Upstream - Episode 31: The Bourne Ultimatum

Episode Date: April 26, 2022

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There's like a scene right near the end after a car crash where nothing in-shot is moving, but the camera is just being like, fucking wiggled from side to side. So many of my friends are like, I just like, all caps, I can't see what is happening. My ass stabilizer. So we know at the end of the previous movie, Jason Bourne has gone to Moscow. He's gone to Moscow and he has engaged in a car battle, the most honorable form of combat with his Russian Jason Bourne equivalent, Jason Bournoff,

and killed him. Yes, he bombed off Yes, he bond off. And he's... Alistad being devoned, by the way. Yes, killed James Bond. It's a good podcast. You should listen to it. It is, it is, it is. All of our brains have been broken by this movie. So he's now in Moscow with a five star wanted level.

Oh yeah. And a lot of Russian cops are like running around shouting the via a lot. And he has been shot also at some point during this. So he sort of stumbles around, this movie, this really sets up a recurring bit for this movie, which is crowds are terrifying, being chased through crowds is terrifying.

Don't worry, we will find a way to make this racist later. And so he's like in and out of trains and stuff and like pushing past Russians. And he forces his way into I believe a vet in order to inject himself with the veterinary East region or whatever, which cures his gunshot wound. That's fair. Yeah, he gets a health pack. Yes. And then as as he does this, two Russian break in hold him at gunpoint and he disarms them holds one of them at gunpoint

and then goes my argument is not with you which is a frankly bizarre Yeah, quite formal just like it's socrates To move it may concern officer and also he has a flashback to the villain of the film now this is if you remember at the end of the born supremacy The villain Brian Cox the big bad guy shot himself Yes, he did and this film is like really feeling Gibbs Absurds because I don't think they were I didn't think they knew they were gonna do a third one But like the villain they get for this film is so clearly just like discount Brian Cox. And he really only says one thing, which is hit me with

it, Dev. Will it commit to this program? That's him. He says he has so much. Will you commit to this program? And he says it a few times. Will you commit to this program? Will you commit to this program? Will you commit to this program? Will you can make this program, you can make it because we wrote this. You can make it because we wrote that. And that's just a taste of what the movie,

the born-alternator has to offer. It also has three scenes that for some reason play four times each. It does a scene from one of the previous born movies again for no reason. Just a really yes. Yeah, I thought I was having a fucking struggle when that happened. I was like, I've already seen this, but also, I think I said at the end of the last recording, I was

like, no, I swear Brian Cox is in the third one, and that's because this guy just looks and at is so much like him, that I have a fucking false memory syndrome, like one of those Christian Peter phones. Are you going to commit to the program or you're listening. You're gonna be getting through it right now. Are you going to commit to the program right now? I'm getting taxed to say brick and I'm shooting my name. Well, the worst part is this isn't even one best value, Brian Cox.

There's like two or three Brian Coxes in this movie. They're all different like older white guys in suits and they blend together so much There's one of them who goes will you commit to this program and then there's another two just around Yeah, they don't have one line each CIA director knows for our two. Yes, and then this We committed this program and then this main guy know her. Yeah. Yeah. So, so, so, Jason Bourne is, escapes Moscow and we go back to CIA headquarters where they tell us the plot of the previous two movies. Pamela Landy, the good CIA agent is there. We have the new CIA director who is like slightly like red state

Nosferarzo. His name is Kramer, which is funny. Yes, it's the director Kramer. They keep going, get me Kramer, and I'm just the man who like bursting through the door. Kramer, what's going on in there? It was a secret kill squad, Jere. So, uh, uh, direct to crime. We get enough water, those scenes as well later on. Yeah. Yeah.

Sorry, we'll get to it. I'm getting ahead of myself. Okay. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, direct to crime, it goes, Pam, will you explain the plot of the previous two movies? And she does. And she goes, okay, sure. Jason Bourne was this guy who we trained psychologically to become an assassin and

you got amnesia and he sought revenge on us as former employers and we think he's fine now, but yeah, I trust him because I think he's based, but nobody else does. But my favorite part of this and this has to be the episode art is that doing this through the medium of looking at old photos, right? And and the Kramer is like, for what happened to Ward Abbot, Brian Cox, the bad guy in the last two movies. Why isn't he the bad guy in this movie also, even though he kind of is? And Pamela goes, yeah, he killed himself in Berlin and drops a polar hit. Brian Cox, looking like the after picture of I told you you couldn't handle.

He in pussy. Just fully. He's like, he's going off that loud. My man is just in a chair. He looks like he's being sucked off. He doesn't look dead at all. He just looks like Brian Cox expert here. That Brian Cox is actually coming right then.

Yeah, because he doesn't have a bullet wound in his face when he's showing up. I'm gonna show that. No, so he's just like lying back off a chair. It's just completely fucking gone. It's so funny. So fucking happens next. This Kramer still doesn't trust him.

Yeah, so Kramer's like we need to keep hunting Jason Bourne. Then we we briefly cut to a scene in Turin that we don't immediately know the meaning of, but it's it's a journalist meeting a CIA insider. And this is where I noticed something that the film does a lot. So listeners, you'll probably be familiar with a standard shot reverse shot to characters sitting down at the table, you get one then the other. A common practice is that when you cut to one actor, you'll do what they call a dirty shot, which is where you get a little bit

of the other actor's shoulder in the frame, just to kind of remind you that these two people are in the same physical space. And like now that you know that, you'll see that all the time. This film bafflingly keeps doing reverse dirty shots that are like 75% shoulder. So like most of the frame is taken up

with just like the blurred out shoulder of the actor and you'll see like just the eyes of the person they're talking to you and I'm like, are you drunk? Like why did you just, what did you shoot like this? I think they think it looks conspiratorial because what they're trying to do is to not show the face of the guy That uh, yeah, guys talking to it's like deep throat or whatever so so we see paddy concertine

It's a brand cost Yeah, it's a brand so we see Brian Cox talking to Brian Cox No, we see as that a journalist a journalist called Simon Ross. Simon Ross. Played by Paddy Conn to like doing a sort of like Snowden years portrayal of a guardian journalist, a sort of like, you know, a big coat, very harried looking expression, enemy of the state, mass surveillance, all of this shit. And this was a very worried looking guy.

Six years before Snowden incidentally. So this is like a weird trend as a born movie is being quite prescient. So this film came out in 2007. We learn later that this guy Simon Ross is a journalist for the Guardian. This is before the Guardian destroyed their reputation. So it's now extremely funny to hear them talk about the Guardian as if it's like a respectable.

Oh yeah, absolutely. And not like a fucking advocate's conversion therapy for children you fucking ass. Well even if they hadn't done that, they would have they incinerated their reputation with the Snowden thing anyway. Absolutely. And so I mean we'll get to that but yeah, now we do find out that what's at the Guardian newspaper, which is portrayed as a Oh shit.

We can't let the Guardian newspaper find out that we're to the Guardian Newsweek, which is portrayed as a like, oh shit, we're talking about that. We call it fucking let the Guardian Newsweek have find out about our illegal kill team because then it's over for us. Yeah, it's like, is this illegal kill team in some way like trans women? Yeah, yeah. So we've got to sit down now. So Simon Ross sits down with this like shadowy, we presume CIA guy who won't tell him anything on the record and asks him about Jason Bourne and about the Simon Ross sits down with this like shadowy, we presume CIA guy who won't tell him anything on the record and asks him about Jason Bourne and about the Tredstone program and he goes, do you think that individuals with penises belong in women's own spaces?

And we don't we never find out an answer for this. They refuse to answer the Simon Ross question. That's right, it's very dammit. Oh man, fuck, I remember when Glynna wrote like a blog post about me for the answering that question. It's like, yes. Which, yeah, which is like, yeah, actually, yeah,

it turns out it's really easy to answer this question. It's just, it's fine, don't worry about it. Fuck, what fucking happens now? This movie. Yeah, this movie, again, it's like I said, I have four scenes in this movie. And it's more goes to meet Marie's brother who, Daniel Broell. No reason. Why is Daniel Broell in this movie?

He's a fine actor. Oh, I know, I know what he's there for. He's there for us to set up Jason Bourne going, this is what I'm going to do for the rest of the movie. So he's there to tell this guy his plan for the rest of the movie, which is, God, I'm just going to keep doing the same thing, I reckon. I'm going to commit to this program. I'm going to commit to this program. I'm really going to commit to this program. He tells, he tells, don't worry about this guy, he's not coming back, but he tells him to tell your sister Marie, she's dead, she died in this last film. It's really misogynist, actually. He replies, it was always gonna end this way, and I was like,

you always thought your sister was gonna end up accidentally shot by a Russian FSB agent off of Bridget India? That's like a weirdly specific thing. But because he had that problem, the whole time I was growing up, I was like, fuck, I just know who my sister's gonna get. If you don't get off the drink, you're gonna end up accidentally shot off a bridge by a Russian man in India. But so Jason Bourntel's, I'm going to,

someone started all of this. It's just like, it's not the guy who I already like fortune teller said. Sucks off to completion in a hotel I remember Lynn. It's not the guy who got killed in Paris, Conklin. It's some other guy. It's a different guy He's gonna look at the sound a lot like don't worry. I've been having flashbacks of him saying oh you're gonna commit to this program So I'm gonna find him and I'm gonna kill him anyway, goodbye forever. And he leaves. Simon Ross arrives back in London and then like a fucking idiot, like the moron that he is says the name of the secret like program, which in this case is Black

Breyer. It's you can assume if I think of it as retreadstone. Ittrendstone. It's the same thing. They just changed the name. They straight up call it the trendstone upgrade, like three times throughout this movie. And it's like, okay, man, I'm sure. Two of these. Trendstone, yeah.

Operation, we didn't think we were gonna get another movie and we didn't have any other ideas. Yes. Operation, we had to like salvage something from that scene at the end of Bourne's supremacy, I think. Yes, supremacy. Where Brian Cox is like, okay, onto the next thing, like sort of Indiana Jones is a big

warehouse. That was like density. Whatever. So anyway, he says the name of this thing, BlackBriot, into his mobile phone, and we follow this down the tubes directly to the big NSA listening station, where they go, holy shit, someone said the fucking thing. We gotta activate it on this immediately. And now-

Obviously, BlackBriot, not that rare word to say. Yeah, just like doing some gardening, and meanwhile, in a CIA substation, 15 guys are talking over each other going, we have to priority one action this shit. Because now we have to introduce the main theme of this movie, which is 15 CIA guys all talking over each other in a big conference room going,

we need to priority one action level four national security asset, the location of this identity. Yeah, they love this shit so much. It's so fucking weird. To make the box eyeballs on the box. You want some eyeballs in this scene. One guy, the same guy says in the same scene, not a minute apart. Give me eyeballs on the street.

Give me some eyeballs on the street. Different lions, same guy. Give me some eyeballs on the street. Give me some eyeballs on the street. Give me some eyeballs on the street. Different lines. Same guy. He's some eyeballs on the street. He's some eyeballs on the street. He's giving me some eyeballs on the street so I can commit to this program. Boys, can I get some fucking eyeballs on this street? So true, Bestie.

Yo, you've got to get some eyeballs on this street right now. You've got to get eyeballs on this street ASAP. And he said, so he says, can we get some eyeballs on this stream? And then you can play it as a drop on the stream. Some eyeballs on this street. Some eyeballs on the stream and then you can play this drop on the stream some eyeballs on the Instagram we commit it We commit to this program. I told you last time. Yes So we see it in the in the Guardian which we would normally read it's just underneath an article comparing trans women to Wayne cousins

But Simon Russ has That has reported a real article that was printed in the Guardian newspaper. We see that Simon Ross has been reporting on Jason Bourne's names. He is named Jason Bourne, including his real name of David Webb, and written about about Tredstone and everything. And so Jason Bourne just sees this and is like, OK, I've got to go to London to prevent this guy being killed.

Yeah, this guy's going to get fucking obliterated. Go ahead. Because right now he's being followed around by five or six different teams of CIA guys. It's like every car on the any street he walks down is full of guys. All of the AI balls. All of the AI balls. Yeah. He is in the eyeballs out.

Yeah, my man is lousy with eyeballs. We do see, we do see into the guy who is directing this, the guy taking this sort of traditional born role of being in the big control room and saying like verbs people hacked, hacked bypass. Um, he loves to do that. He's a guy called Vosen. He's played by David Straton. He's like, I guess also the Brian Cox here.

Brian Cox brackets. He doesn't really say anything distinctive other than a large amount of nonsense. Like I need a code 10 abort for a four block radius sort of thing. But he is the one who is hunting Jason Bourne. But Bourne manages to slip a message to this Guardian journalist Simon Ross by the extent of like, I guess calling another Guardian writer's phone. Yeah, because he anticipates that the CIO will be listening to Simon Ross's phone. So he calls somebody on a different desk and then just says, hey, can you put someone calls Owen Jones? He's like, hey, I wasn't very funny. What's up, Bestie? What's up, Bestie?

Have you seen this fucking Transphobia article incredible? Anyway, can you put Simon Ross on the phone, please? So, he leads Paddy Constan, Simon Ross. And, incidentally, we should watch Dead Man's shoes because that's a great fucking movie with Paddy Constan. That's a good point. Um, leads him to a me saying at Waterloo station. D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D like maneuvering around and the entire time it keeps cutting back to like CAA guys going I give you a term 22 on the proximity of this

Yeah, it's like three times in this film like Yeah, it's like I have one idea for a scene and they just keep doing it. Well the thing is right It's also it's the biggest quite good at it because they've only done it like three movies that it's a retread of is where Julia Styles like three movies. That it's a retread of is where Julia Stiles, Nicky Parsons, was like where he arranged that meeting with her in Berlin and one of the two born movies, they blend together. And for the German protesters. Yeah, with the German protesters. That is forbidden.

And odd. What an array. And God, what a great city. Actually, this whole time the CIA has been needing some eyeballs on the street. The whole time Jason Bourne has been like sort of like evading them easily. And so he sneaks a phone to Simon Ross and then he sort of like remote control pilot him through the crowds at evading the CIA, Capt. Scotswore, I guess, gonna like extraordinarily rendition him, because he does just like get a guy kidnapped,

just by accident. He doesn't get the wrong guy, yeah. You're right. He absolutely showed. Jason, engineers are different guy getting picked up by the CIA, just maybe to like illustrate to this journalist what's going on. He's like, there's a guy over at a bus stop,

stand weirdly close to him. And then like 10 minutes later, that guy gets like bundled into a car. Injected with unknown substances and bundled into a van. So while that guy is enjoying my ideal first date, Patty concertiners, like running through different bits of the concourse at Waterloo station. I'm trying to fucking remember what happens in this movement. It's all the same.

No, like, who's your source? You must have somebody inside the CIA who's telling you this shit. And then Ross is like, oh, I'll tell you, you gotta get me out of here. And then Ross panicked and runs. Oh, no, yeah'll tell you, you got to get me out of here. And then Ross panicked and runs. We see that the CIA have activated a chimp. Yes, this is good because Noah goes put the asset on standby

and I wrote they have a chimp in the location. They have a professor chimp ready the girl. I should have killed professor chip. This should have been just like Collebb and should have been professor chip. This should also have been professor chip. Oh yeah. Yeah. Same guy. We've just run an experimental Mark Strong Cloning program. That's what the program was. We all came out weird and we couldn't even find out if we commit to this program of cloning Mark Strong. Yeah. all right. Oh, fucking commit to that. No worries.

So, so Professor Chimp is like climbing up into the big like thing behind the switching advertisement billboards in Waterloo station. Meanwhile, Jason Bourne is is interrogating the guy. Also, at one point, in the most British move, Simon Ross is about to get to safety, and then he panics because he sees the most British thing of all, a sinister-looking bin man. He does. He really, he literally,

it's not like he'd be quarreling with the braw. To be fair to him, he thought that it might have been a trans woman. So, he just bottles it and legs it immediately. He's got the Guardian news paper. Yeah, but it's not a great drop, but he sees like a suspicious looking bin man and he goes, Oh, the bin man. No, that's a great drop.

The bin's made. The bin's made. He stops to salute the bin man and it's part of the CIA. Yeah. So he tells Jason Bourne that like he was the first of whatever it was and like this has to do with black prior it was like an experimental training program and now incidentally it's time for me to panic, run out of cover and get shot, get domed off by Professor Chim. He gets chimped.

Now he does. He does get chimped. And I mean, this is a shame. I mean, it establishes threat and everything, but like, I almost enjoyed that little like rapport here. It was nice. I thought it was quite nice. This sort of like sequence really reminded me

in a so weirdly deep cut, yeah, but it reminded me of the gameplay of Assassin's Creed brotherhood online because like it's just a crowd of guys and like Jason's born like like three other guys are just like walking through this crowd attacking each other in secret. It's I don't know, I was quite nice. I really enjoyed that. Anyway, Simon Ross's dad should have worked for a less transferred but newspaper. That's not a real, I've got the originalist assassinated, no comment. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Oh, there is one fun bit where we're doing this

all out of order. It's because the movie is exactly as disjointed as this. All of the shots are like done like this. In order to do the fight scene, we beat up some CIA guys so he can talk to Simon Ross in the first time. He knocks them all out apart from one last guy who was just lying on the floor like, oh my back!

That's me. Oh shit, give me that fight mate, I'm sorry. You also get spotted on the security camera which occasions the line. Jesus Christ, it's Jason Bourne. Sorry, wrong Jason Bourne movie, what are the guys in the control room is saying? Jesus Christ, that's Jason Bourne. It's an easy mistake to make

because there's so many of Christ. Jesus Christ, that's Jason Bourne. So the guy gets shot, the Germans get shot. And this point, the brick cops swarm the scene. And I learned that British police love whistling as much as German cops love shouting, polat-sai. Yes, it's nice to never be copped. That's their own thing.

Yeah, there's genuinely a thing. There's a cop track this movie. Yeah, it's genuinely a theme in the board movies is that each nation's cops have their own like little battle sound that they have. And for British cops, it's just like whistling. They don't even have whistles. They're just making that noise with their mouths. I'm just waiting for like a group of cops in a Jason Bond film to do like the UN, the UN guys in loop on the third shit. It's just like, they're just piling over each other.

And Bond takes Simon Ross's notebook from his corpse and it's just full of like really transphobic and active, but also a dress in, also an address in Madrid. Yes. We also see that Ham Landing is like, once again, the good liberal CIA officer has like arrived on scene in the big control room while they're like actioning things. She is sort of like quite reluctant about this. Yeah, yeah, we see her and Noah Skinny, Brian Cox having lunch. We see a lot of both of their shoulders. That's main, that's main mime may take away from that scene. You see a lot of both of their shoulders. That's main, that's

main Mimei takeaway from that scene. This is going to be a book of their tailoring. He orders a heart healthy omelet because he's gay. I mean, I'm not sure how else to interpret the heart healthy omelet thing. It's weird. But she's the boy in because she was in the last film. Yeah. And she's upset that a reporter got killed, which is very funny for a CIA officer. And that they had a shootout in public, which is even funnier for a CIA officer. Um, but also I just wrote, I just wrote, he's like, he worked for the Guardian. He's like, oh, yeah. But the thing is right.

This is, this is not known at this point because the snow didn't thing one before another seven years. But, um, if you wanted to keep some piece of American national security intelligence, like, apparatus, out of the hands of the Guardian, you don't need to kill them. You just ask GCHQ to go to the Guardian's offices and put power drills through a bunch of their hard drives. And it turns out in that situation, what the Guardian will do is help you do it and find you the hard drives and not interfere at all. So it's cool. Just unnecessary.

We go. It's a truth, truth telling, bold investigative journalism. Mm-hmm. Yeah, from the Legion's podcast. Don't read it. That's my official stance. Don't read it. Don't buy it.

Don't speak to anyone who does. Same as the sum. The best thing that came out of the Guardian was like this rash of movies where Guardian journalists were crusaders for truth, or was wearing the same big puffy jacket for some reason. Like you sort of. You have to share that one. Yeah, you're fifth to state this kind of thing.

When you get into the garden, you're issued a big puffy jacket, a wild list of transphobic allegations to make. Is the copy of Janice Raymond's transsexual empire just like, you will be tested on this? Yeah, that's what you need the big puffy jacket for, is a place to keep all of the different copies of the Transsexual Empire, irreversible damage, all of the other sort of like...

You'll be the things that you will be rephrasing and printing. Anyway, and Pam... It's so funny every time there's a journalist on this podcast, we get like 10 to 15 minutes of, of like, material's being like, this guy fucking sucks, huh? Yeah. He doesn't really want to think about this guy

in any way other than absolute test. Yeah, and I refuse to do it. Oh, absolutely not. Anyway, Pam and Noah figure out who the CIA guy is. Who's been feeding Simon and his mission. Oh my God, half clever, right? Because the deal is that they do the usual attack, tap, bypass, Wi-Fi, connect.

Everybody whose phone was in Turin when Simon Ross was in Turin. And Pam goes, well, no, because he wouldn't fucking keep his phone on him. Everybody keeps their phones on all the time because they need to talk to 15 people at once about how to action things. Therefore, whoever had their phone off during the time when they were meeting, that's probably going to be your guy. And thus they find the guy.

I do have a little recording of the hack, hack bypass. Like this is the vamping that they do while they're looking at computers. All of the socials pull it up. What's the document for a record? Over here. What is that? Stop fucking. Initials. You know what this is?

What's going on up on me. You know what this is? You know what this is? These are the stimulus response that's just from gold fingers. Yeah. Give me good numbers, Jimmy. Just open up a new tab. Hey, a new tab just opened up.

It's the Thomas Crown business factory. It is. It is. Give me good numbers. They're at the intelligence factory. That's right. Like, is that a fucking nut music placed throughout the entire movie? Like, is that a document bringing up? Is that initials that are put down on main? So the CIA and Jason Bourne figure out pretty much at the same time that it's this guy Neil Daniels who was Simon Ross the

source. He works for the CIA in Madrid and this sets off the rest of the movie which is Bourne and the CIA in Madrid and this sets off the rest of the movie, which is born and the CIA trying to chase each other to him and the CIA wanting to capture them both. Yes. So now fucking happened to this movie. Born by the general. I think I'll be honest, I was shot twice in the back after failing a covert assassination mission

right before I recorded this. I've been fished out of the fucking Mediterranean by a bunch of fishermen. And as such, my clues to what happened in this movie that I saw this morning, a largely contained in flashes of memory and a little laser pointer thing that was embedded in my back. It's okay, Alice, just commit to this program. No, I'm going to fucking kill that. No, that's not the one. Sorry, I meant to do the image of this program. That's not the fucking one. I was on the wrong subs.

So Jason Bourne, and she sees the Guardian Journal. Oh, Jason Bourne. I'll be the second she gets a brick text. No, I'm going to fucking kill that, can't. As activated, there it goes. Jason Bourne goes to the address in Madrid where this CIA is right.

Oh yeah, this is why it threw me off right. It's because he literally, he walks from London to Madrid in one shot. Jason Bourne, it's time for you to go to next location. It's not even time to go to next location. It doesn't, this is so underwritten that it doesn't even process as next location unless you're like looking for the title thing that says Madrid, Spain. And you can pretty easily miss that, especially if you're currently reeling from how dumb

this movie is. But it's not time for them to find him yet. So he's already left. So the CIA send some operatives there, they send some chimp's round. These aren't even chimp's, they're just regular guys. They don't send a chance. This one is the worst one ever, because it's in like a pitch black room and they just have a fight. And it's still shaky and cutty and I wrote, here's where I'd put my action scene if I could see it. He does this some home alone shit. He tapes a flashlight to an oscillating room fan to make them think that the shadows are

moving so there's someone on the other room in order to ambush them and knock them unconscious. Yeah. They're really leaning into this. They did it a bit in the earlier films where I'm like, okay, this guy is so fucking good. He's so good. You don't even know what he's doing when he fights people. And they've just lent into it by making it

literally impossible to know what he is doing during a fight. So you see him win a fight and you're like, I don't know how he did. Jason Bourne just put two guys on the ground, fine. I don't. Cool. Yeah, okay, whatever.

Well, we never like see him come in and then like, look at the fan and we never have a chance to figure out like, oh, he's gonna do this. He's all he's just basically just like super powered. Yeah, he's one step ahead of us, the audience, which is, is it fine if we get like given some of the clues as well and we can try to get it, but it's just so. What was the nicky's there? Yeah, nicky or what?

From Julius Iles. Yeah, nicky. They finally, it was something to do in this movie and curiously. What was the Nicky's that? Yeah, Nicky or Watson watch from Julius R. Yeah, Nicky. They finally, it was something to do in this movie. And curiously, she doesn't hold a grudge against Jason for more or less torturing her at gunpoint in Berlin in the previous movie. I would. She's fine with it.

Like, the CIA call her and she uses the big, like, I'm actually fine code response rather than the, I'm not fine. Jason Bourne is holding me hostage code response because she likes him. And we have reason to believe Jason Bourne might be in the area and it comes back. He's like, no, stood in the room with her. And she's like, really? Are you still going on with the chase? Crazy chasing. So I appreciate that. I also appreciate in like the second smart thing that Pamela Landy has done in these two movies

is to be like, as soon as she gives the like, Jason Bourne is not here. Code is like, you know, Jason Bourne's in the fucking room with her. Because she immediately starts talking about how, listen, Jason Bord's being hunted by the CIA, not me though, I think he's cool and handsome. I think he's based on it. If I could get a message to him, if only that were possible.

What I would say to Jason Bord is, say, keep it up, Tiger. Let's go, big dog. You're doing great. And there is a nice little sequence of things where Noah is like, all right, how long before backup gets there and a guy holds up like five fingers. And he goes on the phone to Nikki. All right, backup is going to get there in about an hour, just hold tight. And then as soon as she hangs up, Jason's like, how long have I gotten?

She's like three minutes. Like, everyone's playing each other and they all know they're doing it. Yeah, it's like, this whole script was written on like three levels of obfuscation, which are unnecessary because everyone is fully over it. Like this bit. So it's like it.

No, it's good. So back in New York, Pam takes no into his office. And we literally just retread the Brian Cox. It was a secret CIA kill squad scene. It's the same thing. It's the same fucking thing. Except there is one difference. You don't have to find out about this.

What if I did? It was a secret CIA kill squad. Yeah, yeah. She's like, what is black briar? I can't tell you that. No, but really though, what is black briar? I can't tell you that. No, but really though, what is black briar? I dare you know more than you did than watching them escape while we wait for someone in Washington issue the order and

the thing is right one of the things that that Noah says to Pam at this point is you've you've seen the raw intelligence you know the data that, you know the danger is real. We're not just inventing it like we were previously. And to me, this is a slightly little bit of more erosion of this sort of fucked-up lib principles of the born movies because originally, it was like, oh, it's a CIA kill squad that the CIA uses, like, manage both

American interests, but also its own reputation. And now, like Brian Cox never got a, actually, this is good what I'm doing. It's based. Instead, he just had to be like, you wouldn't understand, I'm old and also extremely corrupt. Whereas this guy gets to be like, listen, we have the same objectives in mind. Maybe we differ over the means, but I'm actually like on the right side here. We see the director, director Kramer like knows about this illegal operations. And it's just this little wedge in the door of sort of like legitimizing extradudicial killing, like lack of government oversight of US intelligence, all of these things.

This was a couple of years before intelligence operatives in real life started whistle blowing. I'm talking about people like FBI agent Terry Albury started coming out and saying, actually, this evidence of the threat, we've actually just been faking that, that's all just made up. And before all the scandals broke about them, just like openly committing entrapment against people for sure,

but you can't you can't like, unring that bell. Once you've once you've put in the movie, like the threat is real. Therefore, the highly illegal measures that we're using to to address that threat may be unacceptable to you, but they are legitimate in that sense. You can't then go back and be like, actually, all of that shit was wrong. Our bad. Also, Neil Daniels, the guy who is passing the information to the journalist, has all the receipts of Blackriar. He's got the looks screenshots of the dangerous group chats. So we've all heard of that. He's in Slurs chat. He's been in dev's computer and taking all those screenshots. And fuck. So so so Jason and and Nick you go on the run together. And we get this little scene where which I feel sort of in two

minds about right where they sort of imply in a sort of ambiguous way that they had a relationship together. I'm glad you picked up on that. And he just doesn't remember. And because she got my big question, it's like, why is she helping him? Yeah. And I guess it's kind of like an old flame thing. And she's like, you know, it's difficult for me with you. And you really, you really don't remember it. And this is kind of like unspoken thing that goes between them. But I, I, I, I, I don't know, it's compelling, right? It fits in actually quite well with her character on the previous two things,

it explains her, not like minding too much being tortured by him, but it's also a bit misogynist. I always believe it. Just a wee bit. It is. I mean, it was, it was interesting because I was like, oh, it is kind of a mystery why she's helping him. It is an interesting idea that maybe he had a life

beforehand and people who loved him and stuff. I thought that was interesting. I was looking forward to the movie explaining this or going into it further. Oh, no, she is flying. We'll find out whether or not it does. Anyway, we're gonna go to Tanji, because that's where this fucking guy is. Tanjiya, Tanjiya for like an hour long sequence, which I have summarized as tough men on small

mopeds. Yeah, so the CIA has to be... There's a lot of things continue that happen. Activate another professor, Chimp. Yes. You kill... You kill... ...different Chimp.

Maybe you like way lays him with a like a saying, hey, you're gonna meet me here. I'll give you a new phone and then born follows him and he's like, he's gonna lead us right to Daniels. See, I, I like tracking everybody involved on a big board as if they've all been injected with smart blood. Like when the courier goes off course,

they're like, oh, he went off course on Google maps or like, like you're watching your courier on Uber Eats or whatever. Like, the tips go around. Yeah. Why would you go in that direction, man? There's fucking Pollards down there. That's a one way street for fuck's it.

Noah's gone off the deep end. Noah's like, right, activate a chimp. We're going to kill Nikki as well. And Pam's like, you can't kill her. She's one of her own. He's like, ah, screw the rules. I have seen it. I'm a thinly veiled allegory for the Bush administration. And therefore it's actually

fine for me to start killing my own people. And she asks him, like, where will this end? And he goes, what? And so we win. Which is inadvertently a great description of how liberals came to feel about all of these things. So any day now, I'm sure. Yes. It's coming, baby. I'm ready. They say the next, like, blue on blue assassination will be ordered by a woman president. So, so Jason Bourne chases the new chimp to Jason born to whereorton. He lays a big bag that says, bomb on it in one direction and instead leaves the real bomb next to Daniels' car in his

silica Romopad. So Daniels is then killed with this explosion. But this has a case worse than no time to die of the bomb that just makes you go to sleep. Yeah. Jason Bourne is standing not three feet away from this car that blows up. We don't even, completely obliterates the car that is further from the bomb than Jason. Tonight has not been invented yet. They hadn't invented that cool thing where you get up from a bomb blast and there's no sound and there's ringing. So instead, he just kind of that cool thing where you like get up from a bomb blast and there's no like sound and there's like ringing.

So instead, he just kind of gets up and he's like, he's so dirty. He's just like, okay. I don't know. That's crazy. He had an extra life. It's wild. Then I assume a motorbike chase, but my notes say, can't see what's happening. What's the thing is right.

I very much can't see what's happening. What's, well the thing is right, I very much can't see what's happening. But also, this is where the crowd thing gets racist, right? Because we're still once again using like, chase through crowd to establish threat. But this time the crowd is sort of filmed as more fractures as more of an obstacle. And if you watch these movies with the subtitles on as I do, you may know that throughout this scene,

all of the dialogue, because there's no dialogue from Nikki who is running from the chimp, or from the chimp, or from Bourne, all of the dialogue is subtitled as Shattering in Arabic. When the bomb goes off like a bunch of Moroccans just kind of like run up and like stand around yelling I guess. It's, which is no sably different to the guy getting shot in Waterloo station where a bunch of British people

did not just like run up and go, it was all this thing. That would have been very fun. Shattering in British. That's funny. Shattering in British. Oh, that's funny. Shattering in British. The shattering classes. It's this one's great niche. So, yeah, so Nikki is running from... Did you see that? This season was actually felt like this whole sequence was filmed during Ramadan.

So like all of these extras were just... I wonder if everyone looks around 24-7. Yeah. On no water. No food. Like it's Like it's like, just come on, man. Well, again, I'm going to pick up some of the cinematography of this because it's something that the Bond movies do as well, right? Is this sort of the ethnicity of a crowd very much depict how much of an obstacle they are to you. If you compare, for instance, to Slidescale from English, up to German slash Moroccan.

Yeah, well, like, it's your own. But you're about the same right now. In Cassin or Aria where we start, like, a snake fighting or whatever, and then Bond has like chased that bomber through that crowd. Oh, yeah. Like, this is the... There's lots of shots of like, people's faces

looking angry, people getting in bond way same here whereas in Skyfall where he's chasing silver through the underground there aren't really that many if you watch it back it's mostly like people are deliberately melded into the background so too and waterloo here, it's very much sort of like an ambient environmental condition, rather than check out these fucking guys. That's a very good point, Alice. It's a very good catch. That's the high quality analysis that this podcast provides. That's fucking right. I am simply slamming the big, it's racist button.

Yes, well boys, it is racist. Some cool silly little Moroccan cop cars. Also the Moroccan cops are wearing like 50s uniforms, which I think is cool. They have like watch chains and everything too. Yeah, I'm waiting on this one. There is quite a 10 scene, whether Chimp is closing in on Nikki,

she's running away. If you weren't aware of the, why we call the Treadstone agents, that this would be so much. This one would be fascinating. We racist this one considering that this man is Moroccan. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah, Mark Strong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mark Strong brackets Moroccan Jason born runs to some people's houses We get that famous shot where he parkers through a window that they use in the trailer a lot Yeah, he learned that from Castell in the first movie Yeah, he has a fight with Professor chim and my notes say I can't see it

This is like being in a washing machine Professor chim, genuinely like struggles to keep up with Nicky, and it's like, how the fuck do you lose? The only woman with blonde highlights for a 500 mile radius. But no, he gets her into a house, Jason. I ask myself that every day. Oh my God, he can't help.

Also, Nicky gets one stump, which is to make a comically small parkour jump. It's about five feet. And it's like, obviously like not off the ground at all. And meanwhile, whoever is doubling for Jason Bourne is having to fling themselves through sugar glass window. It's very funny. There is also like, they deploy a slightly cooler kind of cop after him,

like in Mirror's Edge. Once he starts parkouring, I guess because you can't parkouring. Like shit, bring in the parkour cops. So they bring in like cops in like cool baseball caps and shit instead, which I've asked like for first. So yeah, they fight inside a washing machine. Jason Bourne beats him up with a book. I guess it's the copy of Irreversible Damage.

She got off of Simon Ross. And he kills him. Using that to call as Irreversible Damage, you could be, it's a bit. It's very clever. So yeah, Jason Bourne then kills him and Nikki sees this. Nikki does try to intervene in the fight and she gets kicks three times in the face

inside a second and is then unconscious for the rest of the fucking scene. It's just like the 1960s level of what do we do with a woman in this fight scene? No, it's not only in 1960s but it's also what they did to Madeline Swan and fucking speak to her. Yeah, I'm saying for Teaster through a dinner and her face. Yeah, she goes, she goes, Hey, hey, hey. She goes, Jason Bourne, you don't have to be Jason Bourne anymore. And then guess for Teaster for fuck's sake.

Ah! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! So good. So good. It's so good.

And they did that with fucking, to be fair, they did that with a lesson. The previous movie when she was like, you don't have to be Jason Bourne and she gets aced by a fucking car. I want you to know that at one point, one of the many I've opened up a new tab priority one computer scenes, they do open up Nikki's file. And in her file, it says, for just long enough to read it, if you're paying attention, that she is proficient in karate and kung fu. So it does, it does say that. So she, she, she sees him kill the guy. And I mean, this, this culminates by the way, and then having a fight where born's weapon is a towel. And

I, how do you do a towel fight with no jokes in it? This is like a poor nation that does not have Jackie Chan doing this shit. And my... Bones weapon is a blur. I cannot tell what is happening in your visual medium, which is a bad thing. Anyway, I've born winds I assume because he's continues to be in the film. Yeah, born kills the guy and she's still there. She's horrified by this Which is a bit fucking rich after a three movies? She's been involved in fucking Biddy's don't for like six years. She was in charge of logistics

What does she think he needed all of the like guns for? She's just like I didn't realize you were killing people. Oh, fuck. Oh, my God. What? Wow. So. It's movies. They go on the run, and I want you to know that she has no more dialogue at this point.

Oh, she ran out of lines like two scenes ago. She does not speak. What she does do is she cuts and dies her hair to go on the run and it's a deliberate Retred of them of fucking Frank a potential doing the same thing in the born identity. And this is where I thought oh We're gonna we're gonna make something of this like, yeah, you know, that we're gonna reveal that they had a relationship Maybe and then then Nikki gets on a bus and leaves the film and does not come back. Yes I'm a guy Nikki Jason Jason like, sees her and is like, Oh, shit, that's the same thing as from like two movies ago.

Why do all of the women that I end up with, like, cut the hair really short and die of black? Anyway, I'm gonna, like... I don't know the women I end up with, turn out to be their spins. Anyway, I'm not gonna think about this. See, he bears his soul to her a bit. He's like, I remember the names of all the people,

the names, the faces of all the people I've killed. And I've tried to like apologize for it and make up for it, but it's like it's not something that I can have would be forgiven for. I'm a sad Jason Bourne, none of this lands at all. She's most of the, she can't fucking say anything. She's silly, she's silly. She's silly, she's silly.

She's like, she's not going to buy the CIA. And he's just like, He's just like, The Baidem, he goes, it gets easier. No, it fucking doesn't. I'm just a little bit watching these movies. I like that line, right? Because it's, It's obviously a lie, right?

But to me, as he puts her on the bus when he just goes, Yeah, it gets easier. Or without any prompting from her, that does more for like Jason Bourne's humanity and compassion for me than like him being like, oh, I'm sad because it's like I try it. Yeah, I get it. It's good kind of. But like we've just, so she completely throws her career away and puts her, as we've seen, her life very much in danger, presumably forever commits treason. And we just like, we never find out why she just leaves the film.

And I'm like, what? Quite literally put on a bus. It's bad. It's real bad. She just even come back at the end. Oh, actually, we do see her at the end. She doesn't get any more lines though. Yeah.

She goes out on the bus. She touched her stomach one time. You know, Jason, Jason, what really is your... Yeah, she touched his penis one time in that, Muttara. So at this point, he can only be too careful. Jason, Jason Bourne... It was to next location. The way he has to find out next location, I wrote in all caps because he goes and gets

the personal effects of the guy who got blown up. And he reads through his papers and he finds like a fragment of paper which has the fucking CIA secret facility letterhead. It has the CIA seal and it has the street address in New York. A really bit of paper that isn't burned is the bit that says next location. And at this point, we perfect film, actually. At this point, the movie then has the gas light all three of us because you remember how

in the end of the fucking born supremacy, we see Pam in her office in New York. And she's like your real name is David Webb. You were born for 1571 and Nick's a Missouri and Jason Bourne does the amazing fucking, ooh, I'm watching you even though we're on the phone thing and then just leaves, right? Yeah, Jason Bourne special. The Jason Bourne special. Oh, that's coming, don't worry. What if we re- what if we re-did that exact scene in a way that didn't make any sense and also never a direct, like they- Look, what if we just fucked with you on purpose as a bit. And I'm like, okay, fine, whatever. Yeah.

So Jason Bond goes to New York City. He goes to the address and the secret CIA facility which has like overlooked windows and no curtains because he just looks in with a sort of fucking monocular sees pan sees no sees Noah taking some files out of his safe and sees the cover of those files as labeled black briar. Yeah, really clearly. They just showed this to the window that I show this, this, this, secret file to the window. I mean, hold it up. And then what happens is that he fucking doesn't shit that he runs the ending scene from the full supremacy. He just does it again.

And it's re-shot. So you get, which makes you feel insane. Because if they just showed the same movie again, it might have some continuity problems. But it would make you think, oh, OK, this is like, that was like disjointed in time. And now we're getting to see it real. Well, sure, it's a rifle in the last one, not a monocular.

What it seems like when you're watching this one is he has just done the exact same move. It's so funny. He's got it back to the office and she picks up the phone and gives him the exact same conversation. It's like, listen, I, you're just going back to an NPC and like doing another dialogue tree just in case there's anything new but it's the same again.

You're really helping me find my gun. Jeff, Jeff Dipsh. Jason Webb. Craig Fingersome. David Webb. David Webb. David Williams. Fucking. David, David Mitchell's a web. I don't know. I have Robert Webb. Yeah, your real name is Robert Webb. You are also weirdly transphobic. Yeah, very concerned about the teenagers. But also this time it has a double meaning, right? Because she's trying to lead him onto the location of the facility where they did all of the black briar training, which is at 415 East 71st Street. And so she tells him, you're real name as Robert Webb, you were born on day 415 of East 74th Stey. This is not a coat. He's 74th today. I said he's 74th most. You that boy. What day is it? She tells him next location and then she leaves to go and meet Jason Bourne, the CIA listening.

She is still does the thing because that's the way they wrote the scene in the first thing where he's like, I'm watching you from your window, which gives away his fucking location for no reason. You know, as a family, you're looking tired, which is again a fucked thing to say. So I was objectively helping you? You look like shit, by the way. But when there was just like, lying to like flex and leave, it made sense, but he's about to like get her helped in full trade. It's about to meet up with him.

And immediately. It's like, and you're ready for a ready-to-be crowd date and show, you know, I'm like, I'm ready for a ready-sync crowd date and show you and I'm like, yeah, you look fucking tired of shit by the way Cool Negging hours Yeah, and the entire time Noah is listening into the conversation and he uses this information to be like yeah, he's right fucking outside I just want to lock down a bit of a poem Third time in this film. The third time in the movie, Jason Bourne is going to meet somebody in a public place. The CIA are following and the chimp is active.

I hate it. It's so much. Yes. I feel like it's going insane. Like this film is like half an hour and it just repeats again. They won't act and we're like, you're that three times. Yeah. Absolutely.

Fill in the rest with the music. But this time it's a focus. Because Noah and the boys, they get in the van so that they can go mobile. Yeah, yeah, that's why favorite fucking thing is like, he says, get the vehicles. We're going mobile. It's like, dude, that's what a vehicle is.

Yeah. Guys. Get the vehicles. I'm saying this often. I would love to get the vehicles. I'm saying this often. I would love to get the vehicles. We're going over. Uh, so they go to the meeting by CIA, a following fam, and then Jason Bourne calls Noah.

And it's like, you're what up? This is good. What up? You're what up? You were also looking out like, I'm not white, dude. No, it's like, I was wondering when I would get this phone call. He's like, where are you at? No, I was wondering when I would get this phone call.

He's like, where are you at? And he's like, I'm in my office. Exactly that long a pause. I don't reckon you are, bud. He's like, how do you know? And Jason's like, I'm in your office. Slam. D-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d that he's like, he does the born special, but this is such a, I really like this one. I think this is a good born special.

Yeah, that's for two. Yeah, he grabs all of this. Because everything out of the safe, he just like books it out of the CIA building on the most. Not clear how he got in or out, but whatever. Yep, not important, Jason Bourne. So now he has to go and meet Pam,

because they just forget about Pam. The second, we gotta go back to Noah's office, they're like, okay, fuck it, we gotta go mobile in the opposite direction, and they just leave her. Knowing that Jason, they're not on the phone. They're not on the phone.

They're not on the phone to the meeting. Oh yes, that's a good, no, yes, you're right. They do just be like, nobody's staying behind the monitor. Yeah. We're Very good. So she, she, she goes to the coded location, 415 East 74th Street, what will be I sitting in?

Well, I can't see what is happening. I can't see Jason Bourne. Jason Bourne gets in a car chase. It kind of fucks, but it's more if I could see what was happening. And he does the fucking special again. He has another special in which is to crash a different dude's car and then let's exactly the same. It's exactly the same as the ending of previous. Yeah. It's so you were meant to see these movies about 18 months apart. If you watch

them within six months of each other, your brain will leak out of your fucking ears because he dispatches his adversary, the, the chip, the OG chip, the original chip. In this sort of no board tradition of car fighting, car just so, in which Jason Bourne driving like a stolen NYPD car, like slams him into a divider, and then lets him live and crucially, he sees that he like lets him live. So then he goes and meets Pam at the secret location, which is I guess just a hospital or something? Yeah, we also see that Noah calls the hospital ahead and tells discount Brian Cox, will you commit to this program, man? He's like Jason Bourne's on his way and discount Brian Cox is like, no, I'm going to stay

here rather than flee actually because we need to end the film now. So this guy Brian Cox is actually the movie needs to stop. Albert Philly doing a faintly folkhorn leghorn accent. Will you commit to this program? I'm just a simple country as a guy addressed. Now will you commit to this year for a long-term program? I'm just a simple-cunt. I'm once a Lincoln project for CIA, so Jason Bourne gives her all the documents from Noah's Safe and is like, yeah, here's the

documents. The best ideology because he asks, why are you helping me? And she tells him. This isn't what I signed up for. They did you, White Prior. This isn't us. Looking through my big history of everything the CIA has ever done. Oh no. Oh shit, I'm getting the sense this might be us, fellas. What did you sign up for exactly after 9-11? Oh! What did you join up for exactly after 9-11? What did why did you join the CIA perhaps?

She's deputy director of the fucking CIA. She's been doing it for fucking decades. You got to at some point be like maybe this is actually a... C.I.A stands for for chilling, it's awesome. It's, so she does this like, incredibly, incredibly lip-ranged shit of like, no, we'd have to stand for the original values of the CAA whenever I assume those were.

Bro, I'm fucking sign up for the chilling. We shouldn't we shouldn't be killing you Jason Paul the United Fruit Company doesn't have any beef with you Intelligent That's shim in We've been getting flashbacks of Jason Bourne's training at this facility throughout the movie, which have mostly been... Which have mostly been... We have committed to this program. We have committed to this program. And the only reflection that he gets is Albert Finney goes, will you commit to this program?

He goes... He does not have a flashback. He goes... He goes, I can't, and then Albert Finney has a couple of guys put a hood on him and dunk him into a big tank of water. And I bring him back in and go, would you like to commit to this program? And he goes, yeah, okay, fine. Yeah, yeah.

So we see him committing to the program, especially as Ollie. Yes, he's a moment. He commits to the program as a young army officer. He's a captain, by the way, because that's the only cool rank you can have. Yeah, you're absolutely right that that is the coolest ride. He's still on the top four. I'm going to start calling myself a captain because it's cool.

Captain Webb, you're like, there's captain price and then also so much to have this. He's also like, he just gets in. To Captain because it's cool. And then they both just get to be Captain. Yeah, he's a captain, it's cool. He's a captain. And it was Captain. He wants to commit to this program. And what the program is, is they like,

we will psychologically torture you until you lose all traits of your former identity. We're gonna brainwash you. Not sure why you need to do that to a volunteer, but we're gonna brainwash you. I wouldn't you need to do that to a volunteer, but we're gonna brainwash you. I wouldn't sign up for this, personally. And your missions will help save American lives and in order to prove it and to commit to this program,

you have to shoot this random guy, which is, it's like fucking jokes about the CIA recruitment thing. It's like, you know, it's really funny. No, I had to beat him to death with the chair leg because the gun was fake, that joke. It's literally, there's just a guy, you know, another funny. No, I had to beat him to death with the chair leg because the gun was fake, that joke. It's literally, there's just a guy, you know, another joke. Yeah, I did another joke, it's funny, I was reminded him. So, yeah, no, there's just a guy handcuffed in the side.

So, read into us all knowing that joke. Yeah, it's because we're all misogynists. So, the guy- It's all in the CIA. If you're aware of that, that's right. We also all know what color the boat houses, are, are, are, things of this nature. There's just a guy handcuffed in the CIA. That's right. Can we also all know what color the boat houses, the hariford, things of this nature. There's just a guy handcuffed in the side of the room

and a board and stroke web shoots him. And Albert Finny goes, you are no longer David Webb. This is the moment that you have been through. That's kind of a dream. You're all like, hey, listen to that. It's bad. It's bad. It's bad. It's bad. I'm a jack-so-boy. Hey, listen up, man. It's better than my shoulder, fuck. Ben-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb- Yeah, it's very funny to like kick down the door of the spot and be like, why did you do this to me? What why me and just follow to you straight up came to us, bro. That's quite funny.

And the door will like make me a chimp. Like I will do anything to protect this country there. It is quite a cool idea, though. And I do wish the film had lent into this idea harder that like patriotism can be turned to evil ends. Like that is kind of the theme of the movie that's sort of what's happened with Noah. I wish we'd sort of lent it a little bit harder into that

because it's a nice, it's nice that they finally like found the theme, you know. The 2000s, 2007, so it also manages to get a little bit of like Hollywood has become aware that torture exists but not really what it is other than you put a hood on someone and maybe you like dunk them in some water. And so they water is evolved. Yeah, where was Abu, when did Abu Ghraib, when did that come out?

Let me check that actually. Because the, the guy is in the corner with like a black hood in an orange jumpsuit. It's very like Abu Ghraib, the imagery. Well, that came out in 2004. So it's three, three years later that they're clearly playing not on that, but it's like the sort of PG 13 version where it's like, oh, you know, the United States, we might do some bad things because of red tape. The thread is real, but as a consequence of that, maybe we'll put the wrong guy in a hood and then dunk him

in some water once or twice. I was going to ask them when I'll do this program. They're not doing this in a black sciat in, fucking Guantanamo Bay or in like Iraq. They're doing it at East 71st Street in the middle of Manhattan. There's nobody standing around taking photos of it and like jerking off, like, no. Which in real life, I would.

You don't know that, it's just not shown. So yeah, he fucking, that's how you commit to the program. He shoots the... When you commit to this program. Oh, you're not doing that. You're not doing that. Yes. He shoots the... When he's coming to this program. He shoots the evil psychiatrist. And then... He refuses to. He refuses to. He says I'm not going to shoot you.

Apart from when I do the movie Jason Bourne in my career. Well, actually, the line which I kind of like now that I remember it is the you don't deserve the like star on the wall they'll give you. But then what he does is he exits like James Bond Inspector because the next shot is him jumping through a window outputs. The room has no like window show. They might even be like underground. He's just like books it.

And then Professor chimper arrives. Professor chimper arrives holds him a gunpoint and he's like, why didn't you kill me? And Jason sort of like unionizes the chimps through the guise. He was the original professor. Of his mentor, Professor Jim. Yeah, he's an easy treat.

He says, like, you know, look at us. Look what they make us give. Look what they, they fucking turn us into. Uh, so I'm going to give you this like union authorization cards. And if you could like just take yes on that, I'll put you on the list and we'll get back to you and maybe we can organize BlackBriar project, the Operation BlackBriar, and get some like better paying conditions around here. And at this point, the the the chip is so totally swayed by this. He's like, okay, cool. I'm just gonna leave him. That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. And then no, it, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the That is crazy actually. Oh, yeah. Maybe I'm maybe it's bad.

Maybe I shouldn't have been missing this program. Then what fucking music kicks it baby? No, not yet. Not yet. Because we see palm. There's additional palm testifies in front of a center. This is the most live shit ever. This happens is everybody goes to jail, right?

The director director, director, director, director, director is arrested, Vosna is arrested, Albert Finney is arrested, and it's like, okay, so the CIA was willing to kill a journalist, a civilian journalist of an, of an allied country, in public, in that country, in order to maintain the secret of Operation Blackfire and this was sanctioned at the highest levels. And you're telling me that because of some fucking

faxes, the director of the CIA goes to fucking federal prison. Alex, it's so funny. You don't even get like a fucking funny. It's not even like a church committee where they like, hey, ask them about, hey, maybe you should, you know, tell us about the program that you had all of these guys committing to. No, no, no. It's fully like there are arrests, there are guys getting put in the back of cars, there are prosecutions. It's a massive political scandal.

I don't believe the United States is capable of supporting a massive political scandal about the CIA doing any of the shit that the CIA actually did in any way other than it either never leaks out or it leaks out and it's fine because no one cares. It's such a like a we've videoed the crimes and put them on the internet and everyone rose up. And it's the end of years and years. Yeah. You think it's going to be really funny. Oh, everybody. And everyone, no, no one gives a fuck. Why would anyone care about this? He was a guard. He's not the president. Why would you not just lie about this?

Like you've lied about like everything else. Why, why, how, not bury this? It's so, it's so, yeah, no, there's just no chance any of this would come. It would be like in the intercept or whatever, or some shit like that. And then, yeah, some of the landley would very politely put us off into a suitcase. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what the German less to who printed it in the intercept would just be like, you you know, would kill themselves by shooting themselves in the back of my head in the car. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, times.

That was the best. Forget into my car, start the ignition and scatter myself over three or four blocks. Or, or, or conversely, like it would go to a journalist who the source would then disappear or spend a long time in federal prison. And then that journalist would get really weird on Twitter over the next few years. Does that mean? Glenn Greenwald, right? It is a Glenn Greenwald, yeah. I wasn't gonna say.

So Jason Bond has been shot. He's like lying in the fucking East River. And we cut to Niffy, who is like in a coffee shop. The source would end up in prison and then transitioned whilst in prison. That's right. And then take grimes for a drink.

Jason Bourne transitions dates grimes. This is all factual. Yeah, this is yeah, I remember I saw that this happened actually. Yeah, I thought it was I thought it was weird. It's real. Well, I mean, you know, it's nice to take the series in a new direction.

I was born born knows the ways of the fishermen. That's true. Like like the salmon. He's the humble salmon. Yes. Yes. He jumps into the river.

Yes. Yes. And he turns pink and his jaw gets really fucked up. He goes home. That's just like, I said, that's what it does to you. Happens the best of it. We see Nikki hearing the news and she's like, oh, man, that's crazy. That's just like, Charles, that's what it does to you. Happens the best of it. We see Nicky hearing the news and she's like, oh man, that's crazy.

Everyone's been arrested. Nobody wants to talk to me though, so I'm fine. Also, they haven't found Jason Bourne's body, so I'm just gonna smile because I know he's alive. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. I know you have a I think I actually do I know you do So we, we have, we, we at one point had two science-based systems on this podcast. We had a science-based system called Operation Treadstone and then a science-based system called Operation Blackbrie, which was largely the same, but turned out to be slightly more contrived. After seeing the audience at the live show, chant the word scum, and we decided to bring the scum system back.

Yes. It's cool. It's based. We're going to get a great question. So the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, with anything with a lot of trans people involved in it, the Gertz diminishes very rapidly and unexpectedly. And so what we have instead is the science-based skumsist. Science-based.

For smart cultural insensitivity, unprovoked violence and misogyny. So how do we think the born automatae does on smart? Not. Well, smart is there in bornatae does on smart? Not. One smart is there in born, there's no smart in born. He gets a little bit when he does his Jason born movie, he's like, if we were in your office, we wouldn't have it this time. You know, I wanted to give him a one for his repeated.

All of the like, all of the lip shit is entirely earnest. Like Pam Landy's like, yeah, no, this is not who we are. She's not like waggling her eyebrows at all there. She's fully enlightened. She's like, this is not who we are. She's not like waggling her eyebrows at all there. She's fully like, this isn't who we are. This isn't the CIA. I don't, don't ask what we were currently doing at the time this movie was made, but this isn't us. So yeah, one, I think that's fair.

Okay, okay. Cultural insensitivity. I'm just gonna like remind you of the subtitle, Chattering and Arabic. Not great. I'll tell you that for free. It forces the accuses every British cop of having a whistle, which you can't be culturally insensitive against the British we invented it. That is true. That is true. That is true. Okay. Yeah, we did. Don't we? Huh? Say three, maybe. Maybe. Hi, too. Okay, too. Unprovoked violence. Well, if I could fucking see any of it, question mark, completely impossible to tell. X X out of like, I have no idea. He does actively like refrain from

committing some violence. We see that when he's in the office in Madrid, Nicky says, like, other two guys see, they're unconscious, but he hasn't killed them. He refuses to shoot the cop at the start. You refuses to shoot the cop, you refuse to kill, but professing shame, free. Yeah, that's pretty low. Let's give it a zero, but like, I think it could actually be a zero, because It's good, it's good. I want to say zero, but like. I think it could actually be a zero,

because he's like, part of Jason Bourne's deal is that he is always provoked. He just wants to be like left alone. And it's not even in like, a sort of like artificial death wish sort of way where like him not being left alone is like a kid chewing gum for blocks over. I mean, he does also execute a man

when he commits to the program. Ah, that's also execute a man when he commits to the program. Ah, that's true. The second he commits to that program, to be sure to be committed to that program. Oh, he, I'm not pressing it. He commits to the program. Uh, that is a murder. That is, yeah, that is very much murder. But it is portrayed as being bad.

It is. Yes, to be about like he, he even asks, will you commit to this program, man? A guy whose name I have not learned. Who is this guy? Like, what does he do? To his responses? That doesn't matter. You're going to commit to the program or not? Listen, motherfucker, this program, shit. Are you committing to it? To? Yeah, I'd like to actually circle back to the program. And, bestie, I'm coming back to this program thing. Re-program, and do you committing to it?

Per my previous email, will you commit to this? He's getting me, and again. Getting a text from avi3 in the morning, it's like will you commit to this program? I will do that. That could be good to do that. How about two for me? I will. I do that. I do that could be good to do that. How about two for me? I'll go to a two.

I'll go to a two. I'll go to a two. Yeah. And misogyny. Surprisingly high in that. Yeah, I think so. Nikki, like, they give her something to do for the first time in this movie other than be terrified and they totally beef it.

She just kind of, she, she knows Kung Fu and Karate and then gets kicked three times in the face inside a second and then just doesn't say anything. Which would be fair, I wouldn't say anything after that. It's kind of weird. It's this kind of weird space where like your female characters can either be competent and strong like Pam or they can be desirable, but they can't be both. Yeah, yeah. Because Nikki is like made up and like framed very much like romantic lead and like she's like very attractive and this is kind of emphasized.

And with her outfits, very flattering. Whereas the real heads want Pam to top them, but that's not a story. But it's this weird that she can either be hot or cool, but not hot. Yes, yeah, no, I agree. There's a little bit of, they don't really do any sort of like, go-boss shit with Pam though, which I appreciate. She's just quite competent there. But yeah, I think with Nicky that makes it like a Three three yeah, three three two three two three four five six seven eight, which is pretty good

For a terrible movie that's very difficult to watch that's not morally bad Yeah, yeah, it's really hard to watch bad. It's not a part with your eyes only. Yeah. Yeah. It's really hard to watch, huh? It's really fucking, I can't see. It's possible. It's possible, must have. Do we have Kaufman Rosette or Kaufman on this one? I don't really have. Really good night to Mickey. Yeah, I'm really appreciate it. You know, she deserves it. I think think you know who I think deserves a Kaufman is whatever doctor whatever's name was because he really did go above and beyond and trying to get Jason Bourne to commit to that program. Yeah fine.

He got he got warning that Jason Bourne was going to be coming. He's like, no, I'm going to stay here and make him commit to this program again. I will accept it only if he is billed in the in the as will you commit to this program man. Yeah, his character's name is fine. And then he retired to become James Bond's gamekeeper in Skyfall. Oh my god, that's where we've seen him. It's Albert Finney. Welcome to Scotland. Yes. Oh, sick going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that.

I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that.

I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be We have two extra bonus episodes every month. Next time we'll be doing a Q&A. We will. We will. And the next one, the next one in this. I want to be no, the Q&A will come out before this. We'll be last week's episode. Next week will be a bonus, which we have not decided yet. It's turn. I might be mine. So it gets out as such though. We'll consider things. And then after that we're gonna do the born legacy. The born legacy? The born legacy.

Yeah, yeah. Incidentally, one thing I've just noticed, what the fuck is his automata? He doesn't have an automata. None of his names make any sense. Identity is good. Fuck. This is the ultimate of the world.

The ultimate of the ultimate. We will we will catch him's bonds. We'll return with the born legacy that does not have Jason. We have committed to this program. We are committed to eyeballs on that pod. Welcome to season two. Swans for you David. on that pod. Welcome to season 2. Swans for you David. Thank you for listening to yet another episode of Kill James Bond. Owing to the way that I am, I'm recording this at quite genuinely the last possible minute.

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