Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Final Fantasy VII Remake Spoilercast - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 16

Episode Date: April 13, 2020

Tim, Greg, Blessing, Imran, and Andy fully spoil Final Fantasy 7 Remake. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up guys? Welcome back to the kind of funny games cast. I am Tim Geddes joined by the Final Fantasy 7 remake review crew themselves. Greg Miller. Hello. Andy Cortez. Blessing. Adioia Jr.

The former, Imran Khan. What's up great? Just a full stop. Andy just said good morning. It's 3.30 in the afternoon, Amy. All right. I understand working from home.

He has different excuses, though, right? Andy, what's your excuse? Oh, my God, guys. I've had a roller coaster of the last 36 hours. I thought this was going to be on Thursday. Tuesday hits. Yeah, Tuesday hits. And I'm like, all right, guys, I can play Valerant all day, Tuesday.

Wednesday, I have a full day to finish Final Fantasy 7. Sure. I finished playing Valerant close to midnight around 1145 last night. And I look at the calendar and it says Wednesday is the Final Fantasy spoiler cast. And in my mind, I go, well, today's Monday, right? That's fine. God, damn. Like, I just tried to.

And then I realized, oh, my God, I am fucked. I'm in chapter like 14 right now, dude. What do I do? Oh, no. So I played from midnight until like 8 in the morning. And I got to a part, I got to a point where I remember in the text thread, what you all were saying in how much time was left. So I got to chapter 18 and around 8 in the morning.

I was like, I'm going to try to sleep for maybe three hours. And I'll wake up and be. the final shit. And we did it, baby. Hey! Hey, yeah. Let's go. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Hold on. See 7 remake spoiler cast. Full spoilers from here on out. What's up, Greg? Before you get in there, do you want a full spoiler why we all look like potatoes? Oh, Discord. There's too many people using Discord right now. So the quality of us is all dropping stuff.

But we want to make sure we got all five of us on this. So we're going to take that little quality and video hits so that we can all get, you know, our voices heard. And the good news is I know it doesn't matter because I'm the one locally recording this. So I like fucking Sterling HD. Like I look so good. I look good on your internet too, Andy? Because I'm looking at the feed right here, right? Like the actual feed that's going out.

You look great. Imron looks fantastic. Me, Blessing, and Tim look just like we put a mosaic filter on us. We look terrible. So we look like Final Fantasy 7 character models. We look like Final Fantasy 7 texture.

Yeah. There you go. There you go. We look like MPCs that you talk to during the side quest. And y'all go out. You got to love it. You got to love it. So here's the thing.

It's full spoiler mode now. All of us have beaten the game. I'm proud of you, Andy. You did it minutes before. But you fucking did it. I kind of want to start. I want to start there because I know that we all. the moment we beat it, we're freaking out

and we're able to kind of like have conversations with each other. You haven't had that yet. This is that conversation for you. Well, first off, I do want to say this. During our review, I hopped on this on the show and by that point all of you had already beaten it

during the full review. And I was maybe 60% of the way through and I was not as glowing about this game as you all were. I loved, at that point, It was like, this game is really cool and awesome, but I still don't really see why everybody's like, this is like top JRP. And then like an hour later into continuing that gameplay,

I was like, I was crying multiple times. My heart was just like fucking killing me. And then Cloud holds TFA. Like, Jesus, dude, I was like, this is incredible, dude. That's one of three scenes, by the way. This game is fucking. Incredible. Wait, what do you mean?

It's one of three scenes. That can be either Ayrith or I guess Barrett, I haven't seen the third scene yet. Oh, wait, what? What's, because that's anything, I don't know what he's talking about

when he says cloud hugging Tifa. The scene before you go get Aryth in a Shinar building. Mm-hmm. And you go out to the flower garden and there's somebody standing there at night. It is either A-Reth, like a imagination version or something.

That's what I had. I had A-Hidth as well. Or it's Tifa and she's crying and you're trying to like soul her or the third one I haven't seen yet which is I assume Barrett but I had Tifa I had Tifa and he standing there and Tifa is like bawling her eyes out and she's just like she's losing it yeah it's so emotional and then that that that the hug where like just cloud opening up like that fuck I wish I got that I was tears in my eyes like I was like this is incredible dude uh but yeah I beat the game and I

a lot like Greg and Bless. I'm like, all right, there's some confusion here, but still, I think this is incredible. Like the cut scenes, the way everything leads up, the hype, it was so relentless in, I was, it was so relentless in what they were trying to do cinematic-wise,

but they just kept on introducing new and impressive enemies. And I think that's where I'm really ultimately super-improve. impressed by this game is like the the last five hours of the game you there's so much variety in bosses and like I just expected I guess I get to a point near the end of a game I'm like all right where where do we see them phoning it in are they going to rush this is this going to be like kind of phoned in and a cool boss after cool boss awesome interaction awesome uh um fight mechanics like it's just it's so good dude this game is so great the end of the end of this game, I totally agree with you

just from a game play standpoint. From a game play standpoint, like the bosses and the end game type stuff, it really does have a nice pace of just ratcheting up and being fun and entertaining. But from a fan perspective, like the entire game has great moments and like nods to things. But once you get to the Shinra building, I feel like that for me when I was just like, oh my God, this game is way more than I could have ever asked for because Imran, you can attest to this. Like the love and care that they gave into the original Final Fantasy 7 story in the Shinra building, but then expanding on it.

The whole thing about Neo Midgar. Neo Midgar is one line in the original game. It gets mentioned like, oh, we're going to build Neo Midgar, and that's it. You kind of just have to put things together in your head. The way this game did the whole museum of bringing you through the Shinra, introducing you to the elements, doing that whole crazy planetarium thing of showing what Neo Midgar can be. Did you catch the Final Fantasy 10 reference in that museum, by the way?

With fucking the Shinra guy. I read up, I saw the picture of this. But like, so for you guys, there's a long-running, like, Easter egg that in Final Fantasy 10-2, there's a character named Shinra. And it's like, oh, is this tying it to the Final Fantasy 7 universe? Because as we know, Final Fantasy games aren't tied to each other. So that would be unlike anything we've seen before.

And the directors and producers of the game are always super James Gunn about it, where it's always just like, well, there's Easter eggs that aren't confirmed. and maybe this, maybe that, and then in other interviews, they're like, oh, totally. And then in other interviews, like, not at all. You know, so it's like, who really cares? But in this remake, that character is in something. He did a photo.

Yeah. Is it like way after that, they show like that movie of this is what we think the agents were like. It was like, that's Final Fantasy10's world. Yeah. Oh, shit. This is not, it's not exact. It's not like.

But it's close enough. It looks like all the spirit stuff, man. It's what an interpretation would be if you, like what we think dinosaurs worlds were like we don't know exactly were they talking were they wearing clothes the jury's still out i think they wore khakis gregg sure flannels and then emron we in in shenra when we see the shinra guards and stuff and the one of them is clouds boy uh coonsol right he was Zach's best friend yeah in crisis core it's just like there's these little things that totally don't matter that didn't interrupt your enjoyment of it not understanding it oh no not to me i was just like this is

so fucking cool but yeah it just expands expands everything so well and getting towards the end it like when you get into the final boss fights and the final moments and all the sephroth stuff it's like holy crap like they're not only giving us the highlights of the end of the original final fantasy seven game they're also giving us the highlights of the end of advent children and the it's like kind of all the best most height moments just delivered back to back to back to back and when you're finally defeating stepbroth and there's the cutscene of the whole team together one by one doing their fucking shit to take down the the whispers as clouds running through. I'm like, let's fucking go.

It's incredible, dude. I was just like blown away. Like, in many moments, just goosebumps, tears in my eyes. And I totally get why you all were so high on it during that review. Like, again, I liked it at that point of where I was, but I hadn't hit Jesse dying. I hadn't hit, uh, fucking Biggs and like, dying, but not dying. that stuff on the climb up you know i i i wasn't there yet and dude i texted him i was like bro

like what this is yeah that was that was the part where i message you guys like it was actually it was the chapter where jesse dies then you go on and you're you reach the top of the tower and you fight the helicopter on that stuff at the end of that chapter that's why i texted you guys like yo this game is this game is wild uh because like that was the that was the turning point for me where i was like i went from being like this game is pretty excellent to me being like oh no this game did something this game worked yeah like me me me feeling for Jesse, me like being so sad when Jesse died in the tower and me like sitting there being like, no, don't do this. Don't do this to me. Don't do this. To me, man. Yeah, they pull it off.

Double tragedy too, because Jesse's parents lived above the plate. So they would have died too. Oh, fuck. Yeah, both of her retired family is wiped out in that one moment, basically. Yeah, wow. That's a good point. Dude. I wouldn't really fuck me up even harder. But that thing is like, not her bedridden dad. We were saying this in the review, but, like, they made Biggs and Jesse, like, characters that, like, we legit really give a fuck about. And, like, I, you know, Jesse was definitely my favorite of all of them. And her dying, like, as the moment was happening, I was kind of like, this isn't hit me right. Like, this isn't, like, I know that I'm supposed to be feeling something right now, but I'm kind of not.

But the moment they do, like, the pounded thing, I was like, I'm legit tearing up now. Like, I, there's a real tear on my face. These fuckers got me. And even with, with Biggs, like, him going out. like I played the original game I knew what was happening so when we saw him die I was like I know we're floors away from Jesse dying like I don't

fucking want to deal with this dude but at the end of the game like I was it hit me because I didn't see that coming like I didn't know that happened I thought they were gonna fine yeah I thought they were not going to that I didn't think they were to die yeah I was like I was like oh surely like these characters will live because they introduce these characters these characters

have awesome moments and even as I've been replaying parts of the game like being reintroduced to Jesse and having those moments with her again. I'm like, man, this character is so awesome. And so when you finally hit that moment for me, as somebody who didn't play the original Final Fantasy 7, and you're like holding her in your arms,

I'm like, certainly this isn't how it's going. And yeah, that's how it went. And I was like, Jesus. That was actually the moment I started having suspicions about like, okay, these ghost things are not just a flourish. They're trying to do something with this. Because they were, when Jesse was like throwing that final bomb against the plane that seemingly killed her,

it was like, why are they just standing there watching. What's the point of this? Why are they just standing over Biggs? Because Biggs and Jesse had died in the original game. So I knew it was coming, but why would they make a point to show that? Then it starts getting a little bit more overt. And tell me, Tim, are we talking about 507 spoilers in general or just the remake stuff or just Midgar? I want to. Andy, what's your question? So these goddamn whispered things weren't even in the original? Okay. So that's where we need to start. People are watching this who have never fucking played any of this like me. And

Me and Jen immediately called team and they were like, what the fuck does this happen? Here's what I want to do is from here on out, it is full spoilers for the entire Final Fantasy 7 world. For the compilation of Final Fantasy 7, the original Final Fantasy 7, and for remake from here on out, everything's fair game. You don't want to listen to it. You're listening to the wrong video right now. Imron, I feel like you are the utmost authority here on when it comes to the... Dork. The story of all this stuff and how it all kind of relates.

to everything. Can you explain the ending of this and reference anything you need to from the other games? Okay, so throughout the game, there are those whisper to show up, and it does seem like they're trying to, you know, kind of keep things on track

for Final Fantasy 7, like the way that remake originally, or that first game originally went, but it starts getting more overt as time goes on, and there's that part where Hojo just says, he says to Cloud, because Hojo would know, you weren't a soldier, and then starts, it gets taken away, way by the whispers. And like that at that point it's like oh this is obvious now they're trying to

keep cloud from knowing and then red 13 just outright says yeah they're they're trying to keep fate on track. As at the as the game ends and as it appears that they killed wedge or made sure wedge died because he did die the original there is the moment where erith goes yeah fate is trying to keep us on a certain track I think we can stop it then you go into a portal that seems to be a parallel universe or different Midgar essentially that Cloud Tifa, Ayrrith, Barrett managed to defeat Fate and then fight Sephiroth. It's not super clear at the time why Sephiroth is there, but everyone starts getting visions of like, for example, a black-haired soldier named Zach trying to fight soldiers and say like, oh, the price of freedom is too high or something like that.

then they get reverberations once fate is dead is like wait did zach survive which he's not supposed to do because that was the end of crisis score the the interpretation i got from that ending was that sephoroth has either traveled back in time or come to a parallel universe to enact his actual plan and you guys just stopped fate so now you can't now he can actually win so it's no longer a it's basically the title is not remake part one for that reason is because it's not a remake of Final Fantasy 7 it's a remake of the timeline it's literally Final Fantasy 7 colon remake so pretty much anytime the whispers are there they're trying to stop you from changing the original course of Final Fantasy 7 yeah so whispers weren't in Final Fantasy 7 period not at all okay yeah not at all so when when you defeat fate at the end or whatever things are changing and stuff so Zach the black-haired dude that uh that you see that looks like Cloud. I was like,

who's this guy? What's what's going on here? So this is now spoilers for the original Final Fantasy 7. Okay, let me take the whole long. Are you coming? He is originally

revealed what pretty late game, like midgame of Final Fantasy 7. It's revealed that Cloud's memories of being a soldier, first class and all that stuff, he's actually, he thinks that he is Zach.

His memories are Zach's memories. and he is like, like, tripping out. The liquid solid stuff going on here. Kind of. It's kind of like that. He just, he never himself actually hit soldier status. Yes.

So that's why Hojo, the scientist, knows that because he's like, no, you're not a fucking soldier. Oh, see. I was waiting for the line of,

you're not a soldier. You're the soldier. Fuck. He's like the main predator handshake. Go get him. He also, like, some good lines towards it.

Like, Ereth, for example, Ereth was Zach's girlfriend. Like back in crisis corn, that's his backstory. When you first meet Eryth, the reason she likes Cloud is because he's wearing Zach's clothes. He has Zach's sword. He, or she's reminded of Zach.

And she like asked him at one point, like, hey, do you know any of their soldiers? He's just like, no, I don't know. Like, I don't know any. They're not my friends or anything like that. Because she wants to know about Zach. That's her whole. They kind of get romantically linked because she thinks about Zach more than she thinks about Cloud. Yeah.

There's a line. I was just playing actually this scene where it's Cloud and Ayrth and they're in the playground and they're about to go to not Wall Garden. Or is it Walgarten? Wall Market. Wall Market. Yeah, no. They're about to go to Walmart or whatever.

And they're talking and I believe it's Ayrth who asks Cloud. No, it was a Cloud who asked Ares. Somehow the topic of you look like somebody who I used to love or you look like the first guy I used to love came up. And Cloud's like, can you tell me, do you know their name? I might know them. And as Aerith is saying it, Cloud gets like the headache thing and like it's blocked out. Does that also have to do with timeline stuff or is that like just a completely different thing?

No, he was pretty messed up. So basically Cloud and Zach fought Sephiroth at one point and not are, or then lose. They theoretically killed Sephiroth, but they got captured and they got experimented on together. So in the original in Final Fantasy 7, there. There's the reveal and kind of flashbacks that happen of Niebelheim, which is the town that Cloud grew up in, where Cloud is now, he's left that place, he's trying to become a soldier, he wants to be a war hero like Sephiroth, who's kind of this like known dude, he's like super famous for being a badass.

And so Cloud and these young boys are like, I want to be like Sephiroth. Like that's what I want to do. So they all try to be soldiers. Cloud doesn't hit the ranks or whatever, can't do it. But Zach does. Zach and Sephora get sent. on a mission to go to Niebelheim for some stuff. Cloud goes with them just as kind of a shinra grunt,

like one of the random dudes with the machine gun that you see in the game the entire time. Then when they get there, there's like a Mako reactor or whatever. And Sephroth starts going crazy and like it's all the Genova stuff. And like he's like mother reunion, like all this weird fucking shit. And Zach and Cloud kind of team up to take him down because they see that he's going crazy. That's when Sep Roth burns the city down, the town down. Like that iconic shot of Sephraoth, like turning away with the flames. He's burning down Cloud's hometown.

Got it. And in that, in these, so as they're realizing like, oh, fuck, this guy's crazy. They like push him down into a Mako reactor. But like Cloud gets Mako poisoned because there's too much. You know how in the remake they keep talking about how. His eyes. His eyes. The eyes and all that stuff.

And it's just like it's too much. And it's kind of like Metal Gear Solid 4 where like eventually it's going to fucking kill you. Yeah. Gotcha. Like it's that type of thing. So it starts poisoning. and fucking them up. So Zach takes Cloud, who's kind of like super fucked up.

And that's why he has all these weird amnesia things of thinking he's Zach. It's because he's like poisoned and fucked up in the head. And his last memories are Zach saving him. So Zach takes Cloud. And he's like is literally like taking him like through a whole bunch of different places. They get in a truck. They like go super far. They end up outside of Midgar.

And then this is all in Crisis Core, which is the PSP game that kind of like like crisis core essentially is the flashback of the final fantasy seven original game expanded into an entire thing and it ends with thousands of shinra soldiers around uh zach ready to take him down and they all start shooting him and he's just like fucking them all up but it's like you know it's super epic like anime stuff where it's like he's taking him down but he's getting bloody he's getting all fucked up and it ends with him dying like he's gets shot, he's bloody, Cloud comes up to him, and Zach gives him the Buster Sword and says, you're my living legacy, I need you to go.

And so the game ends with Zach dying, Cloud taking the Buster Sword to Midgar, and that starts the original game. So that starts even the remake when he gets on the train and the Avalanche stuff. So essentially in this remake, what we're seeing is when we see Zach get up and he's like, oh, that's all of them. Yeah. It's showing that it's a parallel universe where he doesn't die, he kills them all. Yeah, the branches, Greg.

Yeah, exactly. The timeline branches. But so then it's a parallel, you say it's a parallel universe. You're saying the one that we're playing is a parallel universe. Maybe. Okay, because then they do the thing where they ghost walk past each other. And I was like, I think I understand that now it's different, but did they know, does Cloud know that Zach's alive? And where does that play?

So now was the time for me to talk about anime. I love you guys so fucking much. Let's hear it. Let's hear it, baby. We want to about rebuild of Evangalion. Andy, make a shirt right now. Now it's the time for me to talk about anime. So a couple of years ago, Hideyake-A-Anne made a, like, you know Evangelion, Neanderesis Evigleon.

It's a fairly famous kind of mind-fucky series about giant robots and religion and all that stuff. They never really completed it the way they wanted to. And Hideyake-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-Kano always said he didn't like the fact that they couldn't finish it correctly. So they made an ending movie, but then they started making new movies that they said, like, well, this is going to be a remake. We have new animation techniques. we have new voices, we have like better, a better sense to like put it in theaters, just like that. So they make a first movie that is almost exactly the same as the original series.

They make a second movie that at the end that starts diverting a little bit. Then they make a third movie that's like really fucking off the rails. And I think like that is what kind of influenced this game. Totally. Okay. Okay, everyone's expecting us to just make a 5-7 remake. And to an extent that's cool, but it's also a little boring. So why don't we just fucking go and go off the fucking rails ourselves?

And that last final chapter is them going, yeah, we're not beholding this anymore. We're making our own Final Fantasy game. Cool shit. Yeah. Because like the final line of it is the whole, the unknown journey will continue. And it's just like, let's fucking go. Greg, I'm with you where them walking past each other, that was just parallel universes of like what could.

Like, I don't think that was a literal thing. I think that was just more like showing it for the audience. But what doesn't make sense to me, and Imran, we were talking about this a little bit is after watching this, I went back on you. YouTube and watch the ending of Crisis Core and like a bunch of shit just because I was like, I'm so fucking into this. But what doesn't add up to me is the timeline of what they show Zach doing here, where Zach is he fights off the final guys.

He survives with the Buster Sword. He gets up. And then he sees the explosion caused by our crew and remake fighting the fate or whatever, right? That timeline just totally doesn't add up because. It's real confused. Like it just doesn't make sense. Is it possible that that's the universe this Sephiroth is from? I don't.

Yeah, but like Sephardt at this point has nothing to do with like what I'm saying of like, because the problem is. Yeah. At that moment is on the way to the beginning of remake. It's days before it. Oh, days before. Oh, my apologies. Okay. Okay.

Right. So that's like the, that would be like. No, because that they were captured in Nibelheim for what? Three years. FIFA by the beginning of Final Fantasy seven has been in mid-Garralies. for five years. And she was part of the original Nibelheim prop, like, event.

Yeah. So it would have been still another. I think Cloud took some time to like recover in Midgar like and then started mercenary work. Hmm. But still the timeline doesn't really,

I don't think it's just like a thematic parallel. It wasn't necessarily like a, this is happening at the exact same time kind of thing. Because when he does look at Midgar, it's not the normal Midgar. It's a different looking midgar. Well, it's also. By the fate, right?

I think so. Like, so there's a part where they show the Zach thing, and like, they take a, a bag of chips flies by. And it's like just a very incidental image, but they stop in on the logo of the chips. Otherwise, that is completely not notable, except the chips has stamp on it. The dog, they refer to a multiple of the game. Avalanche thing, right? No, it's Shinra thing. But in...

Avalanche was using it as to reverse the propaganda so that they know what it knows was pointing where to go. In the Zach flashback, the picture of stamp is a... Yorkshire Terrier in the F-S7 remake every time he sees Stamp he's a Beagle I fucking love you Emron Isn't that great though? Yeah like that's why they like They shut up and to show this is a Things are similar but they're different like this is a different world

So it could have been a different time when he came there Okay interesting I just like that's still it just seems off to me Because it's like that's the rest of the game kind of like played out as if they're parallel timelines that are all happening at the same time but that is just like Those incidents just weren't at the same same moment. Right. So it's like if they didn't have,

if they didn't show the explosion, I'd be like, okay, cool. If this is a time traveled Separathe, he doesn't necessarily have to be from this world. But this Separatth, based on what he was saying in a cloud of the end, he's like,

you have seven seconds to breathe or something like that. It's so cool. But like that... Like, I don't even know what to mean. Yeah, I had no idea what the fuck that man. But it seems like he knows what's up. He knows what's going to happen. But even an ultra-powerful separat from the original

5-57, throughout most of that game, should not know what's going to happen until they actually happen. He doesn't have like future powers. So it's still a question of like, is this a separate who's already been through all this stuff? It already knows that Cloud is going to beat him. And thus he has to lure Cloud and the rest of them to defeat fate for him.

Interesting. Because now that now he has a chance because now it's basically unwritten. With fate dead, he has sort of an open, an open, a blank canvas to do whatever he wants. This is his only chance at winning yet. Yeah. I, I, I, when we are in that final battle against Sephraoth, and then Ayrh pops up and is like, I'm here to help or whatever.

I'm like, oh, fuck, she's going to die. Like, right. Like, I just thought she would, like, I thought this would end with her dying. Because that's a little only, that's the only spoiler I know about Final Faces 7 is that. Like the most famous video game death at all time. Yeah. And so I was like, maybe she does in this game in this moment. But yeah.

Yeah. Because it's such a, it's such a Darth Vader, like, I. am your father thing where again I never played Final Fantasy 7 but I know that I know that I know the girl in the red dress dies at one point yeah that's when like Barrett was killed I was like what the fuck no me too yeah so Barrett does not die in the original and you can tell because the Whispers bring him back yeah and also like that that means that separate off his fucking with that was the moment was like I would separate off than the whispers that not the same side yeah because if he's doing a thing

that they're immediately fixing then he's trying to test how far he can push it too. That's so cool. This is some nerdy-ass shit, but, so Advent Children, right? It takes place after Final Fantasy 7. Yes. And even there, that gets a little bit weird and dicey because

so for you guys that haven't played the original Final Fantasy 7 ends with meteor hitting the planet and like fucking things up. And then there's like, it literally just says 500 years later. And it's

descendants of Red 13 kind of just right. Oh, is it? No, he lives a long time. You can see the tattoo one is... That is actually... Either way, there's like... There's multiple of those animals running, and then they run up to a cliff

and they're overlooking Midgar. And like, it's like overrun with, like, grass and it looks super last of us. Nature's taking it back. Yeah, so like, I don't... I didn't interpret the ending the same way. Like, I don't think meteor hit. I think Lifstream stopped it.

But Lifestream just kind of took the planet back at that point. Yeah. Yeah. So then in the original game, though, it's kind of like left. And then credits roll. And like, that's it. That's the final scene you see. So in this game, when you're fighting off the fate thing and it's shooting all those, like, lights through the people.

And then like, there's like visions that they're getting. That was one of the visions. And that's when Barrett's like, what the fuck was that? And Red's like, that's what happens if we don't win today. So it's like pretty much saying like the end of the original game is not what we want. Got it. So Tetsuia and Numerra directed this game. I think there's been a, between this and Kingdom Hearts, it's pretty obvious he kind of hates working at Square Enix now.

Because, like, Kingdom Hearts is essentially at this point a weird, like, ransom message from him about how pissed off he is about Final Fantasy versus 13. Because, like, Tim can tell you, the ending of Kingdom Hearts now is just Final Fantasy versus 13. Like, it's literally just infecting that game. Yeah. So Kingdom Hearts literally did. something similar to this where it ended with a huge fucking twist that's like wait what which essentially is a spoiler yeah but so spoiling it there is like kingdom hearts then now kingdom heart spoilers everybody um but kingdom heart three ends and it has a secret ending and usually kingdom

hearts games have a secret ending that are like really hinting or directly telling you what the future of the franchise is going to be about it's it's kind of like a mc u post credit thing sure and um this one is you face off against a character. Okay. In Kingdom Hearts 3. Yeah. Tim, we're prepared for the bullshit. No, trust me.

It's not bullshit. This is pretty easy to understand. It's just funny how many levels it goes. So in Kingdom Hearts, they go to the Disney worlds, right? In the Toy Story world that they go to, they go to a toy store. In the toy store, in the toy story world of the game, there's video games. Of course. The popular video game and all the toys that they're fighting are basically.

based off this video game. I forget the name of it, Imran. Ah, yeah, I forgot too. I just remember the name character's name. It doesn't fucking matter. It's Final Fantasy versus 13. Yes. Like, that is what the game is.

It's called something else. But the Rex from Toy Story is obsessed with this fucking game. And he thinks that Sora is the main character from that game. Because guess what? They look similar because that's what Kingdom Hearts does. But then at the end of Kingdom Hearts 3's DLC that just came out, the final boss fight, the secret boss fight, is against this video game character,

which is like... Like the Noctus, basically what Noctus became? Yes. From 15? And if you lose, they just show the trailer from Versus 13 with him as in the place. Wow, that's really weird. So there's that, and then there's this game

where if you look at it just like on paper, a bunch of old ghosts are trying to remake Final Fantasy 7 exactly as it used to be, and the heroes bravely stop them. Like Like That's awesome Like thematically

That's fantastic Yeah It's very clear that Nomora It has some problems We're working at SquaredX now But it's I'm in for it

I'm waiting for this wild bullshit ride This point Because I think Varum Rex That's the video game Yeah Varam Rex

Yeah Yes Yeah And that's great I think That's so awesome Because I I'm excited

For you guys too. Like, you know, like I, obviously, I don't know shit about this franchise or this game or whatever, but I think that if it were just sort of paint by numbers, this is Final Fantasy seven, done again, just prettier. Obviously, they added a bunch of shit in between or whatever, but I think that's super exciting for just Final Fantasy fans, unless people will feel wronged by that. Oh, who knows the internet? Like, yeah, it's the internet. This is going to be one of the most divisive things ever happening. I mean, you mentioned Metal Gear Solid, too.

Like, this reminds me of that. The reaction of, like, people freaking out and clutching their head and be like, this is not what I wanted. But, like, when I experienced it, I was, I was clutching my head, too, but in like, holy shit. Yeah, me too. I love it when, like, really beloved things are, like, poked and prodded and experimented with.

And this is, like, exactly that kind of bullshit. And I love it, too, because it's like, I do feel like there's going to be people upset about the weird, crazy kingdom heartification of this. But in my opinion, It's the good Kingdom Heart stuff, not the bad stuff that at least so far has kind of been in this. But even if you don't like it, like I feel like the three of you guys can all attest to this, like, sure, the last hour or whatever confused you a little bit, but it didn't stop the rest of the game from making sense. I mean, it confused me, but it also intrigued me to the point of getting off and wanting to call to him, getting off and wanting to look at Wikipedia, having this conversation. And the reason I'm looking over it is going to have the Crisis Core review pulled up and Sephora's Wikipedia.

page and it puts it into a place that I am interested not only for the reactions and the conversations, but then what the next game is. It's the same way I feel with Metal Gear Solid. Like, sure, it's not turning me off at all. I'm not like, oh, this is fucking dumb, like confusing stuff. No, it's like super good. Like the way everything is presented in this game towards the end of it is just incredible. Not to mention for somebody on the outside like us, it's a leg up, right?

Because if it was the exact same game and now it's going to be two to three to four to seven years or whatever while they work on the next part and you guys are like well I already know what happens so whatever I'm more it's cool that we're all on the same page now oh totally and I think there's something that's cool about that is obviously what I'm about to say is in no reality a possibility but if this was just the game and there was no Final Fantasy 7 before it it would end and I don't think people would be like

the fuck that it'd be like I don't know what's going on but I'm very intrigued sure well that that's why I don't know that bless has got something to say he's been trying to get off the four poster bed for a long time yeah I just been kind of I'm on size of it of like when I first finished the game I was like all right last few chapters kind of lost me but it was until I talked to you guys I talked to Imran and Tim and you guys explained it to where I was like okay no that sounds really really really cool I'm really into that but at first I was like like because the game is so straightforward for 95% of it and it makes sense in the theme like thematically it makes

sense I understand motivations all the stuff but the more and more stuff ruff kind of got involved in things. Yeah. More more I got fascinated into like who his character is, but by the time it ended, I was just like, all right, I know there's going to be another game, but like what the fuck was that? Like what just happens? Yeah, I thought it was like, sorry.

Oh, so like, knowing the future, like, knowing the context that everything is working in now, I'm like, okay, cool. I'm looking forward to what the next few games are going to be, but it's still one of those things where coming from the outside looking in and this being my first, my first Final Fantasy 7 game, uh, I feel like I'm kind of missing out on quite a bit now. not having played the first, like the original games, where originally coming to the game, I was like, oh, sweet, five phases seven,

I'm going to be able to experience this for the first time freshly. But you have Imran's hotline where you can just come whenever, and you're like, all right, what's changed here? Honestly, though, I do feel like that is kind of, it wasn't the point of this remake at the end of the day to be the same experience again for you to experience it the first time. But the thing there was like, I feel...

I know, but whatever. That's a whole... That's a different conversation. I'm not like... So, they actually hinted a little bit in the past. Like, there was a point where someone asked them or, hey, would you release the old games like crisis score and dirt service and all that stuff? And he gave an answer that now makes a lot more sense of him saying, yeah, that wouldn't

make any sense now. It's not the same game. And nobody picked up on that. And that's the thing for me, blessed that I'm trying to say, where, like, I just feel that it's enhanced to us because we do know all these weird. fucking things about it, but it's like, I almost feel like it isn't a good thing to go out and play Crisis Core now. Like, I don't think that you need to do that.

Like, sure, maybe watch a clip of it or something. I just started it. To get the, like, for the feels and shit, but that's just more kind of like extra credit homework if you want to know everything. I feel like this game did a, uh, a very intentional job of telling you and showing you what and how it wanted to show you. Like showing Zach was supposed to be a, who the fuck is this guy moment, you know? And I just think that they knew that the context of this was going to be from people that have played every single Final Fantasy

and everything that ever existed and people that never have before. And I think that they're going to get reactions out of both of those groups in a way that that was the intention. Is that going to make everyone happy? Absolutely not. No, already people are fucking pissed about this shit, which I don't understand. This is cool as fuck. I think that, you know, you boiled it down the best way. And I agree with you, even though I'm completely on the outside.

I wasn't the other one to stick with me, is that this is the JJ Star Trek thing, right? Where it's like, if you know the history of Star Trek, then you understand why you get more out of this. But if you don't, like, I didn't when I watched that Star Trek, I was like, oh, I get it that. All right, Leonard Nemoy's there. Spoilers for Star Trek. That Leonard Nimoy is there. They're fucking up that timeline and now nothing's the same going forward. But like, that was cool because, again, I had a jumping on point.

If I wanted to go back and look into all the stuff and understand more, I could. But I didn't need to enjoy that movie. I think for me it's just the idea that like the last two chapters of this game had me like I'm not I don't get it but I'm here for the ride in the idea that in Spada Fantasy 7 remake two and three could be could be more so of all right I'm just here for the ride at this point I have no idea what's going on because everything's kind of up in the air and I get that really excite me and one of the things blessing you and I kept talking about in the review in veil terms right was that until those like mid-teens chapters it seemed like okay I'm right there with you

and I understand this and I get avalanche and I get cloud and yet ever and then one of it was we went to Shindra and suddenly there were like seven bad Shindra dudes and dudeettes. I was like, I don't understand. Why are we getting complicated? Like, wait a second, where is Seth Rob? I know he's the big deal, but like, he's not even here yet. And then he does show up and it is that little thing and I don't understand, but I'm still into it. I think it's okay. I don't think you, like, I see where you're coming from, Blest, but I see it as just this is how the game is now. Like, the first 95% of this remake, with it being like as straightforward as it was, it told a kind of coherent story. And like I, even though the future is up in

the air, I think those games just are going to naturally become the evolution of what the ending of this game was. Like, it's just kind of be, it's going to become canon to us and it's going to be our version of Final Fantasy 7, even though it's clearly not Tim's and Imran's. Yeah. But I think that's, I mean, that's my hope. Yeah. That's for sure my hope. I just feel like in terms of, Like, I feel like they nailed it for the most part, like, 98% as far as, like, we're going to cater to all the audiences. We're going to make this a game for Final Face and 7 fans while also making this a new thing that that anybody can jump into. And by the end, I did have to, like, talk to you guys to kind of get what was going on. In a way where now that it seems like that stuff is, like, all the whisper stuff and all the fate stuff seems settled.

I'm sure that it'll probably make some sort of reappearance in the next few games. But for the most part, it seems like now we're at a place where we're fresh again. and their adventures aren't really going to be interrupted that much by the whispers as far as I understand it now. Well, they need to feed them, right? Then they feed them? This is a really good moment to actually jump on. Before we do that, I want to talk about our sponsors. He said talk about our sponsors.

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Slash, kind of. All right, so I think this is a good point to talk about what do we think the next game is going to be? Imrod. So that's interesting, because now they can just do anything. Like, I assume they're going to hit all the major beats they have to hit. Like, they're going to go to Calm, and Cloud is going to tell his backstory of Saperoth. How do you spell this place, by the way?

Calm, K-A-L-L-N. Cool. Duh. And then, like, they'll do the Mid-Gar-Zolam stuff. They'll go to Juno. They'll, like, go to the fort. and all that those kind of things they'll hit along the way but i think like things can start changing at this point i don't think eryth will die i think maybe you'll have it like maybe it'll be

an option or a branching path but i think this just sets up for a way for them to say no eryth is going to survive and also i think they're pulling in like a marvel style thing of a multiverse idea because i at this point cloud could just say on your left in a bunch of clouds some like different places we're going to come to a portal. Which is what I thought, not understanding the Zach stuff. And I saw this guy and I'm like, it's cloud with dark hair. Are they about to do like this cloud? The multiverse of clouds is going to come together.

The fucking kingdom hearts cloud comes out with waiting. Rivers and fucking taped up sword and shit. I feel like the sequel is going to be, I think even more than what you're saying, Mron, where I think it's going to be a greatest hit almost as a kind of, let's get this stuff out of the way and move on. I think it's going to be radically different to the point. that we're in the same places, the same things aren't going to happen.

And I don't think we're going to go to all the same places. And I also think we're going to go to new places. Like, I think that the Final Fantasy 7, 2, whatever they end up calling the next one, like, I think it's going to be a sequel to this game. And it is not going to be a remake in any meaningful way to the original. I think there's still some things you have to hit.

Like, I think you do need to have that backstory, like that flashback section. Because at the point, this point, we still don't really. most new players do not know that Cloud is mistaken or has amnesia about that time. They think he was a soldier. I think you need to keep that same basic framework.

And I think the third or fourth game goes really off the rails. Hmm. Interesting. I mean, yeah, I guess the way I see it is, we're still going to get that framework and that story. I just don't think it's going to be in the same place, in the same way. I think the game will find a new way to end a type of very linear story-telling fashion like this game. remake we just play it is I feel like it's going to be kind of like the midgarification of the rest of the game because for you guys once you get through what we got in this game in the

original it opens up it really is kind of breath the wild style you get off of that initial island and now it's like go like you get run around the entire planet this is what I wanted this is where I wanted to take the conversation of like what was added what was expanded what was removed like this is That's all shit I'm super interested in. Was anything removed? Let's start there. Because I don't think so.

There's a couple of scenes. Like Honeybee A, we talked about was like a gay panic scene before. And they changed that up to like be just a kind of construct. Be who you want to be kind of thing, which is more aggressive. They in the original Red 13. So there was a couple of things in a shirt of building that were just dumb. Like the, you had to solve the mayor's puzzle, you had to find a couple of books and then take the first letter for every book and it would spell out like a random

pastor but it's usually like mayor is best so they changed that to this like puzzle thing now uh they in the original red 13 or hoja was trying to mate red 13 and erif as like you know how you made this is a thing like oh we want to we want to have her have some children yeah i remember this one are they just kind of say like it'll be a human kid obviously but in the original he was trying to put eryth and red 13 into the same thing and then red 13 was faking like to throw Hojo off that he was into it. Look at Blessing's face.

That was his line. He was like sorry, I was just trying to throw Hojo off. So that was changed. Sure, he was trying to throw Hojo off. There was a section in the Shinra building where you get captured and then get thrown in prison in Hojo's lab. And when you emerge from that, there's blood over the floor

and everyone is dead. And that's when you find out Sepharoth is like in the building. So they changed that up. But I think that was the one change I think I didn't like. But the rest, I don't think there's any other big removals that I can remember. Greg Miller. My question as an outsider was, how long would this Midgar section and getting off the plateau have taken in the first Final Fantasy? Six hours.

Yeah, five, six hours. Because that makes, I remember when this got announced right and it was like, oh, it's going to be episodic and people were like, we've only seen Midgar, so that's going to be short. And that's when there was all these confusion and weird takes on it. Go ahead. I saw somebody in our comments that said, like, you know, just, there's a lot of negative Nancy's, obviously. But one guy was like, man, this review for this game is longer than the actual game or whatever. Like, because there was rumors floating out there that this remake was going to be about 10 hours or something like that.

And just to reiterate, like the game is close to 40. It's around 30 to 40 depending on what you do, you know. I'm currently at 75. That's insane. Question for the three new guys here. Do you feel like there was significant padding? No. Like padding on the story?

Yeah. No. I mean, even like the side quest stuff, right, when they pop up, it's done, not awkwardly, but differently than most games that try to blend side quests in quietly. You know what I mean? Or is this like you go to the page. Like, here are all the side quests.

And like you have to find them. Yeah. Like even that didn't feel like padding. Even if they did away with the side quests. How sorry? Like even if they did away with the side quests, I think it'd be fine. Yeah. I didn't find a lot of them to be meaningful.

There's a couple of moments towards the end, I feel, with some of the vehicular combat, where new elements just kept getting introduced, and I'd be like, okay, all right, when are we... Okay, there's more of this shit, more of this shit, more of this shit. But, I mean, nothing super, you know, over the top in terms of padding, though. I didn't really feel at any point like, are you fucking kidding me? I think, like, there were some moments of, uh, okay, I could do with

without this right here. Yeah. I guess that's something that's so impressive because they did take a five, six hour experience and turn it into a 35, 40 hour experience. And it's not like they slowed it down. If anything,

I think this game moves quicker than the original did in terms of getting through its story beats. A lot of that has to do with the random encounters the original game had. This one's much more scripted in when you're facing off against enemies. But the new stuff they added,

so now that we talked about the emissions, like Imron, what were some of your favorite things that they, that they added to this because to me Jesse's family stuff was awesome that's not in the game at all. It makes sense why you as a player

and my cloud cares about them after that point because you can even tell by the end of the quest he's like he's having fun with them and he's not used to that fact. That is one of the better ones I think see in terms of additions Wait having fun what what? He was having fun with Avalanche as if like he's going in there

like it's part of Jesse's plan because clearly he's it for the money originally, but now he's like, okay, yeah, this is, this is a group that I'm kind of enjoying being a part of. Yeah, there's a great, go for it, Andy. I was going to say, there's that great moment towards the end when they're like, uh,

you know, we could use you cloud to rebuild the, the bar, whatever, he's like, you know, as long as I get paid. Yeah, and they all laugh and I was like, fuck. And then like, Cloud smiles, it's like, oh, I love this, man. Yeah, that's well done. That entire chapter, essentially, was, and the earning

comes from this chapter, new. Like, we didn't get any of the that the super anime-esque fucking motorcycle guy the boss fight oh my god what a great fight what a great I loved all the motorcycle combat we didn't talk about that in the review as fucking best road rapture has been in years that was that was all new and then going to jesse's house and I feel like all of that as close as it was in the pacing of how we played the game that to me was like wow this game's this is fucking good like this is a new take on this that like this feels like a new game to me. I have not experienced this before,

and I'm still enjoying it. And it's up to the quality of that stuff. After my replay of it, I actually ended up really appreciating the lab a lot more. So, like, that's a completely new addition. The lab underneath Sector 7 was not the original game. The first time I went through it was like, this feels like filler.

This feels like they were just delaying time. But then I played through the game. I was like, oh, wait, sector 7 has a lot of really weird enemies that don't make any sense to the entire game. And they even comment on it like, yeah where's this weird dog from it's like oh it just showed up today it started hurting people and then it makes sense oh there's a lab underneath the the city and that's where it's all from that's why it makes sense they need to go after

erith because in the original game it was she made the choice to actually go there why cloud and barrett and all them pursued is like because that's video games that's what you do yeah but this one it made total sense of oh they pursued her because they know hojo does fucked up things so now they have proof of it and they're gonna go actually go get her Yeah, I thought the Ayrith and mom stuff was really good, too. Like, that was kind of in the original game, but I feel like they expanded it so much in this, where it gave backstory in a way that I'm like, it backs up kind of what you were saying. And Ron, it's like, we need to fucking save her.

And I like to the mom was kind of like, Cloud, you need to leave now. Like, you need to not be a part of this stuff. Yeah. Like, leave. And like, you feel that as a fucking character where you're just like, oh, man, like, fuck. And I love the cloud. Said fuck that shit. And they all went back.

But then the mom totally, like, give us the story and stuff. And it's like, you say she sucks, Greg? Like, do you think that she sucks just like, you don't like her decisions? I didn't like how short she was to cloud. I understand why. And I forgave her for it. But then when she was short to bear it, that's when I was like, you get the fuck out of here, lady. Because when he runs in that house and he's like looking for his daughter and it turns out Marlene is there.

And he's sleeping. I'm like, motherfucker, I got a gun and she's my daughter and I thought she was dead. So I'm going to wake her up. She can go back to Ben. A 300-pound guy comes into your house and starts screaming at you. Where the hell is she? you're probably a little bit guard it's but then just like once it's it's all clarified that I'm the father and I go upstairs and like she's sleeping like fuck you I'm waking her up she's

getting woken up right now also they just took earth away for her so another another I mean kind of like mirroring on this moment moments before this where Barrett is like spilling his soul and crying and sad that every all of his friends are dying especially his daughter and it's so sad. And Cloud takes two weeks to be like, if she's alive, man, Arith got her. Like, why did he take, like, obviously, we knew the emotional moment, but he took so long

to tell her that she's sick. He also didn't know. Yeah, he didn't know, Rick. He keeps asking her, asking him, like, are you sure she's there? He's like, she might be. I think she could be. We sent Erith for her, but we're not sure

if that actually worked out of him. I understand that he wasn't a thousand percent confident that she was safe. Yeah. But why did he take so long to be like, hey, I sent Erith to go get her. Like, you know, hopefully she's safe. They actually, they do have an exchange about it where Barrett says,

just tell me she's okay. And Cloud says, I can't. And like, Barrett says, I won't do anything. I won't be mad. Yeah, he says it. Yeah, yeah. Actually, I probably would kill you. Usually, yeah, who am I probably beat your ass or whatever.

It's so great. Like, that's so well done of, like, usually we have these conversations and it is like, I don't know, I guess you leave it up to, like, they actually explain that, right? They actually talk about that. The question I have that I need explanation on, and it's a change, is that I, I adored Hellhouse coming out and fighting me at the end of the Coliseum. I thought that was some of the funniest shit. When he sucked me in the first time through the front door,

I was laughing. And Jen's like, what? I'm like, I'm fighting a house. And it just sucked me in. And it's like, eventually that came up when we were talking about the game. And you guys said Hell House is old and a reference, but not the same. Like, what is Hell House's story? What was Hell House?

It was just a random enemy that you found in the collapsed highway. Okay. That was it was just a funny enemy that, like, people have, I guess, memed a little bit over the years. because like, hey, it's a hell, it's a giant walking house. That's hilarious. I'm glad you enjoyed it, Greg. I was pissed off and I fucking fight. Get good, huh?

Can I tell you? Hard, dude. That hard mode fight, they add so many things that it's like, it took me a good four or five tries. I was so mad. He just spits out comedy. The whole getting sucked in part get towards the end. I can't fucking avoid this move, dude. Like, I was like yelling at my TV.

And the worst part is it takes 30 minutes. or some bullshit and then I died at the very very end I was like I have to redo all this fucking bullshit yeah the boss fights are all very very long that's probably yeah my biggest complaint about them is that they are extremely long so you do die at the end there's a lot to get back through

usually I did it a bit faster the second time but it's still a significant time investment right hell house was I think the most difficult boss for me wow really game yeah where it's just like there's it took forever for me and I beat it took my second try but it definitely was like a fuck this is hard i don't really i felt like i never clicked with like

what's the strategy that i'm supposed to be doing here to not get sucked in to not do i always figured out a hard mode is it like he can't suck you in if you're on the side or behind him oh okay um that that that boss fight was really challenging as well as for me as well as the unknown species giant boss guy the one t fan barrett fight yes um where i that was a that was a a very similar situation to Hellhouse where I died in the last minute of the fight. Just by like a dumb fucking move,

it was my fault. Like I just didn't see this one move coming and both both TFA and Barrett were stunned and then he dropped down, boom. And they died and I like about through my controller on the fucking ground. I was like, God, this fight's been going on for so long and I have to redo all of it.

Yeah, that sucks. The Hellhouse to me was such a fucking fun moment where the whole call Seam stuff. Like, I loved the presentation of it. I loved the commentators and just, like, the way they built it into the story. I felt it moved quickly and also reintroduced the victory theme and the fun music that.

And the poses are all the same. The poses were the same, spinning the sword and all that and, like, the teepra stretching and stuff, like, got such great, like, fan service stuff. But for it to end with Hellhouse, like, they were building it up. And I totally expected it to be Bahamut or some, like a summon, something that's like, oh, familiar, cool, I get where this is going. When that fucking house came out, I was just like, they get it, man. Like, this is so fucking cool and hilarious.

And to the credit of this game, they give context to the weird wacky shit. Why is their monsters? We know why. Why is their car enemies? We know why. Why is the fucking house a boss? It makes sense in this fucking world. I love that stuff.

You mentioned the commentary. The commentary is like, they're surprising amount. I've done that boss fight so many times. They have commentary for if you get sucked in, if you get sucked in survival. if you get sucked in and die, there's three different lines they have for that sort of thing. So they can, like, anytime errors use their limit,

they have, like, not really different dialogue for it, but different reads of the same dialogue. It's ridiculous how much stuff there is. Can we talk about that ghost chapter? Yeah. That's one that where,

like, if we talk about padding, right? Like, that's the one chapter I was like, this doesn't really fit into anything, but I still love this chapter. Like, it was probably one of my favorite chapters of the game. Creepy S-P is right in the wall.

That goes on another. or Final Fantasy 10 connection. Wait, really? As you, like, crawl through the trains, you see, like, the spirits going around, and they look like the spirits from Final Fantasy 10. And then that explains why they're there and why they're, like, people taking the forms.

Yeah. It's not a, like, hard connection, but it's one of those looked at it. I love it. I want seven and ten to connect so bad. I love everything. Dude, there was about maybe a third through this game where I was just like,

one day we might get 10 in this style. I fucking would die. dude. But yeah, bless this ghost chapter it was weird and like it's another one of those things where it was in the original game like it was two screens in the original game. This could have been cut for sure and they did it. They committed

to having it and it's like I know that just remaking Midgar kind of like if they were to admit things people would fucking lose their minds. But this was a more bizarre thing even in the original game but they they stuck to it and I feel really ramped up the bizariness of it all. So like

the ghost raveyard in the original game was mostly notable because there's one screen in which you can fight Eleanor, who ended up being the boss of the remake. But Elygor is important because you steal ERIS, one of her best weapons from him. So the fact that they just took, they realized he was fate or infamous because people would run around that screen for, you know, 15, 20 minutes, half an hour to try and just spawn him. And they're like, no, just fuck it.

Just make him a boss and just it'll stay on the assess screen, like, absolutely like, steal his thing. Make sure you come with steal material. Steal his item because he has anerous weapon like there. It shows to me that they not only know Final Fantasy 7, they know how people react to Final Fantasy 7. That's cool shit, man. I love that chapter.

What was up with the people with the numbers on their, like, tattooed on their arms? So basically, a lot of those people are like, they're Separathe clones. What's the word I want to use? Fan voice, I guess. Like followers? People have been affected by

Genova, basically. And they are trying to, like, do certain things to bring about... The reunion. Reunion, yes. Such a cool, such a cool name, Genova. Do you... Okay, so you guys haven't played 507. Are you familiar with the line?

This guy are sick? No. Okay. That is one of the more infamous localization things. And I was... You see that guy in Chapter 7 or 8? It kind of disappointed me they didn't actually use the line at all. That would have been great.

That would have been great. It was like a little nod to it or whatever. Yeah. all your base are belong to us. Basically, like, it's people who are, who are, have kind of macaw sickness, plus Genova is controlling them, which kind of connects to Cloud as well, because he's in a similar boat. Gotcha.

Yeah, it's weird shit. Like, Advent Cholderin, I recently rewatched it, and I still don't fully understand it, Imran. It's a weird fucking movie, man. It is. But, like, that kind of also deals with a lot of the weird Genova things and bringing Sephraoth back. So that's kind of like a theory I'm seeing on the internet.

lot of the Sephiroth we see in this game at the end is a Sephiroth from Advent children? I don't know. It's not clear. I assume it's a Sephiroth from the future, but to what extent it's hard to say. Yeah. Speaking of connecting things. So like one of the parts of the lore of 57 is Genova, that thing you saw in Hodo's lab,

crashed down to earth in ancient times and created a crater. If you read the description, the assessment description for Shiva, it talks about how in ancient lore she once healed the earth from dying by creating a polar, like ice cap over like a crater. Basically, they're saying in the lore that Shifa healed the fact that when Genova crashed, she was going to destroy the earth, and Shiva ended up healing that. So when you do end up going there in 5'570, the original game, why it's all covered in ice is totally explained. Yeah. Holy shit, that's fucking cool as hell.

How do you spell Shiva's name? S-H-I-B-A. Yeah. But she's also like a Hindu goddess. So like it might be hard to go over that. Dude, whoa, that's really cool. And like I love reading all the assessment stuff just to get like those extra little bits of lore. Yeah.

Wow. That's awesome. I love it, man. Do you guys have any, was there anything questioning as you were playing through it? Um, I mean, I feel like any questions I had, I just sort of attributed to weird anime, Japanese game shit, you know? I don't really, there was nothing really that had me question yourself until the very, very end. Yeah, I feel like everything was pretty straightforward, though, from, for a good majority of it. Yeah, like, my main question was like the, the, uh, Genova tattoo guys.

But I think that's more so of a thing that I'll learn more. It will get explained. Yeah, I was going to say, that's probably going to get explained in the next few games. Yeah, a bit more. Yeah. Genova's always been a weird thing to me where I've never loved her design. She just a weird headless lady with like, they removed the eyes from the boons, which is the weirdest part of her design before. Wait, they did what to or what?

So the original design was like, she's just a torso of a woman. and like on her like left breast she just had a big eye like a resonable monster yeah i will say i like this design best of any time we've ever seen her by yeah with the skull and all that it was it was really cool actually like that boss fight caught me off guard because that didn't happen originally yeah and the music oh my god the fucking genova music is so iconic and so good and when it plays in this it is just it's just pure hype where you're just like and that's true for all the damn using this game but like every single time they're playing stuff. I'm like, this is so

rat. Like, how are they doing it this hard? That is a question I have is so you are fighting Genova in that in that, uh, it's an illusion. Okay, it's an illusion, but it's not actually her. Yes. Like Sephora kind of transports you there, right? Like to this weird dream area or whatever the fuck.

One of the reunion people do that's pretending to be Sephiroth, but yes. It'll get explained. It'll be explained. The reunion people can pretend to be Sepharov. Is that what's happening until you get to the portal? So basically Genova is controlling all of them and Genova has powers. That's, what is, what is Genova's motivation to come back a lot?

Bring back reunion? Or to come. Reunion is essentially like bringing her back. Yeah. Like that's what they're all trying to do. Think about Genova as basically love us. And she is controlling lots of things to eventually have an agenda. Okay.

Yeah. I like the fighting system in this game. Actually, I had a question for all of you. Do you think Square and X should have been more upfront about what this game was? Or do you think it works better as a twist? It needs to be a twist. I think it works better as a twist, yeah. I'm on two sides of it.

Because I was more so looking forward to this game as a retelling of Final Fantasy 7, as somebody who didn't play Final Fantasy 7. But I do think also for them to pull off what they're pulling off in this game, then also it does have to be a twist. So, yeah, I can't really. It's the Millegger Solid 2 thing where like the whole ride and twist works because they didn't tell anybody and because the whole thing the themes of Relga Solid 2 are misinformation and all that stuff. And so like when you have that right and twist, I understand why people are, why people would be mad at it. But I also understand why it needed to happen that way and why that's the dopest thing about that game.

And for this game, I'm like, I understand why I understand why this is the dopest thing about this game. Why the twist and why the fate and defeating fate and getting rid of the timeline is the dopest thing about this game. but at the same time, I'm like, man, I, yeah, like, I, I, I don't fault anybody who comes to this game and comes out of it a bit thrown off or disappointed. I feel like I'm a fanboy on the side of loving the end of this and like this is, this is kind of like best case scenario for me. Like, I think this is great. I know that a lot of people are going to disagree, but my kind of argument to that is then I feel like after you play this game and you get to the end of it, if you want to know what originally happened, that's what the original game is for. I feel like the conversation now is going to be so much more interesting

the next couple years of talking about what this game can be every time we get a piece of new media and stuff we're going to have people that have never played the originals before at all and are just watching the trailer is like intrigued at it being a sequel then there's going to be the people that know it all

that are watching it like oh my God they're changing this, they're not changing that what's this mean all that stuff that's such a more interesting conversation than what would have just been when's the second game going to end yeah you know and I and I feel like to me Like this is a perfect time where there's so many people that are fucking hyped up on Mountain Dew right now about Final Fantasy 7 where it's like sure you might not have ever played the original before but you got two years now three years four years whatever the fuck it is.

Should I play the original Final Fantasy 7? I mean because every time I ask people say no. If you play it on like I should. I think things have changed now. Blessing's only asking me though. Like it's easier to play these days because of like the like in-game cheat function. on like switch and all that. Like you can just make it so, yeah,

I don't lose any HP or yeah, I always do heavy damage. And if you just want to see the story, it's not going to be a huge time investment. And I do think that like that's, it's brilliant marketing on Squares part for that. Like Final Fantasy 7 original is going to sell a shit ton new copies. Oh, yeah.

It already has because of this. And I think that that is kind of best case scenario for fans of all this stuff where like I think, and again, this is something where my fan boy is showing where it's like the first part of Final Fantasy 7 is my favorite part of Final Fantasy 7. So to me, this is best case scenario

where I think that what happens afterwards there's a lot of really great stuff. There's also a lot more filler-y type stuff and a lot more old-school JRP like weirdness that I didn't ever absolutely vibe with that I think that we might now get a Final Fantasy 7 part two, second part of this game, whatever it is, that I actually enjoy more

than the original. because I enjoy this more than the original already. I mean, I assume they're going to keep basic things, like the huge materia quests, like the tiny bronco, and golden saucer is a must. Like, if that's not in the next game, I will be shocked. Yeah. It's going to be fun as hell, too.

But, yeah, Bless, like, I think that it's kind of on you of, like, how itching are you to find out more about this world and know the answer to this stuff? because I don't think that there's that much expanded law you need to look into to be as caught up as we are. Like, I really feel like it's playing through Final Fantasy 7, even if you do the cheat codes and speed through it and, you know, speed up the random encounters and all that stuff.

And then watch a video that's the end of Crisis Corps. And then you're caught up. Gotcha. Well, see, before this game came out, I was of the mind that I'm going to not play Final Fantasy 7 because I don't want to spoil this game. But it seems like that's not really. a case anymore. And so I might jump into it.

We'll see. Like even earlier when Tim is like, all right, spoilers for the whole game of Final Fantasy 7. I'm like, oh, shit. Well, I don't really know if I want to know this, but it's been a lot of you. So that's cool as hell. Yeah.

Yeah, no. It's definitely, it's cool stuff, man. Any closing thoughts here, guys? I am more excited about the second game now that I would have been if it were just a straight remake. Yeah, me too. Yeah. Yeah, somebody who doesn't know anything about it.

like I'm totally stoked for the next one. And I think you've been zoning out for the last two hours. I've enjoyed the listening. It's just Googling what the fuck anybody's talking about. I saw you doing it too. I'm like, how do I spell calm? I never unlocked Shiva.

Like, guys, I don't even know who the fuck that is, man. 100% I'm right there with you, Andy. Man, you guys should go back and do you fucking Shiva. Like, that Shiva's the first summon you get from doing the battle intel stuff with Chadley. So like when you talk to Chadley he like assigns you like assess

this many people. His name sucks. He sucks. Whatever. But uh, assess this many people or stagger this many different types of enemies or whatever. You've done it naturally just playing the game. So if you go back and just talk to him, it should just like unlock a bunch of stuff. And once you do a couple of them, he'll be like, oh, I did a new VR thing. And like you can do these optional challenges where you face off against summons. And I think there's some of the best fights

in the game. Yeah. She was his height as fuck and you face off against it. It's really, really, really cool. Do you ever talk to Chadley when you have the dress on? I did not. He has like, he kind of freaks out. It has like this very like, uh, uh, and then like, I'm having an emotional response thing.

It just stops talking to you. He got a boner. He basically, yeah. I like it. You'll love to see it. You'll love to see it. Here's what I want to know. When do they talk about the sequel?

I, I would bet under normal. normal circumstances, they would probably like make a reveal by the end of this year. It's harder to say now because like, who knows if they're, if it's currently an active development or what active development really means. But I bet their initial plans are probably to have a sequel ready by end of 2021 early 2022. End of 2021. Oh my God. That'd be fucking cool. Who knows at this point? I don't know when video games are going to start coming again. Yeah, exactly.

Like it's just so obvious that this game took so goddamn long to make not just because, but like, but not just because of like, mismanagement, you know, I think that's where we always sort of lean to like, uh, all right, sure, it's coming out this day, but like, when you look at the actual,

when you play the actual game, it's like, oh, yeah, I get it. Like, I totally understand why, you know? I can reasonably believe they were, they spent like two years just polishing that game, like at least a year. Yeah. The funniest thing about it is,

like thinking back to okay this game was revealed in 2015 and it like imron if you rewatch that original trailer like i'll never forget when they were first showing it like fans knew it's final fantasy seven like there was you see the park you see the little like playground thing it's like you fucking know but they shot that entire trailer or not shot but you know what i mean yeah um they made that entire trailer to it was long it was like three minutes long and they built it so that people weren't supposed to be sure it was Final Fantasy 7. And even more than that, not supposed to be sure it was a remake until the final shot where you see Barrett and Cloud walking and it says remake to spell it out for everybody.

And it's like, even back then it was like, what are they doing with this? Because they're definitely changing stuff. And I think that now beating this game, I rewatch the trailer after, it can actually actually makes a lot more sense for what they were, they were straight out telling us what this game's going to be a long time ago. And that's cool as hell. A year ago they made that trailer that showed the first whisper and it was like, what the hell is that? What are they doing?

I made some sort of joke on Twitter that was like, what if they make it so the whispers are changing everything? And this is a different game entirely. And it turned out to be completely right, but sure. Yeah, man. That's just fucking crazy. But remember, so that trailer happened and then there was like very little heard about it until a couple months later at PSX and they showed another trailer that had gameplay. And it was just like, what the fuck? Like, this game is real?

and it's actually happening, but then everything went to hell and it's like, okay, it's episodic, cyber connects working on it. Oh, we got some D teams working on this. This game's going to be fucking shit.

And it's like, how did all that happen and then we end up here? Yeah. You know? It's a Cinderella story for sure. It's fate, man. It's fate.

Ladies and gentlemen, this has been the kind of funny games cast, Final Fantasy 7, spoiler cast. Very excited that we got to do this. I hope you guys enjoyed it. I hope you guys enjoyed it.

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