Khloé in Wonder Land - Built Different ft. Dana White

Episode Date: April 17, 2025

Khloé is joined by UFC’s Dana White for a powerful conversation about trusting your gut, standing by your people, and learning to tune out the noise. He opens up about family, self-discipline, and why he’s more focused than ever on his own health.Episode Sponsors:This Spring, Fast Growing Trees have the best deals, for your yard, up to half off on select plants and other deals. And listeners to our show get 15% off their first purchase when using the code KHLOE at checkout. That’s an additional 15% off at FastGrowingTrees.com using the code KHLOE at checkout. Now’s the perfect time to plant. Use KHLOE to save today! Offer is valid for a limited time, terms and conditions may apply.Ready to glow from the inside out? Refresh your spring routine with 25% off and free shipping at Cymbiotika.com/KHLOE.Stop putting off those doctors appointments and go to Zocdoc.com/Khloe to find and instantly book a top-rated doctor today.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I flew from Vegas. Oh, f*** yes. I'm going from here to Austin right after this. Yeah. Then from Austin to New York. New York to Abu Dhabi, Abu Dhabi to London and back to Vegas. Oh, I'm exhausted for you. Me too.

Welcome to Chloe and Wonderland. Today's guest is the one and only Dana White, the unapologetic force behind one of the biggest sports empires in the world. Why do you think fighting is so universal? It's just something inside us as human beings. We are fascinated by who the toughest person in the world is. We are all drawn to it. You don't find out who's who and what's what until it hits the fan.

Here comes COVID and you're looking at laying off 38% of the staff. There's no way in hell that I was going to let that happen. You can only be canceled if you allow people that you don't give a **** about to cancel you. Right. You have a core that you care about that are your people. I mean, if they cancel you, that's a whole nother story. Right. And then you should.

Who gives a **** what everybody else thinks? I agree. Thank you for coming all the way from Vegas. Thanks for having me. I'm so excited. My brother is so excited. He was telling me all about your slapboxing and all that kind of stuff. So he's big. I haven't seen your brother in a minute. It's been a long time since I've seen your brother.

Yeah, probably over 10 years. Oh my God. Yeah, my brother loves to be a little elusive. So he is, I call him like the wizard from the Wizard of Oz because he likes to be behind the curtain. We all live in the same gated area. So he lives right next door to me. But he, I, we were working out together and I said, I was going to see you this week. And he was growing out for sure. And telling me all these stats. I'm like, okay, well,

I'm not going to retain all of that, but he's obsessed with you. But I am such a fan of yours, but maybe for different reasons than most of your normal fans. Like, thank you. I am such a fan of I think number one, your loyalty just to people. And this is all from a far I don't know you on a personal level. But I think if anyone pays attention to you or sees clips of you, your loyalty is unmatched and it comes through the screen. Thank you. Something that I read about you is during COVID when everyone

was laying people off, people are losing their jobs left and right that you were like, fuck it, I'm not. Or fuck you. I'm not gonna lay anybody off everyone's gonna keep their jobs and if I hurt read correctly you were gonna take a pay cut in order for everyone to keep theirs. Not a pay cut I was gonna give up my salary and bonus. Got it. If I was wrong and we couldn't go through because I was gonna go through COVID no matter what. And that actually COVID is the, is the perfect example of loyalty and you don't find out who's who and what's what until the shit hits the fan. Right?

We all love each other and we're here that until you hit hard times in any relationship, you don't find out until you hit hard times and sponsors too. I don't even want wanna be with a sponsor that I'm not aligned with in that, you know. In as many ways as possible. Cause I had some sponsors going through COVID that were nightmares. You know, I'm paying us big money,

but absolute nightmares. I wouldn't sign a deal with them again if they tripled the number. Seriously. Um. Damn. But yeah. So, this after we did the Ultimate Fighter, the UFC was this rocket ship of success and you know, we're all working hard and and and doing our thing and we throw these unbelievable Christmas parties every year for the team. Yeah, it's an HR nightmare. I encourage everybody to get drunk and have a blast.

And you know, they're fun. We've had like the red hot chili peppers play at our Christmas parties. Oh shit. Snoop, you name them. Yeah. We've had everybody play and it's a blast. And I get up there every year and tell my team

how much I love them and how much they mean to me and all this stuff. So then here comes COVID and probably the scariest time in our lifetime and you're looking at laying off 38% of the staff, right? Oh, you love us and we're so important to you. And now here's the scariest time that there's no way in hell that I was going to let that happen. No way in hell. We were either going to figure this out or we were going

to all go down together. So, um, yeah, I put up my my salary and my bonus. If I was wrong, and we couldn't make it through COVID, then the company didn't take the hit. Your obvious determination in your way, you know how to build a business. I really admire that, but also your family unity. It reminds me so much of me and my family. Your love and loyalty to your kids and your wife, it's so much how you resemble so much

of my dad to me how he was viciously with his family. And still being able to be a badass businessman, like that's how my dad was. And I don't know if you get enough credit for that. I think people talk about your loyalty a lot It's it's important to me. If you don't have loyalty. What do you have? I mean really what do you have you can't if you can't trust the people you're around and with and and I mean my people at UFC a lot of them, but been with me for You know the girl who's out in the hallway right now my my my head of PR has been with me for, you know, the girl who's out in the hallway right now, my, my, my head of PR has been with me forever. And we're,

we're all tight. These are the people that I work with every day and travel with and, and, and do everything with. And yeah, we're all incredibly loyal to each other. Loyalty is a two way street. So they've been very loyal to me and I've been very loyal to them. It is. And but you still have this presence about you that's like, don't fuck with me. But I'm gonna ride for you if you ride for me. And how do you find that

balance? Or what is that balance? I don't know. It's I think that I think that anything in life like you see a lot of these people that that work for companies. and you give so much of yourself When you work time energy Sacrifice things you miss, you know, everybody has Their things in their life whether it's your kids you miss the first step you miss plays you miss practices You miss games all these things for you know have to make a living, but you're doing it for this company. And you start to feel a sense of loyalty to either the people you work for the place you work for, whatever it is. And when that

loyalty isn't reciprocated, it's a shitty feeling. Like my offices in Vegas, I have this massive closet in there with all my clothes and all my, you know, all your shit that you want, whether you want to change or you work out or you do whatever, have a crazy gym, spy, you know, I do all this, you know, coal plunging and sauna. I've literally the whole setup there. I have the entire setup at my house too, so there's never any excuses on why you can't do it. But you spend most of your time at work. You at least want to love the people that you go to work with every day. Hopefully you care about them in some way shape or form and they feel the same way about you.

I think it shows with the people you have around you. I think especially the longevity, because that's what you were saying, you've had people around you for such a long time. And I don't know if this will make sense, but to me I also think it's because you're from the East Coast. Like, I feel like there is a difference in East Coast men versus West Coast men. I think that, I was married to a New Yorker

and it's just a different vibe and energy. Yeah, I'm lucky because I got the best of both worlds I I Had East Coast and West Coast growing up. So Yeah, I wouldn't change that in a million years. I'm really lucky that I had both. Yeah, I think it's the best I really do your Family unity and like your love for your kids. You have two sons and a daughter, correct? Right. Yeah. How old are your kids? So my boys are 22 and 23 and my daughter's 18. That poor daughter. Yeah, no it's good for her. She's... No, it's great

for her. She's well protected. That's what I mean. It's great for her. But I don't know if I would want to be between 16 to 20 being your kid or having brothers. I'm sure your sons are viciously protective of her. Built-in security. I love it. It's perfect. It couldn't have worked out any better.

I had two boys older than her. My wife had a tubular pregnancy. So her tube burst and her other tube was kinked and they said that she couldn't have any more kids. So we had two boys, we were good, you know. And then we were in Cabo and she didn't feel good and she was feeling sick and ended up, she was pregnant with my daughter.

So yeah. And me and my daughter, super tight. We just flew to, she's going to the University of Miami. So yeah. Oh nice, congratulations. We just went and toured the campus on Monday. And yeah, she's living down in San Diego. She loves it down there.

She, we were on vacation in Italy and she bustsed out with, I wanna move to San Diego and go to Cathedral. Oh, no way. And you just let her go? Well, we looked into it and liked it. It was actually a great move. She ended up doing her last two years of high school there.

She loved the school. She loved the teachers, the kids. It was the right move. My mom's from La Jolla, so familiar with San Diego. I love it down there. It's so nice down there. Really is. I think that's, to me, if you can,

I think that's amazing that she took that step for high school because now she's going to go to another state. But she is close enough to be closer to you than all the way in Florida. So that's still, I'm not, I have a, my daughter will be seven in April and I'm not ready yeah I know you're never ready it's it's weird when the when the house starts to empty out and you lose a certain energy in the house but your boys don't live with you or do they know

the boys are both gone my oldest lives in Boston now. He moved to Boston. He's working for Fanatics. Nice. And he's gonna go to grad school out there. And then my younger son actually is into anime. And he did a comic that's coming out with Dark Horse. Oh that's so cool. Probably the end of this year. That's so cool. Well congratulations on all of them. Thank you. So you're gonna be an empty nester. Yeah, yeah, I'm a couple months away. That's a trip. Yeah, I don't know if I'm gonna like being an empty nester. Yeah, you won't, I can guarantee it.

I won't. You and your whole family live in the same cul-de-sac. You're definitely not gonna like being an empty nester. No, I'll probably shave my head and go nuts or something. Or buy a ton of animals. Or buy the houses next door to you and they'll live there. Well what I think I'm doing now is I'm sort of brainwashing my kids to think this is normal to live next to your mom.

So then when I'm old enough they're just going to think this is what you're supposed to do. Yeah, that's awesome. So a little brainwashing is fine. There's nothing wrong with that. No. And it's awesome that you have a tight family. When you think about the fact that you guys film together, work together, do everything together, and still have such a great relationship, it's amazing. We have our moments that we want to kill

each other, but we always come back. Every family does. Yes. And that's something that our dad really instilled in us. My dad's Armenian, and I really think there's a lot of that culture that's My dad's Armenian and I really think there's a lot of that culture that's just embedded in you. Like, doesn't matter, you figure it out, you never, like the people, they're like, I haven't spoke to my sister in three years. That would never be us. It's just not an option for us.

And then when my dad died, my mom still instilled the same ethics and morals that my dad was building in us. Is your mom Armenian? No. No. But she definitely took on the Armenian culture as much. My grandma made sure of that. Yeah. That's awesome. For your confidence and your loyalty,

where do you think you get that from? I don't know. Yeah, listen, my mom was crazy. We were just sitting there talking about family. My mom was nuts. Uh, and my dad was never around. So I think that that me and my sister grew up fast. You know, we sort of we're home alone a lot because we had a single mom who was a nurse. Um, she worked a lot. She worked a lot. And you know, we grew up in the 80s when, you know, it was a lot different growing up then

than it is now. My parents were obviously much different parents. My kids were never allowed to sleep anywhere, go sleep over anybody's house or any of that, any of that kind of shit. So me and my sister did whatever we wanted to. We, you know, we had to come home and do our chores and that kind of stuff. And then but we were pretty much on our own.

So I think that we grew up a lot faster than than my kids definitely did. Why? So I don't let my kids sleep anywhere. I'm very strict about it. Times are different. So I won't let my daughter or my. I'm very strict about it. Times are different So I won't let my daughter or my son who's two and a half, but they're not allowed to have sleepovers Just because I'm one of those type of I just I think too much. I've watched a date line Yeah, exactly. So I know you don't sugarcoat really anything which is why I love you But what is something that people waste too much time worrying about that? You don't think they should hmm

That's a great question. I love Solving yeah problems. I love coming up with solutions to you're very solution-based. Yeah, that's my whole deal That is very much my mom and I think that quality and people Can't really be learned. I think you're born like that and you just innately have this desire to always figure shit out. Yeah and you have to love to get in the pocket and love stress and it's a very sick weird thing. It's like if everything's going too smooth I sort of have to shake shit up and create more problems. Well, knowing that you're that type of person,

do you think you're ever gonna retire? No. Right. No. I don't think so either. I can't imagine it. I can't imagine my mom retiring either. I think you need that stimulation mentally.

And I also think that once people do retire and your brain isn't working, that's when your body really slows down. That's true. I've heard that. I don't know that for a fact, but I've heard it. And when you talk about retiring and me retiring, I'm taking on more shit every day instead of retiring.

It's like the UFC isn't enough. That's not enough of a job to do. Now I'm doing, like your brother told you, power slap, I got boxing now. Was in boxing meetings all day yesterday. Yeah, so keep piling it on, I love it. Yeah, I think the more the better and it keeps you distracted from life

and just keeps you going. I think people who work more, like if they love to work, if it's healthy for them mentally, that they live longer. Well, you know this too. You've taken your health serious over the last several years. That's a full-time job, Jesus Christ. I mean, you start cold plunging in sauna

and all the other biohacking shit. I mean, it eats up half your day. Half your day, I love biohacking. I do too. Oh my God, the shit that we have access to now. It's incredible. I heard you see Dr. Gary from Florida. Yeah, Gary Brekka.

Yeah. I've met with him a few times. I think when we're in town, he gives us IVs and stuff. I think you guys had him before I ever met him. You guys were working with him. He's really smart. Biohacking, I met with Brian Johnson. Do you know who he is?

Yeah, yeah. Guy spends like two million bucks a year biohacking. But yes, but to pick his brain and see what he does, it's truly his full-time job and it's incredible. That's when it becomes obsessive, you know what I mean? I feel like I'm obsessive right now. He's a whole nother level.

When you're living to try to live longer. Yeah, no, it's not, that's not realistic for my day to day. Me neither. But everyone's different, but it's fascinating what he does and it's just, it's what we have the opportunities to do. It's so true. The knowledge that we have now

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and then you adapted everything? Well no, what I found out is that he could tell you. Got it. How long you could live, then I became obsessed with that. I just wanted to know how long I was gonna live. But then that could be changed. Yes. Okay. Exactly.

He gave me 10.4 years. That's horrible Yeah, yeah, but but definitely on point. I mean I was I was I was a fucking mess. Really? Yeah, I was a mess. I was a mess and Now me and my wife when we think about the 10.4 years were like it was probably earlier than that I mean I had real bad sleep apnea, right? Like I'd wake up choking in the middle of the night and shit like that, and my legs, I could barely put my shoes on.

Oh, that's horrible. Stuff like that, yeah. I was a mess. And you go see doctors and the answer to all the problems is different pills or more pills or, you know, now I'm on no pills. Which isn't doing shit. What is your favorite biohacking treatment? Well, I'm on no pills. Which isn't doing shit. Right. What is your favorite like biohacking treatment?

Well I'm addicted to cold plunging. I mean every morning when I get up, I cold plunge sauna. See you can't do that. I can, that's the one thing I'm such a pussy at the cold plunge. Really. Brad and I talk about that.

Brad will do it. But a lot of people are. I can't do it. A lot of people, it's funny how tough it is for a lot of people. In the beginning when you first start, but then it becomes an absolute addiction. Like, you gotta know somebody that can't start their day without coffee, right?

I can't start my day without cold plunge. The cold plunge. And if I do, I feel like shit. And as soon as I land anywhere, I go right to a cold plunge. Like, I'm flying from here to Austin, I'll have a cold plunge in Austin. Oh, that's amazing. They say it's better for you even then, sauna,

the cold plunge. People are now saying it's the best thing for you. It's just fucking hard to get in that water. It's legit. You really would think I had frostbite. I'm at a point now, no matter where I go, it could be 35 degrees, it could be 50 degrees. It doesn't bother me at all.

Oh my God. I can do any temperature. Fuck. It could be 50 degrees. It doesn't bother me at all. I can do I can do any temperature Yeah, I love it. God you really are a beast. It's amazing. What is an insane behind-the-scenes story with some fighters. Oh Man, I mean there's been some I've been doing this for I've been in the business for 30 years I've been doing this for like 25 years, but there's there's so many crazy stories. I mean this business the behind the scenes is is where all the crazy shit happens and negotiations and interactions with these guys

Fight night backstage, you know when when crazy shit happens fight night backstage, you know, when crazy shit happens. I don't know if there's any one crazy thing that stands out in my mind, other than like the Connor situation in New York when he attacked the bus that Habib and those guys were on, probably the craziest thing that's ever happened, and a couple of Diaz Brothers incidents, which we've, which are all public.

I mean, they fought and then they got to the hospital. They went to the same hospital and they ended up fighting in the hospital, which is probably the craziest story in the history of the sport, let alone the UFC. Do you feel like you are sort of like a godfather slash father to these guys, also a therapist, also not like a babysitter,

but I feel like your position, you play so many fucking roles. That's not just. When the company was younger, yes. When we were building the company, I had these relationships with the guys that would, and girls too. I mean, me and Ronda Rousey,

yeah, it was different then than it is now that it's so much bigger. But the answer was yes. It was very much like that in the early days. Would you ever want your sons to be fighters? My sons or my daughter, if that's what they wanted to do, I always tell, you know, I'm not one of these guys like, oh, I want my kids to be a doctor or a lawyer

or any of this shit, I just want my kids to be happy. And you know better than anybody, whatever gets you up in the morning, whatever makes you happy, it could be pumping gas. I could give a shit. Whatever makes you happy, that's what I want you to do. And if it was fighting, I would absolutely support it. Why do you think fighting is so universal? Why do you think it's like, especially during COVID,

when everything was shut down and you saw what a peak it made and how it's on the up and up, like, why do you think it's such a universal sport that people love to tune in? It's a great question. It's just something inside us as human beings. We get fighting and we like it. And we are fascinated by who the toughest person in the world is. We are all drawn to it. And I mean, if you think of Tyson and his peak,

when that guy would walk into a room, the whole place would go, holy shit, there's Mike Tyson. No other sport has that. You know, you'd be excited. Oh, there's Michael Jordan or whoever. But when one of those guys walk in the room and they're looked at as the baddest human being on the planet, men, women, everybody is just drawn

to it. They are. And what I do notice in other sports is they're sort of fair weather. They will be up someone's ass if someone's winning if they won a championship, but as soon as is their sort of fair weather. They will be up someone's ass if someone's winning, if they won a championship, but as soon as they lose, they boo them, they throw shit at them, and you don't get the same from what I see in fighting. What was fascinating about other sports

is even those other athletes look up to, you know, the Tyson-like guys. You're right. You know? Do you have one that you, because I know you started off in boxing, but do you have one that you prefer more than the other? Sport?

No, no, no. I like all types of fighting. I mean, I'm doing fucking slapping now. I like it all. If somebody's hitting somebody else, I'm in. And that, I read something, I think it was in your Time article, that that has more success at the beginning than It's it's you see most successful thing. I've ever been a part of in such a short amount of time

Is that not fucking crazy crazy? That's crazy. It's crazy And you know, it's incredibly viral So I mean the numbers that this thing pulls on social media is insane That's just people just want to see people slap the shit out of someone Something that I think is really fascinating is your TV show that started in 2005 the ultimate fighter and it's still running. Yeah, and You attribute the success of the UFC Partially because of the reality show? No, 100% because of the reality show.

Oh wow. At the time we couldn't get on television. The UFC now, I try to tell this story, it's hard to explain, but this thing was so, I mean it was illegal in some places. That's how bad it was. Think about this, as a grown adult, you didn't have the right to buy it on pay-per-view.

Porn was on pay-per-view. Wow. The UFC to buy it on pay-per-view. Porn was on pay-per-view. The UFC was not allowed on pay-per-view. And when did that change? After the Ultimate Fighter. Once we got the Ultimate Fighter on Spike TV and it blew up and did massive numbers, then we got back on pay-per-view and that's how the business really got rolling. That's crazy. And the show's still on now. I literally just filmed it yesterday.

Yesterday was the last shooting day. For the 20th, it's the 20th anniversary. Wow. Yeah, 20 years the show's been on. That's crazy, congratulations. Thanks. I don't think people realize how massive that is. Like how successful something has to be TV-wise.

To stay on for 20 years. To stay on for 20 years. Especially now when everyone wants to do a show, everyone will do anything. It's so true. To be in front of that camera. And you have YouTube now and social media and all these disruptors from,

and you know, linear television dying. Did you think by selling that TV show it would have an impact on the UFC? Yeah, we hoped it would. We always felt like if we could get this on free television then the rest of the world would see it for what we saw in it. And we thought it would be very popular.

And I always believed that this would work everywhere all around the world. So when you talk about, I used to have this, when I grew up, there was channel three, channel five, channel eight, and channel 13. Then in high school, cable came, it was like 33 channels, then satellite. But I always believed that there would be a day

where everybody around the world will be able to watch the same channel at the same time, and now that's happening. So I believe that in the next six, seven, 10 years, there will be a channel three, channel five, channel eight, and channel 13 globally. Who's it gonna be? Is it gonna be Amazon, YouTube, Disney?

We'll see how that plays out, but when you think about what I've told you about, fighting, what's the ceiling on this business? Eight billion people, there's eight billion people in the world. And your belief has always been regardless, at the beginning when you were losing money, you never lost focus on what you believed

this company would be. Right. And? Everything in life is about timing. We knew we had the right product, the right people that were involved, was the timing right for it. But not everyone would hold out the way you did. Like you're, I think you're being very humble about your belief and your determination that this, just your confidence in the brand and the company. Well, I literally don't get involved in anything that I don't believe.

Yeah. And you know what I mean? I don't get paid to do shit anymore except work, UFC shit, you know? You couldn't pay me to promote this book or whatever. I wouldn't do it. I'd only get involved in things that I truly believe in and that I'm really passionate about. I love that.

And I think people know that. And I think now so many people are so privy to that people get paid to do half the shit that they it's like they could smell blood they know when it's bullshit true and the more that you water yourself down just the less authentic and believable you're going to be. I agree 100% have you ever been screwed over by like one of your employees or someone that you've trusted and then regretted that that when when They talk about canceling people like getting canceled it's always fascinating to me because Who cancels you like you live in a cul-de-sac with your entire family, right? That's all you give a shit about Yeah, who's gonna cancel you?

That's all you give a shit about. Yeah. Who's gonna cancel you? Some other assholes that you could give a shit about that don't like you are gonna say whatever. I mean, you have a core of people that are in your life. Those are the only people that can cancel you, right? I agree. Who gives a shit what everybody else thinks

or what their opinions are. And it blows over. Like you only get canceled if you allow, when those people are like, okay, and then they go into rehab the next day. Shut the fuck up. You didn't even do something big enough to go to your fake rehab.

That's what that is, is just to pretend like you're being accountable for something you're not even sorry for. That's normally what that is. If you're like, fuck you, and you ignore the internet for two days. So true. That cancellation period is done. And anybody else that doesn't like something you did or said

or how you lived your life or whatever your deal is. Yeah, you can only be canceled if you allow people that you don't give a shit about to cancel you. You have a core or a group of people that you care about that you interact with every day that are your people. I mean, if they cancel you, that's a whole nother story right and then you should who gives a shit what everybody else Agree, so what would you say is the most pivotal moment in your life that changed you for the better? Yeah, there's a couple you know, there's there's there's a couple that stand out in my mind

It's funny this full circle moment happened to me. Have you ever heard of the movie Vision Quest? No. So it was a movie in the 80s with Matthew Modine. It's a wrestling movie. It's like a wrestling Rocky movie. Okay. But it has all these really incredible elements in the movie that completely spoke to me when I was 15 years old. And they just invited me, it's the 40th anniversary. Oh no way. And it was in Spokane, Washington where it was filmed. And I flew there on Sunday. And they had the film, it's like a thousand people there. And I made my sons watch the movie like 400 times

when they were growing up. But my daughter had never seen it. So we flew there, we went to the 40th anniversary thing and Matthew Modine was there and the guy who taught him how to wrestle for the movie. But that movie was a very pivotal moment in my life. And right around that same time, we lived in Vegas,

and there was this asshole who lived behind us, you know, single mom with two little kids, and he used to fuckin' torture us, man, always fuckin' with us and doing stuff. And then one day I was sitting at the kitchen table and I heard somebody yelling, and I realized it was him yelling at my mom. She was out back cleaning the pool.

And I realized it was him yelling over the wall at my mother. And then that day I just snapped. Rightfully so. And I ran out back and I jumped up on the wall and I said, if you ever stick your head over this wall again and da da da da da, I'm gonna beat the shit out of you.

And the guy literally we never heard from him ever again you know a 15 year old kid yeah all the years that he was messing with a single mom and her two little kids that was the day that like you know I don't say that's the day I became a man or any crazy shit like that but everything changed after that day yeah it was weird but that that one moment stands out in my mind and my life when I was growing up. Because I remember thinking, this guy would do so much crazy shit when we were growing up

and we were little. I was just always like, if my dad was here, my dad would beat the shit out of this guy. But yeah. And you wouldn't fuck with us if my dad was here. 100%. Fuck you. 100%.

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I met my wife in eighth grade. Oh my God. to talk about is your love story. I met my wife in eighth grade. I went to a school called St. Vieters in Vegas my eighth grade year and that's where we met. Did you know in eighth grade you were going to marry her? No, no I definitely didn't know that but you know we were friends all through high school. We never dated. We were really good friends. And then I moved back to Boston after we graduated. Lived there for almost 10 years. And then when I came back to Vegas,

she picked me up at the airport and we've been together ever since. I love that. That was 1995. I love that, wow. So what, 30 years? Yeah, almost 30 years, yeah. I went to homeschool, so it took me a second to figure out.

I was like, let me count. That's funny. What type of parenting style do you have, I think I know, but? I'm actually really laid back with a lot of stuff. You are? Yeah. Not so much with my daughter, but with my sons, I'm very laid back.

I believe. They get to do things that she doesn't get to do. I believe, and I think people might hate me for this, but I think there's a double standard, but for the right reasons. 100%. Yeah. I agree with you 100%.

I don't want my daughter to be doing the same things my son's gonna do. I could not agree with you more. Thank you. And you know what, I'm lucky because my daughter doesn't disagree. She's been real easy. She's been awesome, yeah.

I really lucked out with her, so yeah, it's been good. Her and I have a really good relationship. I pray that's what I, I mean, my daughter's amazing. She's my best friend, but I pray we have an easy teenage. How old is she now? She'll be seven. I have time, but I was a terrorist as a teenager, stole cars, snuck out, I did whatever,

I didn't need to, I just was a badass kid, so I'm like, I don't want my karma. I feel like I've had enough bad yeah I feel like I've had bad karma in life for other areas that like I'm good now you know what I was a crazy kid too but I never tell my sons any of those stories or any of that stuff don't tell them don't don't tell them any ideas 100% when I grew up I got had a real job. I started as a teenager working at the ice cream shop

and then it was a clothing store and I had real jobs before this world. And I know you worked as a hotel bellman. Yep, and construction and I did all the shitty, you gotta have all those shitty jobs. And that's the hard part about when you make money, like my younger son Aiden, he didn't wanna go to college. So I said, okay, but you're gonna work.

So he actually had to go out and start putting in applications, he was living out here in California. And I had him going to like In-N-Out Burger. Long story short, he ended up getting a job at U-Haul. And he fucking hated that job, hated that job. But those are the, you have to have that experience. You have to know, it's like dating. You gotta know what a bad experience is

to find out what a good experience is, right? So when you have these shitty jobs, what they really teach you is what you don't wanna do. This is what you don't wanna do. But it's hard. It is hard. So you do encourage your kids to get it. How's the Kardashian gonna go out

and start putting in applications at fucking U-Haul? I tell her now, I'm like, what do you think your job's gonna be when you're a teenager? I like to embed that in her. Are you gonna be a waitress? I don't like, what do you think your job's gonna be when you're a teenager? Like I like to embed that in her. Like, are you gonna be a waitress? I don't know, what do you wanna do? But my mom made my first job when I was, besides the ice cream shop in summer,

I had to clean clothing store bathrooms. And that was because I was too young to be out on the floor, they didn't trust me. And like cleaning someone's toilets, I was like, why is my mom making me do this? But now I thank my mom every day. I'm like, thank fucking God she made me do that. No, it's true.

You have to have that. And that's what I was saying too with me and my sister. When we were growing up, like we were my mom's slaves. We used to have to do the, you know, we did our own laundry, we cleaned the house. I used to have to, I swear to God, I'd be mowing the lawn and I'm like when I grow up I'm gonna make enough money. So I never have to mow another fucking lawn again in my life and I hated I hated mowing the lawn. I had to fucking trim the bushes and

All that shit. I was a landscaper and I swear to God, I said, I'm never doing this when I get older. I'm this is never going to happen, but these are the kind of experiences you have to have when you're younger. And it's, and it's, it's, uh, it's definitely what freaked me out too. And raising kids. I was like, my kids can never grow up the way I grew up. I grew up under way different circumstances than, uh circumstances than my kids did. And it's just impossible for your kids to have the same experiences.

But it's even impossible in ways like we were dropped off at the mall or the movie theaters. Like, they can't even do those things alone anymore. So their experiences are limited in even social interactions now. You left the house and went out and played all day and didn't come back till the street lights came on. That shit just doesn't exist anymore. My brother and I were saying, do you remember how we would play in like a water reservoir?

But we loved it. Riding our bikes down the main streets and like it's incredible that so many kids from the eighties are still alive. I know. It's insane. Dana, thank you so much for coming all the way from Vegas. I mean, your schedule is crazy.

You would love my sister Kim because she flies just as much as you do. I bet she does. Yeah, I know you guys are fucking animals, man. I respect how hard you guys work. And people don't get it. You'll always have people talking shit, bunch of do nothing, know nothing people that talk shit.

Having cameras in your faces growing up the way you did all the time. It's it's it's it's a nightmare That's it. You know I I do this much with our reality show that we do You guys are a whole nother level and and People don't realize how hard you guys work. Thank you. Congrats on all your success. Thank you. Yeah, you started 2005, we started 2006, seven. Yeah, so right around the time. But it's in your personal space, in your house, and in your cars, and in your personal life. Tough, not easy.

It's a lot, but somehow we just get closer and closer. It's awesome. Yeah, well thank you. Congrats. Thank you.