Khloé in Wonder Land - Khloé Gets Real About Parenting, Co-Parenting, and Mom Guilt

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

In this solo episode, Khloé gets real about what it’s like raising two kids, juggling it all, and the truth about co-parenting. She opens up about the hard parts, the healing, and everything in between—with honesty, heart, and no filter.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I would say one of my top requests that I get to talk about is parenting. I think we all are searching for advice in the parenting world. So I'm really excited to get into today's episode. I do think being a mom is the hardest but the best job in the world. People that always say, how do you do it? Or how can somebody have so many kids. Like you always find a way and people figure it out. For people who are scared, we're all scared. Mom guilt is definitely real. You can't understand it until you're a mom. Like I can't be at everyone's activities all

the time and they're good at making you feel bad too. Mom guilt is so wild. Balancing being a co-parent-er emotionally, it is hard. Sometimes I do get defensive internally and I have to remind myself, I have to allow for Tristan to be the dad too. And I try. And I try.

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world. So I'm really excited to get into today's episode. I feel like everyone, at least I know little girls, they fantasize about their life when they get older, like, I'm gonna have five kids and yada, yada, yada. And I think you have this fantasy for yourself of what your adult life is gonna be. I definitely thought I was gonna have more than two kids. And once you have kids, it's just different.

That's when you realize, okay, number one, it's incredibly hard, so much harder than I think we ever realize what our parents go through on a daily. But it's so scary. And I don't know if it's the times that we're living in and how much access we have to so much information. I feel like we are bombarded with more negativity than positivity. So for me, I have my two kids. I feel like that's how much I can protect right now. If I have more, of course, I would be able to do that. But I feel like this is what I'm able to do right now. But when you're younger, you don't think about all those things. I don't think about, okay, eventually my kids

are gonna have to be left alone in this world and survive on their own. You just don't think about real grownup shit when you're a kid. So I think a lot of us have these fantasies and they change the older we get. Actual motherhood, I think is the most incredible thing. And people who decide to not have children,

I also praise those people because I think society sort of makes you believe that if you don't have children, then your life is less than or it's not a fulfilling life. And I think everyone should have the freedom to do what they want. And I also have one or two friends that have chosen to not have children. And I'm really proud of them for making that choice

because not that they wouldn't be great mothers, but they know, they just know where they are in life and it's the best thing for them. And I honestly think it would be the best thing for those children and some people make those decisions and we should be proud of those people as opposed to shaming those people. I do think being a mom is the hardest but best job in the world. For people that always say how do you do it or how can somebody have so many kids like you always find a way and people figure it out.

And for me, I love every single day. And regardless, if you are the most exhausted person, if you feel like you're at the end of your rope, when you are around those children and you know that these little humans are relying on you and they do something that might be really silly or anything, it definitely gives you that resurgence of energy. So for people who are scared, we're all scared.

And I know one, at least I've never met anyone that's like, okay, like I'm ready to have a baby. You might think that like I remember when I was with my ex-husband, I wanted a baby so badly and we tried and we tried and it didn't work out for me in that time. And probably though, even though I was trying and intentionally trying to have a baby, probably if I got pregnant, I would be terrified the second I got pregnant because it's scary. Your life is changing and it's a different world.

It's something that's unknown. So I think that anyone who has fears being pregnant or having a baby, I think all those fears are valid and we all feel them. I get asked a lot about my co-parenting relationship. I get asked a lot, how is it? How do we co-parent? Is it drama? So for Tristan and myself, there's really no drama when it comes we co-parent? Is it drama? So for Tristan and myself,

there's really no drama when it comes to co-parenting. There's drama in other areas of our relationship, friendship, whatever it's called. Him and I are seamless co-parents. I will say that, and I'm really grateful for that. Tristan trusts me as a mom, and so I don't get a lot of pushback or he doesn't doubt a lot of things that I say.

Like if I'm saying I want the kids to go to this school, he'll probably wanna do his own research or whatnot, but he'll trust that I'm putting them in the best school. If I need to take them to a certain doctor, he's not like, well, let me take them to my doctor or let me call around. He trusts that I'm, I always have their best interest at heart.

He just knows that I'm not gonna do anything to harm the kids. And he doesn't make that part difficult on me. So I'm very grateful for that. Do I talk to my kids about co-parenting? I don't talk to my kids about co-parenting. So I try to keep adult conversations for adults. If me and Tristan are fighting, if we're not getting along any of that,

my kids don't know about it. They don't need to know about it. I think us adults really complicate things because we put our own feelings and egos in the way. My kids have nothing to do with anything adult. They have nothing to do with Tristan and myself. All they need to know is mommy and daddy love them. Daddy shows up, mommy shows up, and we're here.

It is a different circumstance because Tristan plays in the NBA. And since True's been born, he's played out of state for her whole life and Tatum's whole life. So they know that their dad isn't around. I want to say eight to nine months out of the year because he's in the NBA season. So they see him when he plays in L.A. team or if it works with school breaks, they go to see him. But then he's around all summer.

They're just used to that. So it's not weird if they're not seeing their dad for long stretches of time, but they talk to him every single day. But no, I haven't sat down and be like, you know, me and your dad, we co-parent you too. They just know that this is our lifestyle. And I do think Tristan being in the NBA, because we were together at first, now we're not, that's probably the best thing that made our co-parenting so easy for them. They didn't notice a change. Like, oh my, now my daddy's gone a lot more.

They didn't notice that because of his career, they just knew he was gone a lot. And the communication from FaceTime never changed. Do the kids ever ask why they don't live with their dad? No, they've never asked. I don't know if that's weird or not, but they sort of think it's cool. Like not that they don't live with their dad, but they think it's cool. Like, oh my gosh, we have two houses in LA.

Like they're like, wow, my daddy has a house and my mommy has a house. They've never asked, Tatum is gonna be three at the end of July, so he doesn't know. And True has never been, when me and Tristan were living together, she was so young. So her memory, just she wouldn't remember that we did live together at one point.

So I don't know, but they haven't. So True just turned seven in April and maybe like two years ago, True would say something like your husband or whatever. And I was like, who's my husband? And she was like my daddy. And I was like, OK. I just didn't know what her thought process was because from where she would have the memory of it, she's never seen us kiss before anything like that. And I didn't want to say, no, he's not.

I didn't know what to do. So I asked my therapist and she said, oh, she's so young. This is how they associate things. If it gets to be a problem, we'll talk about it. But right now she'll figure it out or ask more questions. When she's ready, she'll ask questions, but she never asked questions then. So I wasn't going to be like, just so you know, me and your dad are not together. I didn't feel the need.

And the therapist also said, there's no need to say that if she brings it up again, we can talk about it. And if she has questions, of course I would never lie to her and say, we're married and this is what marriage looks like. No, I was sad for a minute thinking, oh gosh, does she think this is what a marriage is where two people don't live together? They don't kiss. They don't show affection.

Like I didn't want her to also think that. But again, she's so young and he doesn't live in the same state and all that. So it wasn't, it just wasn't a big topic because he was in and out of town all the time. She's now seven and I don't know if someone else has told her or she's just like figured it out that she's a little older, but she knows that we're not married She's just like figured it out that she's a little older, but she knows that we're not married because she has said things. She's like, you and my daddy didn't get married, did you?

And I was like, no, we didn't. Like she's asked, but it's never, it's just been the most casual statement. It's never been like, why? Why didn't you guys get married? She just said, you didn't marry my daddy, did you? I said, I didn't. And I go, how do you feel about that?

She was and just starts playing with her Barbies again. So kids are way more resilient than we do give them credit for. But also, I don't think it's as big as a deal because she knows there's no love loss like in our household. There is no fighting. Tristan comes around as much as he always came around. So I just don't think they feel this big void because I don't allow them to feel that. I don't believe I don't believe in having kids

involved in any adult stuff. I don't want to strip away their innocence, take away their childhood. They had nothing to do with any of this stuff so I don't wanna strip away their innocence, take away their childhood. They had nothing to do with any of this stuff. So I don't believe in that kind of stuff. When he is in town, are you doing like family activities together for the kids? Like birthday dinners, Disneyland, those types of things? So I do whatever really the kids want. If for example, today,

True has her very first tennis lesson. So I invited Tristan because she said I would love my daddy to be there. I invite him. I don't have a problem. Like me and Tristan actually get along super well. I don't have a problem being around him. We just had taco Tuesday with like kid version taco Tuesday and I invited Tristan and one of our mutual friends to come, and the kids love it. So I will definitely have Tristan around, but for kid related things. He's not just around to hang out with me. You know, sometimes I still want like my mommy daughter time

or my mommy son time, but if it's something big where I think it's appropriate, then totally. Tristan lives very close to me. The kids are like, I just wanna go to my daddy's house and have dinner. Great. So I will send them down there and they do that. Tristan knows that I don't play about the kids and he doesn't play about the kids. Like he knows don't bring any nonsense. Like there's no fighting, there's no nothing. And we both just really respect one another when it comes to the children. But I will say for people out there who are like, how can you make this work?

If it wasn't for me, I don't think it would be this easy. Like I make this co-parenting relationship really easy. If I wanted to torture Tristan is what I'm saying. I could, but what does that do for my kids? I torture him privately. So many adults can have the same relationship, but there's a lot of women who are spiteful, or men too, but that are like,

you cheated on me, so did it like, and they'll drag this out, where of course I could do the same thing, but what does that do? It was December, I think like four years ago, I just found out Tristan was having another baby that wasn't my baby. And my surrogate was pregnant. True, it was maybe four, I think. That was the first week of December. Christmas is coming. I remember because True was like, I want it. I want my daddy here. I want my daddy. It was her first Christmas that if I decided to keep Tristan away, he wouldn't be there for her

and she's old enough that she knows things and all of that. I was like, okay, let me breathe this through. And I let Tristan come over Christmas morning to open presents with True. Do you think that was easy for me? Do you think I wanted to do that for myself? Absolutely not. I did it for True. I was a big girl. I kept all my feelings aside. I was probably boiling on the inside

or wanting to wring his neck, but I didn't. He flew in town and forget what team he played for, had Christmas morning with her and flew back out of town. And I was able to control my emotions for the hour or 90 minutes that he was there for my daughter, not for me. So in the worst of times, you can still control yourself if you have control over your emotions for your children. Tristan and I haven't had the conversation like when you are serious with a girl, this is what you do with my kids. I think it's just understood. No one's going to be around my kids until like we Tristan and I need to have the talk. I would need to meet the girl or at least

I would have to know he's serious with her. I don't want my kids around just a bunch of random girls just the same way I wouldn't bring a guy that I'm newly dating around my kids. My kids have never met. Well, I'm not dating anyone, but you know, if I was, my kids would not meet that person. I am so insane about it. I just don't trust people. I don't believe in that. So I think Tristan knows and True will tell me everything. So everyone knows to not play that game with me.

What I think is so interesting, just about, I don't know why this is so interesting to me, but like Tristan because he is gone so much of the year, and Tatum now that he's going to be three, like he's so much more of a real person and has this amazing personality and just what he's drawn to. He's so tall and he's drawn to sports and all these things.

When Tristan came back from season this year, how excited Tatum was to see his dad. And I was like, that's so cute because he hasn't seen him since January when Tristan came here to play one of the LA teams. So that's a big time. That's six months. And for a little kid, that's two and a half to remember. I don't know. I know it's his father and he talks to him on FaceTime. I just thought it was so cute how excited he was to see his dad and how boys are just wired. Like he loves

to go to Tristan's practices and the basketball is just, it's so silly to me how boys are wired, but it really is. I will say that balancing being a co-parent or emotionally, it is hard. And I imagine it's hard if I had a husband, I think there is that emotional balance that you have to deal with. For me, I have my days, like there are days that are like little things like which Tristan's not wrong, but he's like, don't you think those shorts are too short on her? And I'm like, like you want to almost be like, yeah, she's my kid, but it's our kid.

But you just want to like have that ownership. But I'm like, yes, they're short, but we're just hanging out at the house pool. Like, cause I will send pictures to him or whatever. You still wanna let your co-parent or be the parent as much as they want to. And you also have to give them grace, yourself grace. Sometimes I have to take a breath and be like, it's okay.

He's doing what's right. Yes, the shorts are short, but we're at home lounging, so let me explain the context of these photos. So sometimes I do get defensive internally and I have to remind myself, no this is good, and that is an emotional battle I have between myself. Like, I can't be like no this this is my kid. I have to allow for Tristan to be the dad too. Mom guilt is definitely real and I never understood it. You can't understand it until you're a mom. You're like God leave the kid go see the movie to the movies and the kid's not not gonna notice. I think I get the most mom guilt. I sort of get it all the time. Like I wanna be so hands-on, I wanna do everything. I wanna be there for every activity

and it's not possible all the time. Like I can't work the way I do, have two kids and be at everyone's activities all the time. And they're good at making you feel bad too. When they know they could pull on your heartstrings, they know how to do that. If you know you're doing the best that you can, then just know that it's also a good feeling

because that means that they love you and they want you around. And I know how present I am as a mom. So I know that it's not real what they're like. If they're like, oh, I want you to have dinner with me. Like I have dinner with you every night. Like the other night I had to go to my mom's and she wanted me to have dinner with her and my grandma.

I have dinner with my kids 99% of the time. And I was like, sure, I'm gonna go to Lovey's. My mom lives right next door to me and I'll come back to put you to bed. And she's like, you never have dinner with me. You never have dinner with me. So then I was like, I'm not even gonna let you fuck with me right now

because I know I have dinner with you all the time. They just know what to say to try to get you to stay. So some mom guilt is real. Some I'm like, girl, please. And then Tatum follows and starts whining just because she's whining, it's a whole thing. I mean, for me, I think the things that I do for myself, so I still feel like a mom, like, yes,

I know I talk about fitness a lot, but like I like to look a certain way. Like I like my body to be a certain way. Those things make me feel still just strong and powerful and like, okay, I had this hour for myself and that really, I also just feel healthy. I do it so I can, literally I do it because I wanna play with my kids,

like get on the ground, jump on a trampoline with them. I wanna do all those things as long as I can and not be like, because it is real when you're 40, you're like, oh, my back hurts. Like you might sleep one day and I don't know how you threw your back out, just by sleeping. That's what happens when you're over 40.

And I wanna do things that make me feel strong. I also wanna set good examples for my kids. There are times that I'm like, okay, I need to have a night with my girls. And it could be every blue moon, but sometimes you need to do that. I feel like even me working and me being busy, I take quick trips.

I had to go to Germany and Italy for a day for something for my fragrance. And when they were younger, my kids, I would have said no, because I have so much anxiety about leaving them. But I'm like, you know what? This is so exciting for me.

Doing my own fragrance was something that I've thought about for a while, but something happened in my thirties where I lost so much of myself and I really pushed myself when I turned 40 to do new things. And so now that I have these new opportunities and things like my fragrance, I am going to take advantage. I've never been to Germany. How fucking cool. I get to jump on a plane, go to Germany and not just go to Germany, go to Germany for

a fragrance of my own. Like for me, all those things are like, yes, yes, yes. My kids, I'm gonna be right back, but those things I still need where it gives me that umph and like that sense of accomplishment and like, oh, holy shit, I'm in Germany for my fragrance. Like it's just crazy and something that I never dreamed would happen, so to have those opportunities,

I can't keep saying no. And yes, they're work related. So it makes me feel less guilty, but it's also pinch me moments all at the same time. So when I travel, or even if I have like a shoot, we've done a few photo shoots that are in California, but it will be a two day shoot. And my contract is like, they can have me for like 15 hours and the next day the same. So literally, I will go home, sleep for like 15 hours and the next day the same. So literally I will go home, sleep for a few hours and I have to go back. So I don't see my kids for those two

days. I do have nannies that will help me when I'm doing stuff like this. And also people that talk shit about nannies, we all have help in some capacity. You can call it daycare. You can call it a school. You can call it in-laws, your mother, sister, whoever. A babysitter, for some reason the term babysitter people find way less offensive than a nanny. I don't know why. We're all blessed and it takes a village to raise a family. I do not understand the shame that people give to other people for having people help them with their kids. There is no shame in that. And whoever it is, a grandparent, a niece, a sister,

whoever, thank God we have these villages that can help one another. With that being said, I'm a control freak. I micromanage. I just feel like if I don't do it, it doesn't get done. I'm insane. So before I go on a trip, because I'm used to making, I make true lunches. She has to have two snacks every day and da da da. I know how she likes things done. So for school, I pre do the lunches for the length of my trip, the snacks for the length of my trip the snacks for the length of my trip

I label everything Tuesday Wednesday, they're like whatever I Check the weather. I feel like people don't check the weather So I check the weather every day to do her uniforms does this one a legging days as a bike short day Does this require this sweater and for Tatum? It's different because he's not in school So I read him bedtime books every day and I know the bedtime books he likes. And so, you know, we leave those out and it's just specific, but you know, I still like doing the voices and all that kind of stuff.

But I also think about, okay, now when Tatum goes to school next year, I'm gonna have to do this for two kids. Like, oh, it's a lot. Will everyone know how to do this if I don't do it? Yes. And I know that because when I got COVID for 15 days, somehow everything survived. I still, knowing that I like can't, I still think I need to do it.

But I do know if push comes to shove, it will happen and the kids survive and everything gets done. But going on these trips, it's also not like, okay, bye, I'm gone and I'm free of responsibilities. The amount of work it takes me to prepare for these trips, more for my kids, not for myself. I don't know if other moms are like, is this normal that we do this to ourselves? I do want to talk about my relationship or the examples I had. I think one reason,

one reason why Tristan and I co-parent so well is what I believe is the example that was given to me from my dad, my stepdad and my mom. The very beginning when they first divorced, my mom admits this herself. There was their cooling off period. So I am not saying that my mom and my dad got along perfectly from the very beginning. I just don't remember it being that bad. I think my older sisters remember more attention, I don't. But what I remember is my dad and my stepdad, years after their divorce, they started having golf once a week

and they would play golf once a week. My dad would come over to my mom's once a week for family dinner, have dinner with all of us, with Bruce, my mom, my dad, all the kids, Kettle and Kylie, they refer to my dad as Uncle Rob or Uncle Robert. So that was just the norm. As an adult now, like for us, we're like, this is my dad,

these are my little sister's uncle. And then if someone was like, oh, is that your, like how? Like, oh no, that's my mom's ex-husband. Like it's crazy when you think about it. As a kid, you don't know all those dynamics and how strange that is, or how hard that probably is for my dad to see my mom married to somebody else, having babies with somebody

else. And now as an adult, you're like, damn, that had to be really hard. But what a great example for us all. What a great dad I had that he put his feelings aside just to be around us. There's photos of my dad holding my little sisters and seeing that it makes my heart so happy and so full because I know my dad loves my little sisters. And to know that it's the best thing ever. And for me to have that as my example, I just always knew as much as I could control it, I was going to do the best thing I could to co-parent As much as I could control it, I was gonna do the best thing I could to co-parent the same way. And so I'm proud of myself that I have been doing such a good job co-parenting.

And I'm proud of all three of my parents for doing the job that they did and set of the examples that they did for me and my siblings. What traditions did I do with my dad that we still do today and with my kids? So we, and we've seen it on some of our shows, but my dad, every night at dinner, we did the peek in the pit where you go around the table, each person says the peek in the pit of their day, and I do that with all the kids.

I am like the hub for the kids. They all come to my house. And they pretty much have dinner at my house almost every night. And so we all go around, we do the peek in the pit and it's great. There could be something really silly. It could be something that leads to bigger conversations.

And I think it's a great way to talk to your kids and hear the highs and lows of their day. And I love that it keeps that tradition going that I had with my dad. I also love that my dad's presence is so strong around my family. My dad has never met any of his grandchildren. He's been gone 21 years.

He died when I was 19. And for him to be gone longer than I've known him for and for his presence to be so strong in all of the kids' lives and for them to know him, know what he looks like, know stories about him, how silly he is, all that stuff, I'm really proud that we've been able to keep his memory alive as long as we have.

Things I've learned from my mom. Honestly, I feel like everything that I do as a mom, I sort of emulate from my mom. My mom was, is, and will always be the best mom. We had the best childhood. If it's, I don't know, the smallest holiday like Flag Day. She's gonna make Flag Day the most amazing Flag Day possible. And I just love how much she celebrates life from like

themed little napkins to you know she'll have cookie cutter fruit like takes the cookie cutter and makes fruit into different shapes, silly things that I do all of that stuff and more. I remember as kids, we always had pool parties that my mom was always throwing. I try to do that for my kids and just be the house that everyone wants to be at. My mom makes everything incredible, very over the top,

but that's very much my mom. I just love that everything is based in love. And it is interesting, because now that we all have our own kids, we still don't do our own holidays. We still all come together to celebrate the holidays. We'll have, for example, Christmas. We'll have time for our own households to celebrate,

to do like the presents, but then we'll all meet at my mom's for Christmas brunch and we celebrate together. So we're always together, but we will have times to make our own traditions within our family, but what's better than having one big ass family? That's the best. So something that gets me a lot of heat sometimes is when I talk about my pregnancy versus surrogacy journey.

I also wish that I heard more people talk about surrogacy. I feel like I knew a lot about surrogacy, but never more like the technicalities of it. I don't feel like I knew a lot about the emotional aspect once the baby was born and I'm only here to talk about my journey because that's all I can reference from. I do have a few different friends that did surrogacy and they feel the exact same way so I feel less alone in that because for a while I was like, I'm using my platform and of course it's not, I'm not giving any misinformation because this is

my information is coming from me, but I just want to make sure that I'm letting people feel seen and that they're not alone. And I do hope that other people feel the complete other way with true. She was my first baby. I was always told I couldn't get pregnant. I get pregnant. I had such a great pregnancy. I loved it. And when you are growing yourself and growing a human, it's you really feel this journey with you. And you feel like you're on every step of the way. And it's just a different feeling. And then I also think True and I,

I don't know if True would be involved in this, but I definitely trauma bonded with True when she came into the world, because just a few days before I found out this affair Tristan was having, yeah, I just feel like I trauma bonded with her. She saved me. because just a few days before I found out this affair Tristan was having, yeah I just feel like I trauma bonded with her. She saved me. She got me out of this really dark place. It was a very... there were so many layers. There's so many

layers to both of my pregnancies, but there was so many layers to mine and True's connection there. Then I have my surrogate. My surrogate gets pregnant. I did my embryo transfer. The first week of December I find out Tristan is having another baby with somebody else and we didn't even know if the embryo took. Well you find out in two weeks. And then of course the following week, I find out the embryo took and I did not know how to process any of this. And I definitely admit that I buried my head in the sand

and I also wanted to protect my surrogate. This was a huge media story and I didn't want to do anything to jeopardize my surrogate's privacy for her and her children. She has children. She is a husband and also to protect my baby that she's growing and nourishing and I didn't want to add any of this onto her. So I wasn't with her as much. Like I wasn't going to the doctor's appointments because I was being followed everywhere. There was a lot. I had to do a lot of things remotely. So it wasn't this connection that I had with true. And then I remember when I got Tatum for the first time and I hugged him, he still wasn't the

same feeling that I had to compare with true. Because I was being so honest on Kardashians, I got a lot of heat for this. But all I'm doing is saying my truth. Tatum is now three years old. He is truly the best thing that's ever happened to me. And I cannot imagine my life without him. He reminds me of my dad and my brother every single day. He is so funny.

And in a way that only my dad and my brother have this humor. And to be such a little human, I don't know how he has the jokes he has or the sarcasm or facial expressions at such a young age. It's just not, to me, I don't know kids that act like that so young. So I have to believe that there's pieces of my dad in him

and how my home is so complete because of Tatum, it's like something I could never explain. So yes, me being honest about my surrogacy journey, me being honest about I didnrogacy journey, me being honest about, I didn't feel connected to Tatum until probably nine to 10 months after he was alive. When I rationalize everything, I wasn't connected to True the second I found out I was pregnant. I was never a mom that was like, I didn't name her until I met her. But if I wasn't like, oh, the baby this, the baby that,

I was very matter of fact, like, no, I'm hungry. I got to sleep. I worked every day. I worked out every day. Like me being pregnant was not a disability. It wasn't, I just moved on. I was very matter of fact about it. So true, I didn't feel anything when she was in my tummy.

Like I wasn't feel anything when she was in my tummy. Like I wasn't one of those. I feel like Courtney gets very attached. I don't know. I was much more just blank about it. And then when I met her, I fell in love with her instantly. And I feel like with Tatum, it took the length of someone that would be pregnant. And then when I was around the nine or 10 month mark,

I was like, okay, we're vibing. I wanted to be really honest about that because I also think that people should hear all sides of surrogacy. I think it's an incredible opportunity that we have for women who can't get pregnant for any reason. And I feel so blessed that we do have that option. I just wanted to tell my truth. And there are so blessed that we do have that option. I just wanted to tell my truth.

And there are some people that were so grateful for that. And then there's also a lot of people that tell this day, years later, they hold it over my head that I was honest. And I find that crazy. But Tatum is the best. True is the best sister. Tatum is obsessed with her. And I love my little family.

I love seeing them together. And I just know Tatum completed my household. Thank you guys so much for listening and watching with me. Hopefully I could help or let some of you guys feel seen on this parenting journey. I mean, parenting is scary, it's messy, it's fun, it's amazing, it's all those things but we all need a support system and hopefully I was able to provide a little support and understanding for you guys and if you guys have any more questions I still have tons I didn't get to maybe we'll do a part two but keep sending

them on in and yes I'll see you guys next time.