Kill James Bond! - S4E2: Ocean's 11 (1960)

Episode Date: November 30, 2024

This week, we literally cannot help ourselves. No sooner are we free of the 1960s do we dive right back in to talk about the original Ocean's 11! This Rat Pack classic caper stars various white boys s...ure to make your nan point at the screen and pog out. ----- FREE PALESTINE Hey, Devon here. For the past few months I've been talking to a family trapped in Gaza, working to cover their daily living costs amidst repeated displacements in the Genocide. Their names are Ahmed and Layla, and their 4 kids are Jana, Malik, Lana and Amir. Anything you can contribute would mean the world to me. They deserve to live. https://www.gofundme.com/f/a8jzz-help-me-and-my-family-get-out-of-the-gaza-strip https://www.map.org.uk/donate/donate ----- Consider supporting us on our reasonably-priced patreon! https://www.patreon.com/killjamesbond ------ WEB DESIGN ALERT Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here:  https://www.tomallen.media/ Kill James Bond is hosted by November Kelly, Abigail Thorn, and Devon. You can find us at https://killjamesbond.com

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What's your relationship to Jimmy Foster? I'm gonna marry his mama. Hello and welcome to another episode of Kill James Bond. I am November Kelly. I am joined as always by my friends Abigail, Thorne and Devon. Hello! Ring-a-ding-ding, baby! For the second episode of Robbery Season. And where do we go with a heist-themed season of Kill James Bond? To the obvious franchise, Ocean's Eleven. Yeah, we're doing a franchise again! It's
Starting point is 00:00:46 been a while since we did a little run of movies all in the same universe, it's nice, gives us an opportunity to... ALICE Relax! Kick back a bit. ALICE Yeah, get some good jokes in. ZACH Get our teeth in, get some running bits going, beautiful. ALICE We've barely accused anyone of having been raised by fishermen, in like, years, you know?
Starting point is 00:01:02 ALICE Been too long. ALICE And, you know, now we can finally do that again. Why'd you think he's called Danny Ocean? You know? The Ocean's Eleven. Fisherman's Eleven. Franchise. Yeah, Fisherman's Friend, or Ocean's Eleven.
Starting point is 00:01:23 You know the films with like, Brad Pitt and George Clooney, right? They did a whole number of them. They did Ocean's Eleven, they did Ocean's Eleven's sequel, they did Ocean's Eleven's sequel too, they did Ocean's Eleven for girls... They did Ocean's Women! Yeah. We will talk about that, but we're not here for those. We're here for the first one.
Starting point is 00:01:41 We are casino royaling that shit, because Ocean's Eleven, spelled with numbers, Ocean's One-One, came out in 1960 with The Rat Pack. This is a Rat Pack movie. If you're not familiar with The Rat Pack, The Rat Pack was basically Frank Sinatra's, like, sort of... Frank Sinatra's none... What's the word for when you don't fuck someone, I've already forgotten it. Like platonic? Yeah, Frank Sinatra's platonic molecule, right? If you were like, hanging out with Frank Sinatra and he thought you were cool, you would be
Starting point is 00:02:17 in the Rat Pack, and one of the perks of that, aside from... Mafia? Well, no, that was like... It was mob adjacent, but these were just like Frank Sinatra's... NICOLAS Yeah, very much man, but... yeah. ALICE You might get to like, for instance, perform on stage in Vegas, you might get to like, help assassinate the president, all of these
Starting point is 00:02:36 things. All these opportunities were open to you. But one of the things that you might get to do was act, in very loose quotes, in a movie, because they made like, a bunch of movies, which were... if I had to pick an adjective and it includes this movie, I would say comfortable. LWX Yeah, they're not particularly challenging, it doesn't ask much of you... ALICE A movie that asks only... LWX You know, tight dialogue, you know?
Starting point is 00:02:58 ALICE The e-hangout. Yeah. It's like if they made a movie of Kill James Bond, but like, not of anything related, just about the process of making an episode, and they had to film us just hanging out and having a good time. It's like, you might say, well that seems kind of easy, because you were already gonna do that, there's just a camera here. You know, someone's coming to give you better lines than you have in real life. You don't forget the word platonic
Starting point is 00:03:25 in this one, you know? But this shit was like the Avengers for your grandpa. Oh yeah man. Like Frank Sinatra is in this movie, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr, Peter Lawford, Joey Bishop, those are the others. Peter Lawford is interesting right, because he was like the English one in the Rat Pack. Except... Except...
Starting point is 00:03:46 Except... Except... Except... Except... Except... Except... Except... Except...
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Starting point is 00:04:02 Except... Except... Except... Except... Except... Except... Except... and be hooked in like that, instead of hooked in with a mob, which is what he was. And because he was hooked in with the mob and would later have JFK killed, JFK and RFK at the time were like, we don't want to stay at Frank Sinatra's house. Frank Sinatra had been pushing for this, he had customized his whole house to make it JFK friendly, you know, like strange women hanging around, no convertibles, lots of back brace on every wall, and he had like a helipad installed for the presidential helicopter, and then the Kennedys were like, now we're gonna go and stay with Bing Crosby instead.
Starting point is 00:04:39 And Frank Sinatra took this as this unspeakable betrayal, and he blamed Lawford for not advocating for him, and the Wikipedia page says that this led to Sinatra angrily destroying his own helipad. Which I really... How did we...? Yeah! It's a very funny image. I put a bear hat.
Starting point is 00:04:59 I've been trying to visualize that and failing for two days, just like punching and kicking a painted H on the ground. It's like, ugh. Frank Sinatra had like, Cyclops eye beams? Just like scuffing up a big H. Cause everyone in the Rampack had a different superpower, that's something that I was telling you about. Just getting the mob to assassinate your helipads.
Starting point is 00:05:19 I think it's when angrily destroying something, it's like slapping something off of a table, right? You gotta get in a backhoe, drive over it a couple of times. Yeah, the helipad washes up on the shores of the East River. Also very funny to be like, you hand in your rat pack badge and gun, you are no longer a member. Hand in your extremely cool snub nose revolver, you know? Rat summer is over! Hand in your fucking casino chip. extremely cool, like, snub-nosed revolver, you know? RAT SUMMER IS OVERLAPED! I also...
Starting point is 00:05:46 And then your fuckin' casino chip, you know? I've been working on Rat Pack the whole time, because I naturally say Brat Pack, which is something else, that was an 80s thing, that wasn't these guys. I mean, basically like, every ten years or so some group of rich, famous people decide we're just like the Rat Pack. Yeah. So...
Starting point is 00:06:08 What if me and my friends hanging out was like the height of culture in our society? Yeah, exactly. That's where the remake of Ocean's Eleven comes from, is from Clooney and Brad Pitt being like, damn, we're just like these guys. Um, these guys? What if we were the new elites? Yeah. Nowadays the Rat Pack would be like fucking Mr. Beast, it's Frank Sinatra. Yeah. They just made lunch. What's it called?
Starting point is 00:06:28 If they shot a heist movie together, I might have to kill myself is the thing. I'd review it for the podcast, but it would culminate in me killing myself. Coming soon to Nebula. We'll do it live. Stress them. What were you at? A Nebula original. Yeah. Oh, the behind the scenes for that one's gonna be a mess. Yeah, yeah. Just doing director's commentary on my own suicide, where I'm like, you know, so what I was really going for in this scene was... This was pretty derivative, honestly.
Starting point is 00:06:58 This didn't work the way I thought it would. I'm doing the director's commentary for Director's Ex-Girlfriend next week. With the director and exec producer. I should've killed myself at the scene there. I should say, right, as far as the Rat Pack stuff goes, I'm like mentally, I'm like, nailed it every time, I didn't say Brat Pack. The stuff with the Rat Pack... You've not got it wrong yet. It's all very like, old Las Vegas stuff, it's like, you know, sharpsuits, it's like tossing a quarter in your hand,
Starting point is 00:07:26 it's like calling women dames, ring a ding, baby. I hate that shit. I'm not a fan. I don't enjoy it. Oh, I love that shit, so I had a really good time with it, sadly. I actually loved this. It is very Fallout, New Vegas, but that does kinda wear off after about thirty minutes? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:44 I'm just like, oh, these guys are just normal guys. Vegas, but that does kind of wear off after about thirty minutes? ALICE Yeah. Yeah. ALICE I'm just like, oh, these guys are just normal guys. They look kinda, yeah. ALICE Your tolerance for, like, Vegas shit will highly influence what you think of this movie. So you think of Ocean's Eleven. ALICE Yeah. JUSTIN Masterpiece.
Starting point is 00:07:57 We start with a classic 60s style, really over the top intro. The only way that this has survived to the modern day culturally is Bond themes. God, that's true! It's like the last of its species, my god, you're so right! It was contemporaneous! And it's the only one left, like, founder theory or something. Yeah. It's like a fucking passenger pigeon, but we get this sort of swing and open and... Yeah, it tells us who the boys are, it counts up to eleven, gives us some of the names of
Starting point is 00:08:24 the Rat Pack guys and the other guys that aren't part of the Rat Pack but make up the 11 just aren't named. Very funny. ALICE There aren't even like, 11 of them enumerated at any single point. I'm pretty certain that to get to 11 you're counting like, at least two women, both of whom actively dislike Danny Ocean. Like...
Starting point is 00:08:42 RILEY Yes. ALICE It's like, it's like me me counting like X's in the polycures. Like yeah I'm actually dating like 16 people at the same time, and it's like meanwhile like four of them are like what? You sure? I need to look up pictures of all their faces, god. This is another problem. You will quickly discover a problem, which is that there's Frank Sinatra. Nine clones of Frank Sinatra.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Sammy Davis Jr. Sammy Davis Jr. Like, alright, I got these two. Got em. There's Henry Silver, who I recognize, because he looks like a fucking elf. So hanging out with my friends who look exactly like me. They do, and it makes the film so difficult to film, like, I know what Dean Martin looks like because I recognize his voice, but other than that it's just like, it's ten Danny Oceans
Starting point is 00:09:30 and Sammy Davis Jr. because they all have the military walk, they all wear the same kind of suits, they all have the same haircut, and they're all white guys, I can't tell them apart! No! For real. Yeah, there was only like four or five that I had really locked in in my head. Give them a big lapel badge with a number, what number in the 11 they are. Which oceans are you, motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:09:49 You need to name it pronouns, like, at all times. Doing the like, reservoir dogs thing, Mr. One. One of them's like a toothpick, give one of them like a, you know, crazy hairstyle or a cowboy hat, you know, let me just... Well, they gave one of them the cowboy stuff, right, they're like, this guy's a cowboy... They took it off him, but he still has the fuckin' eagle's nose. Henry Silver I got every time, cause he walks around looking like a wood elf the whole fuckin' time.
Starting point is 00:10:13 Pisa-Lorford is English, which helps when he talks. Yes. No, cause he just has that weird mid-Atlantic thing, because his voice coach was American when he transitioned. Yeah, but like, the thing is, right, all of that differentiation stuff doesn't, that's not how you get and stay friends with Frank Sinatra. To be friends with Frank Sinatra you had to be either in the mob, or dress and act and sound exactly like Frank Sinatra, because he was like auto-androphilic or whatever.
Starting point is 00:10:37 Like, auto-Sinatra-file. And so like, all of his boys are kind of like him. Yeah, Frank Sinatra and his various, like, body doubles, confuse you as they walk toward you like Tusken Raiders. You would have a hair of a time assassinating Frank Sinatra, like, between, like, you know, going back and forth in the sniper scope. Especially since he's already dead. For which one of these guys you want to shoot, and the mob affiliation, you'd have a time. Whatever, I'm rolling up with two of the Weezer guns. S- The 11 barreled gun for when you wanna assassinate the rapper.
Starting point is 00:11:11 One of these fuckers has gotta be Sinatra. AL- Three Weezer guns and we gotta kill one bonus person. BD- Yeah, I got the Weezer guns all over me like a pirate has flintlocks. Just like... Yeah, the people that know this, but the Maxim gun originally invented to like take out the Rat Pack. How does this movie fucking stop? So we open, not in Las Vegas, but in California. Yes. At a barber's shop, and there is a man, a Greek man, and a Mr. Spiros Asebus, who gets
Starting point is 00:11:46 a call. He's very nervous. I love this guy. And twitchy, this guy. I love this fucking guy. This guy's great. He's not one of the Frank Sinatra's, he's the sort of... He's not one of the Eleven, no.
Starting point is 00:11:55 Bigger guy. What they've done is they've gotten an actor, and so he, like, outrides all of them easily. Yes. And he's trying, like, as you say, very nervous, his deal, as we find out from his heterosexual live-in life partner, is that he is the West Coast's foremost heist planner. RILEY Yes. We get a line off of him, which I love, where he goes,
Starting point is 00:12:20 GARBAGE One more question. Inform me, frankly, what have I done to earn contempt? RILEY What have I done to earn contempt?" What he's done to earn contempt, he's like, I have so many good ideas, all of the Rat Packs heists are my ideas, like why do they hate me? And he's like, maybe it's just because you just have ideas and you don't do anything. It's like, wow. He's got like a condition or something, leave him alone. Yeah. Yeah, he's a crime boss, and we'll also find out later, he has a criminal record so he can't
Starting point is 00:12:46 be seen anywhere near this, but he is in fact the one who's planned this heist. And he's like, well where's Danny Ocean, I'm trying to get in touch with him to cast him in this heist I'm doing. And we cut across to somewhere where we meet two guys, one of them is the English guy? Yes. Yeah. Foster? He is roommates with, I guess. Oh my god.
Starting point is 00:13:08 Frank Sinatra, who comes out wearing a horrible orange mohair sweater, which looks like a bathmat. Yeah, it's like salmon pink. I wrote, they literally don't make these any more good. Yeah. This is you introducing your leading man, does he come in, like, you know, wearing a sexy suit, is he like, no, he comes in looking like your grandma, and he's fucking a Trojan. Looks like he's fucking skinned a boobah, you know, like...
Starting point is 00:13:38 My man's been muppet hunting. My Gerbert Hyde sweater. No, Gerbert Hyde sweater. No! Gerbert Hyde! Good. That time somebody shot that little shit. So Foster, this Peter Lawford, is getting a sexy massage from a woman who's wearing the kind of outfit that they just don't make anymore.
Starting point is 00:14:03 Yeah, it's mostly made of orange mohair. ALICE No, no, it's white and doesn't really exist. It's like femboy shorts, but even shorter, like, just almost, almost pussy-out. ALICE It's like Greek fire, you know, they lost that technology when the Romans came in, and then they briefly rediscovered it when they were building Caesar's Palace, and then lost again, you know? Yeah. Ambition, but like, she's giving him a sexy massage. Where I'm like, the Caesar's Palace casino in Las Vegas is the legitimate heir to the Roman Empire, it's the only one.
Starting point is 00:14:33 Mm-hmm. That's why they named the Legion after it. But no, he's getting a sexy massage from this lady, and he's not answering the phone to a sabre, because he's soy and gay, we don't like that. Yeah. He's like, I never answer the phone in the month of December. Cool. Thanks man. SONIA Yeah. Danny comes in, he's also getting a shoulder
Starting point is 00:14:49 rub from a sex lady, and like, a sabre keeps calling, he's like, well, are we gonna take this caper, alright, let's do it, let's do it, and then Frank Sinatra commits sexual assault. ALICE Yeah. SONIA Yes. ALICE He sexually assaults a maser, to get her out of the room. And then goes, okay, I'm now gonna wage psychological warfare against one Greek man. By doing a series of prank phone calls.
Starting point is 00:15:14 Something which was missing in the sort of, like, modern remakes, you know, you don't get a bit where Brad Pitt does a bunch of, like, crank phone calls. You know the assembling the team sequence? This is the assembling theling the Team act. Yeah. It goes on for about an hour and a half. It's a very big dick energy to keep yanking the chain of a guy who's trying to give you a job.
Starting point is 00:15:33 He's trying to get you paid like a million bucks. Like, I hate this guy and I don't respect him, because he doesn't do any crimes himself. We see the crew kind of getting put together, one of the guys is Dean Martin. ALICE Introduced doing racist stuff to an airport concierge as well. RILEY Yes, yeah, there's a lot of that. ALICE Well, start as you intend to go on. ALICE The way in which he does that though is that
Starting point is 00:15:58 he pulls him up for inspection like a troop, and this is where we get to the other thing about these guys. Which is, they never, ever, ever, shut the fuck up about having been in World War Two. RILEY They were in the war, I don't know if you're aware of this, they were paratroopers? They were in the 82nd Airborne. You'll know about it. ALICE This is really funny because if you ever read about any of the historical people who were in World War Two, almost universally, like, as a generational thing, did not talk about it. Like, almost universally, like, as a generational thing, did not talk about it. Like, George McGovern, when he ran for President, was like
Starting point is 00:16:31 a legitimate war hero, never campaigned on it, never mentioned it, never even thought to, right? RILEY Wow. ALICE Meanwhile, all of these guys are like, yeah, when I was in, uh, like, the war, which I was really good at, by the way. Yeah, which we won. Thanks to me. You're welcome!
Starting point is 00:16:49 Thank you, you're welcome for my service, actually. Oh, got up and noticed you're talking to me in English! Interesting. Guten tag! Oh, no, sorry, we actually won! Thanks to me and my boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we did cool sexy singing at the Nazis and they couldn't deal with it. But they're putting the team together, and they're like, oh, we're gonna do it, we're
Starting point is 00:17:03 gonna do it, we're gonna do it, we're gonna do it, we're gonna do it, we're gonna do it, we're gonna do it, we're gonna do it, we're gonna do it, we're Yeah, yeah, we did cool sexy singing at the Nazis and they couldn't deal with it. But they're putting the team together and we learn that one of the key guys, the electrician, master electrician, is in San Quentin. Ah, damn, wouldn't you know it. And so they find out though, oh, but he's getting out tomorrow, conveniently. God, that's so good, yeah. We find this out through an extended bit where one of the Rat Pack, I forget which one, I write down they don't make guys with
Starting point is 00:17:30 faces like this anymore, but then I also don't remember his name, so it doesn't really... RILEY Well, they made one guy with a face like this, but they made him ten times! RILEY I can't agree with you on this one, this guy has a very unique face, in that it's the weirdest one. ALICE It is weird. It is weird. RILEY Yeah. Shm weird. It is weird. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:45 He does this... Schmank Schminatria. Schmank Schminatria does this whole detective bit where he, like, finds the guy's wife, and then finds out he's in jail, and then finds out he's getting out of jail. Yeah. Mmhm. One of the other guys that we're recruiting is in Arizona, he's in a burlesque bar, there's a lady on stage who has a snake around her shoulders
Starting point is 00:18:06 who's dancing, might not say this shit got your grandpa hard as hell. ALICE Yeah. Because she's not really, she's sort of just like a girl in a conical golden bikini sort of holding a snake above her head, like she's just hit a PR cleanin' jerk. Like not really dancing, just sort of... ALICE By the way, by the way, that woman's stage name is Honeyface. The woman who was on before her, her stage
Starting point is 00:18:26 name is Lolita. So, I don't know what the hell kind of establishment we're in. Going on, out there, man. Sinatra and Foster are at the bar, and this is Frank Sinatra in his, like, imagined own best element. He's like, you know, leaning on the bar, he's in a sharp suit, he still looks like a cunt. He looks terrible. ALICE Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:46 Yeah. Yeah. And then we get the most, like, why I order ass fight scene. This is like the traditional white boy martial arts, this is like, this is like historical European American martial arts, in that it's a bunch of guys grabbing each other by the shirt collar and doing like a wild right hook. Yeah, cause they try to recruit Vince, who's the MC of this bar, and they also make allusion
Starting point is 00:19:13 to the fact that, oh, remember when we tried to steal all those gold bars in Iran during the war, George Clooney furiously making notes for Three Kings, and then he says, oh no, I gotta support my wife, and he's like, oh where where is she? He's like, that's her on stage. DARREN Yeah, like someone cat calls her, and he's like, I'm gonna start fucking fighting. ALICE The lecherous cowboy. So like, dark twins, the kindly cowboy that we see later, is like, nice snake, does the pussy match or whatever. And this guy dives in, he's like, ooooh. That pussy also have scales and he just gets Uncle Chubb.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Heavy attack, heavy attack, Uncle Chubb. Immediately starts doing the kind of punches where you like, hold them by the collar and swing your arm in a circle to charge it up. I think if they still did that, that might work. We don't know. Maybe that's a lost technology. If Mike Tyson tried that shit, you know, he might've been looking at a dead Logan Paul right now. Logan Paul was like hit through a Logan Paul shaped hole in the ceiling. Charging up Mike Tyson as his corner man in the like ninth round with like go out there and hit him with a Y.I. order. Yeah, get him at the uncle chop, like, I'll never see it coming, you gotta get behind him.
Starting point is 00:20:28 But they start this bar rule, just, then we get this, cause there's a lot of bizarre 50s, 60s dialogue here, where they say, right, come on Vince, you gotta get in on the plan, and he's like, yeah, okay, cool, he goes, aw, shucks, Danny. And then Frank Sinatra says, hey, cut out the gunsmoke dialogue. It's like, oh fuck. And now they don't. Do they not? When did... I don't know what that is!
Starting point is 00:20:51 What the fuck does that mean, dog? They're stumbling out of the bar, and like, Frank Sinatra's got a shirt collar all messed up from having thrown like, 50 right hooks, and that's also like a traditional moment, you know? This shit got your grandma hard as hell. ALICE Yeah, yeah, for real. Incidentally, one of the lines when they're trying to persuade the guy before the fight starts is, um, Foster says, uh, you know I only lie to girls.
Starting point is 00:21:17 Which establishes one of the subsidiary themes of the movie, which is that women are not human. Um, just in case you were wondering, the ruling is in, and we're not, apparently. Yeah, the big needle on the wall is pointing to no, still. Women are a kind of horse? Yes. This gets, well, some of you are, this gets reinforced at the end of this scene where Vince is like, what am I going to tell my wife? And they're like, yeah, tell your lover, that'll hold her off for a couple of weeks.
Starting point is 00:21:43 Yeah. Great. Great. Sure. Real lion shit. The moment early on when they're speaking to the electrician's wife, and then she's telling him, oh he's in prison and so on, they just cut away from her, like, mid-sentence? Whatever. Don't care. Yeah, just like, fades down woman, mid-conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just fade her out of the mix.
Starting point is 00:22:05 I'm like, that's so, like, I've never seen an editor be rude to a woman. Like the Bo Peep hook, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Just being like, oh yeah, it's crazy. He really like, you know, he was in prison and it was really traumatic for me. And it cuts across to like Frank Sinatra like rigging. The editing of this movie is misogynistic.
Starting point is 00:22:25 Yeah, for real. So good. We see the electrician has just got out of San Quentin, he's out of prison, he goes to see his kid who's in military school. Yeah, this is so fu- military academy. The existence of military academies is so fucked up. Like I thought the cadets were bad. We were- this is like, we made-
Starting point is 00:22:46 They fucked this kid's hair color bad too. We made this, like, six-year-old think he's a troupe and, like, call his dad sir? That is so fucked up to me by American parents, when they call their, like, parents sir. Like, do you call your mom ma'am? Yeah. Yeah. No. Gross. It was- it's so funny. They do that in fucking Avatar, right? Like I saw Avatar 2 like two years ago or whatever, and like the whole time Jake Sully's
Starting point is 00:23:09 kid is calling him sir, and it just feels so out of place. But like it didn't when it came, when the first one came out in the 2000s, like it's just so weird how fast we've shifted on these kind of things. To me if you call your dad sir, that's freak shit, you know? Oh it's freak shit, let's not get, we're going to be wrong here. You're supposed to call women you're dating sir, let's be absolutely clear about that. Well so this kind of tells me that your dad must be pretty fucking insecure. I think if I called my father sir he'd be like, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:23:35 That's insane. Anyway, so he talks to his son... Who is in military school because his dad has been to prison, and his parents have gotten divorced, right, and his mom is trying to make a break from the criminal lifestyle or whatever that, y'know, he's exposing their son to. We might've found our reasons for that if we bothered listening to it early on. Yeah, who knows. And so the kid's like, here, I made you this Chinese abacus, or, like, Japanese abacus,
Starting point is 00:24:08 because I love you. He gets out of the thing, is immediately confronted by, like, Schmank Schminatra, who's like, what's that sort of object you're holding, and he goes, it's a Japanese abacus, which my son gave me because he loves me, and he doesn't want me to do crime. ALICE Yeah. RILEY Yeah. And the guy's like, oh, well, this is a really awkward man, but actually I've got a crime I've really wanted to do.
Starting point is 00:24:33 ALICE I'm pretty certain one of the things he says to him at this point is, it's fun time, Jimmy Boy, which I... What? Don't say that shit to me. RILEY Yeah, it's fun time, Jimmy Boy. Let's go. ALICE Don't say that shit to me, ever. What is it? RI to me, ever.
Starting point is 00:24:45 What is it? So we need you, you're the master electrician, we need you, to do some wiring and help us do crimes. And he's like, no, you know what, I just got out of prison yesterday, I don't wanna risk it, I got a family now, besides, you don't want me, I'm bad luck. Yeah, I gotta go to this doctor's appointment now. I convinced myself last time I was doing this for my wife, and you know, we broke up because I got caught, I can't do it, and then immediately he goes to the doctor's appointment, like,
Starting point is 00:25:10 you have cancer, but we'll kill you at the end of this movie, and he goes, oh shit, okay. So the way that he expresses this is the one time the Michael Ring-a-ding dialogue pays off, it's really funny for me, he's looking at the scans and the doctor's like, mm, I don't know, seems pretty bad, and he asks, is it the big casino? Which... LORENZO Hell yeah, man. GARETH Yeah, man. ALICE Yeah, I mean, that's the part of the movie. Five of them, actually. LORENZO Five big casinos.
Starting point is 00:25:36 ALICE Yeah, and so the doctor is like, yeah, you've got stage four big casino, of the Prostate or whatever. It's Jovo. GARETH Yeah. GARETH What are the odds? Yeah, not good. And so this is a sort of classic example of the heist. When you gamble, cancer always wins. Yeah, the cancer advantage. But like, as we've seen in a lot of these heist movies, one of the classic ways of introducing a guy is being like, nah, I don't want to do crimes, I'm straight now. You know, experiences minor inconvenience, I'm back to the heist.
Starting point is 00:26:09 I'm gay again. I'm thinking I'm back, yeah. I mean, like, you can do this more or less thoughtfully, like, I think hate was an interesting thing to start with, because I think it's an example of doing that relatively well. This is, this is like, my next thing on the calendar was finding out about the big casino and immediately going back to the heist. He's like, brother, you are Ocean's 5 out of 11. Get your fucking scenes done, we gotta go to Sammy Davis Jr., alright?
Starting point is 00:26:36 The worst part about this is we're not in a hurry. This is a leisurely movie. We are! It's a two hour movie! Two hour ten minutes! It is edited and acted and directed leisurely. And this guy is still like, one scene, I will never do crimes. Two scene, big casino. Three scene, I love crimes. Guess it's time to do crimes again. Would it put my kid through college?
Starting point is 00:26:56 And they're like, yeah, probably man. Just like, visibly not giving a fuck. Yeah, it's like, it's 1960. College costs like $10. Like you can put your kid through college with the shit I find down the back of the couch. You can pawn off that abacus. You have the fuckin' GI bill or something, I don't know, like, shut the fuck up, don't
Starting point is 00:27:14 talk to me. But now we need to cut to a performer who's actually got some fuckin' sauce. At this point my notes literally just say, where is Sammy Davis Jr. where is Sammy Davis Jr. And he cuts, there he is, baby! And he's singing. ALICE He's singing for the, like, garbage man, because he too is a garbage man.
Starting point is 00:27:31 RILEY The Swingin' Bin Man! ALICE He's a Swingin' Bin Man! And the one thing I will say, of the rap hack, Sammy Davis Jr., best singer I knew, best actor I didn't, but he manages both by, like, a country mile. RILEY Yes, he's the best singer, he's the best actor. He's also the most attractive person in the movie. Oh sure. Yes, 100%.
Starting point is 00:27:49 He also fits one of my favorite things ever, which is when someone is named after their dad but gets way more famous. Like just so funny. Yeah, show it to Sammy Davis Sr., you know, whatever he was doing. He was a great Charleston dancer, like, you know, they started out performing together. Huh. He just like, whoop! Oh hell yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:05 Being surpassed by your own junior. He Michael Jackson did? Yeah. Also, watching this movie was- Not the whole way though. ...prompted me to then go and look some things up and just research a little bit about it, and I found out something about it is, I've been laboring under the mistaken belief for many many years that Sammy Davis Jr. was gay.
Starting point is 00:28:23 What? No! Which he is not. No, this guy's not gay. He's emphatically not gay, apparently. MARK Which he is not. Famously not gay. ALICE Famously, famous for fucking other men's wives, in fact. MARK Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. MARK I mean, look at him, yeah yeah yeah. ALICE So it's sort of a core competency of the Rat Pack, to be clear, but like, even so.
Starting point is 00:28:39 MARK Yeah. Also got in a lot of trouble because he dated a few white women, which at the time was still illegal in many parts. ALICE Yeah. MARK Yeah. MARK And it nearly got himself killed over this. But there's just something about the way that he moves, the way that he is, I was just like, oh, he's like, a little bit fruity. I just, my gaydar just sees so many different things. It's baseline creep. It's baseline creep. They made men fruitier back in the day, you know? Like, back in the day, this was the straightest you could be. All of these guys were like, you know, they were in with the mob and the mob were like, I love
Starting point is 00:29:08 this guy, he's such a man's man, meanwhile Frank Sinatra is dancing in his little shoes on stage. You know, like, okay. They didn't know what gay was, you know, it was a different time. Yeah. Fucked. I could teach him. Yes! Uh, yes. But so, Sammy David Jr. has this musical number, which is really good, it's like the theme for the thing, it's called EO-11, which is apparently a craps thing, I don't know. Yes. He's used to do that. EO-7 and EO-11 sound the same, so they like overpronounce 11 to make it clearer.
Starting point is 00:29:41 When they count out. Yeah. Like in Bingo, where you give all the numbers little names? Yeah. And we got a bit of a... Two fat ladies! A line where we acknowledge that racism exists, because Sammy Davis Jr. could have been a baseball player, but then he like, lost the eye in the war, and, y'know, the only contract they would offer him was in like, Mobile in Alabama, which was gonna be too racist.
Starting point is 00:30:05 So instead he's driving garbage trucks in Vegas. We got a good line out of- because like, all the dialogue is so dialogue. RILEY It's like lines, you know, it's nothing but shhh shhh. ALICE But so he's like, yeah, you know, when I was in the army he says, the brave ones don't come home, which I thought was cool. But there's an interesting bit of American mythology which I want to get to, right, which is that these guys are all war buddies.
Starting point is 00:30:28 They talk about a lot, they're all in the 82nd Airborne, in World War II, they, you know, they ring-a-ding-ding the shit out of Hitler, or whatever. NICCOLE- Yeah, yeah. Ring-a-ding-dong-is-bell. You got it. ALICE- What this is doing is retrospectively desegregating the US military. It is, right? Yes!
Starting point is 00:30:47 Because Sammy Davis Jr. Give it to the old Captain America. Yeah, Sammy Davis Jr. would not have been allowed in the 82nd Airborne because he was black. Until like 1950, I think. And it's a fascinating piece of like, American myth-making to be like, not only... In the same way as like as all the Vietnam War movies instantly shifted to the Vietnam War was always wrong and everybody always knew it was wrong.
Starting point is 00:31:10 Yeah, the whole time we were like, this sucks, I hate doing the Vietnam War. Just instantly, 1960, 15 years later, 15 years after the end of the war, and you switch instantly to, oh hey, remember when we were all war buddies together in the army which wasn't racist? RILEY But it's so within living memory that your main cultural output is 11 guys from the war reminiscing about it, and you're still like, no. It wasn't segregated.
Starting point is 00:31:35 ALICE You have to like, falsify it. And it's like, this is not something that people didn't know, it's something that everybody who is like, what, older than 18 plus 15, so, like, everyone in their mid-30s is like, you can see how my brain works at mental arithmetic there, everybody older than that, they're like mid-30s, and every draftable man knew from personal experience to be like, yeah, I was in the war, and I didn't see Sammy Davis Jr. there because they segregated it. Like... LORRAINE Interesting too, that this occurs in the war, and I didn't see Sammy Davis Jr. there because they segregated it. Like... Interesting too, that this occurs in the context of a conversation in which he's talking about
Starting point is 00:32:08 oh I couldn't get a job because there is racism somewhere else in Alabama that's the result of like, ignorant southern people, but certainly not, it wouldn't be institutionalized in the army. Yeah. Yeah. Ignorant southern people, he's in Vegas. What's the fuckin' Latitude your out, brother? Talk to me. Yeah. Nevada, pretty racist remember someone, people, he's in Vegas. I'm like, what's the fuckin' Latitude you're at, brother? Talk to me.
Starting point is 00:32:26 Yeah. Nevada, pretty racist. We cut to Dean Martin, who is singing in a hotel room, and all the maids are very charmed. Yes, he is. What singer's he singing? What singer's he singing? Yeah, to which I write down, Fallout New Vegas Ass. Yep.
Starting point is 00:32:42 It is. Let me tell you, we will get about... Putting on the cat ears. We will get about six different performances of Ain't That A Kick In The Head, throughout the course of this movie, is leisurely two hours. I downloaded some mods for this movie, so like Dean Martin just has huge titties and like a latex suit. Like plastic, Dean Martin, what can... Yeah, I was watching this movie wearing like a latex catsuit, yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:09 Listen, listen, you might think, listening to this, it's a bad movie, but if you just go to Nexus Mods and you download, it's on the top 100, there's a pack of like fan-made patches that really improve the experience, they like, cut that whole conversation that desegregates the army, you know. They made Dean Martin more woke. SEGREGATION BACK IN. Don't worry. Everyone has huge titties. And so Danny's wife comes in, and says hi to Dean Martin, we surmise that they are estranged. And Dean Martin has got her to come over by calling her workplace and saying that Dani's dying. She's like, I didn't believe it, but I came over and it
Starting point is 00:33:50 was live. Just crank calls. They love a crank call. I mean, phones just got invented five minutes ago. The first thing you're gonna do is crank call someone, right? Like fucking, like radio one in the morning. That was the second one. Yeah. So Dean Martin is like, you know, I just, uh, you know, I feel like this is a mother situation.
Starting point is 00:34:07 Which, okay. And she gets a surprisingly hard line, which is, I will consider mistress, plaything, toy for a night, but I'm not your mother. Which... Pretty good. Don't kink, Joan, the guy. Um. And she's, and Dean Martin's...
Starting point is 00:34:22 Yeah. Yeah. He's like, do you want to get back together with, with Frank Sinatra, with Danny Ocean? And she's like, no, I don't want to. Like it was a real holiday romance. Like he's gambling, it's easy breezy money. It's great when he's up, but it sucks when he's down. I've got one of the lines. Yeah. I've got a clip for it. I knew you were both up on cloud nine, but I didn't think it got boring up there. Boring? No. I just woke up one morning and realized there was nothing underneath us but thin air.
Starting point is 00:34:47 Mm. That's where they play around with maybe giving a woman a character for a bit. It's interesting, it acknowledges that sometimes for a gambler winning is worse, because you like, stay up. I do also note here that the reason why I mention all the mother bit is because Dean Martin then goes, no no no, you don't understand. I'm the mother. And then she calls him mother for the rest of this conversation.
Starting point is 00:35:12 Which again, they didn't know what being gay was. Dean Martin didn't know that he was mother. At least not in the way they... I'm looking at Dean Martin right now trying to decide if he's mother. Maybe? I think he could have been mother. Is mother mothering? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:35:26 Anyway, she and Danny meet and he says, look, pack your bags, we're about to be rich. And she's like, I've heard that before. You know, and he says, no, come on, I'm trying to take care of you. I love you. Like, I'm trying to make you a good offer here. I'll take care of you. She has a good line where she says, you're the only husband in the world who would proposition his own wife.
Starting point is 00:35:46 Which I thought was cute. The whole time they're in the elevator having this conversation, the elevator running guy is just stood there behind him. If Twitter had been invented... That's happening every day at work if you're the fuckin' elevator guy at a fancy hotel. Yeah, you're doing the posts about it. I mean, yeah. Operator girl, so.
Starting point is 00:36:06 But so, she like, reads him correctly, she's like, no, you don't love me, you love danger, right? And you just wanna like, do adventure stuff with your boys. And even though, like, Dean Martin is trying to mother you out of this, and get you to settle down, you just love this. And then we get a sequence which I can only describe as tough Sinatra. Where he's like, listen, human nature is immutable, baby. It's like, we all get the hand word dealt and mine was piece of shit and so by asking
Starting point is 00:36:39 me to stop being a piece of shit you're actually being ableist. Or whatever. Yeah. The movie's swellin' here as well, it's like, huh? being a piece of shit you're actually being ableist, or whatever. Yeah. Um. The movie's swellin' here as well, it's like, huh? It is, Polychrom! Woke language Frank Sinatra is like a million times worse. You should never have taught Frank Sinara fucking like therapy talk, cuz.
Starting point is 00:36:57 Therapy language? Yeah, you went to one therapy session and weaponized all the dialogue. Frank Sinatra accusing you of gaslighting him. Yeah. Whoa, listen now, baby doll. Gaslight me over here. You're so unreasonable! You were so hot, now you're so cold, you gaslight me!
Starting point is 00:37:14 So, meanwhile Foster goes back to see his, uh, like, extremely... He calls his extremely rich mum, right, for money. Love this character. She's, she, yeah, she's like Rosalind Russell, she's fucking great. And we surmise that he is like, extremely rich, has been like, kind of dining out on like, family wealth, and just gets more whenever he needs it, but is bored by this and like, can't stand it. He's such a fucking pussy dude.
Starting point is 00:37:43 Yeah, he like, rings her up and asks for money, it's great. Yeah, He's such a fucking pussy dude. Yeah. He like rings her up and asks for money. It's great. Yeah. Such a pussy dog. Hey, can I have some money? And she's like, yeah, sure. She doesn't make him feel bad. She doesn't even say anything. She's like, okay, sure. See, see you when I see you. And then the whole next immediately to his voice and after he's like, oh, you don't understand this bitch. She's fuckin'... Oh, it's exhausting! RILEY She wouldn't let me out of her sight when I was growing up. Come on, man. ALICE It was difficult, yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:11 RILEY Yeah, he said, after the war I tried to take a break from her, but plenty of money is a hard habit to kick. Oh, poor Diddum. He's the rich white guy having a rough time. ALICE Aww, is your mom giving you so much money? ALICE Sammy Davis Jr. is posting the, like, sort of, bottom of the pool in the, in this, like, lawn chair meme, you know? Um, at this point, Dani's girlfriend arrives?
Starting point is 00:38:35 Yes. In leopard print? And, like, she arrives to chew him out, and he's like, when he, she's like, when are you gonna leave your wife? He's like, he fucking destroys her. This is Adele. He's just like, you know, I'm holding you accountable, I'm calling you in, you're really toxic, I'm setting a boundary here because you're traumatizing me. ALICE Well to be clear, the actual argument she's
Starting point is 00:38:58 making is, you are cheating on me. SONIA Yes, with your wife. ALICE You've dumped me and you're cheating on me with your wife. And his response is, you're a slut whose opinion I don't value and has no sexual morals. The actual line he says is, I had nothing better to do. Jesus Christ. Again, people loved Frank Sinatra for this shit. Yeah, I know. This is his character.
Starting point is 00:39:21 It's like, menacing. It reads menacing now, you know? It's not just gross, but like, actively threatening. He doesn't hit her the way that Sean Connery would in this scene, but like, it is disgusting to see. And she gets very very angry with him, she vows revenge and smashes an ashtray, and all of his boys are just like, oh, dames! Yeah. It's weird how they all make that noise in unison as well.
Starting point is 00:39:45 Yeah, yeah. What, they're all just clones of him? Yeah. I guess I'll just sit around with my, like, five clones. Yeah. Or just saying ring-a-ding-ding back and forth at each other. Like that fucking one vault in Fallout that's just full of clones. Oh, like, Gary!
Starting point is 00:40:02 Opens the door of the Sinatra Suite, youARING RING-A-DING-DING BACK IN FRONT, which would be like, five different people. You just close it again. RILEY Then they go for their biggest prank on this guy, which they're still, by the way, they're still just pranking a guy, that's what's happening so far in the plot. SONIA Yeah, Sabos, yeah. ALICE I love Sabos, like, he's genuinely, every time
Starting point is 00:40:23 he receives bad news or is pranked, he acts like he's been shot. It's great. And the whole time he's like, why don't these guys respect me? I just want them to respect me, you know? It's heartbreaking. And of course they never will. There's one more character that we need to introduce before we actually start doing the
Starting point is 00:40:41 planning, the heist. Which is that Jimmy goes to see his mom, who also has the line, a woman loves to be needed, Jimmy. Okay. And we have to meet Jimmy's new stepfather, Cesar Romero. Cesar fucking Romero! The Joker himself! The goddamn Joker!
Starting point is 00:40:57 He's fantastic in this. He is incredible in this film. He walks away with this movie. He's playing the new, this new stepfather, Duke Santos. And the implication, not even an implication, they flat out stated, is like, this is a mobster who is trying to go legitimate. Right? Like, he's been wanted by the FBI, he has like, y'know, no legitimate means, and he's kind of using, like, Foster's mum
Starting point is 00:41:30 to kind of provide a leg up in society. However, he does, like, effortlessly humiliate Foster as soon as he's back. LARISSA Yeah, he just sees him off. Unbelievable. ALICE Like, they have this conversation which is, genuinely, Foster's meant to be the kind of likeable one in it, and yet the thrust is, man, it's great to be born rich, unlike you, a criminal. Like, this shit would've radicalized me, I would've joined the American Communist Party and then immediately gotten blacklisted over this.
Starting point is 00:42:01 Like, this shit had me in Dalton Trumbo mode, this piece of shit being like, oh yeah, it's way easier to be born rich, you know? It's like, yeah, probably. DG Yeah, it's actually, you should try that. Give that a go next time, pal. Whatever, I'm marrying your mum, I don't care. ALICE Yeah, Duke Santos has this kind of, like, very pleased affect, you know, he laughs it off. RILEY Yeah. Well he gets to do the genuine, like, I'm gonna fuck your mum.
Starting point is 00:42:29 ALICE He does! RILEY Which is like, not often you get to do that for real! RILEY Yeah, there's nothing you can say to me, pal. I'm gonna go fuck your mum now. Just, fuck, fuck! ALICE Yeah, he's got nothing. RILEY Don't miss the wedding!
Starting point is 00:42:44 RILEY Yes. But then we have to finally stop putting this fucking heist together. Yeah, they prank this fella, oh what's his goddamn name? Assebus? Assebus, that's the one. Assebus, yeah. Spiros Assebus. Yeah, they prank him, they ring him up and they're like, there's been an accident, and like, we're the cops.
Starting point is 00:43:00 Mom, Dad, Bard's dead. There are three people that are dead, and then she describes them, and like, he's like, no, nooo! ALICE He's genuinely heartbroken for a man who has been nothing but a cunt to him. RILEY Yeah. He's like, sat on the, like, the deck in front of a pool taking this call, just, he runs out to get in the car, and the taxi that pulls up has the three of them in the back, and they're like, ehhh, dickhead.
Starting point is 00:43:25 ALICE That house, by the way, that amazing house with the pool belonged to an agent. ALICE Agents used to get paid that kind of money. ALICE The industry used to be a very different place, and also affiliated with the mob. ALICE We should also observe a Saber's like, Asian butler who gets... RILEY He does have an Asian butler.
Starting point is 00:43:43 ALICE Two lines and a thick accent. Just so we know. NICCOLE Yeah. He's treated like shit and this is a punting comedy. So they're having this meeting to plan the heist to save us his dress, cause... ALICE They take ages to get there, they're missing a guy, this is largely an excuse to get some more Rat Pack bits in. What would you do with the money being one
Starting point is 00:44:06 prompt? RILEY Boths! ALICE Yeah, what if his answer is, go into politics, become president, repeal the 14th and 20th Amendments to make women slaves? RILEY That's funny. The 20th Amendment's funny. RILEY Enslaved women is the quote. RILEY Yeah, enslaved women is one of them. ALICE Isn't everyone the human pet guy?
Starting point is 00:44:26 ...flying out the Miss Universe contest, at all the parades and all that jazz, and just sit around and talk to the girls one by one, find out how things are in Sweden. Nice. Yeah, fair enough. So on the one hand we've got a human pet guy, on the other hand we've got Sinatra trying to do like the United Nations of Miss Universe, which is... Yes. Yeah. That's the funniest possible way
Starting point is 00:44:47 to like, for that to be the ideology that conquers everything, like aliens get to earth and our ideology is you have to look and dress exactly like Frank Sinatra or be a dame and the world is governed in a kind of like Miss Universe or Miss World type situation. Yeah. The synthesis of these positions of like enslaved enslaved women and Miss Universe, is just Donald Trump realizing it. Pretty much. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:11 I mean, like, the predictive power of the rap act. You're either Frank Sinatra or you're a dame. They talk about like, enslaving people, they say this in front of Sammy Davis Jr. Just like, what? No reaction. No reaction. He's chill with it. We're also like, we're gonna steal everything from indigenous people, we're gonna take all
Starting point is 00:45:28 the land and just fuck them. That is also a thing they mention is like, you're becoming commissioner of Indian affairs because the opportunities for embezzlement are so good. Yeah. At this point, at long last, the doorbell rings and Spiros goes out to answer it to find a leather jacket wearing cop and a cowboy and I'm like where are the construction workers? Yes!
Starting point is 00:45:48 Let's go! Finally we're getting interesting! Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, someone's been planning crimes like a naughty boy. Yeah, that's just how cops dressed. They were fully wearing the YMCA fit until they realized it was gay. They got the one gay cop on the force and he told them about Tom of Finland and the village people, and they're like...
Starting point is 00:46:09 They're like, oh what the fuck? It's precinct night every night. We gotta start wearing fucking polyester. They found out about precinct night and they're like, huh, interesting. It was precinct night every night. Yeah. Um, yes, but the cop is only there to be like, we found this drunk ass cowboy and he said he was coming here.
Starting point is 00:46:28 Do you know him? He's like, my name is Bentley, man, from Fort Worth, that's in Texas. Get out of my fucking bathroom. I love that fucking guy. He's drunk, um, and then they let him in, and he's also got like a broken arm. This also turns out to be a bit... He's just like, yeah, he's faking the broken arm to fuck with, so it's like, gain. Just cool.
Starting point is 00:46:51 I'm never missing an opportunity to fuck with this guy. Finally, we get a briefing on the heist, and they go, right, we're gonna rob five casinos in Las Vegas, all on the same night, New Year's Eve. There's an interesting, a couple of interesting things here. First of all, the fact that it's like, because they're all troops, it's all militarized, right? So Foster is the lieutenant, and it's interesting to make Danny Ocean Sinatra as sergeant as
Starting point is 00:47:16 well, different cultural valence back in the day. Especially draft military. SEAN Yeah, they call it commander now instead. ALICE It's also, it's an advertisement for Las Vegas, right? Because what they do is they go, here are all the casinos that there are, an easy walking distance, here's their colorful logos. Yes. They're all real, by the way. Yeah. Now, this is going to be really difficult because no one with a criminal record can get within a mile of Las Vegas, which is one of the funniest things you can say about Las Vegas in 1960, is to be like, this town's on the up and up, baby.
Starting point is 00:47:50 That's the cleanest town in the fucking America. No mob affiliation here, no sir. We got Frank Sinatra to approve it. Certainly nobody in this room would actually do a deal with the mob of Las Vegas. Sammy Davis Jr. Don't worry. It's fine. I love it. They go to the casinos after they all kind of look just like a big Tesco like dismal fucking shit. This is a place of fun. In the question where they're asking about why that one of them asks one of them who fucking knows asks why why is why like paratroopers,
Starting point is 00:48:25 and we get a beautiful construction here. Just for curiosity, how did you figure this is a job for old paratroopers? Why didn't you just get some regular heist guys? Now I love the idea of regular heist guys. Oh yeah. I'm thinking about the regular heist guys. Munchpale heist guy? The guy who's known for doing heists.
Starting point is 00:48:43 I like clock in, I do my heist, I clock off again. Like, yeah, absolutely. Workaday heist guy? The guy who's known for doing heists. I like, clock in, I do my heist, I clock off again? Like, yeah, absolutely. Workaday heist guys. Oh, you know, you love to see them in these... Get a couple of boys in. Yeah, you know, these days, you know, there's too much theatrics around a heist, but you know. Yeah, truly.
Starting point is 00:48:57 So the plan is, we're gonna knock out a pylon, which is gonna black out the whole town, right after they're done singing Old Lang Syne at just past midnight. Yeah. Now, all the casinos have auxiliary generators, which means that the lights are going to come back on and the door to the cash cage is going to snap shut. But our electrician guy, Mr. Cancer,
Starting point is 00:49:18 he's going to redo the wiring. So it does the opposite. So the lights are going to stay off, but the doors swing open. We walk in, we take the cash, we walk out, nobody sees us. The whole time it's blacked out. Turns back on. No one leaves. Incredibly simple plan. And so the way that they begin implementing this, so they all go to Vegas, and then we got some kind of... Oh, sorry. And just to finish it out, they don't take the money out when they leave,
Starting point is 00:49:44 they're gonna leave it in, like, the bins out back, and Sammy Davis Jr., the fucking garbage man, will pick them up. Yeah. Remember when the bin man was swinging? Oh, the bin man. He's gonna come by, he's gonna pick up the garbage bins? Full cash, baby. A foolproof plan.
Starting point is 00:49:57 Quite honestly, if you asked me if I wanted to get on in this, I'd be like, oh shit, okay. Well, apparently when they showed Frank Snodra the script, he said, forget the movie, let's do the heist. Yeah, for real. For real. Oh damn. But so, the first step of this plan involves insanely radioactive shoes. Because what they've done is they've gotten, like, you know, eleven pairs of black wingtips, ring a ding, and painted the souls with 1960s glow in the dark paint, which is, I imagine, made of...
Starting point is 00:50:25 RILEY Pure radium. Just rubbing a big rock of it against your shoe. RILEY Those footprints are still there today. ALICE It's like the concrete, you know, there's certain bits of the MGM ground you can't step on. RILEY Yeah. Tony's developing casino, big casino too. ALICE That's why they call it the big casino!
Starting point is 00:50:46 Yeah! So, so, so they walk into each of these places, and then surreptitiously spray an aerosol can of the fucking cancer paint around the door handle so that you can find it in the dark. You can see it with your infrared glasses in the dark, right? LIAM Yeah, woah. ALICE They do that about five hundred times.
Starting point is 00:51:12 ALICE Yes. There is one piece of interest here, which is there is a shot of one of the guys spraying a door handle next to a guard that looks a lot like he's reaching for the casino guard's service weapon, which is now a new intrusive thought. They ask how it's going, and one of them says, like, tulips and July mac? Which, again, all of the dialogue is like this. Cool, okay.
Starting point is 00:51:38 Baffling. Yeah, how are the sands smooth and level? Great work everyone, thank you. Yeah. There's a guy here called Red Skeleton. Okay, I respect not knowing who Red Skeleton is. Liza Minnelli was a step too far for me, but like, that's fine. Red Skeleton, fine. We get another stage performance because like, we don't want you to forget these guys are also all famous entertainers, and so, you get some more Dean Martin.
Starting point is 00:52:12 Who is Red Skeleton? We get this scene with Frank Sinatra and Red Skeleton, who I'm guessing is some kind of like, haunted pirate, who has a cameo? He was just a different... no, red skeleton. Red... red... he thought Captain America. Like, what do you want me to say? BOTH Okay, okay. ALICE Some kind of 1960s Blobbo has a cameo, your grandpa's heart is howling out. GARETH No, you were supposed to look at him at the
Starting point is 00:52:39 time and be like, woah! But like, it doesn't hit at all now. ALICE That's red skeleton! GARETH Oh shit, that's red skeleton. ALICE We get such diminishing returns. If you don't know or care who these people are, because you're onto the like, I've gotten a lot from him being called red skeleton. To be honest with you, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:52:53 I barely know who Dean Martin is. You get the third reprise of, ain't that a kick in the head to like a diminishing audience. It was still early on the second, I'm afraid. It feels like the film remini, like it's's grim out there. Dean Martin's doing this this act to kind of like, you know, as as the boys are like marking up the door with the radioactive paint and that he's got a band with him and the xylophone guys going way too hard on the side of that. He's fucking loving it. Yeah. That's also a named guy. He's got a credit on the sign outside. WILL Really? ALICE Oh god.
Starting point is 00:53:25 WILL The blue skeleton? ALICE It's a guy, I guess so. So at this point, Danny Ocean has told his wife and his, you know, and whoever else, that he's out of town. WILL Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, Jimmy's informed his mum that he's in, like, skiing or whatever. ALICE Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so Adele, the woman who threw the plate at him earlier, sees him on the floor of the casino as they're doing the paint thing, and goes, I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell your
Starting point is 00:53:53 wife, I'm gonna tell your wife that you're in Vegas. SONIA She's like, what are you doing here, you must be up to some sort of shady business. And he charms her, and he does a thing which is incredibly hot, which you sadly can't do anymore because of modern times, which is he charms her and he gives her his room key. ALICE Yeah, you can't do that with a little, like, you know, wooden card. RILEY You can't be like, here's my little card.
Starting point is 00:54:13 SONIA You can't do that with a little key card anymore. Which is a real shame, you can't just give someone your hotel room key as a little like, see you later. RILEY Oh, here's my... hey, if you wanna be somewhere, here's my Travelodge card. ALICE But bust out the flip of zero and clone your hotel keycard, you know? She immediately calls his wife, which is so fucking cuntiq. This is my favorite exchange of the movie.
Starting point is 00:54:36 She calls his wife immediately. This is so funny, yeah. Hey, I've just seen Danny Ocean in Las Vegas and he tried to fuck me, thought you might wanna know! Cause she's just, she's a committed hater. Yeah, absolutely. No sale. No sale.
Starting point is 00:54:49 Oh my god. Because his wife is like, uh, listen, I don't talk to sluts, essentially. The line she has is just, that's funny, I was told creatures like you always rattled before they struck, I didn't hear a thing. Devastating! So good! Yeah, fantastic. She's telling the truth. Like... Yeah! But even though she is, she's like, I don't give a shit, you're a little slut, I don't care, just fuck off. She's right or dying.
Starting point is 00:55:18 Two divas talking past each other on the phone, just not in the same conversation. She's like, she plans to get back at Danny Ocean some other way, and she throws the room key away. They plant the explosives on the pylon, and they gotta get into all of these electricity cabinets, which also takes forever, involves a lot of the same shots of guys getting into casinos. This is one of those, again, I just watched this and I'm like, man, you could do any crime back in the day, huh?
Starting point is 00:55:45 As long as no one saw you do it, you're basically ace. They hadn't invented security cameras. ALICE They get interrupted by a very drunk woman, who has a line, she says, I'm so drunk I don't think I could lie down without holding on. Which is kind of cute. And Dean Martin has to kind of seduce her out of the way. Yeah. Well, actually she snogs him. He goes up to her and is like, Hey, let's come over here and don't look at the guy committing the crime. And then she snogs him. My notes
Starting point is 00:56:14 say Queen. Yeah. And he dumps her. He leaves. And yeah, anyway, finally we get to midnight New Year's Eve. Midnight New Year's Eve, baby. We get this really fun sequence of shots in all the casinos, five casinos at the same time where people are counting down, and then like a balloon comes over the lens and then we cut to a different casino and we do like a little, it's a nice little like, put a flare. It's cool. I like it. They're all so nervous, like it's really good. And then like we get old Langsine, the fireworks go go off the fucking pylon comes down everything cuts to black yeah they
Starting point is 00:56:50 kick in they do it they do the heist the the robbery here is i mean it's filmed in the dark for one yes like you do this now you do like very tactical like night vision goggles or something like that but what what this ultimately is is like, Dean Martin putting a guy in a chokehold and making him sing Auld Lang Syne? Yeah, cause like, what they've basically... The weirdest king. They've correctly assessed that like, they just finished singing Auld Lang Syne, there's a power cut, everyone's in too good a mood for New Year's, they'll just keep singing Auld Lang Syne.
Starting point is 00:57:19 So they're like, at gunpoint, just be like, sing Auld Lang Syne, just keep singing. What if you don't know the words? Yeah. I don't think they have guns. you don't know the words? SONIA Yeah. I don't think they have gods. RILEY I don't know the words. ALICE Do they? RILEY Yeah, you go, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
Starting point is 00:57:30 uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh walking out, he's like, we've got away clean, and in that moment the big casino gets him. Yes!
Starting point is 00:57:52 He dies of cancer in the middle of the crosswalk. You would hate to just eat shit, hit the ground. He's one hit point, it's over. EW! Like... Time for you to cash out at the big casino. For real. So now Trish sees this and he comes over and he's like, is somebody gonna help him?
Starting point is 00:58:14 Call an ambulance and detect for cop who has got there first is like, I mean, yeah, he can if you want. This guy's fucking dead though. Yeah, you can call an ambulance man. He's gone. This is not doing anything. Like, this guy died. He's called the fucking undertaker. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:25 Which is like, I don't think you're supposed to say that. They haven't invented medicine in the 1960s, they were like, damn, he's dead, oh well. We get a bit in this next up where Frank Sinatra is sad because as Dean Martin says, it's been a long time since he lost a man in combat. And it's like, what combat? Like what combat? You put a guy in a headlock, like that's not the same thing. It's literally like, every decade we get this movie of, I bet if the troops put a team together they could do the best heist ever. Nowadays it
Starting point is 00:59:00 usually goes straight to Netflix, it has a bunch of guys you've kind of heard of, um, and it's like, when we were like, you know, army rangers or something, you know, they taught us our skills, but then they left us for dead, and yeah, yeah, that too, and now we gotta, you know, steal something. It sucks, it sucks, and this one sucks too. Like, there is, I think, one good one, maybe, which is Three Kings, we'll get to it. But like- But they say, okay, we gotta stick to the plan. So nobody check out, nobody flee town, because it's a very suspicious thing to do. Like we didn't take the money out, they can't fucking touch us with this, just wait. Las Vegas's old timey western sheriff's office, which has two guys, is on the case, you know? It's really good. Like, you see the calls coming into the Sheriff's Office, you see
Starting point is 00:59:49 them getting more and more panicked, and then they start shutting things down, and like, Sammy Davis Jr. and his garbage truck, he's got all of the money, he comes to the roadblock and they're just like, get this fucking garbage truck out of the way, doing a roadblock here. And he just drives it away and is singing a song to himself the whole time. Beautiful. It takes it to the dump and he stashes the money in the dump. Stashes the dosh. Yeah, in the dump stash. Yeah. Heard you've been checking my dumps. When they call spirits he's so fucking happy, it's genuinely really nice.
Starting point is 01:00:19 Yeah, my honest note is they're on cloud nine. I put a smiley face in my notes. So at this point, at this point, the heads of the casinos... Yeah, the movie doesn't end. No. No, it keeps going. We have another half hour. The casino heads have to get together in a room, and they're like, uh, we're gonna have to work with the fucking mafia.
Starting point is 01:00:42 They fucked our pussies. The Las Vegas casino industry are gonna have to maybe work with a guy whose reputation is not so good. We gotta... We've never done this before. We're gonna get a guy in to investigate for us, and who do they get in but sees a fucking Romero. Hell, fucking yeah. The vengeful stepfather hits the fucking movie.
Starting point is 01:01:04 I'm so happy that this is the direction it goes in. It's also really funny because the guy who introduces him and brings him in looks exactly like a shorter Duke Santos, and then Santos takes his seat, so it's like, gentlemen, we're gonna investigate this, I've brought in my taller version of myself. Here's me. Yeah. I'm here to investigate this. We can't allow Stephen Bridges to keep counting cards in Las Vegas, it makes us look bad,
Starting point is 01:01:28 so we've got this guy in who's the Joker. Yeah, so the Joker is like, I'll take like 50% of the take, bring you back the other half. We kill the Batman. And they reluctantly make this deal, and they set him up with the Sheriff, and we see Santos in a hotel room. He has a cute thing here. This is my favorite scene between the sheriff and Santos, where neither of them know anything, and they're both trying to big dick the other person, and they're both forced to take a
Starting point is 01:01:53 call in front of each other where they go, okay, well, keep looking. It's so good. I do like that Santos' way of doing this is, he's called in all of his contacts and none of them are answering, he says to the phone operator, operator baby honey, you're wasting my time, I don't wanna hear about guys that don't answer. It's like, they don't let you do this anymore, for good reason. He's not an operator anymore, it's so fucked. A lot of the time, by the way, they're doing like reverse calls, and I didn't make a big
Starting point is 01:02:23 hay of it, but like, it's very funny to reverse a charge on the call. Their phone and 0800REVRSE together. ALICE So Duke Santos, world's greatest detective, puts this together in two scenes, right? NICOLA Yeah. Yeah. NICOLA It's so good, yeah, cause Jimmy's been seen, his wife saw Jimmy, they know Ocean's in town, he puts it together,
Starting point is 01:02:46 we see him put it together in front of Jimmy's mum. And they know the dead guy was in the 82nd Airborne. And like, he just starts laughing. He's like, ohhhh. Oh yeah, oh I see. He is having a fantastic time, he has never lost once. Crying with laughter, he's just like, holy shit. It's your boy, what the fuck you did it?
Starting point is 01:03:07 Yeah! He's a lot like, you know, he reminds me of, he reminds me of Saxon the Hale. Your mans! Reminds me of the billionaire Australian tyrant funding Team Fortress 2. He goes to see Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin, and it's like, hey, I know it's you. What's up, my name's Duke Santos. I'm Duke Santos, I'm fucking Jimmy's mom. Nice to meet you both the same guy.
Starting point is 01:03:33 I want half the loot, or I'm gonna turn you in. You've got 24 hours. He does, he gives them the kind of layer cake speech. We'll do layer cake. And one of the things he says is, how I envy your youth, and then you cut to Sinatra looking like 60 years old. Oh by the way, when he's talking about this to Foster's mum, he does favorably compare her son to Adolf Hitler, as well?
Starting point is 01:03:57 Yes. Yeah, odd. Because she's like, he had all the money he wanted, what could he do with more? And he's like, well, what did Hitler want with all of Europe? You know? Yeah. Power, baby. He did say that. Well, it's not a mystery. He did say what he wanted to do with it. Yeah, I know. It made it clear, actually. But yeah, no, like Santos just gives him the ultimatum. He's like, I know it was you, cunt. Give us half of the money or you'll
Starting point is 01:04:21 are again rumbling. By the way, I'm going to fuck this guy's mum. He says- Yeah, exactly. I'm going to- Yeah's mum. He says- Yeah, exactly! I'm gonna- Yeah, please! He goes, he goes,
Starting point is 01:04:29 What's your relationship to Jimmy Foster? I'm gonna marry his mum. And he like goes, and then closes the door behind him. He clicks his fingers in the funniest way I've ever seen. Like, with fingers spread, it's wild. God, I would fuck this man. Unbelievable. Frank Sinatra Gibson, unironic, it's wild. God, I would fuck this man. Unbelievable. Frank Sinatra Gibson, unironic, forget about it.
Starting point is 01:04:49 Cock of the war. Christ. And then they all put on blackface. Yeah, they all put on blackface. Apart from Sammy Davis Jr. Which they do make into a joke. Like if you think we're being insensitive about it, that's a joke the movie makes, is Sammy Davis Jr. looking at the rest of them putting on blackface and being like, oh I
Starting point is 01:05:08 knew this would come in handy someday. Like, you know, it's just... Right. Alright. They also get it back, because they're like, hey man, how do you get this stuff off? Why did they need to do this? It never comes up. Yeah, it doesn't like, help them in any way, they're just like, I guess garbage men are
Starting point is 01:05:26 black. They just fucking put them... It's like, what? What are you doing? Is that genuinely the veil? Oh god, it might be. No, I think it's meant to just be dirt. It could be just dirt.
Starting point is 01:05:35 I think they're making themselves look like they're covered in dirt, like garbage men. Listen, he's not Zvart P, it's soot from the chimney, right? Every one of these is racist, is a racist explanation. So anyway, they take the money out of the dumpstash, and they break into the church where the dead electrician's body is, and they stuff it into his coffin. Now, this proves to be crucial. Why? Because they're like, alright, he's gonna get shit back across, so the money will be
Starting point is 01:06:04 gone, we can pick it up when it gets over there, fine. Like, as long as the money's getting taken out of town by a legitimate mean, we should be okay. However. LX But they could've just taken it, because Duke Santos doesn't know where the money is. ZEKE No, he has no idea, they could've... I don't understand, really, what's happening. LX Clearly the plan here, clearly the move here is, kill him. Wow. Then his mum would be sad. Yeah, he's marrying his mum.
Starting point is 01:06:28 She's gonna get over a million dollars, she'll get over it. She's had four husbands already. Mm, true. This is Cesar Romero talking about. Yeah, yeah. There's also something very funny, which is Jimmy gets home, and his mum knows about the heist he's done, and is mad at him about it. Can you fucking imagine pulling off the perfect heist, and then you get home and your mom somehow knows
Starting point is 01:06:49 and is mad at you. And fuck me. So the plan is that Tony's widow will turn up and she's gonna ship the body back with all the money inside. Yeah. Crucially, that's not a plan they've informed her of. She doesn't know shit. RILEY No, they're like, she has to not know about
Starting point is 01:07:07 it. Like, plausible deniability... ALICE Wait a minute. Un-trustworthy. This isn't even discussed, it's just assumed that she's not gonna be told about it. Sammy Davis Jr. takes ten grand out of the coffin. RILEY What I'll say, this is Danny Ocean's fuckin' idea. This is not the ideas guy's idea. This is not the ideas guy's idea. And we know the ideas guy's work. It's Dean Martin's idea. Oh, it's Dean Martin!
Starting point is 01:07:30 Yeah, that's where you go. She, to be fair, she is mother, though, so I guess I would listen. Yeah. So they take ten thousand dollars out of the mother coffin to give to the... By the way, when they lift the dead guy out of it, he's completely stiff, which I really like. Like, there's a silhouette show of them lifting a completely rigid body out of the thing. But so, Sammy Davis Jr. takes ten grand out to give to her and the kid, like, to tide them over, until they can all get their, like,
Starting point is 01:08:03 share paid out. Yeah, exactly. But the boss of the funeral home talks her into having him buried here. Because he's like, well, well, well, we assume buried, because she's like, well, why expense, why spend all the money of sending him back to California when, you know, we've got dead people here? Like, come on! Yeah. You mean dead in Nevada? Hey, we've got dirt! We could put him in it, if you want. If you die in Las Vegas, you know, we've got dead people here, like, come out!" Yeah. You mean dead in Nevada.
Starting point is 01:08:25 Hey, we've got dirt! We can put him in it, if you want. If you die in Las Vegas, you die in real life. Do you want me to pretend to be him? Like, come out? I could, you know, make a grimaced face and go to prison for a while? Get in my Frank Sinatra costume? Japanese abarcus. But so, yeah, because the guys are watching the church, they know that she's changed the
Starting point is 01:08:50 plan, because a bunch of American Legion guys come in wearing their hats, and they're like, oh shit. The Legion! The Legion in Las Vegas? Oh my god. The mighty Kaiser of Greece. The Brune is furious. We gotta get back to the strip.
Starting point is 01:09:03 So, they like, infiltrate the funeral. Santos infiltrates the funeral. He's already got a source inside. Santos is in there, grinning, laughing. Yeah, because his sources told him... He puts it together and teleports. It's the weirdest thing I've found, like, the band off a thousand dollar stack of notes, in the coffin.
Starting point is 01:09:25 Yeah, like he walks into the room, and like, all of the Rat Packers sat on one pew, and they all turn around to look at him as he comes in, and he's just like, got this band between his two fingers, and they just all turn back to the front. GAMZICALLY COCKED MOVE. Incredible. And then you start to pick up a noise in the background, and one of them leans to the other, and he goes, What's that noise?
Starting point is 01:09:46 The deceased is being cremated. Verily, verily, the Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away. Cinema. Movies. You see them all, like, they all get it down the line again. Yeah. It's just, yeah, perfect. It's a good twist ending.
Starting point is 01:10:05 I love this movie actually. I throw Lumafeo like eight times with different amounts of O's. They walk away and they're kind of really bummed out, and it's kind of a downer ending. They all just sadly walk away from the funeral home. And that's the ending shot, and the end credits is the Rat Pack fucking walking sadly down the road. Or doing the fucking virgin walk away, like, aww. Ocean's 10 now, cause one of them bought it at the big casino, fuck.
Starting point is 01:10:35 And that's the movie. I mean, it's a little bit Hayes code, right, to be like, you can't let them get away with it, you know? Yeah. It was the perfect heist, but through foolish methods they've lost it. Just really good. Easy come, easy go. Because they easily moved the money here.
Starting point is 01:10:51 And I mean, that was Ocean's Eleven, or Ocean's Eleven with the numbers, Ocean's One One. What did we think watching this movie? Because I had a decidedly average time, to be honest. Look, I liked the dialogue, I had a good... full disclosure, I got a little bit too high for this one. ALICE That's fair, that's reasonable. RILEY And I ended up connecting with it on a level that hasn't happened since Serpico, so...
Starting point is 01:11:13 ALICE Oh god. RILEY Really? ALICE Okay, you're gonna come on for the next one in a full suit? RILEY Forgive me. But. No, don't worry, I'm not gonna start dressing like one of the Dean Martins. But like, the dialogue was reasonably snappy for the first half,
Starting point is 01:11:25 I liked some of the stuff, I didn't like that none of the women were characters, obviously that was bad. But then for the second half when the hot vengeful stepfather hits the movie, I was locked in from there. ALICE Yeah, for sure. That's reasonable. ZACH It's so good seeing the downfall. It was good. ALICE I think it's always a peril of making content with your actual friends, is, what if it gets like too comfortable? Luckily this will never happen to us.
Starting point is 01:11:55 Yeah. I did. There's one thing I liked about it, which is that a lot of the editing... There's not a lot of cuts. There's a lot of scenes where you will have a shot that will just be held or the camera will move and it'll be held for the whole scene. They'll do like one take for the whole scene. And that's because it was being made on actual film and cutting it and like starting and
Starting point is 01:12:15 stopping a film camera is difficult to do. And so it produces a very different editing style than digital where you can be as fast and choppy as you like. And I enjoy seeing that kind of filmmaking and that kind of acting, just because it's a kind of interesting... in the same way that I suppose people who are very into trains enjoy seeing old trains, you know, it's just like, oh cool, that's how the kind of thing has changed over time. I enjoyed it for that reason, but as a story I found it mid.
Starting point is 01:12:39 ALICE The actual robbery, the actual heist, amount to... RILEY 20 minutes? RILEY Yeah, we turn the lights off. And then while everyone's bumbling around, like, nobody had a flashlight? Yeah, well, no, apparently not. Nobody had like a torch, like a mag light in any of these cas- okay. No.
Starting point is 01:12:58 Actually, we see guys running around lighting like, hurricane lamps and shit, and they have to sneak past them as they get out, so, yeah, no. It's contrived, whatever. You know, this is the thing, right? A lot of people have watched this movie, including George Clooney and Brad Pitt, and been like, this is the coolest thing ever, we're basically like these guys, we should do a heist film, and I think it like, codified a lot of stuff in the genre. Which we will get to, we'll talk about it. RILEY Yeah, shit, we talked about Cannonball Run. ALICE Yeah, we're gonna be seeing stuff from this movie for like, the rest of this season.
Starting point is 01:13:29 LORENZO Yeah, no, this was an important thing to do, just like, this is a Rosetta Stone for understanding heist movies, I think. ALICE Absolutely. ALICE It's like finding the skull of Australopithecus. ALICE Oh, fuck. The heist lobe is enlarged. ALICE Very low stakes in a lot of ways. These guys are all set up, it's
Starting point is 01:13:45 just a kind of like leisure activity and that way it's closer to some of the like, gentlemen thief stuff than like later heist stuff, you know? We're not really dealing with criminals. I didn't enjoy it nearly as much as the first Diabolic Modern one though. That's fair. Yeah. However. I feel like we've gotten better. We don't have to just judge this subjectively, because we have a science-based system. It's called the SCUMM system, it stands for SMARM. Cultural Insensitivity. Unprovoked Violence and Misogyny. And I have a good feeling about this one. On a scale of zero to,
Starting point is 01:14:19 let's say, seven for the moment, how smarmy is Ocean's Eleven, 1960. Actually, who did you use in 1960? Really we would be like, doing it at a service not to give it an eleven at this point. RILEY It's fucking seven, like, at least, right? It's absolutely hitting the soft cap, if not the hard cap. ZACH I think it's hit the soft cap, definitely, like, it's very... just like, casting all your mates, like, yeah. The smarmiest movie I've ever seen.
Starting point is 01:14:47 Cut the gunsmoke dialogue? Yeah. What does that mean? I don't know! And like, does it mean stop talking weird? Cause they don't. It's referencing a western show called Gunsmoke, yeah. It means stop talking like a cowboy, but like, he doesn't say that to the cowboy!
Starting point is 01:15:06 Yeah! No, awful. Seven. Seven. Just straight seven. Yeah, casting all your friends who all look like you? Yeah, weird. Cultural insensitivity.
Starting point is 01:15:18 So I mean, it's curious, right, because the Rat Pack were liberal in the sense of civil rights, they were big on integrating performance venues in Nevada. Sammy Davis Jr. is there. But that also has, as the flip side of it, kind of retrospectively being like, yeah, it's always been good, actually. Here in an entertainment product, that's the way we just change things, by pretending it's always been good, actually. You know, that's here in an entertainment product, that's the way we just change things, by pretending it's always been good. And maybe that has some value to it, maybe not, I don't know. Yeah, by pretending we're moving past this sort of thing. And there's also the butler,
Starting point is 01:15:56 Osebus is butler. Yes. And Osebus himself is kind of like, he's Greek, but he's like, ethnicized, right, he's kind of hysterical, ridiculous, and comic, you know? So, I mean, on that basis, it's pretty fucking bad. It's, in some respects, better than a Bond film of the time would be. ALICE Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Starting point is 01:16:20 ALICE Four? Five? ALICE Yeah, I'd go five. I think four would feel slightly dishonest, but I think five is fair. Unprovoked violence. Basically. Almost nothing, yeah. There's basically no violence in here at all. Yeah, like Dean Martin puts you in a chokehold. One guy starts fighting someone for like, catcalling his exotic dancer GF.
Starting point is 01:16:43 It's pretty provoked, you know? And also the violence itself is like- If your partner's an exotic dancer, I think don't show up to her work and start fighting her clients. Like that's just a- That's called bouncing, that's, you know, the safety- Yeah, you can get a job doing that. They let you do it legitimately. Do it freelance. I did go on a date with a stripper once to a place that she was stripping. It was great. I didn't beat anyone up. Yeah. Can you imagine just being like mad about it? Like, insane.
Starting point is 01:17:08 I would, I've never been in a fight like this and I think it would be genuinely fun to be in a fight where the rules are you gotta do the like, why I order kind of style of fight. Yeah, I would love to be in. You gotta roll up your sleeves beforehand. Like, only right hooks. Slamming the spinach, you know? Gotta do this kind of like boxing arms? Yeah, like speed bag arms, where people are like, ah, what are you doing? Gonna hit you really hard with my wrist!
Starting point is 01:17:35 It's gonna feel great. Ow. One? Ow. One? Yeah, I think, yeah I'll go one. A one is reasonable. Let's do one.
Starting point is 01:17:44 One's fine. That's gonna save it, because misogyny... ooooh, baby. It's bad. It's bad. Pretty bad. Full force. Misogynistic editing? Yeah, right? I can't stop thinking about cutting off a woman mid-chat in the edit. Does Danny Ocean be like, I had nothing better to do? The only times that women have agency are in relation to Danny Ocean to either love him in spite of his misdeeds, or try to ruin him because of his misdeeds. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:11 What happens to Adele? Does she come back, or does she just throw the hotel room key away and then fuck off? She just fucks up out of the narrative. She's gone. Like, that's... She's out of her. She's not important, because the movie doesn't care about it, because she's a woman. Which they kind of half-jokingly make the position as like, yeah, there should be slaves.
Starting point is 01:18:28 You know? Like... RILEY Yeah, very true. ALICE I think if you're even jokingly taking the line of, we should enslave women, that's gotta be a seven, right? Like we don't do... RILEY You shouldn't. ALICE Less than that, for that?
Starting point is 01:18:41 RILEY Yeah. Yeah, it's early in the season, we should come out pretty hard on this stance, I think. You shouldn't enslave women. Is there some political context that we are missing? No. Are they perhaps satirizing a right wing position at the time? Is there something that we're missing? I don't think so.
Starting point is 01:18:57 No? They're just in an ironic... Like, I do think we have to give it seven. If we have missed that, and that is the case, do let us know in the comments, but as far as I can tell that's not. I think it is just a little, like, you know, my bitch wife type joke, you know? Right, yeah. So on that basis I wanna give it a seven.
Starting point is 01:19:13 Like, it's got a sexual assault on screen? Like, trivially? Yes it does, it does, in fact you're quite right. In that case that gives it a total score of twenty. Which is... not good! I badly want a Kronstein, Rosette, Spiros, a Seibos. Any Kronsteins, any Goodnights? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:30 Good night for Spiros, absolutely. Yeah, a good night for Spiros. He actually is the main, the source of all of this, and they don't respect him enough. I love that guy. I absolutely love him. Yeah, no Kronsteins, I don't think. No. Nobody really goes above and beyond of the cause of how... it's a good night, he's a, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Starting point is 01:19:46 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, wait, and I have the power to it, so I'm on third of the podcast. Actually, to be fair, fucking your enemy's mum is going above and beyond the causability. So yeah, I'm not going to say anything else. Yeah, absolutely. And reminding him of it in every interaction. Yes. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:15 Not only have I rumbled your heist, but I am fucking your mum and I won't stop. Alright, that's Ocean's Eleven. We will return for Ocean's Eleven. See you next time on Ocean's Eleven. That's right. What's the next bonus episode gonna be? I'm not sure whose choice it is. I think it's Devon's...
Starting point is 01:20:35 Oh god, hang on, let me look at the Kill James Bond. It was Erdol, Sex and the City 2 was... Okay yeah, it's me again. Alright, I'll have a think. Okay, perfect. Well in that case, thank you for listening, subscribe to the Patreon and we will see you next time. Bye everyone! Bye! Bye Daddio!
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