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Episode Date: June 27, 2025

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Yo, what's up? Welcome to Kind of Funny Games cast for Friday, June 27th, 2020. I'm one of your host's blessing at E.O.A. Jr. joining me is LaCroy Poppy. Tim. Ma. Bucon. Gettys. Oh, man, this weekend, Pokemon Go Fest. It's going to be so nice and peaceful. Everybody, don't forget everybody. It's going to be my parade. San Francisco 10 a.m. Come hang out with me and Tim. I'm going to hit level 50. Bless. I'm very excited for you. Officially tomorrow. It's going to be a very exciting day for you. Excellent throws away. I had to do 999.

I am 10 away. It will happen at Greg's parade. There will be a lot of people to celebrate you. That's a great consolation prize. Yeah, yeah. Because remember, bless, this is... Remember everybody. You can buy the shirt,

California.com slash store. Of course. Team, way, what up? This means I get to wear my bomber jacket that I bought a year ago. Oh, are you wearing that tomorrow? Well, I'm not yet. I will wear it when I get level 50.

because once I get a little 50, I unlock the jacket at the game. I'll put it on my avatar, and then I will have Greg put it on my back. I like that. Nothing going on with that plan. Wow, of course, that's WWU legend to Greg Miller. Hello, Blessing, how are you? I'm doing well. I do like seeing that belt.

I'm happy to have it. I didn't want to play it out before the parade. So I'm happy that here we are, parade tomorrow, 10 a. And the biggest thing happening, kind of fun of this weekend. Very excited for it. It reminds me there was a few weeks ago where Rainierden attacked John Cena and took the belt and then, like, pose with it. And I like, I had the moment where I was like, man, that, looks so good on Randy Orden.

I'm having the moment right now that I'm like that belt does look good It's meant to be with me You know what I mean? You have like a specific pose that you do? I feel like every rest of that has like a pole

Well my favorite thing about the belt Uh huh That we don't talk enough about Is that it's broken in I hate when you see the straps At a WWE event Somebody bought the replica belt But it's just out of the bag

Yeah And it just doesn't flop This one has such a good This has got like This stone cold movement to it that I love Yeah It's a great belt I'm happy it's home

Are you bringing it tomorrow? Of course I'm bringing it tomorrow You know what I mean? Tomorrow? just for tomorrow. Just from 10 to noon during the meet and greet slash parade, right?

This belt is more important than Ben. Okay? This is what I need to worry about and keep my eye on. All the other dozens of kind of funny best friends, you keep your eye on Ben.

I'm not busy about that. This is what I got to worry about. Thank you, this is the jacket that I will be adorning my... Does it have those same patches on already? It does. Awesome. Yeah.

That's a really cool thing. Oh, yeah. Not as cool as this. But I mean, the fact that Pokemon Go has that kind of like, hey, game when you get this thing you buy it too that's cool pretty cool they also know how to make money very well yes 100% remember this is the kind of funny games cast each and every weekday we get

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After this, Mike and Roger are embarking on the biggest stream kind of funny has ever done. They'll attempt to play the entirety of death training to you while Mike go step for step with Sam Porter Bridges on a treadmill, with a couple of surprises that might change everything. With your support, they're determined to make it past KHG on Monday. And, of course, order a lot of food exclusively on Twitch.tv slash kind of funny games. It's going to be insane. The things that they have planned, I don't know everything, but I do know a lot. And my God, you guys are going to want to just not do anything this weekend unless you're in San Francisco and then you go to the parade.

But if you're not in San Francisco, just stay tuned to Twitch all weekend long. They have some shenanigans and a half planned. I have a shenanigans plan for them. Oh, great. I'm going to be during this handing them an envelope. And it will be very specific of open when you're the most vulnerable. okay that's scary yes it is

that's really scary I don't know how you know okay Greg what are the details of the parade for tomorrow at 10 a.m. ferry building tomorrow on the Embarcadero

we will gather outside I have made some signs as you may have seen on games daily I encourage you to make your own signs and bring those as well they can either celebrate me

or boot him I will meet outside at 10 o'clock and then we will walk the Embarcadero with I have a speaker I'm gonna bring so I can play some music

I'm gonna play list I haven't built it You know, we'll see what I'm feeling. It's, you know, what's the vibe? You know what I mean? Are these kids here to party or they just here to worship? I'll accept to either. Yeah.

I'll say, I would think I'd get low by little John could help set the mood. Yeah. Like something high. What I'll probably do is do one of those things is open up to Spotify where people can put in their own songs. Oh, I like that. So we can go and then you can all be part of it. But yeah, 10 o'clock in front of the ferry building.

We'll pose. We'll take photos. I'm sure the mayor will show up. I've tagged him in a few of these posts. I've tagged 100 pence. I'm sure he'll show up. Sure. Then, yeah, we will walk the Embarcadero

two square pie guys down on Beach Street where we will get some pizzas and we will hang out. We have a great time. That's funny you're talking about walking because me and Roger are going to be doing some walking here. Yeah, we finished that housekeeping.

We did that before we put it over. It's the most important thing of the weekend, okay? There might be a three-time champion here, but this man, I mean, look at this beast right here. Watch out. I've walked. That could have ended the stream right there. That could have been the end of the stream.

Okay. You see this donut blest? I'm going to go fuel up with some in and out right now before I go do this, okay? Well, if you're going to get in and I'll get me so. But also think about ordering a pizza. Roger, why aren't all the donuts chocolate? It's chocolate. We love you.

Tune in. Oh, yeah. I got 12 donuts and she was like, what do you want? I'm like all chocolate for Mikey. You know what I mean? Because Mike, that's all he likes. That's all he likes. What are you going to, what do you want?

Vanilla? I want a regular glaze donut. There's a regular glaze in there. Not anymore. Oh, that's on him. You guys got to fight. You nerds got to fight. There's like six chocolates in there.

That's how world. Yesterday on his Instagram story, Roger shared private messages between him and Mike Howard. Mike texted Rowerd and Howard Howard Howard Howard, Howard, Howard, Howard, Roger. And said, it's crazy because tomorrow I prove to the world and myself that I can do really anything. Then a new text message. Next time I might free solo a mountain or like write a book. Next message.

really anything I want. That's the kind of humor. You have to stop and that's what I will be doing with my Monella envelope. Thank you very much. Mr. Hawks writes in with the super chat and says, can't believe Tim is trying to take parade day away from Greg by focusing on some jacket. Have you no shame to him?

Sit down. Be humble. Mr. Hawks, you know. You play Pokemon. You know the importance of this moment. You know the time and more importantly money that I've spent to make this happen. And then Resluid writes in with the super chat and says,

Greg, steal the jacket and put the belt in the jacket on the line. Winter takes all. Pelt of the jacket. Great gets my level 50. You shouldn't even put that out there. That is insane work. I did when he said that,

come up with a different idea that I'm going to work on while you keep doing your house. There you go. Great. And then on Monday, Tim is premiering his wedding. Finally.

Yeah, it's been a long time coming. The one year anniversary of my wedding is this Sunday, which is insane. And then Monday is my birthday. And it makes more sense to put content out on work days. So we're doing that.

Monday. It'll probably, if you all support the way I expect you, uh, will be during the death standing, death standing marathon stream, but the, this will be on YouTube. That'll be on Twitch. This will also be a VOD you can watch later. But it is the fully edited wedding, including, uh, Greg's speech, Nick speech, like all the speeches, um, and the performances, like so it's the, the ceremony that somebody all got to see live when we were live last year, but then also Cisco performing, Tonda performing and all the other extra stuff. It's about an hour 45 total.

the last 45 are like the speeches and stuff that if you don't want to have to sit through all of them you don't need to but they're there for you if you want to and it's going to be a ton of fun I worked very hard on this and I can't wait for you all to see it hell yeah if you're kind of funny member what days tomorrow for Pokemon people

Pokemon Go Fest Thank you. Day one today's Gregway is all about which era of gaming Greg is in thank you our Patreon producers Carl Jacobs Omega Buster and Delaney Twining today are brought to you by

All right are you trying to get this same bomber jacket that Tim's getting. Don't worry about I'm doing it around. I'm not, I'm like trying to get into Greg's brain where I'm like, what could he be trying to do right now? Yeah. Today, I'm Rodney by Cash App and Mood, but we'll tell you about that later. For now, let's start with Topka of the show.

What fuck was that? Why is that a button? I literally was like, have I been gone from the show where that's the new Tots noise? What was that, Kevin? I was, uh, I was, uh, pausing the IG. end video that auto plays. And instead it made the volume go up and that was the intro. Because that was kind of a jam.

I kind of like that as the topic of the show jam, but okay. Today's topic of the show is the shit list. Of course, the shit list is a special segment of games cast where I go online. I find a top 10 list. I bring it back to the panel and we judge it for your amusement. Today's shit list is every Hideo Kojima game ranked. A shit list title so tantalizing. that Greg, who usually isn't like a shitless guy,

was like, I'm going to be on this one. We're going to break us down. Yeah, you guys usually do shitless and they're great. I love these episodes. So I'm excited to finally be on it. Thank you very much, Tim. I know you don't like giving me the small line. You know what I mean?

But no, usually you're doing like, you know, Mario games. What, you know, they're shitless that you guys are doing are very much about your games and your nostalgia and this, that the other, which, of course, many times aren't mine. But I mean, Kajima, come on. So this is fresh. Of course, Death Training 2 just came out. This list is from IGN and got a lot of people tagging us

in this one of like, oh, you got to do reaction, you got to do reaction. Every Hideo-Ko J-Mo game ranked is the name of the IGN list. It is written by Matt Kim at IGN. It was posted June 20th, 2025. I think it is very safe to assume that Death Training 2 doesn't make this list because this is before the Enmars. So every Kojima game ranked. Every Kojima game ranked.

This means most likely it's IGN. They do their homework. So I imagine this isn't just every Kojima game you know of. You know, it's not just the Metal Gear's and Death Stranding one. It'll also include Boktie. I was going to say thank you. I was Googling Cojima game sunlight.

Now we don't Google on this show. You gotta put away. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no. Well, to get the name of the game is all I'm Googling. I'm well aware of the game that you did the sunlight from Regina. It was a big deal.

I just want to make sure I had the right thing. Be careful around there. I don't know what the top of the dome. Psychonauts, not psycho not. Police knots. And then, uh, snatcher. Snatcher. Snatcher. You're looking at the chat.

You're telling me I can't Google. He's staring at the fucking chat. I was doing a fucking thousand mile gaze over. over there, okay? I was like trying to close my mind. Wait, so it's police knots, box high, and then old's new one? Snatcher. Snatcher. I don't know snatcher. I've heard the other two. I'm going to assume snatchers at the bottom. Having not known snatcher. Sure. Tim, what are you, that's, what are you thinking right now? I wonder two if like,

well, those are the oldest games too. I don't know how. Well, they're not, right? Because we have, we have Belgear. Like the older. Right, right. Right. Well, shit, fuck you're right. I don't know if they're going to include multiple versions because there's the NES one and then there's the MSX one. And they are, they'll put that under one. You think? I do. There's no notable differences. But I'm pretty sure they're big notable differences.

I could be wrong about that too. So we got two Metal Gear 1, Metal Gear 2. Do you have you guys play? I remember playing the original Metal Gear on like NES, but I never. I never completed it. I never, I didn't even get far. I was so into solid that yeah, I went back on Faf. Shout to Faf's NES.

He had it. And I was like, oh shit. And I borrowed the whole thing and played. I dropped off. And the collections have had him again. Yeah. It's the same thing you started up. It's like, eh, I really don't need to do this.

Pretty sure the metal do solid three. subsistence came with the MSX versions. So many of the Chats says there are three Metal Gears. Is that true? Well, because I'm pretty sure, I might be wrong about this. But I think on the MSX there's Metal Gear 1 and then Metal Gear 2, Solid Snake. Yeah. And then on NES, I think one of them is the same.

And then there's a second one that's like a different game. Really? But I definitely, definitely could be wrong about that. I just feel like there was enough difference between them. I don't know. Someone's going to have to correct us here. has two versions, Chad is saying. Interesting. Okay.

Yeah, okay. So maybe I'm right. I like that we're starting with all, like, all the games around the edges before we get to like the core stuff. Because then what are you about to say? Well, I just want to make sure we're not missing anything here. Because obviously there's Metal Gussaud, one, two, three, four. Mm-hmm. Beast Walker. Um, but there's a couple that I just don't know if you worked on it on. Did he work on Ghost Babel? The Game Boy Caller. No, I don't think he did. Did he work on acid? No, I don't think he.

did that one I'm less confident in. Do you, can we read that, can we read, can we read the lead to, no, he didn't work on revenge. It might have been like he signed off. He gave his blessing, but can we read the lead? Can we read the lead? Okay. Here, let me open up the article from Matt.

I was going to say Matt Piscuitalum. Matt Kim. With the release of Desrating 2 on the beach, Hideo Kujima enters his fourth decade in game development as a director. While the celebrated Autour has spent the majority of his career, so far working on the Metal Gear series, Destrating 2, sees him expanding upon his newest universe,

where he both introduces new concepts and revisits some of its most enduring ideas. With the truly staggering list of credits in his impressive resume, there's no better time to revisit every genre-defying adventure, Kojima has taken us on. Here's every Kojima game that he is, that he directed or designed, ranked from worst to best. Okay. Directed or designed.

So, Chad's calling out that he was executive producer on acid and gave his blessing on So like, yeah. I say we leave those out. Producer on Ghost Babel. Yeah. Because I think he's producer on anything that has Melody. Yeah, no, I wouldn't put those in there. Zone of the Anders.

Zone of the, yeah, that's where I was going to take it. I'm typing these things down. We can, I don't, it's the weird thing of, I don't have much opinion about the arrangement of these games that we're listening so far. We'll just get them there. Zone of the Enders, one and two. Would it be possible to see how many titles are on the list without spoiling it for yourself? Kevin, could you check to see how many number, or how many, like, what's the first number?

12. 12? Okay We must be close Well I just typed down Seven games And that doesn't even include the second Metal Gear 2 Which might not be here

There's no way Because then we're talking about five Metal Gear solids We're talking about Peace Walker right Does Ground Zero's count as a separate thing? I would count ground zeros as a separate game It came out like a year before Fane and Pain God it was so good

Ground Zero's? Yeah that was a fun one we must be missing, we must be doing, there's something off with this list, but there's only 12. What was his official title on Zona Vanders? That is a good question. That's where I think we really start getting into like,

what are we talking about? Yeah. All right, well then let's lock into like what we know are going to be the main ones here. Yeah. So we got the Metal Gear Solid franchise and we have the Death Training franchise and we have PT.

I think those are the three pillars. Those are the three main pillars of Kojima. Yeah. Wow. A lot of games. games. How many were on the list? 12.

Oh, shit. What do you guys think? Do you want to paste down? I'm below you typing stuff in. I can toss in the rest for you. Oh, yeah, sure. What do you guys think they go for top three? I think Mellier's solid three is in there.

I mean, let's have this conversation first. Uh-huh. Is Death Stranding top three? No. No. Because I feel like where we place Death Stranding is going to. PT? Top three.

Really? I think so. We're guessing IGN's list. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think it's complete enough. Dude, if Destrating, here's the thing. If Descrating 2 was out by this list, I would say Destrating 2 is top 3.

Descrating 1 is not top 3. Destrating 1 might not make it above any core Metal Gear solid. And we said there was 12. 5. Yeah, PT, I love it. And it definitely was like a cultural moment. Yeah.

But I don't, you can't put that above so many of the Metal Gares. And you put it above five? I know personally I don't think personally I wouldn't put it above five any of the metal are solid but I think IGN could

That's my thing I think IGN could put it above five I know Matt Kim I've talked to Matt Kim Got really great hair and glasses I could see him being one of those guys One of those guys I think PT is one of those ones

Where they're gonna want to make a statement Yep Yeah I think that's one of They're gonna get headlines of us talking about it Now graded it's a full Kojima list And so like You put PT above Well now you have to

self is it? I mean, 12 games on the list? We have at least 15. Is there one below that? No, 15 is what we've listed right now. Again, I don't know what we've been. I don't know zone of the enders well.

That's my thing is I think you end up cutting, maybe we don't know something about the direct, director for like zone of the enders or something. But I think at the very least, like PT is going above the Metal Gear's, metal gear games, like the OG Metal Gear games. Yeah. I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

What about, Boktai, I don't, I remember it. I never played it. I didn't like it. But he, but he, was director on that, right? That was a big deal, right? Yeah. I want to say, yeah. I remember it was, I remember it being I was such a Metal Gear guy and then Game Boy Advance

he, he's doing this thing that involves sunlight. It's funny because I feel like Zoning the Enders, one was him, but that two wasn't directing. And I don't know why I think that. Two's better than one. I can tell you that. So we could rank it that way. For Zone of the Ender? Yeah. Fair enough. We got our first

confident placement here. Here's what I'm trying to think. are the top five just metal your solid is one through five or is there a wrench in there see i think that's why pt's going to be up there yeah i think mac kim would have stepped back taking a drag off his long cigarette he's got a really cool cigarette i don't know if he smokes like i got to make this cooler i personally i think the reality is betterly solid one through five should be one through five i say that as not a death i agree so if you guys want to fight you mean them in order no just as far as like they all

The order, I think that obviously is going to be the bulk of this. I mean, fucking Peace Walker should be higher than some of these Metal Gear Sh tossing out there. Yeah. Well, I know you feel that way. I do feel the way. I'm right. IG and scores agree with crazy. Oh, I mean, well, then you get into my personal preferences.

But I mean, like, but I mean like, P.T. is going to be higher than Peacewalkers. Here's what I would say that's going to be a bold statement. A lot of people are going to want to bite my dick off about it and go for it. I don't care. I'm the champion. See you tomorrow. I bite it at San Francisco. Metal Gear Solid 5 is an incomplete game.

We all know. We know how great it. it is and how amazing it is and all these different things. But all the systems you loved of Metal Gear Solid 5 are in Peacewalker, and it has an actual amazing story. So that's why I would, right there, I'm going to throw Peacewalker above five. Thank you, blessing. Listen.

I love five. I love these games. Yeah, but five had it had it, though. You know what I mean? Wait, did we separate ground zero or, uh, yeah, ground zeros from. I think when we're talking about 12 games at IGN, they're not separating these. I think we're wasting our time. That's a mistake we're not separating them.

Call Matt came right now. Get them to stop by these fancy cigarettes. But he's so fancy. He doesn't even have a phone. You have to call someone else to talk to MacGam. You know what I mean? He's drinking liquor out of a plum right now. Yeah,

the problem with the Metal Gear games is it very much is such a personal thing that, like, as long as none of the games are incredibly low on the list, it's like, all right, I get it. What do we think is number one? That's a good one. Three. Oh, fuck, you're right. Yeah, it'll be three.

It's got to be three. I'm going to stay with my heart and say one. I'm going to stay with my heart and they say one. Yeah. Matt can be a bro. It's going to be three. three. What do you think? If we're saying three, what's number two? If you're three and one, I think are the top one and two. So whatever. See, I think one is, well, I'm thinking of my list, right? Out of the core

metal of your solids, one is the lowest on my list. You're an 80. One is the lowest in my list. It's innovative. It's the same way that we talk about Super Mario Brothers, the first one, where like, it did something. It was impactful. It was innovative and all this stuff. But like, all the other ones just were better, dude. They were, better. Better stories. Two? Yeah, two is better than one. I think two's gonna be number two is better than one. Two is not gonna be number two.

I also think my shoe on it too. I feel like. I think that game has aged really well. Yeah. I have a great game. Wait, stop. Please let him bet his shoe so he can't wear for the rest of the day. Just one. Betting this blue shoe. Yeah, I think I think it goes three, two,

five. I think it goes one. The IGN list. I think, yeah, I think the IGN list goes, yeah, 3, 2, 1. And 321, then it gets weird between 5 and 4, because they both have, I think, separate flaws. I think it's 3251. You think they put 5, well.

See, I think it's the great thing. I think the love for the gameplay of 5. Like, the gameplay of 5 is so amazing. It is. That I think that, like, it gets that extra boost. But I think there's just too much to knock and because I think the problem with this and where this conversation gets, tough at this part is that we're talking about

five tens in my opinion, right? Like when I say that one is at the bottom of my list, I still love one. Like one, I think is still a fantastic game. It's just we're comparing masterpieces to each other. Yeah, for sure. And I do think that with time

like to look back at all of these games, I almost feel like all of them age better. Like I think that we're even more fond of all of them than we used to be. But I think when we're talking about my, I think your prediction too, right?

From going from three as number one and then two right under it, I think two has aged better than any, like than any of the older games in Kojima's catalog because of the subject matter. Like you go back and play two and your fucking mind is blown by how a he was and all that shit.

I think we've talked about that enough on the internet as far as like how predictive Kojima is that I think two over time has just gone up the rankings. Yeah, but it's still not three. Not, yeah, it's not three. Three. People see three as kind of the best of both worlds in terms of mastering the gameplay of the old school style and also a standalone story. Yes.

That is standalone amazing, but also when you add it to the grander mythos, also amazing. And the boss fights. Pretty much all the things that Metal Gear is known for, three just does. Even though we said this a million times, like I'm not a three guy. Like three would be the bottom of my list of the. There you go. That's crazy. That's crazy.

That's crazy. That's crazy. That's got taste up here. You know what I mean? You can't win a game. show down to save his life. But I can't wait. I can't wait for Delta. I'm hoping that I like refresh my, the blessing thing of what we're talking about a bunch of tens. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like you're, I love this argument because you're talking about games that I fucking love all these games. But it's like which one do I love at least. You know what I mean? You're doing some type and you're doing some thing and over there. I was trying to snatch. Yeah. When we really start getting into it like when we're, oh, beyond arguing what's going to, I'm going to do here. What are they going to do there? I can't keep that all in the noggin. So I had to start jotting it down. Chris Angette's. me, that's crazy, Tim. I get it.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And I know, but like the reality is, and this has always been true, I like solid snake better than I like Big Boss. This fucking guy right here. I'm probably big boss. That's my guy. I'm right there with you, Tim.

So yeah, for me, for my IG and guess, again, I'm trying to get in the head of Matt Kim. I'm smoking the cigar, drinking the plum. Number one, Metal Gear, solid. Number two, Metal Gear Solid 3. Number three, Metal Gear Solid 2. Number four, Metal Gear Solid 2. Number four, Metal Gear Solid 5.

Number 5, PT. Number six, Metal Gear Sod 4. Number 7, Death Stranding. Number 8. This is Matt Kim speaking. Not Greg Miller. Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker. Number 9, Metal Gear 2.

11, Snatcher, 12 piece, police knots. But honestly, those are interchangeable as games I don't know anything about. I think that those end up higher than the OG Metal Gear's. I think the OG Metal Gear's are probably in the bottom. You think they start the list at 12? I think so. I thought about it. Snatcher, police knots.

Did you ever play them? No. Okay. But they are the type of like cult classic. key games. I just don't know how big those Colts are. Yeah. So I hear you on that. I hear you on that. That's the weird part of this list. I think when you get to the

non-metal gear. Yeah. When you, let's be honest, for all of us at the table, really it starts at Metal Gear Solid, right? Yeah. So I think for us in our knowledge basis in what we do, which is actually fascinating. I should go back and play police knots and snatchers and buck tie. So I've

now made my own list in the way that Greg did as well. Thank you. And I'm trying to predict this. I think for IGN, I think number one is going to be metal your solid three I think number two is going to be mellow your solid two I think number three is going to be metal your solid one I think number four is going to be Ptt I think number five is going to be

MGS 5, 7 Peace Walker, 8, Death Stranding and then the rest I don't really know the ordering but then you have the rest of the games I think Death Stranding is going to be a little higher looking at this like looking at your list blast Yeah you had it at 8 okay I think it'll be higher than Peace

Walker I also think it it I think Metal Gear Solid 4 is going to get hate. Oh, you know what, you're right. That's right. That's running, I think, it's going to be above at least a Metal Gear solid thing. And, yeah. I don't think it's, I don't, I feel like statement-wise, you don't put it at the bottom of those. Yeah.

If you like that stranding, I guess. Four just gets so much hate, man. And I love it so goddamn much. But it is flawed. That's the thing is, like, I get it. I haven't been somebody in chat earlier was like nobody's mentioned four yet. Like, I think the fun thing about predicting an IGN list is, I think an IGN list is probably the closest to popular opinion

at least you would imagine I know sometimes they throw curve balls in there but like for me I'm trying to predict what does the world like what does the audience I yeah

when we do shit list for the different websites and stuff I always do feel that IGNs is the one typically that is the most representative of the most gamers and it also feels like they put a lot more editorial

thought into it so like there's it feels like there's more discussions and more people involved in making sure that they stand by it. So it feels more like official, even though these are just opinions. It's the way where like I, when I think of

like, when I go to a polygon for review versus an IGN for like a video game review, I think a polygon being more like editorial, critical, like you're trying to make statements. Whereas IGN, I think is trying to inform buyers. IJN is trying to inform like public who, like, the wide mainstream audience. And so I think when you're making an IGN list,

you kind of think in that way of like, okay a million people are going to read this how am I going like how do I want to inform a million people what the correct ordering of the Miller games or Hideo Kijima games is going to be Four is my favorite personally

Wow but I understand that it's but I am always a fan of when they pull off the end you know what I mean like like of end game and all that stuff You gotta play DesRating 2 DesRating 2 might be your second favorite I showed him yeah it's so good pretty cool and like you showed him like

you show them like 20 minutes there's like hours I'm like before we get into it is there anything left on the table that we want to talk about any more predictions

I maybe I'll have the egg on my face Greg but I just don't think PT is going to be that high I don't see a world that IGN puts PT above death stranding see I have it oh I like this conversation

because like I think PT has the legend status you know what I mean like it could have changed horror games forever Yeah, like I think there's the what could have, it's like, this is a bad example, but it's like, we hold up Tupac. You know what I mean?

Because like, we, we got those classic albums and then like, we see the potential of like, man, if he was still around, like he could have done this, this, this, this and this. Even though like, Tupac could have released thinkers afterwards, you know what I mean? Like, but he didn't. But he didn't. But like we look, we look back on Tupac and Biggie different. I think PT is a Tupac and Biggie. You're not wrong. You're definitely not wrong.

But I do think that while that's true, death stranding. was for years a game that's like, okay, Kojima, is this really a game? Is this really happening? And then is this really

just deliveries and stuff? And then it came out and people loved it. So it's like, they pulled it off. They pulled off the E ball. They created a new genre. Should we have connected?

The Strand game. The Strand game. I feel like like that, that is kind of like seeing it through to the end in a way that like, I can't believe how successful Destanagic is, legitimately. Yeah,

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what is the context for what you just said we'll talk about all that later we'll talk about all that later fair enough I don't know where he's getting his facts I cannot further I don't know guys

before we get into the list I wonder to get in some super chats real quick JBC 00 says going through death training one right now the first two chapters

were such a slog but I've really come around on it in chapter three hell yeah Raymond writes in and says I have a friend who thinks KJ is pretentious

oh Kojima Kojima is pretentious despite loving most of his games. What are y'all's takes and what should I tell him? One love. What should I tell him? Everything about this is fucking art. I love you so much, Raymond. Here's the thing.

Pretentious, yes. And I think that's the point. Like, sometimes, like, art is only art. Yeah, it's like because it has that level of like, what is pretension, Greg? Like the definition? No, I mean, it's rhetorical. Yeah, no, it's rhetorical. Yeah, and I think that's the point, right?

of like, Hadeo Kajima is regarded in a far different light than most game directors you will ever hear of. And I don't even mean like me, because obviously how many game directors will we all have the pleasure and honor of meeting? I mean, just like the ones you hear of. Like, Corey Barlog is not trying to make a Hideo Kajima game. Hadeo is trying to make a very weird thing every time and a very specific thing down to the kind of energy drink. Sam is drinking and the glasses he's wearing. You know what I mean? Like he is so in the fucking weeds with the project that I think that inevitably makes it more personal and more a Hideo Cajina McGahneman. Yeah. Which again, I think alienates some people who don't aren't used to having someone that up front.

It's the same thing of a Kubrick film or a Scorsese film of like the name meaning something and then you, oh, I don't like Scorsese or I don't like, I don't get Kubrick. Like, yeah. Kajima's trying to make something as you are, it was well reported and run for this. He's trying to make something not everybody gets. Yeah. Yeah, I went to the dictionary.com. I didn't pretentious. Attempting to impress by affecting great importance, talent, culture, etc., then is actually possessed.

Yeah. So that's going to be in the eye of the beholder, whether you think, like his art lives up to what you think his art is trying to live up to you. I mean, the thing is, and this is getting God so into the weeds of the art video games, art and what is art conversation. But I think at a certain point when your art is successful and monetized and then you are making more, after that, it's pretentious to begin with. When you're making, like, creative artsy stuff and not just, like, share product shit, you're still doing something that is coming from a place of, I mean, at that point, the privilege of having the resources and being able to be weird.

And I think that there's a level of pretension there from the jump. I think I'm on the side of that. I don't think I don't think I view Kujima stuff as pretentious, but I totally understand anybody who does, right? 100%. I think his stuff presents pretentious, but like when I play Meligier and when I play Destrating

and when we replayed all the Meligare's, I'm coming out of that being like, no, I believe, he got the stuff. I think he attained those heights, but there are plenty of games that I think that are, Lasas too,

I think is pretentious. But I also love Laszis too. Like, I think there's plenty of art that is in the eye of the upholder to whether you're not, you think that it lives up to the lofty things. But I think sometimes you need to aim high. Like, you need to,

as an artist, believe in like your own ability, sometimes more than the ability you have to like push it in that way. And sometimes it's like, cool, you might have, you might think yourself is better than it actually is.

But because you do, that's still, that gives your stuff quality. I know what I'm saying makes sense. No, it does. It does. Yeah. That's that thing.

I mean, even with our death training review, the parts that I was like, I don't know about this or that. It's this hole, right, that they're making, he's making that I'm like,

well, but I'm arguing myself because I know what they're trying to accomplish in a way when you talk to, Most video games, you don't understand what they're trying to do. Yeah. Jay Robert says,

Kojima games are like a Greg Miller text message made to shock and awe, and not everyone gets it. Sure. Senior Lullaby says, Kojima is the Villanuve of the gaming industry. 2th Street says, M.J.S. franchise, Pokemon, God of War, and Persona, are the games that I wish I could wipe my brain and play fresh.

Those who are new to it are so lucky. I agree with that. And then let's see two more. One more from Rekon, Awesome. He says, I hope Peacewalker is ranked higher than five, five not having a great story really brings it down for me. And then

Demon Hacker says, as a Peacewalker fan, I agree, and maybe the biggest fan, I agree, and I do not think you, that's going to happen, so I wouldn't remember. Yeah, the problem with Peace Walker is, it needs a loud defender. And without Greg in the room, I don't think that it happened. It just, I mean, it was on the PSP. Matt King was too cowardly to call me about it. No matter what,

it always just felt like a side thing, even though it's not. Yeah, but just because it was on the PSP and even just like the way it's been HD remastered and stuff, it always just feels like and this as opposed to like core. For me with Meliarsolid fan and pain, I believe in two things.

One, the story is incomplete and we all know that and we've seen the concept art and shit for chapter three and all that shit, right? And then two, I still think the story is great in Meliger Salt 5. I think there's a lot of really good shit. See, that's where I guess we differ is I do not like the story in 5,

even what's there. I feel like it's messy. I feel like it's more disranding than it is Metal Gear in the sense of it's just, it to me feels just weird for the sake of being weird. Like that whole opening scene, without spoiling it too much. I do not like who characters are.

Oh, we don't need this in the franchise at that point specifically. But that's an interesting point. I guess we kind of get spoiler to a degree. But the way they do everything makes, in some ways, five feel more like a spin-off than Peace Walker feels extra. Yeah, exactly.

And then one more from Demon Hacker who says, Peace Walker's amazing story, dude falls downstairs, AI the boss develops feelings. Snake fights like 30 big, boring mecks. They sing. I need to go back and finish.

I think I played like half of Peace Walker with you. You didn't finish it? No, I never finished it. Yeah. And he busts out the PS3. All right, let's hop into the IGN list. Volume 2's coming, baby, and I'll gladly replay with you.

I mean, I'm down for that. Of course, this is by Matt Kim. It was posted June 20th, 2025 at 8 a.m. Pacific time. Oh, my God. Good to know. Why was he up so early? Starting with number 12.

Number 12. Millet your solid three, no. Police knots. We got police knots at number 12, which makes sense. And number 11, we got Snatcher. Yep, okay. All right. At number 10, we got.

Metal Gear 2. Oh, I nailed it. Solid snake. Which means at number nine. I hated the way that they looked at these games. Yeah. Look at that. Ew.

It's how they looked in the box, right? Yeah. The game is what just right. One day they're going to remake it in 3D you imagine. Well, that's what I was going to be and I was let down. Oh, man. We almost got there. We're so long.

The timeline's missing like just one little, like three year gap. If Konami didn't fuck over or Kijima, we'd be living in a world. We'd be there. Fix it, Konami. And number nine, we got. Oh, Metal Gear Solid for Guns of the Patriots. Like, oh, man, it's only good if you play through all of them. Which means Mel gear.

We all did. The original Metal Gear is above 4. That's fucking crazy. That's crazy talk. It makes sense. Does it? I mean, yeah, I think it does.

Metal Gear 1? Four is my favorite. But like, I don't know. I feel. I'm not going to look ahead. I'm going to scroll. I want to read the blur.

Yeah, did Matt say like how they're ranking it and why they're ranking it? I read all the, I think that was everything you did. Okay, sorry. Yeah, that was everything that I read was before. Every genre Defying Adventure ticket. Here is every game. Here is every game.

ranked from worse to best okay give me a little bit of the reasoning uh metal gear solid four guns the patriots was originally designed to be the finale of the series capping off the solid snake storyline with a bang this mega budget PS3 exclusive was released in 08 and set a technological benchmark thanks to its breathtaking graphics and cinematics snake is back but this time he's aged significantly uh i'm going to skip forward despite being dramatic despite being the dramatic final act in an iconic game series metal game solid four also represented friends Kojima indulging in some of his worst creative tendencies. While the plot ties up a lot of loose storylines and gives Old Snake a hero's farewell,

the majority of cutscenes border on self-parity, including one character's constant need to find a toilet. And Kojima, in general, sees... All right, that's canon. All right, that's fucking canon from Metal Gear One. Johnny. Come on, Johnny didn't take the Gnobes, all right? Kojima seems to focus on his nostalgia for older games in the series, which has an impact on the overall execution of solid, snake's final tale.

Yeah, so I get it. They're making a point. I don't agree with the point. I like the nostalgia, and that's why it's my favorite, but I also am not surprised that it's the lowest one. They also go on to say

there are a lot of big gameplay ideas here that aren't fully fleshed out, perhaps due to technological limitations. Some of these mechanics, like the active camo would finally be refined in Meliger Solid 5. I, here's the thing.

Because I think I had this thought, and maybe we talked with a little bit about this in the Death Raining 2 review, where I think gameplay way the Metal Gear Solid franchise is really interesting because like

I think the third person shooter gameplay of Metal Gear Solid 4 kind of lets it down a little bit but like everything around it does bring it up

for me whereas like gameplay wise it doesn't get better than Metal Gear Solid 5 yeah but like I mean and this is always a hard conversation

to have when we're doing lists comparing them directly but like did you feel that way when it came out because I remember playing this on PS3 and the third person shooting

and I was like goddamn this feels so good and like comparing it to like the entirety of the acting camo of like laying down and like becoming the floor thing it's just like man but I think it's how that interacts with the stealth and then like when I think about the boss fights

I like the spectacle of the boss fights in MGS4 but like they were kind of the same as they are in Destrating too where you're just shooting at these things it's like shooting right or yeah shoot yeah and I also that falls into the conversation we were having right of like does Kajima still have it when it comes to boss fights and the fact that like this is for me the one where it is like

yeah the beauty of the beast but it's like, there was an octopus lady and there was somebody who was like, they had a psychomacus doll. The Beast was the biggest letdown because, like, God,

the coolest name ever, the coolest idea ever. And it's just like, oh, the follow-through of it just was not ideal. Exactly. And number eight,

we got Metal Gear, the original one. Okay. That's crazy that it's a buff one. And number seven, we got Death Stranding. Oh, okay. So we're to the top six,

which gets interesting. Okay. Shout out for, Peacewalker making it in the top six. Not getting bumped by death stranding. There was a conversation we have before we went with that one. Do you think we see PT or Peace Walker next? Peace Walker. I still think PT,

I mean, my prediction list is PT at least five, if not higher. And I think it could be higher, everybody. PT might not be on the list. Fuck that. It's got to be on the list. Matt Kim, I'll drive to your house. At number six, we got Middle Gear Solid Peace Walker. All right, so we're that at the top five.

It's one of those where I like, I'm angry about it, but at least I'm happy that it's higher. It's not lower than... Who cared about this fucking game? I'm Matt Kim now. I've worked out. You know what I mean? Does he work out?

Nah, the voice I was given him and made him sound like a fucking meathead, I thought. So I was like, now I've changed my perception of it. Number five. I like this.

I got... At number five, we got... We got a scroll for this one. Meligerer solid five, the Phantom Pain plus ground zeros. Fuck all. Fuck off, man.

Those are two different entries. and ground zero's alone should be top eight. Huh, okay. Again, like, I get it. I feel like this placement makes sense for this game. Yes. Yeah, again, I think the, let's talk about the legacy of Metal Gear Solid 5, right? And I think the legacy is, oh, the gameplay was so good.

And you're back to, but what were the boss fight memorable thing? You know what I mean? You had the flaming man. You had the skull phase. There's the kicker at the end of like, the story, quiet. everybody remembers quiet of course maybe for good maybe for bad but you remember quiet right but like that's the thing where it's like you remember the gameplay being so fucking good but i always reference the burger thing from miller but like it's like what do you remember outside of that i remember the vibe i remember the music the vibe for sure the soundtrack i remember full sending out all your uh your your giant things of yeah chemicals there being like a disease that's spreading and you have to figure out like all right what the fuck is causing this and you find the thing and it's like okay that's pretty cool yeah and then i remember like there was like a scene in i think chapter two that got real fucked up and real kind of bad

for people. That I was like man this shit fucking rocks but also you finish it and it's like where's the rest

where's the rest of the story which is always the kicker for this one. Dee horse never forget the horse D dog D dog D quiet

was quiet was quiet was quiet at number four we got PT all right all right

so we're to the top three any predictions here I'm going I'm sticking with my original I'm sticking with mine too. Metal Gear Solid at one. Metal Gear Solid at 2. Metal Gear Solid at 3 at 2.

Metal Gear Solid 2 at 3. Oh, I see. So you're saying I'm just 1 at number 1. I think Metal Gear Solid 1 takes it at number 1. I think... 3, 2, 1. I agree. So I think...

At number 3, I think we see Metal Gear Solid 1. Number 2, I think we see 2. Number 1, I think we see 3. I think so. At number 3, we got Metal Gear Solid 2. Oh! Is that different from everything that we said? No, that's what I have.

I have Metal Gear Solid 2. Oh, you have it at 3? I go two, three, one. Wow. In my list, next should be three and then one should be one. Ask wild. Okay. And number two.

Well, again, like, I mean, I do get it though. Metal Garsallit, too, is another great game with a lot to say about where we actually are. Again, Kajima very, he really sees things, right? But there was the whole thing of the switch to Raiden leaving a bad taste in your mouth. For me, like, when I think of Metal Gell Solid and I shut my metal or solid two, I still see the tanker. The demo disc offs, zone of the enders, running it non-s, stop playing that being snake. So like the Raiden and big shell stuff

and all that jazz like I like but I didn't I mean in the grand scheme of things in games that I think are all tens or whatever like I didn't love you know what I mean like I would have rather been with snake the whole time I would have had the shit I don't know I don't know it's a weird one of like I remember running around that shell so fucking much and granted

this is the game that I was talking about like I platinum before platinum it was the thing every dog tag every ghost picture ever everything on that memory card I did yeah so it's like I know this game really really well in a way I don't ultimately know other games, whereas just like, for some reason for me, the Raiden stuff becomes noise at a point. Yeah, and I get that, especially if you were there. You know what I mean? In the moment, like that living it, I do think that that it was such a bait and switch. I didn't

play too until later and I knew about that. So to me, I was actually very happy with how much snake we got even as Raiden, like just as like supporting character with you. And I, I enjoyed that dynamic. But I also just feel like, we've said this a million times, but these games are it's so interchangeable and personal like one of the weird specific things you care about most because there's such an argument for Metal Gear Solid too of like it is the pinnacle of that style of the gameplay and it being more linear and condensed into the stealth

sections. On top of that, I think there's something to be said about Metal Gear Solid 2 being a Metal Gear Solid game for people who are big fans of Meliger Solid. You know what I mean? I think one in three, this goes back to what you said earlier to him like three and one are both standalone to some extent.

Like three and one you can recognize. recommend to anybody. Those are anybody's Melo Gear Solid games. Two, it's like you got, if you're, not that you have to be a fan, but if you're a fan of Meliard Solid, like two, I think is peak in that way where it takes it all the way, it does the weird shit, it does the Swisheroo.

It has really interesting, really weird story beats, a really cool cast of characters, but I think one and three for what they do with like, all right, you're starting fresh with either Solid Snake or Naked Snake. We have a cast of like really cool villain characters that are going to go through the boss fights, or we're going to go through a more traditional like straightforward story.

Anybody can jump into those as their first Metal Gear Solid games and, like, fall in love with it. It was one of their favorite games of all time. One of the things tossed out to too, and this is maybe a bit dramatic. So you're welcome to Real Mean Back in, guys. But somebody who lived through it, like, Metal Gear Solid to Metal Gear Solid 2 was like Mario World to Mario 64.

Like, this was the game that, like, justified my PS2 purchase beyond belief of what, how can it look like this? What is going on? This looks photo real. I'm shooting the melons and they're popping. Yeah, I think that, you know, 20, four whatever years later, like you still think of this

as a next gen game. Like I don't think there's many games that reflecting on it are able to hold up that this is next gen generations later. Totally, totally. At number two, we got Metal Gear Solid 3.

Snake Eater. What? This is a wackulous, man. Good job. Good job, Matt, Cam. Which means that at number one, you got the original Metal gear solid. Started it all,

except for the two that came before. But you know what I mean? You know what? I'm not mad at it. I am mad at it. I am mad at it. And I love one. I really love one.

Oh, that's crazy. Kevin go wide. Big boss is up right now. He's here. That's wild. I don't know, man. What don't you like about this? Because this to me is the, like,

you don't put Iron Man number one on the MCU list. Like, I feel like being super real about this. Like, there's no, when you're just, start making the arguments besides it was groundbreaking. And you start to talk about like the story, the gameplay, like the like bosses, all the things in it. I don't know. Compare that to two and three. I just feel like. Oh, I think the bosses are more memorable than two.

Bosses are more memorable than two for sure. I mean like there's something that's lost, I feel from the, I think Metal Gear Solid is that rare game for me. Where I old game is old and all that bullshit. But I can replay Metal Gear Solid anytime where I can go through and love that game and have that feeling again. And I think it is that Metal Gear Solid from 1 to 2 to 3 to exit blah blah blah blah like Metal Gear Solid still feels different.

Like it is like yeah sure it starts off these different things. But like sneaking past cameras and blowing up holes and walls and having to get the right key card to do that like there's a I'm a secret agent vibe to it that the other ones do lose where I become super soldier and that's what I'm doing. And like a way that like the sneakie

suit, the codec stuff. Like, I mean, that exists throughout, but I don't think it gets better than here. I also think Metal Gear Solid, and this is a two-point as well, Greg. I think it's one of a kind, right? No other game in the Metal Gear Solid series plays like Milliger Solid. Like, in the same way that you get that graphical jump that, like, this MGS2 is next gen. Metal Gear Solid didn't get a game that's like Metal Gear Solid.

MGS3 came through, and it's like, okay, this plays similarly to MGS2, even though it's a different setting and all that shit. I think for Meli or Solid One being number one, the reason I come back around to it is it is like, I think such a piece of pop culture, like not just video game culture in the way that like, you ask. Who is, man?

But like you ask anybody about Meliger Solid One that aren't even into video games and people remember that shit. Yeah, but I mean, if you're going with that argument, like way more people played too. Way, way, way, way, way more people play to. But I feel like I get more, like, pop culture references to one than two. Just Psycho Mantis, right?

like what else? Cotech noise exclamation marks. Those are from the older games, right? Yeah. I don't, it's a weird. It's a push and poor.

I love this game. I would rank one very high. I would rank one above two and three. Yeah. But both favorite and quality. But I'm just thinking, grand scheme, IGN list. Yeah, don't like that move.

You did right, Matt Kim. Good job. Reading into the blur a little bit. While the older Metal Gear games were allotted for their creet. I lost my own narrative. Plum wine something I drink. I was saying he was drinking out of a plum.

I was making a reference to the Simpsons when they're in the quartet and Barney has his Yoko Ono, which is a real reference of the Beatles and I don't understand. I just remember the Simpsons part of it. Hey, everybody's Greg. You don't know. Actually, no, I'm not going to get into it. Do you know that, I mean, Yoko and John, no, Yoko and John doing something with a hat and a plum floating in alcohol?

No, no, that's just so that I don't know. I thought you were saying you don't know who Yoko was. I know who Yoko was. Yeah. While the older Malaguary games are allotted for their creative gameplay, 1998's Metal Gear Solid on PlayStation took that innovation and creativity to the next level. At the time, its cinematic storytelling techniques

were considered second to none. Its interactive movie-like presentation demonstrating Koima's love and understanding of cinema. And then it goes on about the plot. But there you go. Congratulations to Metal Gear Solid One. Here, see, this is what I was talking. I said earlier, Matt was drinking alcohol out of a plum.

What I was envisioning. A hat with a plum floating in it. How did we get here? Yoko Oner gag, you know what I mean? This is Greg are doing it. Guys, for shit list, usually we rank these lists or we rate this list. Is it the shit

or is it shit? I, here's the thing. It's tough to fuck up a Kojima list because it's the MCU thing of like, you know what the top five are. Like you know what the top, what the cream of the crop are and then you kind of have tears. I think they got the tears, right?

MGS 4 is a wild one to me where I think having that game that low is kind of crazy, but also I get it. I get not liking certain aspects of certain games and how that would get you get you there. I'm going to say thumbs up. I think this list is good. I'll give it the thumbs up. Yeah, mainly just because like we were talking about a lot of great games and a lot of the ordering of this is kind of just very, very subjective. I will say I don't want to give this like two thumbs up because I just feel like there's no bravery here.

Whoa. They're not trying to say anything. And I like when lists are trying to say something. Here's the thing of like, the reason, one of the big reasons it's definitely not a two thumbs up for me is we got to have a conversation about PT above Miller your solid fame to be. Yeah. I get it. I get that PT's.

I get this a two thumbs up. This is a great list. Two thumbs up? And I'm excited to read through all the justifications, what it is. Because I just started scrolling. Did you see this honorable mention zone of the Anders in Buktai? Although not the director, Hadeo Kajima is credited as the creator of Zoned of Enders franchise. So we thought it was worth a mention too. Meanwhile,

Kajima is also credited as creating Boktai, the Game Boy Advanced Action RPG about vampire hunting blah blah blah so there that's why they weren't there and why we were confused good shout out on that I like scrolled through it because I was trying to get to the next number I hear yeah but yeah I don't know I get the PT's two pocket in my analogy but like fucking middle gear solid five j cole actually no that's a bad one that's a bad one because I love j cole but nobody's saying jay coals are in the two puck it's I want you to know the movie trailers like you know how they use like slow down versions of like pop songs yeah We're at a point now that Jay Cole's songs are being used.

Let's fucking go. For the movie Strangers 2, the horror movie. Oh, okay. She knows. But it's like a slow creepy version. I'm like, yeah, we made it, baby. Let's go. Of course, this has been kind of funny games cast.

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