Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Every Mario Game Worst to Best - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

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Yo, what's up? Welcome to Kind of Funny Gamescast for March 20th, 2025. I'm one of your host's blessing at E.O.A. Jr. joining me is the LaCroix Pappy. Tim. Ma. Fung. Gettys. This GDC Week plus has been such a journey, such an adventure, so much. Did you hear my pitch to Greg? No. Where we take GDC Week and turn it into just GDC Weekend. Why is it a full week?

Oh, man. Why can't it be like a Friday through Sunday? situation like most other events are. Yeah, that would, that would be nice. It's, it's so cool. I do like that there's so many people here and it does give us the time to actually spend time with different people. That's very nice. But like your boy just needs a little sleepy, a little rest, you know? I don't need to drink every night. I don't know. I've actually been pretty good about that all things considered. Proud of you. Which like I, I'm a little shocked by, but I've managed to navigate that that well. Last night specifically, I, I did some,

something that was very much in my interest zone, but very much out of my comfort zone. There was another video game symphony orchestra thing at Davy Symphony Hall in San Francisco. And it was a, it's a more generic just video games music. It wasn't like Final Fantasy or like even, I've been to a million of the old video games live. But like those had like a vibe to them. This one is a little bit more, dare I say official, where it's more like the comfort composers are putting this together. And because it was GDC, there was a ton of, like, Grant Kirk Hope came out.

Oh, that's awesome. A ton of, like, iconic Austin Winnery, amazing composers and we're able to, like, show off the music from their games. But it was mainly, it wasn't like, oh, here's the song from Journey. It was like, oh, here's songs from my more recent projects. It's, like, celebrating, like, video game music as it is currently. Yeah. It was some old school stuff.

We got some Tetris. We got some fun stuff. But there was also, I heard the score to Call of Duty World War II. And I'm like, not necessarily something that I'm like, oh, I'm going to get out of my house. If you put together the set lists, it would probably be a different set list. Exactly. But I was like, you know what? I want to go to just appreciate video game music for what it is, support the composers, be here for GDCC, what happens.

And I'm going to go by myself. I don't do anything by myself. And I was like, I'm going to go to the symphony by myself. And I did that last night and I had a fantastic time. Good for you. Good for me. Hey, you should have hit me up. because I was telling Greg in the previous show

that I tried to go to the GDC Awards, they wouldn't let me in. They wouldn't let me in. I didn't get my badge quick enough is what happened. No, I had to pay for this shit, though. It was like $170. Oh, no, no, no, no. That's what we ended up having to spend

for Final Fantasy because it was a resale. It was like $100. Okay. Yeah. That still sounds fun. It was worth it, man. Yeah, good for you. I will say, though, if I have the room to criticize

and I mean this with every ounce of my being, the video sucked. Oh, audio was incredible. arrangements were fantastic. The quality of the performances was like legitimately off the charts. But the video, they clearly didn't get the license to any of the games. So it was like worse than you could even imagine. Like I'm not exaggerating. It was like AI stuff of just taking a PNG of the logo of the game and then just throwing it through a like visualizer like old school Windows media player type stuff. And it like didn't feel like it was to the beat at all. It was just like

like random flashes. I'm like, we might as well just not have this, you know? I want to fucking feel something. Like, even hearing Call of Duty music, seeing Call of Duty gameplay would make me like, they did Fortnite. Like, there was a Fortnite suite. See, that sounds like it was just the thing of, hey, GDC's happening. We want

to do something with the composers. Like, what can we do? All right, let's have them come through. And like, you know, that sounds fun. I would definitely attend that. And that, like, it sounds like a good time, but you can tell that, like, if it was a, if this was an Austin Wintery concert, like, actually it would be This is a touring show, though.

Like, this is a show that exists. I think they just had a couple, like, guest spots and stuff. But, like, I've listened to, like, the albums that these people have put out before. Like, they do this a lot. But, God, it's just, I feel like over time, like, I remember going to distant worlds, the Final Fantasy concerts back in the day and loving it, but being a little let down by, like, what was essentially just, like, slideshows, like PowerPoints on the screen.

And then as time went on, here we are with the Sonic Symphony that is just, like, absolutely incredible visuals to go along. with the music. I'm like, hey, man, we need to raise the bar. Final Fantasy 7 was off the freaking charts last week. Did I ever tell you about how I went to the Avatar of the Last Air Bender Symphony? And it was fucking fantastic. Same situation of like, oh, they're nailing the videos, right?

Like, they're playing all the music from all the moments that you love from the TV show and a relive. Like, just a bunch of Avatar fans reliving moments of the TV show and they're playing that with the music. It's magic, man. It's so good. Nothing like it. I'm sure I asked you this when you first talked about this, but did they end with Secret Tunnel? Yes. I don't remember if they ended with it, but there was a secret tunnel moment.

We were all, I think they did end with it, actually. Yeah, you have to. That was a big moment. That gets everybody singing. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But enough about that. Remember, this is the Kind of Funny Gamescast.

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For now, let's start with topic of the show. Tim, fun one. It's me, it's you, Barrett, the classic shit list. Of course, shit list is where I go online. I find a top 10 list, and I bring it back to Tim and Barrett, and we judge it for your amusement. That's a man right there, a buff bless. Yes, this guy. Oh, man.

Yeah, that works better for me. No, there he goes. Pick it his nose. If you're watching the video, of course, you know, if you're an audio listening, we are pointing to Mario because that's today's list. We're talking about every super Mario game ranked from worst to best. Now, I'm going to stop you right there.

Yes. I love this, obviously. I love Mario. I love the good. I love the bad. is there bad? We'll have to talk about that in a second. Where the sun shines.

We'll get there. We'll get there. But I want to know what is included on this list. What counts as a Super Mario game? That's the big question. When I look up these lists, I don't look at them. I feel like it has to have

Super Mario in the title, right? But then Super Mario 60. Does Mario 64 have Super Mario 64 have Super Mario? Yeah. Super Mario 64. Yeah. Yeah. Damn, never mind.

There's a lot of games with Mario, but like, I feel like that broadens it to a place of like, we need to, we need to refine or else it's like, oh, man, I don't want this. I feel like core and core adjacent to an extent I'm cool with, but I feel like this can get messy real fast. I mean, it's mainline, right? I mean, like, that's, even though there's debate for what's mainline, but I'm, that to me is I'm more willing to have the conversation as opposed to. What are the, what are the debates around?

And so that's, that's where I'm at. Like, there's a couple debates, obviously, when we get in. to any of the spin-off type titles, right? Because multiple of the franchises split after a certain point where we got Yoshi's Island, clearly in starting off the Yoshi games.

Include it. And I'm with you. And then there's the other side of the Mario Land games eventually turning into Wario Land, which it's like it's different, but they're very similar. I think even with those spin-offs, there's a cutoff of, all right, this is now a different thing. Like the first, yes, the Yoshis Island,

even though it's a Yoshi game, that's a Mario game. It's not until Yoki's story. We're like, all right, different franchise now. I mean, I'm with you, even though. Most people don't agree, and that's fair. I understand why they don't agree. And then, you know, chat pointed out right as we went live, like, there's the important one that we really have to think about Mario's missing.

Like, where does that lie in how people think about mainline Mario game? No super. No super in the time. Fuck, you got me. The super is missing in this one. And again, going around to Yoshi's Island, that is, what is Super Mario World, Colen, or sorry, Super Mario World 2, colon, Yoshi's Island.

That's a Super Mario. In America, but yeah. Maybe not only. Are we counting dokey, dokey panic? I mean, yeah, you get to it. And that's Super Mario USA in Japan. So I imagine that they'll count these things.

If they're talking about everyone ranked worst to best, but I just, I wonder, I with. Mario, I mean, Super Mario land has to be there. I would include that easily. You should. Obviously, you're not including the Wario ones. Like, once you get Wario in the main seat.

I don't know if you remember this. Yeah, I do. It was called Super Mario Land 3, right? Yeah. Colan Wario Land. Yeah. You see? Mario World 2, Yoshi's Island.

It's the same thing. But, but like you play as, wait, fuck. No, you play as Yoshi. Yeah, you do play as Yoshi and Yoshi's Island. You do play as Mario sometimes. Sometimes, which is why I understand more so the argument of like, that's a Yoshi game. And I totally get that too.

Yoshi has become its own thing. I just love Yoshi's Island so much that I just want to talk about it all the time. I will. Are there any other weird ones like that where it's, because I feel like outside of those, it's pretty clear cut. Like, yes, we have these different branches,

but all those branches are Super Mario games. Yeah. Like, the 3D world is Super Mario. The 3D, obviously the 3D platformers are Super Mario and the 2D, like, new Super Mario games are Super Mario. Yep. Do we, well, I guess, Donkey Kong, you play as, you know,

jump man or whatever. I like the way you're thinking about. Yeah, exactly. Think about it. Because I didn't think about that. No. Yeah. I don't know.

That's a weird one. Tim, what do you think? Donkey Kong. No. Yeah, the thing is, it's not. But I like the idea of it.

Mario versus Donkey Kong. You know what? You're right. It's not. Because then we're into Mario Bros. Yeah. That's not a Super Mario Bros. You're right.

It says Super. It does say Super. It doesn't say every Mainline Mario. It doesn't say every Mario. It says every Super Mario. So I feel like we, should before even looking at the list. Like, I mean, the problem with this one is we know them all.

The problem is it's coming up with what's going to be on the list. We're doing that now, and it's not that difficult. I think that going into it, it'll become clear, okay, they're including these, which means we need to add X, Y, Z, you know? But let's... Let me, let's speculate still. I think there are tiers of Mario games. Absolutely.

So, yeah, I say, let's do this by tier. I agree with that. So S-tier, probably easy. I think S-tier's very easy. Mario 3, Mario World. Yeah. Odyssey. I mean, I agree.

Yeah. I'll say, I don't say, I mean, the problem, we're talking about Mario. Odyssey might be A-tier. No. No, no, no, no. In my heart, it's S-tier. In my heart, it's S-tier. I feel like other people look at it more as A-tier.

I agree with that. No, no, it's S-tier. My Odyssey is S-tier. The problem with Mario, we just got a lot of S-tier. Okay, well, this is the question I'll ask. Is there any world? no but intended, where they put Odyssey above World and Three. Yes, I do.

You think so? I think there's a world. I don't think they're going to, but I do think it's a likely world. When it's not likely, I feel like that it kicks it out of the year. I think it is likely. I think that, dude, the old heads, I like how you think. The old heads are getting older and the young heads are coming up, man. And you know what those young heads really love and grew up on more so than Odyssey?

Galaxy. Yes. And that's my thing. I think the Mario S tier, we can start broad and we can refine later. Because like how many Mario games Can we put in the S tier? Let's start there Because I think that that's a very, very important thing.

Galaxy 2. S tier. Yes. Galaxy and Galaxy 2 can both be considered S tier. Let's put them there for now. We're putting Galaxy and S tier when Galaxy 2 exists. Yeah. All right. Because there's a debate.

I'm a Galaxy 2 boy, but there is a debate. Galaxy 1 does some things better than the second one. I sure, yeah. I'm not mad at that. 64. 64 is S tier. It is, but like the streets aren't going to call it S tier like that.

But they are. It is. It's unequivocal. absolutely S-tier. It changed everything. If you were ranking the Mario games from best to worst, that I think implies a level of giving some type of boost to what it meant at the time. I don't think that that's everything. I don't think that Mario won is S-tier just simply because of that. Because three did it so much better in a different way. 64 to this day did what it did better than we've seen Mario do post that. Yeah. It did the galaxy clearly.

Odyssey clearly do something, I think, bigger and better in different ways. Better. Quote unquote, yeah. 64's S-tier, baby. Yeah. I mean, 64 is still probably my favorite. Yeah, 64 is still my favorite. I mean, yeah, I'd say it's my favorite. I mean, so right now for S-tier we have, I think most of the main life.

Well, we don't have most actually. Yeah. I think about it. Because we have Mario 3, Mario World, Odyssey, Galaxy 2, Galaxy 1, and 64. I mean, I think that that's incredibly fair. Yeah. Because, like, then you keep looking at the rest of them. And, like, I personally, I feel that Mario 3D World is S-tier as well.

I don't think that people are going to agree with that. Yeah. But I think that they're just hating ass haters. Like, I really, I really, really feel that the people that- They saw them dress as a cat and they're like, ah, we're too insecure to, like, lean into it, you know? I think 3D World has too much just baggage around it of it being the Wii, people being very anti-Nintendo at that time,

people thinking that the 3D games are lesser than the other Mario 3D games. I think that they'll never be able to shake that stink. I mean, I'm writing it down an A tier, I think. As far as like what this list is going to be concerned. A tier's very fair. And people do fuck. If they include Bowser's Fury, I know people really fuck with Bowser's Fury. I did like Bowser's Fury a lot.

And Bowser's Fury, people fuck with just because like they needed to admit they were wrong about 3D World. You know what I mean? No, I love Bouser Ferry. And if we do count Bousers Ferry as a separate thing, I also would put it as a tier. Although I just want to point out that the Bowser cycle of him coming back and stuff was not well implemented.

I was going to say, I think that brings it to like B tier for me. If it's standalone, but like packaged in with 3D world, like that's at least a tier. Yeah. You know what? I can move it to B like because of it. It was great. I didn't, I don't think it outstayed it's welcome. but I don't think it felt like a fully complete package.

That's the thing is like, I think conceptually brilliant. But it did, once you finish that, it's like, it leaves you wanting more. I'm like, oh, I want the full game of this. Yeah, but I did 100% and had a blast doing every single thing. And to me, I'm like, well, that's fucking a good sign. But yeah, okay, B, let's put Bowser's Fury. Even though I still think this list is probably going to bundle them together. That's my guess.

Yeah. Bowser's Fury and 3D World. Bad list. IMO. But yeah, 3D World, I put in A, Bowser's Fury. I put in B. What about the... I guess let's stick in A.

What are... What are more... Come on. What are more A-tier Mario games? Again, I'm going into this with the standing that we don't need to explore the scale on this one.

Yeah. Like, when we're talking about putting the Mario games into tiers, like, when we have to rank them, then yes, there will be winners and there will be losers. But when it comes to tiers, I do think that S&A, are pretty hefty

examples for Mario. But there are some ones that are like a little bit more yeah. The Mario Land games. Yeah, those are going to be more. Yeah. Like I.

Mario Land won't even say deep. I guess Mario Land all you to say deep here. No, man. You fog with Mario Land that heavy? No, I don't. But like, I guess here's the problem because this is when it comes into like, what did it mean for the time versus like

playing the game now at all? Like, I personally don't enjoy playing Mario Land one at all. Bang your soundtrack. But don't enjoy it. Yeah. I still feel dirty putting it, like, lower than a sea even. Speak your truth to him. Come on.

I'm speaking by truth, though. Like, it's not a D-tier game. I mean, you're right as far as at the time as a kid playing Mario Land on the Game Boy, it was cool. But it wasn't special. And now looking back at it. It was. I mean, like the flying in space, like more schmup stuff. The weird ass bad guys, the boss is being different than being in a different world while the pyramids and shit.

Yeah. Daisy's there. I was very young when I played that game too. So I'm thinking of like even my young self being not. I think when I think back to me playing Mario Land, I think of being in the car on the way home from church, all my game boy playing Mario Land, being excited to get home so I can play Mario 3. Yeah. Like that's how I view Mario Land.

I was like, this will get me through. So I get an actual Mario game my hands. And again, that's fair. I'm a pretty well-known hater of the Game Boy era of games in terms of quality, especially like looking back now. At the time, amazing. But now, yeah. Mario Land 2.

Is that a step up for Mario Land 1? Unequivocally. Yes. So like, but where would you tier Mario Land 2? B. Okay. Okay. Well, B.

Okay. Mario Land 2 has way too much personality and, like, unique things to. it like that only that game had it. It introduced Wario was a bad guy, which was incredibly fresh after like getting a lot of Bowser. We got Wart in dokey, dokey panic, whatever you want, you know?

But like yeah, I feel like Mario Land 2 had a lot going for it. It was beautiful on the Game Boy compared to Mario Land 1. Do you have a visual in your mind of what each one looks like? Bear, can you bring up Mario Land 1? Yeah, I would have to see them side by side

because I have like a default Mario Land like picture in my head. Yeah. Like all the sprites are bigger than they need to be. It's Game Boy, so it's still black and white and whatever. But the difference in art style is I would say as big as Mario 1 to Mario World. Wow. Okay.

Like they, Mario Land Land, he's a really tiny little guy. Mario Land 2, he's, so yeah, this is Mario Land. All right. Yeah. Oh, maybe I played, which one did I play? I must have played two. And then in Land 2. Oh, no, I played one.

Yeah, I played Mario Lane 1. Yeah. Mario Line, too, like, they went for it where it's like, all right, cool, we're going to have a, this is going to feel like a different world for Mario to be in and a little bit more aligned with his kind of like cartoon style that Mario World introduced. So here's where I come down, because I'm, when I'm thinking of the tiers, right, and I'm thinking even more to play some Mario Lanes, I guess my thing is I start thinking of the new Super Mario games. And New Super Mario Brothers, I think I'm putting B tier. like the Wii, the Wii one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree.

What about new Super Mario Bros. You plus A tier. Plus Luigi expansion. A. A tier. Good. I don't think the Luigi stuff. Yeah, I don't remember the Louis Gets.

I don't think it, like, I just remember it being such a selling point, like on the box or whatever. You're Luigi, man. But the Luigi stuff, it was good. It was a hard mode, essentially. Yeah. Which is like, like, we want that. I don't think it adds to the game, but I don't think it takes away from the game. but yeah, A tier for

For you Because then I'm like Where I put new Gameplay wise It is S tier Yeah It's just at the end of the day Like there's something about it that

You know It feels a bit formulaic Compared to the rest of the series Formulac and like we've seen it before And it's S tier because it's as good as the other ones But when it doesn't do anything new And especially when it's art style It was the same one that we were beaten with

Yeah We've seen a long at that point But the gameplay is like the For 2D like the tightest and like most fun It was so fun fucking good. And the map design and all that. There's a lot of good in Wii U. Because then I'm like

Mario Land compared to new Super Mario Bros. We. How are you ranking that? Are you putting that in the same tier? Or Mario Land 2? Are you putting that in the same tier as Mario Bros. We? Yes. Same tier. But like I'd say pretty opposite ends. I do think Mario Land would be bottom. And like, look,

here's the thing. I don't want to, wait, hold on. Mario Land 2. You're talking to. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'll write down Mario Land 2 and beat here then. I'm gonna trust you on that. Apparently, I need to go and play it. Because I just, I just learn right now that I haven't played Land 2.

Play Mario Land 2. I'm not kidding you. It'll be less than an hour. Oh, sick. You'll beat this fucking game so fast. Like, it's... Yeah, I think I've allowed Mario Land 1 to taint my Mario Land opinions. Yeah.

Before we get to the Wario Lans, because I did like playing the Warrior Land on GBA. Two questions I have. What's up? One, or I guess three, actually, because I'm just like looking up, like, games that maybe we're not thinking about because they're Super Mario games

and I know we talk about some Super Mario games spinning off into being different series I don't think we get Paper Mario on here but do we get Super Mario RPG? No. I thought you're gonna say Super Paper Mario which I do feel like that's also where I thought you're going. There could be more of an argument

but I still I would shake my finger and say no sir. I would also whack me. We don't do that here. Mario game ranked how they define it. Who knows? We still don't know. It's like porn. You know it when you see it. It might not have a strict definition, but when you see it, you're like, that's what a Super Mario is. Yeah. The other one...

You want to start from the beginning and just try to tear them out one by one. Yeah, I like this. Bear, where were you going to do? Do they include Super Mario Maker and then the other one... See, that's what I was trying to think of. Let's get there, though. Okay. Let's get there when we get there.

Starting at Super Mario Brothers 1. Oh, man. It pains me to say it's A tier. Oh, that's higher that I thought you were going to go, actually. No, dude, Mario 1, like... I would say B. I'm B. Fight for B.

It's just old, man. Like, it's... I think we've... When I think of, I guess if I'm comparing it to new Super Mario Bros. Brothers games, which one do I want to play more between Super Mario? Actually, fuck. I'd play Mario 1 over any of them any day personally, and I get that there's a lot of just shit there.

But Mario 1, like... You know what? it's old. Think about the secrets. Think about the hidden one up in level one. Think about all of the the different course charting you have to do in the castles or else it beeps at you and you're like fuck I gotta do this a different way. Like that game is just running down and all that stuff. Oh, yeah man like it does so much with so little and to this day I think that the skill checks that that game have are like expertly placed. Because it's not just like it was one of the first to really nail, like, 2D platforming and teaching you, like, uh, level design through gameplay.

Like, the amount of secrets that, like, game had for the time is so impressive for what presentationally, it's just like a 2D platformer, right? Yeah. Where you're just scrolling right. But the way that you're able to play around with that stuff, uh, is fucking awesome. Obviously done like much to a greater degree in like Mario 3 and all this stuff. But, um, I think we can't, we can't downplay. I agree.

I think the thing that's making me go back and change my mind a little bit is thinking back to I so the first time I played all the way through Mario 1 was via Super Mario deluxe on the Game Boy Color and um I played both that and Mario Land Boy Color and when I tell you just opposite ends of the spectrum as far as like even though I know deluxe isn't is like far from the best version of Mario 1 I still fucking love that game as a kid absolutely I still fucked with that there are things that game does better than any other version of Mario 1 very few things but yeah It has an overworld map. It's very simple, but it's cool, and it ties it together. It's an interesting way. It has the co-op mode that's a lot of fun. Yeah. Well, you're right. Like, Mario Brothers One is actually like, it's a really good game.

Yeah. Which is, no, not a hot take at all. No, but I honestly, Mario One is a game that I will fight for forever that is not the, like, just because three is astronomically better than it, does not mean that one is not still, to this day, an amazing video game. But I also need to be realistic. that if we're going to tier Mario games,

Mario 1 is a lesser tier than many of them. I love the super chat from Demon Hacker who says, are you guys rating the All-Stars versions separately? I mean, I would love that. But I would think, do you rate All-Stars? This is just one package. Well, then it's number one. That is number one.

I was just talking today to Jared Petty about Mario All-Stars Plus World, my favorite video game of all time, my first video game of all time, like physical. I have signed by Miyamoto. and it's like it is the greatest single cartridge for a video game ever and it'll never be beat. I can't I can't argue against it. I can't argue against it either. All right, Mario Brothers 2.

Okay. If we're talking about Mario, let's do lost levels because I imagine they're going to do that. Oh, okay, yes. So like the real Mario Brothers 2. I would put that in, that is C tier. C. I don't really have much of an opinion on it because I never got into lost levels. I just remember playing the first level.

like over and over again being like this sucks. You gotta stream this. Dude. I'm not playing Markers too, man. I don't want to play that shit. No, bless you do. Here's the thing. Here's the thing.

I don't want to put my full weight into this statement because I'm speaking a little out of turn. But Barrett, I'm gonna need your backup and help on this because I think you can help me get there. Mario 2, the real one, lost levels. Yeah. If you were to play it today, it would be like playing.

The Undertail of Super Mario Brothers. Interesting. The game fucks with you. The game is about you playing the game as much as it is a Mario game. Okay. Again, help me get somewhere. I don't know if I can help you get there, Tim. But bless, you grew up in, like, you know, we're roughly the same age, just a year apart.

Do you remember the flash game, I want to be the guy? Oh, I don't. It was very much a game. very similar where it's designed to fuck with you. And it's about you learning through repetition and being fucked with. And many would say maybe not the undertale, maybe more the Dark Souls of Mario Bros. Okay.

In terms of repetition, downloading all that. Because here's my thing. I don't think it's actually that difficult to game. I think that stuff is like, like when you look at the Kizu Mario games and stuff that are made, like, be brutal, there are much harder Mario games out there. But this one, like a perfect example. or what Barrett's saying is like you get a couple levels in

and in a Mario game you jump to get the flagpole. Yeah. But there's times where if you jump, you jump over the flagpole and then it resets the game and you have to go back because you get to a warp pipe and it warps you back to World One. Fuck yeah. There is so many things, there's times you jump on one of the bouncy trampolines.

Uh-huh. You fly off the screen to the top. You don't know when you're coming down. So you just need to like hold and pray. Like your reactions to some things I think would be fucking awesome. Listen, you guys are selling me. Yeah. I'm down to try it.

I think I always, I mean, I avoided it all my life just because I always, it was always sold to me as, oh, this was the fucking hard ass Mario Brothers one, but harder. And I remember as a kid, Mario Brothers One was already hard. So the last thing I want to play is a more difficult Mario Brothers one. That's why it's like I feel like now, again, I'm not saying that you would love the game. Yeah. I'm saying that you would love your time with the game of the experience. And like, again, I think it's a perfect blessing streaming it in 2025 to the experience. But yeah, I think it's seats here

Because I think that there's Redeeming things about it But it's not It's not a great game Okay So then we hop to Mario Brothers 2 America I'm putting that shit in B

A good game I like that game Tim is shaking his head What do you think? That's an A baby That's him Mario 2 dokey dokey panic is fucking so good And anybody that acts like it's not

Is insane Like what are we talking about here man That shit is incredible. Why have we not gotten a sequel? Super Princess Peach on the DS was the closest we got. That shit wasn't it. Dude, Mario 2 is awesome. Through and

freaking through. Being able to explore the secrets in that game. Oh yeah. What the fuck. You're in the sub-world or whatever the hell it's called, trying to find the mushrooms. Good Lord, dude. Get chased by a phantom? Oh, yeah. The phantom when you pick up keys and shit? Fuck yeah. I still

stand by too. I'm typing it down in I think I still stand by two because I don't know if I can put it like alongside some of these, right? New Super Mario Brothers You, even Super Mario Brothers One or Mario 3D World. Like, I think there is a... Mario 2 is better than Mario 1.

That's... Yeah. I don't know if I can stand by that. I don't know if I can stand by that. I don't know if I can stand by it. I do. I respect it. Mario 2 has such a personality

and such like an energy to it. Obviously it's a different game. But like, yeah, I don't know. I think I'm in a place of I love playing Mario 2. I never want to play all the way through Mario 2 Whenever I play it Yeah I'm like cool

Yeah I'm gonna do the first get to the first birdo fight I'm gonna maybe get some levels past that And then I'm like alright I'm good I don't need a fucking play through the shit Oh man I'm so surprised by that Mario 2 I think just gets better It's put in the Mario 3 cartridge already That's what I'm on

Put a Mario 3 and get this Mario 2 shit out of here I know I love it but come on It's better Mario games There are better Mario games There are many worse ones though That's not true All right Mario 3 we put an S tier Yeah hopping to the Super Nintendo

you got Mario World S-tier Come on If we're talking All-Stars automatically S-tier I guess That's a weird one But it's a weird one

They're probably not going to rank it Yeah they're not ranking it That is S-tier I need to say It does change the way The original games play The way that they feel And not everybody loves that

I grew up with that version of the game So I prefer that version of the game But I totally understand that That's not the purest way we then hop to n64 or no sorry yoshi's island if yoshi's island's included that then uh that's that's another s tier that is really yep it is s tier baby y'all but uh i i'd see them putting it in a i think the general consenting in a also but that's fucking insane man the boss fights in that game good lord um all right then we jump forward to n64 mario sixty four s tier that's s tier a two um we jump forward

to or actually where are we at in the timeline is it GameCube, so we're talking about Sunshine? Or am I missing any, like, 2D things? I think Sunshine was the next. I guess all the Game Boy stuff. Game Boy stuff. Yes. Oh, you're right.

Yeah, so Mario Land. Mario Land 1. I think we already put C. We placed Mario Land 2 and B. Mario Land 1, we're putting in C, you said. D is right there, you know. D is looking kind of lonely. I just don't know that there's a D-tier Mario game.

Oh, we'll get to Sunshine in a second. Yeah. That's insane. That's insane to say D-tier. Mario, I'm putting, I'm riding Mario Land 1. and then yeah, Sunshine. B. That's D.

B? It's a B. It's low B, but it's a B. There's a lot about that game that isn't great. There is so much great about that game as well that like I do not think that the bad outweighs the good at all. That's,

I would bring in one Andy Cortez if he wasn't busy right now. Andy's thoughts on that stuff, man, he cares too much about frames per second to have an opinion on this shit. No, I think it's less the technical, well, it's partially technical of like how broke.

I don't know if it was like port versus the, original because like my memories of the original are very hazy but seeing his play through dealing with some of the design stuff in that game is fucking insane of like how how did you all spend six years making this this is crazy counterpoint i feel like if people are open to flood being a fun mechanic it's great it's just if you are just like this isn't mara 642 i'm not talking about flood i'm talking about like other level design things in terms of bringing items from point a to point be on a map in terms of weird physics stuff that

breaks all the time. Like Flood, I personally don't hate that much. I think everything else around Flood is like, oof. I don't have much of an opinion because the times I picked up Sunshine, I kind of just didn't want to play more of it. Yeah, I don't know. I'm

inclined to, I guess, B or C, I could see. My thoughts on Mario Sunshine, the definitive Tim Getty's thoughts, other people can have their opinions. It's a seven out of ten game, and it just feels a worse because it's Mario and we expect Mario to be a 10. See, okay, in the place to all jump in here is, you know, we're doing a tierless. It's not just any tierless.

It's a Mario tierless. Yeah. And like we got to, I think we do, not that we have to explore the spectrum of just, you know, scales in general, but I think there is a Mario scale where you're talking about a Mario tier list, sunshine, if we're ranking on the Mario game, sunshine is going to be toward the bottom, isn't it? I don't know. Like, I personally don't think it's towards the bottom.

I think that it's just, I'd say it's towards the low mid. I think that there's it's better than sun or than land it's better than land Oh okay I'll give you that If it's if it's towards the low mid I feel like that sounds like C tier to me I mean I can I I'll accept that Because I'm clearly not winning this here

That's fine Fair enough fine We'll see where they put on the list I'm excited jumping to this All right That was GameCube I guess let's talk about DS in 3DS Because we've got the first new Supermire brothers

DS is a game that I think has aged poorly was very important at the time. There's still something about it that I never liked. Like I don't like the like that to me was the turning point of oh shit they're going to try to use the

Mario 64 art style for everything going forward and I think that that kind of homogenized Mario in a way that wasn't too great and on the DS I feel like the game tried a lot of gimmicks that I wasn't the biggest

fan of him turning big and being able to break all the stuff like it just felt like more as opposed to like interesting and fun. Having said that I think the game is very very very high quality and I think that the it does a lot of subverting your expectations

of like how long it is and I think it's a very well-paced game. So I personally I feel like it's a C but I think I think it's B okay I wouldn't be mad at C because I think you think about the other new Super Mario Brother games that came after it and like there's even New Super Mario Brothers too, right?

See, that one I think is lower. Oh, no, I think the DS one is one of the more renowned, it's definitely one of the higher selling ones. Okay. So you said C for that one? One that we didn't mention. Mario Brothers 64 DS. You're right. I doubt that they put that as a separate one.

That's another example of a game that like does, it's kind of like, I think it's very apt actually to Super Mario Brothers Deluxe on the Game Boy where it's like it does some things better but it does most things worse and at the end of the day the biggest problem of that game

is it didn't have an analog stick. Yeah. God, I can't imagine playing that without any analog. All right, so we just put down New Super Mario Brothers I put 64, let me delete the 64. I guess hop back to the

I don't know, I'm doing this all mentally of like the Mario games so I guess you're doing right. Or New Super Mario Brothers 2 I guess we could probably just That was 3DS. Oh, was it? Okay. Yeah.

Then let's do New Super Marr Brothers on the Wii slash Galaxy slash Galaxy 2. Okay, cool. Yeah. So New Superbrother Brothers We, we already ranked that, right? I think we put that in a... Yes, we already did. We put that in B. Galaxy 1 and 2 we've already ranked. So yeah, let's hop to New Supermar Brothers 2. 2. 2. On the 3D S1. This one to me is another victim of, it's not a bad game. It's just the timing of it. And we didn't need another one of these. And people were really anti new Super Mario brothers already at this point

I think this is a C game Okay Wow I remember the commercials A lot of coins A lot of coins A lot of coins

I'll just write down New 2 All right From here Let's hop to I guess WiiU Unless I'm missing something 3D

3D land Yeah 3D land On the 3DS Incredible game I The problem with Mario 3D land Is I

think the 3D world just does everything it did better. Like, and some people, for some reason, there are people out there that, like, fight for land over world. And I want to understand

where they're coming from. Because I've 100%ed both of the games multiple times throughout my life at this point. And I really just feel like there's nothing that land does better. And in fact, I think does a couple things worse just because of the nature of the power of handheld or whatever.

It actually being in 3D was cool. And I think it's one of the better examples of 3D on the 3D. even then. I think 3D World proved you didn't need it. So Mario 3D Land, I'd say B. I love Mario

Jim loves Mario. I do. I mean, listen, I'm right there with you. So Mario 3D Land, you're putting in B. I think we already placed Mario 3D World. Yes. We placed Mario 3D World in A. It's an A but deserves S. That's all I'm saying there.

So then we hop to Are we at Odyssey? No, New Super Mario Bros. we you, which we already placed actually. Yeah, we already placed that in A. So yeah,

I think we're at Odyssey now. Yeah, Odyssey's S. Odyssey's S. Yes, which we already put. Are we,

my missing? Fourses Fury if we, yeah, we put it at B. Um, I mean, that's, that's that,

I think. Like, if you're talking to just, oh, shh, fuck, you're right, wonder.

Wunder's A. Yeah, I'm there with you, A. Yeah, that feels right. Oh. Okay.

I'm trying to get it visually together here. I'm struggling to find sunshine. And did we decide we're not going to rank DS or 64 DS? Yeah, I don't think we need to. And if we did, we'd put it with, I think, Mario Brothers deluxe, which I also don't think we ranked. We did, we need to decide about Mario Maker. Oh.

Yeah, I mean, is this list going to do it? I guess if we're going to do it ourselves, right? I mean, Mario Maker It gets tough because there's three versions of it. There's Mario Maker, there's Mario Maker for 3DS, and then there's Mario Maker 2. And the 3DS port had a lot of Nintendo created Mario levels. Some of them, the more inspired that I've experienced in a long time, but still it feels like a lesser than port. It gets tough for me.

I don't think they're going to separate those games if they're on the list. Rami 2 is real good. Myrmaker 2 is really good. I mean, it's A tier. It's like, I don't really think that there's... It's almost like I'll put... Would it be fair to put both, like, both Mario Makers in X-A-T? No, I think this is kind of similar to a land in 3D land and 3D world type situation where it's like, yeah, one would be A-tier, but two's A-tier.

Does that change one? Yeah. Because I think two is just better than one. I guess two is it. Two is technically better than one. But I don't know who needs to change the two. But I feel like both of them are A-tier. They're both A-tier. If Maker 2 never came out, I'll still say Mager 1.

You don't need to convince me, man. Yeah, fuck it. Put them all in A tier. Every Mario game, put it an eight here. All right. Barrett, I think it's time to do the list. But before we do, are you prepped to tell people

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our tier list that we've got going here for the Mario Games, which contains nothing under C tier. And look, like, here's the thing. This,

Barry, what do you have to say else? This list must have been made before Wonder because I can't, for the life of me, find Wonder on here. So Wonder is just,

it's in A tier. It's in the A tier. There you go. Now, let's look at this for a second. And just take in that in less than two weeks, we're probably going to see

another S-tier Mario Get revealed. Don't do that to me. You know what I mean? I believe. I love your belief, Tim. I believe, baby. Let's freaking go. Statistically, I don't know. We can't say for sure it's going to be S-tier. It could be C-tier. It could be. Could be C-tier. It could, but you know,

I got a good feeling. If you're going by recent trends, I mean, if it's a 3D one, I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. If it's a 3D Mario, there's like a 1 or like a 4 out of 5 chance here. We get another S dear. Come on.

Yeah. Let's go, man. Let's go. So looking at this, there being no low C tier Mario game. According to you. According to you. Because I still think.

So I'm saying, in your heart of hearts, can you stand by that? No like no under C tier Mario game. Again, I just can't get through sunshine. Yeah. Sunshine. The fact that sunshine is your hold up is,

very funny to me Sunshine and then I mean aside from that for main line yeah aside from that I think I stand by I think I stand by it looking at this

one adjustment I think that I would like to make if you may I think New Super Mario Brothers the original the DS is B New Super Mario Brothers the original DS game yeah it's not to see

I look at that next to those games it doesn't belong you know what I'll let it happen. Thank you. I appreciate that. I'll let it slide. All right. Barrett, Tim, at this time.

Potaku.com on March 10th, aka Mario Day. They put up a list titled Every Super Mario game ranked from worst to best. I've not had eyes on this list. Tim's not seen it either. Barris's not seen it either.

Actually, I don't know that's true. Bear's not seeing it. I've seen the first entry to the bottom one, but that's because of how the show goes. Yeah. Barrett,

do me a favor. What? Can you count the games on our tier list? Oh. And then add wonder. I want to know how many we had. So let's go back over here. Let's go.

Okay. So addition. Let's go six. 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23. And then does that include Wonder? Yes, that includes Wonder. 23. Okay.

Let's see how much this list has. I like that. I should also know this was written by Ethan Gatch Ech Echutaku So Ethan The world is on your shoulders right now Ethan

Don't mess this up Ethan All right Let's do it We're hopping in At number Oh this is like a slide show Okay Oh

And they have 23 games 23 They have 23 games And we had 23 We had 23 Yeah Ho ho! Yeah

Okay So we're on the pulse here We're cooking But at number 23 Super Mario run we're on the polls here fuck that's hilarious I love the shit list

okay let's talk about this I think what's happening is did we include Yoshi's Island on our list yes that's what happened you think it was Yoshi's Island I think it's Yoshe's Island They're not going to include it They're including this

Yeah but it's also a Mario 2D platformer Like this I would count This I understand I get it yeah No no no I'm firmly against this one But I also, because it's bad doesn't mean it's not a Mario platform.

And what's here you put in? Also, not bad. Mario Run, not bad. What's here you put it in C tier? I put it in C tier. Put it in C tier. All right. That's hilarious.

So we know the number. Well, yeah, Super Mario Run. Shout out. All right. At number 22, we got New Super Mario Brothers 2. Yep. I think that, yeah,

that lines up with our calculations here. At number 20. Maybe a little lower than I would have expected, but yep, it's in the right area. Well, I mean, what else? What do you expect in this spot? I feel like I'd put this over land.

Okay. And even Mario lost levels. There's an appreciation for lost levels. Yeah, I appreciate it more than I appreciate this. Yeah. This is the most forgettable of the core Mario games, for sure. Yeah, and I mean, I think that bears at like a large weight on it, right?

Yeah. At the very least, for lost levels, there's like a history. There's like something special there. All right. For number 21. We got new Super Mario Brothers. This person does not, Ethan does not like new Super Mario Brothers.

Which I understand. Yeah, that's fair. And I mean, I expect that we'll probably see some of the better ones higher. This, I am again a little surprised by being as low as it is. But we're talking about quality games, man. And in terms of like, at least this one, I don't remember playing the 3DS one. I must have owned it though. But like this never felt like playing this like during lunchtime.

like in middle school and shit, like it never really felt like it stood out, you know? Dude, I mean, let me tell you, like, just being just a little older than you guys,

this was the first 2D Mario in a decade. Like, this was a massive deal. And it was also on, on the DS. Like, and it, there was so much going to this,

like, this was a phenomenon of a game. But at the end of the day, I don't love it. And number 20, we got Super Mario Land for the Game Boy. Cool.

Yeah. Yeah, above the new games, the new Super Mario Brothers game, but both of them surprises me a little bit, but I guess, I don't know. I still think of Mario Brothers, New Super Mario Brothers Wii as like the, like, better end of the New Super Mario Brothers games, I guess compared to the DS ones.

It was because the four-player multiplayer. Yeah, again, and that is. Here's like, the games in a nutshell is New Super Mario Brothers DS, first 2D Mario game in forever. So big deal. And also it was on the DS, which sold a position. zillion units, which meant the game sold a bazillion copies. Then we got New Super Mario Brothers Wii, which was, hey, it's four player.

Yeah. That changes the two players. I played that with my siblings. I played that by friends all the time. I played the fuck out of the game changer, right? Once we got to New Super Mario Brothers Wii U and New Super Mario Brothers 2, that felt like, all right, y'all, what are we adding to this? It's just more, you know?

Even though I think it's Mario Wii is the better game, but it is just more. Yes. at number 19 we got new Super Mario Brothers Wii oh man I think that's fair justice for my guy

justice for my boy I love this game man it's the thing where it's definitely more of how it hit for me personally rather than the quality thing because like I have fonder memories of this than I even have with New Supermar Brothers You but that's just because again

the experience is different it was my first I mean I didn't have a DS right and I'm sure for plenty of people with so many people owning whys this is probably their first instance of a new Super Mario game, right? And to Tim's point of it being a decade since the last 2D Mario, I went from

playing the fuck out of Mario 3 with my sisters all the time growing up on their NES to jumping forward in time in our, not adult, but I guess my college age self slash late high school self, maybe early high school, playing New Super Mario Brothers Wii alongside those same siblings

and it being the first time that were doing something like this, right, in like years and years. And that was special. It was special, man. That was something cool. Frog Night in the chat says, at least land has a soul. New Super Mario games felt so bland. I absolutely agree with you. I think that that is the biggest problem

with the New Super Mario Brothers games that everybody got so sick of it because it had been a decade until we got it and then it was a decade that we had it and that was a problem. But at one point it did have a soul. Yes.

Like adding the the, the, the, the, wah, bah, like all that stuff. There is a soul. You might not like the soul, but there's a soul.

There's a presentation to it too, right? Again, not having played the DS one, playing the Wii one. There is something of how it feels to hop on a cupa. And like, there's something to, I guess,

the animation and the smoothness of it, where, like, yes, by the time you get four games in, it's tired, but that early in the process, like,

I don't know, that did something. That was cool to me. That worked. All right. Continuing on, at number 18, we got Super Mario Land 2,

six golden coins. So far, I'm not mad at this list whatsoever. Better than Mario Brothers, we? This game, like, talk about soul. That's what this game has in space, man. There's only like six levels, I think.

But each one has, maybe not every single one, but I'd say the majority of them are in a location that we have not seen before or since in a Mario game. Like, there's some creativity in this shit. Barrett, I need you to go to my house, get my switch, and download Mario Land 2. I'm going to play it. Is it on NSO?

I imagine, it must be. I hope it is. think it is somebody in chat google if it's on there i played through this when i got my analog pocket a couple years back and uh on a on a christmas morning just happened to be christmas but it felt right yeah and i sat there on my couch and i beat it in one sitting and i was shocked at how short it was i mean that actually works real well for me yeah i'll do that all right and number 17 we got super mario 3d land okay okay ethan we're cooking it feels like ethan is like on the pole like Ethan Goch gets Tim Getty's

He gets it, man So far Ethan Gotch is I think Nailing it for Tim Gettys He is currently At number 16 We got New Super Mario Brothers

You All right Give me a read Give me a read What's you have to say What's you have to say? By the time New Super Mario Brothers You came along

The whole new Super Mario Brothers Series seemed pretty Worthy of riding off Their largely uninspired Level design Made the whole series Feel like a soulless attempt To cash in on nostalgia

for earlier Super Mario side-scrollers with little understanding of what made people love those games in the first place. That all went out the window with New Super Mario Brothers U, which thankfully is not relegated to the Wii U, on which it was first released, having gotten a Switch incarnation in the form of New Super Mario Brothers U deluxe, which I wonder if he includes deluxe in this. I wonder if this is like we're getting you and like the Wii version?

No, no, I think this is the rep for both. Here at last was new and new Mario platforming with lively, varied levels, that also did one of the things Nintendo's as best, presenting a fairly easy, but still fun and inventive challenge that most players of different skill levels can complete to get the satisfaction of beating Bowser, but also providing an intensely challenging and rewarding quest for those who wanted to 100% the game and truly live or truly test their platforming skills.

Hell yeah. And he goes on to say, if you overlook this game because he thought the new series just wasn't delivering on his promise, you may want to give this one a chance. It's a terrific 2D throw ride that actually understands what makes the best Mario level design so good. And sometimes even offers up exciting surprises of its own. Ethan? Great right up. This is a perfect example of like looking at the ranking, didn't initially agree with it.

After hearing that, I'm like, look, totally get it. Like everything he said about this game is how I feel about the game. Like the level design is impeccable. Some of the, the stined out moments, like even the image we're looking at here, that background's beautiful with like the Aurora Aurora Borealis type stuff. Obviously the starry night level is a standout.

There wasn't enough of those. That's the other problem. I feel like I have so much. I want to find out. for this game more than I think it's actually the best Mario game. Yeah. You know, because I feel like it's just overhated. So everything you say in here and where it's at, I ain't mad at it.

Let's keep going. I do want to offer a correction. So this full article is by Ethan, but this write-up is from Carolyn Petit. So I'm wondering if either he pulled it from the review they did or I forget if Carolyn still works for Kotake. I think he still does. So I wonder, yeah, if that was a, hey, contributed to this article. But Carolyn did the write-up, even though Ethan,

Ethan, I think. The way it's written here, it looks, the way it reads, it seems more like a thinking back piece rather than, uh, oh yeah, it's a good call. That's a good call.

Yeah, so that was probably, yeah, Carolyn probably just, um, contributors, uh, submit their rights for the games.

All right. And number 15. Cabob's on TV in the chat says, there's a full nine out of 10 new super maribre with this game, but it's scattered across seven mediocre games. I don't fully vibe with what you're saying, but the intent. I'm there.

with you. I feel that. Some would say New Super Mario Brothers is like the modern M&M of the video games. You know what, Les? We got to move on. God, I'm so right there with you where it's like, hey, we're getting the taste of what we used to like. Oh man. At number 15, we got Super Mario Maker. There you go. So they are including Maker. Okay. You and 3DS. So they're including both together. I do think that if you combine them together, I think that boosts

Mario 1 or Maker 1 in my mind because the 3DS levels are awesome. And number 14, we got Super Mario Bros. 2, aka the lost levels. Wow. 14, dude. Number 14. Hell yeah. I like this list. You got to stream this plus. You got to stream this. I mean, apparently this

and then, and then, this in Mario Land 2 are going to be on my priority list. I love that for you, dude. That's going to be a fun time. Yeah, we should I want to hang out with you. We should do it. Dude, if you want to do it here, I'm totally not to do it here. Is there a way I can play this on Switch? There must be, right? Lost levels?

Yeah. It's on the Switch Online. And Super Mario AllStars as well. All Star? Oh, All Stars is on online. On the Super Nintendo. Okay. Gotcha.

All right. That's number 14. And number 13, we got Super Mario Maker 2. This feels... Actually, I can't say it feels low because it's Mario. So, like, I got to see what's above it. And look, 13. Like how many did we have an S and A tier, right?

Like, there's a lot. And the other thing about Mario Maker 2, it's a tough one because I feel like there was a lot of issues with the game. The curation of getting the levels. Some of the, even the making like the way that Maker 2 works compared to Maker 1 because we didn't have the Wii U game had anymore. Like Mario Maker 2 had a couple like dings against it. Having said that, are we fucking kidding ourselves? Like endless Mario. Like, dude, I do think that there's an argument to be made though for Super Mario Maker 2.

it's a too much chocolate type of thing where you get the seas can you get all of them but then you might accidentally bite the one with the like red liquorish stuff yuck I don't like cherry

you know what I mean at number 12 we got Super Mario Brothers for the NES respect yeah yeah oh you know what this means everybody number two is higher

that's crazy that's crazy it is accurate you know what I'm not mad at it I think of hell yeah I did fuck with two a lot You know what else that means, y'all?

What's that? I wouldn't stand by this. And number 11. We got Mario Brothers, too. Oh, shit. There you go. Okay. There you go.

Back to back. You don't even remember the one I'm telling me. I'm going. I'm going to save it, though, for the reveal. But let's keep going. Mario Brothers, too. I think All right is going to be on this list. I love this.

I love this a lot. This game deserves respect. It also deserves top 10. Oh, so what does that mean? Sunshine. What's the top 10? Mario games? Oh, you're a big.

Bitch. What's a top 10? That's crazy, dude. I swear to God, if Sunshine is in number 10, no. It's going to be hands. All right. At number 10, we got Bowser's Fury.

As its standalone entry, I respect it. I respect it. That's better than sunshine, though. Bowser's Fury is better than Sunshine. At number nine, we got you. We got supermarkets. We got supermarkets.

Roe 2, Yoshi's Island Under Sunshine. Or Sunshine just might not be on the list. No, Sunshine is on this list. No, it's everyone. You're right, it is everyone. And they included Yoshi's Island. Wait, have we seen a 3D game?

No, Bowser's Fury. Never mind. Yeah, we're good. I'm so stoked about this. Like, Yoshi's Island is just so freaking special. And like I said, at the top of the show. Like, I don't give a fuck if it's technically a Yoshi game, whatever.

I want to talk about this game any chance I get. And if you haven't played it, it, you should play it. I forced Roger Procourney to play it when he was 13 years old. Good for you. Yeah. We used to do video game book club. Oh yeah.

He did it. He played through this game. We talked about it on content. Somebody Chad asks a very good question. I think that's pixel-elated soul. What game is missing? That's good. I like that. Because they had 23 games. We had 23 games. One of the game was Super Mario Run. And they added

Bowser's Fury as well. And they added Yoshi. We had Bowser's Fury on ours. Did we? Separately? Yeah, we did. Oh, we did? Oh, okay, cool. I'm trying to think of what else we would have missed here. Yeah, there's some, and they have the Mario Makers. So,

what are we, what's missing? Barrett's on the case. I mean, well, did they forget about Wonder? No. No, because this was, I mean, this was on Mario Day. This is only 10 days ago. Maybe. Maybe. Either way, that was number nine. At number eight, we got Super Mario Sunshine.

Man, Sunshine above Yoshi's Island, above Mario 2. Above Mario 1. Come on. Number 8. Listen, I understand, I understand liking Sunshine,

all right? I'm not going to judge you for liking Sunshine. But you like it more than most other Mario games? I mean, look, and again, people's personal opinions

and experience and blah, blah, blah, nostalgia, how old are they are. There's a lot of factors at play. I... In my personal tier list, I put Mario Sunshine and Mario 1 in a very similar place. Flawed. I think that Mario 1, I give way more credit for what it did at its time.

Two, or Sunshine, I think I take away a lot of things where it's like it could have just done Mario 64 again, and I probably would have liked it more. But I think that there's a quality game, if not very flawed game here. And number 7. We got Super Mario Brothers Wonder. All right, so they do have Wonder. And again, I respect this. And I think, I like this ranking.

Yeah, me too. Because I said this when the game came out, this game is phenomenal. So much freaking fun. But there's something about it that I don't think that it's the best Mario game ever. I wish it was. Yeah. I just love, man, I love those Wonder Seed moments. This game does do something special for a 2D Mario game.

Should have leaned more into it, honestly. I'm excited to replay this one in a couple of years. That's what I want. I want to hear how you think about it. if you play like all the 2D games back to back. I want to see like the like juxtaposition of all right. New Superbar Brothers Wii U into wonder. Like how does the level design really compare?

And we'll get to a similar conversation because I have done that before many years ago when we got towards the top of the list. At number the next one. They forgot to put the number in this one. We got number seven. We have Mario Odyssey. Man, cowards. I'll say it.

Yeah, that's again, we're just. We're talking about some of the best games of all time. But Mario Odyssey, I think in any best of Mario list, it should be in the top three. Well, they're putting both galaxies above it, which I understand. That's the thing is it's even though I disagree and I want to be mad at it, I can't be mad for people being like, they like in the galaxy games more than Odyssey, because galaxy is magical. Yes.

Like it legitimately is like a magical games. And you know, there's going to be a statement here at some point because you know what else we haven't seen? What's that? 3D world on its own. Oh, you're right. So I like that they have, like, they're putting 3D World so high because 3D World Fis. Nah, that's some bullshit. You're gonna put 3D World.

Above Odyssey. Above Odyssey. I respect, I don't say I agree with it, but I respect the statement because 3D World does fuck. I'm with Barrett. At the end of the day, like, no, 3D World's not better than Odyssey. We know that, you know. But I do think that like it's, I like 3D World a lot. It's in the conversation of quality.

It's just there is more, Odyssey is just more ambitious and pulls it off. Yeah. So, like, I think that that goes a very long way. 3D World doesn't have a new Doc City, you know what I mean? They don't have, what's the name of that song? They have a Mario Kart level. Yeah. They also have a...

Jumped up a superstar. Yeah. But they have so many other great themes. They don't have that anime song on the moon that they sing. They don't. Remember that? I do. Remember that guys?

Remember that how Balser went into Mary Peach? It was like a pop-punk, like, uh, but like anime closer. It was fucking awesome. Remember the darker side of the moon? Man, what a time. I still don't think I've beaten that. See, even then, Mario Odyssey, like, just to, like, talk about some of its flaws, I feel like there's, for the most part, the anything you do is going to result in a reward is a good thing. But I do think that there's a fair amount of filler that, um, I think lessens the quality of some of the more well thought out moons because when you get, when you work really hard to get one and then you just get three back to back doing nothing, it can feel a little bit like, eh, well, like, you could have just toned it down.

There didn't need to be thousands of these fuckers. It really felt... You know? And like, you know, I remember this being a big conversation with Breath of the Wild as well. And with this being the first year of the Nintendo Switch,

both of those games very much felt like Nintendo designing the game specifically to be played possibly in like five minute chunks. Which I think since then they've probably learned to balance a bit more in designing around that idea because I think they were scared

about how people were going to play the Switch. But yeah, I do very much understand that's a lot of filler. I'm noticing something here. Number eight was Mario Sunshine, and then they went to Mario Wonder, and now number seven is Mario Odyssey. Does that mean Wonder is tied with Sunshine for number eight?

Wait, what the fuck? Yeah, Super Mario Brothers Wonder is the culmination. They don't specify. So I wonder, is this a mistake? It's got to be a mistake. I think that's a, I think they... Oh, no. Let's continue on.

I think they fucked up the numbering. Oh, no. Wait, so is that... I think that means nothing is missing. Technically. Yeah, they just added the one like 24. Interesting. Yeah.

Yeah, they fucked up the numbering. That's so funny. So funny. Last thing I want to say about Odyssey, though, is that I feel like we glow about Odyssey a lot, and it's well deserved. And I at any chance, want to, because of how amazing it is,

Mario's never felt better. And I think that's the most important thing about a Mario game is how good he feels. The rabid bad guys are D-T. Oh. Yes, you're right. I forget about them all the time. No, you're absolutely right.

I don't know what they were thinking with that. It was rough. They're trying to do Bowser kids, but not do the Bowser kids again. Yeah, they just didn't want to do. I liked the boss fight designs in terms of gameplay. Gameplay. Fantastic stuff. But yeah, otherwise.

Yeah. I do like the fact that we had other boss fights, though, right? Like, there was that dragon. That was fucking cool in the ruined kingdom. Why wasn't that an entire level? Exactly. And then there's things like that. There's just like some of the coolest bits about this game, I feel, didn't go far enough.

Yeah. But God, we're nitpicking a fucking tank. For sure. For sure. All right. Number six, we got Super Mario 3D World. Wow. They got something to say, baby.

I fucking love it. Hey, I don't, I'm not mad at it. I adore 3D World. I got to accept that like, the 3D World is a fucking excellent game, even if I don't love it as much as Odyssey and 64 and Galaxy. It still is like at least an A tier, if not S tier. Amen.

Some of the best content we are. kind of funny. We're at top five, baby. I mean, I think we already know what's going to be in here, so let's do the next two. At number five, we got Super Mario 64. Okay. Yeah. I get it. Hey, top five plus. We'll take this as a win.

Both galaxies and top four, spread the love a little bit. Spread the love a little bit. Spread the love a little bit, right? Yeah. You get it. You like galaxy. Yeah. But if it was different and one of them was like much lower, you know, we would have been like, oh, they're just doing it just to separate them out a little bit, you know? Yeah, but I don't feel like we need to do.

And number... Chun 2D2 says 3D world's better at being a course-based Mario than Odyssey is it being a 64-like, in my opinion. You're absolutely correct there, but I think that Odyssey is more than a 64-like. And I think that that's to which credit of how ambitious it is, but I also think that it takes away something that's special about Mario 64 that I don't think specifically we talk about enough

because I know Tom of Mario 64 now it's like, okay, you fucking old boomers, blah, blah, blah, camera sucks, and a lot of things that are true. Like, I get it, whatever. but so many of the stars and the challenges are memorable as fuck. Yes. Right? Oh, yes.

Like, so many levels have goals that bring you to secrets and have big moments that you remember. Whereas Odyssey, I feel because of how it's every single thing as a win, there aren't as many memorable challenges. Yeah. You know? And granted, there's some iconic ones and even some stupid ones, like the jump rope. I'll always remember that. wasn't good, but I remember it. But I do think that that's just important to

to point out that sometimes more is just more. I agree with that. I think that's a good call. And yeah, like when I think of Mario's 64 in like some of those moments, right, of getting to, oh, the first world where you go upstairs and it's the water world, the wet dry world. Thank you. Of like, finally figuring out how to get to the other part

of wet dry world is forever and grain in my brain of how mind-blowing of the thing that was. Because I was playing that game for what felt like forever because I was a kid and time was flat. And obviously, even, even those moments, you know, the TikTok clock and things that are so amazing in terms of like affecting the level, a big tiny giant island or whatever it is. I'd even go something simpler of like getting to the desert level and then getting into the pyramid. Oh yeah.

You know what I mean? It's like, and there being a whole world in there. Yeah. Fucking, oh my, like the winter. I mean, this level that's in the screenshot you're watching, right, the winter level, the second one where it is like, like, you're going to go, you go into the door in this museum room. and then you look in the mirror and you see it painting and you're like oh wait that's not and then you hop into it and there's a fucking level there oh yeah this was oh my god so many just childhood defining moments shout out Mario 64 your top two in my heart top one probably uh and number four we got super Mario galaxy for the we dude I respect this list so fucking much man I respected to I the only thing that would break my heart is if Mario galaxy two somehow isn't on here but no no knowing this list they got the stuff I mean I know

Mario Galaxy 2 is probably number 1, right? If you're putting Mario Galaxy this high, you love Galaxy. No. Oh shit. So now we're at the top 3. Oh shit. Oh, shit. You're bringing up some crazy shit. Yeah, I would... Let's predict. We're at the top 3.

You have Mario 3. You have Mario World. You have Galaxy. I bet they put Galaxy number 1. I bet that's a statement. I think it goes Galaxy 2 at number 1, 3, and then World. I think it goes 3, Galaxy 2 World. I think they're going to do Galaxy 2 number 1, world, and then 3. Okay. It's going to break my...

Wow, are we all different? I think we're all different. Yeah, just by one. All right. Let's get into it. And number three. Super Mario Galaxy 2. Okay.

Wow. All right. Okay. Okay. And I really respect that. Yeah. Just putting them back to back. Now here's the thing, everybody.

It always comes down to two. Mario 3, Mario World's first time. And that's why I thought two was going to be number one because I thought that they were going to do something different because it always comes down to these two games. I'm obsessed with this. And this is a personal quandary that I've had my entire life. Of which one is better.

And I have flipped back and forth many, many times, but in my old age, it's been quite a while since I have flipped. When I was young, I was sure that Super Mario World was the better game. It feels perfect. You can't get better than this. It looks amazing. The soundtrack's great. Everything about it is great, great, great, great, great, great.

great. Then I started thinking about it more playing Mario 3 and my god there's just so much variety in the levels. There's just so much variety in the world. There's so much creativity when it comes to the power-ups and all that. I'm going through and then I'd go back and play world again. I'm just to be like but I mean

God this game has such good presentation and such a tight game but then also the art style is so good. Also the music is so good. Also you got Yoshi. God. Come on. But I am a three guy. But then for the last 10 or so years. I played them back to back, and I was 100% each one. And I personally feel like three is the

better game. And I personally feel it's not actually a debate. Wow. Wow. I'm with Tim. We've talked about this before where it's like for the longest time it was world for me. I had way more nostalgia for world, way more love for world as a kid. And then playing it as an adult, it just, it's not as big of a gap, but it does feel like a gap in terms of design in terms of how things are interconnected together to me that makes Mario 3

still like the fucking top tier. Yeah, I'm also a three guy. And the thing is worlds, like we were talking about the field, to me that is the most important thing. Mario has never and will never feel as good in 2D as he did in the world. Like being able to grab items and throw them up like

the control, the spin jump that you have. It's just, it three doesn't have that. But three has, I just think, so much more Nintendo Magic and creativity.

And the way that secrets are presented even in three, I think it's like a step above. The mini games are better in three. Boss fights, I'd say, are fairly on par

between the two games. Yeah. But the airships are way more interesting than the fortresses. Yeah. All right. At number two,

we got Mario Brothers three. We could, we knew. I know. We knew. That's the thing is, these lists are more often than not going to put world over three. And I'm not mad at it.

Wait a minute. What was that? No, number one was Super Mario World, if that's what you're wondering. Wait, what? Number two was Mario 3. Number one is Mario. We didn't even get to that?

Holy shit. Yeah, no, that's what I just said. You missed it. Barry just clicked through fast. But yes, Mario 3, sorry, Mario 3 was number two. I'm here fucking yapping my ass off. I thought we came to, I thought we were all like, We all agree.

Oh, no. We hadn't revealed it yet. Oh, no. How did you get yourself into forgetting that we had to reveal the rest of the list? I left myself and do a shoot, baby. I did it. I did it. That is so funny.

That's not the three of us. We were like, you know what? We worked hard and we did a great job. Number three is number one. Oh, no. Oh, shit. Forgot to finish the race. Oh, no.

That's good. Oh, no. That's so funny. Yes. No, Mario 3 in the. official list from Kotaku is number two. Their number one is Mario World. Oh, that's so

fucking funny. That is so freaking funny, man. And you know what? At the end of the day, I'm not even mad at it. I do think there are tastes, there are opinions. And when you're talking about some of the best games of all time, there are factors at play that are above all of us.

Yes. When it comes to Mario 3, Mario World, Mario 64, Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, and maybe Even a couple more. I get it. If you're gonna fight, I'll fight that fight with you. When you got two tens staying next to each other, just be happy.

Just be happy, you got two tens in the room with you. You got two dimes in the room with you. Like, come on, just be happy. Just be happy, y'all. All right, we did it. Is this the list, or is this list the shit? Yes, or is it shit? This list is the shit.

I'm giving this a strong thumbs up. There was a lot of thought put behind this. This was not a, let's just get it out there type thing. Kutaku put their full ass into this of like, hey, We need to be respected here. And you know what? I respect your team at Kataku. I respect you.

Ethan Gotch. Good job. Carolyn, good job. Everybody has that worked on this list. Good job. Into the kind of funny audience. Good job because you just made it to the end of a kind of funny games cast. Kyler Rich says the Oscar winner is La La Land.

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