Khloé in Wonder Land - Khloé vs Conspiracies ft. Savas Oguz

Episode Date: December 3, 2025

Khloé is back with an unfiltered chat about conspiracies, internet myths, and the kind of rabbit holes you only explore with a friend who feels like family. No scripts, just raw curiosity and hilarious honesty. The perfect episode for anyone who loves hot takes, pop culture theories, and Khloé being Khloé.Episode Sponsor:Instead of striving for perfect health, aim for supporting foundational health. My listeners get 25% off your first month at https://www.ritual.com/KHLOE.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This episode is about conspiracy theories. Have you heard that aliens and humans have crossbred? Oh my God. You don't believe in one thing I believe in. Savaz is born to argue. That's what people say, but I disagree. I come from a place of anything's possible. You want to prove that I'm crazy.

Which you are. Right, which I am. You believe the moon landing happened. I do. And you're telling me the president was able just to call up the moon. We don't even have service and something. parts of Calabasas. One interesting conspiracy, I think, is how pyramids were made. This one's gonna really get me going. What? How would they have the technology? The Giants helped.

Do I really want to get your thoughts on Antarctica? What are you gonna say? There's aliens there or something? There's portals. You think that's, do you believe in that? Have you like ever seen a ghost? Literally last week, you know when someone walks by you and you feel a gust of wind? And I was like, oh, what is in here? I don't believe in ghosts. This was fun. I have so many more to... We've got to do this again. Dare I ask your theory on mermaids.

Mermaids? This podcast I'm so excited about because I've been wanting to get Savaz on the pod for a while now. Savaz is a dear friend of mine. I've known him for about nine plus years. Oh, me 10 years. Yeah, nine plus years. And I met Savaz, because when I was dating Tristan, Savaz is one of Tristan's best friends from childhood. And Savaz and I just really clicked.

And when Tristan and I broke up, I still got to keep Savaz. So that's a good. No, we're literally family, right? Yes. We're actually brother and sister. I see Savaz literally every single day. And if I don't see him for a day, It feels like a year has gone by.

No, seriously. It's so weird. We work out together. We work out together. We like travel together. He's also in my family, if you are friends with one of us, you're friends with all of us. So Savaz is friends with all of my siblings, my mom, everything. So Savaz is literally like my brother.

And this episode is going to be about conspiracy theories and just us bantering a bit. that. And the reason why is because Savaz and I do this all day long. In a group chat with her brother. In a group chat with Rob or we'll just fight during our workout nonstop. We argue and Savaz is born to argue. But I, but I will only argue with conspiracy theories. Like you're against anyone. No, but I would mainly argue against like people that have crazy opinions. I've I'm like a very, like, even keeled. Rational thinker.

Okay. But you're also just, I also think sometimes Savaz will argue for the sake of arguing. Like. I don't say that, but I don't see it. Oh, I'm not the only one that says that. No, a lot of people say it. Okay.

But I genuinely do not see it. I feel like I argue against stuff that's like, no, somebody will say something crazy and I'll say, oh. I think you just love to go against the grain. So if I'm like, oh, this is red. You're like, I disagree. And I'm like, Savaz.

That's what people say, but I disagree. But anyway, it's amazing. And I love it and I wouldn't want to fight with anyone else. And this is your first time. Doing a podcast? Doing a podcast in general? Is that what you were going to say? I was going to say your first time in Wonderland.

Oh, yeah. My show is called Chloe in Wonderland. I wouldn't rather be in nowhere else. This is the podcast that I feel like, I mean, I watch all your episodes pretty much. Stop. That's so nice of you. Yeah, of course. But also, duh, this is your first.

first podcast. What am I thinking? I know. I'm like highly requested here. Hello. This is amazing. Not a single person requested me. I requested you forever. Let's have a sip. All right. I'm drinking vodka Sprite and me on vodka. What's a little tidbit? Oh my God. So I'll come nuts off vodka. Vodka and I do not go hand in hand, but I could have a glass, but I'm very aggressive on vodka. Kendall will also confirm. Oh my God. I've beat Kendall up a few times. I've seen you drag her. It's so sad. Like, there's no reason.

She's the nicest girl, and I attack her. Why her? But you're the nicest guy, and I, Savas was a baseball hat every fucking day of his life. And he has the best head of hair. I do not understand it. It's only because I don't like to do my hair. It's like so much work. It is literally like Fabio, which you don't know who Fabio is.

I bet, exactly. But like the shorter version, this luscious, thick locks of hair. and he puts a fucking baseball hat on it every fucking day. It's because, like, my hair is, like, thinner, I want to say. No, it's not. But it's like, if I don't put product in it, it would just, like, fly everywhere. So I don't want to put product every day. So sorry, it's so much hair.

But I do flick his hat off when I'm drunk, nonstop. Every time. So I have to, like, stay far away from you every time. No, I literally, like, I literally say, okay, I cannot go near her. Especially up I'm with, like, if I'm besides somebody that I don't want to be, like, get embarrassed in front of her something. She would grab my hat, throw it in the water, do this. It's crazy. He's like my brother.

And so Savaz is Turkish. His parents are from Turkey. From Turkey. You're from Toronto. First generation Canadian. Oh, fuck yeah. Which is most of our, like, most people around my age are first generation Canadians. Because everybody's parents.

Oh, in Toronto. In Toronto. The reason also why I'm saying that is, there's a lot of things that you, don't know about like I think because you weren't raised for sure like Americanized oh no for sure and so one of those things are there was this video that I saw and it was like lies your parents told and I want to know if your parents told you the same lies since they're foreign would they like these are things I definitely was told as a kid okay this okay were you ever told you'll go blind if you sit too close to the TV yes it's illegal to drive with the

lights on in the car? No, I don't think they told me that. I used to be in such fear. If I turned the little light on, I used to be in fear. We're all going to jail. Yeah. If you swallow gum, it takes seven years to digest. I don't think I heard that.

Wow. If you pee in the pool, a ring will form around you. A ring, no. Or like it will turn red. You'll see a color or something. Yes, I was always told that. I've got eyes in the back of my head. What's that?

Like, I mean, the common saying, like, I got eyes. No, like, as a parent, I would be like, true, don't do that because I have eyes in the back of my heads. Look, if I turn around, I'm still watching you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. If you make that face, it will stay forever like that. Definitely. Yeah. Why did they say that to us?

I don't know. Like, who cares if you make that face? I don't know. It's like people, have you ever heard the cross-eyed one? Like, if you cross your eyes too much, your eyes thick? I still think that might happen. I know, me too. I'm not crossing my eyes.

What about you can't swim for 30 minutes? after eating? No, I've never heard that. Oh, I heard that. Is that a thing? All the time, but I don't think it's real. You could swim whenever you want. I've definitely never heard that one. Do you know what prompted me to want to do this?

What? When my kids were playing the head, shoulders, knees, and toes song, and you've never heard it before? Right. That's outrageous to me. I mean, it's because they listen to it all day. No, no. Savaz, have you ever heard that song?

Which one? head, shoulders, knees and toes. Like the The song that we played and you were like, Oh, I've never heard that, no. Right. Why is that so surprising?

Is that like a popular song or something? No, seriously, I've never heard. Who is it by? Well, it's happy birthday. No one knows who it's by. It's just. I mean, I'm sure because you have kids. Did you know prior to having kids?

I was a kid. Oh, I've never heard that. That's definitely a Canadian-American thing. They weren't playing like, we didn't have too much money, so it's not like we could watch TV and hear these things. Happy birthday. Do you know that song?

I mean, obviously. To me, it's like equivalent. Really? Like, do you know Ring Around the Rosie? Of course. That's the same. Really? I've never heard.

Yeah. Yes, I think it's. I've never heard that. I think it's the same equivalency as Ring Around the Rosie. That's crazy. So what wanted me to read you some of these was I just find it so fascinating that you don't know that song. Did you always love it?

conspiracies. I think I was always into them. And you were, you're always on the side of you don't believe in them. I don't believe in them. So where do you find out about conspiracies through other people or do you like look for them? Honestly, I feel like they just on social media. I see them a lot.

Twitter. But now my algorithm is all conspiracies. I mean, I send you and Rob the craziest shit. No, Chloe, whenever you see like, all Chloe needs to see is big white letters on like a picture of something. and it will say like the world is ending in 2028. You'll be like, oh my God, guys, look, the world is ending. I'll be like, Chloe.

I believe everything. But you will send like 20 at a time and I won't get to all of them. No. And Rob is like, can you just stop? You'll respond to one of the last ones. He will. He's like, can you stop? Do you prefer a conspiracy to be unsolved or would you rather know the truth?

Like, is it fun to go down these rabbit holes? I don't really believe in conspiracy. Like, I'm into them. Like, I like that they're brought. up, but I don't believe that, like, the... Right, but what, so what I think you are, you like to debunk a conspiracy. Yes. And you want to prove, like, that I'm crazy and like, right, which I am.

Right. And you want to be like, this is not real and you want to debunk it. For sure. But without the conspiracy, what would we even talk about? It's what we talk about all night and day. No, it's, I mean, I like... Just basic conversation about conspiracies because you say I like to argue. I guess I do. But I don't know. I just, obviously I think conspiracies are super interesting, like depending on like the, I looked into the moon one. Oh, that's where we're going. Okay. Talk about the moon landing.

I believe that it happened now. I do. Savaz? No, I do. You believe the moon landing happened. I do. Please tell me why. I mean, so, okay, so when I was young, people used to say, oh, the flag was waving. That was like a common, like, thing that would debunk the...

Sure. But I looked into that and they said that was because they moved a flag and then there was some like signs behind it. So it's waving in the wind. There's some signs behind why there's not? So what about the four camera angles? What is that? If they're the first person on the moon, you're telling me there's four cameramen that went on the moon from different positions and they're filming them? I mean, I just don't see, because they said they've been to the moon like a few times.

And you're telling me, the president was they able to. just to call up the moon, the people on whatever, just be like, hey guys, did you make it? Like, we don't even have service in some parts of Calabasas. I know. It is strange that we haven't been to- You know, it just didn't happen. But you know what?

They say it's happened like more than once, like six times or something, five or six times. Savaz. But in that period, it was like in the early 70s or something. My thing is I've seen like Elon, I know like you can't just always go back to this, but I've seen Elon say like he believes it's real. And that gives him hope that he's going to make it happen. Like, he's going to do it again. Well, why has no one done it again?

They have sent vehicles to the moon and that type of stuff. But, like... I know. It's kind of strange. I don't know. But you would say generally the world believes that that's a real thing, right? Other than, like, conspiracy theorists. Well, duh, that's what a conspiracy theorist is. Right. So you're, like, one of the, like... I don't believe we landed on the moon.

You don't? I don't. I don't. I just don't. The flag moving, how is the flag waving back and forth like there's wind? It just doesn't make sense. Well, they said that's some like scientific thing where like when you, if you twist the pole, there's, I don't know what the exact term is, but like something happened to the flag.

I just don't believe it. All right. I don't get the phone call the president made to the astronauts. I just think that is so easy to, that would easily be debunked. It was the 60s, though. It was the 60s. They, you were able. to hide so much.

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Oh, God. What is it? What are your thoughts on aliens? I don't believe they exist. Savaz, the government has confirmed that they exist. But they haven't, though. But they have. Like actual, like...

I've told you this before, but you don't believe me. During COVID, they admitted that there was UFOs. Yeah, but all a UFO is is like an unidentified, like, flying object, right? So it's like something you don't even know what it is. But so what else could it be? A sheet of metal flying through the air. And you would think, oh, that's a UFO. No.

It's from another. It's foreign. It's from another planet. They don't know where it's from. It could be from anywhere, right? Sure. It could be. But it's not. And by UFO, you mean like something like human, like some like aliens flying this thing through the air or something? Is that what you believe?

So do you believe that we're the only planet with living organisms on it in the entire galaxy? Like living life? Well, I'm not saying I have to be humans. you and I, but you just think, like, there's black hole after black hole and galaxy after galaxy. You don't think that there's a possibility. I personally don't. I'm not going to. I think I think Earth is such like, life on Earth is like such like a unique thing. Yeah. It had to be like once in a like whatever. God's design. Yes. God's design. And I don't think. But why couldn't God design other things? He could. I don't. I just feel like.

We would know. There would be more concrete evidence. I haven't seen one piece of evidence where I'm like, okay, now I believe in aliens. Not one thing other than people talking and I don't know. Okay. I know you send like a lot of these things where like people claim they've seen an alien. Like I remember, remember when you sent the Miami, the Miami Mall thing? You don't think the Miami Alien Mall sighting happened?

It was the worst thing I've ever seen ever. What? What? So, when was this? I had to be like, a New Year's. It was a New Year's. That might have been the worst. There is a incident at the Miami Mall. I don't know what the mall's name is.

But I literally saw a thing. A hundred and eighty-three police cars showed up to the mall. And there's people running out saying there's aliens. There's some, there's this eight-foot, ten-foot. tall black dark shadow figure someone mentioned a portal had opened up should have that is no no i know you're not going to like a portal situation savaz the my you're telling me 183 cops got called to the miami mall it was because there was a they thought it was an active shooter in there have you ever seen like let's just say god forbid there was have you ever seen a

183 cop cars go for an active shooter? Is somebody legitimately counting? Yes, if that was in the report from the state. Okay, they're not counting the amount of cop cars in the dam. That is insane. Everything I say he does, he just won't believe. Do you believe that there was an alien in that mall? Yes.

And there was not a single person. Because something happened to all their phones. What aliens have like energetic devices and they can shut everything down? Savaz. With all these cell phones, you don't think somebody could just take out a cell phone or a camera. I just told you what happened. They have special devices? Yes.

And energetically, it shuts everything. 100%. Wow. Rob and I both believe there were thousand percent. And let me also tell you, if it wasn't real, why do we never talk about it again? People, they bury it. New Year's Day, the mall, are we okay? I think people don't talk about it because it was not real and it was so crazy.

No, it was real. Why were 183 cop cars called there? Because they thought it was an active... It was a bunch of kids causing a ruckus. They thought maybe there was a shooting type of situation. I've never seen 183 cop cars called to a shooting situation. Yeah, but it's a big mall. Like, I don't know.

They probably want to surround the whole mall. And 183, that could just be a random number that people threw out. Okay. There's no way you believe that's true. There's no convincing this guy of anything. That is insane. So, have you heard... how you're really not going to like this,

that aliens and humans have crossbred. Oh, my God. I haven't heard this. What do they say? They get alien DNA and they put it in a human. Okay. And they have a baby. Well, who's they?

I don't know. I don't know who they is. But there's supposedly alien human crossbreeds. And they know who they are. Like, the government follows them and has been monitoring them. Never heard of that. That sounds insane. It does sound insane, but almost so insane that it's real. But I just feel like, again, all this stuff is happening and nobody has a picture of anything, a video of anything.

Well, we have UFO photos, but you think they're not real. It's just a flashing light and you think, oh, it's a UFO flying. So Dr. Stephen Greer, who I had on, the alien expert guy, you're telling me he's just making up what his position is in the government. I mean, I don't want to talk about him. So anyone that works, like people that do those documentaries that are in the government currently, I've seen a few of them, they're a Navy seal for 30 years, whatever the case may. But you're telling me they're making it up. I just, I would go to them and I would say, okay, show me one piece of concrete evidence where you could say, look, an alien exists. Or look a UFO, like this is like a flying, I don't know, whatever, something from another planet.

This guy, Sean Ryan, he's like super legit. to me, a no-nonsense type of guy. He's a podcast. And he talks about this kind of stuff. He has people on in the military. I think he's ex-military. And he, like, they've talked about things. I don't know why these people would all be making shit up.

Again, what do they, like, where's their evidence aside from just? They can't have any. When you go into these classified buildings, you think they're letting you bring your cell phone? I mean, what are they going to do? They search you. But you're also saying, like, people are cross-breeding, this, that, like. Right. How do we have proof of that?

Has somebody said they seen that with their own eyes? Yes. I just watched this. God, I wish I saved every fucking thing I see. When you say it overwhelm me with footage, I'm going to start just sending it to you. No, you legitimately sent 20 things at once. And I just click on one random one. And I'll go, okay, she's nuts.

There's aliens and you're nuts. So what's Area 51? That's just like a lot of classified. documents are in there, but I don't think it's like alien stuff. It's like stuff with the government and this and that. I don't think... You're exhausting. You're exhausting. Do they say there's alien stuff in there? Yes.

Nobody actually says it. I think people like assume, has they ever like confirmed? I've been there. Well, they wouldn't let me in, but I've been there and they, there was sand snipers and they took our footage from keeping up because we were close.

Yes, it was terrifying. And we had a man who claimed he was abducted by aliens in our RV with us. And when we got close to Area 51, he was vomiting. He was spiraling. He was like, let me off. Let me off. And we were like, oh, my God, where did this guy come? We didn't know this guys. We were so freaked out. And on the way to Area 51, they have, like, souvenir shops of all alien stuff that, like, random people put together. Aliens are known to be there. This sounds insane. You sound crazy. He claimed he was abducted by aliens. He wrote a book about it.

He went missing for like five days and then randomly they found him again. He was probably in Hawaii on the beach or something. It does sound crazy, but it happened. So do I really want to get your thoughts on Antarctica? What did they say about that? So Antarctica is the only continent in the world. I think there's like 50-something treaties that have been signed that no one will ever build or go to Antarctica unless it's known through the government.

Like, you have to get government approval. You can't just go there. If I'm not mistaken, we can't just fly over Antarctica without anyone being notified or you'll be, like, shot down. Why is Antarctica the only place that no one is allowed to go unless you get government clearance? What are you going to say? There's aliens there or something? There's portals. I believe there's portals there.

Like, portals, what? That would lead you, like, you go in the portal and they're like... We don't know, Sabat. But they also say that there's, like, it's the place where something is there. I'm going to say aliens. And there was this, like there is a scientific research group that went to Antarctica to do something. They got lost. And Americans went out to rescue them.

They were found and they were put on a plane back to America. And they would not speak. And they would not speak about what they said. saw and they were so traumatized and scarred, and they've never spoken about what they saw. That's weird. What are these people seeing? I don't like that you're laughing at me. I'm calling Rob.

That sounds crazy. Hi. I'm doing my podcast and Savaz is with me, and he's pissing me off. So what is, tell him about Antarctica because he doesn't believe that there's anything shady with Antarctica. He knows everything that's going on. He just doesn't believe it. No, that one I've never.

heard, genuinely. Yes, that there's aliens in Antarctica, so we're talking about. Yep, and how every nation in the world has agreed to not let whatever civilization happen there. When does every nation agreed on anything? But you don't think somebody would just risk their lives and just go try to get there and try to get some like... There's been people, I believe that have.

Yes. And what happened to them? They die. They get shot or something? I don't know. They freeze. They get abducted by the aliens, whatever. And, oh my gosh.

and he doesn't believe the fucking aliens at the mall. That one is the worst one, I think, ever. That one I can understand why he wouldn't believe it. Robert, don't ruin this for me. It could have been a lot of different things. You're telling me, 183, Rob, you were the one that riled me up about this one. No, I did not, but at that time, maybe. Yes, of course.

Listen. Okay. What about Malaysia? Air. So sad. There's a lot of stories. Yeah. No, but what happened in, but why has there not been any? So you guys, so where's Malaysia Air?

Where's the plane? Where's any piece of the plane? To me, I'm not talking about the Brazilian plane. I know what you're, that's the one where. For some reason, every time a plane crashes, somehow there's somebody on that plane that was like going to cure some type of cancer. Well, the one in Brazil had 20. doctor is going. No, but it's, I just think they make these stories up to make it like, like people like you.

Savaz, the Brazilian plane, there was 20 different people going to a cancer seminar. I've seen that. To talk about cancer research and, like, provide a cure. The plane fell out of the sky like it was paper. It just plummeted. That just disappeared. And no one has seen a body. No one has found a thing.

So who do you think is orchestrated? this? Well, the Brazilian plane, I'm assuming the people who benefit from people being sick with cancer. Malaysian air, rumor is a UFO abducted it. Oh my God. You don't believe that, do you? Robert. I don't know. One interesting conspiracy, I think, is how pyramids were made. That one I'm genuinely confused about. What conspiracy? I mean, you believe like, that one So do you believe in giants? No. In the book of Enoch.

A giant's like you mean like somebody that's like 7.5 or something? 7.5 is not a giant. What are you saying? Like 20 feet tall or something? That's like the normal human in today's day and age. Giants. They were in the Bible. The giants existed. There's architecture that's still around from hundreds of years ago that were like 40 foot doors.

Giants existed. I've never heard of that. The book of Enoch in the Bible. what if they had something to do with helping with pyramids? I've never heard that, but I mean, I could see like some type of situation where it's like a... No, nothing. I mean, there was definitely a giants back in the day. I definitely believe in giants. I mean, I don't know. Like, how tall are these people? Well, I didn't measure them. But if you're saying like, what, like 50 feet tall or something?

Maybe. I don't know if I believe that. Okay, what about the idea that pyramids could have been done through alien technology? So it's etched in Egyptian carvings, aliens, alien faces, when they open up some burial things, they look like alien like. I see that. Okay, so what's your answer for that? I mean, to me, that just looks like art. And people were just bored and just start scribbling. You don't think everything that we see had to be someone's reality at some point.

It could. It could. I mean, but a lot of it tells stories, too. And what's the story of this? The stories are left to interpretation, right? So it's like. But an alien is pretty identifiable. I know, but maybe they just were bad artists and they just couldn't like.

Oh, my God. Rob, it just doesn't end. But my explanation to how pyramids were made would be like some type of pulley situation where it's like they get elephants. put some big ropes on it. The precision of a pyramid. Do you understand that's the, I don't understand it, how it lines up with the stars? Do you guys know the poles that were found in the ground? Oh my gosh.

And how weird that no one talks about it again. What were the poles about? It's like something that's not the pole, the pyramid, poles. It says Nicola Tesla believe the Egyptian pyramids were ancient energy devices, not tunes built to harness and transmit power using the Earth's natural electromagnetic fields. Okay, and then him, how they killed his ass and took all of his trunk of recipes for science stuff. So they discovered just this last year,

they discovered all of these huge poles that are living underneath the pyramids that they never knew about. And no one can understand. These are kilometers underneath the ground. How would they know to even do that? I mean, they were smart, clearly, if you're building a pyramid. Do you know what this would take to do?

I know, but I just- There's all these hidden structures, hidden structures beneath the great period of Giza. No one knew this until this last year. What? How would they have the technology? How do they have the, they didn't have tools to dig kilometers into the ground? No, that is crazy. But I think that they had like thousands of people working at the same time.

There's eight vertically aligned. They're perfectly aligned. This is like not even possible. So what's your explanation? It's not man-made. Or the Giants helped. You think they just carry rocks on the shoulder? Yes.

Okay, love you, Rob. I'm just listening. Dare I ask your theory on mermaids? Mermaids? There's no... Let's not start. You believe that they're real? Humans living underwater?

Is that what you're trying to say? Sure. There's no way that you believe that. A mermaid. I mean, we would find that. We would, I mean. No, we wouldn't. We just, I read last week, ooh, a two new species of sharks have been discovered.

Like, what? Yeah, because they say we only know like what? No, 81% of our waters is uncharteded. Yeah, that's crazy. We don't know. That's crazy. So why it, what? Here's my thing.

I come from a place. of anything's possible. You come from a place of nothing's possible. So, are there aliens? Anything's possible. If we're here, are there mermaids? Anything's possible. I'm here.

I just need to see some evidence. Robots do drive you. There's driverless cars. It's crazy. It's crazy. 50 years ago, if I told you, you know, you're going to have a car with no driver, but it's going to get you from A to Z.

You'd be like, fuck off. Yeah, that, that, that, that, That is insane. I'm not going to lie. Self-driving cars, even what cell phones do right now, it's like kind of insane. Like if someone asked me, if I went to the past and someone was like, if I had to prove I was from the future, and someone was like, if I'm like, you know, you can use a phone and it will call people and they're going to be like, how does it work? It doesn't make any sense. I don't know how to explain to someone how a cell phone works. Me neither. That's insane. I really don't. So I would sound crazy. I think the same. I think the same. thing goes for, I don't know how to explain how aliens and mermaids exist, but I think they do.

It's a good perspective. That is a good perspective. But I don't know. There's a possibility they can, is my point. Like, why be so like, no, that's not possible. The idea of aliens just seems like something just so crazy that, I don't know, I would have to see it to believe it. Okay. So you believe on life on other planets, right? Yeah. Like, do you think they're building like a, it's like actual life? Well, I don't know. No, I don't know exactly to what degree I believe. I just believe there's so many solar systems. There's so many different galaxies that we just, we thought it was what, our nine planets orbiting the sun and that was it. Then we discovered black hole after black hole and it takes you into different galaxies, yada, yada. And then there's different solar systems. Who's to say there's. There's not life on another planet. I'm just saying who's to say.

I would say this. Do I believe it? No. If it happened to come out that it was true, I would not be just stunned. So I'll say that. Like, I'll be like, oh, okay. So we're slowly breaking down the wall. I can see how you could think like that, but I just don't believe it because I haven't

seen it. It's like humans flying. Like if you told me a human's going to fly, I would say no way. Now, if it happened, I'll be like, holy smoke, this is insane. I don't think we can fly. No, but if it eventually happened, let's say... Like, with a jetpack. I don't know.

But I don't think we're going to adapt to flying. Right. Yeah, that one is crazy. So far, you don't believe in one thing I believe in. Do you know who Bigfoot is? Of course. Oh, I don't know. You don't know head, shoulders, knees, and toes.

What are your thoughts on Bigfoot? Fake, obviously. But why? Why can't he be real? I mean, what is this? It's like a big bear-looking thing. What if? What if you're telling me, someone just made up one day, there's this big hairy thing in the bush.

No, that's literally what they did. And then it just, do you know what the Lochness monster is? Yes. Do you believe in that? No. I believe in all of that. Do you believe in unicorns? Obviously.

Really? I mean, I would like to. That's the only one that I don't really think is real, but I, in my head, want to fantasize. In real life, I don't believe it's real. But I do wish that one was real. To me, that's what all these are. Barefoot. Fantasies.

Bigfoot, whatever his name is. It's all, it's all made. up stories. No. I think Bigfoot is real. Yeah. I mean, I do. But don't you think somebody would have caught a picture? I think in this time, how many people on earth? Eight billion people? Mm-hmm. You don't think, and there's that many cell phones. You don't think one person would catch one good picture of it. I've seen what you did on your show. What? Dressed up as a, as a. Oh, the bear? Yeah. Yeah. But just like, what if there's only three left in the entire world? And they're in hiding. And nobody's going to see it?

And what if the other animals are like, okay, it's now time. Oh, my God. Do you think animals can communicate with each other? Yeah, between each other. Yes, obviously. I mean, like a dog and a dog probably. Yeah. Oh, I think all animals know how to communicate with each other.

Oh, my God. Like a lion and like a sheep. Really? They communicate via animal language, whether it be telepathically or, I don't know, energetically. Do you really believe that? Yes. Wow. Why are humans the only one?

I, dogs, you can teach them. commands, I definitely think they understand so much more than what we give them credit for. I also know it's scientifically proven that plants and trees, when you play them music, they grow more. Like, it's all energetically done. The music is through different hurts, and it's energetically what you can receive. But animals lack, like, logic, right? They can't reason. Maybe.

Like, they don't understand why they like this over that. But maybe they're like, that's a trap. Let me avoid that. They're smart. I think it's just taught. Okay, but maybe. They can't really explain to you why this would be. Well, they can't explain anything to us.

Right. But they don't, I don't think they have the ability to reason. Right. Like, do you think they understand why they make certain decisions? Or do you think it's just, don't do that? I think a lot of things are innate and they're wild animals. So they do things out of. of like literally innately, let's just like how they were born. But there's been many times

that you hear situations where a human either gets lost in the jungle and a pack of wolves literally protects that baby or monkeys. I've seen a story. Or you've seen a monkey fall in a cage at the zoo and the mommy monkey protects the baby until someone comes and get it. I think innately they're like, okay, I want to protect this being. I don't know why even though it's different than me, or they can I read something about the lions in Africa with a baby and it protected

this child and then all they finally found the kid and it was surrounded by like a circle of lions like some because they know like that's like a little kid

I'm not saying that's going to happen every time yeah yeah yeah but there are some cases that I do think animals can either sense a situation or they

some have more understanding than others I don't know, but I don't think they're just all. I think they could sense a situation. Like brain dead and nothing's happening. Like, I know dogs can, like, if you're sick, a dog will, like, console you, like, a little bit, like, just be beside you the whole time. Like, I remember my dad was, like, something was wrong with his foot,

and the dog would just stay by that foot the whole time. See? They, like, lick the foot. They, it's energetically. They sense things. They're so much smarter. I'm not saying they sit there and have full-blown conversations with one another. But they definitely have something.

Like, you think they could, like, communicate something to you? to each other? Yes, for a fact. I mean, I'm the leader of the pact. We're all going to respect it. Like, they're so fucking smart. No, there. Animals are super smart. But I don't think they could reason. Like, I don't think, like, for example, like if a dog

walked up to a fire, it would obviously get burnt and it would learn that to walk near a fire, you're going to get burnt. Whereas a human, we know we're going to get burned, but we could still walk in the fire. I don't think a dog can reason like that. Does that make sense? If I see a fire, a human knows not to go near the fire.

But you can make the decision to actually go in the fire if we wanted to. Obviously, we wouldn't. But if we wanted to. I think of Wolf can do the same thing. It goes up to it. It senses that it's really hot. I'm not going to go in it. But if it needed to jump through a ring of fire.

I don't know if it would. I don't know if it would. Maybe. But I don't think it would. Have you seen dancing with wolves? No. It's a movie? It's an old movie.

So have you like ever seen a ghost? I don't believe in ghosts I believe in like spirits I don't believe in ghosts the difference I don't think I think a ghost is something that people created that's like you see something moving

like you could see so what's a spirit a spirit? A spirit is a feeling like you could feel somebody's spirit okay have you had an inter counter with a spirit not in my lifetime though like I haven't really had knock on wood like too many people like pass away

in my life. That's good. Right. At least people that I'm like super close with. That's great. But you, so when I tell you all the stories

that I have with ghosts and spirits, you just think I'm a lunatic. Yeah, remember when we were working out you thought that the weight moved, the weight moved. And it did. There's no way.

It did. It was probably one of us that did. We weren't even thinking about it. But I, you believe in ghosts? One zillion percent. Didn't you say there was a ghost in your, like a child or something? Yeah, at the rental house. She rubbed my hair.

There's no way. She did. It was the scariest thing. I never slept with the light off ever since. So what happened in that situation? I was sleeping. It was at that rental house that I still had in the Oaks. And there was like a hallway that like from True's room to my room.

It was a little narrow hallway. It was out of wood. So I could hear footsteps. And you could hear the difference between a child's footsteps and an adult footsteps. But True was still in a crib. And she's never got out of her crib. So I heard someone walking down. And I was like, True.

And then I looked at the monitor and she was still asleep. So I was like, that's weird. So I just laid back down. And it was like the middle of the night. And I shut my eyes. And then I felt something to do this and rub. Oh, my God. Her fingers from the top.

And I could feel it was a small hand and rubbed my head. And I remember a close of my eyes going, please don't be there, please don't be there, please don't be there. I opened my eyes. Nothing was there. I was so freaked out. And then I remember being like, hello and looking around. It was Alexa.

How many things happened with the little girl at that house? No, a lot. A lot. They were there. The jacuzzi was completely drained with a Barbie doll at the very bottom of the jacuzzi, like murder. It was probably like somebody that threw it in there just wasn't even thinking. Where'd the water go? No, in truth, bathing, so it went missing.

Yes. There's no way you guys believe this. Do you believe this? Even at this house, how many encounters have happened at this house? Terrell as a witness. Really? And that's a different person and a different home. So I'm going to show you how our mind plays tricks on us.

Like, I had a similar story where like when I would go to sleep, this is maybe like as early as like a year and a half ago. I would go to sleep at night. I would hear walking like on the roof. That's because someone's on the roof. No, so I'm thinking, okay, what the hell is up there? There's a raccoon or something up there. I didn't know what the hell. I wasn't thinking ghost.

The pest control guy came. I said, there's definitely something up there. You got to look. I don't know what it is. It's not something the pest control can get. No, but hear me out. So he goes up there. He's like, there's nothing here.

I blocked out everything. I don't see any signs of like raccoons or like rats or anything. Like, okay, what the hell? So I'd go back to sleep. Maybe like a week later. Again, the walking happens. I'm like, what the hell? So I go on the camera.

And this is maybe like at 6 a.m. You have a camera on the roof? No, no. I go on the cameras just to see. Is there like somebody like on the roof or something? I'm just trying to see. And you know what I see? A reflection, a shadow of a fucking bird.

A huge bird that was like just walking on the roof. And it would just for somebody. It was like a black hawk that would constantly. It's footsteps made you think there was a human up there. I'm saying that it was, they were so heavy. I couldn't believe that that is the sound that I was here. But that's how crazy our brains, I would have thought it was a, like, if I didn't do that, I'm thinking it's a ghost up there. Okay. So that's your encounter. Mine have been, have you ever felt a human sit on the edge of your bed while your eyes are shut? You feel when the mattress caves in a little. And then you wake up, you open your eyes and nothing's there. Like it's. That's trippy. But have you had that? No.

What? I think also if you're open to receiving, it will happen. Like that too. And I think. And I think. you're so against receiving any of this stuff that like you're not going to get any sign you get you're going to rationalize it for sure right like if i don't believe in ghosts a ghost can't like haunt me or like well nothing can haunt me because i don't give it power to haunt me right but i won't even believe it's not even a belief my house there's definite shit like the other night literally last week true was asleep in my bed and i was like i still wanted to watch tv and my tv was off and if i turned back on, it would have been too bright. So I sat my little sitting area and I was watching TV on my phone. And I was just sitting in there and it's like my little desk, a gust of wind went by my head and I

remember going, no, no, no, I said literally, no, no, no, I can't do this right now. And then I slowly looked around just to be like, it was, you know when someone walks by you and you feel a gust of wind? It was that feeling. So I was like, and I slowly looked around and then I go, true. And then no one was there. I opened my door. She's still asleep. And I was like, fuck. Then I went back.

I said a prayer. And then I watched my show again. It happened again. And I remember going, okay, I'm going to go to bed now. And I just went. And I was like, oh, what is in here? It was so distinct of something walking by me. The gust of wind.

There's no explanation. Were you high? No. I wasn't high. Maybe the AC just turned on or something. No, because I even looked. I looked around. And I was like, where's the vents?

The vents aren't there. And it's not like a surge of wind. Right. It was so eerie. And I normally I'll feel something, but I'm like, oh, it's a good feeling. This was like, I don't know if I would just, it wasn't negative, but it wasn't a great feeling. Yeah, yeah. I just didn't like it.

So I literally said a prayer and I was like, okay, I'm going to bed. You have fun out here. And I think it's because you believe in the stuff that this happened. I believe in anything. No, that's the problem. See, I don't believe in this stuff. So if I feel a gust of wind, I'll just be like, oh, the AC turn now, I'm going back to sleep. At one in the morning when the house is crickets, you wouldn't find that to be suspicious.

It's definitely happened to me something like that in my lifetime, but I feel like it's just like, I don't know what's in your head or something. You might be in a dream. No, I was awake. I was watching. I don't know. It's very strange. I think real housewives on my phone. I was like very awake.

Well, Sevez, I can do this for hours and hours with you. Number one, I am so honored that I'm. I am your first podcast. Stop it. I'm honored. I am. For like the rest of your life, you're going to remember me. You will.

And this was fun. I have so many more to do this again. We got to do with you. But I think we need to get into more depth. I need to like have videos that will explain it more to you because I'm not good at explaining these things because I'm in such rabbit holes with them. Why's the common sex and just destroy us? Like, oh, they don't know what they're talking about.

Oh, I don't have a clue what I'm talking about at all. But this is the fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. It's just about bantering. And I also think today people get so afraid to talk. But, like, that's the point. You just loosely have fucking conversation and you learn about things or you don't. I agree.

It's not that deep. I agree. It's not that serious. It's not that serious. But thank you for being on Chloe in Wonderland. It was an honor. This is amazing. And it's a beautiful room.

Thank you. Thank you.