Kill James Bond! - S4E7: Ocean's 8

Episode Date: February 8, 2025

In the latter half of the 2010s, hollywood invented an idea called 'feminism'. What 'Feminism' consisted of was making new movies from studio-owned IPs, cast of entirely women. One example of this phenomenon is 'Ocean's 8', a movie about Danny Ocean's sister Debbie Ocean doing a girl heist for girl riches. For some reason we spoke about this for two full hours. ----- FREE PALESTINE Hey, Devon here. As you well know I've been working with a few gazan families to raise money for their daily living costs in the genocide. As a ceasefire has been announced, we hope soon plenty of Aid can get in and help alleviate the dire famine they're being subjected to. But until then, they still have to afford to eat, so we ask for you to keep helping them out, just a little longer. https://www.gofundme.com/f/a8jzz-help-me-and-my-family-get-out-of-the-gaza-strip https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-me-and-my-family-to-find-a-safe-place https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-us-maher-and-my-family-to-leave-gaza-to-belgium https://www.gofundme.com/f/htdcj-evacuating-my-family-from-gaza https://www.map.org.uk/donate/donate ----- This is an unlocked bonus episode, find the rest here, on our reasonably-priced patreon! https://www.patreon.com/killjamesbond ------ WEB DESIGN ALERT Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here:  https://www.tomallen.media/ Kill James Bond is hosted by November Kelly, Abigail Thorn, and Devon. You can find us at https://killjamesbond.com

Hello and welcome to another episode of Kill James Bond. I am November Kelly. I am joined as always by my friends Abigail, Thorne and Devon. Hey, it's girls night. What's up? Oh, it's November Kelly, I am joined as always by my friends Abigail Thorne and Devon. Hey, it's girls night. Oh, it's girls night, sorry. It's girls night, but Dev's also here, it's a girls night movie. Oh, I'm invading your spaces. It's girls night spelled with an X, right? It's women and non-binary people night.

It's women and non-binary people. This is the most welcome I've ever felt in a women and non-binary people night. It's, it's Grooxles Night. Grooxerals. Listen, it's, it's, it's a film, it's a film night for women and fems and afabs. That's right. Yeah. It's, it's a, it's a film night for female and female identified talent.

I went to a writing workshop once where I was the only trans person there and they turned to me when they said that and I was just like, okay, fuck you. They see you walking and they're like, we're gonna do a pronoun circle. And you're like, okay. Great, I'm gonna fucking kill myself.

I'm gonna get my dick sucked. I'm gonna kill myself. Sorry, I need to explain that to the listeners immediately. I'm just thinking of trying to replace like negative self-talk with positive self-talk, so instead of saying I'm gonna kill myself, just saying I'm gonna get my dick sucked. That's what that joke is. I'm sorry if that didn't make sense. And you busted that out on us with no warning. I wasn't getting my dick sucked at the female and female identified talent screenwriters going, okay, that was not what it was for. Female and female identify talent screenwriters going, okay, that was not what it was for! You were in the group chat, like, I'm having a horrible day, I'm gonna get my dick sucked,

and I'm like... Yeah, both me and Nova, like, huh. Interesting. Do you not enjoy that? I mean, I don't know, but like... Some people don't, you know, it gives them a lot of dysphoria sometimes. Yeah, not me though. It happens.

Write that down, though. It happens. Write that down. Canonical. As a very wise podcaster once said, since the dawn of time, women have been half of the people that there is. Yes. Right? And in the 2010s, Hollywood kind of caught up to this fact in the most performative possible way. Yeah. possible way. And so we had this rash of very insincere attempts to reboot existing beloved

IPs, and be like, but it's for and by female identifying talent. You guys love that, right? S. This film reminds me of the way that, like, the mannequin in the hall of presidents was clearly Hillary, and they had to re-skin it and make it Donald Trump. This is kind of the movie equivalent of that. They're just like, what if we just pretend Hillary won anyway? Yeah, this is 2018. Like 2019, 2018 was sort of peak woke before the COVID pandemic hit and everyone went insane online. And there was a massive backlash to this. This was when they were like, we're experimenting with the idea that women can be people, you know? We'll put them in movies and everything. This was when they were like, we're experimenting with the idea that women can be people, you know?

We'll put them in movies and everything. And in fairness this movie made like two hundred million dollars. Made a lot of money. Yeah, for two hundred and ninety eight million dollars, name eight women. Mmhmm. Uh, Celine Dion. Pretty good. End question.

Yeah. But yeah, so basically, they had made these three Ocean's whatever movies with Steven Soderbrand. And he was like, I don't want to make a fourth one, you know, I've said everything that I needed to say in, you know, across these three movies, which say nothing. The movies are the talking, you know. Yeah, exactly. RIP.

Seriously. Genuine rest in peace, actually. We'll make ourselves sad. Yeah, it's not R.O.P. seriously though. Genuine rest in peace, actually. We'll make ourselves sad. But so, yeah, he made these three movies, they're not very good, but he's like, well one of them is. And he's like, it's fine, I want to go out on the high note that was Oceans 13. And I don't want to come back, I don't want to do another.

So for this reboot, no Steven Soderbergh. No. father. So, for this reboot, no Steven Soderbergh. And I gotta say, I owe that man an apology. You know? Because, since they took him out of the picture, I understand what he was contributing, and it was making the film, if not good, then watchable. Because they replaced him with the guy who did Pleasantville. Um, go Gary Ross. I remember enjoying Pleasantville. I mean, I don't know how well it holds up, I haven't seen it in probably 20 years, but you do have to say it's one of the only films where a woman invents Kodachrome by gooning.

So you know, it's got that in its favour. I've not seen this. Very excited to get that joke. We should check it out. It's good. I will be. I will be. But so, they get this guy Gary Ross in, and they're like, alright, the deal is, it's

Ocean's 8 brackets women this time. Mmhmm. Yep. And so we open, we basically do like Ocean's 11 again, but it's Danny Ocean's sister, and I don't like that they made it his relative, I think they should have just pretended that the other Ocean's movies didn't happen. But it's Sandra Bullock is George Clooney's sister, so like, insanely good looking family. But they just do the opening of Ocean's Eleven again where she's on parole, from the exposition committee.

ALICE She's like, I promise I'm not gonna do any crimes. Yeah. ALICE When you say insanely good looking, there is a thing that I have to note about Sandra Bullock here, and this isn't like in any way really a criticism of Sandra Bullock, because I love Sandra Bullock, but she looks in this movie like she got out of facial feminization surgery ten minutes ago. Oh yeah, she's like a surged up baddie. She looks great. I don't know what kind of beauty salons they have in Chexnotes Prison, but they did a great

job. That's Norwegian prison. Getting a New Jersey prison rhinoplasty is, yeah. Whatever it is, it works, clearly, but it's striking, right? Yeah, it's very noticeable. I've never upset Zsuzsandra Bullock. No, no. And this does establish that Danny Ocean is dead.

Yes. He Ocean is dead. ALICE Yes! They do say that pretty front and centre, is, Danny Ocean is dead, he is not coming back. GARRETT I assumed, obviously, that this was one of those like, oh he's dead, wink, you know, he'll come back later on. No, dead. Dead. In the ground. ALICE No, no, he's really dead, yeah. They say, you're supposed to avoid anyone with criminal record, like your brother, and she's like, well, it's fairly easy, he's dead. But she also says that her excuse for being done for crimes is that she fell for the wrong

person. So she gets out and she collects her belongings. She does this whole parole hearing stuff where she does this whole parole hearing which is longer than in Ocean's Eleven because Orange is the New Black was on. And we see, we establish her duplicity because she does the whole White Woman Tears thing in the parole hearing, gets parole, and on the way out is like, evilly applying her lipstick in like, the sort of mirror of the guard station and negotiating cigarette smuggling with one of the guards on the way out.

They do the same joke as in Ocean's Eleven, where her only outfit is like, insanely cunty. So she's been arrested in an evening gown. An evening gown, and like, stunning full length trench coat too, actually. I will say the fits in this are phenomenal. She also has Danny Ocean's watch, it's not important. For the most part. She has it, just to establish that he's dead. Basically nothing that you see is important, right?

This is one of the least rewarding films to watch I've seen in a while, right? It's generally a bad sign when I'm sort of like, reading back in my own notes I'm visibly pissed off about something, like, this early? My third note about this movie is, is this lackluster, or am I just in a bad mood? And the next couple of pages are just me elaborating on the fact that no, it really is, just, this is very little here. But so we then go to the big, the other big problem with this movie, right, which is she goes to the big city, the big apple, New York City. It's a character in the movie. Which is where everyone is. I hate New York. I don't want to see New York anymore. Stop it. It's where Bergdorf Goodman is, the department store.

But what's really good about New York is that there are very lax laws about filming on the street. You know, you can just film anywhere in New York, it's great. That's true. However, if you're gonna make a kind of ten minute commercial for how easy it is to rob a department store because of how obliging their sort of returns process and customer service is, then they let you do that. They fully do. And so this sets up one of the big problems of this movie, which is the brands. This movie loves the brands.

There are brands involved, yeah. This is fascinating. 2018. This movie loves the brand. Yes! There are brands involved, yeah. This is fascinating. 2018. No opportunity to, like, sort of see a luxury goods brand and give you a full ten minutes of every character in the movie going, this is great, I like this, and you should buy these products. Or if not buy them, admire them.

It's so interesting to create a film which is about stealing luxury goods, which does not devalue the luxury goods. Because in real life, when luxury goods are stolen, they do tend to be devalued. If one steals, if somebody steals some luxury- If you, the listener, James, were to steal- If a person were to hypothetically steal some luxury goods, then like, a necklace or whatever, you'd cut it up, you'd like, sell it, you'd melt it down, and that's actually part of the reason that luxury goods tend to get stolen, it's because the people who actually own them handle them with care, and so they don't expect someone to just shove it in a bag and fucking

walk out, right? Yeah. Like the German guy who stole a bunch of paintings and then left them rolled up in his mum's attic for like 50 years. S Yeah, yeah. Well that couple a while ago who stole a bunch of luxury bottles of wine and just stuck them in their fucking boot and just drove till they hit the German border. ALICE Yeah, people aren't expecting you to just

be disrespectful towards these things. S Yeah. ALICE The paintings on the wall are free. You can just take them. S It's interesting that this film involves stealing luxury goods but also really reveres the brands they're stealing from. I think it's interesting that we've seen an Ocean's movie that has this amount of love for brands, and it was the 1980s one.

This 1960s even. This was like the original Ocean's Eleven, like, doing these actual casinos and be like, wow, their security's so good. Whereas this one is about actual brands like Cartier and the actual Met Gala. And be like, wow, their security's so good. And it's the same! It's the same again! It is.

They can't stop sucking Cartier's dick in this film. Like, brackets actual fallatio, not brackets kill yourself. Yeah, real. They can't stop killing Cartier. Yeah. There's another one like this that I'll get to in a minute, so what we get is this kind of Debbie Ocean... I've described it as a power Karen montage, where she gets herself back on top by shoplifting

a bunch from Bergdorf Goodman, conning her way into a hotel room, and then just kind of... LORENZO I will say. ALICE I will say. ALICE I will say. ALICE I will say. ALICE I will say. ALICE I will say.

ALICE I will say. I will say. Soak in the tub immediately post-prison, that's fine. I will say. These are some great shoplifting techniques, though, you can really take these home, you know? She takes them, like, fully open, like, she takes them off the shelf, like, wrapped up things, takes them to the front desk, and is like, hey, can I return these?

Like, they're not opened, they're, like, completely untouched, and they're like, oh, we need your card, and she's like, that's fine, whatever, I can give them away instead, that's fine, can I just get a bag to take them out, and just straight out the door. You can, hey, hey. ALICE It's good, it's good. SEAN That's like having a movie where they put a PS5 through as like, ten cucumbers or something, you know? It's like, yeah, okay.

ALICE This is real activist showmaking, it's giving you sort of tips that you can take home. SEAN Yeah, it's like how to blow up a pipeline, y'know? ALICE Step one! Reality shift to a dimension where security tags don't exist. SEAN Oh yeah, I remember those. ALICE You see?

You see? SEAN Yeah, that's fine. But so, we see that Debbie has this list that she's written in, like, prison-headed notepaper, so that you know that she wrote it in prison. And this is the bit that, like, in one of the other Oceans movies would be Brad Pitt and George Clooney exchanging a bunch of nonsense terms with each other. You know, like, we need four Blarney stones and a six pack of non-alcoholic Budweiser, or whatever the fuck, and then an hour and a half later you're like, that didn't mean

anything, fuck you. In this case, they just kind of gesture towards it, where she has this itemized list that you get little glimpses at that says, like, you know, 1979 Ford Galaxy, or Ella Fitzgerald, or whatever, and then they just never even gesture towards it beyond that. So you don't even get the satisfaction of a movie pretending to trick you, you just get a movie that kind of waves the thing around and goes, eh, isn't this kind of like the... ALICE Yeah. It's fucked up, because you really could, as well.

You can film that scene last and just have it be an itemised list of everything that happens in the movie, and your audience would be like, wow, that's really smart and interesting. But they just didn't even bother. Like... It doesn't bother to even make you feel like it's trying to outwit you in any way, which is a real problem with it. But so... Across town, Cate Blanchett.

Yeah. She's gotta put the crew together. First on the list, Kate Blanchett, Lydia Tar. Yeah, Lydia Tar. I will say her fits in this movie are incredible. The red leather trousers, love it. It's absolutely 50-50 for me. They're either incredible fits or just, like, horrific misses, as far as I'm concerned. STACEY This is the Brad Pitt-ness. This is the Brad Pitt character. And, like, good casting.

I like Kate Blanchett in this. She owns a nightclub and she's watering down the drinks. ALICE Yeah. ALICE See, I find this just quite a, like, a kind of sourceless role, right? And there's a thing that really bothers me about that. Because Kate Blanchett, you know as with Sandra Bullock right tremendously talented actor I've seen Tar. I know that Kate Blanchett can play a lesbian convincingly, right?

Not not just her like what was the other one? The hours but like yeah, she's done a bunch of roles where she has convincingly played a lesbian, right? In this movie, she is unconvincingly playing a lesbian, and therefore the problem cannot be with Cate Blanchett, but with pointing at a guy from Pleasantville, Gary Ross, or whatever. Because this is just kind of... she's just there, and they make all of these gestures towards her doing dyke shit, like she's having the drinks watered down in her bar reading, like, Motorcycle Magazine or whatever. And it's just like, this is not a woman who has ever, you know, ever done anything lesbian,

this is a woman who barely knows what pussy is. This is, it's just kind of strange. It's giving like, married to a man for 20 years and has just come out kind of lesbian. Wow, now some of us have, um, yeah. That's fine, that's a kind of lesbian, that's valid, but I just, I almost feel like it's because she seems too wealthy to be queer? Is that what it is? I'm thinking aloud. Possibly, I don't know. You're right though, I'm just not, I'm just not feeling it. I just don't believe that she's gay. Just kind of airbrushed off all of the kind of queerness from it, and so it's just kind

of like vaguely edgy cultural performance. It's hard to not get the feeling that a movie made 30 years ago would have a more solid performance. You're like, that's a lesbian. It would have a more openly lesbian character than this. And this feels like we've gone back a little. I contrast this to the Charlie's Angels reboot where Kristen Stewart's character was explicitly lesbian.

She was like checking women out during the movie. And it was like very clear what they were doing. This, there's one throwaway line later on, which could be a joke or could suggest that like the gay subtext between her and Sandra Bullock is text. But I mean, it just seems a bit like my culture is not a costume, you know? Even if the costume is fire. ALICE Yeah, and I mean, I genuinely did, that's, I also had this thought of, like, I miss Charlie's Angels, the reboot, because of the attempt to sort of, I haven't seen Ghostbusters, the other sort of big one that people think

of in this- MARK I'm sure we'll have to at some point. ALICE But, like, I one that people think of, and this... LWX I'm sure we'll have to at some point. ALICE But like, I have seen Charlie's Angels, and that was a better movie, it was more enjoyable than this. But so, she gets Lydia Tarr and the gang, and... again, it doesn't have, they don't have the chemistry that Clooney and Pitt did, mostly because the first three Ocean's movies were an excuse for Brad Pitt and George Clooney,

actual real life friends, to hang out and talk absolute shit with a camera in the room. And then they tacked on some heist stuff. And then this, like, I, you know, obviously I don't know how well Sandra Bullock and Cate Blanchett get on, but it doesn't have that kind of intimacy. Right? Even explicitly making them exes. Like unintentionally, Ocean's 13 basically suggests that Pitt and Clooney are fucking just when they're bored in their downtime.

And this movie doesn't do anything like that. It doesn't have anything like them watching Oprah even. It just kind of, it watching Oprah even. They don't even hang out really. Because it's all very professional, right? Because this was the era of like, you know, girls, we got shit done. I have the giant Rosie the Riveter poster. And so the plot of the heist is just, they say the thing they're gonna do, without using a sort of like, you know, fancy crime term for it, they go and do it, and then they do the next thing.

It's, it plods, you know? Yeah. Speaking of plotting, uh, George Clooney's fucking dead. Yeah, no, he's dead. He's dead as hell. We go to his grave. He's in the ground. Yeah.

Well, he's not in the ground, he's in the wall. He's in the wall. Yes. She goes to his grave. Interestingly, they've made him two years younger here. Not sure why they bothered doing that. But whatever. Yeah, crazy. Remember, die as you lived kind of counts you with it.

Also, he died that year, which she seems pretty OP's with it, maybe it was just easier to cope with these things in jail, I don't know. And she doesn't believe, necessarily, that he's really dead. This sets you up for the kind of, like, oh, we're gonna get her, you know? LOREN Yeah, maybe he's there, maybe he's gonna show up in the movie later. Cause she's, like, standing at his grave and is like, you better fucking be in there, pal. Which I do like.

ALICE Maybe George Clooney has gone in the level of effort required from a filmed scene sitting down on his own patio, to like, audio cameo recorded from home on Blue Yeti, that we then dub into the movie. Not even in the movie, yeah. But Ruben is here. No, he doesn't even do that. Ruben is here. Yeah, Ruben is here.

We got Ruben Tishkoff. To give them kind of like, the imprimatur of the origin, of the boy oceans. To be like, uh, you know, me and the guys kind of support what you're doing and definitely always knew you existed, even though your brother never talked about you until he was killed. Sorry we never gave you a gig. Yeah. always knew you existed, even though your brother never talked about you until he was killed. LWX Sorry we never gave you a gig. SXVXN Yeah.

LWX Ever. SXVXN Didn't include you in any of our schemes. LWX Also sorry that your brother made hundreds of millions of dollars in crimes but apparently didn't leave you anything? ALICE And left you in jail? LWX What? Left you in jail? Like, left you no money in his will?

SXVXN What? This guy was a real shit to you. Yeah. That's true. I mean, I'm trying to think about how Danny Ocean died, right, because he does get explicitly threatened by Andy Garcia in the end of the third movie. And then, you know, so maybe he just gets killed by Andy Garcia, but maybe he also just went... because he does the smug monologue

to Al Pacino, where he's like, you know, I know all the guys who would have me killed. Next movie is actually dead. He's dead. He's dead. You know what, I'm very happy to assume that Al Pacino just had him killed. Yeah, that's quite funny. Just like, I established at the start of this movie, I don't give a shit that I shook the hand of Frank Sinatra or whatever. Like, brother, you're going in the ground. You're going in the wall.

Al Pacino killed him, yeah. Horrible. Course of death, Al Pacino. But anyway, Ruben is like, the plan that you have, which is sick as hell by the way, it's sick nasty, good crime. We know this movie's gonna be great, but we're telling you you shouldn't try and do it because your brother wouldn't have wanted you to turn to a life of crime even though he already did and even though he could have left you more money than God and his will and didn't. Anyway, so she meets up with Cate Blanchett and Cate Blanchett's like, what's the job?

And she's like, Jules, we're gonna steal some fucking Jules. Jules. Big fuck off Elizabeth Taylor style Jules. So Abby, Elizabeth Taylor was an actress who was like famous for getting married and divorced so much times. Nice. I'm genuinely quite glad you told me that, thank you. Yeah yeah yeah. Happy to. Very expansive style, lots of jewels as we say. First we have to introduce the villain of our film, Richard Armitage.

It's true. That's true. SEAN It's Thor and Oakenshield. ALICE What we do is something that I think was better done in Spice World, of all things, which is introduce a guy as a kind of lying tryhard. He owns an art gallery, and we see him trying to sed seduce a woman by being like, oh I've got tons of galleries, plural, and she's like, oh, where? And he kind of lies about having these galleries in like, you know, Los Angeles and Milan or whatever, and she's like, okay,

but not really though. And then Sandra Bullock enters the scene, goes, hey I just got out of prison. I found out that they have shivs in there, and I brought this sharpened toothbrush to show you, by pressing it directly into your sternum. Yeah. She threatens him with a shiv and calls him a pretty girl, and I'm like... Oh I have the drop. I have the drop. You know, inside. You're what we call a pretty girl. Which I'm just gonna... that's quite affirming if you take it out of context, you know? Like, so Sandra Bullock addresses your gender dysphoria, um, in the ASMR.

Yeah, saying inside, you're a pretty girl. So Sandra Bullock, I'm a brick horn, I'm a gigachad. Hey, inside? Humiliated boy motor gets her brainworn sparked out by Sandra Bullock with a ship. HUMILIATED BOYMOTOR GETS HER BRAINWORK SPARCH OUT BY SUNDRA BULLOCK WITH A SHIT. Come on. Sundra Bullock's doing a kind of international ambassador gig like you do for UNICEF, but it's for the International Boymota Foundation. She's going to the boymota sort of areas and putting her hands around you and taking photos

with you. She's wearing one of those linen shirts. I mean, genuinely though, the pretty girl line, aside from being funny out of context, in context it's like, pretty repulsive, right? Like this is a prison rape joke is what we're doing here. And it's like, you were in women's prison, what was Richard Armitage doing in women's prison, you know?

Like, it just... Why did he have those blue and white striped underwear anyway? That's a phenomenal point, Nova. Like the degree to which prison rape jokes have been subsumed into the sort of consensus for what you... Like, you talk about prison, within ten seconds someone is gonna be making a don't drop the soap type of joke. Like, no matter what property.

It's a completely normalised... It's fascinating, yeah. And, like, the difference in dynamics there in relation to women's prison is, like, interesting, but even when you make a movie that's about women and about a woman who's just gotten out of prison, you still do the kind of, like, male prison rape joke. And I think it's also one of those things that's, like, intended to be affirming and girl power in 2019. Yeah, it is.

Women can make prison rape jokes too! Yay! Yeah, I mean, functionally, like, if you kind of reframe it as this woman has gotten out of prison, gone to see the guy who got her into prison, and then threatened to rape him, that's like... Yeah. Significantly more obviously sick. She's right, that's a sh significantly more obviously sick. She's done this at Shivpoint as well.

Yeah! Logistically. Girls can do anything, including threats of sexual violence, it seems. Anyway, she then explains to Cape Landship the target is the Metropolitan Art Museum. She's literally done the thing that James Bond did, which is go to the guy that you were going to screw over, also the thing Danny Ocean has done, and which got him put in that wall of... SEAN OSES Does. ALICE Go to the guy who you were gonna fuck over and go, ooh, I'm so mad at you. SEAN I HAVE A MOTIVE!

ALICE And then disappear. SEAN I'm gonna fuck you over for six months. ALICE And then that guy gets fucked over, immediately remembers that conversation and puts you in the wall. Like, it's not the best decision making. Yeah, it's like, you don't have to do this. Yeah. Don't let him see you coming.

The best revenge is served first as an amuse-bouche, and then as a sort of main course that recollects some of the flavors in that. Anyway, Target is, Metropolitan Art Museum, the Met Gala is gonna happen, they're having an exhibit of the royal families of Europe's, like, royal jewels, right? The crown jewels of all of Europe are gonna be on display in the Met. Okay, cool, whatever. She has this meeting with Cate Blanchett, where she's talking with her mouth full, and Cate Blanchett can't understand her?

I have to drop, yeah. So like, they're in this cafe and, as you say... But we're not robbing a machine, if I were robbing a... Sorry, I don't speak Ukrainian. So in the big Charlie's Angels selection wheel of racism, right, Ukrainians are in for this. This movie came out in 2018. That's the funniest possible timeline for this. Like, Cate Blanchett's character is currently fighting in the Donbass for Russia. Oh no, because later on they have a joke at the expense of Russians, they're like, we

need a hacker but no Russians. Which is such a fucking Trump, 2018 ass Trump joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, the Russians are hacking our democracy, you idiots. You fucking idiots. They are, but also they don't need to. Yeah. I'm just really struck by, like, I dunno.

Okay, so not Russian, but like, Chechen Kate Blanchett there, you know? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Kate Blanchett's outfit in this scene, the green velvet blazer and the gold necklace, it's kinda... Yeah, 100%. Kinda cunty, I kinda like it. And so she's like, do you wanna do this crimes with me?

And she's like, is this a proposal? And then like feeds her, it's gay, it's gay! I liked it. At this point I was still on board. Yeah, look, I'm on board at this stage. You show me Cate Blanchett and Sandra and we're like flirting and I'm gonna be having a good time. Yeah, I'm still on board.

I genuinely, I genuinely wrote down being queerbated by this movie is beneath me. Oh, I didn't think they were gonna kiss at any point. I genuinely wrote down being queerbated by this movie is beneath me. Um. Oh, I didn't think they were gonna kiss at any point. It was later on, but I still had... I go into every movie with so much hope in my heart, just that maybe this is the one that would, like, be good. And then it never is. They beat you down every movie.

You see, I have a hater's soul, right, and I nourish that very carefully. I kind of try to keep that hate burning quite purely. And so, my contempt for this movie is endless. However, the other thing about this conversation is we see Debbie's kind of deal, interpersonally, is she's down for like, two things, right, which is arrogance at interrupting people constantly. So, she's just like me, right, which is arrogance at interrupting people constantly. So she's just like me, right.

But that doesn't make me relate to her in any way, it's just kind of like seeing yourself reflected, it's like, man, I'm fucking annoying. She like... She's not going. So like, gets Cate Blanchett and her weird anti-Ukrainian stance on board for robbing these jewels. Yeah. Bizarre. You and me doing a Cate Blanchett and then fucking Sandra Bullock thing where you're constantly interrupting people and then I'm wearing ridiculous outfits.

There's some ambiguous gay tension of like, did we date in the past? Are we dating now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I was at the fucking live shows. I don't remember. The shot of English live show. My next, my next one just says Anne Hathaway. Yes. Because every Met Gala apparently has a sort of big celebrity host. This year,

the celebrity host is Daphne somebody or other. It's Anne Hathaway. She's a famous actress. Daphne Kluger. Yeah. Her performance in this is so fucking good. Cause she just, instead of playing a nice version of herself, she just plays this horrible fucking monster. I love her character in this. Yeah, she is a bright spot in this movie. I do enjoy her playing an absolute cunt. Yeah, she plays this vapid, vicious fucking bitch of an actress, which I really love. Yeah, no, it's really, really, really good. Like all of her shots of her making fun of people and like berating herself.

Yelling at her assistants and shit. Yeah, it's really, really funny to see. And they need to, I'm not sure quite why they needed her to be involved in this, but they needed a designer. Oh yeah, we find out later. They also need, in order to get close to her, they need a designer, because of course she's gonna have to wear a fabulous outfit, okay. So we found this designer who owes five million in back taxes to the IRS, and we can get close to her and basically exploit her. LAROIT Yeah, we found, like, a sort of loser designer. ALICE Yeah.

The thing that kind of gets in the way of this, right, is it's not quite the brands, it's the related thing of the celebs, right, this movie's not quite the brands, it's the related thing of the celebs, right, this movie, like, the first three Oceans movies also loved celebrities, but they loved them because they were Brad Pitt and George Clooney's actual friends, who they hang out with. Whereas this movie, I think, loves celebrities in the way that is more, like, kind of worshipping, and my note just says this movie really eats Anna Winter's pussy specifically. Yes. She does, yeah.

She is. She gets a little cameo. Lots of advertising for Vogue throughout, and it really leans into, like, Anna Winter likes this designer even though she's, like, out of fashion. And you know, everything about the party. There's a whole infiltrating Vogue subplot as well. It just kind of... it feels really indulgent. But so, specifically the designer who Anna Wintour likes and who they try to recruit,

is Helena Bonham Carter. ALICE Yes, unfortunately. JUSTIN She's doing the same fucking thing she does in every movie. ALICE Yes. She's doing the same fucking thing she does in every movie. Yes. I'm sure she's like, cancelled for something, and if I cared at all I would bother to find out what, but I don't. I don't even know if she's cancelled.

I just hate to see her. No, no, I just straight up hate her. This is just a person I hate to see. She's friends with Boris Johnson, right? She's just boring. I mean, all of these people are- Bonham Carter's a, like, a legendarily aristocratic British family. I'm pretty sure she's mates with Boris Johnson and David Cameron and the shit.

Isn't there that famous photo of, like, them all hanging out together? I mean, listen, I appreciate all of her work that she's done with the Boymota Foundation, but like, I think people just do these things like, offset. You know? Yeah, and obviously there's something in her contract that she has to dress like that, you know what I mean? And she is, the whole fucking movie... There's a scene, right, where, I think it's her and Cate Blanchett, where they both have too much shit on them.

They're both wearing too much. That really strikes me. Because the way they've decided to signify that Cate Blanchard is a lesbian for like the middle third of this movie is she's wearing a bunch of shit on her hands. Oh god yeah. Like eight rings, four bracelets, and a watch all simultaneously with a bunch of bangles and stuff. But doesn't have a lesbian manicure. Yeah, I remember that tweet you made in about 20-22. Yeah, being non-binary. Yeah, the tweet you made in 2022 that made me change how I dress because I got owned

too hard. We were like, being non-binary is where you put a bunch of shit on your neck and arms, and the more you put on the more non-binary you are. And I looked down at my like, five rings and three bangles and was like, I gotta do something about my life. ALICE LAUGHS. ALICE I'm sorry, okay? The haters' heart sometimes comes with like, you know, downsides.

SEAN No, no, it's funny. ALICE But... so... SONIA So they explain to Helen Bonacarta the plan, which is quite clever, they're like, so there's this legendary Cartier necklace, which was made of all these massive diamonds. ALICE The Toussaint. SONIA Hasn't been out of the vault in, you know, decades and decades. If you were to dress Daphne Kluger for the Met Gala and specifically request that she-

Like an insist on this. Insist on her wearing this necklace, wouldn't that be an interesting thing to do? And I like that they don't yet tell Helen of Bonham Carter that like, we're going to steal this necklace, but they kind of imply it, they're like, look, you'd be able to make your career back doing this, we might be able to make some money off this, but you need to insist that she wears this particular necklace. ALICE raising raising hand to say, how does Helena Bonham Carter talk in this movie? IRISH accent, I believe. She's doing an accent the whole time, yes.

She is. Because this is an accent work heavy franchise. It is. It really is. I mean, it does occasionally try to suggest that Lou, Cate Blanchett's character, is like, vaguely British or British-ified. She's Australian. Australian. Is she actually... That's why she has that accent. Christ. Okay. Is Cate Blanchett Australian? Is that what that was meant to be? Yeah, they do say at one point she is explicitly Australian, although the final shot at the

end of her riding the motorbike is shot in New Zealand, because I've driven on that road. But that must presumably be Cate Blanchett's actual voice. I've never had you named off a road before, that's quite impressive. It's the west coast of New Zealand, it's like a famous... Surprisingly down to earth and very curvy. It's a beautiful place. I'm pretty sure that is the wild west coast of New Zealand. No, it looks like Cate Blanchett is Australian, yes.

It's a beautiful road, I love its work, you know. But so... We had dinner one time, we got on great. They get Helen of Bonham Castor on board with a plan. And then we need to get everyone else as well, so we need... We need to assemble the team and we've been dancing around this for a bit. Yeah. Yeah, we got a hacker, can you think of one?

Rihanna. That's who? Fresh off of Battleship, it's fucking Rihanna. Yep, in this movie. We need a diamond expert, which is gonna be Mindy Killing. ALICE Yeah, Mindy Killing, who, there's a really funny bit, inadvertently, in her introduction, where she's arguing with her parents in the jewelry store, and she sees, like, Debbie Ocean across the street, and she looks up through, like, specifically through her, like, jeweler's loop, her magnifying glass, to see

her across the street, which is not how those were. ALICE Yeah, I don't think that would happen, yeah. ALICE CinemaSins ding, please. SONIA They need to somehow, invegal, Helena Bonham Carter into being the designer for Anne Hathaway. And in order to do this, they have Helena Bonham Carter photographed with a pop star of whom Anne Hathaway is jealous.

And I get this fucking psychic shock because they set up this meeting between Helena Bonham Carter and the pop star in the restaurant. And when the pop star sits down in the frame, genuinely it looks exactly like my university ex. To the point where I was like, oh my god, like what the fuck? How did you get in this? Oh my god. Oh, what the fuck? Haven't seen you in years. Turns out it's Dakota Fanning. But she genuinely looks exactly like my ex.

I don't think any of my uni exes look exactly like Dakota Fanning. Shout out to my art historian ex. Hello, how you doing? Loved your work in this movie. It's nice to see Dakota Fanning in this as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, Debbie Ocean and Lou Capeland should like, kind of briefing her ahead of time, and this is where Helen Le Bonham cast's character gets to like, oh, crimes moment, essentially. And they basically sort of transplant her into the Matt Damon role, right? The like, fun-shoddily.

Where she's like, kind of, the one who has to be caught up on things, so that, you know, there's a stand-in for the audience. And so because she's been photographed with your ex-girlfriend, Anne Hathaway is like, fucking hell, okay, well I need to... I didn't think she was like, famous anymore, or fashionable. I didn't think she was all that, yeah. But instead... But, I've gotta rub that bitch Dakota Fanning's nose in it, so I'm gonna like, poach her designer

from her. And so they have this lunch meeting. My favorite detail, it's just like Cruella drag queen shit, in fact I think this is a detail that is also in Cruella, It's where Anne Hathaway sits down. She has like this fur coat and she just like, she doesn't put it on the back of her chair. She just shrugs it off over the chair onto the floor and assumes someone else is going to come and take care of it. Um, I just really like that.

Queen shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I love it when women are evil. Big, big fan of that. That is true. Yeah. No. We're gonna need a couple more people, we're gonna need Aquafina, who does the sleight

of hand stuff, she's a pickpocket. ALICE Yeah. ALICE Aquafina gets introduced with, I shit you not, like, a five minute long commercial for Subway. Because she takes them to Subway, and then makes them, like, sort of wait while she gets her order, which is the whole Subway process. SONIA I didn't know Subway was a luxury brand. ALICE Well, I mean... SEAN Well, apparently it can go toe to toe with Cartier.

I guess they're just desperate for someone else to represent them. SONIA Oh my god, yeah. SEAN Well, we need a new person, maybe it'll be Aquafina, who cares. You know at some point the people from Subway just sat down with Aquafina and were like, now look, Aquafina, you've gotta tell us if you're a paedophile. You've gotta tell us, please. We can't afford this shit again, you've gotta tell us. You've gotta. Please. They're like, with everyone they fucking work with, they're just like, please, god, you have to...

They're CRB-checked to work at Ocean's... The other thing about this that's funny is, when they hire Rihanna, right, she's, uh, her character's name is Nineball, right, which is not her real name, as Sandra Bullock observes, and it's sort of this moment that's beyond self-parody, where they go into a huddle about this, and it's like, white women making a heist movie, and it turns into an HR department with a serious racism issue within an hour. Yeah, immediately. It's like, do we have to... can we force her to tell us her name? It's genuinely, like, problematic.

She's smoking weed and Sandra Bullock's like, she's smoking! She's fucking smoking weed right now! Yeah, it's like, who cares, man. Literally fucking cares. Who the fuck else is in this film? We've got one more, we gotta go to Sarah Paulson. Yes, there's Sarah Paulson too, excellent. That's the one I like to see.

Not a stranger to Sarah Paulson's talent getting wasted, I've seen every season of American Horror Story, but this... Well indeed. This is like, I mean, she and Anne Hathaway are the two, like, sort of saving graces of this movie, right, and she's working harder than really she needs to. Her thing is that she's a mum. She's got little kids who are very demanding. Which I guess is pretty smart considering your target audience is to have... Yeah. She's like a fence. She sells stolen goods, gets away for being a suburban mum,

things like that. It's beyond suspicion. Yeah. And her kids don't know, so her kids are constantly calling her and she's having to be like, no, sweetie, like, I think your turtle's in the, in the garage or whatever. Like when she's like in the middle of doing crimes, that's her, that's her thing. Yeah. And you get the feeling that at some point someone sat down, like a group of like 80 to 90% men sat down and were like, what are the kinds of women?

Like, how do we make sure that we've got each of the kinds of women? What are the taste clusters? You know? Yeah. What's the target? Like what's the girl version of robbing a casino? Robbing the Met Gala? Absolutely. We've got standard, we've got possibly queer, we've got women of colour, we've got like black women and Asian, and then mum, and then a couple of spares, I think. Helena Bonham Carter.

ALICE Yeah, women from New York, uh, women of colour. And... ALICE Yeah. ALICE Helena Bonham Carter. SONIA Anne Hathaway. ALICE We're ticking all the boxes here, somehow. ALICE Absolutely. SONIA I guess Anne Hathaway's like, cow?

Like, asshole woman? ALICE Yeah, just bitch. SONIA Villain? ALICE Just like, rude. ALICE But by the way, when they go and get Sarah Paulson, the reason why they go and get her and not another fence is because, specifically, Sandra Bullock wants an all-female heist crew, but she expresses this in the form of pronouns, right? Because Cate Blanchett's like, what about this guy, what about him?

And she says, no, I don't want a him, because, as she says, a him gets noticed, a her gets ignored, and we want to be ignored for once. And it's like... LORENZO Just remember that, remember that! Remember that that is the plan. ALICE Remember that, write that down. Write that down.

LORENZO They want to fly incognito at the Met Gala. Just remember that. ALICE Yeah, I mean, I will say, like, you can talk about, like, sort of, how women are, like, you know, invisibilized, right? But, not Cate Blanchett, though. I don't think. ALICE ANDREWS Did you know that men take an additional seven seconds to perceive a woman

as a threat compared to a man? It's the same Sully's Angels rationale, yeah. ALICE Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so, they get them all together, it is the least found family a found family has ever been. Yeah. You know how I was talking about in Ocean's Twelve where I was like, oh I'm just really having a great time watching them all interact, you know, this is really fun, tight dialogue.

None of that. Not at all. Yeah. It's loose dialogue. Flappy dialogue. I have two details that really break this scene for me, when they're in the heist sort of set up thing. One, they have the scale model that they had in like Ocean's 12.

Yeah, they have the little warhammer model! But... Ah, they must have hired, uh, Basher. They must have hired Basher, because Basher was building that shit, he had the like flags on cocktail sticks, he was like really into it. He was loving it, yeah. And they can't do that joke twice, so instead it's just a kind of sourceless, like, landlord white coloured scale model, with nothing

to it. The second thing that bugs me about this scene is, Sarah Paulson needs a piece of, like, specialized equipment to make the thing. And a guy, Charlie, her accomplice, like wheels this in on a pallet jack, and she's like, thanks Charlie, Charlie exits the movie. Right? Charlie is now fucking part of a criminal conspiracy, and presumably in for a cut of god knows how many dollars. Why the fuck... Kate Blanchett can't work a pallet jack, you know? LILJAH Yeah. What's going on here? ALICE You're literally doing, like, oh, you know, women, we can do anything, uh, you know, anything that, you know, men can do, we can do backwards

and in heels, uh, two of us even cannot collaborate to move an item on, uh, like a, a jack, you know? We have to get a guy for that. And it's just, it just feels like, the second you have to move some heavy shit, that's the thing that makes you give up. It's just insulting. Yeah. They're missing a bru- they don't have like a big strong bruiser tough girl character. I'm so often saying that there aren't enough like, big strong women in movies.

Yeah. I saw Love Lies Bleeding quite recently. I gotta say, go ahead and put that in every movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Give me like, the sort of characters from Love Lies Bleeding in every movie. That movie's so fucking hot. Including this one. Gonna. Yeah. Yeah. Give me, like, the sort of characters from Love, Lies, Bleeding in every movie. That movie's so fucking hot.

I'm including this one. I'm gonna force us to talk about that at some point too, I imagine. Some of the best sex scenes, I think, and also, like, they really add to the characters. Anyway, that's a separate movie review. So the thing that she's had brought in on this pilot jack is a 3D printer that prints things in crystal, zirconium? Yeah, in like, cubic zirconium printer. Yeah, cheap crystal.

It's a dual photocopier, functionally, right? We also, at this point, because in, like, the Boy Oceans movies, you would be sort of like, this would be the time for what feels like an interminable amount of these guys hanging out with each other and doing bits, right? It really feels like the time for jokes has arrived, and like, you know, this is your designated bits sequence, and the bit is Aquafina doing a thing about Metro cards that isn't funny, or memorable. And then like, teaching Mindy Killing Tinder? Yeah, there's a scene that's just the two of them on just just aquafina and Mindy Kelly on Tinder, and there's no like, it doesn't come back at all at any point, like they swipe left and match with a guy and I expected that guy to like, factor into the plot in some

fucking way. He does appear in a post, like in the final montage, but that's it. Great. Yippee. I was like, 40 would be part of the heist. I don't know. This is I was still doing the thing where I was paying attention to the fucking heist and being like, maybe I can figure this out before the movie, you know?

Like, have fun with it. But we need to establish that they're not gay. No. No, god, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. Only one of them is maybe. But anyway. So the plan is, we're gonna go to Cartier, and Helena Monomcada's gonna wear the special

Metta Zuckerberg glasses to scan the necklace, we're gonna print a replica of it that's gonna help us out, so, smart. ALICE Yeah, you know who else really gets its pussy eaten by this movie is Cartier. GARETH Cartier gets, yeah, taken out to dinner. ALICE I would eat Cartier's pussy. I don't know what that really would be, but I... ALICE It's like, pussy de Cartier, and it, you know,

costs some seed and all. GARETH Pussy by Cartier. ALICE If you get your Vajazel from Cartier, I might eat that pussy. GARETH I can't afford to eat that pussy if you got a vajazzle from Cartier. I can't even look at that shit. ALICE They have quite a complicated insurance policy on those jewels, which means that, y'know, you're not allowed to eat that pussy without

the presence of, like, two security guys. Because, what we get is, like, thrilling insurance policy drama, where Helena Bonham Carter goes to Cartier, this is a brief, confected obstacle thing, she photographs the necklace so they can duplicate it later, and then they're like, we can't let you take that because... and I mean, this is kind of funny in itself, Cartier, the like, you know, jewelry brand Cartier, is like, oh, we don't got insurance. Yeah, we can't let you have that. What if somebody heists this, you know, we can't kind of... because this is worth like

150 million dollars. We don't have any insurance that's good for 150 million dollars. Hell and a bottom Carter goes, ah, go on then, and they're like, fine. That's literally it. Yes, she has a speech. This is an interesting moment where they're like, we can give you any other bit of jewelry but not this is the special thing. And she says, there's a whole generation out there who can't pronounce your name, you need

to go viral with this, Netflix. It's not true, it's pretty straightforward. Yeah, who's mispronouncing Cartier? Cartier? Cartier. No one's saying Cartier. Who's pronouncing who's mispronouncing Cartier? ALICE Cartier? Like, who's... NICOLA Cartier. No one's saying Cartier.

NICOLA Do Americans say Cartier? ALICE Cartier? Cartier? That's still fine, whatever, they're buying the pussy jewels. NICOLA Cartier? Is that like Carty B? You know? ALICE Cartier, Carty B, Carty C, you know, it just goes all the way through.

NICOLA They don't know what the difference is, so you need to give us the necklace so we can have it at the neck of them. And Helena Bonhamcarta's like, I'll just make it go viral. She does this in French as well, just to emphasize that, one, Helena Bonhamcarta can speak French, I mean, better than me, but still not that well. And then this also, like, knocks the French, you know, posh French guy out of his seat, it's like, whoa!

She did fucking, like, A-level French! Yeah, ho! Holy shit! In French? Wow! You speak to me in my own language, which is kind of one of the most closely related to yours in the world? Fuck me, okay.

Yeah. There's a bit where Anne Hathaway has a dysphoria attack. On necklace, say, Bonn, and he's like, whoa! Yeah, yeah, she does. So Helena Bonham Carter puts a dummy version of it so she can try her on as she's designing the outfit. And Anne Hathaway has this kind of dysphoria attack where she's like, I just feel really big. And Helena Bonham Carter reassures her that she'll be pretty. I believe that this is what rich women are like. You know what?

True. I haven't interacted with anyone of the sort of like, rich women are like... you know what, I haven't interacted with anyone of the sort of like, oeuvre that they're trying to imply that Anne Hathaway is in this movie, but I totally believe this. ALICE I will say one thing about this characterization, right, and they do something with it later which kind of alters it a bit, but like, in some ways Anne Hathaway's character at this point in the movie is the repository for all the feminine characteristics that the movie agrees are bad.

LESLIE Yes. Yes. ALICE She's kind of bitchy and she's kind of flighty and unreliable and trivial and sort of like... LESLIE Toxic femininity, and also sexual. She's overtly sexual too. Which is an interesting person to kind of put that aspect on. ALICE Yeah, and at this point in the movie you're

like... she's just kind of like a kind of safe, like, pharmacos for all that stuff, right? We sort of like, contain all the negative traits that we attribute to femininity within the person of Anne Hathaway. So they go to the art museum, they scout the art museum. And I will say this, right, after all the shots of, you know, lackluster shots of the Met, I'm like, there's quite a lot to say feministically about an art museum, right? You could do a lot here.

And they do something, which is more than I expected them to. I expected them to be like, oh, pretty pictures, right? What they instead hit us with is... BANKSIE. Because... This is good. Yeah. Just the apropos of nothing, right?

BANKSIE. Installs a... BANKSIE. On, like, one of the Met Gala walls. Well, it's not a real Banksy, I think it's that Debbie does it and then everyone thinks it's Banksy. Yeah, now this is actually great to me, because it's very obviously not a Banksy, like, not even at all the kind of thing that Banksy would do, and for them to get, like, for an

art museum to get some random graffiti on it and be like, holy shit, this could be a Banksy! Actually does hit pretty close to reality, like, that was kind of a. ALICE Banksy has drawn a cock and balls on the toilet, you know. JUSTIN We think this could be a Banksy! And it's like, obviously not. ALICE Debbie hangs an altified version of the famous painting Washington Crossing the Delaware.

And she's... It's yassified? She's yassified, everyone in it? And also George Washington looks like her, and I'm like, why would you hang your fucking picture in the place that you're about to steal from, why would you do this? ALICE Are you taking portraits on a fucking criminal conspiracy? GARETH That's just something that you can do if

you're planning a heist to get one of those bonus objectives, you know? ALICE It does tie in in quite a clever way, because initially I was like, oh, this is just stupid. But then we see that the security firm in charge of the Met are given a bollocking for this and told to update their systems. And they're like, well, since they're updating their systems, we can hack in and change a bunch of stuff. And it'll be chaotic behind the scenes because they're trying to make all these changes before the gala.

And we can make our own changes and they'll go relatively unnoticed. And I'm like, oh, that's actually quite clever. That's what they use Rihanna for, is that she's like moving the cameras to create a blind spot in front of one of the bathrooms, or something like that. But by the way, we find out about the insurance policy, it's a thrilling insurance policy drama, about the insurance policy that Cartier has gotten, where they're like, okay, right, there's conditions attached to this, namely that these two scary dudes have to be with Anne Hathaway at all times. And the way they established the Scary Dude Scary credentials is, one of them's Russian,

and the other one was in the IDF and Mossad, which is part of a... I think it's crazy how in 2018, 2018, you were absolutely okay to be like, this guy's in the Mossad as a short byline for this guy is fucking crazy. And like, we don't examine that at all. It's not even crazy. It's like, weirdly one of the Hitman games does this as well, where it's like... It's not crazy, but more brutal than we are. Yeah. What you intend to convey is like,

dangerous but in a sort of slightly but not hugely evil way. crazy but more brutal than we are, you know? ALICE Yeah, what you intend to convey is dangerous but in a sort of slightly but not hugely evil way. And it's like... DARREN The most moral security guard in the world. ALICE Oh, I take it back. The other guy isn't Russian, the other guy is like, he was one of the... DARREN He's Ukrainian as well. ALICE No!

Ah, I mean, technically they're all Ukrainian. No, but he was the Pope's director of security. And then we get one of the lines that I like, which is Sarah Paulson quite primly housewifely going, and as you know, they've never lost a Pope. Which I really like. You probably thought it was only a cardinal. Nope! It wasn't a Pope! They haven't lost a pope.

Not yet. It's true. 2025. Who knows. God, I hope not. I fucking hope they don't. Um, yeah, no, it's just crazy that you would be like, this guy's in the CIA if you wanted to imply competence, but if you want to imply a scarier level of competence, you go, this

guy is Mossad. You know? And that's just an interesting thing to me. ALICE The TV drama NCIS made, like, a decade's worth of TV off of the prompt of, like, an Israeli, like, Mossad woman, she's gotta be, like, super badass and scary, though, right? RILEY Yeah, right. ALICE And it's like, this was your brand internationally of, like, we're terrifying psychos?

Yeah. Yeah. Cool. I can't make any more jokes about this subject. No, no, we have to keep going. They gotta infiltrate the security company. Luckily, the security company employs Dogpervert. Yes.

Hell yeah. Yeah. Dogpervert is a man who is, like, he works in the, sort of like, having a bunch of easily compromised information behind my webcam office, and is very into this one specific brand of dog, the fucking Wil Wheaton Terrier, or whatever the fuck it's called. And my note just says, dog pervert easily spearfished. And I mean, you can take this tip home, right? What she does is she like, looks up the org chart, which she finds, finds the guy, looks

him up on Facebook, finds out that he's into the fucking Wil Wheaton Terriers, and then sends him a, like, customized spearfishing thing that's like, click this link for like, hours of dog pervert content, and this slavering weirdo clicks the thing immediately and is like in heaven while she manipulates his webcam. Yeah. She emails him 133 times, being like, I got your email address off LinkedIn, give me my fucking healthcare. Um...

I emailed my security company's resident dog pervert 133 times. Sarah Paulson has to interview, uh, has to infiltrate Vogue. This is the point where we get a cameo. Yeah, the big fucking wall thing of this is Vogue magazine. It's like, wow. Yeah. Wow. Remember magazines? Remember how those used to be relevant? Not variety, which is still absolutely relevant and which we love. But, uh, Anna Winter is in this now. I kind of respect like having a cameo and then not really bothering doing it. That's kind of funny. Yeah. It's just one of like a hundred thousand cameos.

Somebody puts their head around Anna Wintour's office and was like, Anna, you've got to interview Sarah Paulson, she's here for the job, and she doesn't even look at the camera. She's like, yeah, whatever. Which I kind of respect that actually. Yeah. The kind of laughing at yourself thing of the cameo being like, I'm basically checked out. Yeah. She's just like, day drunk in her office.

Whatever, sure. But it's also like, leave this old woman alone, you know? Stop it. Do you remember the movie The Devil Wears Prada? Yep. Well so does this movie, so you're gonna get like 20 minutes of it. Because Sarah Paulson gets hired at Vogue, and has to infiltrate Vogue, and they're like walls full of shoes and stuff.

JUSTIN Now they have the seating plan and the guest list, and they notice that all the celebrities are gonna be there, like Leo's gonna be there, Taylor Swift's movie can't stop eating Taylor Swift's pussy. Which in fairness, yeah. I don't have the right insurance to do that, but yeah. Well yeah, it's Cartier, you can't... When Mindy Carling says, oh my god, Taylor Swift Aquafina says you're so white, which is a real 2018 time capsule.

Really, I didn't say that, that's funny. Yeah, yeah, this was how we thought the culture wars were gonna go, I guess. It really was. Meantime, 13 shag in the incipient fascist movement just brewing in the background. And Anne Hathaway... This is the only point where you have to say thank god for Covid. Yeah. Anne Hathaway has a blank space next to her, because she's gonna have a date, but who's

it gonna be? She doesn't have anyone, so hmm, we're gonna have to set someone up to be Anne Hathaway's date. ALICE Mmhm. Who could it be but Richard Armitage, right? JUSTIN Yes. Yeah. You gotta help me out here. ALICE We gotta find out how Richard Armitage, like, why she's threatening to, like, shiv

him. And the answer is that he inveigled her into, like, her life of crime, by getting her to, like, assist him with his gallery fraud, so it's not even like she was this master thief or whatever. LORENZO She didn't even do any crimes before this. It was her first crime. ALICE Yeah. They got court nesting, he, like, you know, snitched on her to the cops. I do appreciate

this movie makes not talking to the cops being the honorable but still stupid option. She's like sitting there like, I want my lawyer, and he is like, in the other room fucking spilling his guts, and like that one tweet. Because he claims that like, because it's her signature on all the documents, he claims that like, oh, she defrauded me too, you know, she told me she was a legit art seller, like I've been conned and she went to prison, he was fine. There's also, this is the line we get where we find out that the romance between her and Kate Blanchard is maybe canon, because Sarah Paulson says, how did you ever fall for Richard

Armitage? Like, he's like, he was good as a Thorin, but he's kind of a bit weird and other things. And she says, Lou and I were going through a rough patch. And I'm like, is that a joke or is that as good as we're going to get here? Will Barron That is as good as you're going to get, pal. No matter what. Neil Milliken Lasering in on this, this is more queer representation than you would get if you made that movie now.

Sarah Paulson Yeah, that's very true. Will Barron Yeah, well again, and this is more queer representation than you would get if you made that movie now. LORRAINE Yeah, that's very true. GARETH Yeah, well again, it's less queer representation than you'd get if you made it in the 80s. Like, we are going backwards here, like, it's getting worse and worse and harder. LORRAINE I do like the scene where Kate Blanchett challenges her on this and is just like, this is revenge against your ex and like... ALICE It's the same again! It's been doing the same plot beats again, where it's like, you're not in this heist for the infinite money, you're in this heist because of personal reasons, and you're gonna try and like, fuck this guy up.

Because you want revenge against a man. Yeah. And she basically goes, hey, trust me, this has been part of the plan from the fucking start, just let me cook. And eventually it goes, hey, trust me, this has been part of the plan from the fucking start, just let me cook. And eventually it's like, fine. ALICE I do like that Cate Blanchett plays this as, like, lesbian jealousy, I think that's a plausible reading of the scene, that she likes Debbie and is upset she's still talking about her ex.

I dunno, I gotta- LES? ALICE She's talked around so easily, though. Like, there's barely even conflict, it's taking the big box that says conflict. Mmhmm. Anne Hathaway tries on the necklace and fucking comes. Yeah, she has an AGP moment. It's really really funny, I really like this actually. Well, us cis women call it, feelings, actually. Yeah.

Or as I call it, also, gynaphyllia. Yeah, because she catches herself in the mirror with this thing on and just like, kind of moans at herself. It's really good. Yeah, implicit. SONIA She's like, you're so pretty. She tries on the diamond- I mean, yeah. Relatable!

Relatable! ALICE The thing, aside from like, its pope guy and its massade guy, also has an unexpected complication, which is, it's secured by, like, a magnetic clasp, and you can only open with a special magnet, you can buy six neodymium magnets for 50p on Amazon with next day delivery, don't do that, but you can do it. ALICE Yeah, the cool thing is, when you're screenwriting, you wanna introduce a problem and then you wanna immediately solve it in the next scene. Yes.

ALICE Yes. Yes. Because. Yes. Because, Hannah Bonham Carter just takes a photo of the magnet and is like, hey, that's so cool, can you show me how it works a bunch of times? She like surreptitiously records the guy explaining it, like over explaining it, because he's having like an autism moment, because he loves it too much. And you know what, fair's fair, I would do this too. It's called programmable magnet, it's very important.

He's like, oh no one's ever asked me to talk about this before and just explains it in like absolute detail. This guy, this guy was like guarding the pope and all he wanted to do was talk about magnets. I get it man, I get it. It's like, no, I've got fucking mass to do shit, I've got the magnets. But so. Yeah, but Rihanna like, hires someone who is... Her sister.

No! She calls her sister who knows what a magnet is, which is even funnier. That's even fucking worse, yeah, you're so right. The one half of this family who knows how a magnet works, I guess it's got like a polarity to it, you know? Yeah. Good lord. Magneto helps them, they just immediately get the keys. A great ghoul solved it. Fantastic.

At this point, I've made a note that says, if it were me, I would swipe the necklace at any time but at the gala. Because when it's in Anne Hathaway's hotel room, there's those two security guards and no one else. You're telling me you couldn't hit them with some kind of gas and just steal it then? Whatever. Yeah. Oh, some kind of gas? Yeah.

This sister character as well turning up my meanness kind of... this is probably her first shot at acting, and I want to say great first go. Yeah. Yeah. I wondered who this was, I was like, am I supposed to... is this some producers kid? Am I supposed to know... No, we don't even have a Wikipedia link here. ...who this person is.

Anyway. Yeah. Good for her. Good acting. Hey! Keep it up! Well done. Yeah. Nice job. So, meanwhile, they're getting ready for the Met Gala.

My favorite part of this, well, two favorite parts of this, one, contractually obligated Helena Bonham Carter outfit, you know what it looks like. She looks like Helena Bonham Carter. Tim Burton strikes the movie. The other thing is Anne Hathaway doing her own hair and makeup for the Met Gala. Crazy, to imagine. Yeah, right? And Anne Hathaway doing her own hair and makeup for the Met Gala. NICCOY LAUGHS NICCOY LAUGHS NICCOY LAUGHS

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But it's time for the cameo zone. The celebs. The celebs! They're at it again. Alright, yeah, I'm gonna read out a list here. Celebrities who make cameo appearances include Anna Winter, Katie Holmes, Maria Sharapova, Serena Williams, Richard Madden, Kim Kardashian, Common, Adriana Lima, Desiigner, Kylie Jenner, Alexander Wang, Liu Wen, Kendall Jenner, Bella Hadid, Gigi Hadid, Lily Eldridge, Olivia Munn,

Jamie King, Zach Posen, Hayley Baldwin, Derek Blazing, I don't know who any of these fucking comes up, Rainie Poirier as well as the last one. Just like, just a list of fucking people. Like this is also something that always happens in the sort of studio, like, let's do this again, but all with women. Because like, I refuse to accept the premise that doing that is a feminist activity. I think that women can tell their own fucking stories. They certainly can't tell Danny Ocean's for the fourth time. Like, and it's just, it's just celebrities all the time, just coming in, walking in, be like, I'm a celebrity. And then they walk out of a screen

and you're like, great, cool. Commons in the movie. Yippee. Femininity is about luxury brands. It's boring. It's so boring! It is. This is what we think that the best that women can achieve is, is like, being proximal to celebrity. Maybe, arguably, some of them are athletes, like Serena Williams is a great athlete, I guess. Yeah, that's true.

She is, she is, yeah, unironically. But the Met Gala as well is like an interesting sort of location for all of this, right? Like... CERTAINLY, yeah. As I was watching this I kept remembering AOC wearing the like, Tax the Rich dress to the Met Gala. I've been thinking about that a lot recently for unrelated reasons, but yeah, holy shit, man.

Yeah, right? This is kind of... it feels like one of those places where you can really put your finger on where capital subsumes critiques into itself. ZACH Yeah, it does so through the medium of the Met Gala, y'know? ALICE Weirdly, yes. And like... ZACH Yeah, totally.

ALICE I dunno, to also lean that hard into the celebs and to be like, there's a shot genuinely where Debbie Ocean is in the foreground, out of focus, because the camera is focusing past her on Kim Kardashian. And... Yeah. Sick. I think that says a lot about this movie's priorities, is to be like, get this bitch out of the way, you know?

Yeah. I said this somewhat facetiously earlier, but like, get this bitch out of the way, you know? S. Yeah. I said this somewhat facetiously earlier, but like, they really did assume that the woman version of robbing big bundles of cash from a casino is getting a necklace from the Met Gala. And it's like, why the fuck can't women rob a casino? You tell me right now! I think they can! I think they should be allowed to.

ALICE The other thing that's interesting, Jason Derulo has fallen down the stairs at Ocean's Eye. The other thing that is interesting to me, right, is half the team are going in through the red carpet, right, which is where we get Sandra Bullock's speech. GARETH Where you're being photographed, and that photograph is instantly being uploaded to the internet with a caption with your name on it. What are you doing?! ALICE Yeah, yeah.

Where people have to know who you are. The fucking Getty Images is like, doxing your ass. NICOLA Yeah! They call it Getty Images, because that's where the Getty Images is from! ALICE Oh, I get- I getty the images! NICOLA Oh, mama mia. The Italians heard that joke and they had to kidnap John Paul Getty the second. So, half of them are going in through the red carpet, which is where Sandra Bullock

gets to speak German to Heidi Klum, and I'm like, okay, the French did nothing for me, this activates me. But the other half are backstage, and there's a real opportunity here to do some kind of Hitman or some kind of seven days out backstage shit, but it loves it too much. And it loves it in a way that's aspirational, it doesn't love it in the way that like, Ocean's Eleven loved a casino. It loves the Met Gala in the sense of like, oh this is just the big show that we like to put on and everybody just comes together and you know, it's a lot of work and everything, and it's like, I needed more than this. You could have put in some

really interesting proletarian depth here. Like, you have characters who like, sort of... fucking Aquafina is explicitly skate... she's skateboarding in from Queens to do this, right? And she's gonna like effortlessly slip into like a gown for this in the back half. It's like half of these people shouldn't know what the fuck this is! And it's just like this is an alien fucking planet sustained by the labor of like nine million tuxedo clad freaks. It's like... Ah. Well exactly.

I mean, there's even a scene early on where we see all of the people that are gonna be working at the Met Gala, like, get their briefing beforehand, and it's so masturbatory. It's so like... More of that! Give me more of that! Oh, the Met Gala's so good! It's so pretty. Like even Ocean's Eleven was like, a casino is a space where a bunch of men tell themselves stories in order to like,

excuse gathering that amount of obscene wealth in one room. And we can take advantage of that and take that money. Whereas this one is the same thing about the Met Gala, but it's like, but they're right. Yeah, but the Met Gala is so impressive and so cool and this, and fucking Commons in the movie. YAY! It kind of backfires too. It's the same as my security guards thing, really quickly. Because it's like, I'm interested in the people who make these things work, right, and I think

if you work the Met Gala, that experience is, you're doing something like, you know, highly complicated and technical that has to be flawless, and someone like Anna Wintour is going to tell you, like, better to have died as a small child than to not get these light fixtures exactly right, or whatever the fuck. And like, the labor involved in that is like, interesting to me, and I think there is a heist angle there that's ready-made for you. LXI- I also think this movie slightly backfires, because as it's eating the Met Gala's pussy, it's also showing us what happens at the Met Gala, which is you walk the carpet, you go

in and you have dinner, and there's, like, an exhibit, and I'm like, is that it? Part of the appeal of the Met Gala to me has always been like, I don't know what they do in there, like, do you get to hang out, is there a bar? Like, do you get to talk to people? The answer is no. You walk the carpet and then you have a nice dinner. And I'm like, is that it? I can just put on a nice dress and have dinner if I want to do that anyway. That's it! They haven't thought of anything else to do with the stolen loot of a thousand generations. They just like have a fucking nice dinner and then they get to see some crown jewels and that's it and they fucking go home and it's just like great. All of you deserve to die.

And I'm just like, you tell me that they don't even put on masks and fuck each other? That's it? Like you just have dinner? At minimum you should be putting on masks and fucking each other. Having dinner every day, conservatively. You know? If you're going gonna trap the rest of us on a burning planet with you, I would like to know that you're at least doing eyes wide shut. RILEY And it's in the service of dinner?

ALICE It doesn't even look like a very good dinner. RILEY I want to go to the Met Gala less now than I did. I mean, that is cope. That is cope. ALICE They can invite me if they want. Yeah. ALICE What if the voiceovers call it America's most exclusive party invitation?

Which is not true. Did Jason Derulo fell down the stairs at it? JUSTIN I don't think that's true. I think that's the Kill James Bond live show. JUSTIN That's right. ALICE Very exclusive considering it hasn't happened in America. JUSTIN Haven't even done one in America yet, no.

ALICE Kate Blanchett goes in as like a... Visas are hard. That's true. As a chef, and I need a Cate Blanchett chef film, I need... because I keep thinking about the menu, but not in a positive way, because I saw that movie and I was disappointed because I wanted it to be done better. Give me a Cate Blanchett, like, prestige chef film, give me chef tar, please, god, now. CANDACE Mm-hmm. The bear with Cape Blanchett. LOREN Oh my god, don't even joke about that. I would...

Incidentally, there's a detail here, since we're talking about food, where Anne Hathaway, she's being served food, which has been... It's got the, like, green Hitman, like, emetic poison. And she whispers to Richard Armitage, you know, like, oh I'm so hungry, I haven't eaten anything in three days, right? Presumably in order to, like, fit into the dress, and because, you know, she's a very, like, anxious person generally, and it's like, this... It goes completely unremarked upon. Like, it's just a setup for the comedy of, oh, she eats a lot of the soup and throws up a lot.

And it's like, you kind of, you brush past something quite toxic there, you know? ALICE Yeah. It's made me feel bad. JUSTIN Yes, no. She eats too much of a soup and has to go to the bathroom, where there is a blind spot. ALICE Yeah, because they don't have cameras in the toilets. JUSTIN Yeah. ALICE She gets struck with a sort of routine IBS, but uh, these things happen.

JUSTIN Thank God it's... ALICE Aquafina sneaks in there and swipes the necklace right off her neck. RILEY Yeah. Cause the guards can't go in cause it's the women's bathroom and they're like, that's the women's bathroom! ALICE First of all, I love the idea that the Mossad guy and the Pope guy are like big bathroom respecters.

Second of all, in order to get in there, Aquafina has to dive, dive under the toilet stalls, and like, lock all the doors from the inside and dive out again. What you have done is, again for the Ocean franchise, created an inexplicable like, small Asian moment? ALICE Yes. ALICE And this wasn't in her job description, you hired her because she was a pickpocket! And then you've just kind of like, gone, oh oh well you had the guy in the last movie so did a confined space stuff I guess. Oh well don't worry about that guy, he'll be back.

Yeah. Well that's my point! If you needed a guy to get into small spaces, fucking bring Yen back and have him infiltrate the room's bathroom. Oh but they haven't revealed that yet so Aquafina has to fucking do it. And it's like, fine, whatever. LORRAINE They managed to inveigle a waiter into being their mule, because they make it so that a waiter carrying a tray has to walk past the

blind spot, and then Aquafina like, darts out of the bathroom and plants the necklace on the plate that he's carrying. So he walks it back into the kitchen right to Mindy Kaling, who then swipes it and puts it in her pocket. Great. Cool. SE her pocket. Great. Cool. Yeah. Cool.

Yeah. She then goes into the bathroom of the professional kitchen, and uses the baby chain station in the bathroom of the professional kitchen. Why, why, they don't let babies in there. Why would you have that? There's a baby chain station in the bathroom, don't worry about it. Don't even think about it. I believed it.

To do some, like, emergency jewelry to break this up into like however many pieces, and then like exfiltrate with it by planting it on all of them. So all of them have to go in through the red carpet, which means, and it's really like writing yourself out of a corner because they realize what they've done is they've left Rihanna in a van for half the movie, so she has to change into a gown, and she looks great because she's Rihanna in a van for half the movie, so she has to change into a gown. And she looks great because she's Rihanna, but like, we have no indication that the character has like, any like, knowledge or experience of this. It's just kind of like, well, here's Rihanna. Well, it's the whole purpose of her being in this movie, and I'm sorry, Rihanna, if you're listening,

which I know you are. If you wanted to be an actress it's never gonna fucking work because you're Rihanna, alright? Every single movie that you're in they're gonna be like, that's Rihanna, like that's the whole thing they're gonna do, they're never gonna let you play like an authentic person, they're never gonna let you do anything interesting. Too successful as something else already. And they do that with this movie, they're like, oh shit we have to get Rihanna in a nice dress, put her out on the fucking do it.

It would have been quite funny actually, because like walking a carpet and like wearing an evening gown and that sort of thing it is a skill that you have to practice and it's interesting and also sad that this film treats it as something that just like if you're a real woman you just like have that in you so it would have actually been quite funny if one of them was just like I don't know how to fucking do this and this whole thing makes me really uncomfortable, actually. That would have been really good. ALICE Just like walks past a bunch of really valuable shots and pisses off all the photographers. Anyway, so they get out to what I have described in my notes as the, these boots are made for me killing myself remake.

SEAN Getting your dick sucked? GARETH These boots are made for getting my dick sucked, yeah. ALICE Yeah, just in time for Anne Hathaway to exit the bathroom, and she's a trooper, you know, she goes right back in there, and I respect that very deeply. That's a good piece of character writing. She gets out of there having just thrown up, like, every molecule in her body, and she's like, woo, okay, well. That was weird.

Back to work. That damn was crazy. This is where I get a little bit confused, because saw them create like a perfect cubic zirconia replica of this necklace. And I really thought that Aquafina was gonna like swap it out one to one. You'd think, right? No, in fact, they make it a thing that like,

she doesn't have the necklace and everyone goes into like lockdown panic about it. It is quite funny. The security guards telling the Vogue guy, like, we need to seal the exits and search everybody. And the guy from Vogue is like, are you insane? Like, do you know who these people are? You cannot simply sit. No.

And then they're like, fine. OK. So they seal it down. Every room is sealed. The police roll up. And then they do something quite clever, which is like Sarah Paulson like reaches down and is like, oh, I found it. It must have fallen off! And it's obviously, it's the fake one. Yeah, it's the fake one.

Ah, and then meanwhile they all walk out with diamond necklaces and like bracelets and stuff because, yeah, smart. But it's like, okay, everyone looks at you and is like, here's Sarah Paulson on camera lifting up the fake one, and when you figure out that it's fake, surely you go like, her, er, like Kill Bill Siren shit. ALICE Nobody's gonna have any questions for Sarah Paulson, star of like American Horror Story and the weird Ratchet reboot that we'll get to at some point, probably.

GARETH Good points. Yippee. ALICE I should have let someone else find that. GARETH The star of Jack and Jill. ALICE I gotta be honest, I'm checked out at this point because my notes just say this is not a film, right? Like, I have a lot of spite towards this, just as an experience, because I think you can make a bad film, but I don't think this is one. I think it's a series of, like, gestures and adverts, and I just kind of... it admits nothing. Absolutely nothing. Um, because they get away with this kind of the jewels.

LOREN The fake necklace gets sent back to Cartier, who immediately realizes, which I do think is very funny. The guy like looks at it through the little jeweler's glass and just goes, oh my god! It's just really good! SEAN Whoever's playing that guy, really great work actually. Yeah, really fun. Just... LOREN Nailed it. Like he double checks in and is like, oh great work actually, yeah really fun. Nailed it, like he double checks in and is like, oh no!

You can see the sort of, my god, moment happen with him, really good. And then, and then, and then, you look, you pause for a second, you move your mouse and you see half an hour remaining in the movie and you get your dick sucked into it. Genuinely. Unfortunately, the person who's sucking your dick. I didn't take any further notes past this point, I'm gonna need you. My soul note just says kill this white cordon, because James Corden. James Corden is in here, and you might be asking me audience, you might be going, oh

yeah, like as a joke, like as a cameo. Wrong. He's actually in the movie, he's a serious character, he's put Danny Ocean away twice canonically. Write that down. Um, what?! Imagine this guy erasing George Clooney. It's fucking James Corden!

He's meant to be this kind of hard-ass insurance investigator, and he's like, listen, I checked everything, I checked the plumbing to see all the turds coming out of that bathroom, I just did that on my own before you guys hired me, but, y'know, it wasn't even scripted, Corden was just doing that and they filmed it. Like all Brits, he's like, cameras in the toilets. Cameras in toilets. Number one. Camera in the toilet.

This was also a real moment, right, and I wanna think about what we've given up here in order to do this podcast instead. This was the era when sarcastic British man had Hollywood in a true cult. Yeah, by the fuckin'... Right? Like, it's kind of, you can see earlier glimpses of it with like Suzy Izzard in the previous movies, but like, when it gets down to like, Corden's level, this is some real, like, they were hiring.

Anybody. Anybody. Like, any of us could have been in this movie if we had lent into that aesthetic, and I took the estrogen instead of that, I've never regretted it, but like, that money could have paid for like, everything. You know? JUSTIN He is here as discount Suzy Izzard, and I'm just like, you should've just got Suzy Izzard back.

Just have- SEAN It would've been funny to have post-transitioned Suzy Izzard in here as Don. It's her sister. ALICE Either it's the same character who's like quote unquote gone straight and you make a joke out of that, or you just say it's the character's twin sister. That's funny. Just do it. Yeah, it's Greco-Nagel's sister Etruscan-Nagel. I will say to the script and to James Corden's acting abilities, right? Like he barely makes it through this line where he's establishing

his credentials. And to be fair. Gentlemen, I've seen a thoroughbred racehorse thrown into a tree shredder. Clinging on for dear life on tree shredder there. Yeah, it's a funny line, but it's only funny if you can fucking deliver it. Like, straight face, right? And he just can't. I don't know, I hate this guy. Obviously I have a lot of hate in my heart and it's not fun to hear me talk about how old people I hate, but this man, this man, he's up there. Um, move it up. I think everyone hates him, actually.

Oh good! You can get a kind of, a sense of how well he's doing in that there are a lot of cuts in the middle of his lines. Um, which, y'know. Well so like, we can't fully talk about why some people hate James Corden, because we just have to bleep it out, but y'know. The Kill James Bond library. Yeah, I would say that he's been credibly accused of ****, and I think that that's probably

not ideal. I think it's, yeah, I mean, listen, all of those blind items about, you know, celebrities getting banned from restaurants could be about anyone. He's been raised from early childhood to believe that other people aren't fully human, and that he's the only actualized person, and he genuinely seems to live his life believing that. So, yippee. It's a crazy thing for a guy.

The most offensive part of this movie is where Sandra Bullock like finds out that he's on the case and she's like, oh this guy is a real Columbo type and it's like, don't come in, don't you take his name out of your fucking mouth. My notes here just say, kill him? Question mark? There he is, yeah. But anyway, at this point we get a little bit of a twist, because Anne Hathaway turns up at crime headquarters and says...

Yes, and delivers the only good line of the movie into the bargain, because she's like, I figured you out pretty quickly because you're not smart, which I kind of like. And like, obviously you were planning to steal the thing, and they go, well okay, why are you here instead of turning us into the cops? And she goes, Why are you doing this? I don't have that many close female friendships. Really quite charming. So she's like, cut me in, or I'll turn you in. It's nice that she's not as vicious or dumb as they thought she was, she's smarter than

they got credit for. Yeah. It takes away some, not all, of my criticism of the earlier bits, where it's like, oh, this is just all the stuff about women you want to deride. So we then get, like, a sort of an old woman montage, as they fence the jewels through a series of old women. JUSTIN James Corden interviews Richard Armitage, and is like, have you done any crimes? And he's like, no...

ALICE If they cast someone likeable this could've been fun. And like, it's not like you were short on British actors who could've done this role. Like, as written, you could've given this to Nick Frost. And he would've done like, Tour de Force looks pretty similar even. And like, you just like, yeah. But like, anybody, fucking Simon Pegg could have done this.

JUSTIN Simon Pegg could have done this, yeah. The tall fucker who's in all of those things. SEAN Steven Merchant? ALICE You pick a British actor up off the street, which you can do, they're free, you can just grab them into a van, you do that, you have them do the part, and then you deposit them back to their shithole country. SEAN Fuck me, I would have done it! ALICE Yeah! Absolutely, you would have done it! ALICE Yeah! Absolutely, you would have been great!

Like, here's the thing. But, instead of James Corden... LORENZO Stephen Merchant, that was the guy I was thinking of. You could have Stephen Merchant easily. ALICE Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. LORENZO John Simm? I don't know, anybody. David Tennant? ALICE I hate to say it, right. I hate to give him the credit, but this is why James Corden is doing a kind of, like,

poor man's Ricky Gervais here. And Ricky Gervais would be better at this, and do you have any idea how much it tortures me to give him that credit? Yeah, you're right, you're right. But he would have done it better, because as much as they are both cunts, one of them is a cunt who can act better than the other. LX Well, fuck me. Just get John Oliver. He can act! He was in Greenwing, he's good. D&L True.

LX God, you could pick a random Brit off the street and there's like a 5 out of 10 chance that they'd be better than this. Genuinely, just unbelievable. LX You don't even have to fly him out to New York, he's already there. Anyway, so they have to set up Richard Armitage to take the fall for this. So Anne Hathaway calls him under the guise of a booty call. It's quite funny that like, we then cut to them on his couch, she's like in a negligee, drinking wine sexily and Richard, I love the way Richard Armitage plays this scene, that he's just like so horny he can't think. It's really... he's so, so into her. ALICE She's got the pheromone thing on or whatever.

S Yeah, she doesn't need it, she's Anne Hathaway. ALICE Before I'd seen this movie you texted me in the group chat to be like, there's a bit in the sort of like back end of this movie that you're really gonna like, and I'm like, okay, sure, I'll lock in for this. And I saw the contours of it approaching, which is, she has to, like, kind of... like, the way that she frames him is she, like, slaps him a bit to get his attention, she, like, takes him to bed, handcuffs him to the bed, and then plants the diamond on him, right? ALICE That was the bit that got me, was the bit

where she's like, do you wanna go have sex? And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she just slaps him across the face and then mounts him and I'm just like, oh my god. I mean, yeah, listen, sure. Obviously, I would crawl across 15 miles of broken glass to have Anne Hathaway kick me to death, sure, right? That's payable. You're a human.

Yeah, exactly. But like, I dunno, there's a kind of thing where it's like, if? That's table-style. Yeah, well, you're a human. Yeah, exactly. Obviously. But like, I dunno, there's a kind of thing where it's like, if I'm not gonna be queer-bated by this film, I think I'm probably coining this, I'm not gonna be kink-bated by it either, you know? Because I've survived stronger attempts than this. I've survived fucking Angelina Jolie in a PVC, sort of like, mini-dress in Mr. and Mrs. Smith, you know?

ALICE Yeah, fair enough. ALICE Any time a kind of mainstream Hollywood movie gestures towards kink in this way, it's like... you know, it's kind of... there's an Orson Wells line that my girlfriend likes to reference, where she's like, where Rosamunds talks about, I don't remember what movie it is, but there's like a bird in the middle of one of the scenes and they ask him, why is this bird here? And it's like, it's to wake up the audience, right? It's the entire significance of the cockerel or whatever the fuck it is.

And like, I feel like this is the thing, this is... it's pandering in the sense that it's like, there's 15 minutes left in the movie and the movie is like, what about this? You like this, right? This is gonna kind of like, make you sit up in your seat, this is gonna like, y'know, kind of jolt you out of your reverie of not liking this movie very much, and writing down things like, this is not a movie. And they got me, it fully worked, they fully got me, I did like, that is exactly what happened. I just, I dunno, I feel like there's so little to it and it's so uninspired, and there's

just, there's no image to it, there's nothing there, you know? And like, yeah, no, I just... The next morning Richard Armitage wakes up to find the police at his door. Did they fuck? Yeah, yeah, I think what's implied there, cause he's not still handcuffed, she didn't just leave him there. I think what's implied is she handcuffs him to the bed, plants the diamond, goes back and fucks him.

Yeah. Which, to be honest, you know, but, worth? Like you go to jail for the, you know, falsely, for robbery, but... Yeah, so probably worth it, yeah. And they go back to the found family zone. Yay. Because now, they also reveal that the four old ladies who sold... There's no complications here!

They are, there are! They also reveal that the four old ladies who sold the diamonds, they all transferred the money to Richard Armitage's company, so like prison. And so they're having this champagne toast and then everyone's like, wait a minute, if you just gave all the money to Richard Armitage, how are we going to make any fucking money off this? And then they reveal that they also stole all the jewels in the exhibit while everyone was just distracted.

I remember earlier on when it was like passively mentioned that there was also all the crown jewels of Europe were in this event too. They stole those too, baby. How did you do that? They got Yen from the other movie. They got Yen to come and steal all of that. He was a key pivotal role, but he doesn't get to be part of the eight because he's not a woman. That's tragic, first of all. But he's subtitled now, so. That's true, they do subtitle.

Do some acrobatic stuff. So we stole all the crown jewels from everyone. And my notes say, won't you now have loads of insurance investigators? Won't you have like 50 James Corden's after you now? Like nobody gives a shit about the crown jewels? LESLIE Do you think they're not gonna notice that there's zirconium? Whatever. RILEY Maybe not.

ALICE An enormous kind of ball of molecular cordons is rolling towards your location. LESLIE So everyone gets 38 million dollars. And how are we gonna spend it? RILEY It's so fucking boring. It's so boring, because they just reveal all of the crown jewels, and all of the fucking actors present basically, and they're like, yay! ALICE 38 million dollars! LESLY The movie's over.

Yay! ALICE They each get an epilogue. And the epilogue, for all of them, reveal the weaknesses of the characters, right? Because there is nothing to... There's one specifically that I want to talk about, which is Cate Blanchett's, right, where she's riding the motorcycle that she saw in the magazine, down the road she saw in the magazine, and like, but she had a motorcycle already. Like it was a pretty nice motorcycle, like she trades up to a nicer triumph with like

thirty million dollars, and it's like, because she's not a character because she doesn't want anything. It's just kind of... it's accessories only. And it's like, vaguely dyke-suggesting accessories, but nothing much more than that. And it's like... you couldn't give her a fucking girlfriend? You couldn't have her and Sandra Bullock walk off into the sunset? Like, yeah. We give Mandy Kaling a boyfriend!

She goes to Paris with the guy from Tinder. For the guy from Tinder. Yeah. Sarah Paulson and Rihanna start girl boss businesses. Yeah, Sarah Paulson the wa- because like, the arc there, we didn't really mention when they're introduced, is that she's constantly being tormented by her shitty kids, and she's going slightly neurotically hoarding stuff in her garage because she can't fence it, she loves to fence, she loves to make deals. We see her in a hard hat in her new fence warehouse doing business, and talking to her

kids on the phone, and it's like, it's the dream of every woman to open a small business, I guess. ALICE Yeah. And then Rihanna opens a bar. It's a small business. Rihanna opens a bar which is presumably immediately shut down by Covid, which is quite funny. AQUAFINA becomes a YouTuber. ALICE She becomes an influencer?

I'm like, really? You got 38 million dollars and you decided to become an influencer off the back of that? Wow. Again, it's 2018, it's like, what can women... Like, again, it's that same group of like, 90% men just being like, what can be the ends to these characters' storylines? It's like, yeah, they all become part of capital. There you go.

It's all really revealing, right? To be like, women can do anything, here is a list of what I consider to be anything that will definitely not reveal anything about the limits of my kind of world view, right? SEAN Yeah, Anne Hathaway directs a movie that stars Anne Hathaway in another kind of- ALICE AGP! I kind of like this. SEAN In another kind of like, you know, fucking Julia Roberts masturbatory cameo thing, the actress who's in her movie

is Anne Hathaway. And it's like, okay. You think that was, you know, is it no one ever thinks that's weird that like Daphne Kluger and Anne Hathaway look exactly like each other? Whatever. Um, and then Debbie goes to Danny Ocean's grave and is just like, I'm- And this is, this is where you brace for it, right? This is where you brace for the phoned in... Like, George Clooney here, remember to drink Nespresso, I'm not dead by the way. That's what you expect. ALICE Yeah, like a fucking forced ghost of George Clooney just smiling, holding up a bottle of Casamigos, like, yeah. Remember to buy some tequila, guys.

ALICE Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, cutting three different lines from Michael Clayton, none of which fit the scene and it's just like... He's like, YouTube poop together. But they don't! Nice work, Debbie. You're quite good at turning me on. Yeah.

J.I. George Clooney. It's the only actual decision this movie makes that I like, right, is... GARETH He is actually dead. ALICE Yeah, they don't fucking do anything, George Clooney would not get out of bed for this, and so she just, like, drinks a martini in front of his wall, that Al Pacino put him in, and she's like, you would have loved it,

which is not even true, he would have had a weird time with this one, I'll be honest. GARETH It's like, you would have loved it, which is not even true. He would have had a weird time with this one, I'll be honest. LUCAS It's like, you would have loved it, and then she pours a bit of it out, and it's like, it's good that we made sure that the final scene of this movie, like, the last shot is like, hey. A man would have approved. It's so right. Oh no. For fuck's sake, man.

I dunno. ALICE This is brutal right, and I think this movie has a lot to say about both femininity directly and about masculinity indirectly, right? Like, all the stuff we said about how the Ocean's movies construct a heist as like a homosocial activity, right? Well, this movie's like, well what if we didn't do that, what if we did like, girl heist, and it's idea of what girl heist is, is a pretty profoundly misogynistic one, in my opinion. Like, this shit offends me as a woman and a feminist, to be like, what are girls like,

the Met Gala? Um... Jules? Dresses? Jules? Uh huh. Which is just a sort of natural part of being a woman is being able to do that, it's not like a skill that you have to practice.

It's like... BOTH Yeah. It's like five designers. Yeah. ALICE There's a bit where they're casing the Met, where Debbie says, like, I thought about a bunch of different places, but like, banks are boring. And it's like, that's the Malibu Stacey like, pull the drustering, like, math is hard.

SIDDHARTHA Yeah, no, girl crime is so right, like, it is 100% just like, what's the girl version of doing crimes, and it's like- ALICE Your honour, I was committing girl crimes. SIDDHARTHA Yeah, oh, we stole a bunch of jewels from the Met Gala. ALICE Extradite me to Girl Gala. Extra tight meets a girl, cool. I think about Anna Hathaway quote unquote doing her own makeup for the Met Gala, and also I think about the fact that all of the characters just seamlessly slip into their

gowns and heels, and I just think like, if you're the sort of woman who has to practice being in a gown and heels, or doesn't do her own makeup and that sort of thing, you're not a real woman, you're a fuckin' freak. You need to be able to look like that with no help on the drop of a hat. You should also just do that, otherwise fuck you. STACEY Yeah, it's crazy to have Rihanna's character as well, who is billed as sort of a shut-in, like, computer nerd. Just immediately dress up. It's the same sort of like, oh, take your glasses off and let your hair down, you're

gonna look beautiful type of misogyny that we're so used to. But it's just crazy to see it here. When I say that there's no obstacles in this film, I mean both in a story, screenwriting perspective, but also in the sense that there's no structural impediment to Rihanna getting out of a taco truck where they've been planning the heist, and getting into the Oscar de la Renta gown in one shot, and sort of like, going unquestioned into the Met Gala, and it's like, this is... obviously this is a fantasy, like all films are a fantasy show, but like, it's like a kind of pernicious one, I think. And that it's... you're dealing with this much wealth, and you're not really kind of... even the fucking Ocean's 11, 12, 13 did more to question it

than this. ALICE Yeah. I also think... I wanna just bring a sort of trans critique to this, because I think if you are making a film that is about women, and you're making it in 2018, and you don't even acknowledge the fact that sex as a category is being questioned in our world. Whatever side of the culture war shit you come down and let us see my side is fairly fucking obvious. Whatever you make of it, it is a fact that in our world today, the categories of sex are being questioned. So I think if you are making a movie about women and you do not engage with that fact, if you don't even have like one of them being a she, they nevermind or like a trans woman,

if you don't have that, it makes the movie feel like weirdly toothless and like weirdly, we're not gonna go there. It makes the film seem really fucking dated actually, because you are quote, post-tipping point, but you're not really acknowledging that. It just seems really weird. You gotta have one of them be trans, I'm sorry, like you gotta have one of these women be trans, otherwise it's just weird. At this point there are elected officials like in America that are transgender, you know, and they're making this movie and they're like, like, in America, that are transgender, you know? And they're making this movie, and they're like, I'm not interested.

And again. ALICE Also, like, if anybody could do it, right? Because this is the kind of film that, like, I think would be more likely to on the basis that these are actors who might actually be friends with Janet Markle of Urcox or whatever, right? Like, obviously, we're not, like... We are in this kind of brand of feminism where it's like, well, me and my friends, right, and our concerns, you know, have like a class structure to them, but they also manage to

remain entirely cisnormative, at a time when that was kind of changing too, and it's strange that even this couldn't pull it over the line, despite the fact that every single one of the actors involved in this is like a kind of Platinum Ambassador with a boy mode of foundation, you know? Like, it just... NICCOLEON And also despite the fact that the Charlie's Angels reboot literally had Laverne Cox in it! As a cameo, but she was in it!

It's a crazy world out there. ALICE I miss Charlie's Angels! NICCO now. Same! That was a better feminist movie than this! Well, like, this is the thing, I think I said this at the live show, that like, part of the reason why I got kind of depressed watching the Charlie's Angels reboot was because it needed more and it could have been so much more and it could have, like, you know, I had this yearning for something that didn't exist because it was always gonna get kind of thrown under the bus. This, I mean, it kind of like, it doesn't even throw itself under the bus, it just kind of lies down in the bus stop lane and just kind of, just waits, you know?

ALICE This movie is still with her... ALICE Yeah, that's true. SONIA Yeah, that's true. ALICE Happy Matt Garland to this future president. SEAN I find myself referencing the Michael B. Jordan movie without remorse quite often recently. But like, it's kind of the same where like, where they're just like, every obstacle that is put in your way, we're like dealing with Kalevali. This is sort of more like, they just don't really put any obstacles in the way at all.

And like, whatever they do is sort of waved off. Like, dealing with James Corden just ended up being as much as being like, yeah I'm doing crimes but like, keep it on the down-low, pal. And like, it just, yeah, it's boring, it's boring, and I hated it. Fuck this movie. Fuck everyone involved. ALICE How do you waste this much talent? MINDY Yes. ALICE Is my question. There's a lot of it. And even, that's not even necessarily all people that I like.

Like Mindy Carling. People find her funny. Like, not me, but people do. And like... Do they? How do you... Yeah, I think so. I didn't know she was a comedian having watched this film. I didn't... I mean, I certainly came into this movie, like I've heard a lot about Aquafina. I've seen her as quite a cruel punchline on Twitter, you know, where it's just sort of like, assume that she's not a good actor or whatever. And I'm not familiar with that, I don't know if that's a real criticism or just the same kind of misogyny that we're all very used to. And I've come out of this being like, yeah, I

don't know, I don't know. I never got to see her try acting in this movie. You don't get to do any acting! Yeah, exactly. I come out of it being like, I have no more information than when I started her. There's not enough directing around it. I think that this old female heist film, I think it has chronic... She's really good at the style. I would be interested to see Ocean's Nine. It's kind of like the man from Uncle, the modern reboot for me, and I'm like, there's something here that's interesting, but please

try again. And I like the film, I call it to go further. Yeah, exactly. Well that's the problem, right? Both this and the reboot of Charlie's Angels, right? And I guess you can locate this in the context of the transgender tipping point as well, of the kind of broader, like, peak woke thing, right? Of this movie made, like, 220 million dollars profit. No one is going to sit there and complain about making 220 million dollars, right? Like it's not a big hit, but it's a hit, right? And off of the back of that, you know, we've seen significantly worse movies, with significantly worse connected actors, make like five more movies off of that, and they've had the time

to run in. And like, even within the same studios, within the same timeframes, and both this, and fucking Ghostbusters and Charlie's Angels, I think there were people who were waiting for these to fuck up, and even when they made a profit, even when they were successful, to be like, well, it was a useful experiment, but now I'm ready to yield everything to the upcoming fascist movement. So no more of these. No more girl movies. You know? And like, I appreciate the concept of no more girl movies because the girl movies are insincere, right?

But that's not why no more girl movies. Instead we just get more insincere boy movies. So our position is that we hated it and we want them to make more? Yes! Genuinely yes. My position is bad job, try again. Next. I'll take a look at the next one and tell you how well you did. I had to suffer through three of the boy oceans movies. Where the fuck are my other two of these? You get back in that studio and start working. Anyway, we don't have to rate it subjectively, because we have a science-based system on

this podcast. That's true. Fucking true! It's called the SCUM system. Stands for SMARM, Cultural Insensitivity, Unprovoked Violence, and Misogyny. It stands for SOSANDAR, Cartier, Unprovoked Violence and Miu Miu. Upway. Upway.

Yeah. Upway. Yeah. Upway. I panicked, alright. I panicked. Couldn't think of a luxury round that started with you. As far as Subway goes for us.

How Subway is this movie? On a scale of one to meatless meatball marinara. S. If three... um, like, it's gotta be a nine or a ten. Like, it's very... RILEY It's fine. I don't know why they've got a whole new menu where you don't even make the subs yourselves, but like, other than that, basically, yeah. ALICE Weirdly I find this a bit less smug than Oceans 13.

ALICE Yeah. I would say so, yeah. Certainly. ALICE And I don't remember what we gave Ocean's 13, but like... ALICE We gave it a 10 for some... ZACH We gave it a 10 for some... ZACH Thirteen was ten. Twelve was nine.

ALICE Okay, well this feels like a nine then. An eight or a nine. ALICE Yeah, eight, nine. I'd go for eight, I think. ZACH I'd say eight, you know what. ALICE Eight tracks. It's like, so far above bass. ALICE Cause I also feel like they're trying to do something

sincere with it. Even if it's coming off a bit masturbatory. We're still in the punitive zone, so. S We're still certainly past the soft cap. But yeah, no, eight. ALICE Cultural and sensitivity, I'm still thinking about Aquafina's character calling Mindy Carling's character white. That was, that's for

a sort of culture war that no longer exists. I dunno, it's like, diverse cast, but in a kind of pigeonholing way. There's no reason why they couldn't have had more actors of colour in this than they did? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, it feels like very formally representation, but without much sincerity behind that, y'know? Yeah, I guess it doesn't really engage much with the wealth and the whiteness and the...

but... No! Not even slightly! Like, in fact it deliberately avoids engaging with these things, y'know? And I think that in itself is insensitive. Other than that, I mean, I appreciate that they translate Yen for the first time. Yeah, that's true, we've improved that. That is true. That's true. One? Two? Yeah, I... It's low, it's certainly low. Yeah, it's I think one.

But it's like, omission, largely. Like we say, it's peak woke, and I use woke as a sort of derogatory thing for like, seeming to be representative, but actually not, so yeah, like, one. Unprovoked violence? Yeah, no one else is using woke in that manner. Unprovoked violence's gotta be zero. Again, so yeah, like, one. Unprovoked violence? Yeah, no one else in this work in that manner. Unprovoked violence's gotta be zero. Again, no violence. Like, none.

There is none. None at all. Well, no, hold on, hold on. He, I mean, the... Okay, talk to me. The pretty girl thing, right? That's like a threat of sexual violence, right? Like, it's provoked, but it's at a distance of five years.

LILITH He did put her in prison. ALICE True. I... ZACH I don't think so. I think that's outside of the... LILITH Where presumably she might have faced the threat of sexual violence as a result of his actions, so... ALICE Yeah, but that's speculative. And that is, it is violence, since violence is the movie you want you to think is righteous and cool. LILITH Or something, is she threatening him with

sexual violence, or is she saying that if you were in the situation that I was in you would not have been able to cope? Mmm... both? Yeah. She's taunting him about his having not gone to prison. I think that's more of an insult than a threat. I don't think it's actually a threat of violence. It's more of a like...

I mean, in that case, then zero. Like, that's the only thing I can think of. And now misogyny. Which is a little complicated. I mean, this is a kind of... I mean this is a kind of, yeah. This is a tough question, right? The big calculator is spitting out like not a number at this point. Well on the one hand we have women.

Women. Women. Women can be competent in this movie. Women can be funny in this movie. Women don't really get the chance to be tough in this movie, but there are different types of women, which is nice. On the other hand, women, you do have to be very beautiful and rich. So I feel like we're giving some and we're also taking some back. Do you know what I mean?

ALICE It makes an attempt, you know? Like, I... I dunno. See, this is the trap here, right, of this kind of representation, is I want to be forgiving towards it, even when perhaps I shouldn't be. I want to say, I'll give it like a two or a three, you know? Because it's trying. But is it, though? Is it trying, or is it just marketing itself towards me as it's trying? And I don't really know the answer to that. Is it, though? Is it trying, or is it just marketing itself towards me as it's trying? And I don't really know the answer to that.

Yes. That's very true. It's hard to tell. I feel like it's still, it's kind of a risk in Hollywood terms, but in autistic and human terms very safe. Well the whole thing is so insincere in general. I think that smarm thing is really fucking it over here, right? Because if you had made a very earnest film that very clearly had a lot of emotional import

behind it, and then also had all of these problems of representation, I think I would be like, well, obviously there are some blind spots, but this is by someone who really cared about what they were doing, and I dunno, the fact that it exists in this franchise that it does, the fact that it's directed by a man, the fact that it's like... Not that that's necessarily disqualifying, but it just, it feels like... It feels like designation, you know? I keep coming back to that word. It feels like, here is your, like, allotted girl movie.

And on that basis, I want to go up to, like, I don't know, like a four or something. ALICE Yeah, we gave the first Ocean's Eleven movie a five, because it only had two women in and one of them was a stripper. So I feel like, this one is trying, I prefer this sort of thing to that. ALICE It doesn't do women a property, which is a huge improvement. ALICE Women aren't an object to be heisted. ALICE True. Women don't really have rich inner lives,

but that's because no characters in this do, so I don't know how much that's... I dunno. Three or four. SEAN Three? I could go for three. LIAM Yeah, happily. SEAN That gives it a total score of... twelve. Which is pretty darn good, actually. It makes it the best of the Oceans franchise by quite a long way. It's kind of a decent man from Uncle film, if you're comparing it to that. Certainly better than most of the Bond films. Do you have the list in front of you? I do. It's right here. Okay, well the question I was going to ask is how does this compare to the Charlie's Angels reboot? Oh, that's a great question. Let me find out... where did I put... Because the Charlie's Angels reboot had more violence for sure, but I think it was less

smarmy. Compared to the Charlie's Angels 2019, that got a 16. This is better. Wow. Yeah. It is about amazing. I enjoyed the Charlie's Angels reboot more because it had more explicit clear representation. I suppose I'm biased in that regard. This is actually better than all of the Charlie's Angels films. Yeah. Yeah.

That's a really thorny question. I've come out of this not having enjoyed this movie but with a lot to think about. Yeah, that's true. I think it's fascinating as a kind of text to create a film about women stealing luxury brands that doesn't devalue the luxury brands or capitalism or heterosexuality. Yeah, it's like we accept that capitalism is real, we accept that diamonds are worth this amount of money. And then we start the movie

from there, it's not, yeah. It's interesting. ALICE Yeah, and end that movie. And that's the end of the franchise as well, because they're not making any more. Like, that's, that's Ocean's Eleven franchise. SEAN It'll come back, it'll come back. Call me for Ocean's Nine, call me for Ocean's Nine, I'd like to be part of that, I think. I could write that, actually, I'd like to be part of that, I think. I could write that, actually! I'd like to write that. ALICE The, um, the schema now is they just take

the numbers out and they do, like, oceans. You know? JUSTIN Yeah, that's true. ALICE Oh, now battlefields. Um... ALICE Yeah. Well, that's the thing, oceans are no longer battlefields, because we're done here. We did it.

JUSTIN Yeah. Oceans is fucking sort. We've solved the whole thing. ALICE Yeah. I think it's given us a good idea of what to talk about for the rest of robbery season, you know? I think this is kind of, um, it's set up heists for us quite well in terms of the kind of cultural valence, and I'm excited to do some more robbery movies with you guys. Yeah, oh yeah. with you guys. So the next one I think Nate wanted to do, a French one which I don't remember

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Katarina Pandora Hex. I read it wrong because you swapped your fucking names around. Pandora Katarina Hex, misidentified lemon being dragged away by 30 rats. Ah, the rats got him. That's a shame. Emily, Queen of Sloths, Carrier. Emily, Queen of Sloths, Carrier, George Simmons, Mistress, Angela, Aayla, Zoe, Shepherd, Finn, Ross, Talkative Tiger, Tersey, Shit and Die Alone, Lauren, Bastin, Sharla, Wither Dee, Cassandra and Abigail. And speaking of Abigail, Kill James Bond is Abigail, Devon and November. Let's try that all though, why not? Our producers are wonderful Mr Nape of Thay, our podcast art is by John DeLuca, our website

is by Tom Allen and I will see you... next time. You