Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Early E3 Predictions - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 114

Episode Date: April 7, 2017

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Blue Apron. Better way to cook. What's up guys? Welcome to the first ever episode 114 of the kind of funny games cast. As always, I'm Tim Geddy's joined by one half. The coolest dudes in video games, Greg Miller. It's me. I put stuff in my hair because I already had the stuff in my hair.

I noticed recently in the morning shows, I'm just getting too laze fair about it. I'm just coming in, the hair's doing whatever. It's too fluffy. I need to cut it, but I need to let it go a little bit longer. What's in it? What are you using? What are you using the garnier fruice. Ooh, the futees.

Do you see something of that when you then? No, the old Garnier fructice ads. Oh, the diamonds. The name's, diamonds and guns is the name of the song. A little fructice made its way into the ear into the ear can have. Diamonds and Guns by the transplants. Is this really the song? I'm going to download this song.

I bought that album. Because of the Garnier Fruit T's heads? No, because they had a song featured on Tony Hawk's Underground called California Babylon. Now here's my next. That heard the Garnier Fruit T song in. I'm like, holy shit. Here's my next question about shampoos. You don't remember.

He's too young. And we'll introduce you in a second. It doesn't matter till it. It doesn't matter till we get there. It was herbal essence, right? That was the one where the girls would act like they'd have an orgasm. Absolutely. Just making sure.

Of course. And they would be underneath like a waterfall. Yes. Yes. They're always like doing their hair and like the airport. bathroom or some weird thing. And the husband would look in and like, well, what's going on? You're like, what's fucking my wife? Oh, it's just the shampoo. Okay. It's all, it's all good. And joining us for the first time, Patreon supporter himself, Tom Bach. Hello everybody. Hello,

hello. Hello, Tom Bach. Thank you so much. You of course supported us in the Patreon level over at patreon.com, such kind of funny games to come on the show. You've been supporting us a long time. That's the thing. You've been supporting us for a very long time. We've done multiple Google hangouts with you over the years. It's been fantastic. Yeah. In fact, I think I was looking back. I think it was February of 2015-ish. Was that the original Patreon? I think that was really close. Yeah, yeah, January 2015 is when we launched kind of funny games. Yeah. Yeah, I followed you guys at IGN, of course, like most people did and thought you were insanely crazy to leave at the time. We were still are. Yep. Yeah, yeah, that's true. I was at my 10-year anniversary in Cabo. I've never

forget telling my wife the entire story. Wait, wait, wait, wait, you're on your 10th, your decade anniversary in Cabo. You're on your decade anniversary in Cabo. And talking about kind of funny. And your pillow talk is, hey, honey, these morons left a great video game job. My lovely wife, Anna, yes. No, we were having lunch and we were just talking about, you know, what's coming in the future, talking about job stuff. And I remember telling her the whole story. Like, there's these guys I was going to watch and they went off on their own. I have no idea what they're thinking. Like, is this an actual business they can go do? And at the time, I think, I don't know, it was $20 a month or $15 a month on Patreon and had no idea at the time what it was going to be.

And I'm assuming she plays games. She was all over this. She wanted to get in. Not so much. No, not her thing. Probably looks at me and like, what in the world is a grown man do and playing a game? I'll make my own money, woman. I'll do what I won't.

I'm going to buy this huge TV and spend this. So I'm like the guy that has, and this is super embarrassing. But I probably have a strategy guide for every single game that I own. Like, I'm that guy. Okay. Wait, still. Like now, in 2017? scene.

Still. Now they look like such nice nice coffee table books. Well, some of them. Dude, there's some nice nice

amazing ones. Like I just got the Andromeda. It's like a nice hardback one. The horizon ones. Like there's some really nice ones.

And not because I want to skip ahead and figure stuff out, but I'm super interested in sort of what, what are the developers intend to do? And I usually don't look at them until the game's done with. Yeah. But yeah, it's,

I think my wife's embarrassed to have people come to the house. I was going to say, what does she think of that collection. No, she does not like the collection. So I've got a room in the house. It's got all the games. It's got like,

it's obscene amount of strategy guides. I'll have to take a picture of it. I never have to have a thing for strategy guides. Dude, it's crazy. So I will, I will send a picture out. Please do.

Kevin will put it in. It's frightening. If you can get it, I guess, in the next like 24 hours. I think, I think I'm opening myself up to some huge criticism with it. But it's,

like, I'm super interested in it. Like, I don't know. It's my thing. Like, I almost, when I go by,

and I'm still sort of a hard copy game guy. So like, I'll get it on Amazon and get the discount, which is fantastic, right? And I always end up getting the strategy, like every single, but if I have a strategy guide, I get really, so then here's my question for how you play games then. Are you, do you have a backlog, which that means you have a backlog of strategy guides. That's like very meta. Right. You have the game still sealed in the wrap and then you have the strategy guys still sealed in the rap. I do because I get them together. I always get them together.

Like I very rarely will get a game and then two months later go, you know, I kind of want to get the strategy guide and I actually show my wife oftentimes. the strategy guides are insane. Have you ever opened these oldest strategy guide? It's like an encyclopedia. The Pokemon ones these days are insane too. I mean, I remember back in the day, like I was addicted to something,

Nintendo Power was like my Bible, and they would have the players guides. And like they treated the players guides, which was Nintendo strategy guideline. They treated them as kind of extensions of the magazine. So I would buy these strategy guides for games that I didn't even have just because I liked the presentation of it.

I wanted a collection and all that. And then when it kind of, when I got into the Final Fantasy games, I remember the Fallen Fantasy 10 one from Brady games. It was like that thick. It's like this Bible. They're crazy. And I loved them and the Pokemon ones I was all about.

Sure. And that was the thing is I think, sorry, you want them for the insight into the game and what the devil wanted to do. I very rarely do them because I want to get everything. Yeah. Right. There's the internet for that too.

Exactly. And YouTube. How to get through this. Cool. Right. Exactly. No, it's more just for the,

to see what the whole, I mean, you guys know, I mean, these games take three, four years to develop and I'm really interested in sort of that the process and what this thing comes out is at the end. So I don't

do it to kind of sneak ways to the game and find quicker ways. It's more usually after. I always think about the time Michael O'Brien gave me and like, because he got so mad at me once because I was at a blockbuster going out of business sale and I passed on buying Ocarina a Time gold cart and they had for like five bucks. And I was like,

now I'm good. And he's like, you're an idiot. You have to play this. And he gave me his cartridge and he gave me the strategy guide because he's like there's just so much to do in this game. You'll never find it all. You need. to go see what's happening. I mean, I remember when Best Buy, every once in a while would do, like, at the end of the year, they'd try to get rid of all the strategy guides that nobody bought.

And so they would have sales with a penny each. Right. I remember just buying a whole bunch of them for games. I was like, I might get this one day. And I just want to have it. Well, there's always, they're always cool as art books, too. They are. Some of them are really nice.

Like, a lot of them will do some kind of artwork in the back or whatever. I mean, like the Skyrim one, that thing is, it's out. It is. It's amazing that there's that much content in a game that you could write a book. I mean, that's like a whole separate development just to do the book. Oh, it totally is. Right?

Who are these people who do these books? Who are these people? Who are these people? But seriously, who are they sitting down with the developers? Col Moriarty. Yeah, I have, on my bookshelf at home, I do have my smash brother's N64 guide signed by the author, Craig Harris,

that I'm always super stoked to have. Craig Harris wrote the smash guide. There's a smash. That's a weird one to do a guide for. I guess the powers. There's a lot of, there's a lot of things. Right? How you can do moves?

What are you going to do that? I have that guide still. I have my Superman 64 guide. I remember, I think the last guide I bought was Metal Gear Solid 4 because it was like, end of an era. This is it for Snake. It came in. It was hard cover.

It was an art book. It had Kajima stories in it. It was like, that's fucking dope. Yeah. It is a whole, not that I read them all cover to cover, obviously, but it's, I don't know, super interesting. So I'll send a picture. It'll embarrass me.

I'm sure to see. So the thousands of dollars I've spent on strategy guides that sit in a bookshelf. You were talking about your, you know, the wife's right, you know, shoved you in a room. That's where it's all got to stay. And the kids come in, though. So I've got two kids. Okay. Are they a lot to play games?

Sure. Yeah. So I have an 11 year old and a 7 year old. Oh, okay. And two girls. Oh, nice. Lila. Yeah.

Fantastic. And they, they, they're still doing a lot of like the Robloxie kind of stuff, right? So they do a lot of them if you guys know much about some roadblocksy is. Like some Leaprog crap. No, no. They're like leapfrog crap. that was always the worst right I'm like oh my kids playing games

oh what leap for I'm like get the fuck out of here no no no they're like so they're like online Minecraft basically so they're browser based where they can set up different trials to do different things so it's kind of cool like people will come in and invent stuff and so they're really into that kind of stuff

that's neat that's neat they're also huge into watching which is insane they watch so many YouTube videos of Witches? Which is insane? No which is no which is insane Oh which is insane Oh my kids are witches

We've been in love sort of alt I have my neat nerd room my wife has her witch room The witch room Caldraining her brooms up on the wall Raises the kids as witches No they

They log so many hours Watching the Minecraft videos And stuff like that Just endless But they're both gamers Lego games Which are great to play with kids Right so we've got

So the kids playing with Legos though Like real Legos They do yeah They're both big Lego players Are they new Lego dimensions They do we've done So much We've just got the new

Batman Lego dimensions From a new movie and stuff which we still haven't built all of it yet, but they're both gamers. I'm sure as every parent will, who's a gamer will admit, there's some stuff I'm sure they've seen me do that I probably think back and go, should they have watched teenagers? Decapitate this thing. Fuck this woman for health orbs. It's got a war.

What do you want me to do? In a funny way, like my youngest is she's, she really is desensitized to it. Like the separation of it, she knows it's not real and it doesn't even affect her. Like she'd just like, yeah, whatever. But like Resident Evil, they were watching them. Like, I probably shouldn't be let me watch too much. Put on the VR headset, honey. Yeah.

Yeah. And they do. They'll do VR. They love it. They'll get all kind of into just, you know, some of the, have you guys seen like the new YouTube VR stuff? Have you seen any of that? I've not tried it.

No. So you can do videos now. And there's on the PlayStation browser? On the PSVR through the YouTube app. Okay. They have a whole section of, and some of these are insane. Like someone jumping off the Dubai tower filming it. Oh, no.

Right? And it's, it's a regular video that you would. would just watch on YouTube as any other video, but it's in full VR, it's crazy. Have you watched the VR porn yet? I have not watched any. I did that. I did that. Did you really? Yeah, it's disturbing.

I don't, I don't, there's certain, yeah, I don't think. It's like IMAX, it's fun. It's like IMACs, except you're paralyzed with someone on top of you. And then, like, when they get up close, the perspective is all weird. Their forehead looks like an IMAX scream. So is this. And that's what I'm looking at in porn. I'm judging your forehead.

That's what I want to know. That can't lead anywhere good, can it? I mean, there's, there's things for VR, but that's, that's not. I get that that's the logical thing people would think, but man, that's, I don't, I don't, I don't want that. I mean, that's where that, VR will either succeed or fail based on porn. Like, they need to figure out a way to make in DVD and every single. Yeah, yeah. Every technological of that thing, yeah, porn touches, yeah.

Well, maybe just, maybe like the watching, like the watching part of porn, which is porn, but the, uh, the YouTube video example, maybe that's where, rather than you being in it, like, I don't think I want to be in. in VR porn. Maybe the watching part of VR porn is where it... So when you're jumping off the tower, you're not in the first person perspective? No, you absolutely are. You're 100% the guy.

Like, you can see your wings. You can, you gotta go, it's really pretty compelling, strange. They launched it about a month ago. Yeah, I remember hearing that they were doing it, but I haven't had a chance to kick over. I still haven't played that Ghostbusters VR game. I had no idea.

I haven't played the Tim Schaefer one either. What is the... Oh, Rombus of Ruin? Yeah, Rombus Rune. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's longer than I thought it would be. I haven't played the final version.

I've just played preview things of it. Yeah. And I'm, it's interesting that it's as long as it is. I love that they did that, by the way. That was a perfect thing for them. Yeah.

I can't wait to check it out. Well, I mean, that's, you know, when we had Tim on at launch to talk about it, that's what I love about Double Fine

is that they will take those chances and they will make connect games and they will do all this good crap. Even if it's not got a huge payoff. It's a thing that community and the fans want, right? No, but there's ones of you running like with elephant. I mean,

you should definitely, it's a little strange use of VR, but it's, I was thinking about the places you're going to be able to, the good stuff that VR can bring, whether it's, you can visit places in the world you've never even thought about visiting in a way that is not looking at a picture, right?

Go to the Taj Mahal and walk around. Go to Niagara Falls and walk around. There's some really cool stuff that they're going to be able to hopefully eventually get to do. This is all stuff we talked about at the launch of it, right? When Colin was like the real applications are outside of gaming. Way outside of it. And like, I feel like that's a huge,

if Sony this year, and I know we're going to talk about E3, eventually, but if Sony at this year's E3 doesn't have it, put on your PlayStation VR headset and be in the front row and be backstage and be in the wing and do all the same stuff. If they don't have that, it's like, well, what the fuck you guys doing?

Like, that's an easy thing, that you've had a long time to work on. I never connected that dot. That would be amazing to have come to see. And that's the whole thing of like, how do you make you, how do you make you make your presentation, you know, something that nobody else can do

and that's one of the ones. Now here's my question though, before we get off of you just being a family man having this stuff. So the wife doesn't play games. She'll play games. She'll play Overcooked. Oh, okay.

Yeah, of course. And we'll fight like cats and dogs because the kids love to troll. So they are as kids will be. They're giving bad advice. You know the raccoon in the wheelchair? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Let something catch on fire.

Raccoon, wheelchair, fire extinguisher. Spin around. Oldest daughter just laugh her ass off, trolling. And eventually we all get frustrated and leave. Yeah. Okay, good. Good quality family time. Quality family time.

Good job. But she will play overcooked, so that's good. But the rest of it, she'll watch a little bit, watch his Tomb Raider a little bit. How does she feel then? about like the love of her life, the father of her children being obsessed with video games and spending so much on strategy guys. Oh my God. If we pinned her down like truth serumed her, I don't know that I want to hear that answer necessarily. You love me, honey, don't you? Yeah. So what does she think about this then? Because this is another level of video game geekdom of like, no, no, I like these idiots

so much that I'm going to continue to give them money and then come on their show and just talking. Yeah, yeah. Well, she knows that I have sort of like the secret. Look, I've been, I've worked in IT industry work for a big IT company, been there for 25 years, great company, et cetera, et cetera. She knows my secret dream is to do something in this industry. I would love to do something. I don't know what it would be, given my background and what I've done, but she knows this is kind of my passion and my thing.

And so I think because it's hopefully non-destructive, there's nothing bad that comes out of it other than me spending probably far too much money and time, what I could be doing other things. She totally supports it. Okay. Right? Because she knows that like, geez, I would love to find something to do in this industry that would be a passion of mine to go do it.

So she's cool with it. But yeah, I think she probably thinks it's, well, I mean, you guys, I mean, obviously, gaming in general, that's why I kind of love about the generation. So I grew up with like the Intellivision. You guys remember in television way back when? I've read about it history. We've read about a history book.

It's an actual thing that exists. I think that was our, that was in 1980, I want to say, right? So I've been a gamer my whole life and kind of gone through all the consoles and done all the kind of stuff, you know, Atari's and all of that is, so many people are now old enough. Obviously, you see the uncharted in these really deep stories. It's just a cool time to be a little bit older

and see where this industry can go and where it has gone and the types of things that it's... So I think she knows that stuff exists. I mean, she just looks at it again, the thickness of these guys like, wow, this isn't a bunch of teens shooting each other and Call of Duty

and it's like this hollow thing. But that exists too. And she's aware of that. But I think she separates and like we all do, right? I'm a little bit younger than you, not by much. But that is the thing of where I do count myself blessed that I've been, that I've been in video games since, you know, Sega Master System, but NES was there too.

I knew what it was. So I do have that timeline, that context for where this all started and where it all went. And the fact that, you know, I did get to a point where I remember, like, I'm going to fall out of games. And it wasn't because here's metal gear and like, oh my God, this is what it's going to be. And to stop and think about your children now growing up and only knowing that world.

And only knowing that this is what it can be. To think about the games they're going to make when you talk to, Neil Druckman who talks about the, you know, the eight big games that inspired him. Right, right. Unbelievably complex storytelling and all the stuff that games can be. Yeah, so I think, I think from that standpoint, the, there's, I think, for all, and there is still that younger element, too, that is really pervasive and still always going to be there. Sure. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Games are always, and I mean, that's the whole thing where people are like, we need to change the name of this. It needs to be interactive entertainment or something to get away from games, because games does imply a waste of time. I'm going to be, it's just a dumb kid's thing, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I know, totally. video games are always going to attract a younger audience, but then there is now such a breath of them. And like I always talk about the silly putty, that there's a game for every mood you're in.

There is. And games mean so much. And what's cool for me is like growing up in it, I, you know, I was born in 89, which means that the first system that I really kind of had was the Super Nintendo at the tail end.

And then N64 was like, I was five when it came out. I graduated college in 90. But, but, but I was, I was in 1990 when you were graduating, I was finishing first grade, right?

Kindergarten, first grade? Yeah, first grade. There you go. There you go. We got generations here. I feel really bad too for you that, you know, you were born 89, so you missed Ghostbusters too in theaters. Yeah, I guess that was.

It was okay, though. My fifth birthday was Power Rangers. You made it through. You made it through. You made it through. It was fine. But you know what's weird, though, I will say one thing, not to interrupt you, but the, I, in what I do now with other, you know, 40-something men is there are definitely times I don't

admit to being a gamer. Really? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you guys kind of live in this world, right? So it's not. We're in a bubble, man. Totally.

So you don't, I mean, so there's lots of stuff. I mean, I'm sure there's people I work with now that would be, I mean, say they're offended is not the right word, but just be like, really? Games? Yeah. You're a vice president at a big IT company and you're going to, that's what you do. Right. Right.

Well, so many people, I always talk about it, right, that so many people's education on game stops at Mario. They play that and they're like, oh, that's, or call of duty. And that's not for me, right. Yeah, yeah. For the bro. Yeah, exactly. The bro-shooter.

It's the shooting each other mindlessly violent. The stuff they've seen on Capitol Hill, when people have gotten into trouble for different, they don't know the horizons. They don't see it. There's such a big scope of everything. What I was saying the second ago is that I kind of grew up with this place where Super Nintendo and N-64 were my first real gamings.

But because of that, that allowed me to go to garage sales and hang out with Kevin and get the NES and buy for $18 a box full of a bazillion different games. That's a great point to catch up on. kind of like just binge through all these experiences. And then to read grow up reading magazines and realize that I love video games as a culture more so than just a like, oh, there's like the way that I enjoy movies, right?

They come out and I watch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love movies. Movies unfair too because I'm also in that. But with games, I fell in love with the history of it, the future of it, the, the, the entire industry. And then it allowed me to do, even though I didn't grow up playing Metroid, I went back and played Metroid

and I completely see the completely saw and fell in love with it in a way that I'm like, okay, cool. Like I get where the Collins of the world come from. Sure. That's a fascinating point. You're living the dream I always think of, I always think of, man,

wouldn't it be great to time travel, to jump ahead seven years and watch all of the DC cinematic universe just to see how it came out and I have to wait for these movies. But it's the same thing for games. What is sucker punch working on? What's Death Stranding like?

And the point I'm making is your kids growing up, Like, yeah, they're playing the Legos, and that's what the games are to them. But I do feel like all the major publishers, specifically Nintendo and PlayStation and Xbox to an extent. Actually, no, Xbox is killing it as well. In making sure that all of their iconic games are, like, this is where all these remasters and stuff. And while we all don't like it now, we hate the ports and all that stuff, overall, in terms of, like, it's an easy talk. If it's a cash-grabby kind of way. Yeah.

But, like, I do think that with things like virtual console being ubiquitous. and the fact that PSN has so many different games and a lot of them being PS1 classics and all that. The fact that these kids growing up, if they do hit that point of, I'm just going to play what's given to me and go from there, cool, that's your way to enjoy video games.

But for the people that grow up, they're like, I love this. I want to know the history of it. What is the most important game of all time? What games do I need to play to know where things came from? Because all of it is iterative, right? Kevin and I were talking earlier about how Horizon in particular the bar that it has set is so big, right, that it's either a great thing for the industry

because now people are going to kind of see that and compare to that and aspire to that. But it's also potentially really dangerous because think of the development dollars, time, effort that have to go into topping a game like Horizon. I mean, this puts developers in a really, so to go back and see that history and how it's all built, none of it would be here without what came before it. Yeah, sure. All of it is. built on that thing. And so it's cool. I'd love to be able to go do that.

Because if you're there for the ride, you don't, you don't see the forest for the trees. You don't see the forest the trees. Yeah, exactly. And what's cool too is it gives you, everybody has their own perspective and they're allowed. Yeah, they're allowed to, yeah, they're allowed to kind of see, see it through the lens of knowing it's important, knowing that it's not going to hold up as well as the new version that you're familiar with now and all that, right? Like when it comes to like thinking of Zelda, for example, right? There are kids now, they're going to grow up with Breath of Wild and that is what they think.

That's their Zelda. Can you imagine that being like your fur, right? In the same way that, Aquarina. Oh, I'm sorry. Go for it. No,

this is when we're hanging out with Craig, a stuttering Craig from screw attack. And he talked about how, yeah, he's, his daughter now, he's taking through the games and he sat down and they played

Legend of Zelda and they were enjoying it. And then like, do you want to take my kids back to some of that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And he wants that. And he popped that and her head like exploded. Yeah. And he killed his daughter. And he had a barrier and then he hired a new daughter. in this. We've all been there. We've all done that.

But you know, I hadn't thought about that is going, that's one thing with my kids is besides maybe occasionally diving into some of the stuff that may be on virtual console or like I was playing Metroid the other day, which is still phenomenal. Super Metroid or is Metroid? Super Metroid. I haven't taken them back through some of those.

I'd love to, you know, because they're watching me do Zelda now. But like you said, if that's all they're going to know, that's a crazy jumping in point to think of, right? Here's my next question for you. As grown-up gamer.

Yes. And I think that's what this topic is going to come. The grown-up gamer. I should probably, that should be a Twitter hand, a grown-up gamer. With your kids watching, do they sit there and just watch for hours on end? Do they, is it 15-minute increments? They're popping in, popping out for it. Do they want the controller?

Are they being annoying? Because I'm in love with this French-Canadian girl, and I'm probably one day going to have a kid with her hell. I love her so much. Are you speaking any yet? Are you picking any of? Yes. I speak. I had like 15 years of French, so I can help you.

Oh, wow. Okay. But anyways, they've changed over time, actually. So it started where we would do a lot of like the Skylanders stuff, right? So I've, good Lord, I've probably got more Skylanders toys than I would ever want to claim that I've got. Do they still like Skylanders? They don't, as of the last one, no. I think they kind of wore out a little bit.

Gotcha. But they would put in dozens and dozens of hours into Skylanders, for sure. The Lego games absolutely like, I mean, we don't trophy hunt for Platyms, but we've put hundreds of hours, sorry. Some I do. They absolutely have put, and their attention spans are long. As they've gotten older and a little more scattered, it probably is more 30 minute increments. They'll jump in, they'll jump out. They'll do things a little more sporadic.

But they'll sit and watch. I mean, my youngest daughter, Lila, will watch Horizon as long as I'll play it. I mean, PS4 Pro Horizon is like a religious experience, just looking at graph. I mean, that thing is, it's sickening. Yeah, I mean, well, speaking of that, we were talking about this a little bit earlier. So you have the LG OLED E6 series TV. I have the C6 series. Same panel, by the way.

I don't know if you know that. Same panel. So it's good. You got ripped off with E6. It's just the sound bar. It's just the difference. But I mean, this is one of those things where it's like out of all the, the items that I've bought in the last like 30 years of my life, not even.

I'm not even 30. But like this is how good this damn TV is. Wow. Oh, it's that. It is. It is the curve one you have. Yes. It is.

And it's only curve because that's the only one. Mine's the flat. It's all. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. There's the B6, C6, E6, G6. All of them are fantastic.

And they're the type of TV that you dream of. And when you see it, you're just like, holy shit. So I didn't know, because the pro launch was so bizarre, I watched you guys the day you did the pro launch, right? And it was such a shit show, right? It was like you couldn't explain it over the, I mean, it was just bad, right? So I was really hesitant on the pro. Yeah.

Insane. Really? To have a pro on that TV. I can't even imagine going back now. And I'm a multi-consul guy, right? So I usually choose which console I play on based on some really simple. So I was an Xbox guy last generation really because of the controller. Like just like the controller a little bit better.

It was not, I'm not a fanboy. I just like games broadly, right? This generation was started off PlayStation. And then I went back to Xbox solely because of the external hard drive. Because I got so tired of juggling stuff on and off of hard drive. Sure. And a lot of these patches, I mean, they're like 18 gig to reinstall a game. And you'd sit for however long.

And now, thank God, they've gone external hard drive support. So now I'm back fully PS4 Pro. It's, I will literally only buy games now. It feels like that that thing. It's, it is so, you've got one. Yeah, the pro. Yeah, yeah. Sony sent us one for a review and stuff like that.

And I've just been, it has been my go to. I had no idea how, how different it was, like to see how I thought a little, I mean, I'm not a big graphics guy as far as like, that's, like, that's going to make the game. But man, it is, again, religious experience good for some games in HDR is just like, I'll stop and just watch. Yep. And that's my thing is with it is in terms of playing the games, I've never really noticed enough to even really talk about it that much on Gamescast of like, holy shit, this is a game changer. Because it's more just like, wow, this is really, really pretty. For me, it's Horizon and Ratchet and Clank. And I would even put Ratchet and Clank above.

It's unreal. Some of the particle effects. in that game or unreal. Like I was showing Kevin it and like even just spinning the camera around and looking it all. Right. It was like I remember playing Routching Clank on PS2 and being like this, this looks like a Pixar movie, you know? And they had a, I mean, they had a hard time conveying that, right?

I'm, Sony obviously knew that when they were launching this thing and I'm sure Mark Sernier or whoever else was like, if people could just see this at what we're trying to do here, it, I mean, to me, it's, I was telling Kevin earlier, like there's times in Horizon where I will, because that world is so alive that I'll just get up to the top of, I don't know if you guys have done this, like get up the top of a mountain and just watch the dynamic. Sure. The weather.

Yeah, yeah. The monsters kind of fighting one another. The storm birds. I mean, like what other game can, I mean, or, or you sit there and just watch this world kind of play out in front of you, right? It's, it's phenomenal. Yeah. I don't know.

It's the, the, the PS4 pro is so interesting to me because for those moments, I feel like they're so not gameplay related. That's right. And not even just with the game in terms of, they don't really enhance the game at all. It's when you stop and you're trying to show off to your friends. Like for me, it's more like, oh, my friends are coming over. I'm going to show them this thing and be like, can you imagine games look like this? Oh, yeah.

It's way less. It's way quiet. Why I put your hand in your hip like that when you say that. I don't know. I'm playing. I'm playing your friend. I do it. I do it.

But they really like it, though, because like, oh, my God, this shit looks so good. Yeah. But my thing is, I like it more when it does the performance enhancing stuff, like with the, when games have that better frame rate and stuff like that. So they're doing a lot of that, too. There's a lot of these patches coming out. Have you guys seen any of that? Like on the old,

old, on the regular PS4, have you guys seen any of these enhanced burst boost modes? Have you seen? I haven't, I heard about them. Yeah, that's the thing.

I've heard about him and I haven't caught them. I don't look, I'm not a patch notes guy, right? Like I turn on it. It's all, you're going to physically seen them. Like,

have you done any of those? Because a few games, I think, came out with a new. There's so, the thing that games nowadays is you're so used to updating the games. Right.

That it's just like, that's just part of playing a game now. Yeah, yeah. They're like, you don't know whether or not which patch it is or whatever. So, but for me, for on playing with the pro, when there is those things, most of them I don't notice. And like, that's just thing. It's like really, it's like, like Zelda with the jump button. Did you see?

You can move the jump button now. Did you see that? You could do that from the last night. I'm like, I said it. Yeah. Yeah. I saw it last night when I, because it updated it. I was trying to update it on the plane.

I'm like, oh no, don't lock me out of the game. And I saw it said, you can move the jump button to the bottom button. I didn't know. I'm pretty sure the Zelda update. I had no idea that was there. Yeah. I don't like, I'm not a wide jump button guy. Oh, no, that's because it's bullshit, of course.

But that was one of the things I was so impressed with where I was like, oh, motion curves, oh, a jump button. And I hit control. It's like, do you not want this shit turn up? I'm great, thanks. Because now trying to relearn that? I fucking run with the stick, but no big deal. It sucks to relearn that after 40 hours of using them like, fuck.

Then you play another game, you try to climb every wall. And it's like, oh. The amount of people who have tweeted, I've seen tweets of like them trying to jump in a triangle on that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, man.

Anyways. Anyway. So, I think the wife's cool with stuff. Yeah. That's what I started from. So that topic.

Hopefully. This topic is, my work community probably not as much. Are you going to show them this video? You know, it's funny,

I thought about it. I don't know. It depends on who the person is, right? Depends on sort of where I think the reaction would be. I don't think the company would care,

but they're, it's still got a little bit of a stigma stigma to it, right? Just kind of like a, again, again, you guys are a little bit in the boat. Totally.

100%? 100%. Again, And this is like the, you're like, now I work in the real world, sir. No, no, no, no, no. I don't mean it like that. No, I don't mean it like that's kind of my dream to go do that. Like, you know, go to like shoe and people at Microsoft or in Greenberg.

I mean, that's those, they're living their dream. They're working for a big company, but also doing something in the industry. So there's plenty of adult jobs in the industry. Yeah, yeah. But there's still a ton of people. Like if you asked the, like you were talking earlier, I think on the, on the morning show about, like, what would your grandparents think of some of this stuff, right? There's still that group of people that will never get past games being a,

Sure. Childish. Well, that's why I was so, I mean, don't get me wrong. My mom, my mom understands what games through me and what we do, all of that different stuff or whatever. But, you know, I'll never forget when she played Wii bowling. I was like, I want one of these. I like, you do?

And then that led to her buying a DS on her own. She only bought one horse game with it ever, but it doesn't matter. But then when she came to visit last time, we put her in VR. And she did those VR lets plays, we did or whatever. And for her to freak out, like, I can see my hands. Oh my God, my feet. It was like, that was awesome. With the exception of the Cisco episode, which was fun.

I mean, those episodes are, the best. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I love the Cisco and it was great. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, this is a Kind of Funny Games cast. Each and every we get together, talk about video games, all things we love about them. You can get it early over on Patreon.com slash Kind of Funny Games, or you get it late on YouTube.com slash Kind of Funny Games.

That was the rigmarole. Latest that we've ever done it. But you got it out of the way. It got through. We can now move on. It's a conversation topic of the day. Topic two. Three predictions, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. It's going to happen. June.

this show, by the way. Nobody knows when it is. To Salem, Ghanem, all goneam. What about Patreon producer? You are the man, the myth, the legend. I want somebody to three predictions, and I want to put this out there now. This is our, right now, March 29.

Yeah. I want to have a first round. Let's start talking about E3 what we think is going to happen from a big perspective. Later, obviously, we'll do more in depth. We'll dive this rumor. We'll dive-ding.

What's going to happen? We'll take bets. We'll make, you know, try to. to see what we think is going to have. We should throw some things out there that we can loop back to, as it were. That's where I'm at. That's where I'm at. And say, did we get it?

Did we not get it? So all these topics that we're talking about today are topics that you have suggested to us over time. That I've been bugging you about as the, for just shooting them out like crazy. Like, talk about this. Talk about this. And so now, like, I call you're here. And here we are. So we can do them.

So E3. What I want to talk about is the press conferences, specifically the big three. Nintendo, Xbox. UiSo. PlayStation. Oh, PlayStation, right. Sorry, my phone. Hubesso.

That's the new big thing. Well, I'm sure we'll bring those guys up as well. But I want to talk about what we think they're going to do at their conferences from overall because last year and this year, very different landscapes that we're dealing with, right? Change last year. Nintendo comes out. They had their one game, which was Zelda. Amazing booth for Zelda, but nothing else.

Yeah. And people loved it. Yep. Game of the show from so many people. But not us. Not us. I mean. Yep.

Zelda, that was their game. They didn't even do a direct. The previous years Nintendo's been doing directs. Their last E3 conference was 2012, if not 2013. Maybe no, it was 2013, because 14 was the first time they did direct. We were still at O'GN. Yeah. So, Sony comes out.

Games, games, games, games. They have to. Home run. Home run. Grand Slam. Sports references. You have not? You don't know.

Home runs are good. If you do four home runs and run. That's a grand slam, right? Yeah. Yeah. So there's that. And then Xbox, surprising everybody. Yeah.

Coming out and being like very solid. Yeah. Very solid conference. I'm out of order on this. But very, very solid conference. Now Scorpio blowing people's minds. Nobody expected that. Everyone expected PS4 Pro.

That didn't happen. But getting very technical on stuff Microsoft in there. Terra flops and all the shit that. Them flops. Got to have them flops, man. It's funny. You talk about it. And that was the interesting.

thing right about both PlayStation and Nintendo right where they had to get out in front of those stories where Nintendo's like switch will not be there and PlayStation's like we're not doing the pro stuff like that's not what this is about remind me we knew about we knew the switch we knew something was coming from Nintendo we knew NX we knew about NX we knew that NX would not be at E3 and we knew that Nintendo was only going to have one game at E3 gotcha and so they had Zelda in addition to that during their so they did their they released the Zelda trailer I'm gonna grab a computer I feel like I'm a new computer I'm more historical information.

Get yourself some data, get some knowledge. It was the first. Knowledge yourself up. The first Zelda Breath of Wild trailer where they revealed the name of the game. Okay. Oh, that wasn't the first trailer. They revealed the name of the year. The first trailer was at E3, 2014.

Did they really show in that far back? Yeah, it was 2014. Yeah, it must have been. We remember we thought it was going to be Wii U forever. So, yeah, it was a Wii U game. The Link came out and, like, jumped and shot the Guardian. Yeah. Yep.

So, but we knew it was Breath of Wild then. And then they went on to do the Nintendo Treehouse all day. There's the big daddy. the tree house all day where they demoed Zelda and showed all the Was that tree house awesome by the way? Like to see it from a distance looked Frick and phenomenal.

Yeah, they're so good. But they did talk about set. I mean, Nintendo 83, like the actual set is they do it right. E3's

lineup of PlayStation next to Nintendo is always such a beautiful thing. Their boots are awesome. But they did announce a bunch of random 3DS games as well, but that was like just during the tree house and it was like smaller titles here and there and like some we used stuff too but nobody gave a fuck at all literally right yeah so then then yeah there was

PlayStation just straight killing it but yeah Microsoft was the one that was a bit more like they had a lot of the big triple a third party games they had that final fantasy 15 showing that was embarrassing and then they they showed scale bound they showed scale bound they got canceled a whole bunch of other stuff see of thieves they did they do it I think they did a crackdown teaser or was that the very end of it, I want to say they did, which I'm still questioning where we are with Crackdown. We haven't seen Crackdown in a long time. I think it's painful. I think that's the thing. I don't think Crackdown was there last year, wasn't it? I think they skipped. I mean, they announced it one year and then they skipped and everybody was like, where the hell is it?

So that must have been like. Anyways, getting, getting to it now. Predictions. What do we think is going to happen this year? What do you want to start, Greg? Where do you want to begin? Let's start with Microsoft. Okay. Let's do that. I think they open and they have, they come right out with Scorpio. top of the show. Do they terra flop us? Yeah. I mean, I think it's one of those things

that there's an argument to be made either way in the fact that, hey, 26, 17, I can't remember what year this doesn't look great for an intent,

or Xbox exclusives, right? Like, what are we talking about? And that's been the thing when Scalebound went away, right? It was like, don't,

no, don't worry. There's state of the K2. There's crackdown. And it was like, well, sure. Like, you know, Colin did a column was right about it where it was like,

yeah, well, Greg's excited for state of K2. I don't, That's not a halo. That's not a system seller. That's not a, anything like what we've seen with Sony's first party stuff here

in the last little bit. Yeah. Not even close. And so that's the thing of like, I think you come out and while that press conference has to address the fact of, hey, there are still games this year.

I think you lead with the biggest story you have of like, hey, here's Scorpio and here's what it is. And there's an argument to be made to put it at the end of the show and make a big deal about it. But that's at the end of the show last time. Everybody's waiting. You got to think that, not to interrupt you,

but you got to think that they, they had to have learned from the initial Xbox one launch event. Yeah. That was that really, you know, didn't go the way they wanted. And given the home run that Sony hit last year with games, games, games, games, games, I mean, that whole press conference was wall to wall. Sure. You have, I mean, that, yes, you want to talk about the new hardware, but I got to think

Microsoft's figured out that this is the time to talk about games, too. Sure, but I think they go hand in hand. I think they go hand in hand. Yeah. Because I think you come out and you're like, Scorpio, this is what, we're, we're, while we've been quiet. This, and then you even marketed this way. Like, this is why we've been quiet about what games are happening this year.

We're going to show you all these different games. So that's what I hope. Play on Xbox one and are better on Scorpio. And I think that it needs to be the kind of the actual good parts of the Nintendo Switch January conference they did, like the few good things. The non-campy straight, right? Like that conference was so bad. But again, I always say that the announcements made in it were not bad.

No, they weren't. We're starting that conference off. Hey, Switch is coming March 3rd. Right. Immediately. Sooner than anyone thought it was coming. It was just the campiness. Bam,

and then the rest of it sucks. Cultural campiness, weirdness, right, that's it. But if Xbox comes out and it's just like, Scorpio is this, here's how much it costs, here's the date it's coming. Let's talk about the games you're going to put on it.

See, I would be surprised if they totally dodge the price. Because that's the price for the price for a separate event. Because I think that the big rumor and the thing about this is going to be super expensive because it is going to be, it's going to have awesome guts in it. I can tell you from just the industry

that I'm in, component parts are really going up a lot. I mean, They're going to be challenged to put this box out at a reasonable price. I mean, it's going to be an expensive product. I mean, what they're trying to put in this thing, this is a genuine, it's a PC. It is a very high end. It's a mid to upper range PC.

It is. And so it gets into the weeds of, since it's not a new console, even though I, on this show before I predicted it, I think maybe it will be. Maybe they will ditch all that stuff. I don't even know where I sit anymore on those predictions. Yeah, yeah. What is Scorpio now? Now that the PS4 Pro is out and now that we're getting these rumors,

and we know they're going to hit hard at E3. I honestly don't really know. I feel like I'm kind of 50-50. About the, you know, the rumors about Scorpio that were leaked, I would say, what, in the last three to four months, but then we're from documentation at the reveal of Scorpio. We're saying basically it is PlayStation 4 Pro before we knew what PlayStation 4 Pro was.

It was doing the checker boarding thing. It was doing those. So like, it's this weird. How do you handle it and how do you learn from what Sony has, and not even fucked up, right? Because you guys have pros in your super. excited about them. When my PlayStation 4 dies, I will buy a PlayStation 4 Pro because, yeah, of course, I want the better version. I want the best version. I'm just not motivated to run out and buy it.

What have they learned from that? And I think that that's why it has to, you have to make the case of here's what the Scorpio is. Here's what the Scorpio is how this is the tarifflops. Let's look at 13 games that are coming to the Xbox 1 and the Scorpio but are better on Scorpion. And hope a demo. I mean, that's the issue with a lot of that technology is it doesn't demo well. It doesn't, I mean, it's the same challenge VR had. It's the same challenge. HDR has. it's the same type. Everything. All of it.

Unless you have the right setup to see it, it rings really hollow. Like you don't get it. So I think Microsoft's got to walk a really interesting line of they have to hit the hardware. Because look, that's what they're trying to go do. They need to sell consoles. They need to kind of get back. Yeah. I mean,

they got to get people excited about the Xbox brand again. Exactly. And that's where there's this disconnect on how this is going to be handled. If I'm there and I'm doing it, I'm getting you excited about Scorpio, so I'm opening with Scorpio. And I'm saying, Scorpio is this next revolution. It does all these different things. Look at all these different games.

Blah, blah, blah, blah. If they're coming at it and they're thinking it is an incremental step, it is like PlayStation 4 Pro, then, yeah, you put that later mid in the conference somewhere. See, I don't know, man. But I don't think you can do that. I'm, yeah. Everyone's expecting you to cut. If you don't hit it right away, it's going to be a lot of people looking at their watch.

When are they going to get this? I think that is somewhere. What does it mean for these games that I'm seeing? Yeah, I think it's somewhere in between the two where I forever thought that it was going to be the next Xbox system. Yeah. Like they're saying whatever the fuck they want. This is the Xbox 2 or whatever the hell.

Or just go back to calling it Xbox. Whatever it is, right? But the closer we get to this and where I'm at right now, I do think that this is just a better PS4 Pro. Like I think that they'll be able to come out and say, we have the most powerful system. But if they don't hit that head on, that's a problem because PS4 Pro has been out for how long now? And if they just say, we're just playing catch up? I mean, but those things, they can say whatever they want. Right.

So all they need to do is be stronger than PS4 Pro and to be able to say we're the strongest. So that could be the message. They do that with games, though. They have to do it with games. But what I imagine happening is they come out, they announce this thing. Is they announced at the beginning, you think? I do think that, like, yeah, I mean, that does make sense. But they come out.

But I wouldn't be surprised if they come out with a price, $400. Really? Yeah. And I'm putting this out there just being like, I feel like they have to. That is bet number one on the table, fellas. $400. We'll make bets where we're closer. But I'll bet you an Xbox.

I'll bet you a Scorpio. They're like, where I'm at. right now, I think that the Xbox one is a $400 product that is incrementally better. And it is going to be stronger than the PS4 Pro, but it is still just an incremental console. It's not

the next console. It's not the next console. That's a big, for the non... For the losing team? That's a tough... And that's the thing. I think that I think this might be like a PS3 situation where they have to sell it at a loss. They have to try to make up the ground. You know what I mean? Fine. Well,

I'm saying, you know, PlayStation cut their price before they were able to do that. Here, just cut it out the gate and be like, yep, we're doing this. We have to, we have to make it up and we have to make you excited and we have to go do this then. And the fact that the switch was $300. I don't think $400 is that crazy. And I think obviously people on the inside are going to be like, oh, like 400, so cheap.

It should, we think it's going to be 600, 700, but like I just don't see that working out unless it is a brand new console. And at this point, I don't see Xbox doing that. But I, so getting into it, we're talking about games are necessary. What are those games? Because I do think that we're going to see Halo at the C3. It's not going to come out this year. and I think it's going to be a late 2018 game,

but Halo will be at E3. So what do, I mean, first of all, what do we know that is first party end of the year? What are, what are the big cornerstone hang their hat on titles? That's the problem, right? Is that we don't? Because it is, crackdown is,

they've said crackdown's coming this year. They've said stated, State of the case coming this year. HALO Wars is February. Like that. The other was already came out. Came out. Oh, did it?

Oh, God. What the fuck month is now. I know. I know. Jesus Christ, you're 100% right. My apology. And I was like, it's February. Jesus Christ this year.

Love Sunset Overdrive, one of my favorite games. That's why you're going to love Spider-Man. But that can't be close if there is a- Oh, they're not going to do that. There's nothing there. Yeah, no. Right? Yeah.

So I don't know what, I mean, they have to show Halo then in that vein. If I had to, if I was a betting man. Forza, I mean, they're going to have some. There's going to be fours. Of course. There's going to be cars everywhere. Sure. Cars everywhere.

But with Halo. If I had to bet, I would bet that they announced Halo 6, whatever that is. And have some kind of playable demo? I imagine. Okay. They were that they, if I'm doing my math right, yeah, I am. Halo 3's 10th anniversaries this year. They will do a Halo 3 update in the same way that they've done, um, the other guys.

Master chief collection. Yeah. So Halo 3, I mean, Halo 3 was part of the chief collection, but I think that they'll do a more remastered, like focus on it. Let's add some tool. Celebration edition. Different stuff in, right? And I think that will either have a beta or some form of demo or something for Halo 6. And that'll be this year.

And then. The beta will be. Yeah. So do we, there's really nothing. I mean, think of that. That's a pretty weird spot for Microsoft to be in. Cuphead. Just before.

Finally. To not have, I mean, think of Sony's life. They had a stable of games. Some of them were, I mean, Lascar. I mean, they. Xbox is the third party. No, I know. I know.

When it comes to their conferences, they've always. done that. So, Assassin's Creed, it'll be there. So maybe they pull that in. So they pulled the new Assassin's Creed Empire. Is there a Far Cry Five? Is there a... Those type of games? I mean, obviously, U.B. has its own conference. Sure. But they'll pull those in. Oh, yeah, no, no. They've pulled those in in the past and done fine with them. So yeah. But there's got to be some, I mean, there, here's my bet. They are going to announce something big. That, that'll be Bethesda style, fallout

four style, where they'll have a big game that'll come out. It'll be this year. This year. There'll be something. I have no idea what it will be because I was kind of going through as I was getting ready like what stuff haven't we heard about? And I feel like the Haley 3 anniversaries don't they have to?

I mean, they have to have something. I mean, that's, I mean, you're, maybe I'm wrong. They have to do something though. No, you think that they do, especially for Scorpio. This is this game. This is what's going to look amazing

on this, what's going to be. Why else are you? But it's in like you can make an argument that the crackdown could be that. And that's why you haven't heard from Crackdown is that they're doing Scorpio stuff to it. which is could that move the needle that far

though? No, I don't think crackdown's that bigger franchise Crackdown is a big deal to us. Yeah, we all love to jump around and fucking grab warbs.

Halo is the answer when it comes to this conversation and I just, I don't think, I think that a new Halo on Scorpio pushed the right way and talked about the right way

with a halo coming this year to satiate people's needs. I think that is big enough because that is what Xbox has. Like they have gears, they have, I mean, I'm sure we'll see some gears DLC.

Gears was good, by the way. I don't you play gears? Gears was good. I'm not a Gears guy. Yeah, yeah, it was good. But I mean, the thing is they already had that. So it's like what other big franchises does Xbox have at this point? When was Halo 5, 2015?

November, so it's two years out. So that's what I'm saying. Halo's going to be there. Yep. October 27th, 2015. Yeah. And can you look up Halo 3's release date? Right there.

September 25th, 2007. So they're going to have to lean heavily third. I mean, they got to fill an hour and a half. I mean, they move to the Sunday. They got to fill an hour and a half. They better not come out and fill an hour. hour of hardware, tech spec, here's all the other non-gamy stuff that Scorpio can do. They've made, they made that, again, mistake. I don't want to say mistake because they're well-intentioned

people who know their business way better than any of us do. But they, you got an hour and a half to fill. They're going to have to come out with some you figure beefy. They've done announcements of some. Yeah, that's the thing is it's, I'm not saying they've given up the PlayStation's given up the indie ground by any stretch of the imagination. They still are a place you go to. But like, Xbox has made a big deal about Indies forever. At GDC, I just went to that Xbox indie event where I played Church in the Darkness and much other stuff. When you go to Pax, they have their off-site thing back at the campus.

Phil talks about it all that. I mean, it's a big, it's their part of their culture. You assume that, yeah, there are, if you can come out and you can have tent poles and you can have, it's just that the tent poles I'm pointing to aren't your traditional tent poles of crack down and stayed at a K-2 and C-of-Thieves and then Halo. Sure, Halo's on another level. If they do all that halo stuff,

if you can give people those signposts and then fill it in with and here are these great indies and here are these amazing things here are these plans for these games actually come out that are exclusive you can't get these experiences anywhere else looking at this this list right here something something interesting that i hadn't thought about is perfect dark yeah now perfect dark is it's been way too long since we've seen one so it's not the juggernaut that it used to be sure but it still has that name it still has a name and that has that come back like oh shit this is this is it's not the juggernaut that it used to be sure but it still has that name and that has that come back like oh shit this is this happening feel that is bigger than the killer instincts that they have and they've been treating really well and kind of growing over the last couple years. But if we got a strong developer to come out and be like, we're doing a new perfect arc and we're doing it. And we're really far along and we're really. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. We've been working on this long time and it looks better on Scorpio and all that. It feels to me like there's, that could be cool. That could be very cool. It just seems to me like, especially in the last, I don't know, maybe four years, there have been so many good press conferences and so many bad ones. they all learn from each other, right?

And I feel like this is the year where all of the things that people have learned are, you know, there's not going to be any mistakes anymore as far as totally missing the market. It's not even that thing of it mistakes. It's the fact of like, oh, we're on, crackdown, stay decay, awesome, a halo thing, great. But is that enough? Is that enough? And so that's why you've got to hang your hat on. Scorpio is this revolution.

And then let's look at the developer we've partnered with. And we have some kind of, like, you know, know, where do they get their clocks cleaned? It seems like there's always exclusive content this generation for PlayStation. So what do you have for, you know, we have some deal with the next battlefront. You know what I mean? Like we're not there doing something to this effect. Yeah, but yeah.

Those things, you know, they do add up here and there. But it's a here and there. It's not a change the game. Now, game changer thing. The thing with Halo is it's been around for so long and it's had, you know, the five core titles, ODST and Reach, in addition to that. So that's six full games, right? No, sorry, seven full, like full real proper halo games.

Five regular and then. And then, of course, there's the Halo Wars. Totally different type of spinoff. I think that it could be time for another Halo property that's not a halo game. You know, that's not what you think of a first person shooter. Set in the universe. Set in the universe, different style of game, whether it's an uncharted style game, which could be crazy cool.

Yeah. Or something more Mass Effect style that it's a bit more RPG. Well, because they went that way with all the TV stuff. and they hired lots of big studio. I mean, they were going that way. The halo world is awesome. And people love the characters. And they've started this arc with Halo 4 and 5 where they're moving past what,

one, two, and three built off. And there now is all these different characters and classes and all this shit. And I think that the world is ready, especially now that Bungie's moved on to Destiny, like 343 knows what they're doing with Halo. And it is getting a bit samey. The people that love it still love it. Sure. But I do think that Halo as a property can bring back so many people that love it.

left and it can also bring so many new people in if they're just they're like hey this is different you got the thing of the pitch sells itself if you come out and this is the star wars 13 13 of halo yeah you are somebody else you're not a spartan you're not in that part of the world you're bounty hunter or whatever you're doing these different things going there the other thing that cute in my mind while we're talking about this um when we talk about something they could have stick with me because again i don't think this is that big of a deal based on how xbox it's performed on xbox before we we know in quotes of Shadow of the Tomb Raider. What if Shadow

the Tomb Raider, they reveal that there. And it is, once again, it's this Xbox deal. You can only get it here for this first year. Again, not going to be the tent pole in the way of like, that's going to sell a fucking million units. But hey, we've got this. We got a quality game. What gets more interesting

to is think about this. Okay, they revealed at the PlayStation event, which one was it? Was E3 last year? Yeah, E3 last year, they revealed Spider-Man, right? Did Xbox? immediately run to Marvel and was like, oh, you're doing this? That's a very solid point.

Let's do something, Bill. Let's do something, Mike. Let's do something Marvel games. These are Marvel games, people, if you don't know. What do you have that we could do and who can we partner with and can we get one of our studios doing it or another second party studio to go off and make our thing? And again, it's similar to one. And you've got the movies are right. I mean, there's a couple coming out here. With the Avengers game, that's, there is any console confirmed.

I imagine it's everywhere. Yeah. Early PlayStation. I'll double checks. But yeah, that's a really solid point. Like what if there was a. potentially the Guardians game that is rumored.

Squares doing it, aren't they? Guardians could be an Xbox. That's a great point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Square that's doing the Avengers, right? Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. The rumor is Idos, Montreal.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is part of Square family, obviously, but just to be clear, yeah. Square Annex is announced the Marvel thing. I mean, it goes back to my point of, with Idas, Montreal. There's going to be some big announcement. I mean, I just feel it. There has to be.

There's just not enough here, I think otherwise for them. They're going to have to come out with something. I mean, Phil Spencer is a gamer, right? At the core of that guy is a gamer. They know what they need.

They know what they need. So I can't imagine this doesn't go, something big game changing. I mean, think of where Sony did really well last year was in, every year was the last Guardian watch and it was this and it was that.

And when they finally did it, I remember I think it was the year, I'm a big portal, like I'm a huge portal fan as well. That announcement was so awesome. I mean like, oh my, I mean, like, the game came out. No, the portal, the portal two.

Portal two was announced. The voice, just glados. Yep. And it's coming to PlayStation and like, holy smells. Like, what the fuck? Those moments. I was there.

I was at the conference. That was my first conference ever. Those moments, 2010 then, yeah. Are like for, for everybody, huge. And again, I feel like they've learned like everybody's watched this and seen it. They got to have one of those moments where something is kind of a mind screw. Yep. Crazy something.

Those moments are just, you remember them forever. Yeah. Right? Like I'll never forget that glad. Like, oh my God, they totally nailed this. Like, this is a perfect way to announce a game, right? It was, I don't know. And then they ended that conference with David Jaffe, right now on a sweet tooth. After you fucking lie to our face, Jeff.

Speaking, did you see that that's going to be, you probably did it. And I'm behind that. That's going to be one of the free games. Oh, yeah. Drawn to Death got announced a while back. Yeah. That's going to be, that's how they're going to do it. Wow, that's amazing to me that a brand new game comes out right out of the gate as a free to play.

Well, it works for Rocket League. Yeah, it worked for Rocket League. It's impressive because, like, usually, no offense, it's usually smaller games, smaller indie things that are getting out there, right? Or not even indie, but second party. And so, yeah, for them to do this with Jaffie, yeah, yeah, interesting. And I think it'll be interesting. Have you guys seen it? Have you played it? Yeah, I played at PSX that debut. I, it's, what I was thinking of withdrawing to death is that it's totally a game that shouldn't speak to me on paper. Yeah. But playing it, I was like, oh, this is fun. And it's the same

thing where like, uh, car combat, you know, usually isn't my thing, but I love calling all cars. You know, Jaffie has something there. He knows what he's doing multiplayer-wise. And so I'm interested to play the final product and see it. And it'll be very fascinating to see if it, it's not going to be Rocket League. But, hey, we made, here's this game that you've heard about for way too long. For way too long. That has been way too confusing because it was free to play and now it's not free to play. But now it's just fucking free.

You got it. You already, you're paying online, right? Why not play this game online? Why not fuck around? Does it, does it seem like, like, what, I only play one online multiplayer game? DC Universe Online. Battlefield. Okay, my apologies.

It's the one that I've kind of, because they're so. It's freaking complicated. Yeah, that one's not. That one's Star Wars. How fun. Yeah, right. No, I mean, the battlefield, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. Oh, battlefields.

Yeah, it's really, can be really, like Battlefield four is insanely, I mean, that, that community is really serious, right? But most of those games are not any fun because people spend thousands of hours playing them, right? Mm-hmm. And jumping in and going, oh for 60 is not fun to get your ass kicked from every corner by people who just have learned. That's why I can't play Call of Duty for more than 10 minutes.

Does it have any of that? Is it more Rocket League in the sense of it's casual and can be fun? Hard to say. If you don't put hundreds of hours into it? That's the thing is I never jumped into the beta and did any of that jazz. You know what I mean? So like I was just playing against people at PSX who didn't know what to do. And that's the same way I played Rocket League where I loved Rocket League.

And then Rock League gets out and it's just like, well, I just went, you know, 22 and oh, so this sucks. Right, right, right, right. I don't know how it's going to end up being in terms of that. It seems like it's going to be pick up and play a run around and do it. Maybe, you know, with private matchmaking, you'll be able to have more fun and keep it that way. We'll see. Yeah.

Yeah. You got me sold on this, Greg. Marvel game. So far with me clicking around, it looks like Avengers project has no platforms announced. Yeah. Now, I doubt that'll happen.

I think Avengers is going to be everywhere. But then again, if you would have told me they're putting out a Spider-Man game, I would have been like, oh, yeah, well, it's going to be everywhere. All right.

So that's interesting. Is there any, any last thoughts on Microsoft on Xbox? This is what I love. People, I hate when we go into E3 and people are like, what are you most excited about, right? And I'm always like,

I'm excited about not. knowing. And that's why this episode is one of the things of us being like, not no year. We're like, I don't know what the fuck they're going to do, but they need to do something. And I think that, as you said, that's profound, by the way. I don't know what you need to do, but you need to do something. Phil Spencer gets that. He does. The ID at Xbox team gets that.

The people who are going out making these third party partnerships and second party partnerships is to get that. And so I do think that, yeah, they understand where they're at. They understand that they've gotten their ass kick this generation. Here's Scorpio. Here's why you need it. Here are these amazing games. And yeah, hopefully here are these franchises.

announcements and partnerships, you never expect it. So Xbox, two years ago, backwards compatibility, boom. That was for us types, a big deal. Xbox GamePass now, I think. Do you think that they have something like that or maybe iterate on GamePass a bit more at E3? I think if anything, it would be like, we've had a really, we're having a really exciting year. And everybody loves Xbox Game Pass. And let's talk about the games we're adding to it right now, you know, we're putting up and having this.

The real thing. I think with Scorpio, there's an opportunity to best of both worlds at where you don't Don't do the Xbox one thing of and look at all the different things you can do that aren't video games. You can stream Netflix. Where it's like, here's this new system. It's the best place to play games. Speaking of playing games, you can play a shit ton of games. Best on Scorpio using the Xbox Game Pass.

You have this built-in library once you get this console. And the stuff that they've figured out that we always kind of crack on Nintendo for that they bought the same fucking game 50 times because they have no idea how to do DRM. I mean, Xbox figured that shit out forever ago, right? So they could. Yeah. Absolutely come out and do that. The other big thing that we're not talking about because they have to have some kind of announcement,

some kind of partnership, whatever. And this is one of those flip of the coins up in the air. Who is going to have Red Dead? Ooh, will someone have Red Dead? I think they'll be exclusive content of some kind of Red Dead. I think if Microsoft wants to make waves, they have a trailer there.

They do something. Don't get me. Rockstar roll that way. And that's the thing. Rockstar knows they don't need them. No. But it is that thing of like, what if they've done exclusive content,

they've done windowed things like that. At E3. No, not at D3. So that's what I'm saying. I know. When do we think Red Dead is though? Let's look at Red Ted. Yeah.

Does it come out this year? No. I wish. Don't get me wrong. I wish. I know that's what we're all talking about, but it's just one of those things of I can't see it. This goes back and forth to where like when we're talking about like persona and people

like it's on their website. The release date and my games move all the time. That game moved like 15 fucking times. Look at the history of Grand Theft Auto 5 and everything else. And that was like. Grand Theft Auto 5 was like here's one that's coming out. And that slipped. You know what I mean?

Like, I would fucking love Redd to come out this year. I don't know. I mean, the thing about Rockstar that's blowing my mind, too, and I love GTA 5 as everybody did. They're still releasing stuff however far past this has been. And not just little piddly shit, like genuine, completely new modes. I mean, they pour so much money after the fact in the games.

And it's not even really D.L.C. It's just they just keep going. Well, I mean, like, that thing is a cash cow. The people who play that game don't stop playing that game. They never start. It's insane to go, even on Twitch. and to watch. I mean,

so I think Red Dead is easily a year off. And that's the biggest thing about it. It's not even, it's the business acumen of like, they have no reason to rush this out. And so as with any other game, let alone a game following up on a masterpiece, you're going to sit there and be like,

well, we could do this better, we do that better. And the Rockstar has that. They have that ability to be like, we don't need it, don't worry. There's nothing about Rockstar that indicates releasing anything quickly, early.

So it'd be nice. Yep. And as much as we, every year, it's always like the Rockstar doesn't do stuff at E3, but maybe this year. And that's the thing is like, again,

I think Xbox isn't quote unquote desperate enough, but they understand they need to make waves. They need to punch this thing in the face. They need to make everybody go, holy shit, Xbox is back. That would be a punch.

Yeah. And if they're like, hey, we get DLC early or whatever, you know what I mean. Yeah. It looks best on Scorpio. They're working part and parcel with us

to make this game better. All right. Sony. Moving on from Microsoft. I'm going to say next topic here. Okay. Let's talk about Sony. This is a damn good show, Tom.

Is it going well? You're doing well. Don't fuck up now because you're halfway there. You know what I mean? Let's talk about Sony. So what do they do this year? I think that they are in the worst spot out of the big three in terms of E3 press conferences. In terms of their success, in terms of what they have, they are, I think.

When is there's timing wise in order now? Do we know where they are? Historically. Yeah, Monday night is when they're Microsoft's now. Sunday night and then Nintendo is predictably. Well, no, it's Microsoft's Sunday afternoon. Bethesda's Sunday night.

Didn't someone go into Saturday even, did I see? Or is it Sunday? No. It's still E.A. doing their EA play thing. Then it's going to be the normal thing of... Fuck, it'll be like the week before. All of a sudden, they're going to back it up so far that it'll be the week prior. U.B. Right. And then is EA doing their they move their thing to Saturday? The EA play Saturday. Are they doing an EA thing

on before UB this year? No? So it'll be U.S. Yeah, they probably will. They did last year. I need tickets. by the way. So someone's got to get me some tickets. You spent all your money. All your money coming here. Right.

I spent it all to fly and do that. But yeah, so I think Sony's in a bad spot. And it's kind of even hard to say that because of how well they are doing. But it's just their E3s, the last two years, have been Year of Dreams.

One and two. My whole reason of why I'm not at all worried about Sony is because, yeah. And I remember year of Dreams won us being like, well, fuck. Yep. There's no way they can top that neck. And then they come on and they fucking destroy it again.

I want to believe. they're going to come through and make a whole bunch more announcements. But I think this year is going to be more release dates, more gameplay trailers. Similar to last year, just game after game after game theater style. But instead of being new game, new game, new game, new game, it's going to be more like. Days gone. Here's another war. Let's look back into, yeah, what's happening with, as you said that, I erased my memory.

Let's go and look at, I'm sure. We were talking about this beforehand. I think the Emma Stone stuff for Death Strandings, true. And I bet that'll be... I bet that'll be a fucking trailer. They do. That they drop there and it's, you know, Qaeda productions and fucking Emma Stone's there.

And Ryan Gosling dancing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, they spend so much time and effort on Kajima on that. They do it so well. Yeah. Those things are just so good. You need that. You need that hype.

Build it up over years because that game's nowhere soon. But like, get it out there and keep that going. Because that is their, like they have the thing that Microsoft doesn't, which is hype. And it's a big thing to be hyped about, right? So they have that. Last of Us 2. I imagine that the most we'd get is a teaser,

but I wouldn't even be shocked if we didn't see it at all. Yeah. I imagine the uncharted DLC or whatever the fuck they're calling it these days. Well, yeah, yeah, exactly. It's moved off of being DLC to being its own project. So I think that's the whole thing of, we've had that debate of, is it going to be out before E3? It's not going to mean, no, now that we're here in March,

as I look at this thing, April as you listen. God, I can't believe. I was so brain dead on that. I literally was like, oh, Halo Wars is coming out. I think that that gets a pretty big push there. Probably just a trailer with the release date. When do we think?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's, we were talking about this before. I think it's between E3 and September, closer to September. That sounds like a good spot to put it, I say. I mean, I thought it was going to be before E3, but now it is looking like it'll be that time for it. Because they don't want to go too late with it. But they're, I mean, they're changing that game pretty significantly, aren't they? I mean, they're adding a lot of new stuff, right?

This isn't just a re-skinned. Yeah, no, no, it's not a re-skinned at all. Yeah, it's different characters. No, Nathan Drake, they're doing all these different things. Sure, no, I just mean as far as like there's some... Oh, sure, yeah. Right, right, right. It looks like, I mean, it's a pretty heavy lift development-wise.

Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm real interested in that. That obviously is a big deal. And getting the release day for that is going to be big news. But that's kind of what I'm saying is this year, it seems a bit less of like a holy shit and more of a... Yeah. Right. But I mean, that's the whole thing of like what we get lulled into when we talk about this.

is just the fact of, well, like, what are they going to do? You know what I mean? Like, the fact of the matter, I mean, like, for sure, I think this is, because this is what it's been them setting up these dominoes forever, right? And with Horizon, they really start. And Uncharted 4th, they really started the topple, right? Of like, here's what the first parties have been doing. Here we go.

Here you go, Horizon. Or here you go, Uncharted, here you go, Horizon. Then you look out and you start thinking about, not first party, but, you know, what is Quantic Dreams game going to be? Okay, we get to see more of it. We're going to see next what happens there. All right. We have the second party partnership.

Yeah. We have the second party partnership to bring all these other things. Here's this Spider-Man theme from Insomniac. They're all lined up. So I think it is, I don't think you're going to get a lot of release dates because I think they're still going to play fast and loose with that. I think Detroit, I would love a release date right away. I don't think we're going to get a release date.

Here's my thing. I don't think they've learned. I think it'd be, it's too obvious to say that they learned from Last Guardian and Horizon to not put release dates on things. But they're going to. I think they're going to put a release date, not on Detroit, but they will on a few. On charted. Yeah.

I think they will. Well, uncharted. Sure. That I think makes sense. gone and at the very least we'll get a fall 2018. Like release date to the day probably not. Yeah, it'll be a window. Yeah.

And it'll probably, they probably won't do it. You think days gone makes it into this year? It'll be three. No, no, no, in release this year.

I'm not familiar enough on the studio side with all that to like, to make that. Bend that's doing that. Yeah, Sony Ben. I mean, I feel like that has to come out this year. I kind of do too.

I think that's one of those. When did they show that? When was that first crazy with the million? That was last year. Was that just last year? Yeah. That was the same way we're trying. But my thing with that is that seems like the type of game that like it needs to get out.

Have you guys seen that game in person? Yeah. But it was just it was. Yeah, exactly. We saw behind closed doors. Which was another route through that like sawmill or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's something about it where especially now that we know Last of Us 2 is coming. Yeah. It's like, all right, cool. That's what, 2019 that we're looking at. Yeah.

Early 20, like late 2018, which I doubt that. Yeah. I think that this game needs to come out far enough away from Last of Us 2. For me. this for days gone and we I know that there's a whole predictions episode on p.s. I love you where we laid out the roadmap back in the day and obviously it's changed and I don't have my specific notes in front of me on that. The thing I would think with days gone now looking at it and thinking about it and also how they're treating the uncharted DLC is I think they don't want that to get in the way.

So uncharted DLC there, I would think you put days gone spring of next year because again, Sony Ben's been working on that a long time. That's probably further along that we think it is. I mean, they were quiet forever. Exactly. Exactly. And there's, you know, there's doing? Was it another siphon filter? Was it a... Another uncharted Vita. Right.

Something. Exactly. And that's the whole rumor is that they were working out things and things got canned and moved around. I mean, especially now if you look back on what the quality of her... Guerrilla had to be working on that game for a long time. I mean,

that game is so technically adept at everything it attempts. It pulls off that you... If Ben's been working on this that long, you got to... I mean, again, high bar. There's some high bars that have been established here by these first part of games that that day's gone that those guys aren't dumb they're sitting back looking at the success of that game and going fuck yeah that's a why do we do it that way right yeah i mean to be fair i feel like days gone is in a in a different league than horizon in a lesser way where i think

horizon was being looked at as this needs to be yeah but think of kill zone sink but but because like you guys talked about with danny when he was here there was did guerrilla have this in them because what we had kill zone fantastic for i love kill zone the games were fine but but they weren't this. Yeah. They weren't what this game came out to be. But you said it, like they're now in a league of like,

great developers. But the Killzone is I feel like Killzone. And again, I don't really like the games, but I feel like Killzone has always been a better name than a better game. Yeah, yeah.

I can see that. Like, Killzone matters as a franchise. They don't stick with you that. I played them for eight hours, campaign, I'm through, and that's, it comes and goes. And I always feel, I don't know if you guys ever feel this way.

Like, I'll play a game and beat it in, 10 hours, whatever it is. And then I stop, maybe a lot like movies, I'll stop and go, man,

a team of a thousand people worked on this fucking game for three years of their lives. And I'll sometimes watch the credits and I'll see like, here's all the babies that were born. Yeah. During,

and I'm like, these people, blood, sweat, and tears for however long they did this. And I just kind of like, it's almost like we get so spoiled as gamers,

right? I mean, that's why I try to kind of, back to the strategy, got thing, like soak it all in because these people dedicated this huge chunk

of their lives to do, doing this thing that we consume like that. I mean, movies are the same way, right? You'll work on a movie for two years and I'll watch it for an hour and a half and I may never think of it again. Yeah, and I think it's also when you start making comparisons and stuff, like right now, Horizon and Zelda is the thing going around. But even going back, like, a lot of why I don't like Kill Zones because I liked, especially the earlier Halo games. Like, so to me it was like, because you put hundreds of hours in the same league.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. But going that to what I was saying is like, Killzone is a name. I think that with Sony Ben, they don't have the name. Exactly. Like, siphon filter was a name back in the day, but it's not anymore. So I think that from moving on from Killzone, they had to prove themselves with Horizon being a new IP.

And not only they need to prove themselves that like it's worth doing instead of Killzone, but that it's going to be, this is going to be a huge Sony franchise. Oh dude. With days gone, I can imagine days gone being the only day is gone. You know, 100%. And that's what sucks is that I think that Sony Ben just got painted into a corner in a way there, right? If it was they went and worked on this game that's not they're like it's not zombies. It's tweakers. It looks like zombies, you know what I mean?

And then while they're doing that, Last of Us comes out and destroys and, you know, changes everything. And they're like, well, we're doing something different. Yeah. But now to have Last of Us 2 shadow over you. I think it is a thing that you have to come out at this E3. Here's Days Gone again. Let's do another gameplay demo. We're going to give you something completely different.

Show you why this game isn't what so many of you think it is of just zombies running at you and you gunning them down. Here's us getting supplies. Here's just doing this thing. Here's what the story of this motorcycle club is. And then get you excited for hopefully. a spring release to trying to get it. I mean, going back to the last topic we had, and it's funny that they're both, quote, unquote, zombie games. But I do feel like Colin was talking about, stated to K.

Oh, Greg's excited. But really, who else is? And it's not like a game changer. Sure. I think Days Gone is higher profile than that. But they're in similar spaces in terms of the catalog of what Sony has where it's just like, that's just going to be a game that happens. It's going to be a fun game.

It's going to be a good game. Yeah, exactly. And hopefully media enough that it's not a six hour, eight hour and over. Because, I mean, is there a multi- I mean, there's- When you talk to them about it and they talk about like, oh yeah, and your bike breaks down

and you need to work on this and you need to scavenge gas. Like, that sounds cool. I would have really preferred to see that rather than how many zombies you can fit on the screen because that was just something really different.

And that looks cool, don't get me wrong. But like I always said, I talk about all the time, the first trailer they showed before they even said it was anything about zombies of where it's Sam Whitwer on his motorbike talking about his girlfriend, you assume.

I was like, that seems really interesting. That's a cool story. It is. But then the lasting impression we have is this zombie thing. about it, of course, is what will Horizons presence be at E3? Because there is story DLC coming. They've announced that.

And I bet that they've been working on it. I don't think it's close to being done and ready to roll. But you've got to imagine, slapped together a trailer really quick of just cuts and this and that. Where is Horizon sales-wise? Have we looked like, do we know where that- They announced, I mean, you know how it is. They only put out certain amounts of information.

I mean, the framework that they've created with that game, this, I mean, it's, there's no telling where this could go. over the next three to five years. The moon, some would say, yeah. Yeah, in March 16th, it was that they had topped 2.6 million units in two weeks, under two weeks. And it's two weeks.

Like, we're right now, after all the word and mouth of this game, like you can only imagine. But yeah, that's the thing is that, that's really a good observation. We're going to get some D.C from Horizon. There'll be some teaser somewhere. I know, right?

But, but yeah, I mean, looking through last year, God of War is going to make it. Do get more God of War? I am very excited for God of War. I mean, that, I know people were kind of back and forth on that one, that really grabbed me. I love Norse mythology stuff. I mean, in fact, it was funny.

The strategy guide thing, I think I learned more about Greek mythology from like literally, I mean, that was, I found myself reading about stuff outside of a game because it got a war. Like, what the hell game does that to you where you can literally go learn about something that was really interesting topic? Introduced here, yeah, yeah. And I mean, maybe that's not, I don't know, they are changing that game so fundamental. Yep. Making you care about crazy.

They could swing and miss really badly, but they have a good enough pedigree. Yep. Of understanding what God of War is and what it's not to make, have you guys seen it lately? Has there been any more? There's been no update. That was all that one. Timing on that one? Do we have any feel for when that thing is now?

I mean, that's my thing is that's not a this year game. It doesn't feel like it, but it feels like them was really done. I mean, there was a lot that they should. I mean, that's vertical slice. Yeah, but we saw a lot of Kingdom Hearts 30 years ago, a lot of Final Fantasy 15. So it's like with God of War I can see that being a March 2018 game But I can then see it getting pushed

You think a whole other year I think you get days gone out more That's more important to put out Well I think days gone's this year I do I think days gone's this year And I can see it potentially getting pushed to See I it's January It's one of those fucked up weird things right

Is that I think if you put days gone out At the end of this year Like into the holiday season right It gets eaten a lot It gets fucking murdered That's a game nobody's gonna pay attention to Compared to the other big If there is an Assassin's Creed and there is a AAA thing,

and there is. Now, the flip of that is that you could put God of War out there and it could be a contender if it's that far along, if that's where we're at. God of War could roll out and fucking smash. What's interesting now is we're in a new era of game releases where the big guy, the exclusives are just going to miss the holidays entirely because then they can just do better when Horizon coming out of February or whatever. I sent a topic in way back when, months ago about that, about dishonor.

We're sorry. You didn't get to it, God damn it. about dishonored last year, right? I know dishonor is a little bit of a, you know, doesn't strike everybody exactly the same, but there was so many games that came out right around that time that just got completely bludgeoned, really because of the release window in my mind.

Watchdogs and there was, I mean, like watchdogs, I want to go back and fin it. I mean, there's so much that was there that I, and they're watching now the success of these spring games. I think that there's plenty of people who are going to be willing to put summer games out and other things. Well, that's the thing is, I think that we're going to move,

towards a place where summer and spring exclusive games are where it's at. Yeah. And then the holidays are going to be pretty much essentially for third parties. Yes. With the exception of Nintendo. Or the sequels. The- doesn't have the third parties.

So Call of Duty doesn't affect them, but they put their Mario game out. Because those are the Christmas-he kind of things. Like, let me get my kid the newest, Call-Duty. Let me get them the newest, whatever.

Those don't matter when they release. They're going to sell, those games are going to sell what they're going to sell no matter what time a year, right? So there's a lot of games that are selling, could sell way better because of when they put them out. Yep. Right?

Because there's a big lull. Like even now, I know there's, you guys talked with Danny about between now and E3, but then there's a giant, I have no idea in the summer. There's nothing in the summer. Really? I mean, nothing of giant substance. Well, a little game called Crash Bandicoot in San Trilogy.

Besides that. Of course. Get fucking hyped. But that's my thing is like that personally, you can't beat last year's E3. Like having that moment, I'm like, holy crap. And like, they can, they can match it as if Crash Team Racing, if they're like, the response has been so good. pre-release of Crash Bandicoot

that we're also going to give you Crash Team Racing or Spiro or something. I don't know. I'm a sucker for those type of things, but Sucker Punch's game. I mean, that's that I think that this for sure happens to C3 because again, it is these dominoes all been set up and regardless of when they're toppling, you know they're starting to go. We're going to start getting their release dates. And sure, death stranding and last of us are way down the line, but you still need to show what's

happening in there and you still are innovating. And I think sucker punch coming out and being like, yep, this is we've been working on. Here's what it is. No release date, of course. It'll be like last year with all these other things. I'm starting to get hyped about this. Like starting off the Sony thing.

I want an infamous. I want another dead space is what I want. That's the one that I keep sitting back on. Why are they not doing this? Capcom. It's so interesting where they kind of, they fucked up pretty bad last generation, where it's like they took so much of their franchises

and ran them into the ground. And they kind of tarnish their name in so many ways. And now it seems like they're starting to be like, Like, all right, cool. They fucked up Street Fighter 2 or 5, but they're trying to fix it, right? They're coming back, Marvel's Capcom, Infinite, which so far seems iffy, but I believe it'll shake out well in the end. Resident Evil 7.

They fixed Resident Evil. Like, nobody saw that coming. No. What do they do with the things like, Double Me Cry? Is it time for it to come back? I mean, it's been way too long. I really enjoyed the last Devil My Cry and I've got much. Oh, DMC?

DMC was great. starring Ray Gutierrez? Yeah. That was one of my few Twitch, like I'm not a big Twitch fighter kind of get, man. That game really got me. Oh, those action things? Only Mushaw, of course. It was some great flying thing.

Yeah, it was good. Real quick, you jump from Dead Space to Capcom. Sorry, sorry. Sorry. No, I was being an idiot. That's on me. I made the connection when you brought in the DECRO, but I don't want the comments to be.

Dear Tim, you don't know anything. E.A. made Dead Space. I threw out of EA just crazy. Like what me as a fan would love to see another two games that I would love to, I'd love to see another infamous. Like I would. Yeah, I mean, like, honestly, I feel like for Infamous, I think it's more likely that we'll get a collection of Infimus 1 and 2.

Which I'm upres or remus. Fuck yes. I will totally replant them those games. No question. And then yeah, I think Zucker bunch will do something new. Back to Capcom and jumping in. That's a great thing is we didn't talk about enough in the Microsoft thing or even here

what third parties are getting involved that don't have their own conference. And yeah, you coming out and like, more as an evil D. D. D.C. Yep. Onimusha.

D. Nushia is done. Onimush is like, ony musha is now my next crash bandico. They're making a shit of you game, buddy. All right. Anything you can. There's a Shemu coming.

Oh, Shenmu. They miss on some of those. Some of those, I think they think their fan base on a few of those is bigger than it is or more,

some of those just fell flat. We'll see. I don't know. I don't know. So that's the thing. Going back to the Year of Dreams, one, we had Shenmoo,

Final Fantasy 7 remake and Lost Guardian. Last Guardian. I don't know. I mean, Final Fantasy 7 remake is due for an update.

Right. However, we all know what the update's going to be. Still coming along. It's coming. But we're getting to a point and at God, that game, who the fuck knows when it's going to happen? But with everything we know about it, it being episodic and whatever, we got to get close.

It's got to be. We got to be getting close to them announcing that episode one is happening with a date that will inevitably get pushed back. But we need to get that date. That will inevitably. That's great. We're going to announce it, but it's inevitably going to get pushed. But that's the thing is like, I'll do a big reveal events and then they'll still push the date.

I hate to even ask this, but the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, your solid spin-off shit show like what? Oh my God, right. I forgot about that piece of garbage. Where are we on that thing as I'm looking up at the middle I mean, no one's going to put that on a conference. Yeah. That'll, Konami will continue to try to push that on their own, but I don't even know if you'll see it

there. Wow. All I say is wow about that thing. Yeah, that's interesting. Talk about missing your Ooh, you know who else we haven't talked about and there's been rumors of a new Batman game forever. So I was going to ask about Rocksteady. What is Rocksteady? Do you say there?

That's Spider-Man, but it's still Played through. Yeah, I know, yeah. Now you're singing it, though, there's been a million rumors about the Batman and DC games in general, right? That, I mean, let's just talk about WB is a big thing, right? There was the rumor that W.B. Montreal

was working on Suicide Squad. That movie didn't, what didn't turn out and the game wasn't going well, so they were flipping it over to make a Justice League game. There's still rumors that Rock Steady is out there working on a Batman game that was, we thought people thought were going to be announced, but then it turned out to be Shadows of Mordor,

what is it, War of Mordor? Yeah, more and more like that one. That'll have a presence. It's a good game. Yeah, sure, totally. I mean, as a Batman fan, I was excited for that. But I think you could definitely get a trailer from that. And I'd imagine that's at PlayStation.

Do we know what Rock Studies? I mean, that's a big gap. No one knows what Rock City is doing. Rock City last year not having anything. Was Batman VR. Yeah. I'm fine. And there's a lot more.

Yeah, there's a lot in that game or that thing's pretty deep. Yeah. I mean, that was a real thing. I was tell that story of going to that demo where I was like, oh, I'm going to walk around the WB booth. and I was there to get my green arrow, uh, fucking,

uh, and I was like, oh, I didn't even know, you had the rock set, or VR to play, and I went in there and it was all the normal guys that I've known for years

since Arama's time. Like, oh, hey guys, like, and like, I thought this was gonna be phoned in. Somebody else did it. They're like,

fuck you, put it on. It's good. Dude, that, that first nightwing fight in VR, that thing is like, you're really,

totally when you're like, you're dodging her in. My daughter, when she did that the first time was like, I thought she was going to break into two. I was like, they're like beating. I'm right there in the middle of them kicking each other's out.

I'm like, oh my God, the thing is so, so could that could that be one of the big? I think it could be an announcement. Here's a trailer. Here's this new Batman game we're working on. It's from Rock Steady. When was the last Batman? When was the last Rock City? Batman was Arkham Knight?

June 15? Yeah, June 23rd, 2015. Wow. So I mean, two years later, you announce it and you say you're, you push that it's going to come in 2018, but it probably gets kicked to spring. No, no, that makes sense. Star Wars is another thing that we didn't. bring up really I mean that's that it'll be at the EA conference I doubt will get much

um at the Xbox or or PlayStation but about two you think battle front two is confirmed for star was celebration okay got I was double checking because I got an invite to go see it or whatever yeah in like two weeks or yes I think that you'll have but I imagine that will be uh let's see it'll be single player they want to focus on what's new so star's battle front one was multiplayer only so the first reveal of it will probably I would bet is single player because you focus on the new stuff and then E3 is here's the multiplier. Again, that's at EA. That game will kill with a single player

campaign because people as much as they want to last time around. I mean, it's all the, I mean, that. I think there's an argument to go the other way though. Yeah. At celebration, we're confirming single player. Have they confirmed confirmed or are we just all assuming they're putting in it? I'm pretty sure it's confirmed. I don't remember because I don't follow that closer. But hey, we're confirmed.

It's yes, there's going to be a single player. Maybe even say we'll talk more about that at E3, but for right now here, go run through this new map or whatever. And it's Kylo Lorenz better. Hmm. Huh. That's fair. That's fair. Oh, we miss any big big Sony stuff. So Death Stranding, I imagine

it will be there. I think that's going to be at every PSX and E3 It's not me. I'm kind of a Forza guy, but the Grandfess, GT Sport that I've seen lots. What do you have to say about? I'm going to go pee. That's what I say. No, I mean, don't get wrong. If you like GT, you like GT. Are you GT guy, Kev?

He likes racing games. Yeah, but specifically GT. Oh, man. Like, are you the guy that grinds out the last 10th of the second on a thing? Oh, yeah, baby. I can get it tighter. I can get it tighter. I can take the turn a little bit around that corner and I can, I swear to God, I can get a quarter second shamed off.

I can't wait for that because didn't you seen? Have you guys seen any of it? No, but like, didn't they say it was going to have a VR component? Yeah. Holy smokes, really? Yeah. Right now I'm playing, I can't, what's the name of the? Drive Club.

Drive Club. That's actually, it's actually pretty good in VR. Like, it's not awful. Yeah. It's pretty good, but GT always, there's a polish to those games that is like well above other racing games, in my experience. Yeah, I agree. But the last one had so many issues with just the timing of there were so many other racing games that had sort of superseded it. I mean, it's the gold standard, right?

That was the gold standard game. For me as a kid, like, that was it. And then it got really wonky. So it has to be amazing, I think, to get people back. is my reason? It has to be amazing. To do, I mean, Fort's a Horizon,

if you're, I don't know if your Horizon guy or, I mean, those games are incredibly deep now and really a lot of fun. This game's gonna have to come strong if they're gonna. I mean, I think they will.

But they got a big Asian market. It's so weird that it's falling off because it used to be their best selling franchise all the time. And it's still, don't get wrong in terms of units sold, but it's just like one of those games you don't see.

Roper used to be so obsessed with it. I knew people who were obsessed with Grancher, Now I don't. I mean, Gratrizmo used to be a thing that even if you don't play it. Dude, it was a system seller. I mean, there, that was.

Grisdorismo three was an event. So when it's four. It's supposed to be this. It's supposed to be 2017. And in the predictions episode, I was like, I see that getting pushed to 2018. Colin, I was like, really?

Like, but I'm like, I could, I could totally see it coming out this year. I can also see it getting pushed. Because it's, aren't, isn't every grandurismo? Isn't every grandurismo? Like, I don't believe.

But they're worth it. Yeah. Grinchism V got pushed so far that they released. Prolog. There you go. Here's something to fucking play. Dude, and by the way, that, like, when you saw that game, it was kind of like a little bit

of what's going on with Mass Effect now. Like, they clearly seemed like they started it on a different engine or technology that may have been a little bit older. When that Grand Tarismo came out, it looked like it was five years old. It looked terrible. Yeah.

Right? It was just like an old game by the time it came out. Man. So there was no damage. Remember, that was always the problem. Right. They finally patched in damage, but it wasn't that much damage.

You're like, dude, you've been, lapped. Did I even, I was, I was one of these idiots that even had like the wheel. Oh sure. I was all about,

you should see Kevin Sled. Dude, I was out in my garage, like I built a whole freaking thing with a wheel on it. Check out our closet. You go out. I love it.

The VR closet. Yeah, you should put on the VR closet. Like I had this giant fucking two by four plywood with the wheel mounted in it. And like that's about as geeky

as I could get. It's amazing. I'll show it to you. Seven minutes in heaven with Kevin Coella. Oh my Lord. Not as good as the picture or as I call it. Paul is hell.

Yeah. All right. Rounding out Sony. Yep. Anything we're missing? Any final shot? Any big studios that we don't know what they're doing? Expect the unexpected.

Anything can happen, right? In the way that the fact that they, nobody saw Spider-Man coming and that that team who's making those deals happen is still over there making those deals happen. And they understand D3 and they understand the climate and they want to keep winning. We think they kill it. Do we think they come out? I totally think they kill it. Oh, yeah.

My thing is... In the strength that they've got right now, they're going to come in with just like... And they killed PSX as well. Yeah. That thing is like, they know what the hell they're doing. I don't think they can top it though. I don't, I, I didn't think they could top 20, whatever the year before, but like, but the year dreams won. But I mean, coming out with that orchestra and having that, like the presentation.

Oh, Mr. Caffeine. And the LED wall that also was an LED floor. Like just from a sheer event level, that was on an, like, you can't beat it. There was no filler. There was no fat. There was no, I mean, it was just, I don't remember who the, the, the, the, the, the, the, lead guy, was it Andrew or somebody? Andrew House?

Andyhouse? Sean Lane? It was perfectly scripted, choreographed. It was just, yeah. What will be interesting, what I want to know about is, do they talk about PlayStation VR? Is there any talk of PlayStation VR of like in a consequential way of like, here's what, here's how it's sold, here's the new games we're putting out for it? Or is it just like it's in a sizzle reel as always and it's like, me, I think, I think they

have to, don't they? I mean, that's what we said years before. Remember, there was that time where I'm like, they're going to spend up to 20 minutes talking about they came on and did three and a half and I was like, what the fuck? Well, okay, speed of that, final thing, hardware.

Do we see anything? No. None. No price cut. Oh, I thought you meant like new hardware. I'm my apologies. There's anything involving hardware. I think they'll talk a little bit more.

I mean, I don't know. The pro again, I don't know what the sales have been and if it's what they thought it was going to be. But if Microsoft is going to do a big chunk of Scorpio, they have to do something on hard. I mean, that's a really,

I would argue that they don't. I would argue that the way to win is just stay away from it. We're already there. Games, games, games. We're good. Yo, if you want Slim, you want the pro, they're out there to play our amazing games.

Did I mention we have a great library? Did I mention there's many more things coming out? And Salt and Sanctuary on Vita this week, I think. Yes. Have you played that? God, I love that game. No, I was waiting for it to come to Vita. That game is awesome.

All right. All right. Final topic of the day. Nintendo's conference. Is it going to be a conference? That is, I think that's the, the biggest question right now. I think I'm going to do direct. The switch. So will they do the direct with the treehouse act? I feel like there'll be a tree house no matter what. The tree house live

stream all day. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Do they do the direct? Do they do a live in person press conference? I do nothing. They do live in person press conference. Really? Ooh. What do you think? I think they do. I think they kind of, I don't know. I think they kind of have to. I think they do a direct and I think that is the best decision they can possibly make. Yeah. I am all about hype and I I love being in the room. Yeah. And I love seeing people cheer. And I love the awkward audience interactions.

They're the only ones you can get that weird. Right. Yeah. Like even like even when it fails, there's still something charming about it. And like having people come out on stage. There's definitely a show. Charming failures. There's a showmanship.

With Tim Giddies. To, to be there and and to have Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo next to each other on that level. Yeah. Having said that, we saw what they did with the Japanese conference. And that was unacceptable. We've seen what you have to offer. And,

and, uh, when it comes to. American press conferences for Nintendo, they've had better ones. And Reggie is good at that stuff. But in order for us to get a Nintendo-style press conference like Sony did last year, I think the directs the best bet, which is just games, games, games, games. And we saw it with Nintendo's recent direct for the indie presentation.

Like, give me that. That's the thing is like I feel like as somebody who now, it has a horse in the race, like loves his switch, is super ready for card, blah, blah, blah. I am now excited for a Nintendo direct that speaks to me.

And is Reggie, what's up everybody? Welcome to our Nintendo direct for this. And we've had such success with the Switch and we're working on the supply problems.

And they're not playing catch up. They're playing from a little more of a position of strength. Exactly. We've heard what you like about the Switch and we're so excited with it

and let's go through all these announcements of cool games. Here's a look more at the online features we're trying to sell you come soon, I guess. Let's do that. Let's announce a few different

JoyCon colors or some bullshit like that. Like, let's have this cool thing celebrating this thing that was actually awesome. Yeah, I mean, Mario Odyssey obviously is going to be featured. I say that they start the show with it. I think that should be a totally easy like we already know this is coming. And they end it with Meshro. Boom. And they said December on Mario. Do we say holiday? Holiday. Holiday. I believe it. I think you guys are crazy. It's not that I think it's going to get delayed. It's that I'm saying it could very possibly get delayed. I don't know. I'm not betting my I'm not betting against them yet. It is just that thing of I've seen this happen before with other developers. I've seen it on Nintendo. I don't. As far as far as. As far as. I'm not. I'm not betting. I'm not. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Mario has never been delayed. Like, the Mario games have hit their mark.

So that, right, there's the, there's been the bundled Mario games, which obviously aren't delayed because they were in consoles. Yeah, I don't know. Or like, even just like, like, not bundled, but launch title games. Right, right. Like, I don't think either the galaxy games were- Galaxy both came out as, I mean, everyone thought that Galaxy 1 was going to come out closer to the Weas launch, but like, they didn't say that.

They didn't keep pushing it back, right? We talked earlier about how strange Nintendo's development is, because, it's so secretive in a funny way. They don't, they don't do what a lot of other developers do from like a show as they go. I mean, that's why Zelda to me is so unbelievable is that, that game had to have been in development for,

God knows how long, as big as that game is and as complicated as that game is. And none of us saw it. Really? I mean, you saw pieces, but not, I mean, I could have never predicted that that was what that game was going to be. I mean, ever,

sure, ever. Does Mario go down that similar thing where they're just not going to show much of it? it and they're going to keep it real simple. It's Mario. They don't need to show a lot. But they've got this big weird gap now that I think, you know, they got to, they have to.

They got to fill. They really do. Again, the Nintendo cycle begins. How long until your switch gets dusty is the question. And immediately, now that I am, quote, unquote, done with Zelda, like, I'm already moving on to other stuff. And there's been a lot of fun little anything. Snake bass.

Snake that's a great. I just beat Shovel Night Specter of Torment, and it is fantastic. Is it good? Yeah. So I haven't checked out. I didn't realize that it was a, it's a full new game. It's a prequel.

Oh, I didn't know that either. I thought it was just another piece of like the last, the second one. The Shepackaged thing. Shulunite, um, plague that the plague guy,

whatever the hell's name is. Plague, uh, was it, maybe it was plague of torment and Spectre of, whatever. The first DLC pack, it was just a re-skinned,

um, Shovel Knight with the different character, like, character movement. Different colors. Spectre Night is straight, all new levels. No shit.

I had no idea. Or, like, remixes or whatever, but like, it's a new game. Graceful Explosion Machine next week. Yep. But, okay, go ahead. So we got, we got all of these little games coming and that's great.

But Snake Pass is out, it's multi-platform, so that's not a just true Nintendo. Still, it's still as long as I count it because it's something to play Nintendo. No, no, no, I know. I'm just saying as the, what they're messaging about needs to be on the switch. Yeah. There's a few of those that. But my thing, my thing with Snake Pass is it is a perfect example of a game that could be on all systems, but people want to play it on the switch.

Absolutely agree. doesn't get dusty. Right. Like they just need consistent games that people are like I would rather play this on the switch. So they need those. But I think they need a lot more than that, right?

And I think that when the Nintendo cycle comes of the people that want to believe that this is going to be the best thing ever, get the best thing ever in the form of breath of the wild, now my mind's racing of Mario Odyssey's going to be fucking crazy. Right, right, right. And it's like, that's scary. That's not a good thing to go into a Nintendo anything

with. To go in anything Nintendo with expectations usually blows up in your face. I mean, because Nintendo, the Switch commercial, when they first showed the announcement of what it was, I was like, hell yes. Right. They're fucking nailing it. They announced the Nintendo conference. I'm like, oh, this is, I'll never forget being with Kevin and New York.

Like, Kevin, this is it. Yeah, yeah. They're going to do Sony's last E3 conference, but for Nintendo. And then they messed it up so bad. So that's why with this E3, they fucked it all up. And if this Mario is what Zelda. was. That could be huge, right? Will we get Metroid? Will we find out what retro is working on? We better. We better. I think they have to. I think that the challenge that they have,

and maybe this isn't totally fair, but I think if dust does collect, you know, figuratively, the Wii U comparisons will come hard at them very quickly from a lot of different places, right? Because that's kind of where things kind of got off the rails was like, okay, and I played Zelda. It's this amazing experience. But if dust starts, that slide happens fast. And getting people back, back is going to be a problem. I think they have to keep hitting us with little. Even if I say little, I mean, when is cart?

Card is April 28th. The day before my daughter's birthday. Kind of funny games. It's the day after one. 27? No kidding. I'm a 29th guy. Oh, man.

Torres. Yeah, yeah. The bull. But no, I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think switches are going to get dirty. I do think it is this fact of the matter that right now, the Nindis is such a great move because it is the antithesis of the Vita. Nintendo can't do what Sony did and just be like,

no more AAA games for this thing. There's always going to be a AAA game on the horizon. And I think that the fact we're all excited about it, the fact we're playing it, the fact that literally I have Snake Pass on my PS4 and I have it on the Switch, and tomorrow on the plane, I'm going to be playing it on the Switch.

That's where I'm going to play Snake Pass, and then, as I've said before, hopefully get really good at a comeback and platinum it, but I don't know if I actually will, but I'm going to play it there and that's how a lot of games that Mr. Shifty Graceful Explosion Machine

it's going to be that all these little games I want to pick off. But isn't it going to have to be those so like the thing that I think about a lot is and you think of again the complexity of these big games and the hardware required to run them

yeah. How limiting is that going to be for them over time when it comes to third party stuff and also is it only going to be the snake passes of the world? Because like I told you guys earlier I travel a ton for work,

a ton way more than I would ever want to. I'm looking forward to traveling now for the first time in plane rides because I got a little issue with can I can I plug it in if it doesn't can you keep your switch going without losing battery even when it's plugged in some of those things you need enough power like some of the planes don't have oh it's killing me like it actually keeps the flight down here I got a anchor battery you should you should check out yeah um anyway but so is it going to limit them though because they're going to get into this weird like oh all we can do is snake passy kind of games and if there's not a

enough of them out there. There's not enough of those kind of games. That's the thing is there are enough of those games. I honestly believe that Nintendo doesn't need third parties to be successful. It needs third parties to be number one. Right. And I think that's a key thing. But if that's not with them.

They're never going to do that. They gave up on that generations ago. And unfortunately, they're just not in that race. But the Wii you failed despite being a Nintendo machine, but not just because of that. The Wii failed for so many different reasons. Yeah. The Switch can succeed being a Nintendo machine.

especially when there's indies to back it up and it just needs a couple key third party games that do work so let's not focus on the massive egg andromaties that aren't going to play What if it E3? I did a Greg Miller. Blizzard's like Overwatch

is coming to Switch Oh dude could you imagine? That would be a game changer Right because graphically I mean Overwatch is incredibly complicated but it's not a technical powerhouse I think you could do it. It's that thing of what do you want

on your switch and I would love to play Andromeda on the go and do all these different things You know and like heaven. But like for me, right now it's playing persona 5 and be like fuck and i want to pack it for this trip because i want to play in the hotel room and it's like that would be awesome on the go but if you jump back i have an

article here on euro gamer right from january yeah january 13 atlas doesn't know whether the new shimmyna dentsi for nintendo switch will head west right and then on kataku from two days ago atlas announced the shimma gama tensea deep strange journey for the nintendo 3 yes like that this isn't the article i thought it was this is what happened i'm googling quickly on a show but they're So Atlas is talking about it recently, about bringing games to the Switch, right? It's going to be where is the audience and what do people want from it.

Well, those games, that to me is a shoeing. Like the third party, we're not talking about the JRPGs of the world. Like those, they've been in Nintendo's camp forever, so they're going to be there. And they're not technically, I mean, even Persona 5 is not a demanding. Persona 5 could work on the 3. It works on the PS3.

It can absolutely work on, right? I mean, it works on a... It's phenomenal, but what I mean is it's not a HDR quality crazy. it, right? Yeah. It could work on that. Right?

Well, here's the other one I was going for. Atlas announced his new Etrigan mystery dungeon, Shimigan Intentee games for three. Fuck, where is this? I swear to God, I saw a movie time. Oh, Greg.

Ah, thank you. Plus a new glimpse at Shimitance for such. So that's the thing is like the switch does have the, at the Japanese conference, they did announce a whole bunch of different games that were like, all right, cool. We'll see them one day. Fire Emblem. 2018.

They talked about. We know this stuff. They said Xenoblade Chronicles 2 coming in this year. And I'm like, that's going to get pushed. There's a chance. this year. I doubt it. I think it's going to be pushed to next year. We're going to see Zelda DLC at E3. I think that's a shoe. I mean, it's got a huge, like even to this day, my kids play

splatoon. Now, granted, there's good and bad with having a game that seven and eight year olds play, but that game, there's a huge community still playing that game. Sure. And I think that the switch is going to give it such a new boost. It's going to give it a second chance. Do you think cart will too? What do you think cart's going to do? Carts such a different, rare instance where everybody loves cart. So having just having cart on a system is going to be, if not a system seller, it's definitely a system like use case where like it's not going to get dust because the switch is about portability playing games with your friends.

Have they said if they are putting out new tracks for or is this a straight up port of the last because their DLC was so good. It's so good. And this is going to have all the DLC and for a lot of people like Greg, this is going to be his first real chance to get to dive into. The D. The DOS games. We did less play. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it's like, I hated the Wii so much that I didn't play it. And the Wii sold so little that people didn't play it. And, like, you go back to Mario Kart. We was a juggernaut. People own that game. The attach rate was insane. Yeah. I really think you are going to see that again here because it's going to be, I have a switch.

I loved Cart in the past. I love Mario Kart 3D or DS. Why not have those experiences again of being at Pax? And yes, you're waiting in a line. You're all playing cart together. We're all going to meet up at a fucking bar and play car together. And like, that is going to be the meet and greet from now on. Absolutely.

So just so you know, that is going to be the meeting green. We're fucking doing it. My thing is that this is the Nintendo Apologist in me. I, as heard as I was from that January conference, I am now looking at it. I'm like, all right, cool. They didn't make the decisions I wanted them to make or I would have made, but they made these decisions. Now, knowing this landscape, what do I feel about this? And now that we've were seeing stuff, now that the Switch is out there, now that we know the buzz that it has,

I'm like, all right, they might have made good decisions in giving the games, announcing the game. announcing the games arms mario cart splatoon mario odyssey and zelda obviously that builds a path through this year where if they nail it with those the attach rate's going to be ridiculous right right now with zelda it's breaking records for attach rate and all that stuff right coming out with mario cart boom that attach rate's going to be there if they push arms the right way

and make it convince people that hey you know what this is worth playing the attach rate's never going to be mario cart or zelda levels but it could be way higher than a new random IP that looks super goofy could ever be. And this is also the thing too when you look at their, what are they calling their store? Their e-shop, e-shop. The e-shop, yep. The fact of the matter is, all right, cool, next week, this week I picked up Snake Pass. Next week, I'm picking up graceful explosion machine.

Next week, whenever Mr. Shifty drops, I'm getting, if I'm buying one week game a week, if Nintendo can say we're putting out one or two games a week, suddenly it's way more enticing to an indie developer to a, uh, I, uh, I, always go back to Ubisoft and Ubi Arts to say, well, shit, why don't we make something like V-AValienhardt? Nobody had that incentive on the WiiU ecosystem, certainly, right? There was none.

And they tried, though. Well, that's the thing, though. There was a lot of great Wii U.S. E-Shop games, and 3DS-E-Shop games, but there wasn't a system in place. No one gave a fuck. By the way, have you picked up your Wii U game pad since this?

It feels like a weird little toy. I like my Wii. I really do like, there's so many good games on there. So many good games. So jumping off of that, yeah, yeah. The WiiU had so many good games. Yeah, it's it.

And that is where we're out right now with this year, where it's like the switch needs to get them, right? The switch, we need to get through this port of mania. Yeah. Because the ports are important. They're very, I agree. On the switch. There's some really good games that never got seen on the Wii U that nobody got. But even more than that.

Yoshi games. Yeah. Forget the, forget the games no one played, like the Captain Toads of the world. The Mario Cards, right? It's great. We can jump right off the gate here with a Mario card game. Now, you asking about, will there be new courses? I don't know.

That's what kind of scares me. I think at E3, it's a shoe when we're gonna get Smash. I think Smash is gonna be announced. I imagine we'll get it. For a quick release, you think? I don't think so. I think that Smash is a game

that they can, even though it's already been out, they can get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, in a perfect world, they're adding a couple new characters and they bring Ice Climbers back. Ice Climbers. Got to get calling in here.

I guarantee ice climbers will come back. But they're gonna, they keep coming out and like announcing new characters throughout the year because there's nothing more hype than Smash Bros. Right. At every direct they do, they can end with,

here's another smash thing. A new challenge. Broder. And then you think Smash will work on the JoyCon? Yeah, it'll be fine. But I mean,

in a perfect world. As a smash guy, I'm not a smash. Add some game. That's a game I wish I. Yeah. GameCube controllers. Shut up and play snake pass, Kevin.

So I like the big buttons. My thing with smash is it's inevitably going to happen. I think Mario Maker is as well as inevitably going to happen. Well, Mario Maker B at E3. That's a bit more of a question mark to me. But those are, I think,

Shewans, they're going to happen sooner than later before next February. They'll all be out. out on the switch. Yep. But that leaves the switch in a weird place where it already has a Mario card, already has a smash, where do they go from there? So it's like, do they keep doing DLC for this MarioCart and keep making new stuff?

Or does Mario Kart 9 eventually come out? And if so, when? Yeah, I think they go DLC. I think they go as good as the DLC was. And it was, I mean, it was fantastic. Like that was the way to do DLC. Like I would have bought up many, whatever they had for that. Never make another Mario card again.

My daughter plays, that's one game. She'll sit down and play separately in the room. room, right? They did that one right. I think they kind of have to to delineate and separate it from the Wii U game. They have to do that. I think they do. I think they have to put out at least another five tracks. See, my whole thing is I think it's you have battle mode. This is the definitive edition. Here's battle mode. Here's all the DLC. Here's dry bones. You are getting things we didn't get before and this is it and that's everything and there's going to be so many people like me that like either liked it. It just didn't play that much of it or didn't play any of the

DLC. This is their gap filler for how many months? I don't know. Well, that's the thing. That is a big question. How many months is it the Gap filler for? Comes out the end of April. So that means that from one month to E3. Yep. From everything they're saying about arms,

they're talking like spring is I think that's the work for, and then summer for Splatoon. And you've played some of those, right? I've played both. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But with arms, like, I'm like, arms could be really good. I think that the maker break for arms is going to be how much they focus on motion controls versus how much they focus on the characters.

If they focus on the characters and give them interesting backstories and make people give a fuck about them and make you think these characters deserve to be in Smash Bros. They have a hit. And is their lasting appeal to it from what you've seen or does it seem a little too gimmicky? There could be. Playing it without the motion controls is awesome. Yeah, yeah. It's a deep fun game in the way that I think Splatoon could be. It's not going to be a Mario card hit.

Just could be another Splatoon. And if they, if Nintendo keeps doing this, like for everyone hate them for just doing Mario and Zelda over and over and over. Here's an example. They're doing something different. something different. Right. Yep. And I just think they need more, like, opportunities to do, to do things like that so that

Splatoons can come out and be played by all new audiences, right? But we still need our Metroids, and we need to get that. And, you know, the thing about Nintendo, too, that God, Zelda is, and you mentioned all the technical stuff in Andromeda, which I'm maybe 10 hours into, and I've seen some really funky. The old Crab Walk. Some really strange stuff. But they release such high-quality, finished product.

I don't see any glitching in anything. I mean, like, it's amazing to me how much they seem to be able to do QA better than other developers do. Like, have you seen anything funky in Zelda? Well, I mean, that's the thing. Nintendo games are polished. They're so polished.

Even on the Wii U. It's crazy to me how polished. As limited the abilities that it was. Like, Mario 3D World, everything about it was awesome. Like, it looked awesome, sounded awesome. Mario Galaxy. I mean, those games are so polished. Like, there's nothing missing.

Star Fox Zero. Mario Power, tennis or whatever the fuck it is. The games were polished. They were just empty and shallow. And I'm not a huge Nintendo fanboy in that sense, but you just have to look at the facts of what, I mean, that stuff just doesn't have that same something. Right.

So with E3, I don't know, man. I feel like this E3 needs to have at least one big punch with a Metroid. Reggie getting punched. Yeah, real hard for Starfax. Just turns out and destroy somebody. But I think it's going to be a lot of points. And I think that that's important for the success of the system.

I think that we got to get all of the Wii U and 3DS ports that we're going to get out of the way. And that will line up this thing to sell the consoles with great attach rates. If they come out with Pokemon stars, which I think they're going to do, and will it be Switch exclusive is the question. And I think the smartest move they can make is make it Switch exclusive. Keep putting all the other games on 3DS. But if you want Pokemon, you got to get a fucking switch. Yeah, yeah. And they still have Sun and Stars.

Sun and Moon to sell them in 3DS if that's where they're trying to do that. Those games are still selling. But those, those Wii U games again, the Captain Toad and the Yoshi games and all of those, those are really good games that a lot of people never saw, right? Just because I think people were kind of down on the Wii U by that point. But there's some really solid Wii U games that came out in there. If I had to go find my Wii U control, I mean, it was sitting in a drawer, I mean, it just was kind of a hassle, right?

That was my fear of like if they lose, if they lose this momentum off Zelda, can they get it back? So we'll see. Yeah, I hope not. I don't think that arms is going to come out before E3, even though that's kind of like the window they're talking about. But then it's like, all, cool. That means that E3, we're guaranteed release dates for Splatoon and Arms, and they'll be soon.

I just want some campy snap in and some. We're going to switch it up. We'll get a whole bunch of that. Japanese stuff. I'm telling you, now that I'm in, now that I'm in for the switch and I'm in on Nintendo, I want a puppet one again. Give me another puppet direct. Ooh, that one.

Remember that one? Yeah. I think it's too soon. Because I watched it. I was like, well, I know, but I mean,

you know. Dude, that was a heavy lift for them. I mean, that thing was like, they put some time and effort into that old puppet show. That was such.

That was such a trip. Like, I think of, bad direct. Every time I see. That was the Star Fox Zero direct. Every time I see something that comes across horrible, I always have this like,

I flash in my head. The people sitting like in a production meeting, I mean, that are thinking of it going, okay, this is going to be fucking great. Nailed it, Bob.

Let's go to lunch. Right. Right. And I'm like, can you be that far off what it really, I mean, because obviously very well-intentioned people had great, what they thought was a great plan. Yeah. And then the thing goes just into complete dumpster. It's like, were you that far off the mark on that? Nintendo has had some of the best E3 conferences of all time.

Granted, most of them were in 2002 and 2006 and two, you know, I'm just naming those, those years. But those were also some of the best of all time for their time. Right. right now we're at a place where between Sony's conference last year even Microsoft's conference last year. Soney's the year before Sony's PSX stuff. We're at a new, a new place, ladies and gentlemen. It's like a whole thing. UK's, Bethes does. They are so good. They are so tight. They're giving everybody exactly what they want. They're cutting the fluff, cutting the bullshit. So it's like, like Ubisoft's last year was not a bad conference. In comparison to other years,

it was a great conference. Sure. Let's look at this game. Let's talk about this game. Let's look at more this game. Well, guys, that seems like you gave two thirds of that could have gone away. You covered all your bases there, guys. Yeah. So, I don't know. I hope that we get a Nintendo Direct. I hope it's freaking awesome.

And again, I do think that virtual console is an important thing to talk about. I don't necessarily think that E3 is the right place. And I bet that we see a direct. What DRM stuff have they solved? Because it looks like they've solved some now because as I go into, it looks like they know some stuff I've bought. It sounds like going to be good. Okay. It's just that for what you've gotten before.

I have no idea how many accounts I have. I have passwords for a Nintendo shop. And then I've got one for Nintendo direct. And I've got one for, I mean, it's crazy. Yep. I have a list of Nintendo what I think are versus I have one Microsoft password. I have one Sony password. I mean, they've got to tighten that shit up.

Yeah, they really do. And it's not rocket science either, right? Some of that stuff is not that hard. No. They got to clean it up because I don't want to buy another fucking version of the same game I've bought 50 times. I know they love it. And I'm an idiot. And you're going to.

I mean, isn't that the irony of it? I sit back and say that and like, well, fuck, if they put it out again, I'm buying it again. What a great business model, right? You got to do it. You got to be part of it, right? Our fans won't even hold us accountable for the same game I've bought 18 times. I'm going to buy it a 19th time. Right, Kev?

Yeah, yeah. But Kevin knows. Well, Tom, this has been fantastic. It has been a great game's cast. This has been a good one. I loved it. You're a fun dude to talk to. I have enjoyed, really enjoyed.

You guys have been incredibly gracious. You know, we planned this. geez, long time ago. I want to say it was like December-ish. And I've always supported you guys, love you guys. You know, what you're doing here really does make a difference, I think, for a lot of people. And really honored you guys. Let me come do it.

You killed it. You killed. You really, really enjoyed doing it. Do you want to pim anything? I got nothing to pimp, man. I'm literally, it's funny. I'm like, I'm living the fans dream, right? Of all the times people sit down and watch the show.

And I can't count the times I've watched it and felt like I was in the room with you guys. Right. It's sort of the appeal of it for me is. people that I, because I don't have people in my everyday life that, that can talk at this level and this depth of what's going on. To be here in person is just, it's awesome. Like, I really, really love the fact that you guys allow this to even happen. Like, you bring fans in to do this is really cool. Dude, you allow this to happen. Your support on Patreon, you're supportive of just watching a show. Thank you so much for me to part of this. You allow us to hire a new editor.

Shout to Andy Cortez. I can't wait to see who that goes. Now we can talk about that. Can't wait to haze them. Oh, yeah. Kevin, get the kind of funny pins. The one thing I will pimp, I'll come on anytime you guys want me to. I'll fly down here. My Nick will come do it. Not that anybody wants to see my ugly mug on this show. You killed it, man. You did a really good job on this.

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