Upstream - S2E13.5: Equilibrium

Starting point is 00:00:00 Greetings, listeners. This is another episode of Achille James Bond podcast. My name is Clarick Abigail Fawn joining me is Clarick called Well Kelly and Clarick Devon. It is. Yes. This week we watch the film Equilibrium. As preparation, each of us has mastered the art of microphone cutter resulting in a 66% increase in podcasting efficiency. We hope that you do not enjoy the show. If at any point you enjoy the show, you will be reminded to the technicians at the Palace of Justice for Summary Destruction. The podcast will begin now. I hate when you do a cold open that's so good it makes me want to do the rest of the

Starting point is 00:00:56 episode. I think we could keep it up. I think we could keep it up. Just keep it up. Just keep it up. Still late, I've already been so discriminant of a laughing. I'm out. I'm done. Yes.

Starting point is 00:01:06 We're all getting executed after this. Yeah. That's just a big chance, isn't it? No! We watched the second best sci-fi dystopia long leather jacket movie about being transgender. I come out in the early 2000s. This was your pick, Abby, watched Equilibrium.

Starting point is 00:01:28 Mm-hmm. I think this film has a lot to say about being transgender. However, unlike the Matrix, I don't think it's saying any of it deliberately. Maybe watching any film. I think this has a lot to say about being transgender. Well, as we've established on this podcast, there's two things. There's two things a film could be about. One of them is 9-11 and one of them is being trans.

Starting point is 00:01:49 And I don't think this is about 9-11. I don't think this is about 9-11. Good, babe. It just came out sort of immediately post 9-11. It came out like 2002. Yeah, too. Yeah, too. I think.

Starting point is 00:02:00 So yeah, it's like in that lower Hollywood, hadn't really had time to sort of mull a cultural response to 9-11 yet. And so everything was going to be true. Well, that's right. So we begin with an opening trail that tells us that in the opening years of the 21st century, World War III breaks out, which is very bad news for us. Ukraine is invaded by Russia. It starts World War III. As a consequence,

Starting point is 00:02:27 the survivors of World War III try to prevent World War IV by sort of asserting that all human emotion leads to dictatorship and war and genocide. This cuts back to back from Stalin to Saddam Hussein. The theme of that was misstashes, I think. Ireland as Saddam Hussein. Yes, that's right. The theme of that was misstashes, I think. Yes, they've grouped and dictated us by the facial hair. And so as a consequence of this, a new society has been formed where there is no war because there is no emotion.

Starting point is 00:02:56 People will like consciously repress with medication as we'll see their ability to feel. However, there are some outlaws in the society and we begin with a raid against people who are feeling, who are experiencing art. As should happen to anyone who experiences art, the cops show up and arrest them. Yeah, this film is from quite brief window of time in the early notice

Starting point is 00:03:25 where you could still show cops as the bad guys, which is, I was watching this, I was like, oh wow, the police are bad in there, so you just go, you don't see that as much these days. It's sort of, it's a long, it's a hangover from the long 90s where sort of like one of the things that proliferated was Ruby Ridge and Waco and like, you know,

Starting point is 00:03:42 Jack booted Stormtroopers and stuff. What, and so, I really appreciate it's that all the cops roll up was Ruby Ridge and Waco and Jack booted Stormtroopers and stuff. I really appreciate it, all the cops roll up and because they're future evil cops, they're all in perfectly black 1996, good rock TVers or some shit. Just like, yes, all painted black. It's so good. G36 is black talent squad cars and it's weird, right? Because they kick the door and they shoot everybody

Starting point is 00:04:05 Everybody's like shooting back. You never see a cop get shot in this movie until some events happen You ever see a cop get shot by like one of these rebels It's why the fact that this is gunfire going in both direct completely ineffective resistance Yes, we also meet the supercups. That's right. They were all up in all white 1996 Skoda Octavia. What, what, what they do, what they do is they add sort of progressive layers of cops. First, you have the regular cops with guns. Then they bring out my least favorite enemy archetype, Big Armaguy with the like riot helmet. Sorry, I love these guys.

Starting point is 00:04:37 You're the only armor off of them. I hate a Big Armaguy so much. Yeah, they're awful in like modern warfare warfare too, but they're sick designs in this because they've got this black leather trench coat, a black bike helmet and this metal gorge at under the fucking line. Yeah, it's sick. And then arriving in a D logo and entirely white painted and upholstered Cadillac Seville is our boy, our very own Christian bail. Oh, Christian bail. Tiring the movie. That's sort of, oh, it's so clad in this.

Starting point is 00:05:13 He's called a cleric. The vibe here is kind of like FBI like, I suppose you would say. Yes. In that they're following the like tactical guys in and as as he gets out of the car and then moonwalk Into the frame. Notice that he does enter the frame backwards. It's just slightly unusual Enter the frame backwards. It's it's our very own friend of the show Sean Bean That's right. Yeah, it's start of the best to drop. I've ever made Yeah, it's start of the best drop I've ever made. Of the everything he's looked to him.

Starting point is 00:05:47 And the other half. Brose me, John! He doesn't really have any lines in this movie for me to add to that drop. But I don't get to attach to his character, but... I just love to see him, man. These two guys are super cops, like mega, super-deep-a-megacops. Even to the extent that like after Christian Bale does the thing he's's about to do there are two other cops who look at each other like what the fuck and they arrive in like long buttoned up trench coats looking like sick as hell. Yeah, this

Starting point is 00:06:14 was the coolest thing you could wear in 2002. Also, it's interesting to me to this initial police raids right because a lot like it reminds me of Brazil in the sense that it's very weird to see a movie that has a genuine horror of what you might sort of call like a SWAT team, right, because none of us are old enough to remember them not being ubiquitous, but they were sort of like a late 80s, early 90s invention. And so the people who made these movies were like, this is the most terrifying dystopian thing I can imagine. And to us, it's like, yeah, it's bad. We accept that it's bad, but it doesn't like sort of raise an eyebrow in the same way necessarily. The idea that, yeah, the idea that SWAT team might be like something that we could get rid

Starting point is 00:06:58 of or, yeah, it's, it's, I know, only goes in one direction. But so they fight back these art rebels and they sort of get barricaded into a dark room. And Christian Baal goes, all right, I'm going to do the cool thing. It is absolutely seizure-inducing, but it is sick. They blow up in the door and he slides in on top of the collapsed door into total darkness. And then sort of hangs out like Batman, you can see where that casting happened. To prey on their fear for a bit. And then the second anyone tries to shoot him, he engages in, I guess we're calling this, what are we calling this?

Starting point is 00:07:43 Guncata in the movie, Gunfu. Gunfu, yeah, yeah, yeah. It? Gun Carter in the movie Gun Foo. Gun Foo, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's itter, yeah, indeed. Gun Carter, Gun Foo. Things of his age, it's sick, man, I'm sorry. I just watched this fucking movie and I was like, this is so cool. And then that bunch of shit happens. And then there's another fight and I was like, this is so cool.

Starting point is 00:08:00 Sort of go away. He just hung food, but with guns. Yeah, he's holding guns. He's doing sort of like poses in order to shoot people like over his shoulder and stuff. I did not care for this which is strange because I've seen this movie before but years and years ago I think I was a teenager and I had your reaction, Dev. I was like, oh, this is fucking sick. And now I don't know why I don't know what's wrong with me. Something has like gone wrong because now I watch it and I'm like, oh man, this isn't This isn't very good. Yeah, the first one isn't the best. I think the first time we see this done on screen

Starting point is 00:08:32 It's actually the worst time because they use like slightly choppy editing and like would like strange cuts and stuff But we actually yeah, well, we actually like see it done properly and in proper lighting later on it is sick as hell, but see it done properly in proper lighting later on. It is sick as hell, but. So that he kills everyone. All the other cops are like, holy shit, these guys are cool. That's right. And they find some art, specifically they find under the floorboards a bunch of paintings, including the Mona Lisa. Really would have thought that'd be like one of the first bits of art they get. Yeah, I would have thought they do. Yeah. It's just hanging out here and in the waist. I have some thoughts about how this movie thinks of art for the Capitol A and this will tie

Starting point is 00:09:14 into them later. But Christian Baylor's unemotional is like, right, burn it. And the two special flamethrower guys that they just had on deck who I love, love the flamethrower guys. That's right. I've been waiting round the back for this moment for like an hour, come in, they burn the Mona Lisa. And at this point, I should talk about Sean Bean. Because Sean Bean's expression, I'm not going to remember character names, they're not

Starting point is 00:09:35 important. Sean Bean's character is the most visibly doubts having mother fucker you have ever seen. Yeah, his job is to get across. This is a man who's having doubts. And my God, does he go all out? Yeah, it's a challenging role, because he doesn't have a lot of lines, but there are a lot of shots that he is in.

Starting point is 00:09:55 And he has to sell the story. And he has to sell it very early on in the film as well, and we're still establishing the world. So I guess it's, I think, probably quite well judged that his performance in this is very like what you see is what you get because of the nature of the role. Like, he's sort of like talking at his collar with the atrociousness.

Starting point is 00:10:12 As we say, as we say, it serves the text. Yeah, I know, fucking Christian Bales just like, but near and you can see Sean being a like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, beginning of filming. I don't know about that one, dude. I do want to, I made a note here about Christian Bale's eyebrows, which are incredible in this film. He's got like, he's got like iconic bushy boy brows. He looks, they look so good. Like, top marks, they're the makeup artists who did his brows.

Starting point is 00:10:37 The boy brows is free enough to image. Oh yeah, hundreds of them. Very like, very like, slicked down hair. That's another sort of feature of dictatorship. Dictatorship is when you have like a lot like slicked down hair. That's another sort of feature of dictatorship dictatorship. Is when you have like a lot of product in your hair. That's right. So he he ensured being drive back to civilization to the dictatorship. We get something that caused me to laugh out loud, but I realized I just misread it.

Starting point is 00:11:00 There's a one of the guys who they read. He's reading a collection of Yates poetry. But the cover is slightly messed up and for a full second I thought he just had a book that said Yetties on the front and I was like, it's a country of Yetties. They run our books, they burn most books, which is not something. And then later on when it was in Sean Beans pocket, I was like, it's probably not yet, is it? Yeah, getting, yeah, they've burned all the other books I'm having to read, like the world according to Clarkson, to show my resistance to dictate. Oh, Jesus, rather than they did just incinerate me.

Starting point is 00:11:39 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they're in the car on the way back, and the Yates book kind of falls out of Sean Beans pocket and he goes, what? No, I'm not reading this and developing feelings and ideas about myself. I'm taking this to be destroyed. Incidentally, I am sweating buckets right now. It's probably because I'm wearing like a giant leather trench coat in an entirely leather upholstered car. Don't read too much into this. And we see that Christian Beos character, he's sort of more gung ho, he's more eager in

Starting point is 00:12:11 as much as someone with no emotions can be eager. And he's like, you know, makes me remember why we do this. And and Sean, he's like, hmm, Sean being goes, that's it, and he goes, hmm, and that's Sean being goes, it does. And it was like, it's guys having doubts, I think. Yeah, so as they drive back into the city, the big sci-fi city, which is behind walls, we see a little bit about what the world is like.

Starting point is 00:12:38 So they live in this country called Liberia. It has a very obvious Nazi analog flag. It's run by a good dictator who's called father. Sean Pertwee, another guy I'd love to see. We see that everyone has to take a drug called prosium at a certain intervals every day, which suppresses your emotion. In the most nineties thing,

Starting point is 00:13:02 how do they have to administer this to themselves? They have to put it in a small thing that looks like a gun and put it next to their neck. So it looks like you're getting a sense of it's very on the nose. Yeah, and the vial looks like a bullet. Yeah, no subtle moving. And that also... And the prosa can. And Vali and...

Starting point is 00:13:20 Yeah. Also, we see that sense criminals, people who feel because it's like four criminals because then I take four are like outlawed and destroyed and not allowed to feel emotions. And also children are used as cops to identify people. We get this like quite shocking moment where there's a crowd of people walking along and there's like a child standing on a platform

Starting point is 00:13:39 with two armed men next to them. And the child just like points at someone in the crowd and the odd men just don't drag them away. Cause children who could apparently like tell when you've got emotions or something. There's also a weird shot and it's like very of it's time at the motion picture association of America, the MPAA, which rates movies, like they give it like an N-T-17 or whatever, where father Seanertwy comes on the screen, he's like sort of omnipresent, he's always like lecturing, and talks about how a bunch of like properties have been illegalized

Starting point is 00:14:13 because they contain emotional content. He says they've been rated EC10. This is like a really sort of like media industry beef about getting your movie rated N.C. 17 is this is what dictatorship is dictatorship is when there's a race agency and it's a secon have the candidates anymore in your in your video. I mean one of the things they make illegal is a 10 interactive strategy computer program. Yeah I've heard that full. No, they came for age of mythology. This is, this is barbarity. If I can't play heart-surviant in my like thigh socks with my cat ears on.

Starting point is 00:14:54 No, gaming is an abuser. Just ex-sistering my trans-fiber to me. There is, there is something I really, really like. And my hypothesis listeners is that this film is a little bit cleverer than it might appear at first. And there's something really, really nice, which they show us in this little montage of Liberia, which is that father, as he's giving his speech, quite clearly experiences emotions. He's quite clearly

Starting point is 00:15:16 gets, like, angry. He quite clearly expresses, like, pride and contempt. We also see there's a bunch of people, like, standing up on a plodding in what he's very obviously a display of pride. So the film tells us like early on, yes the society suppresses emotion, but it's not done evenly. Emotions that serve the state such as like anger and contempt for enemies and like pride in the violence that is done in the name of the state, those sorts of things are allowed and even required. And it also tells us very nicely that this drug that everyone's injecting, it's not just like a magic wonder drug, you do have to actively suppress your emotions

Starting point is 00:15:52 through willpower as well. I think it's actually quite clever and also a very transgender for reasons to go into. Christian Bell gets called into his, essentially, his boss, his boss's office. This is a guy called DuPont. He is, we're told, sort of the spokesperson for father. He's like his right hand. And DuPont, I kind of like hype some up a bit initially. He's like, I hear you have like a preternatural ability to tell if someone is feeling.

Starting point is 00:16:24 What's on big go a kind of yeah again, very clearly feel really he's like yelling the whole way through the fuck it's yeah, that's very good and and Christian Bell goes yeah, apart from Sean Bean who I still have no idea about. The source of this quite cool bit where where um Depont says to him, but do you have a family? He's like, yeah, I've got two kids. And, uh, he says, do you have a wife? And he says, no, my wife was actually, uh,

Starting point is 00:16:48 insulated for sense offense four years ago. Um, and Dupont's like, how'd you feel about that? And he goes, obviously, I felt nothing. Yeah, he goes, I don't understand. Yeah, and Dupont goes, how did you not know your wife was a sense criminal? And he's like, uh, I don't know. Actually, I have an almost incredible ability to sense things except when they're right back to me. Yeah, this is an ability that catches throughout the

Starting point is 00:17:15 sort of upper echelons of the society throughout this movie, by the way. So he goes back to the, I guess, I guess it's a police station, right? There's this like hall where they organized these. Call it the monastery. And he goes to see whether or not Sean being has checked in his Yates book. And of course, he hasn't, of course, he's just taken it to go and radiate and his like, off hours. And he, he like doubts him at first, but he like, puts it all together

Starting point is 00:17:47 and goes out into the wastes, like, beyond civilization after him and confronts him. In what I think is an abandoned church where he's just sitting on a few reading yates. Yeah, he's on page like three. So like, right at the start of the book. Reading his letters. Yeah, reading y aunties seems like check this shit out. Sometimes called the abominable scene. Like quote some yet. What he quotes at him is Yates' A Wishes for the Cloths of Heaven, which is the one that goes tread softly for you tread on my dreams.

Starting point is 00:18:29 And this sort of like makes a bit of an impression on him. And he's like, because of their friends, Christian Bell, tries not to kill Sean Bean. He's like, I'll have them go easy on you, and they both know that that's a lie. And Sean Bean commits suicide by cop. He reaches for his gun and makes him shoot him through the book of yeses, the big book of yeses. Well, we see at this point, Krishnamar has a very cool pointy gun. Alas, what can you tell me about this gun?

Starting point is 00:18:54 It's a very cool pointy gun. So I can tell you. It's a very cool pointy gun. Yeah, reminds me a lot of the very cool pointy gun from Robocop, a better movie about the same ideas in part. We should just watch Robocop next time, actually. pointy gun from Robocop, a better movie about the same ideas in park. She'd just watch Robocop next time actually. You just watch Robocop.

Starting point is 00:19:08 Oh yeah. Genuinely though. Actually that's my pick. Roboc in this moot. There was a point where I wrote down in this. What are you? Some sort of a robot cop. Robert cop.

Starting point is 00:19:18 Robert cop. Robocop. Robocop. Operation, Robocop. Robocop to fail. I'm afraid it's all right. It does have to be Robocop 2. I'm going to the rules afraid it does have to be Robocop 2, going to the rules of the House.

Starting point is 00:19:26 I can see Robocop 2, but okay. No, I actually quite like Robocop 2. Okay. And this is envisioning a better movie. So yeah, he kills Sean Bean, and he leaves, right? And his new partner, who's immediately been assigned to him, picks him up. And it's Tay D him picks him up and it's Tay Diggs.

Starting point is 00:19:46 I love Tay Diggs. I love his before the season. He's so good. He's really big. He's very clearly experiencing emotions. So many. This is the most emotions having asked Motherfucker in the movie. Yeah, he's very ambitious and he's like, oh, I'm gonna make my career with you. I mean, I don't even like men, but my guy is very handsome. He's good, he's a good-looking man. That'll take you away for that. And he's like, you're not feeling any emotions

Starting point is 00:20:16 about this, are you Christian Bell? Christian Bell was like flop sweat at this point. Christian Bell was like wiping his forehead off like that scene in the airplane. He's just like, oh no, I'm fine, actually, I think it's cool. I think it's based. And that's right. He, uh, he goes home and he's creepy little himmerson. Yeah, I have my fucking Nazi son. Okay, I hate my Nazi child who calls me by my first name every time instead of dad. He goes, hello, no.

Starting point is 00:20:42 Hello, no. To child who is training to be a clearer. It's like, John, I saw one of my friends at school crying today. Should I report him? And Christian, he better, like, yes, that questionably. He goes to bed. And because part of Trink has a way of getting inside your head, he remembers the yates poem, tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. And it, like, sort of it wakes him up into this, into like memory of the time when his wife got arrested,

Starting point is 00:21:09 where they come into the house and they're about to drag her away. Weirdly, because Americans cannot give up on this idea of like, if you come into my house and touch my wife, I'll kill you sort of thing, even in an emotionless world. He doesn't accept this. He grabs one of their guns and breaks some of their fingers and holds them at gunpoint until they explain that they have a warrant for her arrest or whatever. And then he's like, okay, fine, I feel no emotions about it.

Starting point is 00:21:36 Well, so she kisses him and he doesn't really know what to do about it. He's just like, huh? Yeah, it's sort of gripping a bit from weirdly, the movie Pleasantville, in that if you've got emotions, you're sort of gripping a bit from weirdly the movie Pleasantville in that if you've got emotions, you're kind of in color. If you don't have emotions, you're color graded gray. And so she's quite like hink and like full of life.

Starting point is 00:21:56 And she kisses him and he gets like a little bit more color in his cheeks and then she gets ripped away and the color fades out again. It's not a subtle movie again, it really isn't. So he wakes up and he's getting ready for work. He puts his bulletful of prosakium on the corner of his like bottom counter. My fate was like love the prosakium so much because they went they went to call it something else and found out that was actually like already a register. I was going to be called Librium.

Starting point is 00:22:30 And Librium is a real anti-anxiety medication and they have to need you. There is one point later on where Tay Diggs quite clearly does not say prosium. And even because I'm like an idiot. I had to change it in both. It's good to me. He knocks it off the bathroom counter and smashes it, so he can't inject it. And his little fascist voice, like, what are you doing, John?

Starting point is 00:22:53 Father, why have you not injected your drugs? It's a cool thing for him. Father, no, it's a cool thing. Yeah, so John, and he's like, Christian, but I was like, I knocked it off the counter, like silly me. And we see that it's like-

Starting point is 00:23:03 Accidentally on purpose. Straight away, he kind of goes, I took it out before I brushed silly me and like we see that accidentally on purpose straight away He's like he kind of goes I took it out before I brush my teeth like I never do that Also regarding the Nazi child at one point at the end of the flashback to his wife getting taken away like John Looks down the hall and sees his two kids down there and like the Nazi child is just like Space and I was like you did it on a Psyche did it yeah, like, you did it. Unappreciated, did it. Yeah, kid reports it.

Starting point is 00:23:26 Yeah. Get a pull up. But yeah, and the child is like, you must go to the fascist chemist and replace it immediately. And he's like, yes, I'm questioning, I will do this. So he goes to the fascist chemist, but much like Britain, it's the fascist society

Starting point is 00:23:39 where nothing works. Yeah, and also you can't get dressed in the case. Yeah, they're like, oh, we apologize for the inconvenience due to supply chain problems. The next shipment of prosakium will be in in like six, eight. Meanwhile, there's like 20 cisgender women just get to get over the count of nights.

Starting point is 00:23:54 The reception, like, this tells it. Yeah, if anyone wants to, sorry, we only have patches. Ah! Fuck out. If anyone wants to experience the effect of being brow beaten into doing fascism by a child, try being a teacher in the UK right now because holy fuck and shit, the younger generation are all very right wing.

Starting point is 00:24:14 I hate to say it. Oh yeah. I can't take, I'm afraid. It's runnin' round for it. It's some fuckin'... I didn't experience that. I was volunteering today with some trans kids with gendered intelligence who were all super communist. Well, I mean, the trans kid probably is going

Starting point is 00:24:28 to be quite communist. I'm talking about these like, we bastards who like get served a lot of tape on TikTok. Genuinely TikTok is like, we need to do something about that website. It's one of the worst things you can show a child, I think, because the unfiltered TikTok prejudice, oh, oh, it's grim. It's cool how we're making kid's homophobic again. So the terrifying

Starting point is 00:24:52 child has clearly reported his compatriot. Circumstances have conspired against Christian Bell getting his repressor medication. And Tay Digg shows up and is like, hey, you're ready to work. You got your thing, right? You're definitely not feeling any emotions. The flop sweat intensifies. The fucking sea, everything is like a waterfall at this point. Every scene with just these two acts in it's always that Tay Digg's like, hey, but experiencing any emotion and Christian back like, no. They do, they do a... Genuinely, yeah. They do a raid on a woman's house. This is Mary, we'll meet her more later,

Starting point is 00:25:29 but they raid her house because I think she's holding art. There's a moment where she tries to attack them. Christian Belle grabs her and holds in front of Mirra, and it's like, look at you and it's like trying to shame her. When we get this very unintentionally, transgender shot, while Christian Belle is like, look, holding her, looking in the mirror, and then like sees himself next to her. And it was like visibly kind of shaken by this experience. And

Starting point is 00:25:48 my notes just say trans. Yeah, fuck it. I can read it. Maybe I shouldn't be a cop as his feeling is the like text in tens. I also wrote, always love to see Emily Watson. I think that just for a great deal. For sure. And they find her secret art room, because every can't has these. Everyone in the world just has behind a wall, a hidden room full of art. They all look closely the same. They're all behind a mirror, that's a good idea, actually.

Starting point is 00:26:18 Yeah. And so, that's a joke, I swear I was listening. And she tries again to commit suicide by cops. She tries grabbing a cop service weapon. And Tay Diggs is about to kill her. And Christian Bell saves her life. He like pushes him out of the way with his guncater. And like plays this off as we need to interrogate her

Starting point is 00:26:42 to find out who the resistance are. This is his one like playbook and he uses it the entire movie. So I put what if we want to talk to them after what if we want to get information and everyone goes to the fair point. Yeah. Yeah. Um. Fascists very much known for wanting more information. That's definitely what they're about. That's why they do what they do. Um, so in the evening, uh, we see that he doesn't take his prosium. We don't really know why, but he has he has a nightmare and he wakes up and is like visibly scared. And then we get another fucking transass

Starting point is 00:27:16 scene. I know it's say this fucking scene man where he his his windows are like like like got like plastic on them so you can't see through them. And he kind of notices it's raining on the window and he goes to it and he like rips the plastic off. And it's like a really beautiful view of the sunrise in the city. And he's like visibly very moved by this. I remember watching this film like years and years ago when I was like, depressing my gender identity spoilers and just being like, damn, I really want that. I really want to be able to experience that kind of like beauty and joy.

Starting point is 00:27:45 I'm gonna be cool. Yeah, I wish I could be proven to be that one day. You know what I mean. It's just not the same because when you're in the closet, it's just so deadening. It's so like smothering. And I was like, God, I wish I could experience something like true and real like that. And he wants to the bathroom to take his repressor medication. She's like, fuck, I'm a woman.

Starting point is 00:28:02 I mean, I'm having feelings. I've got to repress this now. But then he doesn't take it. He chooses not to. Now, he starts stashing them behind the mirror, the only hiding place that anyone in this movie has. That's right. We see him, we see him, we exist behind your reflection.

Starting point is 00:28:19 We see him walking to work. And like, he really didn't like this movie. I love this scene where he starts walking to work. he like he starts really looking at other people in the crowd She'd never done before like he sees other people's faces like he takes up his glove and he runs his hand along a metal railing to feel it And like I remember doing that shit when I started transitioning like really looking in other people's faces of the first time But like fuck like there's a whole world of human beings out here like other people's faces of the first time been like, fuck, like there's a whole world of human beings out here. Like, the whole time this is happening,

Starting point is 00:28:47 father's piped in voices going, oh, you have to keep taking the repressor pills, never be happy. He literally calls it the opiate of our masses at all. Yeah, I most of my notes regarding father are just, I've wrote down what direction was put to be given here earlier on. And I wrote, just just be saying shit

Starting point is 00:29:07 Truly he just he's talking It's like a podcaster in many ways. Yeah, he's doing like these 24 seven like rolling shout outs to the entire city And he just hasn't got anything prep. He's like all right. What else am I thinking? This is the opiate of the masses anyways I can read some names dead.-East, how's it going? Ah. It's just in the Patreon shoutouts. Five-tier-one subs from Jack and Mort.

Starting point is 00:29:33 Yeah, there's some time. Yeah, this entire movie is carried 100% by Christian Baal because he's like, he's putting so much into this performance of a guy experiencing emotion for the first time. Hmm, it's really, he's good. It's true that this film is very on the nose and it's not subtle. I would say it's like pitched at the same level

Starting point is 00:29:49 as an episode of Philosophy Tube is, which is like, you're trying to do stuff with big ideas, but at the same time, like the audience watching this like might not necessarily have seen a lot of stuff like this before. It's definitely meant to be like, you know, an action film with a brain, rather than like brain first, you know?

Starting point is 00:30:04 You should do more guncada in Philosophy Tube actually. I'd love to see. That's true. definitely meant to be like, you know, an action film with a brain rather than like brain first, you know. You should do more guncada in philosophy, too, virtually. I'd love to see. That's true. She'd look another. So, so he goes to work and like Brazil, like 1984, like that one Apple commercial, it's kind of all three of these run together. Everyone has the same desk.

Starting point is 00:30:22 In what's either an intentional reference to Brazil or just unintentional sort of like convergent evolution. Everyone has the same desk toy, like executive desk. So I love about a thing on their desk. Dictatorship is when you have desk toy. I think we're clear about this now. Sure, that doesn't even have a desk toy. And me either.

Starting point is 00:30:41 A lot of gondoms. But he feels sort of like, he feels suffocated by this. He feels, you know, I'm the same as everyone else. I work in this lot of guns. He feels sort of like he feels suffocated by this. He feels you know, I'm the same as everyone else. I work in this big cubicle again, so dreams of the 90s right now, you don't even have a fucking cubicle. And he starts rearranging shit on his desk, putting stuff in different places where upon Tadeeg's rocks up to be once again like, oh, you're not feeling stuff. He's all all Tadex does ever and he's really good. They keep just walking and he's going to say but any emotions and Christopher goes I'm just rearranging these for efficiency actually thank you.

Starting point is 00:31:15 How are you feeling nothing? How are you feeling fine? And Tadex goes it's time for the same scene a third time. It's time to start some more killing. Yeah, they go on a raid, once again, the art guys shoot back. One thing that's really funny is that the cops are getting shot at this whole time. And as they're getting shot at a gunfire in the distance, one of the cops comes up to them and says, intelligence says they're all fully armed. She's great. She's pretty, she also suggests the same thing.

Starting point is 00:31:52 But the cops are never in danger. The cops never get shot. Christian Bale spends this entire sequence having the like, what if I don't moment like every five seconds staggering around. They find another secret art room. Christian Bale listens to some Beethoven and cries. every five seconds. Staggering around. They find another secret art room, Christian Baile listens to some Beethoven and cries. I'm gonna talk about the art now, because he breaks into yet another one of these art rooms. And the art in all of these rooms is like

Starting point is 00:32:19 old coffee advertisement posters, war bond posters, old desk toys, high fives. There's a Newton's cradle in one of them. All of it is so sweet and so thread. And it's a total inversion of the way that dictatorships have tended to feel about art, whether that's the Nazis or whether that's the USSR and Socialist Realism or whatever. It's a movie that's too scared to use any art that's confrontational to make its point. He's never gonna break open a wall

Starting point is 00:32:50 and find like an orthodix painting looking at him because this movie hates modernism, that hates modernist art. And so all of the city is like brushed concrete and like steel and all of these modern forms. And this realm of comfort and art and feeling that belongs to sort of like Tweedy. It's a very conscious decision to use a Yates poem that isn't political. That's from the beginning of his life

Starting point is 00:33:18 when he's like, like, sipping for more to gone and what, like, rising her poems are like, please step on my dreams. It's genuinely so uncontroversial and it's the opposite of the way governments think about art. That's a very interesting point. It would have been much stronger if he'd opened the secret art room and he'd found, like, a recording of Jordan Gray playing the piano with her penis. Like, I can get worse. I can get worse with this. Well, like one point he like runs his hands over like an old high-fi system.

Starting point is 00:33:53 And it's like what this is telling you is like one day Americans, all of this shit in your house could be dangerous to big government. And it's like, it is dangerous. Now, at the time that you make this, because you kill and kill and kill, to have these things and to, like, retain these things. And maybe fucking mystery, equilibrium man is on to something. Maybe I've talked to myself around, and we should all be on prosium. Well, the thing is, is that when you show me a group of guys with long hair, wearing scarves and beanies, and they're all in a room looking at like a cigarette advert from

Starting point is 00:34:32 the 1970s and going, oh, I wish we could go back. That is me on the, I'm seeing me in this film. So in many ways, actually, I quite like. It is funny that the concept of the resistance in this is just like a bunch of the guys stood looking at, like, the Mona Lisa, right? Again, a totally decontextualized. Yeah, because it's ten English. It's just like, that's the art, right? That's probably what it's just that.

Starting point is 00:35:04 It's not a good painting, it's just like, that's the art, right? That's what people know. It's just that because that's what art is. It's just a famously stolen painting. It's just what art is. Like, if you literally, if you like Google art, I'm pretty sure the Mona Lisa is gonna be page one, result one. Yeah, one art please. Yeah, I guess you're right. This would have been better if that you sort of, you know,

Starting point is 00:35:23 more confrontational art. I mean, you can say that it's like, it goes to your transgender theory and that the Mona Lisa is like cryptic and feminine, but other than that, you know, it doesn't really seem to make much impression on him. What does make an impression is he listens to some bait hoven and we get essentially the same bit that the lives of others does later on, which is, you know, Lenin and the Apache and Arter. Like he's like struck down by the music.

Starting point is 00:35:50 And this is something that I really like and he's well-acted. Oh, yeah. Again, they all carry the entire fucking movie. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Also, he drops a big snow globe, which is, you know, a citizen can find whatever. They found a dog kennel. And then, yeah, they find a dog kennel. Oh, this is the point where I was just like, oh, right, I fucking get it.

Starting point is 00:36:10 Like, what are these beasts for? Let us kill them all in Christian Burgos. No, and then they go, what do you mean, Serenity goes? I mean, go ahead. I was like, all right, all right. Yeah, what forms of like sensing and feeling are we sort of reifying here, it's listening to Beethoven.

Starting point is 00:36:28 Dogs and good. Having a Newton's cradle and dogs and it's the motherhood statement again. It's the thing about sci-fi where it's like, you get too scared because you've accidentally created a society that's too different. And so you pull back to something quite conservative and go, ah, well, the true meaning of humanity is, whatever doesn't make me uncomfortable.

Starting point is 00:36:48 You know what would have been better? You know what would have been better? Is it if it had been over the course of this film, he was funny, I'll do his gay. Yeah. Yeah, that too. He was like, if he found some like really gay art, I was like, huh. All right, I'll do the drop now. So later on, there's a bit where he gets arrested and I've marginally had this,

Starting point is 00:37:05 but this is the line. Vice counsel, this man is guilty of having relations with a female. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. This man is guilty. And I was like, they've made it illegal. That's fucked up. Yeah. He was illegal in 2020, actually. That's fucked up. Yeah. I did also pull Sean Perts we saying the word. Oh. Just in case anyone wants it that so the cops are standing around and as cops are

Starting point is 00:37:36 one to do is like, oh, we got to kill all these dogs. But but Christian Brown, when the alphabet was turned up, she told me that she's right. We did it baby. Full circle. When the alphabet was turned up, she turned right. We did it baby, full circle. We're back around. That's right, let's go.

Starting point is 00:37:51 And he like in full flops, I was like, no, maybe save dogs. Maybe we should interrogate the dog. I don't get fuck it. And then, but just in case you don't fucking get it yet, a puppy comes up to Christian Bell and he holds it up to his face. And it's, I'll be honest with you, it's a very sweet puppy.

Starting point is 00:38:09 I did spend your time seeing God. Oh, look at a puppy. Awesome, but it's like, oh, okay. I understand the point you're making. He rescues the puppy and there's just like, well, we should have somebody's animal tested for disease, you know. And they're just like, okay, cool, I thought for a second, I thought you were experiencing some emotions. I briefly came back around on Sean Beans' performance here because I'm like, oh yeah, of course you'd be bad at lying if you're like

Starting point is 00:38:36 not repressing your emotions for the first time in ever. Yeah, it's like when you realize you're trans and suddenly like, I have to just like tell everyone in the world and like go out dress Ridiculously because you go through the pink cloud. It's what happens Hmm, but no one else seems to notice yeah, and at this point I wrote it's like poetry of rhymes um He does all the exact lines that being did at the start to his new partner Mm-hmm. He's like I I'm taking this in for processing. You know, I'm definitely not going to read any of this poetry.

Starting point is 00:39:09 We also get to see where he goes and asks, DuPont, he's like, why are we just executing people now? I thought we were just going to rest. He goes like resistance live, because at one point he's like, it's against the law. And DuPont has like, like, take the other side. Yeah, listen, sunshine, the laws, what we fucking plan. You live in a dictatorship, you know this. What are the moral authorities you think the rule of law has when the people don't

Starting point is 00:39:32 have any control of what it says? Like, come on. I stopped taking my fucking suppressing medication as Turnby, as we were resistance liberal. Might as well just incinerate me, I gotta be honest. So he goes and Might as well just incinerate me, I've got to be honest. So he goes and he watches Mary, this one who's arrested on the security cameras for a bit. There's meant to be like a sort of a burgeoning sort of quasi one-sided romance thing going on here, but it doesn't really hurt.

Starting point is 00:39:59 And then he takes the dog out like back to the size of the raid to try and let it go. Yeah. And he gets pulled over by the cops in like a traffic stop style situation. Yeah. But there's a brief comedy of errors about whether or not they're going to open his trunk and find the dog in there. Just, yeah, not great. It's not phenomenal.

Starting point is 00:40:23 Like, it's just just like it's silly. I wrote down that it was like the way because this inevitably breaks into a gun fight, right? To be fair, it is. I don't I don't agree like it's got this kind of new metal soundtrack over it that then transitions into slow-mo classical music. It's like a bad imitation of a bad imitation of a John Woo movie. It's like verging on parody to me. This isn't the worst fight to me, but I think it might be like the third worst after the first one.

Starting point is 00:40:55 And there's one more ear on that I wanna highlight. But yeah, no, it just, it just doesn't really hit for me at all. I disagree, I think it's cool. I don't. All of the cops in this wear like these flat black motorcycle helmets. At one point, I started keeping the smashed visor count, which ends at 26, if you're curious, of the number of times where they've stylishly shattered the visor of one of these.

Starting point is 00:41:23 So he beats up all the cops and kills them and then leaves go time. What's the visor made of, man? I had a motorcycle helmet that she was poor glass. Why would it possibly shatter? We made this out of non-safety glass as a joke. We made this out of non-safety glass. Dangerous glass. Dangerous. Yeah. He goes and he does a kendo. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:50 And Taydig shows up again and is like, hey, you're not feeling any emotions are you? Say, brackets of violence. No, and then Taydig just finds out. I'm from another rate. There are five scenes that I just do in order every time. I don't know. Yes, it's time for the fourth version of this scene.

Starting point is 00:42:08 I'd hate to be like sort of cinema sins about it, right? But they do the raid scene a fourth time. They do. This is my favorite version of the raid scene though, to be fair. They spend a lot of time, yeah. The deal is they're going to kill the rebels on site now, and Christian Baile tries to save some of them. He's like, go on, get out of here,

Starting point is 00:42:30 and they don't trust it. He does do the Batman voice, which is quite fun. And they, he says, no, they're like, no, it's a trick, he'll shoot us in the back, and he goes, I'm just gonna shoot you, I'll shoot you in the face, run, it's good, it's good fun. And then like, he helps him escape, he does like kung fu pistol weapon on some guys some guys. It's just the worst fight of.

Starting point is 00:42:47 What? What are you talking about? It pops up the little trivia thing which, all right, okay, to be fair, right, this is a sick concept. He flips his fucking like guns around, holds the bass room like again, like Joshua Graham, which I keep talking about. And like a lot of little fucking spikes come out of the butt and he uses them to hit these guys in the head, but they're all wearing helmets. So it's not really doing a ton. There's like a dozen visor smash ticks in this fucking scene alone.

Starting point is 00:43:15 And as I watch this, and it's cutting all the time, and you can't really see what's ever happening at any point. It's trying to sell you on fast motion, but it's not doing that. And it pops up a true thing. Yeah, it's a real. The pistol whip fight between John Presley officers only took 30 minutes to film.

Starting point is 00:43:29 And I went, yes, that's because there was no fucking choreography. You two are absolutely fucking. You two are totally problem-worded. This rules. Look, look, look. This is the inverse of Kung Fu Huzzle. I'm afraid we're just going to have to do one movie where you think it's sick and we're like, it's just kind of gay.

Starting point is 00:43:50 You know, you know the two of us love violence. Yeah. And you know that you know that neither of us feel like a movie has to be. Exactly. And yet, and yet, I don't, I don't care for the movie. So he kills a bunch more cops. He's killed like 2,000 cops at this point. Round the corner runs into Tay Diggs, who's like, how's it going, big man? Killed any cops lately? I bet not.

Starting point is 00:44:15 Feeling any emotions yet. And the rebels who he helped escape to run right into Tay Diggs's trap, and they're about to be executed in Tay Diggs, is like, yo, do you want to execute these guys and mess your game experiencing emotions? And he's like, hey, hey, use this gun and press the gas on. And I think you should have the honor of the executions and walks away like clearly

Starting point is 00:44:36 experiencing some emotions. Tadex is watching him like, hmm. Interesting. Interesting. One of the guys that they've captured is going to get killed, gives Christian Bayer a minuscule little nod near the end. So they're like, come on. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:54 So he goes to interrogate Mary again. I should say this is one of the other scenes that they do three times. Is they're in the interrogation room. He's like, it's good to not have emotions. And she goes, no, it's good to have emotions. And he goes, hmm, I will think about this very quickly. He also goes to, he goes to look at Sean Beans body, which strangely does not have a bullet wound in his face, but whatever. And he finds that he has an old photograph in his wallet. CD case. It's a CD case. Yeah, it's fully a CD. But he has a photo, a little crushed aluminium. There's a photograph of him and Mary.

Starting point is 00:45:29 And he goes to see Mary and is like, Yo, what did you know about Sean Binion? And she's like, you're the star of Goldnuy. Uh, yeah, he did this. These luck teams. And the other half. Brost me, jump! Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:42 Uh, just like he's from Sheffield, and then he's like, no, like you guys. I just jump. You guys were lovers, and by the way, he's dead, I killed him, and she's really, really angry. Yeah, she tries to jump him and kill him with a pencil, and in the course of like restraining her, he becomes uncontrollably horny for the first time.

Starting point is 00:46:03 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so this is life-catch-shut. This is what, this is what, like, you know, emotions are... He's like, why are you so scared? It's so soft, I wish my skin was soft like that way, what? This man is guilty of having relations with a female. Yeah. Um, so he goes to DuPont and it's just like,

Starting point is 00:46:20 yo, I want to track down the resistance, DuPont's like, yeah, cool sick, and then he instantly does... Proboots. Yeah, he does like immediately, it's just like, yo, I want to track down the resistance. Depends like, yeah, cool, sick. And then he instantly does. Who votes? Yeah, he does immediately. It's like, yeah. All right, where would the resistance be? And it just walks straight to that. He said, wait a minute.

Starting point is 00:46:33 What's the most obvious place the resistance could be? And this very obvious on the nose film, the library. I'll go back. Yeah, it's, yeah, yeah. Breathing is fundamental. He throws the guy through a wall. He finds William Fickner. I love to resistance.

Starting point is 00:46:47 Guy I love to see. Great, the fucking bank robbery scene and the Dark Knight doesn't work without him. And William Fickner is like, hey, getting this elevator with me. He shows him a room with people walking on the sidewalk on the ceiling through like glass bricks, and he goes

Starting point is 00:47:10 Welcome to the underground because this is a movie that is about With a my fucking FFS surgeon was less on the nose than this So they also make it to a polygraph test to make sure that he is not that I had FFF first. I make a polycure test. That is really my first to do this. But yeah, they can take a polygraph test to make sure that he's feeling emotions. And also we get this interesting other scene where just William Figner imply that he's still taking prosium. Yes, he does.

Starting point is 00:47:37 I don't think he does. I think I read this differently. The conversation he has is that like you and me, we do what's necessary. But, and so we're going to let Mary get killed, right? We don't, we don't care about that. Because that's the subject of it's been okay. It's because like being an insurgent like hardens your heart. It like forces you to become emotionless in a similar way. So really, you know, we're not so different. They and us, except we're doing it for a greater course. Yeah, oh yeah, because Christian Bell wants to go and rescue Mary and William, if you decide, don't try it, you'll just get yourself killed.

Starting point is 00:48:12 Yeah, don't try it. Or you'll make everything much faster if you go and see her again. I do want to bring something up, because I've just remembered, and this is something that I'm very excited about. The third or fourth time that they do the raid scene, the scene kicks off with a car driving through a massive wall of barrels. Yes, it does. It's fucking great. I wrote, I fucked my barrels. It's like a fucking wall of a truck. Yeah, it's really, it's fucking a truck.

Starting point is 00:48:39 They literally hang out. They're literally hanging out in the red barrel. And then later on, at this point, later on, he locks in a door that isn't closed, which I thought was very fun, when he's like, he's having a little chat with the library, and he turns the lock and you just see it stick out. So at this point, DuPont, like, summons him to his office to be like, hmm, you're a naughty little boy, are you having emotions? Cos I- Yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:11 You're just yelling at the entire scene. This guy, you have emotions. At least fuck, he's got some emotions. And sort of, like, to, he's like, no. And Diffol goes, oh, just what I wanted you to think. Yeah, I absolutely believe you. This was a test. I'm very clever.

Starting point is 00:49:34 He feels bad. He goes and he tries to save Mary from being executed because he feels bad. He's too late. Also, for some reason, they give her a sick red hood to be killed, don't you? Yeah, this is your execution robe. Yes, worth it for the drip.

Starting point is 00:49:48 I remember this scene where they put her in a fucking incinerator and the thing counts down, she gets incinerated. I remember this as being better and scarier, but now I think I must have been thinking of a better movie. And I can't think what it is now, but someone telling there was a dystopian future movie where they like heard a bunch of people into the big incinerator at once. That's like cribbing the same visual language. You're thinking of the TV in the island here.

Starting point is 00:50:17 Okay. I did find this scene quite effective because Preston fails to say for and then breaks down and cries in the street. And I remember this, this, this film like really affecting me and like scaring me quite a lot when I when I was like an egg when I was in the closet. Cause I was like, this is all, this is all I have to look forward to in the future is just being this kind of dead-eyed motherfucker. This like destroying other people like her and people around you, like being a weapon. I mean, maybe this is just me speaking to my experience of a sick leather jacket. Yeah, I do.

Starting point is 00:50:49 I do, in fact, still have my sick leather. Like, I'm not feeling any emotions jacket, which has my grenade pins on from when I was an army kid. I've still got it. But I was like, my own experience, my own experience of being in the closet was very much to kind of like, men are the gender that is the weapon. Like, we are the thing that has to kill this side ties back to the army, that's the thing

Starting point is 00:51:08 like we are the thing that has to hurt other people and that is the only thing that we can do. And I used to have, I- The role of men is to close with and kill the enemy. Yes, exactly. And I've talked about this on the channel on Flosford Street before, but one of the things I used to really fear was like turning around in a crowded space and bumping someone in hurting them because I was just like really fear was like turning around in a crowded space and like bumping someone in hurting them

Starting point is 00:51:25 Because I was just like all I can do is hurt people And so the idea of like being nurturing or caring or comforting which I agree I've very like stereotypically female things But is part something that is like an emotional space that is easier to access as a woman and also that people expect and viewers legitimate more when you're a woman Yeah, like this this film did scare me a lot as I kid, because I was just like, well, this is all I have to look forward to, it was like repressing myself and eventually hurting the people around me. So I define this scene quite affecting,

Starting point is 00:51:53 even if it's not as good as the island. Yeah, I didn't mind this scene at all. I quite liked this one. I'm really not sure if it is the island. I don't... Rythin, like every possible scene that's a variation of this. Anyway, I have read on for a society that's so against feeling this man has been wandering around obviously emotional for several days.

Starting point is 00:52:13 I guess you wouldn't want to be associated with someone with you in a totalitarian side. You wouldn't go up to him but you're okay, but because then you're fucked. No, I mean, the kids with the cops would just be like, that guy's clearly feeling something. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, true. This is kind of explained later, I guess. Yeah, it's just getting his fears, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He gets outside and he breaks down with like emotion.

Starting point is 00:52:34 The thing he talks about too, is like, I am pretty sure. He's really emotional. He's very emotional. He's got to be honest. 70% sersing here. It has come to my attention, you're probably feeling something. Yeah. On the stairs of the Bundesliga, he's just like,

Starting point is 00:52:52 doubled over crying and the headaches are like, Hey pal, you're under arrest. I genuinely love this kind of like confessional tone of like, I'm going to keep it real with you chief You are under arrest You are feeling emotions So he drags him in front of Dupont and what we get is sort of a lot of dragon in front of Dupont right away He he showboats a little first. He dragged him into the building. Yeah, and then like gathers all of the like normal guys around and goes,

Starting point is 00:53:27 check this shit out. And then he goes sort of like yelling, I don't have any emotions. Unlike this guy. Right. It's emotionally. I'm not feeling emotional. However, this guy is.

Starting point is 00:53:40 Yeah, because it ties into the idea that like you are allowed to feel some emotions as long as it's like contempt for the enemies of the state, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess so Yeah, and that's where you get the he's been getting she her pussy, so Which is a weird thing to introduce this late in the game right because yeah We're not gonna run you had a war like what Kind of from brother. What are you talking about like you had to just I've got why does he have a wife? What was the purpose of doing was drop in another word there just like having like unauthorized relations with a Smiles guilty Relations with the Asmire is guilty

Starting point is 00:54:28 To save our job for future use I think yeah, but just gonna outlive this movie in my memory So a Christian bell then he gets up and we get a sort of last second cut piece of courtroom drama Yeah, I'm saying now Mary from Christian mail Which goes actually this guy's emotional. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Christian bail, let's just go, no, you gas lights, gate key, because, because, because, because,

Starting point is 00:54:55 Tateg's, Tateg says, oh, like check the trace on his gun, you'll find that he killed all those cops, the other night, and then Depond, I didn't do that already. Yeah, you think I did it straight away. And then Depondont just like, I didn't do that already. Yeah, and you think that you do that straight away. And then, Depont is like, what I have just in fact, check the trace. And it was your gun, Tadex, the Tadex.

Starting point is 00:55:11 And Tadex is like, oh, you must have swapped them. Like, look, I'm carrying his gun now. It has his name on it. And then I, that, you suck, take it away. Now, if I just, and Christian fellow is just like, yeah, of course you've got my gun. You disarmed me when you arrested me, mate. And it's like, and you get is just like, yeah, of course you've got my gun. You disarmed me when you arrested me mate. And it's like, and you get me when I'm having an argument online, which is when Ted Hicks

Starting point is 00:55:31 get you taken away, he goes, I'm not feeling. He is the one who's feeling. I'm not screaming. I'm not, this guy's owned, it's not me. I'm face is not. I'm not a cop. This guy's owned it's not me. I'm face is not a I'm not owned I insist as I have slowly dragged to an incinerate one one one detail that I like about this is right before he like fucks him over like this Christian Bell Wink sat him so quickly you might miss it.

Starting point is 00:55:58 Yeah, because digs wink to him earlier. Yeah, so do you want the most seeing through Christian bail, mother fucker in this movie is like, oh, well, of course we want to exonerate you. We should probably search your house, you know, behind your mirror, things of this nature. Just to make sure there's no one to watch. The one that's in the back. Anyone in this movie hides something. We're just going to go straight for your mirror. Just, just, just to make sure you don't have anything to hide, Christian bail here,

Starting point is 00:56:23 looking like the most has something to hide, man. I see a bit of nowhere. A bit of a week goes to his house with the cops where I was sad and they're like, sorry, so we're just searching a house. It's just for Martin, he goes, excellent, I have nothing to hide. And then it literally even next to him

Starting point is 00:56:36 like lagging it up, it's there's like four at a time. It's really good. And he gets outside the house like around the corner and it's like, does like a deep breath. What I mean when I say that this guy is carrying the entire fucking movie, then he like power walks into the house as they're searching it, goes straight to the bathroom. So all the cops in there must even like damn, he must have really needed a shit.

Starting point is 00:57:00 And he pulls over the thing and it's none of his hidden drugs are there. Where could they be? And the door opens and closes behind him, but we don't see who it is because it's his Nazi son. And I wrote, my Nazi son, who is not after all a Nazi son, but has been secretly off his meds along with his daughter as well. And he have been like aiding and abetting him without him even noticing. Yeah, my two notes are, I hate my Nazi son

Starting point is 00:57:32 and they're like seconds arrow. Oh, I've mined. Yeah, I love my Nazi son. Yeah, my Nazi son. So at this point, Christopher, I'll say, yo, if I bring you the resistance, all of them, could I maybe like have an audience with father and I'm allowed to bring a gun?

Starting point is 00:57:48 And they go, yeah, yes. So Christian Bell makes one phone call that in me to the all the resistance are arrested. And knowingly, William Fakner is like, yeah, a cool sick plan, bro. As soon as you kill, as soon as you kill father, like will strike. So that happens like literally

Starting point is 00:58:05 in about 10 seconds. It cuts to him in the white digs baby, but the exact same outfit, but it's all white. Yeah, that's sort of like dress uniform. And he's got a katana as well. And the guy, the guy sort of like walks him up to the room and gives him the instructions for, you know, interacting with us after a live show. Do not address father unless you're spoken to. If you breach his personal security, you'll be immediately put down by sniper. Yeah, sit next to me on the train on the way home. Take them out by snipers. Go, we should have some snipers. She gets some snipers. So you guys don't. And just one other thing, we're going to need you to take a polycule test. Sorry, polygraph test. No, no, no, I was right. So if you fail the

Starting point is 00:58:55 polycule test, you are taken out by snipers, I'm sorry. That's right. So they take his weapon off of him. and they like ask him, you feel any emotions right now, Big Man? He's feeling emotions. And he goes, it's very obviously feeling emotion. Yeah, so it's quite cute actually, because they've got to the paragraph test and they go,

Starting point is 00:59:14 question one, was the best way to take a weapon away from a super cop, Clarek Dude? And then, and then Tay Diggs appears behind him, he's like, yeah, ask him for it. It's so cool. So it's cool. Tay Diggs from behind him, he's like, yeah, ask him for it. It's so cool. So this is cool. Tay Diggs, for the entire back half, is like absolutely feeling himself to such a degree.

Starting point is 00:59:32 I really, really love seeing this guy. Yeah. Tay Diggs appears and is like, I'm feeling some emotions, big band. Yeah. You guys are funny. I'm rock hard right now. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:41 He was just as I feel like, how the we tricked you and you're a dumbass. Yeah. And so he was obviously like, are that we tricked you and you're a dumbass. Yeah, and so father explains to him, yeah, the reason why no one's called you on your extremely obvious lies is because we've been playing you from the start to deliver us the resistance. You were like an unwitting infiltrator. And you know, I knew that from the first time I met you. Bro, you're like a triple agent. I get like brackets dumbass goes, I've never met you to which father goes, ah, it's a fucking Wizard of Oz situation can't. I'm not Sean Pertswee. I'm the guy you've been talking to all along.

Starting point is 01:00:19 I love this live. I'm a real guy. Yeah, it's a Wizard of Oz situation. It was in them. It was in Wicked as well. Yeah. Oh, it's... Yeah, Dorothy being like, oh, it's like a Wizard of Oz situation.

Starting point is 01:00:31 Yeah. You can't. So yeah, it's deponded with the eight of the holodac shit. It's like, well, actually, I've been father's time. Father's been dead for years. I'm just a hologram. It's not real. The machine that makes you look like Sean Perth, vital invention.

Starting point is 01:00:50 Uh-huh. And then, not sure what you couldn't have just like a succession, but it doesn't matter. Yeah. And then he's like, how, how, you dipshit, you came in like you totally, you totally just handed yourself over and you didn't do it and then Christian's births like, actually,

Starting point is 01:01:03 I brought guns and you should have used the metal detector and then he said, he says, he says a line. This is, this is specifically, I include the new metal here. I'm coming. He's standing here, he's looking at she, her pussy, Christian male. You pleased. I'm coming. I'm coming. I'm coming. I'm going to come. This is sick. He goes gun for mode.

Starting point is 01:01:32 He kills, it's gay. He kills a bunch of people. It's sick. He does like a, I'm sorry. This is kind of sick. Yeah, it's just actually good. No, this one fucks. This one fucks.

Starting point is 01:01:42 In the corridor. Well, he's like doing like chucky. He chucks the magazines out into the middle of the floor, goes out, does gun food, like does a flip, then like crouches down, reloads, and then like kills all these fucking dudes. It's sick. He bursts into the room where, where fucking Dupont

Starting point is 01:01:57 and Brand are waiting, and then there's like six dudes with samurai swords and he kills them too. One of, no, no, no, no, no, no, one of them stands in front of him and grouse. Yeah, that's unusual. Yeah, it makes this noise. Yes, it's like stretch. I need to very much boost that one.

Starting point is 01:02:16 I don't think we will. That's the level that it's at. It's normalised. You just very quietly just goes like, these are like the elite guards and then Christian Bell kills them with a samurai sword and then it's it's it's it's quite funny actually

Starting point is 01:02:28 At this point like Tay Diggs and DuPont I want to jump this guy six Yeah, I was like lucky air actually because like he gets surrounded by all these guys who have like the samurai swords around But they stand so close to him that he just like reaches out and takes the samurai sword out of the guy behind him So yeah, it's a room to draw the boards. He just goes, Joupe, thanks very much, kills him all very easily. And then we get one thing, it's the funniest thing I've ever seen in my fucking life. I love this bit so much, because Tay Diggs, like, DuPont goes, get him, and like, Tay Diggs is like, all right boys, it's time for the big man. All fucking, he like,

Starting point is 01:03:07 all moving music, like, you've been getting ready for the fucking big man to come in here, he takes one of his swords and he delivers a sick nasty line, he goes mind the uniform, mind the uniform, cleric, I'm looking to be wearing it for many years and then he gets fucking annihilated in like three seconds.

Starting point is 01:03:23 I'm sorry for I'm taking it. Exactly. He didn't get out of the fight. He has killed Instant. This is me as a video game boss. It's like, I have the entrance theme. I have the music. I have the long tracking show of me.

Starting point is 01:03:37 I have a point. It's a bit right at the start of Doom Eternal, where they're introducing the enemies. Like the imp comes in and gets like an introductory cutscene. And then he takes one bullet to kill. Just a bit right at the start of Doom Eternal where they're introducing the enemies, like the Imp comes in and gets like an introductory cutscene and then he takes one bullet to kill. It's literally just that way. Like, oh my god. Alright.

Starting point is 01:03:53 And Tupon goes, um, he cuts off his face. Yep, yep, yep, yep. In like a not very good bit of special effect his face falls off Whatever, I don't want to see that in a good special effects. I don't want to see a real We cut back to Dupont who's just sitting at his desk like Ah sitting his head like oh, she doesn't look good. Her head looks too small for her body. They took too much off the drawer. Just cuts his face.

Starting point is 01:04:28 Bro, it looks like the fucking, um, the guy in attack on Titan, who just like drags his face along the ground. I'm sorry. Depon's like, yeah, it looks good in selfies, but when you see her in person, it's just strange. Have we ever had any indication

Starting point is 01:04:42 that DuPont knows how to fight? We have not. Have we ever seen him fight? We have not. Have we ever seen him fight? We have not. Why would we need to? Logically, he must. I'm afraid because you've got the guy that it makes sense to have the final fight with gets dispatched easily.

Starting point is 01:04:54 So obviously this guy has to be able to do it. I think it's a final version. And the result. Or not a version. The result is what I would describe as a sort of a gun slap fight with a guy with my bills, which is, if you're curious, not athletes. Yeah, it's so good. Because it's so surprising that DuPont, like,

Starting point is 01:05:12 gets up and starts wepping ass, like, he's like having this incredible gun food fight with Christian Bell, and it's like, how the fuck has this guy got the moves? It's great. Now, the fucking goes, man, it's so good. It's very, you know, remember that guy on YouTube did, like, Detroit threat management or threat reduction sent to the guy who like teaches you, if a guy has a gun point at your face, you just slap it away kind of thing.

Starting point is 01:05:35 It's very much like that. He's got me. Or does he? You know, I do it on this, like, gun, it's so fucking sick. And then, anyway, Christian Bell wins in Disarms and when they're due, heons goes, you can't kill me, I've got Phoebe's. You can't kill me because... Society. There's a fucking painting behind him as well. It's the painting is consequences of war by the re-curses. Again, it's like...

Starting point is 01:05:56 Oh, okay. This film is very obvious. This is so... Society. That's what it is. It's like, it's good. It's like the bit of fucking... Oh my God, which, which Ryan was it? Shadow Recruit. Well, he's just got this massive Napoleon painting in his fucking room.

Starting point is 01:06:12 It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you think about it, if you're going to be unsuttle, like a Russian, the poor. If you're going to be unsuttle, you've got to be cool about 100%. I really like the last two scenes with movie. I genuinely quite like them. But so Christian Baal is not buying it. He shoots them. Oh, he repeats the line. The fucking short beam said it was not paid gladly. And he gets shot.

Starting point is 01:06:36 You have to at least give it. It's juicy. I do. I do like Depond's death where he tries to keep standing up. And it's like really shocked. And it just falls over dead. It's good dying acting. Oh yeah, if I'm ever asked to die, many times actually in my mentions, but on screen,

Starting point is 01:06:51 if I'm ever direct to die, I'm going to chew that scenery baby. Don't die is difficult. It's a difficult thing to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have prince. I remember we had to have... I remember on the prince, like, the... like, our fight choreographer had to like teach us, like, well, to teach me in particular my character, like, how to... how to die and like, have it be emotional and like, have it be affecting, like, it is... it is very difficult to do.

Starting point is 01:07:18 Yeah. I mean, God, no, I believe you, because I've seen bad ones. Yeah. So, like, I know, oh my God, I know. Yeah. So, he kills my god, I know. Yeah. So he kills DeFant, he goes out to the window, sees that the resistance is blowing up all of the factories for the testosterone factories.

Starting point is 01:07:35 Yeah, the testosterone factories. I really like this shot in particular, just the one of the city, because it's all early CG or like map painted. And it kind of looks like a metropolis to me. I find it to be quite good. I think this is the peak of visual effects as far as I've concerned. You shouldn't you shouldn't be doing anything with computers as far as I can. There's like one door opening that they do with a

Starting point is 01:07:59 computer and it looks pretty solid actually. I like that. Yeah, yeah, and then we see that the kids are fine, the dogs find the resistant show up and choose a bunch of cops. Yeah, so finally, finally, you get your cops being killed? Yeah, and then we see Christian Bale smile out of the window and that's the movie, that's Equal Librarian. I remembered it more fondly the first time.

Starting point is 01:08:22 And if it had just lived in my memory, I would have been quite positive about it. But I had to rewatch it for this, and I didn't care for it. I think you're wrong. I think it's sick. I think it unintentionally has some cool things to say about being transgender, namely that you should allow you to feel emotions. Of course, like, to- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- To- such a basic piece of self-realization that anything you like coincide with it when you realize it for yourself feels profound. Yeah, shut up, how about that? How about you fuck off? That's fine.

Starting point is 01:08:52 Yeah, I agree completely. Shut up. I agree completely. But also, I like it. I know, that's fine. That's a great point. I don't mean to be. It's a criticism, right?

Starting point is 01:09:02 That's like, I don't begrudge this being, like, blow-throw from your shows, right? I don't begrudge you having affection for this. I just think that the, like, one of the reasons why you do this is because I can identify stuff that I've done this with. It's that, like, stuff that might be remedial even just on its own merits,

Starting point is 01:09:22 I associate it with me having those big realizations. And you look at what it's actually saying in the absence of my personal realizations about myself and my ways of living shit like that. It's just like society. That's true. I acknowledge that objectively, if I take my prosium,

Starting point is 01:09:38 then I will not feel as fondly about this film as I do. But since I have stopped taking my prosium, listeners I would say if you haven't seen equilibrium, I'd say it's like pretty short, it's fun, it's got some cool visuals and I was like, we're checking out, I'm like, look, I'll hit the halfway point between the two of you and be like, oh, sorry, I quite like the bits of it.

Starting point is 01:09:57 I thought bits were very stupid. Yeah, it's very, very on the nose. But again, like, and I mean this sincerely, it's on the nose in the same way that a philosophy tube video is because it's pitched to people who maybe haven't engaged with their ZD as much before and it's like, you have, it's like very arched. That's just part of what I have.

Starting point is 01:10:13 If all of the movies that I've watched for this show, this is one of them. And it's the most recent one. I would say, if you want to watch a movie about Kung Fu and guns and wearing a cool, long leather coat, and confronting someone who's dressed in the opposite color palette from you, or they explain how society works, and it's also about being transgender, watch the Matrix, they did that on purpose.

Starting point is 01:10:40 Yeah, yeah, it's not as good as a Matrix, but... It's not. I mean, what what is I think it's worth checking out. Yeah, yeah. No, I think it's fine. We need your record. Some people we should do an episode about about the matrix and just not mention trans stuff at all. That would be quite fun. The very cisgender film series, The Matrix. And that's equilibrium. So, you know, what do we learn from this? What's the say about masculinity? What's the say about society?

Starting point is 01:11:11 I think about, I think it says about masculinity, that masculinity is an essentially deadening force, that it requires men to kill apart of themselves constantly and to ultimately hurt the people around you that it's not good and you shouldn't do it. Yeah, no, you're right. And that is true. I like how the kids are like just not taking it.

Starting point is 01:11:36 And it's like, that's just part of it. It's a real on TikTok. It's not a real on damn TikTok. It's like, I'm just saying, hey, we don't take prosium where I'm from. We just trick sparkling water. You're taking still prosium like a peasant? Taking prosium with your dodgy mate.

Starting point is 01:11:50 Um. Well, this is, this is, this is, uh, another bonus episode, a little bit of housekeeping just before it we end off. Um, the vault from the last, uh, three episode has been granted a cow,fond, a cow-fond star for being. Nothing has cow-fond us, but there's a lot of us.

Starting point is 01:12:11 Oh, there's a non-human recipient of an award, I think. So we didn't mention this, but the vault is like a free-standing ship in container. So if you're imagining like a cool, or an award, no, it's waynapper. Yeah, yeah. So our next mainline. Way napkin. So it is. I can fucking star was character.

Starting point is 01:12:30 Way napkin. No, it's not way napkin. It's not way napkin. It's not way napkin. It's just music. Way napkin, like a football ball. Yeah. So next, a way napkin.

Starting point is 01:12:39 A next mainline. Yeah. A next mainline, man from Uncle Episode is one spy too many. Our next bonus episode, who's turn is it for? Must be Devons, because I just need a new robot cop too. Thank you. Okay, okay, brilliant. It's robot. We're not. We're not going to watch robot cop one. We're just going to. Robot cop one is a new movie. Just watch it. And then it's I'm going to totally derail that with my bonus choice after that.

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Upstream - S2E13.5: Equilibrium

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