Kill James Bond! - S4E23: Point Break (2015)

Episode Date: September 18, 2025

This may in fact be the point, at which you break. We have reconvened to discuss the 2015 Point Break remake, its foibles and achievements, because consistency is the name of our game. --- Friend of t...he show Bella, a refugee evacuated from Afghanistan in 2021, is raising money for her gender confirmation surgery! Anything you can give would be hugely appreciated! https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/team-bella ----- Check out friend of the show Mattie's new book Simplicity here, or wherever fine graphic novels are sold! ----- FREE PALESTINE Hey, Devon here. In our home, we talk a lot about how insane everything feels, and agonise constantly over what can be done to best help the Palestinians trapped in Gaza facing the full brunt of genocidal violence. My partner Rebecca has put together a list of four fundraisers you can contribute to- all of them are at work on the ground doing what they can. -Palestinian Communist Youth Union, which is doing a food and water effort, and is part of the official communist party of Palestine https://www.gofundme.com/f/to-preserve-whats-left-of-humanity-global-solidarity -Water is Life, a water distribution project in North Gaza affiliated with an Indigenous American organization and the Freedom Flotilla https://www.waterislifegaza.org/ -Vegetable Distribution Fund, which secured and delivers fresh veg, affiliated with Freedom Flotilla also https://www.instagram.com/linking/fundraiser?fundraiser_id=1102739514947848 -Thamra, which distributes herb and veg seedlings, repairs and maintains water infrastructure, and distributes food made with replanted veg patches https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-thamra-cultivating-resilience-in-gaza ----- WEB DESIGN ALERT Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here:  https://www.tomallen.media/ Kill James Bond is hosted by November Kelly, Abigail Thorn, and Devon. You can find us at https://killjamesbond.com , as well as on our Bluesky and X.com the every app account

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Starting point is 00:00:00 become the wind, or you'll hit your point. What point? The point where you break. Hello and welcome to another episode of Cole James Bond. I, as you may have heard, groaning, I'm November Kelly, I am joined as always by my friends Abigail Thorne and Devon. Eng 10, listener.
Starting point is 00:00:36 What's up, homies, how are you doing? Kawabunga. This is not, yeah, not a surfer movie. No. Not a Californian surfer movie. I have some theories about what kind of movie it is, but we're back with the remake of Point Break, beloved 1990s action classic,
Starting point is 00:00:54 have you ever, like, show your gun on the air and gone, I didn't know that this remake existed but they made it it exists and you know what it's a film and that means we are going to have to watch it and talk about it 2015 this came out 2015 but to be fair
Starting point is 00:01:11 like 1991 the first one came out this is what 25 years later yeah was there a huge market of point break nostalgia to catch in on I don't think so this is really like related to the first one in any appreciable way,
Starting point is 00:01:28 other than the fact that the first one was, like, it's a movie where an FBI agent has to learn to surf. This one is like all the extreme sports. All of them. Yes. I mean, if you're going to remake,
Starting point is 00:01:40 point break, 2015, it's probably what it was going to look like. Yeah, this is what it would end up looking like. That's true. It is a bit of a time capsule in that way. Got to adapt something, you know? Yeah. That's true.
Starting point is 00:01:53 No one's got any ideas. It's 2015. That's our hook this time is it's not just surfing. We'll be surfing. We'll be wingsuit gliding. We'll be dirt biking. Snowboarding. Snowboarding. They spent $100 million on this movie.
Starting point is 00:02:04 Really? They made $130. Hey, all right. That's pretty good. That's more money than I've ever made. Yeah, I've never made $30 million in my life. But by the standards of these things, this was not a huge success. But so we begin in the mountains of question mark Utah, I guess, where we get really
Starting point is 00:02:25 jump scared by some audio because everything has been in complete silence until you get dirt bike engine and there are two guys on dirt bikes. One of them is Johnny, one of them is his friend Jeff. Don't get attached. Don't get attached. And they're
Starting point is 00:02:43 they're pros. They like, you know, monster energy. All of the racing leathers have like monster energy on them and so forth. They love extreme sports. You know, they're just two homies They're riding their dirt bikes along the peak of a sort of ridge. Yeah, it's like a little mountain rangey thing. And they're going to be the first guys to do it.
Starting point is 00:03:04 And if they do, their sponsors will be really happy and they've got loads of YouTube hits. There's like a helicopter filming them. Johnny is like all sort of gung-ho about this. Jeff, Jeff is not so sure. Jeff can't necessarily like see the line or what he's trying to achieve here. Yeah. Jeff's like, I don't want to get fridged for your tragic backstory, John. Johnny.
Starting point is 00:03:23 Johnny's like, don't worry, that'll never happen. It'll never happen. Johnny is like, my dead wife, Jeff, please. Don't worry. Jeff really does get the dead wife edit in this movie. Later in the movie, he's having flashbacks to Jeff and, like, diaphanous white fabrics. Just getting ripped away from him.
Starting point is 00:03:40 No, Jeff. Watching the tape Jeff made for him. With their son? It's weirdly, it's progressive, actually, to have the dead wife be a guy named Jeff. To be fair, we, We make this joke, I think, to compensate for the fact that unlike the original point break, this one's barely homo erotic.
Starting point is 00:03:59 This one. Yeah. For real. It's really, like, straight, which is just shame. Yeah. He's like, no, bro, it's going to be fine. And he gives them the motivational fist bump. And Jeff, upon being, like, you know, knuckle to knuckle with another man, is like, okay,
Starting point is 00:04:13 cool, it's time for me to die. Mm-hmm. Yes. So they ride on this, like, ridge line. There's some, like, helicopter shots. We get, like, music video number one. Sonic R-type soundtrack. Like, unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:04:29 I was going to describe it. It is runaway by a band called What, apparently. I would describe this as being a genre I call ass rock or butt rock. Oh, yeah, that's what I wrote ass rock, yeah. It sounds a bit like creed, but it's not creed. And I'm just now thinking about how in point break, a fairly major plot point, is our surfers of this, like, insular counterculture who don't like to be commercialized
Starting point is 00:04:56 because they're all hippies, right? And the movie does say with, you know, not sort of inaccuracy that, like, extreme sports as a whole has been completely, like, monster energy-fied, right? This is, like, we are in the, like, triumph of the yuppies here. Yeah, yeah. That game of fuel, all sorts of things, yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:15 So they do the cool thing. They do a cool jump onto, like, a mesa. And Johnny is able to, like, stop his bike in time. You know, he's not an FBI agent yet. He's just a guy. He's just a guy, yeah. Johnny, Utah, guy. Yeah, Jeff, he misses the Mesa.
Starting point is 00:05:33 He sails over the thing. And Johnny does maybe the funniest thing in this situation, which is he sort of like goes to his guy who is hanging off of the cliff edge. And he grabs the bike and not the guy. Yeah. Yeah, he grabs the bike by the handlebars. He's like, I'll pull this bike up. Yeah, and it's like, yeah, hit the gas, bro.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Instead of, like, you know, grabbing your butt. and pulling him over the handlebars of the bike and losing the bike? Yeah, the bike's got to be lighter than like an adult Jeff by a shoe. Right? Jeff, very dense. Jeff, who is made primarily of osmium,
Starting point is 00:06:02 falls off the bike. Very quickly. Johnny is left bereft, you know? His wife has died. Yeah. And he's like, I will never extreme sports again. Now that I've seen what it leads to, a can of monster physically repulses me.
Starting point is 00:06:17 Right? Like, I will only ever wear a baseball camera. the right way. I'm also having that reaction to Monster. Now that I've seen what it leads to. That's a joke.
Starting point is 00:06:30 As well you might. Shotholds on a can of monster lying on its side just spilling out. That's a joke. That's a point of imagery. Ont to like a dry lake bed. Yeah, yeah. It's all about images, right?
Starting point is 00:06:41 It's new images. Cinema is. So, this movie is truth 24 times a second. So the funny thing about this, right, is you look at, the bit where they're doing the, like, motorcycle bike man stuff,
Starting point is 00:06:55 and you're like, that's, that's quite competently shot. This is, you know, if it weren't for the kind of, like, creed of this, I would be like, you know, I'd be watching this. I would be seated for this. And I think this film is, like, mainly is best understood as a series of
Starting point is 00:07:11 loosely connected music videos. Yes, yes. I agree completely. It suffers from the, what I'm conceptualizing of the Mick G. problem, after the director of Charlie's Angels. where it's like, this is someone who is, like, surprisingly competent at making music videos or, like, short stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:07:29 It's good at, like, sequences, has no idea how to put a film together. And so you get, like, a very impressively shot thing. This guy, the director, fucking Erickson Core insane name. Yeah. Was, like, director of photography for a bunch of the, like, Fast and Furious movies, stuff like that. So it started out doing music videos.
Starting point is 00:07:46 And he directed and DOP'd this, actually, which is a rare combo, but, like, when it was. it works. Absolutely. And he knows what he's doing with the photography for these sequences. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:56 And then you get another one. These are where the movie really comes alive, but then we cut to a scene with, like, people. Yes. And then we cut to, yeah, the, like,
Starting point is 00:08:05 equivalent to Johnny Utah loading his gun in the rain from the first one. Yeah. Where seven years later, Johnny Utah has joined the FBI. Yeah, and Delroy Lindo, who I recognized by voice,
Starting point is 00:08:18 is a guy I love to hear, is giving a monologue about how, and this is verbatim, when you join the FBI, you join the front line between order and chaos. That is still true, but now you're on the side of chaos. I don't think 2015 was a before that change. Yeah, okay, yeah. And so he does all the FBI training,
Starting point is 00:08:41 and then he's just, we get like two seconds of this, and then he's just in like a green screen office, like War of the World. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. It's strange. Empty, empty office that's like too big, no character to it. This is your sort of equivalent scene to the one,
Starting point is 00:08:57 and I'm not going to keep doing this, but it just behooves me at the start to comparison, the two of them, right? Yeah. This is the equivalent of a scene where he meets Dr. Cox from Scrubs, and they do a walk through the office, and they're both showing off their personality, and there are extras and there's stuff and his life and his motion. In this one, it is two guys on either side of a desk.
Starting point is 00:09:17 It just cuts between them. There's some sort of meeting going on in the background behind them through like a frosted plane of glass. It's shit. It's really bad. Yeah, what does this tell me? The FBI is a workplace. Weirdly, it reminded me of Sam, the movie Sam.
Starting point is 00:09:33 And the office from that where it's just like office. It doesn't feel like office of anywhere. It's just space. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So, Delroy Lindo, the director of like FBI training or whatever, they don't give this character a name, by the way. Really? That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:09:50 Genuinely, he's just like FBI training director or something. Oh my God, yeah. They don't give them one. But so he's like, I know you like used to be a YouTuber. Yeah, you used to be a YouTuber. But we let you join the FBI. I know it usually works the other way around. Sorry, hold on.
Starting point is 00:10:09 2015, seven years ago before 2015, YouTube. 2008. Yeah, YouTube was 2005? But you're, like, big on it? I don't know. Posting only the 240-p-est of clips. Yeah, I would have been a very different beast back then. I wouldn't have used helicopters to get my shops for 2008 YouTube personally.
Starting point is 00:10:30 Yeah, you didn't need to by then, really, you know? I don't know. It's just like Johnny Utah and fucking Boxy. Who's also in the FBI now? I'm boxy. I'm glad they sent Boxy to the FBI. I think she can have a, like, a fruitful career there. The federal boxy is.
Starting point is 00:10:48 Federal Boxing Institute, yeah. I come up with a completely fucked background in for FBI later on, so stay tuned with that one. So he's like, you used to be in extreme sports. And Johnny Utah still has the like fucking hand tattoos and shit like that.
Starting point is 00:11:04 It looks awful. And he's like, yeah, but I got my life together. I got my GED at like age 23. I did my like master's degree five years behind everybody else, which must be difficult, right? And I'm going to get my shit together.
Starting point is 00:11:20 I'm determined, right? I will commit to this program. I will commit to this program. And he's like, is your name Johnny Utah in this one? Delroy Lindo asks. And he goes, no, because it's a darker and grittier reboot. Because they get embarrassed. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:34 Utah is a nickname that people gave me on YouTube. It was like my YouTube username, whatever. My real name is Brigham. Like Brigham Young, the like Mormon, like sort of pioneer, right? So Johnny Utah, funny. They call him Johnny Utah the entire rest of the movie. This is only there because the directors are like, oh, it's kind of lame that it's called Johnny Utah.
Starting point is 00:11:57 We should probably, like, think about that. No, it's like, what are you doing? If you're going to remake a 90s movie, then you have to bear the kind of cross that the guy is named Jonathan, Illinois. Yeah. But it won't do it. It's woke. Delroy, Linda, is like, is your surname really tube?
Starting point is 00:12:16 And he's like, no, obviously not. They changed it at Ellis Island. Yeah. So he's like, all right, fine. But I worry about you slipping back into this like extreme sports community, right? Like, you... Which is, like, why? Like...
Starting point is 00:12:30 Okay. It's sort of like he's like D-Trans, but for being like a monster energy guy. Yeah, yeah, kind of. It's like you're ex-cooled for being cool. I think I've done that in my life. Yeah, he's like, he's like, I just worry, right? Like, you're going to slip back into it. You're going to come into work one day
Starting point is 00:12:50 wearing a baseball camp in like a fucked way and then you're lost to it. So you're going to go like surpo mode. You're going to call me dude one time and I'm just going to be like, damn, it's happened. Yeah, absolutely. Your boss who is constantly unwatched for signs of like emergent coolness in him.
Starting point is 00:13:06 I mean, that was kind of the part of the original one too. Yeah, I guess so. You got to not be being awesome. Yeah. This is the ideal boss role, I think. Right. But so in the FBI Academy, where Johnny is, is apparently, because he's still like a real FBI agent.
Starting point is 00:13:23 He's like a baby FBI agent. He's like a hatchling. Yeah, yeah. They teach, I guess, this like live case that's still happening to be like, let's show it to the kids. So the ex-presidents were, they had a heist plan, right? And they were repeating this. Everyone's like, this is smart.
Starting point is 00:13:41 They get in, they get money, they get out in like 30 seconds. These guys are good. this one we get Delroy Lindo go these guys are smart over footage of three guys driving motorbikes out of an elevator and just kind of gently running their bikes down a line of people
Starting point is 00:14:00 and like picking up diamonds and pouring them out which is what I would describe as fucking stupid yes now crucially the ex-presidents have updated because there's Obama is there now Well, they did the riff from point break. There's three of them, there's Obama, there's George W. Bush, and then there's Vladimir Putin?
Starting point is 00:14:23 Yeah. I'm like, what? From that time he was president, I guess. I mean, he was controlling Donald Trump, right? We're doing resist lib shit. You don't want like a Clinton in there? Like, yeah, strange. Yeah, but so they steal some diamonds.
Starting point is 00:14:38 And instead of mooning a security camera, like surfers might, they just have little, like, bumper stickers. so like the Obama which the Obama who we later find out will be a white guy as well 100% yeah has like a little like yes we can thing and it's like okay sure
Starting point is 00:14:56 and then they they drive they're told these guys are smart because they knew that there was going to be a police response at the ground level so they improvised and what we see the footage from doing is driving out of the window of the building there are not
Starting point is 00:15:13 100th floor. This is a skyscraper. They're on a hundredth floor of a skyscraper. And then they start up like the Hamas paragliders or whatever. Yeah. And they parallel away. Getting Hamas paraglider and realize, how smart is that? Particularly smart because I feel like I can track a paraglider so effortlessly. Yeah, they're not quick, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's very unusual. Also, we find out that this happened in Mumbai. This was a diamond sorting facility in Mumbai, but the company that owns it is majority U.S. owned, hence the FBI are involved. I'm like, is that? Is that a real thing?
Starting point is 00:15:47 Weirdly, the overreach thing is. There's a few bits in this movie where it's like, well, this isn't really anything to do with America or Americans, but it touches on American money in some way. So, like, we want an in with this is absolutely something the FBI do. There's a bit where they're like, we're going to send you to the FBI guy in London. And it's like, that's also a real thing.
Starting point is 00:16:10 regret to say it, the FBI really does do the thing of, like, you know, trying to get into everything. Wow, okay. NYPD does the same thing. Exactly, yes. Rather than run away with the diamonds, they threw them down onto the streets of Mumbai,
Starting point is 00:16:23 gave them all away. Perfectly mansumusing the economy of Mumbai. Yeah. Where it's like, now the least valuable thing is diamonds, yeah. Also, I feel like diamonds are typically, like, very trackable because of the, like, you know, the engravings and stuff.
Starting point is 00:16:40 Also, we've changed a bit here because if we remember the first movie, Bodie, the guy who, you know, runs this gang, he wasn't giving shit away to the poor. He was just doing it for surfboard money. Yeah, 100% right? But now it's like a Robin Hood, like 1% type beef because it was 2015, right?
Starting point is 00:16:58 Yeah. They follow this up. They do the same thing again. Yeah, with a plane. There's like a cargo plane over Mexico and a couple of the gang. They're not even in the president's masks anymore. They do that again.
Starting point is 00:17:09 They give it up on that immediately. They don't even have a cool aesthetic. They're just guys in crash helmets now. Sometimes you do a bit and it's like, this was going to be the whole thing. And then you try it one time and you're just so embarrassed. It's just like, I can't, I can't commit to this program. Yeah, we planned the bit before the episode.
Starting point is 00:17:24 And we just like get one heist in with the president's masks. And you're like, ah, this is fucking stupid, isn't it? Imposter syndrome. Vladimir's not even a president of the United States. It's ridiculous. Yeah. And the masks look like shit. And we had to put them over a motorcycle helmets,
Starting point is 00:17:36 which makes them look more like shit. Yeah, it was actually, it wasn't masks. It was just paper. like splatted on the front of a motorcycle helmet. Yeah. So, yeah, there's this like cargo plane above Mexico with no security,
Starting point is 00:17:48 two pilots up front and a shitload of like cash. Yeah. Two huge pallets of cash. It's the money that Donald Trump is currently touching or was touching before he died. Just palleted up. Do they do that? Do they just fly cash around
Starting point is 00:18:02 over Mexico? I guess you've got to get it there somehow, but like this seems very stupid. I think you'd probably have somebody watching the line. to make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen because the two guys, they're already on the plane and they just open the ramp, kick out the gigantic pallet of cash,
Starting point is 00:18:20 flip off the CCTV, and follow it out with parachutes. And I'm thinking here, as this cache is falling, like, that doesn't have a parachute, right? And so I'm thinking maybe the least effective means of Robin Hooding this shit is like kicking a pallet of cash directly onto an orphanage
Starting point is 00:18:40 with no parachute, like a drone strike. Like a rod from God like just hits this fucking orphanage. Yeah, well, they cut the ropes and like all the cash like flies off in a series of not particularly good special effects. Yeah, the skydiving shots are cool, but the CGI cash doesn't look great.
Starting point is 00:18:59 You get the shot of this like Mexican rural village where cash starts to rain from the sky and people are like, oh, hey, cash and they grab the cash. I love American dollars. recover that money easily because nobody has a bunch of new hundred dollar bills and also you know the serial numbers
Starting point is 00:19:15 and you know exactly where they were dropped yeah I don't know seems seems easy but like but they skydive and we see a shot of them just like going behind some trees at ground level it looks like they just hit the ground yeah and back at the FBI
Starting point is 00:19:29 they're like these two guys do for the fuck out of themselves those guys dead we're looking for two holes right like it's two guys like planted in the earth like Wiley Coyote just
Starting point is 00:19:39 to just guy-shaped holes yeah and again they're like well I mean this isn't like an American thing but we care
Starting point is 00:19:46 because it's dollar you know and Johnny Utah he has an idea right he's sitting there with a stupid
Starting point is 00:19:54 hand tattoos he's typing in the computer by the way the actor who played him described the tattoos as tough guy stickers which is a really cute
Starting point is 00:20:01 oh that is quite cute what do they say I don't 100% know I don't know either I even read the hand tattoos my My sole one that I remember is that he has just Jeff on the rib, just as a reminder of his day wife, which is really funny.
Starting point is 00:20:16 The other thing about his hand tattoos, it's funny, is that they're facing him. So, like, he gets to be reminded of what they are. Oh, that's good. That's smart. That's really fun. He's just having to do, do, like, this with my hands the other way. Yeah, one of those are his left facing him.
Starting point is 00:20:32 He's like, I have some ideas. I recognize this from being cool. And a better movie would now do some tension. here of being like, Delroy Lindo going, I don't want you getting sucked back into that world of being cool. I don't want you being cool. But instead, he's like, fine, of course I believe you. But now you've got to present it to the big FBI
Starting point is 00:20:48 because you're like a baby FBI agent. You don't even know an FBI stands for yet, right? Like you're fresh out the fucking like egg sack or whatever. Do this presentation. You're at the sort of a buruk high birthing pod with all the FBI has come out of, yeah. Explain your theory to me and then to like...
Starting point is 00:21:09 The boys. The boys. Yeah, the collected boys. Yeah. And so his theory is this, right? He knows from YouTube that there was this community of...
Starting point is 00:21:19 Do I have the thing? Yes, I do. Extreme poly... Yeah, yeah. Just saving that for personal reasons. Extreme polyathletes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:29 Of whom there was there was this one guy called Ozu Ozaki. Mm-hmm. And he was like super in tune with nature. He's a mystical Japanese man. They've got some mystical
Starting point is 00:21:41 like headshots of him in a forest. Yeah. And he's like, this guy set eight challenges, right? And if you did all eight challenges, you would be in like perfect harmony with the world. He's like, extreme sports Buddha. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:54 Yes. Not a real guy, by the way. Looked this up. They invented a kind of like mystical Asian man for cheap heat mysticism, which is like kind of racist. But they did. The idea is you do these eight challenges
Starting point is 00:22:03 and then you... That different extreme sports. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you, you like achieve spiritual enlightenment, right? And so, and you also, when you do it, you have to give something back to Mother Nature. And so that's what the kind of the crime bit is. They're like giving something back. So the first challenge they did a few months ago in the Congo was they burned down a logging camp and then white water rafed away.
Starting point is 00:22:27 And then they did the Mumbai thing, question mark. Not sure what that was about. And then now the cash, they sky. The cash for Mother Earth. The Mumbai thing was they base jump off Everest and then did the Mumbai heist. Yeah, you don't have to do them at the same time, yeah. You can just go.
Starting point is 00:22:43 No, it doesn't have to be one thing. You just kind of, it's sequential. Yeah. Also, there's no, like, nobody's marking this, right? There's no, like, Guinness sort of Book of Records, like, efficient. Well, indeed, because the guy himself only made it to three before he died of his eight challenges. Delroy Lindo receives this news with literally some of the same reactions and, let's say, commitment as Ice Cube gives in the
Starting point is 00:23:07 War of the World's remake, which we will talk about in due time. We will certainly get that. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's shocked in a, like, unconvincing way. And it's like, okay, Johnny Utah, right? What if it, what if it, like, takes a YouTuber to catch a YouTuber?
Starting point is 00:23:24 Right? Right? Like, oh, fuck. What if, what if you, you know, what if you go after them, extreme sports style? Yeah. Which, which does make me think about the breadchube version of this, like, point bread. Point bread.
Starting point is 00:23:39 Fucking hell. Takes her. They're landing the chopper on my lawn. Being like, we need you to come back. You're back for one more job. I'm like, no, I got out of the game. Ask Harry. And they're like, no, who do you think is the one who's gone missing?
Starting point is 00:23:50 We can't find Harry. We sent Harry in first. He hasn't come back. I'm like, fucking hell. But the thing is Harry had this series of like mystical trials for breadstubers to fucking hell. And then I go on the quest and then I like, bump into my, bump into like a long for.
Starting point is 00:24:05 got an ex who's also on the quest. Yeah, me, I'm more than anything you think. And the bomber guy ate. But Johnny Utah goes, I know where they're going to be next. Yeah, that's the point. Because the next trick is the way of water. So we need to get out there. There's going to be like a storm surge off the coast of France.
Starting point is 00:24:25 It's going to be big waves. They'll be there 100%. It's going to be surfing in the middle of nowhere. They make him do a presentation just to stretch the runtime out where he's like, you should have me do this. and the trad FBI are like, I hate this fucking guy's hand tattoos. Which, they sort of ask a bunch of quite pertinent questions about this.
Starting point is 00:24:44 Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Why's your evidence? Should we send someone who has been an FBI agent longer than two weeks? Aren't you that guy from YouTube? Should we send a guy who is an FBI agent also? Yeah. Yeah, and to be fair, like, I appreciate the FBI doing like non-traditional recruitment. I think more deep state things should do that.
Starting point is 00:25:03 I think more non-deep state things should do that. You know, not everyone has a sort of like straight path down the, down the cursus and oran, right? Yeah, if you're listening. If the deep state are listening. Absolutely. I assume the deep say, wasn't it's literally that job. Anyway, um, also, also would be remiss not to flag this up.
Starting point is 00:25:19 One of the FBI guys in the presentation, he has one line, but is played by Steve Tusson, aka callus Valerian. I'm not sure whether this counts is guy we like to see or not, but like... I think so. I think so, 100%. Guy, yeah, from House of the Dragon. And Steve Chesaw, the sea snake himself. Lovely man, really nice guy.
Starting point is 00:25:38 By the way, in the course of this presentation, Johnny kind of resolves the D.B. Cooper thing for us because he's like, what I think these guys in Mexico did was there's this cave, the cave of swallows. It's like a cenote. I think these guys just like parachuted straight into it and did, as he says, the first ever sky-earth transition into the cave of swallows, which I haven't heard of that kind,
Starting point is 00:26:02 but cool, whatever. Yeah, cool. I support it. I have reason to believe that they were doing sick, nasty shit. So he's like, all right, get over to Europe. We've got a guy to meet you there. Yeah. Yes. Agent Poppers.
Starting point is 00:26:14 FBI. Agent Poppers, yeah. Agent Poppers from the UK FBI. Yeah. Well, so he's mentally from the UK office. And that line is solely in there to explain the facts that this is Ray Winston. Monster. That's our fucking boy, Ray Winston.
Starting point is 00:26:33 a man who sounds like he's doing an impression of his own accent and can't keep it up. Genuinely, some of his lines are like... He tries to do an American accent in one scene and just like, what the fuck, brother? I'm done with it. I would describe this as a kind of court-ordered appearance by Ray Winston. Yeah, he does seem like he's like not wanting to be here, man.
Starting point is 00:26:55 I'm like, what's going on? This is our like Gary Busey equivalent, right? He is fucking Ray Winston. Very low energy. He doesn't get to say anything as inspired as jacking off. to the lingerie section of the Sears catalogue. Like, he's just like, Jacking off to a lingerie section of the Sears catalogue.
Starting point is 00:27:09 Jacking off to the lingerie section of the Argos catalogue. Oh, is there a lingerie section to the Argos? There's got to be, right? I don't know, filling it out with a little pencil. Depress him. Yeah, I will say, I watch this, as is becoming usual for me, with my jackals and Gwen screamed when Ray Winston appeared.
Starting point is 00:27:31 Yeah. He's got, like, really, like, a great. greased up hair as well. Yeah, he doesn't look good. No, he looks bad. And he's like, watch it. I'm agent Ray Poppers. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:43 I'm going to drive you to surfing now. Yeah. I'm going to take you the next location. It's a really funny thing is the accent work. I don't want to say work. The accent, because he changes all of his A's to ease. So he says Gless and S for glass and ass as well. And I'm not sure if that's a Ray Winston thing.
Starting point is 00:28:03 I think he's trying to. to Americanize himself. Yeah, he does try an American accent in this. And I'm just like, I don't know why you're doing that, man. You're Ray Winston. So he drives him to the sea, which is next location. He drives him to another music video. Drops him off at the EDM yacht.
Starting point is 00:28:18 Getting dropped off at Yot by your dad. As we know, the surfers. We get a needle drop. It's gold on the ceiling by Black Keys, and we get like a very long surfing scene, which, like, it looks pretty. It's cool. The Black Keys, the most embarrassing band
Starting point is 00:28:33 I still sort of like... Why are they embarrassing? I like Bunkies. I mean, because of this, mostly, I think. If they're of the kind of it can be featured in this kind of a movie. My note on this is, this was probably a lot of fun to film.
Starting point is 00:28:49 Yeah. Not to watch. So... Yeah. I mean, in particular, Johnny Utah, sees a lady out there who's like fucking shredding it and we'll meet her later. But people are surfing, they're having fun. They're going, woo! There's loads of extreme poly athletes here
Starting point is 00:29:05 who are having fun. Yes. And big, big yacht waves out of nowhere. And so he gets... What a radical pirate system would be. Extreme poly. And he gets his dad, Ray Poppers, to like, tow him towards
Starting point is 00:29:23 a cool wave. Even though, as we know, he's not surfed much before. This is an interesting distinction to me, right? Jonathan Utah, not allowed to be properly bad at anything here. No. In the first movie, like, okay, sure, he picked up, you know,
Starting point is 00:29:39 like surfing really quickly, but he still, we still had a sequence of him, like, eating shit and getting laughed at by kids. Yeah, he nearly died. It's too insecure to do that, and so he has to be, like, a competent enough surfer to surf into the thing and do the, like,
Starting point is 00:29:55 do the, like, surfing equivalent of cutting up boating? I don't know, no, I don't know surf etiquette. Yeah. He's doing the, he's, He's doing one of the Ozaki eight, like, impossible challenges right now, just sort of from a standing start, you know? Yeah. And he, like, snakes across the water, and he fucking eats shit. And Bodhi chooses to rescue him, like, jumps into the water.
Starting point is 00:30:17 Bodies his trial to, like, go and save his life. There's a cool underwater shot here again. All of the, like, extreme sports. It's competently shot. It's cool that, like, camera technology has moved on enough since the 90s that we even get a shot from, like, inside the pipe as the wave curls over that's like really really cool. Like, yeah, it looks great. Um, yes, it looks good.
Starting point is 00:30:39 Um, and then he wakes up on the yacht. Here's as he wakes up, Bodie sort of being like and then we all meet at the train station in Paris. He just files that away for Lacer. And we remember that Johnny was famous in extreme sports.
Starting point is 00:30:55 Yes. And so he's barely even going undercover because everybody recognizes him. Yeah. He is met by what it then becomes apparent is the crew who are a succession of guys with like a lot of tough guy stickers
Starting point is 00:31:10 identical looking motherfuckers here. Yeah, these guys all look the same. I want to describe them all as having what I can only conceptualize as gay porn dialogue voice. Yes. There's a particular kind of like
Starting point is 00:31:26 Euro-trash accent that just gets squished into like you could be from Norway, you could be from Venezuela, it's all gone into a kind of melange of like Dubro and it's just They've all got the sort of like the little, the scraggly little
Starting point is 00:31:46 beards, the the mustaches they've all got tattoos, they've all got muscles, they've got close-cropped hair, they're all white and they all have the same build. It's fucking four of the same cunt right there. I have a thought about this which I will save until we meet woman. Yeah, absolutely. I'll tell you this. None of of them are giving Patrick Swayze. That's very true.
Starting point is 00:32:05 There's no equivalence here. Did you recognize Bodie, though? I didn't know. This is Edgar Ramirez, who we've seen before, because he is a chimp from the Bourne Ultimatum. He was a professor chimp. We've seen him once before. Welcome back.
Starting point is 00:32:19 And I do quite like his performance in this. I think he does a decent job. He does a fine job of it. It's just not Patrick Swayze. They ask too much of him, I think. Yeah. And so, yeah, all of these guys have like horrible Euro. vibes, fucking David Getter or
Starting point is 00:32:34 whoever is playing. I'm sure it's actually someone who, people who like DJs would care about because Steve Aoki makes a cameo appearance with a Steve Aoki music video in joke in a later scene. So like one of the guys at the party is apparently like an actual surfer.
Starting point is 00:32:50 So like if you're big into like your extreme poly, you're presumably having a great time. I, who mostly listen to like the lemon heads, the outdoor type on repeat while crying, I I don't know who these people are. And so it doesn't...
Starting point is 00:33:07 We get some, like, egregious woman shots because there's, like, a dance floor and there's, like, women with their asses out. Yeah, a lot of the party atmosphere shots are just, like, women's bums. It's crazy how it's 100% white as well. Like, that's striking really bad. The movie does have a problem with, like, women
Starting point is 00:33:25 and also, I think, with race as well. Like, it's, yeah. Bodie, by the way, Bodie has the fucking forest forearm tattoo. you know, the fucking, like, the baby's first tattoo ass. Oh, my God. It's like all of these guys
Starting point is 00:33:39 like sort of rolled into a tattoo place. And just like draped themselves in the flash sheets. It's like, all of these. Genuinely just walked into a tattoo shop with like that one, that one, that one, that one, that one. Which is a great, like, if you actually do that, that's sick. But like, in this case, it's just bad costuming. Anyway.
Starting point is 00:33:59 This party is happening on the yacht. It's being paid for by their sponsor, a man by the name of Alpha Rick. Alpha Rick. Yeah. Alpha Rick. I'm Alpha Rick. Johnny asks Bodie,
Starting point is 00:34:12 how come I've never heard of you in Bodie? Because I'm not on YouTube. Yeah. Which is like, oh, damn, okay. Again, it's a lot about YouTube in this movie. Yeah, this movie has a thing about YouTube. Yeah. Go explore the party.
Starting point is 00:34:26 So Johnny goes to explore the party and you get a, like, a Terminator heads-up display that says, like, sensual white woman. detected. Getting like a kind of monochrome version of the like Mandala Pride flag from mid-pussy tweet.
Starting point is 00:34:42 Because he detect a woman with a lot of also shitty tattoos. She's not got white dress, but she probably should have in a more realistic movie. It's a less called Sam Sara. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:56 I'm interested to know, like, because the actor I think this is like, Theresa Palmer. Is she deliberately playing Samsara as being really high in this scene? I don't know. Or she plays it like she's stoned. And I'm like, that's a cool choice. But like, is that a choice? Or like, were you stoned?
Starting point is 00:35:15 Or is this just... She's pretty good in warm bodies. Like, she can act. Like, she can act. But she in warm bodies? She's in warm bodies, yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah, she is.
Starting point is 00:35:24 She's good in that. Yeah. So, like, what the fuck? I think this is a fine performance. Samsara. You can't. be doing that. She's like,
Starting point is 00:35:33 I love the sea, it's power, and then she like swan dives off the thing. Yeah. And Johnny follows her. He like castigates himself for a second because he's like, you are an FBI agent.
Starting point is 00:35:46 And then he goes, definitely say that out loud. Yeah, absolutely. Definitely say that out loud of the party to himself. But then he's like, but I'm not really an FBI agent, though. I'm on probation.
Starting point is 00:35:56 And then he dives after her. And the thing is, this movie is too scared of him. looking gay to have him also actually dive. And so he does a kind of like straight belly flop thing. Yeah. In after her and it's like,
Starting point is 00:36:10 sauceless. Wash. He's doing the standing in the corner of the party meme. Nobody knows I'm an FBI Asian and everyone else is dancing. Like, we all know, brother. We all 100% clocked you the second you walked in. Before we do some like quite sort of like pretty underwater shots, can I say the thing now? Yes. And I agree completely and I sign off
Starting point is 00:36:27 on this. I'm interested in it. Second key. I want to be, I never want to overuse this as a meme, but I think this movie is spiritually Israeli. It is. I'm not familiar with this meme, so... Well, so, think about it this way. You have
Starting point is 00:36:43 a mega yacht full of people in, like, white trousers, really bad tattoos, like, kind of closely groomed beards. They're all white, listening to shitty EDM, and like, doing
Starting point is 00:36:59 what I would describe as like extremely Reddit versions of extreme sports in a way that makes clear that you have like too much money and like you are you are like thrill seeking in a really kind of like hollow way
Starting point is 00:37:15 it's also it's also spiritually Dubai in that way you could also call it the Masha Rave Vibes yeah Machilobu Pilates rave or whatever but like Machila Bouvu Pilates Ramin I'm fairly certain
Starting point is 00:37:30 that like if you wanted to find white women named samsara spiritually Israeli is not a bad description to start with right it's the white woman dreadlocks thing yes it's not exclusive but that's that's my contention no I'm with you 100% the EDM is awful and the dancing as well is
Starting point is 00:37:55 is so like they're just like kind of bouncing around like a general sort of movement thing Yeah, they parked this yacht off of Gaza for about five years every day and expected nothing to happen. This is the vision for like what the fucking real estate developers want to do when they move in.
Starting point is 00:38:10 And then Hamas got into extreme sports with the paragliding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Never used that before or after. That's the funny thing about the paragliders. You've got to change things up. They're doing the Osaka 8. Smart, yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:23 Saving up the special move. Yeah, but they do like a fucking swimming thing. Yeah, like a free dive. It's a long... It's a music video. They go free diving. Free diving. Again, the fact that you have access to, like, really, really, like, good-looking underwater photography.
Starting point is 00:38:40 Yeah. Like, again, it's competently shot. Thunder pussy or whatever. They had all the money in the world. And it was literally just like, I don't know, put a fucking camera on a plastic bag. Mm-hmm. And it looked like ass, like Ed's... Yeah, this looks beautiful.
Starting point is 00:38:53 It's like even well-lit, which is really hard to do underwater. Yeah. Christ. So, Johnny. knows that he has to go to the next location. They flirt a little bit, too. Yeah. Yeah, sure. It's sort of completely
Starting point is 00:39:05 inanimate, but... He wakes up the next morning across from Bodie again. I actually quite like this scene, actually, because Bodhi's like, why are you here? And he says that you don't have the spirituality for being extremely poorly. And he says, you lack respect.
Starting point is 00:39:22 And I do quite like Edgar Ramirez's performance here because it's not clear whether he means respect for nature or respect for him, Bodie. And the way that he plays, he's not like sensitive boy like Patrick Swayze. He's like quite a big tough guy. So I do quite like the kind of menace that Ramirez brings to the performance here. It's quite good. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:40 But so he finds his dad. Yeah. And his dad's like, all right, I'm taking you home to FBI. Yeah, it sounds like that was a cool party. But like, was any of that permanent to our investigation? Did you find out about like the crimes or what? Did you find out anything to justify like following these people? I was like, no.
Starting point is 00:39:58 I'm getting close to getting some strange though I want to go to Paris to the train station in Paris the one that they have and my next note because he convinced them to do this we got a lot of shots of their Volkswagen Tuareg driving because this is a like this is a real logo movie
Starting point is 00:40:16 right like the Monster Energy logo there's a bit later where they're climbing where everybody has a big fucking arcterics logo right in the shot and so we get a bunch of park commercial on that, man. Shots.
Starting point is 00:40:30 And then they drive to the next location, which is the Bonneur. That's where it's scary in France. Yeah, so he has to be sent to the train station and then I'm like,
Starting point is 00:40:38 that's not... Yeah, I guess it must be an abandoned train station. I was like, is the train station the name of a nightclub? Like, anyway. He goes to Crime Alley.
Starting point is 00:40:49 Yeah. Crime Alley, which is the only place we've seen any people of color so far. There's a fucking burning car there, by the way, has been added in posts
Starting point is 00:40:57 and doesn't look particularly good. Yeah. It's a fight club. They're doing fight club. Yeah. He does a kind of like, if he turned the like HUD for Central White Woman, what he now has is the kind of like detecting enemy stand user by noticing the
Starting point is 00:41:10 shitty tattoos. Yes. Because he just finds the guy with the shittiest tattoos there and is like, let me in the location, which he does. Because one of the, one of the crew recognizes him. Yeah. Because he's got a bunch of shitty tattoos as well. He's got some crazy.
Starting point is 00:41:24 He's got this one on his back that I haven't quite figured out what the fuck that is. Yeah, like, it's sort of like... It's a big Jeff face. It's like if Mr. Doodle drew a thunderbird, I think. I think it is literally a thunderbird. But so one of the guys, the guy who looks a little bit like Andrew Tate, is getting the shit kicked out of him recreationally. And I like that.
Starting point is 00:41:45 I like a guy recreationally getting covered in blood. That's real. He's called Roach, and unfortunately that set me off on mostly just riding down a bunch of things. Just like, Roach. We've got to skydive out of the skyscraper now, Roach. Yeah. And so all the guys kind of vaguely menaced Johnny. But Bodie covers for him.
Starting point is 00:42:02 Bodhi's like, I told him to be here. So that I could punch him really hard in the face. So that we could have like a homoerotic fight. Well, that's the thing. Yeah. So the movie does know how to use the lead actor Luke Bracey. It knows like, okay, perhaps dramatic scenes, not quite his strength, but he's a very good physical performer. And he also looks great with a show off.
Starting point is 00:42:23 So the movie's like, okay, get him in the location where the music video happens. Get him to take a shirt off. and then, like, shoot the fight. Bob's your uncle. Yeah. I think the thing is, right, because they do the fight, and also all of these guys love to,
Starting point is 00:42:34 the boys love to almost kiss. They love to, like, pull each other into, like, a, like, a, sort of almost kiss to hug. And it's also, it's, like, gay, but in a more sexless way than the 90s one. Yes, it is. I would describe it as being, like, homosexual, but not homoerotic, if that makes sense.
Starting point is 00:42:54 It's sort of, like, banging action figures together. There's a really good essay, a film criticism essay that I reread periodically called Everyone is Beautiful and Nobody is Horny, which is about this kind of trend in modern cinema but you get a lot of shots of like, in particular bodies that you have to spend a lot of time in the gym to achieve, like chiseled abs,
Starting point is 00:43:14 even like bodies that will be like oiled or like shone in a way that suggests eroticism but it's just entirely fucking sexless. They've got the 2015 big jeans on in a way that it is filmed like a jeans. ad, just because, you know, it's not, there's not, like, a directorial vision. And 2015, we're in peak kind of Abercrombie and Fitcheers as well. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:35 Like, which, as it turns out, like, was a thing with an extremely dark vision of sexuality behind it. But for public consumption, was just like, oh, sorry, we gave your cis-hit boyfriend an eating disorder. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Because of, like, I don't know, he saw too many abs. So, yeah, this is, this is, this is soulless. But so Johnny, Johnny gets, like, jumped in kind of. and Bodey's like, he literally hits the Joker,
Starting point is 00:44:00 you wouldn't get his line. Properly, yeah. It's like, I'm doing spiritual shit, you know? The only thing that does have any source is the one that immediately follows that where Bodey and Johnny share a cigarette in front of a burning car. And Bodey's like, you know, you shouldn't let other people determine your path in life.
Starting point is 00:44:16 You know, you should feel free to do things that are like outside of your comfort zone or like, you know, a little bit dangerous. And it's like, do you mean... Are you coming on to me? Do you mean fucking me in the ass? But the thing is that he doesn't. And this movie... He doesn't mean that. He doesn't mean that now.
Starting point is 00:44:30 He's 10 times gayer. Particularly in this monologue, he's like, you were selling sports drinks? That's fine. I don't judge. Which is funny. It's because, like, we need monsters to kick in for the budget. But like, you weren't being, like, true to yourself. Like, maybe there's some people for whom
Starting point is 00:44:46 selling sports drinks is their authentic self, but you were being inauthentic, the greatest crime. And you stopped doing YouTube when your wife Jeff died. Yes. But this is cowardly of you, this is cowardice, right? Because Jeff, Jeff made his own decisions, right? And, like, Bodey's big deal throughout this movie, there's a few more scenes where he does it,
Starting point is 00:45:06 where he gets to have his spiritual monologue, is telling Johnny Utah never feel responsible for anyone else's death spiritually as regularly, like, sorry. Yeah, 100. Yeah, yeah, I clocked that, actually, because I was like, this is, this is, I mean, Bodie's whole philosophy is, like, bullshit, and it is just kind of layers of rationalization on selfishness.
Starting point is 00:45:24 And like I It's a stupid philosophy But I believe that there are people in the world Stupid enough to believe this That's yeah absolutely So they take him hiking In the house I do gotta say
Starting point is 00:45:36 They're sat in front of this burning car That is the source of light in this scene And the light that is bathing them Is fucking green Okay Like The color grading in this They just yeah
Starting point is 00:45:46 No good Anyway This is the point where I know Is that the dialogue in this movie Isn't fantastic It was written by a guy called Kurt Wimmer who we've met before he wrote the Thomas Crown Affair, the modern one.
Starting point is 00:45:59 He also wrote equilibrium, which we liked. But that was not bad. This one's a bit of a swing and a miss. I guess not his best work. But yeah, the dialogue is all quite placeholder. You know, Ray Winston's just like, oh, change your plans, boss. It's a bit like, yeah, you could have, you know,
Starting point is 00:46:18 needed another go. Ray Winston is like talking on the phone, just to remind us that Ray Winston's in the movie, you get a scene of him buy a car on his own talking on a phone, being like, yeah, we're going to pull him out, probably put him on a plane tomorrow. Then he gets the text from Johnny that says, like, I'm in. And he's like, change your plans.
Starting point is 00:46:32 It's the new Volkswagen Tour-Regg, which VW is definitely not fiddling the emissions on. So they take them to the next location, right, which is the Alps. And they're all climbing. There's a lot of, this is where you get the, like, get the fucking Arcteric badge in the shot. and they make him hike up an Alp and the guy who looks like Andrew Tate
Starting point is 00:46:56 whose name is Gromit has, by the way, that means that the wrong trousers is a robbery movie. It is a highest movie. It's on the list. Gromit has like sneaked a rock into his backpack to epically prank him. Nice. And I guess as a spiritual lesson about minding your surroundings
Starting point is 00:47:14 or whatever. They get up to the top of the mountain and that's where you get the line that I was sort of like physically harmed by at the beginning of like you have to find the point break of where you're pointing. There's a point and you break at it
Starting point is 00:47:30 and that's a break point. Slips between like four different accents in the course of one sentence. And Johnny's like, yeah. Yeah. It doesn't even do the like, yeah, or they're not really. Not really.
Starting point is 00:47:40 They start a little fire and I write down, oh, they're doing D of E. Yeah, it's quite cute. It seems like they're having kind of a nice time out. There's a really funny bit because they introduced this section with Bodie, like, picking up some litter in the Alps to be like, you know. And then they start like an open fire on grass,
Starting point is 00:47:58 which is a great bit. Bodhi tells us a little bit more about his philosophy too. He's just like the trials, the Ozaki 8, it's not about adrenaline, it's about honoring the forces of nature, which we all need to do to fight climate change. And it's like, he's on some, well, first of all, if you're going to commit crimes in order to fight climate change,
Starting point is 00:48:17 I can think of some better crimes you might have to commit. Yeah, absolutely. But they're also on some, like, fucking... White guy dressed as Obama, decapitating an oil executive with the Catana? They're on some, like, fucking Timothy Morton's shit. They're, like, trying to become one with the hyper object and, like, letting go of the self and, like, dissociating rather than just like,
Starting point is 00:48:35 it is a structural problem! You cannot achieve individual spiritual enlightenment and thereby fix a structural problem, my guy, like, it's the economy, stupid! Stop base jumping off things! It's also really funny because he's like, yeah, you know, we have to save the planet and stuff for spiritual reasons.
Starting point is 00:48:52 And having a lot of attachments to the, like, earth and stuff, very Buddhist, I think, right? Like, you want to be as attached as possible to it. Also, Johnny Utah mentions one of our earliest crimes was burning down a logging camp. And I'm like, okay, like, you were... You see, now that's it, right? You want to something there, but the diamonds are not really getting.
Starting point is 00:49:13 Yeah, the cash? Like, what is the fucking cash? These guys, they're, like, led by don'tkees. right? Every once in a while it has one that pops off. It's just a writing thing. No, it's, you know, occasionally they'll have one that pops off.
Starting point is 00:49:28 A lot of the time it won't. They're committed to the vision, but the vision is fucking stupid. So they do, they do some more stuff that's fun to film. It's time for another music video. Yeah, they wing suit. This is sick.
Starting point is 00:49:41 Unfortunately, a wing suit is stupid to look at. I'm sure it's really cool, but you are in a sleeping bag. It's got to be so cool. to do about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it does look silly. You are, you're on base jumping and a sleeping back. But, you know, pretty sick, pretty sick, pretty sick, very tense. Oh, cool music video.
Starting point is 00:49:59 Yeah, I would say 20-minute wingsuit segment, and then they get to the bottom, and the boys almost kiss some more. We get the traditional kind of, like the, the Tuck Bearer of the Extreme Sports Guide, the giant woo, Johnny, Johnny does one of those. Still haven't done any crimes. still haven't found any evidence of crimes. No, not a crime is happening yet. No, no, none.
Starting point is 00:50:22 Meanwhile, back at base camp of this Alp. It doesn't even seem like the crimes are that necessary for the vision of extreme sports that they're doing. In the other one, they had to do the crimes because they were financing the cool stuff they were doing. But they've got a financier in this. They've got Alpha Rick. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:40 So why do they need to... Huh? I don't know. But Sam Sara is there, and she doesn't get to do it. She doesn't get to do the same sports as the boys. She's just bouldering. She's at home. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:53 She's literally just down at home doing kind of spiritual shit. She's sunning her whole or whatever. Your name is Sam Sari. You expect her to be a cyclist. So everybody changes out of their wingsuits into what I describe as diabolical petulie fits. Everybody has a different kind of floppy hat. Oh, Sam Sara has one of those big floppy beanies, and it's all in non-binary colors. I was like, no, not the non-beeney.
Starting point is 00:51:19 Fuck, the non-beinerie. That's the name of like a coffee roasting place that's opening somewhere near you and increasing your rent catastrophically. Non-beatery. Yeah, the non-binary. We're giving back to Mother Earth. Great vegan pastries, though.
Starting point is 00:51:37 They hang out. Bodhi makes them say Buddhist grace at the Alpine Zen Retreat, which is, sure, whatever. Sure. Cool. I think this is the bit where the movie intends to be like, here's some romance between Samsara and Johnny Utah.
Starting point is 00:51:50 Saves your actor. Here's this one weird trick, right? If your actors don't have any chemistry. Don't film it any shit they do together. Don't give them any dialogue. They're like, she's still in the movie. They're literally, they're filming them from like behind at a distance of like, you know, 50 feet like holding hands on a rock and it's like
Starting point is 00:52:06 leans her head on his shoulder and it just kind of zooms out. It's like, all right, fine. I genuinely forgot that happened. That's how a little of an impression it made of me. This is where we see the movie get fucking scared about how cool it is to have a protagonist called Johnny Utah because he explains why he's called Johnny Utah. Two Bodie, notably. He goes, my mother was a Ute Indian.
Starting point is 00:52:31 That's why they called me Johnny Utah. I thought they called you Johnny Utah because your name was Brigham, like Brigham Young. But, okay, sure, whatever. He's just making a bunch of shit. He might be lying here. Maybe he's being cynical, but like the movie doesn't in any way indicate. You should think that. It's new ordeal time.
Starting point is 00:52:47 Yes. Oh, yeah. Sixth ordeal baby. This is also where Bodey says you're never responsible for anyone else's life. Your wife died because he sucks and he chose to.
Starting point is 00:52:55 Literal skill issue. Like, I'm sorry. Get good. You got to blaze your glory. Whatever. You know? Maybe your wife should have been better at like mountain biking.
Starting point is 00:53:04 Yeah. If your wife was better at scrambling. Yeah. And so the deal is they got to get down an alp on snowboards. And they're like, this Alp is,
Starting point is 00:53:14 fucking dog shit. This is a terrible out. We're going to die. And Johnny becomes the one inspired by this new confidence to be like, no, I see it. And he leads them down the line. We go straight into the snowboarding sequence, which is, again, well-filmed. It's fun to watch.
Starting point is 00:53:33 Snowboarding. It's, what does it have to do with anything? I don't know. Also, the other thing about this... Again, the crimes have yet happened. Whenever we switch into, like, you know, like extreme sports mode, there's never any tension because it's relying on doing
Starting point is 00:53:47 an actually perilous thing and you know they filmed that right? And you don't care about any of these people so they just do the thing and then one of them a guy you don't care about called Chowder dies and you get a cold duty line where they're like Roach
Starting point is 00:54:03 we lost chowder this movie also has a weird thing where it's like it implies that the way you die whilst doing an extreme sport is you are afraid So, like, shouter is the one who's like, this is crazy, we're going to die. And then later on, spoilers, when Gromit bites it,
Starting point is 00:54:20 it's because Gromit's afraid. And Jeff, the wife, died because he was afraid. And it's like, sometimes, you know, you just get unlucky. You can be, like, extremely confident and relaxed until death. Like, when you're doing extreme sports. Like, it's not just because you get afraid and fuck up, you know, it's a dangerous activity. A couple of really good movies about free solo climbing.
Starting point is 00:54:39 Yeah. If you're in the zone, you can't die. If you're one with the... or whatever, it's impossible for you to die. Speaking of, this is the third
Starting point is 00:54:49 of the fucking, like, tasks. This is the third challenge we've seen them do in a row with no crime. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:54:55 yeah, yeah. They're not taking this shit seriously, as all I'm saying. What was the wingsuit crime? I don't know. Yeah, they didn't do a fucking crime
Starting point is 00:55:02 after the wing suit. The crime was those fucking fits. Let me tell you that for free. But, and then they move straight on to doing the winds of winter and then... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:10 They're doing very mild crimes, like, women on Twitter and getting arrested. Well, if they don't need to do crimes, they just need to give back. So maybe... No, it's sorry. That's fine.
Starting point is 00:55:19 So they find Chowder's body, which fucking Chowder is nominative determinism there. He fell down an out. How did you find enough of him to fill out a body bag? It's so funny. The shot where he goes,
Starting point is 00:55:31 ah! Yeah. We do get... We spooned him into this body bag. When people drop off shit in this movie, they do show you from fucking fall the whole way. That's true. That's good.
Starting point is 00:55:43 That's, yeah, terrifying. I want to know how they did that. Bodie's like, never accept responsibility for anyone else besides yourself and your own need to be epic. Now I'm going to take you in this dead-ass body to the shapes at next location, which is like this kind of bond villain layer
Starting point is 00:56:01 that Alpha Rick has built on the Alps. Yeah. See, this is actually smart on Johnny's part. You could probably like just get these guys to kill themselves rather than take them in for the crime by just like push you good to do more extreme sports. It wouldn't be the first time the FBI have done that, you know?
Starting point is 00:56:16 Yeah, true. Also, still no evidence of crimes. So, Johnny, you tell about a fucking hope that Chowder was a criminal, otherwise the FBI basically just sponsored the murder of a random citizen. Yeah. But he's, like, really affected by Chowder dying here. And it's, again, it's like, do you not think these are the guys?
Starting point is 00:56:33 Mm-hmm. Yeah. What are you doing here? They do, like, a funeral pyre, and they cremate Chowder, which is really funny to be, like, anti-littering in National Park pro-chromation. in National Park, and also it's, like, giving off, like, burning Arcteric's jacket. Also, you need to have fire so hot to cremate a body.
Starting point is 00:56:53 Like, it is hard to do that. Yeah, I mean, he's mostly chowder at this point. They have a parting, and Alpha Rick is there. It's going to smell. Yeah, I guess the surface area. Alpha Rick is so annoying. And he, like, hollers Johnny. Almost certain.
Starting point is 00:57:06 It's just Al-Farig. It is, yes. Which is, of course, like, shitterly racialized, right? It's like this guy gets like, not even Okunia, just like a surname, right? Just like the thing, right? And he like hollers Johnny and he's like, I love extreme sports. You guys are so cool. Thanks for doing what you do.
Starting point is 00:57:26 I love funding extreme sports. I'm in the movie. This almost raises an interesting question about the kind of exploitative nature of extreme sports as being a kind of like, this is something very rich people do to watch young people dying. And also I think like Alpha Rick, you know, he gets to throw a party with all these cool, sexy people. Yeah. And feel cool. Sort of living vicariously through other people's danger.
Starting point is 00:57:47 But it then also weirdly racializes it, notably in the background of this shot, there was a guy in like an Arab headdress as well. And it's like, hmm, mm, don't. Steve Aoki is here. Steve Aoki is here. They say out loud, Steve.
Starting point is 00:58:04 Yeah, Steve Aoki does the, like, cake thing from the video to Alpha Rick. And I'm like... He's the guy who invented garlic mayonnaise? Yes. Steve Aeoli. I am hearing in my head the song that funny feeling Johnny
Starting point is 00:58:20 Johnny goes to Bodie and is like dude I just need to check if you have any crimes Are you doing like anything And Bodhi's like We might do a crime at some point Yeah we give back Trust me we give back
Starting point is 00:58:32 We're not just dining on it on Alpha Rick So he goes to see Samsara And Samara's like I actually I'm gonna give you some hippie fash Just floats into the scene And you're like, ah, hey, hello, Samara. Is this the scene where they make love?
Starting point is 00:58:47 And it's like, yes, of course it is. It's also the scene where you get some law, right? Because she says, her parents died in an avalanche, like James Bond. And she knew Ozaki, right? This kind of mystical, like, you know, extreme sports Buddha, who died in a, in a, in a, like a suicidal fashion, in fact. Because the legend is that he died during the third trial. But actually, he made it.
Starting point is 00:59:09 And it was during the process of giving back, he parked, quote-un-un-class, his small boat. Oh, I've got a drop. Kick me, queen. It's just, this is absolutely verbatim about how Ozarki died. Indians can be powerful. Not as powerful as a whaling ship. You can't fight the whaling ship with ideas.
Starting point is 00:59:35 When you're in the realm of the physical, the whaling ship is so much more powerful than ideas. You can't even fight a whaling ship with a whale. No, it's true. Matt. And they're big. Depends on the whale. Canon, the way of water.
Starting point is 00:59:46 But Bodie was like his protege and he was in the boat when it got like compromised to a permanent end by the whaling ship. He tried to stop a whaling ship and the whaling ship ran him over. Yeah, he parked in between a bunch of humpback whales and a whaling ship, but the whaling ship didn't even slow down. Just like, check that shit out. Call it Bodie McBoatface.
Starting point is 01:00:04 And you get the line, there was one survivor, a young man. And they let that sit for all of like five lines before they were like, yeah, it was Bodie. at this point I crispin potato snacks the movie and I'm like, oh, she's the ringleader. That's an interesting twist, I guess. That's why she's hardly been in it, right? We're giving women stuff to do because of feminism.
Starting point is 01:00:25 This movie, like, resoundingly fails the bagel to us. Oh, yeah. So they have rancid, rancid mid-sex. And almost immediately, as you would. Ray Winston is like, get over here so I can show you sex photos of you. on an iPad, which he does. Because he's like,
Starting point is 01:00:46 some more plot happened. It's really not important. Being in the FBI is mostly boring and gross and you think it's cool because you don't know anything and you're just like on vacation. Yes, if you've been gone 12 days shagging and partying and doing extreme sports,
Starting point is 01:01:00 do you have any evidence of crime? If they've done a fucking crime yet, man? And he's like, no, I don't know, I know. These guys have done extreme sports in every field except crime. Whilst your balls deep in samsara, I'm doing actual fucking police work. Yeah. So he's like, all right, fine.
Starting point is 01:01:20 I'll go back in. I'll ask him about the crimes. He goes back. You get some like half a second of tension where Gromit, who is the one who is consistently mean to him, is like, where have you been? And Bodie's like, I don't care. We have to do crimes now. It is crime time.
Starting point is 01:01:35 It is crime time. Yeah, now is the time for crimes. Like half a line and Bodhi's like, all right, it's crime o'clock. We're going to, we're going to like fuck up a goal. mine. Cool. All right. We're going to rob
Starting point is 01:01:45 the like convoy of gold. Gold ore. But we're not redistributing this one where the plan is to re-burry the gold ore
Starting point is 01:01:55 under an avalanche. As the gold ore convoy is driving along, we're going to blow up the mountain above it and the landslide is going to re-burry the gold ore.
Starting point is 01:02:03 Presumably the gold mining company are then just going to give up on that gold ore and not be like well we're a fucking mining company who probably did that up.
Starting point is 01:02:11 Get it. Did it once. anti-littering pro-Avalanche. Yeah. Not really. Just not really a cohesive ideology at any point. We see them like kind of stop the convoy through a car chase and, you know, they're on bikes and they shoot at some guards as like warning shots and the guards scramble for cover. And then Bodie is about to detonate the thing.
Starting point is 01:02:35 Two guards are still in the way. Johnny saves them and then he immediately blows his own cover voluntarily. and it's like free his FBI. Yeah, because it's only Bodie left on the road at that point. So he pulls the gun and says. Bodie teaches him that FBI stands for freakish boulder immurement by detonating the thing and immediately sending like a gigantic rockslide down the mountain. Bodhi doesn't even flinch.
Starting point is 01:02:59 He's just like, oh, crazy, boom. Yeah, the rocks are all added in post, obviously, as they would be. But that means that he's not acting with any kind of real sense of danger. He, like, goes in, he helps the guys out, and then he goes back into, where the avalanche is coming, to get his bike. And the whole time these rocks are hitting the ground, and you don't think that he's going to get hit with them at any point. We used to throw polystyrene rocks at actors.
Starting point is 01:03:23 Occasionally, it would be in the shot of one of them, like, bouncing off the shoulder blade or whatever. But, like, come on, it did something. Practical effects, it's good. If you're going to have a big scene where actors are in danger, really put them in danger, you know? Light an actor on fire by accident one time, maybe. It's like it's not the movie's fault,
Starting point is 01:03:41 but you can tell that this was made after executives learned the phrase, and you can get the computer to do that, right? Yeah, yeah. Like, they're not paying for a real car to set on fire. They're not going to actually set an avalanchev. You can on the computer, right? A lot of the CGI is good. Like, it's genuinely, like, impressive for the time.
Starting point is 01:03:58 It doesn't always, like, get sold, but, like, that's not necessarily the CGI people's fault. It's just, like, it's not part of a cohesive sort of, like, project. Anyway, he gets on the bike, he chases his bode into the, into the fucking alpine forest and I go, he's about to do the thing, right? He's going to do the thing, yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:16 He's about to do the thing. Nobody throws a dog at him. Yeah, he also doesn't have like an old football injury. He doesn't even have like an old extreme poly injury. He's completely uninjured. He's fine.
Starting point is 01:04:25 He's not allowed to be vulnerable. Ever. Mm-hmm. But so he, he like puts the gun on Bodie and Bodie's like, instead of just the wordless thing from, you know, original point break or hot fuzz,
Starting point is 01:04:39 Bodey is like, I always knew you were a cop. I just thought I could save you from being a cop. I thought I could talk you out of it, which is cute. That's a cute detail. I thought I could teach you to be a cool YouTuber again. Yeah, exactly. And then he does the thing from Hot Fuzz where he shoots his gun on the air. She goes, ah, ah, ab, bah, bah.
Starting point is 01:05:01 Then Bodie just drives away. So we got an interpol, which is a more plausible thing to say that Ray Winston is from, but we don't worry about that. Yeah, where everyone is extremely mad at him. Yeah, it's also just an office. Again, just generic office, like, from fucking Sam. Johnny, Johnny, Utah has a profoundly lesbian haircut in these scenes. He's wearing flannel, that doesn't help.
Starting point is 01:05:22 Yeah. I'm showing this to my headdresser. And he works out, like, in the dumbest possible way, the next heist is going to be in this, like, Italian bank, which is we're already in Italy. Yeah. And so we in a bunch of these Carabinieri are going to have, to drive up there and stop them.
Starting point is 01:05:41 Yeah. Oh, we've cut off their main funding and there's only one bank open today and it just so happens to be the most cinematic bank in the town. For some reason, Del Wendell's like
Starting point is 01:05:52 you're allowed to keep working this case even though you've fucked up so bad. They've got all the guys like files on the big board and we find out that Chowder was Norwegian which I'm just going to just go to park that. Yeah, Norwegian Chowler.
Starting point is 01:06:05 I bet that tastes great. I bet it tastes fucking horrible. So they drive to the cinematic bank And Johnny has said Like if these guys aren't criminals They're like spiritual super mystics But they will also act like criminals Yeah they will also like kill cops on site
Starting point is 01:06:20 Like if you corner them they will open fire And they call them And they open fire And they kill like A dozen Italian cops Yeah Roche just starts fucking blasting It's like best value heat Johnny
Starting point is 01:06:34 Johnny kills Roach shoots him dead Yeah I have a note here Which is Johnny feels bad for his wife, Jeff, dying, following his line. But not about, like, a dozen Italian cops dying from following his fucking idea. That doesn't register at all. He's taking it on board.
Starting point is 01:06:50 He's like, I'm not responsible for this. What if one of those guys was a Jeff? What if he's going to get, like, a separate, like, rib tattoo for every, like, Giuseppe, you know? How many ribs does a human have? He, uh, he, he, like, chases one of them who he thinks is Bodie. Mm-hmm. And he's, like, he's yelling Bodie the whole time. He's like, Bodie, get back here.
Starting point is 01:07:07 Yeah. Yeah. chases them onto a fucking, like, stair lift. And then a cable car. Cable car. Stairlift is a different thing. Yeah. Small cable car, yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:19 And he's like, Bodie, no. And Bodie goes to shoot him. And so he shoots first, takes off the non-presidential helmet. Again, stupid idea. Stupid. To reveal, oh my God, Obama was actually samsara all along. Yeah, obviously it was samsara. She wasn't even the mastermind.
Starting point is 01:07:36 She just was in the gang. a way that required her to not say anything about anything to anyone. And now she's dead. Hey, don't worry. She successfully told you the plot and then had sex with you, and now it's tyrant a killer. 100%. There is nothing in the world's more powerful Johnny Utah than a whaling ship,
Starting point is 01:07:55 and now I am going to die. I really hope that she got to do a little bit of that action and chasing herself, and that wasn't just like a son woman in a suit. I'm like, I come out, give her something to do. But so Johnny feels guilty about this, but not too guilty, because back at Interpol. No, and I'm sorry. First, he goes to the train station and sees...
Starting point is 01:08:11 Oh, you're right. Jason Bourne. Jason Bourne behind the train. But the face that Johnny Utah makes is fucking hilarious. This, like, Sigma faces. He stares already. He looks like a school shooter. Like, he looks like fucking Dylan Roof.
Starting point is 01:08:26 If you Google that, like he does look like a fucking murderer. Like, it's so... His Sigma face is terrifying. Yeah. So, back at Interpol, they're like, well, Bodie's going to do. do this one last challenge, which we've worked out as in Venezuela
Starting point is 01:08:41 and then disappear forever. Yeah. Yeah, the final challenge they've listed out all the challenges here are their names, all eight of them. Number one, Emerging Force. That's the Whitewater Rapid Stuff. Number two, birth of sky. That's skydiving. Number three, awakening Earth. I don't
Starting point is 01:08:57 remember what that is. Then there's Life of Water, which is the surfing. Life of Wind, which is the wingsuit. Life of Ice is the snowboard. And then the last two are Master of Sixth. lives, free climbing, I guess. And then act of ultimate trust. And the thing
Starting point is 01:09:13 about active ultimate trust. Sonsaki 8 is, well, I just read 8. 8.A. Well, whatever. Yeah, active ultimate trust, the last one. The last, yeah, act of ultimate trust, no one knows what it is. Yeah. What the fuck is going on there? What is this? What is happening? This guy invented eight challenges. He died
Starting point is 01:09:29 on the third one. No one knows what the eighth is. Yeah. Why are they doing this? He's got to be in Venezuela. Yeah. Trial 7. Free solo rock climbing Angel Falls. Yeah, the logic is so... It's like, all the rest of these
Starting point is 01:09:44 have been about going down, right, with gravity. But this one's about going up against gravity. It's free climbing. And there's only one cool free climbing spot that isn't within outreach. And that's Angel Falls, Venezuela. You've got to get me illegally into Venezuela. And they go, all right.
Starting point is 01:10:03 Yeah. That's basically about it. It's like, it's not within our reach. He's like, well, come on, let me invade Venezuela. And Darryorne's like, yeah, fine. All right, whatever. So, Ray Winston takes him to Venezuela. And I think I write down at this point,
Starting point is 01:10:17 you cannot get Ray Winston that close to the equator without him turning a shade of red and no human being has ever been before. Yeah. But he's just fine. He's like, he's in the Seagor kind of thing where most of his stuff in this movie is, like, sitting down. He's also still like, he's still just like here in the movie.
Starting point is 01:10:34 He's just, yeah. I'm like, again, there's nothing as good as Gary Busey, like, jacking off to the launch race section. Mandatory, like, visitation with my dad, Ray Winston. Bucy had a whole character. He had an arc, he, like, killed and died. Ray Winston was bad. He ate that sandwich that time? He ate both those sandwiches.
Starting point is 01:10:52 He did. He did. So, he finds Bodie and Gromit climbing Angel Falls, the actual Angel Falls, which is cool. Gromit is afraid. And that's how you know he's going to die, yeah. Gromit is not purifference. heart, like, and so he gets yelled at.
Starting point is 01:11:09 Hey, Gromer, come on. Uh, which I'm saving for the wrong trousers. Um, I, I watched this with two climbers in the room. Really? Really? And, uh, they do the mission. By, by the end of, by the end
Starting point is 01:11:22 of this scene, there was a lot of like indistinguishable climbing yelling. Uh, I was able to discern a lot of the phrase, send it. I don't know that this is a foreign culture to me. Strange. I don't know what that means. I just wrote down some sentences as a kind of stenographer.
Starting point is 01:11:39 We got, oh, that's some proper climbing. Setting this. Ridiculous dynos on this? Evolve a shit for this, very basic shoes. Okay, makes sense. Yes, and shit, I'm kind of into this. So, I think that's a positive review. Yeah, I kind of was too.
Starting point is 01:11:57 It's tense and, like, it's fucking ludicrous, the sort of overhangs and shit that they have to do, like, it's terrifying. If you know what any of those things, mean, don't tell me because I don't care, but I... By the time this comes out, we will have had this conversation
Starting point is 01:12:12 about three weeks before you hear this, alright? If we wanted to know we would have Googled it between now and then, all right? I don't know. I don't need to know what sending it means. I don't care. There is somebody who's like listening to this podcast right now, like hanging off a rock face listening to us as they free climb
Starting point is 01:12:27 fucking something ridiculous. And they're like, I know what that means. It's so frustrated that they die. Maybe don't listen to this episode of the podcast whilst free climbing. Please, in particular, this section, if you are free climbing right now, pause the podcast. I'd like finish your climb before you listen to the rest of it because what's about to happen, may I say you? Don't listen to her. Send it. Send it.
Starting point is 01:12:50 So Gromit lacks true face. And as such, is punished by falling off Angel Falls to his death. Yes. But he doesn't. He like, he can't quite get the next grip and he's just like hanging with one hand. She fails to send it. I guess I'm dead now. Goodbye.
Starting point is 01:13:04 And I just let's go. down. I was like, there it goes. Thanks for being in the movie, Gromit. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:13:09 they climb up to the thing together and, you know, Bodie is on the verge of reaching for a climber's service chalk bag.
Starting point is 01:13:17 But instead, he's like, it's not the whole challenge. Yeah. I'm going to swan dive off Angel Falls because I got ultimate trust.
Starting point is 01:13:23 Drops off it backwards. Yeah. That's number eight, baby. Active ultimate trust. Fuck you. And again, we see the whole fall,
Starting point is 01:13:31 which is great. I love when a movie does that. Not to be like cinema sins, but like, not just because it's too high, but like waterfalls, waterfalls push you down, not out.
Starting point is 01:13:40 It's like, it's a drowning machine, like, weird. Yeah, even if you survive the impact, which you won't because nature falls as a kilometre at all, when you hit it, the water coming down from above you will push your body down into the bottom where you will drown alongside the bodies of all the other people who've already done it and are stuck there. Like, do not do this.
Starting point is 01:13:56 The body just hangs down to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, don't, don't. Very bad. But of course, you know, fucking Johnny, Wisconsin's stuff. survives. Yeah. Ray Winston rescues him.
Starting point is 01:14:08 And he's like, well, I guess there's nothing to do, but wait for the plot of point break 1990 to happen. Yeah. If we've seen point break, we know what's happening now. We stopped him from doing the surfing one. Yeah, he never did the surf one. And so in like 17 months time, as we find out from a thing that says 17 months later,
Starting point is 01:14:27 it's going to happen again. And so he's in a wetsuit. He looks fully like riding. And there's no. about this. Yeah, in the middle of Pacific Ocean, Johnny catches up to him and repels onto the fishing boat.
Starting point is 01:14:41 And he's like, it's suicide out there, man. It's like 100 feet tall waves and you're 150 miles offshore and Bodhi's like, yeah! Here's the thing about this as well is that, like, Bodie might have like
Starting point is 01:14:52 baby's first philosophy for like egotists, right? But that's still a compelling character arc potentially. Yeah. My problem with this is I think this movie likes Bodie too much to make him interesting. Like if you remember the first movie
Starting point is 01:15:06 you think about him doing the like woman kidnapping as misogynist as it was him kind of justifying that is like yeah is this guy just like actively lying is he just like in this state of cognitive dissonance like how much does he believe what he actually says
Starting point is 01:15:23 whereas this guy just fully does because he was traumatized by a whaling ship and you know the Japanese dub they had to change it to a whale research ship but he's he's He's like entirely internally... Researching how good these whales taste. Yeah, entirely consistent internally.
Starting point is 01:15:40 And so he's like, let me go back out there and die because it will be a beautiful death. And Johnny Utah's like, yeah, okay, sure, fine, whatever. They don't argue, he doesn't even try to arrest him. Johnny doesn't say anything. There isn't even a fight. Why did any of this happen? What's going on?
Starting point is 01:15:55 Also, they're too cowardly to have Johnny go, fire condios! Yeah, because they're embarrassed. They're so fucking embarrassed about Johnny Utah. I was waiting for it to say it. It is the triumph of the of the dude, right? Like, this is the kind of thing that like extreme sports culture was like experiencing at the time of the first point break, right? It was being commodified until it was just this.
Starting point is 01:16:18 Mm-hmm. But so he like, you know, gets back on the fucking helicopter, watches Bodie, CGI eat shit and die. He does last longer than Patrick Frazier does. Which again is another act of cowardice on the part of this movie. Yeah, that's true. That's true. You should have just died immediately. Just instantly you should on this one.
Starting point is 01:16:37 I will say, though, by the way, at the end of the scene in Venezuela, Ray Winston gives Johnny his new FBI badge. And he goes, I had it fast-tracked. And I wrote, when you conducted an illegal op in Venezuela with a 33% casualty rate and zero positive outcomes, I knew you were ready for the FBI. You're in, brother. Also, Johnny doesn't throw the badge in the scene
Starting point is 01:17:04 He doesn't, he is in the FBI now He just stays Yeah, what we get is a final Useless Motivational Snowboarding scene With No Dialogue Where he's just in the mountains of Utah To snowboarding And he doesn't throw away his badge
Starting point is 01:17:20 That's bullshit They're saving that for point break two They even watch point break before they made this That's one of the best bits man Does he believe in like Bodie's philosophy but he thinks that being an FBI agent is part of his like, is his like path? Does he like not believe in it?
Starting point is 01:17:35 We don't know because he's too busy fucking snowboarding. He's going to make the FBI cool from the inside. What the fuck? What the fuck was anyone doing here? Was Bodie doing the crimes because, you know, you have to give back to nature or was he being paid by Alpha Rick to do the crimes? Why did he do any of the things that he did? Why did they catch him in the crimes that he must have done to do,
Starting point is 01:17:55 like after the climbing the waterfall? I don't know. What's going on? I don't know. I don't know. This doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. Because it's just a series of music videos with like a paper thin plot in between.
Starting point is 01:18:08 The thing is, this movie exists to sell you. Monster. I feel like they didn't even watch Point Break. I think they just read a list of things that happened in Point Break. We're like, 100%. We can upstage these. Yeah. Yeah, Wikipedia's.
Starting point is 01:18:21 We'll just do a bunch of different extreme sports. Grim, but we don't have to talk about this in a subjective way because we have. An objective, science-based system. Yes, we do. It's called the scum system. It stands for smarm. Cultural insensitivity, unprovoked violence and misogyny. How smarmy is this movie?
Starting point is 01:18:41 I kind of want to say it isn't, because it tries to be and fails so badly. It isn't that smarmy. It's like, it's about a performance of sincerity. Which again, you know, Eurovibes Dubai, like, it's... Yeah. It's got a little bit of like the point where you break. There's like that fucking movie ass line. Yeah, there's like one or two lines.
Starting point is 01:18:59 For the most part, the dialogue's just kind of placeholder that it doesn't really hit Smarmore that much. Yeah. I want to say, like, one or two at this point. Yeah, genuinely. Two? It's completely earnest moving. Yeah, which is sad, actually, but yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:14 One, yeah, it is one. Culture, one? Okay, I'm outvoted. Cultural and sensitivity. It's a mission, but you do have some, like, Saudi-looking guys in the background of some scenes, right? The whole Alpharek thing is so fucking right. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:19:31 Arabs do not have a monopoly on like grim extreme sports stuff, right? It's a real decision to make that your kind of oligarch as well. Also the kind of like the kind of shit that they are doing, like I think about the Saudis sponsoring like power
Starting point is 01:19:47 slap and trying to get sports into Neum and stuff. It's a hard comedy festival. I'm so fucking glad I tapped out of like e-sports a couple of like a decade ago now. because now it's just all fucking Dubai and Saudi and like...
Starting point is 01:20:03 Although, did you see there was supposed to be a big I think e-sports tournament in Riyadh and then enough of the fans and gamers and commentators pulled out because they were like, we're not going because of the... Oh, I hadn't seen that at all. I just seen that it was going to be there.
Starting point is 01:20:17 No, no, no. I think there was like a big to think about it because they wouldn't let trans people in, obviously, and then they'd be so long. Yeah, and I get like, if you're hosting an esports thing, we're not trans people, what the fuck you do it? Exactly.
Starting point is 01:20:28 So this one of the, Like, a mission, for one thing. Yep. Like, you have this kind of, like, Bodhi, Bodhi is doing a basically unquestioned kind of white saviour thing of, like, reigning diamonds and cash on Mumbai in Mexico. And their only role is to, like, gratefully receive these things as part of, you know, that they're like the earth.
Starting point is 01:20:48 They're being given back to, right? I also don't like that you invented a fictional mystical Japanese man. No. It's not phenomenal, no. It's not good. How do we feel about a four or a five? Yeah, I would say it's like
Starting point is 01:21:03 arrogantly racist more than anything else. I don't know, I give it like a... I'd go five. Sure. 100%. Unprovoked violence. Getting the shit kicked out of you in a basement is cool. I mean, here's the thing.
Starting point is 01:21:16 I normally love a guy covered in like blood and grime and stuff, but it's so sourseless that I didn't really register. Yeah, these guys are just, they're too cut, they're too like, fucking... There's no suffering. They've got no body fat at all. They're just like... I don't want to.
Starting point is 01:21:29 I want to see you suffer. I mean, I want to see you suffer, obviously, but I'm not, like, turned on by it. They're kind of, they're pretty perfunctory about, like, killing cops, but, whatever.
Starting point is 01:21:36 Yeah, I was an interesting point you made about the Italian cops not having nearly as much weight to their deaths as Jeff does. They're just kind of, like, background guys who just get fucking known down. What if, what if there is a carabiniere Jeff,
Starting point is 01:21:46 you know, like, and this isn't just me advocating for, like, cop rights here. It's also, like, within the structure of the movie, right? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:54 We get a sort of, like, a hand wave of it where he yells, hold your fire twice and they just keep shooting anyway so then at that point all deaths are sort of on them who gives the fuck
Starting point is 01:22:04 like it's they very clearly just try to like divest Utah of his responsibility there in any way we're not asked to sign off on a phenomenal amount of unprovoked violence I don't think really there's any I wouldn't say so
Starting point is 01:22:17 no I've one or a two yeah keep it low two I go two yeah okay finally misogyny I do oh it's bad I don't like that there's a really only kind of like one named female character in the film I don't like that
Starting point is 01:22:32 her role is to just be pretty and have sex with the main guy even if they're then like oh well she's actually in the gang it's like okay but what were her thoughts on that like she's not yeah I think she's literally only in the gang so that you can have the reveal
Starting point is 01:22:47 that it's her instead of Bodie like they might there are multiple scenes where they just remind you she's in a movie that would have been identical if it had just been like someone holding up a picture of her at the camera for a bit
Starting point is 01:22:59 and then just like... I feel sorry for the actor because she gives what is like quite a good performance even in the scene where she's like telling us about the fucking whaling ship it's like
Starting point is 01:23:06 okay you can kind of predict that she's the ringleader in this, she's got a bit of fucking darkness in her in that scene and I like that but I feel sorry for the actor because this fucking roll
Starting point is 01:23:14 it's just not a ton to do it doesn't go anywhere I genuinely think that in some ways this is more misogynistic than the original really? Yeah because
Starting point is 01:23:24 okay the first one it presents Tyler Ram is a bigger character in that. The SpyCop thing is like a natural thing to do, but it does have a female character who gets lines and kind of motivations. This one just doesn't. And I think this is a kind of like performance of inclusion
Starting point is 01:23:43 that doesn't actually include anything material. And I think that's the thing about this movie that's like really insincere, right? You got one named female character. Every single of a woman in the movie is in one of the dance scenes and you're like zoom in on her ass and that's her entire presence in the movie, right?
Starting point is 01:24:02 The original did that with naked women. It's really grim to be like we have women as set dressing and like now that we've kind of internalized that like woman in peril is like a
Starting point is 01:24:18 misogynistic thing to do, we can't think of anything to do with this one. Yeah, it's like, oh, well, Did all the crew need to be guys? Did Bodie need to be a man? Did Roach and Chowder need to be men? Like, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:24:34 Woman named Roach save me. Did Delroy Lindo need to be a guy? Like, you know, could we have had some... You know, women are half the people that there are. It's true. Since the dawn of time, that's been the case. Can we be in this? Slightly over half, actually.
Starting point is 01:24:52 I think it was like 50-some. You think there'd be some extreme sports athletes other than Samsara, who are women? What did we give the original for misogyny? The original got eight for misogyny. It was into the punitive zone. I think because it used the naked women as set dressing. It's not what, we can't go up to nine,
Starting point is 01:25:06 but I think that it is on parody for different reasons. I think it is too. We can say seven or eight. Yeah, same. Let's go eight then. I'm not distinguishing. Yeah, shit. That gives it.
Starting point is 01:25:17 That gives it a point break, 2015. It gives a total score of 16. That's so low. Which means that it is actually better than the original. it's more culturally insensitive but it's less smarmy and that's where it's picked up the points because it is sincere
Starting point is 01:25:32 it's just kind of like sincerely dipshit The worst part is the the smar I guess made a better movie like out of point break It did yeah Veercon Dios bro Yeah come on that's sick Like sometimes things are small me are cool
Starting point is 01:25:46 you know The script for the original had a bit of fucking source to it Exactly whereas in this one they're like Oh we can't actually have them be called Johnny Utah I need to make up some excuse for why. I'm not saying that line
Starting point is 01:25:58 about the Argos catalogue. I think the original as well, in the dialogue scenes, they did all kinds of cool, creative camera tricks. That does happen here, but it's all in the extreme sports sections. And then the dialogue is just to left
Starting point is 01:26:11 kind of flounder. Whereas with the original point break, I got the impression that during the surfing scenes, we were up against the limits of what could be achieved technologically. Like, you can't have a camera in 1991
Starting point is 01:26:22 inside the pipe of a wave because cameras weren't that small then. can. So it's like, I don't know. Even though the original is objectively worse,
Starting point is 01:26:30 it's way better. I wouldn't recommend this one. Whereas if you want a fun movie, I'd recommend the original. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, definitely. It's why it's in Hot Fuzz.
Starting point is 01:26:38 Mm-hmm. So, yeah, that's point break, 2015. No awards, I don't think. No, I don't think so. Nor from us,
Starting point is 01:26:48 you know. Good night cross for Steve Chisholm. I have a suggestion for our next mainline episode. Yeah. Given that we've got Ray Winston, I want us to finally do Sexy Beast. 100%. I haven't seen it, but alright, let's see it.
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