Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Google Stadia vs xCloud Hands-On Impressions - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 248

Episode Date: November 25, 2019

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What's up guys, welcome to the first ever. Episode 248 of the Kind of Funny Games cast. As always, I'm Tim Geddes, joined by one of the coolest dudes in video games with the future video games in his hands. Oh, this is me streaming some games. Greg Miller. Now, Tim, while you were topping off your water or coffee or whatever the hell you were doing, the question proposed on the pre-show was simple. Is it okay to be racist to fictional racists? Or racist, racist, racist to fictional racists.

Because Fran just doesn't like Jawa's. Is that okay? Imbron said that, not me. That was... I mean, he doesn't like a hard no, man. Thank you. That's what we all said, too. We were like, Fram, don't be like that.

This is why you should watch the pre-show, and it was not me. I was calling out fictional racism. I said, you don't want to be any kind of racist. Frayn doesn't stand by that, no. Fram is a really charged against. Fran Mirabella is the least racist person I know. I will be damned if you're going to talk about Jawa's and Professor E. Yeah, I was just trying to draw the line that everyone else was already thinking between Jawa's and EGAD.

Oh, they sound similar. There you go. They do. Also, fictional racist. No, that's not racist. Their intonation is completely different. No, it's not, nothing about, is it fictionally racist? That's it.

I'm not fictually racist. I'm Tim Gettys. That's friend. What a way to start a show, everybody. We have the former and former Imran Khan joining us once again. If you want to get that thrilling pre-show, you can go to patreon.com slash kind of funny games. You also get this show early. You get the show ad-free.

You can watch live as we record it. So many options. If you don't want to do that, unlike our Patreon producers, Angel Gutierrez and James Hastings, aka Good Human Beings, you can just wait and watch it for free later on YouTube.com or Rousatheat.com, or you can listen to it on your favorite podcast service. We like to give you options. So however you want to consume us, you may. Fran.

Fran, how do you want to be consumed? I'll let Tim handle that. Cool, round of broadcast. I'll consume you. Dipped in chocolate, nibled on by Jalas. We like to keep the options open. You can go to kindof funny.com slash gamescast, you're wrong as you're watching the show if we mess anything up.

And then the following week, we will let you know what we got wrong. Imran, I feel like, were you not on the show? I was not on last week. So we have one from the week before for you. And then we have one from when we did the PlayStation debate. They're really piling up. Lauren says on episode 246,

Imron said the Tomb Raider 4 was on PlayStation 2 under the name Angel of Darkness. While Angel of Darkness was the first in the series on PS2, Angel of the Darkness is actually Tomb Raider 6. What? Oh, I missed two entire Tumra of games. I was right there with you. I totally, I thought it was four.

He was pretty close. Blow in my mind. There was Tomb Raider the last revelation in Tomb Raider Chronicles that were on PlayStation 1. I don't know that I've ever played either of those games. I definitely haven't. Interesting. Out of sight.

Out of mind. Thank you, Greg. Maxwell Broome said, I believe this past week, the episode with the iconic PlayStation games, y'all were discussing difficulty in games, specifically Death Stranding. Fran said something like,

just start on hard, You couldn't go down if you need to. When I was watching a friend start, it specifically said you can't change difficulty after starting. So that's a no-go for death strength. Okay. If you're going to run in to- No, you can. I definitely did. Make sure that you have the facts because otherwise it confuses us all.

Because see, Tim only played for what? Several hours. He wouldn't know for sure. You absolutely can change it down. I mean, I've done it. You can't change back up, I don't think. Yeah, you can. Can you?

What it does is it reset you at the beginning of the last mission that you're on. and it just resets you there so it's fine so I'm not sure where that information came from ladies and gentlemen we're in our first your wrong a thought where we're you're wrong into you're wrong but we're not sure who's wrong and who's right

we're going to need some further clarification you go to kind of funny dot com slash gamescast you're wrong to let us know the definitive answer about death stranding can you change your difficulty and then change the difficulty back I love the promo but that you don't believe me I take issue

80 plus hours I would team You're not a racist, fictional or otherwise. Okay. Andy will answer this for us later. Yeah, at some point. A fellow death training. Yes, yes, yes. Seriously, thanks for writing it.

It is helpful. And today we are brought to you by Upstart, Trojan condoms, and Logitech. What? Yeah, that's good. We'll talk about all that later. That sounds like a good night. I know, right?

There you go, man. Got my loan to prove. Got my car. Condoms ready. I want to start. I don't think you said loan for a second. Star Wars Jedi. Fall in Order updates.

We did our full review last week. And Ron, you missed out on that conversation. I did miss out on it. So we had to have you back here. We have Barrett and Greg working on their 100% there. Fran, since last week, where you at? Oh, I finished it. A little Jedi Grand Franster.

Hell yeah. I'm trying to throw Fran in it. So you stuck to Grand Master? Actually, I did master about 50% through, and then I moved on a grandfranster. Grandmaster, and we can talk about the difficult stuff later if you want, but I finished it. You went up to Grandmaster. Yes, sir.

Oh, big dick swiggin. Last week, though, we ended the show with a little metacritic prediction. Oh, yeah, I forgot about this part. Now, I'm going to tell you right now, Greg. Yeah, it's complicated. So we had Ash Paulson on last week as well. He and Greg both came in at 81, all right? Barrett came in at 84, I came in at 85, Andy at 86, Kevin at 88, Fran at 89.

Wow. Now the Metacritic score... Faulty platform game as well. Yeah, exactly. And that's where this gets. A little complicated. If we're going by PlayStation 4, like I imagine Greg Miller would... I'm going by whichever one I won.

PlayStation 4. I did? Nailed it right on. 81? 81 on PlayStation 4. Xbox 1, is that an 82? and PC is at an 83. Huh.

Presumably we'd have to just average the three scores together. See, I didn't think about playing that way, but regards, I'm way off. But next time, I'm around the block. So, I mean, yeah? So no matter how you shake it, though, nobody guessed 82 or 83. So it's between Greg and Barrett. Retractively, I'm going to make my guess 82 or 83. Yeah, there you go.

Everyone won. Holy shit. It's crazy. It's crazy how that all works. But anyways, back to Fallen Order. Um, Amron, let's get your impressions on it. I play, I'm talking about, I want to say eight hours in. I've done a decent amount of the game, not nearly enough, I would say, to like make it a full review.

But I think I'm right before you get the pull powers for the force, or, because I'm seeing all these ropes that are like, hey, these are the thing that you could probably access. You can just pull them down. It's not much of a spoiler. Yeah. For some reason, you're like a shitty Jedi that just can't, like, push this a little further. But I, I really like the game a lot. but it is immensely frustrating in how unpolished it is. Like, there, I was telling, I think I said this on Gives Daily this morning,

but like, I shoved a Stormtrooper into a wall, and it just got lost in the wall. What platform? Xbox 1X. Yeah, see, there's your problem, everybody. I assumed that the problem? Consoles are part of it, but we'll get that. Oh, okay. Okay, I assumed, honestly, that would be the best version, because, like, working-wise.

Over PC? Oh, maybe not. But I... Anyway, sorry. I went for that one. It is a very, very glitchy game. I've had a number of hard-long. I've had a number of things.

Hard locks? Yes. Jeez. Like I'll, I will be going up to a thing, and I'll start a battle, and like, just as the lightsaber starts swinging, zh, like, that kind of thing. That's crazy. Never happened to me. I appreciate the ways in which it is a soul's like game, but I think, I'm not going to say

from software as perfect in design or anything. I think they have a very strong basis for why they put things the way they do. So, like, there's a couple of times in Fall Order where I don't know if these are meant be hard fights or they're just fights that I find very hard, but I get to a thing where I'm dying, frog, stuff like that. Supposed to. Like when you first get onto the Darth Mall planet and you first meet those, those night brothers, like getting there each time, like you die, you head back to the ship.

To get back to that fight, even though there is a shortcut, you have to climb this, like, uncharted style climbing segment, which is like, you cannot do this any faster. Why is this between, like, why was there not a better bonfire option nearby here? those are the kinds of things that are like they should have put a bit more thought into the design of these because it is just it's pointless frustration

I don't yeah it's very old school it's funny I was using that word I'm not excusing it I agree with you I think at times it's like not fun to do that over and over they dropped in soul Z

soul's light I think it's perfect because it's not stark souls and it's not secure a level like the way that it's structured the way the AI works the way the pair all the above like sometimes you're just getting a group of enemies too. And like, it's just, it feels very different to me than like the reason you play

Dark Souls and Securo and that is because of the intensity, but it's polished around that. Right. Or this like drops it in and then all of a sudden it can be frustrating. But I'd agree with you. There's times where you just like die and certainly playing a master and grandmaster. You're like, I got to go all the way back. Thankfully, I love exploration games. So I have a lot of different stuff to say on that. But I think you hit the nail on the head. Like no excuse they needed to come up. Well, it's weird because when you first, uh, though, right? You do just

or no, wait, if you run out of all your stims is when you reset, but if you fall off a ledge and stuff, it spawns you right there. Right, if your life bar goes out, then you're done. Yeah. Which is actually really nice. Yeah. Is that what, meaning when you jump, and if you make that dumb uncharted, didn't see the camera or where it was going, mistake.

You make a mistake. If the game decides, you didn't make the show. Oh, you didn't grab the rope. The camera was wonky. Perfect. So I like that it, boom, it's just, okay, sorry, we'll drop you right back where you were, which that has caused some game breaking bugs. Which brings, this is not an issue I'm assuming with you on PC because I assume you're playing on an SSD. But fuck those respawn times.

Holy shit. Oh my God. They are like, I've timed it once. It was 45 to 50 seconds. Wow. I never had that. I don't have that problem. It's just the frequency, because I keep dying.

Yeah. That makes it really annoying. Like, it is straight up pull a phone out and look at Twitter, Tom. Like, why is there, there's certain things of why is there a button that you have to press to respond sometimes? Like, what is the point of that? Why not just? Why not just, because it is response? You have to say a response.

You got to find a response. You got to find it. a spot for it. Why is it just start loading up there? Why does it have to reload this far back? What is it doing in this process? Like, Dark Souls, Bloodbord was pretty bad about this, but Blood Board eventually got fixed, so, you know, are they going to

fix this one? Dark Souls is pretty immediate about it. Yeah. I hope so, because, yeah, these, I hate to hear it. These bugs. I hate to hear it. Glad you guys got to. Watch the kind of funny Halloween pay-per-view if you haven't. They put out a pass this week, do anybody? I don't... I don't...

There wasn't update for the Xbox One. not sure when it was. But I don't think it's fixed that. This is one of those ones that I've seen throughout the week for Games Daily. People are like, oh, there's a Star Wars patch coming, but I'm never seeing what the news is that's just coming. One day ago, Star Wars Jedi Fall in Order just got a performance patch on PC. There's new hope for consoles. So it's it.

And I think we should get into that stuff later and let Imron finish. But, God, I... We have a patch that will follow on Xbox 1 and PS4 are due out this week. Yeah, when you guys talked about it last week and some of these glitches, you were like, I'm hovering off the ground at times. And there's loading issues. There is a ground. And I was like, I had played for like 10 hours at that time. Yeah, and I was like, I didn't run into that.

I ran into almost strictly uncharted type design stuff, which is just, it's not polished enough. It's not bad, though, for me. But it's like, oh, it wanted me to go here. I guess I didn't see that, and it was a little frustrating. But then I figured it out moved on, but glitch-wise, I actually experienced basically nothing on PC, and a nice PC setup as well. So, anyway, it sounds like consoles really brought down the enjoyment of the game, because

because I have a lot of, like, I'm gushing about it. Yeah. No, I'm enjoying the game quite a bit. It's just like stuff like that, stuff like, I don't think the design of Dark Souls is compatible with a story. Okay, so when I'm getting out of that, like, Dark Souls, I'm not rushing any sort of particular plot points to get further to find out what happens next,

because there is no real plot to that game. It's me discovering the lore and finding, like, the bosses and such that, like, exist parallel to that lore. With Fall in Order, I'm like, okay, want to know what happens next to the story and DeKal and the Wookiees and the Keshik and all that stuff. But I'm dying a lot. So I'm not like inching forward because I want to rush forward and play like see what happens next. So I kind of want like for me the design of those two things is incompatible. So that's weird because I am on the opposite end where the dark soul stuff

anytime I only have ever even tried dark souls but bloodborn like when I gave that a shot. It's just like to me I'm like I'm not invested in this. So it's not worth the learning curve. Whereas with Fallen Order I was like, I was like, I'm like, I'm not. I want to know what happens next. I want to care about this character. I want to feel like I'm growing. So it all kind of felt like it was moving forward with purpose, which kind of felt like the next cutscene was the reward.

Right. Because Blood Board is like it's a game where the story is you're learning more about the world. You can't do that with Star Wars. Because we know everything that's about the world and Star Wars for the most part. Medi chlorines. Medilorate, obviously. But it's, I want us know what happens next with Calcestus and like with Saw Guerrera, which, by the way, I think an underrated joke in that game is that when you meet Saa

where it's on the forest path. Of course, man. That's a pretty good joke. Yeah. And it's Forrest Whitaker in the game, which is insane. Okay, I was trying to figure out like, huh. Wow, good for you guys. Disney money.

Yeah. But. I want to see more about the story, and it makes me rush things I shouldn't rush. I should let these Stormtroopers and monsters fight it out. So just for clarity, are you playing on story mode? No, I'm playing on whatever the... Jedi Knight, the second one? Yeah, the one up from that.

I'd call that normal mode. That's what I assume. Because like when they name's difficulties like that, I'm never sure like, well, it's like, you've played some action games. I'm like, yeah, I have played some action games. I have actually. But I'm actually finding this game pretty tough. It's funny. It's really tough.

The euphemism of story mode, by the way. They don't want to call it easy mode anymore and they don't want to call the other one normal mode. I find games are getting away from those two terms for whatever reason. But if that's the way you want to make the game, like if that's the ideal way for the game to be played, calling a story mode turns me off. You see, I don't think it is the ideal way for the game to be played. I like the naming conventions. I think that it more adequately describes

what the experience you're getting out of it is. The fact they show the Perry Windows 2 and however people are. I like that too. I feel like this game does a very good job of making you understand what it means. And even playing Jedi Knight, it being as hard as it is,

being only just once, being the normal of this game, I feel like it gives me an appreciation for the higher levels where I'm seeing what it actually does to the Perry and to the different things. It kind of comes down to their intentions for it because this is the thing that piss me off

about Halo too, was when you go like to the legendary difficulty is like this is the way Halo is meant to be played. It's like, no, that's too hard for me. As someone who's not really into Halo, like, that is more difficult than I want to do. So, but I'm also feeling bad like, oh, well, this is the designer's intention. So is this the way I'm supposed to be playing it. So, like, if story mode, like, it defaults to story mode from the beginning, like, from when you first choose your difficulty. So, like, does that mean this is actually the normal mode or is the one up the one they want me to play? It means if you just

want to enjoy the story, and that's how I take it. But back to my, the question I was going at was, you were saying the checkpoints were the problem, but now it almost sounds like you're saying the fights are just like kind of too difficult at time. So which is it? It's kind of a combination of both. Okay. So if it's the checkpoints,

that's not all of it for you. You actually think the design... I don't mind it being too hard. Okay. It could be way harder, honestly, but... Yeah, because you've played soul games which surprises me because on the story mode, I didn't try it.

I have to imagine it's... Just be patient. Like, it'll just fall over. Right. I platinum, pretty much... I platinum Budborne, from Sekiro. Like, these are, these are not,

games are impossible for me. I just, I tend to find this one a little bit more frustrating in general. Just because I, I feel like I'm less in control of my character than I want to be. I'm intentionally sticking on this point for a second

because it leads, I think, eventually, and I'm going to wait to get to it. But like, this game is all about progression and you are on the low end of the curve. So you're frustrated for a reason. That's what I would say. I don't know if you guys feel that way. What's up, Kevin?

It intentionally leaves things very, very, vacant for quite some time. So when you get your next power, it's like, oh my God. So you're missing, I don't know where you're at, but I think you're missing the right skill choices and progression that it's sort of saying you need to, maybe you should go somewhere else even. I wanted to chime in because a lot of what Imran's saying, I totally agreed at originally. I think that when we did this, the last, when we actually were doing the review, yeah, last week, I had just gotten past this. And I was having a lot of trouble for the first, like,

six or eight hours the game just not feeling. Like, all the flaws you're saying right now that I totally agreeing where it's like the mechanics, you know, like the fighting people doesn't feel awesome and you're not equipped jumping around also kind of sucks. But like, my update

is I am so in with this game. Okay. That like once I like got past I think it really was getting forceful. And there was a little bit like I was also strengthened in my character so I felt a lot stronger too, the combination of having

Stim for health and Yeah, the combination of everything really, like, I felt like a jump in You get over the hump. My characters, yeah, exactly. To the point where I completed the game, love the story. Awesome. The ending is phenomenal.

Do it as quick as possible, so you don't get it spoiled, but, you know, it's kind of late for that now. No, don't spoil. No, I'm not going to spoil it. He's not going to spoil it. He's not going to spoil it. Yeah, just saying, like, be aware. Stay away from any thing. When Wado shows. Well, not swell.

Let's hear, stay away from in-in-off wall. The lightsaber comes up underneath, yeah. So I'm also to the point where it's like, all right, I finished the story. I have 100% of all the planets except for one. And, like, I'm, like, I still intend to do that. Because I love it so much. And I want to stay in that world. And even though, like, when you get to the point where you're like, oh, I'm going to 100% the map, there are some frustrating moments.

But, like, I love it so much that I'm, like, jumping in that deep, which is something I don't typically do with games. Okay, that's exciting. It's something you typically do. That's right. and you're doing it again now how is the the platinum experience it's great i mean it's i'm with where where kevin is right of like i love this world and i love the game plan i love everything about it so i want to be in it as long as possible and so it's the rare game where i'm like i want a new game plus for it or like i was thinking about like man if he came

if it was on the x cloud or whatever would i play it again there you know what i mean screw out that the platinum right now is good it's going well it's uh weird i haven't made as much progress as i want i had uh poe in town this weekend so i was hanging out with him the whole time and then we had stadia stuff to do and then now we're going to london so i mean i'm chipping away at it when i can i think i have maybe two maps left to get to 100 percent i'm running around trying to find all my c's trying to find all that stuff and it's also the thing of i want to commit to it in platinum it but i'm actually enjoying the all right cool the way they break it down like i'm sure you saw it but i'm not how much you got intuitive like sure there's the chests right and then

there's the overall 100% of the map and then there's the percentages for it they make it really they make it really obvious where you need to go for what you need to do. And so when I'm there and I can see how big the area I'm in is, it's all like, cool. Like, I don't immediately go pull up a guide or pull up a thing to go find it. It is. Let's run around. Let's try to explore. Have I been back here with all my powers? I'm not sure. So it is that run around and try to figure out exactly what's going on. I wish there were more things in chess besides cosmetics. Really? Like, it's neat, but I know every time I go to go to a chess, I'm like, this is going to be a thing I'm not going to change because I kind of like my current set. Dude, that's my, my thing about it

where I was like, I'm happy they did it the way they did it because I felt it wasn't superfluous crap. That was my thing. Because I am a, oh, I got a new poncho. I wanted to go see it and do it. And like, every time I'd get a new lightsaber apart and I'd go to a, I'd see a table, I'd stop to screw around with it. It wasn't until a very specific moment in the story where I was like,

okay, now I'm locked in and this is what it's going to be going forward for me. And so I liked the fact that it wasn't some stupid thing. I wouldn't knew a piece of lore I wouldn't read necessarily. Yeah, I agree with the general sentiment. Like it gets the number of ponchos you get after a while. The ponchos are ridiculous. Yeah. And like me,

I would have liked more way more basic I would have liked more vanity items and I'm curious is it did you want to see that or are you saying you want to see like a control

like system like mod drops like what would you be looking at? Honestly like mod drops would be fine I like I don't know what I would want in there it's just when I go to a chest

I'm like I know what this is going to be and it's not because I guess thematically this is my own weirdness like I don't want a new lightsaber because to me he shouldn't have a green

lightsaber yet because he's still a Patawan It's fair. It doesn't make, like, I'm not going to give him a red lightsaber or anything like that. Like, for right now, he should have a blue lightsaber, so changing that up isn't going to really matter to me yet. Yeah, and you don't find the colors for lightsabbers in the chest or anything. You just at the beginning given.

Yeah, just in general, like, also it's hilarious to me. You find this thing deep in an imperial, like, mine of, here's a fucking poncho in a, like, treter jest. Taking the fun out of game. We're going to go back and break down games over the absurdity of the way some things arrive. But that's a thing. But that's like, you got a laser pointer insecure that points off. your chest when you're targeting enemies. I mean, like,

but like, thematically, this game does so much good of, like, this makes me feel like a Jedi. Like, it is thematically, even though it has the same kind of mechanics as control, it takes a totally different direction

in how you, like, gain and recharge your energy, which puts it in a different way, because, like, control of the ideas you're always doing something, straight up. And in Jedi Fallen Order, you need to be like,

you're always still doing something, but it's not always offensive. It can be defensive as well, and that's how you, like, get through. I think Jedi Fallen Order an adventure game and control as a combat game.

I don't really they're both combat games, but yes. This is definitely a combat. I look at this as a combat game. As somebody that doesn't dive into those games, this is very much combat. You need to be good at combat to be able to... Oh, you absolutely do.

Progress at all. Yeah, but you also need... Okay, that's fair. If you're rating it on how good you need to be. But I was getting it, like, for me, the combat's like 50% of it. I mean, the other... Even less than that, 45% is combat.

Really? 55% is the exploration of the wonder. Action Adventure. Yeah, yeah, meaning just the one of exploring the planets and all that. All these moments of fighting, meaning I'm excited to use my powers. Well, that's the thing about it right now

where I'm at with it, of going through you and platinuming it, is the idea of, like, suddenly there's this new aspect of the game. There was before, obviously, of exploration, but now it is very much that I am there, and sure, I'm never thinking about killing the people. I kill them or whatever, and then it is, like,

stand around and look around and figure that up, and have I climbed up there and climb up there and, fuck, no, come down and do the same thing. Like, I'll be running around for, what? Dozens of minutes with no enemies because I kill them all before I make them respawn or something. I do think it's funny that as a Jedi Knight, because they said there's going to be no like Sith, moral choice,

whatever in this game. I think it's funny that as a Jedi Knight, I'm basically a Sith of like, I'm just going to keep resting and resurrecting these people at this point. I just want more experience. Because I'm going to keep farming. Like this Storm Trooper is having the worst, like, nightmare experience of his life.

When I was trying to get the trophy for hitting them like three in a row with a lightsaber, it was the same thing. Yeah, I'm like, that should work. And respawn them all, respond to these guys. They kept dropping in. because of the fucking game and how it's interesting like a lot of games do

try to explain that and at some point I guess they just gave like Sekiro doesn't bother to explain why you're just popping everyone again so like Dark Souls is oh everyone's undead no one really dies

Blood World War's like we have some like weird Cthulu thing going on here and Daddy Fall Roar is like we're a video game enjoy yourself meditation but see the thing that I have an issue with the video game

enjoy yourself and this goes to the cosmetic stuff as well that stuff doesn't bother me but it does bother me when it's compared to how realistically they treat the ship landing and the checkpoint system and having to get back to the ship

where it's like, it's all in real time. Yep. You know, it's like there aren't these moments where he's kind of like, we're jumping forward. It's like, if your ship's over there, you got to get back to your ship, you can't just teleport because they can't teleport. You need to get back there.

And when you die, you have to get to the boss again. It's like, if the game's going to do that, I feel like there's just little things they could have done. That's a great point. That's a great point. To make the world feel as real as that does. And again, that doesn't really take, me out of it because I liked the lightsaber stuff like that was definitely enough for me to be like every time I saw a chest I was like please be a fucking lightsaber part

I just want to even know what this could look like especially once you start getting them and realizing what the names are yeah yeah like I was looking for power control I really I really like this emitter I want to know what it's handle looks like or I want to know whatever it's like you want to come you made me care about collectibles that's awesome and you also made me not care about ponchos which sucks because like that should have been something that I was stoked about but it was pretty clear a couple hours in where I'm I'm like, oh, man, I'm not getting another jacket. Why can't you sit in the cockplay chair until they let you? Because it goes back to the timing thing. I feel like they're trying to make it feel like things take time to get to the place, which I half appreciate it and I half feel is at odds with other elements of the game. It's a distracting way, just in a way that's like, I feel like that promotes you checking the ship out.

Yeah, exactly. But I want to be there because they're talking while I'm doing that. Like they're having a conversation about the lore of the place I'm going. So I can't like walk somewhere else while they're doing that. I mean, the easy answer is it's loading, and so they want you to have the freedom to move around while it's loading. And then when it's not loading anymore, they say you can get in the chair. But I believe. Just let me be in the chair whenever I want.

Yeah, but then there's nothing to do. I do wish the, like, the PA system picked up their conversation instead of it getting quiet and quiet. That would be cool. Because it's like, I want to change my lights here, but I do want to hear this conversation. And then I don't want to have to wait extra time. Yeah. Like, I agree with that, by the way. Like, sometimes I'd accidentally even walk just a little too close the doors.

Sorry, need a minute. We'll talk about that later. Like, no. Yeah, we'll talk about. I want to keep kidding. I know. I was listening. Yeah, exactly. It's like, oh, well, we landed. I'm going to go out onto the ship. Oh, wait, see, or just said something, and a choice just popped up,

but now I've moved a foot too far, and I'll never get the conversation back. You should have, like, a little hallmarked com speaker, you know, and it's... I can't fucking wait for Jedi Fall and whatever the hell to. Yeah. You know what I mean? I feel like it's going to be such a step above this one of just, like, polished and just care of these little tiny things. Star Wars Jedi, Greasy Money. There we go, man.

So everybody are playing on console? Is that right? Xbox 1X, yeah. PS4 Pro? PS4 Pro. Can I say a few things better? Absolutely. So, yeah, like, I went from being here and being like, oh, wow, this is scratching an inch because I love Metroid Prime, above all.

And Metroid games and the style of just, like, being stripped down to nothing. And you have to earn this and explore. And the wonder of, like, oh, man, like I, you almost know what to do, right, when you see the hanging rope, like you're saying. And you're like, well, I know I can push that over, but I don't have that power. And so the excitement of, like, I can't wait to come back and explore. So because this game does this, I was excited. But yeah, like, almost going back to what Iran was saying, in the beginning, I was like, yeah, like, it was a little flat in terms of combat and stuff.

But I think I intuitively understood. I'm like, yeah, well, I don't have any powers, you know, and I'm waiting to get all this cool stuff. And all I can say, now that I finished it, I think this game is awesome. It is an absolute top contender game of the year for me. I think it's underrated. I think because I played on PC, like, I know we talk about this as somewhat of a joke. Yes, I do.

I think, and here, I'll give you a few reasons. One, I think a lot of people play it on console. And so in that sense, I don't think it's underrated. I think that the technical issues are getting in the way of what they have in front. Oh, man, I don't, I've had technical issues. Those are not the reasons that I have issues. But I think they're taken away from it. I think the other part of it is in addition.

So again, I played at 60 frames. I didn't really encounter technical issues. I encountered design issues, like I said, like where I'm like, freaking camera. God, I slid down this slide. That camera really fucking loves the wall. Yeah, yeah. And I ran into all, well, not like a,

ton, but enough issues to be like it's frustrating. But I think the other reason is this is Star Wars, and it is actually response, and it is the A, and there's a lot of expectation for what this could be, like you just said. And I think we all go down that road. We all wait for the moment when breath, like we get Skyward sword, and

we're like, yeah, like, it's Zelda, it's all right, it's good, and then you finally get breath of the wild, and you're like, that's, that's what we needed, you know, and anyway, what I'm getting at is, I agree with you that, Star Wars Jedi 2, fall, whatever it is, Star Wars Jedi, Star Wars, Jedi too. It's weird to say that because I feel like

it needs the colon now. Just call it the sequel. The sequel, Fallen Order. That sounds nice. I like that. The sequel, the Fallen Order, I think could be amazing. We might not get a sequel, honestly. It runs out the... I think they're absolutely six months into making the next one. I think the game has all of the awesome things. It brought

everything together that I love in gaming. So, anyway, I'm taking a step back. By the time I got to the end, it had all my stuff. I had a couple moments that I feel like I have not had in gaming in a while. I was like, let's go. Holy cow. Like an actual sense of like elation. And it is because, and it's while of Metroid Prime. Like when I played Metroid Prime, I could not believe the curve of progression. It was so smooth.

Like you start off with like nothing and you're a bounty hunter with nothing. It's funny how similar this is. You scan stuff and walk around. And little by little you get these new things. And my personal excitement, because again, I geek out over games like this, as you can tell. By the time I got to the top end of the curve, I was giddy of like, I was like, let's go. Like, I was just like so excited to have the moves and the upgrades. Now, of course, there's things that I would change and want more of.

But again, it gave me something I feel like I haven't had a while. And then, no spoilers, but I literally, for an ending of a game, I have not smiled and had this level of things. I'm not even kidding. And you're a story guy either. I was streaming and I actually might zoom in like no sound on my face. Like I could not control the smile on my face. of the way that I felt. They did it, man. It's Star Wars as fuck.

Exactly. Good Star Wars. And that was it. And I'm not even like a, I mean, I'm a Star Wars fan because it's in my blood from being a kid. And so even when I saw the New Rise of Skywalker trailer, I was like, okay, like this is kind of sentimental to me. Like the never mind like all the gaffes of what happened in the Star Wars universe that we look on and we're like, yeah, it could be better. I was just so excited that this is coming to an end and it meant something to me. But anyway, in the game, the gameplay itself, though, too, never mind the story, the story parts were all. at the end, but just the gameplay, the battles with these enemies, they, you get into these moments where it's all just kind of like cinematic blocking, and they change the structure

of like, when you're fighting regular enemies, like, you can get hit pretty hard. Like, yeah, that's what's funny about is you get hit with like a laser from a droid on Grand Master, by the way, and it's like, like, 70% of your health, you're like, hmm, I hate this at times. But when you get into these battles with some of these bosses and it's like, you can do all these cool moves and you can do all this cool stuff and I was flipping out at how good it felt. And I also, that's where I get into the unerated part. Never mind for me, they brought together all these pieces of games that I love.

And I think that, yeah, the sequel is going to be a banger. Not announced yet, by the way, but I just really strongly believe based on how good this is it'll get there. But they brought all these amazing things together. But then, again, you look at combat like this and how good those fights. I personally think how good those fights feel the bosses. and I don't know what Star Wars game has done it this well at all. And I think it deserves more credit for all those things coming together despite some of those technical issues. Yeah, I think I'm that weird.

I love it. I'm the transitionary phase where the game is now expecting more of me and I don't know yet that I'm capable of that quite or at this current moment. Because it's like it's a situation where, okay, there's 15 stormtroopers. I fought a bunch of stormtroopers already. But this one's hard because I'm trying to fight one while my three are shooting me in the background. And it's so frustrating. Yeah. It's like, okay, I just died to a.

set of people I should not be able to are not should not have died to yeah and it's like that's the part where it's frustrating me but hearing you and kevin say that like it gets way better after that part yeah it does and I would hope on story mode that it makes it a lot easier I will say that ironically I think the combat is some of the like those moments the um not the boss stuff all the like littering you know littering the landscape with enemies here and there is some of the weaker parts it's not bad or anything but it can be sort of annoying and frustrating the design and I think there's, when you look at the difference in it, boss design versus what happens out there. I'm like, I'm trying to just kill this dumb stormtrooper.

And frankly, I actually want to get into a parry fight, but this dumb laser droid is shooting at me, and it will not shut up. And so I get caught in this like, okay, you want me to use my powers, but this guy's being annoying. And it actually takes away from the enjoyment of those. And actually, for me, was some of the weakest parts. And on Grand Master, by the way, what I can say is bosses and stuff I thought were great. one of the bosses was really difficult. One of the more mysterious bosses, you guys know who I'm talking about.

It was really tough, but it was enjoyable. But I was getting at with regular enemies. They really ramp up the AI, like, all of a sudden. And then there's a few moments in the game, but they just throw a ton of enemies at you. And frankly, it's annoying on Grandmaster. So. The security droids are so funny to me where it's, I mean,

they're the big floating ones with the... The K-2S0 from Rogue One. Oh, the ones that just like... zip around. They don't even hurt you, do they? The ones that grab you? No, the bipedal ones that grab you. These are the ones at Humber. No, no. No, no. They're on two legs. Oh, the big robots.

I'm not Star Wars lore guy. Everybody in chat's like, it's so funny because it's like they have their own unique challenge that they have and if they grab you, you're in the animation or whatever. But my God, the pre-canned animation when you kill them? Yeah. It's like, why are they so sad?

Like, they're like, they're like, you're like, fucking come in half? And I'm just like, I don't know what I like that, man. I feel too died. It's really graphic. It really is. I enjoyed the mix-up. There was definitely mobs that could have done with that.

There's the one in particular where, I mean, towards the end. Not even, well, I guess more towards the middle, I think, where you have to come out and you eventually have to shoot you. It ends with another AT-A-T getting dropped in. That was one of those. Where I was like, that was like the fifth time around. I was like, fucking God damn it.

And it was like, I knew in the middle of the fight because there's dudes with flamethrowers. If I didn't take them out right away, I would drop. Yeah, that one could like, the timing can get real bad on you because that ATAT will just drop at some point. You don't have to like kill enough enemies. You're not spawning him. Yeah, so like there was a point where I was dealing with that droid and the enemy shooting from above and the AT80 at the same time.

That exact. This is my example. It's like, just give us the ATAT and design that to be the fight. Right. And that's it. Because when I get to that ATAT, I'm out of force power because like I haven't, I had to use it on everything else at that point. And I think those are the refinements, hopefully we would see in a sequel. Because again, I feel like they were like, let's do this.

the ATA team. And then they're like, and we'll put a few enemies here and there. What do you guys think? And they're like, all right, we're focused on boss designs. You know, outside. I think that's the one for me that stands out as a problem. The rest where it was that I was trying to fight like a, you know, a guard. What do they call them? The inquisitors, but like the guys, they were all

in black with the purple dudes. Well, any of these guys, they all have a tie, a bracket. I forgot their name, but the ones that are just hunting the Jedi. The perjurers. The purse troopers. Thank you. Like, when I'd have to take out some you know, mealy-mouthed stormtrooper around him, I was fine with it. But I, to your

point of like I you know I talked about it last week that I adore this game and it is because of the moments and the payoffs and the way it all comes and especially I think the way that the game does make you feel like you are not a Jedi for so long except for the moment when you become a Jedi and it makes sense of the story like you know I mean it was awesome this weekend to see post art it and first off be blown away he was just like we couldn't believe what he's saying what he's playing that first hour is great and then you know he went did something or we went out and then when we came back I was like I'm going to just grind stuff you know what I mean

and so for him to see now my thing and like have that you know the beginning of the game versus the end of the game Cal it was like oh man like I forgot how far we've come really because I'm just like fucking decimating everything it feels so good so you say that you adore the game but you guessed it'd get an 81 is that I understand you're not be guessing on your score but where would you

I know we don't score stuff but are you on a higher part of the scale I'd be higher than 81 for sure yeah but it's the same it's the same thing that I think I would get hung up on right where I like far and away Star Wars Jedi Faluner is my game of the year like a week removed far away. Yeah, like I just It's way up there for me. I just gotta decide. Me too. I'm 50-50 on.

And so it's so hard to, it's fun to be us and just be able to talk about games and whatever and there's no right or wrong. If I was sitting at IGN reviewing it, it would be that struggle internally of like, I love everything this game does, but it fucks up these things. Can you pass these things? What do you give credit for?

Oh, but the story and then... Do the glitches take away? Grab this rope. Why am I jumping on a thing and still having the head L2? Why have it alone? Why am I floating off the grass? Can you give you a 10 point range where this sits for you as someone who's finished the game now?

I mean, I would be high 80s for sure. I mean, I think that's fair. I think when you get to 9 is when you're like, I feel like that. I mean, I feel like I love it as a 9 plus,

but I don't think as an objective reviewer. If I'm sitting there talking about the, you know, the brass tacks of the game and what is broken legitimately and what are bad design decisions legitimately. Yeah. Yeah,

that's when it gets in that thing of like I wouldn't be, my review would be glowing and I'd be like, But I had all these problems, which is why it brings it down here. Because what, 9 is outstanding? So, Elijah, wasn't that the day? It's fun that I can't remember that anymore.

Amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. Yeah, yeah. But as, like, a Star Wars fan, I'm so happy there's, like, a good Star Wars fan. Oh, my God.

As a Star Wars fan, I think this is a 10. Honestly. Yeah. As a game, I would say it's probably somewhere around the 8-5 range. Yeah, I agree with that. And that, like, towards that, like, the Star Wars'ness of it kind of pushes it forward for me. Like, higher up than it should probably. Totally.

I mean, here's a thing higher than it should be, but I don't know that's true. Yeah, that's not a bad thing. They nailed the experience in video game form. So it's like, I give credit to that. And so many people have tried and fail. If I had to give a score, I'd probably give it a 8.9. So, like, not, I feel like nine's a little too high. Eighty-nine.

Yeah. Would you say? That was my guess for Metacritic. There you go. Yeah. Well, Metacritic, though, that's hard. No, no, I know. I understand the average of, like, everybody.

And I would actually wonder if everybody finished it. I kind of wonder if some people gave up on some of those scores. But anyway, that's what I was getting. I feel like this game is, and I guess I didn't say it on the show yet. I said it to you guys, but it is about the sum of all parts for me. And I go through this with a lot of different games.

Like, Destrani is the same way. I'm like, these menus are going to drive me up the wall. And I love this game, Des Dranee, for a lot of reasons. And this game has that. It's got technical issues. I was lucky to play on PC, though, I really now hearing about some of these issues, I'm like, holy cow, loading, taking that long?

It's awful. And I'm not even consistent. Like sometimes it'll take like 10 seconds, sometimes it'll take 50. It's crazy to me. So it's really unfortunate. I hope that they bring out a next gen, you know, port next year, ultimate editions, whatever, you know, some of this in-between time. And maybe that version. I just hope they fix it like over the next couple of months.

Yeah, that's true. That too. Yeah. But looking at meaning, I want to see all, everything running at 60 frames plus and just working. It's never going to happen. And then, you know, we'll mostly just have to deal with the camera stuff and some of those things, hopefully. the actual problem. Do we think they'll really do that?

That they'll patch that. They'll patch some things. I imagine some of those things. Again, I don't think that those things are real issues. They would knock it down in terms of like how perfect is this game, but like it did not get in the way

of my enjoyment at all. I just think that the amount of loading. So it's like, I don't think any patches are going to fix that. It's just the design of the game of where loads happen. Like that's what's inconvenient. I do think this game came out too early.

Like it should, as if it came out on March it, I think it would have been like a banger. But obviously, they could have smoothed it out. You can't. like there are some licenses, and we'll talk about one of those later, that just have to come out when they come out,

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The name's changed probably for a reason, but it used to start with Switch and it doesn't anymore. But it's now called the Fixture S-1. Kevin, can you bring this up? There's Indiegogo. We've talked about it before. And we use this thing all the time. Yeah, we've talked about this a ton, right? Yeah.

Every time you see me put up a plane photo, I have my switch in it, and everybody's always like, what is it, where is it? So essentially, you can see here, Kev, if you could now pump to me real quick. You just put your pro controller in here. You put your switch right in there, and it's super versatile. Now, here's the thing. There's now version two of this, right? So this is the, you can get the Founders Edition,

if you go to Indigo go right now. We've been using like the V1 and there's a bunch of different differences. The key difference though is you can now charge your switch while using it. Oh nice. Just because of where the holes fall and stuff. And this thing is legitimately awesome. I love it. You can use it as a stand.

I love it. You can charge your controller, right? Yeah. Yeah. So you can check it out now. $28 for the production model or if you go down, you can get the Founders Edition for a bit more. You can also get your name engraved on it and stuff. Like right here it just says Founders Edition.

He made me a custom blue one. I don't know if he'll do that for you. If you asked nicely. Maybe you will. Anyway, he sent us the new ones. I want to show them off again because they're legitimately freaking off. So it's like this, but for a switch, basically. Yes. And it's the fact that it has, like, it's built ready for the switch to just slip in.

And it's super good about the angles it can get. Yeah, you can get all sorts of angles. Yeah, you can get all the camera over the controller where it's, like, not too high. Something I like is, I'm here, if you're an audio listener, I have the clip for the Xbox controller, right? And like, the range of motion on this is so limited compared to that. Not to mention, now you can with the Xbox one, but not with, or not comfortably, at least with the stadium.

Yeah, I was trying to adjust his math. You can, uh, what you, the other awesome thing about it is you can pop it, the controller out, leave the switch in, and then it becomes a stand. So like I'll be on an airplane table and I'll set it up that way and then put my controller underneath the table. Yeah, I do that, like, that's such an annoying thing for me. Like on an airplane, I was on the airplane playing Pokemon, uh, last week. And I was trying to just play the game.

I had it set up. So I had the tabletops things with the standout and the two joycons. Guy next thing wants to go to the restroom. It's like, I have to just gather all this shit out. Get all my toys off the table here. It would be actually much nicer to just have, like, one thing. This thing's great, man. I'm sure I'll send you one.

If not, you can go check out the Indiegogo for the fixture S-1. It's very awesome. But you were talking about Pokemon. I was talking about your thoughts on Pokemon, man. Because here's my thing. Greg and I are about to get on a flight in hours to go to London. What? That's why he's looking at his watch nervously.

Not be careful. And I've been holding off on Pokemon to wait for this flight. And it's been hard because, This one's looking good, and people are raving about it. Have you played yet? No, no, no, I just mean... Okay. For you to do it all on the plane is going to be so nice.

I'm stoked. But, Imron, you've been playing. I have just finished the second gym, and I'm in, like, the area right after that. This... I am enjoying this game quite a bit. As a Pokemon game, it is making a number of improvements that are quality of life, graphical, all that stuff. Like, it is in every way the next Pokemon generation in a way I wanted it to be.

That's awesome. I'll have a quick question on that. You better be curious. Before we get to it in the butt here, Imran, looking back on the last couple generations, have you played all of them? I have played all of them, yes. How did you feel about Sun and Moon?

Sun and Moon was fine. I didn't like X and Y, so Sun and Moon became like a return to form. It's like, okay, they're finally getting what the Pokemon destroying was getting a little stale, so they want to change the stuff around on it. And I appreciate that a lot. I feel like Sun and Moon really made a lot of choices

to kind of differentiate it from the previous games, at least in terms of structure and story. I don't think all the different extensions worked. No, I don't either. But with Sun and Sword, sorry, sword and shield so far, is it that style of what you're talking about about they're making the right changes? For the most part, yes.

Like, the big thing this generation is, like, so they wanted a bigger more, I guess, cinematic thing around your journey, not certainly a bigger story. But like, they're making it more of a, because this game is said in ostensibly like Pokemon England, which is the Gilar region. Oh, I got now!

We're going there with this. It's going to be great. But, like, so it's a more like, focus on a football kind of thing of what if there was just in a region that was so totally obsess of the celebrity of the sport of it? And that's what this game is basically about.

So they mostly focus the mechanical stuff around quality of life improvements. So, for example, like, you don't have to go to a Pokemon center to change out Pokemon anymore. If you just want to like, hey, I just caught this, I don't fucking know, a chudel. Like, in

a cave, like, I want to use this in my team because this is a cave full of, like, monster so like I want to water Pokemon. Like just you can just change it out. Like I have a full team but I'll just change this guy out for this one. And then that's it. You don't have to run back to the Pokemon Center for every little thing that you can see Pokemon on the map now. You can, uh, most trainers are like very easy to figure out when you're about to get in their eye range and then like they actually will challenge you when you're in their range. So like there's a little silhouating when you like when you're about to approach them.

So it's stuff like that. It is a much more convenient Pokemon game. The problem, I think. There it is. But. Once, so, I didn't realize until now how much of Pokemon's challenge was laid in inconvenience.

That, like, for example, like, every four trainers on the dot, you will run into somebody who will heal your Pokemon. Four trainers, another,

than somebody, and you don't always have a choice about it. Sometimes they go into a cutscene, and someone that cutscene will just say, hey, let me heal your Pokemon while you're here. So it means that, like, certain things of like, okay, well, I don't have to the tedium of going back to the Pokemon Center

is gone. I don't have to run back all the way there just to heal back to make a little trip back there. But on the other hand, it doesn't mean, it means I don't have to care as much anymore. How do they heal? What does that even mean? They just, like, hey, I have items to heal your Pokemon, so let's heal them out. And you just have, what? Yeah, it's just like, do-to-do,

then done. Or like, hey, we're running a mobile Pokemon center outside this thing, and they're just like, window is black, then your Pokemon's healed. Like, there's, for example, in right after the first city, there's like a small mine. It's maybe like four screens. It's not long at all. But on each side of that mine is somebody who will heal your Pokemon. So I can just go in there, do whatever the fuck I want. I don't have to think that hard about tight matchups or which Pokemon's weaker or any of that stuff.

You never did. I mean, you never really do. To make it easier, that sounds. Well, you never did. This is a butt that I'm not liking Greg Miller. And you usually love butts. I love butts. You never do in a vacuum. But like in a gontlet of different Pokemon trainers and catching Pokemon. You had to worry about it a little bit like... Every once in a while. It's like you'd be going through Mountain Moon, then all of a sudden you face some poison shit.

You get poisoned. You're like, I'm fucked. Yeah, and you should have had items with you, and like that preparedness was the difficulty, and now it's not, because you have people that are willing to heal you just wherever you go. So that's kind of, like, as you start going deeper into this game, it's like, okay, I understand why you did that, like experience shares another good example.

You have, now no matter what you do, it's not a toggle, no matter what, all of your Pokemon will get, some experience when you battle. On the other hand, it means before I got to the first gym, I had a team of very evolved Pokemon who were a lot fucking stronger than the gym.

So now I'm like paranoid whenever I go anywhere. I'm like, I could battle these things, but I want to, I don't want the next gym to be a cakewalk. So should I... Yeah, should I bother doing this? Like, do I have to... Grand Master, Grandin' Master level, man? Do I have to keep like trading my Pokemon

in and out? Like, do I not get a consistent team to like, you know, bond with over the course of a game because they got too strong or like my sobble which is the starter I chose that like water Pokemon is crying like I chose that evolved before I got

to the first gym so most likely on this pace it will probably evolve well before like the sixth gym I get to that wait hold on you were in your second form by the first gym yes before the first gym Jesus and so like once I get there the pacing feels off to me now

because for me a Pokemon game has always been I'm making this journey with this starter Pokemon we're going through and all our we're all growing together we're growing as a trainer and a Pokemon team and then by the time I get to like the seventh or eighth gym I have a stronger like a fully evolved Pokemon now like it has grown as with me as a trainer now it's like it's just gonna kind of grow on while in the background of like whether I use in battle or not do you think maybe this is you kind of putting in what your prior experiences have been and yes so but like do you think that there's a chance that maybe this game

turns out to be a bit different of a structure that will allow for some type of different type of bonding? I think so. I think what they want you to do is like go into the wild area which is a larger, I don't want to say Breath of the Wild style, but like a big open world thing that is like you can see other people who are online you can go camp with them, interact with them

and they're like larger You can do this? You can do that. I didn't realize that. You can find strong Pokemon there. You can't always catch them because you're limited by what your gym badge is, but you can find strong Pokemon. So I think they want you to constantly change your team out. I don't play that way, so that kind of bothers me. I think what the game is doing is,

we know you've played the same game for the last seven generations. Why don't we try doing it something different? And I don't like the different way it is. That said, I'm still enjoying the game on its merits of like, okay, it's still a Pokemon game. I'm still going to new areas. I'm still finding most... A lot of new Pokemon.

There's too many old Pokemon for my taste. But granted, my favorite generation was Generation 5 with black and white, where there were only new Pokemon. So I love playing it that way. But it's still that thing of like, oh, I get to go through here and I see a Pikachu in the grass. I'm going to go catch that Pikachu. Or I see these interesting trainers that are kind of like funny. On the other hand, like, there are also not enough.

There's some cut corners in places I don't think there should be. Like early on you meet Team Yell, who are their football fans, basically, but for a civic trainer. So they're just jerk to you because you're against that trainer as well. And you fight four of them. Two are one guy, one girl. And then it's the same guy and girl again, but they're different people. So it's like you couldn't come four different models for this?

Like why did you put two cuts in with this? And you fight them in a hotel and it's just a white void in the actual battle arena. It's like, why is it? It's a 3D environment. Just put the 3D environment around here, size it up a little bit. it. Some of the jims are just green voids or white blue voids or whatever. You know by the story

I'm going to have to go through it. Yes, we are and it's ridiculous that this is a license that is bigger than call of duty. Why are the 3D environments I'm not battling in? The ultimate of Nintendo questions. Yeah. We have all this money. Why didn't they? If I could just say that about everything. Perfect question. This was, I didn't play any of it.

I've only dabbled in Pokemon. I never really have made the time, I would say, but I know that I would I would enjoy it and I played Let's Go. And it was fun, casual Pokemon, I guess. So what I was wondering is, is folks have grown up. You guys literally have grown up with Pokemon. I saw a lot of commentary about, you know, where's the Pokemon for adults? Do we feel like...

This is a Pokemon for adults. Is it? Because some folks are, there's the commentary I'm hearing, and do you think this is where we're at. Pokemon is still kind of for kids, right? And it wants to have a learning curve that's doable, not too easy, but also not crazy. or so call it for adult gamers. And this seemed very easy to a lot of folks that I follow on Twitter.

And they were like, can I have like a more complex Pokemon? Remove challenge from the equation. And I think this is totally what the Pokemon for adults because this is the game that's, we know you're tired of playing the last eight gens. We know you're 30 years old. You don't have that much time anymore.

So let's do this experience. I thought you've been time in your life. You're going to die soon. Honestly, why not? Like that same thing. Oh, you mean time in the game. I actually thought you meant like you have babies to take care of or something. No, that's what I mean.

You know, you do need that. Like, it is, he interpreted this time. These are all convenience things. Like, these are all things of like, we know you don't want to do all. You know, you're too old for random encounters. You don't have time to play games with those anymore. But kids have no attention spent so I could just say, well, it's for them too. So where's the...

We had a... Kids today are not that different from when we were kids. And we had the same problem. Absolutely. I don't want to do. say that, but meaning, you know, when, frankly, a game, like deep RPGs, like, wow, Diablo, like, you can't just throw kids into something like that, I would say. They can handle it, I think, once they're, like, 10 or 12 or whatever the age is that you really get into, like,

deep mechanics. But, I mean, that was my question. Do you guys feel like the mechanics are deep enough? Or, like, is it literally a structure change here that might be the problem? Or is the game itself ready for more? Like, Breath of the Wild got, I'd say, deeper. You know, that's not a game just for any old kid and Zelda fans. It takes some depth. That is the problem I think with Pokemon is that there have been so many reinventions of major franchises

in the last couple of years, like Breath of the Wild and like Mario Odyssey, that have been like, we're going to kind of upend what people think and we're going to make a game that is for those people who have been playing this game for a long time and want to try something different. And Pokemon is not that. It is still an incremental improvement for

a game series that is long past incremental improvements. They didn't do that. They did not revolutionize it. What they did is they made it a lot more convenient. They did not evolve it. It's what you did there. Yeah. I like it. So it's interesting that you're saying that you think this is the game for adults, the Pokemon game.

And I get what you're meaning in terms of like the structure changes and stuff. But there's one thing Andy told me that is not spoilery. That really turns me off to that idea of this being the adult one because I'm like, you're telling me the rival still kind of sucks and it's just way

too nice and is not really your rival. The rival does suck. His name is Hop, and it is very disappointing for me that we finally have a Pokemon game where this is a very personal thing of there's an Indian or a brown main character, and that's Hop. It's, he, early on, he is such an asshole. Not even an asshole. He's like, he's very like, oh, my brother's the champion. So every dialogue choice, or not dialogue choice, dialogue, speaking you have with him, he says, like, my legend begins here, and we're going to do well. And, like, he keeps throwing the same three Pokemon at you and keeps being surprised that you're to use. a water Pokemon and his fire Pokemon it's like shut the fuck up hop like they kill the pacing too of him constantly just explaining the world to you and all that stuff like you're a fish out of water which you're not

but I've heard that he gets better as the game goes on I really hope because that to me I feel like is really it sets the tone for the adventure that you're on where I feel like Pokemon like everyone talks about like the G-Wonters where it's like oh you're just nostalgic for what you originally played and stuff but it's like for me I feel like golden silver the second gen being

a direct sequel to red and blue, your rival was a bad person. Like in the first game, it was cool where he was like kind of, you're like a brat, but like in golden silver, they were straight up like a thief. They were like a bad person. They kept fucking things over as you're going through.

And Team Rocket being there, doing some real evil shit. And I feel like they just totally more and more got away from it. And some of the teams got into this like intergalactic, like weird ass stuff that could end the world. So sure, that's bad. It's definitely not that.

this time. Now they're just football fans. Which is cool. But to me, it's like all of that sounds rad and so great. But then it's like your rival should be... So you do run into a guy occasionally named Bede. I think it's a guy that is like he was sponsored by the actual like corporate leader who's in charge of the Pokemon League in Gilar

who might be evil. I don't know where the game is going with this because if he's not evil then it's a really fucking weird pro-corporate message this game has. But he, the Bid is an asshole to you in a way that almost. makes no sense. I just want you to treat me like shit, man. I just want me to like want me to, like, I don't want when I beat you to be like, oh, shucks, man. No, he's not like that. How'd you do it? He's like, he's like, he'll never beat me, which is weird because I've

beaten you two whites already. Why the fuck are you like this? But yeah, well, not hot. This is bead. Hobb is like, oh, well, we both got, hop is like questioning of it. Like, hey, we're both, we both have two badges. Why the hell did you beat me again? Like, why am I not good enough? I'm hoping like it kind of like goes to the heel turn. Wow. I want to turn for sure Yeah We'll see We'll see man

Bloody lunch I don't have too many expectations for this game It's an enjoyable game But it's been the same For the last couple jams of Pokemon It's like I was most excited Going into black and white Because we knew they were new

We knew who was gonna be all this is like All right cool Pikachu gets big Here's another Here's another mechanic That they're not gonna bring back In the next game Right and I'm not like

It's a cool effect I'm not sure I like it that much Because it's like they change all the moves So it's like Oh wow I made this really like decent thing of, I like these moves for what they do. And it's like, oh, I'll just throw a strategy away for three turns and you use the

strongest move you can on the other enemy. It's like, okay, well, that was neat that I would have liked a actual hard gym battle. So we're definitely going to talk more about Pokemon's sword and shield in the coming weeks. What's your prediction? The Eclipse with me? I think this is my Pokemon. I don't know. It's very

helpful, I think, that it's just like, all right, cool, we got 12 hours on a plane. Yeah, no, I think the timing's right for it, for sure. But, yeah, we'll see. We definitely will see. Plus you're going to England at when playing a game. It feels right. It's about, yeah. Let's go. You want a fish and chip, Pikachu,

do you? Fish and chippery. But Greg, before we go, I do want to talk about Stadia and X cloud. The streaming future is here, Tim. I have them all in front of me. All of them. Because I did remote play test today, too, just to make sure because I know you're going to come in, you're going to say, give me the dirt. Got this. Got you.

What do you want to know, Tim? I want to know a lot. I want to know. So let's start with Google Stadium. I feel like that's the one that is most widely available. Just launched. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Founders Edition. Exactly. Yeah, my Founders Edition then launched on Tuesday, got here today on Thursday.

You know what? I see you forget that. I want to do, give me your pro and con of all three. Oh, wow. One pro, one con, con that are the overalls. We should have a show called Pro and Con. Okay, cool. So I might probably hear you does.

Well, now we'll have it. Kind of funny pro and then we'll have it. We just spelled Con K-H-H-N. Oh. Oh. Yeah, I think you're talking about, like, con, like, CON. So we're going to need, like, Afredo pro gamer, my brother. Yeah, I get it.

Yeah, I got it. Okay, so then, grid call. Quick shot, you got a flight to catch you. I'm worried about it now. We're fine on time. Don't worry about it. So the pro on Google Stadia. It works. I think that's the thing.

Well, I mean, like, no, like, we've gone to this thing, and everybody has been the question of, like, what is all this going to be, and how is it going to work, and will it work, and yady, yady. Google Stadium works. I don't think it's as advertised in a lot of different things. I think there's a long road ahead of it on a million different things as well. What's going on?

Do you have to plug this thing into the phone? You do. Is that the only way the controller works? If you were not aware that the Google Stadia controller is currently only wireless when it's used with Chromecast. Everywhere else it needs to be directly plugged into. This is what I'm talking about, a long road for Google Stadia, right?

Yeah, but it works. It would be the pro there, right, in terms of screen-to-screen. Fran, you played on, we had Destiny. going back there. You play a little on the computer. Then we disconnected it. We put the phone on it. You were playing on the phone. You picked up where you left off. It's not a bad control. The D-PAD is not great. Yeah, well, that's going around these years.

But it is working. Yeah. The con is everything else. What a disaster of a launch. What a disaster of a launch and not having your features ready and not having your messaging ready and pissing off your core fan base and seeing the Stadia, Reddit turn on itself. God, the fact that on launch day, I got my founders code finally at like two in the afternoon. Thursday we got the device. You still don't have anything, right? Nope. Shipped. But you got your code, right?

Nope. It shipped from Mountain View. Why is it taking so? Do you even get your code? I don't know how deep... The short of it is, I did order on my own, you know, my own... In September, my Founders Edition, and it just wasn't on the way. I also reached out as a member of the press to try to look for a solution, and nothing really has come up there. But...

Deoretically, shouldn't they just have unlimited codes to give you? Yeah, theoretically. Yeah, but from... Theoretically, when you got charged, they should have sent you your code. Let me at least say this. From a consumer standpoint, the launch is absurd to me that for a cloud product,

yeah, you couldn't at least just send me a code that if I wanted to try it on my PC and log into my account, I could do that. And the fact that it were... It's a total tire fire from my perspective. 100%. It's insane to me that they're like, this is the future.

It's in the cloud. Google, that's all they do is make apps in the cloud. That's all I needed. And like, I bought it months ahead of time. and you have a fulfillment problem, it's crazy. So putting that aside, because I don't know,

maybe they want you to have the controller and they're just not ready, but I'm super upset about that. I think of the answer is they don't fuck to do it. Very much looking forward to using the service in optimal environment, so I couldn't even review it. What's crazy is like they should,

like they've rolled out other products. That's what I'm, it's absurd. Lots of other products that work well. Remember it too, like the team they built for Google Stadium is a bunch of people who've worked in games before.

If Bill Harrison, knows what he's doing. He knows how a launch product. He's actually, I don't think he's had any responses. I don't think he's had any responses to me. It's something major is going on internally that they totally scuffed launch. Yeah. Putting that aside, it does work.

So this is the pros and count for that. Not a way to win over game fans by it. X cloud, I mean, the pro is that it's Xbox. It's just in beta, right? Yeah, the con for, I think it's easier with Xcloud. The con is the fact that, yeah, it's beta and it's not available to everybody. Yeah. The pro is that it's so fucking impressive.

like it is like if this had everything going right now then yeah that would be a game changer in terms of me wanting like for this England trip of like shit do I bring it because maybe I want to play some borderlands 3 like if it was all working right now does it's not bad it's 50 games it doesn't have at borderlands 3 does it support every game that you have not yet that's in 2020 okay but it will at so 19 were in 2020 it'll support your library your personal library and it'll support game pass okay it's just crazy yeah and that like that's a killer app like Honestly. That's what's so interesting and weird. We've been talking about this race between Stadia and X-Cloud for so long, and now that we're actually out of the gate on Stadia, but with X-Cloud making its promises the days before the actual real launch and review embargo,

they have out-maneuvered out-foxed Stadia on every aspect so far. Now, again, you asked me about performance before we came on and stuff, and I was like, I'll get on there, right? It's such a crapshoot because of the different scenarios, and I don't know, what were we, what were our ups and downs at that moment, right? Stady I've had plenty of games Chug get framey Destiny feels super laggy

Again this is not apples Because Destiny I'm playing a multiplayer game So it's not a single player experience or anything like that right NetCode as well as the X cloud I've not had that at the same spot At my same desk going from between them What games are you playing on it? On X cloud I've played gear I started Gears 5 finally

And I was like shit this feels awesome And then I wanted to do another first person shooter So I did Borderlands 2 on it And Borderlands 2 I thought ran phenomenally. That's where I had that real gut check moment of like, fuck, like if this had Borderlands 3

and Borderlands 3 ran like this, it would have been that thing. Like I could see all the dominoes in my head of like, I should have fucking started on Xbox instead of PlayStation. I should have, but we're not there. So I don't have to worry about that. Yeah, you know what I mean?

And so anyways, though. But drinking the Kool-Aid then right on X-Cloud and how well Borderlands was running is when I popped up the PlayStation controller, busted my iPad out of my travel bag and put it up and got on remote play to play it back at my house because that's always the thing of whenever I talk about how I'm excited about streaming.

People are always like, you have it right now with my remote plan. I'm always like, yeah, but the connection and the fact that it's my Wi-Fi to the satellite and the sky to my home's Wi-Fi, to my local place. Is that not what the Xbox one is then? Like, I assumed it was using your Xbox. No, X-Cloud is just talking to an Xbox in the sky. I'm cloud streaming the same way. Same stadia, but it's X-Clax.

So in the future, when it does use your library, that will be using your Xbox, though, right? No. No, it's all- You have that option for local play, but when you do it, no, it's. up in there. Okay. That's interesting. If I'm, forget, they also remember, that's why it's confusing. They said you will be able to use your Xbox as a server in the future if you want. Yeah. But that's like if you're having the problems in the

sky. Okay. Yeah. But right now no, right now, it's all in the sky. What I'm talking, like again, like X cloud is the real fucking deal. Oh, who doesn't know Azure? X cloud is the real fucking deal so far. And again, this is what we go back to do with Stadia. Like, why did you say beta? Why didn't you say early access? Yeah, thank you.

X cloud is also, you know, it's beta. It's early access. So there's not as many people on there's a bunch of different things I did try to start state of decay and it totally was like okay cool and jumped in and boom boom and then just like stayed on the screen forever and crashed so I'm not saying like oh my god it's perfect

and everything's fine I'm running into those issues but like I'm already so much more confident in this than I am at that and it's a beta look at the difference in expectation totally you know it was the first thing I said I'm like I get for a marketing reason why you're calling it a founder's edition but wow that really blew up in your face now if you had just

called it a beta I would have been like okay early access beta, like I would have actually excused a lot of this. Pros and cons, though, for remote play, though, because I jumped over a remote play, right? The con, of course, or the pro for remote play is that it's already there. It's already going. It's already on a million different devices, right? Because it's already PCs, it's already Macs. It's already iOS. I couldn't do Xclad because they only supported Android for the beta.

Right. And that's the whole thing of like there's all these different things going on, whereas PlayStation is, this is a thing that's out now and you get into it. The con is, again, sitting there in the same place I was running XCloud, where I was playing Borderlands 2, booting up the point. PlayStation 4 from home and it worked and I got in there playing Borderlands 3 on it there was more artifacting there was more lag again totally it was playable like if I needed a fix of borderlands it was ready to go but whereas X cloud Borderlands 2 again different game felt this feels like borderlands 2 right maybe with a you know like you know how it is 40 you feel it but it's not

like it's killing me borderlands 3 was like okay this is the lesser experience and like do I want to toss the controller in my bag and let's even say the hotel internet was doing as well as ours Would I have had that same experience? Would it be, you know, Mallow one takedown drop today? I want to play that, but I don't want to play that in less than ideal way. Like, I don't want to do that kind of thing. Whereas XCloud, I think I'd have a shot at that actually working. I think remote play is, okay, cool, that's fine.

Yeah, but XCloud is the winner today in terms of all the tests I was running. So with that, Malconcent Ronan writes in and says, given XCloud includes Game Pass, which itself includes all first-party titles, does this mean one could reliably sign up for the service and access most of, if not all, scarlet exclusives, without actually buying the console. That doesn't feel like an oversight. Well, there's a lot to that question.

Reliably is a very operative phrase, a word there. Well, wait, though. Isn't he just saying, like, I don't have to buy Scarlet necessarily because I can just play it in the cloud. You're going to get a different looking game because it's not Scarlet in the cloud, just for clarity.

I mean, I don't know what they're running on, but it's the same problem with Stadia. I think people are going to be very surprised that they're like, I'm getting a 4KP, in the cloud with the latest RtX you know 2080 T I'm like no it is not that set they think that because that's what Google tells them

yeah exactly it's not Scarlet in the cloud just for clarity it's servers in the cloud well run a scarlet game and we'll see we'll see I mean when they get there like scarlet well I don't know that I just I think the point is and Tim you talked about this world is we might live in a world where you know like Halo Infinite's coming out

on Xbox 1 as well as that it's like you can play it on either and so right in the middle could be X cloud performance from the cloud, but you get my point. It's not the same. To the long and short of it, though, X-Cloud doesn't include Game Pass. Xbox in 2020 will support Game Pass, so you would already be giving them their money for Game Pass. Right now, if you got into the X-Cod beta, you jump in, there are 50 games there that are free. They want you to test. They want you to play. They want you to do the different stuff on. For me, jumping into State of Decay, a game, or two,

State of K2, a game that I did put a lot of hours into, I jump in and my save is there. It's, it is Xbox. Yeah, exactly. And that's how I think the question was. And so, yeah, so I'm talking in the, you know, I was popping achievements today in Borderlands 2 because I always played on PS3 and PS4. To his question, though, of then when, okay, game pass is here, X Cloud is here, and Scarlet Games start dropping on Game Pass, yes, exactly. That is what Xbox is promising and talking about is that, yeah, you'll be able to play those games on there.

To France point, well, they won't look, I'm sure as good as running them locally, but I won't. I don't think that's, I think that's streaming in general for a long time. Right, but that was my point is like, yeah, they've already said they want you to be, you don't need to own an Xbox to play these games in the cloud, an Xbox one right now. So, yeah, like, that's what we're moving to. I mean, that's just crazy because it's, like,

obviously, it's going to look better when you have it local, but that's like talking about 4K Blu-ray versus 4K streaming on Netflix. That's right. But it's like, but if that's the difference we're talking about? I always read the movies of 24 frames a second normal. I mean, it gives people the option, too, because, like, let's say you do, you do care a lot about how a game looks locally. You can just buy the box.

Yeah. Or, like, you're someone who lives somewhere, like, they've not solved the ISP problem. None of these services have. And that's going to be a problem until ISPs get their shit together of like, how do I do this without running up my entire Comcast spell? And it's that's the thing we've seen with Stadia, right? Where they're

talking about like an hour of using Stadias. How much data? 100s a minute was the last thing I saw, which is... Yeah. Yeah, I'm more in Greg's camp of the... I love. The Domino's start following for the convenience. Just the idea of like, I needed to log in a Sea of Thieves, but by the way, if you're watching live today before November 22nd, you'll log in, get

a gear ship. But like, that's something I always remember when I go to bed, I'm like, ah, if I had the controller and X Cloud sitting next to my bed, holy cow, so cool. And I'd probably end up playing C at these for like 30 minutes. And I'd be gaming in ways that I just wouldn't today because I don't have that. That's what I'm looking forward to. I am not looking forward to setting up my 4K OLED, you know, the latest scarlet game like you're saying and live streaming it without the scarlet because I want the absolute fidelity. You are going to have a scarlet to do that, though. But what about the pose of the world?

Greg's friend Poe. No, no, no, absolutely. I'm just saying that is the point, Tim, right? I want the fidelity, and there's going to be a difference. And I've seen it with Stady, by the way. I think that is the biggest con for me is compressed video. I just think it's crazy that they know that and are still doing this where it's like,

what is the point of buying the console on a grand scale? Well, they don't want you to buy the console, though. Like, the console costs them a lot of money to make and produce and they lose money on the sale. They make a small barge, but you're right. Ultimately, it's... They want you to pay for the games and pay for the services. It's the razor handle and it's the razors.

They want you to buy the razor, which is just the software. Absolutely. Like, it's not going to pull the console from your hands, but if they could get you to buy just all their stuff without buying the expensive box, they'd be fine with that. Yeah, and the point is, with any luck, it opens up 50 million new gamers that wouldn't have touched it otherwise. And that's the difference is you go from a game that sells,

$2 million to games that sell $4 million all of a sudden without the box, and now that's where the bucks are. I mean, it's that, and I think it's the idea that it's a weird niche thing, right? you know, I mean, explaining it to Poe, I don't know. You know what I mean? I don't know if he would ever pull the trigger and jump, right?

But as we... From console or... I mean, jump to like understanding what that is and wanting to do it. You know what I mean? I feel like I pull him into every new generation. Usually I mean, he's more like, I want the box.

No, he's more of just like not paying that close attention to video games. So I think that that's definitely right now with the X-Claughts and beta and there's Xbox Live and there's Xbox Game Pass and whatever. But when you can just get Xbox Game Pass, and it's an app that you just open on your phone

and then there's just a library. games that looks like Netflix and then you just choose one and you click in and you're playing the game I just I mean I think again that you can't undersell that's awesome and that's cool and that's a step right but I do think that if whoever nails this for us the hardcore gamers for the people watching this who are crazy about video games like legit this makes me if this was all running right now I would have be I've played borderlands on this I would have yes that a PlayStation because I would have that is really such a key thing to think about is that Greg Miller would give up trophies to be able to play it on the go. I'm not, I'm not.

That is a hundred percent point of making. That means that it is no longer just an exclusives game of I'm going to PlayStation because I have exclusives or whatever. And so I'm going to play this here. This is back to what I was talking about earlier when Stadia was like, what's going to happen and how are they going to do blah blah? Because I was all like, well, you know,

if cyberpunk was launching on Stadia day and date with the others, there'd be a real conversation. I'm in the fucking X cloud. No, they were fishy about it. Where it's coming, but they didn't say and correct me, you're wrong. I said, if I got this wrong, but I've said it enough and enough shows where somebody would eat my ass by now about it. But it is that thing of, now it is a, okay, I'm in the X-Codd beta. When in 2020 is Microsoft turning the key and saying whatever games you have, you're good to go on?

Because again, that's where it gets, I think, to be, Jedi Fall in Order. I would, like, I want a platinum and I want to do it. If that was on here, I'd be playing it again, and it would be that thing of, all right, cool, I'm just going to explore the maps right now and go get the thing and do the thing. 20 minutes before bed. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Like, I'm straight up watching you play C of these right now.

said it, I've never started to see a thieves. I'm like, I don't log in to get the ship. Well, how do I get it? Is it just going to pop for me? Literally, it just says as long as you play, you'll get, you'll get it delivered to you later. Okay. I think as long as you log in, you get. But this is it. I mean, yeah, it is crazy. I mean, we all know this is where the future's going, so I don't think. There's all the people who don't like that idea and like, yeah. But I don't

think it's, the reason I think Xbox same is why I didn't like that. It's awesome to see it all actually happening. The ball is rolling down the hill finally. Where the reason, you know, I've talked about on so many shows, right, that Xbox has been just building this foundation with all these awesome programs and all these awesome things.

And now we're here and we're watching Google fucking fall out of the cabin and roll down the hill and they don't know what the fuck's going on. And Xbox is literally like this is a pillar of who we are. It's not all of us.

This is not what defines this, right? Like it's a leg on the stool. Like we always talk about when we launched kind of funny we have different revenue models. Like this is the thing that suddenly makes it so much more attractive to me.

For you, this is such a good thing. For you, Tim, right? It was that you love 4K, you love beautiful, visuals, you had the great TV, the great sound, the great thing. That was never what was going to sell me to play more games on Xbox. Being able to take my games with me no matter what to be able to get this

experience where I'm going through and doing the mundane tasks of gaming of logging in and getting the thing and getting back out. Quick sessions without, yeah, having to go all the way back to sit down. Yeah. Streaming as an option I think is probably where this market succeeds because it is not something that is suitable for everyone, whether by preference or just

logistics. But I think like for us in this weird San Francisco video game hardcore bubble of like, Oh, actually, this works out super great. And this makes a whole lot of sense. And actually, it can be a determining factor in what consoles and what services we pick up next time. Yeah. Yeah, instantaneously hopping into games is really cool, too.

But I was going to say, I don't think, as well, many people's storage is getting cheap. Downloading a game, I got no problem with. So same idea. If games pass, if I can download it anywhere. They're going to get bigger. And I don't need to stream it. They are going to get bigger, but so is that. But the thing is, though, the downloads, you know that's coming.

Like, you know that's going to be a functionality. But Stady is not doing that. So if Xbox offers that, again, like, I'd be more than happy to start streaming the game. I'm like, I just want to hop in and check it out. And then maybe while it's downloading, you know, and like, man, what a world that would be too. Right. Like, imagine starting a game. You forgot to buy it launch day.

If XCloud offers this at all, I don't know. But you just start playing because it's just streaming. You're like, cool. And then it's like, oh, you finish downloading 30%. You know, do you want to switch over to your hard drive version or whatever? Well, this was interesting, too. You know, Schreier put out a tweet in all this stadia stuff, right? where I forget it was going back and forth

somebody was talking about Stadia and bagging on it and he brought up how, I forgot how we got there but for PlayStation 5 what he's hearing right is that it's going to be no loads play while you download and download what you want so they basically said that out loud. Yeah and so it's like we're moving like I've

I say this all the time but like the next fucking two years are going to be so this I mean 2020 is going to be fucking awesome of what the fuck is going to happen ending this generation moving to the next generation might be the most interesting moment we've ever had in video games. I had on Half-Life V-HR. It's huge. It's kind of what we were talking about with Pokemon with the idea of the gaming industry for adults is about things getting more convenient

of like, well, I don't want to go out every, like when the game really said, I don't want to fucking go to Best Buy or Twasurer or whatever and pick up a copy of the game. I don't want to wait for it to download. I just want it to exist. I want this like to go fast. I want to just start streaming, whatever. I don't have time for the rigmarole that goes around this bullshit all the time. So I looking forward to seeing what the decision is, because the next step of streaming is not, streaming gets better necessarily.

It's what can you integrate into streaming to make it a better value add? And the stuff like the GamePass stuff, and I'm assuming eventually Sadie is going to have to just go subscription fee. They're going to have. Because they know how bullshit this is right now. Like, that's going to be the stuff

that's interesting to me. Well, ladies and gentlemen, this has been the kind of funny games cast. Great conversation. I'm sure we're going to talk a lot more about this streaming stuff. I can't wait to hear you talk about Pokemon and a few weeks.

I'm stoked about that too. But you can go to Kindofoney.com slash gamescast, you're wrong to let us know if we got anything wrong during this episode. We'll correct it later. But until then, I love you.