Khloé in Wonder Land - Why I Believe: Khloé on Faith

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

Khloé reflects on faith, prayer, and the quiet ways God shows up through loss, love, and motherhood. A soft, vulnerable solo episode about trusting what you can’t see.Episode Sponsors:If you're need help finding those perfect presents, head over to https://www.g.co/shop/holiday100. Trust me, it'll make your holiday shopping so much easier and way more fun!Stop putting off those doctors appointments and go to https://www.zocdoc.com/KHLOE to find and instantly book a top-rated doctor today.Thousands of people are already using Rula to get affordable, high-quality therapy that's actually covered by insurance. Visit https://www.Rula.com/khloe to get started. After you sign up, you'll be asked how you heard about them -- please support our show and let them know we sent you. You deserve mental heatlhcare that works with you, not against your budget.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

What makes faith so special? Faith is not always something that can be put into words. It's found so much in these divine, ordinary moments. I find my faith in nature or music or staring at my children. There's no wrong way. I think it's so beautiful to learn about other people's religions. We all really yearn for a belief in something greater, something good. Have you ever had a moment where you felt like your faith really pulled you out of something dark?

It's literally saved my life. saved my life. Has my faith ever wavered? Of course. When my dad died, I was very angry with God. I don't have anything in my dad's. Long story. My dad's Bible was going up for auction. They wouldn't give it to us. We had to buy it just to see my dad's handwriting is so special to me. What I have learned is to thank God even for the worst of times because they've made me who I am. I'm so proud of anyone that is listening and watching this podcast because it is heavy and it is deep. And not everyone wants to go down this journey, but I'm so grateful for the ones that have chosen to. That's my little spiel.

Hi, everyone. Welcome to Chloe in Wonderland. And I'm so happy to have you guys here today because this is one of my most favorite topics. I love talking about faith and spirituality. and this was a requested podcast for me to do, which makes me even happier because I love that so many of you guys are intrigued about whether it be my faith or your faith and spirituality. I love that. For me, at least, faith is not always something that can be put into words. Faith, in my opinion, is something that you really feel and you just have this divine faith and belief in. I know some people are really pragmatic and they want this sign. scientific, thought-out explanation of faith or God or certain religions. And for me, I don't need that to have belief. I just have this divine, ultimate faith. And a lot of that is a feeling. It's also, when I do try to be pragmatic about things and try to explain how certain things have

come to be, there's just no other answer than God created things. It's, it's a very answer. It's interesting because the more and more that we do have these scientific advances, I do think so many things from the Bible are being confirmed. I don't need that confirmation, but some people do. I feel that faith is found so much in these divine, ordinary moments, and you can look at a sunset, or it could be music. I find so much faith and God there. Praying is such a special moment that you have with your higher being. And I think that all of us probably have faith in so many different ways. I know some people feel lost on their faith journey. Start by talking. Start by praying. And praying intimidates people. I've heard. And they don't know where to start or they feel like

their prayers aren't profound enough. But truly, all you need to do is speak and talk. And the more, It's like riding a bike. The more you do it, the better you will become. You don't forget how to do it once you start. And there's no wrong way to pray. I also think that faith and spirituality isn't about perfection. It's about wonder and navigating and trying new routes that make you feel connected, trying new things if praying centers you, if meditation centers you, if having group sessions. where you talk with your friends about faith or God, if those things bring you peace and they center you for the day and they give you structure and make you feel empowered, then keep doing those things. But there's not a one-size-fits-all. There's not a right way to do anything. I just think if you have wonder and curiosity, then go towards that. I think no matter what, I want this conversation to be not one of teaching. It's more one of conversation and something that I love. I love my faith. I love spirituality and the belief in anything that you

believe strong enough that you just, you know it exists without anything else. I don't need anything else. I just know and believe so deeply. So I feel like I should talk about maybe my like where my foundation of faith came from. And I grew up in a, I feel like when you say a household's really religious, it has sort of a negative connotation. Like everything is very strict. My parents are both Christians. We went to Bible study every single Sunday, got dressed up. Me and my sisters and my brother, we all matched. The hair was all done. It was what we did every Sunday. And then we would always come home and have little gatherings at our house. It was the best. My dad prayed with us every single night, like clockwork. I don't remember a day that he did not. My dad would leave my brother

notes about God every morning when my dad went to leave for work, and he would leave them in my brother's bathroom, and either it would be a Bible verse or something about God. And one of my brother's birthday gifts, Courtney, framed everyone in like one big plaque, and it's hanging on his wall. It's so beautiful. It's all in my dad's handwriting. But my point in saying that is faith, praying, praying over your food, praying every night. That was just the foundation of our childhood. It's what we knew. We knew every kid's Bible story, going to church, having that Sunday school community. It was so normal to us. And something that I like to instill with my children. And I think, number one, I love tradition. I love either the nostalgia of tradition or just

the comfort of tradition. Every school that I went to was a faith-based school. I either went to a Catholic or a Christian school. My kids don't go to a faith-based school currently, but I am providing them faith and spirituality at home by having a Bible study teacher come to my house once a week to teach all the kids. So that's really important to me. I go to church on Sundays when I can. It's not as structured as it was when I was younger. When I was in my 20s, or maybe like later teens 20s, my girlfriends, including the twins, we all are big believers in God. We all loved going to church. And we would go to church all the time together. So I think also you sort of are the company you keep and we were so like-minded. And I mean, yes, we were going out to clubs

five days out of the week and then one day we would go to church. But that's also like in your 20s. And it's okay to party and do all those things and still have faith. But I think if my life wasn't anchored in faith, I don't even know what kind of life that would be. It would be so dark and scary. I turn to God every single day, multiple times a day. And I love it. Thank you so much to Google Shopping for sponsoring this episode. My favorite time of the year is finally here. It's the holiday season. As many of you know, gift giving in the Kardashian family is a competitive sport,

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That's ZOC, doc.com slash Chloe. Zocdoc.com slash Chloe. I think faith and spirituality can be hand in hand. Some people feel more comfortable saying that they're spiritual. Some are comfortable saying that they're religious. either one. I don't care who you are, what you believe in, what you want to call yourself. I just love that you believe in something. I'm a child of God and I believe in God and that Jesus is the son of God and that's my belief system. And it's something that gets me through every day,

good or bad. I love to start my day off. I wake up every morning. I have two different apps on phone that are Bible apps that I love and I do them every day. I think it sets the tone for my day in such a beautiful way and it anchors my day in gratitude. And then at the end of the day, I pray with both of my kids every single night, which are much shorter age appropriate prayers. And then by myself, I always just thank God for the day and all of our blessings. I love talking to God multiple times throughout my day. It just gives me. me comfort, it's my security blanket, and I don't want to just turn to God if I need something. I want him to know how grateful I am for everything that I have, even when something goes wrong,

because I know there's a master plan and all that. And I love trusting. Trusting what the universe brings me in the universe is God controlling. I remember when I was building my home, so I was building my home about, I moved in about four years ago, but when the build was happening and when the wood, like framing was being installed on the house, I went over there with a Sharpie and I wrote Bible verses on the wood planks of the house. Bible verses that I felt were strong and positive and what I wanted this house to be rooted in. And that meant a lot to me. What's also cool about you is you like to learn about other. faiths, not just your own? You're right. I went to an all-girls high school for a year called

Marymount High School. Marymount High School is a Catholic high school. All girls, I went to all, basically all Catholic schools, even though I'm Christian. And I've never learned about other religions. At Marymount, I did take a theology class, and I learned about so many other religions. And that's when I was so intrigued and fascinated by all these other religions. And I love watching documentaries about other religions or asking my friends about their faith. I love learning about other people's traditions. I've experienced Shabbat dinners. Like, I love stuff like that. I don't think for a second that means you're cheating on your own religion. I think it's beautiful. I think it's so beautiful to explore other religions. And I think if you're secure in your religion,

I think it's a beautiful thing to be respectful and learn about other people's religions personally. And I want my kids to know about all religions. I think that's the beauty of being in this world. I really, really do. And then the similarities about how many religions have so many things that are similar and they have crossover and things that are like-minded. I really think it's a beautiful, beautiful subject. And I actually should probably take another theology course because it's so exciting. It really is.

What are some specific items in my home that I feel closer to God? So I don't have necessarily like a cross or something like that in my home. I love my cross necklaces. I feel nice, but it's not even like I have my Bibles. I have those things. But I feel close to God anywhere I am. I really do. But I feel like I've worked really hard on strengthening my relationship with God. I also think people get like embarrassed to talk about their faith. I've learned that. Like I'm proud to talk about my faith. I just. don't think it's dorky. I don't think anything like that, but I know a lot of my friends are like, oh, I just feel weird. And that's okay if you do, but I don't. I love talking about it. I text my pastor Brad is the pastor who married Lamar and I, and I text them all the time, like questions when I'm like, well, why didn't so and so want to sacrifice his child? That's not very godly to murder your kid. Like, I just want to understand some things about the Old Testament. And he'll totally

give me an amazing answer for why something was, let's say, more accepting back in those days versus obviously not now. But I'm so curious about so much. And I love forever learning. And I don't think, I don't even think you need anything tangible to feel close to God. I think you just need to strengthen that relationship. And the more you talk, the more it just keeps coming out and flowing and the closer you start to feel. Is there anything from like your dad that he passed down? I do have my dad's Bible. My mom has a few as well. And then we were, I think, I think I was on TMZ and I saw an article of my dad's Bible. It has my dad's name engraved on it. And it was going up for auction because my dad gave it to OJ when OJ was in his trial.

And now that OJ passed away, I'm assuming his possessions went up for auction, whatever, that's how it got on this auction. And I said to, I was like, Cam, I can't. And it was a whole handwritten inscription from my dad. And I don't have really anything of my dad's. When my dad died, a woman married him weeks on his deathbed and took everything from us. So I don't have anything of my dad's. Long story. So I remember when I saw this, I was that, Kim, can we ask if we can have the Bible? Of course, they wouldn't give it to us. We had to buy it. But Kim did go and get the Bible. And so now I have that Bible. And it's just so cool because I don't have, barely have anything with my dad's handwriting. And the book has a personalized note from my, just to see my dad's handwriting is so special to me. And then to have that in a Bible that's engraved with my dad's name, it's just a really special piece. But It's in my safe. It's not something I use. It has all like his Bible notes, corners folded. It's just a really special Bible. My dad every single day would read the Bible, would wake up early, probably 5 a.m., read the Bible before work. It's I remember him sitting in the corner of his room doing it. And that was just always, I'm sure as a teenager, I was like, what is he doing? But it was so inspiring to me, like that this man would get up every day and do that, go to work all day, be the best dad. It was just a really

cool thing. And so I also think maybe subconsciously I sort of mimic a lot of his routine because it makes me feel safe and closer to my dad and also close to God. I do think so much of what we do as parents or siblings or whatever, it's you learn a lot by example too. I don't, have a clue what my dad said about the Bible back in those days, like about his stories. I knew the kid version stories. But it wasn't that. It was the action that I saw, saw my dad doing every day. And that's what was so inspiring. And like subconsciously, how many years later, now I'm doing something so similar in a modern way. I'm listening to my app. I'm just realizing now it's so much of what he did with us. Very beautiful. Have I always felt as close to God as I do now?

My relationship with God has gone up and down. As a child, I was close, but more out of just I didn't know anything else. When my dad died, I was very angry with God, like very angry. So I wasn't the best person. And then I remember making a shift in my life. Then I surrounded myself with great friends who would go to church. And then I started to have my own relationship with God in a different way, different than my childhood relationship. Like when I went to church as a kid, it was really proper. And you had to dress a certain way. And it was Sunday school. And it was very different and polished and not loose, like maybe a little more uptight. And then when I started going with my friends, it was a whole different world. I was like, oh, wow, it could be much more loose and fun and singing and interactive. It was just a different church. And I really, really liked it. And then I stopped going to church as much, but it became more. of like a personal relationship. And it's more about praying and having those conversations. And now I feel like I have such a great, strong relationship with God, not so much in a church, but very much so within myself. With myself, I know how much I've relied on faith to get me out of really dark situations emotionally and what that's done for me. And it's literally saved my life in so many ways. I feel such a responsibility to give faith to my children, because I feel like if I can give them those tools, and they know that when they're in a dark place, like, all they need to do is pray,

like that's my job as a mom. And if that's going to make them feel better, my daughter the other night had a nightmare. And I told her, I said, whenever if you get scared or nervous, just say a prayer and see how you feel. And she started praying. I heard her on her camera and she was just praying and it made me so happy that not only did she listen to me, but she remembered what I said and in the middle of the night, she's just praying and she fell back asleep right afterwards. And it made me so proud of her, but also proud of me that like I gave her those tools and that she felt better and felt peace come over her and she was able to fall back asleep. Like that might be such a minuscule story, but that's just the stepping stones to later in life and what faith and spirituality

can do for someone. Also the power of prayer. The power of prayer is so real and so strong. I know because I have so much faith. Like I've helped so many people. This sounds crazy. But like when people are like, pray for me. I know you're, like, I know you have a line to God. And I'm like, I do. Like, I genuinely do. And I've prayed for so many people through surgeries or if they've, I mean, I know my prayers when Lamar was in his coma. Like, I know I was heard by God. There's just no other way. Like, my faith does not waver. I know he hears me. And I'm going to pray until the cows come home or until Jesus comes back, whichever one. And I'm proud. about that. Like, I'm proud that I just don't use prayer in time of need. I'm proud that I use it

in time of celebration, in time where I'm just alone talking. Like, I think people think prayer has to be like an our father who aren't heaven. No. Prayer can just be how I'm talking right now and you just say, you start off with dear heavenly father and the rest you could be just so loose and conversational. The end, you say amen. Like, that's, it can be. It can be. You can be, you know, that simple. And I'm proud that I'm teaching my kids that. I really am. I'm so proud of True for how she used prayer in that time. And Tatum's so young and little, but I love that he knows how to pray. And I posted a video of him and True praying. And it was so, so cute. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you. For my family, my cousin and my auntie and my uncles and Mickey.

females and toys and mommy and dadda and sisters and brother and food and food take a jesus fly and amazing title and great and amazing day and amazing space a baby versed in the sky you know tatam's praying for like his Mickey and Minnie or whatever but it's not even about like are you praying right like that's there's no right or wrong just are you talking to god strengthen that direct line to god that's really the point has my faith ever wavered of course when my dad died i touched on this a little ago but there was i was so fucking pissed i was did not understand my dad died so quickly he was married to this awful woman who took everything from us i like to not even

have something tangible of your fathers. It's like, the whole thing was so horrible. And I couldn't understand why someone who was so close to God, my dad, was the closest person to God, why he would go in such a way. Like, I had so many questions that would never be answered. And instead of me trying to trust the process or trust this journey that's happening to me, I just was angry. And I was like, Fuck everyone. We live life a certain way and did the right thing and look what happened. Like my dad live life by the book. Didn't smoke, didn't drink, died of esophageal cancer. Like none of it made sense to me, especially at 19, just being also a little bitter at life anyways, just having that attitude. I was really angry, probably cursed at God a million times. Who knows? But God is

forgiving. And now, I think ever since my divorce, I would say, my relationship with God has been, it gets stronger and stronger. But then ever since I've had kids, I feel like it's been the strongest. And maybe that's just because I try to mirror so much of what my parents did for me, because I loved the way I grew up. Do you ever feel like God sends you signs, little reminders that you're being guided. So I feel God all the time around me. I definitely feel like I have guardian angels that lead me through life, but I also pray for that every night.

I always pray that my guardian angels hold my hand through life and just guide me on the right ways. I think that our tongue is really powerful in what we say. We will receive that in our lives, even if you're saying negative things. I do think even if you're singing songs on repeat as silly as that is, your body doesn't know that you're just singing a song. And you can create these really bad spaces for yourself or great spaces for yourself. But I feel like I really welcome the great spaces. And I welcome that I have guardian angels that guide me through life. And I try to really look out for that. I try to

really stay aware. And if there is something that happens, if it's me running late, Or the other day I tripped down the stairs and I, like, scrape my knee and I was really late to something. I figured there's a reason for that. So I try, yes, I maybe get frustrated in the moment, but I try to really be aware of those little things because I don't believe in coincidences in life. I believe that everything happens for a reason. And if you don't know it, then you might discover it after the fact. But I try to pay attention to all those signs. Finding a therapist is hard enough, but finding one who actually takes your insurance, that's usually the part that stops people before they even get started.

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they've got you covered. Thousands of people are already using Rula to get affordable, high-quality therapy that is actually covered by insurance. Visit Rula.com, Chloe to get started. After you sign up, you'll be asked how you heard about them, and please support our show and let them know we sent you. That's rula.com slash Chloe. You deserve mental health care that works with you, not against your budget. Have you ever had a moment where you felt like your faith really pulled you out of something dark? Oh my gosh, I've had so many moments. I think that's what makes faith so special. Faith is the reason why I'm out of all of the dark holes I've been in in life. It's faith. It's my belief. It's knowing you have that support. It's

knowing you are going, like in the grand scheme of things, I will always be okay. We might have shitty circumstances. You might have a bad day. It's not a bad life. And I know God is always there. And I know that we're meant to go through these experiences and they really form us. that's this formative process that we're going through. And so what I have learned is to thank God even for the worst of times that I've had because they've made me who I am. They've given me the perspective that I have. But you just have to be open to letting those moments form you and heal you and turn you into something that you were meant to be, but not harden you. When was the last time you felt truly in awe like wow I'm being watched over kind of feeling you guys are going to

think I'm nuts but I think like this all the time I mean it can be the smallest of things um I find my faith in nature or music or staring at my children the roof over my head I mean it's from small to big things but even on like my drive for my kids school we have such a pretty drive beautiful mountains and terrain. And I'm always like, this is crazy that this exists. It's so silly, but we take for granted the beautiful state that we're in, the weather that we have, the birds that are around us, it's so cheesy, yes. But I'm always thankful of that, especially when it's like sunsets and that type of beauty, oceans, the beach, like seeing all of that. It's so, so beautiful. and I'm in awe of it all. I mean, even this is like where it gets crazy when you think about

outer space. Like how is all of this possible? Us being born or even how the human body works, this is not just science. It's there's so much more. Is there a passage quote or prayer that you find yourself coming back too often? So I went to a Catholic school, my whole life, a few different Catholic schools. And we used to recite prayers and all of that. I don't have one prayer that I recite. I genuinely like really just having a conversation with God or my angels. Sometimes I talk to my dad. And I don't want my prayers to be robotic. I think any prayer makes a difference. So I don't want to deter anyone from praying. But for me, when I'm just reciting something, I don't feel that deep connection that I do when I'm conversating. I will have just a really organic conversation with

God. And it can be super short. Most of the time my prayers are so conversational. They'll be like at least five minutes and I'm just chit chatting. I say some of the same things. Like I always ask for a wall of five protection to keep me in my family close and safe. And that's something I do because my dad would always pray for that wall of fire to protect us when we were kids. I always pray that my guardian angels continue to hold my hand through life. I always pray to keep us covered in the blood of Jesus Christ, me and my family, and I pray for my family members all the time. Those are things that I sort of do all the time, but in different ways. And then I just talk, talk about whatever I need to get off my chest or if something happened that day. But I always come from a place of

thanks always in prayer what would you say to somebody who was like in a similar place that you were when your dad passed so i remember gosh i remember the guilt i used to feel for being so angry i was angry at my dad i was angry at god i was angry at like everyone for my dad passing away i don't i would be i remember my dad um had a secretary and she has no idea, but my dad had a cell phone and I would call his cell phone all the time just to hear his voicemail, be like, it's whatever it was, like it's Robert, leave a message. And I would call all the time just to listen to it. And months after he died, she obviously turned off his cell phone because I'm assuming someone told her don't pay this anymore. Who knows? This

poor woman, her name's Barb Barbara. And I remember when it was disconnected, I called her I cursed her out so badly. This poor woman, first of all, has no idea I'm doing this, but I'm 19. I'm angry at the world. And I was like, how dare you? I can't hear my dad's voice ever again. Like I was like screaming. It was like, I lost it. And I still remember that till this day. Who knows if she does? Barb, I'm so sorry if you do. And that's one example, like how angry I was with the smallest thing. And I remember I would still have conversations with God, but they were me yelling at God. Like, why did you do this to me? My dad was the best or whatever. And if you're angry, if you're going through something, don't be afraid to even have those arguments with God, like, or whoever you want to have them with. Like, you have to get these feelings out. And I think, I don't think God ever wants you to doubt him, but I think God is just always happy that you're still going to him. Like, I still would go to him even if it was me angry and screaming and asking questions or why, why, why. And eventually you do get those answers,

but I think you just have to have faith. You have to go through the motions. You, some people, you know, I remember journaling at that time. Some people gravitate more to writing things out as opposed to verbally talking things out, but I will say faith is what has got me through everything, like any hard time. But it takes time. You're not going to get an answer immediately. You're not going to get closure or healing immediately, but you have to keep having those conversations. And I think anyone who's questioning, I know if people are going through any grief or sorrow and you don't know which way to turn, I mean, it never hurts to try, to try to either say a prayer, listen to some worship music, and just see how it makes you feel. I think if you don't have a faith background and

you don't feel good in your life and you're struggling, what's the harm in trying to dip your toe in the pool of faith in God? I think you'll notice something so comforting and reassuring and beautiful about the way your life is going. I don't see a negative in you trying. Well, I really think when you start your day, being thankful for your day, like thankful that you woke up. We take for granted, and it's no one doing this on purpose, but it's so easy to take your health for granted when you're always healthy. It's so easy to not say thank you to the universe when you're just so used to waking up and starting this day in a certain way. Or I think about from the biggest things to the smallest things, and it could be even Dr. Amen, something as silly, like when he pointed

this out, I think he calls them, I forget what he calls them, but like micro wins, something like that. And it's like, I realized how much I do, when he was like count 10 micro wins in the morning or whatever. And when I started, I was like, you know what? I really. look forward to my stupid 5 a.m. coffee. And it's not even the coffee. It's the silence of my home. It's that alone time with me. And I think it is one of the only times, unless it's, you know, at 9 p.m. or after, that I get to be in my home in silence and get to look around and be like, wow, this is mine. And like, I worked hard for this. And I get to live here with my kids. And I get to have a cup of coffee. like just saying those things like I get to I get to wake up and get to take my kids to school

as mundane or sometimes frustrated as we get like I have to do carpool and everyone out the door any routine we have we're not going to be grateful for it all the time but when you think about if I compare I'm like you know what so many people don't get the luxury of taking their kids to school because they have to go to work earlier than their kids have to go to school And when you think about, you can always put your life into a different perspective. And I'm just like, I'm so lucky I get to do those things. So I love the Bible story of the Book of Ruth. I think it's a great, great story. And what is so cool as the other night on Netflix, I saw it was like their number one movie and it was about the book of Ruth, but they modernized it. I think Tyler Perry produces it. And it's called Ruth and Boaz. It's such a great story. But when you watch it, you don't even realize that you're watching a Bible story. And I love that so many people are doing this now. They're modernizing Bible stories, but you're still getting the word, but in your cool way or however you want to receive information. And I think especially nowadays,

there's so many ways to receive the Word of God. There's so much, like even worship music. If you love to learn about faith through music, there's so many. different ways of receiving it or watching it. If you want to know about the book of Ruth, you can watch Ruth and Boas or you can read the Bible version itself. But I'm saying that to say there's just so many different avenues to connect with your faith these days. And we're so lucky to be living in those times. And there's so many ways that make it relatable and where you can understand and digest it and process it where sometimes the Bible does feel overwhelming or you can't process it as easily as maybe some other people. You know, I really just wanted this

episode to make us all feel like we do have a sense of community. I don't want this episode to be preachy or teachy. I just want it to be conversational. I want people to feel united and feel hope. I think especially in recent times, things can be really heavy. And I think that something like this should feel really light in a place of joy and a good place to turn to. I think faith, whether we're navigating through it, whether you feel lost or that you're on the right path, that either one of those roles, you're human in it, and it's okay to be on any one of those journeys and know that there is a sense of community in either phase that you're at in your faith and spirituality. I want everyone to feel like that this is a safe space and that community is the

most important part, especially in your faith, that you feel like you have that village with you going through this with you. And I'm so proud of anyone that is listening and watching this podcast because it is heavy and it is deep and not everyone wants to go down this journey, but I'm so grateful for the ones that have chosen to. And thank you for having this conversation with me. I appreciate that this was a conversation that was requested, and I hope that it relates with some people or allows other people to feel seen.

And I had such a great time talking with you guys. I hope you guys have a great time listening. And yes, keep sending in more of the topics you guys want. I will see you guys next Wednesday.