Khloé in Wonder Land - Khloé & Kris Jenner: A Krismas Special

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

Kris Jenner is back in Khloé in Wonder Land for the ultimate Krismas special. From the iconic Kardashian Christmas Eve party to the gift-giving chaos, Kris breaks down the holiday traditions that made their family who they are (and why she’s actually Mrs. Claus). They talk the kind of family moments that make you laugh and tear up at the same time. Cozy, hilarious, and so heart warming.Episode Sponsors:We’ve worked out a special offer for my audience! Receive 30% off your first subscription order. Go to https://www.armra.com/KHLOE or enter KHLOE to get 30% off your first subscription order.If you guys are trying to find that perfect festive outfit without all the usual hassle, you have to check out Google's Try On feature at https://www.g.co/shop/tryon. Trust me, your holiday season just got a whole lot more glam and a whole lot merrier!You can find Barilla Al Bronzo pasta in the red bag at select retailers nationwide. Click here to find a store near you: https://click2cart.com/153800gv  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Mom, when I think of Christmas, I think of you. Christmas is our thing. Our World Cup. How far in advance do you start buying gifts? June or July, I could make a mean bow. We have a Christmas Eve party. Has anyone ever hooked up at one of these parties? Excuse me?

You know? Have you? My mom would always make me help her. You made me go in the attic and wrap all these gifts. You locked me up there. Oh, my God. Thank you for doing that. You're welcome.

A mother gets really desperate around the holiday. I need to sit here at the bar and have a martini. That's the story? Yeah. That the bartender got you a drink? Now there's a couple hundred to 300 people at a Christmas party. Well, you also invite the most random people. Oh, the nurse that gave me an IV 12 years ago.

I remember her, Wanda. I feel like I have a relationship with my ornaments. Hi, you little cutie. Oh, man. Okay. Are you done with me now? When you have a moment of quiet, what do you do? At Christmas time?

Remember, I was asking you evergreen questions and you keep going back to Christmas. No, I don't remember. I'm old. Oh, okay. Just work with me. Well, the face is young. Okay. You know well.

Yeah. Mom, welcome back to Chloe in Wonderland. I am so excited to be back. I look forward to this all week. Oh, just all week. Yeah. Well, you know, for months, but specifically this week. Well, I'm so excited because, number one, you are one of the best guests I had on. Really? Yes. Everyone loves you. Oh, my God. But you know that. You are the fucking Chris Jenner. Well, I think that the fact that we both bought every inch of plaid in Los Angeles for this interview makes us very special today.

Well, we're wearing plaid because we're doing the holiday edition of Chloe and Wonderland because you are Mrs. Claus. Thank you. And this is your jacket. I love that. That you let me borrow. Soler-a-rom. It is.

Because I don't really own plaid. But you know where to get it when you need it. Right. Right. Next door. Festive. That's right. Really, really hard-hitting question.

Okay. Who is my favorite? No. Okay, good. Are you on the naughty or nice list? Um, the naughty or the nice list. Well, if somebody's not a little bit naughty, they're pretty boring. Oh. So I like a little mix. Some days I'm naughty. Talk to me. Some days I'm nice. Okay. So it depends on when you catch me. But usually, you know, after five o'clock, I can be a little naughty. Oh, fuck. Yeah. You don't even know what that means. I don't either. But it sounds good. So I feel like when I think of Christmas. Yeah. I think of you. Like, you. Oh. You are Christmas. You are the holidays. Any holiday. I've always said since I've been younger, literally it could be like President's Day. And every morning that was a significant thing. You were like, happy President's Day. And like there would be a napkin and something cute in our lunchbox. And that's something that I definitely copy and paste from you. You do. And I love it. Yeah. I love that you do that because it means that I, everything that I did, you appreciate.

Even at your young age, you didn't think, you know, you didn't think about it, but that it would be a memory for you. Makes me so happy. I remember all of our Christmas Eve parties, but not necessarily one over the other. It's just the tradition and the consistency of them that's so safe and nostalgic and comforting. And I think it's so important that you've created those safe spaces for us, even if they're just a holiday. Something like Valentine's Day, we would lean all the way in and now we do like like the heart-shaped cookies or it can be so silly, but what that does for those core memories at home, how that makes you feel and the safety of it, I love it. And of course I want to emulate that and mirror that in my life. Isn't that crazy? You want me to tell you a really crazy story. Obviously. So once when I was a little girl and I was going home on a Saturday, I had a play date with my friend. And the next day was Easter. And I remember driving up this really, we were living in San Diego driving up a really steep hill next to a school like it was yesterday. The dad was driving us home. And in those days, you know, there weren't a bunch of naughty people around or

nasty adults. And it was so cute because the dad, the little girl said, can, can Chris come over and spend the night? He goes, sure. And so we went home to her house. We found her mom. She made us dinner. And we took baths together. We put on our pajamas and we watched a movie. movie or something. And this dad, because the next day was Easter, he went out and duplicated whatever he was giving, they were giving to their family and they had these eggs with everyone's name on them in chocolate, like I then copied 30 years later and did for my family. But something like that made such an impression on me, I will never forget it. I wish I could think of her name. I wish I could think of his name. It didn't even matter because it was the gesture, the moment,

the memory, what it meant to me to be at somebody else's house on a holiday. And I was so, I've never been away on a holiday. How old were you, do you think? Probably nine or ten. Wow. So that kind of thing always made me want to do things if I ever had kids. I was going to have six kids and we were going to have Christmas and Santa was going to come. We were all going to sit around by the fireplace and drink hot chocolate and have mugs and stockings with our names on them. It was just going to be magic. And so the very first Christmas I got to do by myself, because my mom and my grandmother always did that for all of us. And then the very first Christmas I was married in 1978, I did it for your dad and I. It was just the two of us. And then the next Christmas, three of us. And it just kept growing because basically for a whole decade, you know, I was pregnant. So it was just adding the stockings with the names, adding more toys under the Christmas tree. And it made every, it made every Christmas that much more. just joyful and exciting all of those things that you have done for us we all try to do for our kids and even for each other like it's we get such great joy out of it and the kids obviously do too

but they don't realize just how special it is until you get older and then you try to recreate it and i think it's so wonderful what you've instilled in us and i know we just celebrated our annual Halloween pumpkin party which i'm so happy that you do that. It makes me so happy when you sent that little invite, it took me back. What do you remember about our Halloweens when you were little? I don't. Remember anything about Halloween? Stop it. But Halloween is the least important holiday to me. So I don't know. Don't you remember the party when? I don't remember one thing Halloween. The fire department showed up and they brought their Dalmatian and I had you guys all dress like Dalmatians. No, that's so cute. Why was the fire department there? Because it was cute. I said can you come and bring your

Dalmatian dog and bring out the ladder and on Halloween and we had a whole what was it called 101 Dalmatian party and I thought that would just be a cute extra little thing to do and then we had the um the coffee carts and the I mean we and the petting zoo and you don't remember all those Halloween since you remember at Tower Lane when I put the hay in the garage took everything out of the garage and put hay on the floor I thought that was really cool I think and then did the little tables for all the kids. No, that's actually so cute. And got big plastic pumpkins. I mean, listen, I did really well with what we had to deal with. It wasn't like now where all these, like, this was in the 70s or 80s, early 80s. And we would do these little parties. One time I had a

Ghostbuster party and we, Ghostbuster music blasting through the house and we had Ghostbuster T-shirts made. And everybody thought that was so cool and your dad was wearing a Ghostbuster T-shirt. I love that. You don't remember all that? I'm saying, first of all, was born in 84. Did you knock yourself upside your little head? Yes. What is happening? Point is. I'm so appreciative of all of the holiday traditions that you've instilled. For all of us, though, we all love it. Even Rob, who's a guy who you would think like probably doesn't care, the way he creates his home for a dream. And Christmas, though, Christmas is our World Cup. It really is. And we start the day after Halloween. My Christmas music will go on. November 1st.

November 1st. I cannot stand Halloween of it all. Really? Your son is obsessed with me. And the Halloween people. But Halloween, yes. And it's so creepy. And with those faceless dolls, I'm like, mom, you're killing me.

What holiday tradition are you most proud of that you've given to us? I'm so happy that you guys have embraced the Christmas Eve party. That's what I was thinking. Because the Christmas Eve party gets us all so excited and happy. And then the next morning is so fabulous and gigantic and magical that we get so excited because we know the next morning we're all going to be together. So for people that don't know, every year we have a traditional Christmas Eve party that, we've done since before I've been born. My mom's been hosting them since the 70s. And my mom has always hosted them. Yeah. And then once her kids got older, she sort of handed the baton off when

you felt comfortable that we would. I know that was hard. Represent you properly. And we've all done a good job. It used to rotate siblings' homes on who was going to host it. For a minute, because it's a really big undertaking. And I think that it really takes a lot of energy time, resources, money, creativity, just all of it. And then it's, we used to do before there was all of these social media platforms and much easier to do digital photos. We'd have a whole photo shoot with the whole family than we'd wear our Christmas outfits and do these beautiful photo shoots and they would get bigger and bigger and bigger, you know, the more kids everybody had. And those made me so happy once that was, the Christmas card. The Christmas card photos. But it made me

so anxious. I would get so stressed out when you guys were little. We don't do the Christmas cards. Not anymore. Because it's, I know. But that was like that I did that for 20-something years because I did it when you guys were babies. But it was so stressful. It was her bows crooked. Her you know, it was like trying to get four little kids. It was like hurting cats. Like you guys were all over the place. And you were all little. So it was really fun to do that. But then also to have the Christmas Eve party to look forward to. We knew Santa was coming. And we have the same group of people that are, that I love so much that are, that, you know, tell you kids that they're silly and Willie, the two elves that are at every party since you were born. They stay, they were there last year too.

No. I wasn't there last year. Thanks for noticing. They're the two men who help the kids with the crafts and when you call them silly and Willie out of the blue. Well, those are their names. They're elves. Okay. Yeah.

They're Santa's elves. And so anyway, these parties are so epic. And they've grown into this, you know, enormous proportion and everybody looks forward to it every year. Our friends who don't, you know, never celebrated Christmas, love to come. And it's so much fun. And we always dance at the end of the party. We always have a DJ, usually a performance, which is so exciting. Last time I think we had a party, it was Babyface and did all of his beautiful Christmas music.

And then we had a DJ. and we just have the best time. And then we get up the next morning and we used to get up at 6 a.m. and make sure everybody was there at 6. Nobody's late. And now you guys, instead of coming to mom's house and opening, you know, all the stuff from Santa,

you guys have now decided to have a little bit of that Christmas Santa morning at your own homes, which I think is a really good idea. Yes. It really establishes your own tradition. And then we all come. come to my house a little bit later. And we have breakfast and coffee and all the kids hang out and that's our meeting place Christmas Day. Right. And then. And more presents. So the kids get another

round, which is really fun for me. Yes. Because it makes me feel like, you know, people my age, they're always complaining about, oh, they've left the nest. I have an empty nest. I'm so sad. Nobody comes to me. Nobody calls me. You know, for me, I have to put my phone on silence just to get a little We live next door to each other. I know. But it's so fun to still have the memories and the excitement of preparing it all. I think the tradition isn't just that we do it and it's done and look how beautiful it is. But it's the emotional connection that I have to Christmas that I love the process of like all the little things I do.

Like when I make my paté for my mom or when I can make the brownies or the cheesecake. And I know that's going to be right before Christmas Eve. So whoever's having Christmas Eve at their house, you know, is going to get a delivery of my special desserts. You tried to not give me one last year. I know, but I did. But I did. Really rude. I did.

Can you describe Christmas for me from your childhood? You know, Christmas was as exciting for me as a little girl. And my mom would always go to my aunt's house for Christmas Eve. I would go to my grandmother's house. Her name was Avalon. Avalon and Jimmy. Mom, you're making all this up. No, I'm not.

See what you learned? A aunt named Avalon? Yes. Since when? Who's sister? Papa Harry, his brother Jimmy, Uncle Jimmy, his wife. So she would have this really grown-up fabulous cocktail party on Christmas Eve. Okay.

But that's where all the cool people were. Obviously. Right? So you'd go in and you're dressed up. I have the greatest photo of me and my. sister and my mom in our black velvet dresses with big white collars and black lace tights and little Mary Jane's. I can tell you what I wore every year. Wow. Okay. But anyway, we would go to my grandmother, Mary Lee, and Trues, my grandparents on my dad's side. And we would go at like

five o'clock for Christmas Eve. And that's where I have the tradition of honey baked ham and all the fixings. And then she would do the onion dip and the chips and the, you know, all the things we still do, I got from Mary Lee. So we go there, celebrate with Auntie Linda and Uncle Gaston and all my cousins. I know. It's wild. So your grandma's name is Mary Lou. And she had a sister named Mary Lee. My grandmother's name is Lou. Lou Ethel. Of course it is. Okay. Yeah. Very grandma. Uh-huh. And my other grandmother was Mary Lee. Yeah, Mary Lee and True. And that's why you named your daughter true after Grandpa True. So we would go to their house for Christmas Eve. Okay. And you came there when you were a little girl. Don't remember. Yeah, you did. Is that why

where you get your love of Christmas from, do you think? Oh, absolutely. I just, I think, I think it's a combination of obviously the traditions of how I was raised and my love of the holiday. I, you know, was very aware that we were celebrating the birth of Jesus. So it made me so happy to hear the Christmas story and how Jesus was born in a manger. And that just like kind of was bigger than life in my head. I was just, this is the greatest thing that's ever happened to the earth. You know, I was just so in awe of the story and what it meant. And so I was always, always had that as like the focal point in my heart and I can't explain it actually it was so overwhelming to me as I would be driving to my grandma. Is MJ Christian? Yes, she is. She's also, I think she was,

she's, she couldn't be Catholic. I don't know. I'll have to ask her. I can never get a straight answer. Okay, okay, stay tuned. Life moves fast, but at the table, I really try to slow down. You guys no food is such a big love language in my family. It's not just about eating. It's about sitting together, talking, laughing, and actually being present. And honestly, that's why I love pasta nights. They're always my favorite. Lately, I've been obsessed with Barilla Albronzo pasta. And yes, that's Barilla Albronzo. It's made in Italy and created with sauce lovers in mind. The texture is so. good and it clings to every single drop of flavor, which is everything for me. So there's this Italian concept called Scarpetta, which basically means soaking up every last bit of sauce.

And that speaks straight to my soul. Because if I made the effort to cook and we're all sitting together at the table, you better believe we're savoring every single bite. To me, that's not just food. That's connection. My go-to right now is actually my mom's bolognese. You guys know Chris has been making this sauce forever. And when you pair it with Borilla Albronzo pasta, it is unreal. The pasta holds onto the sauce so perfectly. Every bite just hits, and that's the beauty of it. Whether you're in the mood for something rich and cozy or something lighter and veggie forward, it just wants to works. So next time you're cooking, don't rush it. Make it a moment. Sit, talk, laugh, soak up the sauce, soak up the time together. You can find Borilla Albronzo pasta in the red bag at Select

Retailers Nationwide. You can click on the link in the description to find a store near you. What would you say as a kid? What's the most memorable gift you got? It doesn't even have to be big, Is there something sentimental or if it is, like, as a child? Yeah. Well, okay. So my mom was as extravagant and fabulous in her day, you know, as I think that we all are and ours. And one of her love languages is gift giving.

And she would do everything she could to make sure her and my grandmother to make sure that we had exactly what was on our Christmas list. So whether it was a bicycle or a sewing machine or, you know, these fabulous things we would get, I remember one year I got a little pink TV for my room. And I mean, we would be so, they were so generous and so it was so exciting, you know, and Santa was really good to us. But the one thing that we would do is my mom would leave, like during Christmas vacation. She would leave for work every morning, like at nine o'clock because she had to open. the store at 10. And my sister and I would go under the tree and open every single gift. What? I know. We'd open all the gifts. That's horrible. I know. It's terrible. Oh, and what? Put them back together? I would, I am the best gift unwrapper that, like, undercover. Like, you would never know the gift was open. That's horrible. I got really good at it. That's horrible. And I learned how to gift wrap so well when I was 12 years old at my grandmother's

store or 10 years old that I was really good at putting the gifts back together because I could make a mean bow. So anyway, we would unwrap. And so one of the gifts that I got that I'll never forget, it was big back in those days to have themed sheets, you know, like for the bed. And I had a twin bed. And my mom knew I wanted these sheets so bad. And I don't remember what they were. They were probably like the Flintstones or I don't know. But I wanted these sheets so bad. And don't know why I wanted sheets, but that's what I wanted for Christmas. And she got him for me. And I remember unwrapping the gift. And there they were. And I thought, what if I just put them on my bed? Would she notice? But I thought, no, no, no. I'll put them back. Oh, like you

cheated and saw before you were supposed to. No, I opened all the gifts and then wrapped them back up. Yeah, that's demented. And put them back under the tree. So when on Christmas morning, I had to act surprised. Why would you do that? I don't know. I just, I don't know. I was naughty. Speaking about rapping, there was a year.

My mom would always make me help her with things, which is fine. And my mom, because Kendall and Kylie were little, you made me go in the attic and wrap all these gifts. And you locked me up there. And you shut the ladder. So sorry. No, you don't even hear at the end of the story. And you said, enough. No, you said, you are not allowed to come down until they're all wrapped. You would not lower the fucking thing because I couldn't open it from the inside. Oh, my God. And I literally was in that attic wrapping gifts like a little elf. And then I literally, I think I knocked three times. And that was the sign that I was done. And you had then lowered the ladder. Oh, my God. Thank you for doing that. You're welcome. I really appreciate it.

True story. A mother gets really desperate. around the holidays. Oh, wait until it's Easter, and I have to tell the Easter egg story how you made me stuff all those. People are always very fascinated with Christmas Eve, and I get so many questions. Like, how do we pick whose house it's going to be at? How do we pick the theme? Who pays for it? Yada, yada, all those things. You don't have to go into like crazy detail. But how does the location of the party get chosen? Well, the party was always at my house. So literally the first one was 1978 and there was very few people and family, you know, very small family. And then it just grew and grew and grew. And you also invite the most random people. You won't see these people.

And then it's like, oh, the nurse that gave me an IV 12 years ago. I remember her, Wanda. Let's get Wanda an invite. And then you're like, oh, the CVS pharmacy person. And we're like, Mom, we need to filter the list. Okay. I get it. I've been. scolded many times over that. But we get the party together. And I was always the one giving the party. So I was just, you know, so happy and things went along swimmingly. But then when you guys got older and you grew up and you guys all had your own friends and all of a sudden there was a hundred more people, now there's a couple hundred to three hundred people at a Christmas party. I thought, okay, this has got to start rotating. I thought it was so much more fun. And

And then every time one of you took the reins and did it yourself. I won't take the reins. I don't want the reins. I don't want that many people in my home. And this year, I was very proud of you for saving me because they were like, Kim's house is under construction. So is Courtney's house. I don't know what's going on with Kylie's, why that wasn't an option. I don't even know what happened.

And then you were like, let's put it at Kendall's. So happy because everyone was like, Chloe's house, do you think I want? people in my home? No. No. No. I don't want the party. You'd have to spray everybody down with a sanitizing machine. Exactly. I know. It would be horrible. Horrible. So, but anyway, yeah. So the minute that you guys all had your own homes and wanted to do that, one of the most beautiful times was when Courtney did it at her house with all the red trees and roses. That was beautiful. That was so stunning. So for me. And my dress was gorgeous. Yes, it was. But it's so exciting to see how you guys interpret your own Christmas Eve and how we can all enjoy each other every year. But we will include

each other on the theme. We love a Pinterest board. We all have. Love a good meeting. Love a meeting. We'll have the freedom to join the Mindy Weiss meetings. Not everyone shows up and that's fine. But if you don't show up, you don't get a say so. Like, then you can't come to the third meeting and be like, oh, I don't like that. Nope. We've already had two meetings before. We've decided on X, Y, and Z. Right. And we all equally split the cost of the party. Yeah. Yeah. Because it gets. It's. It's. It's a It's a family. Really crazy. And it's, well, that's, well, that's.

I think one of the most fun things, too, is to be able to share things with our friends. And so we've always been able to do some really amazing gifts for everybody at the end of the party. And if we're working on something or like we had Kim's beats and skims and we could do popcorn this year and 818. And I mean, it's just been really fun. I love the party favors. You love a shameless club. I love a good party favor. You love a plug.

That's what I love. Cloud forever. Do you know what you're going to wear this year? Are we doing Christmas Eve this year? What is wrong with you? Of course we are. It's just a lot. Well, it'll be small. Okay. Okay. But we're going to do it. And yes, I have something to wear. Of course I do. Already. You're sick. I knew you would. Yes. I actually have that and my Thanksgiving dress all ready to go. Haven't thought about either. Well, I actually have two inspoes for Christmas. I do. You do? I screenshot. I would have to make them, but I screenshot. Well, I'm all done. It's already. to go hanging there. I'm so excited. I know you take such pride in your ornaments. Love my Christopher Radcoe. Yes. Do you like repeating your holiday decorations year after year? Do you like to do a different theme every year? Well, I am kind of steeped in tradition. Like I feel like I have a relationship with my ornaments. I really do. I bring them out and I'll say, hi, you little cutie. It's like,

there you are again. I get so excited. So my whole life, all through the 80s, I was collecting these Christmas ornaments called Christopher Radco. And if, I mean, I would get one. Like, that was a big deal. Like, if I got a new Christopher Radcoe ornament, he made a Chris Jenner ornament. I know. This is like my dream come true. Wow. That 30, 40 years later, this angel of a man who now has a company called Heartfully Yours because he sold his business with his name on it, but now started over again. He made Chris Jenner ornaments. I have Christianer ornaments designed and made by Christopher Radcoe himself. And, okay, so I went to a friend's house. You have to listen to this story. I'm right here. So I went to a friend's house once and she had also a love of

Christopher Ratko. And I saw the most glorious thing I had ever seen, which was a garland over her mantle that was about this thick and wide and just sweeping and dripping and draping and draping and puddling. And it was just, ah! And it was so good. And it was the whole thing was decked out solid Christopher Radcoe ornaments. Fuck yes. And I was like, I couldn't even believe my eyes. And then had a very similar. That was just, you couldn't even see the greenery because there were so many gorgeous ornaments. And these ornaments are like, they're just so heavenly. They're beautiful. They're intricate. They're hand-painted. It's just they're gorgeous. Rividing. So all these years later, I go down to Rogers Garden. Yes. A couple years ago. And I walk in and they had a Christopher

Radcoe room. And I was like, what? And I said, have you ever thought about making anybody, like if I asked you to custom make me and create a Christopher Radco and heartfully yours big wreath, could you do that? And the guy goes, you know what? Years ago, we made somebody a garland and a wreath and they lived blah, blah, blah, blah. And I went, you've got to be kidding. I couldn't believe that it had come full circle. And when you're a Christmas lover like me, That was like one of the greatest days. Christmas. Get it?

K-R-I-S. Christmas. So I had them make me a wreath. And then the relationship grew. And before I knew it, Jeff Latham, our florist, introduced me to Christopher Ratko. And we called him up. And he goes, I'd love to do a tree for you. So now this relationship has blossomed and turned in to stop laughing.

at me. I mean, this is the longest story of all time. I have these fabulous Christopher. I don't know if anyone cares. Yeah, they do. I have the most beautiful Christopher Radco Tree you've ever seen. I love that for you. Can we talk about blowies? Excuse me? Can we talk about blowies? Is this X-rated show? We could talk about anything. Oh, okay. Has anyone ever hooked up at one of these parties? I don't know. Why wouldn't you know? Hooked up? Had sex given a blowie? I don't know under the table, you know. Chloe. Have they? Have you? I haven't. I don't think so. I'm really trying to think because I'm always, my goal on Christmas Eve is to be incoherently drunk. I know. And it normally happens. It hasn't happened the last few years. Badding a thousand. Congratulations. Well, it hasn't happened the last few years, which sucks for me. Anyways, I've had great wild times. But what happened to the one where one of your people ended up having

sex with the waiter that Cece walked in on? What? Oh my God. This is crazy. This turned in, this went from Christmas Eve to. You're trying to tell me, you've never like snuck away with one of your husbands or someone you've dated at these parties. In the middle of a Christmas Eve? party with Santa there? No. Oh, okay. Just checking. No. Is that what you do at parties, you kids, these days? Not me these days. Wow. Wow. But I would. Like it's... No wonder the bathrooms are so beautiful that we get at the parties. Oh my gosh. Mindy puts together. Yeah, that's why. Is that your hair? What? Is this your hair? Some of it. My hair's short. Oh, looks really good. Okay. Anyways. Thank you so much to Google Shopping for sponsoring this episode. It is officially that time of year. Holiday party season. And listen, I love getting dressed up. I really do. But being real with you, finding the perfect outfit for every single event can be a lot. Especially when you come from a family of fashion girls. My sisters, my mom, everyone has a look. And you always want to find a perfect outfit for every single event can be a lot. Especially when you come from a family of fashion girls. My sisters, my mom, everyone has a look. And you always want to be a lot. And you always want to be a lot. Especially when you always want to be

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Oh. Everybody gets so busy. We like to cook. Yes. We like to cook. And like cheesecakes and stuff. I do that with you. I remember the good old days when we used to go shopping or go to Toys R Us.

Well, those stores don't exist anymore. I know. That's what I mean. It's so sad. Where do you go and buy toys these days? That's always my biggest thing. Target, Walmart. Yeah.

And they're great. They are. Yeah. Costco. Costco's great. We have to do another Costco run. Oh, we have to. They have the best shit. Ooh, you're good at this. How far in advance do you start buying people gifts? Oh, June or July. Yes. And I know you do. Are you done? Almost. It's sick. Kim's the same way, though. Kim is like, done, done, done. And she can do it like two years in advance, which is crazy. How did you feel? Did you respect this fight? Were you like, you guys are fucking not. when Kim and Courtney went to war over exterior Christmas lights. Like, war. Nuts. So you weren't like, oh, that's my girls.

They care that much about Christmas. No, no, no, no. We don't need to be arguing about Christmas lights. There's enough Christmas lights to go around for everybody. No matter. Who's going to drive from one neighborhood to the other and go, they have the same lights? Well, I get that. No.

So that was a bit too. Or territorial. I have the white light. You can't have that. You need to have the yellow hue. Like, whenever they get very territorial, that's crazy. I'm like, no. I'm just like sitting over there going, who's going what is happening. Oh, I know. And my mom and I have a tradition. We like, for Christmas, we go to two stores every year. One is called Roger's Garden. Oh, Roger's Garden. That's one. But it's far. But we do go there. And then the other one is called Aldix. Oh. All dicks for blowjobs. No, but it really is called all dicks. Yeah, but it's not all dicks. It's just all dicks. All dicks. How are you saying it differently than me? Because you pause. You go all dicks. No, all dicks. And it's just all dicks. All dicks. All dicks. All dicks. Both of them are great Christmas stores. I know. And I wish I knew of others, but those two are, you could get anything you want there. I love those too. Oh, it's so much fun. It really is. But who names their store all Dicks? Seriously. Dick did. Don't you think it's ridiculous, the gift giving that we do, though? No. We are really nuts. We are out of our minds. If anybody saw what goes on at my house on Christmas morning, they would lose their minds. But you know what? We all work hard. We all love each other so much. We love to surprise each other.

with the most outrageous things. And I can tell you and remember every single thing that we've ever done for each other over the years. And it just makes me so happy and it's so much fun. And we have a lot of love for each other. But it makes us so happy to surprise each other. And I think, listen, I think it's extravagant and it's decadent and it's over the top. And it's outrageous.

And it's fabulous, all of it. But I think, you know, you have to remember, and I like to remind people that get critical because I'm sure people, you know, rolling their eyes going, oh, well, nobody can do stuff like that. But we all do so much that nobody would ever even know about at Christmas time for others and less fortunate. But we do that all year round. So I really feel very joyful when I'm able to do something for others that are less fortunate and don't have, you know, some of the things, they don't have the family, they don't have the food, they don't have the, the celebrations, you know, and all the decorations and the getting into the spirit of Christmas.

You are the house, even on Christmas morning. Yes, we let us have our family time. But if there's someone who lives in L.A. that doesn't have family, they all come over for breakfast. Like it is, I do love that. If one of your kids didn't show up Christmas morning, morning. Would you feel a sort of way? You would. Really sad. Yeah. That would make me, it would change my energy for sure. It would change my day. I mean, obviously, it depends on the reason why, but they would still be sorely missed. It would be so sad for me because I'm so used to having you guys all there. And then I get you and all the kids and I get your significant others or, You know, what my mom, C.C., you know, everybody, it just, it's always been such a huge, big deal for all of us. And we just hang out all day. And yeah, I love it. So much. How do you feel now being a grandmother and the kids keep multiplying? Do you feel the pressures of Christmas? Do you love seeing all that chaos with that many more people? Just like making a mess and like screaming because there's the fighting or getting into Kansas.

or because they're just kids. No, I love it. You love it. You love the noise. I love it. I would miss it so much if it was quiet and it was just me sitting there with a cup of coffee. I would be very sad. Yeah. I love having you guys all there. We love being there. I love it so much. Are you sad that the Christmas card tradition doesn't happen anymore? I am. Or you're happy that one thing is gone. I've done it for so many years, literally since Courtney was a year old, so 45 years. Where's the one photo with you, Courtney, and my dad? It's in the... I've never seen. Photo album. I still have photo albums up until 2012. I'm one of probably the only person who still was, you know, pasting photos in books until 2012. And then I just gave up because it was such a digital environment. And now everything is, everything is digitized.

No, you guys, my mom is psychotic. Every month, she takes every photo of the month, right? That's in your camera roll and you have Matthew Ryan, print him out. At first I edit it down. So like if you take six photos, then you pick what you want to keep on your phone. And then we print it out at a place that I've been using since the 90s that I trust. And they print out one copy of each photo and we put it in. in a archival box that will save it and put it in storage.

This is every fucking month. Well, what if... That's amazing, but it, no, it's amazing. What if it all disappears one day? Listen, I'm not mad. I'm envious. I just don't have the energy or a storage facility. I have like...

Or Matthew. Right. No, Matthew, that poor guy is like... I know. He's the best. Don't know how he's still around, but we count our blessings. God bless. Him for putting up with me.

So I take a lot of pride in my faith. I take a lot of pride in how I was raised with the foundation of faith. Where does faith come into play with you, but also specifically around Christmas? Well, Faith, I was brought up going to church on Sundays. And then I was christened when I was a baby. And then I went to church. I went to a Presbyterian church. And I went to a class at my church after school a couple days a week.

And then we had like a, it was, you know how Catholic, the Catholic religion has like a catechism and they go through a whole thing and they graduate. I had something like that, but I have my Bible that was given to me when I was like eight years old that I still have in my drawer from the teacher. And I just remember the going to that ceremony. and getting dressed up for that and feeling so proud of myself that I completed the little course. And I think that's when it was really instilled

and then at Christmas time it was so beautiful because it was being in the choir and singing Christmas carols. You were in the choir? Well, I don't think it was an actual choir. It was the students that had to line up on the row of benches and sing the Christmas carols.

So in my mind, I was in a choir. Okay. But it was the class. And we were singing all these. beautiful songs and sort of like at, you know, in the school auditorium and that was part of the church and they had an auditorium and a beautiful ceremony at the holidays. And then it grew into me taking you guys to church and Bible study and everything through the years. And Christmas always made everything so much more special. And that's when you would have these celebrations and

recitals and you know have little programs and I don't I think that's probably what I miss the most about those times in Christmas as far as kids were all the things that the school and the church used to do to celebrate the holidays and having the kids perform I thought was always so cute let's ask a few evergreen questions oh okay when was the last time you've given a blowy oh um I don't remember okay that wasn't really well that wasn't really well it wasn't really on there. I just wanted to see what you would do. I felt like I had to spruce you up a bit. Okay. How much screen time do you think you spend on your phone every week? Do you know? Do you have that? I do. I can't look at it when it comes up. Why would you even have it on? I don't want to know. I don't want to know. So I don't look when it comes up. But I don't even you turn it off. What I started to do was really try at night and to just put it away. I can't look at it anymore because I flip mine over on the bedside table. Yeah.

Because I have to leave my phone on at night because I have six kids and 13 grandchildren. Wow. And I'm the responsible one who's kind of running the show. Well, you would have. It's not like I can just put my phone away. Well, how you sent security to barge in to me this morning to ask a question about Kim's purse? I don't want them coming upstairs and wrestling me out of bed. Well, do you have a house phone?

I have a house phone for that reason. I have a lot of house phone. You give everyone the house phone and you say, if there's an emergency. The house phones are turned off. Who's calling you? Like 1,800 wrapping paper. I don't know. Okay.

What are you mindlessly scrolling on? Like, what's the app that you're on the most? Because I have a lot of DMs from you. Okay. So my, what I get the most enjoyment out of and what's really interesting to me, is architecture, design, cooking. Okay. So, and then I get the random, look at this cute toy, because my phone knows I have 13

grandchildren, apparently. So I'm always buying the most random gadgets. What app? Well, it's not an app. I'm on Instagram. Oh, so that's the app. So, well, yeah, but then it takes you to Reels and then you, fuck, you go over to. But the app.

His Instagram. Okay, smarty pants. Reels is on Instagram. Instagram. So are you a TikToker? Um, I like TikTok when you guys somehow talk me into doing one. Not like are you posting. No, I don't go on TikTok. You don't scroll on TikTok. Okay. I scroll on Instagram. And I'm really like I get like right now, everything's about a Ralph Lauren Christmas. Mom, that's my Christmas theme this year. Stop. That's what I want it to be. Oh, it's trending, babe. It is trending. That's why we're wearing plaid. No, my paper. Plad this year. Stop. Isn't Kim's? Yeah. So you guys are having dueling plaids. That's right. You can, I promise you she's going to be pissed. I was trying to keep this evergreen, but we'll go back to Christmas really quickly. We also traditionally each household, so like Courtney, Kim, Rob, we each have our own and they have to be different. Yeah. themed or colored Christmas wrapping paper. And then we make, we're sick. We make piles at my mom's house.

that's where we spend our Christmas morning. So let's just say my household's gifts would be a forest green. Yours could be plaid, whatever. And then we know where our stacks are because they're identifiable from the... Right. Well, there's, okay. So at my house on Christmas morning, if you were ever just to randomly show up, you would see these beautiful Christmas trees that I have all over the place.

But also here and there, these beautiful stacks of gorgeously wrapped gifts and Chloe. and Chloe's one pattern. If it's not me shoved in the attic. There's a combo. Karen and Orr, my two angels, my elves that come and help me. They're great. Like I, you know, I'm kind of. Let's not.

I'm the creative director. Let's just be, this is an honest show. I wrap gifts. No, me. I'm a great gift rapper. You used to be. Okay, you know what? You know what?

You're not getting those fingernails. I don't have long fingernails. Yeah, but look at that perfectly polished. We just got him done yesterday. You're not, trust me. Okay, listen. And so did you understand what Kim did last year with the wrapping? One of my most special times of the year is when all the gifts start to arrive from all the different family members.

So Robert will have his dropped off. Courtney will have hers dropped off. Chloe's comes over. And Matthew gets a call. You know, Kim wants to drop the gifts off today. And I'm going, oh, goody. And I get to see Kim's paper. and, you know, usually the person who's dropping off the gifts, either their team comes with the

presence or they come and, you know, check it out and see how that they're all positioned. Well, Kim had a new assistant last year. Somebody knew, and she wanted to come with the gifts and make sure they were all placed perfectly. And so I said, oh, great. So I stepped out of the room for a while and all of the sudden I look at my phone for something and Kim is in literally, literally, going live on Instagram with all of our presence showing everyone's gift wrap. She just has to expose it. Because she had to be the first to announce and show the gift wrap from the family. Well, first of all, it's part of the surprise of everybody to come in and like we get so excited to see the different laughing. What you were upset about is my mom last year had the most legendary wrapping paper for each one of us. I did. And each kid, she had this. artist, Rachel, hands sketched Christmas specific wrapping. So it was, if it was my gift, it was me wearing a Santa's costume. They were so cute. It would be Rob wearing a Santa hat.

They were so well done. They were really beautiful. And that was the surprise. And Kim exposed it to the world. But just showed everybody's gift wrap. And I was just like, OK-dokey. When you have a moment of quiet, what do you do? At Christmas time? Remember, I was asking you evergreen questions, and you keep going back to Christmas. No, I don't remember. I'm old. Just work with me. Well, the face is young.

Okay. And well. Yeah. So, number one, do we like a Ralph Lauren themed Christmas? We love a, there's nothing. I just had to. First of all, there's nothing better than walking into the Ralph Lauren story in New York City and going to the polo bar. But not even on Christmas.

No. Like just in general. Did I tell you what happened to me in New York? Okay. So the president was in town. So the streets were blocked. Yes. Okay. So the streets were blocked a little bit. And I was supposed to meet Gail at the polo bar. Gail. King. So I go to the polo bar, but it's really hard to get to. So basically, I had to walk two blocks. Then Gail King were really dropping names. So I have to walk two blocks. God forbid. And so we walk to the polo bar. Yes. And I walk inside empty. I've never. seen it empty. It's usually 18 people thick at the bar. And people trying to get in and sit and there's commotion and people's coats are flying and scarves

are wrapping and it's crazy. And so I walk in dead silence, nobody there, two fabulous bartenders behind the bar the people that work there are just standing there waiting to wait on somebody. And I go, oh my God. And the woman is so lovely. She goes, can I take you

down to your table? And I go, oh, are you kidding me? Absolutely not. I need to sit here at the bar and have a martini and enjoy this moment. And all of a sudden, the waiters bring me these snacks, like these little chips and these little nuts that are hot and warm and olives in my martini and the martini and the shaker and it's shaken. And oh, it was glorious.

And that was one of my favorite moments in New York a couple weeks ago when I was there. That's the story? Yeah. That the bartender got you a drink? No. In a bar. Do you know the last time I was by myself in a bar in New York? I think I was 20 years old and I was working for American Airlines.

I don't just randomly go into bars and sit there by myself and have vodka. You know what I mean? You're missing out. It was really a moment. When you have a moment of quiet, what do you do? Do you know what that is? Well, I used to. A moment of quiet.

Or do you not have a moment of quiet? I don't really have many. But, okay, so the things, if I'm home, I would, the things that I do to create moments would be going for a walk or working out and things like that to have some me time. Mom, you're on the phone, screaming on a walk and you have security tailing you. Got it. That's not alone. Right. Okay, so it'd probably take a bath.

My mom, we live in a gated area. My mom's convinced we're still getting kidnapped. And she has security following her in a car in case someone's going to snatch her. And it's truly psychotic, but to each their own. It's okay. Yeah, it's totally okay. Thank you. You're welcome.

I wish you still cooked. I know, me too. Why don't you cook anymore? Well, I cooked, okay, so last week. Okay, let's not make up stories, though. Okay, Chloe. Last week, I made spaghetti bolognese and garlic toast and a salad. It takes five minutes.

Four-year-old could make that. I just said. Okay, sorry. I'm not judging you. No, that's great. And so, let's see, Sunday night I made steaks. Oh my God, enough of this. And sweet potatoes.

Your nose is growing. Mom, I can't. I can't be a part of lying. I just can't. No, no, no. For me and Rob and Corey. Are we? Mom.

No, we're not lying on. No. No, no, no, no. We're not lying like this. No. Call your brother right now and ask him, I'm not going to say a word. Just ask him what he had for dinner on Sunday. night that I made. Why don't you ask him if you're going to call me a liar, then you've got to

back it up with some facts, babe. Just call them and I can't text him. Does anybody see my hands? Okay, I'm not texting anybody to say, Rob. What'd you have for dinner on Sunday? I don't know. Sunday, probably steak. Where'd you get steak from? I think mom brought it. Where'd she bring it from? she made it her house did you watch her make it or she but i know it's her steak was my mistakes she always makes okay i deserve an apology okay i'm sorry i just didn't think mom cooked anymore she always makes me a steak sweet potato and veggies and her salad for the fact that i wouldn't be included one you don't eat meat but you can i could have a salad and a baked potato

I asked you, do you want a salad? And you know what you said? I'm good, babe. Wow. Somebody has to get into the Christmas spirit around here because you are. These are evergreen questions. Stop bringing it back to Christmas. You're a scrooge. Okay. I love you, Bob. Okay. Well, I really apologize that I called you a cooking liar. You're good to know what you're doing. You're like chef shaming me. And I'm a really good chef. You're a great chef. I'm trying to get you to cook more because it's so good. The funny thing about me is I enjoy the cooking experience, but I equally enjoy the gadgets I have in my kitchen and the pots that I cook in and bacon and my trips to William Sonoma are epic. Epic. And those are part of my Christmas experience too. I know it's not about Christmas. It's evergreen. What is your favorite place you've ever vacationed to with your family? Oh, with my family. Well, some of my best memories are ski trips when you guys were little. I love Italy. My happy place is the desert. Yes. We love it there. Yeah.

So I love it there. And I love, I mean, I love trips, but at the end of the day, I just love being home. Through such a tantrum one time. And she was like, we need to go to Bali. We need to go to Bali. We are filming. She had, this is when we were filming Keeping Up, and she has production scout this trip and yada, yada.

And we go to Bali. Who does not come to Bali with us? Chris Jenner. I know. But sends all of the kids. And you were like, it's not a good time for me to travel right now. You need more trips with us. I know. We have fun. When we went to India, Kim and I, it was such a fast trip. I think we were there for 48 hours and it was really hard. And then we had to go to Italy after that. But we were saying that's the trip. You should have pushed yourself to do. Because it was once in a life. time experience. It was like the craziest fucking thing. I do regret that. How do you decide what's actually worth your time and energy these days? I'm trying to learn how to say, not only to say no, but kind of decide what is the important stuff to push myself to do. And I've made so many mistakes lately. Like I've said no, thinking that I don't think I could do that. I don't think I could get there. And then after the ship is sailed, I think I could have done that. So I have to make better decisions. No, but you are the queen of FOMO. You can't handle if you're missing something. I can't. No, you can't. But you own it. Yeah. Oh, totally. I go crazy. There's no FOMO

for me. Really? If I say no, I'm not thinking about it again. I was invited to a party. Oh, man. This party. About a month ago. Yeah. And I did. I did. I did. I do. I'm not. I did. I was invited to a party. I didn't go. And I really wanted to go. But it was hard because I was flying home from New York. And then I had like 12 hours to turn it around and go back again. And I couldn't stay in New York. Why? Because I had a meeting here I couldn't miss for Kendall. She said, please don't miss the meeting. And somebody was flying in to meet us. Got it. So it couldn't be missed. But that I just didn't see how I could turn it around like that physically. I just like I thought this is going to just be too much for me. Right? It is. The party starts, and Corey has me on FaceTime, and here in a private party, in a small, beautiful, intimate setting, on a rooftop in New York with the skylight, the lights, the camera, there's just the whole thing. And out comes this, like, the whole band comes out, and it's Stevie Wonder, who then, as a surprise, who then does an entire performance. And I cannot believe that I missed Stevie Wonder performing live. I just can't believe it. I was such, I had such fomo I had to hang up.

I get it. I've got to call you back. This is too much for me. I miss this. I can't believe it. But so lovely that they did this for their, you know. Yeah, that's a big one to miss. Like that was a huge thing to miss.

So I was really disappointed about that. Okay. But I don't like making decisions like that. because I think every time we say no to something, we're missing something that, you know, once in a lifetime or spending time with people that we love so much and that, you know, no, doesn't bother me. It bothers me a lot to miss. I want to be, I want to show up for people. And sometimes when I can, I get really hard on myself. I think that. You show up for people all the time. I know. But sometimes I feel like, I feel like I do and I try. But sometimes if you ever had that group of friends. I feel up. friends and sometimes you feel like you're always saying no and you don't want to say no. Oh, all the time. It just turns out that way. It frustrates me a lot that I can't be everywhere all at once. Okay. Last few questions, how do you feel about turning 70? Oh my gosh. Blessed. I feel

really happy and blessed. Are you excited? Are you nervous? I'm so excited. Do you care about the number? I, even when you look as stunning as you do? Oh, I, it's not about the way. It's not about the that I look. It's about the way that I feel. And that's what I have to focus on. You feel great. I do. Yeah. I feel good. I feel like I compare myself to people that I know in my lifetime that came way before me, my grandparents or, you know, my mom. And my mom was doing great at 70. And she's still doing great at 91. But I think it's just the way you look at life. And I'm realizing that it's all about the attitude, moving, keeping yourself. Busy, but healthy and really making better choices. And I've really tried to do that for the last 10 years. And I think it's really helped.

And I think one thing I want to thank you for is for encouraging me to start doing training, like string training again. Or bullying you. Well, you bullied me into working out. So thanks for that. But the way you went about it, you know, we could talk. about that later off camera but um the way I feel is so like it's a 180 important for your body especially the older you get it's a 180 yeah and if I ever fell or even the comment you made to me

about your high heels yeah I after my hip replacement I really couldn't wear a high heel anymore but then I started string training my legs got stronger my back my torso my body my I aren't. Everything just, there was another pep in my step. You know, I just felt better about the way I move around the planet. And I realized I can, you know, feel a lot stronger and wear things I want to wear. And, you know, I love fashion. So that's important to me. But I just feel better. And I feel like I eat better. I sleep better. I concentrate on my sleep and all of that. And that was a big change for me. And turning 70, I think that it just becomes mind over matter. You know, you just have to say, okay, guess what? I've got this next decade to attack. I feel like I look at my life in chapters and I, you know, about to enter into my seventh chapter. I look at mine the same way. You do? I do. I'm like, okay, the 40s, 30s. That's how I look at mine as well. Yeah. Like what is this going to be like? But do you let the number play? like games with your brain? Age is just a number. Okay, good. I hope you really believe that. I do. I didn't, you know, I used to say it and I believed it. But now I really believe it. I don't feel, I feel better. And I feel like, you know, the things that I do to protect my health and improve everything that I can, I want to share that with everybody. Modern medicinal science is such a blessing for all of us. MMS. MMS. That's right.

Modern medicinal science. Say it three times fast. Modern medicinal science. Modern medicinal science. Modern medicinal science. See, you're still there. It's, you know, I think that when you can treat yourself to, you know, self-care treatments and just doing things for yourself that, you know, make you feel better, do it. Yeah. So I don't have a lot of time. But when I do, when you said, what do you do if you have a quiet moment? Okay. Those are the times one year you bought me a red light for my face and I'll go get under that. I'll get in the massage chair. I'll take a sauna. Nice. I'll take a bath. I'll take a steam. I have a little spa set up at the house. So I'm super lucky because I've worked hard my whole life to be able to have these goodies everywhere and I use them and I enjoy them and I look forward to it. You didn't ask me about my favorite gift I ever got. What's your favorite gift that you've ever received from me? Like, if you had to think of something that I've given you over the years for Christmas, what would be one of your

favorite Christmas gifts? I have to think, because that's a very thoughtful answer. What is yours? I feel like you have an answer. That's why you are bringing up. No, no, no. I saw it on your list, and I thought about You're pre-reading the questions? I saw a couple questions, yes. Okay. But it was like for two seconds in the green room. I'm not upset about it. No, but I mean, not like I had time to think about it.

But I saw this one question that said, what is your favorite gift that you've ever given each other or something like that? And what was it? Well, it wasn't what you gave me. Okay. It was what your dad gave me once. What he gave you? And that was your dad was always. somebody that wanted you to really want something before he, like he wanted a great surprise.

Okay. And he wanted you to surprise and delight. And I remember once, like, for example, I really wanted a car once when I was growing, growing up, because basically I grew up with him. And one day we were going out to dinner and it was the night before Mother's Day. And we were late and we ran out into the garage and there was a brand new car with a big bow on it. Like when you least expect it was when your dad would give a gift. Cute. Like, and he would think about it for a really long time. So I really got a little bougie in my, you know, as I got older and had kids and got a little more mature and started seeing beautiful, shiny new things and, you know, felt really blessed and I remember I had this beautiful Piaget watch on my wish list forever and he would say

this is what you want you want this watch I don't understand like you have a watch like why do you know you just and it was this beautiful dressy like dress watch and I had talked about it for a long time and you know I'm the wife that accidentally puts the picture of the watch on the refrigerator right or on his closet door or maybe you know, when he lifts, when he lifts the seat to pee, it's there. Yeah. Like I would do the craziest things and put this picture of this watch everywhere. And so for Christmas one year, we were opening gifts. And he said, do you want your, do you want to open your present? And I said, yeah. But there was a problem because the present was like big. And I thought, oh, it's definitely, you know, nothing that. Yeah, it's not jewelry. So I couldn't imagine what it was. and I opened the gift and it's a Barbie in a box and it was really cute.

And I used to collect the Christmas. I still, to this day, collect the Christmas Barbie. So every year, don't laugh. At Christmas, my mom gives me the Christmas Barbie now. And your dad used to give me a Christmas Barbie. And it's always Barbie dressed in a, I know. I'm like an adult that collects dolls. No, it's fine.

It's crazy. So he gave me the Christmas Barbie. Barbie. And he goes, she's cute, right? And I go, yeah, she's really cute. Thank you. Like I was like, this is what I'm getting for, you know, I was spoiled brat. And I thought, not much has changed. Exactly. So he said, don't you want to look at her or play with her? And I go, okay. You know, I felt bad that I wasn't more excited about opening this Barbie. So I pulled her out. You know how they have the Barbie attached with plastic and it takes like nine hours to get the Barbie out of the box.

So get the Barbie out of the box and she had the watch around her waist. And he had covered it with tissue or something. So cute. Yeah, it was really cute. So I think that was the most. I was so excited. Oh, Mom.

This I've looked forward to literally all week. I love being with you. I love learning anything I can from you. And like, who the hell is Avalon? What's her name? Avalon. Avalon.

Like, Jimmy and Avalon. But I didn't know this before today. I always learned something new is what I'm trying to say. And I just love you so much. Oh, I love you too. For so many different reasons. But the fact that you're sharing a little holiday insight with me and the listeners, it's so special.

I love you. And you know, you're always welcomed in Wonderland. I love Chloe in Wonderland. Thank you. My very own little special place. I love when we start talking like this. I know. I know.

So sweet.