Upstream - Episode 32: The Bourne Legacy

Episode Date: May 10, 2022

The Bourne Legacy is a perfect case study for what happens when a series is getting tired, so you bring in a new guy to breathe new life into it- and it really works! until the final half hour, where it's heroic attempt to reach out of the pile of slop, like Sandman in Spider Man 3 attempting to impose order on his constituent parts through sheer force of will, eventually fails and it collapses back into formless, meaningless Bourne-slop. Or something like that   Find bonus episodes at our reasonably-priced patreon! https://www.patreon.com/killjamesbond   *WEB DESIGN ALERT*  Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here:  https://www.tomallen.media/   Find us at https://killjamesbond.com and https://twitter.com/killjamesbond

We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary. Hello and welcome to another episode of Kill James Bond. I am Alice Kool-Daw Kelly, joining me as always,rapa Gale Thorne and Devon. Hello. How you doing? And we have committed to this program. We have watched the one good film they accidentally put in the middle of the Born franchise as a joke. Mostly. The one that doesn't have Jason born in it. We watched the Bourne legacy, the one where they try to hand it off to Jeremy Renner and it doesn't quite work. I was surprised by this film because I thought this was going to be a soft reboot, but

actually, listen, no. Unless you have recently watched the last three Jason Bourne films and taken very detailed notes, which we have, this will be incomprehfucking henceable. They won't stop referencing them. It's fully a part of the like BCU, the Bourne Cinematic Universe. It exists on the same timeline as the previous Bour movie, the born... Automatum. Automatum. But like harshly overlapping and like parallel to it.

So we begin in the middle of nowhere in Alaska where we are introduced to the recurring theme of just a guy lying completely dead in the water and you think it's Jason Bourne. But it's actually Aaron Cross, Jeremy Renner, who begins with a perfect pierce-brossing and emerging from water shots. Looking good, looking good. Just looms out of this like almost frozen lake, hair all fucked up, he's got like a beard and everything. And he's there doing He's got like a beard and everything. And he's there doing sort of thread stone style training. Yeah, he's training to be a chimp.

Yeah, he's training to become a chimp. This is where they train all of their chimp. This is the chimp retreat. Yeah. The company lets them loose in Alaska in the absolute center of nowhere. Yeah, he like gets some capsules. He's taking estrogen.

No, that's not even the capsule he gets. He gets like a thing with some instructions in it out of the bottom of this lake and then goes and like warms himself up by a fire. And we see that he's in the middle of nowhere. We get the big sort of characteristic Jason Bourne, like camera pull back thing to the whole Alaskan wilderness. You also learn that he's getting fucked with by wolves. Yeah. He's mad about these wolves, Fage.

He really has a grudge against these wolves. We see him like fight off these wolves by like swinging a burning torch at them. And then we go to Washington, DC, where we see director Kramer of the CIA entering the apartment of Jerry Seinfeld. And., where we see director, Kramer of the CIA, entering the apartment of Jerry Seinfeld. And as an applause break, which they stop doing after a while, because it was getting very strange.

That's right. When he's entering the house of a guy called Verso, he's like a retired admiral. He's like this real deep state guy. And he sort of gives him this dressing down. And the immediate lesson of this is like, essentially, the CIA and not the real CIA. The CIA are just idiots. They're a front for the real guys. We've had an interesting shift in the way the Bourne franchise just shows you the intelligence

community because in the first film, it was like,, oh there's like one or two bad actors within the CIA. Then in the second one it was like, oh there's like a rogue department. In the third one it was like, oh actually the highest levels of the CIA are aware of this illegal shit but there's also like good white hats within it. Now we've just gone, okay the real bad guys are not the CIA. There's like a CIA CIA called En NRAG. And the real election or bad. I don't know. National research assay group or something. We're like, basically, we've now reached the stage. We're like, actually, we can't even say anybody

in the CIA is bad. The real villains are like NRAG. It's like, okay. The real villain is the BIA. Don't worry about it. It's fully the deep states. It's who the bad guys are. 100%. It's two guys.

They're both like build as a retired marines or some shit. One was played by a Stacy Keach who is doing a phenomenal job being. Yeah, yeah. That's our retired admiral, so and then we have a retired Air Force Colonel. Eric, he's playing Brian Cox version three.

Yeah, Brian Cox three point. So and Eric Bair is played by Edward Norton and I just love to see Edward Norton's stuff. This is count one out of three of actor I love to see in stuff appearing in this movie. And honestly, I would because you know how this is going to play out. If you've ever seen a Jason Bourne movie, it is the CIA or the NRAG, I guess, hunt a Jason Bourne through a sissy or whatever, while a bunch of guys go bring that up on the big screen, check every doghouse, henhouse, give me some eyeballs on the street. And there's some likes of harried looking bureaucrat who's trying to manage

all of this. And I think Edward Norton does the best with it, since Frank and I. He's the first one, Jason Bournemouth, there's always a guy in the control room who says, hack, tap, bypass. He's the first one who I've found legitimately sinister. Yeah, absolutely.

He's going in this role. Listen, the first half an hour of this film is quite difficult to summarize because it's just a series of things happen It's like a bunch of disconnected scenes that like it's been already clear what's happening. I got so many drops from the first 10 minutes though Of which I have Kramer the CIA director talking about Jason Bourne So you know this is happening at the same time saying that he's just been in Moscow and while he was in Moscow The full Kossak pass the app is ours. It a full Kossak posse app is ours. Hell yeah, but then in my

I think what might be my quietly my favorite drop from this movie to show you that like Nrague the man behind the man Edward Norton at one point calls the CIA CIA clowns Edward North at one point calls the CIA. CIA clowns. Yeah, yeah, there's clowns in the CIA. Just honking towards Ben Lund's comp. Like showing him a flower. Yeah, it's 009, the clown age. Yeah, that's just...

So in a midst of this like disconnected things happening, we also get a flashback to Rachel Weiss, who's just so in a mist of this like disconnected things happening. We also get a flashback to Rachel Weiss who's looking really good Um to number two hours of three actors who I love to see in shit very pleasantly surprised She works for like a big farm corporation and we surprise that they make the chimped pills They make the pills that turn you into Jason or whatever it's called and we see we We see in Alaska that Jeremy, we're gonna keep these pills. He has like blue ones and green ones. He keeps them in a little like dog tag pill case around his mouth and mana.

Yeah, exactly. And he has to like take these every so often. Chimp estrogen. Yes. Yeah, you got to take your Easter dial. Yeah, what's one's, one's an ancient blocker and the other is trying to like it's yeah, we're kind of like it's already very heavily implied that like if you don't take these bills on time bad stuff happens. But so he hikes out of the wilderness into the location of a cabin where we find act of three of three. Right, I was so excited. I fucking lit, I whooped out loud and wrote Oscar in full caps because who do we see hanging out in a fucking like a tree, but Oscar Isaac? It's, this is genuinely the best part of this movie, I think,

is. Oh, it's really, really good. We, so these two, they come to understand that they're both agents, they're both chimps, and they're both taking the pills. And they have this really, really uneasy relationship because Jeremy Rennner, Aaron Cross, he keeps asking questions like,

why'd you send you out here? Is this cabinet in the middle of nowhere? Why'd they send me out here? How many of us are there? Why do I have to keep taking these things? And we also see that he secrets some, like, some of his pills, he just stuffs them in his boot and hides them, and then fakes like their lust. And this creates this immediate sort of dynamic of suspicion, because Oscar Isaac can kind of see through him. And he's like, well, I don't want to give you some more pills. And I really like their dynamic and this,

because they're both like neither of them, we eventually learn to know anything about this like program that trains Professor Chimps, for they both try to pretend that they do. Of also, by the way, this is the first time we're sitting in the podcast. Professor Chimps is what we call the professional assassin, super trained.

Go back and like, I'm much like this film, if you have not listened to that previous episode, this will be difficult. Yeah, yeah. Crypt notes on this. Okay, it was Mark Strong in the first one of these movies. It was definitely Mark Strong. He was activated by getting a text on his phone and what they texted him was presumably a random code word, but the code word was chimp.

And his codeame was Professor. So we called each of you assassins, Professor's chimp from there on in. Now we need to meet another character for the previous film, because Edward Norton is watching a YouTube video of our favorite character. Will you commit to this program? Dr. Hush, I think, his name is. Yeah, this conversation is great because it's essentially the Jason Bond will not be appearing in this movie meeting. I love this. It's so good.

You have a little meeting of all the guys and one of them is like, yo, you hear about this shit, Jason Bond, that's whack. That's crazy shit. And like Edward Dorn is like, shut the fuck up. Yeah. Jeff is speaking to me ever again. It's like the meme of the like the boss throwing the guy out of the window of the panel. It's 100%. And he has this sort of very menacing, bureaucratic affect, because like, no, this is not about one guy.

This is about a cancerous program that the CIA clowns have allowed to infect them. And we have to see how much it's like Metastasized so that we can cut it out and keep everything going as normal. So in the first in the first Jason born film The program to train professor chimps was called treads done Then we later learn there's another program called black briar now we've learning that there's actually like a third Secret program to train CIA assassins. Third and fourth and fifth. There's so many of these fucking, they've committed too much.

And each program trains people in a different way. So Jason Bourne was trained by being Donkton Coldwater and asked to commit to the program. And Cross has been trained by giving him pills that make him a super soldier, basically. Yeah, so it's turn him into chase. And the reason why they have, why Edward Norton has to destroy all evidence of the outcome project program is because Doc's a hush, Brian Cox number three, has just been on a YouTube video where he's like glad handing the guy who did the science for outcome. He's just like

giving a toast in his honor and they have not even tried to hide this. Like all the CIA torches likeologists and psychiatrists will about this settle in real life. Like they're all still working and like, you know, doing various things. But I think the vibe we meant to get here is more sort of like Sydney Gottlieb or you and Cameron, the sort of MK Ultra stuff, what they're doing, like behavioural mind control, shit. Yeah. Anyway, that's what Edward Norton's, that's what Edward Norton's up to. He's shutting down the program. When we met, um, Rachel Weiss, we, the scene that she's in, she, uh, gives a guy clearance

to get into the secret lab. And the guy is played by Zelchko Ivanovna. And if you're familiar with his work in any movie, you know that she's about to go ape shit and kill everyone. Yes. That's the only person he ever cast him to play. Yeah, yeah, he has that sort of look. We're interlacing this with Aaron Cross in the wilderness in this cabin and Alaska. He talks Oscar Isaac into giving him his pill, like some spare ones. And they have this fantastically tense

conversation where Aaron sort of tries to do the thing that Jason Bourne does at the end of the previous movie of unionizing the chimps where he's like, I have been sent here as punishment for not obeying my orders, for not committing to this program enough. I think you have been punished also. And Oscar Isaac goes, well, how do you know I'm not evaluating you? And in the first of many of what I would describe as sigma male actions that Aaron Cross takes, he goes, oh, care, do you ever just not care? And this sort of like stuns Oscar Isaac to the point that he gives, what I think is the best line in the movie, shit, maybe you're evaluating me.

Yeah. He was so good. That's really fun. It's like, neither of them fucking know that's really good. Yeah, but treating everything with very much seriousness, they're also, they have to take blood samples once a day, and while they're both there, a drone arrives to pick up errands and I think Oscars stuff.

Yes, yeah. Because they're sort of like being augmented with these hills. They call them kems all the time. Yeah, it feels very video gamey, honestly. Yeah, you've got to like regularly monitor other levels, it's important to do that, especially for self-medding. Yeah, they send the drone off to gender GP or wherever.

Yeah, so Edward Norton is shutting down project outcome. We see that there are like Professor Chimp agents in Iran, in Pakistan, and in South Korea. And they're all being given new pills that I call, we've got new estrogen. Which leaves me to the first part of the ultimate drop button that I have compiled here, because the Alchem agent in South Korea

goes to get her pills, their new pills, they're like yellow triangular ones. And she goes, what happens to the green and blue ones? We're transitioning everyone in the program. You're talking about to make more of me! I'm assisting Gareth Mallory in the transition. I always thought he was gay. Ah!

Ah! Transitioning everyone in the program. Transitioning everyone in the program. Will you commit to this program? We also get my favorite shit ever, which is something that I cannot stop noticing since you pointed it out, Alice, which is that when they cut to the Middle East, you get my favorite shit in the world, which is

Moezin' Filling Time. moes in filling time. So fucking good every time. So this, what happens is these yellow pills, these are poison, they're kill switches. And so we see all of these guys just drop dead doing whatever they're doing, intercut with Edward Norton just being sinister in a conference room. This is really good. My only issue with it is, why is, like, I know immediately what's going to happen with this shit, why is the only one of these guys who's going to survive Jeremy Ranner, the least interesting one? Like, give me a movie about anyone else of these people.

No, I really like Jeremy Renner in this. I think he's just, it really knows before. He's good, but like, any one of these people would have been more interesting to me. Give me the the agent in South Korea, you know, or the one in Pakistan. I really like him and I think he's a better character than Jason Bourne and I will explain why later when we get to a specific moment. He has an arc rather than just being dunked in a Water and becoming cool. Yeah, and so Of course if we're killing off all of the all of the outcome agents, we also have to kill off Oscar Isaac and Jeremy Rannand and so

They deploy a predator drone because this movie has learned about drone stride. Yes This this is 2012 so it's topical, you know. So quickly was Oscar Isaac planted in my lap only to immediately take him away, but we do get like a genuine phenomenal moment because they see, they hear what it's coming in. They don't even see it. It's heavy snow. I like, where the fuck would it be coming out right now? It's heavily snowing. And like Oscar Isaac's trying to hail it. And they're like, the two of them are like, what the fuck is going on?

And you can see the very second Oscar's like, goes born mode. Yes. And he's like, I don't know. There's this like unspoken thing that like passes between them. And it's like, okay, this time to start the killing. I really like the dynamic and what of course happens is that Oscar Isaac gets killed, he gets blown up by the predator drones missile. And I'm kind of like, I'm in two minds about this,

right? Because you've killed off the best dynamic of the movie. And I would have enjoyed more of this, you know, I don't necessarily want a buddy-born movie, but these two together for more of the running time, I think would have been really fruitful. As it stands, you just get this one good scene. It's enough to make you make it impactful that Oscar Isaac has been killed, but it's not as impactful as it could be. Yeah, absolutely. But so all of the outcome agents have a tracking device

implanted in their hip. And so when Oscar Isaac has blown up, Jeremy Ranna now in born mode knows that that's how they're tracking them. And so he just puts a plate and some tin foil over his hip in a sort of like improvised RFID blocking thing Yeah, that's quite fun because you can see you get another classic people in a control room

Scene which yeah, the drone pilots who are just like oh well, there's another signal here Let's just go ahead and fucking nuke this shit And then it disappears because he puts the RFID locker plate and like tapes it under a shit. And they go, oh, I'll fuck this. So I will be back. Yeah. And of course they do come back. I find I find the drone scenes in this movie a bit anemic is the thing. Like I think they kind of captured this sort of like looming horror for a second when they're just like in this blizzard and they're looking at each other like, what the fuck?

But after that, it's just kind of, there isn't that sense of, well, predation from a predatory drone. No, absolutely. In fact, I'm kind of predatory as is on it, right? Because he like goes up there and fucking shoots it down with just a normal gun. Which does lead to Edward Norton, one of my favorite moments from him, where after they get shot down by Jeremy Reynolds, the rifle, they go, what the fuck kind of weapon system is you're using? And one of the CIA goons goes, yeah, I think it just has a rifle. And they're so obviously

hurt by it. That's like spare their feelings, Edward Norton goes, it's a high-powered rifle. Yeah, it's so good. Just like, don't worry, it's all. Yeah, it's quite my windowed-wold pilot is sad. I should say there is a profoundly stupid bit which we're glossing over here, which is the way in which he shoots down that drone is when it comes back. So he's been bitching about these

fucking wolves every scene in the movie. He every like that's the weakest part of the rapport with Oscar Isaac is he's like, yeah, no, the wolves followed me over the mountain. I got to do something about these wolves remember the wolves that are in the room. Yeah, um, Oscar Isaac goes some a gun to fight the wolves. So what he does is he, he surgically extracts his own tracking device, waits for the wolves to show up, and then he force feeds it to a wolf. He like gets the wolf, he gets the wolf in a headlock, and then like a dog you're trying

to make, take a deworming tablet. He's just like swallowing it, fucking swallowing it. And he like gets it, he feeds it to a wolf. The wolf runs away. You know it's gonna happen from the fucking- The wolf gets fucking atomized. It's like, there is Jeremy Rana, there is a wolf and there's a predator drone approaching and I wrote holy fuck. Holy shit. They're gonna drone this wolf. Wolf and destroy it. It's fucking wolf. It's like raining down across like a square mile of lands.

Atomized. across like a square mile of lands. Atomized. And obviously with the wolf dead and the chip exploded, they go, all right, got him gone both nice and nice. The weirdest thing is they're like looking at this, this valley with infrared, with thermal imaging. That's how they're tracking the wolf. That's how they know to blow up the wolf.

But Jeremy Renner is also there and he's just wearing his fucking like Arctaric's jacket and shit like a jacket. It's it's it's really nice, but like yeah, Arctaric's good I like the Arctaric leaf stuff, but that's neat. He know that but like how do they not notice him like they look around and they're like Yep, it's all it's all quiet. It's all cold and still It's like what the fuck is where the fuck is Jeremy Ranner at this point? Like he picked up a power up. There might have been other thermal signals like in the forest from animals, deer wolves maybe like...

Jeremy Ranner in perfect wolf pose. It's like standing like a deer or such. Brats don't have that. I don't know, I don't know. Anyway, they fucking annihilate this wolf and they're like, jobs are good, that's well done. Clapperich, I'm on a wagon and they crack off. They will persist, they will persist in thinking that Jeremy Riner is dead for the next, I would say, third of this movie. Yeah, most of

it. It's, yeah. Which actually leads to like quite a genuinely good experience of watching the movie, like it, where they're just like, how the fuck is all this happening? What's going on? And they don't realize that they've got a chimp loose in the system. So, so, so, of course, the next, the next thing that has to happen in order to burn project outcome to the ground is the nerds, they got to go. The nerds are out of here, baby, and we get a fucking embarrassing scene. Yeah, the scene is really fucking hardcore. What we do is, it just drops a, like,

sort of, honestly, a workplace mass shooting horror scenes. This is one of two, like, quite horrific scenes in the film, but goes hard. It reminds me a bit of the foreigner in a way that made me less upset, in that it really does drop something on you with some, I would say relish. Like it really does not spare any horror with, the guy goes crazy and shoots all of his co-workers while looking completely impassive. And we follow Rachel Weiss as she, like, just about survived sort of perilously. She locks herself in an equipment fridge or something.

And we see that the guy has been like, secured his way in and like locked himself in with everybody by making sure that no one on the outside has a key card and he like breaks the handles of both sides of the door. And like sabotage is the estrogen making equipment and then like, you know, executes all of his like terrified co-workers. This scene is like really quite like horrible.

Yeah. Notching the unprovoked violence score up. Yeah, and when the security finally gets him, he shoots himself, which is the classic sign of a guy who is being like MK Ultra mind controlled. So you gotta start thinking about that. We also, we get a flashback where Edward Norton and Jeremy Rana have a scene together, which presumably somebody realized hang on a minute, these guys never meet.

So we get a flashback where Edward Norton explains what the purpose of like, project outcome is. Yeah, and he's explaining it to a guy who does not understand him. Like, the ideas they have both just done something horrible. outcome is. Yeah, and he's explaining it to a guy who does not understand him. Like the idea is they have both just done something horrible. And Jeremy Renners traumatized he's like wiping the child blood off himself, whatever. And then, and it would noten tries to explain to him through a very sort of obtuse allegory. And he goes, do you know what a sin eater is? To this guy who,

as we'll later find out, would have no reason to know that. Yeah, it's like Monster Hunter, but with guns, it's a... You're gonna say, but this is the closest we've come to, like, an explicit sort of, like, articulation of the lib value, well, this sort of, like, psycho-deep-state lib value. We got a bit of one from Brian Cox number four in the previous movie, but this is the most explicit one, which is like, yeah, no, we do all of the unconscionable stuff in order to make sure that our cause remains pure. He's doing like a few good manchains. He's like, you want me on that wall. Exactly.

You need me on that wall. You get that kippling shit of like, you know, sleeping pace for at home. Yeah, absolutely. I've gotta do that. Do that. We'll do a courtroom miniseries. Ooh, yeah. Ooh.

Yeah, so he, that's his view of them. They are synitists. They take all of the sins that they do into themselves. And the United States remains morally pure. This does not fucking work at all. That's where we get the line from the opening. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary. Yes. And we, it's never actually explained why they're necessary or what they do. Like they get, uh, Norton has the scene in a dino with a general when he's trying

to like wind up outcome. And this general's like, we get the best intelligence from these guys. We know about like North Korean nuclear tests. We have a highly play stage inside Pakistani ISI. And then like, Edward Norman just goes, yeah, okay, but we are in our jobs because we have to do the necessary thing and we're able to do it and this is it. And then the general's going, go, yeah, okay, fine. Confirmation over.

Not too obvious, and it's dead. Like, it is Confrontation over. Not to all the agents dead, like, yeah. Yeah. We get a little flashback where Aaron Cross is meeting Rachel Vise and like kind of hits on her and he's like a little bit jamming. He's doing sigma shifts again. He's like, genuinely, that's the best sort of model

for what I can describe his behavior as is that this is the way that Intel's think that like a sigma male acts. It's he's like, he's asking her questions about the program, which is all like highly classified and she's like, I can't tell you that. He's like, I don't care. What also, what are you doing later? And she goes like, you know, this is all being recorded right? So yeah, okay.

Again, sigma, right? That's what they think that kind of masculinity is. It's where you just don't give a shit and you're like unbound by the rules. In the present day, however, Aaron Cross has run out of estrogen, so he needs to seek out each of us. Yes. And conveniently, she's in all the papers because she's been photographed. There's like the sole survivor of this clinic shooting, which the NRAG have not even tried to cover up. They're just using the idea that it was like,

yeah, it was just a regular, ordinary, American workplace shooting. And then we get what I think is like, one of the most hardcore scenes in the film at her house. This is a credible scene. This is great. This is a sort of gas-like gate-keep go box.

So what happens is the feds arrive in the person of a psychotherapist, Dr. Connie Dowd, and some special agent. They give their names for they're pretty forgassable. And they get her into the kitchen and the vibe is sort of like it switches and a very this actually manages to sell Predatory in a way that the drone doesn't yeah, yeah, there is this sort of creeping sense of danger where they absolutely do gaslight her And and the vibe is like hey, we're just checking in on you and then it switches a bit to yeah Just just checking in on you because you booked a flight to see your sister in Montreal and that's it off some alarm bells I you sure that you are committed to this program But then the vibe switches again because I said we're just checking in on you because you know

Dr. Hillcott the guy who did the mass shooting you know We found documents showing that actually he was obsessed with you. Did you reject him? Like it's totally normal to feel guilty and like you are responsible for what what happened to your colleagues, but you're definitely not responsible for this. You're not having any suicidal thoughts, are you? Like, they literally, yeah, they do come back and the agent's like, yeah, I found her gun. You know, you're a real risk for suicide right now. And she's like, I'm not gonna fucking, they try and get her to kill herself.

Like, they try to unironically cowfman her. This is the first truly literal cowfman star, because Docs are connyed out. I have a bit of a crush here, I'll confess that much. It's just very, very, very, very, very, very, very gas-living her. Yeah, of course, it's normal to feel guilty given that he let you live, which is not what fucking happened, and we know that. And we know that. Yeah, like basically they try and get Rachel Vise

to kill herself out of survivor's guilt. And when it becomes very apparent that she's not going to. They are just fully on board to like, what are we are going to suicide you? Like we are going to like physically hold you down and like shoot you with your own gun. Yeah, like this, this scene listeners, like I would say this, the film is worth watching for this scene alone because it's like so fucking well written like so much of this is Elizabeth Marvel

who is a colony doubt. I think she really fucking so much. Oh, sinister. There's also a really nice little line which I knew you would pick up on Alice because Rachel Vise says like, oh, everything like fine. And now all of a sudden, it's like Defcon 4 in here. And- It's not Defcon 4. Defcon 4 is the lowest one, sorry. Yeah, exactly. I knew you would pick up on the Alice,

but I think it's actually a really nice detail because she gets it wrong because she's a civilian. It's a really nice little detail, like. Also, there's been like very little in this movie like one thing about the born franchise is that it does occasionally try to sell you on the idea that like being a part of this secret world is not cool it isn't based in let unless you're Jason born and even then he kind of hates it where like these two things are obviously intention right you can't be like uh sucks to do this but also you can effortlessly beat up anyone who opposes you. But they do try, right? But one divide that they've

kind of had is that like anyone for whom it's it's really, really unpleasant is either like in the way of one of the chimps or they're an insider, right? Like even the sort of like most civilian adjacent, like Nikki in the previous movies, she's still a CIA officer, right? Whereas now it's creeping towards like having a security clearance is not pleasant or cool because you have invited these people into your house and they can fucking kill you at any time. So they're trying to suicide her. And much like Leia Sado going James Bond, you don't have to be James Bond anymore. This is an invitation for a guy to enter and kick you so hard in the face that you fly across the room. Because Aaron Cross just enters.

He saves her. And they have a cool, they have a good gunfight and I can see it. I can see what's happening. It's fair. Yeah, I wrote it down. I can see what's happening. It's still like, it's still a bit cutty but it's like, it's fucking letter grades better. There's even a moment where I thought they might specifically be giving the middle finger to poor green grass because there is like, it a really long uncut shot of Jeremy

Redder leaving the house climbing on the roof climbing on the top roof going through the window and then shooting someone where it like doesn't cut. And I was like, are you deliberately like, are you deliberately like trying to make Paul Green grass look like shit? I put it as a few cuts as possible here. It's really good. It does a little slow mo bit when he does that parkour and I expected a little spinning Jason Bourne head to come up.

But no, I mean, I love the, I love the like, the N-rag guys. They have these like really slick short MP5 and they like the way that they clear the house, they like move professionally and methodically. They talk to each other. That's something that you never ever see in movies. It's like instead of going into this dark basement and just waiting for Aaron Gros to shoot me in the face, I'm gonna yell to the guy who I believe is down there, like, hey, you okay down there? Or have you been killed by Jeremy Ranner? It's really, really good, but of course the outcome is a foregone conclusion. He kills all of them and sort of secures the tentative, if terrified, trust of Rachel Weiss, who has been pointing her empty gun at a door

for the last five minutes. But so he gets her help to kill the last guy, which is nice, I like this. He is he is he is feeling for the meds. He needs his Easter diet. Yeah, he needs that estrogen. Oh, absolutely. He's taken damage. He needs to get that health pack in there. He needs the mana. He's used lots of special abilities. But he she doesn't have any and she's like, I'm a I'm a sciat. We don't make that. What do you think I'm like grinding this shit up with a mortar and pestle? It comes out of a factory. In the Philippines. Yeah. Also, he burns the house down, they leave.

As they're leaving, as they're driving away, the one bit that falls flat for me is the cops go past in the opposite direction, and he does the most obvious, like, I'm going to put my arm up to my face like this as they drive past. And it's like, that's the most suspicious thing you could be doing in this situation. But so she explains why she explains how they transgendered him. And I'm just going to drop a couple of drops here. So let's say you want to change the human body. You want to fix a mistake, which yeah, I'll assign gender with you with you so far. What they what they do is they they get you to take pills that use or they they can also use a

virus to target two things. You've had some very minor alterations made to two different chromosomes. And so that's why they have green ones and blue ones. The green one is the physical, the blue one is the mental. That's right. And Elton Lanna. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But she surprised that he's still taking his health pills because he doesn't need them. What they did is he's been infected with a virus that sort of locked in those changes

permanently. And he didn't even know about this. As far as he was away, he just had a bad flu that almost killed him. He gets very upset about it. And I'll be honest with you, this movie does a pretty good job in applying very heavily that the scientists involved in this are complicit. Yeah, it's a nice movie. It's not, oh, I do know, is not an excuse that he accepts all of it, the movie accepts,

which I really do quite like. The thing about Dr. Hirsch, right, is that he's in the previous movie for about five minutes, going, will you commit to this program? And then when Jason Bourne actually gets to him, he's like, yeah, how's it going? Everything's fine, don't worry about it. What's up, Chief? And then they kill him off-screen halfway through this movie, by the way. There's fine. Don't worry about it. What's up chief. And then they kill him off screen halfway through this movie. By the way, there's like a new stover's like, Albert Hirsch,

dead as fuck. No worries. Yeah. And Rack has had him, has had him, uh, got, you know, kind of heart failure, which we never actually hear is, is, um, officially them, but it's like implied. So, so, so Hirsch, Hirsch never gets to like, uh, gets to advocate for his viewpoint at all, which I guess makes sense of his character, but Rachel Wess does. She's like, I just work in science. I'm interested in the science. I thought I was serving my country. And she has this sort of great moment of hypocrisy where she turns to the guy who she's

been fitting up with the sort of magic used to dial. And she fully experimenting on. Yeah, and she goes, and I know you don't care, but I made a huge sacrifice. I couldn't publish, I couldn't conference, I couldn't tell a single person what it was I did. Which is just it's so fucking perfectly like myopic. It's like so egotistical and it's like yeah, no I totally believe that she would think this and it gives her a great motivation to like help him for the rest of the film namely guilt Yeah, absolutely. Oh, yeah, I love these things. Anyway, she says if they can go to next location Which is the Philippines and they can get some of this live virus then they can inject him with that

and assuming he survives, that will also lock in the blue pill, the mental changes stuff. Yeah, also I should point out that we do have another example of the like, I want to get off Mr. Bowen's wild ride here where he is like, stop the car and he's like, yeah, go ahead, they'll just kill you. He's like, you make an excellent point. So, I got to go on and she's like, because it's a nice report to this. So, we can't to the back room of the pharmaceutical

company, which is like making these pills, which they're marketing to the general public or about to. And the names that they've given them are Require and Suppressal in, which I really like. And they're so bitch. It is not evil, take your suppressor in. Take your normal effect. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not taking this. We gotta watch equilibrium at some point.

Yeah, we will. Which is a delicacy. So, but we see Edwin Norton watch equilibrium at some point. Yeah, we will. Which is the alaca. Yeah. So, but we see, we see Edward Norton is in the back room, conferring with like various deep state guys. Hark, tap. Why pass, contain. One thing that is really funny is that because this is

happening parallel to the previous born, we get to hear the director Kramer at one point bitching about the Guardian genus, which does give me a good drop. This guy's a writer for the Guardian. He's really transformed. Oh no. The Guardian. You're gonna say that, I guess we ever get

who's saying on as a guest. But so because it's tied into the previous movies idea of like the Guardian are so crusading that you have to fucking kill them before they give up the story, one of the things that Edward Norton tries to do is to smear Rachel Weiss to be like, oh, she's unreliable, she's dangerous,

she had like a DUI, and then five minutes later, the Washington Post runs with this, and he's like, oh, we didn't even ask them to do this. And that's so fucking funny. Yeah. He just goes like, there's a lesson there who's like the spin doctrine. She's like, all right, we'll just be like,

no, I can go near this house because she stole some samples in its dangerous. And like, they look, no, like, oh, not only are the Washington Post gonna go that story, but they've also dug out the DUI and included that. Yeah. Democracy dies in darkness. There's also something that I noticed in these scenes of Edward Norden in the Controllment, which is that the Jason Bourne films are all supposed to be taking place.

I gather within a few months of each other. Yeah, like 2005 or something. Yeah, but technology has now moved on. So whereas in Jason Bourne, One, they all had massive mechanical keyboards and CRT monitors. Now they've got drones and flatscreen, so they're like, wow, technology has really advanced quite far in the Bourne universe.

Yeah, and they're like, oh, we saw this shit on YouTube. And if you look at the timeline, YouTube would not have existed at this point. Yeah, but that's not the kind of fucking criticism I like to do, baby. Edward Norton is using the classic IMTP laptop, because I'm a Lenovo Thinkpad, just this massive. Yeah. So we get to what would now in a traditional born movie be Jason

born, cuts a woman's hair and dies at black in a hotel bathroom and FUXA, which is they go to a hotel. They're about to try and fly some vanilla. He does not die her hair. He does give her a fake identity. Yeah, but Rachel Vise asks him, wouldn't it be easier if you just detransitioned and then dad wouldn't be upset when he sees you now? She literally says, why do you want to stay in hunt?

Do I feel like the clue is in the meaning of the word in hunts. Why do you want to remain cool? What the fuck is that? He's a super soldier. Yeah, but he explains why, which is he only has the blues left. He's running out of them. Those are the ones that increase your mental acuity, your intelligence. And he shows her a picture

of himself. He was, he was not like Jason Bourne, a captain, the only cool rank. He was a private first class in the 34th armoured. And... I only recruited, he's looking to make a quota. He had at 12 points to my IQ. It's the minimum IQ requirement to en the United States Army. It's five. It's five. So a 73 IQ, pretty profoundly disabled. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

So that raises like a number of genuine questions about the recruitment process for this. Yeah, because we see a video of him later where they are recruiting him. And he like, he doesn't really know what state he's from, he's not entirely certain of like where he is. And it's like, okay, but Jason Bourne, right? Jason Bourne was a volunteer, that's why he had to commit to this program. And he was like, presumably sort of like,

outstanding in his field and shit then so they had to hold that shit to build on. This guy is like some random PFC who shouldn't have been in the army in the first place, who then got blown up. Like he's sort of been wounded by an IED. And then they go, okay, yeah, this guy. Yeah, this guy, this is our super soldier baby.

Yeah. I'm not sure if the like points of that is that these guys are like disposable or I don't know, I don't know if it's intentional or not. I think it's interesting if it is. I thought it added to the kind of predatory vibe of an emergency. Yeah, that's for sure.

Yeah, absolutely. It definitely castes the militaries as predatory, which is again again, accurate. There are a lot of people who were misted in the eyes of him who should not have been. It adds to Rachel Vicer's guilt, like, oh, fuck, like we really kind of fucked this guy up. It also gives us quite a hilarious ticking clock, which is that if I don't get my chip estrogen, I will become a dumbass. That is, he literally says this to her.

He goes so fun. Oh, yeah. Have you ever seen someone go off the blue meds because in training they told us about it It's not pretty and I've got a lot dumber to get which is like so fucking broot. I wish they run with this more like when he gets off the plane in the Philippines He's like reading Jordan Peterson like this guy's got some good clients, and he starts off with a broad G, and then gradually gets like reading a daily mail. Like, he's got the Bino. Like they have, when they do the pre-bornification scenes with him, it's so fucking funny. Because it's like, the ticking time bomb here

is that if this man does not get his meds, he's gonna become tropic thunder simple Jack. But it's quite fun. He starts off listening to Kill James Bond and then by the end, he's listening to Lesson Television podcast here. Yeah, Phil, yeah, he's listening to Trash Future, he's going down to the...

Yeah, he starts off watching for last week's evening by the end, he is watching something else. Yeah. So I mean, let me just say here that the sort of the views of intellectual, like emotional disability, whatever, are not those of the podcastes, right? Those are the ways that the movie fucking portrays it, right? This, you literally get video of him doing this,

and they're like, this is what will happen to me if I don't take the pills, and this is something that I am willing to risk my life to avoid. You know, take that as you will, right? So they make it that Shanghai, baby. Oh, we don't, the fuck am I talking about? They make it to the Philippines.

It's a little detail. They fly business class. I'm like, yeah, whenever I'm on the run and trying to stay low, I fly business class. He forges. He forges her in a car for business class. And I'm going to keep it real with you. You're not forging a passport and a hotel room, especially when you're bleeding IQ points But so so they go through the airport together and at one point like they separate in the air books

They can't be seen together. They can't be filmed together and they gave him Jason born phone training because once she's through security She sits in a cafe and this happened Where are you? I'm right behind you. Hey! He can't help it! Hi! Hey, Clean. Looking good.

You're looking at him tired. He's tired. He's so Rachel Vicer glasses. Hello. Well Rachel is generally hello and she loves playing this kind of role. She was sort of playing sort of broadly the same one on the constant gardener, which is also on my list Also, there's a bit where Jeremy Renner gets on the plane and because he's like suspicious and paranoid He has a jump scare seeing a guy who looks exactly like Joe Biden Just in a seat across the aisle

like Joe Biden just in a seat across the aisle. It's fully the like Moha and Drive like kind of jump scare and it's just. It also be quite scared if I saw Joe Biden. Oh yeah. Absolutely. I wouldn't. I would immediately enter down. While they're on the plane, we enter boredom mode because we got to do at least 15 to 20 minutes of all of the previous movies were like a guy put stuff off on the big screen priority One get me some eyeballs on the street Toll roads out houses But I put a big marker down right now everything up to this point. I fucking loved I had such a genuinely good time with this movie, and an everything after is the born ult made him too. This is where the down is. Yeah, it's such a shame because they had so many genuinely like good ideas, and but just not quite enough to film it. It doesn't, I'm still enjoying it at this point.

For me, it doesn't get really bad until the last half hour. Yeah, not to escape the lab. Yeah, we have to deal with a lot of like CIA clowns. So I like the big, Hong Kong Aussie guy in there for the things. We'll fucking get to him. But so yeah, because they get to, they get to Manila, Jeremy Renner is at this point becoming more and more out of it, but the way in which he's doing it is like, this is this sort of horrible fate for him that they've teased us with.

And he just kind of seems a bit tired, like groggy. Yeah. He like effortlessly blazes his way through a conversation to like get the security guard to let them in. And then when they're in the secret lab, he just kind of like, you know, this is his focus a bit. Yeah. It's a bit sort of underwhelming. But so with very little fanfare, they just get in the secret lab. She opens like a cabinet that has the virus in it and she just jabs him up with it. And he gets like, he gets the 5G or whatever. And then we get the moment that I that I quite like,

and the moment that is average is why I like Aaron Cross more than Jason Bourne, because the plant security sends some guards down. And if this was Jason Bourne, he would have made a trap out of paper clips and beat them up. But Aaron Cross talks to them first, and that's what I like about him, is that his first instinct is to use his persuade skill. I think that's really good. It's good that his first instinct is to use his persuade skill. And I think that's really good. It's good as a character and also it adds tension because I know he can beat people up, but I don't know.

Well, will he convince these guys that I have them? Oh, no, not like, and he doesn't, and he beats them up. But it's still like a fun thing. One thing I really like is that you can see the sort of progression. You can see the continuum of force there because he goes from like, starting to like being friendly with them, like, hey, guys, how's it going? You can't touch that. This is dangerous. To then trying to trick them to be like, you know what, just stay there. I'm going to call

you a boss about it. And it's only when he leads them down a corridor that then he is almost forced to fight them. Yeah, it's good. But I should say the reason why this has happened is because Edward Norton has figured out where they're going and what identities they're traveling under. And he's essentially gone call the nearest Australian. Yeah, there's a big lot. He calls this guy up.

He's called like Shane. Yeah, he calls this guy up and he's like, all right, listen, I'm sending through two pictures of two people. I just want you to let me know if you've seen these guys and Shane's like, fuck it now, yeah, no, we've seen it. Yeah, no, yeah. The downstairs. Yeah, I'm just about to send a guard down.

And they're like, I don't do that. Yeah, same good, right to those guys. This isn't just don't let them leave. Also, the sort of casual vibe that Shane has going on, he's wearing a, it's really cool. He's wearing a Rolex Daytona, he's got frosted tips, he's wearing a, a striped polar Ralph Laurence. It's, it's fucking, it's fucking great. He's got the most perfect head of security vibe of all time. Yeah, it's just yelling at everyone.

Yeah, absolutely. Also, back in the CIA control room, one of the guys who really is taking a lot of initiative goes, why don't we deploy Professor MegaChimp? This is where I got so upset. Yeah, because they've got another secret kill squad. It's a new secret kill. This one is called Lux3. Projects Tom Clanty's Hawks and the deal with these guys is that they're like, they're fucking robots, man. They're scary. They're scary. Any affect, they're scary.

But that's the thing they've been doing. You know, you can unionize the chimps. They've been doing that with the original chimps. That was a professor chimps original deal with the like, he had a totally flat affect until he was about to die. You can't order an actor, it's like act flatter than the last guy who was acting totally flat.

Like, so it just comes off as more of the same, but it's fully like it was an illegal kill squad. It was an illegal kill squad. It was an illegal kill squad. This one, it was an illegal kill squad. Yeah, this guy, this guy professor Megachimp is basically just like the chimney. That's just thing.

It's so unbelievably funny that they were just like, all right, we're shutting down all of the chimp programs. We're done with a get rid of them. We're going to kill all of these chimps that are in the field just to get rid of this shit. Okay. All right, we're in some danger. All right, we do actually have another chimp program also going. Yeah.

We could just grab a guy from there if you want Yeah, they've ring-fenced Eat chimp with another chimp. It's like a one-to-one Yeah, if one of the like if one of the Tom Clancy's Hawks guys goes rogue They've got another chimp outside of that to take them out and they're even like another chimp outside of that to take them out and they're even like more of a nesting doll of chimp. Yes, but they're just like, all right, go another layer down, fuck it. These guys are even less empathetic.

You say, you say, you say, you say, um, uh, nesting doll, curious little detail that I noticed, uh, Professor SuperChimp actually wearing the same sunglasses as Nadia and Russian doll. Um, so, there you go. Actually, we're wearing the same sunglasses as Nadia and Russian doll. So, autism is a developmental condition characterized by... So... Can you take it to Phyllis, Alas? We get a scene where it's... Right, okay. There's two interpretations of what is happening right now to Jeremy Renner and Cross.

Sure. right now to Jeremy Runner and Cross. And he implies that last time when he got viraled off one of his pills, it made him very sick for a bit. Yes. So either what has happened to him right now is that he is very, very ill or he's shared like 50 IQ points

and the movie doesn't do a great job of showing you which it is. The way that Edward Norton describes this is if he hasn't taken it, he's going to run out of brain. We are going to do reverse limitless on this guy. He's going to be reverse Lucy. Yeah, yeah. Limitless. Oh, come now. He's going to be limited. So on his way out, he beats up the head of security shane, takes his watch.

There's a bit that I like. They're in a crowd of like workers who are fleeing. There's a bit that I like where like he hides by calling for security. Yeah, that's quite fun. Just cool. Yeah, it's good. He's like, he's getting seriously sick and Rachel Wise has to like, carry him to a hotel in the back streets

of Manella where they are, you know, sort of safe for a bit while he sweats out this fever. And we get another nice Aaron Cross thing where he's like, you know, you can leave. Like there is $40,000 stitched into the lining of my jacket. And also I have this Rolex. I could have told you this previously in the car, but you know, whatever, you were being a bitch then. Well, you still need it to get, that's true.

You need it to get viraled off. And he's like, all right, we're done. Now you've done everything that you can for my school of you. Do you want to just skip? Trade off a, I receive brain, you receive. And of course, we've outgrown dollars and a Rolex. The cool 90s sex scenes from the original born identity, even the born born movies that are outgrown

those by the next one. So like at no point in the movie, these two do anything more than hold hands. They don't even kiss. I like that. I like the VHS friends. It's nice that we don't get a Compat romance. There's a little bit of maybe there's something

between a little bit of it. It's kind of implied that maybe when they say it off together, the end, maybe something will happen. But I like that they're just kind of friends. She comforts him. It's nice. To me, it reads like Compat, but they're too pussy to show it.

And I'm saying penetration on nothing. Yeah, you want to see the day. I want to see the Jeremy Rana penis. Yes, I do. Yeah, the enhanced penis. Yeah, he's got a third pill that he takes. Yeah, absolutely. That's a disaster and cream dad, they did it much better.

That's a will you come to this program? To this program. Okay. Yeah, so he's like sweating out the virus, right? She goes for medication to go and get him from paracetamol. And as she does a million Filipino cops go past the door, like fucking inspectors and a garthal, right? Like massive cops.

Pie of them like fucking world war zeb rat pit zombies just. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and and and Professor mega-jimp is there also. And and the CIA sorry, Enrag, I like hooked into the the Philippine police so they're like watching all of this on cameras. Rachel Wyse warns him, she like shouts to him, both getting the cops to chase her, but alerting him and time to escape by doing some park or shit over the rooftops while she runs. And this is exactly the scene from Morocco in like the previous board move. It's unbelievable how fucking perfectly it is, just the scene from where I'm like, It's the same.

I've seen. He's doing parkour, he's being chased by a chimp, there's a bunch of cops, and then later on they transitioned to motorcycle cops, which are the cooler cop. And it's like, I've seen this. Yeah. I've watched this happen already.

She's trying to escape. We once again get the like, crowd as like sort of impediment, which speaks strange language and so on. She tries to hide, but like a woman kicks her out of her house and calls the cops. They do, there is a nice moment where Jeremy Renner and Professor Megajimp get caught in a narrow alley between two buildings

and they have to have like a fistfight in like a one and a half foot gap. That was the quite cool. I wish they'd done more of that. Yeah, but then of course we have to get to, Professor Megajimp doesn't park or down a big like sort of scaffolding, but then we have to get into a motorcycle chase. And at this this point simply old habits because two things happen First of all, this is entirely the chase scene from Moscow in the second to last board movie The full car track past the upper zers with the corpse chasing him and the champ chasing him Also, however, we go back fully to green grass cinematography. And I have written down simply, I can't see.

We even do the recurring shot of the foot pressing the accelerator. We think that five times in this fucking scene. It's Jeremy Renner, a bike guy. Is that, is he a motorbike guy? Is that what the scene is though? I don't know. There's such a long bike jet. Like there's the most dangerous, like they're just, they're fucking driving around, right? The ice is there just sort of semi falling off permanently. And they're just driving, they're causing crashes of buses. And I wrote,

this is the safest motorcyclist I've ever seen. Yeah. Yeah. She tries to like, hit him with a motorcycle helmet, and we see that she like really winds it up for this. And he just completely no sells it because he's like, woman, nope. He gets bombed with that motorcycle, and she like, overbalances and throws all her limbs out to each direction to maintain balance.

And I really liked that. Yeah, it's like a designated, it goes on a bit long, but it's okay. And then seconds later, he becomes the most killed. I see so tech. Yeah. He gets knocked into a column. And I assume, I fucking hope this is CGI,

does about 50 backflips before landing, like making it into deep-dented concrete. Her folgally lands like a dead yamcher. But Rachel Vise takes him out. She hits him off the bike and she kills the mega-chimp. I mean, Aaron Cross got shot, but it's like pretty inconsequential. They use the Rolex to buy their way onto a boat

and into an animosity and obscurity. We also see the lip ending of Born Automatum kind of gets undermined, because nowhere we were like Brian Cox number two. It's like, oh, actually I think Pam, the girl boss, agent girl boss from the last one, but she's like a traitor. She's crazy. Yeah, okay, the leak is bad, but they shouldn't have leaked it. Like, that's the real problem. They're undermining the CIA by doing this. Assisted an enemy of the United States. She didn't have clearance for any of this shit. This is treason, probably. Yeah, look, the Supreme Court needs that kind of anonymity, like. freezing probably yeah look the Supreme Court needs that kind of anonymity like

Yeah, and so in a closed session the whole thing gets quietly dropped and Pamela Landy the good CIA agent gets indicted Which I imagine is probably to set up the the final movie Jason Bourne Yeah, you know his name, but if you don't it's Jason Bourne And we see we see Aaron Cross has left is little pill case and a message on his hotel mirror that says no more and they're on this boat. And we get the least earned Moby ever because you get another Moby. Yeah, should've used a different Moby song.

It's so hard to answer. Yeah. Where do do do do do do? It's good. And that's, I mean, so. Yeah. Yeah. Do do do do do do. Like, it's good. And that's, that's, I mean, that's the film. It's, it's two thirds of a great movie. Yeah, it's, it's a really good movie, but they killed Oscar Isaac too early

and then ran out of ideas. And then it just made more born again. Give me, give me the buddy born. Give me, give me Jeremy Ranro and Oscar. Is that you're on the run? Give me born to be wild of Jeremy Ranor and Oscar Isaac Yeah, born to be wild yeah Yo, I have I have a drop for this tab secret man crush

Fuck it. I hope that's what they do with the final one. I hope it's Jason Bourne and Jeremy Ranor I see him and isn't I have a theory About. I hope it's Jason Bourne and Jeremy Renner. I assume it isn't. I have a theory about this film that it was originally written to be something else, like a stand on it. I can't prove this, but it feels like it was written as a standalone script that then got born. Yeah, I'd buy that. I mean, a lot of that sort of like horse trading,

of course, we know happens. I totally believe that. Also, one thing I do have is I have two more drops, which are very related to my complaints about the last half hour. One is just a funny noise that Professor Megachimp makes when he crashes into a car. That's the fucking Daniel Craig in the ground noise again. The second one is this is Rachel Rice's only line for the last noise again. The second one is, this is Rachel Weiss' only line for the last 10 minutes.

It's incredibly loud. And she just activates whatever mode this is. Speaking of off to Daniel Craig, actually, he's of course married to Rachel Weiss, so he was on set in Manila. Yeah, yeah. Just like an unjustifiably hot couple on both ends. Yeah, like what are that's a really nice pairing actually. So yeah, he was on set in Manila for the last couple of good for

some of them legacy. I can never fucking remember the names of these movies. That's really, really sweet and wouldn't it be great if somebody in their family listened to the podcast. Anyway, we have a science-based rating on this podcast. Yeah, we have a lot of people want us to do girth again. We've got a lot of feedback. There's girth is a sort of a better system than the skommas. Skomm was tailored to Bond. This is not a democracy. It's not a general. Well, hey, I'm saying it. There's two of you in the upper category. Can I get an intellectualism respecting the troops

and has to resexuality versus smarm cultural insensitivity, unprovoked violence and misogyny? I think there's more to talk about. I would miss the loss of misogyny. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that is true. Well, the misogyny. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that is true. Well, the misogyny is misogyny is based to me. Um,

sorry, but I'm afraid the the drop is is very funny. With that in mind, we have a science based system. It's called the scum system, uh, starting with a smalm, the amount of smalm in this movie, I would say, vanishingly low. This is very, very, very little. Like all of the smaam comes from gas-like gatekeep, girlboss, Dr. Connie Dowd, being like, have you ever considered

that you're insane, my dear? Quite insane. And also, you're gonna kill yourself now. Iron Cross has some slightly swami segment, but I think that's fair. I think that's fair. Culture sensitivity. Well, I mean, once again, we have the crowds and the Philippines.

Also, the Philippine, I have to least look like Clowns, but then the born movies, they flex on every nation's cops. So, you know, C-I-A Clowns. Why does he say it like that? Why is it so perfect? CIA clowns CIA clowns I like it It's great, but it's just it's such a striking drop

cultural insensitivity Well, I mean it insults the Australian people by suggesting that they could all have dripped that intense. First of all, the scenes in Manila where the crowds are terrifying due to being foreign. I would say. Yeah, yeah. It's pretty fucking hard too. Yeah, sure. Three. I think I've been conditioned by the Bond movies, which were like, incredibly... Yeah, yeah. Then this is what would worry if it happened, as we would get, like,

ennured to the racism by the bonds. Yeah, we'd suspend the entirety of the Craig movies, like, drilling the unprovoked violence away down by a good guy. Yeah, one of them had a bit of a proct. We did get very ennured to the system. I think it's harsh to give it a three, but I can be harsh this one. Unprovoked violence.

I'm just going to say force me to wolf. Yeah, he has the wolf in a snare. The wolf is a tool to him. The wolf wouldn't have been in this situation if it hadn't followed him halfway across Alaska. It's the wolf's fault. I think genuinely for the workplace shooting scene, it's got to be quite high. Yeah, that is true. Oh, here's, right, we need to fucking, we need to put this to rest

on, because going forward, we're not going to just talk about James Bond. Is this on the part of the main character or on the part of the movie. It's the part of the movie. It's the kind that the movie wants you to think is good and cool. Because like, the, count. For getting a wolf blown up by a predator drone. I think that's counter-pointed by how hard he tries to avoid doing violence against the workers in surfing. Yeah, but again, I will say he does have a wolf blown up with a predator drone. Like that's a thing that happens in this movie. You can't walk away from the rain of wolf blouse.

I can't watch my hands of the fact that this man has inhaled wolf. It's a vaping wolf. I would go so high as to say a four perhaps. Sure, and just like a surgery. Well, such a... Rachel Rice is not like a sort of a capable fighter, but that is in keeping with her character. And the fact that she's a scientist

doesn't mean that she's useless until the last 10 minutes of the movie, where she becomes, yeah, she feels magic. Does that make up for? Like, did, did, did, did, did. Well, she's trying to wake him up because he's slipping into a dumb guy coma because he's been shot.

And there's, there's, there's, like, there's a woman in the fucking CIA ops room. We of course have Doctor Coney Dowd. So like, yeah, sure. I, there's some of the outcome agents of women. So it, it's like, I don't think it's super mesotonistic. I think the last 10 minutes really sort of undercut it, though. All the kind of major characters who like,

who like, you know, running the world that this takes place in, no, no. Rachel Vise is kind of like a subversive element, I suppose. Sure, we see that Pamela Landy's power is totally contingent because it just gets taken off her after she's won at the end of the last movie. We try to kind of like... Yeah, two. I was about to say two, yeah. All right, cool. That means one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.

That's a ten. That's a ten. It's pretty pretty pretty. It's a good film. I know that that's to a quite decoupled from our scientific based racing system, but for like to actually watch, pretty good. Like it falls apart of it at the end, but it's a good time and it feels weirdly better than the rest of the franchise. Yeah, it does. Yeah, it does feel like very different.

It feels like an improvement. I kind of wish this had been a standalone thing and hadn't done the Jason of the franchise. Yeah, it does. Yeah, it does feel like very different. It feels like an improvement. I kind of wish this had been a standalone thing and hadn't done the Jason Bourne stuff. Because I like Jeremy Redis performance. I like Aaron Cross-Cat. Either that or we get, of course, the BCU, the Bourne Cinematic Universe, and we just get one of these a year.

And of course, bear in mind the only way they could think to bring him back would be the Bourne legacy too. Rachel Wies got shot in the back of the head in minute 10. So, you know, we quite literally dodged that bullet, I think. All that remains for us to do is to say thank you for listening and we will return with the last one in the fucking series. Jason Bourne.

The fucking Bourne. The fucking Bourne and brackets. You know his name, brackets. If you don't, it's Jason Bourne, close brackets, close brackets. Yeah, I love Jason Bourne. I love Jason Bourne. Jason Bourne. Where we get Matt Damon back and they bring him out of retirement for one last job. And Paul Greengrass.

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