Upstream - S3E7.5: The Edge [PREVIEW]

Episode Date: November 30, 2023

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I tell you what I like your style. And I think your wife's pretty cute too. Hello and welcome to a bonus episode of Cool James Bond. I am Alan Skulled by Kelly. I'm joined by my friends Abigail Thorne and Devon. Hey! And we have a special guest. We have Annie Kelly from QAnon Anonymous. Annie, how's it going? It's going very well. Thank you. Thanks for having me on the broadcast. It's our pleasure. We made you watch.

Someone starstruck by this is probably the guest that I've been listening to for the longest. Yeah, yeah. Well, somebody's actually searing its a no-s-shit. What star strike by this is probably the guess that I've been listening to for the longest that I've seen. Yeah, yeah, we've got somebody's actually serious and no shit. We keep doing this. We keep getting people who we like earnestly admire and making them watch just a film and just sort of wasting their time with it.

Well, I don't think it's almost dumb because the reason I specifically invited you on, I really enjoyed your work on the myth of poetic men's rights movement. And I thought this film, the edge from 1997, kind of like, has some stuff to say about that? Maybe I thought it might interest you if you weren't already aware of it. I agree. No, I hadn't seen this movie before, but it had a deeply mythopoetic element to it, which I thought was really interesting. I actually joked when Abby invited me on the podcast,

I think, and told me about the film. I said something like, I thought I'd seen every masculine anxiety movie from the 1990s, but apparently one passed me by, so. They made so many. It was a real issue. So many. Yeah. They made so, so many in the Shara. Also, there's a little bit of Abby Law here because this film I watched when I was a kid,

and it actually does have a little bit of importance and law here because this film I watched when I was a kid and it actually does have a little bit of importance and meaning to me for reasons we'll get into. I had quite a touch to it, although I recognise that it is problematic and we'll get into that. You feel the deep relationship with someone trying to kill someone for their wife. Yeah, we'll get into that when we talk about David Mammott, but anyway. Yeah, so this is your bonus book, Abby, The Edge. And I mean, I sort of quite enjoyed this one. I have some thoughts. But the first thing you need to know coming into this

is Anthony Hopkins is a billionaire. He is married to El McPherson. Everybody he meets in the course of this movie is gonna want married to El McPherson. Everybody he meets in the course of this movie is gonna want to fuck El McPherson and this is a huge problem for him, right? This is the sort of like inciting incident, I guess. He's like on vacation in, is it Alaska? Yeah, yeah.

With his wife, who I thought was his daughter to start with, which already gives you a sort of like some starting point here. Brilliant. Yeah, genuinely though. His wife and Alec Baldwin, who is like a team, he's like a photographer, he's a fashion photographer, because his wife is a model and he is like a team of photographers with him. One of whom is Meku Shio from Baslemans, Romeo and Juliet. Yeah, he's from this. And Link from Lost, right? No, Link from The Matrix,

and I forget we played in Lost. Oh, Harold Perino. Yeah, Guy we love to see. But yeah, so he gets off the plane. And immediately, the first guy he talks to is like, is that Elmock Pearson? Which is just it's a little insulting. It also sets the first of, I have a button for this.

Anytime Anthony Hopkins is in a movie, right? He has this thing he does. He has a special move where if he's playing a kind of special attack, yeah, his special attack, where if Anthony Hopkins is playing a kind of special attack, yeah, his special attack, where a fantasy Hopkins is playing a kind of like a loop intellectual character, which is a lot of the roles he plays. His way of like ending a conversation is to make a kind of like thoughtful, yeah, and I have a button that will give me a random one of

from this movie because he does this about 20 times. You can cut all of these together. You can put a counter on screen for every he does. But that's how good he is. He doesn't even need lines. I wish I could get out of stuff like that. You know, I can't think about anything to say. Yeah.

Yeah, sadly, you have to talk for an hour about a movie instead. Yeah. He's kind of the like, you know, how do I describe this billionaire? Rational male billionaire, Anthony Hopkins. He just reads books all the time. That's his whole thing.

He's just like reading fact books. He's retaining information. We get this set up because he correctly identifies like a Korean-Dian symbol on the back of a, like, or some shirt. And everyone's like, all very impressive, mate. And he goes, no, it fucking sucks. I just know all this shit, but I have never like, fuck me, talk about movies, you know. So yeah, he, yeah, I literally wrote Alice on in my notes. My notes, I wrote it in my notes.

Yeah, I mean, one thing I found really interesting interesting is I guess when I read the plot of this movie um I assumed it would be a classic story of you know a kind of bookish nerd who you know is forced to um don't want to go too far ahead in the story but it's forced to kind of confront sort of confront the wilderness. They're practical realities of your life being in danger. But one thing that's funny about this is for that plot line to work, it needs to be undervalued trait that he is so smart and knows all of this stuff.

But in fact, like instantly everyone is just incredibly impressed by his knowledge. There's like never a moment where, like that knowledge is devalued in any sense. Everyone's just like, oh my God, this guy's amazing. He knows everything. He's delicirate billion. And the thought that I had watching this,

knowing it was gonna, there was gonna be like a disaster because it's gonna be a disaster movie. I was like, this is a hundred percent how the ocean gate submarine guy stocked and rushed. This is how he saw himself. As he was putting the like Xbox controller into the death tube, he was like, that's me, I'm the litter at Billy and I'm going to give Anthony Hopkins an Xbox controller. He would know what that is. They're like giving me, they're giving a Labrador a particle accelerator. So these are from two completely different worlds.

Like, he doesn't know what that is. He was Lauren Celevia's understudy. He's not MLG. You can't give him that. If you put it in the script, he will read it. My proof for this is that I have a very clean drop from Stormbreaker of Stephen Fry saying Nintendo DS games just do so it can be done So they're going to this this like Cabin resort in the middle of nowhere they have to fly in as they fly in Alec Baldwin's character is talking about how cool his watches

And I'm like that's the foreshadowing yeah, and they're also talking about bird strikes. Yeah. Yes. A bit of a watch. It's the foreshadowing scene and also the bear's watch out for bears. Yeah, he does go in on like GMT watch complications, which you know is a sort of welcome piece of violence against watch guys. But they get to this cabin and there's a guy there. This is Styles. He's just sort of like back woods like a sult of the earth, like sort of homespun country. He's the manager of the lodge, yeah. Yeah, that.

And he's the one who like tests, Sandsley Hopkins knowledge of like random bullshit and is impressed when he happens to know some random bullshit. Yeah, it gives him a fiver. He does. Yeah, like he would a child, which there's a note here because our our fucking Malik Baldwin character is a photographer. And while he's he's walking in here,

he sees this photograph on. I have the drop. He like sees a like black and white photo and goes, and on the sentimental photograph. You know to get a truly unsolved conscious photograph, you almost have to go all the way back to the 19th century. Which is not true. It's not sentimental.

The sentimental photograph ruled the 19th century. What if, but he's like, it's fine if he's like a bullshitter in a faker, right? That can't be. Yeah, because it's a classic like mammoth way of doing this, right? It's like, yeah, you set this up and then he is immediately humiliated by the guy going, and I took that last week. Yeah.

That's my friend. Definitely. Yeah. Not only are you wrong, you're also racist because you think that, like, a nice for American is, like, a sort of thing at the past and that's my lawyer. Yeah, historic lawyer. We get a little bit of a, we get a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a that we sort of witness his hubris and then contrast it with the humility of the simple billionaire. Yeah. It's just kind of like, happens a lot.

Yeah. There's a lot of like, whoa, for the billionaire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, everyone hates me just because I have a million pounds in my own a plane and a million dollars. I know that the other side of that all has a rabbit vaping on it. The rabbit is also themes. The theme is that like it's a, you know, it's a

creased story and the rabbit is on the other side of the thing vaping because he doesn't have to be afraid because he's smarter than the predator. This is themes, David Mammett, he loves his themes. So at this point, they go to bed. I realize at this point in the movie that I'm first and supposed to be his wife Well now that's quite enough of that if you want to hear the rest of this episode of our wonderful guest Annie Kelly and all of this great analysis that you I'm love I shouldn't have said that. You do know and love the analysis. patreon.com slash killjaysbond all in words. Sign up now!