Khloé in Wonder Land - No F*cks Given ft. Kylie Jenner

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

In her first podcast appearance ever, Kylie joins Khloé, with martinis in hand, for some confessions and unapologetic sister talk. They laugh-cry over growing up together, compare parenting styles, and gush over happy memories shared. Kylie opens up about “Pop Star Kylie", acting nerves, and the boundaries that protect her peace. And it wouldn't be a sister chat with at least one prank on the family.Episode Sponsors:Upgrade your mouthwash today. Find SmartMouth on Amazon, TikTok Shop, or at Walmart and Walgreens. You can also visit https://www.smartmouth.com/khloe for an exclusive offer on your next SmartMouth purchase. Don't miss out on 24-hour fresh breath, your mouth will thank you!Stop putting off those doctors appointments and go to https://www.zocdoc.com/KHLOE to find and instantly book a top-rated doctor today.Take the guesswork out of your dog's well-being. Go to https://www.ollie.com/wonderland and use code wonderland to get 60% off your first box!We've worked out a special offer for my audience! Receive 30% off your first subscription order. Go to https://www.armra.com/KHLOE or enter KHLOE to get 30% off your first subscription order.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Kylie, you're my bitch. I don't know if I've ever been on a podcast before. Kylie and I are getting so fucked up today. Chloe, please. What is something that you think about all the time? Aliens, the first scary movie I've ever seen was signs. What the fuck is signs? When you're spiraling, who do you text first?

When do you mute our family group chat? You were always muted. What? Truth or dare? Okay. Will you pick? Oh. Are you okay?

Are you okay? I see your eyes watering. No, mine are glossy from alcohol. Yours are glossy from tears. There's a difference. What was our bonding experience like being pregnant? I don't think we ever expected to be pregnant at the same time. Okay, it's called Mom.

Wait, did you mean to post that on Instagram? Bang, bang, kiss, kiss. What? Show me. Tell me right now and get it down. What are some of your superstitious rituals you do? Sorry. I love lying, my libeliner.

Cheers to us. Cheers. And welcome and thank you for being on Chloe and Wonderland. I love you. I love you. I'm so scared to see this episode. You are getting nasty right now. Better calm down.

Kylie. Hi. Welcome to Wonderland. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy. So I don't know people know. And not like this isn't like a diss. No, it's fine. But this has been like the fourth attempt to get Kylie Jenner on the pod. And it, but timing is everything. Timing is everything. Because you're here now. We're present. And Kylie and I are getting so fucked up today. Yeah. I don't know if we would have done that the other times. Yeah, you're right. We wouldn't have. Timing is everything. But also can I cap the floor? You can say everything. Okay. So when you first were doing your podcast, we had a date. That's not true. I'm just kidding. We had a date to do it, but I felt like I felt strongly that you needed to have non-family members on first to solidify your place in the podcast world. Right. Yes. So I felt like you need to do you and then I'll come on. And fuck you hoes half the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And also what I do want to say,

to all the viewers and listeners is that... I need to get something off my chest. Oh, my God. I'm like wasted. Breaking news. Me too. It's hitting me. So Kylie and I, before we started recording, we shared a shot together.

Like, what the fuck is going to happen this whole time? Okay. But Kylie and I don't really drink that much anymore. And half a shot of vodka and half a martini really fucks us up. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. It's also like two years. When the olive slap you in the face, you know it's a big deal.

I'm like, so, like, what's happening? But what I did want to say is that, so, Kylie and I shot a YouTube video together. Everyone has seen it because it's like the most viral sensation. It's definitely the best, most watched video on YouTube. But we did that ages ago. So in honor of that video, we did a YouTube video for your YouTube channel where Kylie and I were so drunk. I literally blacked. out in the garage here, which is crazy.

And Kylie's security, it had to take me home when I had to fucking hold it together for your security, I felt like I was like, I was like, hello, sir. How are you? I don't know why. Like, I literally had like an accent. But that's when, um, it was like, well, that's when I was drinking personally a lot more. And in the video, go, I took six shots, Chloe took five shots.

We're going to start the video. I've taken one shot. And I'm like, not okay. Half of one with me. Yeah, that's true. And Kylie and I, we're here. We have all of Kylie cosmetics here because we're here and we're trying to bring that same energy. But I'm not asking Kylie today, like, where are you from? Because you're my sister. Like, it's weird. If I'm like, so how was your childhood? So we're just going to ask random fun questions that probably most interviewers. Let's have fun. It's fucking fun. And whatever you don't want to answer,

say it, bitch, shut the fuck up. And we don't answer it. And we move on. And we move on. these aren't like riveting questions because you're my sister. I can ask you things that another interviewer's too afraid to ask you because they need to be like proper. Fuck you, bitch. I don't need to be proper. And on that note, let's take half a shot. You think so? Chloe, please. I'm not okay. How are you okay? I'm not okay. But I can read still. Okay. So I'm going to take a quarter. Can I just take a big gulp of my martini? It's like the same thing. Whatever you want to do. Fucking fuck.

I also wanted to say, I don't know if I've ever been on a podcast before. What? Right? I don't know. Whose podcast have I been on? Stoss? No. I've never been on a podcast before.

Honestly, though. Public announcement I wanted to start maybe getting on some podcasts, but I couldn't have done that without going on yours first. Well, yeah, now you're on mine. So honestly, that's. how it should be, though. Yeah, duh. Okay. Kylie Kristen Jenner. Why are you scared? It's fine. Whatever you don't want to talk about we're not talking about. Okay. I'm just so drunk. Discuss your Roman Empire. Like, what do you think about way too much? What is something, it could be the most, like, I think about the color pink all the time, whatever it is. What is something that you think about all the time? Aliens, maybe. Yes. Talk to me. Yeah. Probably. What about? I just have this like. Kylie, you and I at this moment just, we got so much deeper. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, we just. We relate about this a lot. I just. Love you more and more every day. I don't know what it is ever since I was a child. I think it's because the first scary movie I've ever seen was signs. What the fuck is signs? Signs, bitch. I don't know. With Joaquin Phoenix. I don't know if I know. I have to see.

Maybe if I show you a photo, but that was the first scary movie I ever saw. And it just gave me this, like, intense fear of aliens. And that would just be something that I think about a lot. Do you think that they're, so are you afraid of them now? Yes. So I want to reassure you. If aliens were to land on Earth, like, I would, I don't know what I would have to just. Kylie, they are among us.

I know. Have to be afraid. Dr. Stephen Greer already said that the government, thank you, that they're going to stage an alien invasion. So don't believe the hype. You said they are. They are. Dr. Stephen Greer said they are. He said the government is going to try to instill fear in everyone. They're going to stage an alien invasion. So, bitch, I'm good. Okay, when you can't fall asleep at night, what is your go-to scrolling app? Tick-Tock. What are you looking up or you're just like mindlessly? I'm just on there for you. page. Yeah. And what is like your algorithm? It's really, it's a lot of animals. Okay. Wait, wait. Cut two. How many animals do you have? So I just got two cats and I have lots of dogs. I lost count. Yeah. You've a ton of dogs. But my TikTok scroll is like animals, like funny videos of like chickens and roosters. I was going to say any of chickens. Lots of cats. I have chickens too. Lots of cats and what else is on my for you page? like people falling and stuff that's random and that is random um how many group chats do you think

you have i i feel like i only speak in group chats oh really yeah okay so i feel honored when i have an individual conversation with you yes okay i'm like oh this is serious of chloe's texting me on the side yeah yeah fuck yeah i want to know what are some of your memories of us growing up in the same house. Like, they could be the most random, like, I don't know. What are, like, the things that come to mind? Okay. Do you want to know some of my earliest memories with you?

I do. Okay. We were at the Hidden Hills house, and I remember you were, it was my birthday. Okay. And we were by the window. I just remember, this was like a very early memory. So I just remember we were by a window, by the backyard. And you were asking, you were telling me how old.

I was turning. And I think I was like four or something. Shut up. Yes. And you were like, hold up your fingers and you were helping me hold my fingers up. Kylie, there's no way you remember this. Are you going to cry? No, I need to hear the rest. I cried. Wait.

Are you okay? Are you okay? I see your eyes watering. No, mine are glossy from alcohol. Yours are glossy from tears. There's a difference. Oh, sweet. And then I remember This is a little scarier Oh I just remember when you got in your car crash

Wait And you were like laying in your bed with a neck brace And I remember These are not the same story by the way No this is a different time Okay so then So the first memory is That's so sweet of me

You were four And you were holding up my fingers To tell me how old old I was. That's so nice of me. I'm going to cry just because you're crying. I mean, the martinis do this to me. I don't know why.

Okay. And then pause. Pause. Another memory. Memory is. I remember you, I remember. I think my, when my parents, you know, my mother and my father. Mm-hmm.

I know them. And they were like, Chloe, they kind of, I remember they like explained to me kind of what happened. And then I went in to see you and you were like laying in bed with a neck brace. Am I wrong? No, you're not. Yeah. So at 16 years old, I got into a really bad car accident where an older gentleman ran a red light. I spun out. I went through my car windshield. I had to be removed from the car with the jaws of life, is what it's called. I've had three knee surgeries from it. I was in a neck brace. I had like third degree burns. Your head went through the windshield. Yes. My head went through the windshield. And my dad always said, and I remember it was on cold water right before Ventura.

My dad's office. I never knew where it was. I know exactly where it is. If I drive by it, I'm like, oh, I literally start like tensing up because I'm like, pay attention, look all around you. And I remember the stop sign, the man rolled to hit me. So it was a stop sign. Yes.

So Ventura was there and then right below it was like a stop sign. and to my right, because I was driving to my dad's office, and my dad's office was, there was a Jerry's deli and a pins bowling alley, and my dad had an office right before. And I had a Mercedes and my on star immediately called my dad's office. And Kim answered because she was his secretary. And it said, airbag went off, whatever it says. And Kim ran down and I kept saying, Mom, Mom. And I have no recollection of that at all. Kim would always say that. And they cut my jeans. And it was the only, I was a little chubbier, so it was the only pair of jeans that fit me. And I kept saying, these are the only, Kim told me this.

These are the only genes that work. Don't do that to me. Oh, wow. And I went straight to surgery that day for my knee. But, and I had some memory loss from that incident. And yeah. And that was horrible. And then I was put in a neck brace.

I had a knee brace from my ankle to my upper thigh for like three months. And mom made me go on a date with someone. in that time and I was the way I walked into the date. Her and Gunner put me in a date with someone. It was like the meanest thing to do. I remember you healing at home. I remember that was like very significant. Yeah, that was that was and you and mad with your neck brace. That wasn't great, but I'm alive and praise God. Praise God. I'm all about routines that make me feel confident. Skin care, workouts, hair and yes, even fresh breath. Because let's be on. Confidence starts before you even say hello. You need to upgrade your mouthwash. Smart mouth is the

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have an account, like you had to sit Kendall and I down, talk to us about the dangers of social media. You needed our password. And if you guys change your passwords, I would have always say I'm coming to find you and I'm taking them off your like whatever you're not allowed to have them because if you violated not giving me the password. Yeah. And you guys were so good. Yeah, we were. Yeah. I think that saved me from a lot of things probably. I didn't even have the thought that I can do anything bad on social media because I really felt like you were watching. That and then just like if I would get in trouble, you would take the home phone away from my bedroom yeah you were definitely like I respected you I don't know who I would have been I don't know

who I would have been today if you weren't there I remember like the discipline disciplinary in my life yeah and I love that but we also had such a great relationship like I remember when you told me the first person that you had like a real serious relationship with and I remember like you would talk about it so freely. I remember exactly where I was. I was actually on the freeway. You called me and you told me all these intimate things. And I remember like, okay, I had to put the phone down and be like, okay, we just turned a corner. Like thinking to myself, she's not a little girl anymore, but I had to like be cool. Okay. And not like, don't blow it. Chloe, like let her still tell you things. But I was driving to a basketball game, I think. And I just remember like telling

myself, okay, be cool. This information isn't great, but now she's like dating people. We're okay. We're okay. And I just remember, and you would always come to me with problems and I took such pride in that. Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. Well, because I literally was like, don't freak out. It's okay. Do you remember the first time you've ever, like, lied to me? I don't really know if you and I have a lying relationship. We don't really have a lying relationship. But anytime I would even attempt to, I feel like you would catch me in a lie, like, immediately. I feel like we're both not good liars. I was way too afraid to lie to you. Yeah. And you're just, we don't have a lying family, really. Yeah. Like, I feel like we're,

we would just avoid as opposed to lie. Yeah. If that makes sense. I agree. Oh, yeah. Fuck it up, Kylie. Cheers to that. Cheers. We've already cried. We've laughed. What was our bonding experience like? like being pregnant. I don't think we ever expected to be pregnant at the same time. Never. In a million years. No. Going from you helping me count my birthday on my fingers to being pregnant together. So I think that we embraced it. I think we were, we were, yeah, we did. I remember, like, respectfully, I think Kim was first. And she was a surrogate. So she wasn't, We really took her shine away really bad.

We did. And I remember how jealous she was that you and I were pregnant together. Oh, yeah, because then she was like, fuck, why did I? Like, why wasn't I pregnant with you? Because it just would have been like, what an experience? Yeah. And then you were pregnant. I had not a clue, obviously.

I was pregnant three months after you. And I remember having the barbecue at moms. You couldn't be there. You were sick from pregnancy. And you were in bed. And when we FaceTimed you, you were like, stop. Are you pregnant? And I remember saying yes.

And it was like never in a million years. I think that you and I did photo shoots together and so many amazing things. But never in a million years would I think that. I know. And God has such a way. And having our sons together. Having our sons together. It's the best thing ever.

And Kylie is really one of the main reasons why I felt so safe and comfortable having Tatum. Because Kylie was like, come on. Ayr is six months older than Tatum. And when I was like crying and like, why is this happening? I can't believe it's happening a second time. And you were like, but God makes no mistakes and this is supposed to happen. And now our sons get to grow up together. And we in Stormy and True.

And now we have Tatum and Air. And you were so right. Well, who could have planned it better? God. You know? That's it. It's crazy. It is crazy.

It really is crazy. And they have each other. Thank God. Because who would Air be with? I don't know. No. Who would Tatum be with? I don't know.

Right. It's crazy. They're so cute. And we have to keep them like nice and sensitive because when they're together, they like, I just sent Chloe a video like two days ago. They went to Disneyland and they were like in the cart, like holding hands like this. They love each other. They were like this around Disneyland looking and enjoying the experience.

I want them to like be sensitive and close. And they love each other. Yeah, they do. What surprised you most? about becoming a mom. I don't think you realize how selfish you are, like even the little things until you have kids, like leaving the house. Just leaving the house. Like even just going to a friend's house. It could be nothing. You can't do those things anymore. Yeah. So I think just little things like that, but also I was really scared the first time I was really young. I also think that maybe

people don't fully know about you is that since you were little, you were the biggest nurturer. And Kylie had a dog named Dolce. And I think you got this dog at seven, maybe younger, but around seven. We were in Sherwood, so probably younger. Like maybe six. Maybe six or seven. And the way Kylie was obsessed with this animal and the way like normally kids are like I want a dog I want a dog and they're cool for like two weeks and then the kid like it's the parent's responsibility this dog was Kylie's baby I couldn't have sleepovers because I was so obsessed with the dog and it was instead of calling your parents when you're out of sleepover like mom I miss you it would be like how's Dolce is Dolce okay I have to come home yes so I think innately Kylie has had this maternal instinct her entire life and even if people saw it or they didn't see it like so obviously a dog and a human are two different things but you've always had these progressional steps that were so natural to you and you had this maternal instinct even with your friends and you're silly and fun and all of that but the mom gene i don't think there was a lot that needed to change you

because you were just like okay whenever it happens i'm ready like i i can lock in yeah And you do. You lock in. Thank you, babe. Cheers. Oh. Fuck you. I mean, I'm still going. You better fucking go.

What are the difference of these brushes? You know what I wish you would do? What? I wish because, like, for idiots like me who doesn't know makeup, you see how it says Kylie Cosmetics, I wish this said like blush brush. I don't give a fuck about your number. No, I love that. Thank you for the feedback.

Like contour. I also don't want to. Eyeshadow. But I don't want to limit it. too. Okay. But on the website it says more information. I just, I'm not like, I'm not, oh, okay, I was going to use that for blood. This is the blush brush. This, okay, I need some blush. But you can use it for anything. Like, this is my skin tint brush, but I use it for contour. I'm just not like a makeup. This is the concealer brush. You don't use this? I have it. This is the best thing ever.

No, no, no. This is the best brush ever for concealer. I just need something. I wish these said, like specifics. That's just my wish. And you could customize it just for me. How do you balance maintaining your personal identity while being a parent? I think I have a really good balance. You have a great fucking balance. I have a really good balance. I think that I definitely still feel like myself.

It was really hard for me having kids so young and you're just the emotions and the postpartum. And probably being the only one in your circle. The only one. Iris. That's Iris and I became a lot closer. She's a little bit older than me. We had kids together also. Iris was on the pod. She was on the pod. But I think I did a pretty good job. I think it just takes time. He did a great job. Yeah. But I do wonder. It took me like a year probably after both times to really feel like myself again. I think that's normal. Yeah. I think it just takes a minute to like get your fucking mojo back. No, it does. Has being a mom changed how you think about your own. own childhood or how you view mom? Yes.

In what ways? I think that I can relate to her more. I understand maybe some of the decisions that she made. For sure, it's changed my whole relationship with my mom. It's interesting because in interviews, if someone asks me, like, has being a mom changed the way you view mom? And I say significantly. And I say I almost am jealous of Kylie, forget.

getting to have, because I think when you become a mom, you have so much more empathy for your own mother. Like you understand, wait, we're just humans. Yeah. And she's doing the fucking best she knows how to do. Just because you're a mom or a doctor, we put so much, like, power with these people. And, like, there's still normal human beings that, like, yes, we view them as superheroes, but doesn't necessarily mean they are. And they're just, like, our mom had us in her young 20 or had the older ones in the young 20s and then if she makes mistakes that's okay we're allowed to give her grace and forgiveness and so the fact that you get that understanding so young your relationship with mom gets to be so close from such an early age where I feel like mom

and I butted heads a lot when I was a teenager when I was a teenager too though really like before I moved out the house I couldn't wait to get the fuck out of there I feel like you and mom you were like always a mommy's girl. No, her nickname, me and Stoss lived, Stoss lived with me, basically. Her nickname was Dark Shadows. And every time she would walk in the door, we'd be like, dark fucking shadows is home. Like, we, like, I had such a hard time. We, but it had, shouldn't understand. I mean, you know me as a human being. I'm very type. Her name was, what? Satan. Yeah, exactly. But I'm very type B. Yeah, no, there's no A. There's no A in here. I'm like messy but in a very like I know where everything is it's just how my brain works like if if there's a mess and someone moves my mess you guys I know where I know during the fires okay Kylie was nice enough she we were getting evacuated hidden hills the podcast we had to even I think prolong our start of our podcast because the fires Kylie was nice enough she was like come evacuate me Scott all the kids We were all at Kylie's- Are you going to talk shit about your evacuation place? No, no, no, I'm not. We're all at her other home in Beverly Hills. And Kylie's like, are you good? Are you coming to Palm Springs? Like, yes, we're going tomorrow. Thank you so much for letting us be here. And she's like, are you, are you? Kylie said, are you going crazy? And I was like, why? And she's like, because all the piles of things everywhere. And I was like, well, now that you offered that, yes, it's a little crazy. And she said, Chloe, I'm. just a go with the flow type of girl. I don't want to stress up things. And I was like, okay, she was so like, like just laxadaisical. I was so envious. It wasn't even like,

shit was everywhere. You were just like, there's a method to this. Be cool. And I was not cool. Okay. I couldn't handle it. And you were so great. And I was like, and the fact that even let us all come over there, that alone would have freaked me out. You know, mom would have been like the hotel is full just even if it was empty just because she's like no one it was like you and scott right me scott cc la la all of our kids um rob and dream i didn't even know you guys were all i mean i told everyone you can absolutely go but i was out of town and i didn't yeah no you were fine but you were so chill and you were like are you going nuts i was like yeah because it was right after christmas i was in your bed but my room by the way we're making a

seem like my room is like a tornado. It's just like, you know, I have books and I have my crystals and I have my stacks. And it was right after Christmas. Yeah. So the presents and they was like, but to you it's org, I was like, do you want me to help you put this away? You're like, no. I know where everything is. And I'm like, it was great. And my closet, I don't know what to do about my closet. It's like. No, but you're moving so. I know. I know. So it'll be a fresh start. What do you think our different parenting styles are? Because I think you and I are somewhat. Similar? Or no? Am I crazy? No, we are similar. Yeah. I feel like we are. I think you are, well, you're the best mom. Thank you. So are you though. Thank you. I think you're a little more, uh, rigid.

Mm-hmm. Regimented. Yep. Better word. Yeah. Than rigid. You are very like, they need to be asleep at this time or like my day. Like it's the, the world has ended. You know, where I'm a little like, it's like fine. We're at Disneyland. Like, they can stay 30 more minutes. You're very. Listen, I let Tatum go to Disneyland the other day with air. But even now, not having to.

I know he didn't. He didn't take a nap. I'm like, wow. I wasn't even going to say anything to you. It was a big day. But he's like seven. And he was a demon. He's seven.

He's three. When he came home, he was like, don't you talk to me? I was like, oh my gosh. Tatum, is that you? Well, because you haven't. Because he's never not had a nap. Tatum needs his nap. Tatum was a lunatic. My son, Air, hasn't had a nap in like a year. Air has lost his nap. Yes, for a few months now. Kylie, that's major. They're going to be in preschool next year. True. No, it's happening soon. Air is also six months older than Tatum. That's true. It's a big difference. And Tatum was out of the movie.

of The Exorcist when I saw him after Disneyland. I was like, I need... But they got to go on more rides and he's not going to remember. Oh, I was so tired. No, he's coming home from Disney. He's going to remember the rides. Begging for his nap. I said, you will not have a nap.

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about to turn 13 and i knew that i didn't have as much time with him but but how crazy with the king kiley anniversary of it all it's like he made it to king kiley but that was definitely the pit of my day the peak the week the peak would be besides being here thank you it would be i think I'm my King Kylie collection launching because I've been preparing for that for like years. No, fuck it. And 10 years of any brand, anything, store, anything being in existence, that's fucking, that's iconic. Yeah. So it's like a dream.

I didn't think this far, but it's pretty amazing. How could you? You were so young starting this from your, you were at mom's house, like this is what I want to do. And you did it. And look at you. It's amazing. Thank you. Speaking of King Kylie, we have pop star Kylie. Yeah. Okay. How does it feel to be pop star Kylie? I send you so many TikTok. Okay. So all I do is send, I've sent you like 20 TikToks that I'm ignored on that Kylie. Wait. You send me TikToks like on TikTok? No, I don't know how to do that. Just to your text. I don't look at those. Obviously, but you look at your text messages. Yeah. It's fine. I'm not offended. Okay.

Whatever. And they're all about the fourth strike song and people dancing to them. They have choreography. Oh, yeah, you do. I did ignore that last one. But only because I've seen it already. And I was like, oh, you have. Good.

Yeah. I just, I don't care if you acknowledge me. I'm like, you should like hype them up. I think it's so cute. How does that feel? It feels really good because I had zero expectation. I didn't expect really like, I mean, I loved it. I was proud of it.

I thought it was amazing. But I didn't really do it for. to get a number one song or like I wasn't yeah I tried and I put you know all the love and the best I could do but I wasn't expecting anything so anything extras feels really good it's just like creative freedom and to have fun well you know it was on my vision board what to record a song I love that yeah and when do you make last December I do them with iris every year like around New Year's. We just do it when our schedule is aligned. Iris, I feel like anything she puts on those boards. She's such a good manifester. She's such a good fucking manifester. It's crazy. Anything she puts on

those fucking boards. We did a vision board. And honestly, I haven't done one in a few years since then, but everything on my vision board has like come true. Okay, then we got to do another one. That's what I'm saying. Now I'm like in a dream even bigger. I have some, I have some thoughts for my vision board. Okay. I want you to put them on the vision board. I'm not. I'm not going to tell you to talk about them, but I need to be a part of this. Yeah. I need to do this, too. We should.

But yeah, I did record a song, like, get out of your comfort zone. Did you put acting on there? Because I mean, you're acting, girl. I did. You did? Well, I didn't put acting, but I put more general, like, do things that you're afraid of. Do things outside of your comfort zone. What are the two things that you're most afraid of?

um career wise acting and singing okay and you did both this year wow oh my god for the for the charlie movie coming out i was chloe why i i was so scared for for days like to actually do it i had a very small part i mean i had a lot of lines but i was i was just so afraid i think i'm so used to i think I used to do a lot more things out of my comfort zone, and now I'm used to, like, being very sheltered, staying in my, in, like, a, you know, safe box for me. I relate to that a lot. Yeah, just like my safe space to not be, it's probably the reason why I don't share as much, just to not be judged or criticized or years of that takes a toll on you.

And I think at a certain point, you're like, okay, I'm going to do A, B, and C to just protect myself. I'm like so drunk. No, everything I'm saying, I like mean, but I'm like, wow, I'm going to look back on this and be like, yours is not okay. But, and then, so I just, I don't even remember what I was talking about. Anyway, I was very scared to do this and very proud of myself when I did it. I'm so proud. I remember when you did it.

Yeah. I'm so proud of you. Who do you turn to for acting? I don't know if it's advice or just support or like, do you? give you that confidence that you need? I think, well, before I officially, it was right around when Jesus passed. So I felt like I committed to it. And then I was like, wow, I'm in a really bad place. And I just don't know in a month from now if I'll be okay to do this. I think it was like a month away. And but I still, you know, I was like, I know the director obviously, Aiden, so I was

like, in contact with him. And I'm like, I really want to do it. I hope that I'm in a better place. like just give me a chance like I'll get it together and then closer to I actually called Kim and I was just like I know you're like in your acting bag right now and I just need a little like encouragement at some advice and I read the lines to her like how I would say it and she was like you're saying it perfect you got this this is so easy what's your role or do you not want to give it away I'm myself cute I can't tell you anything other than that but basically it's major obviously Obviously. Do you want to continue acting?

I get in your acting bag. I would do it if it was like the right thing. It was the right thing, the right role. Okay. I would. I don't think I'm so, I would love to do something that was like, I think I'm, I think I'm hilarious. You are. So I would want to do something that was like funny or, I don't know.

I think it would have to just be the right thing. What is your go-to TV show? I'm watching TASC right now. What the fuck is that? Oh my God, you're such a loser. I'm such a loser with TV. So tell me, what are you watching? No, honestly.

It's fine. Wait, let me just see. Because I'm watching Love is Blind and when I get home later, I get to watch the wedding episodes. Have you watched them? I haven't gotten into the recent season. What? Okay, so maybe I'll get into that after, but I'm watching Task right now and I'm really into it. What is Task about?

task is about I'm like bleeding. You're bleeding? Look at my big toe. So. I have to peeve so badly and I'm just like holding on. Take a pee break. I need a sec.

I need to react. We are back. What are some of your silly and superstitious rituals you do? Because you are superstitious. Sorry. I'm applying my lip blinger. That's okay. Okay.

wouldn't you consider yourself superstitious? I think so. I just believe in like whatever you believe in. Yeah, so what are three things you believe in? Like, I don't know. What are you trying to say? I'm trying to say that, well, one thing. Like you love crystals. I love, I loved crystals. I still love crystals. Got it. Okay. But I wouldn't say like I, I don't really like leave them out in the moonlight and the sun and charge them and the whole thing. But yes, I used to be obsessed. Okay. So no superstitions? I don't think so. I think I just don't really speak anything into existence that I, I will keep things inside my deepest fears in my head because I won't think of them. I mean, I won't say them out loud to other people. I will say that's the

smartest thing you could do. I don't care what you believe in. The tongue is so powerful. I agree. And whether we sing it in a song or whatever, that shit comes true. Your body doesn't know if you're fucking singing a song. Yeah. It comes true. I do believe in that. Period. When do you mute our family group chat?

Like at what point? You're not muted now because I got a new phone. You were always muted. Oh, this. Just because sometimes when you guys are just, sometimes we will be having separate conversations on the chat. And it's like, I don't really need to hear this right now. This has nothing to do with me. But so far, I mean, so far, no muting.

Yeah, has happened. Your boundaries, I don't know, 10 years ago to now, have they changed? My boundaries, personally? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Right. And do you think, like, I remember how much we all used to get on court for like the trigger word of boundaries. Yes. But now, like, especially that I'm older and, like, I have kids,

I'm like, I'm eating my words. Like, I love a boundary. Yeah. Do you love a boundary? I do love a boundary. Of course. What's your favorite boundary? That I have for myself, personally. Mm-hmm. Like, my kid's personal life, I guess. I will say you in court are the best at having whatever boundaries that are. They're very different, you in court, but what your boundaries are, just abide by them. Yeah. Like I love that you guys aren't like sometimes I get frustrated. I'm like, come on or whatever.

But I respect how you guys just stick to that. And you're like, no, I'm not bending for anyone. And you don't feel guilty about it. I wish I didn't feel guilty about everything. I feel guilty about everything. When you're spiraling, who do you text first? When I'm spiraling. Well, I'll call you a lot when I'm spiraling.

I love that. I do. I really love that. The last call was fun. Yeah. What was that? The hair. Oh, yes. My daughter True had a really high temperature. I posted about it last Christmas and it like was so, so, so sad. True had 107 fever. Crazy. So crazy. I never knew that if you had such a high fever for that long, months later, three months later, it will cause significant. hair loss. True lost about between 50 to 60% of her hair in volume. She still is hair. We took her to the doctors. It was the most terrifying thing. Kylie and I really were able to talk about Stormy had an interesting hair situation. And hair trauma is a big thing. I think when it happens to you as an adult, you're like, okay, this sucks. I can process this. Hair will go back. I'll get some whatever extensions. When it happens to your kid, it sucks. It sucks. And you have to stay strong so they don't realize there's a problem. Of course. And that's the hardest part. Yeah. I think that's the hardest part. I really do. How are you letting loose and finding your happiness these days?

Like what makes you happy? I have never been happier. I love that. Thank you. And what makes you so happy just all the stars are aligning all the stars are aligning and yeah i don't know i mean there's a lot that i think it's just also growing up i think and finding yourself and um and certain things surrounding yourself with the right people everything how do you feel about kennel turning 30 Kendall turning 30 really scares me. Why? I don't like it at all. But why don't you like it?

Because you know you're next. Yeah. Yeah, I figured. Every time she gets to an age, I'm like, damn, shit. I'm going to be there soon. Not that I don't feel, by the way, I feel like 45. What? Yes.

What do you mean? I mean, I have two kids. I like have a million jobs. I have a business that just turned 10 years old. Like, of course I feel 45. What do you mean? That is so weird to me. Really?

Yeah. Don't you feel like I am that bitch? I have two kids. I have a business that was 10 years old. I can't still feel like that bitch. No, I'm not. I'm that bitch and I'm 41. Exactly.

But I'm just saying when you're not 45 and you have all those things. Like most people don't come into their own until their 40s, sometimes 50s. No shame in that. You are that bitch. Okay. What was that? Under 20? Yeah.

I feel very young, but I feel very mature at the same time. I can get that. So. I also think maybe because of that, do you get enough grace when you do have like, like a wild night out? I guess you guys don't. I think you and Kendall have always been really aware. I got it out during COVID. I will say I got it out.

What I was going to say is I think when you guys. turned of age, society sort of changed a little bit where like the club life, the going out life wasn't what it was when I was 21. So when you guys went out, maybe it was more private. But let's just say a bad photo of you guys like stumbling out of a location, which is normal. We've all been there, came out. Like, especially if you're a mom and like you're like having a fun night out, other moms do it. Do you feel like you get as much great? Like a pass. Like you're a business owner. You're responsible. I think I do. Good. I hope you do. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's rare to find us like, I can't remember the last. But I do think I get enough grace. Yeah. I don't really pop out like that. Let's be real. No, I know. But why don't any of us pop out like that? Because times are changing or because the eyes that are on us? I think I would just rather rather not. Because I do feel like we get down and dirty at one of our houses.

It's not like I'm dying to pop out. Exactly. No, but we're not like dying to pop out. Oh, I'm missing out on so much. I just, I would rather just not do that. Yeah. You want to go to one out tonight or something? I do think times are just changing. Well, no, it's not even open anymore. You know that. I just learned that like two seconds ago. I'm like, where have I been? Sometimes I drive in the streets and I'm like, where did this restaurant come from? And this, that's how much I just don't know what's going on out there. I think you just broke my heart a little bit. One oak is gone. It's gone. It's something else. That's sad. I know.

What is your idea of a perfect Sunday? Perfect Sunday is in the backyard, in the sun all day with my kids, taking a walk, doing a puzzle, maybe a glass of wine at night. A lot. No gluten all day. No gluten. Oh, my. You are getting nasty right now. No gluten, but maybe like a gluten-free cookie.

at night you better calm down you need to really take a chill if you're like my good like glasses of wine white or red however I'm feeling are you a red or white lately I'm a white I know what it kind of you know like what white the white kind of just gets me going no but Santa Margarita Santa Margarita yeah talk to me dirty say it to me say it Santa Margarita Ii popi okay In an alternate universe, what would you be doing if you weren't you? I would be a, I would be something super major. Okay. I would be like maybe the best makeup artist in the world.

You fucking would. I fucking would. You fucking would. I would be the best makeup artist. Fun fact. I don't, I'm sure you remember this. So Kylie, it's just not meant to be that Kylie ever does my makeup. Okay.

We have tried. I know at least two different occasions over the past 10 years. One of them, Kylie and I were going to film. We had apps together. You came to my house in the Oaks. We were about to film and mom got in a car accident. Oh, my God, yes. There was two other times that you were supposed to do my makeup on camera. Every time something crazy happened where you weren't able to do my makeup. up. So my point is, I don't know what my point is. I think I forgot because I'm drunk. But I'll do your makeup at any time. Literally call me. Okay. I don't know why I brought that up. But anyways, crazy. Truth or dare? Okay. Will you pick? Oh. Haven't played this in a while. Truth. First DM you ever sent to someone you didn't know. Oh, I know this one. You do? What is it? I send a DM. I'm not going to say who.

Stop. I'm dying already. To a guy for my for Stoss. Okay. So it was like not for me at all. I've never DMed a guy. What'd you say? But you know, I was pressured.

Stoss was like, I like this guy. I love this man. I'm obsessed. I don't know how to get to him. Text him my page. I mean, DM him my page. And I was like. Whatever, that's my girl. What am I supposed to do? And did you do it?

I did. No response. I want to call Stoss right now from your phone and be like Kylie's in jail. Oh my God, do it. Wait, what do we say? Okay, you're going to say. No, I need a prank. Okay, okay, I agree. What is the prank?

Wait, you want to know, it'll be so funny. Obviously. Okay, I've been wanting to do this for a while. Stop. Yeah. Tell me now. There's like a, there's a TikTok trend where you, we're like, People will call their friend and be like, did you mean to fucking post that on Instagram?

Okay. I don't think it's funny. But I said that or you say that. Like imagine we face it on Kim, we're like, all you say is. Oh, Kim would cry. Did you mean to fucking post that on Instagram? Try Kim. It's just you not me.

It's just me. Just you. But I don't want to even see me because then she'll see that. No, so just call her. I'm going to face it. No. She can't see anything. I'm just can't see that I'm like a lit and perfect.

So. Wait, did you mean to post that on Instagram? What? What you just fucking posted? What did I post? Well, look on Instagram. I'm just like, you should probably delete them. What?

What is it? I don't see anything. That pick of you. What pick? What pick, Kylie? I don't see anything. We're just kidding. You're on the podcast.

I'm like, I'm like, what? I was literally going to go to my phone. I'm like, what? Okay, it's called mom. Oh my God. Mom doesn't post. I know, but... Wait, did you mean to post that on Instagram?

What? What, you just posted on Instagram. I didn't do anything. What? That picture of you. No. It's like a selfie of you in the mirror and you're like not clothed. What? Show me. Tell me right now and get it down.

You've got to be fucking kidding. What am I wearing, Kylie? Just be honest with me. Uh, well, I see your fucking boob. Shit. I'm calling Jen. Gotta go. Bye. I feel so bad. Jen is going to get yelled at. Jen, tell her back. Jen's going to get yelled at. It's not bad.

Well, no, I feel bad. She's not responding. Okay, let's call Kendall. I love this. Wait, did you mean to post that on Instagram? Kylie, don't do this to me The photo is weird Kylie, don't do this to me Kylie, do you think I'm... Why are you a legend? Why are you a legend?

The smartest person you've ever met? We're just kidding me. Mom, it was a joke. I texted you was a prank. We text you. What? It wasn't a prank. You guys just lost my mind. I'm sorry. Riley. Oh my God. I just was shaking. I was shaking. I'm thinking, how can I, I'm getting old. How could I be so stupid? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm turning into MJ.

Wait, did you mean to paste that on Instagram? What? What you just posted? You're such a liar. Is this a prank? How do you know? Your heart dropped a little bit. Landon was like, you got scared for a second. I definitely did. How did you know? You and Kendall are like, cool as a cucumber. Mom and Kim are like, yeah. And then didn't call us back for five minutes. And we were trying to call her to tell her it was a joke. And then she called us back five minutes later and was like, I can't find it. I can't find it. I'm like, we're kidding. Wait, you know, mom. Yes. Oh my goodness. No, you guys. You guys had me for a second. For a millisecond. That, yeah, that's a good one. Did you know Cort and I had a great chat and her and I are amazing? Oh, good. I know.

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Go to armor.com slash Chloe or enter Chloe to get 30% off your first subscription order. That's a.m.R.m.R.a.com slash Chloe. Okay. We have one last card. And that's it. Never have I ever. Okay. Let's get crazy. Please. Never have I ever ignored a sister's call on purpose. Do I have to sip? Just a little. So I have. Well, you're going to have to sip probably the whole thing. Okay. Googled yourself on purpose.

Well, yeah. I did that today. Blame something I did on another sibling. Yes. Okay. I'm not drinking anymore. Yeah, you're going to be drunk. Okay.

I've done that. Faked crying to get something I wanted. I mean, no. Maybe when I was like three. Okay. Well, you still do it. Okay. Have you ever been pulled over and got yourself out of?

of a ticket with an excuse. And if so, what was the excuse? No. I haven't been pulled over in a really long time. Me neither. And when I did get pulled over, it was for the tents on my car. Same. Anyway, what do you want to ask me? We're done here. I want to ask you. Anything you want to know about me. Why did you name it Chloe in Wonderland? Because my name is Chloe. That's number one. And Wonderland is like, like Alice in Wonderland, you're falling down the rabbit hole. I like the strangest of topics from aliens to self-help people, like from Dr. Amen to aliens. So there's not, it's not

one category. Every episode will be a totally different thing. And I want people to go down the rabbit hole with me. I like that. And you're just in a wonderland. I want us to always wonder, are you a flat earther or a round earther? I'm a round-earther, I think. But honestly, I haven't had much thought or much research about it. I'm a round-earther and then Rob sends me all these things about flat earthers. And I'm like, do I think anything's possible? Yes. Same. I do think anything's possible. I believe in mermaids. I'd rather not worry about it. Well, it's not a worry of mine, too. Yeah. I agree. I'd rather like just live in Wonderland. Exactly. I would. Do I believe anything's possible? 100%. Do I care enough

No. I'm surviving. We've all survived here for thousands of years. Yeah. Whatever the earth is. Whatever it's shaped like. We're good. What are we going to do? Kylie. You're my bitch forever and always. What are we going to do? What is the next step for Kylie? Like, not to scare you. Okay. But if Kendall is 30, that means Kylie will be 30 next. Okay. Just putting it up there. Yeah. Just like a fact is a fact. Okay. What do the things? What do the things? 30s look like for Kylie Kristen Jenner? The 30s look like my children will be 10 and That's crazy. Yeah, I'll have a 10 year olds. But I think my 30 is my goal

for the next year. I have I mean, Kylie Cosmetics is my baby. So let's like not age ourselves. Yeah. Kylie Cosmetics is my baby. I have some more goals, some more things that I want to do for her. I think that's my main focus. I would do another acting job if it was the right fit. Love.

And I do want to get back into the studio. I'm not saying I would release any new music, but I want to try. Because why not try? Why not enjoy life? Why not try and just enjoy life? I think that's what... Just try. I'm just so I'm going to end up.

But no, that's just my... I think no fucks, if no fucks were given before, no fucks are given now. Not a fuck. I love it. Insight. Not a fuck. No, I don't really care what people have to say.

I don't. Not a fuck. Yeah. Yeah. I think I've had goals and dreams in my life. And I just, why would I let anyone else's opinion stop me from living out any dreams that I have? Nope. you know what cheers to us

and welcome and thank you for being on Chloe and Wonderland I love you I'm so scared to see this episode