Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Dead Cells, The Messenger, Spider-Man and More! - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep 186

Episode Date: September 10, 2018

We have been playing so many games! We discuss our thoughts on Dead Cells, Spider-Man, The Messenger, Destiny 2 Forsaken, and more! (Released first to http://www.Patreon.com/KindaFunnyGames Supporters on 09.07.18) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up guys? Welcome to the first ever episode 186 of the kind of funny games cast. As always, I'm Tim Getty's joined by one of the coolest dudes in video games. Greg Miller. Ahoy, hooy! It's Spider-Man Day, by the way. Woo-hoo! Happy Spider-Man Day! We're recording this later than usual. Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So thank you on Patreon people for your patience. Your patience on Patreon. But usually this would be up first thing Friday morning, but because I went to the Madden tribute live stream. Oh. We had a delay recording one day. I want to talk about that in a second. Okay.

Next to him. Andy Cortez joining us on the show. This should be a fun one. It's going to be a great one. What's crack a lackey? Andy. I love your catchphrase. It's my favorite Greg Miller catchphrase.

Jerry Patty. The Reverend. Yay. Glad to be here. And joining us on shock mic for a little bit. The producer slash seducer, Nick Scarpe. Do not ever sleep on me. Never.

Never sleep on me. Do you understand me? I'm going to tell you what. I just wanted to take you. You guys are super positive. I just wanted to take it down a notch. Take it down a notch. Stay back.

Your tummy makes a nice soft cello. I will sleep on you. I'll just lean right up against you. I'll sleep on me. Absolutely. This is the Kind of Funny Games cast each and every week right here on YouTube. com slash Kind of Funny Games. We get together and talk about video games, all the things that we love about them because, yes, video games are in fact cool.

We've been playing. So today's whole show is just games that we've been playing games that we couldn't talk about before. The now we can. It's going to be a very exciting time for everyone. You can get the show early by going to Patreon.com slash Kind of Funny Games and watch live, or you can get it as an early audio or early video file, however you want to do that. Also on Patreon.

And shout out to our Patreon producers, Warren Moore, Eric Heights, and Tom Bach, the men, the myths, the legends. Whoop, who, who, who, go, go Cowboys, Tom. It's awesome seeing Tom Bach at Pax last week. Oh, yeah? Yeah, you came by the Red Dead panel. I was really happy to see him. My man.

And I also shout out to all you beautiful people that are going to be here. No? Cool, Greg's giving me the no. If Kevin got him the files, you're there. Otherwise, we'll see you next to me. Kevin had a wedding. That's also worth pointing out of. Four weddings in a six weeks, man.

That sounds like a nightmare, dude. How you doing, man? Greg Miller. Yeah, buddy. How was the Madden thing? It was cool. If you didn't know, they did a Jacksonville tribute yesterday down in L.A.

that was a live stream, hour and a half, promoting the GoFundMe that EA has started to support survivors and the families of, of course, the Jacksonville shooting. at the Madden competition. So yeah, yesterday shot down for a day trip to go there.

It was far grander than I thought it was going to be. Because it was very, you know, I think this is the first round of what security for a Madden event looks like after the Madden shooting. And it was intense in a good way, obviously. Obviously, you know, you have to learn from these things. And so it was, you know, that I landed, went to a hotel, and then checked in there with my government ID, got it. a wristband, then went to a holding area,

and then went from the holding area, through security in a metal detector, and a bag check, then onto a bus, then driven to a location we didn't know we were going to, then you got there, and there was security all over the place there. Really? Yeah, I mean, it's... I mean, okay, so I'm gonna continue with this. Well, actually, just put it... Yes, really.

And I think it's the future, right, in terms of what we need, because guess what? This is also the first games cast since Pax. And I meant... I was looking through my Instagram stories because we should put a Pax area in there for me to talk about a few games. I saw my packs on your rundown. Sorry, cool, Greg.

But the number one conversation of Pax, as usual, was, oh man, how's your show going? And the number two one is, can you fucking believe there's still no security here? Can you believe, like, it didn't even dawn on me because I take it for granted, obviously, and I'm so used to it. But I, you know, I was run into a Jared's panel

that we did the Superman panel, and Jen needed her hat. So I grabbed her hat, and I ran to the convention center, got my badge, upstairs, dropped the hat, came back downstairs, and was out onto the street when I was like, no one patted me down. There was no metal detector.

No one had any of their bags checked. The new- Pax doesn't have metal detector? Oh, Pax East does. And this is what I was talking about when I'm bringing this up, right? Pax East does. And I remember when they added that right after the Boston bombing. Like it was like, you need that catalyst for change, right? And that was what it was there.

And I vacillate on this one with Pax, right? In the way of, holy shit, this tragedy happens on Sunday. and you're opening your doors on Friday, right? Like, I get that that's hard to pull together of all of a sudden, where do we get to metal detectors, who's staffing the metal detectors, who's doing bag checks, what is the one entrance, what is the plan? I get all that, except for the fact that this wasn't the first packs,

this wasn't the second packs. We've, this has been a conversation in packs before. Like, this is kind of ridiculous, right? That we all just wander in and nothing happens. And that's what it's been. So the Madden thing yesterday, obviously, I think they, obviously, it's at the forefront of everybody's mind, but I think it is that, yeah,

they need to, and they understand, figure out an idea of how this looks going forward and what does all this happen. So, EA is donating a million dollars to the victims. Correct. To the Jacksonville Fund that they were promoting the GoFummy thing for the issue. And there's also a GoFundMe on top of that, right? Well, that's where the money went. Oh, that's where it went.

Yeah, the million dollars went to that GoFund. Into that fund. Thank you. I think that we talked about this on Long Gades Daily the other day. I think that's pretty spectacular. I'm seeing people come together. I'm glad you decided to be a part of it. Oh, well, that was the thing, right?

As soon as this happened, it's what I talked about on the show yesterday too, right? on the Sunday of this happening, right? Like that stopped Gen. Nye's day in its tracks, right? And it's obviously every time there's a mass shooting in America, you have that moment of like, holy fuck, what's going on?

But to have it be that, it was a mass shooting that happened on Twitch. It was a mass shooting that happened with Madden. It was a mass shooting that claimed lives of gamers as they were holding controllers. You're like, there's no longer that thing of, well, I'm not in school, or well, I wasn't at this church

or I wasn't at this place. You know what I mean? It's a situation that, to us especially, right, is so every day and so normal that it was like, what the fuck? And, you know, I wrestled for days on publicly on Games Daily with like, what do you do with this anger and sadness and desire to change in a loss? Like when EA and Matt and the Madden team were like, hey, we're doing this. Like, they didn't even ask.

I reached out. I'm coming. What do you need? Like, what can I do for this? I think that's spectacular. Like you and like most people, I feel kind of paralyzed when these things happen very often or confused, lost. how do I help?

And there are things we can and can't do to prevent events like this. We're not going to go into that here. But this is something concrete. You can do cash after a violent incident in a person's life with medical expenses helps immensely. You can't bring people back to life this way, but you can help put families back together. And it was the event itself, right, of I expected it to be that when I knew we were going to the hotel, I knew we were getting bused somewhere. I expect to be bused to EA's play of vista office, right?

And just they had a streaming room there and then a conference room on the side or whatever where people were hanging out. but when I got to the hotel, like there were all of these kids, they're streamers, right? You know what I mean? And people I didn't know, but they all knew each other because they were the Madden. They are the Madden community.

Yeah. And I was talking to one of them and he's like, yeah, you know, like they brought out 150 people. Like there's 150 Madden competitive players here and streamers there. And Kat Bailey from US Gamer was there. And Scott Porter from,

you know, friend of the show, obviously, but also from Longshot was there. And the, I've only met him once in passing. The star, his counterpart,

Devin. Oh, Devin Wade. I forgot that. That actor was there too as well. Like they had all these different people from different walks of life, but it was very much anchored in, hey, we're the Madden community.

They had people that were at the event in Jacksonville there. You know what I mean? Like to be part of it. And the shot, you know, I was getting interviewed. I was hanging out of Laser Corrin from from from Smosh and stuff, right?

And it was like, we were getting interviewed by a guy. And so I'm like, where you from? I was like, oh, we're just waiting for it to go live. I'm like,

so you just, what are you doing? He's like, oh, I'm like, I'm like a Madden shoutcaster. You know what I mean? Like this is, I'm known in this community. I know everyone really, really well.

And I was like, oh, that's awesome. And talking to them about on camera even, you know, talking to the host about how this put it all in perspective for so many of them, right? Of like, cool. Yeah, I didn't. I've never, we're rivals. And maybe we've trash talk a bit too far. Like that's water under the bridge, right? Like, we got to come together and we got to make this thing happen.

In the same way, I'm there representing our side of the industry, but I'm there with e-sports people, right? And in the same way of, too, like, I'm there because I, I, I, I really. really like Madden. But I'm not a professional Madden play. Every scene me play Bobby. I'm not great. You know what I mean? It's very much like Madden holds a special place in my heart for being what Pohn I bonded over in like whatever. Seventh grade, fifth grade, whatever it was. And it was crazy. And it was nice to be there. And it was, I thought a really well done thing. It seemed like it was well received. It seemed like they raised a lot of money. You know, it's good on EA for doing the right there. How long was the event? How long was the last? It was

beforehand an hour of getting to there. Because like you got it was at an, it was at the same airplane hangar that they did the Destiny 2 reveal at for Judges Week and Call Duty Black Ops for Reveal at Judge's Week. So a giant space. Was anybody there to document it? I mean, were any press on the ground doing enterprise? Cat was going to do something I thought. Keely was there, too. Yeah, Keeley was there, but I don't know if Jeff did anything for like for published. Kat did and I wouldn't be surprised if EA packages in some way because they had people roaming with cameras and doing all sorts of stuff. And it was a really well done setup for something. I mean, what's, I mean, totally inside baseball for all of us,

obviously is the fact that they pulled it off in like seven days. Yeah. And it was like a polished thing where we were sitting at me, me and laser corner playing, we were sitting there and I looked up and I saw the little camera above the TV and I saw like mics not hidden, but like on the sides of the chairs. And I looked over and they were like broadcasting gameplay in between stuff.

And I was like, oh, they're just kicking to different games to show you what's happening. People fuck, I'm like, that's awesome, right? No, that's a ridiculously impressive for the amount of time that they had. I've been on the planning end of events like that.

And that's simply the amount of work people must have put in because they cared about it. That makes me, that warms my heart. Very cool. So it was very, very nice. So moving on to video games proper. Spider-Man, we could finally talk about it. Oh, my God. Unfortunately, only me and Greg have played it so far.

You guys, that gets to play it right? I have not played yet, no. I mean, aside from what I played for the first four hours or whatever back in that LA event. No, I have not touched it. reviews up, obviously. YouTube.com. So, that's kind of funny games. So go check that out for our super in-depth thoughts, I think, on the entire game.

But the overall thing is it's awesome. It's so good. So good. Can't wait for everyone to play it and, like, see all the fun things. I feel like the game's so full of not only just Easter eggs, but cool moments that, like, are things that you definitely aren't going to miss. Because it's, like, part of the story. Yeah. It's just very, very authentically Spider-Man.

100%. Yeah. I think, you know, the most pressing thing for, you know, Gamescast people and Andy of course is that you got a copy today. You run home to play it. We're doing the Game's cast, Spider-Man spoiler cast with Brian Intahar on Monday that afternoon. So that'll be up super soon and that'll be ready to go. It'll wait for you. Don't worry about trying to, you know, enjoy the game. Not you, Andy. You all enjoy the game. Take your time with it. Have some fun. But yeah, we'll get that up. I did have a lot of fun last night just, you know, browsing through Twitch

and watching people play it. And I made sure not to watch past the point where I sort of ended my game play at but it was just really cool seeing people's like honest happy excited reaction just sheer joy just like swinging through and being like this is the coolest fucking this is this is a big deal yeah yeah I think I really believe because like when it when it first started coming out I remember the the E3 that it debuted um I I hit up current and he you know it isn't in he doesn't follow IGN he doesn't follow game news so it's like every E3 he'll hit me up and be like hey what happened and I'm like what do I need to carry on well the big Sony thing is like there's a Spider-Man game and he goes

Okay? Yeah. Spider-Man? Like, what's special about that? No, no, no, no. But it's like, it's first party. And it's like, whatever. And I think that now that it's out there, like,

even the people like him are going to be like, oh, I get it. Like, this video games are evolving. It's just like another huge weapon added to Sony's arsenal. Like it didn't really, it didn't really hit me until I saw what Gorilla Games does when God of War came out and they posted a drawing of Aloi with Kratos. Yeah.

And what's it, what's boy? Just call him boy. Oh, Atreus. Traus, yeah. Boy. Well, then they posted another one today of Spider-Man in that group. And it's like, yeah, this is a first, this is like a, yeah, it makes sense now. It's sort of like, like, you know, the front desk a gorilla piled with Spider-Man copies for everybody in the studio.

That's awesome. That's so cool. Another awesome single-player first-party PS4 exclusive. It's almost like PlayStation knows what they're doing with this stuff. I know. It's shocking reasons to buy their hardware and not someone else. What? Okay, so I have been as close to blackout as I get on this game.

I've been around at events. I have still not played it. So what I want to know first and foremost from you, how does Spider-Sense work? Because I care more about that than anything else about Spider-Man. I mean, it's like Batman's Bat sense, right? It's pretty much exactly the same thing where you know, it'll pop up and you, that knows that means to hit the counter button, but it goes, it's white and then when it goes blue, if you hit it, you can counterattack.

Okay, so it's a lot like that. That's how they used to use with that? And then as you level up Spider-Man, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you unlock new abilities that'll be like you know if you do it perfectly you'll web the guy so he's out of the picture for a little bit while you take care of other dudes my all-time favorite spider-man power beyond the swinging beyond the strength is the spider sense i love not the extra arms no i know not the extra arms curiously i'm always been riveted by his shirtlessness but when uh that's different spider man all together yeah but when guard uh spider-man spider sense is what allows

him to play with the big voice sure like nobody can counter that it's extremely difficult to hurt Spider-Man. He knows what's going to happen before it happens. And I wondered how they were going to convey that in the character. What about the flavor of the narrative? Does it feel like a great Spider-Man comic? One of the best. I say. Like, it's definitely up there. It's not the best Spider-Man story I've ever seen. But it's in, I would say, top five. Yeah. You're going to come away with a really interesting, I'm very fascinated for your take. Because my critique that I talk about in the review, but I also waver on, right, is that I just, felt like the story was too predictable at times.

But I think I'm talking about big picture predictability, right? Whereas there are tons of moments in there that I had already known whether it be from a preview, whether it be from something I played, whether it be from something I've seen, whether it be from a trade at the right? So it's like, for you to come in sight unseen, I'm going to be interested

to see what your takeaway is from the key moments throughout the game. Because there's a bunch and it's that, they did a great job with this one of here's our universe. Here's what we're establishing. And I'm in the whole way. I love Peter and M.J. storyline. I love Spider-Man's overall. I love Yuri. I love this moment that I want to talk about

and this moment that I want to talk about. Like I love the story but I just at the end I was like I kind of felt like this is where we were going but even that's taking away from some of the people motivations changes whatever stuff like that. It really feels like playing through a season of a Spider-Man TV show. Okay. And with that it's pros and cons because I feel like it's a good season of Spider-Man but there's also so much potential and you're just you're excited

for season two. Yeah. And it's just like there's certain things that you want to happen that don't. And then in other ways, it feels like certain things were rushed through a little bit too quickly because they needed a season finale. Interesting.

Okay, so you feel like some of it was a little push? Yeah, just some of it. And it's still fun. It's still awesome. But it's just, I think that, and I'm just being really critical

of this, even though it's an amazing thing. I feel like they did such a great job building the world and having all the characters in it. And a lot of it was like a slow, long character,

like you see a lot of a character arc. Yeah. And then for a lot of some of the other characters is kind of like, but let's get to the cool stuff. And that's the thing is like I felt there's, I'm not going to say the character, especially for you if you're, we've been on a blackout, but they've revealed this character. Actually, I did. I'm not on a complete blackout.

I never blackout on anything, but I, I have endeavored to stay away from it. I don't want to, do you only say anything? I don't mind you saying it. I mean, again, if you saw any of the silver sables in the game. Okay, Silver Sable. Silver Sable for me feels like such an Activision character where I felt like the Spider-Man Activision games were like, here's so much stuff and we don't really care if you know or care about these characters.

and like we're not going to give them. It's Silver Stable. So like, you're just a mercant. Like, why are you in this game? Like, what is your purpose?

Yeah. Like, I feel like you could easily take her out and just, there's a group of mercenaries. Okay. Yeah. Cool. That's all I need.

Like, even like, her entire story arc, I'm putting in quotes because it's really just like, I have three cut scenes or whatever. And then it's like, so some of it felt forced. Like occasionally you'd buy a comic book and you just have somebody else

besides Spider-Man on the cover. Yeah. To compel you to buy that particular book. Did it feel like that? Like this she's really good deal about her I think in the promotional materials but like they did reveal her as a character Reveying like oh man fuck what are they gonna make her interesting because they're doing a great job with all these other characters Mr. Negative is fantastic yeah and I think that one of the most brilliant moves they made in this game is making him the main villain and like the like having the story revolve around his relationship with Peter and his relationship with Spider-Man and I feel like that's what makes this game special is because we all know Spider-Man we all know the characters that we're familiar with to see that

the twist that they take on those characters is awesome, but then to also be like, but now here's a new Spider-Man villain that you're probably not too familiar with unless you're a super comic nerd. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They did a great job with it. Nick, what's your hype level for playing through Spider-Man?

I'm very excited about it. I've seen a lot of it, obviously. I've heard a lot of it. We played, you know, I think I played that, what was like 30-minute demo at E3, so I know how the game feels. I'm very excited about it. I plan on stealing a copy

before I leave the office, before you guys are done with this. And at any moment, I mean, today we're supposed to get that Spider-Man bundle that has the code that is your code. That is fantastic. If not, I'll probably break down and buy it this weekend because, yeah, I'm pretty into it. I'm not saying that it arrived two days ago and I carried it out at the bottom of the stairs when I went home. PlayStation already got an email for me when I saw like Nerda Jessica unboxing yesterday. I'm like, hey, I'll hit you guys. I'm like, hey, we didn't get the box here.

Like, oh, we think it's coming tomorrow. I'm like, great. That's always one of one here. Okay, so I do a serious question for you here. All right, because I wonder about this a lot. So Spider-Man is kind of the crown jewel in the Marvel tiara. He is their first and foremost character. I think most people would agree with that.

Is Spider-Man the game the crown jewel of Marvel games at this point? Yeah. I mean, I feel like it's the best Spider-Man game easily. Yeah. And I feel like Spider-Man games are the best Marvel games. So, yeah, definitely. Yeah, yeah. I don't think there's...

I haven't thought that it's interesting you brought in it to Marvel. I'm like, what would get on the short list for that, right? Ultimate Alliance would be up there for me. Yeah, that's what I would jump to too. If Marvel versus Capcom counts, I would say. Marvel versus Capcom absolutely counts. And if it does count, I don't think it's better than NBC2. Marvel's Capcom introduced an entire generation to so many comic characters

that they would have never ever fucking known. Like, it's what introduced me to Thanos, you know? No kidding. Yeah. Oh, wow. And there's just a ton of characters in that game thing is fantastic. But this game is. Okay.

So this is it. This is the tentacle of Marvel video game. So do you want to talk about the one string? Yeah. So I mean I've tweeted about it. We mentioned in the review and everything else, but shirtless Spider-Man is in this game. I think that's it's crazy. Cool. Are you serious? Yeah. Oh, not the skin like people, when it was leaking, people were sending out screenshots of a Spider-Man skin that is in his skivies. He's just in like underwear. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not what we were talking about. There is a shirtless, uh, I thought you're asking a question, but no, I'm just stressing my shoulder out. That's fine. Uh, yeah, shirtless Spider-Man, the character. The character. or the model is there. That's insane. It was so crazy. Again, shout out to you guys for making this shit happen.

Shout to Insomniac Games and Marvel games. We're like, oh, thanks for the support. Here, we'll put him in the background of this thing. And not even in the background. And that's the other thing, too, is, like, a lot of people are worried about whether or not they're going to see him. Don't worry.

Like, he is on the story critical path. Yeah, yeah. You run into him. It's so ridiculous. How far is it from thinking like that might be a DLC pack a lot, like a long time from now? I think it's far. I think, I mean, I mean,

I don't know. It's, who knows? I think, because that would be amazing, like, that would be a hilarious move for them to do if they were actually to do that, given the,

given the ground swell of support that they've clearly seen just today. If I was a betting man, I think that it probably got run up the flagpole early on. And they're like, that's a stupid goofy idea. Even though,

but like, obviously Insomniac knew that there was enough of audience behind it. And then now I would think based on the fact that my Twitter feeds full of it, the Reddit threads, everything else there may be, in like how popular is it September 7th yet,

I mean, every one of those tweets to like 2,000 favorites. Who was the outlet that, was it EGM? EGM now put up a piece totally oblivious that it was me. It was just like, yeah, give me this fat shirtless Spider-Man DLC. It's so funny.

But then it got taken down because technically it was against the embargo. Right. The scene he's in was supposed to be held until Thursday. I love it so much. But yeah, I mean, like, it's crazy for me to think about so obviously thank you best friends

and thank you insomniacs. I'm just like, I always have the Sega Genesis, Spider-Man's up there, right and that's such a special place my part of the story I was tell about my dad getting it for me right and like totally for me that moment of my dad accepting me in video games right but so then to jump ahead to this game that I've been anticipating that I was so excited it was happening period let alone to be a part of it like you're insane it's so stupid it's very stupid the amount of like and that was the thing you know like review embargo is happening as our embargoes are happening as all your or all of our colleagues and peers are playing it for review and hitting it so it was like every day I got get two or three of like, are you fucking curious? You're kidding me right now? You know what I mean? It was like Jason Trier hit me up, Ashley from C-Net. A stimer

was going back and forth with me talking about like what's this? Okay, and then like 30 minutes later she ran and she's like, money hat Miller over here. It's been very, very cool. Altano text me at some point. He's like, y'all motherfucker. I can't believe you pulled that off. I can't believe it's actually Greg. And then

like 30 minutes later he goes, oh shit, you're here too. And it's just like some random white dude with a beard. He just kept texting random New Yorkers. It's like, oh shit, you're all over the place.

So, yeah, when you do find him in the game, make sure you share it, make sure you tag insomniac and Marvel and Bill and all them so they can be like, oh man, now we have credibility

and a reason to be like, hey, you know what? This shit happened. Because there is, I had been told, obviously ahead of time. Yeah, yeah. We put the Spider-Man in the game,

which becomes, oh, okay, and like, he's in a party scene. I was like, oh, so he's like, way in the background, like you're gonna, I'm gonna have to crane cameras to make it see it, right? And then there's a side mission or maybe main mission, I forget, though, where you're chasing

somebody down and I was like, is this motherfucker I might to be shirtless Spider-Man? like, and then it wasn't, it was like, okay, then I'll find it later. And then, yeah, to find shirt, like you're saying, you find him very clearly. There's no way around it if you're looking. He's one of the only characters in the scene that when you're walking through, like, has lines. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so it triggers the lines as you go.

Well, and shirtless Spider-Man kind of hard to miss anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely hard to miss. And that's what's been fun about it now is, and this is what we're talking about, right, of how cool it is and the excitement of having it out there now, especially, and again, like, keep in mind, we didn't make the game.

It's so exciting and cool to see people reacting and fondly. Like, I hosted some panels and I'm obviously a big fan myself, but to see now as a nerd, the amount of people who are tweeting the images of it, and then the suit they're wearing in it, because everyone's in a different suit when they get there, because you're going to unlock it and wear what you want. It's so interesting to see what people wearing.

And then, I think, the biggest problem with our early eyes. access to this game was that photo mode wasn't in it. And so now to people are sending me to polished photos. You go to my Twitter. I change my image and my header is a fan's photo mode he put up

of him and shirtless sweater mid. It's a weird crazy world. That's incredible. A kind of funny morning show bit bit into a fucking first part. It wasn't even that, remember? It was you dancing for me on Instagram. Well, it wasn't even that rate. If you dial this all the way back, it begins

with, we went to the mall one day and it was after Halloween and we stopped in Hot Topic and they had it. Was it at least here on that day? Oh my god. No, she wasn't, but I remember that day. And I bought it and I came back and I think it was Nick who's like how many times you think you're actually going to wear that? Like what was that? Is that purchase going to be justified?

And we did the photo outside of me and the Kind of Funny Live 3 shirt, the shorts doing the webbing with it on there and it got that that tweet got so big that that's when it was like, well, I got to do more with this. But that tweet literally did start the conversation with Insomniac of like, this is awesome. That happened on the day you guys went shopping the costume shop

altogether? You're saying? Yeah, when we were done mall. Nick, I think I was on the phone with you that day. That's really weird. I think we were walking through talking to. You were. Oh, you were. That's freaking weird. Oh. Love it. This is the power of our

community that we can fucking force a fucking shirtless. They have the hair on my, and of course I'm not shirtless Spider-Man, but they have my hair, chest hair all over. It's fucking insane. So good. And shout out to the insomniac art team that had to stare at photos of

shirtless Spider-Man to get that right. I've talked to those people as well. Those poor artists. All right. Next game, dead cells. Dead cells. Baby. So I got addicted to dead cells.

You were playing Andy, right? Yeah. For a while. Yeah, for a decent amount. I got to the second boss and that's when I realized, all right, I get how great this is, but I'm going to move on to something else because it's going to make me fucking start Old War III. Yeah.

I got addicted to it on the flight over to Cisco's wedding. And I was just so all about it where I was just like it took a while because I've never played a rogue like before So to try to understand like how it even works it's like this is weird But yeah I played for like six hours straight on the flight and then all I wanted to do that weekend was fucking play I sat in the hotel room just playing and then the whole flight back and I also hit a point that I'm like I just can't do this to myself Yeah, I can't do another hour long run that I'm just getting beat fucking down But then I keep playing yeah like I still haven't given up and And I come back and I tell Nick, I'm like, dude, you got to play this game.

You started playing it and where are you at now? I've gotten all the way to the final boss, but I just have not been able to beat him yet. And so I don't think I have all the ruins yet, but because it's actually, I just looked it up right now. And there's actually two or three areas that I haven't made it to. So I haven't made to the Asian Sewers or the crypt. I don't think I've been to either of those. And I think those are where you may unlock the last, the final two ruins, ruins that I have to get. But yeah, I mean, I made it.

I did a run where it was like 56 minutes long. And I was like, I am dominating everyone that comes. Like, the game starts to reward you after a while of, like, as you get more experience, you start unlocking, like, you get that modifier where you can put cells toward it. And then when you get weapons, you get, like, the colorless weapons that just take the highest possible, like, level up that you have. And it gave me, like, I got, like, I think I had a sword, like, or two daggers that were over a thousand damage points. And then an endless bow that was over a thousand.

And I'm like, I'm going to. fucking destroy this boss. And I'm like, I'm pretty, and I just got spanked. I got to him and it was not even, I couldn't even use my healing ability on him. He just fucks you up. And I'm like, yeah, because what happens is, I don't want to I don't know, are you spoiling things for people? I mean, you do you be liable?

Dead cells is all about the journey. Yes. So I don't even know if it's the final boss, but you get to the right, like the hand of the king, which is like this gigantic night. But the level itself is very small. And there are, on each side of it, there is a pit with spikes. So when you roll, to dodge. You have to be very careful where you roll.

Otherwise, you roll right into the spike and it takes like a quarter of your damage away. And then I think also I didn't have the specific mutation that saves you once. Yeah. Because that's like clutch. If you get, by the way, if that, if anywhere in the game, if that it gets used, it might as well end the run. Because you need that motherfucker for the end. Like you got to have it. That's how true.

I'm getting close to unlock. That's a lot. I've heard that from people too. You got to just, you have to have that. And then the other two mutations are cool. But like I pick the ones that are basically going to give me better defense points against whoever I'm with. But yeah, and then it also just is so dependent on what actual, like, as your secondary

special weapons you get, because if I get that badass turret and the fire, I'm going nasty. But every once in a while they'll give me ice and I'm like, I don't want ice dog. I want hot coffee today. I love the ice. Ice is great, dude. Firebrant or whatever they are. Although I got the wolf trap. I was forced to use the wolf trap for a while all the way up to the concierge.

And I'm not going to lie. I'm like, I have been underestimating this because it will lock all the bosses in place and you can just put it on a trap and you turret it. You trap in the turret and that's like, I had so much success with that. And it was a lot, I was just like reading up wikis and like how-toes and stuff. Like, what's the best path to take? And yeah, like, you trap and the people and then you drop the turret and they're just getting spanked by the turrets. And you're firing at them as well.

Because my turret, I did turret with fire, which makes it really easy to get through some of the harder levels where you have to fight like some of the bosses that'll actually like if they see you, they jet toward you or some of the, some of the. opponents. But so what I like to do is before they see me, I drop and I throw the turret out and the fire bomb and just let them burn and go back up the thing. And that's why it takes me so long. I've never once gotten through one of those time doors. And I just refuse to, I'm like, I don't care.

So for you guys? Oh, really? Yeah. I just, I got to one where I got to one where it was like, well, actually, I got to one where it was like, this door closed 30 seconds ago. But then I got to another one with the very first one you can get to on the promenade. If you drop down, for whatever reason, I dropped down the right way. And as I dropped, I knelt. and the gate underneath me activated.

So I couldn't get through the gate, but if I activated another gate later in the level and it let me go to that one, I bypassed the, I think it was a glitch, but I bypassed the time door completely and got like hell of cells and all the cool stuff in there and then I just went right back.

There was a glitch that was sort of going around the internet recently. I don't know who it was from GameSpot. I think it was maybe Callie. I'm not sure who it was, but it was a video essentially of the time door, her getting all the reward, going to the warp and then coming back and all the awards Res again?

As if she had never gotten me in. That was a while back, so I'm sure that's all patch out. I'm at the point that I'm down to cheese this game. I just want to be able to fucking play it. It is such a brilliant game. I just really wish that it was a third as long as it potentially can be. I think the most brilliant thing about the game is there's so many different items, so many different weapons and traps and stuff that I don't want to use those.

I know the weapons I like. I hate the role that I got for this run, so I'm just going to die and get another. But as you go through and just start using it, you realize every single weapon is awesome. And it has a great tactic that's fun. Except the hammer. I hate the hammer.

It's too slow. Too slow. I like that thing. The broadsword is one I don't like. The broadsword's too slow. I love the, I think the twin daggers, the one that has a perk where it's a super crit. Yeah.

Well, no, it's a super crit if you hit him from behind. Oh, I didn't say. So I like that one a lot. Again, the wolf trap along with the turrets and then the cool down perk that that for your specials. Really minimizes the cool downs on the turret and the traps. So in your estimation, guys, how does this compare to other prominent action rogue likes like Rogue Legacy or Splunky?

Where does this fall in the pantheon? I don't have experience. I don't know. I mean, the only other games that I can compose. I mean, yeah, this is my first time playing any, a game this style, which I assume that that term you're using means that you start at the beginning every time you die. Yeah, both of those games are actually my first time doing it. Knowing now what I, if I don't know then what I know now, I don't like these types games.

Like they began as turn-based games. And actually, they're still made as turn-based games. Shear and the Wanderers, one of those, Angban, Nethack. There's a lot of really good ones. And then people were like, hey, what, what if we put action into these? And that's kind of where Spalunky came from with Derek Q. If you like those, go back and, I'd love to hear the comparison from y'all once you finally run through dead cells. So I'd like to see how you feel like it stacks up against both of those, which are really great.

Oh, I have run through Dead Cell. I've got plenty of experience. You're going to beat it, Nick. I might, but the thing is Spider-Man's now, and then I'm sure there's something else coming around around the corner that I want to play. And so I think this – the good thing is it's portable, so the next flight I go on, I'm sure I'll go back to it because there's nothing else I want to play on Switch. But, yeah, it haunts me that I haven't beat this game yet. You got close me. I'm so impressed because – I'm really impressed.

A week ago you didn't beat the concierge, and now he's your bitch. Well, I went through the concierge. Once you beat the concierge, I think I beat the next two bosses pretty easily. Like both the first time I went up against them, and they never had a problem with them until that, you know, since. But, yeah, it's hard. And I've lost steam on it. I want to run back for a second. Did you just say there's nothing else I want to play on Switch?

Not particularly if that speaks to me. Hulu's on it, though. Yeah, it's got like Cool Greg pointed out the other day. All I do with my Switch is play Hulu is watch other. I mean, Cool, Greg is a lot cooler than I am. I just watch Hulu on my teeth like normal. I couldn't, we were two-thirds the way through the ad read before I stopped laughing. I could not stop.

It was great. He's a G. So, so funny. Well, thank you, Nick. Thank you. Thanks, Nick. We'll call you back in. Brad.

Later for. I'm going to go. Snort a strup waffle. Yeah. There's some stoop waffles up in here. I ate two of them. I'm feeling pretty good. I feel like on that sugar.

I don't need to do anything. I can talk all day. Let's keep talking. Let's talk about the messenger. Yeah. Full disclosure, my wife does brand marketing for it. Management for it. Let's start with you.

Me? Yes. Oh, okay. Hey, how you know? What'd you play? Of the messenger. Oh, very little of it.

Yeah, it was that thing where I, I, we've seen the messenger a lot, obviously, right? They came in here, gave you a demo a long, long time ago. Obviously, Jen,

working on it, I've seen it. And even at a glance, I'm like, game looks awesome. Looks like a cool retro ninja guide and throwback kind of thing. Don't know if that's my kind of game.

And so I played it for an hour, hour and a half on the plane ride back from wherever we came from last time, Chicago. And it was like, all right yeah this is cool and I can I see it but it's this it's very much shovel night to me which is a great thing don't get me wrong iris as the video game critic objective journalist I get that this is a high quality game I don't have the nostalgia for this I and it is that thing

when I'd start it and I'd see valcare your chronicles right next to it it's like cool I understand what messenger is and I'm so happy people are having a great time with it I'm gonna go play valecur chronicles 4 bye there you go I have been playing the hell out of the messenger yeah I can't wait to fly london because that's when I plan to just really really get into it. I put it maybe two or three hours, I'd say, into it so far. And a couple weeks ago on Gamescast, we did the Game of the Year watch. I was talking about what we think it's going to game of the year. We got into it about Messenger. I was saying, I was like, I don't know that like it's going to be in the same like conversation to Celeste and things like that. Oh, it absolutely

is. I was like, it looks cool, but like, I don't know. I was wrong. I was totally wrong. I was totally wrong. This game is very, very, very special, very fucking cool. And the more I play, I was talking to Jared about this off camera. But, uh, Every time I start to feel frustrated with the mechanic or start to feel like, like, why can't I jump that much higher? Why can't I attack downward? Why can it? Whatever. That's all baked into the design.

And immediately when I start questioning, why not? They give me the ability to. Metroidvania, right? They want you to come back and they want you to feel stronger. Totally. But what's cool about it for me is like it's not just the Metroidvania of like, oh, backtracking and all that. At least that's where I'm at right now. It's just simple things of just an ability of like getting.

the wingsuit. And it's like once you get the wingsuit, it's not like, oh, you have to go back and now you can access this thing you couldn't. It's, oh, now you can just keep going forward. And it's easier than it was. Yeah, it's more of a linear progress. Just like, man, I really wish I could do this. This is, I have this now. Like, it's more that. It's not, oh, I'm looking for a spot I can get to. It's just they tantalize you. They make you want something. Then they give you exactly what you wanted at exactly the right time. This game. And they make reference to it with the humor in the writing. It's so brilliant. It's really funny. Your shopkeep. It is so funny, man.

Oh, man, I want to open that cabinet. How far are you right now? I get that reference. I am to the, I'd say I'm at the part where it is, the Metroidvania world has opened up, and I have an overall map, and I'm sort of backtracking and going through levels. And I just can't believe that's in this game. It's awesome. It's so good.

That much surprise. And that's the thing is like so many people hit me up from our peers, obviously. Like, oh, well, you're married to Jen. You know all about this game, and I'm like, I know a lot, but not that. And they'll start a conversation with me, it was just like, oh my God. And then when you get to the 16 bit part and the game goes into complete it. And I'm like, I kind of know what you're talking about, but no. And it's sort of tied into this big sort of story reveal.

And it blew my mind. I was like, wow, that's really cool for an indie game on Switch. Yeah, you start playing. I think it's an 8-bit Ninja Guide, but there is a story to this game. That's really important. That's the thing that I think puts it in the same conversation as Celeste, where it's like, Celeste made gameplay and story in a 2D platformer all mesh and makes sense as one thing. This game's doing that too.

Yeah. And it's not just, oh, go save the princess. It's like everything you're doing feels like the gameplay backs it up in a way that like all of it is just so satisfying. Yeah, this is not a retro 2D platformer. I think people might be getting that impression from glances at it. This is a retro referencing modern 2D platformer, very much like Shovel Knight was. You made the shovel night comparison earlier. Shovel Knight looked back at the best parts of 2D8 bit design and 2D16 bit design and stole the best ideas and left all the crap out,

then built a bunch of new ideas on top of it and just made it perfect. The messenger is doing the same thing in a different way. It's, you know, well, this looks like Ninja Guide in. So at the beginning, it's going to kind of feel like Ninja Guide in. But that feeling drops out the window very, very quickly. This is a much like Shovel Night, a U versus the level game. And you versus the level game are a kind of a rare thing in this age where level. design is more in expediency to get you to cut scenes, encounters, dramatic scripted moments.

Levels are less, unless you're playing something like Mario Odyssey, less oriented toward being the direct challenge themselves. This game, the enemies are largely there to impede your sense of movement around the stage. And your abilities mostly have to do with mobility or with damaging something while being mobile. And that is a fairly neglected school of contemporary game design. And it's one of the reasons that I think the game stands out. It's not just that it's got some blippy soundtrack.

It's not just that it's got a cool 8 to 16 switch gimmick. It is a kind of game that we very rarely see made right now, and it's made to perfection. I love the message. I'm really interested to know at what point, because I was thinking about the process of developing this game, and like, at what point did they decide, hey, let's do this 16-bit switch,

and I'm sure there were people that were skeptical to that idea. And like there's no way. That's like the most difficult. Are you kidding me? It's impossible. We're remaking every asset at that point. We are doing a code underneath the covers where we are switching from the 8-bit soundtrack to the 16-bit soundtrack. That's way too much.

And I'm so glad that they went through with it because it's so rewarding. Yeah. The extra work totally bleeds through and makes it a stand-out product. I just, again, I really do worry people are writing it off is just another Metroidvania, just another retro platform. Such a special game. That's not what it is. It's something entirely different. Yeah.

I want to play right now, Greg. Go do it. I want to go play games too. Can we just stop the show? Yeah, we're done. Got to go play. That game's play. Destiny 2.

Yeah. For sake. Dude, I didn't not think I'd get back into this game. What has hooked you back? What has brought you back? Well, I guess it's just like, okay, I knew at one point I'm going to get back into Destiny and I wouldn't sure when, but I know that this was the release that the hardcore Destiny community was waiting for.

where I know Bungy invited a lot of the hardcore streamers and people in the Destiny World that are like, you know, dedicated Destiny Streamers. They invited them to their campus and was like, tell us what is wrong with the product that we're putting out there right now. What can we fix? You guys feel forsaken. Yes, exactly, exactly.

And so the most recent expansion that came before Forsaken, I think it was, I think it was Warmind, I think. I'm not sure. I have wolf stabby Osiris or something. The second one was Curse of the Osiris. The third one I believe is WarMind. But when WarMind came out, a lot of the people in the community were like, hey guys, remember that thing that we talked about where we all went to Bungy to talk to Bungy about their game?

WarMind is not the DLC that we were sort of, you know, trying to get or whatever. Bunching was pretty open and clear. They're like, hey, we hear you. They said, this is not the one. We're on track right now for these other DLCs. We'll get to it, which would become foreshed. Right. Forsaken is, I think, a really cool part of the story. And I didn't expect to care about the story again.

I knew I was going to hop back in because I like that sort of gameplay loop of getting more loot and shooting things and getting more loot. And it's rewarding. It feels good. But the story's really cool where the, I don't really want to spoil stuff, but there's a character who's really pissed off. And he's an awoken dude. Super, super good look. Let me tell you. Yeah? This guy. Yeah.

Nice. Got some shoulders on him, Greg. What the pecks look like? Never shirtless, though. Never shirtless, yeah. Not that I recall. Nothing I can remember. Anyway, he's angry, man, and you got to get him, Greg.

Sure? You got to get him. But the cool thing is he has this sort of posse following him that are a different enemy type. We finally got a new enemy type where everything else was sort of like a re-skinned enemy. The Taken wore this brand-new enemy, brand-new several months. or whatever or I forgot when it was but they were just re-skin fallen or vex or hive or whatever and now we have a brand new enemy that is sort of what the fallen eventually became I believe something like that I forgot the exact lore behind it but it the cool thing is that

this really big boss guy has all these sort of it's sort of like the beauty and the beast in in uh in guns of Patriots like each sort of character has their thing and And you have to go hunt down all of these characters. And they all have like higher and higher recommended light levels or power levels. And they all have a sort of really cool mechanic behind them where, you know, it's not just shooting the guy. It's shooting the things to weaken the shield that is protecting him. And, you know, there's a lot of really cool gameplay elements in there. So well-designed boss encounters.

Yes, exactly. It's not just shoot down this bullet sponge. You know, there's a lot of really cool. And they're all sort of different. They all have their own sort of vibe. Um, they, they, they, one of them is like a trickster and he, uh, who, in his world, he will drop, um, engrams that are bombs. Oh, neat. And so you'll pick one up and then, and nothing happens and you're holding it.

Yeah. And then your ghost in the old north, you'd be like, oh my God, it's rig to blow. It's right. So you got to, you have to throw it. But then throwing those bombs is sort of a gameplay element where you have to explode certain things in the world. So it's really cool. Um, but, uh, Gambit is the, you know. new multiplayer mode.

Oh, Sherry. Gambit is really cool. You know, I think it's a little bit more interesting than Crucible would be because I know you and I don't love PVP because I'm just kind of shit at PVP. And so this has some PVP elements but it's mostly PVE.

So Gambit is, there's two teams of four and you hop into a world and the other team hops into a world and they are, you're separate and it's sort of parallel universes, I guess, or whatever. and so you hop into this world and the guy who runs Gambit is like all right today your enemy

is the hive and it's three different locations I believe the hive are appearing blah blah blah so the point of the game is you kill enemies in the world you kill either hive vex or fallen

and each time you do they drop a moat of light you take the mode of light back to this little pod that's in the center of the stage and that gives you a point the first to 75 wins bigger enemies drop

more moats or whatever. There's something that happens that triggers the other teams' pod where you deposit the moats at. It causes the pod to go into the ground and you can't access it anymore. And it spawns a really, really huge enemy near the pod. And I don't know exactly what causes it because I've only played a few matches so far. But every time I've killed certain enemies in the game, it'll say, oh, you just sent to so-and-so to the enemy team's world or whatever.

So it's like when you're playing Luminous or Tetris or whatever, you're sending attacks over to the other side as you go. Kind of, yeah. I like that. So essentially the pot where you deposit the moats at goes down and you have to take down the big enemy first. Take him down. As soon as he's gone, the pod comes back up. You can deposit all your moats. Well, it's sort of this risk-reward thing where you could collect a bunch of moats, but if you get killed, all those moats are lost.

So there was a point in my first match, I was just like the, I couldn't imagine how much my teammates hated me because I had like 12 moats on me and then I got killed. I was like oh damn I got killed. Oh man sorry. Gathered eight more died immediately. The enemies in this mode are a lot harder than they are in the actual world. So there's another cool element to it where you can go to your or essentially when you get to 75 modes of light collected a huge enemy appears and you have to kill him and then that ends the game or whatever. So his life slowly drowns out, you know goes down or whatever. but every once in a while

a portal opens to go to the enemy's world and when you go to the enemy's world you are going there to attack the other players and if you kill them not only do they drop modes of light or whatever but if they are in the mode where they are

attacking their final enemy in the final phase of the game if you kill them the enemy gains life. Do you remember the Friends episode where Joey's hosting the game show? Never watch Friends. Never watch Friends Do you know this? Anybody remember this? I watch friends I don't know okay I'm an old man but but there's this game show or this hosting where they start describing the rules and then after a while they just sort of build on top

to the point that it's crossed the bamboozle bridge to get the draw card that takes you to the magic like I have no idea what you're describing at this point but it's cool really really cool really fun it's really there's not much I care about in destiny I destiny really disappointed me but what you're describing sounds great well it's what's crazy is like after one game like all like I get it you know what's Absolutely. It hits you immediately. And so... Is that the main thing you're doing in Foraken?

Or was it one night of single player content? Or is it a whole bunch of single player stuff? I'd say like two nights of single player content for me. Where there are different enemies to take down. There's still a lot more that I haven't even touched a single... Like you end the story, but then a whole new world is unlocked after the ending. And it's a lot higher level of stuff. Were you already caught up on the other stuff?

Did you play the other thing? So I bought the newest expansion and with it comes a... an item that levels up one character to the lowest recommended level amount for Forsaken. And so when you do that, it says, hey, if you upgrade this one character, you can access any of the previous DLC. You cannot. You cannot. Okay. With this one character.

You can do it with another character if you want. But doing this, skipping to Forsaken, makes all the other DLC like null or whatever. And so... But again, well, it isn't, it isn't, right? Because you think about the other DLC wasn't what people wanted. Right? Yeah, I mean, to me, it was like,

I was hopping on because I was like, all right, I'm going to stream this, I wanted to stream the new content, and I immediately, I was like, why am I not to, oh, I have to buy for a second. Oh, it wasn't part of the... Oh, it's not part of the season. It wasn't a part of it's like this is a new season.

It's 40 for the base thing, 70 for the something and 80 for the something. Oh, I forgot what... What's the something? Oh, we don't know. Extra things. But I was like,

all right, I'll get the $70 one. I didn't, whatever. Damn. And yeah, so it's pretty pricey. And I was kind of bummed that it didn't, it wasn't included in that initial group.

But again, you know, we're spoiled. We are games for free. Sure, yeah. You know. So if I want to play this game,

and this isn't me being grumpy, man, but I've got to run out by Destiny 2, then by this. So I'm in for... Destiny 2 is free on PS Plus right now. On PS Plus right now. Yeah.

That's how they get you. Yeah. Okay. There you go. There you go. But I mean, I'm having a blast with it. I know that a lot of the community is very happy with it too. The, uh, there is, there are way too many things to do. Yeah. And, and that's what's a great move you want. That's what you want. Yeah. Like every, every person has their own bounty. Every like, NPC that you meet with and talk to to get to unlock things has like,

hey, here's these six bounties that you can do to level up and get new gear with or whatever. Yeah. I'm having a blast with it. Gambit is super fun for somebody. who does not like PVP. It was cool, jumping into that portal and taking down a few of them because they're busy trying to kill their guy and you could just pick them off from afar,

you pick them off, and it's like, good job, Guardian, and then you go back into your world. Everything's on fire. It's awesome. Every time you say Gambit, I just see this French guy throwing playing cards at Guardian.

Really cool hair. I want that mode. Cool hair. Yeah, just awesome hair. Roe-making out with him. They got married. They got married. It's pretty cool.

Anyway, I love, I love Destiny 2 for Sagan. think it's really cool and it's what the community wanted it seems like what a surprise yeah shocking and i like to the point where uh you know i had i had yesterday off or whatever and it was like four in the morning and it screwed it on my my sleeping schedule it's like let me just go do a few more things you know and it just it became that thing again it's such a call back to last year when we first got back into it where it's like uh i i i love playing this and i love chasing that carrot on the end of the stick it's so rewarding it's so you know

I don't know. I love it. Firewall. Greg. Firewall zero hour. The PlayStation VR experience at sweeping the nation. The number one download for PlayStation VR. Good for them. The month of August. Yeah, 100%.

Firewall zero hour is amazing. Kevin and I have talked about it. We did, you know, Games Daily with David from Upload VR. He had reviewed it. So me, Kevin, and him were talking about it. And I think I've just chimed in every so I'll keep it short. But totally caught. I think we did talk about this on Gamescast last week.

Yeah. We've played more of it. It continues to be awesome. I'm so stoked that's found in audience. I think it's so cool. I'm just blown away that it held up. Yeah, I'm supposed to jump in and play with you and then I totally flaked on that.

Sorry. You know how it is around here. We're all running out of a million things. Still, I want to play this game. That sounds like I, it sounds perfect. I'm going to go to Kevin's and steal his PSVR. Cool, great. Can I get a one?

Yeah. Thank you. We're talking about a firewall now. We're about to talk about. Donut country. Oh! County. Donut County.

Firewall is awesome. Everybody get Firewall. If you've missed any other time, we've talked about it. Vegas terrorist hunt. It's amazing. 4 v.4. It's awesome. Now, Donut County, your own country is, uh, is portable hole the game, right? Yeah, portable.

Hold it. Yeah. I cannot wait to play this. Donate County. Uh, we had, uh, is donut County. Donut County is you are a raccoon and you have banished all of your townspeople who are mostly humans or well, well, you're best friends of human. The other people are animals as well. You, uh, all banished. You had a hole you were moving around town that was sucking people in and now you're all underground. And, around a fire, they all like, it's an airing of grievances, basically,

of like, well, they're trying to piece it together and the raccoon's smar me and he won't admit that he did it. And so like, well, all right, Jared, how did you find out in the hole? He's like, well, I ordered donuts delivery. And then they banter about that and then you go play at that level where the raccoon's on his, basically controlling his little drone, but it's just a hole in the ground.

And he goes around and it's like, a lot of people have called it similar to Catamari. Thank you so much. Which is true, but it's different in a way. Like, I think Joey, when I, Joey played it before I did, And we were having been on the kind of funny games daily. And I was talking to him about it. And it was like,

or talking to her about it. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, yeah, but it's zen. Like there's no. And I talked to him about it too.

There's no timer counting down. There's no, are you going to get this done in time? It is like, it's a puzzle game you're going to solve eventually no matter what. And it's not even that much of a puzzle because you start as a small hole and you can only suck up small things. But the more things you suck up,

the bigger the hole gets. So then you start getting everything. I played a bit at E3. Yeah. And this is a goofy little physics game, right? of taking things down and sucking them in and then the story of this everything was fine in the town of these raccoons came in and now you got to now you're going to talk to king raccoon about hey maybe we shouldn't be sucking everybody up in holes and like it's nonsense but it's cute

adorable fun nonsense and it's two hours the games in a really long time a very long time you can get that all on kind of funny games that story but uh yeah like it i i you know of course i thought it looked cute it had had a great uh it had been you know obviously teased forever ago but for me it stuck out when it's came to PSX and they put it up and they put a funny trailer together and I was like oh that seems interesting and then all right two hours it's an easy platinum of course but like it's not like the other easy platinum games I play that are garbage this one was like you know this is really fun and it was really cute and you know I tweeted out the screenshot of it but it's like the loading

screen always says like have a garbage day because they're raccoons and they love garbage they just want everybody's garbage and that's why this is all the garbage is so an auntie and i play a lot single player games together where one is perfect perfect for that perfect because like it's that thing let her play and you just listen and read the conversations and laugh at them yeah the dialogue's hilarious the you know the raccoon's funny like they play on tropes here and there but it's it's really really well done i was i was caught off guard with how much i liked the game yeah so speaking of easy platinum games yeah on the bad garbage side sure Greg cool Greg we're skipping ahead to little adventure on the prayer give me the pitch great pitch on this one is the one i talk to you about i think

this show, right? Salem, Ghanem, Elgonum, a long time kind of funny best friend, supporter of all the shows. If you remember, Kataku article popped up of like, hey, people are buying terrible games for easy trophies and it's kind of keeping the Vita live. And this was one of them of like this game that you buy and it's an easy platinum and I have my platinum up, right? Yeah, it took me 37 minutes to do it, you know, to get the platinum in it. Holy shit. And let me tell you, and that's not even, I have other ones on here shorter. Let me tell you, Greg Miller's been covering games professionally up for 12 years next year, next spring, right?

Playing games my entire life. This is literally the worst game I've ever played. Wow. And I don't. it's not a good game. And he knows it's not a good game. And he knows it's not a good game. They just needed funding to get their next game going. So why not? Slapped trophies on this piece of shit and put it out. And that's what they did. And it is unabashedly terrible. I want to make a 10 episode Netflix series about the making of this game about a bunch of people's sitting around in the house. The Cotaki story. Yeah, they read the story.

The Kataki story. Well, I seen it originally, and then Salem saw me tweeting about Super Destroyo, not DX, and that's when he hit me. I was like, hey dude, we made this one. You might have seen the article. I was like, holy shit, yeah, thanks for the code. All right, cool.

And they talk about, like, sometimes the character gets caught on the, the, the geometry of the level and shit like that. I'm like, but how bad? And it's like, holy shit, this is gay. Like, just no sound effects. It's 2D, like side scrolling or whatever, but you're a character with a little,

uh, uh, uh, a soul. and you just walk and these enemies come up to you, right? And you swing, it's like marionettes, but it's not meant to be. You're swinging this sword around wildly, hitting them in the head. And if you stay on the ground, they'll attack you. They only walk so far and then they'll stop. So like, you're taking damage. So like you have to figure out where the sweet spot of is walking towards them,

getting them to stop and then going back a little bit so you don't get hit. And then just sitting and doing this. Then if you really want, if you, the way, the pro maneuver here in. Listen up, guys. Is that you walk towards them, and before they swing, if you jump, you'll collide a little bit with, like, their head, and they'll just stand there. And then you swing your sword up and down, and every downstroke will eventually tap them in the head, and then they'll die. And then you jump to the next character, and, like, you're not standing on their head. It'd be like if I jumped up, Andy, and I just hovered here.

I'm not on top of your head. I'm hovering. My geometry's caught in your geometry. Collision boxes. Do this. And then there's one set of enemies where all of a sudden, and I don't know. I don't think it's on purpose. You can hop over them

and then it gets all fucked up and you can't do that. So this is when, yeah, they walk towards you, you walk towards them, they stop, you move back a little bit and then you got to inch towards them

to find the part where only your sword can hit them and they can't hit you. So how did, how did, like, this is some kids unity homework assignment turned into a commercial product,

it sounds like, how did this pass cert? Like, oh, PlayStation doesn't care it works. Yeah. Game works. You can, does that count is working?

I mean, I mean, what life of Black Tiger counts is working. If it boots up, it works. I think honestly, like, I mean, let's call a spade of spade here. And this is just, you know, I'm trying to make sure.

I think this was discussed. Let's just be, I don't, I'm not sure anymore what's on the record, off the record, if I can attribute you to. PlayStation's not worried, I don't think, about the quality of their game. They're worried about you admitting you're just putting it out for trophies. And I think if you stay away from that messaging, even though Salem went that way, he didn't put it on, like, he didn't pull the five star top rate of trophy bullshit. It wasn't in the description.

put that in the description of like, hey, it's... Little Adventure on the Prairie. Like, what a shit name? That's such a... It's like, what the fuck? It's genius. When you bring up Little Adventure on the Prairie in YouTube, PS4, PS4, just to show them what I'm talking about.

Greg, you reviewed games for many years, I, Jan. Yeah. How many did you review over 100 games? Oh, yeah, easy. Over 200 games? Probably, yeah. What's the lowest number you've ever given a game? Off the top of your head. I think a time. I think a

two, five, maybe once. Wow. Not a he better got a three, I think. What would you give this game on the Greg Miller scale? I mean. Oh, it's a guy from guerrillas. It's 2D. It's, it's in unity.

Of course it is. Oh, Jesus Christ. He's way too far to the right of the screen. You can't see anything coming. That doesn't matter for this game. Right now what he's done is he's gone underground here. Konami YWiW. No, he went the wrong way.

Now he's hopping up. See, you float to it. of it there you see what's happening here. That's not on purpose. That's not, it's just like how it's, didn't even worry about the tiling textures. No,

well no, I mean, like it's, it signifies that you are in a different area. You know what I mean? That's thing. So,

I mean, like, the problem is I don't have the IG and scale in front of me anymore, right? Three was bad. And then two was awful. One was abysmal.

Coddy-Cher, can you please show it again, but like, show it, like, skip to them finding an enemy. No, no, it's not you. How would you know?

you don't know what's going. You're not doing this. Here's an Emmy watch. And then see, you do this little flight mechanics. They just disappear? Yeah, yeah. They don't go anywhere. There's no sound effect. And yeah, they just disappear.

And this is hot lava, but you can kind of hover across the entire way. Okay. And there you go. See, there's no ending. It's just you killed the amount of monsters you needed to kill in that level, which nobody knew the amount until it happened.

I feel much better. It's really bad. Much better about entering game development than I used to. And again, unabashedally. So, yeah, it's, it's, what it is and I played it on Vita while Jen was watching a movie or whatever and I was like Wow, I finished it. I was like wow that was one of the worst game that is the worst game I've ever played and then the next night I played it on PlayStation 4 So the the Japanese have a have a term Kusoge which is a blending of two words Kuso which is shit or shitty and gay game and they put it together and any Japanese game store has what they call a Kusoge corner

Yeah this would be in that corner so this is like first rate Kusoge right there and it's like and it's one of those things of I looked at the trophy guide and like, you can't miss this trophy. I love how, uh, I love how Raynavai is replied to your tweet about like, I've been there, man. Like I just, I got to play this shitty game for these achievements and I'm, it's what you do. It's what you got to do. So five to five point nine is mediocre. Four to four point nine is bad. Oh really?

Three to three point nine is awful. Yeah. Two to two point nine is painful. And one to one point nine is unbearable. Zero to point nine is disaster. The thing is, you would not have played this. into that scale. Oh, of course.

Oh, my God. No way. So it can't be unbearable. No, and that's the thing is, it's not unbearable. You know what I mean? It's... But is it a disaster? Awful and then it was painful and then unbearable.

I guess it's awful, right? Because it's not... That looks painful to me. I would have a different perspective. Look at this a little freak. Why would you do this? Why would anyone... You spent money for this?

No, no, I got codes. A lot of people... Now, here... Now, let's for a second, though, stop. Put a pin in that. If I had been told how easy... the platinum is and I would have spent money on this. Really? I spent money

on Super Destroyer or not, now granted it not a bad game. No wait, okay. Now, if they just offered Platinum's for money, yeah, take them. Would you buy them? Yeah, why not? You what? I got a couple bucks? Give it. Why not, buddy? Let's just make, it would be when I want the number nice and round, right? Like right now it's at 77, I think? Yeah, that's 80. Let me get it 80.

So you would spend like $40? No, I wouldn't spend 40 bucks on it. That's outrageous. You got to be a man. The grid Miller, where is your line? Would you pay 10 bucks? It depends. Right now here's I'm at 77 Tim. Yeah. What do I gotta do for that sweet 23? What how much is 23 trophies? How much you selling 23 trophies for? I don't know

Thousand dollars. Fuck no, no, Jesus God, god. Five hundred dollars. No, no, no, I'm not, I'm definitely not 100. I don't believe you. That's where I started debating. That's right. Sorry, this is like one hundred dollars a good. Twenty-three trophies right now. Somewhere in Sony headquarters right now Gio's watching this going, no, no, no, they're all horrified in Sony H-HQ. Where the fuck is slide? Green light slide for America What slide? Slide is five star

Top rated trophies renamed It's out in Europe Why isn't it here? And that'll be the thing You'll know when I've gone around The bend on this trophy business When I make the European account To buy the European games

To then log back into my American account And play the European games To get the European trophies You fucking drug addict, dude It just comes in waves Like you look at my I have my trophy list over Because I know we're going to talk about stuff today

Right and you can see where it's like I'm good for a long time and then I get like the taste. It's like, oh, I platinum god of war. And then I did Batman. And I was like, okay. Then Tacoma was like, okay. And then Detroit.

And then Detroit was one where I was like, man, I'm close to some milestones. And me and Kevin finally did a way out. I did an old man's journey. And then it was two super destroyer knots. Then it's too little adventure on the prairie. Then you got Dona County. Then you got Spider-Man.

I'm just telling you, man. It's fun. Enjoy life. All right? I don't tell you guys how to fucking enjoy your time. Amy's over here. Bamboozling people in the ghost dimension. Whatever I've been fine with that game, right?

Going back, cool Greg. We're going to talk about the Walking Dead, the final season. Yeah, we haven't talked about this yet. Right? No, we haven't talked about this show, right? Yeah, well, it's because we had to take time off of the, what are we been playing for a bunch of different cool topics and everything else. Played episode one of the Walking Dead, the final season.

Worth pointing out today on Games Daily we went through, I believe, actually I don't need to believe. I have it written, I have writing on the back of this. Yeah, the eighth top download for the PSN for the month of August, which I think is a pretty nice. the only other new game on there before it was Madden at number one the rest were probably sales and things like that um I think it's a great episode I'm excited for where we're going uh I think even though it's not the new engine you know they're not using

what is it Unity or they're talking about being in Unreal yeah they're not it's still the telltale engine they definitely spent a lot of time on this you know this is what they've talked about with dialing back doing fewer projects more care to them it looks really nice graphically there's a lot more visual effects going on. Like even in the opening scene Clems driving a car and they have the windows down and the D honor hat like the stitchings come off the top of it so it's like flapping in the wind

and they really went through and gave a better not better I guess but I like a more detailed art style than I think even they had in the last one last season of it which was Walking Dead last last frontier last frontier new frontier

story is interesting I like where we start I hated AJ and if you have no idea who AJ is, don't worry. This is my favorite part about it, right? Because I talked about it so much of like, man, I think a lot of people lapsed after season one being so spectacular. And we got two, we got four days and those different crap.

I think they lapsed from there. And this one very clearly opens with, it read my decisions and like said things I did. But it is very much super season one Lee heavy. And then this person took care of me. I met some other people. This thing happened. And now I'm here with eight.

And it's like, okay, cool. It's like Superman returns. Just like, hey, three and four. This didn't really ever happen. Exactly. Yeah. They happen and like you, here's a basis of like you're taking care of this kid named AJ, right? All right, let's go.

And you jump in from there. AJ, I thought was cool. It's interesting. He's basically a child Clem's been raising. And so it's cool to see a kid raised in this world where it is zombie land, right? Where they're, you know, he doesn't know touchstones for real things and like the nursery rhymes. He knows on how to protect himself and like what to do. Sorry, didn't you just say you don't like AJ?

I didn't like AJ. Okay. This episode I liked him. I didn't like AJ's a plot device before. I thought he was mishandled. and in a game of choices they didn't give me the right choices I felt for it. Interesting cast of characters were introduced to.

I feel as somebody who has played everything, there's a conversation you have that you start talking a little bit about Lee. And it's like, oh man, this is cool. But for me, it's like, this is something we did in season two with Scott Porter's character. So, like, doing this again,

I'm just like, it isn't as impressive, but I get it that if you lapsed and you'd want to have that conversation again. And it is powerful and it is interesting. And I want to see where they're going. I like, you know, the, they've announced, all the dates, it's just four episodes, you know what's happening when it's coming. So I'm, when's the end end?

I think December is the final one, if that's correct. I like that they announced all the dates ahead of time. They've never done that before. I don't think, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's the thing, they're making it into an event, right? That is the end of Clem's story. Yeah. I'm really interested to see if they continue with the tool or if they do move to Unreal, like,

some people have to speculate. They have to move, right? That thing's got so many problems. I think it's just been so easy to sit there and be like, this is not good. Like, why are we still here? here. I'm fact-checking on IGN.com and they are just talking

about this season's first episode. Cool, Greg, can I steal another drink, man? Yeah. Thank you. Sorry about that. We're waiting on that. December 18th, final episode. If you all give a damn about Overwatch, the Overwatch World Cup is going on right now.

Oh! What does that mean? It's a really cool way to watch your countries sort of fight for the championship, I guess. So is this related? to just Overwatch League? It is now. It is now.

So before Overwatch League existed, they still had the World Cup. This is the third World Cup they're doing. I don't, again, I didn't watch the other World Cups. I didn't really, I wasn't invested in e-sports because I don't, the only reason why I care about Overwatch League is because it's tied to cities

or tied to states and you care about the locations where before it's, you know, Team Envy versus Phase Clans. I don't know who these people are. Why should I root for them? But the Overwatch League has really got me into competitive Overwatch. And so right now it's really cool watching the really good pros from this team in the Overwatch League and this team. And it's like, oh, those guys are both from the U.S.

Now they're playing for Team USA. America. Yeah, it's really cool. There's a really good player on the Gladiators, on the Los Angeles Gladiators, who is from Canada. there was a really good player. I forgot where he plays, but both Canadian. Now they're both playing for Team Canada. So day one started today.

It's just really cool seeing all these pros that I've gotten to know through watching Overwatch League and now seeing some of them team up to play for Team Finland or whatever. That's cool. So who is the plucky underdog? Who do we need to keep an eye on? They're going to come out and surprise everybody. I'm not, I am not sure.

I know that by far the favorite is South Korea. They All of the pro I mean essentially all of South Korea's team is all pros Where the rest of a lot of the other teams Some of them are not in the Overwatch League So like For example this morning

Canada was playing Brazil Okay And there's a few pros on Canada's team Who are in the Overwatch League And you know them because you see them play But Brazil has nobody that you've ever heard of Because they're not in the actual Overwatch League Interesting.

But they're part of like Overwatch contenders, which is sort of like the minor leagues or whatever. And so this morning, like Brazil's playing and they are giving, like you expect Canada to the whip ass because they're all pros. And they are getting a run for their money playing against Brazil. Nice. And like at halftime, they talk to one of the guys from Brazil and they're like, so how do you feel you?

And he's like, look, we know we're not the best team. We just want to make the other team sweat. And we think we're doing a pretty good job. And like a few of the matches were like close. And the matches would end and you see Team Canada like, holy shit. Like we weren't expecting that from these people that nobody's heard of, you know. Yeah, my wife Angie says she hates all sports and loves all sports movies.

Oh. And it's kind of the same for me. I don't play a lot of e-sports games, but I love the drama around events like this. So I love to have somebody tell me the story of that. It's kind of how I consume baseball, largely through reading, baseball writing, as opposed to actually watching the games.

I like having passionate people like you just be like, and then this happened. And I'm like, ooh, now I care. Yeah, it's really cool. So if you watch or care about Overwatch at all, I think getting into, because I've had a lot of people to do it in me, hey, what's a good way to get into the Overwatch League? Is it hard to follow? I don't think it is. I think it's a matter of like, oh, what team should I root for?

I think if you watch the World Cup and if you are American, obviously you'd root for the USA or whatever, or you'd root for the Canada or wherever. But that'll get, that's sort of like, what's the word I'm looking for? like the gateway drug into figuring out, oh, this team has all these players. Oh, and this player plays for the Dallas Fuel, and this player plays for the Seoul. I forgot who Seoul Korea's team is or whatever. Or the New York Excelsior is like the powerhouse

into Overwatch League because all their team is like comprised of like some of the best players from South Korea. It's just really cool. I think it's fascinating to watch. Got it. Luminous. Play more Luminous. any updates?

I mean, did you platinum it yet? No, no, we'll see. What it happened is I, when luminous dropped, Jared was here. He saw my excitement and my joy. Luminous dropped.

Yeah, look at that. Nice. No, I forget, it came out and then immediately something else came out that we needed more imminently

and it was more critical for me to do. And so the other night, Spider-Man's platinum, I'm back from travel. I'm trying, not to save it, obviously,

but I'm infatuated with Valkyricier of Four, and I'm infatuated with Octopath. We got the 10-hour flight to London and back. I've just been, only leaving those for planes. And so I was playing another game for review that I can't talk about yet.

And I was like, all right, this is a little too intense for me right now. Like I need to, I'm kind of on autopilot like right now. So I jumped in and did, I'm just going to play a match of luminous. And so an hour and a half later,

like the match was over. And I was like, okay, well, fuck, now I would do some of the other stuff. First you said drop. Then you're using match.

Are you doing this on purpose? It's just they're natural. Okay. It's kind of beautiful. But then it was the siren song, the elixir of the trophies. Wow. I knocked out one.

I was like, oh, fuck, well, I got to start work. So I'm back on that bullshit, right? I'm back on my bullshit. I'm there, I'm starting to chip away at it. I'm chipping away at the trophy list. I'm away to play it. But it's going to be tough. I was a good red hot chili's members.

Now, you talked about, I don't remember who it was, but you were mentioning you're great at luminous. And there was somebody on, I think, Sony staff that's great at Tetris effect. Justin Massigil from the PlayStation blog is a Tetris savant. Okay. And when I was at E3, and this is one of the reasons, too, is that firewall, of course, has me using the PlayStation VR a lot again, right?

And so I'm always, every time I'm done with a firewall match, I'm like, do I want to tinker with something else? And I keep, every time I have that, I'm like, Tetris Effect. Where is Tetris Effect? Yeah. And so that Luminous is there and it's on Switch. So even on the plane when I'm like, I want something way quicker than a Valkyria or a Valkyria match. I jump into Luminous here. No.

Justin, yeah, amazing at Tetris. And you mentioned maybe that you all do a tournament where you play Luminous and Tetris Effect and then the third weird puzzle game. Yeah, we might have to come to you to find a weird puzzle game. Don't tell me. Don't tell me what it is. found it. Because that's the thing. You don't want to leg up.

Exactly. Justin, I think is admitted that I'm better at luminous than him. I've definitely admitted he's better than Tetris. Of course,

anything can happen out there in the field. You got shapes dropping lines and swears disappearing. You're all over the place. But yeah. I am found your third tiebreaker. The luminous scratch has,

or itch has definitely reignited where the fuck is it. And then again, while we're in the same vein of, I'm wearing this headset, asking about games, where the fuck is Beat Saber. We played Beat Saber.

I've seen, I was one of the first people tweet out about Beat Saber. Not that I'm saying that, like a big deal, but I was like, holy shit, this game looks awesome. And then playing it at the Amazon stream when we did the Oculus set up there, I was like, oh, shit. And then they announced it for VR or PlayStation VR. I'm like, and now it's this thing of like, I'm like, I would totally be sitting here acting like a moron right now playing Beat Sabre. Beat Sabre just sounds dirty.

It does. Beets super is fucking. It is dirty too. Incredible man. Yeah. It plays nasty. It plays nasty. It's nasty beats.

Video kid. Yeah. It's a game both you guys played. I only played for, yeah, like 30, 40 minutes because it's hard as fuck. It's like paper boys. It's a paper. You tell him, Jared. No, after you, Greg.

No, you. All right. So, yeah, it's Paperboy, except you don't have limited ammunition, which means you can just throw videotapes all you want. It's a three-lane conversion of, like, it's a three-lane conversion of Paperboy. There's only three lanes you can actually be in. It's actually an old Steam game that's been ported over to switch. But it's fine.

It's fun. It's probably worth about what they're charging for it. But its main thing is ridiculously wonderful copyright infringement. That's its gimmick. I mean, how. You are Marty McFly. You're delivering VHS tapes as you go. The Ninja Turtles are running down the street.

Big birds attacking you. The chipmunks are there. And when we say like copyright infringement, this is like ready player one levels of copyright infringement. There's literally dozens of things happening at once. All of which your throwback references. And that's kind of its gimmick. It's a fine arcade game.

I think the right lane is a little too dangerous. I think they should have spent a little more time polishing that. The entire thing is like I'm playing it. I'm like, all right, it's like my third. I'm down immediately. Yeah. Like I'm not even a house one yet. Bad city planning right there.

Yeah, but I started getting a feel for it. Like once I knew what to look for, I definitely got a little better at it. It's not a standout breakthrough game, but it's perfectly good and interesting. Yeah. So it's not Paperboy 1, but at least it's not Paper Boy 1. I would rather play this game than Paperboy 1. Paperboy 1 is a very memorable game, and I love the bicycle controller,

but I don't actually like to play it. It's okay The soundtrack though man Slats It's just too hard Flaps everybody It's hard in the wrong ways Yeah

Everything is trying to kill you Yeah Video kid What a weird concept Yeah yeah We're gonna throw VHS tapes It was not paper Just like they do

And do tricks You can however I do support the fact That you can also Put on a cookie monster skin In this game And be a skateboarding Cookie Monster

Oh okay sure Of course As you do As you do videotapes of people. I do like it's an improvement that you don't have limited ammunition. That was Paperboy's biggest weakness was that you can just throw all the time. Yeah. Pac-Man 256 you put on your list.

Isn't that weird? Yeah. So I didn't like Pac-Man 256 when it was a mobile game with all the free-to-play crap in it. Like I just, whatever. This is not. Why don't we take a really great idea for a video game and then ruin it? Yeah. See, for me, I thought it was okay because the paywall that they would hit you with, I was like this is the exact amount I wanted to play this game. Now I can stop. It was a good way for me to be like, all right, this in an hour or two, I'll come back to it maybe. Okay. Or not. Well, when I found myself surprised by, I was, there was a random PlayStation stale a couple of weeks ago. And it was

knocked down to like three bucks. So I just grabbed it on PS4. The cons support of that, which is admittedly an old game now. Um, really good. Uh, it's, it's got some problems. It's still got a little of the, that old mobile game DNA in it. It's not trying to get more money out of you at all. But some of the design choices that were made to make it a good mobile game make it not as good when they're just giving you everything in increments. It progression is just too slow on the weapons. There's some, there's a lot of, I'm learning. There's some genuine like fine-tuning went into that game. And as your ability change, as you level up your weapons and gain custom loadouts, there are a lot of different ways to approach that maze that have all been

anticipated by the designers and different play styles you can really hit it with. And they don't open those doors quickly enough outside the paywall system. But all that said, it's a surprisingly deep, very good arcade game that I really kind of missed the first time around that I'm glad I gave a second chance. I have been diving in for, it's just like, oh, one more run, one more run, one more run. And it's all about getting that high score and discovering that there's real skill-based improvement to be made in it. Didn't you play much of it? I played it on mobile a ton. Like it was one of my go-to airplane mobile games that it was just like I would play but then yeah once hit the paywall I was just like flip back over to turn it last I strongly encourage you uh if you're looking for something to just

eat a few hours away and dive into and and and get good at it's got that quality I'd see it's a very solid B like if it was on a report card it's a very solid B game full of creative ideas I'm sorry I miss this at the beginning what are you playing it on now please PS4 okay because that takes all the you talk about yeah you talk about the death of the microtransaction right right But the problem, the replacement system unfortunately still is too grindy. That's my main- Is there a platinum trophy and is it easy? I don't know. I guarantee it's not easy.

I don't even know if there are trophies. Is it a free to play game? No. Then it has trophies. Okay, don't worry. I'll get to the bottom of this, everybody. Okay. I was worried.

Thank God. But yeah, a game that turned me off before I'm having a lot of fun with now. Did you play it in? No, no, no. It's a good time. Oh, God, no. Oh, God, no. Cosmic Star Heroin.

Yeah. there we go. Cosmic Star Heroin is, do you any of all play this? No, I remember when it came out. I gave it a shot and I was like, no, I'm not a turn-based guy. Well, it is turn-based, but it's really creative turn-based. What they do, the juggle,

the way you have to use abilities in turn-based and constantly keep an eye on the action meter to, you can turn-base, you know, you struck the orc, the orc struck you for a little while, but what you did the game a little bit, if you play like that, you will lose. It's all about using the items.

It's all about using the shield effects. It's all about juggling your abilities around your party in each encounter. And things get really tense and harrowing. And I love it. So this game is a like think Octopath Traveler, but made by a very small team. And it's about Blade Runner Super Spies from the future. Kind of looks like an old Squarionics game would look or feel. It had been previewed forever.

Yeah. This was when we saw forever and ever and ever at Paxus. Yeah. I played on Steam originally. And it's by the guys that did Cthululis Saves the World. the Penny Arcade, the best of the Penny Arcade RPGs. Uh, yeah, the precipice of darkness.

They make really great stuff. And this is kind of their own IP or own project. It's good on Steam. I've been playing it now on Switch, and I really, really like it. If you're looking for a meaty RPG that's not very expensive

and will give you a lot to do. Do you like it more than you like Octopath? I know that, you know. I know. Ask me that in a week. Okay. Um, I don't like, I don't think I like it more than Octopath, but it's different enough that I really enjoy it. Siri, ask him again in a week.

I want to call out, of course, Pac-Man-256 has a bullshit trophy list, all right? Two gold, one silver, a bunch of bronzes for 10 total trophies? No platinum? No. Cairns. Cowards. By the way, I want to apologize to everyone for these red onion burps that have been attenued. They are horrible.

They are. They're not getting over here. They're just all going to you. There was a moment. I think it was when I was when I said, luminous where you can scroll back and see it where it happened and I like I was like am I gonna throw up right now Holy shit it's been going I've been drinking this Lecroy and they just kind of I get it dude the samurai gun two yeah all right so samurai gun two played packs with the developers came by and and got a little

time with that I've ran it on samurai gun before didn't you all play that just devalver right devolver's publishing I don't know who's publishing it I was just talking to the devs I actually don't know who's going to do the final publishing on this but Samurai Gun 2. The sequel to Samurai Gun, which is my favorite four-player couch competitive Smash Brothers type game of all time. Man, we got a party mode, man. Yeah, it's a spectacular game. You can understand what you're supposed to do in about 30 seconds, but it's redonculus deep.

And a very, very simple control scheme, quick to master, no unlocking crap, just straight in and play. Lightning, lightning fast gameplay. That's what makes it feel so wonderful. It's all about bouncing off each other, getting that, just that perfect hit, dropping down on somebody and surprising them. Limited resources per life. Double fine presents Samurai Gun. There you go. So it's, and I played, they're not releasing the new game until 2019.

It's perfectly situated for Switch. Everything they're changing for this one fixes what minor issues their were to fix in Samurai Gun, which was kind of near perfect anyway. The new abilities they've added add to the game without making it more complicated. They've added kind of a dash ability that uses the same ammo as your samurai gun does. And so you've got a kind of risk reward thing there or paper rock scissors that builds. Can't wait. I love the very minimal art style. Oh, it's great.

Yeah, the art's beautiful. So, yeah, I talked to them about maybe bringing it in for a party mode eventually. That sounds great. Greg, you played a bunch of Pax games. You want to save that for next week? I don't think I'm here next week. But it doesn't matter. Like, don't even worry about it.

I played a lot of good stuff at Pax. there's a lot of cool shit I want to make sure we do party modes with too because there's a lot of really really cool stuff happening as usual in the indie scene all sorts of cool stuff things happen Nick Scarpito is it that time it's that time oh my gosh you're gonna sing for us I think he doesn't need to sing yeah we have a song number one and then I gave Nick permission to give us his rendition of the song he's never heard because he doesn't watch the show great great great I did not give you permission Andy Cortez in the game's journalism I'd prefer it if you stay in your way Game's a bullshit.

Here he comes. All right, Nick. Nick, you guys in his first mobile game or bullshit. Again, I'm undefeated. I want you to know that. I've never lost it mobile game or bullshit. I've only won once. Nick rolling down.

You've got a lot of challenges. Nick rolls his eyes at that statement. Cool, right. I scoff at it. All right. I scoff at that statement. Cough at you. Nick, hit us with the theme song for mobile game or Atari 2600 game.

Is that what it is? Yep. Mighty Mobile Game or Atari 600 2600 That's a callback because you mentioned that earlier That's how comedy works guys Keep saying until someone laughs Then walk away slowly

Jared what we do today All right what we're doing today's mobile game Or Atari 2,600 game Because we have four contestants We are actually going to do seven, not five But seven different games I actually have a list of over 20 in front of me Because I was still finishing mobile game

bullshit when I got the text from Tim that's like hey, where are you? And it's like, I'm sorry, supposed to be here at three. He's like, oh. So then I got here. Yep. So I burped onions all over in for the whole show. Take up for that. All right. So what you're going to do is very simply say, if this is a mobile game or an Atari 2600. That's not how you play the game. No face of your head, brother. Just the names to go all the way around. And I think, yeah. I have a question as the champion. Is there

going to be one that's both or is it? Not this time. I had a both, but I'm going to simplify it. Joey, get my belt. Joey, get in the belt. You're off camera. Damn it. Don't worry. That won't stop the champ. All right. Get my belt. Say please.

Number one, mobile game or Atari's 2600 game. We're going to start with Nick. We're going to go around the table this way to Tim. Okay. Start with the best. Yeah. Big birds egg catch. Big birds egg catch.

Yes. Is that a mobile game or an Atari 26th? Mobile game. All right. Greg Miller. Hold on. I'm sorry. Mobile game.

No, that was me putting Nick down his mobile. I'm saying it's an Atari game. Okay. I'm blowing an Atari game as well. Atari game? I'm going mobile. Mobile game. Number two, Pepsi Invaders.

Jesus. Tim. I don't like it. Pepsi Invaders. I'm going mobile game. Mobile game. I'm going mobile game as well. I'm going to go Atari game.

Atari game. I'm also going to go Atari game. Pepsi doesn't have the kind of money to develop a mobile game right now. Tim would have put that in the bullshit category. Yeah. All right. Nick Scarpino. God damn it.

Number three. Your belts is going to see. sit here by yourself now? By itself? Without the champ? You ready? What is this? What did I bring down upon us?

Oh no. Yeah, hit me with the J-Rodry. Hit me with the J-Rock. A-hoge-chanbarra. Ah-Han-Bara. Yeah, chan-bara. Chanbara? Because there's two different meanings.

Mobile game. Mobile game. Great. I am saying mobile game as well. Mobile game. I too. I'm saying mobile game. Mobile game.

Mobile game. Mobile game. Everybody's saying mobile game for a... Wow. Number four, Tim Geddes. Yes. Snoopy and the Red Baron. Mobile game.

Mobile game. Atari 2,600. Atari 2600 game. Greg Miller. Mobile game. Mobile game. I'm also going to go Atari on this. Atari 2,600 game.

Number six. Five? No, wait, is this five? Yeah, sorry, I don't have them labeled like normal. All right. Number five. Oh, wait, whoa. What's this?

Gary Witt is here for the comic show. The show's gone to one. I'm out of them. I'm allege this is yet another opportunity for me to beat Greg and Tim, please continue. You got it. Nick Scarpino. Yes. Chuck Nortus Super Kicks.

Oh, that's got to be an Atari 2,600 game. Atari, 2600 game. Yep. Oh, fuck me running. I'm going to say that is a mobile game. What was it called again? Chuck Norris Superkicks. I hope that's a mobile game.

That's something I can play right now. That has to be a mobile game. All right? Mobile game. Number six here. 1962. Communist mutants from space. Tim.

Shit. I'm going, oh, what? I'm going mobile. Mobile game. Mobile game. Mobile game. Mobile game? Mobile game.

Mobile game. Wow. When Atari was happening, we weren't joking around about communist. That was the 80s man. It'd be like right now the fucking PlayStation's publishing and Al-Qaeda presents the death of freedom.

You know what I mean? It's not going out. Let's all go to North Korea. pool. All right. And number seven. Next car people. Yeah.

This planet sucks. This planet sucks. Mobile game. I'm going to see mobile game as well. Mobile game. Me too. All right. Mobile mobile.

Here we go. All right. We're going to go down this list here now. Greg Miller, number one was Big Bird's Egg Catch. Correct. For the Atari 2600. God dang it. Thank you.

Andy and I are on the board. Not to be confused with Cookie Monster Munch. Also for the Atari 2600. Yes, indeed. Of course not. I could that possibly be confusing. All right. So what's the score right now?

That is one for Greg, one for Andy. Zero for the rest of y'all. Number two, Pepsi Invaders. Designed for a trade show. Pepsi Invaders is an Atari 2,600 cartridge for the Coca-Cola Corporation commissioned to replace the space invaders with the words Pepsi across the screen. And people on the floor could shoot Pepsi off the screen. That's cool. That's a good idea.

That's a good idea. That gives a point, another point to me, and the first point to Nick, that makes it at two Greg, zero Tim, one Andy, one Nick. Okay. Sorry, one for the champ. Number three, Ahokai Chambara, from M2 at Masters of Emulation, an original mobile game. That's all right. Everybody gets a point there. Everybody said mobile.

I figured somebody would figure I was trying to throw you off with the Japanese thing. No. The 2600 did come out in Japan as the Atari 28. Yeah. The scores right now, Greg 3, Tim 1. Andy two with the champ two. Greg, you haven't missed one yet. I have not.

Could I be on point to another perfect game? You might be able to. You also might lose. Number four. Snoopy and the Red Baron. One of my favorite. Atari Twis is 2600. What does that make the score, Greg?

That makes it a three-way tie between me, Andy, Nick, with three points, team with one. Still the worst mobile gamer bullshit player we've ever had. Why was so bad at this? I don't know. You're like getting in your own head. yourself out. It's ridiculous. Like a Japanese title. It's got to be American. Man, I I'm not winning. If I'm gonna be here, we could have pulled him on too. Oh man. Number five, Chuck Norris sidekicks.

Ugh, I think I've, I think I... For the Atari 26th. Oh my God! I hate it! And Greg, I believe that makes me win because no matter what. That is a T. K.O. There's no way to stop Nick Scarfino. He just came in and won with four points. I hate it. We said mobile for all the next games. All the next games are mobile games. fuck. So what were the last two? You had communist mutants or something. Communist Mutants for the Atari 2600.

We all got that wrong. Yeah. For the Atari 2600. And then this planet sucks. For the Atari 2600? We said mobile on all those. One of my favorite 2600 games. So there you go. Nick with four wins. I can't, I hate him.

I can't believe it, dude. My first loss says this comes to the champ. Nick Scarpino. Look at that. I should bring one of my 2600 parts in for you to sign and ship out for 50 bucks this This is fucking bullshit, dude. And that's another game of

Mobile Gamer bullshit. It's a mobile gamer bullshit. It's mighty marble gamer bullshit. Congratulations. Congrats, Nick. He walks in like he owns the place. Okay. Damn it.

Ladies and gentlemen, this has been a beautiful episode of the Kind of Funny Gamescast. Thank you very much for joining us. Stay tuned for the post show. It's the worst. Until then, I love. you fucking hate him