Upstream - S2E11: Jennifer’s Body

Episode Date: October 26, 2022

It's a very spooky halloween spooktactular as we turn our vision towards a subject few would dare discuss: Teenage girls! Writer, Youtuber, Podcaster and Elected Government Official (Swedish) Mia Mulder joins us to ask one very simple question: Is this movie about 9/11? The answer is yes, by the way. It is. You can find Mia at https://twitter.com/Potatopolitics support her at https://www.patreon.com/MiaMulder Watch her (excellent) videos at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_OttpBEWWzSUlZbk5qmhSA And listen to her podcast at https://twitter.com/leechfestpod ------ THE WINTER OF CONTENT The UCU has a fighting fund that you can contribute to here: https://www.ucu.org.uk/fightingfund If you do feel you have money to spare, please consider supporting your local food banks with money or time! donate to the Trussell Trust here: https://www.trusselltrust.org/make-a-donation/ or the Independent food aid network here: https://www.foodaidnetwork.org.uk/donate There are several ongoing strike funds that could do with some donations, and several can be found here: https://www.cwu.org/ Additionally, please consider joining a renter's union like ACORN, as rising mortgage rates will surely result in rising rent, here: https://www.acorntheunion.org.uk/join ------ Consider supporting us on our reasonably-priced patreon! https://www.patreon.com/killjamesbond ------   *WEB DESIGN ALERT*  Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here:  https://www.tomallen.media/   Kill James Bond is hosted by Alice Caldwell-Kelly, Abigail Thorn, and Devon. You can find us at https://killjamesbond.com and https://twitter.com/killjamesbond

She's eating boys. They like make her really pretty and glowy and her hair looks amazing Hello and welcome to the second Kill James Bond Halloween special. I am Malice Caldwell-Kelly, joined as always by my friends Abigail Thorne and Devin. Malice Caldwell-Kelly. Yeah, spooky names, you can do spooky names if you want to. Just write in with the spooky names. if you want to write in with the spooky names

uh deathvin and we're and we're joined by youtuber and actual elected official mia molder

mia scolder yeah yo you no no no it's special agent mia molder working for

the x-files um that's the scariest thing of all an elected official president of sweden mia molder local government The scariest thing of all, an elected official. President of Sweden, Mia Mulder.

Local government! Invisible counsellor! The good kind of Nordic model! Nice. So, the previous Halloween special, we watched Van Helsing, right? Which was chiefly notable for having a scene which Abby and I described as Girls' Night. We followed up on this. We've doubled down with an even more Girls' Night horror movie. We watched Jennifer's Body, and there's a problem immediately, which is, in the course of watching this, both of my co-hosts and our guest just mentioned to me

something with which I fundamentally disagree, but I'm outvoted. Abby, would you like to introduce very briefly what the conflict in this episode is going to be? This film, listeners, is about 9-11 and the Iraq War. It is. No, it's not. It's about 9-11. It is. It is.

No, it's not. No, it's not. It's about 9-11. It is. It is. It's about girls and female friendships and male violence, but also the secondary theme is 9-11. Yeah.

And the following war on terror and exploitation of the Middle East's oil and natural resources. Yes. What I hope to do over the course of the next hour and change is to convince at least one of you, and more importantly the listener, that this movie is not about 9-11. It just, it references 9-11, it's aware of 9-11, it's... It's all about 9-11.

Jennifer's body, we begin with Jennifer, who is played by Megan Fox, looking kind of fucked up, gross teeth, like eating her own hair, watching TV in the dark. And we get a jump scare of something rustles outside. And what it is, is a woman, Amanda Seyfried, in the window, in a hoodie, you know, jump scare.

And then we smash cut forward. Oh, also, we get the opening line, which is important. Hell is a teenage girl. It's themes. That's themes, baby. Does it mention 9-11? It does not. I rest my case.

It would be insane for the opening line of a movie to be, remember 9-11? Well, as I will explain later, I don't think the film would have been able to do that at the time. But anyway. So we then cut to Amanda Seyfried, needy lesseke, who is in a secure mental hospital where she is kind of an influencer. She's confident. She's cocky.

She gets letters every day. She has committed horrible crimes, but we don't know what yet. Where does she get those letters from, Alice? You know, creeps, pervertsverts i think she says chester's yeah yeah yeah chester is i think the kind of american equivalent of the word nonce i think yeah yeah chester the molester um but dennis the menace is much more but, as she says, she's kind of the shit. And if you want to understand the vibe of this performance,

Margot Robbie is cribbing heavily from it whenever she does Harley Quinn, but equally, this is cribbing heavily from Catcher in the Rye. The first thing to know about this movie, it's written by Diablo Cody, who is most famous for Juno. And if you've seen juno you know

that juno has a very particular style of sort of 2000s dialogue and it's it's less obnoxious in this but it does come through yeah the 2000s dialogue and this is so good i have in my notes that this is the most 2009 movie ever made yes yes i agree um so needy is in mental hospital uh and she she's confrontational she's a kicker as she says um a nutritionist tries to get her to eat like a second piece of food and she kicks her across the room uh and and fights with the orderlies and is like dragged into segregation and that's her little framing narrative as she is sitting in this in this cell listening to the awful music being piped the the shot when she's put into solitary is so fucking good it's this really tall room she's thrown into and the shot is from the top looking

down it really really sells for like claustrophobia there's just every so often an unbelievably good shot just out of kind of nowhere. Just feel like you can pull it out for Jennifer's body. No, don't pull it out for Jennifer's body. That's not going to be a criminal offence. This wasn't directed by accident, right? This is directed by a woman called Karen Kusama, who I like a lot. I'm going to talk about both the director and the writer of this movie at the end of this, because I have some scores to settle.

However, we then flashback. Needy is from a small town in Minnesota called Devil's Kettle. And it's called Devil's Kettle because it's got a big spooky waterfall that has a hole in the bottom of it that just sucks in. It just consumes things, and no one knows where it comes out um and it's this tiny small town population like 8 000 um and she is she's in a relationship with her dork ass boyfriend chip i'm sorry no i'm chip defense squad to the rescue ship is a fucking legend in this he sucks thank you thank you material sorry hate him him worst character and a representation of the democratic party I hate him holy shit

Chip is like this kind of corny nice guy who likes Phil Collins he's like very normie but so Chip's fucking fits man so the first time we meet Chip like we'll come back to where we are but but just i want to say on the subject of chip my man is wearing like a

waistcoat over a t-shirt i'm just like oh that's just so 2009 iconic noise look in 2009 that's a 2009 ass outfit i wore this once upon a time it It's fucking back! I live in a university town. I'm seeing kids at college wearing this shit again. They're doing the, like... They're doing the long-sleeve, under, short-sleeve t-shirt thing again. It's unacceptable. So, Needy looks different

from the way we saw her in Mental Hospital. In Mental Hospital, she looked quite cool and edgy. Whereas here, she's much more... She's got a worse haircut. She's got big, thick glasses. thick glasses she's like in the sort of pre-letting her hair down for the prom stage of the teen movie and she's in a more important relationship than chip she is bffs with jennifer and jennifer is as we've seen um played by megan fox right and this dynamic of kind of kind of mousy kind of nerdy technically blonde glasses smart one who is like inexplicably friends with the sort of tall dark-haired beautiful hyper femme uh you know i've never seen them before devon's there as well um how dare you

is devon the one accusing needy of being oh i have i have the drop because there's this girl leans over while she is like mooning while she's like staring at jennifer who is a cheerleader as well and goes we're totally lesbian which iconic in that voice yeah it is iconic i think a lesser film would have because needy denies this need is like no we're just best friends like i'm not i don't have a question unless a film would have just treated this as like we need to ensure that this isn't lesbian right at the start but i i think the film does a good job of being like well what if it is actually like yeah well i have some thoughts about this that that we'll get to down the line but so we we meet chip we see her interact with chip are you were you implying that i'm jennifer in this thing just realize that's not just for that just for that one joke

thank you so we see that jennifer is kind of tyrannical right i'm gonna try and relate characters in the movie to us every movie we do since i started doing it to get every movie going they're just like me for real even that's right that's right but so we see that jennifer is like quite domineering she like literally she shoves need around. She like drags her to this rock show. And all Chip can say is, Stop kidnapping my girlfriend. Very meekly, very sort of like, Don't please don't.

Jennifer's fit in this scene. Like, again, iconic. Like the jeans, the crop top, the big puffy jacket. No, it's not jeans. It's a jean skirt, crop top, puffy jacket. Like the 2000s eyeliner. I'm like, oh, it's all so good. Like just a little bit of lip gloss. I'm like, oh and it's not jeans it's a jean skirt crop top puffy jacket like the the 2000s eyeliner i'm like oh it's all so good like just a little bit of lip gloss i'm like oh it's perfect it really feels like hot like hot girl aesthetic especially from 2009 because i felt like i saw

this in every single fucking because it's pre-instagram and pre-tiktok and it's like because she's not wearing a lot of makeup the way that if you want to do like hot girl aesthetic now you've got to have like makeup artist level makeup but jennifer doesn't because it's that, because she's not wearing a lot of makeup the way that if you want to do like hot girl aesthetic now, you've got to have like makeup artist level makeup. But Jennifer doesn't because it's that like 2000s era shit. It's like, I'm doing return with a V, but for this. So Jennifer wants to drag Needy to the town's one bar to see a band called Low Shoulder because she's heard that they're hot. Yes. They go to the bar,

which is predictably shitty. I think it looks very much like the bar the Blues Brothers have to drive out of in a hurry. Crucial things happen here, one of which is that Jennifer is hit on and sexualized by a lot of the guys in the bar. Come back to this. Chris Pratt, the guy I hate.

Chris Pratt, who showed up and like ten full seconds later I went, because I realised who it was. Chris Pratt playing himself. He never comes back again as far as I can tell. He's supposed to be like

a police cadet who Jennifer is like stringing along. They're both too young to drink, her and Needy. Allegedly. Which seems absurd to me when I hear it, because it's like, okay. Well, they're under 21. So they get a little like cross mark on the back of their hands, which is a little recurring motif. Yeah, so she goes through and she tries to

hiss on the band and we get the first of many illusions they look gay because they're wearing eyeliner that's true that's true we get the sort of first allusion to war at this point because needy doesn't want to go and like hang out with band. She doesn't want to go and hit on them. She's a little bit creeped out by them. And Jennifer gives her a pep talk, and that pep talk is... Just boys, morsels, we have all the power. Don't you know that these things, these are like smart bombs, okay? You point them in the right direction, and shit gets real. So I'm not saying that it's unaware of the existence of the war on terror

or like the iraq war or 9-11 in 2009 we get an even less subtle allusion to that in a minute um and we do sort of construct this first of all with tits are like smart bombs which is very funny um also the other thing that i'll point out is Chris Pratt and the girl who calls them Lesbogays. One of the first things, I think this is a very acutely observed movie about small towns and about growing up in a small town, and this sort of omnipresent casual homophobia is an important facet of that. But so, they go and see the band.

The band are fucking terrible, by the way, which is a great joke. They sound like every other indie band. I've seen reviews compare them to The Killers, I think it's more of a Dashboard Confessional vibe, something like that. It's extraordinarily generic, and I was about to say that it also feels like Life is Strange. It does! If you had told me that time would start going backwards in this, I would be like, yeah, that fits in. It's so extremely generic. Yes.

Jennifer chats to the front man, a guy who calls himself Nikolai. She buys him a 9-11 themed shot from the bar. Yes, she does. Yes, she does. Again, 9-11. The bar has 9-11 tribute shooters, and it's a great sort of irreverent little joke, because it's red, white, and blue,

but you have to drink it quickly, otherwise it mixes together and turns brown. It's such a good bit. So amazing. It's really funny. But while she's going to get the drinks, Needy, who is kind of ignored and invisible to these men, hears them talking to each other about Jennifer, and they're speculating about whether or not she's a virgin. other about jennifer and they're speculating about whether or not she's a virgin um and she's so creeped out by this that she tries to warn jennifer who is who's hearing none of it um well she actually she says she marches up to the band and tell them she's like oh yeah by the way like and she's lying at this point and she says oh yeah she is a virgin and like and the implication

being therefore you you won't have any interest in her um but uh as as we hear from jennifer herself this is not the case yes uh but at this point we have to begin a separate podcast called well there's your problem podcast with slides as as we recapitulate a real thing, the Station Nightclub fire, we did an episode on it, where the band's pyrotechnics set light to some insulation foam, and very quickly the whole bar is aflame. Just before that happens, Needy briefly holds Jennifer's hand, and there's some more, like, lesbianism. Yeah, also, the other thing about this is that there's white marks on Needy's hand when she lets go which i like the implication that jennifer is like squeezing her hand too hard um there's a little bit of there's a little bit of fucking sadism in here too which is important um but so the barb burns down many people are like horribly trampled to death they get some real work out of the like suit that lets a stuntman run around on fire yeah that guy's having a great day at work so fucking he's full like arms waving like background of every shot fully on fire guy

running just perfect always good yeah and uh and so jennifer is sort of in shock she's traumatized and nicolai induces her into the band's van in what is a very funny but also very creepy way of like listen i feel like we just need to get to somewhere safe right now like my van and it's also the creepiest fucking van like he is creepy everything's creepy but i will say though that like i this is where i started to feel like this. This is the point where I'm like, OK, well, this movie is starting to be about 9-11 like more explicitly because

the sequence of events, which I think is really interesting, is that Jennifer, which in my view represents the American dream, is trapped within the bar, which is on fire, representing 9-11. She is briefly rescued by by needy who represents the american public um but she is almost immediately after being dragged away um by people who are

using the fire um for their own ends the band and the band represents the military industrial complex are we suggesting that the low shoulder of the cia yes yeah that's right i actually agree with that last bit and i think another scene later on supports it yes because they take the american dream and they destroy it for their own purposes using the fire as an excuse it's true so they they put her in the van, Nidhi sees the doors close on her van, and the implication there is that Jennifer is going to be abducted, and we fear rape, right? That's explicit, because she calls them rapists at one point, she says it's like a rapist van. But Needy goes home. And then when she's home, she hears a strange noise. Goes in the kitchen and sees Jennifer, who is looking insanely fucked up.

This bit's quite good, actually. The bit where she's walking around the house trying to find the source of the noise. We get a bunch of fake outs where she opens the basement door and then you think she's gonna close it there's gonna be something behind it there isn't like yeah i wrote that down it's quite effective yeah yeah yeah um but it's it's jennifer and jennifer is covered in blood her like teeth are covered in blood too um she's she won't speak but she's extremely hungry she tries to like eat a rotisserie chicken out of the fridge yeah she eats an entire rotisserie chicken with her hands and I wrote down I have been this hungry before yeah yeah

after like a night out has like half a hit of weed consumed and she she vomits like black bile all over Needy and all over the floor symbolism for oil

that's right. That's why it's like ferromagnetic in a little bit, because there's a point of the scene where it's like, the blood rises up a little bit in a weird way. Yeah, yep, yep. Which, to me, is just like, oh, that's ferromagnetic. That's

fucking oil. So, she vomits oil all over the American public. That's right. And then disappears. I see you eating a rotisserie chicken, which is a symbolism for... The rotisserie chicken is the Haqqani Network, or the Northern Alliance, right? Well, no, sorry, she doesn't disappear immediately.

First she throws an eddy about a bit, then like feels her up, and then't disappear immediately. First she throws Needy about a bit, then feels her up, and then it's ambiguous as to whether she's about to bite or kiss Needy's neck, but then she does. Which triggered gay panic in me, by the way. There's a lot of gay panic in this movie, in the best possible way. So Needy goes to school the next day, having spent the night mopping oil off the floor, and Jennifer is there, looks totally normal. So Nita goes to school the next day, having spent the night mopping oil off the floor. Um,

and Jennifer is there. Looks totally normal. And also does a bit of gaslight gatekeep girl boss. She's like, what are you talking about? you're insane. I was never, I never vomited oil all over your floor.

Was there a gay lord as well? 9-11 never happened. Classic noughties, classic noughties vibe. Um, also at this point, so we get like two of the kids in the background are talking about the fire that happened the previous night and they're like oh needy seems really fucked up and one of them's like oh yeah like she's

probably got ptsd my dad was in operation enduring freedom and he got super fucked up by it so that's true again 9-11 and then who walks in who walks in jk simmons jk simmons walks the fuck in i love jk simmons he's got um he's got one fake hand he's got the little like clips thing that the guy in malcolm in the middle has yeah here's one thing that that is i think an implicit 9-11 joke but it's also a joke about any kind of tragedy that befalls a small town and i think this is again the small townness of this movie is he delivers a truly absurd sentence where he he sort of he eulogizes everyone who's died and he says we can't let that damn fire win which is like on its face hysterical it's one of my favorite lines in the movie but it's it's not just a a

9-11 joke like letting the terrorists win being you know this absurd thing it's also something that like a high school teacher in a town of 8 000 people would genuinely come up with i think he also says that he's seen some fucked up like stuff in the past i think the implication is meant to be that he's a veteran and that that's how he lost his hands that was the intuition i took yeah it's also like a straight disability guy because i don't think we see that he's missing a hand until after he says that um it's so it's on some paul veerhoven shit it's on like made me the man i am stuff like it's good it's good it's a nice moment um but then like kids are grieving in the hallway. Like one of the teachers has died. Like a couple of the students are dead. Jennifer,

Jennifer doesn't care. She's very irreverent about it, but also another, another small town line. She's, she's like, Oh, anyone we know die.

And Nidhi has to say, we know everyone. Like there's not that many people, which I really like. But Nidhi says how the public grief is surreal. She talks about, like, having survivor's guilt from having escaped the fire. It's good shit. It's 9-11.

Yeah, the school football captain is, like, weeping openly in class. Huge guy. His best friend died. Huge guy. And then we see Jennifer approach him as he's crying on the football field. We get this, like, huge long dolly shot, like a zoom in on him. Yeah, un-fucking-believable. Such a good shot.

He's stood in the middle of, like, the field, just, like, crying. And the dolly shot starts from the opposite end of the field and goes the entire way to him. And he looks off to one side and sees jennifer walking towards him and then it cuts back to a sort of like medium shot of him and she appears from the other direction to sort of like set you a little bit on edge it's great it's a fucking great fantastic the soundtrack is like hard rock as well as it seems yeah she she like sexually manipulates his grief right she says oh I saw your dead friend

and the last thing he said was you know you and I would be a cute couple she says a banging couple yeah and she leads him he said banging so good she leads him into the woods

and they start to kiss, and various forest creatures and woodland animals are like, emerging to watch them, and he gets a little bit freaked out by this. And she is sort of like, unsurprised and impatient, and then we get the reveal as uh she fucking unhinges her jaw and devours him abdomen first she like tears his viscera out and like consumes them um there's also as as she's jacking him off she just says do you miss your buddy craig and he's like what yeah i guess so good thing such a surreal fucking love connect sex and death it's great uh 9-11 9-11 famously very sexual that's right so needy needy talks

with both towers were very phallic uh in many ways well needy hears on the radio that that low shoulder have kind of become like local heroes because they allegedly pulled a bunch of people and rescued them from the fire which she knows isn't true they're also donating three percent of the sales of the town when it comes up yeah there's another there's another great shot which is of a fucking candlelit vigil singing their song. So funny. Again, it's both 9-11 and it's like small town tragedy. But so, yeah.

The football player Jonas, who she kills, his body is found pretty quickly, and this is like a dual tragedy that catapults the town into national news. That's why you get the vigil. There's another great, great shot that I love here, which is a big portrait of Jonas next to all of the silverware in the trophy cabinet, surrounded by flowers. And it just holds it in time-lapse as the flowers wilt next to it to show the passage of time. It's really fucking good.

So Chip, Chip calls, uh, needy to tell her the news that like Jonas has been killed. Um, and we got some more sweet stuff between them. My notes say Chip is cute. Um,

but also Jennifer has called neededy and is being like really weird on the other end of the phone. She says like, I'm a god and like, I feel really great. And that's the famous shot where she sticks out her tongue and burns it with a cigarette. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is normal to us. She sticks out her tongue and burns it with a cigarette lighter, which again, I'm always doing. It's really effective horror. Also the swimming bit. And yeah, so Jennifer goes swimming in a lake and it's it's meant to be that she's hot my notes say hard drive check in progress it's a fantastic shot i'll

say that but again it is again i don't think this woman is old enough to be sexualized to talk about the fact that the film does want you to think that this high school girl is sexually attractive yes yes although i have different opinions about what the film wants you to think about that and what the marketing of the film yes yes i i tend to think that the film wants you to to see her in the lake at this aggressive but the idea of it is very much in there uh whether that's the like band you know being talked about as being rapists or whether that's jonas sort of like following his dick or whether it's chip who we see in a later scene uh well we'll get to that um we see that the low-shouldered song kind of becomes the anthem of the town.

And Devil's Kettle becomes the centre of what Needy calls a national tragedy boner, which, again, 9-11. We get a little, like, a brilliant early 2000s combo slur and content warning for, like, ableism, double ableism here. Because Chip describes the situation with jonas as freak tarded which is fantastic just like naughty slang i feel like every everyday high school yeah i feel like i'm right back in high school yeah it's it's a very keenly observed high school thing eating boys yeah as we as we then we get one month later we get this fucking absolutely

pivotal scene which is about 9-11 so we we we hear that low shoulder jk simmons comes to the class low shoulder donating three percent of their profits for the song to the local community and needy's like what about the other 97 percent like these guys aren't heroes she said they didn't really save anybody and another girl in class she's talking about the nypd exactly exactly she is because chastity the girl from early on who called her lesbian turns around and says low shoulder are american heroes we need them now more than ever and they have this fucking argument in class and it's like this is about 9-11 see i disagree with i disagree slightly here because i this is about the war. I think this is about the following

war in Iraq, specifically, about the military. Nothing to say about the NYPD. But it still hits. It's still very clearly sort of like in reference to 9-11. I concede that the, you're kind of, we need them now more than ever, you're with us or against us thing

is a 9-11 reference. I don't think the whole movie's about 9-11. I make a staged withdrawal here. It feels like every three scenes we talk about how it's about 9-11. And you have additionally brought up at least two of those times. Also, unknowingly, you've already said the things that will enable me to argue later on that it is about 9-11 when we get to the end.

Unforced errors repeated. I'm afraid. We'll see. So, at this point, Jennifer gets asked out on a date. Jennifer, who looks like shit now. Yes. Oh, fuck. Actually, actually, there's things here that I want to talk about

in relation to how I think this movie, what I think this movie is about, in that Jennifer is like, she's bemoaning how terrible her skin looks and stuff and she goes god it's like i'm one of the normal girls oh and we we also we also get some yes that's right literally yes also we get some some more sort of like 2009 feminism uh because needy asks her if she's pmsing and she says pms isn't real needy it was invented by the boy run media to make us seem crazy and i i love the phrase the boy run media

so much it's really good it's because it's it's perfect sort of like high school i don't have the language to articulate this yet necessarily but like i'm i am aware of misogyny i'm aware of like structural misogyny in the media but like gender dysphoria isn't real alice it was invented by the boy run media to make it it is a boy run media you know that's that's the thing um but so colin colin is an emo i guess we would say. He doesn't really neatly fit into any particular alternative subculture. Jennifer just called him emo later. Yes, yeah. And he asks her out on a date, and in just a perfect teenage emo boy move,

he invites her to a screening of Rocky Horror. That's really good. It's such a good Cole response, because he goes, do you want to go see Rocky Horror? And she goes, I don't like boxing movies. And I was like, gorgeous, perfect. Ship it. Yes, but

she blows him off and what she says to Needy about this is My dick is bigger than his. He wears mascara, he wears nail polish. My dick is bigger than his. He wears mascara, he wears nail polish. My dick is bigger than his. There's themes

emerging here that are not 9-11 related, but are instead transgender related. They are, in fact, 9-11. You can really never predict what we're going to take away from a movie, can you? Just no way.

It's usually one of two things. It's usually either transgender or 9-11. Those are the two big ones. I actually, I looked this up before coming on the podcast of like, because I watched this and I was like, yeah, it's for sure 9-11, like independently from you guys. And I

tried looking it up to see if anyone else had figured out that this is about 9-11 and I can't find guys. And I tried looking it up to see if anyone else had figured out that this is about 9-11, and I can't find it. As far as I can tell, we are the only people who have the analysis about 9-11. Because you're insane! Because you're insane! Because you're all wrong!

Because it's a thing that exists, like it is speaking about the 2000s, which means it has to speak about 9-11 when we get to the end i will show that this film is about 9-11 so her dick is bigger than yes right but nonetheless needy persuades uh to yes to to go out on a date with him anyway uh no no needy doesn't persuade her to needy says well i think colin's quite cute but like whatever and then jennifer says oh you like him oh in that case i will yeah indeed interesting themes themes themes do that with your boyfriend the other night alice

literally i i swear to god please do not devour my boyfriend I won't devour him too much please I'm just gonna listen to this I promise I'm not possessed mother sucks cocks in hell sorry so she lures

Colin to an abandoned house on the pretense of having sex with him happy Halloween and you know they kiss a bit but then she has

an Alice moment right where she grabs him and she goes I need you frightened. And she starts breaking his fucking bones, culminating in, again, devouring him viscera first. See, he skipped over a lot of stuff here. One is that as Colin is getting to the house where Jennifer has arranged to meet him, we see some great text speak from her it's just like you need to turn left on this road and it's because back in the day kids you

used to have to pay by the text message so you so you know you have to use like really short text speak it's a nice little naughtiest moment and also this scene is intercut with just a fantastic scene of needy and chip having sex which is so adorable well this is the thing i don't think it's adorable at all i think because because needy as we see while while chip is like inexpertly having sex with her in a kind of naive uh you might find it charming way of like he gets a like novelty condom that's supposed to make it fun for the girl right we see that we see that needy is kind of like psychically linked to jennifer a little bit she like sees the presence of jennifer and like a sort of a bloodied colin she she feels jennifer kiss colin when chip kisses her and she kind of she is like

disturbed by this she screams screams, in fact. And what Chip does is think, oh, fuck, yeah, I'm doing amazing. He literally, he like, grins and asks her, am I too big? Yeah, that's a really interesting moment. Because Chip is a piece of shit, because men are pieces of shit. He is, he is. He is, like, unable to think of anything other than his own pleasure, and he mistakes her anguish for, like, pleasure and awe of him, because men are pigs.

And also, this is also why he's a representation of the Democratic Party. He is limp, ineffectual, incapable of pleasure, and also thinks he's doing a great job. Yes. So, Needy has this vision of Jennifer eating Colin, and ultimately, she has to stop Chip and his stupid novelty condom,

and she runs home. And on the way home, driving her mum's Dodge Neon or whatever, I think that was a Kia actually, she sees a bloody Jennifer stalking across the road, hunched over. Great bit of physical acting from Megan Fox in this. Really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And she actually stops to see her, and Jennifer attacks the car and breaks the window. And it's a nice, effective bit of horror. So then she gets home, and Jennifer is in her fucking bed! Yep. Hot. Yes, yes. And Jennifer tries to, and does, seduce her. She wants answers, Jennifer doesn't want to give them to her, and Jennifer has another

line that I think is important. What, needy? Let me stay the night. We can play boyfriend-girlfriend like we used to. Now, I'm pretty certain that that makes Jennifer the boyfriend there, but I think you can read it one of two ways. There is another line at the end that kind of suggests the opposite reading, but that's my reading of it.

We get a lesbian kiss, of which a great deal was made when the film came out, because you know, 2009, it was like, ooh, fuck! Women kissing women? It's like very, very titillating, right? And it's... I don't know, I thought it was well done, actually. Needy reciprocates this?

It's a full-on make-up scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Needy sort of catches herself and is like, wait, wait a second. What is happening here? What actually happened to you? And Jennifer agrees to explain. She's in the van, with the band and she she sees them being creepy up front nicolai is arguing about whether or not she's really a virgin he literally says at one point i hate girls um and and she asks are you guys rapists and then when they don't answer her

and they keep talking about whether or not she's a virgin, she's like, oh yeah, yeah, I totally am. I don't even know anything about sex stuff. And that is another fucking example of a world that is permeated and a lot of now adult women who at the time didn't know they were teenage girls, a surprising number, had to negotiate. It's like an omnipresent piece of misogyny, and I think it's a vitally important bit of context for the film. Yeah, for sure. We see that they are like devil worshipers and they are sacrificing they do in fact sacrifice jennifer it's it's a fun joke they're not rapists they're satanists they're if anything worse they uh they sacrifice her to satan in order to advance their own careers and this is at once played for laughs but also not because it's a serious thing like men literally sacrificing women to advance themselves. But also, Nikolai sort of leans over to her, and he's like,

you know how hard it is to make it as an indie band these days? Yeah, it's such a good line. I wrote that down. You have to get on Letterman, or you have to get on a soundtrack, which is a joke at the expense of the soundtrack to juno which fucking like launched a bunch of no-name indie bands um but yeah there's also a line there's a line that has aged so fucking well too where one of them is a bit recalcitrant and uh and nikolai goes listen do you want to be a loser forever or do you want to be rich and awesome like that guy from maroon 5

this scene is is like really really disturbing though and i think part of the credit for that has to go to megan fox who just like really sells it she's a good actor and I have some thoughts about Megan Fox this scene is like really really like hard to watch actually because it is just like these guys killing a young girl to advance their careers and like I it makes me think

about like I need to be very careful what I say here but I cannot name the person or the TV company involved but like a friend of mine recently auditioned for a big TV series. And in the final round of auditions was like assaulted by the lead writer and lead actor, um, with the director's knowledge. And, um, like this was reported to like her agent and my agent and everyone knows this. And like, it turns out this guy's just been like using his job to touch trans actresses.

And he's like, for the moment, just totally gotten away with that. And there's nothing that anyone can say. And like his big show is going to be made and it's like going to win awards and stuff. And it's like, this scene makes me think of that. But like, as you said, Alice, men do advance their careers by sacrificing the bodies of young women. And like that, for that reason, like this scene is just like super fucking disturbing see absolutely so so they stab her with the knife that makes you transgender um and then they throw that knife into devil's kettle the hole that nothing ever comes back from because this movie is in part about holes that itself has sort of a feminine significance i think um and then she, she doesn't remember what happens after that,

except that then she's walking home. It is quite literally, to reference the title of a much better feminist horror movie, a girl walks home alone at night. And she runs into a foreign exchange student from India who they'd seen at the bar earlier, and who has like survived the fire. Run into the only person of color in the film that's not true the nutritionist who needed kicks across the room i'm terribly sorry sorry so there are there are two people in this movie and they are both there to get uh like to be objects of violence yes um and he's literally called Ahmed from India. There's no lines. No, no one knows that he is alive. And on that basis, because she feels sort of unutterable hunger, she takes him into the woods and devours him.

Back in the present day, we see that Jennifer says to N I'm, she says, when I'm full, I'm basically unkillable. And she like stabs her arm and it instantly heals. And Needy's like, what do you mean when you're full? Like of what? And Jennifer doesn't answer, but we understand that it's like men.

She eats men to sustain herself and Needy kicks her out. Yeah. At this point, Colin's body is found and in a another kind of oblique 9-11 reference no one really cares references to 9-11 in this film that isn't about 9-11 it's crazy how that happens i think it's a minor theme however um the the joke is no one cares because everyone's used to funerals at this point. Mm-hmm.

Like, enough people have died that people are just kind of bored and used to it. It's weird how they referenced Covid in this movie from 2009. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do they know? Yeah. Yeah. So, at this point, Needy does some research. She tries to tell Chip, Chip doesn't believe her because Chip is a misog to tell chip chip doesn't believe her because chip

is a misogynist and he doesn't believe women um she she goes into the occult section of the high school library library and she has yeah of course flag that up later when ship's like we have an occult section she's like it's pretty small yeah and she finds out what a succubus is, and a succubus, if you're not familiar, is a kind of, like, female demon that devours men sexually and also literally in order to gain power, right? And the reason why this has happened is because Jennifer has been inhabited by a demon because they have killed her as a virgin as a sacrifice, but she's not a virgin, and it's gone wrong. because they have killed her as a virgin as a sacrifice, but she's not a virgin, and it's gone wrong. And that's also why Low Shoulder, the band, has still become successful,

is the sacrifice has still worked, it's just deformed, it's perverted Jennifer. Oh, and she also finds out that she can be killed with a knife through the heart. That's the only way to kill her. At this point, the school is gearing up for prom, or the spring formal, and I write down another great small town thing, which is Chip has reservations for them at the Cheesecake Factory. That's so good.

So adorable. My life has been changed by walking into a Cheesecake Factory before, so I'm like, oh, my dude is in for an amazing night. So, yeah, and she begs Chip to stay away from the prom because Jennifer is going to eat him. Well, she's going to eat everybody. She's like, the dance, she consumes boys. She's like, oh, the prom, it's like an all-you-can-eat buffet. Sort of a Carrie reference.

And at this point we see, like, Chip sort of thinks that she's crazy, thinks that she's breaking up with him, but agrees to not go, at least in theory. And then we see everyone get ready for the dance, and most notably, like, we get a couple of great shots of parents taking photos and stuff, but the shot of Jennifer that we get, she is smearing foundation on, and she's almost breaking down in the mirror. That, to me, I do not like it for reasons that I'll get into, but I'm interested in it because I think that is what you would do with a transgender character. It is like almost a cliche at this point in movies about trans women that you have to have a shot of like a trans woman putting on makeup and almost breaking down crying. I mean, I am always doing this, but. Oh, of course.

Yeah, we all are. You're not supposed to say that. Also something very funny is Jennifer has two pictures of herself on her night sandwich it's really good JK Simmons introduces the dance another great small town moment because the snacks are pecan sandies and cran grape

what the fuck is any of that absolutely atrocious and low shoulder are playing the dance for free What the fuck is any of that, Matt? Absolutely atrocious. And Low Shoulder are playing the dance. For free. Goodness of their hearts. Incredible early 2000s pitch. This is a reference to the second wave of deployment of troops to Iraq.

That's right. I guess. So Needy looks for Jennifer at the dance but she can't find her, and then she realizes that Jennifer is stalking Chip, who is on his way, he's walking through a creepy sort of darkened park. And Jennifer tries to use her sexual, her feminine wiles on chip she's like needy is is crazy and also she was cheating on you with colin with the emo kid um and this this this works because chip is a misogynist she she appeals to like chip's like teenage boy insecurity where she's like she was cheating with colin and they were doing things that you've never even heard of um because the vibe is that Chip is like sexually

inexperienced but like tries to make up for it by being charming and Jennifer just completely zeroes in on that insecurity and just nails into the wall with it. There is a very Juno line here which is they were intimate and by intimate I mean they were porking on a semi-regular basis

I love the word porking, It's very... Porking. It's very 2009. We're opening up new pork markets! That's right. Rest in peace to Listerine. She's alive! Still alive. She takes him to the abandoned, creepy, darkened swimming pool.

She also, while she's kissing Chip, she says, say I'm better than needy and he's like what and he can't go through with it because he's like he's in love with with needy at heart he's like a good guy and he feels sort of conflicted about this uh and this allows the time for for needy to show up just in time to see him getting his neck bitten out um by jennifer um and this this leads to to a fight in the pool which is i think generally quite well done yeah yeah so um so chip's pleading out and needy pepper sprays jennifer using chip's pepper spray that he was given by his mom um and jennifer vomits black blood and then levitates up out of the pool. Really good line.

There's a very funny line from the trailer where Chip goes, she could fly, and Nita's like, she's just hovering. It's not that impressive. Jennifer, like, hovering in midair is like, why do you always undermine everything I do? This is really good. Just really, really good. She's like, you always steal everything I have.

She's like, now I'm eating your boyfriend. This is very funny. Yeah. Which I will do, Alice. Please do not eat my boyfriend. And we see the hazards of trying to eat my boyfriend, because at this point, Chip spears her with some kind of, like,

pool implement, a pool halberd. Yeah, a pool halberd. Well, she threatens to eat needy and then we get a like a ah she says bisexual jokes both ways because need is like i thought you only ate boys and she's like i got both ways and it's meant to be like oh but we get an explicitly phallic sort of like almost death punishment and this is a classic of the horror genre right when you want to punish a bad woman you impale her particularly a lesbian long long long history of this right back to like the

1910s highly recommend vita russo's book the celluloid closet for a potted history of this um so but yeah she is she is impaled by a man, and her joke line about this to Needy explicitly compares that wound to a vagina. She asks her if she has a tampon. And at this point, the movie loses me, right? Because my sympathy throughout has been with Jennifer. She's a piece of shit. She is ableist, certainly, casually racist, all within a milieu

that supports those things. However, she has been sort of revenging herself, right? And the movie has displayed a great deal of sympathy for her, and that now just kind of ends. I think you're wrong, but okay. I think that this is... it's occasionally a thing that comes up in science fiction something called the motherhood statement which is the point of writing science fiction is you imagine alternate worlds alternate societies alternate ways of being

but then once you do that you get scared and if you get scared then you have to tie it back together and you have to end it with well what turns out to really matter what turns out to really save the day is is true love and apple pie and motherhood right i think that's what this is i think that the for the last 20 minutes of the movie there's this sort of haul back this reassertion um that like okay we don't actually have to like critically support

jennifer anymore i think i think you're dead wrong in that but we'll get there because i think the ending's important um but anyway uh jennifer gets impaled by the pool halbert leaves chip dies might not say rip chip um and at this point we're back at the start of the film with um needy outside jennifer's room and she's like eating her hair and stuff um needy comes into the room like fucking castile in the she like dives and forward rolls through the glass it's fucking sick and she has and this is you're gonna say this is a 9-11 reference it isn't it doesn't make sense i wasn't gonna say that she i wasn't she she has armed herself with a box cutter which is the only other comparisons of this movie to 9-11 I have read make a great deal of that. I would not.

Well, obviously it didn't occur to me, but Jennifer does make fun of it for being like a butch lesbian weapon. Yes! Yes! Because do you buy all your murder weapons at Home Depot, you're so butch! God, you're much. It's really funny. Yes! Literally, yes. And then she stabs her through the heart, and the joke line here is, she goes,

my tit, because she stabbed her in the tit. And it's like, no, hold on, hold on a second. What you're showing us is, literally, a young girl's mother

walks in on her best friend, straddling her on top of her having just fucking penetrated her um like this is and we've seen them kissing earlier it's explicitly a like sexualized struggle in order to kill her she's had to like throw away and destroy the fucking bff necklace that they had you have to diffuse that with humour. You have to get out of that somehow. Otherwise you've just accidentally made something that is earnestly too lesbian. And in 2009, you can't fucking do that.

You have to row it back. You have to be like, this is, you know, dark comedy now. You also can't talk about the Iraq war, but we'll get onto that. But then, yeah yeah you're right jennifer's mom does come in and discover this uh needy's arrested and winds up in prison which is where we see her at the start um something you might have missed watching the fight is that jennifer also bites needy at one point and that turns out to be quite important now because as

needy tells us in voiceover if you're bitten by a demon and survive you absorb some of that demon's powers so she levitates up out of a solitary confinement cell and kicks the window out, and escapes. Yes. And goes to seek her revenge on Low Shoulder, who over the credits, we see that she has horrifyingly murdered with their very own knife. Which I i'm i'm always in favor of this you know um and that's that's ostensibly the movie and i i do want to say that um kasama and and cody have like barely done anything since this movie lost like five six million dollars um uh their other projects have also lost money their movies don't sell and it's not because they're not good.

It's not because they don't know how to write or how to direct. It's because men don't know how to sell them, don't know how to market them, are afraid of women, and are pigs, and Valerie Solanas was fucking right. Yeah, and also 9-11. It's not about 9-11. How is it about 9-11? I want a yes and you here. 9-11 yeah it's not about 9-11 how is it about 9-11 yes and you hear okay so so needy needy kills the band over the credits which immediately raised the question for me why didn't jennifer

jennifer does does at no point goes in search of the band and i was like okay i think a less interesting film would have had jen come back from the dead and then immediately like hunt down the band for the rest of the film but it doesn doesn't do that. And my interpretation of the film is that when women are like man eaters, when we are evil or like bitchy, and also when we turn against each other, it's because that is a response to male violence. And Jennifer, I think the film does have sympathy with her,

but we are shown that she chooses the wrong targets, which is like men who are not the ones who are violent against her. And also like her fellow women are also against needy. And at the end of the film, needy takes some power from Jennifer. She like learns something from her. In fact, the line of the soundtrack that comes up just before we cut to credits is

you should learn how to say no. So she, I think that needy learns that actually having that kind of power having that kind of no having that kind of like fuck you men attitude is appropriate when it's used against the correct targets i think that's the main theme of the film that's the kind of feminist theme but i think secondarily it is also about 9-11 and the iraq war because we see the ways in which violence grief and trauma turn people into like attacking the wrong targets into like being duped by this kind of like maudlin commercialized grief and i think also at this time when remember like you couldn't explicitly say that you were going to see a right war because you would lose your career if that

happened like the dixie chicks did i think this is like a subtle anti-war film they're saying like yeah okay this fucked up shit happened but let's not fight the wrong target. Yes. So that's why I think this film is about 9-11. I would even take it even further actually and say that it's actually like revolutionary anti-war, like encouraging that

saying that needy, like as a representation of the American public can sort of take the knowledge that, or take the tools that have been used to direct, to, again, against, like, the wrong targets, and, like, and to

sort of stop the cycle of terror has to sort of, like, use that against the correct targets, as you say, which is the, which is the ban, which is the representation of the military industrial complex, because they are sort of the cause of it. And that is also why Jennifer is incapable of doing that, because thematically, the band is the source of her power

and has corrupted her and caused her to cause all the sort of mayhem and chaos and death that she initially doesn't want to do, but has been sort of warped and forced into doing due to someone else. I don't know that she has been. I think she's only been granted the facility to do it, because we know that she's mean beforehand. We know that she expresses dominance over men beforehand

as much as she can. But we also know that that is in response to her being consistently sexualised by men because I think the really important part is that her first victim is someone who is sort of like coded like it's a brown person

like that is the first victim that happens is a brown person and consequently boys start dying as well, which I think, feel like, feel like this is sort of message about how, like the, the, the target here has been sort of like inadvertently so many different people and never really, never really about, there's never, there's never has been a correct target for Jennifer to have. Um, because the,

the, the entire, the entire premise of, of what the band wanted and sort of like how she became the way she did was based on a, on, uh, on a lie,

which I feel is symbolic of, you know, their weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Um, it doesn't matter that it's a lie cause they still get all the powers. Um, or they're like the or the band still gets their success and fame

but the death and destruction that follows it are sort of forced upon Jennifer that Needy then has to sort of like forcibly take the power from so that cycle of violence can end I think

it has sympathies towards being a revolutionary feminist film that ultimately gets scared and runs back into being a liberal one. I think it's one that tries to indict patriarchy and then gets scared and goes, okay, but you can't have too much fun while you're doing it and you can't be too much fun while you're doing it and you can't be too indiscriminate and there's you know there's a way to sort of like uh revenge yourself smarter not harder as it were i also think it's a transgender ass movie um oh yeah definitely

for a lot of the reasons that we've gotten into pretty much everything jennifer does is like i'm not like other girls because i have a fucking penis she you know is sort of like granted this satanic masculine power i also remind you about fucking depictions of uh various demons as hermaphroditic um i think it's like borderline explicit she She starts becoming more, more sort of like male coded as she becomes more monstrous. And I think she is able to use that in a way that is like, uh,

avenging in a way that the movie frightens itself with. I don't know. I don't think she does become more male coded. Cause it would have been very, very easy for instance, in like the prom when she's in her prom dress to have her like wearing a kind of like femme suit or something if you wanted to do that but she remains very femme throughout she like she even becomes more feminine like like in her more sort of final demonic form

when she's powerful yeah yeah yeah on the other hand when um needy becomes more powerful more powerful she becomes butcher right she's wearing the fucking hoodie she's got the box casted from home depot um i don't know i listen i don't think it's about 9-11

i still don't think it's about 9-11 possibly we do have a-based system on this podcast and this is a mainline episode so technically yeah it's true we can scum score all right fine though it's called the scum system it's called the scum manifesto yeah that fucking should be uh it stands for society for cutting up So, on Smum, how does this movie score? Are we giving it Smum points for the fact, like, the early 2000s dialogue? I kind of want to give it a go.

I love it, man. I think it is quite smummy, in a way that I like, but it is very smummy. There's a couple of lines I'm very pleased with, isn't it? A lot of the things that I think make you believe that it's a 9-11 movie uh are sort of deliberately smarmy and irreverent about the climate of the 2000s which is of course largely derived from 9-11 um i think there's an extra step there that makes a difference but i think it is the thing that makes it really smarmy it's just the fact that there's that they that they not only do they mention 9- 11 by name and have it as a sort of like alcoholic shot.

They also have, they demonstrated visually by having two long shot glasses with one that is shorter than the other. That isn't like as filled, um, which, which I feel like there is some symbolism there that I haven't fully cracked out, but I feel like the, the fact that,

that it is there feels to me like very, very smarmy. is some symbolism there that I haven't fully cracked out, but I feel like the fact that it is there feels to me like very, very smart. I'd give it a three or a four. I could even do five, to be honest. Okay. Um, cultural insensitivity. Everyone involved is racist. I don't think that's portrayed as a positive thing, I think it's part of the excoriating view of American small-town high school circa 2009.

I think part of the reason for Jennifer's roaring rampage of revenge is a sort of honest disgust for for that culture and everything that embodies and that includes 9-11 and it's like sentimentality um as to like how culturally insensitive it expects the viewer to be i'm not sure um i genuinely i could i could be persuaded any sort of number on this yeah i don't really know what to say either they're like certainly are there any people of color in the film who like opine on the film's themes or who really sort of have much to do at all no there's there's the orderly um i forgot to mention needy's needy's orderly right at the start of the film and the nutritionist and are met from india but that's like oh wait no no Chastity as well, I guess.

But yeah. Well, Chastity has a perspective on the film's themes. Say three? Two? Hard to say. Jeff? I'm sorry. Give us a number. Three, fine. Three it is. Unprovoked violence. Unprovoked violence.

Oh, this is the thing. Such a weird film to try to attach this comes back i i i think i think the viewpoint of the of the film is that it's all provoked violence on jennifer's side yep and certainly from needy's side so your your unprovoked violence is is for men and from low shoulder specifically. Which is horrible. It's portrayed as being horrible. It's not portrayed positively. It's a very, very low score, I'd say.

Yeah, I think it's a zero. I'd better go with that. Although, I don't know, because the people that Jennifer kills are innocent and actually bad targets. But then the film isn't supposed to say that's good. Question mark, like NA. Zero, I guess, by default. And misogyny. Got to do a question mark, like N-A. Zero, I guess, by default.

And misogyny, we're going to be here all day with this one. Oh, yeah, well, I don't think it's a misogynist movie. However, look, fucking separating out internalised misogyny is a lifetime project. Indeed. It passes the Kill James Bond test in that the female characters do have opinions on the themes of the film. Yes. I do want to talk about fucking, we should go back to cultural insensitivity and give it an extra point. Because the ways in which it talks about

lesbianism and bisexuality yes not explicit and uh portrayed in like a oh this is just how like bffs can be with each other it's a kind of like youth and revolt kind of thing um which i think is also a misogynist thing. I don't know. I'm quite uncomfortable putting homophobia under cultural insensitivity because that's one we very specifically carved out to talk about, like, race. It's not the SRUM system.

Well, yeah, exactly. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about that specifically. We'll give it an extra point for miscellaneous. Sure. Misogyny, I really don't know. This might be the first time we have to abandon

Scumscore. We don't know. The Scumscore for this movie is a series of question marks. We have no idea. I think it's a great movie. It made me more misandrist.

I liked it too. I despise the way in which it's a great movie it made me more misandrist I liked it too I despise the way in which it's marketed you can look at all of the posters for this are like Megan Fox's legs and also dressed as a schoolgirl and it's like okay and I do want to talk

about Megan Fox right because Megan Fox is then and now a bit of a joke as an actor in a way that I do find very misogynist and very unfair, because I think she's good in this. And one of the things she said in this is, I wasn't really sure what I was doing. I was just trying to have fun with it, and I felt like I was able to make fun of my own image as how some people might perceive Megan Fox to be. I was just sort of flying freely, and I hope some of it works. I think there's two ways you can read that statement, right? One is that she's telling the truth, and she's just instinctually got this script quite well. And the other is that she's a better actress than a lot

of people give her credit for, but she knows that in order to fucking sell megan fox as a persona she has to go oh yeah i don't really know what i'm doing you know i'm just i'm just here and i you know men don't fucking know how to market movies with women by women um valerie solanas once again i agree well that's the first time ever on Kill James 1 that we've had to give a scum score of... There we go. Watch this. Watch other feminist horror films. Watch The Descent.

Watch A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night. The Descent is so fucking good. The Descent's so good. Yeah, we'll get you back on for it. Genuinely, it's a burgeoning genre, and I really like it as a sort of way of expressing feminine angst and terror

yeah no it's really good I really enjoyed Men. One thing I will say however if we do want to start swinging towards more horror films would be that I'm a little baby and would find that very difficult I'll do it I'm a little baby and would find that very difficult.

I'll do it. God knows I'll do it, but I'm issuing a complaint up top. You better make me watch Good Dissent. Come on. I have to go and eat Alice's boyfriend, but before we do, Mia, where can the people find you? I'm reading my pool, Horbert. Mia Mia where can the people find you I'm readying my pool hallbird

Mia where can the people find you You can find me in my more Everything is 9-11 conspiracy theories on MiaMulder.com Which will take you to my YouTube channel Which is good You can also find The podcast that I do

Called LeechFest, which is a medical history podcast if you want something completely different. Although I guess in my next episode, I'll talk about how comas are like 9-11. Genuinely, everything is about 9-11 would be a good YouTube channel. Yeah.

And if you want to lodge a formal complaint in the municipality of Solentuna, you can send me an email to mia.mulder at solentuna.se and I'll lodge your complaint with the municipal planning board. Really offers every service. Those are my three current occupations. Podcaster, YouTuber, and politician. Cool. Well, thank you

so much for coming on. It's been an absolute delight. We'll have to get you back on for the descent so we can scare them. I'd love that. I don't want to do a fucking podcast. We said this last time we were here, Alice. We were going to do a podcast together. And we keep talking about it, but it's, I guess, time.

But it will happen. It must happen. It will happen. must happen it will happen if you want to listen to a podcast with me and mia just stand by write in maybe and uh we'll see what we can make happen in the meantime thank you for listening we have a patreon you don't have to subscribe to it you can do after you've given money to food banks and everything else that you should be giving money to. For, I think it's $5 a month? £5 a month

for which you can get a bonus episode. We should have gone for dollars, but we didn't. $50,000 an hour in exchange for which you can get a bonus episode, the next one of which will be a Q&A, because we're overdue for one of those.

That is right. The next mainline episode will be the earliest man from Uncle Phil. Oh, Christ. Which of one of those it is. All right, see you for that. Bye. Bye.

Thank you for listening to yet another episode of Kill James Bond. As a reminder, it is currently the winter of content, so you do not have to be a patron to hear these episodes, these bonuses, these specials that we are putting out. But that doesn't mean we're going to forsake our patrons. That certainly doesn't mean that I'm going to sit here and not read out 15 pounds and above patrons names.

And those are Christine Fox, Amanda Comet, Forks Winchester, Gustavo Lira, Jack Holmes, Paint McCalla, George Rohak, Thomas Oberhardt, Nick Boris, Yarek, Nate Amori, Harriet De Cock, Coconut Crab, Koryos, Benno Rice, Kit Devine, Library Hitman, Beef Crime, Alan Burney, Jonathan Gerdes, Jack Drummond, Max Gamenhart, Kentucky Fried Komi, Hell Bloodhands, J. Martindale, Tarp O. Lysamesh, Big Titty Goth Girl, Mothman, Final Bond Girl, Harrison Fuller, Trip, Commissar Jen, Sydney Steckle, Tiger Otakuch, Ali, Out of a Closet, Pauline, Will You Marry Jenna, Safira Lucifera, Danny Potter, Turf Seat Shit and Die Alone, Zoe Shepard, Elizabeth Cox, Finn Ross, Emily, Friend of the Show, Alfredo, Quinn Valeri, I make Devin say this out loud, Wolfie, big old boy, Ryo, Leal, Al, Irwin, Lucy, Keely, Josh, Simmons, Lauren, Bastin, Millie, and on Le Bon. Thank you, each and every one of you, for helping this podcast exist. Kill James Bond is

Alice, Abigail, and Devin. Our producer is the wonderful Nate Bethea. Our podcast art is by Matty Lubchansky and our website is by Tom Allen. See ya!