Khloé in Wonder Land - The Lord & The Lady ft. Scott Disick

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

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Lord Disick, I know you don't do podcasts. I would do anything for you though, Cliff. You are Father Extraordinaire. I do explain to Mason how drinking affected me. I'm not treating you any different because of my mistakes or how I live. But if I see a problem, I will take action. Do you remember when we wrestled? Crazy, drunk wrestled.

Oh, Paris. Courtney kicked you out of the car. He threw up on your driver. My mom was like, you are an car. He threw up on your driver. My mom was like, you are an embarrassment. That's how rumors get started. I don't know how many people remember this, but. Oh, shit. This is more than a show. It's a window into my world and the stories that make it meaningful. Welcome to Chloe in Wonderland. Number one, you are the very first person that is recording with me. No way.

In my podcast. Oh, I didn't know that. I don't know if it's going to be episode one. Oh, that's bullshit. It is bullshit. So I'm like the guinea pig? Yes. And then I'm not even the first step?

Well, I don't know. Oh, because you probably get somebody more famous than me and then it's them. No, it just depends what you give me today. That's horse manure. Well, hey, let's see what you got. I'll give you everything I've always wanted to give you. But thank you. I know you don't do podcasts. I would do anything for you, though, Chloe. Thank you. You know that? Have you ever done a podcast?

No. Shut up. I was asked to do one, though, the other day when I was in Vegas. These guys who have a podcast asked me to do one and I just said yeah. And you didn't? You just bailed? I didn't do it. It's a good one though and I would if I did them.

Why didn't you do it? I don't know. I just feel like if it's not within our family the last thing I want to be asked is about our family. Get it. And then maybe I answer something a little bit weird and then i have 87 fucking people writing me on the group chat how could you say this or that like i

don't want our group vicious like imagine if they were like so is chris jenner really what she's like in real life and i'm like yeah she's lovely and then they turn it around somehow and what she's like in real life? And I'm like, yeah, she's lovely. And then they turn it around somehow. And then she's like, so you don't think I'm lovely? I just, I don't, I don't want all that stress. It's a lot of stress. It's a lot of pressure. And I've been in like interviews where I'm like, you could just ask about me. And then it turns immediately. I had something happen recently. I was doing a car segment and they told me they were going to ask me just about my vehicles and i'm into cars right and i sit down in a chair in my house and i thought it was about the cars and his first question is about you and lamar and i was like what about

sort of i was like is this a tell-all? What the fuck? Like, what a throwback couple. But right, I'm like, what's going on here? So it was a total decoy to try to, like, get me to talk about intense shit. So I had to stop. What year was this? Recently? Like, fuck, a few months ago.

That was probably the last time I've done an interview. And that was kind of like, this is exactly why I don't do interviews. And it's scary. And I think with podcasts, anything. Even doing this, it was really intimidating for me because people will twist your words around. It's not the same how it was years ago. No. Now anything you say can be used against you or it's not politically correct.

And I know how you and I talk. Sometimes it's not politically correct and i know how you and i talk sometimes it's not politically correct yeah no it's and we're not trying to offend anybody but we're just used to being who we are and being normal being normal but the new normal is fucking bizarre yeah it's everything is twisted upside down even when I'm with me sometimes and he's looking at insta tiktok this one that one I'm like the information that they get so much more than we had like I remember it being hard to find a naked girl to jerk off to literally like when I was 14 I would have to find like a playboy somewhere. Well, do you remember going to your parents' house and looking? Was it your mom in Playboy?

No. What was she? No. She worked at a Playboy mansion. Okay. We were down in your basement. Oh, and she had the outfit, the Playboy. Bunny.

Bunny, yeah. And pictures, I remember. One of the. Bonnie the Bunny. Yeah, and I think in Manhattan, it was like one of Hefner's Playboy Mansion clubs. Yes, that's what it was. She wasn't a nude model. That's how rumors get started.

Yeah. So speaking of your kids, I think it's so crazy to think of when, I mean, I first met you. You really are, I would say, the king of reinvention. We have Lord Disick we have scott we have dickhead douchebag no just kidding oh then we have douche lord douche kebab you are i think father extraordinaire i do really like the father thing but it's crazy how many and i know that is a part of life the evolution of, the different chapters we have. But think about to when I first met you.

Oh, my God. We were kids. We were kids. I was really a child. How old were you when I first met you? Like 23 or 22. 22. And I was a young 22.

You think? I mean, I didn't come off that way. And I felt like I tried to overcompensate by trying to make pretend that I was mature and knew what I was doing. But I really didn't. Like, I was definitely like relying on my parents for things. And like, I wasn't like a big shot on my own, like running a business, knowing what I was doing. Like, it's definitely like calling home. Like, I probably need money to like take court on a date. Yeah, but isn't that how every 22-year-old is? Well, yes, but at the time, you know, your sister was older than me by five years. So, like, I was trying to be more mature than I really was, but I was a kid, you know. Like, it was my first, like, real relationship. And, you know, it progressed fast. And then we were living together.

That was, you know, my first time, I think, really living with someone. And it's so weird. I lived with you, too. I know, because Court and I were living together. And then you and Court met. And what's weird is, I don't know why I hated you so much from the start. Like, I didn't even give you... No, you did give me a chance. You think?

I felt like I was gung-ho and like this guy's a dick and I just don't like you. No. I did some things that weren't right. Maybe you just don't remember. Yeah. We were fine. Who? You and him? Yeah. There came a time where you were like, yo,

fuck you. Right, but I felt like I didn't like you from the get-go. No, it wasn't Who? You and him? At that point in my life. And I was. Like, when I look back, I'm like, I can't believe anybody tolerated that kind of shit. But it's also what made you you. Sure. And I also think the evolution of you and the growth of you is such a beautiful thing. I mean, I consider you one of my best friends and I love you so much. And I don't think we would be where we are now with the correct for no I believe that all of those situations yes for sure because the bad no we've got we went through a lot for sure a lot of ups and downs I think a lot of me not liking you

was yes what you did but also I felt like you were encroaching on my territory too I just thought you're being protective and being smart okay we. We could keep it there then. Sure. I was being smart. I like to hear that. I mean, you were honestly, you were just protecting your sister. And looking back, I would have probably done the same. I mean, the really amazing thing about our relationship, yours with the entire family, is that you were around before the show even started. Yeah, which I think is a nice thing. It's a great thing. I think it's an amazing thing. And just all of us on this journey together, I think is so special. And I don't think, I don't know how many people realize that you were on the show because there's new viewers of the show. I think the other shows definitely know.

Yeah, probably not. But what did your parents think? What did your friends think back at home about starting this venture with your girlfriend and her family and all of us? I mean, you remember my parents. They liked it. They loved it. Because they were just like, we hate that you live

in California, but if we can see you on TV, it's good enough for us. Because like, we didn't have FaceTime probably. Imagine if we had FaceTime when they were alive. I'd have been fucked. They would have called me 97 times a day on FaceTime. They already did

call you all the time. No, but not on FaceTime. Right. Because we didn't have that yet. Right. So I got... Isn't that crazy? No FaceTime? Yeah. No Instagram. There was none of that. They had some... They had like... My station's Twitter. They just had like the tabloids. Oh yeah. And that was none of that they had some they had like my they just they just had like the tabloids oh yeah and that was a problem yeah every day they're like you got Chloe pregnant I'm like yes dad I got Chloe pregnant it's like okay I'll call you later I'm like

you never got me pregnant but that's what they would say on the front of them yeah like every week it was a different sister I got pregnant I'm like where's the kids it's crazy when I so I did a poll like who do you guys want on my podcast and you were the number one person that got requested to be on my podcast and then my number one question was well I think there's two questions. Have you and I ever hooked up? Fuck yeah. No, we haven't. And I don't know if this was related to you and I, or just in general. Why aren't we married?

I don't know if that's like together, or just why aren't we married. Oh, why are we both not married? But I don't know which one it was. Or do they mean to each other? That's what I'm saying. I don't know. That's a huge difference.

Well, nobody specified who might. Well, how do we ask? The pollers? But I don't know. That's a huge difference. Well, nobody specified who might. Well, how do we ask? The pollers? But I don't care to give it a lot of attention. Right. That would be a little weird. But do you find it strange? I mean, for.

For that? No, no. I don't find that strange. For years, people have always ran with this narrative about either you hooking up with Kendall. I've always seen a lot it's either from the handle or me and i'm like i don't even know if you and kendall hang out that much because she's always just so busy it has any truth so they just run with anything you know what i mean just like oh look at their relationship they're close boom let's just say something ridiculous

it's so nasty yeah and then people with us because we get along well people are like they're soulmates like bro i have children with her sister yeah it's one that's soulmates it's i obviously say a lot of gross things that are probably too much but you know that's just who i am you know it's your humor but obviously i'm not serious like and, and I, I've even like, the fact that people think that is psychotic. But I guess if I was watching a show and I wanted to be entertainment, you know, I guess I would jump to those two. Like, oh my God. Well, the crazy thing is if we actually were together, we would be annihilated for it. So it's like people, do you know what I mean?

Like no one's ever happy. It would be pretty crazy. Well, yeah, like no one's ever it would be pretty crazy well yeah it's disgusting but I'm but it would be totally fine in like two weeks these days like after two weeks of like annihilation it would be like and it worked it's a while it's psychotic it's psychotic where was the turning point in our relationship that made because I don't remember exactly when I turned you around yeah like where it turned because I don't remember exactly. When I turned you around? Yeah, like where it turned because we had a rothy start and then once it turned good, I feel like we never got off that track.

Even if we don't agree on something, we don't ever like hate each other. Where before it was very apparent, our disdain for one another or how frustrated I was. Yeah. If we have a problem now, we like talk it through but what do you think like was the time I honestly think it was probably just me being a little bit better of like maturity or something or growing up a drop and you were like all right let me give them another chance and then we became friends and I think when we moved to the Hamptons, we became closer and we'd spend more time together again. I kind of think that it was that far. No, maybe not. Maybe not. No, it wasn't. It was way before that. I feel like maybe just when we moved out, like when I moved out and you and Court had your own space. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. Well, because when we lived together,

we really never saw you. So it wasn't like it really mattered. Okay. So something that you and I talk about a lot privately is the fame aspect. And I think it's easy for us to say, like people, this is an awkward, because you always want what you don't have. So people, when you complain about fame people like oh must be yeah yeah yada yada but what are for you what are the pros and cons to fame like how do you deal with it what do you think the only real pro is money right and then everything else is a con i agree but it you know i i see sometimes when people like will come up to me or something if I'm in public and like there's, let's say people asking me stuff or there's photographers and

they're like, how do you deal with this? And I always say, you know, you take the good with the bad, you go with the good and the bad with the bad. Like there's a price to pay for everything. You know, if I was working at Fortune 500, I'd be working my ass off and stressed out and be in an office all day and not be able to see my children as much. And I'd be stressed out to another level. But with this, you're just noticed wherever you are. And it can be frustrating and difficult. But, you know, it's just like any job. Like, there's perks and then there's the negatives. But you can also also like you and I feel like I've learned to navigate living our lives in a way where we don't really feel that famous

because we know where to go you know where to not not leave at certain times I know but isn't that sad how calculated we have to be in like there's no way you or I could just like be set up on a random date and like just like go to a random restaurant with somebody we don't know and go have a drink and be like oh I wanted to meet them and see what's up now that we are both parents what advice would you give your kids do you want them to be a part of this? I feel like it's up to them. Yeah. They don't seem very interested, but I remember Kylie and Kendall at their age not being interested at all and not wanting to do the show or be on the show or having any part of it. And at that time, I don't think they even knew what it was or what it was going to be. But they definitely were like, we're going to school. Like, you guys can film.

Even though they were like on the show, but like out of default. Right. Just like if the cameras were rolling, they were in the background type thing. But it's crazy to think what they've become. Now look at the 13 or 14 grandkids when they all become of age what they could do is like a royal rumble of the world it's terrifying it's insane it is terrifying because look at what two girls did i know like kendall and kylie blew up a whole society of their age that's a good way to look at it it really is 13 different personalities hitting on different demographics.

I am so terrified just for storm, shy, true, and dream to be teenagers at the same time. I am terrified. And then you have the older, north, nice, this one, that one. So if they're going out, they're going to be like oh there's my cousin oh there's my oh this whole club's my cousin let's go it's going to be insane imagine the guy

on the microphone having a name drop every person there I see you dream though this one that one North like we were killing it with four of us going out, five of us going out. Killing it. Like, when we first got famous, it was like, oh, we're going out. It's wild.

Think about them in Vegas. Remember our Vegas nights? Oh, my God. We were. Imagine them going 15 deep, like, with their friends. And, like, it's just crazy. We were a tsunami of craziness. I can't imagine that.

And now it's such a different thing because people look at you so different just because of even like social followings. Like Mason decided to get Instagram the other day because we let him. He got a million followers like within a day or two. Not posting a photo. And for some people that's like their life dream. Like, oh my God, followers. Oh my God. So for them, they don't even care.

But like their whole network is so ginormous. They don't even understand yet. No, they don't have a clue because they also grew up with it. I think out of all your kids i think rain would be the one that's the most comfortable in front of the camera i think he'd want it the most right like he'd want to be we all camera up he's like he's ready to go harry he is the funniest kid has the craziest personality and voices and wild. You don't even know what happened this morning. What?

So we're all having breakfast before they go to school, and one of our nannies, Allie, and she's great, and he loves her. And he pulls me aside in the morning. He's like, did you hear anything last night? I go, no. He goes, very loud. I go, it was loud? I go, what are you talking about?

He goes, I mean, I'd like, I go, what are you talking about? He goes, Allie was dancing again last night. I go, she was dancing? He goes, yes. What does that mean? She sneaks men in at night. She dances, and the men just shower money on her. Scott, this would be true.

And make it rain. I swear to you. I go, so your nanny exotic dances at night for money? In your house? Yeah. When we're sleeping. He's like, yeah. Em and Allie overhears him, and He's like, yeah. Em and Allie overhears him

and she's like, yeah, right? He's lying, right? Of course! He's lying. She's not dancing. I didn't know what you were saying. And hooking out of my house. He's what, nine? He's wild. Yeah. He's going to be ten in December. In two weeks.

And this is what he said. Oh my gosh. But he was so, like, serious. Stone cold face. I mean, I obviously didn't believe him, but I just wanted him to tell the story. So I was like, keep going. And he's like, I mean, yeah, the guys were making it rain. They were throwing money. And, you know, she just does what she does.

And I was like, maybe it's a Christmas bonus. He's the most also like you. He's wild. He is wild. When was the last time you needed to go to the doctor, but you pushed it off? Made the excuse, I'm too busy. It'll heal on its own. I don't need help. I don't know which doctor to go to. I think we've all been there. Booking a doctor can feel just so daunting. But thanks to ZocDoc, there's no reason to delay. They make it so easy to find and book a doctor who's right for you.

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version which i would too i mean i would be mortified for so much that my kids would have to see but the version you are right now and the version you were then like sticking hundred dollar bills down waiters throats I thought about that and yelling at people like yeah I don't want would you but the truth is I do explain to Mason like how drinking affected me and how badly it put me in certain places. That's good. And he knows that. And he, for a while, thought I was going to treat him differently because of that. And I said, I'm not treating you any different because of my mistakes or how I lived. But if I see a problem with alcohol with you, I will take action.

Right. But other than that, you are just like every other kid. You're going to try drinking when you're going to try drinking. But if I see a problem that might be hereditary, then I'll jump in. But until then, you're treated like every other kid. But I would not love to have him see the crazy. It's funny that he hasn't seen some of these things maybe yeah you also maybe if he sees the outlandishness of you like the miami days and all that maybe that would

prevent him from drinking yeah because he'll see how like my dad is a real dick then but he also knows how incredible you are now so it's not like you're still like this but no definitely but you know you're right and i think that's a great way to look at it because he is going to be a teenage when he's 15 but he's going to be experimenting when he's older yeah and it's good that you say that to him because you still got to let him be a kid but also know i do know what could happen if someone doesn't I've I talk to him all the time about it and I'm just like you know it take you down a really bad road or it could be a really fun road you know like I feel like Kendall and Kylie are a perfect example of like they'll go

out they have some drinks and they're like the of, like, where Kendall didn't even drink. Right. Kendall and Kylie, they have a few drinks, and they have fun, and they're good, but nothing more. And me and Court were slob kebabs. Well, Court stopped kind of after the first kid, but... Not me. Well, you only get drunk when you get drunk. You drink to get fucked yeah and that's when it's

like it's a rare occasion but when it happens when it happens full force it happens do you remember when we wrestled in the like straight up crazy drunk wrestled in the middle of that oh the versailles oh paris yes on the floor yeah in the Versailles and people were like guys this is like a museum you can't be wrestling and throwing things we're like fuck everyone now it was I threw up on my driver I think yeah it was Kim and Kanye's what's that wedding so it was the wedding but what's it's like a party before the wedding I know Lana Del Rey was like singing while we were fighting in the bathroom.

Oh my God. It was miserable. It was so embarrassing. Kim and Kanye rented the entire It was insane. Palace of Versailles. Scott and I weren't aware that the wedding location

was going to be elsewhere. We were flying to Italy the next day. So we were in London. No, we were in Paris. I don't know. Yeah, we were in paris we were in the four seasons okay we were in paris you're right you're right you and i were having a drinking competition oh my god and i took an entire bottle of vodka drink it i was also going through a divorce i was like not in the best place and you and i started wrestling on the floor in front of thousands of people.

I think it might have been my birthday. Maybe. It's around that time. Yeah. And I was like, I'm trying to have a good time. Courtney kicked you out of the car. You threw up on your driver. My mom kicked me out of the room and was like, you are an embarrassment.

She was like, you're disgusting. I don't know if she said those words. I mean. She was like yelling at me and courtney was yelling at you and we were like shamed in the hallway oh it was fell asleep i remember kendall and kylie walked by and everyone was like you've got to get up we have to catch a flight to go that was the craziest waking the wedding and i was like you guys are assholes for not waking that like telling us telling us to stop earlier. I think I slept in the bathroom of my room.

And they're like, all right, we're getting on a plane. We're going to Italy. I was so drunk at the wedding, but I drank the day before. It was horrible. It was rough. They really needed to tell us we were going to fly the next day at 7 a.m. Oh, it was horrible. But that was so crazy to like look back at that and now

like obviously you'd still have fun but we would never be throwing bottles around and wrestling through the versailles like i hope i mean i mean who knows that was fun actually yeah i would do it again i don't fucking but. But the hangover. Oh my God. Do you think because you are an only child, you got away with so much more? Like, I wonder, I think we having siblings, like we hold each other accountable where when you're an only child, no one's there to like either rat you out or to talk about things in a real way like my parents didn't really know how to discuss certain things and relate it back to them and say you know I've been through this and I could help you here let me tell you a story about myself whereas Mace or P or anybody like Mason especially like if he's going through something you know I talk to him about my life and, like, mistakes that I did.

And I'm like, here's what I've done, what's worked for me, what hasn't worked for me. And, like, even recently, like, he's starting to really like girls. And obviously, girls like him. And I just said, you know, it's like, you can do whatever you want. Just don't lie and don't manipulate any girls. So if a girl tells you she wants to maybe do something with you and like hook up or whatever, if she knows that like you're not in a relationship with her, don't tell her you are just to get something out of her. And he's like, no, I know, I get it. And I hear him on the phone. He's like, we can't, but we're friends.

And he tells him straight up, like, because that's where it's fucked up. Like, manipulating your girl to say, I love you, I love you, I want to be with you, I want to be with you, just to, like, get somewhere. And then the next day, you're with someone else. So I said, listen, you can do whatever you want as long as you're honest. And, you know, honesty is the best policy. But back in our day, it wasn't so easy. Like, you know, if you met someone who was like, okay, I got to, you know, do whatever it takes. But I also think now because of social or this or that, it's so transparent to who they are.

You can't really write these days. Where back in the day, we could live double lives and no one would know about it. Yeah. days where back in the day we could live double lives and no one would know about it yeah i can't even imagine like they have no way of being private hiding anything no right no how are you with dating around the kids like that's separate or is it like do you discuss that with them do they ask yeah I mean I kind of told them that like because they're older I imagine yeah they ask me they'd like me to be with somebody I think and they you know they do voice to me that they like me to be with someone and I kind of say like until I find the right person I don't really want to bring another person around unless it's like

the end-all be-all person just because I don't want them to get attached to somebody else. But I have to do my thing too or I'll never meet anyone. But like they're all like starting to get older and it's not that much longer until like they're of age, all of them. So for the next like five, six, seven years, if like my attention is on them, I have the rest of my life to be with a single guy. Like right now, it's a guy like that my focus is on them. And if I was with somebody else, like, yeah, I'd still be a good dad, but I would have somebody that I would be putting on a pedestal near them. I mean, if I weren't in my situation, I would be like, Scott, this is bullshit. But because I feel the same. Right.

We're kind of in the same thing. I feel like my kids are, yes, mine are younger than yours, but they're just my top priority. And I don't care about dating. I don't know what will happen in a couple of years or next year. I don't know. But I'm not dating. I don't care to. Like, my focus is just my kids.

But I think if I wasn't in my situation, I'd be like, you're so full of shit. But I totally get it. And I think it's the smart. To me, I think it's the smartest thing. Well, look, I mean, you know, my youngest is 10, right? So in eight years, he graduates high school. In eight years, I'll still be able to do my thing. I mean, I feel like in eight years, you and I both will find someone.

For sure. Yeah. I'm just not that worried about it. Like, I feel like the right person, if they're meant to be, they'll come. But I'm just like, I don't want to like search and be disappointed. Isn't it so hard to date now? Yeah. I think it's so different. And by the way, a lot of people I know that are not famous are in these long relationships and they're breaking up.

That's crazy. But I keep hearing it. Where are you going? Yeah, the grass is not always greener. You've got to water your own grass sometimes. Is that like masturbating? No. Oh. Just water your own grass.

But I meant just like but you're ready prioritize right your relationship and water yourself with your partner like if you're in with someone for like 12 15 years dude there don't start over you're good but no like these are people that are like that's what i'm but they're like straight up like they're not. Like it wasn't like, there was no option. What would you say you've, like in terms of vulnerability or what you want to give to your next partner, like what would that be

that you would do differently from the past? Like, do you want to be more vulnerable or do you feel like staying guarded is the way to be? I don't think I was like guarded or anything in my last relationship. You know? I don't think that was like a problem in our relationship. Yeah.

That's not like a huge thing I think about. I just. So even being in the limelight and stuff, you feel like you're pretty open when you meet people? Like when I'm deep into a relationship and I trust somebody and like love somebody, which is a rare thing. Right. I've only been in a few relationships, but like my last one, I trusted the girl I was with very much and told her everything that I felt in the world and And it was totally like a good, fine thing. Good. So it hasn't hardened you?

No. Like my last relationship was good. It was just kind of like we were in different places at different times in our lives. And we know that I tend to date a little younger than I should. Are you going to stick with that? No. Are you going to try to date a little younger than I should. Are you going to stick with that? No. Are you going to try to go a little older? No, I can't go.

So what's your age range? Maybe I'll get back with her when she gets older. That would be easy. But she'll still be the same. Yeah, but she'll be matured then and older and been through life a little bit and gotten fucked over. Got it. So you.

Had some heartbreaks. Got it. And learned the rules of the world. So that's a little cheat code. Yeah. Like let them go. Let them age. And if they come back, it's meant to be.

Yeah. So they needed like some time. Okay. It's kind of great because it gives me a time to like be with my kids. Got it. So you have a plan. When you're ready. And you've gotten like some life lessons in you.

What are the things you both love and dislike the most about each other? I mean, honestly, I feel like with you, the things that I once disliked from you, I like love. Like they're just who makes you up. But I don't even, I just think we have such a relationship where you're literally like my brother that it's everything you do. Like if my brother annoys me, it's like. Yeah. Like it's. We're going to get over anything.

Oh, yeah. No no i don't have a doubt even if i don't talk to you for weeks or like you can call me at any time and you're my brother i'm obsessed with you i feel like i could go to you with like anything in the world so it's so weird that i have you i know i'm so happy that we all have each other i would say the only thing that annoys me sometimes we don't see each other enough. And we live so damn close to each other. I agree. And it feels like we don't live near each other when we go walk to each other's houses.

Well, I was going to say the only thing that really annoys me about you is when you say you're going to come to something and then you don't show up. Right. I was thinking you were going to do that to me today. Never. And I said, well, my mom is right next door. I could always pull her in. No, I would never do that. Well do that to me today. Never. And I said, well, my mom is right next door. I could always pull her in. No, I would never do that. Well, I didn't know.

No. You never knew. I hate that you think that. I got to. Never not showing up to anything. You're the biggest liar. No. You don't show up to almost everything I invite you to.

That's okay. No, I know. I just. show up to almost everything I invite you to. That's okay. No, I know. It's just... I'm not... You just said I'm never not... What did you just say? I'm going to show up to everything. Like, the other day, I showed up to the party for Dream at your house.

Oh, my God. That was so funny. And I was like, I am not going to not make this. I was like, Mace, get in the fucking car. We got to get out of here. We got to go over there. We can have fun. Yeah, and a lot of fun.

It was fun. Killing all the work, too. I felt like he was thriving. He thriving he had the best time and we went to malibu after that we had a good little day i took all his friends to trattanoia for like a little italian cute yeah i mean bada boom bada bing bada boom you're drinking a dc yeah i learned it from you what happened to your ginger ale you're over over it? I don't drink those anymore. No? Nah. Well, I didn't eat the whole thing with ginger ale, you know. I know.

I didn't think of sugar. I only had sugar and it's all sugar. At DC, I'll only have like once in a while and have one. The gingers were something else. Addicted. That was a whole joke with the flask. Sweet Hawaiian rolls. Oh, God. Those are sickening.

Oh, my God. Did you see what Kim made the other night with the flask. Sweet Hawaiian rolls. Oh, God. Those are sickening. Oh, my God. Did you see what Kim made the other night on the family chat? She made sweet Hawaiian rolls. She sliced them, melted vanilla ice cream, dipped the sweet Hawaiian rolls in vanilla ice cream like batter, sprinkled cinnamon and sugar on it, fry it so it it's french toast but drenched in vanilla ice cream it was like a recipe she saw it on the top yeah and so eating it and i'm like if god sees this thank god i'm like i wasn't tolerant i know but trust me she'd find a way fuck yeah dairy free away. Fuck yeah. Dairy free. Take one of those pills. Pop. Before you eat. Good to go. Wow. It actually

gives me like PTSD thinking of all those gingers and those Hawaiian rolls. I used to take those on vacation. What are some of your guilty obsessions right now? You know that? But for that like what They would go on vacation with me. Sweet Hawaiian rolls? Like my sister would pack those. What is something you would take right now?

What's like your snack fetish that you love? If now we're out of sweet Hawaiian rolls. I like Cheerios. It's like sweet, the honey nut Cheerios. That's it? Nothing crazy. Wow.

So you used to be the king snacker. Are you not the king snacker anymore? I haven't been snacking like I used to. Damn. I haven't really had chips either for a while that shit really works but the chips were like i was a big chipper yeah and like gold fish no you loved all that crap oh my god oh it's junk by your bed oh yeah you used to if anything would piss me off it would be that the caps no you didn't care as much as the other person no i

didn't care that much but just seeing it in the caps oh that's what bothered me it would be three different gatorades on the fucking soda it was three different gatorades one ginger a bowl of um the fish goldfish and then maybe a chocolate or a candy and some chips i mean it was a fucking whole thing snacker oh my god yeah it was a snack-a-thon do you have any regrets i mean no regrets i see no yeah i mean i definitely regret a lot of my horrific behavior going through some of my life, but I don't dwell on it, you know, and look back and say like, maybe I do, but I would have done things a little differently in certain times and places. But I feel like instead of like making it about me and thinking about it like, oh, I'm just trying to make it like, if I can give my kids the help to not have to go through those times that I had that were miserable, it's all worth it. Yeah.

That's all you can do. Like, you know. You dwell on it so many yeah and there's so many things i see that i could have had different turnouts in my life or just how things are better and being a different way you know or getting where you want i could teach them and it makes me happy that i've been there and done it both ways you know, but you can't change anything. No. It's brought you here to where you are.

Yeah. And I think it would be something different to say if you were a fucking loser mess right now, but because you are where you are now, I think it's cool to reflect on those things. No, I would be way too old to be still doing that stuff. What is one goal that you're still chasing if you have one? I'd like to get a family lake house. Nice. I think that's a good goal maybe. That is a great goal.

And I build houses so I could build it. Oh yeah. i don't know if enough people know that you build houses yeah i love it i know that's your passion project i mean it was a passion and then it turned into a business yeah and it's a good business you know like a lot of people love that your career is still a passion project of yours yeah i mean i you know you always hear saying like, a job is not a job if you really love it. And I feel that way a lot with like the building, the houses and stuff like that. And then when I started doing it, it was like, wow, this is amazing. I don't know how many people remember this, but. Oh, shit.

The pod. Pod? Yes. In the bathtub? Yes. That's what I was thinking. Oh, my God. Same story.

I can't believe I didn't start with that. If I'm thinking we're doing this while podcasts are the biggest thing in the fucking world. And you and I started a podcast. Way before anybody. What year is that? In a bathtub together, which is insane. I had a bathing suit on and you had swim started a podcast. Way before anybody. In a bathtub. Together. Which is insane.

I had a bathing suit on. And you had swim trunks on. But there was no... No one said we were naked. Well, when you say in a bathtub together... But it's still psychotic. The whole thing was psychotic. But you looked like you were from Bait Watch. Yes.

It was insane. I had a red bathing suit on. It was crazy. But we had... There was no visual for podcasts. Right. We just had the thing. And then we eventually lost the recorder. What lake was that?

Where were we? It was a sound. Yeah, the bay. The bay. It was behind her house. Yeah. You were holding on for dear life. I would not let go of that rap.

So we started a podcast together. What year was that? That was Penelope was. And it was called The Lord and the Lady. Because you're the Lord, I'm the fucking lady. That should be the episode of this. The Lord and the Lady. Drop that down.

The Lord and the Lady. So we did a few episodes. Imagine if we stuck with that. And I tried to do another one in Cleveland. Yes, but I was pregnant and I hated it. Oh, you were not having it. No, I was so annoyed. There's also a question that I read from a poll that said,

if we got stuck maybe on an island together, what we would get annoyed with first with each other. And I was like, oh, I know exactly what my answer would be for that. Tell me. Me asking you too many questions like that night in the car you'll never let that night go I must have just been on like highly bad mood I mean we're in a car we have nothing from Santa Barbara to do is to talk and I guess some people don't. You're like, have you heard of the radio? Put a song on. I don't want to talk the whole time. You were just asking me like

50 questions in 10 minutes. Well, you weren't talking so I just wanted to get the juice while I had you. And I was really annoyed. I locked the doors. I was like, yo, I'm getting it on. So I just wanted to know everything. Stop asking me so many questions. I think you might have like got out of the car maybe. Stop. I didn't get out of the car. I need to switch cars. Oh my god. But yeah, that would be it if we were stuck on an island.

You're never going to let that go. No, it was too funny because that really was just like, I'm just asking you questions. Honestly, the questions wouldn't bother me. What would bother me is the hacking. I don't hack anymore. I've noticed that. But why do you not hack anymore? Because I was scared of you telling me. You also told me I would never find a girl if I did that. So I made you better. You unhacked me. Oh, my God, Jilla. I love that for us.

I'm very proud of you. Because that's like, you don't want to just do things out of habit. You don't even notice you're doing them. I feel like that was that. So how you had to be aware enough to stop doing the hacking yeah it was a lot a big deal but you noticed it was a lot it was gross okay good as long as you noticed yeah no thank god you were so gung-ho about it you're like you're never going to be with anyone if you keep hacking you know i'm not one to sugarcoat things i can't believe that you thought of the podcast that we originally did too.

I just thought of that. I was like, why have we not talked about that were the original podcasters? Nobody thought of it. No. If we would have kept up on it, we would have been like the biggest. I don't even know what we talked about. But I loved that we were podcasting in an actual tub, but no one could see us. Right.

But we could have really been in bed and pretending. Or in chairs. Yeah. And tripped in bed. But we could have been lying in bed. We could have been lying to the audience. But instead, we actually were doing the things we said we were doing. I guess we were filming a show. Yeah they got the visual still who cares about that show wait what was your

favorite take series uh i kind of like the hamptons even though you hated the hamptons the hamptons was my least favorite take series i like i all. I liked New York. You did not like New York. Well, maybe because you lived there. I liked New York. You're from New York, but some of the people. Oh, I think I liked the one, but I did one with Kim without you.

No offense to you. It was just nice because I got to be with Chris a lot and like my friends. Oh, that Chris. Yeah. No, not the dump. I was like, where are we going with this?

No, I think those take shows were fun. Miami was too much for me. New York was great. And the Hamptons was pretty great. But they were fun. It was just crazy that we would move our lives for like five months at a time.

We had nothing else to do. Lordy, thank you so much for doing this. I love you. And I feel honored that you don't do podcasts, but you did mine. Maybe after this, I'm going to have to start. Scott, welcome to Wonderland. That's what this is called. Oh, I didn't even know that.

Chloe in Wonderland. I love that. So welcome to Wonderland and then this episode the lord and his lady the lord and his lady episode one let's just make that clear you can't make I did this and then I'm episode like eight well I'll tweet about something really juicy we one. Come here, babe. Let's... I don't know what hand movement that was, but it felt great. It wasn't good. It felt gross. It was.