Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Game of the Year 2018 - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 202

Episode Date: December 31, 2018

2018 has been one of the best years in video game history. Here are all of our Top 10 lists of 2018. (Released first to http://www.Patreon.com/KindaFunnyGames Supporters on 12.28.18) Time Codes - 00...:00:18 - Start 00:16:14 - Honorable Mention 00:33:26 - Number 10 00:45:15 - Number 9 00:56:14 - Number 8 01:09:59 - Number 7 01:15:42 - Number 6 01:35:31 - Number 5 01:46:13 - Number 4 01:59:53 - Number 3 02:10:33 - Number 2 02:24:38 - Kinda Funny’s Game of the Year 2018 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:13 What's up guys? Welcome to the first ever episode 202 of the kind of funny games cast. I didn't realize that he's joined by one of the coolest do video games, Greg Miller. I didn't realize that the ECW. I thought I was going to get through back channels to get the ECW shirt I want. It's, WDB still sells it. Oh, yeah, dude. Oh, that's great. I know.
Starting point is 00:00:30 Well, I mean, I didn't think they'd sell the FN one anymore because they're all PG, but they do sell a purple one I want. Now I won't load for some reason. I thought you were about to talk about getting another exclusive Christmas card from another, like, prestigious media organization. It just sucks, you know, that you have to be here when all these cool. Christmas cards from WB are rolling in. Our Xbox care packages are rolling in for the cool kids. You know what I mean? Special ones.
Starting point is 00:00:49 We got, today we got a nice little email from Warner Brothers games. We got a nice little thing from Xbox where we got a controller. We got a little Christmas sweater. We got a little Ubisoft. We got umbrellas. Yeah. We got some of them.
Starting point is 00:01:00 You can take Nixon. I received none of these things. Do you want Nick's umbrella? My love though, Jared. Is that not enough? Well, if you dress me up in your love all over your body, I think that'll be over my body. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:01:10 all over your body. You put my love on your body, but I'm not going to get crazy. That one fly from Games Daily is back. Ladies and gentlemen, all day. We have been streaming. We did the final morning show of the year. We did the final games daily of the year.
Starting point is 00:01:22 We did a Wingstop Cross, Super Smash Brothers Cross kind of funny live stream. I'd like to point out that after all that, Tim Getties, you are now at least one and a half of these bottles in. You can get one of these so-called bottles at kind of funny.com slash store, a.k.k.a. bit. slash one of these. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:44 You got that. You got a you, you're not what. Dotly slash kind of funny.com slash store. And if you're saying to yourself, hey, that website won't work. It's because kind of funny.
Starting point is 00:01:53 com slash store, you need to spell out. Here's what we do. Here's what we do. I'm going to stop you right there. But this is going up in like two weeks. Right? Because we're recording it today,
Starting point is 00:02:04 game of the year, but we still have the one we did before. So this one shouldn't pop till a week from Friday for Patreon. Outside of people who are watching. Take my shoes off. Oh, Jesus God. It's gonna strap in everybody. If you didn't, I, I,
Starting point is 00:02:14 you can also get. Everyone here is already pretty socks. If you're watching. I'm not that true. Tim's just been drinking beer out of that giant bottle. No, not gonna happen. Kind of funny socks you can get there too.
Starting point is 00:02:26 And also if you buy this cup thing, you also get this shirt thing. Oh, there we go. It's our final podcast of the year. So we're having to fun. However, if in two weeks we still have the, we're stealing your identity thing,
Starting point is 00:02:36 we got problems, man. And I know we do have problems. His name is Nick Scarpino. But I'm just putting it out. there. True. Doesn't matter. That's why I didn't bring that up.
Starting point is 00:02:43 I just said, or the bit. dot lee will still exist. Bit. Dotley slash kind of funny. com. I can't believe you guys wrote out. Why?
Starting point is 00:02:50 Because they're weirdos. They're all a bunch of weird. Joey thought it'd be funny. And she was right. I've introduced Jared Petty yet. Everybody, the Reverend. Jared Petty. Joining us for our final games cast of 2018.
Starting point is 00:03:01 Breaking news now. Just to keep you updated. They actually don't have that shirt anymore. They're still being farmed. So I'm going to have to find the purple ECW shirt. So now you're back to back channels. Exactly. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:03:10 They have the one with the razor blade. I don't want that one. I should just bought the one back in the end of the ECW. I had the Sandman drunk 24-7 shirt from ECW. That was awesome. There's text fence right now. You're like, give me that shirt.
Starting point is 00:03:20 Send it over. Texts, Paul. Give me that shirt. Kevin, you made fun of me a second ago for calling this a cup thing. Jared called it something else. I don't know what it was.
Starting point is 00:03:27 What are we talking about? And I called it a something thing. What would you call this? It's a water bottle. Yeah. Literally, that's what you would call that. That's what I described it as in the site and what it is.
Starting point is 00:03:36 Is it? And you filled it with 32 ounces of beer twice now, which I appreciate. I understand that. 33.3 fluid ounces. So you're about 50 ounces. I just feel like water bottle is a weird name. It's a suggestion at best. The Wingstop.
Starting point is 00:03:49 That's a water bottle. Esports. Get in here for good. Show the people. Cool, Greg. Just clap for you, all right? And that's not, I mean, he's got the jersey. So cool, Greg.
Starting point is 00:03:56 He's just clap for you. You understand that? He's Tim. Who just played his first game of Smash Brothers ever on the, Smash Brothers Ultimate. Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate.
Starting point is 00:04:05 Tim Ragnarock is what they call me. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the kind of funny games cast each and every week right here on YouTube.com slash kind of funny games. We get together, talk about video games, all the things that we love about them. We've been doing it all year, and it's all led to this. Kind of Funnies game of the year.
Starting point is 00:04:22 The most important episode, not true. It's a great episode. Tim Gettys, from a fan boy perspective, I started working here in February. I have been looking forward to this episode since before I started working here. Last year when I listened to your Game of the Year episode, I thought, I want to be on Gamescast Game of the Year because it's so chill, it's so ridiculous. And this is something I can really get into because y'all take a long time and talk about a lot of games.
Starting point is 00:04:46 And I like taking a long time to talk about a lot of games. It's all true. All of this is true. I remember the first thing when we brought him into to do Gamescast, he was upset that he wasn't allowed to be on the last game of the year episode because of the timing and the way things all worked out. Because of course, you already know this, but January 4th, everything changes. Kind of Funny 4.0. Twitch.tv. We're going to be doing
Starting point is 00:05:08 a 12-hour live stream and everything's going to change. Dono DNA. Including a lot of Patreon changes. But one thing... Oh, that's the first time you ever tease. I'm like that.
Starting point is 00:05:18 Oh, yeah. What have you revealed? I'm going to stop my train of thought there because I was going to say something that I shouldn't say. If at any point you've decided, you know what? I shouldn't talk anymore.
Starting point is 00:05:31 I'll take the baton and host the show. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. No, we're not even close to that. I'm just being, I'm being Tim Ragnarok right now. But I explain to Tim Ragnarok because I, maybe it happened on the morning show. I haven't watched it. I heard it today for the first time.
Starting point is 00:05:44 For the last, we've been teasing this kind of funny four point out, but we didn't even need to get there. It was just right next to that. Like I feel like kind of 44. It's going to be like the Avengers Infinity War. Okay. Tim Ragnarok. We're going to get 10. Infinity War.
Starting point is 00:05:57 No, it's going to be me coming in and like having the moment of the movie. But the point is for the last. It's all like Transformers the movie where you're all killed off and replaced. by new characters. No, no, no, no, it's not like that. It's like, I sucked in Tim 1 and Tim 2. You didn't suck in Tim 1 and Tim 2. I did, though.
Starting point is 00:06:12 I did. But now I'm here. Don't even wrong. You've killed it all week on the morning show. I didn't realize this because you're Tim Raggaron. It's because Tim Ragnar. You're Tim 30 for 30, man. That's true too.
Starting point is 00:06:21 A lot of things going on. That Tim 1 and Tim 2, those are the ones that got you into the 30th or 30. Those are the ones that got you verified on Instagram. Don't refute that fucking Instagram. I lost a lot of my segue that I was going to use for this, but it doesn't. Doesn't matter. I'm going right into it. Thank you to Patreon producers, Matthew, Felior, and Travis Barrett for helping make this show happen. You can get the show early. You can watch it live with us on patreon.com slash kind of funny games or you can watch it early as a VOD or an audio thing with a pre and post show. This week we did Super Smash Bros. We just played some ultimate. We had some fun. Steam. Oh, it was good. It was real good. Cool. Great. Played his first games. You can see that on Patreon.com slash kind of funny games. But now let's just get right into it. Game of the year, gentlemen.
Starting point is 00:07:05 Game of the year. Last year, there's some discussion beforehand. Do we go around moving up our top 10, honorable mentions and such, or are we presenting our whole list at once? How's it working? That's a very, very good question. I like this discussion. This discussion, I feel, is the most important part of a game of the year discussion.
Starting point is 00:07:22 Because a lot of people just see it and they're like, oh, this is what game of the year is and they have their own thoughts on what that means. Yeah. I feel like game of the year needs to have the discussion of the rules. of what are we talking about? What does this mean? Especially in a world, when we're looking at 2018, there's a lot of things of games that are ongoing services,
Starting point is 00:07:41 games that is last year we had the whole conundrum of, does PubG count? Like, it's early access. Can we call a game of the year? Now, Fortnite, you include that. Like, things get complicated. I feel like a discussion needs to be had. How should we handle this?
Starting point is 00:07:53 Greg Miller, what are your thoughts? What I appreciate about our top 10 list when we come in are generally, it's us going, hey, these are my 10 favorite games of the year. here's the order for me of my favorite games. And then when we get to the end, we usually do, here's have a discussion of what is kind of funny this game of the year, which I think is held to a different standard sometimes, not all the time, right?
Starting point is 00:08:14 They're not, they're mutually exclusive in terms of like, what game do we think was the best game of this year, that kind of thing. So I think this time around, yeah, it's more, yeah,
Starting point is 00:08:22 it's the normal thing of, these are our favorite games. Yeah, if I was still reviewing it IGN, and if I was in game of the year, and I had to argue for what the top five games were, these might not be the games I would, argue for instead I'm arguing for what I enjoyed the most because this I always feel like the
Starting point is 00:08:36 personal top tens are our chance to share hey this is what we enjoyed the most this year and then the overall thing is the overall thing yeah no totally I feel like even the last couple years I've been that way yeah and oh yeah yeah I think some just started really but even then it's like just because the majority of us chose our number one as a certain game didn't make that game of the year there was still a discussion and I feel like every time it ended up being that but I still feel like there's a discussion to be had. To Jared's question, I like the idea,
Starting point is 00:09:07 because I hate it when it is like, all, Tim, you go. And we all sit here and, I think it should be, we group our honorable mentions. Tim, what are your honorable mentions? Jared, what are yours? What are mine? Great.
Starting point is 00:09:16 And we go through this as quick as possible. And then it is like, all right, top 10 list personals, number 10. Tim, Jared, Greg, number nine. I'm great with that too. I love it.
Starting point is 00:09:25 I like that. And as for criterion, for me, it's a matter of games that originated at least in early access form in 2018. So something like Fortnite, which launched in 2017, I didn't put on my list.
Starting point is 00:09:37 Now, I don't have a problem with us discussing that. And if that's going to be one of the rules, something might get bumped because Fortnite's a pretty amazing game. In my opinion, the rules are, for your top 10, whatever your rules are. Because mine are different than that. At least released in early access in 2018, and I'm weighing two things.
Starting point is 00:09:53 One, artistic criticism. So this is, you're describing, I'm sorry, real quick. You're talking about how you picked your top 10. This is how I picked my top. Perfect. This is a really good topic. Right, you're sorry. How did you pick your top ten?
Starting point is 00:10:02 Artistic criticism. Well, first again, this year, at least early release. Second, here's how I think the game is contextually important compared to what came before and what was happening around it. That's the review angle of it. I don't like the word objective because reviews are subjective experiences, but they're an informed subjective experience, comparing it to what happened in the same period and the same genre, et cetera. And then probably highest up, the ones I just loved, the ones that were my favorites. That's going to be the, so those are the criteria that went together for me. Tim Gettis, how did you pick your topic?
Starting point is 00:10:32 I chose my top 10 based on the games that it's a combination of the ones that I love the most and the things that I feel are going to be classics that we talk about years and years into the future. Because if you take those out, there's a couple obvious ones that I enjoyed a lot that I would have put a lot higher than I did on my list. Sure. But I feel like this year is a rare year and it's getting less and less rare because I feel like last year is one of these as well.
Starting point is 00:10:58 Right. That games that are going to stand the test of time that we will be talking about in 15 years are part of this list. Games, not just one, multiple of them. And I think that that to me means that they belong higher on the list. Okay.
Starting point is 00:11:11 For me, my top 10 was picked on the games that defined 208 to me, the games that defined 2018 to me and were my favorite experiences of the year. I love Jared. Jared's doing a much more clinical, I think, and I love that of how they compared everything else, what they meant,
Starting point is 00:11:25 yada, not be the list I would go to IGN with and try to vote for how I would do it. My top 10, I feel, is a very personal, intimate story. And so, like, yeah, my honor mentions this year are pretty deep with five, kind of six with an asterisk. So that's, I think, where I'm like, I know these games were important and powerful and awesome and I'd probably argue for them in a certain respect, but I'm not prepared to or I don't want to because I'm putting these things over that for me. I have come to believe, Greg, Beth, dovetailing on that, that 2018 is, in my opinion, the best game year in history.
Starting point is 00:11:57 Wow. I've done a lot of thought on this, and of course everyone is welcome to disagree. I've actually looked at several different years that are often noted by historians and a couple of my own favorites. 1998, of course, always comes out. 2017, 2007, 1987, 1988, which nobody talks about. Really? Oh my gosh, 1982 is insane.
Starting point is 00:12:16 What are the highlights? Every arcade game you've ever heard of came out in 1980. Pac-Man? Oh, no, that's 80. But almost everything else that you've ever played came out in 1982. came out in 1982. On top of that, it was the absolute best year for the Atari 2,600,
Starting point is 00:12:31 the Colico Vision, and the Intellivision ever. All three consoles had their best years out of their long lifespans, and it was one of the best early years for computer games of all time. All three major disciplines of gaming that existed at that point had banner years. It's incredible.
Starting point is 00:12:47 82, I love it so much. I cannot wait for 2019. We gotta make a note of this. I'll make a note of this. I want to do the definitive, conversation of best year. That's a great, because that's the thing is I, last year for 2017 did a game spot
Starting point is 00:13:00 video, or, uh, no, game stop video, where I was like, 2017 is the best year for gaming. And I, you know, compared it to the years before. But I didn't do it this year, but I do, I have been in that same vein of like, what a fucking year it's been. Are you kidding? There's been so many amazing things from STEM to CERN. So great. We should do when you come back. First one back.
Starting point is 00:13:16 It's good as nine days. Not first one. I have a plan for the first one. Ah, but I do. I do love that. Hold on. Let me let me get out. Me too. Because we just get to make it up as we go. Yeah, that's kind of great. And we get to talk about things we love for a living. Sure, that's cool too.
Starting point is 00:13:29 It's way better than work, you know. Yeah. My gut tells me, because I was thinking about this, it's interesting you bringing this up because earlier I was making my list and my gut told me that 2017 was better than 2018. But as I'm looking at it, at the end of the day, there's a couple of games on my list this year, more than one again, that I would say are 10 out of 10.
Starting point is 00:13:48 And see, that's my problem. That's my problem too, is that I don't, it's been a long week slash year. So I don't I mean obviously Zelda in Mario and Lost Legacy was last year right? Right somebody thank you and so like yeah I can sit there and I can start thinking of why I was saying that about 2017 But yeah looking at my list now I would pick these games this year over those I write like I think God of war is my favorite game of all time Yeah 17 was for what's probably number one
Starting point is 00:14:15 But you know 17's an incredible year and again it's all about it's subjective everybody's allowed to have their own favorites I think we're right. I think that this one's, what blew me away was when I started working on this list. I have this thing like 20-some games long on my list here. And these are the things that I was like, I have to mention these. That's hard. Sirens are on our end. That's hardly the beginning of the games I thoroughly enjoyed this year.
Starting point is 00:14:37 These are just the ones that I'm like, it would be a crime not to bring them up. They're so good. And that's amazing. Also, is there any human being out there that could possibly bring me to LaCroy? Cool, Greg! I can go get it. No, you have a job to do, Kevin. What?
Starting point is 00:14:51 Yep. Cool, Greg, would you mind bring it a couple to Crois, please? Thanks, cool, Greg,
Starting point is 00:14:55 we love you. Now, having said all of this, and I mean, I think this is also just a testament to who we are and us being able to
Starting point is 00:15:00 just like the things that we like, I feel like my top 10 list this year is the least interesting top 10 list of all time. I feel like the majority of people would be like, oh, what's Tim's top 10?
Starting point is 00:15:11 I can name it. And like, they would be able to easily decide. There was no question for me. Hold on. Hold on. Over dead. Over den.
Starting point is 00:15:19 Over Den, the messenger. Exactly. Okay. That's actually a fun game though. Not the top 10. I feel like that would take me too long to do. But I would like to do top five or top three predictions.
Starting point is 00:15:30 I'm going to write them down and then, yeah, you can see later. Okay. Super Smash Brothers Tim. But yeah. So that's, I love this though, that we each are coming in with something different. But at the end of the day, we'll have that conversation about what this could mean in the long run. So you wanted to start off with the monomable mentions? No, I want you to tell me right now as I try to get.
Starting point is 00:15:50 and get inside the Tim Getty's head and think of hype and everything else. Your list again, is it your favorite games or is it the games of the critical importance? I mean, my thing is favorite games. And then the critical importance is how I ranked them. Oh, that's interesting. That is interesting. Nice. Nice.
Starting point is 00:16:09 So are we honorable mentioning first? Is that how it works? Yeah, let's sort of. I want to start. I've written down my top five. Jared will look at them or your top five is I've guessed them. I can't actually read the third one. It's well third is I'm gonna cross that out put it up there.
Starting point is 00:16:22 Oh, okay. All right. So he's my, he's my, don't actually disagree with that list. Hey, you do? I think it's right. Right what you think it's gonna be. Let me try to guess everybody get inside Tim Getty's hype head moment. Super easy, man.
Starting point is 00:16:32 You're super easy. I'm sorry. I shouldn't set that. I take it too far. It's true. It's too far. I'm gonna start with my honorable mention. Okay.
Starting point is 00:16:40 All right? Yeah, I'm listening. You're doing all of them at once? Are we doing one by one? I only have one. Oh, wow. Okay. I only have one honorable mention for 2018.
Starting point is 00:16:48 I'm feeling. Jared and I play more by the old rules with Colin where it's like 17 honorable mentions. I mean, even this when you hear, you know, they're fucked him. But like to me, what my list means, I got to give an honorable mention to Amplitude.
Starting point is 00:17:00 Oh, nice. Amplitude, a game that came out, 2015, debatably 2014, depending on how you're doing the math because Kickstarter people got it early. Sure, sure. One of my favorite games of all time, I can't believe they made a new one on PlayStation 4.
Starting point is 00:17:14 They did. No one fucking played it. They'll never make more. It's just the thing that we had. I go back to that game so often. I play that game so often. That means a lot, man. And for me with video games,
Starting point is 00:17:25 I have never had an experience like I've had with Amplitude PS4, where it's a arcade battle against somebody that didn't even know I was fighting them with Andrew or Renee. Of course. You've been chasing Andrew Renee's ghost for quite some time. She's my amplitude partner in crime, because she's the only other person I know that loves it as much as I do. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:45 And I will never forget, and this is years ago now, that I saw, like me and her friends on PSN, and I saw her leaderboard compared to mine. I'm like, oh my God, she's really fucking good. And I also think I'm really fucking good at that game, which is rare. So I was like, I need to systematically take her down over time.
Starting point is 00:18:02 I started off with better scores than her. I want everybody to understand that overall. Because they count your overall score, but then it's a song by song. So I made it a personal challenge over the last couple years to... Whenever I have free time to pop in and not do big narrative game,
Starting point is 00:18:17 not do anything else. Just pop in, see if I can beat her score on a specific song. And it took me three years to take them down one by one by one. And I had the final six to deal with this year. And I got them done. Right now as it stands, every single song I have a higher score than Andrew Renee. And Henry Renee, you've officially been chumped. Do you think she's going to like spend Christmas break bouncing?
Starting point is 00:18:40 I fucking hope. Oh, God, there's nothing I want more than for her to like get it. Because she hasn't played in three years. You know what I mean? It's me playing against her. the scores that were once there. Somebody's got to go out there and do destiny. And that's her.
Starting point is 00:18:51 It's you playing against the ghost. Because of that, exactly. I want to give it the honorable mention because I played so much of it in 2018. And also, I want to talk about the game as much as I can because the more people that buy it, there's hope or something. Maybe. It's over it. I don't know, man.
Starting point is 00:19:06 Thumper. Just be thumper. That's all you got. Be thaber. That's all you got. I love those two so much. Some good things. Appetudes different.
Starting point is 00:19:12 What's yours, Joe? So, unsurprisingly, mine's way overboard. Imagine that. These are not all the games. games I like this year. These are all the games that knocked me on my butt this year. We're surprisingly good. The Booty Patrol games as we call it. Yeah. This one might be higher
Starting point is 00:19:25 if I'd had more time to play it. And that's Oberiden, which I liked way more than I thought I would. Really? Yeah. Oberlin is rad. Have you played it at all? No, I've seen a lot from it and looked at the videos of it, and I get it. I think that given another week, this might have made its way into the top ten.
Starting point is 00:19:42 But I've got to be honest about where I am in it. Any game that gives me the option to switch to an IBM 5150 monitor already has a little piece of my heart. Of course. But what a well-designed adventure game. It has some of those elements of like System Shock 2 or BioShok where it's kind of like, oh, there's this ghostly thing happening.
Starting point is 00:20:00 But it's got that wonderful adventure game format and that incredible art. And you're sort of writing a novel as you go. Love all that kind of stuff. So that's a very Jared-ass game. Tetris effect for all the reasons we've talked about it here already. So good. Another one that really might have cracked the top 10 had I had. another week or two. This one got hurt by coming out so late in the year. Monster Boy.
Starting point is 00:20:22 Oh, you've been talking a lot about Monster. I thought that might actually make your top 10. Monster Boy is, if you ask me about my top 10 in January for this year, it might be there. I have one of those games on my list. Monster Boy is one of the most beautiful video games I've played this generation. The animation is simply stellar and it's just so, it's so damn charming. And I really recommend you guys get your hands on it and play it. You'll be, it's a long game for a side scrolling platformer, but it's, you'll get a feel for it in a few hours. And I think you've been an idea why I like it so much.
Starting point is 00:20:56 It's just so darn solid. Catamari, because it's Katamari, and it's a great HD remake of Katamari. Hell yeah. Wonderfully done. I really, really like that. Donut County, because it's so funny and unique. Donut County is really, really great. Even though it's a compilation, S&K anniversary deserves kudos for raising the bar for what we should expect from collection.
Starting point is 00:21:18 sections. Sega Ages, likewise, did the same thing on Switch in a separated package, but S&K, he have so many games for so little money at such high quality. Just loved it. You mentioned Sega Ages. I need to bring this up, even though it's not the right show to do this, technically. Go for it. But I did get the Sega Ages Sonic 1 based on a conversation we had a couple weeks ago. It is inferior to the iOS port of Sonic 1. Is that because of the 4x3 ratio? It's because of a lot of things. But at the end of the day, it is, it is the, it is the the widescreen, it is the just everything that they added with the Taxman added to the iOS version, it is better. Okay, we're gonna have to talk about this. Yeah, we will get after. We'll
Starting point is 00:21:57 talk about in 2019. I just want to let you know I didn't. I beat Sonic one again. All right. Did you have fun with that? I did have fun. Did you play the Arcade version? No, I didn't. Oh, it's so hard. So hard. So hard. Ridiculous. Back to this. All right. You got to get it got to rain me in here, right? Astrobot because it's Astrobot, uh, Monster Hunter World because even though I never really got into it, it deserves kudos. I don't remember you playing that. How much you played? That's something that almost completely passed me by.
Starting point is 00:22:23 Okay. Naming games that came out this year? Apparently, boo. Not at all. Shadow. Shadow of the Colossus. Speaking of Shadow. Okay, the Shadow of the Colossus remake.
Starting point is 00:22:32 Is that one of your shoutouts? Yes, it is. It's one of my shoutouts. That was one of my favorite games this year. That was beautiful. But not top 10 favorite. No, these are all honorable mention, my friend.
Starting point is 00:22:42 No, again, there's another tier below this. This is like 70 or 80 games. Okay. So, I'm me. know what you're getting into. But that was a lovingly crafted remake that deserved a lot of love. Or deserved a lot of it. Octopath, which just squeaked out of my top 10.
Starting point is 00:22:57 Malacca, which is imperfect but wonderful and reminded me that I want to play HD versions of PS2 games again and didn't know I needed that in my life. Malacca. Oh my God, it's beautiful. Malacca is by a small Mexican studio. It's sort of like a PS2 third person action adventure game, but with beautiful. Beautiful HD graphics all built around Native American mythology. It's this wonderful game and everybody should play it.
Starting point is 00:23:24 It's on Switch. But I really recommend Malacca. Tim, you dig it. Cool Greg would love that game. I mean, that sounds like a cool Greg thing. It's a cool great game. Is it on Switch? It's on Switch.
Starting point is 00:23:33 And the guys who made it are fantastic. I had a chance to talk with it for on Comedy 3. It's really beautiful and just great. M-U-L-A-M-L-A-Malaka. Everybody should play that. Part-time UFO almost made the cut. Nobody bought it. It's how laboratory is.
Starting point is 00:23:49 But I remember you talking about it. Yeah. It's the guys who make Kirby making a cell phone game with no microtransactions. And it's beautiful and wonderful. And it's probably, along with one other game on my list, the best cell phone game you can buy for a single price this year and just play.
Starting point is 00:24:03 A lot of replayability to it, too. Valkyria 4 deserves a shout-out. Shin-McGamma Tense Strange Journey, even though it's a remake. What a game. If you own a 3DS, you should play it, period. Warrior Wear Gold is probably the best Warrior Wear. Yeah, you said that earlier. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:20 And again, 3DS game, but Warrior War games are great, and that's one of the best ones. Mega Man 11, I was better than I had any business being, and I was shocked and very happy for the future of Mega Man. I think it turned the franchise completely around. And finally, Earth Defense Force 5. I had more fun playing that game than almost anything this year. That's crazy. Yeah. Wow.
Starting point is 00:24:41 So there we go. Greg Miller. Honorable mentions. First off, Tim, I like to thank you for this honor. This award. My first honorable mention is very much what Jared was talking about. It's a game I plan to play over break. It's a game that I played at Judges Week and was won away by, a game that I played the first two levels of and really enjoyed.
Starting point is 00:25:02 And just haven't had the time to make my way back to it. It's Astrobot. Ah, there we got. rescue mission. I played it. Judge Week came away and was like, this thing is really fucking special. And then it was like that thing everybody got to it way later of like, this is awesome. I want to personally apologize to Matt Piscitella.
Starting point is 00:25:16 I saw him tweet the other day. If Asker Robot isn't on your game of the year list because you need to play it, you're probably right. Let me jack you real quick. Sure, Jack me. More honorable mentions I want to give to games that I didn't play but like plan to play either during the break or at some point are Spiro trilogy.
Starting point is 00:25:32 I had to push that off because of all the shit we were doing. I'm definitely playing that this break. Astrobot, Boy, Bot, Astrobot rescue mission. And Tudgers a fight. Like the fact that I haven't played
Starting point is 00:25:41 those last two is bullshit. So yeah, Astrobot breaks my heart that I haven't gotten further into. It's just one of those things of, the showcase, the work we've been doing, all these other things,
Starting point is 00:25:49 right, it's a pain in the butt. And then when I do have time to play games at home, I don't want to be like, all right, peace out gin and put the headset on, right?
Starting point is 00:25:55 That's why I beat Sabre for me in the morning works so well because I'm up working out or doing whatever with it. Next up, Overcooked too. Oh, there you go. I love overcooked.
Starting point is 00:26:03 I loved overcooked too. The addition of online play was great. You know, it is challenging. It does all these different things. You know, Po and I spent the entire weekend playing it. I know Joey's been obsessed with it. It's more overcooked. It's great.
Starting point is 00:26:14 It's awesome. Just didn't make the list. I'm actually shocked that it did make your top 10. This one might shock you as well. Then Tetris Effect. I love Tetris Effect. I do. Tetra...
Starting point is 00:26:23 This is the game that really did do the thing for me of like, oh, right. I really like Luminous more than I like Tetris, period. Full stop. Any version of Luminous versus any version. version of Tetris. And it's part of the thing of like, I hint at your list later perhaps. I mean, who would be silly enough to put a PS2 remaster onto this game or a PSP remaster onto this game. You get to me? Uh, no, uh, it is the fact that I'm, I just don't have that natural skill for Tetris. I'm all right at Tetris, but I'm not nearly as good as I'm Illumines. So,
Starting point is 00:26:48 I love it. I think it's amazing. If my skill was greater, it probably would be higher on my list, but it is that game that I play. I fail and I bounce off to something else. Watching you play luminous is like watching Einstein do physics. It is a little weird. That is like to hear. Uh, my next honorable mention, which will sound a bit shady because it always is. Guacamalee too. Guacamalee too came at a bad time. I know that I love Drinkbox. I literally love all of their games. I said just trying to run back. Yeah, no, I can't think of any game from Drinkbox I've played or like, no, thank you. Even Mutant Blops attack, you know, in the early days, pub fun stuff. Guacamalee two came at a weird time, skipped it. I'm like, I'll wait for it on Switch. Instead,
Starting point is 00:27:25 it was us doing the showcase and they're like the Portillo and shirtless oracted person skin are out now. And I'm like, oh, I'll jump in and do that. jumped in and immediately was like, yep, these guys are fucking awesome. They get this kind of game so well. Again, as I've talked about on this show a couple weeks ago, right? Like, I think it relies a little too much on the story of the last one for you to really get super into it. But I haven't beaten it. I do plan to get back to it.
Starting point is 00:27:46 It's on there. And it's one of those lately it's been like, oh, last night it's hard on. I'm like, oh, I can't wait to play Spider-Man. Oh, there's Guacamayle. No, I'm going to go to Spider-Man. That's what wants her world was like for me. Like I'm surrounded by people playing it, talking about how great it is all year. And I'm just like, I keep missing it.
Starting point is 00:27:59 Yeah. Yeah, I got it. My next honorable mention is Valcaria Chronicles 4. A game, I, I love Valcaria Chronicles so much. I love Valcaria Chronicles 4. It is that, you know, I forget what the, it was some ridiculous thing, right? It was I played it for literally 14 hours straight where it was like,
Starting point is 00:28:13 he got delayed in London Heathrow. I played while we waited, got on the plane, played the entire time with the Switch Power Brick. Jen was so disgusted by me. But it was so good and the characters are so good. And I think I like the Valcaria Chronicles one cast better. I like the story a little bit better. But this cast is good as well.
Starting point is 00:28:28 what holds it off my top 10 for me is that I did that 12 hours there, which brought my game clock up to 27, 28 or whatever, got back and never got motivated to get back into it. Got back, got to my PlayStation, got lost in a bunch of other stuff. And it was that thing of like, man, I'm pretty deep in this game.
Starting point is 00:28:45 And I looked online to see how far I was. And it's like, oh, barely the halfway point. I'm like, world of lights. It's like I know what this game is. I've enjoyed it. I haven't deleted or deleted my save.
Starting point is 00:28:55 So maybe one day I come back to it, but I moved down to other things, which for me, I need to take into consideration. And that's where it gets weird here because I have a clear line, right, that separates my honorable mentions from my top 10.
Starting point is 00:29:07 At number 11, my top 10, which technically is an honorable mention, is Octopath Traveler. Whoa! Okay, you shocked me there. I love Octopath Traveler. Right.
Starting point is 00:29:17 Octopat. I am not a JRP guy, which I know sounds funny because I reviewed persona and I love persona, but of course, I didn't finish persona 5 and all these different things. Persona 4 I reviewed. it was hypnotic to me.
Starting point is 00:29:30 And I love it. And I love the gameplay. And to the point, oh, that soundtrack where I told you guys, right, you know, I'm on a plane.
Starting point is 00:29:36 I just want to go to sleep, but I've been playing, make a hard save, and then sit there with the game, turn off sleep mode on the switch and sleep there, just listening to the soundtrack. I love Octobath.
Starting point is 00:29:44 Octop's great. The problem I had, and this is my usual problem with really, really long games, is that, hey, I'm playing Octabath.
Starting point is 00:29:50 I'm having great time. Oh, shit, Valkyria's here. I'm going to pass the torch so I can talk about something current on our shows. past the torch and ever since then, I've done it where I go over. I'm like, I'm gonna jump back in.
Starting point is 00:29:59 It's like, wait, but where was I? What was I doing? And it's like, I, again, I do believe I will get back to Octopath. I will not, I don't think I'll get back to Valkyria probably ever. It's on there in case I ever get there, but one day you're out of storage.
Starting point is 00:30:14 I'm gonna delete it. Octobath I will get back to and I will find that groove again, but I just haven't had the moment where I want to get back into that groove. Because again, as we talked about on games daily or games cast, I'm not a turn-based person.
Starting point is 00:30:27 It is a turn-off to me, that kind of combat. So the idea of, I'm going to jump into that is so hard coming off of this fall of amazing Assassin's Creed, Spider-Man. I bet you got Callans back in you within an hour. I think on top of that, though, knowing you, it's the fact that those games are your airplane games. And that's not at all a criticism.
Starting point is 00:30:47 That is actually a compliment. That's just how I can assume. For how much we fly and how much we travel, it's like when you're home, you want to play your PlayStation 4. When you're out, you want to play your switch. It's rare you play your switch at home. And that's true.
Starting point is 00:30:57 And so the, I mean, one of the big things that wise is even more of a heartbreaker for me is that Octopath was the rare switch game where there's a great photo of that guy, that guy caught me at a bus stop sitting there playing it because I was putting it playing. I was like, oh, Greg Miller. And then, but it was that I would come home and I would pop the switch in. And this was in the heat of the moment where it was, I'd go play, I'd play octopath. And I'd be in a battle on, and I'd pop it and play for another hour at home. And then I'd switch over to Fortnite.
Starting point is 00:31:22 You know what I mean? and do that dueling thing where there was a good I want to say month, maybe a month and a half where I only played Switch, which doesn't sound crazy, I'm sure, so many people. But for me, the PlayStation trophy obsessed guy, it was and that I was getting everything out of this console that I really, really loved. And so
Starting point is 00:31:37 yeah, I do think I will get back to it and I do think it'll be, I'll similar to Pokemon, let's go, where I'll sit there and I'll play and I'll be like, I'm going to power through for an hour, and then I'll be back down the rabbit hole. Yeah. But yeah. That was something I really appreciated as a quality of life thing about Dragon Quest 11 this year was that every time you came back in, it gave you like a custom paragraph that said, here's where you
Starting point is 00:31:58 are in the story, here's what's going on, here's what you have to do. And Octopath does that. You're going to Octopath and it does show you where you're in the stories. So that's why I wondered if that had any effect on you coming back to it. And I think it when I come back, it'll be a welcome thing. But it's just been, I've been in that thing on my switch lately where it's just like, what am I in the mood for? Smash?
Starting point is 00:32:15 I love playing Smash with you guys. I don't love playing Smash on my own. So like it has been a couple flights where it has been, fuck, jumping acrossing Souls. This is good. Not what I want. And jump around and eventually end up in another game that'll pop up later. Is that it for honorable mentions? Those are my honorable.
Starting point is 00:32:30 Oh, my God. We were pretty honorable. Yeah, no, that was very honorable. But I'm interested in your Pokemon placement. Sure. Was that not an honorable mention?
Starting point is 00:32:38 No, okay. Okay. No way. I thought that maybe would have got an honorable mention from you. No, no, no. Pokemon was,
Starting point is 00:32:45 yeah, I did 10 hours of it and I had that real hot streak with it. And then it was just like on a plane rider. I'm like, all right, I'm over this. This is fine. Like I don't yeah whatever stop wheeling out of the fucking balls you weird rock thing get the goddamn in there
Starting point is 00:32:58 His secret is that is his name his see was a geod dude I know Gio dude grabler what's the fucking snake man Onyx I don't know fuck him gotta hit it with water. I don't understand yeah right His secret is at 10 through one is all ghostbuster's world got it got it got god I'm so excited to see where it lands Do you want me to tell you? No let's keep it a fun little fun little thing you know what I mean it's like the Royal Rumble let's start with number 10. All right, there we go. Now it's for the prize. This is it.
Starting point is 00:33:27 This is our top 10 games of the year. Wait, wait, wait. Are you doing yours? Yeah, you know what? You're right. Yeah, just. We can all by numbers. Do it by numbers.
Starting point is 00:33:36 Yeah, that's good actually. Yeah, yeah, that works. Sorry, Kevin. I love you. My number 10. This is besides amplitude, the most shifty like, oh, come on, Tim. You're doing some bullshit here thing on my entire list.
Starting point is 00:33:48 But I'm going to do it on the phone. And I feel like putting it at number 10 is fair to give number 10. two spots to two different games. What? Whoa, hear me out. Hear me out. Because I got so mad at Greg Miller last year for giving Mario Card 8 Deluxe a proper spot on the list.
Starting point is 00:34:06 I'm going to share number 10 between Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze and Captain Toe Treasure Tracker. Oh, for the Nintendo Switch. Because I don't, I don't feel like either of those should be on the list. They're not new games. That's not, it's not fair. But the two of those. them together, they're two.
Starting point is 00:34:25 The equal one game. No, it's not that. I know, I know. Two amazing games, two games that were overlooked in the Wii and now finally had a second chance to thrive and they've both thrive. No, I think grouping them like that is awesome. They have thrived.
Starting point is 00:34:39 Yes, they both have thrived. And I feel especially Donkey Kong country Tropical Freeze deserves a shout out because it is one of the best 2D platformers of all time. With the exception of the mind card and Zipline levels. There's not many of them in Tropical Freeze. I know, but if they were all out of there, it would be an even better game. I love it. It's a switchup.
Starting point is 00:34:55 It's a nice switch up. Tropical Freeze is such a special, special game. And when you look at Captain Toad Treasure Tracker, it's such a unique, different game. And I feel like the Switch version is better than the Wii U version. Why? Donkey Kong. Why? Just because having it all on one thing, getting rid of the weird motion controls that you need to use and stuff.
Starting point is 00:35:12 You didn't need all of that stuff. I feel like this, it on Switch is a perfect handheld game, right? It's a perfect. It's on 3DS as well. I love Shrekker. It's awesome. And I feel like the added content to the Switch version helped the game be better, as opposed to Tropical Freeze,
Starting point is 00:35:28 where the Funky Kong mode was stupid. It was unnecessary and it wasn't good. No, but I tease you a lot about Donkey on Country, but Tropical Freeze is easily my favorite game in the series, and I love the fact that it got another lease on life because enough people played it. It's a rare game. It's a rare game through and through a modern rare game. There's so few of them.
Starting point is 00:35:47 They're rare, you might say. No, really, though. Like it's so special, it's so good. There's just the right amount of gameplay in this game. You're not going to be playing it for 30, 40 hours. You're going to be playing it for the eight hours to beat the game. But then if you want to go back and get all the challenges that are so beautifully designed, you're going to be doubling that time.
Starting point is 00:36:09 And I feel like that's perfect for a 2D platformer. It doesn't overstay. It's welcome. It is fantastic. What you just said about rare games and it probably has something to do with the gin. Just made me hope beyond hope for a AAA black. core revival. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:36:22 That's what ever happened. But instead of being about escorting, it would just be about blowing stuff up. Let's go. Blasto. Yeah, definitely. RIP Blasto. I think that's a great,
Starting point is 00:36:31 like, pair of picks there. I was a little shaky on the whole two in one spot. And no, that's a, there's a theme to it. There's a theme. There's a reason.
Starting point is 00:36:38 There's an idea. This is my only bullshit on the list. That's good. I like that. Jared. Number 10, Into the breach. Ah.
Starting point is 00:36:47 A game that takes a inaccessible, frustrating genre and makes it instantly comprehensible and ridiculously addictive. Turn-based strategy. It's a term-based strategy game. Similar to Advanced Wars. Is that what I understand?
Starting point is 00:36:59 No, Advanced Wars is different. Advanced Wars is played on like a big map. Yeah, with Fog War. I like Advanced Wars a lot. So this one's similar to Valkyria, but 2D. Right. Valcuria, Final Fantasy Tactics. People always recommend this one,
Starting point is 00:37:10 I haven't played it. I haven't played it. They boil it down. Yeah, exactly. Explain it. Well, I mean, you're the one that played it. Yeah. You take all the things about those games
Starting point is 00:37:20 and you boil it down to a tiny square with just a few rules and a few abilities. And it's just you versus giant bugs. Yeah. It's actual chess on a chess board. It kind of is in a way. But without obtuse and difficult to understand rules, it's all about knocking things off the edge of the stage
Starting point is 00:37:36 or knocking things into each other. It just does what FTL did. It takes a very complicated kind of game and makes it super accessible. And it doesn't diminish the strategic demand. The fact that you can instantly understand, what's happening, it's so smartly designed that it doesn't take away from that. It is a superb video game that I think anybody that likes good video games will probably enjoy.
Starting point is 00:38:00 So End of the Breach is genius. And it's available on Switch and PC. Number 10. For the non-peasants. Number 10. Luminous remastered. I only get this Greg Miller when it's for E3 predictions or Game of the Year. When you do the glasses thing, an old, in old beyond trope, if I ever saw one.
Starting point is 00:38:21 God'll love it. Luminess Remastered is a PSP remastered game on the PlayStation 4. It's all over the place. It's the one I was talking about on Switch, where I'm looking for what I want and I don't want any of these things. I go back to Luminous. I talk about games for a living. I think that means that most people know my tendencies with video games, right?
Starting point is 00:38:44 Luminous has always been, since I found it on a PSP when I graduated, you know, the first PSP games I ever bought were Luminous and Hotschots Golf open to. on PSP when I graduated as a reward to myself before my first job. Cool. And I remember sitting there in my first apartment all by myself or when my ex-girlfriend would come over. And I'd play and then pass it to her. And we all got so good that, you know, me playing around or her playing around ended up
Starting point is 00:39:08 being an hour plus of not having the PSP and then passing it back to each other. I remember that being such a movement, such a thing. I remember reading one up and EGM editors talking about it. I still feel pound for pound Luminous is my favorite puzzle of all time. I think it's better than Tetris. I think it's more,
Starting point is 00:39:26 I think mainly because it's more approachable. I think you can play Luminous and not be good at Luminous but feel like you're making progress in Luminous and then see somebody who's great at Luminous and be like, holy shit, you're on another level. I can't believe this, right?
Starting point is 00:39:38 The goals are obtainable in it Luminous and you feel like you're building towards it. And it's the rare puzzler for me now is somebody who's played it, obviously on PSP, you played Luminous 2 on P. PSP, played on a PS3, so on and so forth. It's everywhere, right? I was looking through my Xbox library. There's one in there. I'm like, geez. I, Luminous remastered, I find changing the way I play
Starting point is 00:39:59 games in a lot of ways of, you know, now Jen will go to bed at 1030. I'll keep playing whatever I'm playing or play something new or, you know, that's when I sign on and do something online with somebody. But when I stop playing that, it is that thing of, I'm not, I'm not ready to go to bed yet. Maybe I'll do a marathon and see what I can get. Maybe I will instead drop out. I do want a platinum luminous, but it's not like my normal thing where I'm obsessed with platinum me in that moment. I'm very much like, let's see if we can get the 180s a day. And what's crazy about it is that it's a game that I feel myself hitting the gas or the break on where I'll sit there and zone out and just play and just whatever happens in this, you know, hour until the
Starting point is 00:40:39 thing runs out or whatever happens right, I die or have to stop most time. Switch that happens all the time. The flight ends, then you try to jump back into late level. Yeah, I can't do this. I'll do whatever. but there are the times where I sit down, I'm like, all right, here we go. And I'm going as fast as I can, where I'm sprinting. And I don't feel like me personally in my, my history with games, there's not many games that I feel like remind me of being on a treadmill or exercising or just being on a run where it's like, I'm going to sprint this entire time, or I'm going to back off, or I'm going to do this.
Starting point is 00:41:09 And then when to do that and when to find that flow and changed up. Luminous remastered is for all intents and purposes, the PSP game, up res, on your thing. But it adds the online leaderboards. So I do hop over, see my friends, see these things. There is the chasing thing of, I want to jump in and see what other people are doing. I want to go this way. I want to go that way. There are the challenges. There are the unlockables. There's so much content inside this game built around the puzzle. And that's the weird thing about it for me of, for me, luminous has always been, I'm going to sit there and do marathon, or endless, as they call it, marathon being Tetris. I'm going to do endless and just play as long as I
Starting point is 00:41:42 can. But then now there are these challenges of like, you know, okay, get 180 squares and 180 seconds, which is really fucking tough. And, you know, do all the puzzle, like, you know, there's trophies for do all the puzzles on easy, medium, hard. Like, oh, yeah, this. And I started doing it. I'm like, crushing it. And then it's like, how many are there?
Starting point is 00:41:57 Oh, there's like 100 puzzles. So it's not even that they're hard in easy. It's that this is going to take me forever to do. And like, so that's this thing of this game that I feel for the entire 12 years of my career, my life has been. Beat it. Cool. Next big thing.
Starting point is 00:42:13 Did it. Said something about it. Played 20 hours. I have. Okay. And the reason I don't, I get a, you know, I personally, if we're being honest and using pickles with the fans, right, I get a bad reputation in our community of like, another game, Greg won't finish. And it's like, that really hurts because my job is talking about the next big thing. So if I put 20, 30 hours into your game and I don't see the credits, I still feel like I did a really good job of playing what I needed to play. Luminous is this game that is a passion project for me that I find myself continually coming back to. Never deleting it. Like, I'm very, uh, Annal retentive about my folders on PS4. So it is that thing of, ooh, I'm going to play this game soon.
Starting point is 00:42:52 So it goes to the one, two, or three slot. Illuminesse is always in that three or four slot where I'm always moving things around it and pushing it back or pushing it up or doing this. It is that ultimate expression of the arcade experience, which is largely a forgotten school of game design within the AAA spear. But there are games that are simply about a fairly limited set of parameters and mastery of those parameters. I have a centipede machine in my house. Nice. Same thing. It's a very simple game with almost endless variety.
Starting point is 00:43:21 Miss Pac-Pans that way for me, especially with the speed-up chip. There's always another tier to reach in this relatively simple game that's about moving a dot around a maze. Luminous falls within, I think, that same group. It is ultimately a test of mastery. Yeah. And that's for me the craziest thing about it is that I don't, you know, I'm sure you guys run into it every so often. you go to somebody's house and you're playing games with the first time, you don't know them well, and they'll beat you. I thought you did this for a living. I thought you were great at, you know,
Starting point is 00:43:51 like, that's not really what this is, right? I don't consider myself great at games. You know, I think I know a lot about games. I enjoy playing games. Luminous is a game I consider myself good at. And so it's very, stick with me. This is a reach. It's very hookish to me, like the movie hook, where like on PSP, I always thought I was really good. And it turned out I was fucking awesome. I was fucking awesome at that and the Vita version, right? Because I remember when Vita was in the review period And me and Dale North were going back and forth Trading scores, trading scores
Starting point is 00:44:20 And it was milky over in Japan who was working for them Who was like on Twitter being like, Oh, you guys are insane right now. You don't understand what you're doing right now. Like this is before anybody else said boards. Nobody expected it. And now, of course, I'm sure, obviously with anything, you go online.
Starting point is 00:44:32 There's way better people. Luminous on PS4 is that thing where I still don't believe in myself. So I'm not setting the scores. I know I said on PSP. I know. I remember breaking a million no sweat on PSP. and my ex-girlfriend doing it too.
Starting point is 00:44:44 And not doing that yet because it is the thing of, I'm playing, playing, playing, per till the needs to go outside. I need to do this, done it. And it's just that thing of there's these moments where I'll get the glimpse of it again where I'm just like drop, drop, drop, dro. And it's like, oh, there's the 12 multiplier. I was like, I wasn't even trying for it.
Starting point is 00:44:58 Like my brain is just conditioned to know where to drop everything. And even when I don't know what I'm doing, I'm about to do something good. Also, you're old and your brain is dying. I mean, that's also true. Oh, do you know something on me? It was either chicken wings or a, hey, I don't know. No, Moominness is amazing.
Starting point is 00:45:11 Moving on to number nine. Sorry, it took me so long. That's all right. Tim's pissed. No, it's a nice little segue. My number nine. A Greg way. Beat saver.
Starting point is 00:45:19 Oh, there you go. There is something special about music games. And both of you, I stayed quiet there because I wanted you guys to like, kind of put it out there so I can just kind of come in and be like, yes, both of that. You said the arcade experience and you were talking about without saying it being in the zone, having this thing where it's literal tunnel vision of being lost in this world where all you. can see are the notes coming at you or whatever it is happening in luminous them go inside the side but it's like when it comes to amplitude or when it comes to um beat saber coming at you these notes are coming straight at you and at some point you're going and you just you're not in control yourself anymore you're just moving you're just doing with the amplitude
Starting point is 00:46:00 you're just hitting the buttons and you talked about how how good you are at luminous and you know how good you were i knew how good i was at amplitude p s2 to get into amplitude p s4 and i'm not good at games and Like you were just saying it's like I'm not the type of guy that's gonna go to someone's house and if they say I'm bad I'm like yeah I am I don't give a fuck like that's not who I have opinions. I am not good Amitude I am literally top three percent in the world. I know that that's three percent of very few people that have played but hey fuck them that's it I'll take it I'll take it. But with that it takes me back to my days with DDR where it was a physical thing as much as it was a gameplay thing and you can only go hard for so long and with beats. It's like you get exhausted. Yeah, you know, I could play amplitude for fucking 10 million days. Guitar hero, there was a physical aspect to it and that was less like endurance and more like are my fingers bleeding. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:53 But with Beat Saber, it's that same thing of moving and being like, okay, I can give this one more try to beat what I just did. Yeah. And it reminds me so much of DDR in a physical way that I haven't experienced since then of like, look, I know I can get an A on this. Can I double A? Can I triple A? Like what am I doing? And with Beat Sabre, I have not played it much. And that's why it's low on my list. I really have only played it when we've done our Amazon streams.
Starting point is 00:47:18 Amazon streams here and that because I don't have any VR system at home. But Beat Sabre undeniably is one of the games of the year. It is an experience. It is something that is so special. It does something not different. It does something right. And I feel it's so rare we see that in video games because everyone's either trying to be different than what everyone else is doing or they're trying to be the next.
Starting point is 00:47:40 iteration on something that we've seen before beat savers the thing that we've all wanted forever and they finally did it it's a weird fusion of cybernetics and arcade philosophy like in one sense it's a Pokemon go type game it's it's a it's a off there in a world where we're interacting with reality in strange ways but machines are making that reality something that it wasn't before and that's the cybernetic end systemic end and then at the same time it's delving into that pure arcade philosophy which is just intoxicating there's a reason video games took off and that reason was arcade game design for years and years and years people did not get tired of it it's very very powerful and it's not that people
Starting point is 00:48:19 finally just didn't want that anymore it's that new things came along and particularly in the console market different kinds of experiences overshadowed it because home consoles allowed you to do different things but there's something inside the human brain that likes that trip and what's special about it is it's the definition of one more match that's not a multiplayer thing yeah I feel like one of a match is so commonly attributed to I'll get you next time, I'll get you next time. But with this, it is the tried and true
Starting point is 00:48:47 arcade philosophy of I'll get me next time. Yeah, I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it. I love that. That's my number nine, beat saber. I have lots to say about beat saber, but I'm sure I'll come up later. Oh, perhaps, indeed. Number nine for me, a surprise, even for me. But as I sat down and finally tried to do this list,
Starting point is 00:49:03 bloodstained, curse. Oh. Wow. This is the switch version one, right? This is the switch version one. Well, it's not just on Switch, but yes, this is the Inti Creates 8-bit prequel that was a Kickstarter extra for a game that hasn't even come out. And that's part of what impressed me so much about it. The folks at Indy Creates took the Castlevania formula, and they adhered very rigidly to simulating the effects of the Konami VR-6 chip on the Famicom NES.
Starting point is 00:49:36 And they're like, we're going to make a game that really does feel like it. could have existed on an old system, not just pixel stylistically, but in terms of sprites on screen or color palettes or, and within that self-imposed restriction, they said to themselves as a design team, what could we do? And they kind of accidentally created one of the great NES games. I mean, not accidentally. They wanted to make something wonderful. But in the process, they surpassed the art that came before them. Curse of the Moon is a better Castlevania game than any NES Castlevania. It just is.
Starting point is 00:50:10 It's fantastic. It takes all the lessons of those old games, fuses them, much as Mega Man 9 and 10 did, with modern design philosophy, puts it all together and creates a game that is far better than it has any business being. This should have been a cheap, quick cash in on nostalgia and a fun novelty thing that somebody played in, you know, whatever superseded flash, an HTML5 for a while on their browser. And instead, they're like, we're going to build a game with enormous replayability, Alternate paths, interested characters, powerful abilities, fascinating bosses. It's just great. And it's not great from a nostalgic perspective. It's great from this is a fantastic action adventure platformer perspective.
Starting point is 00:50:53 It doesn't matter if you like old games or not. This is great. It's a universally interesting video game. And if you enjoy hitting things with a sword or a whip, you should play this game because you're going to have fun with it. And it's not particularly expensive. How far out from other bloodstained are we right now? Richer all the night, right? I think theoretically ritual is a 2019 game still.
Starting point is 00:51:16 I wonder if it'll be a 2020. Yeah, 2019, 2020, somewhere there. But I think that ritual, which is a very different kind of game, which is designed to be more of a Metroidvania, I think it'll be hard pressed to surpass. Wow. Yeah, this one found so much critical acclaim.
Starting point is 00:51:33 And I know as soon as we got those codes from Inty Korea, it's what it meant. You were right into it. And you're like, this is awesome. This is fantastic. I did not expect this to be a top 10 video game for me. It's creative. The set pieces are great.
Starting point is 00:51:44 It's like, now we're on a train. And now we're on, you know, and you'll look at things. You'll be like, I can't do that yet. But it's not Metroidvania where I'm going to go back to that. It's like, I'm going to unlock a character. I'm going to replay it a different way. And that's a very different design philosophy. And, oh, it's great.
Starting point is 00:51:58 So good. Number nine, great. Number nine for me, a little game called Moss. Moss, you say. About a little mouse, perhaps? That is right about a little mouse named Quill. We were lucky enough at E3 last year, right, to do the first let's play of Moss on our test kit. And it showed so much promise at that moment.
Starting point is 00:52:18 And I know it sounds, I think this sounds ridiculous now because I'm sure you're a kind of funny fan. You've heard us whacks so much about PlayStation VR this year. And what an amazing year it's had. But I think it's important to point out that when Moss came to us E3, 2017, that first time we got to play it, PlayStation VR wasn't on the upswing. it's on right now. All the stuff was cooking, but we didn't really know about it. Moss stands out for me because at the beginning of the year, and the, Moss is one of the reasons you have a PlayStation VR show on YouTube.com slash kind of funny games because I played that and I was like, oh,
Starting point is 00:52:50 this isn't going away. This isn't a flash in the pain. People are iterating. This is, this has the chance to be something special. I was so excited about the year 2018 and VR that we wanted to do the show about VR. And Moss came out after we already launched the show, but it didn't need to be part of it because everyone talked about it. The idea, what it does is why I think Astrobot would make this list and probably will be a definite conversation when we come back in January
Starting point is 00:53:12 is the idea that it was the first game I played in VR that was like, cool, we're not going to put you outside of your comfort zone and make you do a bunch of weird shit. We're going to take what's already, what you already know from video games and put it into a VR perspective.
Starting point is 00:53:26 We're going to use that perspective of VR to augment and make better the games you know. And so controlling Quill, who, and again, the, she, Quill's adorable. The environments are gorgeous. Everything's beautiful. From the moment you start that game and, you know, the lights fade up and you're in this giant beautiful library with this book in front of you and you open the book and you basically fall into the storybook, you get what's happening, what they're going for.
Starting point is 00:53:54 And that motif's never lost the entire way through you. So to play, you know, with just the dual shock, move Quill around. But then as VR move things around, lean in, perspective. stand up to see where you're going. Avoid enemies find secrets. Like playing that game, it was like, wow, this game gets what VR needs to be right now. This is a great step forward for where this can go and hopefully where it will go. And it was so endearing.
Starting point is 00:54:21 It was just the, it was, it's, I think a great example. I've talked about two games, right, Valkyria and Octopath that I love, but it's just so long that I ended moving on, right? Moss is the opposite. Moss wrapped. And I was like, holy shit, give me chapter two. Like I'm still very much on the hook of like whenever they're ready for more, I'm all in day one, let's go. And I felt like I got what I wanted out of it.
Starting point is 00:54:43 I felt like I could have gone back and Platinum did if I wanted to and gotten more out of it. But it was that first game this year where I was like, fuck, PlayStation VR is doing great. Moss along with Astrobot is one of those games that makes me happy and sad for very personal reasons. Because of the injuries to her neck, Angie can't tolerate PSVR helmet for very,
Starting point is 00:55:03 for very long, but she's seen Moss, and she's just like, I want to be the mouse. And so there's been this kind of odd back and forth about whether or not she can endure it. But it's what I want video games to be. When I look at Moss, I think this is this is the dream. And that's my thing is Moss didn't dream too big. It was ambitious to the right level. It clearly had this list of, Polyark sat down and was like, here's what we want to do. and I'm sure there's more they want to do
Starting point is 00:55:33 but we didn't see it. But here's what we want to do really well and everything that made it into the game they did really well. Like the puzzles, I'm not a puzzle guy, right? Like that will turn me off to sit there like what the fuck do I need to do? Like the puzzles in this game where I did run into
Starting point is 00:55:43 like, oh, oh, oh, you know what I mean? Like you get to have those eureka moments and the combat is simple but satisfying and like the chase from the snake and this and the story they're telling in not only Quill's story, but then, hey, I'm running on something it looks kind of like sword.
Starting point is 00:56:00 Oh, I'm in a, I'm in like a graveyard battlefield. There was a huge battle here. And like they're telling a lot of environmental stuff. They're like, this is a really cool world. Yeah, I love that.
Starting point is 00:56:10 Number eight. Number eight. Pokemon Let's go Evie. There we go. That's the one that I played. I did not choose Team Pikachu. This is a weird one for me because I can't believe it's on my list. Quite really?
Starting point is 00:56:25 Yeah. I was very supportive of the Let's Go games. A lot of people were super down on them. Hate Nass haters. Because they were just like, oh, this is one, whatever. But I understood their place. You know, I looked at them and I'm just like, guys, Pokemon Go ahead such a success.
Starting point is 00:56:39 The Switch is having such a success. We're not ready for Gen 8 yet. Like this makes a lot of sense. Having said that, though, it is in direct contradiction to what I want more than anything as somebody that is representative of the worst type of people. Where I just want the same thing again, but to grow with me in the way.
Starting point is 00:57:01 that I'm growing. And it's like, you always see these guys that are just like, I want the same thing but the dark and gritty reboot. And it's like, all that I want is
Starting point is 00:57:09 Pokemon red and blue too that is in the future and it's a bit more grown up and it's all this. I'm never going to like that. Like if Pokemon came to Sega Genesis so it would feel like that? No, more than that.
Starting point is 00:57:20 I'm talking about God of War for Pokemon. Okay. Really? That's what I want to grow up. I want red and blue. Not again. The sequel,
Starting point is 00:57:29 but the god of war. Iization God of war 2018 isation of what that looks like a deconstruction that it's also respectful of the source material and and totally going still it's following the storyline and it's doing this whole thing we didn't get that with this and the fact that we got this means we're never gonna get that you don't know and well going back to cancel one one more time it's like they can't do it again they just simply can't they've done it so many times and for them to do it again now I'm like I'm never gonna
Starting point is 00:58:01 get exactly what I want and that's totally fine. Is going back to Canto the key to deconstructing Pokemon? I mean, if you're going to make the man who shot Liberty Valance at a Pokemon, does it have to happen in Canto? It doesn't have to, it has to involve it. It has to involve the characters, that's about that world. That's what I don't want. I didn't need it to involve canto the region specifically, but the characters,
Starting point is 00:58:21 the gym leaders, where are they now? What's going on? Like that's what I've always wanted from it. And there was like leaks and rumors of what the game could have been of like, something hit canto and something. split it and it changed what the world looked like and whatever. And I was so intrigued in that. That's not what we got.
Starting point is 00:58:36 But what we did get was something that surprised me with how much I enjoyed it from a nostalgia point of view, but also just from a man, this just works. Yeah. Point of view. It's my favorite Pokemon game. And you're crazy for that. But looking at the mechanics that they added and what you like most about it, which I understand to think about that being added to a future game that also has the story
Starting point is 00:59:00 to back that up and the characters and this and that. I think we're in a really good place. And I can't believe how much I enjoyed this game. And the few times they did surprise me, I was genuinely surprised. And that's hard to do from a Pokemon game. I wish that there was more of them. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:17 You know, it's still pretty low on my top 10 here. But going back to Canso is always going to be a good thing to me. But they did it in a way that I couldn't have imagined. Sorry to interrupt. So I. So Thursday. a long podcast. Yeah. I give it a lot of credit for doing what it did, for selling as well as it is, and for the future of what Pokemon's going to look like. I think it's really cool. Your passion
Starting point is 00:59:40 for it sold me on trying it, and I continue to play it. It's fun. It is, I've had more fun with this than any Pokemon except a mystery dungeon game, and those aren't exactly Pokemon. They're fun though. Yeah. This game is a success in my book. It's not what I wanted, but I feel like that makes it even more of a success. Yeah, that's a really big, I mean, I don't know what bigger checkmark you can give it, right? Of like, yeah, you didn't want this, but you ended up loving it. Yeah, I ended up beating it. Like, this is the type of game that I would have been like, I'm going to play a couple hours,
Starting point is 01:00:10 see what it's about and then stop. I got addicted, you know? If it makes you feel any better, this makes it much more likely that I will play the proper Gen A. So if a mission accomplished on that. There you go. There you got, Pokemon, baby. It needs all the help we can get. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:23 It's a real struggling thing. Nobody knows. Jared, what's number eight? Thank you. Uh, Joey. Number eight for me, Dragon Quest 11. Hey! Yeah, I'm not a big surprise, I think, for y'all, right?
Starting point is 01:00:33 Yeah, you talk a lot about it and you like it a lot. I like it a lot. It's a ridiculously solid RPG. It's an homage to Dragon Quest 1 that doesn't require any knowledge of the Dragon Quest series to enjoy. The story is, whatever. But the mechanics are so rock-solid, turn-based combat that keeps you on the edge of your seat the entire time, a beautiful lush world to explore.
Starting point is 01:00:54 No random encounters, great enemies, wonderful abilities, characters that are almost infinitely customizable but still have their own sense of flavor. It is just super duper solid RPG design. And I loved it. It's long and beautiful and doesn't feel overly long. The post game is even better than the main game. It's just great. It is a superb RPG and I think a lot of people slept on it because they're waiting for that switch port, which is probably making the developer very sad right now. They're going, oh, come on, Americans, please buy it. this thing. Sure.
Starting point is 01:01:30 But whether you're, you know, looking for a sale on PS4 or whether you're waiting for that switchport, this is a really, really solid game. And when you're looking at the guy
Starting point is 01:01:39 with this page boy haircut running around and like, I sure am in the village. Oh, look, there's this girl. Oh, look, there's a thing. Just give it a little time and suddenly you're going to be fighting monsters and leveling up
Starting point is 01:01:50 and gaining amazing abilities and doing combo attacks with your partners. And be like, I love trashing monsters. That's what this game is about, is beating the crap out of a vast, vast menagerie of enemies. Awesome. And it nails that.
Starting point is 01:02:07 It just nails that. Right. So that's number eight for me. We've lost the Tim Gettys. We don't need him. All right. He's got to go. It's one of those things.
Starting point is 01:02:14 You and I were nice enough to order Joey around to make her bring his drinks. Yeah. And I thought, oh, Tim probably needs it. Tim also needs to pee. Oh, okay. Well, I'm probably going to have to pee after like all the gin and like the four of the years. Well, sure. I understand me.
Starting point is 01:02:25 I will eventually as well. This is very exciting for me. He has a great show. I like your creating your own label. Well, you know how I did, you know, you know, after the end of, if you didn't know,
Starting point is 01:02:32 we gave away on Patreon, not gave away, but fan mail, we gave away my notes from shows. Uh-huh. We're going to keep doing that. So I like to make them fancy, knowing,
Starting point is 01:02:39 and then I pass them off to Joe. I love that. Here comes Kevin, oh my gosh, is he on a third of those? Yeah. Be careful there too. I'm really wondering if I need to stop with this.
Starting point is 01:02:47 I don't know. Greg, What's your, what's your assessment? It's the last show of 2018. I know, But I got work to do tonight, too. What work do you have to do?
Starting point is 01:02:55 I've got a podcast to edit and another to record, and then I've got two podcasts to record tomorrow and edit. If I've learned anything, being drunk while you podcast makes it better. Add it might be a little looser, but who cares? Pock's full of soup, completely plastered edition. There you go. Perfect. All right. That sounds good.
Starting point is 01:03:11 Number. The host will be plastered. Number eight for me. Kevin. I'm going to need you on this one. Number eight for me. Yeah. Is firewall zero hour.
Starting point is 01:03:21 Oh, wow. Oh, interesting. No kidding. Number eight, Top 10. Yeah. Number eight Firewall Zero Hour from PlayStation VR.
Starting point is 01:03:28 You're going to introduce me to this, Greg. I would gladly do that to you over the break. And if you're looking at it, yes, that's two PlayStation VR titles back to back. It's a good year for VR. And it's not the last one on this list. Ver. If I'm allowed to steal, and I'll say gently borrow from one Jared Petty. Firewall Zero Arrow makes this list at number eight, right?
Starting point is 01:03:49 Because of one simple fact. It's magic. Like that game is magic. And again, I think so far of the games I've listed, yeah, for sure. And even beyond that, yeah, by a long shot, this is the game I've played the least of that's in my top 10. I don't, I want to play more. I will play more. I don't need to play more to tell you why this game is in the top 10, let alone at my number eight slot.
Starting point is 01:04:11 Why is it, Greg? Putting this thing on and teaming up with Kevin and jumping into lobbies and that I'll never forget the moment where I was feeling like going to look at it. And Kevin said something. And I turned to him and I started talking to him. And then I was like, why am I addressing your avatar? Like you don't see this happen. We're in a lobby where you see what your load out as I see my load out, but I see you here. And it's so natural.
Starting point is 01:04:36 And we kept saying, right, when we come back to work, it just works. Like the fact that we would jump in and do this. And if you're, if you've missed these shows where we talked about it, it is 4V4, Rainbow Six Siege, Terrorist Hunt, where there are four people inside trying to defend, four people outside trying to attack. And it's Rainbow Six Siege where you're coming in using things. You have one life and that's it. You lose it.
Starting point is 01:04:57 You're in the cameras now yelling at your teammates. Yeah. They're coming around the corner. And like that fucking clip I posted right where Kevin blew himself up like and it's just like aside for like the shenanigans of doing it, the shenanigans of oh shit like dropping to your knees so that your character drops to its knees. So you don't you dodge the bullets. It's the like the first game where I've played where I've been like, oh my God, this is
Starting point is 01:05:19 the future. Yeah. Like this, they may not, like, this is the first major step where it's like, I'm, I am the character. I'm holding the gun. I'm moving around. It's incredible. The way people talk about, and this isn't exactly one for one, but it is for me a similar thing. The way people talk about the void VR experiences where they're walking around the walls
Starting point is 01:05:38 or anything you see in the world is modeled there and like they're actually moving is how I feel about firewall. Where firewall doesn't feel so much like a video game to me as it does feel like I'm at Enchanted Castle. You know what I mean? I'm doing, or Chuck. Chuck Echee's, David Busters, something that's not just not Enchanted Castle, only in Lombard, Illinois. People understand what I was in an arcade. There was a Latin's castle, that was a national chain.
Starting point is 01:05:59 That's a different thing. That's not what ours. So you bring this up, and this excites me. You said, Chuckie Cheese. I mean, when I was like six, seven years old, somewhere in there five, I was at my birthday party, played Super Mario Bros. In the arcade for the first time. And it's the first time I'd ever seen the game.
Starting point is 01:06:14 And the world just kept going on. And in a video game, even though I, I played Pac-Land before, but nobody had ever seen that. Yeah, yeah. The world just went on, and then you went underground, and then you went into trees, and then you went to a castle, and then you went under the water,
Starting point is 01:06:27 and then you went to the... The way you're describing this sounds like that to me. I mean, that's the thing is, it's magic. It doesn't go on forever because you get killed pretty quick. But it is, like, working together and talking, and everybody's doing it, and it's like, I see him over there, he's on your six, and it's just like,
Starting point is 01:06:41 the game is something incredibly special. And in the year where PlayStation VR has had... Like, somebody, I think it was Polygon, maybe today, had an article like, PSVIR has had a very, has had a quietly awesome year. I was like, it hasn't quiet at all. We've all been shouting from the Riftops that this game is awesome. I mean, the thing about that,
Starting point is 01:06:58 I want to bring this up a couple numbers ago when you were talking about one of the VR games, Moss. Moss last time. Yeah. I wanted to mention, I was like, I'm going to say this for the end. But PlayStation VR is,
Starting point is 01:07:11 is not my thing. Like I am very much a believer in VR. I believe that it's amazing. I've used it. I've been wowed. Yeah. And I know that I've wowed my friends that are not gamers that can put this on and be like, holy shit, this is such a crazy experience. But there's still this like weird thing for me where I'm like, I still want the best quality VR else I don't want it. Like if we're pushing technology,
Starting point is 01:07:36 I don't want this entry level thing, you know, and I've experienced what vibe can look like. And it's like, oh, I want vibe. Then I'm like, but I'm not actually going to get it. That's so expensive. That's such a thing. And then I look down on the PSVR side. I'm like, but there's not enough killer apps. There's not enough actual games I'm going to get. And now I look at it, and it wasn't until Black Friday this year when PSVR was down to like $200 or something like that. And everyone was talking about it, and they were talking about Astrobor.
Starting point is 01:08:00 They were talking about Tetris effect. They're, damn it. It's okay. I mean, I understand why. They're talking about Tetris effect. They were talking about Beat Sabre coming up. I'm even talking about Moss forever. But it's like it was those three, though.
Starting point is 01:08:12 Well, there was a bundle. There's a bundle right now that's, uh, Moss and Astrobot. That's why I think a lot of people were, I brought it up. But the thing is for me, it was Astrobot, Tetris Effect, and Beat Sabre. Yeah. And I was just like, am I about to buy a PSVR? No, Tim, consider this. I mean, think back to the days of the glorious whole NES.
Starting point is 01:08:31 And I understand the S-NES was your first system. But take the NES and consider the fact that the Sega Master System, the TurboGraphics 16, and the Sega Genesis, its contemporaries, were all far and more powerful in terms of hardware. They were all far more technically capable. but until the beginning of 1992 and maybe beyond, the NES library was absolutely superior. Just go where the games are and the people to play them are. And now here's my problem, Jared, and here's why I'm in an epic stalemate with myself.
Starting point is 01:09:02 I looked at that and I'm like, why don't I want to play this? Oh, Astrobot, Tetris Effect, BeatSaver. Beat Saber, a better experience on PC because you can download any song you want. Yeah. And being a music for, fanboy, like a music rhythm game fanboy, I've experienced that with step mania and with things
Starting point is 01:09:20 that were just like, hey, here's DDR, but any song you want. And I'm looking at it. I'm like, well, Beat Sabers is better on PC, so I'm not going to do this. And then that stopped me from getting anything. And that sucks. I'll help you build a PC if you want. We can make a video out of it. No, no, my PC's good. I just, I don't want to invest it's VR good. Your PC's VR good? Yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, definitely. Takes a lot to push that VR. Yeah, no,
Starting point is 01:09:45 but I just think VR's in such a weird place. Let's put a pin in this for later when a beat saber comes up on a list. We got to do it. All right. Oh, surely not. We are at number seven. Number seven.
Starting point is 01:09:57 Shadow of the Colossus. All right. You're braver man than I am. I have to do it. That's why when you brought up earlier, I was like, oh, shit. Someone else going to give this a shot out. I firmly believe Shadow Colossus is one of the best remakes of all time.
Starting point is 01:10:09 It's such a magical experience. It was in 2005 and the PlayStation 2. But I actually feel it's better now. I feel that back then it got a lot of credit for doing something no one else was. It got a lot of credit for being this vast, open, empty world, very Metroid-esque. And I feel to put that game out in 2018 and to see it thrive in a way, and despite its openness, because now openness is a bad thing. Openness, sorry, emptiness is a bad.
Starting point is 01:10:41 Openness is a good. I got a little loss. Yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry. I was saying the rock. Yeah. Emptiness is a bad thing. Except breath of the wild. And, and, but that's my thing.
Starting point is 01:10:50 In a, in a time right after Breath of the Wild, you took it right on my mouth. This game needed to be remade now. I feel like Shadow of the Colossus made the most sense this year in February when it came out after Breath of Wild coming out a year before it. You know, it allowed it to be reconessional. in what we think about empty worlds that are built upon not the world being full of world building moments, but the characters being full of it without saying anything. And that brings in the Metroid element to it. We don't see that anymore. We see Metroid other M. You know, we see us trying to take that and turn it into what games are now. Shadow Claus' remake on PlayStation 4 is taking what this game did then and making it look up to par now and feel up to par now to an extent. It's not perfect.
Starting point is 01:11:43 It is still a game that has weird controls. Much fixed from the 2005 version. That's what they did. It's still not perfect. That's part of the struggle though. And I feel like with the fixes they made to the controls, it works more than last. Guardian did last Guardian you were so frustrated with it and you had the excuse of like oh but that's part of the gameplay but he doesn't listen to you and I believe that to an extent I get that to an
Starting point is 01:12:12 extent with Charlotte Clausus though with the remake it really reminded me of journey perfect timing right here of like man I'm having this experience that I've had before I often say I don't want to play journey again ever ever Colin always used to say that it really hit me where I'm like fuck you're right like this is a game that was a once in a moment opportunity Shadow Clauses was that as well. The PS4 remake proved I was wrong. Question about that when it comes to Journey, just a sidebar. What if you played it with Gia?
Starting point is 01:12:39 Because for me, that was the Journey change, was playing it with someone I cared about and watching them experience for the first time. Suddenly Journey was beautiful again. Gia doesn't understand games to understand the language of Journey yet. Okay. And Gia is one of the most interesting video game moments of my life. It was behind you.
Starting point is 01:12:58 One of the most... One of the most beautiful experiences I've ever had in games was watching Angie play journey and the moment she figured out that it wasn't AI. Yeah. That she was walking alongside. Yeah. See, G. That doesn't mean anything to her yet. Yeah, it was amazing.
Starting point is 01:13:12 They'll come in. Anyway, sorry. I didn't mean to decide by me too far. But what I'm saying is, Shadow the Colossus is a beautiful game. It's a perfect length and every single Colossi you face is just breathtaking. And even though I've done them before, doing them again, 10 years. later was insane. It's like you meet them and to see how they were like,
Starting point is 01:13:35 it reminds me of how crazy it was that that was possible in 2005. Facing these boss fights, very few games have boss fights on this scale that each are so unique. And for what Metal Gear Solid did for storytelling on the PlayStation, I feel Shadow the Colosses did for artistry and epicness. Yeah. for a video. And doubly so because you're always reluctant to be there.
Starting point is 01:14:02 Since a dread grows that you're doing the wrong thing, you feel it. You feel that all these epic moments that are so pulling you in, you shouldn't be a part of. And it's not corny. It's so good. There was so many PlayStation 2 games that I played story-wise. Bottom Fantasy 10,
Starting point is 01:14:18 I'm sorry. One of my favorite games of all time. But for as, for as, like, meaningful as the story is, and for how much it hit me when I was 11 and all that, it's, like, as special as that is, it's fucking. horny, like, fairy tale bullshit.
Starting point is 01:14:32 Whereas Charlotte Colossus, as you go through it and you see what's happening and how dark it is and all this, you're like, and I was worried that replaying it, I was going to be like, oh, I'm going to get the same feelings as replaying Fom Fantasy 10. And I didn't. It's like, no, this is good story. I think I told this on here before, but Angie refused to keep playing. When she figured out that she had to kill the Colossi, she's like, I won't hurt that thing.
Starting point is 01:14:52 They'd rather not play. That's so special. That's powerful. You fucking coward. No, I thought like that. I'll replace you with another age. testimony to the power of the game. So that meant a lot to me.
Starting point is 01:15:01 Very bold, reaching out there for a, for a remake on your, that high. Hey, dude. It's amazing. Jared, number seven. Yeah, I'm regretting a pseudo-coding Gunned Godin earlier. Rayor Kippling, great writer, also wrote some pretty terrible stuff. So we'll leave that be. But number seven for me, Florence, a fine cellular phone experience.
Starting point is 01:15:23 A mobile game of surprising power and mechanical ingenuity. If you don't mind me interrupting Mr. Petty. Yes, sir. And you have great opinions. I like where your head's at. My number seven is Florence as well. All right. Team Florida.
Starting point is 01:15:36 Number six is Florence. Your number six is awesome. So the next three are Florence. Florence. Florence. I think we should just maybe do them as one. That works for me. That works for me.
Starting point is 01:15:47 Then you go, I thought you're doing it by number seven starts at this. Yeah. Florence, Florence, Florence. Just all the way down. All right. Cool. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:57 So Florence is. is just very briefly. There's nothing quite like it. It embraces some of the theme Celeste's in incorporating the gameplay mechanic with the emotion that's going on in the story, the fragmented puzzling, for example, things getting easier or harder based on the status of the relationship. It's brevity, it's discipline,
Starting point is 01:16:20 its variety of gameplay within what amounts to a 45 minute to an hour experience. It's exceptional music. the fact that somebody made a cell phone game that was not about trying to rip money out of your pocket. It's just glorious. As much as I love part-time UFO, Florence is art. It's gorgeous, right?
Starting point is 01:16:40 That's the thing. And I think it's gorgeous from the art perspective. It's gorgeous from the music and the soundtrack. It's like you're saying. And I think if you haven't played it, you don't completely understand it. But from the gameplay, which is simple of like word bubbles popping up,
Starting point is 01:16:56 and you moving things into them to make puzzle pieces. It's simple when you're flirting and you're starting this relationship. And then when things get rough and you start fighting, the puzzles get harder. And even with the simplest things of taking things and putting them on the shelf and then, spoiler for Florence, but I think we've talked about enough,
Starting point is 01:17:13 when the relationship goes wrong, taking those things off the shelf and putting them into a box, right? Like, that was a special LA flight for me, where it was me and Jen, me playing it, us sharing earbuds. And as we it all falls apart her crying next to me right because we've all had that
Starting point is 01:17:30 relationship that goes wrong like that and to see like you're saying a 45 minute experience deliver that kind of power. Yeah. And that's what I was talking about. I think last week right or two weeks here with gris gris is somebody who wrote in like I understand where that game's trying to pull my emotional strings and it's just not happening the way I think and maybe at the end it's all going to pay off in the other day but like Florence does it in 45 minutes and it's I got home and for the next week played that soundtrack. And it's and it's I got home and for the next week played that soundtrack. And it would be that thing where I'd be playing it on Spotify.
Starting point is 01:17:57 And Jen would come into the room, be like, please turn this off. Or we'd be together and it would do that. We'd turn the corner to where it starts getting sad. And she's like, all right, we got to stop. We got to stop now. I texted Angie, you have to play this the day I finished it. I came home that night and she threw something at me and said, why did you make me play that? It was beautiful.
Starting point is 01:18:16 Florence is powerful. It is. For me, and this is going to sound very weird. But Florence does nothing original. Get the fuck out of it. hear you piece of garbage and I only say that because I have seen this before in YouTube videos I grew up with YouTube I you know there was movies there was TV but I always had YouTube since 2005 when it first started but like when we hit the time around 2008 when people
Starting point is 01:18:44 started really getting paid for for making YouTube videos a group came around called Wong Fu Productions from San Diego they're awesome they're fucking awesome and they did a lot of storytelling based YouTube videos And they made a really, really, really good multiple, multiple series at this point, countless series that were very real, relatable, relationship-based YouTube series that were so real. And it reminds me of the story of Florence. It's so real where it just hits you and like, oh, my God, anybody can relate to this.
Starting point is 01:19:15 We've all had those moments. But what impressed me so much is that you can't do that in a movie. You can't do that on TV. whether it's the commercials you need, whether it's the oversight, whether it's this or that politics, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. YouTube allowed people to just do whatever the fuck they wanted.
Starting point is 01:19:32 They were able to tell that story. For the first time ever, Florence did that in a video game for me. It's not the first time I ever saw it. I saw it years ago. I saw a decade ago at this point, but they did it in a video game and they made me part of things.
Starting point is 01:19:46 You got to live it, right? I got to live it. I had to be the one doing the actions. I had to take the things off the dresser. I had to do all this. And it was such an impressive moment for me because I realized I saw where Wong Fu Productions was. I see where they are now. Seeing what Florence did, I don't remember the team that made the game.
Starting point is 01:20:05 For them making that game, what are they going to make in 10 years? And more than that, where a video game is going to be in 10 years? You know, the fact that we're at the point already in video game history as a medium, that it took a video how long to get through from 1920s with movies
Starting point is 01:20:25 all the way through TV all the way to YouTube in 2008 that I'm talking about mountains video games started in when uh
Starting point is 01:20:33 I depending on who you ask you I'm asking you he's gonna do that 50s probably the 40s really but we'll say in 1962 with
Starting point is 01:20:41 1962 was the answer that I was looking for Jared and from 1962 to where we are now to finally get there I think that's
Starting point is 01:20:47 very promising for the media of video games. And for that, I give Florence a lot of credit. So Tim Getty's sidebar here, I have to ask you, how many emails do you think this production company has received that just say thanks for everything? I do have to ask. I hope a lot. I mean, too, Wong Fu, thanks for everything. Oh, how many? He's too young for that reference. He's too young for that reference. It was a Patrick Swazzy movie along, hold on. Stop. Don't stop. Don't stop. Don't stop. Patrick Swayze, Wesley Snipes, and General Zod, Terrence Stamp, right? Yeah, exactly. They were.
Starting point is 01:21:18 drag singers. Yeah, and it's called Two Wong Fu Thanks for Everything, Julie Newman. Newmar. That's the name of a movie. No, no, no. That's the name of the movie. It predates, it. But the name of the movie is Two Wong Fu, thanks for everything. You should watch it. It's good. And I've shot to Wong Fu Productions. One of them
Starting point is 01:21:34 makes an appearance in the Game Shop, Maclmore parody video that I made at IGM. No kidding. Who are they playing? It's true. Just a random guy. Yeah, you're kind of doing a lot of this and a fur coat in that video. I've watched that many times. Thank you. I appreciate you. And it's true. Number six, Jared, what's yours? Number six for me.
Starting point is 01:21:53 Caves, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Nice. A game that I've had more fun with in the last week than I remembered I could have every time a new smash comes out. I forget how much I love it until it comes out. And then Smash arrives and I'm like, this is everything I want out of video games. I love deep narrative storytelling. I love the feels. I love being transported to fantastic worlds.
Starting point is 01:22:17 but I also love banging action figures together with my friends. And Smash does that better than anybody ever has and probably ever will. Smash Brothers Ultimate is a dream game. It is what I wish AAA development were more of the time. An investment in joy, not to stallion, but in the celebration of the medium and the best things about it, purely gleeful. I haven't even touched. single player more than I've absolutely had to to unlock things or have some idea what I'm talking about.
Starting point is 01:22:52 I don't care. There's so much to that game. It's such a vast web of artistry and joy that I just want to get lost in that world for hundreds of hours. I will not get tired of Smash for some time. And it reminds me that Nintendo is the greatest game maker in the whole wide world by a long shot. And every time I forget that, a new smash comes along to say, no, really, guys, seriously. Somehow every few years they sell me a $60 commercial for Nintendo. Yeah. And I buy it. And it's great commercial.
Starting point is 01:23:25 Yep. So that's an easy one. I love smash. I love it every time. I played it since the N64. It blew my socks off when it was a brand new franchise. It continues to do some today. Any game that can keep rocking my world decades later deserves accolades.
Starting point is 01:23:43 Number six, Greg Miller. Number six for Greg Miller's top 10 of 2018, Fortnite. Uh, again, uh, I, Fortnite man as somebody who's, you know, works in the video game industry, right? Like, I remember this reveal. I remember this trailer for Fortnite and like, it's going to be tower defense. Okay, kind of cliff introduced to like, whatever. See you later. And then up and noon was involved at some way, right? No. Not for the reveal trailer. At least the like early one of the first marketing. That was the spikes, right? Oh, you mean like we were brought to you by Fortnite or something? No, I, when you had Cliff on the show, wasn't that related to Fortnite? I don't remember. It's your you could be able to spike VGA.
Starting point is 01:24:23 Yeah, I remember. I feel like this was one of the first, there was a reveal, whether it was gameplay or something. I don't remember that. I may be wrong, but I remember being in the control room. But I mean, to see that game be announced, go into just being vaporware, nobody knew what it was. It'd be so quiet to the last year, yeah, last year, right, when it was Judge's Week. And they were like, here's the big reveal. We went into this, one of the hotels, we went into the basement ballroom.
Starting point is 01:24:46 We watched them give the presentation of Save the World mode. And just being like, all right, cool. I remember we're going to be like, all right, this actually looks kind of cool, but I'll never play it. But good luck for you guys. You know what I mean? And then that month of DOA and then we're going to do a battle right now and everyone in the industry being like, you guys are ripping them off.
Starting point is 01:25:01 That's really funny. Ha, ha, ha. And then to now you jump ahead of year and it's the biggest, year and a half. It's the biggest game in the world. No one could have called it. Yeah. But a year ago from today.
Starting point is 01:25:10 Yeah. I feel like PubG was still looking. When's it's going to PS4? Yeah. Was the conversation. That was a big conversation. And so to see it, I mean, that's been the story of 2018 period.
Starting point is 01:25:19 And in terms of you want to talk about like what has defined 2018, right? That game is rise. Epic's store. Epic sharing revenues. Epis sharing revenues before the store even, you know what I mean? People who are creating all the crazy shit they've done. But more importantly for us with it, it was for me that a game that on paper just doesn't apply to me.
Starting point is 01:25:36 Okay, it's a multiplayer shooter. Not really my scene, man. You know what I mean? PubG always looked interesting. I played a little bit. I was like cool. I didn't want to play on an Xbox when it came, but I was terrible at it. Sirens are on our end.
Starting point is 01:25:46 when it finally came to Switch this year at E3, it was finally that time of like, oh, well, it's free and I'm playing Switch all the time. And we were all interested in to an extent. So, okay. And to jump in and find a user base with the Switch players that was as ignorant to me,
Starting point is 01:26:01 as ignorant to it as I was, was all I needed because it was equal footing, where it wasn't jumping, because it is a, it's, I don't want to say punishing, but like that community's already been playing for so long to jump in on PlayStation 4,
Starting point is 01:26:12 like, what the fuck are you doing? You don't know what's going on. And I'd tweet around with it. always been garbage at it. So to get in with the switch and have Joey and Kevin and Andy all playing, Nick eventually joining in and really being into it, like we went so hard on season, end of season four into season and all of season five, right? And then it was that thing of as quick as it came on. It was over. And we moved off. Season six came or am I just confused
Starting point is 01:26:38 him? No, season six came. And I didn't touch it. Joey kept playing. Kevin kind of fell off. Andy was hearing there. And then at game awards when they announced. Season seven. It was like, oh, that sounds interesting. And to get back in and here's my money for the battle pass. And me and Po were playing. And we're playing what, would Fortnite get so right that I think you,
Starting point is 01:26:56 I missed when I was like, oh, it's not for me. And what you'd miss not playing it, right? Yes, winning and be, you know, getting a victory or Al is a huge deal and awesome. And that's what's great.
Starting point is 01:27:05 And I'm always excited to get down to the final few and have my blood pumping. Fortnite is so good at not only the daily challenges, the weekly challenges, the battle pass challenges of, hey, guess what? There's something in here for you to play and earn. And the same way I was talking about Luminas. I'll jump in and do this.
Starting point is 01:27:20 It'll be the same thing of like, man, I got 15 minutes or whatever. Oh, well, what's the daily shit? What weekly haven't I done? Oh, I have to dance at this thing. Jump in and go do it. Oh, there's these things I got to go do. Okay, go do it.
Starting point is 01:27:30 Where there's a very distinct difference of, all right, cool. I'm playing by myself and I have a whole bunch of hours. Let's try to win. All right, cool. Poe's going to join me. Hey, Pope, we're not going to win. Let's fuck around and talk and hang out and do crazy shit.
Starting point is 01:27:42 Okay, cool. I have 10 minutes. What mini challenge can I get in and get done? I've just searched this many treasure chest. I've do this many things. It's a great, it's a great game of there's a carrot at the end of the stick attached to my back.
Starting point is 01:27:53 And I'm always moving towards something. And I always feel like I'm making progress. And I'm always having fun. And when I die, I jump right out. I come right back in and do all these different things. Like, I'm blown away that I love Fortnite as much as I love Fortnite. I'm blown away that I'm, I've come back to Fortnite. When we lapsed on the season, I was like, all right, that's it.
Starting point is 01:28:08 Done. You know what I mean? And instead it was that, oh, PlayStation fixed. it's shit. I'm going to go on and play on my PlayStation now. And suddenly I'm unified everywhere and I'm ready to play anywhere and any times. And it can be that,
Starting point is 01:28:19 yeah, me, you know, Kevin and I want to go play and be serious. I want to play myself be serious. Po wants to join me and I want to teach them how to do it. Jen and I's friends have two kids that love Fortnite. Clearly we're not going to win. They're super young.
Starting point is 01:28:30 So we jump in. And it's just like, this is such a, hey, here's this experience. It's not even a game. Here's this experience. It's so funny that you said that about the kids.
Starting point is 01:28:39 And I took it the opposite way of what you met. Oh, that they'd be great. It's like hurting cats. Yeah. I mean, I'm like, we're dropping here. What are we doing? All right, cool. For purely arbitrary reasons related to chronology, as I expressed earlier,
Starting point is 01:28:51 Fortnite didn't qualify for my list here. Yeah. On account of the fact that it was technically released in Battle Royale mode in 2017. That said, this is the game of the year discussion. If we were having the game of the decade discussion, a game that I don't particularly play would be my number one on Game of the Decade. Do you think it would be is Minecraft? I think, well, Minecraft's,
Starting point is 01:29:11 previous decade game. Minecraft, I think of... So what are you doing? You're doing... I was going to say, you're doing 2000 to 2000. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:20 When Minecraft come out? 2000 to 2020. Minecraft's been out forever. I've been playing Minecrafts. I lived in... I was following with Minecraft and I lived in Florida. I remember IG being late to the game
Starting point is 01:29:29 and the first time I sell Minecraft was at the current second street offices, which we moved into in March 2010. Initial release date, 2009. So I remember that was the thing. And I was full in with the pre-release stuff Because there was an alpha, too.
Starting point is 01:29:43 So I'd say, Fortnite, my game of the decade, and probably I'm not a profit, but my educated guess is, Minecraft will influence the state of the industry from 2020 to 2030 more than any other game this decade has. Minecraft? You know, Fortnite? Pardon me.
Starting point is 01:30:00 Okay, just making sure. I was saying, I apologize. Fortnite will influence the state of the industry from 2020 to 2030 more than any game has. And not just the industry, not video game industry, every industry. Entertainment. The YouTube Rewind.
Starting point is 01:30:14 Did you see it this year? No. It's a horror. It's horrible. It's pissed. It's Fortnite. Yeah. That's why they're pissed.
Starting point is 01:30:18 It's a free game that you can play on any kind of hardware that's accessible to children that anybody can enjoy. Anyone can understand. It's family friendly. It's endlessly monetizable, but doesn't require you to spend a cent. And for me, that's the most fascinating wrinkle about Fortnite and why you're right, Jared, in terms of the game of the decade, is the fact that I can sit here right now and tell you why I love playing and stuff.
Starting point is 01:30:40 but I loved when we went back for Thanksgiving. Jen was like, oh, man, I need a different outfit for Thanksgiving. And I was like, oh, cool. So me, my dad and her went to Walmart and she went off to the lady section. And me and dad looked at toys because I'm, I'm me. And then we went to video games. My dad started asking questions. He's like, so what's the biggest game?
Starting point is 01:30:59 And I was like, and it wasn't here. Let me tell you about how Fortnite work. I was like, let me tell you about this game, dead on arrival, comes back from the dead, changes everything. this year makes PlayStation the biggest console they are a runaway sixes makes them bend to their will
Starting point is 01:31:18 and it's and I was like I whipped out my phone and I started Fortnite I'm like I'm playing right now in this Walmart with everybody who's playing everywhere if I want to and it was like my dad like that was like the story my dad could wrap his head around in terms of like I get this
Starting point is 01:31:31 and think about the repercussions for the epic store and how it's allowed them to do that monetization to open up an entirely new revel in a model we could have never called this a year ago For a million dollars, no one at this table would have been like, Fortnite's going to do this. Yeah. You know, it's crazy.
Starting point is 01:31:45 And maybe a little over a year and a half ago. Yeah. And wherever people are sitting in their offices planning this, you know, this, this Microsoft streaming future, you know, they're looking at Fortnite and going, whatever we do has to be better than that. It's crazy. And the thing is, it's a good game. Yeah. It's not just like, oh, everyone loves it because they're stupid. It's no, no, no, no, everyone loves it because it's a good game.
Starting point is 01:32:09 And when people, when Po jumped in the first time, right, he's like, oh, there's only one map. I'm like, yes, but in six weeks, this is going to be 100% different. Like, this won't be the same. I, and this is a dumb thing to say, but it's real. I never thought in my lifetime of gaming, I would see another Pokemon. You know, I remember being a part of that, like being the part of it. In 1998, I was in third grade. Pokemon was everything.
Starting point is 01:32:32 Trading cards, anime, game. Oh, here's the next gen. Oh, whatever. Oh, I'm too, I'm old. I'm too cool for this. Oh, wait. the awesome middle schoolers were in eighth grade and Ruby and Safarer coming out. We're not too cool.
Starting point is 01:32:42 We're all back. And then it was just instantly back back high school, whatever college, here I am still playing Pokemon. I never thought we'd reach a point that something eclipsed that. Fortnite has. I firmly believe it. The Fortnite CCG.
Starting point is 01:32:55 Oh my gosh. I'm sure. I am sure someone is already. When you look at it is I remember a time being growing up and Pikachu being declaimed, acclaimed. Declares. Sorry,
Starting point is 01:33:06 declared. Declared. No, Declared or proclaimed. Either one to be okay. Either of those, yes. Declaimed. I'm going to go with declaimed.
Starting point is 01:33:14 More popular than Mickey Mouse. And I took that as such a win. Being a dumb little kid. You know what I'm like? Fuck yeah. You like that? My thing is the best. Fortnite.
Starting point is 01:33:24 They don't even need a puretube. And that's the thing is like Fortnite's the great equalizer. Yeah. The way that, you know, our friends' kids love it. And I love it. And we can play together. We can play separate. We have these different experiences.
Starting point is 01:33:37 Like, their, you know, their parents are so blown away when we start talking is we talk like another language. Where there was, it was a funny thing where I, yeah, I, when we came over for a fortnight party with those kids, me and Jen brought our switches and we played with them. The day before, well, the dad had put up a story on Instagram where he was making fun of the kid, where he's like, I'm sorry, tell me, it was Colton who's, you know, been on the smash for the stream. Colton, tell me what that was again. He's like, oh, there's this, there's this, there's this, there's this, there's this garage door in the floor and people think stuff's going to happen. He's like,
Starting point is 01:34:07 And I got him like, that is a real thing. That there is a real hatch in the woods that people think one day is going to do. I mean, like, trying to explain these things that kids. And that's the thing is like, it is so what we used to do all the time of like, oh my God, you do this. If you do this and you enter this button combination, you hear this sound and this happens. What do you think it means? No, we used to sit at my lunch table and talk about the legend of Zelda and try to figure out of it.
Starting point is 01:34:31 And people would make stuff up. But occasionally there would also be this like, nugget of truth. weird mythological nugget of truth about a new thing somebody discovered in the second quest you know and you'd be like oh my gosh what about this thing there Fortnite like epic could close tomorrow the whole thing could collapse and Fortnite would have already made its mark on the history of our medium yeah top 10 I'd argue yeah when you top 10 most influential video games at all time yeah Fortnite I think so you look at that you have your Zelda conversations there's the Pokemon conversations there's the street fighter arcade conversations there's the halo conversations there's the There's the Dota, there's the Minecraft. You take all that together.
Starting point is 01:35:09 It's Fortnite, right? It's a little bit of the best of all of these things. That'd be a fun list. The most influential. Influential. Yeah, that's a fun one. That one gets real. Tetris is in there.
Starting point is 01:35:21 Save it. This is a different show. The problem is you gotta jump back to like the 70s. Tim, what's your number five? Oh yeah. My number five, Kevin. Super Smash Brothers Ultimate. ultimate. Nice. It's a little shocking. Sumabara. I'm gonna let you go while you
Starting point is 01:35:36 why you say whoa kev. I thought it would be higher. I had you way no I had that there's a lot of reasons why it's not higher. I've said it before and I'll say it again Smash Brothers Ultimate is probably going to end up being for the foreseeable future my favorite game of all that that's why I put it number one and I stand by that it's true I'm gonna play this game so much forever but it's not there yet so I'm gonna have the best because there's a lot of flaws I said that this when I first saw World Light, when I first saw Superior Mode, where they did that direct, I was like, ah, shit.
Starting point is 01:36:08 They're about to fuck up a lot of things. And I read them wrong in some ways. And I read them completely right in others. And I read them incorrectly in a bad way and more. Okay. The online infrastructure, when they talked about it, I was like, oh shit, they're fixing things. Thus far, they haven't.
Starting point is 01:36:24 Will they in the future? I believe they will. I believe they'll get there. Yeah, online's been rough for me. So that's one thing. The single player mode, honestly, I have 100% of World of Light. And I went on record saying after I did the first preview event that Smash Ultimate, despite its flaws, of which there are many, will still have the best single player content of any
Starting point is 01:36:43 Smash Bros game ever. Now that I've done it, it's not true. No. It's not true. Elements, absolutely. Overall, I'm at a point now where I'm like, I have so much to go. And it's a chore. Okay.
Starting point is 01:36:55 So what's the winner for you? Winner. And Smash Bros. Single Player content. I think it's still melee. Wow. I really do because it gave the adventure mode. It had break the targets.
Starting point is 01:37:06 It had the, um, what am I? What am I? Sorry. It's okay. I had my first like actual drunk moment of the show of it had the, the break the targets. It had the adventure mode. Event mode. Yes.
Starting point is 01:37:20 Event mode. It was 50 matches that really mattered that were beautifully designed and an actual challenge that you had to go back and back and back to in order to accomplish. Okay. And I feel like World of Light has. Out of the I'm currently at 800 spirits out of about almost 1300. Yeah. So I'm pretty far into this.
Starting point is 01:37:43 And out of those, I would say only 20 have been awesome. So you would have preferred a far more deeply refined experience where less was more. Yes. Okay. And because of all that and because of the single player, I had a point where once I 100%ed World of Light a couple days ago, I went in to do all the other stuff. And I'm like, dude, classic mode is the best in this game that it's ever been.
Starting point is 01:38:03 And I stand by that and that for sure is better than any game we've previously seen. But I'm like, I don't want to play that now. I want to save that for flights that I have in the future. Everything else though, I'm like, I don't want to do the spirit mode shit. And I love that I'm giving my answer for this right after great just talks about Fortnite. Smash Bros is not accomplishing what Fortnite is doing. It's not accomplishing what Rainbow 6 is doing or Destiny or any of this where they're doing their spirit matches week to week. there's different events that are happening,
Starting point is 01:38:33 but they're just events that don't really help. You get a little bit more experience. You get a little bit more spirits points of this or that, whatever the fuck. I wanted more. I expect more from this. We should have gotten more from this when we got so much bullshit nobody actually wanted.
Starting point is 01:38:47 Okay. And that is why this is so low for me, despite being one of, if not my favorite game. You know, Sakharai is listening right now and he's crying a little. He's not listening. He's like, Tim, I tried to bring you what you want.
Starting point is 01:39:00 He needs to listen then. There's something here where it's like with what Fortnite's doing Smash Bros should be doing that too. The map, it's just one map, but it changes so much. Dude, we can do that with Smash Brothers. Give us event matches. Give us something that it's like, oh, this is a challenge that we actually need to accomplish over time.
Starting point is 01:39:19 And honestly, I think they're going to give it to us. I think that over time, they're going to be like, you know what, we're adding these things. But you wish that he used the time they used to produce some of these other modes. And that's why it's my number five. That's fair. That makes sense. Now here's what I like to point out before you go
Starting point is 01:39:32 I'm sorry. We've now entered to is it Tim's list or bullshit Tim's list or bullshit Jared and Greg tried to guess Tim's list and now I'm going to decide if they're right to get it right to Gary Paddy You said wow I'm surprised smash is that low on your list Yeah no you picked it at five
Starting point is 01:39:48 Yeah you get a point there I picked Pokemon at five So no I think smash at five I love this All right So I did Jerry Patty number five Number five for me A little game
Starting point is 01:40:00 called the messenger that came out of nowhere to blow my socks off we've got a Quebec City well yeah and probably time for that standard disclaimer the boss's wife helped work on it but yeah that's right well yeah she did she did brand management for yeah exactly but the messenger I'll just keep this succinct the messenger does not exploit nostalgia instead it looks at classical game design and finds ways to surpass it. Absolutely. And it does beautiful things with a game that could have already been stand out
Starting point is 01:40:37 if there hadn't been a line of dialogue in it. And it makes it funny. Funny video games are extremely hard to make. The Messenger is hilarious. And it's a hilarious Metroidvania platformer. That shouldn't be possible. This is the year of that shouldn't be possible with video games. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:40:55 It advanced the state of the art. That's why, again, I'm not kidding what I believe this is the best year for video games ever. And this is another example of just taking this medium and watching it mature in a very new way. The Messenger exceeds all nostalgia, exceeds all feels for what came before. It is about learning how to make better games from where we came from. And that's why it succeeds. So those are my thoughts on that. Number five, Greg Miller.
Starting point is 01:41:27 Number five, a little game called Monster Hunter World. Oh! As I've said before, Monster Hunter World is a game that rightfully and truthfully caught me off guard. I had reviewed the Monster Hunter games on PSP at IGN. I had given Monster Hunter try on Wii a go because Charles was super into it. And I wanted to be into it. And it was still too,
Starting point is 01:41:56 it was still too much like PSP where I thought there were so many cumbersome things in it. You say you tried it. Ah! So when Monster Hunter World got announced, I very much wrote it off and didn't pay attention to it. And it was either a games cast or a games daily
Starting point is 01:42:11 if we were doing that show yet even where I was like, hey, like, oh, it must have been games. Games Daily existed. And I was like, yeah, no, I wish it had X, Y, Z. Which it turns out as somebody, I think Trevor Stark eventually hit me up
Starting point is 01:42:25 was like, you wrote an article called, hey, let's westernize Monster Hunter in like 2009. And you go through what I asked for. They did all of that in this game. So I got excited for it, but still was like, I don't know. So you designed Dragon's Dog, I'm up by accident. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:42:38 Okay, there we got. So I got the game and put it in and I was blown away. And, you know, the fact that I got so into it, Kevin got so into it, Jen got so into it to the point that we had the two PS4s and the two TVs and living rooms and we would just come home and grind out. You know, like, you want to talk about. about like kind of funny kind of funny moments that like
Starting point is 01:43:00 man that was something incredibly special right like remember when W superstar Xavier Woods came through and did a bunch of shows with us and then we streamed on up up down down monster hunter and we played Kevin for like five or six hours and we were exhausted at the end but it was when
Starting point is 01:43:16 back to again like the playground in magic of video games you know he was like oh but I got this new gilly suit thing that when you put it on you hit this thing it drops gold and we're like what the fuck my god And it was like such a game changer. And like we kept finding things like that. And again,
Starting point is 01:43:31 was that the day Cisco was supposed to join us? But like lost his save and like grinded all day. That is right. And it was like such a moment for all of us of we were all in this game and the communities in this game. And again, like what I mean, I'm, I still say I'm not a multiplayer game or, but there's a bunch of multiplayer games I like. But again, stop saying that.
Starting point is 01:43:50 I know, probably. I actually like a lot of them. So my most sense is been a game for us. In 2019, you're not allowed to say that anymore, Greg Miller. Let me say it. Let me change it to this then. I'm not usually a mic on multiplayer gamer. Got it. Like when Grandcraft runs into me in fall at 76, I'm like, oh, motherfucker. That is very descriptive though. Like that says a lot for where we're at now in video games. Yeah. But like playing with everybody, Kevin and I played with, like, all the best friends.
Starting point is 01:44:12 You know what I mean? Getting in there and I always fuck it up, but it's Steve, Steve owned. What was it, Kevin? Steve odd. Okay. Like playing with these people and like having these moments and like having them help us and show us cool shit and we'd go do this and like grinding for geese. and doing like it's 130 hours and I'm still heartbroken a little pissed off that Kevin was right when I was like well we're to switch off and do something else and Kevin's like we're never coming back I was like no we're gonna come back let me because we loved it so much I was like there's no way not to
Starting point is 01:44:41 but good but it's over and there's so much Christmas stuff right now there's winter stuff going on they they tease the thing for next autumn my problem was smash bros they were not going to have that stuff one of the things I love about the game I Monster Hunter didn't make my list but the Monster Hunter franchise is near and dear to my heart, even though I'm terrible at it. And one of the things I liked about is people like you can come along and be like, this was my first Monster Hunter experience in years and I really enjoyed it.
Starting point is 01:45:06 But I can also talk to people like my friend Strawfoot, who's a Monster Hunter streamer, or Casey DeFreides, who's been there since the beginning. And on that side, those folks that love the game were satisfied too. It wasn't even the fan reaction to Pokemon Pikachu and Evie, you know, the let's go games. It was no, no, just this. enthusiasm that more Americans were playing Monster Hunter and that they kind of nailed it in such a different way of what I always want from my multiplayer games, but so many fuck up of I can jump on and play with anybody and feel like I'm getting something
Starting point is 01:45:40 out of it. I'm not over-leveled and fucking their world up. They're not underleveled and holding me back. Like that's my big thing and this is ignorance more than anything. But like I want to get Kevin in the division because me and Kevin like playing multiplayer's games together. But when I jumped in the division last night, got beat over the head with all the new things that have been added in the division. I'm like, I wouldn't even know where to start him right now or where to bring him in and how long it would take for him to get to the stuff that actually benefit me for what I need to do. But Monster Hunter at the time was like so great of us all he's jumping into playing. So that's why. Loved it, loved it, loved it, loved it.
Starting point is 01:46:08 My number four, the Messenger. All right. Me and you for the last three have been like really close. Really close, but like one off. The Messenger is such a special game. I don't know that I've ever played a video game besides Super Smash Brothers, the franchise that I feel was made by somebody that loves what they're doing as much as this video game. Every single thing in it is a reference to something and not just in the family guy, Ray. Yeah. In the way of like, I love this.
Starting point is 01:46:37 I believe in this. I grew up with this so I know how to do it better. Yeah. You know? And I can't wait for their next game because this is so good, but not perfect. And I can only say that in a year that we got God of War in Celeste. Yeah, yeah. You know, in so many other years, this would have been my game of the year.
Starting point is 01:46:59 Easily. I had such a good time with it. I loved it all the way through. I just didn't love some parts as much as others. There's a twist in this game. There's multiple twists in this game. All of them are treated with equal care. It's just, it's funny because you hit a point where you're like, for every person that feels the way I do, there's an equal person that feels the things that I liked were the lesser part compared to the other.
Starting point is 01:47:23 And that shows this game is special, but pacing is important. And all of that is important when you're talking about reviewing a game and why this game, to me, is a 8.5 and not a 10. I mean, in a year where we got Insomniac Spider-Man, and it didn't make my personal top 10, I looked at that game and was like, this game is beautiful and wonderful and brilliant and lovingly constructed, and I'd rather play the messenger.
Starting point is 01:47:49 And that's weird to me. It is. But kind of wonderful in a way, too. It really is. Nothing to take away from Spider-Man for me. Absolutely. You said it earlier that these just aren't retro games again. These are better retro games.
Starting point is 01:48:03 These are the new generation of what that could be. This isn't just the best NES game. It's like something special. No, this is very much a 2018 video game that's just aware of what it came from. Yes. And I loved it. I loved it the soundtrack. I loved the writing.
Starting point is 01:48:19 I loved the, just every moment. was so good and so special. And then the thing I didn't like about the game is there was a twist like in the two-thirds through that I'm like, you were slowing this to a snail's pace for me when I was going at a pace that was, go, go, go, go, go, go. And I saw what you did and I loved it.
Starting point is 01:48:39 I just wish it didn't happen when it did. I would have rather the flip. It's this and then that. Well, we're more accepting as players as a slower second act. I mean, that's something that we're willing to put up with, but I think it's a really wise point there. Yeah, and it's interesting.
Starting point is 01:48:54 Again, it's like this game is amazing. It's just not perfect. And again, can't wait for the next game. Messenger is super special. You should definitely play it. I'm not a Ninja Guy and guy at all. And I thought this game was fan fucking-tastic. Wow, that's great.
Starting point is 01:49:07 I am a ninja-guiding guy, and I thought it was fantastic as well. Number five for you, Jared. Number five for, oh wait, number four. Number four. You're on number four. Jesus, we are. This podcast flying by, which is true. A great show.
Starting point is 01:49:19 I do love Game in the Year. Every time we, start doing, usually around June in the midsection I'm like, I hate Gamescast, I hate Tim, I hate Jared, why am I here? But then this one reminds me why I like it. Aw, that makes me happy. Thank you, Greg. I'm glad you don't hate me anymore. We say that about you every day, Kevin, but you know
Starting point is 01:49:35 the truth. You guys are all pieces of shit and I hate you all. I'm nice to you, Kevin, most of them. Oh. Bullshit. You think that. Three-fourth of the time I'm nice to. How about you just focus on what your... Four-fifths in time, I'm nice to. Fourth game is, Jared.
Starting point is 01:49:49 I'd like to talk about number four on my list. Ladies and gentlemen, after due consideration, I declare the fourth best game of 2010 to be minute. A little game that captured my heart. Devolver Digital, right? Yep, Devolver Digital. Well published. I don't know. Yeah, published by Devolver made by a small team primarily, I believe, four developers that came together and made a delightful two and a half, three-hour game.
Starting point is 01:50:16 It's got more replayability than that. They definitely built a lot of depth into it. A monochromatic, top-down adventure that at the beginning looks like the legend of Zelda but plays nothing like it. What I love about Minut is that it does something I've never seen in a video game before. It steals the core of roguelikes. And instead of making it tedious and long, it makes it concise and short. Rogue likes are built around the idea that every time you die, it has value. In a roguelike, dying is good for you.
Starting point is 01:50:46 I fucked up my entire list. What's that? I'm just realizing right now. So we'll fix that. Dead cells isn't even on this. Oh, there we go. All right.
Starting point is 01:50:54 Because of what you're saying right now. Shit. Yeah. In a real like dead cells, it's about making that one perfect run. Minute takes that idea and says, no, you will die every 60 seconds,
Starting point is 01:51:06 no matter what you do. You're going to die every 60 seconds, but every change you make in the world persists. And so it's what can I accomplish before I die? Then what can I accomplish before I die? And the puzzle structure is built. entirely around that mechanic. And so what looks like a Zelda game
Starting point is 01:51:23 is really more of an adventure game with puzzle solving and a rogue-like and a charming comedy that they built. Minute is unlike any other video game I've ever played in the best possible way. Minute two, I believe, assuming they make two-minute will be just about perfect
Starting point is 01:51:43 because they'll be able to refine some of the ideas they worked on in this. But it is a game that everyone should play. A lot of people want it on on Switch. Guess what you got it on Switch. I play it on PlayStation first.
Starting point is 01:51:55 Just play this game. I don't care where you play. It's so short, it doesn't matter what you play it on. It's an amazing, unique experience that you can only find in videos. However, if you use a guide on PS4, I hear, it's a pretty easy platinum.
Starting point is 01:52:07 Oh, a minute? Yeah. I'm sure it's a very easy platinum. I mentioned this and you got really angry at me when I was like, oh, I just play with a guide. You're like, fuck. I mean... Because you have to do all the specific things.
Starting point is 01:52:16 There's postgame content. There's a lot to find that's hidden in there. Like they do hide a lot. For a game where you die every 60 seconds, there's a lot of secrets. Yeah. But yeah, that's all optional. It's kind of wonderful. Tim Gettys wants to know my number four as he chugs his 33.3.
Starting point is 01:52:31 0.3 ounces of beer. Number three or four. I'm sorry, number four on my top ten list for 2018. Spider-Man. Number four. Spider-Man. Oh, I know why. What a fucking year.
Starting point is 01:52:43 Wait, right? Do you know why? I don't know that I do. Meeter man. Meeter man. My wife had a student many, many, many, many years ago in a school that she went to that was very young. And he couldn't say Spider-Man. So he would sing about Meter Man constantly.
Starting point is 01:52:59 And around her house, we still sing about Meter Man sometimes. Spider-Man, what an amazing game. And it's fucked up that it's number four in this list. If you have asked me before we got here, like where this, like, oh, what's this year going to be for you? I was like, Spider-Man is going to be really high, if not number one. And this is the same thing we've talked about before, right? especially when we look at the game awards and everything else, right? Where we said like, oh man, Spider-Man is getting Horizoned.
Starting point is 01:53:22 Where Horizon is an amazing game, but it keeps losing everything because there's so many amazing games in the category and everywhere else. That's Spider-Man for me. As a lifelong Spider-Man fan, as a comic book fan, as a video game fan, like this game checks so many boxes and does everything so amazingly. No pun intended. Of the collectibles all mattering, mattering perhaps.
Starting point is 01:53:44 Sometimes, and I'm not, I'm coming. fresh off of beating DLC 3 last night. So I'm very much in the DLC mindset. And so in DLC for sure, I think mattering more than sometimes the main story in terms of running around and getting little pieces and having that world fleshed out. But it's what we've talked about before, right? Is this is a New York and a Marvel universe that Spider-Man's lived in for, what is it, nine years? He's been Spider-Man, eight years, where there is a history there. And there's things that have happened and they've already lived. And I mean, we've talked at so much about Spider-Man, right? So I don't want to beat it over. But voice acting, amazing. The storyline, I wish they'd
Starting point is 01:54:16 done a little bit more off book in terms of what we know. But I'm mainly talking about like villains. Like we talk about the ending and things that happen and where relationships are left and people are left. And the way certain stories go, the way you didn't, they do a ton of stuff that I don't think at review I gave them enough credit for vocally. I still think it's very much a Spider-Man story. And you know what that means. I think it sets them up for a very interesting number two. It's like we were talking about today in Games Daily. I'm going to go home to this weekend. and 100% this last DLC, which will 100% all the DLCs,
Starting point is 01:54:49 which mean that I have 100% platinum on the main game, the 300% is for the thing. And then there's the gaping new game plus, which aren't that many trophies, but it's just like, do I want to insert that much time? And you set yourself like, yeah, you do. And I'm like, I do want to go back and replay Spider-Man, especially with all my gadgets and just run through and be powerful and be cool.
Starting point is 01:55:09 I feel the only, like, one of the reasons that it's held back in this, again, one of my games in the year, amazing, awesome story. Awesome gameplay. It's so good to swing around. Yada, yada, yada. One of the reasons it's not is because I feel like
Starting point is 01:55:19 if you were to say, hey, what do you think your dream Spider-Man game would look like? What do you think it would be? Like, this is what you would picture. I think the rose-colored glasses people have for Spider-Man 2
Starting point is 01:55:30 on PlayStation 2 are this game. It is what you imagine this game to be, right? And playing through the DLC has been a good reminder of fuck, I love swinging. Fuck, this is amazing. I'm inside and I'm struggling with combat
Starting point is 01:55:42 because the camera's fucking me and shit, why? And that's the thing of the next three games I'm going to go through. I was never frustrated at. I was challenged, but I was never frustrated. Like, the game fucked me on this. But last night, Jen next to me playing Starry Valley, me'd be like, fuck.
Starting point is 01:55:57 Like, what do you want? God damn. Restart it. Jump back in. But there have been times too where, like, with the DLCs even, where I was like, I'm doing hammerhead warehouses. And I'm like, you know what? This isn't fun.
Starting point is 01:56:06 I'm stopping. I don't know if I'll come back to it. Coming back. And then it was one of those things that I jumped in. I'm like, oh, I never upgraded the gadget I'm using right now. So let's put in all this. about all this dumb stuff. But the game's amazing.
Starting point is 01:56:16 I'm not trying to say it's not. It's number four on my list. But this is why a game that I truly love and am blown away by and I'm so proud of Insomniac as somebody who's been someone who's covered their career for so long, so fucking proud of these guys. That's why it's where it is. It's undoubtedly a great game. I am surprised that it didn't rank higher for me this year.
Starting point is 01:56:35 And I think some of that has to do with it's a more checkmarky game than most of the games we got this year along with Odyssey, another game that grabbed me less than I thought it would. It feels like all video games are a list of things to do. Sure. This one felt more that way than most. And despite the brilliant traversal and the beauty and the great storytelling, I kind of got the impression that some of that wonder was lost on the dedicated mission structure of it. But it's still a brilliant, great game.
Starting point is 01:57:06 It's no question. And I absolutely understand somebody saying it's one of their very favorite video games for the year. That totally resonates with me. Before we get to our number three, I got a revised list entirely. And originally, when you said your thing, it reminded me of dead cells. And I was like, oh, dead cells is my number five. It's above Super Smash Brothers Ultimate. But as you guys talked, I realized, no, it's not.
Starting point is 01:57:31 It is number six. It is below Smash Brothers Ultimate for the same reason of Smash Brothers and for the same reason that you were talking about. There's too much bullshit here. I should not have to do this as long as I'm doing it. I never beat dead cells and I never will beat dead cells. I put in 15 hours to that game. And the fact that I didn't beat it, I'm like, there's not enough game here to keep me coming back.
Starting point is 01:57:54 There's some problems here. If it was eight hours, it would be probably my number three. Okay. I think it would have been better. Would you prefer to be closer structure to something like Rogue Legacy or? No, just in terms of like the gameplay was great, but it runs its welcome. Okay.
Starting point is 01:58:12 Quickly, I think. And I know quickly being like after about eight hours. Like I there's a lot of gameplay here that feels so good and feels so right. But then it just hits a point that I'm like, I don't want to do this again. Yeah, I haven't given Dead Souls the love it deserved. I really need to revisit that over the winter definitely. But I enjoy rogolikes in a very general way,
Starting point is 01:58:33 but I tend to be more drawn to classical strategic rogolike like Shitter and the Wander, Ang Band, NetHack, things like that. So the action, roguelike genre is a very hard thing to pull off. Spalunkey does it very, very well. But I'm not so sure about dead souls yet and how I'm unfamiliar with everything you just said I've never played those dead cells was my entry to this rogue like road like any any whatever the fuck word you want to put there this is my first time playing a game like this and I got addicted Plain flight after plane flight to the point that even after plane flight I'm like I don't want to do anything I just want to play this and that shows how much I love it It just hit a point that in this conversation thinking about it versus Smash brothers both having things that I love and things that I
Starting point is 01:59:14 hate at the end of the day smash brothers is such an accomplishment it comes back to something you said earlier that was this shouldn't be possible yeah it shouldn't be possible that smash brothers has every fucking playable character that's ever been in series there with all this new stuff with new blah blah blah all this they did it they spent so much money and so much time and when I look at dead cells it is possible there's nothing about the game that I'm like oh my god this is impossible but every single game in my top five I think That shouldn't be possible, which leads me to number three, Spider-Man.
Starting point is 01:59:47 This shouldn't be possible. It shouldn't be possible that Spider-Man is one of my top three favorite games of the year. We've had so many Spider-Man games that were between good, spectacular, ultimate, and amazing. Yeah. Where it's like, oh, this is everything you could ever want from a comic book fan. But we're video game fans. Yeah. And I feel like we gave that such like, well, we'll give you some bonus points because you treated this with respect.
Starting point is 02:00:14 Yeah. But to play this game, this is way better than Spider-Man Never Soft on PlayStation 1. This is way better than Spider-Man 2 on PlayStation 2. This is the best Spider-Man game of all time. It's the best Spider-Man game of all time. Well, I think the thing you said that was so pertinent in the review was the fact that we all know Spider-Man, we all know Peter Parker. This one feels new and it feels like that's, yeah, you look at it, you play,
Starting point is 02:00:39 you're like, yep, that's Spider-Man. Yuri kills it. They all do it. They know what they're doing. it up and I understand what's happening. And what I love more than anything is the fact that I disagree with you so hard on this just being another Spider-Man story. Spider-Man is my favorite hero.
Starting point is 02:00:55 I've watched, played, listened to, read so many different versions. This version kept me questioning what's happening here? I loved that because certain things, and especially looking back at it, I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, duh, how did I know that? I didn't at the time. There's so many directions they could have took. I remember watching Spectacular Spider-Man, my favorite animated form of Spider-Man in existence,
Starting point is 02:01:21 although that might be questioned now with Into the Spider-Verse. But looking at it, it's like, I stand by this great murder. Bye, Joey, thanks for all the work in 2018. You love Into the Spider-Verse. Oh, God, yeah. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 02:01:32 You kidding me? I think you'll like Spectacular Spider-Man equally. Oh, wow. I really think that it does the same thing. Well, I don't be Neil Patrick Harris fans. That'll help me out. No, no. Wrong one.
Starting point is 02:01:42 Oh. But it's your, it's your boy that you had on a, fucking new. Just Keaton. Yeah. Just Keaton's amazing. Fan fucking-tastic. When I watched that for the first time,
Starting point is 02:01:50 I didn't expect anything. I hated the art style. And I was like, ah, like, why does it look so kiddie and animated and like, this is bullshit. I'm an adult that's watching cartoons.
Starting point is 02:01:59 Yeah. I'm a fucking adult. And when I saw it, the story choices that they made of who is the bad guy and who is the green goblin and who is this, that's what made me go. Oh my God. I know the story, but I don't.
Starting point is 02:02:12 When I read the Ultimate Comics, which was years late, I read them. I'm like, I know this story, but I don't. Playing this game made me feel that way. And I should never be able to feel that way again about Spider-Man. Yeah. But I did. And playing it, you already said it. That's where Spider-Man's-Man.
Starting point is 02:02:27 You're going to play this DLC, right? Oh, yeah. Two and three. I haven't played two yet. Like, we didn't talk about On Games Daily today and I meant to, and I'm sure by this point it's old to everybody who's watching this on YouTube or anything else. You should play those DLCs. Because, again, I think the main narrative thread going through, I thought number one was
Starting point is 02:02:42 so great. Number two, like, oh, this is like a thing, what I like on tombstone level, but below. Three continues that part of it. But the way it ends some narrative threads and ties them off and away, you're like, man, this is, if I didn't, somebody had that written into games daily two days ago as a recording. I was like, I hadn't played him. Well, I understand. The big moments for Spider-Man 2. And I was like, no, not really. I'm sure it all I get covered. And I'm sure that still will. But there is a thing that happens at the end of the side missions of, uh, DLC3, where I'm like, oh wow. Like, if you were to ask me, hey, pitch me what the gameplay loop of Spider-Man 2 is going
Starting point is 02:03:17 to be, I would have said something in there that would have been patently false if I hadn't played DLS and 3. And real quick, before we get to you, to you, I want to say, Spider-Man, PS4, the first game ever that's not a Nintendo property that I'm like, I want 100% this. Every single side quest, every single, everything this game has to offer, I want to do. Man, I wish I had gotten this pulled into it as you all did. I mean, I see the beauty. I don't know what's wrong with my brain.
Starting point is 02:03:44 I don't know. I think you just got to do the story. And then you'll see. Try again. And then you'll see. Jared, what is your number three? My number three game of the year, I feel guilty for calling my number three game of the year. It's too good to be called my number three game of the year.
Starting point is 02:03:59 This year hurts me once we hit this point. Because these last three vie together like the Holy Trinity. They feel equal and godlike and coexistent in my mind. And yet I am forced to choose. Forced to choose, I choose the list. Hey. Number three. A game of riveting originality and beauty that does something again that, as we've said
Starting point is 02:04:24 several times of show, shouldn't be possible. Creates a mechanical metaphor out of what fundamentally feels like a super meatboy clone for deeply engaging storytelling. The mechanics of the game define and mirror and enhance the story of the game. And the story of the game is worth telling. As somebody who suffers from mental illness, Celeste is especially poignant. It is meaningful for me in, and I'm not exaggerating, a medical way. And yet it is also among the best designed action platforms.
Starting point is 02:05:09 performers in history. It is just about perfect. On top of that, it has one of the most superb soundtracks I've heard in many, many years. It's visually stunning. And I loathe myself for liking two games more than this year. So Celeste, that's mine. Here here. It's a game that everyone should play. Great pick, Jerry. Great pick. Okay, Miller, number three. Number three for me is Beat Sabre. I mean, you've already talked so much about Beat Sabre, but to echo a lot of what you said, like, it is a game that is more than a game. I'm not the guy who wants to work out or lose weight when he plays VR into that shit. But like playing it, like I've told this story before, but just I'll tell one last time and I'll stop telling it.
Starting point is 02:06:00 I swear on podcast of woke up at 4 in the morning, caught a flight home, worked all day long, came home and was ready to die, but I just got my beat saber code. I'm like, before bed, I'm going to play this at my 9.30. And I played for an hour, hour and a half and had so much energy that I was like, shit, I'm going to start every day like this. And I've not done every day because it's been a hellish month. But a lot of those days where I do get out there and I do start and I have a sweatband now from a VR unit and all the stuff.
Starting point is 02:06:27 Like, it is like, wow, I feel so great. And it is that thing of the time melts away. And it's what you said, which I thought's poignant and not me at all. of I finish and I'm like, I can do better than that. I can get a better score than that. And when I was doing the campaign. And eventually as you get deeper into the campaign, some of them become not, hey, do this as fast as you can shit as much as, you know, don't move your hands at all. Like, you know, you can't go past this much of hand movement. And when I was like, oh, well, I was actually here for the workout part of it, I bopped out and started doing free play and started chasing scores,
Starting point is 02:07:01 started challenging other people's scores and then seeing how good my friends were and I've got to get better at this game. And I think, and on top of all that, it's the thing that I loved rock band. Loved it, loved it, loved it. I had to play bass. And I had to play bass on medium and I think I eventually graduated hard, but I could never do expert.
Starting point is 02:07:17 Because there's a disconnect between my fingers and moving and sliding and doing all that shit. Beat Sabre was the opposite of like, it's just these hands and I can do this and I can figure it out. And what you mentioned earlier in your, when you were talking about it, right,
Starting point is 02:07:30 of like being in the zone, like the moments where I'm like, and I'm like dropping and I'm squatting and I'm doing, I'm sure I look like a complete moron. But in the moment, you feel so good. You feel so badass,
Starting point is 02:07:41 dodging underneath the red things. And then it is where it's like, I see it coming and I'm like, this seems tough. And I look and I haven't lost the multiplayer. And I'm like, fuck, that was awesome.
Starting point is 02:07:51 Hell again. Holy fucking shit. That's video games, dude, right now. Beat Sabre is video games. It's the feeling when you're like, I am a badass.
Starting point is 02:07:59 It doesn't matter. And what you just said about like, I'm sure I don't look badass. That's anybody. Of course. That has ever been in an esports competition. That's anybody that has ever done anything in a, an arcade where you feel fucking cool. You're doing something that no one else can
Starting point is 02:08:13 fucking do. You look like a complete idiot. Who gives this shit? No, I don't care. Yeah. Yeah. You feel like a badass. And it's that thing too of like, you know, you mentioned this in in so many words, but like the only time I'm not even frustrated, but disappointed in Beat Sabre is when it's, I look and I'm gassed. I've been going for 50 minutes doing something on harder expert trying to get it perfect. And I noticed now that like I was so good on the first one or two or three where I mean I had it too we're like fuck I missed one put on the no fail modafiter give me the thing I'm going after
Starting point is 02:08:42 somebody's score and then at the end it's just like my arms are lead and it's like fuck I didn't feel I didn't at no point felt like I was working on no this is not my point this is what I'm doing that game's fucking magic Can you imagine how good Michael Phelps is at Beatsaber? He sucks I'm sure I don't know if you know this he does the marriage of wanna
Starting point is 02:08:58 all right trust me he's The colors are flying by To go back to the DDR like I had that same experience back in the day where it's like I would play that game every single day. Like I had it at home, but I'd also go to arcades. I know it's funny to look at me now and like, know who I am from as long as you guys have
Starting point is 02:09:14 known me. It's a joke that I would ever get into that. No, I can totally see that. In my middle school and early high school years, I was very into DER. No, it's like you and Knives Chow or you and Bobby Hill like side by side. 100%. I was into that to the point that I'm trying to get a better score.
Starting point is 02:09:30 I'm trying to do this. I was never the best in the world. I was never the like guy that was like doing the duels. But like, I would play for them and police on heavy over and over and over and I still have never gotten and double a I got a day but I'm like one day I just want double it this is triple a I'm never gonna get that I get that I get 100% yeah but I wanted that double and I never got it but it's like with beat saber it doesn't matter that I ever got it it's like with with beat saber you are having fun you're fucking doing it as a 35 five year old man fuck yeah man that's awesome yeah that game is awesome
Starting point is 02:10:03 You're Forbes 30 under 30. I am. I mean, you're a man of some means. I like to believe you could probably have a DDR machine in your home at this point. Trust. I will. Make no doubt about it, Geotaph Harris. Oh, God.
Starting point is 02:10:18 I will own a DDR machine, or at least a DDR emulator. Hashtag stepmania at some point in my life. Stetmania. All right, there you go. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. Beautiful. All right.
Starting point is 02:10:28 My number two. Two. Celeste. There we go. Switching off there. And I can't believe it. Yeah, exactly. It's just going down the list.
Starting point is 02:10:36 I can't believe it. When I played Celeste, I was like, this is my game of the year. Yeah. And I thought there was no way that was going to be beat. It is such a perfect game. It is a 10 out of 10 for me. Yeah. And I truly believe that it's a 10 on 10 for anybody that likes that type of game.
Starting point is 02:10:52 It's not a 10 on 10 for everyone. It's not for Greg Miller. He's not a platformer. He's not into that type of. However, I did play a ton of this. And again, to be clear, and I want to be on the record. If I was doing the whole, like, oh, man, we had an IGN vote,
Starting point is 02:11:04 Celeste would be way up my list. Exactly. But what I'm saying is, I know you're not into platformers in that way. Sure. I am. In the same way I'm into rhythm games, I'm into platformers.
Starting point is 02:11:13 And Celeste is perfect. Yeah. It's fucking perfect. And more than that, this shouldn't be possible. I had to write down the quote, Jared. This shouldn't be possible.
Starting point is 02:11:24 Playing a game that made me play like I was playing, uh, let's take a step back. A couple weeks ago, I feel like it was two weeks ago. We were talking about my first game that I owned being Super Mario
Starting point is 02:11:35 Bros. All Stars Plus World. Super Mario All Stars Plus World. Their greatest cartridge. To me, I played all the 2D Mario games, the original ones, at once, not knowing when what came out, whatever. Nothing should be able to match that. And Celeste did. Celeste is up there with Mario 3,
Starting point is 02:11:53 with Mario World, with Mario, all of them. Yeah. It does something screen to screen in a modern way that Mario Brothers did for me when I was five years old six seven eight all the way up to 29 now yep it's part of that elite fraternity of platformers super meat boys in there too there's a couple others but it's extraordinary but what this does and you said it earlier about super meat versus super meat boy is this adds a story and Mario never had that yeah and unlike you I am somebody that doesn't suffer
Starting point is 02:12:27 from depression and anxiety in in the way that you describe it and this is game made me understand that and made me understand it in a way of the gameplay adds to the story and the story adds to the gameplay in every single thing that I'm doing you said earlier about Angie playing shadow of like I had to stop playing it reached a point this game where I was just like shit man like I feel so bad for her right now that I wanted to stop but it's simultaneously I was like I can't stop I have to do this like I know that she's going to power through this and I need to help her do that. And that resolution. And that true, the last level of Celeste is so powerful, but it's not powerful without the rest of the game. Yeah. And to me, that's perfect. Like,
Starting point is 02:13:15 there's so many TV shows, so many movie franchises and everything where it's like, you need all the other stuff to get to the end, to have it all make the most sense. And Celeste is a perfect example of that. It's so cheap. It's so Xbox Live. Games with gold January it's fucking free for you guys get it play this game if you haven't already it is so special and I honestly will be surprised I'm saying this right now I will be surprised if we ever see a 2D platformer as good as this ever again I think I think that's that's not an excessive claim it's extraordinary I and I would say for I mean yes you should do research and you should absolutely talk to doctors when you know about that but if you're somebody that doesn't suffer from
Starting point is 02:14:01 one of these illnesses that wants to understand what's broken in my brain, playing all the way through Celeste will probably teach you that better than any other lesson could. Yeah, I mean, it's always, it's a hard conversation and it always is. But like, really, this game made me feel shit. And it's a two-d platform. It's a two-d platformer, man. It shouldn't have done that. And it did.
Starting point is 02:14:25 And it's that plus the soundtrack, plus the design, plus everything about it. the pacing and everything. Celeste is fucking amazing, and I can't believe it's my number two. A 10 out of 10 is my number two. It hurts me that it's my number three, and likewise I agree a 10 out of 10. A game for the ages.
Starting point is 02:14:43 Jared. My number two. So long ago, there was a fine motion picture by the name of Major League. You might be familiar with it. I do know Charlie Sheen, of course, wild thing, Vaughn. Wild thing. A zany comedy about a crew of miscarriage.
Starting point is 02:15:00 creant cast off baseball players who come together on the Cleveland Indians to form a championship team. It is late 80s, early 90s, R-rated grunge humor at its best slash worst in many ways. It is an exercise in trope, but people thought it was amusing and fun. There's a little game that came out this year called God of War. And God of War is effectively... make this connection. I'm in. Effectively what would happen if
Starting point is 02:15:33 Field of Dreams had been the sequel to Major League. Ah, there we go. It was called Major League 2 colon, Field of Dreams. That was good. And it was, Dad,
Starting point is 02:15:47 you want to have a catch? If that was the sequel. Because once a long time ago, there was a series of games called God of War and they were fun and entertaining and light and interesting. and well put together, and then it laid to rest for a long time, and then one of the original creators sat down and reimagined it as Harry Chapin's Cats in the Cradle in the Silver Spoon
Starting point is 02:16:11 and the Little Boy Blue and the Man in the Moon. When you're coming home, son. I don't know when. I don't know when, but we'll be together. That game! Good Lord, what a work of art. Yeah, yeah. Just.
Starting point is 02:16:26 So, anyway, the sequel to Major League got over. That's really fun. That's my number two. For that reason, and not to mention the fact beyond the story, beyond the power, that there may never be a more satisfying event in history than feeling the Leviathan Axe thunder back in your hand. 100%. Tim, I'm sorry, you missed the comparison of Major League and God of War.
Starting point is 02:16:52 I heard the beginning of it, went to the bathroom, thought while I was peeing, what game could he possibly be? It was great because he set it up with Major League and then he's like, God of War is his number two. And this would be as if Field of Dreams was the sequel to Major League. And I was like, that's pretty fucking good, Jay.
Starting point is 02:17:10 That's what happened. It's just impossible. This game had no business being this wonderful. Clearly, we're going to talk about it again. Yeah, we are. So that's enough for me on that one. Number two for me is Assassin's Creed Odyssey, of course. Oh, so good.
Starting point is 02:17:22 Oh, my God. Yeah, you know what I mean? As somebody who, I fell in love of Assassin's Creed and Assassin's Creed 2, played Brotherhood after that. The one after that, I forget what it was called. I didn't enjoy that much. Killing the Redcoats.
Starting point is 02:17:36 No, there was another Etsio in there. That's right. It was an Etsio trilogy. Then, yeah, it's three. I was like, I love America. Isn't that okay? Like black flag, I like the most from the game. Assassin's Creed Odyssey is the best Assassin's Creed
Starting point is 02:17:48 in the franchise for me, period. And I know. Before you get into why, can we just sidebar for it a second to my hope that someday Assassin Creed 3 will be remade as a Hamilton Taya? Yes, that'd be amazing. And before you continue, I want to say, this shouldn't be possible. The best Assassin's Creed game of all time in 2018.
Starting point is 02:18:11 Yeah. Seriously. Like, I feel like that's not talked about enough. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it makes sense because Origins was this revival for Assassin's Creed.
Starting point is 02:18:20 But it didn't click for me. Didn't like Bayek. Didn't like the world. Didn't feel it. And so to jump into Odyssey after seeing so much about it and having them say so much about it. And I remember as I was starting, to play Odyssey and really dig it.
Starting point is 02:18:31 Somebody tweeted or put up an article that was, man, Assassin's Creed Odyssey is the heir to Witcher 3's throne. And I was like, man, that's a bold fucking claim. Now 90 hours plus on the other side, 1,000%. One thousand percent. I get it. I didn't connect with
Starting point is 02:18:47 Garalt of Riviera, like that way in Witcher 3, like so many other people did. So I didn't invest that time. I love Cassandra in such a not sexual way, in such a character way, in such a story way, in such a she's the character I make her be. You know what I mean? Like the just the little choices and they put in that game of do you want to kill this person? Do you want a lot of this person?
Starting point is 02:19:07 Do you want to be the truthfulness person? Let's it takes away my biggest problem I had with Red Dead right of like I don't feel like I own that character. I don't I'm just along for their story which is good but I don't like their story because I compliment last of us on that all time. This one gave me that that enough of the shades of gray where I got to make Cassandra my own and in a year and a show right where we have talked. so much about games as service. And where that's really not my jam, Assassin's Creed is the opposite,
Starting point is 02:19:35 where it's so my jam. And they will have every dollar they can ever get out of me because I love all the content they've made and I've had so much fun with it. And I just want more reasons to go back. And that I have gone back to play missions that aren't attached to trophies. And that when I would, you know,
Starting point is 02:19:51 Jen would wake up in the morning and we'd make breakfast. She'd be like, well, what happened to Assassin's Creed last night? And I'd be able to rattle off four different side quests I did that were, hilarious that were touching that made me sad that made they all made me feel something nothing in that game is a throw away this is what it is right there's definitely downtime in terms of running across the map to get something there's definitely repetition in terms of like sure you go off you go this thing you bring it back like you know what I mean like the gameplay loop is a very surface
Starting point is 02:20:19 level in terms of what you're doing but to jump into the mastery the way I've built my character out to when we did a let's play stream or whatever and Kevin looked at how I've built out and he's like, man, that's not how I built out mine at all. The way Alana played versus how I played in our game spot stream, like, it's a game that I think you could take a glance at or even play. Like, oh, I get it. But then to see how somebody else plays it and see the difference in the vibes. And like, for, you know, Kevin to be playing as Alexios and me playing as Cassandra.
Starting point is 02:20:47 And for the choices I've made and like to actually come together and be like, well, what happened when you made this decision? And wait, what was your cut scene and da-da-da? Like, and then I even jumped on the fact of like, I don't think I've ever played a video game and been like, man, I should really go there. I play this game like, Marr, I should go to Greece. Like, I know it doesn't look like this anymore, but like, I'm so into this world. I've heard parts of it do. It's so beautiful and so cool and so much fun to explore. And it's a game, you know, it took me what, 80 hours to platinum or whatever. And I keep playing. I can't
Starting point is 02:21:16 wait for more content for it. And not even content in terms of new quest, but like when they did the whole thing of, you know, the things I wanted of taking one costume and making it look like another, but keeping stats, uh, the mastery skills, what you're going to do your point. Like, they're knocking out of the fucking park with this game to this day, let alone the fact that it was so good to start with. I don't know if this was on this cast. We've done so many podcasts today. I don't even remember anymore.
Starting point is 02:21:38 But at some point earlier today, we were talking about things we were going to go to over the break. And I just have to go back. Every time you talk about this, I get excited. I enjoy listening to you talk about Assassin's Creed Odyssey more than any time I've sat down and tried to play Assassin's Creed Odyssey at this point. I feel like if I can just get as hooked as you are into this, I'm going to get.
Starting point is 02:21:58 Well, that's why we're two sides of the same coin with Red Dead and Assassins, right? Still, so I feel like I feel like I'm going to like it if I just give it enough time again. Because it's just, again, you say things like the era apparent to which are three, that's beautiful. Also, someday you have to go play Plainscape Tourment. Just hearing you talk about this game, it's an old CRPG from the 90s, but it is like everything you're describing you love about Assassin's Creed is in this beautiful game. And I'm not going to say any more about that. Okay. You need to play Plainscape someday.
Starting point is 02:22:27 I want to give a shout out to Ubisoft. In the same way we were talking about Epic with Fortnite, how amazing a moment they're having in 2018, even if it wasn't starting in 2018. Their 2018 was insane. Ubisoft, man, their 2018 was insane. And to end it with what you're calling the best Assassin's Creed of all time, like good for them.
Starting point is 02:22:46 They're listening, they're growing. And I feel like it's not like they're coming back from the dead. For the past couple of years, they've had hit franchise after hit franchise. And it's never always 100% win. It's always kind of like a back-in-point. Hey, they stick with it, Siege. They're for honor.
Starting point is 02:23:01 So weird and wonderful, and they are the AAA developer publisher that this, this industry needs. I don't think that seven years ago, we would have been like, Ubisoft is the best third party of all time. I mean, here we are. Let's for a second, though, take a step back and just be, as terms of industry commentators. This is the year where they finally stopped the Vivendi thing. Like, you would have told me what two years ago, maybe even a year and a half, I think it was two years ago. It was like, oh, there's no way.
Starting point is 02:23:30 Venddi's buying them. If Vendini's going to get rid of the game all family, Jouzziers stuff. Ubisoft won, dude. And they stopped. Quality pivoted. One. This is such a rare moment.
Starting point is 02:23:39 We need to all appreciate this and understand what happened this year. If not last year, what happened last year, going into this year, though. But this year's, you know, increased proof that quality wins when it comes to video games. That said, best third part of year of all time is, Atlas and you take that nasty
Starting point is 02:23:59 comment back. That's, here's a, here's a fucking other game with some anime garbage. You should be a bad Atlas game since Jaws on Friday the 13th in 1980, what eight?
Starting point is 02:24:10 I love you so much, Jared. Atlas just makes great games. That's what they do. Well, while we're at it and has nothing to do with this, but this is from when I was in the bathroom peeing, I started seeing walkie-talkie man. Where is another elite beat agents?
Starting point is 02:24:21 Dude, where are you? We've talked so much about rhythm games and we haven't brought up What a Libid agent? Switch which has a touch screen. How has this not happened? It's bullshit. It's fucking the cowards that Nintendo. They just don't get it.
Starting point is 02:24:35 My number one for the year. Kevin, we're doing number ones. With rhythm heaven. Oh, together like cross. I'm with you. Olympiad agents cross rhythm heaven. My number one is anyone surprised. It's God of War.
Starting point is 02:24:46 My number one is God of War as one. And the reason is. Yeah, look at these guys. This shouldn't be possible. Yeah. I should not be giving a God of War game. My number one spot of the year, especially in a year where I have said,
Starting point is 02:24:59 we got a 2D platformer that is as good as a 2D Mario game and that we will never get a better 2D platformer. My favorite franchise, period, end stop. And I'm saying God of war is my number one. Loved God, like the God of War games, cool. They were fun. I was always a DMC guy. My best friend Curran, God of War was his shit.
Starting point is 02:25:22 I looked at it. I'm like, all right. The gameplay seems fine, whatever. It's more about the epic moments than it is about the gameplay. Yeah. Yeah. You know? So I was never about that shit.
Starting point is 02:25:31 And also, I feel like I would have been more about it if my PS2 didn't give out. And my laser would. Your laser drives down. My laser literally wouldn't read God of War II. So I just gave up on that franchise. The laser, not you. Thank you. This game did the impossible.
Starting point is 02:25:49 100%. It made a character of people don't care about. I hate it, creatives. Yeah. Care about them. Greg Miller being the biggest example of that. Yeah, I mean, you figure I, in my entire career, has been talking PlayStation. And so to come to God of war and always be like, Cratus sucks.
Starting point is 02:26:02 Yeah, the gameplay's fun. I felt, I fell in love with God of War gameplay on PSP. Like, you know what I mean? God of War of Sparta. War of Sparta? You're thinking of Ghost of Sparta. And there was the other one, Chains of Olympus. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:26:15 That's what, you know, ready at dawn sold me on it. But that was because it was such a dialed on story. And also, like, the one that I liked was him trying to find his brother, which was like, oh, hey, you're trying to give him a little bit. But even that it turns in him yelling at Calliopeia. You're like, whatever. This guy fucking sucks. He just fucks ladies and gets the orbs.
Starting point is 02:26:31 There was that weird trophy in number three. I didn't, but I was like, ah, Jesus, what are you doing? So like, the gameplay, sure, was always fine. It was always a spectacle or whatever. But like, when they were like, oh, more God of war, like, whatever. And then you saw that show and you're like,
Starting point is 02:26:44 I don't know. And then to sit down and play that game. It's what I've, why it's my number one and why it is my favorite game of all time now. It's surpassed peace walk out. Right. So you're saying that is your favorite. You recently been like, I think I might.
Starting point is 02:26:56 whatever. You're saying it now. Yeah, enough times past. And I think it's the case, the matter. It's just, I can't think of another gaming experience I've had
Starting point is 02:27:04 where not a moment of my time is wasted. I'm engaged from the start to the finish, right? Like, when I'm talking about looking back at my games, like, Assassin's Creed, like, yes,
Starting point is 02:27:15 I'm fast traveling here to ride my horse to here. And I don't mind this at all. But I, like, I'm very cognizant of like, checking my Twitter, doing this thing, doing this thing,
Starting point is 02:27:24 right? Spider-Man, I'm frustrated with this battle. I'm frustrated with that. I'm doing all right, whatever, whatever. I hate these fucking screwball challenges. Whatever.
Starting point is 02:27:31 God of war, I always, you know, the, the tired Greg Miller, the story this time is being in that fucking boat. And like, he's in the middle of a story.
Starting point is 02:27:41 And I roll up to where I need to be, but I don't get out of the boat because I don't want the story to stop. And then to like, you know what I mean? When I went and played it for preview, it had such a weird cut off of the, this isn't a spoiler.
Starting point is 02:27:51 The first, when you have the bore. And it cut off really abruptly. And I was like, why? And then when I was playing it, it was like, oh, that's when the radar pops on. And that's when hours into this game, it suddenly opens up. And then it happens again where it suddenly becomes really open world.
Starting point is 02:28:05 And you never knew what was about to happen. And just as you thought you had a handle in the world, something would change and go differently. But all the while, it's playing out in such a play structure. Where it is, guess what, everybody. We have a small cast of characters. So it's easy for you to keep track of who's who. Remember their name. Remember the relationship.
Starting point is 02:28:25 So important. Have a connection with them. The brother blacksmiths, right? That should be so throwaway, but you actually are invested in like, why are you guys not friends? And what are we going to do? Atreus is playing on it. Cratos being Cratos. The action, right?
Starting point is 02:28:37 That opening superhero fight, the best superhero fight there has ever been in the game. It's incredible. That game, dude. And then on top of it to be what I was talking about when I would compare when we reviewed Spider-Man and I was like, Spider-Man side missions popped up and I stopped everything to go do them. God of war side missions would happen and I would try to. did them, but I was so drawn back to the main story. But even after beating the main story,
Starting point is 02:28:58 I then went and did all the side stuff. And I know some people didn't like the Niffelheim stuff with the mist. I loved all that shit. Everything they had me do, I just ate up and had so much good times. And the chills, I got no spoilers when it was like, I don't have such a weapon. Like, are you fucking kidding?
Starting point is 02:29:15 Yeah, this is great. You're like, oh, it's freaking great. No, God of War, as a PC guy, I'm a fan of what are sometimes called in the genre, God games, right? I mean, a populace and civilization and things about black and white. God of war's first superhero battle made me feel more like a god than any God game ever has. And that was an incredible revelation.
Starting point is 02:29:38 Yeah. It's just not perfect. And that's my thing is I do say it's a perfect game. And also, of course, he's such a teddy bear. How can you just love the guy that made him? See, that's the one downside to me is that I hate him. He's a monster. He's on the game over a show.
Starting point is 02:29:50 Possibly out this week as you watch this. Yeah. Yeah. No, dude. such a special game. No one should like this game as much as they do, but we all do. And I haven't talked to anybody that I actually know and respect their opinion of that doesn't like this game, including people.
Starting point is 02:30:05 And I said this on the game of a radio show that I don't know how time works. You might be hearing after or before this. But my best friend listens to this show every once in a while, plays the games when I tell them to very rarely because he's like, oh, if you like it, I don't like it. That's just our relationship. You know what I mean? That's how that goes. So when you know someone that long, they tend to hate what you like.
Starting point is 02:30:25 Well, you are terrible. And that is true as well. He played this game and he's like, this is what video games can be. Like I didn't know this. Like I, he missed out a whole generation of video games. And that is what makes this to me the game of the year, but more than that, a game we're going to talk about forever. Right. The one take camera.
Starting point is 02:30:46 Yeah. I can't talk about enough as a. Like, it's weird even to say. because it makes, I can't even take this much credit being a like cinematographer or whatever the fuck. I get Sean Finan on the phone if you want. Yeah, exactly. Sean Finan is that guy. But like I went to school for film.
Starting point is 02:31:03 I went to school for cinematography and video and broadcast and all this stuff. And in my film classes, they showed us these moments that were one takes in movies and how momental they were. That entrance sequence in Magnolia where they walk into the studio. Exactly. And a child of man. Children of men. Children of men. All the action sequence there.
Starting point is 02:31:26 That's unreal. Where it's what, like 12 minutes. That's one take that is that is unheard of in movies. Like that is the number one one take in film history. That movie has two of those. And it has two. But the intro is that moment and they showed us and we watched it. And everyone was like, oh my God, I get it.
Starting point is 02:31:47 Like this is special. This is fucking crazy. Because you start to realize every. that had to go into it to make it work. Yeah, to make that work. God of war did that in an interactive way. Yeah. Across 20 hours.
Starting point is 02:31:59 And I love this because 18 months ago, you know, there were headlines that were like, our single player games dead. Like, and then you get this just like, I, I just love that it advanced the state of the art so beautifully. And that's another thing. There's an old story. It might be an acronym or might be apocryphal. I think it's true.
Starting point is 02:32:17 That when John Romero left Id and started working on Dicatana, which at the time, looked like a really exciting project. And John's made amazing stuff. John and Brenda, great folks. But at that time that he'd stepped away and they were working on Deketana, and then he went to a convention so the story goes and saw Quake 2 since he'd left it and realized,
Starting point is 02:32:40 oh crap, I have to go through all the work we've done over the last several months away, because you can't make this kind of game the way I did before anymore. The state of the art's been advanced. I feel like that's what God of War did for people that were working on AAA games all over the world. They looked at single player story-driven action adventure experiences and went, well, whatever we were working on is no longer good enough. I expect there to be a range of unannounced delays that we will never hear about the God of War triggered.
Starting point is 02:33:14 I mean, this is, I don't know shit. And I'm just saying this is a fucking guy that has wayless experience than you guys. but I look at it. I'm like, all right, let's look at PlayStation's line up now and what they're doing. No PSX and no E3. It's like, all right, why? And again, I don't want to be irresponsible.
Starting point is 02:33:31 That might be an apocryphal story that I told there. But I've heard it somewhere and I think there's something to it. Before we kick it to Jared for his number one game on his top 10 list. Who could it be? What could it be? I don't know. Who can imagine? What can it be?
Starting point is 02:33:43 I'd like to possibly blow up your list again based on Jared Petty's predictions. So what happened is Jared and I tied. We each got one ride out of Tim's 5, which isn't that great. However, Jared had a number one on here that you didn't put anywhere on your list. Just Shapes and Beats? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I fucked them up.
Starting point is 02:34:06 You fucking idiot. I literally, this morning, like, I didn't, like, okay, let me take a step back. We've recorded multiple games cast this week, multiple gongs, whatever, all the things. We've been working. I had one hour today between, morning show and our wing stop stream. And I'm like, that's when I'm going to do my top 10. I'm going to look and it should be easy.
Starting point is 02:34:25 I got this. If there's trophies on all these games, they would have been easy. In the beginning of this episode, I was just like, oh, this is the most predictable list of all time. Like, duh, it's fucking obvious. But I go to Wikipedia. I type in 2018 in video games. Oh, don't do that. And I go through. And I look at their release dates. It's so long. That list
Starting point is 02:34:43 is huge. Oh, it's not that long. It's not bad. Dude, it took me like 20 minutes. Yeah, you missed two. Yeah. I skimmed through them because I'm an idiot. That was my bad. If anything, I'll blame Jen. She was talking to me. What?
Starting point is 02:34:56 Oh my God. I blame her. Wow. It can't be me. Wow. She's not even defending yourself. I'm a perfect person. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 02:35:03 It couldn't be me. No, I did not see that. Let me look at this. Because this can really shake things up for you and me in our race. Yeah, I kind of wonder where this is going here. I, just shapes and beats is on my list. It's not top five. Okay.
Starting point is 02:35:18 But like, It goes dead cell. All right, hold on. Let me redo my list now. It's Tim's list again. Cause he screwed some shit up. He doesn't know how to read Wikipedia's been drinking all day long.
Starting point is 02:35:32 It's Tim Geddes. This pretty dramatically changed my list, actually. There's a lot more changeups than you think. Okay, okay. This goes higher, which moves things in a way that, like, changes everything. My number one, God of War, number two, Celeste, number three.
Starting point is 02:35:49 Spider-Man, number four, Messenger, number five, Smash Bros. Ultimate, number six, dead cells. Number seven, Florence, number eight, shadow classes. Number nine, just shapes and beats. Okay. Wow. Number 10, beat saber. Wow, Pokemon's off.
Starting point is 02:36:08 Pokemon, let's go, Evie, off the list. Pocket monsters booted. Just Shapes and Beats is fucking amazing. The one thing I need to tell you, if you love rhythm games, this is for you. If you love schmups, this is for you. If you love one of those, it's for you. I'm not a big schmup guy.
Starting point is 02:36:25 I'm a big rhythm guy. And the schmop stuff scared me, worried me. I got through it. I had to play on easy mode. It's a very difficult game. It is ridiculously hard even on normal. But this game playing through on single player is so special because the campaign, the world map becomes the game.
Starting point is 02:36:41 It becomes the levels that you're playing. You never know what's going to come at you. And I've never played anything like it. That's it. No shame. on that with the easy mode stuff man. Someday I want to write the article the top 10 games that are best on easy mode.
Starting point is 02:36:53 Easy mode makes some games more fun. It's going to beak that list. Yeah, so is Red Faction and Gorilla, which is just a more fun video game on Easy Mode. Yeah, it's shit's crazy. But Jared, what's your number one? Shockingly, my number one is a small independent independent independent adult game
Starting point is 02:37:10 that didn't make either of y'all's top ten lists called Redid Reddit Redemption 2. And wow, big surprise. Jared runs Reddit podcast. He really liked this game. I said at the beginning of the podcast that my particular list was oriented or pardonly was influenced by two major factors. The first being the critical approach of context, how it relates to what's happening around it and before it. And second to just how happy it did it make me this year as a favorite. Let's look at each of those for this game. When it comes to the critical approach, I think that this was a game that
Starting point is 02:37:44 faced two unique and difficult contrasts and pulled them both off spectacularly. The first was this was a video game that was required to be an intersection between a single-player coherent story around Arthur Morgan, around a character that we were forced into being. And we had franchise in his life, enormous franchise in his life. But there was a story to be told around that character and in particular around his interactions to a gang of about 20 people that he was very close to. And that story had to have both player agency and coherency. I think they nailed that. And they nailed it in a way that got me in the fields more than once and really struck me. But that had to coexist at the same
Starting point is 02:38:29 time with the structure of an open world game, which is all about doing whatever you want and the Arthur that you want to create as you travel about and do your thing. And I likewise believe they did a spectacular job with that. Why is this child screaming? Game the year is cursing. That kind of funny. One year we get the fucking a lot going off the car.
Starting point is 02:38:50 We have a screaming child. It's kind of kind of level. Waiting for the bus? I don't know. Banshee out there outside the window. But those two things, I think, meet very well in this game. And in that challenge of doing that on the AAA budget in the most
Starting point is 02:39:06 beautiful open world game I've ever seen, with so many moving parts. And instead of feeling like weird Bethesda Jank, it feels smooth and beautiful and elegant and purposeful. It nails that. On the other side of the critical spectrum, it also exists at an intersection
Starting point is 02:39:25 of three influences. This is a game that's designed to feel in certain targeted ways extraordinarily, historically, realistically realistic. It's a game that's supposed to immerse you in a time and place that you're no longer a part of.
Starting point is 02:39:39 second it likewise has to serve the purpose of being a video game being fun and entertaining and third it has to feeding into those two also carry rock stars fascination trademark fascination with cinematic influence and i'm not talking about cut scenes been talking about movie inspired moments from the wild bunch to unforgiven all these to butch cast into the sundance kid all these things that feed in and again i believe it accomplishes those three ridiculously complex things extraordinarily well. So from a critical perspective, I think it exceeds expectations in both of those fields. But on the other side, just speaking as a guy that likes to play video games, this game was made for me. Like if somebody had sat me down and said, Jared, we want to make you a big cowboy game. What's going to be in it? It would be like Red Dead Red Dead Redemption too. Nobody sat me down and did that.
Starting point is 02:40:35 They just said, Jared, what would the music be like? Jared, what would the opening world be like? Jared, what would the pacing be like? And what a lot of people didn't enjoy as much, and I understand this. The mosying, lackadaisical travel, my Western game that I made for me would have been like that. Not for a lot of people, but for me, perfect. And likewise, what kind of story would it have told?
Starting point is 02:40:59 And what would the locations have been like? What would the combat have focused on? They just read my mind, I swear, and made the game. I personally wanted. And so as much as I enjoy the critical perspective, sure. Somebody accidentally made my perfect video game what I wanted to play.
Starting point is 02:41:21 And that's why it's my game in the year, because I loved it. And I totally get that a lot of people didn't. And I totally get the lot of people did. But I had more fun playing Redid Redid Redid Redemption 2 than I've had doing much of anything in a very long time. time. That's awesome. What a year for games.
Starting point is 02:41:41 What a decade for games. What a decade for games. I mean, decade might be a bit much. Decad of dreams. Decad of dreams really, like we've passed a year of dreams. Like we're,
Starting point is 02:41:50 that's the coolest thing, Greg. I'm happy you brought that up because the year of dreams in 2015, turned into year two of dreams, turned into year three of dreams, turned into now what we call the decade of dreams. But it's like those games are proving to be successful, proving to be winners,
Starting point is 02:42:05 proving to be, and maybe not those games, specifically, actually, the more that I think about it. But like, we'll see one day with a Bob vansi 7 remake and last guardian was fine. Shemu. And Shemu eventually we'll play it.
Starting point is 02:42:20 Shemu! It's like, but that idea of like the hype, the love of video games, the passion of video games, like I feel is being fulfilled. Year after year, hitting a new point now where
Starting point is 02:42:32 personally, I never believe video games would be where it's at. where I've always said that show me a video game story that rivals one of the top two movies. We haven't fucking seen it. And I still kind of believe that. But I don't think we're far off from it. Play a mind forever voyaging.
Starting point is 02:42:52 A what? Somebody nailed it in the 80s, but that's another talk for another time. That is. I look at this. I don't want to say something to this table right now. We're now talking about kind of funnies game of the year. Go, go, go, game of the year.
Starting point is 02:43:07 Game of the year. That's what happens for a game of the year conversation, Kevin. I was just off guard by the time. Are we out of recording time? No, no, no, no. Kind of funny's game of the year. We need to make a decision. And honestly, it's going to come down to the three of us.
Starting point is 02:43:20 Right. Which is not fair to one person at this time. No, I think, I think that's fair because mine was number, my number two and your number ones were. But I will say, I will say, IGN, game of the year, got a four. GameSpot, Game of the Year. Red Dead Redemption. Hacks, boo! Lucy James, boo!
Starting point is 02:43:41 I feel it's undeatable. Those are the two biggest names in video game critics currently. Oh, sure. So, the debate is there. I didn't play Red Dead at all. I know it's not for me.
Starting point is 02:43:57 For everything you just said, why it's your favorite game and why it was made for you, it wasn't made for me. Yeah, I get that. You know? Greg Miller. God of War is your game.
Starting point is 02:44:05 You didn't love Red Dead when you played it for the reasons that you've explained a million times. Jared, do you have any argument that God of War is not kind of funny as game of the year? I think looking at these lists, no. I think that Red Dead Redemption is my game of the year, but I think looking at our collective right here where you and I had Celeste very high.
Starting point is 02:44:28 Greg didn't, and that was one of the very high games. Greg, your number three was, I'm sorry. Was Beat Saber, which was high on your list, but didn't make mine. I, or was near the bottom of your list, but didn't make mine. It was on my top 10, though. I think when one game is universally among the three of us,
Starting point is 02:44:43 recognized as a 10, when one game is both of your favorite game of the year and my second favorite game of the year, I think it's pretty clear what the winner is here. Let's go down on the list. How many of these games would we say are tens on our list? Because I would say the God of War and Celeste are a 10 and a 10. God of War, Celeste, and for me,
Starting point is 02:45:04 again. If I had been a reviewer on Reddhead, I would have given it 10. I would say God a Warren Celeste. Again, Celeste, I played and I enjoyed it. It was something very similar of like you're saying, it's not a Greg game. That's not why I get into games. I was enjoying it. I was making great progress. I forget what came to switch that I went off to go play that and never came back. I think about it often because I know that you can still platinum it by turn in the easy mode, all the stuff like the assists or whatever. And it's like, I still haven't seen the ending. I still should get back to that. I should do that. You really should man, it's great.
Starting point is 02:45:33 You know, weirdly, I didn't review into the breach and I'd like to do more with it before it. But even though it's the 10th game on my list, critically, I might have been tempted to give it into the breach of 10. What a fucking. So, there it is. Ladies and gentlemen,
Starting point is 02:45:50 kind of funnies game of the year. God of war. Congrats to Sani-Sotomaylorica. Sony Santa Monica. You want to pass the baton? What I just do? No, what was the word? What's the word?
Starting point is 02:46:02 Someone tell me. I know what you mean. It was one of the word of the days. Words of the day? The thing where you were wrong about what it was, though, right? No, I was like... Enomology versus... No, I asked the people what it was.
Starting point is 02:46:13 It was one of the words. I'm so bad, I don't know. This is the worst moment of my 2018. Just... No. Just no. When you slip, Kevin, the chat saying it. When you slip the fucking first letters of words.
Starting point is 02:46:25 When you flip-flop it. It's one of the words of the day. Nobody knows the word of... It wasn't really a word. No, but it was somebody. one of the words that they figured it out. This is the... But they figured it out.
Starting point is 02:46:36 They figure it all out because they're the fucking best. Thank you so much for being the best community that ever fucking lived. That all I need to say is here's some stupid English shit that I'm trying to figure out. And you guys gave me the words. You guys taught me the words I don't remember. Amplology? I don't know what it was. Entomology versus...
Starting point is 02:46:54 Do you guys know what's the name of the word that if you switched the word wow into mom? Flip it over. Well, I mean, you're inverting the word. Palleng home is what. Pallandrome is when you read it from Cabab says spoonerism It's not that no Why are we talking about this?
Starting point is 02:47:11 Kind of funny morning show Come on. Tim Ragnarok, let's go. I love you guys. Thank you so much for an amazing 2018. This has been one of Kind of Funnies best years ever If not the best kind of funny year.
Starting point is 02:47:24 Oh my God, no, totally our best year. But I'm telling you right now, 2019 is going to be even better. A lot of people are saying ambigram. Is that right? Ambigrim. Ambram. That sounds made up.
Starting point is 02:47:33 I thought that was... No, it's not. It's not. Ambram is the wow turning to mom. Okay. That was the morning show word for Wednesday. But there is a word for... Spoonerism? For when you fuck up like Thor's Sum, sore thumb.
Starting point is 02:47:46 Oh yeah, that's Spoonerism. I just looked at up. Oh, was it? Okay, cool. Spoonerism. I did a spoonerism. I'm so disappointed. I'm so disappointed that it was spoonerism after all that build up.
Starting point is 02:47:56 That... See, guys? Sandy, Simone, Monica. At the show. For a show. of the year. Kevin, let's do three hours right now on our most anticipated 2019 games.
Starting point is 02:48:08 Yeah, I'm good with that. Next podcast, Gamescast number 203, the first ever. Now, love you guys. Thank you so much. I'm going to be real with you guys. We're not doing a post show for this episode. Yo, we have things to do.
Starting point is 02:48:20 We'll talk for... Yeah, and one of those things is the post show. Do you really think... We just gave them three hours and 12 minutes of content. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for watching the kind of funny games cast.
Starting point is 02:48:30 Remember, January 4th, 2019. Kind of Funny 4.0. Come see what we have plan for 2019 on Twitch.tv slash Kind of Funny Games. We have a 12-hour stream starting at 11 a.m. Pacific time. Come hang out of... You get a week off to worry about it, Kevin.
Starting point is 02:48:45 Oh, yeah, one week off this year. You know what, Kevin, shut up. You know, there's plenty of people hired at the 7-Eleven. You want to go work there? Run the tech on their stream. You sick at me and I ate you. You, though, Patreon people
Starting point is 02:48:55 and everybody watching, we love you very much. Until next time, this is another kind of funny games cast.

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