Kill List - Sun Prairie Part I | 11

Episode Date: November 26, 2024

For a young military couple, the early promise of a storybook romance erodes into a bitter feud and legal battle over custody of their children. False allegations lead to confusion over who is right and who is wrong - but only one of these two is named in a kill order.Follow the Kill List on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting www.wondery.com/links/kill-list now. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Wondry Plus subscribers can binge all episodes of Kaolist early and ad-free. Join Wondry Plus in the Wondry app or on Apple Podcasts. Hey, it's Cole. A quick warning before we start, that this episode contains allegations of child abuse. It all started with a lie. A small, cute, white lie. It was a storybook moment type thing. We see each other all the time but hardly ever talked. She said she was having some car problems and needed help working on her car. So I swung by her house and her car wasn't broken. It was working just fine.

She just wanted a date for Valentine's Day. Travis Harper is an air traffic controller, former Marine, father of three. And he's describing how he met his wife, Kelly. She's a blonde, about five foot four, blue eyes, kind of redheaded skin. Frank Olsen's kind of pale complexion. I took her out on a date for Valentine's Day

and it was a debacle. She said it was just a low key kind of a dinner with her and her roommate and boyfriend. She just didn't want to be a third wheel. And it was a black tie event, you know, and I'm wearing a t-shirt and everyone else has got a suit and tie on. Steakhouse where everything's a la carte

and it's like $50 a meal. With a bunch of stuff that I couldn't afford or like and so it really blew my budget out. I was really upset about it and then she kissed me on the cheek and I was kind of whatever. Oh it wasn't too bad after all. Yeah it wasn't bad after all. The way Travis describes it, he and Kelly were typical college sweethearts. The dating was all bliss. It was all wonderful. She had all these wonderful plans that she wanted to do with her life. And I had all these wonderful plans that I wanted to do with my life. And they all kind of lined up together. And it was just great.

And she was a go-getter. And I liked her attitude. At that time, in 2003, Travis was in what's known as the Naval Reserve Officer Training Corps Program at the University of Arizona. For kids like Travis who don't have much money, this program really is a golden ticket. It's a competitive scholarship program where the military pays for your college tuition and when you graduate, you join the military. Travis was on his way to becoming a Marine, and one day, he hopes, a fighter pilot. Kelly was on the same program, but for a different reason. By taking part, she was hoping she'd get a scholarship to pay for her degree. Her dream was to work

in health management. In every aspect of her life she was ambitious. She wanted to graduate college in three years and she did. She wanted to buy a house before she was 21 and she did. And she wanted to get a career in hospital administration, stuff like that. And she did. After only six months of dating, Travis and Kelly moved in together. And a year and a half later, they got married. It was a big party. It was like a week long party because all of my friends were in the military and we were all shipping off after we graduated. We got married in my grandma's church, the Lutheran church, and then we did the reception in my grandma's little community house thing. I'd say there was probably 75 people there. Hired a DJ,

freaking got the roach coach, the guy that drives the truck and stops at construction yards and stuff for lunches. Yeah, he catered it. Travis couldn't afford a suit to be married in, so he wore his military dress uniform, as did his groomsmen. All of them were soldiers like Travis. So we even had a sword ceremony where, you know, after you get married at the altar, you got to walk through and the Marines do the sword ceremony. We got to walk underneath the swords, you know, and they stop us halfway through and demand a kiss for the Marine Corps, and you got to kiss her,

and then they slap her on the butt with a sword and call it a day. 15 years on from that storybook romance and things have gone bad. Really, really bad. Because one of these two college sweethearts is going to try and have the other one murdered. Description, he is a white 5 foot 5 male. He is violent. The target needs to be taken out immediately. My name is Karl Miller. Since 2020, I've been part of a team working in secret to stop people getting murdered. We broke into a scam murder for hire website on the dark web. We could see every order being placed, real money being paid to have real people murdered. The tally of these targets now stands in the hundreds. We call it the Kill List.

If your name is on this list, it means someone wants you dead and is determined to make the murder happen. So far, we've managed to help law enforcement arrest or convict more than 30 people all around the world. Each one of these cases is a window into a world lined with jealousy, fear, and revenge. This series is about the lives transformed by the Kill List. For many of the people we contact, the Kill Order lies at the end of a long and bitterly contested story. In this episode, we deal with a question that has come up over and over again in this investigation.

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Travis wanted to be a fighter pilot. That would mean one to two years of training, followed by an eight-year contract with the military, being shipped all over the world at a moment's notice. Whereas Kelly wanted a nice house and a settled life. She had career ambitions of her own, working in the health industry as an administrator. Being an officer's wife, devotedly traipsing across the world after Travis, didn't really fit into that. For Travis, that wasn't a problem. After all, Kelly's drive and ambition were a big part of the reason he fell in love with her. And pretty soon, after they tied the knot, Travis could see which way the wind was blowing.

I realized that this woman is not going to participate in the military lifestyle at all in any way, shape or form. She's going to do her thing. And I was like, you know, what's more important, the military or my wife? And I was like, well, my wife's more important. So I dropped my dream and I just put my name in the bucket. Travis withdrew from the pilot's program, which meant he lost any control over what he'd get to do.

He put his name in the bucket for any job the Air Force decided they needed. But if Travis thought that would make things easier, he was in for a surprise. They told me I was going to live in Okinawa, Japan. She flat out said that she's not going to move to Japan under any circumstance. No way at all. So she came up with a disease and she faked a disease and had doctor stuff and everything like that. Submitted it and they said,

well, if your wife has got this disease that we can't treat in Japan, she has to stay in the States for treatment then you're not going to Japan. What kind of disease was this, Travis? Do you remember? Yeah, it's called polycystic kidney disorder. She did not in fact have this disorder?

No, she did not in fact have that disorder. Because Travis's wife was apparently sick, he got stationed much closer to home in Yuma, Arizona, about a three hour drive from where Kelly lived in Phoenix. I never left two hours away from where I grew up. I joined the Marine Corps to get the hell out of there. You know, I wanted to see something green. And so I wasn't too happy about it.

And then now that I got stationed in Yuma, she was dead set that she doesn't have to leave Phoenix at all now. And so the entire time that I was in the Marine Corps, I never lived with her. So I only saw her on the weekends. And for four years, that's how things were. Travis even did a tour of Iraq

whilst Kelly stayed at home in Phoenix. After Travis left the military in 2010, they had three daughters together. He made his wife a promise. We can move wherever you want in the whole United States. She picked the small city of Sun Prairie, Wisconsin. Travis got a job working at the local airport. And he says that he hoped that this might be the moment when he and Kelly would finally settle down into the married life he always imagined for them.

But things began to unravel pretty quickly. They had big fights. In particular, Travis claims, he suspected that Kelly had become involved in fraud. I came home from work, she had her computer up and she was sending emails to Nigerian princes and stuff saying that her and her children are living on the street and they need to send money. I confronted her about that and I said that's it, no more of this crap. You want to live on the street?

I'll throw you on the street because I'm tired of this crap. I'm very successful, you're very successful. We don't live on the street, we live in a freaking mini mansion. People would kill for this freaking life that you're living right now. Do it again, you're out. To be clear, we don't know Kelly was actually talking with any Nigerian princes or anyone claiming to be one.

But what Travis is saying is that at this time, he was increasingly suspicious Kelly could be involved in defrauding people, although he didn't understand exactly what was going on. Kelly was also running into other problems. Travis says that in June 2015 she was fired from her job as an administrator for a healthcare company. He says Kelly told him that she'd fallen out with the management. What was clear, even to Travis,

was that Kelly was becoming more and more erratic. It's at this point that he started thinking about divorce. He secretly met with a lawyer to get some advice and started telling his friends that he thought his marriage might be over. And then a letter landed on his doormat from the bank, threatening to repossess his house because of missed mortgage payments.

Travis says it was Kelly's job to send the check. I asked her about it. I said, hey, it says that our house is getting foreclosed on. We haven't paid a mortgage in like over three months. What's going on? She's like, oh no, we paid. Well, let me see the mortgage statements. I don't know where they are. We paid. It says that we haven't paid a mortgage in like over three months. What's going on? She's like, oh no, we paid. Well, let me see the mortgage statements. I don't know where they are, we paid.

It says that we haven't paid, we haven't paid. So unless you show me, because all this crap that we've done in the past, I'm gonna assume that you're lying to me right now. How dare you? I'm your wife. How dare you not trust me? Kelly and Travis riled for a little longer.

And then Travis says she pulled out a cookbook from behind the kitchen. Inside the cookbook, she pulled out divorce papers and just threw them on the table already signed and everything. And I said, well, what about the mortgage? And then inside the cookbook was all the mortgage statements. She stopped paying the mortgage. Her goal was to have the house foreclosed on

and the divorce paperwork submitted on the same day so that I was homeless, broke, almost bankrupt because of the mortgage with no credit and then take the kids and scat-addle and then I would be penniless to stop her. Travis says he took the divorce papers and shredded them. He told Kelly they'd be filing for divorce jointly. Kelly moved out of the house and Travis straightened things out with the bank about the mortgage. Then he started the long and painful process of separating from his wife.

At first, Travis hoped he and Kelly could have a relatively amicable divorce. Even if their relationship had entirely broken down, he didn't see why things needed to get any messier than they already were. He says his lawyer told him not to worry. They were filing for a joint divorce, and that would make sorting things out relatively straightforward. Travis says he even offered to let Kelly take what she wanted from the house they'd shared.

There's nothing in this house that I care about except for my kids. So take whatever you want, just whatever you leave is mine. So yeah, she took everything in the house, silverware, chairs, tables. But I remember she took all the toilet paper and I went to the store and I got another big bag

of toilet paper and I come home from work the next day and that's gone too. Cheaper stripes. By Christmas time, Travis had finally got the house set up and ready for the kids to stay over. Christmas time, I bought beds for the kids. I was really excited about that. You know, have them spend the night over for Christmas.

And she threw an absolute fit. There was no way she was gonna let the kids spend the night at Christmas. She was like, bring the kids over to my house or I'm gonna call the police, and I'm gonna tell the police that you're not a good guy and you're kidnapping my kids. And I didn't want that,

so I gave her the kids for Christmas. Travis put up with this for a couple of months, but by Easter, he'd had enough. I had the kids, and she was just banging on the front door, banging on all the windows, screaming bloody murder out in the front yard because I wouldn't drop them off at her house when I told her that I was keeping them overnight. We ended up having to sleep in the basement

because of all this stuff. Cops showed up, and I was keeping them overnight, we ended up having to sleep in the basement because of all this stuff. Cops showed up and I was like, God, Jesus Christ. What did it feel like, Travis, being in the basement, realizing that your former wife wasn't going to allow you to have a kind of a normal divorce? Suffocating. It's like she knows everything about me. She knows how to manipulate me better than anybody else has ever manipulated me. And she's smart. Everything you do is going

to be used against you. Heck, I was terrified that anything could happen. You know, like if my kid got injured at my house, I was going to lose my children forever. If you're going to pinpoint the moment when things became irreversibly awful between Travis and Kelly, this is it. Easter 2016 marked the beginning of a war. One that would turn everyone, Travis's neighbors, the police, the courts, even his own children against him. The war between Kelly and Travis raged for four years. Over this period, the police got called countless times to Travis' house.

There were several investigations by child protection services and motions and counter-motions filed in court concerning custody of their three daughters. The whole thing was a complete mess. And it's incredibly complicated to pick through every claim and counterclaim that gets made over this period. But the most important thing you need to know is that Kelly alleged that Travis was abusing their children. And not only that, but their daughters, aged, eight and nine years old backed these allegations up.

When they were little, little, they started singing songs. We sing songs all the time. So they showed me the song that they learned. It was, All that he does is hit and kick us. All that he does is punch and yell. That's the song that they learned. The kids have been manipulated a lot. And what's more, Kelly said that there was physical evidence of the alleged abuse. The daughter had marks on her butt that she got from our house that looked like if someone hit her with a frying pan.

There were big circle freaking marks right on her butt. And they all said that I beat her with a frying pan. That's when I realized that I was going to lose. Travis says that the marks came from his bathtub, which has a jacuzzi setting which can cause a red suction mark if you sit on the nozzle. He says Kelly would have known about it from when she lived in the house, and thinks Kelly directed his daughters to deliberately sit on the nozzles so that they would leave a mark. This is just one of a huge number of allegations Kelly made against Travis. She accused him of emotionally abusing their daughters, shouting at them, threatening them.

She said he choked one of their daughters in a parking lot. It's pretty uncomfortable to only be hearing Travis's side of a story like this. We did ask Kelly for an interview, but she declined to take part. When you hear allegations of this kind, your instinct naturally is to treat them seriously and credibly. The authorities certainly did.

Travis was subjected to multiple investigations by the police and child protection services. At one point, Travis was even arrested, though the charges were later dropped. And the courts began to restrict Travis' visiting rights to his kids. I had to prove that I'm not abusive. I had to prove that I'm a good dad. They're going to allow me to see the kids one night a week for a year. So I had to prove myself for three years to get one extra night with the kids every year. But I had to prove myself for three years to get one extra night with the kids every year, but I was never going to get equal placement with them at all. She did everything that she could to prove that I wasn't a good dad for that first year, the second year and the third year. So it was a nightmare scenario.

Travis saw a pattern to the allegations. They came every time he was supposed to have the kids to stay, or when he was supposed to have them for the holidays. And it wasn't just the police and the courts that Kelly was making these allegations to. The battle between Kelly and Travis stretched from the courts all the way to teachers at the school, parents in the playgrounds, and doctors at the hospital. She'll be really friendly with whatever hospital clinic staff that can manipulate the system

and then start wearing on the sob story about this, that and the other. And then they'll change all the hospital administration information about my children, take me completely out of my children's hospital records, take me completely out of everything, change the kids addresses and stuff like that. I went to the school one time to see my daughter's music recital, and the school asked me to go into a room real quick. So I went in the room in which I was locked in. They called the Sun Prairie Police Department,

and they detained me in the room for about an hour. Missed my daughter's music recital. Turns out that Kelly told the school secretary or something like that that I wasn't allowed to be in the school. And if I show Kelly told the school secretary or something like that, that I wasn't allowed to be in the school. And if I show up at the school, they are supposed to call the cops and go on lockdown. The school believed it and did. And the cops, why they worked it out, freaking just detained me for about an hour in the

school. You know, I called up my lawyer and my lawyer's like, you know, he can tell that she still kind of believed Kelly on it. I'm stuck now and in this living hell where even being the greatest guy in the world that I can be, I'm guilty. The police were gonna come after me, the schools are coming after me, everyone's coming after me and there's nothing I can do to stop it.

And I was terrified of it. Even just listening to Travis, it's easy to understand why the local community turn against him. It's commonly accepted that allegations of abuse should be taken really seriously, and rightly so. I'm sure listening to this, you're at the very least a little wary too. So there's Travis living in a town that is not his home, completely isolated from the rest of the community, barely able to see his children and with everybody thinking that he's a violent abuser.

He probably would have crumbled in all of this if he hadn't had someone backing him up. Fortunately, he met his new girlfriend, Liz, in 2017. We met at a bar. A dating website so that we went to a bar and met up for a first date. And he just kind of never went away, is what I say. At the time I was going through divorce, and my ex-husband and I get along great right now. We do family stuff, all of us together. But at the time we were arguing quite a bit, and we were comparing whose ex was crazier. And he won. We'll just put it that way.

Travis told Liz upfront about the issues he was having with Kelly and local child protection services. I mean, he would say, CPS showed up at my house. And I'd be like, CPS doesn't just show up at your house, right? You know, there's got to be something else going on. But he would send me the CPS reports and I would read them. And I have a lot of friends that are child psychologists. And I'd be like, but it says right in here, mom says what to say. Mom tells us what to say.

And I was like, I don't believe them. Liz met Kelly for the first time when she turned up, uninvited to Liz's son's birthday party. She asked me a bunch of questions and I told her, you know, right, we're making a good fourth effort. And one of it was where I work out. And I told her where I worked out. And the next thing I know, she had gone to that place

and she told him I was under police investigation. You know, she went after my children. She tried getting a restraining order against my five-year-old. I just realized that this isn't normal behavior. It was hard. It was really hard. It was, I it was really hard.

It was, I've never been in a position like this. In Liz, Travis now had someone who understood what he was going through. I said to him, we gotta stop this because it was affecting the girls, it was affecting my kids, it was affecting our relationship. And I was like, either we got to change it or we got to part ways because this is a lot.

I could give up the ghost and quit, right? And if I give up the ghost and quit, I'm subjecting my children to be with her full time. And she's going to subject them to an entire life of this. You know, she's going after me right now, but it won't take very long for her to go after them. So I can't give up. I gotta fight it.

And I was talking to Liz, she's really smart. And Liz is like, well, in order to fight it, we have to get our ducks in a row. We have to start holding people accountable. We have to start showing receipts. I put up cameras in my house to show that I don't abuse my kids. We talked to a police sergeant's boss and we let them know, like, there's cameras in our house now.

We're going to be able to show you any moment that you come into my house, you can look at my cameras and go back in time. You can look at them freely whenever you want. Putting cameras in your house is an odd thing to do. But an unbroken record of video footage was the most powerful way Travis could think of to actually disprove the allegations Kelly was making. If an allegation got made to the police or the court, Travis could show exactly what he was doing at the time the alleged incident was supposed to have occurred.

I'm a good dad and I'm going to be a good dad. And I'm not going to let her manipulate my emotions ever again. I'm going to be polite. I'm going to be respectful. And I'm going to just be the best person I can be. And that's it. That's it. I'm done.

I'm done with all this stuff. Travis says he submitted himself to every test that the authorities demanded of him. Home visits from child protection officers and visits to the court to be watched by their guardian ad litem, the official appointed by the court to represent the children's interests. in Adlytum, the official appointed by the court to represent the children's interests. By 2020, four years after the first allegations were made, the tide had slowly begun to turn in Travis's favour. Investigations by the police couldn't find any good evidence to back up the idea that Travis was an abuser. In fact, the report from the family court seemed to show the opposite.

All three girls were observed to engage Travis in conversation, jokes and their play. He responded to each child, participating in imaginative play. The children all made physical contact with Travis. They were sassy and funny and all three teased Travis at times. None of the children showed signs of fear, caution, anxiety, distance or anger toward Travis during the observation appointment. Each year his custody rights increased until he was able to see his children three nights a week. Every step of the way Kelly fought for sole custody of the kids. But as control began to slip away, Kelly began to target not just Travis but also the court officials. In what was possibly a crucial mistake, she allegedly accused the Guardian ad litem of

having an inappropriate relationship with Travis. In February of 2020, Travis won a major victory. The court ruled that he and Kelly should have 50-50 custody. Not only that, but Travis was given impasse rights, meaning that if he and Kelly couldn't agree on something, then he had the deciding vote. Kelly wouldn't be allowed to change things like where the children lived or their schooling without his permission. And most crucially of all, the judge directly addressed the question at the heart of so

much of everything that has happened to Travis over those years. There is no factual basis in this record to conclude that Mr Harper is physically abusing these children. Is he stern? Is he harsh at times? Yeah. I wish he would be less assertive, less confrontational with his kids, with his ex-wife. But I don't take children away from their fathers because their personality is difficult. The judge also had a warning for Kelly. If this situation of constantly hauling Mr. Harper into the authorities for false accusations of child abuse continues, I will not hesitate

to end all custodial rights of Ms. Harper. So the legal case is getting more desperate. and all custodial rights of Ms. Harper. So the legal case is getting more desperate. She can't do it with the judiciary, with the judges and stuff like that anymore. They're not playing her game. So it's not going her way that way. The police department's not playing her game at all anymore.

She can't even take the kids to a doctor at all without my permission. Dane County Human Services, I think is what it's called, but CPS, Child Protective Services, they're completely done with her. They're all done with her. By Christmas 2020, Kelly and Travis were pretty much right back where they'd started in 2016,

arguing about who could see the children at Christmas. Now you're probably wondering how it is that we fit into this. Well, It was just at this moment, Christmas 2020, that me and my team come across a kill order worth $5,000 on the dark web, targeting Travis. Travis Harper, the target needs to be killed. He is a white five foot five male, dark brown short hair, blue eyes, weighs 165 pounds. She is violent. Hi, normal kill $5,000.

Accident $9,000 for average person, no bodyguards. The person placing the hit goes by the moniker of Malik8. And the first thing we noticed about the order is that they've uploaded two pictures to the site. The first shows Travis smiling for the camera with his daughter in his arms. The daughter's face has been blacked out. Travis has short crew-cut hair

and is wearing a green T-shirt and jeans. We found the same photo from Travis' social media. The second photo is one of Travis' blue pickup truck parked on his front porch. It looks like it's been hastily taken on a camera phone. We couldn't find it anywhere on Travis' social media. It looks like it could have been taken by Malacate themselves. And in the photo itself, there's a dim outline of a car reflected in the metallic bodywork of Travis' car, like the person is slowly rolling past when they took the photo.

Which means that the person who wants him dead could have been there right outside his house. It shows they've got access to him and know where he lives. Malakay also claims to have already been trying to place hits on other similar sites and they're haggling over the cost of the latest job. I had the 5,000 grand in Bitcoin, but I sent 4,000 to that site. So as of now, I'm out almost 9,000 for one job. So how do we move forward? I don't trust that you have some in the area to do the job. Did you get my reply as I sent proof of my Bitcoin account on Coinbase?

So what's the plan? The target needs to be taken out immediately. Hi. That is no proof of Bitcoin. Pictures can be faked. Proof of Bitcoin is if you put Bitcoin in an escrow. Do you agree to put Bitcoin in escrow? You know I've already been ripped off. I don't know how to fake a picture,

but I believe you can fake and try to scam me. If you want proof, I also need proof. Hi. If you can't provide proof, go elsewhere. Don't fucking waste our time. Okay, done and done. I don't appreciate you wasting my time by not showing anything

and just trying to steal Bitcoin like the last site." Malik8 sounds business-like. Exactly the sort of order that sends us scrambling because it clearly isn't trolling. The messages we can see show that this person has made multiple attempts to place the hit, even after they've been scammed. Malik8 seems utterly determined to kill Travis, and now it's our job to try and get word to him before it's too late. When we get through to Travis,

he only has one suspect in mind. And in the days that follow, he begins to grapple with what all of this could mean. I get more worried that Kelly's gonna kill the, more than I've ever been worried about her trying to kill me. If she thinks that she's going to lose placement and custody of those kids, she'd kill them just the same as looking at you. You know, if she can't have them, no one can. That's next time on Kill List. If you like Kill List, you can binge all episodes ad-free right now by joining Wondry Plus in the Wondry app or on Apple podcasts.

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