Kill James Bond! - S4e30 The Fast And The Furious
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Welcome to the first episode of Kill James Bond of 2026.
I am November Kelly.
I am joined as always by my friends Abigail Thorn and Devon.
Beep, beep, listeners.
Cowbonga.
Car go vroom.
How we do it?
And we'll be investigating the extent and nature to which car go vroom more than I think anyone else ever has.
We're going to be thinking about cars because what we're going to do is we're petrol heads now.
Oh, yeah, it's true.
It's true. We're top gear.
Just to go around the room very quickly.
How many of us drive?
I don't...
No.
No, I'm too gay to drive.
Okay, yeah, same.
Same.
That was also my objection.
I'm going to learn this year.
I'm planning to learn this year, but no, I'm still too gay right now.
It's like every time I go to like schedule a lesson, I'm doing something gay instead.
And a lot of that's very accessible by public transport.
So, but that's fine.
Top gear was never about the driving.
It was about the relationship between.
between three terminally British people.
And I think that really we can kind of carry that forward.
You're so right.
We are top gear.
Yeah.
We're top gear with pronouns.
I mean, in my case, it's like bottom gear.
I'm sure, you know, one of us is a switch.
Hey, hey.
What we're going to do is as a sort of subseason of robbery season,
because they are films about robbery in part.
We're going to do.
They're doing heists.
First thing we see is a heist.
every single Fast and Furious movie unless we get bored, which I have to say, having seen
the first one, is a strong possibility for me because I...
Oh, I liked it.
I thought it was quite good.
I didn't think it was quite good, but I enjoyed it.
I was feeling the 55% Metacrassic score for this one.
Really?
Oh, I think that's harsh.
I think it's good.
It kind of drags a bit, but I liked it.
Well, the thing is, there are infinity of these movies.
We are keeping them here.
for four months doing this.
So please have patience.
I'm ready to be hurt again.
Because every franchise we do,
we watch the first one.
And I'm always like,
this is pretty good.
I hope it improves on the problems
in the next one.
And it just gets even fucking worse.
I was like this with Rambo too.
I'm ready to be hurt.
I'm interested to see what the pattern is, right?
Because with Rambo, the pattern was,
like, funny evil, funny evil, right?
it alternated.
Whereas,
whereas this,
I don't know.
We don't know yet.
We simply don't have the data.
I'm also sort of struck.
I'm having a surreal sort of day, right?
Because I went to,
let's call it a community event.
Yes,
I was going to ask for your on the ground reporting on this.
Yes,
yes.
I was.
Live correspondent.
Yes.
Live at the scene because someone posted on Twitter a flyer that they had seen,
advertising,
watching watch me get kicked in the balls one last time before bottom surgery.
God, yes.
With like an address and a time and it promised, you know, big, big huge dyke, big boot, full force execution style.
Yeah, with a flute accompaniment.
And I have to tell you, that delivered.
It was magical.
It was sort of, at some point, we will do the film Barry Lyndon.
and I will get to talk about this again
because it reminded me of nothing so much
conceptually as a duel
in that all of us were there
in this park
in like first breath visible in the air
to watch some kind of communally sanctioned violence, right?
And it was very intimate.
It was very sweet.
I thought it was lovely.
It was romantic, really.
And off of the back of one flyer
and a couple of retweets from like bigger accounts than me,
There were easily 150 people there.
So like, on no notice.
So Glasgow Live Show, we have to do it.
Yeah, I guess we can get the crowds.
Yeah.
That's very true, yeah.
I mean, one of us is going to have to get kicked in the balls.
I'm not sure if we just draw straws for that or if it's like I'm not going to be
hear you're going to have to dig them out and find them.
One of us is out of the game on that one.
Just like cutting to like a medical incinerator or one of us kicking the side of it.
Just like, uh, can take that.
Either that or you can do it on me and I'll just no sell it,
I imagine it'd be very impressive.
Potentially very funny.
Maybe that's what gets the people going.
That's what gets them out is the reaction though.
And this is also the other thing is I got recognized a few times afterwards.
Always a risk.
It never stops being surreal to me that people want to come up and say hi.
I really have two notes for this.
One is because I saw a decent number of people doing the like kind of dare I approach this woman.
Can I bother her?
Look.
I love that look.
I love that look.
I understand that we as a community are an anxious people, you gotta bother me.
Please, I love it every time.
It genuinely is a delight.
Please bother me.
Please come and say hi.
But the other thing is, and I'm going to have to be a bit circumspect here because I don't know if they want me to sort of just like docks them like this.
But I met someone who genuinely I have sort of like a good reason to admire who told me, oh hey, in the midst of some like,
heinous shit that I've been dealing with, I've been listening to the podcast and it's been
like helping and it's like, I don't, don't imbue my work with meaning at like one in the
afternoon.
Shit that was so heinous, we are aware of it.
Like it's like national level heinous shit this person has been through.
The fact that this person listens to the podcast is like fucking crazy.
It's an honor for one thing.
You know who you are.
Fucking big salutes, 07 from Kill James Bond.
news for the two of you and that I fumbled that interaction critically due to being
that's so fun.
Uncaffeinated, freezing cold and sort of hit with the sort of emotions.
In the moment, I choked.
And I just sort of said, it's great.
Thanks for coaches, bye-bye.
I should have given them a hug, really.
Because that's the sentiment.
Like, Jesus Christ.
It's, yeah, I, it never gets old to be told that something that you're doing, like,
helped someone get through something.
But I will say making a podcast for a transgender audience,
statistically like 75% of you right now
are doing the thing that you're about to describe
as I was going through something really bad
and I was listening to Kill James Bond the whole way through.
You're getting through it.
You're just listening to me while you're having a bad time.
It's coming from inside you.
Don't sort of imbue me with the power to do that.
You're doing it.
No, mostly what I came away with was
it's such a delight to be part of a community.
And it felt like, we are, you are.
Like, it's, we are all part of it.
Like, yeah, it just, I came away from that feeling, feeling very sort of connected.
I wish I could have stayed longer and hang out, but I had to come back and talk about
the Fast and the Furious 2001.
We delayed this recording by two hours so you could go to the...
It sounds like November, what you're saying is that it's about family.
It's about family.
I would say that it is about family.
They didn't say that in this movie, but at some point in the serious they will.
Apparently they will.
I think it's about Vindy's or winding up and full force kicking Paul Walker and the nuts, yeah.
I wish you'd done that, but I do, but we'll get into this, but so we begin in two.
We begin in 2001 Los Angeles.
Yes.
Where we'll actually begin with a robbery because they're loading up a ship.
container onto a truck full of like high-end TVs, which at the time was CRT.
It's really good.
A guy gets on the phone and says,
Just packed up a real money load and it's coming your way.
Which first of all, worth, but second of all, that went from being true to being not true to being true again, in the sense that, speaking of family, once again,
I know there are trans women out there who would pay a lot of money for like a vintage 2001 CRT monitor.
our team on as it.
So presumably they were the ones who
execute the heist we now see because
the truck gets boxed in by
three black cars who do a kind of
like Fury Road style
heist on the go where they fire
grappling hooks through the windscreen
and leap into the cabin of the truck. It's very
cool. My truck harpoon.
Also all of them have
like neon green
under lighting
which made, because I watched this
with my wife and my wife went I love
Need for Speed Underground and I went
I love Saints Row so we are
now sort of at war for having
sort of different 2000s media properties
we're in the way reasonable. Yep.
But yeah the these sort of
Need for Speed Underground or Saints Row cars
are used to
harpoon and then
sort of how would you
what the hell do to this truck?
They do Mad Max Fury Road shit like they harpooned
the windscreen off and then they like leap into
the cabin of the truck. It's very cool. Yeah it's the
same weapon both times it like pulls
the windscreen off and then it pulls them into the truck.
There's a truck driver there.
He plays no part or something.
Yeah.
And he like swings the bat vaguely at the person who's like stealing all of his CRTs.
And then they sort of like bundle him into the kind of like footwell of his own truck and steal the...
My Sony Triniton's.
The guy who leaps into the cabin of the truck shoots the truck driver with a dark gun,
thereby earning himself a technical Cronstein Rosette because he attacks the driver the vehicle.
the vehicle he's in.
Two minutes in, perfect.
There's going to be a lot of technical cronsteins in this franchise, I think.
I think we have to give it a separate cronstein.
Like, we have to design a separate colorway of the cronstein badges for this.
No, I like the idea there's just a kind of like hack exploit.
If you just kind of like backflip through a certain wall, you can get a cronting.
I'm walking down the line of like goons.
I'm just putting a cronstein on all of them.
It's like you've done, you've done great.
Yeah, yeah, it's like the Army service revenue.
Yeah.
It's a badly deviant.
badly devalues the Cronstein Rosette that we know.
You'll get the cronstein Rosette for this, Commander.
But so they rob the thing, they get away clean into the night with the CRTs.
Mm-hmm.
We now meet Paul Walker.
My notes say, Paul Walker, comma, pedophile arrives in his silly green car.
Yes.
Paul, yes, two things about Paul Walker.
Please.
Tell us the two things about Paul Walker now that we've spoiled one of them.
I'll start with the first thing about Paul Walker, and I'll let you take the second one,
because the first one's the fun one.
I was watching this with my wife
and she called him Paul Hollywood
the entire fucking episode
the whole time
and now I can't stop thinking about him
as Paul Hollywood
so
I think Paul Hollywood is both alive
and not a paedophile
which is more than could be said
of Paul Walker
he's just a cunt in a general sense
he's not a pedo as far as I'm aware
in wives getting off
better jokes than you
news
my wife saw Paul Walker
and said they call him Paul Walker
because he pulls a perfect 360
which he then does
pretty good
It's pretty good. It's not bad. Should be on here instead of me getting imposterous.
We should just swap out for our wives, actually.
Yeah. So the first thing about Paul Walker is that his name is easily confused with celebrity baker Paul Hollywood.
The second thing about Paul Walker is that he was a paedophile.
He was. I understand that. Yes.
He is dead. He is dead. So I can't sue us for saying that. No. No.
He can't liable the dead.
The thing is, he was dating multiple 16-year-olds sequentially in his 30s, one of whom
he was dating when his daughter was 15.
So,
Paul Walker, not a good guy.
Whatever word is there for that, but paedophile.
Just set this up ahead of time,
not happy with the fact that he's going to be in a bunch of the movies.
Yeah, my man is in Mormon hell.
Well, this was the thing.
When we found this out,
this led to quite complicated theological discussion
in the group chat about the nature of Mormon hell.
I believe that what we came to, after doing a bit of research, is that Paul Walker is in spirit prison,
which is what the Mormons call their kind of redemptive limbo thing.
And then he's going to kind of genuinely feel the anguish of his sin, the paedophilia, and like absence from God and is going to kind of,
his soul is going to redeem itself, then there'll be a final judgment.
And he goes to probably like the least good of the three heavens, unless he doesn't do that in spirit prison, in which case he is going to.
cast into outer darkness.
So that's going to be important going forward.
Right-o, right-down.
Do they get podcasts in Spirit Prison?
You know, I...
If you're in Mormon Spirit Prison, listeners,
Kjb.com slash contact.
KJB ready.
I'd get through Spirit Prison, you know,
I was having a rough time.
We just called that living in.
My soul was getting redeemed
over the course of several hundred thousand years.
Getting sent to male spirit prison
because Mormon hell is spiritually British.
Male, he'd have to be sent to male spirit prison.
Oh, male hell.
The reason why that came up, by the way, is that Paul Walker is also Mormon.
Culturally, not sort of practically as far as I know.
Anyway, the point is...
Certainly not now.
Paul Walker shows up to go to an entirely sepiatone diner called Torrettoes.
And I, with my advanced knowledge of the franchise of remembering that's Vind
Diesel's character's name, go, oh, that's the place that's about family.
That's Vin Diesel's going to be there.
Well, we see some of his family because the lady behind the counter is Mia Torreto,
Vin Diesel's sister in the movie, not real life.
It's about having a sister.
Yes.
And we get the sense that he has been coming back there for a while,
despite the fact that the food is not good.
And that it's shot with the sort of James Bond Specter Mexico filter over the lens.
So everyone looks like they're being exposed to huge amounts of
radiation.
Yeah, yeah.
If you go down to L.A., like, it's close enough to the border that you start getting into
the filter.
Like, there's a kind of Mexico zone of influence, like a sphere of influence where they use
the sepia filter.
I understand that to be the case.
That's right.
Yeah.
I fit to L.A., this is true.
But so she's like, oh, the food sucks.
Stop coming back here.
At which point, and Vindiesla's in the back.
Yeah.
sort of like...
Facing away from the camera, but like clearly Vindies or because he's enormous and bold.
Yeah, doing the accounts, I guess.
Not really clear about this.
At which point his crew show up.
Yeah, with some stupid cars.
The crew comprises two guys who look exactly like, respectively fat and thin Mac in Always Sunny.
Yep.
And one woman.
Hello, Michelle Rodriguez.
It's Michelle Rodriguez playing...
She's dressed the same as they dress her in every movie she's in.
Yeah, I did.
Looking fucking great.
I did write down how the fuck you driving in the new rocks boots.
Like you're not getting any kind of like the pedals or like between like an inch of soul.
I just watched Avatar the other day and she's playing the same character in that as well.
She's great.
Is she canceled?
No, I don't think so.
No, no.
Oh, great.
Because I always love seeing Michelle Rodriguez.
She always gives a good performance.
No, certainly.
I'll let you know.
The various Macs, on the other hand, don't.
And they're sort of the instigators of this, because they come in and they see Paul Walker.
Vince, the big guy and Jesse, the smaller guy.
There's another one isn't there as well.
Like, because Jesse is the one with-
I think there might be.
I have thoughts about Jesse.
Vince is the one who looks like Fat Mac.
Vince is the fat-Mack.
Jesse's the big, nasty one.
Gender one, right?
Jesse's the gender.
Jesse gender, yeah.
Yeah.
So what we get is supposed to be a kind of tense scene of Vince and Paul Walker
eyeballing each other, but what we get instead,
because they hadn't realized that they had to act yet
was two completely vacant looks back and forth
in a shot reverse shot, which is...
Now, hold on, the soundtrack's doing a lot of work
because it's literally going, watch your back, watch your back,
watch you back, watch you back over the course.
Yeah, the soundtrack, and this is so 2000s, I love it.
Yeah.
Just saying what's happening in every scene, like, amazing.
It is a sort of cinema sin of soundtrack over views.
But so Paul Walker is like,
I have taken two bites of this bad tuna sandwich,
I'm now going to leave,
and Vince says to himself,
I can help this guy
by going and giving him some advice
on where he can get a better meal
in an idiom that he'll be familiar
with, which is homophobia.
So he chases him down outside and tells him
Try fat burger from now and you get
yourself a double cheese with fries with 295, faggot.
Thank you for the information, sir.
I'm sorry?
They've got to tone these ads down. This is crazy.
No, this is how all ads should be, I think,
with AI.
It's just all in the fucking Denny's voice.
If you tell any AI ad
service that your name is faggot,
it will offer you this experience now,
which I think that's beautiful.
That viral advert for Big Bill Hell's cause,
it's like,
fuck you, Baltimore!
Yeah.
I love that fucking thing.
Burger King,
where your stupid ass gets fucked six ways from Sunday.
Do we think that fat burger...
Challenge pissing.
Do we...
Hang, I just cook a fat burger real quick.
Yeah, it's real.
It is, real.
I wonder if that was sort of paid promotion.
Or if they approved it, you know, like, Fat Burger is sort of like happy to be the official meal of the guy who calls Paul Walker a faggot.
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Fat burger founded in 1947, nice try.
What were you doing during the war?
He's doing a kind of Operation Burger clip to airlift all of the, like, biggest, like, most culinary Nazis from Hamburg, their home to the United States.
United States.
Yeah, it's like when they left the Nazis, the founder factories.
And, of course, Frankfurt.
There's a movie about this called The Founder, which we'll do at some point.
But so anyway, at this point...
Vince starts a fight.
Yeah, Vince tries to jump him.
The soundtrack says Vince is jumping, Paul Walker.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think you just had audio description turned on.
It's possible.
Vin Diesel reluctantly gets involved to separate this.
And he says, Paul Walker, comma, paedophile, don't come back here.
And also, what you, don't you work for, you work for the card part dealership down the road, don't you?
And he's like, yeah, and he's like, I'm going to get you fired.
I'm going to car on your ass.
Yeah, he does.
He also, he also says to Vince, because he backs Vince up as well.
He says, just apropos of nothing.
He yells all of his lines, because again, Vin Diesel had not really, like, acted before this.
And that's apparent.
He just goes, you embarrass me, which I really like as just like the tense there.
Not just like, you know, you are embarrassing me, but like, no, you shame your house.
I would hate to be told back for always sunny.
It's kind of brutal.
You embarrass me.
Yeah.
Hadn't quite got the knack of acting yet, if you ask me.
I disagree.
I think Vindy's just great acting later on, but we'll get that.
Certainly, sir.
Paul Walker, by the way, every single close up, he has the bluest eyes.
outside of Iraqis. It's fucking crazy.
It's true, yeah.
What happens next? Because my next note just says, in quotes, I smell skanks.
Oh, yeah. So that night there's an illegal street race happening.
Limp biscuit is playing. A lot of bit of Limp biscuit.
Limp biscuit is playing for 20 seconds maximum, which I really like.
You get the rolling, rollin, rollin bit and then it just nothing else.
No more than this is also the first appearance of something that I hope does not become a theme
in the franchise, which is that to establish the scene, we get a lot of shots of cars and of sexy
ladies standing around the cars.
Yeah, it's a very major focus.
Yeah, there's a lot of sexy ladies as set dressing.
And I'm like, I started to get worried, right?
This is the 2000.
So these are all alarmingly thin sexy ladies as well.
Yes, they are.
Somebody owns Paul Walker for being white by calling him Snowman, which is pretty good.
hilarious. But Vin Diesel and his crew arrive, and he says hello to two sexy ladies.
And this is the point where Michelle Rodriguez walks up to these two sexy ladies.
First of all, she says, meow, which I'm always saying this.
And then she says, I smell skanks and tells him to fuck off because she's jealous.
She's dating Vin Diesel.
There's two things going on here.
The other is the kind of Auntie Don a bit about how men were socialized by just saying numbers to each other.
Because Paul Walker meets a guy called Hector and he like pops the hood of his car.
And it's like an, it feels like an hour and a half of, oh, yeah, I got the 27.
Oh, you would have lived in 25, 38.
And he's like, yeah, bro, 100%.
Yeah.
I don't know enough about cars.
This could be fucking gibber.
They could be describing the contents of the fucking TARDIS for all I know.
But I'm like, cool.
Everyone, they're like, ooh, car.
And Paul Walker's like, yeah, car a whole lot, man.
Car.
Car.
Coal loads.
Whoa.
four wheels and everything.
Guy comes over and it's like,
is this your car?
And Paul Hollywood's like,
I'm stood next to it, aren't I?
And then you get a line where he's like,
it's not how you stand next to your car,
it's how you drive it.
That's so true.
It's all that for the whole movie.
That's really philosophical.
So,
Paul Hollywood has installed a nitrous oxide system
in his car,
despite the guy, the autoparts guy who works for
warning him that he's going to, like,
destroy his car if he does this.
And in order to,
and he does this,
in order to challenge Vin Diesel to a race.
And because he doesn't have any money,
he races him for the title to his car,
like a need for speed underground.
Yeah.
It's great.
He's got,
if I lose,
you guys have the car,
but if I win,
I get the money and the respect.
And I think it's really funny to out loud be like,
and if I win this,
you guys have to like me.
He's like so fun.
In fairness,
that does get them to laugh at him,
which is deserved.
Yeah.
But so Vindiesl agrees to this, and they do a race featuring the finest CGI of the early 2000s.
They do a race, baby. They do a cargo room.
I quite like, I quite liked this because there's some, I mean, like, how to show something on a screen is moving fast, more difficult than you'd think.
And like, they do some creative stuff here where the horizon kind of warps, like when the enterprise goes to warp speed.
Which I quite like it.
They're trying to get a little creative with it. I like it.
I was a bit disappointed when I realized the race is just a straight line.
Yeah, it's like a one mile straight line.
Yeah.
Isn't that the easiest shape?
I think so.
Yeah, but it's about speed.
Yeah.
It's pure speed.
If you don't have to worry about like turning corners,
you can really concentrate on how fast you're going in a straight line.
This is illegal because in America they kill you if you try and race a car not in a circle.
Well, oh.
Yes, absolutely.
Okay, okay.
This is a circle country.
It's, this is oval territory.
But so Paul Walker, he presses the button at the critical moment to like fire up the nitrous oxide thing.
but it's been miswired or something
because instead it makes the floor of his car
fall out like Fred Flintstone's car.
Yeah, he goes to ludicrous speed.
It's crazy. The whole hyperdrive shit starts hitting.
Really good.
Also, his like NOz monitor
comes out of his like disc drive
as a little screen that comes out and flips up.
His car's got like computers in it.
Technology should never have progressed past this point.
I love the idea of doing a big heist for my thick-ass
CRT TV.
my little awful, like, tape deck in my car.
Don Torreto starts his fucking, like, boombox in the back of his car going,
and you see these awful, like, fucking stereophonic speakers start bumping.
Fantastic.
That's what's up.
Don wins the race, and Paul Walker.
Yeah, Paul Walker spins out.
He, like, overflames it.
Yeah.
He drives honorably, but, like, too close to the edge and destroys his car.
Yeah, yeah.
And then they have a little.
a bit of repartee.
And this genuinely felt like it was going to burst out into a musical number.
It did actually because Vin Diesel's kind of like walking around his car, like talking to the
crowd like, oh, your car isn't much car at all now.
You car two car to the car.
Seven, twenty eight.
Oh, you wish you got a 59.
72.
Don't you?
Oh, cars.
There's also a bit where like, where Vin Diesel explicitly refers to me.
Michelle Rodriguez as his trophy.
That is explicit.
And a bit that we missed earlier on is one of the other drivers,
as they're about to set off,
a sexy lady comes up to his window
and invites him to grope her titty.
So, like, women are the reward you get for driving fast.
But they're very fickle too,
because she says to him,
you can have me if you win or lose,
and then he loses,
and she goes, get the hell out of here, long beep.
Mind you, that is jar rule.
And it's like, yeah, it is jar rule.
It's really.
That is 2001.
Jan-Rul, yes, it is.
Oh, all right.
A guy who was willing to do a song for the end credits, if he could be in the movie
and be shown absolutely striking out with two women.
I don't know what's up with that.
That's pretty good, man.
All right.
It's like the kind of bargain I'd make to be in a movie.
I want a cameo, but you have to shoot me in this hotel room chair.
So, yeah, Vin Diesel is very much doing the kind of like actor in a musical.
about to break into song voice for this.
It's striking.
But he's like, this is a life lesson for you, Paul Walker, about how you should, I don't know,
always mind your surroundings or something.
And he's interrupted by the police, the LAPD.
I have to say, because there is something wrong with my brain, the LAPD, Chevrolet Caprices,
please me more than any of the like VroomVrum cars that I've seen so far.
These old-fashioned cop cars are cute, actually.
They should go back to these.
We should knife the cops.
Absolutely.
They should only be allowed to have the sort of aqua car
from Germany that we saw that one time.
Yeah, so everybody flees in a different direction.
And we stick with Dom, with Vin Diesel.
He like hides his car and tries to get away on foot.
Unfortunately, this does not help him because in Los Angeles,
it is illegal to walk anywhere on the sidewalk.
And so the cops are immediately like, kill that guy, get him.
They recognize him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're like, that's Dom Torretto from Fast and Furious.
They're like, get on the mic, like, stop.
Yeah.
And he runs from the cops and he's about to get a got,
but fortunately, Paul Hollywood is there in his car that Vin Diesel technically won.
Yeah.
To pick him up and drive him on.
Get him a lift.
There is a little bit of a cool car chase, the cops crash.
Pretty good. Yeah.
My note's say, Paul Walker evades the police art imitating life.
This is, that's true.
That is, it is also in firmly in the,
we had a cop car budget of one camp of police chases.
Yep.
Which is, if you compare that to something like Frank Transporter 1,
where it's like we have infinity cop cars, the second one is much better, but it's fine.
But so they get away.
And we see that Paul Walker is still doing his like, okay, you have to respect me now.
You respect me, right?
Are we friends?
Do you like me?
Did I unlock your loyalty quest?
You've admitted me to be in a circle, right?
It's like, stop saying that.
Like, that's a surefire way to not get into the inner circle.
When, as they're sort of like discussing this, the natural enemy of the car racer, the bike racer.
Yeah, yes.
They've, they've, they've, they've, they've, fleed from the LAPD into someone else's territory.
Motorcycle territory now.
I love the idea of motorcycle territory.
It's his, yeah.
The whole world is mad max when you start making a movie about cars.
It's just like, yeah, the motorcycles live.
around in Chinatown
in front of a fucking statue of Confucius
or something.
They do, there's a sinister statue of Confucius.
There's like a real flattening here
because we are in Little Saigon,
but there is a statue of Confucius
which did make me look to see
whether or not Confucius had an entry
on the Fast and Furious Wiki.
Sadly, he does not.
Please remedy this.
But so...
Yes.
The Vietnamese gang.
These bikers,
Johnny and Lance Tran,
The Tran brothers.
The trans.
Hello to these two trans.
Did you recognize one of these actors?
I did, but I couldn't place him.
I don't know.
Hello to Rick Youn, aka Johnny Tran, who was Zhao from Die Another Day, last scene having diamonds
thrown into his face by Prince Bosnia.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Good to see you, buddy.
Looking jacked as hell as well.
Again, like, not usually one for men, not usually one for men, but, um, god damn, looking good.
Everyone in this movie, every man anyway, has a distinctive cool leather jacket.
And also.
Yeah. Really horrendous boot cut jeans.
Yes. It's genuinely striking watching people get in and out of cars in this film because the boots, the boot cut jeans, they don't bend.
It's just like a whole leg just comes out like a drain pipe. It's remarkable.
So the trans, the trans are like, hey, we know.
What are you doing in our fucking motorcycle territory? Four wheels.
Yeah.
What's the matter? Don't have a sense of balance?
Nice, nice wheel that'd make a great two motorcycles.
And so, they fake them out as well because they kind of threaten them a bit and then leave and then change their mind, come back and shoot at the car until it explodes.
Yeah, they spray the car with bullets.
It's because they both go like, whose car is this?
And like, Paul Hollywood's like, well, it's his car.
He won it.
And Vindies was like, well, I haven't taken ownership of it yet.
So that like, St Tran's just like, okay, so it's no one's car.
Okay, fine.
This is car nullius.
I guess we'll shoot it.
Yeah.
And the thing blows up and like flies into the air because it's full of nitrous oxide.
Okay, sure.
Cool.
At this point, Dom is like, okay, well, we'll go back to my place because now you actually are in the inner circle.
And I write down, oh, this is point break.
Yeah, it's point break.
It's point break.
It's point break.
Yeah, yeah.
Once you realize that it's spike-off.
It's crazy how much it ticks all of the same boxes in the same order.
It's point break.
Late 90s, early 2000s, they only knew how to make point breaks.
Like, the only plot that they would let you make is cop goes undercover in sub-community.
Shown to my 50-year-old father point break and asked how he would make it now, and he cries and says, we can't, we don't know how.
The same plot is Avatar as well.
Well, we've seen.
Oh, shit.
What the fuck? That's an incredible realization.
It's all point break.
Everything's point break.
Everything's point break, except the remake of Point Break, which was just a series of music
videos.
9-11 being transgender and point break.
These are the things.
So they go to the house party where there is a male-gays, lesbian make-out happening.
Yes, absolutely.
One thing I do like is that Mia, like, Paul Walker's love interest, sees him coming.
is like, oh shit, that's my love interest, and like it sort of does her hair a bit,
which makes her a bit more agency, I guess.
Yeah, it's nice, it's nice, but it like lets her even slightly want him as well.
Yeah, it makes her a bit less of a trophy, but then the rest of the movie.
Yeah, so, um, obviously.
Mid-Diesel enters the function and is like,
why the fuck are you guys throwing a party?
You all just let me almost get arrested.
You're celebrating me going to fucking prison or what?
He takes Max.
He humiliates.
Mac from Always Sunny again by taking his beer, his Corona, the only kind of beer in this movie,
out in his mouth and like delivering it to Paul Walker and is like, okay, I'm going to let the
paedophile drink your beer instead of you. How do you like that? I'm giving your beer to the
peterfile. How do you feel about that? I would hate to have my beer taken from me and given to a
I don't want him at my house party. No. Can we please get him out of here? Yeah. But they're not
I'm gonna because as Vin Diesel goes, I'm not getting the paed
out of this house pie because he saved my life
unlike you motherfuckers.
Yeah, exactly.
There's also a moment here where one of Vin Diesel's boys is making out with a girl
and feeling her up and Vin Diesel tells him, take it upstairs,
you can't detail a car with the cover on.
So women are cars, remember that.
That's Jesse making out with that woman implausibly, which is crazy
when you actually find out more about Jesse.
Yeah, don't believe that.
Yeah.
Well, Jesse could be a lesbian
The various Max
I think that she is
Yeah
Have a kind of now strained relationship
With Paul Walker
And they kind of threaten him a bit
And then Mia is like
Okay, come upstairs and have sex with me
Or whatever
Like, yeah
No, she's actually like
Let me give you a ride home
Ah, same difference
She gets them out of the situation
They do not have sex
Yeah
Oh also this is this is the first
Mention of
An event that I'm not going to name yet
But just to keep the surprise
but a little car event in the desert.
They say at the end.
There's a big event coming up.
Like, oh, we're doing like a meetup in the desert that's got a name.
Yeah, we call it the denouement, right?
Like, and we don't call it.
We call it something else that the cast of Kill James Bond
we'll talk about later.
But the next day, Paul Walker is out in the truck
and he gets pulled over by the cops and arrested.
And at this point, he must be thinking, oh, fuck, they found out I'm a pedophile.
They take him in.
And it's a fake out because they
go to the cop house full of cops.
The LAPD would never arrest a famous paedophile, as we know.
That's very true.
Yeah, that's very true.
We can be clear about that.
If you see the LAPD arresting, arresting a famous pedophile, the one thing you can
be absolutely certain of is that it's not related to the paedophilia, right?
So they take him to like a house in the Hollywood hills.
Yeah.
Or Switzerland, as Roman Polanski did.
Vincent Buliosi, the then DA of LA County, has a story about just incidentally being like,
oh yeah, I hid a tape of like, destroyed a videotape of Roman Polanski abusing his wife when she got murdered.
So, you know, basically-
The LAPD just do this, right?
We'll do LA Confidential at some point.
Anyway.
Kill every American.
Paul Walker is an undercover cop.
Yes.
been sent in by a combined LAPD FBI investigation into who's been robbing these trucks.
Yeah.
We're point breaking.
The FBI guy is like, we got a, like, there's time pressure on this because if we don't handle
it, kind of disco-alegium style, the truckers are gonna handle it, right?
Yeah.
The character of the trucker in this movie is so fascinating.
We'll get into it more in the final scene, but like, I just love this concept of the truckers
are going to start dealing with it.
They're going to take matters into their own hands.
They're a state within a state.
Yeah.
They're like, if we don't stop these CRTs being stolen from the truckers,
they are going to take matters into their own hands and we, the FBI can't possibly stop them.
Well, here's the thing about a trucker, right?
They're going to do a freedom convoy.
If you, if you rob a trucker of his CRTs, he owns all of those, all the stuff in the back,
they own that, right?
That's why they're so incentivized to defend it with their very lives.
The second a truck driver takes ownership of like parcel.
He owns that until he gives it to you.
It's technically his property.
Absolutely.
There's Tom Barry in this scene, by the way,
playing the sort of FBI guy.
Wonderful.
Cool.
And they said it pretty clearly like,
okay, get close to Tarasso,
find out whether it's him or not.
Because if it's not him,
he's so big of the underground racing scene.
We think that people doing this are our surfers,
excuse me, races,
because they always rob in car,
and they're good at it.
So if it's not Toreto, he'll know who it is.
So get close to him, but also watch out for him because he could be trouble.
So, yeah, because we know that he's violent.
He's a violent guy, right?
He's got a previous conviction for beating a guy almost to death.
But so Paul Walker's character, Johnny Utah, Age of Consent Law, like shows up at Dom's garage
the next day with a like totaled car.
garage.
Like a wreck.
Yeah, and it's like, all right, I guess I'm in the inner circle now, right?
So because I owe you a car under sort of car driver laws, I have to restore this car at your garage and then give you the car.
Yeah, we'll fix it up together in like a romantic montage.
And then we'll use it to race Johnny Tran in the desert at the big de Numer event that will happen last.
at the thing that happens later.
We'll keep holding it back.
Drives you insane when you hear it.
Incidentally, this all gets very sexual, very first.
Like Mia says of Dom to Paul Walker,
oh, he owns you now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dom says, the fact that he's called Dom,
says, I got to get you racing again
so I can make some money off your ass.
Every line is so.
intensely homoerotic in this movie.
And I can't imagine that stops in the future.
No, I think this was just the kind of like the 2001.
I don't think the latent cultural queer phobia had like,
it was still around, obviously,
but I think in recent years it's really gotten turned up.
And I think now people are like,
oh, that's a bit gay.
But back then, this was just like fucking homo-social shit.
Yeah, this is the kind of homosociality that you could do
where so long as you called someone a faggot
while you were recommending them a burger,
you could fully like spit in their mouth.
and it would be like straight guy stuff.
All the men are gay, all their girlfriends and lesbians,
and like, and that's normal.
That's standard.
And some of the men are women, too.
Some of us survived these environments, you know,
and without even the benefit of having to, you know,
having killed James Bond to listen to.
Like,
but you know who is definitely listening to Joe's Bond?
It's Jesse.
Oh, yeah.
Because Jesse and Paul Walker, comma, pedophile,
have this chat about what they're going to do with the car.
Jesse comes up to me.
after a live show and is like, hey, I work in a garage, like, doing stuff to cars, and I really
like your podcast. It really helps me feel a bit less sort of, like, isolated. Yeah. Because it's a really,
like, cis-hatt energy. Jesse has some, has some gender. Jesse gender. I think I described Jesse
as a gum-chewing, ADHD having painted fingernail-wearing faggots in my notes. Yes. Yeah, that's true.
But every time I speak of the painted fingernail having faggots, I do so with great affection.
I hope that's clear.
Oh, I was the painted fingernail having faggars.
I literally am.
Yeah, like I see myself in this, in this, motherfair.
You're allowed to paint you in there, you're a woman.
It makes sense.
Oh, I'm the gender that's allowed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
That's normal gender now for you.
That's why you did it, right?
Yeah.
Jesse, Jesse is like, okay, so I used to be some kind of genius, but then I dropped out of school because I was,
was having some trouble with my mental health.
For reasons I couldn't quite put my finger on at the time,
I just felt very depressed and sort of alienated.
I probably, like, had...
It felt really weird getting changed for PE.
Yeah.
Really weird, I don't know.
Yeah, and had ADHD as well.
Yeah.
Specifically says, there's something about engines that calms me down.
This is...
Yeah, this is real.
This is one of us.
I'm sorry.
like.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
We fully claim Jesse.
Absolutely.
I'm excited for Jesse to really like develop and blossom as a character that we can really
kind of take as, you know, sort of under our wing.
Absolutely.
I look forward to Jesse being played by a trans person in later.
I'm sorry.
Jesse will be excited.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm a fan of Jesse.
But so he spent some time working on the car and we also find out that it's about family.
And in, in Dom's culture, brackets never defined.
food is very important
and family is also very important
in their culture.
They had a little barbecue
which I quite like
and even Vince is initially unhappy
that Paul Walker the paedophile is there
but then he comes back
as he rejoins the table
he kisses Vin Diesel's bald head.
Fascinating.
My note say would you get that now?
No, I don't think so.
I really don't think so.
Vin Diesel makes Jesse say grace
because as a family
they're also about God
brackets again kind of ill-defined
Yeah
They don't even use the word God actually
Is there something perhaps
cynical about the marketing of this
That it's like
sort of suggesting that this is a very specific thing
that most people I would suggest
can relate to of like family food culture
Being sort of packaged as like
Damn it's crazy how specific this is
Potentially outside of the Nordic countries
I don't know anything about the market
It's kind of the same thing, peeky blinders ended up becoming in pop culture.
Anyway, so Vince McRomew or Sonny, kind of sexually menaces Paul Walker as he's in the kitchen cleaning up after dinner.
Yeah, he does.
He says, and this is verbatim, I didn't get it as a drop, just see if this activates anyone.
Me saying this.
Where your favorite dress, because I'm putting you on the street where you belong, cutie.
Pretty good.
And he says that, yeah, he just says this to Paul Hollywood.
Unprovoked, for no reason, just being like,
hey, by the way, you're a woman and a sex worker.
And, like, just tick all of those three boxes off at once.
And it's like, come on.
You did this to try and establish kind of sexual dominance over him.
Yeah, like homophobic harassment is, yeah.
And transphobic as well.
Like, there's a sort of mention of dress wearing.
It's like strange.
But to sort of spite Vince, Mia asks Paul Walker out on a date, like, in front of Vince.
It's like, why do you take that to do that?
Yeah, like a specific sort of emasculation.
I like the idea of you being in a dress, actually.
You would hate to be the date, the date sort of that you get for, like, to spite someone else, you know?
But whatever.
Yeah, like that runs out after like the first minute, I would say, of being on the date.
Yeah.
Like, what do you talk about after that point?
Yeah.
Probably just about how nice the dress you're wearing makes you feel.
We see them on that date and we see that Paul Walker is like, um, comparative, like 2001
sensitive in that he, he tries to say like, hey, just so you know, you have value as a person
and an individual.
And he lets, like, I'm doing heavy air quotes here.
Let's her drive him in her car as well.
Oh, no, I'm sorry, no.
We need to like slow down because a couple of things happen.
The first thing that was, sorry.
Yeah, we're skipping way ahead.
That happens way later.
Paul Walker just does like RPG dialogue trees where he's like,
tell me more about Dominic Toretto.
Tell me more about family.
Yeah.
Just click on the highlighted word family in the text.
What I've done is I've displaced the date later to earlier in the narrative.
The next thing that happens is he goes back to work and Hector, the guy from the street race,
shows up.
And here's a really funny line, which is he says that he wants three of everything.
I made a list, which you have to imagine as a short list, just as three of everything.
Now, this is a classic misdirect, because obviously our undercover cop here is looking for three identical, heavily modified Honda Civics for the heist.
So he's like, oh, Hector's ordering three of something, and he like name drops for it's for Hondas as well.
So, like, oh, maybe this is our guy.
That means that he goes that night to break into Hector's garage.
Yeah, warrantless search.
Yeah, is instantly knocked unconscious by being hit over the back of the head with a shotgun butt, which, ow!
Yeah, that would hurt.
And Vince sort of drags him in front of Dom and says, again, another strange light.
Vince has some stuff going on. Vince, Vince is on Grindr, first of all. He says,
he moves like a cop.
He moans like a cop. He moans like a cop. He moans like a cop. And I checked to the subtitles. Yes.
Really?
Can you hit me with it again?
Yeah.
Moes like a cop.
Moens like a cop.
Are you sure?
I checked the subtitle, genuinely.
He moans like a subtitles on Amazon.
Okay.
I don't think so.
The subtitles otherwise seemed accurate.
They had like punctuation.
They were well timed.
I think that's pre-A-I sub-tied moves,
but he says it like moves.
So like maybe he does say moans.
Who knows?
He, it's immediately after he like grabs him and Paul Walker moans.
And he goes,
moans like a cop. It's a conversation you're having with the filmmakers, you know, you build this
sort of interpretation. Yeah, you bring your own meaning to it. Yeah, exactly. I don't know that even I
have a sort of database entry for how a cop moans, but I do believe that's the line. Of course,
I would never fuck a cop, so I hope never to find out. Yeah, moans like a cop. I have sex, so when they
moan like a cop, you're like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I don't know.
Yeah, if you're a cop, you got a moan out immediately. Yeah, if they do spy cop shit to you,
They do, legally, they have to moan like a cop, yeah.
The also cop-o-ophile, if you go, are you a cop, and they go,
then you know, you know.
But so, he convinces them that he's not a cop, by virtue of going, it's about family.
And he says, I was trying to find out whether or not they were, like, cheating or something
ahead of denouement event.
Yeah, ahead of the race.
And Donald's like, I believe this implicitly,
let's go and check on the trans.
And so they sneak into the Trans Garage.
Just before putting on an episode of Kill James Bond.
They sneak into the Trans Garage.
A lot of really well-fitting mechanic suits in that.
A lot of CRDs in there too.
Yeah, and DVD players, weirdly.
Yeah.
And Johnny and Lance Tran
bring in a, like, they come back, almost catch them, but they've brought in a guy who they think has snitched on them.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And because this movie kind of remembers it, it's a crime movie at this point, they try and like, force-feed-him motor oil in a kind of three kings way.
It's a little bit horrifying.
Yeah.
It's to establish that the trans are dangerous.
Yeah.
Um, entering into sort of male spaces, etc.
After they're done, like, sort of like making him drink motor oil, Johnny tells him to, like, kiss his shoes.
And then when he tries to, he like, kicks him in the side really hard, which is...
I thought you'd like that bit.
Yeah, I appreciate it.
It's a classic Dom move, for sure.
Yeah, it's good a Dom move in the sense of the movie, Dom.
That's a classic Domteretto move.
Yeah, yeah.
That's actually what Dom is short for in the sexual context.
Yeah, Dominance Toreto.
Dominic Toreto.
It's a Dom-sub relationship, Dominic Tereto and me.
24-7 Dominic Toretto relationship.
Which one are you?
That's literally just Pillion.
You're describing the film Pillion.
We're doing it at some point.
We will do it soon, I hope.
But so they...
Fuck, they're like...
The FBI are like, it must be the trans.
We're ready to pin all the...
Yeah, it's the trans.
evils of the world on the trans, you know,
which was ever thus.
At this point, one of the FBI agents says,
oh, I fucking Johnny Utah,
Paul Walker paedophile.
I think that you don't think that it's Toreto
because you're too busy hitting on his sister.
Like, I'd get off on surveillance photos of her too
and Paul Walker attacks him.
Yeah.
But then you're basically like,
are you sure it's not Dominic Tadourner?
You're not going native, are you?
That's the expression that they use.
It's a classic kind of undercover cop thing
of like, oh, maybe you're getting like real loyalty to these people because of how about
family it is. And so, Paul, because like, no, trust me. Give me, give me like a, you know, 24 hours
or whatever. Can I ask the question? He says, give me some time and the guy goes, if I, if I want
time, I'd buy the magazine or something like that. And I think that's a really good line. I like
know, I might use that. Can I ask a question? Yeah. If I wanted people, don't know.
You know how in the lives of others. I wanted news.
If I wanted a private eye
If I wanted to find out about USA today
If I wanted the London review of bucks
You know how in the lives of others
They had to invent a Starzy agent
Who was nice
And that never really happened
Has there ever been a cop
Who has like
Found out how about family it is
in the spaces they've infiltrated
and therefore had a change of heart?
Does that ever happen?
So this is an interesting question.
There's a lot of spy cults would have claimed
that's what happened, for sure,
when they were selling their books to the...
It's sort of unfulsifiable
because if they do and it works,
then they would have an incentive to lie anyway.
There's a number of guys in like the Russian Revolution
who were like,
Zaris secret police and also Bolsheviks
who ended up when the Bolsheviks won
being like, oh yeah, I was with you guys
the whole time.
It might have been true.
For some of them, we don't know.
In terms of, like, modern police fans, I can't think of a time when it's, like, happened.
And, like, the closest I can...
One in the LAPD, yeah.
Was Serpica, arguably, like, no, wait, that doesn't...
It doesn't quite map.
Yeah.
Chris Dornow doesn't quite map.
Well, listeners, if you're an undercover police officer, write in.
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So he breaks into Dom's garage,
where Dom has a really sick...
He doesn't break in.
They're just walking.
He just walks into Dom.
Yeah, Vin Diesel welcome to him and says,
let me show you this very silly car.
Do you want to see my awful fucking car?
You see my stupid car?
This is post date.
They have the date and then they go to...
I'm sorry, I think the Dodge Charger with the gigantic air scoop is cool.
But like, he's like, this is my backstory car.
I have it because of trauma.
Yeah.
I like Vin Diesel's acting in this scene because he says my dad was a stock car driver.
Another driver put him in the wall dangerously.
And I watched my dad burn to death.
A couple weeks later, and I saw a little.
the driver who did it out and about
and I went to
punch him and I just sort of lost control
and kept punching him and that's the guy almost beat to death
and I like Vin Diesel's acting in this scene
that he's almost like still
confused about why he did this
and we're like oh shit
and he says when I race
I feel free like I don't have to keep
myself on a leash all the time and it's like oh wow
that's actually quite well written and well acted
yeah this is this is when he says the line
which is I live my life
a quarter mile at a time
I sort of like am aggressively against the idea of like thinking anything through.
Incidentally, one of the things he says of the guy he beat almost to death is that he is now a high school janitor and he has to take the bus to work every day, which is the ultimate kind of emasculation.
He doesn't drive his own car or anything.
Yeah. He caused him his ability to drive.
Fuck.
Meanwhile, like during the date scene between Paul Hollywood and his love interest,
Mia Torado. We get a very
like perfunctory sex scene
between Dom and
Lettie just sort of to
remind us that the guy's straight basically
because he's done nothing but be on.
I'm watching the, I'm scrubbing
through the TL right now. The only other thing
is that he says that he's never
driven the Dodge Charger with
the gigantic airscuit because it scares
him and it
was his dad's car. Yeah.
Oh yeah, you're right, you're right.
Yeah. So on the date,
between Paul Walker, Brackett's,
Peterfile and Mia Torado.
Paul Walker's doing this.
His dialogue tree thing,
he's like, tell me more about this shit.
There's also a moment where she says,
Mia Rodriguez
lived down the street from Dom,
and then she turned 16,
and Paul Walker,
Peterfile says, oh yeah,
and then Don was really interested in her, right?
And it's like, uh, what?
Presumably that was age appropriate in the script
if they were the same age,
but Paul Walker was different.
that shit at the age he was in the film.
Yeah, don't like the look in your eye on that line then.
Then they go for a drive at the same time as a heist is taking place.
Interesting.
It's not a heist.
It's, we get an awesome cop montage.
Oh, yeah, it's the SWAT thing, right?
That's later, that's immediately after this.
Yeah, it's the next day that they're like...
For sure, I'm scrubbing through the fucking...
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
But so, like, the next, the next,
day, they get Paul Walker back into the cop thing and they're like, all right, we don't believe
you and also we don't care and you're out of time. We're going to do the trans raid anyway.
And they let him take part, like in sleeping dogs. They put the undercover guy in a balaclava and
they let him do the SWAT stuff. And point break. But you can tell it's him because of his blue
ass eyes. Yeah. He slept with Mia at this point. So he's done spy cop shit to him. He has.
Yes. Yeah. So they raid what the FBI guy describes as Tran and company. And
It's just, it's a montage.
While this is going on, Vin Diesel and Michelle Rodriguez fucking a garage.
We appreciate the 90s SWAT team aesthetic with the MP5s.
That's kind of cool.
But they arrest all of the trans, which, you know, I think we all knew was coming sooner or later.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But they get fucking nothing, because it turns out all those DVD plays and CRT monitors were completely legal.
You're telling me our plan to arrest all of the trans was doomed from the start.
Yeah.
And we have people everywhere.
And the FBI say,
Paul Walker, bracket's, pedophile,
if you don't catch the real criminals soon,
we're just going to pin this whole thing on you.
We're going to say it's your fault.
Get fucked.
So he tries one more time to get to Don by driving really fast in the car that they've now fixed,
like out racing a smug Ferrari guy.
And then driving him to a shrimp restaurant that I think was literally in point break
and going,
hell yeah.
Let me be in the movie.
Let me be in the rest of the movie.
I believe that it is, yeah.
Tell me.
Have you done any crimes?
Speech 65 out of 70, tell me about the crimes.
Please speak into the microphone.
You've got to let me in on whatever's going on.
There's no fucking way that you are paying for all of this shit you do just with like the garage.
He's giving real like a guy who turns up to one left wing meeting and is like, we should do more illegal stuff.
You know?
Like, it's kind of, it's a little bit obvious.
And so, but Dom is like, tell you what, we'll go to denouement.
And then once we go to Danu More, if you still want to do it, then we'll talk.
Yeah, you got to win the big event.
We got to go to the big event.
And now we have no excuse, unfortunately, because the next scene is the big event.
Yep.
The big event, which is introduced by a wet t-shirt contest because, of course, and then
a huge bunch of, like, cars and, like, security and stuff, they're letting people through.
And one of the security guards, uh, like, leans in to the window and says, blithely,
What's up, man, welcome to race wars.
Welcome to race wars.
You can't race, race wars.
Yeah, they were just calling it race wars for the whole fucking movie, absolutely.
You can't call it race wars.
That's crazy, because the initial, like, fucking, like, the first scene we get where Paul Hollywood goes to the fucking, like, car meet,
it opens with, like, introducing various cars and, like, everyone is grouped racially.
Like, they do it.
And then they introduced for the next race as race wars.
And it's like, brother, you can't call it that.
They were actually selling t-shirts and hats,
but they just weren't selling until someone was like, oh, oh.
Well, as November says, they have security guards there.
Who's organizing this?
Who's putting race wars together?
And why do the security guards' shirts not say race wars security?
They just say security.
I would fucking kill for that shirt.
Who's organizing race wars?
A question normally asks
and a very different type of podcast
politically from us.
I guess right now,
the United States government, I suppose.
Oh, yeah, I guess.
Oh, bloody clowns in Congress.
So, just very blaseo, like,
hey, man, welcome to race wars.
It's very much like, hey,
what?
Is it what?
It's decided?
Oh, no.
Huh?
Yeah.
Me and Tony Hawke are getting fucking got.
Like, I, I mean, sure, we deserve it.
but like, you know, it's rough.
I didn't expect it to happen so soon.
Also, the movie then does, I would say,
one of my least favorite things,
which is trying to have your cake and eat it
as far as misogyny goes.
Yes.
We get a guy who is billed in the credits as Rasta Racer.
Uh-huh.
Because his dreadlocks pulls up to Lettie,
Michelle Rodriguez, and goes,
you should be watching from the side
you shouldn't be driving a car
because you're too sexy
Yeah
he's a misogynist
Not like you know
The movie which
Again two shots ago
Photography
Had a wet t-shirt contest
In it for no reason
Like every time listeners
Every time we cut to a scene with cars
We see cars and we see sexy ladies
Yeah
They're co-located
That's constant yeah
In the same hex square
And women are trophies
It feels like a kind of court-ordered scene
of her beating him.
Yeah.
To be like, so we're not misogynist.
We have like one minutes of girl power and girl power is when...
No other main characters are in this scene.
It's just here on her.
I'm like, I believe this was a reshoot.
It might well have been.
Like, you could imagine them being like, well, we need to show how the race wars, like, system works.
Really solving the misogyny problem at race wars.
So...
So...
Hacking out of race wars.
Wars, we're like, man, this doesn't seem that like woke to me.
No.
Yeah, I expected race wars to be woker.
So, Jesse, the painted fingernails having faggot.
Who, by the way, drives a VW Jetta, which is like...
You've been so freed up to say that one.
Well, because we're not woke anymore, because Trump got elected.
I can say it.
I feel good again.
The market's crashing, but we can say faggot.
We're back.
Yeah.
You can say pussy in the arsler.
I'm not going to say it.
I don't want to say that one.
I do want to say faggat.
Yeah, no, no, no.
You can't say faggot, though, and I'm going to because I enjoy doing it.
Oh, yeah, you're allowed to, so, mine.
If I've been called it often enough, you know, but so Jesse, Jesse drives a VW Jetta, which
is dyke coded to me.
It's like one step up from a Subaru Forrester.
It is, yeah.
And he's like, I'm gonna do the same thing that we, I, on film, laughed at Paul Walker
for doing, which is go up to a guy who I know is better at racing than me and go, I'm
I'm going to race you for the rights to my car.
In this case, Johnny Tran.
It's Johnny Tran.
He races Johnny Tran and Johnny Tran smokes him.
He does.
He does.
Hard to imagine what this scene does other than establish that Jesse and Johnny are still in the movie.
Well, Jesse, Jesse crashes out.
He really advanced Jesse, particularly.
Metaphorically and just drives off.
Just keeps driving.
Just leaves.
Yeah, he loses the race and he goes, alright, I'm going home.
I'm hitting the brakes.
Catch me if you can, motherfucker!
Bye!
Yeah.
He shares...
They can.
We just established this.
Johnny, Johnny, brackets, pissed, goes to Jesse's Dom,
and goes, I think you knocked on me, and that's why I got swatted.
And this starts a fight, and because Dom has never knocked on anyone,
and it insults his sense of honor to be accused of being a snitch.
Are Jesse and Dom brothers?
I thought their brothers?
No, they're just like...
No, he just, like, picked up.
Jesse one time because he's like an engine savant.
All right, whatever.
And I'd still let us know that they're wokeish.
Yeah, so later on, Paul Walker overhears Dom leaving and...
Arguing with Mia.
Yeah, Mia tries to get him not to, but he goes anyway.
And at this point...
She's like, don't go and commit crimes.
And Vindy's like, we got to commit crimes.
At this point...
Because we are the crimes after all.
Paul Walker wins the Brian Cox Memorial.
award for studies and intelligence.
Yes, he does.
Because he goes to Mia and he's like,
Hey, I'm a cop, I'm an undercover cop.
I'm an undercover cop.
She's like, I knew it from the way you moaned.
Like, had to tell her that to protect Vin Diesel,
but not to have sex with her.
No.
Yeah, she rightly calls him a bastard.
And at this point, he manhandles her and is like,
look, I did this to protect your brother.
It's actually good that I, that I deceived you
into having a relationship with me.
the classic like, yes, I might have been sent here and I'm being paid currently to like have
sex with you to infiltrate the racing crew. But I actually feel some way towards you right now.
It's like, brother, you should kill this guy straight away. But she doesn't and instead we do
the rest of the movie. They get in the car together and go to the heist. Which is point break. So the
heist, the heist, the deal is as we've seen, the three Honda Civics kind of box in the truck,
Vince, like harpoons the windshield off, harpoons his way into the thing, like clips
this is sick, this is fucking sick.
Like, it clips the sort of harpoon line to his von Dutch belt, which I, you can't imagine
that that's load bearing, but whatever.
Yeah, sick though.
But this guy, this trucker, this trucker, this trucker's, this trucker's looking motherfucker.
Yeah.
This guy knows about road war.
He does.
He has learned everything there is to learn about road war.
It's happened.
The trucker has taken it into his own hands.
Yeah.
He's got a shotgun.
He's got a fucking shotgun.
Yeah, there's a kind of surprising turn to like deathproof grind house horror here.
It's not bad.
Yeah, it's really good.
This woke me up a bit genuinely of like Vince is sort of like attached to the truck and
sort of like dodging the guy shooting through the door.
Yeah, it's like dangling off the side of it.
Because the truck doesn't stop, by the way.
This is all done on the roof.
That guy is the best in the world at delivering DVD players.
He is, and I think this, is a Good Night Cross or Cronstein Rosette for this truck driver?
He definitely goes above and beyond, but whether it's...
The forces of law and order.
Like, he's a stalwart defender of private property, right?
He's got 10,000 sex-asses in the back of that truck, and he is not going to let them get in.
And he owns them technically until he gets to his destination.
He's trying to outlaw these fucking sex-asses.
No, this is a great scene.
Like, it's all done on the move.
They're all driving the whole time.
It's sick.
Like, this is what you watch Fast and the Furious for, right?
Yeah, it's well filmed.
It's not CGI fucking computer bullshit either, as far as I can tell.
Like, it's pretty, you know, well done.
They're jumping from car to car.
Sick.
And he runs Lettie off the road.
And one of the other guys who looks like Mack from all his sonny has to go back and rescue her.
Yeah.
Meanwhile, Paul Walker and Mia catch up with the heist.
And they end up rescuing very much.
after Dom gets run off the road.
Yeah.
There is a nice moment where Vin Diesel goes to check on Marcel Rodriguez
and he tells her that he loves her.
I'm like, oh, okay.
The truck driver gets away clean, by the way.
He's just successfully thwarted the robbery.
Those sex asses are delivered.
Yeah, he's like the fucking truck driver from Duel in a lot of way.
You see him every so often and it's just like his car is him.
It's like not, you can't separate the characters out.
The attitude this movie has to The Trucker as a camera.
character is fascinating.
It's so fascinating.
The truck is going to take things into their own hands.
As opposed to the noble car driver, if you drive a vehicle with any number of wheels other than four,
you're evil.
It's through all this movie.
The truck driver is like a kind of buffalo, right?
And that it's sort of like large and slow moving, but extremely sort of like prone to like violent power if attacked.
Huge part of us as well is that it's the American.
and style truck. I think if this was like a fucking cab over engine
scania type bullshit, no one would like it at all.
Yeah, no. Movie would not be exciting.
No. This Optimus prime motherfucker, I hope this trucker comes back as a recurring villain
actually. It's about truck family. But so Vince has been fucked up. His, like,
arm has been kind of wrapped in the harpoon cable. And so... And the truck driver is getting ready
to execute him at this point. Vince is like trapped on the truck and the driver is just
holding a shotgun waiting for the poker's head up.
That truck driver will not hesitate to let it bark.
Like, I think you can be clear about that.
And so Paul Walker, comma, pedophile has to leap on to the moving truck and extract Vince
out of there.
It's very good.
It's very dramatic.
Yeah, he rescues him and they have to, they just pull over and let the truck go.
And they have to tourniquet Vince's arm with the fucking 2000s of on Dutch belt.
You know the one, I mean.
The one with the, like, three rows.
Yeah.
But so with Don there to witness it, Paul Walker decides he's going to die.
I better call cop 911.
Yeah.
The special better 911 they have for cops.
He pulls up the phone and goes, it's me, Officer, like, Officer, like, Brian.
Officer Brian, whatever.
Officer Brian Peterfile.
There's some good acting here because Vin Diesel doesn't, Officer Brian Peterfell.
Why did they employ that guy?
It's a basic failure of betting.
I mean, like, it went through the background test,
but he's not actually our paedophile.
His name is just Brian paedophile.
We have to let him.
And he's like, why should I change my name there that wants to suck?
Has it on the stab vest a little patch,
like PC-5-6-309, pedophile?
It's like a career name, you know?
Like back in the day, my family were the child.
It comes from the Greek.
Yeah, my name's Smith, but I don't know how to, like,
Smith anything.
like family were Greek child finders.
It's not my fault.
Greek child.
What the fuck?
I've got from a family of Greek child like this.
Is Peter Fadner?
No, hang on, philis is Greek.
Yeah, it means like lover of children, right?
Perfect.
In the same way as like, the joke landed.
Cinephile doesn't imply that you're molesting the movie,
but like Peter Fild does.
It's an audiophile, yeah.
Yeah, that's a real like, how come you drive on the parkway and park on the driveway type joke construction, but yeah.
Why do you in the oven, if your fridge is the oven, why do you, and the oven is hot food?
Yeah. If you're a weanophile, what the fuck is wrong with you? Like, get help.
Me, me talking about straight people.
I know what, no, wait, no, I know if you're a weanophile, that's crazy.
When are you like winer's?
What are you like, wine? No, wine. Or somebody who loves wine.
Oh, E-N-O...
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, file, yeah.
He calls Cobb 911.
Like, GAO-L meaning jail.
Vin Diesel doesn't have any lines here, but he does have a reaction shot and it's really, really good.
Anguish, yeah.
He's so angry and we're like, oh, is he going to lose control?
Like, he's just such a controlled guy.
It's good acting.
You know what?
Fucking massive shout out to Vin Diesel here.
You do see him absorb the full weight of what is being said and like really fucking, like, think about it.
Yeah.
Good acting.
And ultimately, he sort of like flees the scene and you get the like air ambulance landing
next to Paul Walker, just completely alone in this kind of like scrub field.
And the thing is, that's quite good.
If you give me the idea of the sort of big emotional hit of this being something
slightly different from point break, which is if you try and have both, you don't get to keep
either and you kind of forfeit both of your found families being a cop and being a cop and
being in the kind of like cool racing bros and you're just left completely alone that's interesting
that's kind of you're like spiritually bereft that's a that's an interesting ending uh but it's not
the ending no the film could have ended there but it doesn't and i actually appreciate a film that
gives us like two action climaxes back to back he made 11 more yeah um so back in town uh paul
Walker goes to arrest Vin Diesel who comes out of his house with a shotgun and it's all very
fucking tense. At this point Jesse arrives and he's like, hey, I'm so glad that I found you.
I feel much better now. I'm happy to be alive and in the movie. I can't wait to come back in.
Too fast, too furious. And then you hear the motorcycles. I've been having an unrelated crash out
the whole time, which is good. Also, I just realized something about my gender.
Hmm. And then the transomers.
motorcycles come around the corner and Jesse, Jesse got's got GTA 4 style, you know?
He does. Johnny Tran drives by and holds down L1.
There is nothing those games didn't rip off.
So yeah, Jesse is fucking compromise to a permanent end.
Jesse dies.
Jesse, he's killed.
Yeah.
Well, I assume so.
We don't really see the final fate of either him or Vince, they might be back, but...
I'm looking, I'm looking in the filmography and...
I'll take a look at, yeah, yeah, yeah, Chad Limburg's filmography doesn't...
Dead, dead, dead, fast and furious.
Weirdly enough, Vince is back.
Sometimes when characters are killed off, I'm like, well, maybe they're not really dead.
Just like, no, they're dead, they're not coming back.
Unfortunately, you don't have the kind of the straight-coded plot armor.
Weirdly, Vince does come back, but not until Fast and Furious Five, a full decade after this one.
What the fuck, don't, spoilers?
He's just shitting around for, like, four movies.
Anyway, moving on so.
So both of them are chasing the trans.
Vin Diesel, Dom drives the extremely sick dodge.
And my note is, if it's so hard to kill a motorcyclist with a car, how come it keeps happening by accident?
Because they go around fucking half of Los Angeles trying to kill these guys.
Yeah.
Well, Lance doesn't die.
Vin Diesel runs him off the road and then observes that he's still alive and leaves him.
Vin Diesel exercises mercy.
Paul Walker, comma, paedophile, does shoot Johnny Tran dead.
He does, he does, yeah.
My favorite thing here, which is the car equivalent of taking a knee,
where he just, like, turns to the side really fast and stops
and then shoots the guy out of the window.
Yeah.
He then, he then, like, flees the scene of his own officer-involved shooting
to chase after his boyfriend.
Because, well, first of all, Johnny Tran was firing first, so this is provoked.
But there's a nice moment where Paul Walker kneels down next to him
and checks at his dead.
and we do get a reaction shot moment
of being like, yeah, I did just kill that guy.
So it is, it's treated seriously, which I like,
just these nice little touches,
you wouldn't get that in a movie these days,
it'd just be sort of gunned down,
but we do get this moment of like,
oh yeah, he'd just take a human life.
Yeah, yeah.
But so he catches up finally with,
um, with Dom, who is,
it's just,
stop the lights.
Yeah.
And because he lives his life a quarter mile at the time,
he,
he says,
This is the quarter mile at a time that I live my life at.
Yeah.
Because I used to drag race here.
Actually, what he says is I used to do drag here in high school, which based...
Yeah, and my notes say, yes, queen.
Or she was riding that down, diligent.
He did not get better to drop on, so I was, I was too busy getting...
So, man, welcome to race wars.
I wanted to do a supercut of every time someone says race wars in this movie, but I just didn't have the time.
be really good.
Yeah.
Interesting part of Dom Toreto's backstory that he used to be a drag queen.
That's really cool.
That comes back.
But he says, as soon as the lights go green, I'm gonna run for it.
And Paul Walker's like, I'm gonna have to arrest you.
I'm gonna do the way from point break, but...
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so they drag race together.
And at the end of the quarter mile at a time that Dom Toresso lives his life at, there's a train
that's about to cross.
And I...
They jump the tracks.
Just in time.
Dom is like clearly intending some kind of suicide maneuver here,
but instead just crashes his car super coolly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, they get this moment where they clear the tracks in the train
and then they look at each other like,
that was sick, I can't believe we've made it.
And then hilariously, Finne does it goes,
oh no, and it gets a truck and pulls out.
It's really, really funny.
Yeah.
But so Paul Walker is like just gives him the keys to his kind.
Yeah, he's fine.
He owes him the car.
He owes him a car, yeah.
He goes, I owe you a 10 second car.
And Ben Diesel's like, what is the car?
Cars.
Cars.
Family.
It's about family.
It's about family.
It's a car.
Sirens in the distance.
Vin Diesel gets in the car and drives away.
And then that's the end.
That's the end.
Then we get a two chains and of course Jar Rule song about the Fast and the Furious.
That they only play for like a Meezerer.
minute and then fade out, which I think is unbelievably disrespectful.
It's so insulting.
It's such a crazy.
This movie's soundtrack budget is crazy.
And by soundtrack budget, I don't mean licensing, I mean commissioning.
There are multiple songs written for this movie in this movie that it uses no more than five or ten seconds of at a time, which is bizarre.
Like 10 seconds of another one bites the dust earlier on.
It's like, do you have to pay for it?
If you get 10 seconds, or is that like a freebie?
You get a post-credit scene of Dom in Mexico.
Really?
Yeah, apparently.
Oh, I didn't know this.
What the fuck happens?
Tell me.
In a post-credit scene, Dom is seen driving through Baja, California, Mexico.
Baja!
I don't have anything in Baja.
In a 1970s Chevrolet Cheval.
Cool.
Yeah.
Is that it?
That's the movie.
That is the movie.
That's the movie.
Unfortunately for us, this movie, this movie had a budget.
38 million dollars.
It made...
Really? Is that all?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Really?
Yeah.
Holy shit.
And it made...
And it made $200 million.
So, immediately...
I believe it.
Immediately they greenlit a sequel and Vin Diesel was like, I don't want to be in that.
And instead of being in the sequel, Vin Diesel went to make triple X another film we will watch.
Are you telling you, I get to that?
not in Too Fast to Furious.
He's not in Too Fast Too Furious, no.
No.
That's hilarious.
And to be clear, like, every single, like, every single cast member in this was, like, essentially their third choice.
Like, they wanted...
Yeah, they offered it to a bunch of other people, didn't they?
And, like, there were a bunch of actors who were offered Dom Terretto who said, I'm not doing that.
It's stupid.
Yes.
Yeah, they wanted Timothy Oliphant, I believe.
Would she say, well, we've seen Timothy Oliver
and stupider movies than this. He was a diehard four.
True. But the reason why
the reason why he didn't do it is because he had done
Gone in 60 seconds and Gone in 60 seconds was so stupid
that he was like, I'm not doing, I'm never doing this again.
Like,
Hell yeah. This was a way better movie than Gone in 60 seconds.
Sarah Michelle Geller, Curse and Dunst and Natalie Portman
all auditioned.
for Mia Torretto before they cast Jordana Brewster.
Yeah.
Damn.
Hell yeah.
Good for all of these guys.
Fuck me, then.
What's Triple X apart?
Oh, shit.
It's about a secret Asian.
Oh, it's like an action spy movie.
Vin Diesel is American Extreme Sports James Bond.
We'll do it at some point, but not.
I have a weirdly vivid memory of seeing the sequel,
which starred Ice Cube, Quadruple X.
In the cinema on my birthday when it comes.
came out. Jesus
fucking Christ.
Anyway, this movie,
it's got the finest masculinity
of the 2000s,
which is to say,
women are objects like cars.
Yeah, women are not people
in this film,
and that is unfortunate.
Women are a reward
you get for driving fast.
Or women are set dressing.
But also,
it seems like the real reward
for driving fast
is getting to hang out
with your boys
who are like families
to you,
and you get to be
kind of homosocial with,
you know?
Well, yeah,
as always.
As we know from homosexuality, like, women are for fucking and for contempt, but real respect is reserved for your fellow men, right?
Yeah, that's your kind of deep emotional connection, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Masculinity is a sort of, it's a function of how many men you fuck versus how many women your girlfriend fucks sort of like mathematically put together, and that's how masculine you are.
Yeah, that's right.
My wife's a lesbian, that makes me the most masculine of all time.
So I'm reading X, X, X, X, X, to the next level state of the union.
on IMDVU right now.
And this is fucking insane.
We'll do it at some point.
We've got to watch that.
It includes ludicrous carjacking a tank.
It's great stuff.
Stars Ice Cube, Samuelor Jackson, Willemdiffo,
Exhibit and Ludacris.
What a fucking world.
Yeah, all right.
Maybe I'm doing that next, actually.
Yeah.
So, but we don't have to talk about...
Oh, fuck.
Scum.
Yeah, sorry.
We don't have to talk about the masculinity
of the Fast and the Furious Brackets 2001
just sort of in an unstructured way,
like chumps,
Because we have a scientific system on this podcast.
It's called the scum system.
It stands for smarm.
Cultural insensitivity, unprovoked violence, and misogyny.
On a scale of zero to seven, how smarmy is the fast and the furious, brackets 2001 film?
I'd say it's down the lower end, maybe like a two or a three.
There's a couple of bits just like, I owed you a 10 second car.
There's a couple like movie-ass lines, but not many.
It's weirdly a lot.
It's a weirdly a less smug point break than either point break.
Yeah, it is.
In the sort of making of point breaks, it's, I mean, the whole, like, I live my life a quarter mile at a time thing is a little bit smug.
I think we're going to reach some commanding heights of smugness in this series.
Yes.
But we're starting relatively low, which is maybe one reason why it's so fucking boring to watch.
Oh, I disagree.
I liked this.
I had a good time with it.
It's sincerely made.
It's well made.
It's exciting in place.
It's got good acting in it.
Like, I want to see where this goes.
I'm excited.
I had a good time with this,
and I can't wait for it to be the baseline for the next movies.
I wanted it to get better.
I would set the baseline for this at like three small.
Three small?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah.
There's not that many of it.
Cultural insensitivity.
Well, so this is an interesting one because Dom appears to run a multi-ethnic street racing crew,
and everyone else is like.
strictly along ethnic lines.
It's sort of like, I come back to Saints Row again of like, we large entertainment
corporation are attempting to grapple with like sort of what we conceptualize as urban
subcultures, right?
And it's like, this isn't good in itself, but it is trying to be inclusive cynically
in order to sell more people on the movie.
Yeah.
And it clearly worked in that regard.
Yeah.
And there's a couple of moments, like the statue of Confucius
outside the Asian food market,
then I'm like, okay, not a big fan of that.
Yeah.
It's just confusing.
There is a weird bit where the trans get arrested,
where one of them, their dad, like,
slaps them in front of the cops for, like,
I guess, like dishonoring him by getting them,
like being involved in criminality,
which is a bit like, I die.
Yeah, so I suppose we're in.
including lots of different people,
but we're also sort of using some stereotypical shorthand,
certainly not the most offensive ones we could have gone for,
but still.
There are two black characters in this movie.
One of them is the Jara Rour cameo where he is motivated
by the prospect of a threesome,
and the other one is the misogynist guy
who's like, women don't know how to drive.
Not so, the FBI guy.
Oh, fuck, you're right.
Yeah, completely forgot.
Okay.
The FBI director.
Okay, sure.
It's above two.
Yeah, it's a pretty racially diverse cast.
It's a very racially diverse cast.
I don't like the way that they're introduced initially
in just sort of separate groups.
Like these are the different races of races.
White, black, Latino and Vietnamese.
Yeah.
Asian.
Yeah.
I think it's a two, but it's not a two because of a mission.
I think it's like earned two points.
But I think I think it's like pretty low.
There's nothing hugely offensive.
There's no lines that specifically.
if it made me like suck air in to hear.
No, no one's like a racial stereotype fully.
Like, I wouldn't say.
So I would do two or three.
I'd give them two.
I would give them two.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think it's nice to have a,
have like a big franchise where the lead characters are all,
it's like a racially diverse group of people and it's just like part of it.
It's a colorblind subculture, which is nice.
It's also true to L.A.
Mm-hmm.
That's true.
Yeah.
Unprovoked violence.
So we are meant to empathize with Paul Walker, Brackett's cop, and he does kill a guy, but the guy is already shooting at him.
Yeah, and also shooting at a street full of people.
So.
Yeah.
So, so, so, so Dom Teresso is like, is violent, but in a way that he clearly regrets and doesn't really have the language to articulate and doesn't really sort of understand, which I like.
That's quite nice.
That was one of my favorite moments of the whole.
film. And I mean, that's sort of, it doesn't like hand you the answer. It doesn't really like stick with
that or go deeper, but that's a more interesting, more nuanced bit of masculinity than I suspect we're
going to get from any of the later ones as well. Yeah, I really hope and do not believe for a moment
that the franchise will like develop that aspect of his character. I would hate to see
Dom Teresso get flattened by the franchise into sort of an action figure who was mostly a
about kind of a nebulous concept of family rather than a guy who like had some like trauma
and like kind of really dissociative experience of like masculine coded violence, you know.
I don't know, we'll find out.
I yeah, yeah, let them go up.
One.
Yeah, sure, one.
He doesn't really.
He doesn't.
And then just to just to ruin it at the end, misogyny.
I think this is going to be pretty high.
Kill these motherfuckers.
Women are not people in this film.
We are set dressing or trophies.
And even the word trophies use explicitly.
And like, I think it's fine.
If you, if you want to make a movie that's about masculinity and about kind of testosterone fuel racing, that's fine.
That's like totally okay to do.
But you don't want to reproduce the same misogyny in it without critique.
You know, I asked myself, what if Paul Walker's character was a woman and was having to infiltrate this kind of very testosterone-driven subculture?
Would that have been interesting?
Yeah.
I mean, like, we know that depiction is not endorsement, right?
And the idea that like, oh, these guys who are street races in 2001 Los Angeles might not have the sort of most refined attitudes towards women.
Fine.
But the movie doesn't either.
And that's clear with things like the establishing shots of the wet t-shirt contest.
Lots of shots of like women's midrifts and legs.
Yeah.
When you see a car, you see a hot woman.
It's like every shot is just the two things to sort of like connect with in your mind.
Yeah.
You can kind of tell when the thumb is on the scale, right?
in the difference between
you have a character
say like cars is like women
in that they're both property
and the movie kind of suggests
for you to be disgusted
or it sort of like remains neutral on it
or as this film does goes
and this guy's cool
and he's right
you can trust him on this one
so I think it's pretty high
and it's gonna be six or a seven
I would give it a six
I would give it a point back
for like giving
the sort of baby's first women are people
that it gives to Mia, right?
Where it's like, oh, she can go on a date.
She can, like, drive him around
and, like, she can be interested in him and pursue him.
That's, like, worth one back to me,
but it's still up there with, like, a six, you know?
Well, that gives it a total score of 12,
which is pretty good.
That's pretty strong, you know?
That's better than some of the early oceans movies.
You know, it's less,
It's exactly the same as the first transporter movie, which is interesting.
It's like a very good bond, even better than a man from uncle.
Like, yeah, that's a pretty strong start.
I'm looking forward to see how the franchise fucks it up.
But, you know, I think if they brought the misogyny down,
they'd really have something good on their hands here.
Yeah, and I mean, also, I will say this is a film that in terms of our awards for it,
we're giving out almost everything on this one.
We got a Brian Cox to Paul Walker.
We have...
A Crohnstein for Vince.
A Crohnstein for Vince.
And a good night for nameless shotgun trucker.
Yeah.
Good night for truck drivers.
Sort of in the abstracts as a faction.
Yeah, absolutely.
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