Kill James Bond! - S4e30 The Fast And The Furious

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

KJB's 2026 starts, not with a bang, but with a VROOOOOOOM- as we settle in for what will be our longest series of movies since Bond. Paul Hollywood goes undercover in the LA drag scene to find the eli...te crew that have been heisting CRT TVs from the city's faction of roaming Truckers Drag racing, sorry. ----- Check out friend of the show Mattie's new book Simplicity here, or wherever fine graphic novels are sold! ----- FREE PALESTINE Hey, Devon here. In our home, we talk a lot about how insane everything feels, and agonise constantly over what can be done to best help the Palestinians trapped in Gaza facing the full brunt of genocidal violence. My partner Rebecca has put together a list of four fundraisers you can contribute to- all of them are at work on the ground doing what they can. -Palestinian Communist Youth Union, which is doing a food and water effort, and is part of the official communist party of Palestine https://www.gofundme.com/f/to-preserve-whats-left-of-humanity-global-solidarity -Water is Life, a water distribution project in North Gaza affiliated with an Indigenous American organization and the Freedom Flotilla https://www.waterislifegaza.org/ -Vegetable Distribution Fund, which secured and delivers fresh veg, affiliated with Freedom Flotilla also https://www.instagram.com/linking/fundraiser?fundraiser_id=1102739514947848 -Thamra, which distributes herb and veg seedlings, repairs and maintains water infrastructure, and distributes food made with replanted veg patches https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-thamra-cultivating-resilience-in-gaza ----- WEB DESIGN ALERT Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here:  https://www.tomallen.media/ ----- Kill James Bond is hosted by November Kelly, Abigail Thorn, and Devon. You can find us at https://killjamesbond.com , as well as on our Bluesky and X.com the everything app account

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Starting point is 00:00:01 Welcome to the first episode of Kill James Bond of 2026. I am November Kelly. I am joined as always by my friends Abigail Thorn and Devon. Beep, beep, listeners. Cowbonga. Car go vroom. How we do it? And we'll be investigating the extent and nature to which car go vroom more than I think anyone else ever has.
Starting point is 00:00:40 We're going to be thinking about cars because what we're going to do is we're petrol heads now. Oh, yeah, it's true. It's true. We're top gear. Just to go around the room very quickly. How many of us drive? I don't... No. No, I'm too gay to drive.
Starting point is 00:00:57 Okay, yeah, same. Same. That was also my objection. I'm going to learn this year. I'm planning to learn this year, but no, I'm still too gay right now. It's like every time I go to like schedule a lesson, I'm doing something gay instead. And a lot of that's very accessible by public transport. So, but that's fine.
Starting point is 00:01:13 Top gear was never about the driving. It was about the relationship between. between three terminally British people. And I think that really we can kind of carry that forward. You're so right. We are top gear. Yeah. We're top gear with pronouns.
Starting point is 00:01:30 I mean, in my case, it's like bottom gear. I'm sure, you know, one of us is a switch. Hey, hey. What we're going to do is as a sort of subseason of robbery season, because they are films about robbery in part. We're going to do. They're doing heists. First thing we see is a heist.
Starting point is 00:01:46 every single Fast and Furious movie unless we get bored, which I have to say, having seen the first one, is a strong possibility for me because I... Oh, I liked it. I thought it was quite good. I didn't think it was quite good, but I enjoyed it. I was feeling the 55% Metacrassic score for this one. Really? Oh, I think that's harsh.
Starting point is 00:02:09 I think it's good. It kind of drags a bit, but I liked it. Well, the thing is, there are infinity of these movies. We are keeping them here. for four months doing this. So please have patience. I'm ready to be hurt again. Because every franchise we do,
Starting point is 00:02:27 we watch the first one. And I'm always like, this is pretty good. I hope it improves on the problems in the next one. And it just gets even fucking worse. I was like this with Rambo too. I'm ready to be hurt.
Starting point is 00:02:38 I'm interested to see what the pattern is, right? Because with Rambo, the pattern was, like, funny evil, funny evil, right? it alternated. Whereas, whereas this, I don't know. We don't know yet.
Starting point is 00:02:48 We simply don't have the data. I'm also sort of struck. I'm having a surreal sort of day, right? Because I went to, let's call it a community event. Yes, I was going to ask for your on the ground reporting on this. Yes,
Starting point is 00:03:04 yes. I was. Live correspondent. Yes. Live at the scene because someone posted on Twitter a flyer that they had seen, advertising, watching watch me get kicked in the balls one last time before bottom surgery. God, yes.
Starting point is 00:03:21 With like an address and a time and it promised, you know, big, big huge dyke, big boot, full force execution style. Yeah, with a flute accompaniment. And I have to tell you, that delivered. It was magical. It was sort of, at some point, we will do the film Barry Lyndon. and I will get to talk about this again because it reminded me of nothing so much conceptually as a duel
Starting point is 00:03:47 in that all of us were there in this park in like first breath visible in the air to watch some kind of communally sanctioned violence, right? And it was very intimate. It was very sweet. I thought it was lovely. It was romantic, really.
Starting point is 00:04:05 And off of the back of one flyer and a couple of retweets from like bigger accounts than me, There were easily 150 people there. So like, on no notice. So Glasgow Live Show, we have to do it. Yeah, I guess we can get the crowds. Yeah. That's very true, yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:23 I mean, one of us is going to have to get kicked in the balls. I'm not sure if we just draw straws for that or if it's like I'm not going to be hear you're going to have to dig them out and find them. One of us is out of the game on that one. Just like cutting to like a medical incinerator or one of us kicking the side of it. Just like, uh, can take that. Either that or you can do it on me and I'll just no sell it, I imagine it'd be very impressive.
Starting point is 00:04:43 Potentially very funny. Maybe that's what gets the people going. That's what gets them out is the reaction though. And this is also the other thing is I got recognized a few times afterwards. Always a risk. It never stops being surreal to me that people want to come up and say hi. I really have two notes for this. One is because I saw a decent number of people doing the like kind of dare I approach this woman.
Starting point is 00:05:07 Can I bother her? Look. I love that look. I love that look. I understand that we as a community are an anxious people, you gotta bother me. Please, I love it every time. It genuinely is a delight. Please bother me.
Starting point is 00:05:21 Please come and say hi. But the other thing is, and I'm going to have to be a bit circumspect here because I don't know if they want me to sort of just like docks them like this. But I met someone who genuinely I have sort of like a good reason to admire who told me, oh hey, in the midst of some like, heinous shit that I've been dealing with, I've been listening to the podcast and it's been like helping and it's like, I don't, don't imbue my work with meaning at like one in the afternoon. Shit that was so heinous, we are aware of it. Like it's like national level heinous shit this person has been through.
Starting point is 00:06:01 The fact that this person listens to the podcast is like fucking crazy. It's an honor for one thing. You know who you are. Fucking big salutes, 07 from Kill James Bond. news for the two of you and that I fumbled that interaction critically due to being that's so fun. Uncaffeinated, freezing cold and sort of hit with the sort of emotions. In the moment, I choked.
Starting point is 00:06:21 And I just sort of said, it's great. Thanks for coaches, bye-bye. I should have given them a hug, really. Because that's the sentiment. Like, Jesus Christ. It's, yeah, I, it never gets old to be told that something that you're doing, like, helped someone get through something. But I will say making a podcast for a transgender audience,
Starting point is 00:06:45 statistically like 75% of you right now are doing the thing that you're about to describe as I was going through something really bad and I was listening to Kill James Bond the whole way through. You're getting through it. You're just listening to me while you're having a bad time. It's coming from inside you. Don't sort of imbue me with the power to do that.
Starting point is 00:07:04 You're doing it. No, mostly what I came away with was it's such a delight to be part of a community. And it felt like, we are, you are. Like, it's, we are all part of it. Like, yeah, it just, I came away from that feeling, feeling very sort of connected. I wish I could have stayed longer and hang out, but I had to come back and talk about the Fast and the Furious 2001.
Starting point is 00:07:28 We delayed this recording by two hours so you could go to the... It sounds like November, what you're saying is that it's about family. It's about family. I would say that it is about family. They didn't say that in this movie, but at some point in the serious they will. Apparently they will. I think it's about Vindy's or winding up and full force kicking Paul Walker and the nuts, yeah. I wish you'd done that, but I do, but we'll get into this, but so we begin in two.
Starting point is 00:07:55 We begin in 2001 Los Angeles. Yes. Where we'll actually begin with a robbery because they're loading up a ship. container onto a truck full of like high-end TVs, which at the time was CRT. It's really good. A guy gets on the phone and says, Just packed up a real money load and it's coming your way. Which first of all, worth, but second of all, that went from being true to being not true to being true again, in the sense that, speaking of family, once again,
Starting point is 00:08:30 I know there are trans women out there who would pay a lot of money for like a vintage 2001 CRT monitor. our team on as it. So presumably they were the ones who execute the heist we now see because the truck gets boxed in by three black cars who do a kind of like Fury Road style heist on the go where they fire
Starting point is 00:08:50 grappling hooks through the windscreen and leap into the cabin of the truck. It's very cool. My truck harpoon. Also all of them have like neon green under lighting which made, because I watched this with my wife and my wife went I love
Starting point is 00:09:06 Need for Speed Underground and I went I love Saints Row so we are now sort of at war for having sort of different 2000s media properties we're in the way reasonable. Yep. But yeah the these sort of Need for Speed Underground or Saints Row cars are used to
Starting point is 00:09:21 harpoon and then sort of how would you what the hell do to this truck? They do Mad Max Fury Road shit like they harpooned the windscreen off and then they like leap into the cabin of the truck. It's very cool. Yeah it's the same weapon both times it like pulls the windscreen off and then it pulls them into the truck.
Starting point is 00:09:39 There's a truck driver there. He plays no part or something. Yeah. And he like swings the bat vaguely at the person who's like stealing all of his CRTs. And then they sort of like bundle him into the kind of like footwell of his own truck and steal the... My Sony Triniton's. The guy who leaps into the cabin of the truck shoots the truck driver with a dark gun, thereby earning himself a technical Cronstein Rosette because he attacks the driver the vehicle.
Starting point is 00:10:05 the vehicle he's in. Two minutes in, perfect. There's going to be a lot of technical cronsteins in this franchise, I think. I think we have to give it a separate cronstein. Like, we have to design a separate colorway of the cronstein badges for this. No, I like the idea there's just a kind of like hack exploit. If you just kind of like backflip through a certain wall, you can get a cronting. I'm walking down the line of like goons.
Starting point is 00:10:26 I'm just putting a cronstein on all of them. It's like you've done, you've done great. Yeah, yeah, it's like the Army service revenue. Yeah. It's a badly deviant. badly devalues the Cronstein Rosette that we know. You'll get the cronstein Rosette for this, Commander. But so they rob the thing, they get away clean into the night with the CRTs.
Starting point is 00:10:44 Mm-hmm. We now meet Paul Walker. My notes say, Paul Walker, comma, pedophile arrives in his silly green car. Yes. Paul, yes, two things about Paul Walker. Please. Tell us the two things about Paul Walker now that we've spoiled one of them. I'll start with the first thing about Paul Walker, and I'll let you take the second one,
Starting point is 00:11:02 because the first one's the fun one. I was watching this with my wife and she called him Paul Hollywood the entire fucking episode the whole time and now I can't stop thinking about him as Paul Hollywood so
Starting point is 00:11:13 I think Paul Hollywood is both alive and not a paedophile which is more than could be said of Paul Walker he's just a cunt in a general sense he's not a pedo as far as I'm aware in wives getting off better jokes than you
Starting point is 00:11:25 news my wife saw Paul Walker and said they call him Paul Walker because he pulls a perfect 360 which he then does pretty good It's pretty good. It's not bad. Should be on here instead of me getting imposterous. We should just swap out for our wives, actually.
Starting point is 00:11:39 Yeah. So the first thing about Paul Walker is that his name is easily confused with celebrity baker Paul Hollywood. The second thing about Paul Walker is that he was a paedophile. He was. I understand that. Yes. He is dead. He is dead. So I can't sue us for saying that. No. No. He can't liable the dead. The thing is, he was dating multiple 16-year-olds sequentially in his 30s, one of whom he was dating when his daughter was 15. So,
Starting point is 00:12:07 Paul Walker, not a good guy. Whatever word is there for that, but paedophile. Just set this up ahead of time, not happy with the fact that he's going to be in a bunch of the movies. Yeah, my man is in Mormon hell. Well, this was the thing. When we found this out, this led to quite complicated theological discussion
Starting point is 00:12:28 in the group chat about the nature of Mormon hell. I believe that what we came to, after doing a bit of research, is that Paul Walker is in spirit prison, which is what the Mormons call their kind of redemptive limbo thing. And then he's going to kind of genuinely feel the anguish of his sin, the paedophilia, and like absence from God and is going to kind of, his soul is going to redeem itself, then there'll be a final judgment. And he goes to probably like the least good of the three heavens, unless he doesn't do that in spirit prison, in which case he is going to. cast into outer darkness. So that's going to be important going forward.
Starting point is 00:13:04 Right-o, right-down. Do they get podcasts in Spirit Prison? You know, I... If you're in Mormon Spirit Prison, listeners, Kjb.com slash contact. KJB ready. I'd get through Spirit Prison, you know, I was having a rough time.
Starting point is 00:13:17 We just called that living in. My soul was getting redeemed over the course of several hundred thousand years. Getting sent to male spirit prison because Mormon hell is spiritually British. Male, he'd have to be sent to male spirit prison. Oh, male hell. The reason why that came up, by the way, is that Paul Walker is also Mormon.
Starting point is 00:13:35 Culturally, not sort of practically as far as I know. Anyway, the point is... Certainly not now. Paul Walker shows up to go to an entirely sepiatone diner called Torrettoes. And I, with my advanced knowledge of the franchise of remembering that's Vind Diesel's character's name, go, oh, that's the place that's about family. That's Vin Diesel's going to be there. Well, we see some of his family because the lady behind the counter is Mia Torreto,
Starting point is 00:14:06 Vin Diesel's sister in the movie, not real life. It's about having a sister. Yes. And we get the sense that he has been coming back there for a while, despite the fact that the food is not good. And that it's shot with the sort of James Bond Specter Mexico filter over the lens. So everyone looks like they're being exposed to huge amounts of radiation.
Starting point is 00:14:31 Yeah, yeah. If you go down to L.A., like, it's close enough to the border that you start getting into the filter. Like, there's a kind of Mexico zone of influence, like a sphere of influence where they use the sepia filter. I understand that to be the case. That's right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:49 I fit to L.A., this is true. But so she's like, oh, the food sucks. Stop coming back here. At which point, and Vindiesla's in the back. Yeah. sort of like... Facing away from the camera, but like clearly Vindies or because he's enormous and bold. Yeah, doing the accounts, I guess.
Starting point is 00:15:05 Not really clear about this. At which point his crew show up. Yeah, with some stupid cars. The crew comprises two guys who look exactly like, respectively fat and thin Mac in Always Sunny. Yep. And one woman. Hello, Michelle Rodriguez. It's Michelle Rodriguez playing...
Starting point is 00:15:27 She's dressed the same as they dress her in every movie she's in. Yeah, I did. Looking fucking great. I did write down how the fuck you driving in the new rocks boots. Like you're not getting any kind of like the pedals or like between like an inch of soul. I just watched Avatar the other day and she's playing the same character in that as well. She's great. Is she canceled?
Starting point is 00:15:50 No, I don't think so. No, no. Oh, great. Because I always love seeing Michelle Rodriguez. She always gives a good performance. No, certainly. I'll let you know. The various Macs, on the other hand, don't.
Starting point is 00:15:59 And they're sort of the instigators of this, because they come in and they see Paul Walker. Vince, the big guy and Jesse, the smaller guy. There's another one isn't there as well. Like, because Jesse is the one with- I think there might be. I have thoughts about Jesse. Vince is the one who looks like Fat Mac. Vince is the fat-Mack.
Starting point is 00:16:15 Jesse's the big, nasty one. Gender one, right? Jesse's the gender. Jesse gender, yeah. Yeah. So what we get is supposed to be a kind of tense scene of Vince and Paul Walker eyeballing each other, but what we get instead, because they hadn't realized that they had to act yet
Starting point is 00:16:28 was two completely vacant looks back and forth in a shot reverse shot, which is... Now, hold on, the soundtrack's doing a lot of work because it's literally going, watch your back, watch your back, watch you back, watch you back over the course. Yeah, the soundtrack, and this is so 2000s, I love it. Yeah. Just saying what's happening in every scene, like, amazing.
Starting point is 00:16:46 It is a sort of cinema sin of soundtrack over views. But so Paul Walker is like, I have taken two bites of this bad tuna sandwich, I'm now going to leave, and Vince says to himself, I can help this guy by going and giving him some advice on where he can get a better meal
Starting point is 00:17:01 in an idiom that he'll be familiar with, which is homophobia. So he chases him down outside and tells him Try fat burger from now and you get yourself a double cheese with fries with 295, faggot. Thank you for the information, sir. I'm sorry? They've got to tone these ads down. This is crazy.
Starting point is 00:17:21 No, this is how all ads should be, I think, with AI. It's just all in the fucking Denny's voice. If you tell any AI ad service that your name is faggot, it will offer you this experience now, which I think that's beautiful. That viral advert for Big Bill Hell's cause,
Starting point is 00:17:38 it's like, fuck you, Baltimore! Yeah. I love that fucking thing. Burger King, where your stupid ass gets fucked six ways from Sunday. Do we think that fat burger... Challenge pissing.
Starting point is 00:17:50 Do we... Hang, I just cook a fat burger real quick. Yeah, it's real. It is, real. I wonder if that was sort of paid promotion. Or if they approved it, you know, like, Fat Burger is sort of like happy to be the official meal of the guy who calls Paul Walker a faggot. Yeah, I'm not sure. Fat burger founded in 1947, nice try.
Starting point is 00:18:10 What were you doing during the war? He's doing a kind of Operation Burger clip to airlift all of the, like, biggest, like, most culinary Nazis from Hamburg, their home to the United States. United States. Yeah, it's like when they left the Nazis, the founder factories. And, of course, Frankfurt. There's a movie about this called The Founder, which we'll do at some point. But so anyway, at this point... Vince starts a fight.
Starting point is 00:18:37 Yeah, Vince tries to jump him. The soundtrack says Vince is jumping, Paul Walker. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you just had audio description turned on. It's possible. Vin Diesel reluctantly gets involved to separate this. And he says, Paul Walker, comma, paedophile, don't come back here. And also, what you, don't you work for, you work for the card part dealership down the road, don't you?
Starting point is 00:19:04 And he's like, yeah, and he's like, I'm going to get you fired. I'm going to car on your ass. Yeah, he does. He also, he also says to Vince, because he backs Vince up as well. He says, just apropos of nothing. He yells all of his lines, because again, Vin Diesel had not really, like, acted before this. And that's apparent. He just goes, you embarrass me, which I really like as just like the tense there.
Starting point is 00:19:30 Not just like, you know, you are embarrassing me, but like, no, you shame your house. I would hate to be told back for always sunny. It's kind of brutal. You embarrass me. Yeah. Hadn't quite got the knack of acting yet, if you ask me. I disagree. I think Vindy's just great acting later on, but we'll get that.
Starting point is 00:19:48 Certainly, sir. Paul Walker, by the way, every single close up, he has the bluest eyes. outside of Iraqis. It's fucking crazy. It's true, yeah. What happens next? Because my next note just says, in quotes, I smell skanks. Oh, yeah. So that night there's an illegal street race happening. Limp biscuit is playing. A lot of bit of Limp biscuit. Limp biscuit is playing for 20 seconds maximum, which I really like.
Starting point is 00:20:13 You get the rolling, rollin, rollin bit and then it just nothing else. No more than this is also the first appearance of something that I hope does not become a theme in the franchise, which is that to establish the scene, we get a lot of shots of cars and of sexy ladies standing around the cars. Yeah, it's a very major focus. Yeah, there's a lot of sexy ladies as set dressing. And I'm like, I started to get worried, right? This is the 2000.
Starting point is 00:20:40 So these are all alarmingly thin sexy ladies as well. Yes, they are. Somebody owns Paul Walker for being white by calling him Snowman, which is pretty good. hilarious. But Vin Diesel and his crew arrive, and he says hello to two sexy ladies. And this is the point where Michelle Rodriguez walks up to these two sexy ladies. First of all, she says, meow, which I'm always saying this. And then she says, I smell skanks and tells him to fuck off because she's jealous. She's dating Vin Diesel.
Starting point is 00:21:14 There's two things going on here. The other is the kind of Auntie Don a bit about how men were socialized by just saying numbers to each other. Because Paul Walker meets a guy called Hector and he like pops the hood of his car. And it's like an, it feels like an hour and a half of, oh, yeah, I got the 27. Oh, you would have lived in 25, 38. And he's like, yeah, bro, 100%. Yeah. I don't know enough about cars.
Starting point is 00:21:39 This could be fucking gibber. They could be describing the contents of the fucking TARDIS for all I know. But I'm like, cool. Everyone, they're like, ooh, car. And Paul Walker's like, yeah, car a whole lot, man. Car. Car. Coal loads.
Starting point is 00:21:51 Whoa. four wheels and everything. Guy comes over and it's like, is this your car? And Paul Hollywood's like, I'm stood next to it, aren't I? And then you get a line where he's like, it's not how you stand next to your car,
Starting point is 00:22:02 it's how you drive it. That's so true. It's all that for the whole movie. That's really philosophical. So, Paul Hollywood has installed a nitrous oxide system in his car, despite the guy, the autoparts guy who works for
Starting point is 00:22:15 warning him that he's going to, like, destroy his car if he does this. And in order to, and he does this, in order to challenge Vin Diesel to a race. And because he doesn't have any money, he races him for the title to his car, like a need for speed underground.
Starting point is 00:22:32 Yeah. It's great. He's got, if I lose, you guys have the car, but if I win, I get the money and the respect. And I think it's really funny to out loud be like,
Starting point is 00:22:42 and if I win this, you guys have to like me. He's like so fun. In fairness, that does get them to laugh at him, which is deserved. Yeah. But so Vindiesl agrees to this, and they do a race featuring the finest CGI of the early 2000s.
Starting point is 00:22:59 They do a race, baby. They do a cargo room. I quite like, I quite liked this because there's some, I mean, like, how to show something on a screen is moving fast, more difficult than you'd think. And like, they do some creative stuff here where the horizon kind of warps, like when the enterprise goes to warp speed. Which I quite like it. They're trying to get a little creative with it. I like it. I was a bit disappointed when I realized the race is just a straight line. Yeah, it's like a one mile straight line. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:23 Isn't that the easiest shape? I think so. Yeah, but it's about speed. Yeah. It's pure speed. If you don't have to worry about like turning corners, you can really concentrate on how fast you're going in a straight line. This is illegal because in America they kill you if you try and race a car not in a circle.
Starting point is 00:23:38 Well, oh. Yes, absolutely. Okay, okay. This is a circle country. It's, this is oval territory. But so Paul Walker, he presses the button at the critical moment to like fire up the nitrous oxide thing. but it's been miswired or something because instead it makes the floor of his car
Starting point is 00:23:54 fall out like Fred Flintstone's car. Yeah, he goes to ludicrous speed. It's crazy. The whole hyperdrive shit starts hitting. Really good. Also, his like NOz monitor comes out of his like disc drive as a little screen that comes out and flips up. His car's got like computers in it.
Starting point is 00:24:12 Technology should never have progressed past this point. I love the idea of doing a big heist for my thick-ass CRT TV. my little awful, like, tape deck in my car. Don Torreto starts his fucking, like, boombox in the back of his car going, and you see these awful, like, fucking stereophonic speakers start bumping. Fantastic. That's what's up.
Starting point is 00:24:34 Don wins the race, and Paul Walker. Yeah, Paul Walker spins out. He, like, overflames it. Yeah. He drives honorably, but, like, too close to the edge and destroys his car. Yeah, yeah. And then they have a little. a bit of repartee.
Starting point is 00:24:52 And this genuinely felt like it was going to burst out into a musical number. It did actually because Vin Diesel's kind of like walking around his car, like talking to the crowd like, oh, your car isn't much car at all now. You car two car to the car. Seven, twenty eight. Oh, you wish you got a 59. 72. Don't you?
Starting point is 00:25:13 Oh, cars. There's also a bit where like, where Vin Diesel explicitly refers to me. Michelle Rodriguez as his trophy. That is explicit. And a bit that we missed earlier on is one of the other drivers, as they're about to set off, a sexy lady comes up to his window and invites him to grope her titty.
Starting point is 00:25:32 So, like, women are the reward you get for driving fast. But they're very fickle too, because she says to him, you can have me if you win or lose, and then he loses, and she goes, get the hell out of here, long beep. Mind you, that is jar rule. And it's like, yeah, it is jar rule.
Starting point is 00:25:48 It's really. That is 2001. Jan-Rul, yes, it is. Oh, all right. A guy who was willing to do a song for the end credits, if he could be in the movie and be shown absolutely striking out with two women. I don't know what's up with that. That's pretty good, man.
Starting point is 00:26:07 All right. It's like the kind of bargain I'd make to be in a movie. I want a cameo, but you have to shoot me in this hotel room chair. So, yeah, Vin Diesel is very much doing the kind of like actor in a musical. about to break into song voice for this. It's striking. But he's like, this is a life lesson for you, Paul Walker, about how you should, I don't know, always mind your surroundings or something.
Starting point is 00:26:35 And he's interrupted by the police, the LAPD. I have to say, because there is something wrong with my brain, the LAPD, Chevrolet Caprices, please me more than any of the like VroomVrum cars that I've seen so far. These old-fashioned cop cars are cute, actually. They should go back to these. We should knife the cops. Absolutely. They should only be allowed to have the sort of aqua car
Starting point is 00:26:58 from Germany that we saw that one time. Yeah, so everybody flees in a different direction. And we stick with Dom, with Vin Diesel. He like hides his car and tries to get away on foot. Unfortunately, this does not help him because in Los Angeles, it is illegal to walk anywhere on the sidewalk. And so the cops are immediately like, kill that guy, get him. They recognize him.
Starting point is 00:27:18 Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like, that's Dom Torretto from Fast and Furious. They're like, get on the mic, like, stop. Yeah. And he runs from the cops and he's about to get a got, but fortunately, Paul Hollywood is there in his car that Vin Diesel technically won. Yeah. To pick him up and drive him on.
Starting point is 00:27:36 Get him a lift. There is a little bit of a cool car chase, the cops crash. Pretty good. Yeah. My note's say, Paul Walker evades the police art imitating life. This is, that's true. That is, it is also in firmly in the, we had a cop car budget of one camp of police chases. Yep.
Starting point is 00:27:53 Which is, if you compare that to something like Frank Transporter 1, where it's like we have infinity cop cars, the second one is much better, but it's fine. But so they get away. And we see that Paul Walker is still doing his like, okay, you have to respect me now. You respect me, right? Are we friends? Do you like me? Did I unlock your loyalty quest?
Starting point is 00:28:14 You've admitted me to be in a circle, right? It's like, stop saying that. Like, that's a surefire way to not get into the inner circle. When, as they're sort of like discussing this, the natural enemy of the car racer, the bike racer. Yeah, yes. They've, they've, they've, they've, they've, fleed from the LAPD into someone else's territory. Motorcycle territory now. I love the idea of motorcycle territory.
Starting point is 00:28:40 It's his, yeah. The whole world is mad max when you start making a movie about cars. It's just like, yeah, the motorcycles live. around in Chinatown in front of a fucking statue of Confucius or something. They do, there's a sinister statue of Confucius. There's like a real flattening here
Starting point is 00:28:58 because we are in Little Saigon, but there is a statue of Confucius which did make me look to see whether or not Confucius had an entry on the Fast and Furious Wiki. Sadly, he does not. Please remedy this. But so...
Starting point is 00:29:10 Yes. The Vietnamese gang. These bikers, Johnny and Lance Tran, The Tran brothers. The trans. Hello to these two trans. Did you recognize one of these actors?
Starting point is 00:29:21 I did, but I couldn't place him. I don't know. Hello to Rick Youn, aka Johnny Tran, who was Zhao from Die Another Day, last scene having diamonds thrown into his face by Prince Bosnia. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Good to see you, buddy. Looking jacked as hell as well. Again, like, not usually one for men, not usually one for men, but, um, god damn, looking good.
Starting point is 00:29:41 Everyone in this movie, every man anyway, has a distinctive cool leather jacket. And also. Yeah. Really horrendous boot cut jeans. Yes. It's genuinely striking watching people get in and out of cars in this film because the boots, the boot cut jeans, they don't bend. It's just like a whole leg just comes out like a drain pipe. It's remarkable. So the trans, the trans are like, hey, we know. What are you doing in our fucking motorcycle territory? Four wheels. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:13 What's the matter? Don't have a sense of balance? Nice, nice wheel that'd make a great two motorcycles. And so, they fake them out as well because they kind of threaten them a bit and then leave and then change their mind, come back and shoot at the car until it explodes. Yeah, they spray the car with bullets. It's because they both go like, whose car is this? And like, Paul Hollywood's like, well, it's his car. He won it. And Vindies was like, well, I haven't taken ownership of it yet.
Starting point is 00:30:43 So that like, St Tran's just like, okay, so it's no one's car. Okay, fine. This is car nullius. I guess we'll shoot it. Yeah. And the thing blows up and like flies into the air because it's full of nitrous oxide. Okay, sure. Cool.
Starting point is 00:30:58 At this point, Dom is like, okay, well, we'll go back to my place because now you actually are in the inner circle. And I write down, oh, this is point break. Yeah, it's point break. It's point break. It's point break. Yeah, yeah. Once you realize that it's spike-off. It's crazy how much it ticks all of the same boxes in the same order.
Starting point is 00:31:18 It's point break. Late 90s, early 2000s, they only knew how to make point breaks. Like, the only plot that they would let you make is cop goes undercover in sub-community. Shown to my 50-year-old father point break and asked how he would make it now, and he cries and says, we can't, we don't know how. The same plot is Avatar as well. Well, we've seen. Oh, shit. What the fuck? That's an incredible realization.
Starting point is 00:31:44 It's all point break. Everything's point break. Everything's point break, except the remake of Point Break, which was just a series of music videos. 9-11 being transgender and point break. These are the things. So they go to the house party where there is a male-gays, lesbian make-out happening. Yes, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:32:04 One thing I do like is that Mia, like, Paul Walker's love interest, sees him coming. is like, oh shit, that's my love interest, and like it sort of does her hair a bit, which makes her a bit more agency, I guess. Yeah, it's nice, it's nice, but it like lets her even slightly want him as well. Yeah, it makes her a bit less of a trophy, but then the rest of the movie. Yeah, so, um, obviously. Mid-Diesel enters the function and is like, why the fuck are you guys throwing a party?
Starting point is 00:32:32 You all just let me almost get arrested. You're celebrating me going to fucking prison or what? He takes Max. He humiliates. Mac from Always Sunny again by taking his beer, his Corona, the only kind of beer in this movie, out in his mouth and like delivering it to Paul Walker and is like, okay, I'm going to let the paedophile drink your beer instead of you. How do you like that? I'm giving your beer to the peterfile. How do you feel about that? I would hate to have my beer taken from me and given to a
Starting point is 00:33:02 I don't want him at my house party. No. Can we please get him out of here? Yeah. But they're not I'm gonna because as Vin Diesel goes, I'm not getting the paed out of this house pie because he saved my life unlike you motherfuckers. Yeah, exactly. There's also a moment here where one of Vin Diesel's boys is making out with a girl and feeling her up and Vin Diesel tells him, take it upstairs, you can't detail a car with the cover on.
Starting point is 00:33:27 So women are cars, remember that. That's Jesse making out with that woman implausibly, which is crazy when you actually find out more about Jesse. Yeah, don't believe that. Yeah. Well, Jesse could be a lesbian The various Max I think that she is
Starting point is 00:33:42 Yeah Have a kind of now strained relationship With Paul Walker And they kind of threaten him a bit And then Mia is like Okay, come upstairs and have sex with me Or whatever Like, yeah
Starting point is 00:33:54 No, she's actually like Let me give you a ride home Ah, same difference She gets them out of the situation They do not have sex Yeah Oh also this is this is the first Mention of
Starting point is 00:34:05 An event that I'm not going to name yet But just to keep the surprise but a little car event in the desert. They say at the end. There's a big event coming up. Like, oh, we're doing like a meetup in the desert that's got a name. Yeah, we call it the denouement, right? Like, and we don't call it.
Starting point is 00:34:21 We call it something else that the cast of Kill James Bond we'll talk about later. But the next day, Paul Walker is out in the truck and he gets pulled over by the cops and arrested. And at this point, he must be thinking, oh, fuck, they found out I'm a pedophile. They take him in. And it's a fake out because they go to the cop house full of cops.
Starting point is 00:34:39 The LAPD would never arrest a famous paedophile, as we know. That's very true. Yeah, that's very true. We can be clear about that. If you see the LAPD arresting, arresting a famous pedophile, the one thing you can be absolutely certain of is that it's not related to the paedophilia, right? So they take him to like a house in the Hollywood hills. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:01 Or Switzerland, as Roman Polanski did. Vincent Buliosi, the then DA of LA County, has a story about just incidentally being like, oh yeah, I hid a tape of like, destroyed a videotape of Roman Polanski abusing his wife when she got murdered. So, you know, basically- The LAPD just do this, right? We'll do LA Confidential at some point. Anyway. Kill every American.
Starting point is 00:35:28 Paul Walker is an undercover cop. Yes. been sent in by a combined LAPD FBI investigation into who's been robbing these trucks. Yeah. We're point breaking. The FBI guy is like, we got a, like, there's time pressure on this because if we don't handle it, kind of disco-alegium style, the truckers are gonna handle it, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:52 The character of the trucker in this movie is so fascinating. We'll get into it more in the final scene, but like, I just love this concept of the truckers are going to start dealing with it. They're going to take matters into their own hands. They're a state within a state. Yeah. They're like, if we don't stop these CRTs being stolen from the truckers, they are going to take matters into their own hands and we, the FBI can't possibly stop them.
Starting point is 00:36:18 Well, here's the thing about a trucker, right? They're going to do a freedom convoy. If you, if you rob a trucker of his CRTs, he owns all of those, all the stuff in the back, they own that, right? That's why they're so incentivized to defend it with their very lives. The second a truck driver takes ownership of like parcel. He owns that until he gives it to you. It's technically his property.
Starting point is 00:36:39 Absolutely. There's Tom Barry in this scene, by the way, playing the sort of FBI guy. Wonderful. Cool. And they said it pretty clearly like, okay, get close to Tarasso, find out whether it's him or not.
Starting point is 00:36:51 Because if it's not him, he's so big of the underground racing scene. We think that people doing this are our surfers, excuse me, races, because they always rob in car, and they're good at it. So if it's not Toreto, he'll know who it is. So get close to him, but also watch out for him because he could be trouble.
Starting point is 00:37:10 So, yeah, because we know that he's violent. He's a violent guy, right? He's got a previous conviction for beating a guy almost to death. But so Paul Walker's character, Johnny Utah, Age of Consent Law, like shows up at Dom's garage the next day with a like totaled car. garage. Like a wreck. Yeah, and it's like, all right, I guess I'm in the inner circle now, right?
Starting point is 00:37:38 So because I owe you a car under sort of car driver laws, I have to restore this car at your garage and then give you the car. Yeah, we'll fix it up together in like a romantic montage. And then we'll use it to race Johnny Tran in the desert at the big de Numer event that will happen last. at the thing that happens later. We'll keep holding it back. Drives you insane when you hear it. Incidentally, this all gets very sexual, very first. Like Mia says of Dom to Paul Walker,
Starting point is 00:38:16 oh, he owns you now. Yeah. Yeah. Dom says, the fact that he's called Dom, says, I got to get you racing again so I can make some money off your ass. Every line is so. intensely homoerotic in this movie.
Starting point is 00:38:32 And I can't imagine that stops in the future. No, I think this was just the kind of like the 2001. I don't think the latent cultural queer phobia had like, it was still around, obviously, but I think in recent years it's really gotten turned up. And I think now people are like, oh, that's a bit gay. But back then, this was just like fucking homo-social shit.
Starting point is 00:38:50 Yeah, this is the kind of homosociality that you could do where so long as you called someone a faggot while you were recommending them a burger, you could fully like spit in their mouth. and it would be like straight guy stuff. All the men are gay, all their girlfriends and lesbians, and like, and that's normal. That's standard.
Starting point is 00:39:09 And some of the men are women, too. Some of us survived these environments, you know, and without even the benefit of having to, you know, having killed James Bond to listen to. Like, but you know who is definitely listening to Joe's Bond? It's Jesse. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:23 Because Jesse and Paul Walker, comma, pedophile, have this chat about what they're going to do with the car. Jesse comes up to me. after a live show and is like, hey, I work in a garage, like, doing stuff to cars, and I really like your podcast. It really helps me feel a bit less sort of, like, isolated. Yeah. Because it's a really, like, cis-hatt energy. Jesse has some, has some gender. Jesse gender. I think I described Jesse as a gum-chewing, ADHD having painted fingernail-wearing faggots in my notes. Yes. Yeah, that's true. But every time I speak of the painted fingernail having faggots, I do so with great affection.
Starting point is 00:40:03 I hope that's clear. Oh, I was the painted fingernail having faggars. I literally am. Yeah, like I see myself in this, in this, motherfair. You're allowed to paint you in there, you're a woman. It makes sense. Oh, I'm the gender that's allowed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
Starting point is 00:40:16 That's normal gender now for you. That's why you did it, right? Yeah. Jesse, Jesse is like, okay, so I used to be some kind of genius, but then I dropped out of school because I was, was having some trouble with my mental health. For reasons I couldn't quite put my finger on at the time, I just felt very depressed and sort of alienated. I probably, like, had...
Starting point is 00:40:39 It felt really weird getting changed for PE. Yeah. Really weird, I don't know. Yeah, and had ADHD as well. Yeah. Specifically says, there's something about engines that calms me down. This is... Yeah, this is real.
Starting point is 00:40:56 This is one of us. I'm sorry. like. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We fully claim Jesse. Absolutely. I'm excited for Jesse to really like develop and blossom as a character that we can really kind of take as, you know, sort of under our wing.
Starting point is 00:41:08 Absolutely. I look forward to Jesse being played by a trans person in later. I'm sorry. Jesse will be excited. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm a fan of Jesse. But so he spent some time working on the car and we also find out that it's about family.
Starting point is 00:41:23 And in, in Dom's culture, brackets never defined. food is very important and family is also very important in their culture. They had a little barbecue which I quite like and even Vince is initially unhappy that Paul Walker the paedophile is there
Starting point is 00:41:40 but then he comes back as he rejoins the table he kisses Vin Diesel's bald head. Fascinating. My note say would you get that now? No, I don't think so. I really don't think so. Vin Diesel makes Jesse say grace
Starting point is 00:41:56 because as a family they're also about God brackets again kind of ill-defined Yeah They don't even use the word God actually Is there something perhaps cynical about the marketing of this That it's like
Starting point is 00:42:09 sort of suggesting that this is a very specific thing that most people I would suggest can relate to of like family food culture Being sort of packaged as like Damn it's crazy how specific this is Potentially outside of the Nordic countries I don't know anything about the market It's kind of the same thing, peeky blinders ended up becoming in pop culture.
Starting point is 00:42:30 Anyway, so Vince McRomew or Sonny, kind of sexually menaces Paul Walker as he's in the kitchen cleaning up after dinner. Yeah, he does. He says, and this is verbatim, I didn't get it as a drop, just see if this activates anyone. Me saying this. Where your favorite dress, because I'm putting you on the street where you belong, cutie. Pretty good. And he says that, yeah, he just says this to Paul Hollywood. Unprovoked, for no reason, just being like,
Starting point is 00:43:02 hey, by the way, you're a woman and a sex worker. And, like, just tick all of those three boxes off at once. And it's like, come on. You did this to try and establish kind of sexual dominance over him. Yeah, like homophobic harassment is, yeah. And transphobic as well. Like, there's a sort of mention of dress wearing. It's like strange.
Starting point is 00:43:26 But to sort of spite Vince, Mia asks Paul Walker out on a date, like, in front of Vince. It's like, why do you take that to do that? Yeah, like a specific sort of emasculation. I like the idea of you being in a dress, actually. You would hate to be the date, the date sort of that you get for, like, to spite someone else, you know? But whatever. Yeah, like that runs out after like the first minute, I would say, of being on the date. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:50 Like, what do you talk about after that point? Yeah. Probably just about how nice the dress you're wearing makes you feel. We see them on that date and we see that Paul Walker is like, um, comparative, like 2001 sensitive in that he, he tries to say like, hey, just so you know, you have value as a person and an individual. And he lets, like, I'm doing heavy air quotes here. Let's her drive him in her car as well.
Starting point is 00:44:19 Oh, no, I'm sorry, no. We need to like slow down because a couple of things happen. The first thing that was, sorry. Yeah, we're skipping way ahead. That happens way later. Paul Walker just does like RPG dialogue trees where he's like, tell me more about Dominic Toretto. Tell me more about family.
Starting point is 00:44:33 Yeah. Just click on the highlighted word family in the text. What I've done is I've displaced the date later to earlier in the narrative. The next thing that happens is he goes back to work and Hector, the guy from the street race, shows up. And here's a really funny line, which is he says that he wants three of everything. I made a list, which you have to imagine as a short list, just as three of everything. Now, this is a classic misdirect, because obviously our undercover cop here is looking for three identical, heavily modified Honda Civics for the heist.
Starting point is 00:45:08 So he's like, oh, Hector's ordering three of something, and he like name drops for it's for Hondas as well. So, like, oh, maybe this is our guy. That means that he goes that night to break into Hector's garage. Yeah, warrantless search. Yeah, is instantly knocked unconscious by being hit over the back of the head with a shotgun butt, which, ow! Yeah, that would hurt. And Vince sort of drags him in front of Dom and says, again, another strange light. Vince has some stuff going on. Vince, Vince is on Grindr, first of all. He says,
Starting point is 00:45:43 he moves like a cop. He moans like a cop. He moans like a cop. He moans like a cop. And I checked to the subtitles. Yes. Really? Can you hit me with it again? Yeah. Moes like a cop. Moens like a cop. Are you sure?
Starting point is 00:45:59 I checked the subtitle, genuinely. He moans like a subtitles on Amazon. Okay. I don't think so. The subtitles otherwise seemed accurate. They had like punctuation. They were well timed. I think that's pre-A-I sub-tied moves,
Starting point is 00:46:14 but he says it like moves. So like maybe he does say moans. Who knows? He, it's immediately after he like grabs him and Paul Walker moans. And he goes, moans like a cop. It's a conversation you're having with the filmmakers, you know, you build this sort of interpretation. Yeah, you bring your own meaning to it. Yeah, exactly. I don't know that even I have a sort of database entry for how a cop moans, but I do believe that's the line. Of course,
Starting point is 00:46:39 I would never fuck a cop, so I hope never to find out. Yeah, moans like a cop. I have sex, so when they moan like a cop, you're like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I don't know. Yeah, if you're a cop, you got a moan out immediately. Yeah, if they do spy cop shit to you, They do, legally, they have to moan like a cop, yeah. The also cop-o-ophile, if you go, are you a cop, and they go, then you know, you know. But so, he convinces them that he's not a cop, by virtue of going, it's about family. And he says, I was trying to find out whether or not they were, like, cheating or something
Starting point is 00:47:20 ahead of denouement event. Yeah, ahead of the race. And Donald's like, I believe this implicitly, let's go and check on the trans. And so they sneak into the Trans Garage. Just before putting on an episode of Kill James Bond. They sneak into the Trans Garage. A lot of really well-fitting mechanic suits in that.
Starting point is 00:47:41 A lot of CRDs in there too. Yeah, and DVD players, weirdly. Yeah. And Johnny and Lance Tran bring in a, like, they come back, almost catch them, but they've brought in a guy who they think has snitched on them. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And because this movie kind of remembers it, it's a crime movie at this point, they try and like, force-feed-him motor oil in a kind of three kings way.
Starting point is 00:48:11 It's a little bit horrifying. Yeah. It's to establish that the trans are dangerous. Yeah. Um, entering into sort of male spaces, etc. After they're done, like, sort of like making him drink motor oil, Johnny tells him to, like, kiss his shoes. And then when he tries to, he like, kicks him in the side really hard, which is... I thought you'd like that bit.
Starting point is 00:48:31 Yeah, I appreciate it. It's a classic Dom move, for sure. Yeah, it's good a Dom move in the sense of the movie, Dom. That's a classic Domteretto move. Yeah, yeah. That's actually what Dom is short for in the sexual context. Yeah, Dominance Toreto. Dominic Toreto.
Starting point is 00:48:48 It's a Dom-sub relationship, Dominic Tereto and me. 24-7 Dominic Toretto relationship. Which one are you? That's literally just Pillion. You're describing the film Pillion. We're doing it at some point. We will do it soon, I hope. But so they...
Starting point is 00:49:11 Fuck, they're like... The FBI are like, it must be the trans. We're ready to pin all the... Yeah, it's the trans. evils of the world on the trans, you know, which was ever thus. At this point, one of the FBI agents says, oh, I fucking Johnny Utah,
Starting point is 00:49:27 Paul Walker paedophile. I think that you don't think that it's Toreto because you're too busy hitting on his sister. Like, I'd get off on surveillance photos of her too and Paul Walker attacks him. Yeah. But then you're basically like, are you sure it's not Dominic Tadourner?
Starting point is 00:49:43 You're not going native, are you? That's the expression that they use. It's a classic kind of undercover cop thing of like, oh, maybe you're getting like real loyalty to these people because of how about family it is. And so, Paul, because like, no, trust me. Give me, give me like a, you know, 24 hours or whatever. Can I ask the question? He says, give me some time and the guy goes, if I, if I want time, I'd buy the magazine or something like that. And I think that's a really good line. I like know, I might use that. Can I ask a question? Yeah. If I wanted people, don't know.
Starting point is 00:50:12 You know how in the lives of others. I wanted news. If I wanted a private eye If I wanted to find out about USA today If I wanted the London review of bucks You know how in the lives of others They had to invent a Starzy agent Who was nice And that never really happened
Starting point is 00:50:40 Has there ever been a cop Who has like Found out how about family it is in the spaces they've infiltrated and therefore had a change of heart? Does that ever happen? So this is an interesting question. There's a lot of spy cults would have claimed
Starting point is 00:50:51 that's what happened, for sure, when they were selling their books to the... It's sort of unfulsifiable because if they do and it works, then they would have an incentive to lie anyway. There's a number of guys in like the Russian Revolution who were like, Zaris secret police and also Bolsheviks
Starting point is 00:51:08 who ended up when the Bolsheviks won being like, oh yeah, I was with you guys the whole time. It might have been true. For some of them, we don't know. In terms of, like, modern police fans, I can't think of a time when it's, like, happened. And, like, the closest I can... One in the LAPD, yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:28 Was Serpica, arguably, like, no, wait, that doesn't... It doesn't quite map. Yeah. Chris Dornow doesn't quite map. Well, listeners, if you're an undercover police officer, write in. Yeah, if you're an undercover cop who is, like, sort of found that your loyalty to, the people that you're infiltrating is sort of greater than your loyalty to the police and you end up sort of like giving up on the cop thing and just and just kind of going with them, then thank you for supporting the Patreon, most of all. Yeah, here's what I need you to do.
Starting point is 00:51:59 Call a meeting with your superior officers, get in there with a sort of a vest on, a kind of a vest. We're referring, of course, to a vest containing a hidden camera so that you can legally expose all of that. Yes, you can legally expose them across like a... couple of blocks. Just like a sick leather vest like supercoat. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, wear a sick, fringe leather vest like surpico. If you're in the American military,
Starting point is 00:52:23 frag your superior officer, now! Do it now! So he breaks into Dom's garage, where Dom has a really sick... He doesn't break in. They're just walking. He just walks into Dom. Yeah, Vin Diesel welcome to him and says,
Starting point is 00:52:37 let me show you this very silly car. Do you want to see my awful fucking car? You see my stupid car? This is post date. They have the date and then they go to... I'm sorry, I think the Dodge Charger with the gigantic air scoop is cool. But like, he's like, this is my backstory car. I have it because of trauma.
Starting point is 00:53:00 Yeah. I like Vin Diesel's acting in this scene because he says my dad was a stock car driver. Another driver put him in the wall dangerously. And I watched my dad burn to death. A couple weeks later, and I saw a little. the driver who did it out and about and I went to punch him and I just sort of lost control
Starting point is 00:53:20 and kept punching him and that's the guy almost beat to death and I like Vin Diesel's acting in this scene that he's almost like still confused about why he did this and we're like oh shit and he says when I race I feel free like I don't have to keep myself on a leash all the time and it's like oh wow
Starting point is 00:53:36 that's actually quite well written and well acted yeah this is this is when he says the line which is I live my life a quarter mile at a time I sort of like am aggressively against the idea of like thinking anything through. Incidentally, one of the things he says of the guy he beat almost to death is that he is now a high school janitor and he has to take the bus to work every day, which is the ultimate kind of emasculation. He doesn't drive his own car or anything. Yeah. He caused him his ability to drive.
Starting point is 00:54:07 Fuck. Meanwhile, like during the date scene between Paul Hollywood and his love interest, Mia Torado. We get a very like perfunctory sex scene between Dom and Lettie just sort of to remind us that the guy's straight basically because he's done nothing but be on.
Starting point is 00:54:26 I'm watching the, I'm scrubbing through the TL right now. The only other thing is that he says that he's never driven the Dodge Charger with the gigantic airscuit because it scares him and it was his dad's car. Yeah. Oh yeah, you're right, you're right.
Starting point is 00:54:41 Yeah. So on the date, between Paul Walker, Brackett's, Peterfile and Mia Torado. Paul Walker's doing this. His dialogue tree thing, he's like, tell me more about this shit. There's also a moment where she says, Mia Rodriguez
Starting point is 00:54:56 lived down the street from Dom, and then she turned 16, and Paul Walker, Peterfile says, oh yeah, and then Don was really interested in her, right? And it's like, uh, what? Presumably that was age appropriate in the script if they were the same age,
Starting point is 00:55:11 but Paul Walker was different. that shit at the age he was in the film. Yeah, don't like the look in your eye on that line then. Then they go for a drive at the same time as a heist is taking place. Interesting. It's not a heist. It's, we get an awesome cop montage. Oh, yeah, it's the SWAT thing, right?
Starting point is 00:55:32 That's later, that's immediately after this. Yeah, it's the next day that they're like... For sure, I'm scrubbing through the fucking... It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. But so, like, the next, the next, day, they get Paul Walker back into the cop thing and they're like, all right, we don't believe you and also we don't care and you're out of time. We're going to do the trans raid anyway.
Starting point is 00:55:53 And they let him take part, like in sleeping dogs. They put the undercover guy in a balaclava and they let him do the SWAT stuff. And point break. But you can tell it's him because of his blue ass eyes. Yeah. He slept with Mia at this point. So he's done spy cop shit to him. He has. Yes. Yeah. So they raid what the FBI guy describes as Tran and company. And It's just, it's a montage. While this is going on, Vin Diesel and Michelle Rodriguez fucking a garage. We appreciate the 90s SWAT team aesthetic with the MP5s. That's kind of cool.
Starting point is 00:56:24 But they arrest all of the trans, which, you know, I think we all knew was coming sooner or later. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they get fucking nothing, because it turns out all those DVD plays and CRT monitors were completely legal. You're telling me our plan to arrest all of the trans was doomed from the start. Yeah. And we have people everywhere. And the FBI say, Paul Walker, bracket's, pedophile,
Starting point is 00:56:47 if you don't catch the real criminals soon, we're just going to pin this whole thing on you. We're going to say it's your fault. Get fucked. So he tries one more time to get to Don by driving really fast in the car that they've now fixed, like out racing a smug Ferrari guy. And then driving him to a shrimp restaurant that I think was literally in point break and going,
Starting point is 00:57:09 hell yeah. Let me be in the movie. Let me be in the rest of the movie. I believe that it is, yeah. Tell me. Have you done any crimes? Speech 65 out of 70, tell me about the crimes. Please speak into the microphone.
Starting point is 00:57:21 You've got to let me in on whatever's going on. There's no fucking way that you are paying for all of this shit you do just with like the garage. He's giving real like a guy who turns up to one left wing meeting and is like, we should do more illegal stuff. You know? Like, it's kind of, it's a little bit obvious. And so, but Dom is like, tell you what, we'll go to denouement. And then once we go to Danu More, if you still want to do it, then we'll talk. Yeah, you got to win the big event.
Starting point is 00:57:49 We got to go to the big event. And now we have no excuse, unfortunately, because the next scene is the big event. Yep. The big event, which is introduced by a wet t-shirt contest because, of course, and then a huge bunch of, like, cars and, like, security and stuff, they're letting people through. And one of the security guards, uh, like, leans in to the window and says, blithely, What's up, man, welcome to race wars. Welcome to race wars.
Starting point is 00:58:16 You can't race, race wars. Yeah, they were just calling it race wars for the whole fucking movie, absolutely. You can't call it race wars. That's crazy, because the initial, like, fucking, like, the first scene we get where Paul Hollywood goes to the fucking, like, car meet, it opens with, like, introducing various cars and, like, everyone is grouped racially. Like, they do it. And then they introduced for the next race as race wars. And it's like, brother, you can't call it that.
Starting point is 00:58:49 They were actually selling t-shirts and hats, but they just weren't selling until someone was like, oh, oh. Well, as November says, they have security guards there. Who's organizing this? Who's putting race wars together? And why do the security guards' shirts not say race wars security? They just say security. I would fucking kill for that shirt.
Starting point is 00:59:10 Who's organizing race wars? A question normally asks and a very different type of podcast politically from us. I guess right now, the United States government, I suppose. Oh, yeah, I guess. Oh, bloody clowns in Congress.
Starting point is 00:59:26 So, just very blaseo, like, hey, man, welcome to race wars. It's very much like, hey, what? Is it what? It's decided? Oh, no. Huh?
Starting point is 00:59:34 Yeah. Me and Tony Hawke are getting fucking got. Like, I, I mean, sure, we deserve it. but like, you know, it's rough. I didn't expect it to happen so soon. Also, the movie then does, I would say, one of my least favorite things, which is trying to have your cake and eat it
Starting point is 00:59:52 as far as misogyny goes. Yes. We get a guy who is billed in the credits as Rasta Racer. Uh-huh. Because his dreadlocks pulls up to Lettie, Michelle Rodriguez, and goes, you should be watching from the side you shouldn't be driving a car
Starting point is 01:00:12 because you're too sexy Yeah he's a misogynist Not like you know The movie which Again two shots ago Photography Had a wet t-shirt contest
Starting point is 01:00:23 In it for no reason Like every time listeners Every time we cut to a scene with cars We see cars and we see sexy ladies Yeah They're co-located That's constant yeah In the same hex square
Starting point is 01:00:35 And women are trophies It feels like a kind of court-ordered scene of her beating him. Yeah. To be like, so we're not misogynist. We have like one minutes of girl power and girl power is when... No other main characters are in this scene. It's just here on her.
Starting point is 01:00:50 I'm like, I believe this was a reshoot. It might well have been. Like, you could imagine them being like, well, we need to show how the race wars, like, system works. Really solving the misogyny problem at race wars. So... So... Hacking out of race wars. Wars, we're like, man, this doesn't seem that like woke to me.
Starting point is 01:01:12 No. Yeah, I expected race wars to be woker. So, Jesse, the painted fingernails having faggot. Who, by the way, drives a VW Jetta, which is like... You've been so freed up to say that one. Well, because we're not woke anymore, because Trump got elected. I can say it. I feel good again.
Starting point is 01:01:31 The market's crashing, but we can say faggot. We're back. Yeah. You can say pussy in the arsler. I'm not going to say it. I don't want to say that one. I do want to say faggat. Yeah, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:01:41 You can't say faggot, though, and I'm going to because I enjoy doing it. Oh, yeah, you're allowed to, so, mine. If I've been called it often enough, you know, but so Jesse, Jesse drives a VW Jetta, which is dyke coded to me. It's like one step up from a Subaru Forrester. It is, yeah. And he's like, I'm gonna do the same thing that we, I, on film, laughed at Paul Walker for doing, which is go up to a guy who I know is better at racing than me and go, I'm
Starting point is 01:02:09 I'm going to race you for the rights to my car. In this case, Johnny Tran. It's Johnny Tran. He races Johnny Tran and Johnny Tran smokes him. He does. He does. Hard to imagine what this scene does other than establish that Jesse and Johnny are still in the movie. Well, Jesse, Jesse crashes out.
Starting point is 01:02:29 He really advanced Jesse, particularly. Metaphorically and just drives off. Just keeps driving. Just leaves. Yeah, he loses the race and he goes, alright, I'm going home. I'm hitting the brakes. Catch me if you can, motherfucker! Bye!
Starting point is 01:02:41 Yeah. He shares... They can. We just established this. Johnny, Johnny, brackets, pissed, goes to Jesse's Dom, and goes, I think you knocked on me, and that's why I got swatted. And this starts a fight, and because Dom has never knocked on anyone, and it insults his sense of honor to be accused of being a snitch.
Starting point is 01:03:03 Are Jesse and Dom brothers? I thought their brothers? No, they're just like... No, he just, like, picked up. Jesse one time because he's like an engine savant. All right, whatever. And I'd still let us know that they're wokeish. Yeah, so later on, Paul Walker overhears Dom leaving and...
Starting point is 01:03:22 Arguing with Mia. Yeah, Mia tries to get him not to, but he goes anyway. And at this point... She's like, don't go and commit crimes. And Vindy's like, we got to commit crimes. At this point... Because we are the crimes after all. Paul Walker wins the Brian Cox Memorial.
Starting point is 01:03:39 award for studies and intelligence. Yes, he does. Because he goes to Mia and he's like, Hey, I'm a cop, I'm an undercover cop. I'm an undercover cop. She's like, I knew it from the way you moaned. Like, had to tell her that to protect Vin Diesel, but not to have sex with her.
Starting point is 01:03:58 No. Yeah, she rightly calls him a bastard. And at this point, he manhandles her and is like, look, I did this to protect your brother. It's actually good that I, that I deceived you into having a relationship with me. the classic like, yes, I might have been sent here and I'm being paid currently to like have sex with you to infiltrate the racing crew. But I actually feel some way towards you right now.
Starting point is 01:04:20 It's like, brother, you should kill this guy straight away. But she doesn't and instead we do the rest of the movie. They get in the car together and go to the heist. Which is point break. So the heist, the heist, the deal is as we've seen, the three Honda Civics kind of box in the truck, Vince, like harpoons the windshield off, harpoons his way into the thing, like clips this is sick, this is fucking sick. Like, it clips the sort of harpoon line to his von Dutch belt, which I, you can't imagine that that's load bearing, but whatever. Yeah, sick though.
Starting point is 01:04:55 But this guy, this trucker, this trucker, this trucker's, this trucker's looking motherfucker. Yeah. This guy knows about road war. He does. He has learned everything there is to learn about road war. It's happened. The trucker has taken it into his own hands. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:11 He's got a shotgun. He's got a fucking shotgun. Yeah, there's a kind of surprising turn to like deathproof grind house horror here. It's not bad. Yeah, it's really good. This woke me up a bit genuinely of like Vince is sort of like attached to the truck and sort of like dodging the guy shooting through the door. Yeah, it's like dangling off the side of it.
Starting point is 01:05:33 Because the truck doesn't stop, by the way. This is all done on the roof. That guy is the best in the world at delivering DVD players. He is, and I think this, is a Good Night Cross or Cronstein Rosette for this truck driver? He definitely goes above and beyond, but whether it's... The forces of law and order. Like, he's a stalwart defender of private property, right? He's got 10,000 sex-asses in the back of that truck, and he is not going to let them get in.
Starting point is 01:05:56 And he owns them technically until he gets to his destination. He's trying to outlaw these fucking sex-asses. No, this is a great scene. Like, it's all done on the move. They're all driving the whole time. It's sick. Like, this is what you watch Fast and the Furious for, right? Yeah, it's well filmed.
Starting point is 01:06:09 It's not CGI fucking computer bullshit either, as far as I can tell. Like, it's pretty, you know, well done. They're jumping from car to car. Sick. And he runs Lettie off the road. And one of the other guys who looks like Mack from all his sonny has to go back and rescue her. Yeah. Meanwhile, Paul Walker and Mia catch up with the heist.
Starting point is 01:06:34 And they end up rescuing very much. after Dom gets run off the road. Yeah. There is a nice moment where Vin Diesel goes to check on Marcel Rodriguez and he tells her that he loves her. I'm like, oh, okay. The truck driver gets away clean, by the way. He's just successfully thwarted the robbery.
Starting point is 01:06:49 Those sex asses are delivered. Yeah, he's like the fucking truck driver from Duel in a lot of way. You see him every so often and it's just like his car is him. It's like not, you can't separate the characters out. The attitude this movie has to The Trucker as a camera. character is fascinating. It's so fascinating. The truck is going to take things into their own hands.
Starting point is 01:07:11 As opposed to the noble car driver, if you drive a vehicle with any number of wheels other than four, you're evil. It's through all this movie. The truck driver is like a kind of buffalo, right? And that it's sort of like large and slow moving, but extremely sort of like prone to like violent power if attacked. Huge part of us as well is that it's the American. and style truck. I think if this was like a fucking cab over engine scania type bullshit, no one would like it at all.
Starting point is 01:07:42 Yeah, no. Movie would not be exciting. No. This Optimus prime motherfucker, I hope this trucker comes back as a recurring villain actually. It's about truck family. But so Vince has been fucked up. His, like, arm has been kind of wrapped in the harpoon cable. And so... And the truck driver is getting ready to execute him at this point. Vince is like trapped on the truck and the driver is just holding a shotgun waiting for the poker's head up. That truck driver will not hesitate to let it bark. Like, I think you can be clear about that.
Starting point is 01:08:13 And so Paul Walker, comma, pedophile has to leap on to the moving truck and extract Vince out of there. It's very good. It's very dramatic. Yeah, he rescues him and they have to, they just pull over and let the truck go. And they have to tourniquet Vince's arm with the fucking 2000s of on Dutch belt. You know the one, I mean. The one with the, like, three rows.
Starting point is 01:08:32 Yeah. But so with Don there to witness it, Paul Walker decides he's going to die. I better call cop 911. Yeah. The special better 911 they have for cops. He pulls up the phone and goes, it's me, Officer, like, Officer, like, Brian. Officer Brian, whatever. Officer Brian Peterfile.
Starting point is 01:08:55 There's some good acting here because Vin Diesel doesn't, Officer Brian Peterfell. Why did they employ that guy? It's a basic failure of betting. I mean, like, it went through the background test, but he's not actually our paedophile. His name is just Brian paedophile. We have to let him. And he's like, why should I change my name there that wants to suck?
Starting point is 01:09:14 Has it on the stab vest a little patch, like PC-5-6-309, pedophile? It's like a career name, you know? Like back in the day, my family were the child. It comes from the Greek. Yeah, my name's Smith, but I don't know how to, like, Smith anything. like family were Greek child finders.
Starting point is 01:09:36 It's not my fault. Greek child. What the fuck? I've got from a family of Greek child like this. Is Peter Fadner? No, hang on, philis is Greek. Yeah, it means like lover of children, right? Perfect.
Starting point is 01:09:52 In the same way as like, the joke landed. Cinephile doesn't imply that you're molesting the movie, but like Peter Fild does. It's an audiophile, yeah. Yeah, that's a real like, how come you drive on the parkway and park on the driveway type joke construction, but yeah. Why do you in the oven, if your fridge is the oven, why do you, and the oven is hot food? Yeah. If you're a weanophile, what the fuck is wrong with you? Like, get help. Me, me talking about straight people.
Starting point is 01:10:23 I know what, no, wait, no, I know if you're a weanophile, that's crazy. When are you like winer's? What are you like, wine? No, wine. Or somebody who loves wine. Oh, E-N-O... Yeah. Yeah. Oh, file, yeah. He calls Cobb 911.
Starting point is 01:10:38 Like, GAO-L meaning jail. Vin Diesel doesn't have any lines here, but he does have a reaction shot and it's really, really good. Anguish, yeah. He's so angry and we're like, oh, is he going to lose control? Like, he's just such a controlled guy. It's good acting. You know what? Fucking massive shout out to Vin Diesel here.
Starting point is 01:10:54 You do see him absorb the full weight of what is being said and like really fucking, like, think about it. Yeah. Good acting. And ultimately, he sort of like flees the scene and you get the like air ambulance landing next to Paul Walker, just completely alone in this kind of like scrub field. And the thing is, that's quite good. If you give me the idea of the sort of big emotional hit of this being something slightly different from point break, which is if you try and have both, you don't get to keep
Starting point is 01:11:25 either and you kind of forfeit both of your found families being a cop and being a cop and being in the kind of like cool racing bros and you're just left completely alone that's interesting that's kind of you're like spiritually bereft that's a that's an interesting ending uh but it's not the ending no the film could have ended there but it doesn't and i actually appreciate a film that gives us like two action climaxes back to back he made 11 more yeah um so back in town uh paul Walker goes to arrest Vin Diesel who comes out of his house with a shotgun and it's all very fucking tense. At this point Jesse arrives and he's like, hey, I'm so glad that I found you. I feel much better now. I'm happy to be alive and in the movie. I can't wait to come back in.
Starting point is 01:12:10 Too fast, too furious. And then you hear the motorcycles. I've been having an unrelated crash out the whole time, which is good. Also, I just realized something about my gender. Hmm. And then the transomers. motorcycles come around the corner and Jesse, Jesse got's got GTA 4 style, you know? He does. Johnny Tran drives by and holds down L1. There is nothing those games didn't rip off. So yeah, Jesse is fucking compromise to a permanent end. Jesse dies.
Starting point is 01:12:45 Jesse, he's killed. Yeah. Well, I assume so. We don't really see the final fate of either him or Vince, they might be back, but... I'm looking, I'm looking in the filmography and... I'll take a look at, yeah, yeah, yeah, Chad Limburg's filmography doesn't... Dead, dead, dead, fast and furious. Weirdly enough, Vince is back.
Starting point is 01:13:04 Sometimes when characters are killed off, I'm like, well, maybe they're not really dead. Just like, no, they're dead, they're not coming back. Unfortunately, you don't have the kind of the straight-coded plot armor. Weirdly, Vince does come back, but not until Fast and Furious Five, a full decade after this one. What the fuck, don't, spoilers? He's just shitting around for, like, four movies. Anyway, moving on so. So both of them are chasing the trans.
Starting point is 01:13:26 Vin Diesel, Dom drives the extremely sick dodge. And my note is, if it's so hard to kill a motorcyclist with a car, how come it keeps happening by accident? Because they go around fucking half of Los Angeles trying to kill these guys. Yeah. Well, Lance doesn't die. Vin Diesel runs him off the road and then observes that he's still alive and leaves him. Vin Diesel exercises mercy. Paul Walker, comma, paedophile, does shoot Johnny Tran dead.
Starting point is 01:13:54 He does, he does, yeah. My favorite thing here, which is the car equivalent of taking a knee, where he just, like, turns to the side really fast and stops and then shoots the guy out of the window. Yeah. He then, he then, like, flees the scene of his own officer-involved shooting to chase after his boyfriend. Because, well, first of all, Johnny Tran was firing first, so this is provoked.
Starting point is 01:14:16 But there's a nice moment where Paul Walker kneels down next to him and checks at his dead. and we do get a reaction shot moment of being like, yeah, I did just kill that guy. So it is, it's treated seriously, which I like, just these nice little touches, you wouldn't get that in a movie these days, it'd just be sort of gunned down,
Starting point is 01:14:31 but we do get this moment of like, oh yeah, he'd just take a human life. Yeah, yeah. But so he catches up finally with, um, with Dom, who is, it's just, stop the lights. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:45 And because he lives his life a quarter mile at the time, he, he says, This is the quarter mile at a time that I live my life at. Yeah. Because I used to drag race here. Actually, what he says is I used to do drag here in high school, which based... Yeah, and my notes say, yes, queen.
Starting point is 01:15:04 Or she was riding that down, diligent. He did not get better to drop on, so I was, I was too busy getting... So, man, welcome to race wars. I wanted to do a supercut of every time someone says race wars in this movie, but I just didn't have the time. be really good. Yeah. Interesting part of Dom Toreto's backstory that he used to be a drag queen. That's really cool.
Starting point is 01:15:23 That comes back. But he says, as soon as the lights go green, I'm gonna run for it. And Paul Walker's like, I'm gonna have to arrest you. I'm gonna do the way from point break, but... Yeah. Yeah. And so they drag race together. And at the end of the quarter mile at a time that Dom Toresso lives his life at, there's a train
Starting point is 01:15:44 that's about to cross. And I... They jump the tracks. Just in time. Dom is like clearly intending some kind of suicide maneuver here, but instead just crashes his car super coolly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, they get this moment where they clear the tracks in the train
Starting point is 01:16:02 and then they look at each other like, that was sick, I can't believe we've made it. And then hilariously, Finne does it goes, oh no, and it gets a truck and pulls out. It's really, really funny. Yeah. But so Paul Walker is like just gives him the keys to his kind. Yeah, he's fine.
Starting point is 01:16:19 He owes him the car. He owes him a car, yeah. He goes, I owe you a 10 second car. And Ben Diesel's like, what is the car? Cars. Cars. Family. It's about family.
Starting point is 01:16:31 It's about family. It's a car. Sirens in the distance. Vin Diesel gets in the car and drives away. And then that's the end. That's the end. Then we get a two chains and of course Jar Rule song about the Fast and the Furious. That they only play for like a Meezerer.
Starting point is 01:16:48 minute and then fade out, which I think is unbelievably disrespectful. It's so insulting. It's such a crazy. This movie's soundtrack budget is crazy. And by soundtrack budget, I don't mean licensing, I mean commissioning. There are multiple songs written for this movie in this movie that it uses no more than five or ten seconds of at a time, which is bizarre. Like 10 seconds of another one bites the dust earlier on. It's like, do you have to pay for it?
Starting point is 01:17:18 If you get 10 seconds, or is that like a freebie? You get a post-credit scene of Dom in Mexico. Really? Yeah, apparently. Oh, I didn't know this. What the fuck happens? Tell me. In a post-credit scene, Dom is seen driving through Baja, California, Mexico.
Starting point is 01:17:33 Baja! I don't have anything in Baja. In a 1970s Chevrolet Cheval. Cool. Yeah. Is that it? That's the movie. That is the movie.
Starting point is 01:17:45 That's the movie. Unfortunately for us, this movie, this movie had a budget. 38 million dollars. It made... Really? Is that all? Yeah. Yeah. Really?
Starting point is 01:17:55 Yeah. Holy shit. And it made... And it made $200 million. So, immediately... I believe it. Immediately they greenlit a sequel and Vin Diesel was like, I don't want to be in that. And instead of being in the sequel, Vin Diesel went to make triple X another film we will watch.
Starting point is 01:18:16 Are you telling you, I get to that? not in Too Fast to Furious. He's not in Too Fast Too Furious, no. No. That's hilarious. And to be clear, like, every single, like, every single cast member in this was, like, essentially their third choice. Like, they wanted... Yeah, they offered it to a bunch of other people, didn't they?
Starting point is 01:18:38 And, like, there were a bunch of actors who were offered Dom Terretto who said, I'm not doing that. It's stupid. Yes. Yeah, they wanted Timothy Oliphant, I believe. Would she say, well, we've seen Timothy Oliver and stupider movies than this. He was a diehard four. True. But the reason why the reason why he didn't do it is because he had done
Starting point is 01:18:57 Gone in 60 seconds and Gone in 60 seconds was so stupid that he was like, I'm not doing, I'm never doing this again. Like, Hell yeah. This was a way better movie than Gone in 60 seconds. Sarah Michelle Geller, Curse and Dunst and Natalie Portman all auditioned. for Mia Torretto before they cast Jordana Brewster. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:20 Damn. Hell yeah. Good for all of these guys. Fuck me, then. What's Triple X apart? Oh, shit. It's about a secret Asian. Oh, it's like an action spy movie.
Starting point is 01:19:29 Vin Diesel is American Extreme Sports James Bond. We'll do it at some point, but not. I have a weirdly vivid memory of seeing the sequel, which starred Ice Cube, Quadruple X. In the cinema on my birthday when it comes. came out. Jesus fucking Christ. Anyway, this movie,
Starting point is 01:19:50 it's got the finest masculinity of the 2000s, which is to say, women are objects like cars. Yeah, women are not people in this film, and that is unfortunate. Women are a reward
Starting point is 01:20:00 you get for driving fast. Or women are set dressing. But also, it seems like the real reward for driving fast is getting to hang out with your boys who are like families
Starting point is 01:20:10 to you, and you get to be kind of homosocial with, you know? Well, yeah, as always. As we know from homosexuality, like, women are for fucking and for contempt, but real respect is reserved for your fellow men, right? Yeah, that's your kind of deep emotional connection, yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:26 Yeah, yeah. Masculinity is a sort of, it's a function of how many men you fuck versus how many women your girlfriend fucks sort of like mathematically put together, and that's how masculine you are. Yeah, that's right. My wife's a lesbian, that makes me the most masculine of all time. So I'm reading X, X, X, X, X, to the next level state of the union. on IMDVU right now. And this is fucking insane. We'll do it at some point.
Starting point is 01:20:49 We've got to watch that. It includes ludicrous carjacking a tank. It's great stuff. Stars Ice Cube, Samuelor Jackson, Willemdiffo, Exhibit and Ludacris. What a fucking world. Yeah, all right. Maybe I'm doing that next, actually.
Starting point is 01:21:02 Yeah. So, but we don't have to talk about... Oh, fuck. Scum. Yeah, sorry. We don't have to talk about the masculinity of the Fast and the Furious Brackets 2001 just sort of in an unstructured way,
Starting point is 01:21:14 like chumps, Because we have a scientific system on this podcast. It's called the scum system. It stands for smarm. Cultural insensitivity, unprovoked violence, and misogyny. On a scale of zero to seven, how smarmy is the fast and the furious, brackets 2001 film? I'd say it's down the lower end, maybe like a two or a three. There's a couple of bits just like, I owed you a 10 second car.
Starting point is 01:21:41 There's a couple like movie-ass lines, but not many. It's weirdly a lot. It's a weirdly a less smug point break than either point break. Yeah, it is. In the sort of making of point breaks, it's, I mean, the whole, like, I live my life a quarter mile at a time thing is a little bit smug. I think we're going to reach some commanding heights of smugness in this series. Yes. But we're starting relatively low, which is maybe one reason why it's so fucking boring to watch.
Starting point is 01:22:08 Oh, I disagree. I liked this. I had a good time with it. It's sincerely made. It's well made. It's exciting in place. It's got good acting in it. Like, I want to see where this goes.
Starting point is 01:22:18 I'm excited. I had a good time with this, and I can't wait for it to be the baseline for the next movies. I wanted it to get better. I would set the baseline for this at like three small. Three small? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so.
Starting point is 01:22:31 Yeah. There's not that many of it. Cultural insensitivity. Well, so this is an interesting one because Dom appears to run a multi-ethnic street racing crew, and everyone else is like. strictly along ethnic lines. It's sort of like, I come back to Saints Row again of like, we large entertainment corporation are attempting to grapple with like sort of what we conceptualize as urban
Starting point is 01:23:02 subcultures, right? And it's like, this isn't good in itself, but it is trying to be inclusive cynically in order to sell more people on the movie. Yeah. And it clearly worked in that regard. Yeah. And there's a couple of moments, like the statue of Confucius outside the Asian food market,
Starting point is 01:23:21 then I'm like, okay, not a big fan of that. Yeah. It's just confusing. There is a weird bit where the trans get arrested, where one of them, their dad, like, slaps them in front of the cops for, like, I guess, like dishonoring him by getting them, like being involved in criminality,
Starting point is 01:23:40 which is a bit like, I die. Yeah, so I suppose we're in. including lots of different people, but we're also sort of using some stereotypical shorthand, certainly not the most offensive ones we could have gone for, but still. There are two black characters in this movie. One of them is the Jara Rour cameo where he is motivated
Starting point is 01:24:00 by the prospect of a threesome, and the other one is the misogynist guy who's like, women don't know how to drive. Not so, the FBI guy. Oh, fuck, you're right. Yeah, completely forgot. Okay. The FBI director.
Starting point is 01:24:12 Okay, sure. It's above two. Yeah, it's a pretty racially diverse cast. It's a very racially diverse cast. I don't like the way that they're introduced initially in just sort of separate groups. Like these are the different races of races. White, black, Latino and Vietnamese.
Starting point is 01:24:30 Yeah. Asian. Yeah. I think it's a two, but it's not a two because of a mission. I think it's like earned two points. But I think I think it's like pretty low. There's nothing hugely offensive. There's no lines that specifically.
Starting point is 01:24:43 if it made me like suck air in to hear. No, no one's like a racial stereotype fully. Like, I wouldn't say. So I would do two or three. I'd give them two. I would give them two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's nice to have a,
Starting point is 01:24:59 have like a big franchise where the lead characters are all, it's like a racially diverse group of people and it's just like part of it. It's a colorblind subculture, which is nice. It's also true to L.A. Mm-hmm. That's true. Yeah. Unprovoked violence.
Starting point is 01:25:13 So we are meant to empathize with Paul Walker, Brackett's cop, and he does kill a guy, but the guy is already shooting at him. Yeah, and also shooting at a street full of people. So. Yeah. So, so, so, so Dom Teresso is like, is violent, but in a way that he clearly regrets and doesn't really have the language to articulate and doesn't really sort of understand, which I like. That's quite nice. That was one of my favorite moments of the whole. film. And I mean, that's sort of, it doesn't like hand you the answer. It doesn't really like stick with
Starting point is 01:25:50 that or go deeper, but that's a more interesting, more nuanced bit of masculinity than I suspect we're going to get from any of the later ones as well. Yeah, I really hope and do not believe for a moment that the franchise will like develop that aspect of his character. I would hate to see Dom Teresso get flattened by the franchise into sort of an action figure who was mostly a about kind of a nebulous concept of family rather than a guy who like had some like trauma and like kind of really dissociative experience of like masculine coded violence, you know. I don't know, we'll find out. I yeah, yeah, let them go up.
Starting point is 01:26:28 One. Yeah, sure, one. He doesn't really. He doesn't. And then just to just to ruin it at the end, misogyny. I think this is going to be pretty high. Kill these motherfuckers. Women are not people in this film.
Starting point is 01:26:41 We are set dressing or trophies. And even the word trophies use explicitly. And like, I think it's fine. If you, if you want to make a movie that's about masculinity and about kind of testosterone fuel racing, that's fine. That's like totally okay to do. But you don't want to reproduce the same misogyny in it without critique. You know, I asked myself, what if Paul Walker's character was a woman and was having to infiltrate this kind of very testosterone-driven subculture? Would that have been interesting?
Starting point is 01:27:07 Yeah. I mean, like, we know that depiction is not endorsement, right? And the idea that like, oh, these guys who are street races in 2001 Los Angeles might not have the sort of most refined attitudes towards women. Fine. But the movie doesn't either. And that's clear with things like the establishing shots of the wet t-shirt contest. Lots of shots of like women's midrifts and legs. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:27:31 When you see a car, you see a hot woman. It's like every shot is just the two things to sort of like connect with in your mind. Yeah. You can kind of tell when the thumb is on the scale, right? in the difference between you have a character say like cars is like women in that they're both property
Starting point is 01:27:47 and the movie kind of suggests for you to be disgusted or it sort of like remains neutral on it or as this film does goes and this guy's cool and he's right you can trust him on this one so I think it's pretty high
Starting point is 01:28:01 and it's gonna be six or a seven I would give it a six I would give it a point back for like giving the sort of baby's first women are people that it gives to Mia, right? Where it's like, oh, she can go on a date. She can, like, drive him around
Starting point is 01:28:17 and, like, she can be interested in him and pursue him. That's, like, worth one back to me, but it's still up there with, like, a six, you know? Well, that gives it a total score of 12, which is pretty good. That's pretty strong, you know? That's better than some of the early oceans movies. You know, it's less,
Starting point is 01:28:40 It's exactly the same as the first transporter movie, which is interesting. It's like a very good bond, even better than a man from uncle. Like, yeah, that's a pretty strong start. I'm looking forward to see how the franchise fucks it up. But, you know, I think if they brought the misogyny down, they'd really have something good on their hands here. Yeah, and I mean, also, I will say this is a film that in terms of our awards for it, we're giving out almost everything on this one.
Starting point is 01:29:05 We got a Brian Cox to Paul Walker. We have... A Crohnstein for Vince. A Crohnstein for Vince. And a good night for nameless shotgun trucker. Yeah. Good night for truck drivers. Sort of in the abstracts as a faction.
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