Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Grading Nintendo E3 2021 Showcase - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Episode Date: June 15, 2021

Tim, Greg, Blessing, Andy and Janet grade Nintendo's Direct for E3 2021. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to another kind of funny games cast. This time we are covering E3 2021, the Nintendo Direct presentation. As always, I'm Tim Gettys, joined by the new face of video games blessing at A.OEA Jr. What's up, Tim? The nitro rifle, Andy Cortez. Hello, Timothy Gettys. One of the coolest dudes in video games, Greg Miller. Lance Wars is back, motherfucker.

And the best headphones in the business, Janet Garcia. What's good? Very exciting stuff. We have a lot to talk about. So I'm going to get into all the housekeeping stuff now. You can get this show on YouTube.com slash Kind of Funny Games. Or if you want the audio version, search your favorite podcast service for Kind of Funny Games. Cast, if you want to get the show ad free, there's one place you want to be.

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Nintendo Direct. Greg Miller, what did you think? Love did it. What a great show. You know what I mean? They did exactly what I think you always want them to do. They caught you off guard. They had a bunch of crazy announcements.

They didn't overpromise. They came out and they delivered, right? And I think that the fact that we can all sit here with the fact that Breath of the Wild 2 or whatever they're going to end calling it is 2022 and be like, okay, cool, we're still happy with this presentation speaks a lot. Got it. I'm trying to decide if Metroid is enough to make it like a banger. I think it was a solid presentation.

It was a good presentation, but it had a lot of rehashing old stuff, bringing back old things. And while I think that can be exciting for people that are really hardcore fans of those franchises, it doesn't really give me a lot of excitement. Blessing. Yeah, I think before this direct, I had a few asks of it. I wanted it to fill out what the rest of this year looked like. I wanted them to answer some question marks, and I wanted some surprises.

And for me, this direct did all those things. You know, there's no Switch Pro, but again, like, that wasn't totally expected because they did try to set our expectations by saying it will be focused on software. And so that's not a surprise that it's not there. But with what they did have, I thought they did a very fantastic job. This fall looks really cool for Nintendo, between Metroid Dread, between Mario Party, between Shimigami Tense, and then you know you're getting the Pokemon games. games as well. Even though there's not a big tent pull banger this fall, all the things they do have are

really exciting and exciting enough to make me go oh man, I'm excited about my Switch this fall, which I think is such a success for them. And so this is fantastic. Andy? Yeah, I think it was the culmination of just a lot of underwhelming directs. I don't think it was the craziest

direct ever, right? And, you know, I was hoping we'd get some Donkey Kong news. I was hoping we'd get more info on Metroid Prime. anything more than just sort of a mention or whatever. But the, yeah, I thought the, the announcements were all there. They had some surprises there. We got the Advance Wars remake, which was kind of shocking.

I did not expect Wario where. I didn't expect to see it. I didn't expect Metroid dread. There was a lot of surprises that caught all of us off guard. Mario Party Superstars is awesome. And I'm at least glad that we got to Sea Breath of the Wild too. of course we would have loved the release date we would love for that to be in this year

but that's just not the reality of things and the idea that we just got to see it I'm more than excited about I thought this was like if I were to put a grade on it like a B to a B plus really really good stuff yeah I think I'm right there where this to me is a very solid B

presentation and I think that that is a good thing we haven't gotten a B from Nintendo in a while it's not quite the S that we know Nintendo's capable of and I do think that for me biggest disappointments are Breath of Wild, not getting a name drop at the very least, but 2022, it's like, oh, man,

I really, really, really believed that it was going to be this year, that we were going to see a lot more of it at this E3. But despite that, I feel like the announcements they have really excite me as a Nintendo fan. This is a Nintendo we haven't seen in a while where we've, for the last couple of years, gotten a lot of new games for Nintendo, but then also a lot of Wii U ports,

which was great because those games were fantastic. What we're seeing here is interesting. This is a bunch of 3DX. ports and 3DS inspired titles. We have the Mario Party superstar, which we were all upset who was announced on 3DS. It's like, why would you do that? Give it to us on the switch where we're actually playing.

And now we're finally getting it. It looks like a much better version, which is awesome. Same thing for Warioware. There was the one for 3DS. It's like, this is a bizarre choice. But now we're getting it. What's old is new again. Go back to advance wars, right?

Like getting that collection. None of us expected that. But I think that that is a fantastic step forward in the right direction for getting a new advance wars. This is let's get these games that we know we're good. There's not a chance of this like letting us down. Like this is just a remake of the games that we love so much. So that continues down the line with a super monkey ball.

There's just a lot of filling out, I think a lot of that that B tier Nintendo titles, but it's like all of them. And we never see that. Maybe it's like one or two. But here it's like there was like 10 games they announced that I'm like, wow, I didn't expect one of these to be here, let alone 10 of them. And especially this year. So while Nintendo might not have the big banger fall title, I think it's really damn clear now that all of our predictions and talk about Nintendo Switch Pro is tied to Breath of the Wild,

and that is 2022. So that's where we're at. But it means that we're going to be getting a lot of titles pretty much week after week from September to November, and especially when you add the Pokemon titles as well, a lot of cool stuff here. And I think that not necessarily anything that is going to be the big game of the year contender,

conversation, but a lot of really, really solid stuff. And Metroid Dred, I mean, I am blown away. I can't believe they're actually making it. Not necessarily my favorite graphic style. And I think in a world that is now kind of owned by indie Metroidvania inspired titles, things like Hollow Night and whatever where, like a 2D Metroid needs to be something special. Exactly. Like all of those.

Like this needs to be something special. But I love that they're going back to Dread. Let's get scary. Let's get weird. This is, it's unbelievable to me. Yeah, Tim, you mentioned the, the, tiers that Nintendo kind of has with their games. And even though it feels like so many of these announcements did feel like they were reaching

toward that B tier to lower A tier, they reached into certain bags that I didn't expect. And I think all of us didn't expect, right? Metroid Dread being the big example of this is a game that was looked forward to in like the early to mid 2000s and disappeared and nobody, like nobody was thinking about it anymore. Like I've never heard anybody predict a Metroid dread announcement at an E3 over the last decade. I need to cut you off there. That's because everyone gave up hope. It was literally a year after year after year of people being like, Betro Jed, this is the year. We're going to see it. And then no, it was 2021. Should we never give up hope for anything? Because I feel like we're always

told to give up hope. So I'm getting mixed. I'm getting mixed. Mother three. Give up on three. The lesson here is to give up hope. Give up hope. And then we're going to get what we want. So everybody stop asking for mother three, Nintendo will finally give it to us. We are getting that new Pickman game. All right. There you go. Like that. Like that. Like, Like for me, there weren't enough like, like across the board bangers. And I do know that not everyone likes Metroid because that one doesn't really sell as well as other franchises. But like I'm even though I think Super Monkey Ball three like Super Monkey Ball in general is fun, it's not going to get me out of my share. Like I feel like that solid for a run of the mill direct, but I wanted more like heavy punches.

And personally, I was a little bit bummed. Like when I saw Metroid like toward the beginning and middle of the show, I'm like, oh, they're just going to run the table here. And then it kind of just staved off and never really hit that height again until Breath of the Wild, I would say. So that sort of surprised me in terms of the pasting of it. We all pop for Wario Ware. We all pop for War. Here's my thing is, I think, for me personally, if we're thrown on. I'm not playing Wireware.

And like it isn't as someone that I know it's good because people tell me it's good. But watching that as someone who has not played it, it doesn't really conjure anything for me. And I think like it's hard to get it. Don't you want to pick Wario's nose? I mean, I like this toothpaste action that. we saw like peeling off a face math very relatable but i believe to the price point on that i think is like 50 bucks as well and it's just like i don't know if i'm going to get like hyped for that if that's going to be on my best of that you know list of anything that's kind of where it lands for me uh in terms of

that for throwing out scores i just want to toss out that again remember everybody i know i've been hit or miss on these sometimes i have to leave earlier remember greg miller goes on the new igon scale i think right so i don't do the pluses or minuses i just put them into buckets of uh levels here I would give this an A, obviously S tier being above it. I think this is an A presentation as I look at it. I think it opened really strong with the smash announcement that even though I don't care, it was a hype announcement in the cool trailer and I know Smash people care about it. And then as I look down the list, I highlighted and bolded the things I cared about, right?

And there's a ton of them in here that are ranging in sizes big to small or whatever. And then ending with Breath of the Wild and this whole Zelda thing. I think they did a great job of just giving a good presentation that had a bunch of stuff in it, had a bunch of cool entertainment and it had had stuff you did know about stuff you didn't know about reminders again like obviously i'm not going to pop that uh super or mario golf super rush has the release date of june 25th we knew that obviously right but the fact that there's talking about the free updates and showing more of a look stuff that i didn't see in the preview uh tim and blessing did for it gets me excited and keeps me around for that and i think you know in terms of if there were bigger

things or you know more stuff this is still a pandemic year and i think i granted i'm not grading on a curve or anything like that, nor am I grading on the curve of what E3-2020 was. I just think this was a solid show that never at any point let my mind drift off to something else. Yeah, for me, I didn't get my own grade, but for me it sits at a B-plus

for the thing of, there wasn't Breath of Wild 2 was awesome, but yeah, that did get a 22-2 day and for this year that doesn't seem to be any sort of huge bangers, there's also not there wasn't like a big, big, big surprise at this Nintendo direct that wasn't a, oh fuck, Metroid,

Prime is back or oh fuck this like X, Y and Z is back. But I think for our conversation of Warrior Ware and Metroid Dred and all these other things, I think this, this direct did have announcements that hit each of us in different ways where, you know, I'm not a big advanced wars person, but there are multiple people here that are that absolutely popped off. You will be. You will be. You will be blessed.

Believe it. And I can't wait to be, right? But I do love Smash and I do love Tekken. And so opening up with Kazia and Smash had me like, whoa, what the fuck? let's fucking go. Showing Warrior Wear had me like, oh, let's fucking go. I love Warrior Wear.

And I think for those different, quote-unquote, B-tier announcements, the fact that it seems like each of us had something here where we went, fuck, I didn't see this coming, and fuck, this looks really excited and can't wait to play this, I think makes it a really cool thing.

I think with all of these sort of announcements that you're mentioning, Bless, that all of these sort of B-tier announcements that are not the gigantic Nintendo games we should be expecting, but what this does for me is kind of show that Nintendo gives a shit about a lot of these smaller

titles that we may have thought were just gone forever. Like I would have never believed there would have been a remake of this Metroid Dred game. I would have never believe that there would be another warrior. Like if you told me, they would have somehow find a way to show another

Fire Emblem game for about 15 minutes and more on Splatoon. I would have totally believed you. But the fact that we are kind of getting these smaller, weirder games, that gives me a lot of hope for a lot of other weird Nintendo small titles that we may not be expecting that shit, maybe they are going to bring these other titles back that have just been gone to lost to time that we would have never thought we'd see again. So I, like, not only did this

presentation excite me, it also just made me kind of hopeful for the, like, I don't know, for the next five years. What other kind of weird shit could they possibly bring back? Totally, man. When you look at Nintendo Switch's life cycle, like starting in 2017, that year was insane, right? When we got Breath of the wild it ended with Mario Odyssey and in between we got Mario Card 8 deluxe granted semi port of an old game but still a banger of a game and on top of that we got other things like smaller things like arms and a couple things to to fill out the the catalog it kept going and they were just like releasing banger after banger and then once you get to 2019 i think that was a year of a bunch of b level bangers that's when we got luigi's mansion that's when we got

the lynx awakening remake and i mean look i love them i love it but But it's like it's not that A tier Nintendo that we're talking about, right? And I think that what we're looking at here is another 2019 year. And I will take that over 2020 any goddamn day of the week. So, you know, this to me is an exciting move in the right direction with where we're all at with Nintendo in the world. I am very impressed with the amount of things they're showing us because I thought it was going to be a lot less than this.

The Smash Brothers news is very interesting to me. This is not at all the direction I thought they were going to go. I can't believe we didn't get both characters. announced today that excites me in some ways. Knowing we only have one left is weird because like this, this character looks fun, but definitely was not one that I was like looking forward to being in it. And I think that as we're dwindling down to our final moments, it's like every character announced is thousands of other characters unannounced.

You know what I mean? And that has never been more true than right now with just one remaining. But can't wait to play. Can't wait to get the spirits. Hopefully the last one is as big. of a bangers it possibly can be. Waluigi. No.

Janet, what spoke to you the most? Again, still that Metroid reveal. I mean, I think like 2D Metroid is some of at least my fondest experiences of Metroid. And it had that great combination of,

to me it hit all the marks. It was surprising. It was exciting. It had a hard release date. It had a release date of this year. And it looked incredible. Like I have zero qualms, zero complaints.

It just looked fantastic. So I think that definitely was my standout moment. And then like a light shot out to them saying that like the Mario Golf game is going to be getting DLC and support just because Nintendo doesn't really do DLC and support. And I do think if we're talking about this in terms of, you know, what kind of tone it sets or kind of what is, how does it speak to the ethos of Nintendo with the switch moving forward? That's really exciting to me. I was kind of bummed though, I guess, to see like the Mario Party thing, that is a standalone

purchase situation, right? that's not like part of everything else. Prior party? Yeah. Like it's that part of... It's a new game. That's its own thing. Yeah.

Like I wish, I would have loved to see something like that get bundled in with the existing Mario Party. I think especially with online being supported. I mean, maybe that it was kind of like testing the online waters and the servers and stuff for something else. But, um, yeah, I don't know.

I mean, I think it depends on how faithful of recreation that is. I love old Mario Party. Old Mario Party, I think, is the peak of Mario Party. But there were, there were differences they made in the new, the most recent iteration of Mario Party that I wasn't a huge fan of. So I'm hoping that this is just at this is like the one time I'm like, I want a faithful recreation, just make it look nice.

Honestly, you didn't even have to make it look nice. You could have gave me the old one. And I still would have bought it. Let's give me, party one through three. No, seriously, but with online, can you imagine the ability to do that? I'm with you, Janet. Yeah, that sounds super exciting to me. And yeah, the Mario Party superstar I released did get a lot of a big pop for me in terms of

what it is. Like, I'm very much looking forward to revisiting this. For me, I'd say my most had to now. announcement. Shout out to Warrior Wear because I think as a new announcement, that was my most type thing. But I really got to talk about that breath of while too trailer because I'm, I'm over the moon, right? Like 2022 still feels far away. And of course, even as they said it, it felt like they slightly didn't even believe that they're going to fully hit 2022. But regardless, I love them casting vision. I love them being like, okay, yeah, we have we have an idea when we want

this to hit. But the trailer itself, some of the stuff they showed, I thought was really exciting. They're keeping with the tone of like this eerie, this eerie breath of a while. sequel. They're doing the thing where they're playing a lot of the sound cues, a lot of the music cues, a lot of the music cues, adding to like this creepy different feel to it. The fact that they show it, they started off with Link diving from the sky. With the robot arm. With the robot arm. Yeah. Janice is the robot arm. Yeah. It makes me, it makes me interested in where they're going with it because we've had all these theories of what Breath of Law 2 is going to be. And I've heard theories ranging from,

oh, it's going to be the same map and maybe they'll flip it on its head somehow to, oh, it's going to be maybe underground full of dungeons, them going skyward with it. Interesting. You know, evokes some Skyward sword energy, but also I think could be really exciting in terms of freshening up the map.

And then also diving into some of the lore of Zelda because Skyward's sword, as Barrett mentioned, even before we started our live reaction, Skyward sword, or actually no, I think you said it during the live reaction, right? It's like, it's important narratively, right? Like, it ties Zelda together. It ties that story together.

And like, like, now that I'm starting to think, like, with everything going on, with the sky stuff. Like I imagine we might get some narrative connections there. The fact that Link kind of with his kind of different hairstyle going on here and his get up here, like we might get some connections to the like in Breath of the Wild One, the story of like the original hero and stuff from like a thousand years ago. We link kind of looks like the like the drawing of that.

So we might get some connections with that. You know, there have been theories about the Zonai, which is the missing tribe from the first game. That's what that might connect to Link's arm and stuff of like what the zone I have been up to. Same with like the stuff in the sky. It looks like time, right? Like, I mean, it looks like, yeah, his hair would indicate he's going, you know, the older version of it or whatever, longer. Pass.

He's going to the past. But then they showed the rewinding of the droplets, right? And like the rewinding of water. It feels to me like, yeah, they're totally teasing that you're going to have control of time as one of your powers here. And that ties into, I think, the music cues. Like, the music cues being played in reverse, I think, speaks to the fact that they're playing around with time and maybe going back in time with a lot of this stuff. And you have the drop-in-th sounds creepy.

Yeah, it's not just for style. I think it's telling a story with it. And I want to shout out to the, I forget what the thing is called. It's not the high-knox, but the big rock creature. That having a settlement on top of it, on top of that with some of the enemies just hanging out on it, I think it's a really cool touch and speaks to the fact that they're iterating on Breath of Wild in such a cool way. They're like, cool, we have something. Now, how can we make it cooler?

How can we put it twists on what we've already got to add more character and add more personality to the world we've already established? And I think so far, with the little we've gotten, I think they're absolutely nailing it. And I cannot wait to get this. I'm right there with you. This looks insane. This trailer, I can't wait to watch it like 15 more times. Like I said earlier, Little Bun, we don't have a name in the 2022 date that they're

aiming for seems like a little disappointing just because I want this now. But this is the perfect example of take you damn time. I want this to be as good as it possibly can because it looks like we have something incredibly special on our hands. So many shots in this are just like gorgeous and that's the art style. That's the decisions that they've made like, uh,

Barrett, can you roll it back a bit? There's a scene of him like looking at the clouds and the sun is breaking through a whole bunch and it's just like Jesus. God raise. I think it's a little before this. I think too. Like there we go. The ability is like the section where like link goes through, I'm now like asking you know that section, the section where he goes through the

rock, I'm like, what is this going to mean for traversal? Because even looking at that exact area, it reminds me of like, we've all been those situations in Breath of the Wild, we run out of climbing stamina. You have to go too far around. So I'm like, if you can just zoom through some of these structures, like I think that's going to be really exciting, especially when combined with the fact that there is so much happening in terms of being in the air and, you know, diving from above and all of that. Will it be some sort of link between world's mechanic to like. thing. Yeah, like going through certain parts of certain structures

are, you know, that plays into the actual level design. And I do love that the arms seems like is replacing the Shika Slate. I think that's a cool twist on it also because that means that we're going to have different abilities. And the Shika Slate for Breath of Wild meant so much to that game. You are, everything you're doing around that game

in terms of puzzle solving and a lot of the traversal revolves around the few abilities that you have with the Shika Slate and they build everything around that. The fact that they're replacing that with an arm and it looks like they're giving you some different abilities and putting twists on abilities that were already there. You know, like this, what we're looking at right here, right? Where it is the time-freezing time.

But it looks like instead of just freezing time, you are rewinding time. I cannot wait to see the puzzles and stuff that they build around that. Because for me, it's one of the best things about Breath of Wild is playing with physics and fucking around and saying how you could combine different things. Like, imagine combining rewinding time with something else in order to gain a combative advantage against some of the enemies. Like, that seems so cool. It is very, very cool.

And what I'm really interested in is, you know, in Breath of the Wild, like, the whole kind of conceded the game was you have all your abilities from the get-go and like you can kind of do whatever you want. And it's more about combining them than it is about learning something new to open up a new area. I wonder if they're sticking with that or if in this, you're actually, it's going to be a little bit more of a traditional Zelda of gaining abilities because the time travel going through the little drop of water to pop through the thing. Like that, to me, looks kind of like a dungeon where you learn that. ability. You know, like once he gets the top up here, we're about to see, it's like up here, like, I wouldn't be surprised if this is like the opening

or like some part of a more traditional dungeon. You got a title card right there. Like, hold on, where was the Oh my God, could you imagine it? Like even just this shot right here, like I know there isn't much, but this has like almost dungeon vibes where there's like this

enemy like blocking your path here. You're not in like an open area or anything. So. Yeah, that could be cool. Yeah, and I think it'd be a great move because people, that was probably the thing people missed the most about Breath of the Wall. It's the fact that they weren't, they weren't traditional dungeons. You had the shrines, which were awesome. I love the shrines.

And then you had the divine beasts, you know, which were cool. But it didn't have that, oh, I'm exploring this underground world. Or, oh, I'm exploring this forbidden forest. Or, oh, I'm exploring this, you know, sky dungeon. Even though I guess he did have, like, the actual divine beast that was flying the sky. it felt less distinct when you went from dungeon and dungeon. And so them returning to that, I think, would be a big move for them and would be a hit with fans. I'm a little surprised at the amount of varied locales we're seeing in this that are places we haven't seen before.

But I'm also surprised by how much of just the same early level Breath of the Wild stuff we're seeing in this. But with just like slight remixes and I wonder what that balance is going to end up actually being. Like especially when you look back at Majoris mask coming after Ocarina, like those how drastically different they were, even though they were using the similar engine, similar kind of ideas. This does look like what we've all kind of assumed it would be, which is the Majora's Mask of Breath of the Wild, which is freaking wild to think about. And I love the super dark kind of creepy-ass tone they're going for. You got to assume everybody on the Zelda team is like, we need the pro. All right. Like we're we've got some ideas.

And this shit is not going to. really work that well. Like, if you want this to be the best it could be, give us that new invidia chip with DLSS, we need that shit. And I'm kind of excited about that portion of it. How does the future use of this new tech

kind of advance what Breath of the Wild can be? You know, when it comes to, you know, just higher resolution, no, no, it doesn't get all framing all the time. You know, that was always my issue with Breath of the Wild. Even though it's still like a 10 out of 10 game to me,

I still had some issues with performance. So I'm stoked about that as well. Before the launch of Breath of Wild, it was pretty rough. But it did get patched pretty quickly, and it didn't end up, like, I think, sticking around at the same level. But I will say, like, going back to Breath of the Wild,

like now, it doesn't look as pretty as it did when I first played it. I don't know if I'm alone in that, but this one looks really good. So I'm hoping that it does have a little bit of those, like those rough edges aren't there at launch. Before we move on, let me tell you about our sponsors.

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because this is one of those weird Nintendo decisions in a good way that I'm really excited about. This really seems like one of the first times ever that for years would be on Gamescast and we'd say, why don't they just do X? Why don't they just do Y? And this is exactly that. because I was looking into it.

And from what I remember, the 3DS game, it was just the 100 mini games. It didn't include the board. So even there, there was kind of like, well, that's a weird call. Here, we're getting five of the classic boards from the N64 games, the full things with online play, with all the iconic mini games. But it isn't just the old games. It does look a lot better. We're getting the new characters like Rosalina and stuff going on here.

This looks incredible. This looks like the dream Mario Party game with online play that we know works because they just did it with Super Mario Party. Yeah. And honestly with the recent Super Mario Party, I'm surprised by how well online works. I've played multiple games of that now, and I've barely had any issues.

And that's pretty crazy when it comes to Nintendo Online. Yeah. No, Nintendo Online. You're saying there's hope for Mario Golf. You're saying there's hope for Mario Golf. I'm not saying all that. I didn't know that way. I'm just saying they somehow haven't figured out for Mario Party.

And so them adding online to that, I think it's such a cool thing. And I'm right there with you. This is definitely one of those good, weird Nintendo decisions that I'm all about. Andy, you said really, did you have bad experiences with the Mario Party Online? No, I've been curious. I haven't tried the newest version online.

I've been wondering about that. Because I know we had, you know, I don't know how many months ago it was, that there was a story on Kind of Funny Games Daily about Nintendo kind of starting from scratch on their online system and kind of saying, kind of admitting in a way, yes, we know that it's not great. So we're kind of trying to move on to newer modern solutions. And I wonder if that actually ever happened behind the scenes, whether we would have noticed at all. But the fact that Bluss didn't really have any issues, I know when we played

Super Mario Bros. 3D World, that, you know, was pretty problematic. We had a ton of issues trying to play that online. So, yeah, I wonder if, I wonder if maybe they found this new sort of found confidence knowing that, hey, our online can be more functional in the future. Let's just kind of go all out with what sort of games we can put out there. I'm certainly excited to try this because I haven't play those Mario parties in fucking decades, you know? So like this is such a great decision. I, in a way, I know that we were kind of, there's part of us that's like, ah, all the stuff we're seeing is just rehashes of old stuff, but it's old proven stuff. And the idea that like, I'd rather have old proven stuff from Nintendo than a brand new Mario party that may not necessarily hit the same way.

Like I'm stoked to see if this actually works. And, yeah, I'm definitely down to try to definitely a weird intent. decision for me though. Mario Party, like the original Marri Party, didn't have the thing with the characters having different dye, right? I'm not making up that memory. Like, that's old Mario Party? Yes. That's more modern. Yeah. Yeah. So one thing that I'm kind of bummed about is that it seems to be like an old,

it is the old games, it's the old boards, but it will have like more modern trappings because I'm looking at the key art for Mario Party superstars on the Switch on the Nintendo website and it shows Mario with like his Mario die, I'm pretty sure. Or maybe it isn't. I don't know. It's hard to, it's hard for me to tell. I don't know what Mario those dais. But like if it has the new trappings, I'm a little bit less excited because I feel like some of what I haven't liked about the more recent Mario parties is they sort of have made them less like less of a bitch, basically. And like what was nice about those is that they were like brutally hard to like get a victory in. And they've always had a little bit of BS in them.

But like I'm really hoping that it just really is a true one-to-one recreation that they don't have like the dye thing. It's tough for me to tell now that I'm looking at it. if it does have any of those additions. I'm also looking forward to something that isn't leading so hard in the JoyCon as well. Absolutely. I got the actual PR email from Nintendo. So I'm going to read some bits for the game. See if there's more info from Mario Party Superstars.

They say, ready for another round of Mario Party Mania. It's time for a superstar collection of Mario Boards and mini games. Mario Party Superstars features five classic boards from the Ed64 era and a collection of 100 minigames. And all game modes can be played online. So that's awesome. That bit right there, that every mode. And also, Janet, to your point, I'm hoping that them focusing on different game modes, maybe if there is the character die, that there's the option to play without the character die as well.

This is the, what's it called, the treehouse slide that they're playing right now. So it does, yeah, it doesn't look like you can choose your block play. Yeah, I've looked over. I've looked over. All the dice look like they're the same dice. Somebody just got a custom dice that you could roll whatever number you want, but I don't see it being, I don't see what we saw in the last. Yeah.

Something I want to bring. Top left. It could be this mode, though. It could just be how they selected, you know, for the rules or whatever. But there's dice block. Something that I want to bring out because Chad's been kind of talking about it is how do you guys feel about this being its own game? That seems to be $60 and not an expansion for Super Mario Party. I'm salty because I just bought that Super Mario Party.

But I knew I was stupid when I bought it. Everyone told me not to buy it. Like my Discord community was playing it. And I'm like, you know what? This seems like fun. and I'm like, if I'm going to have fun, it's worth the $60. But it's a little,

it's a little bit salty. At least you bought it on, you bought it on sale for $57.99, okay? I don't even think I did. I don't even think I. Nintendo's amazing sales. $1. I did earn the gold points.

So like, you know, there's, there's justification there a little bit. But, um, yeah, it just like, if you're, if you're like me,

it's a little bit awkward, but I don't think there's that many people who, I don't know how many people bought the new, because it had online. I mean, I did also. Like, they had an online play. I also bought it. Do you feel salty?

Or are you just less bitter than me? And you're like, I'm fine. No, I think it is a salty thing. I think for me, it's what I expect from Nintendo. And that's the sad thing about it is, if Nintendo came to me and they were like, oh, yeah, we are making new Mario Party content. I would not expect it to be an expanded thing, sadly.

Like, that's the sad part about it. That I think that would be the right decision, especially when you look at this game and look at the UI and look at all the elements. It looks just like Super Mario Party. It doesn't. That's my thing is I like that this is its own thing because Super Mario Party is not a good enough foundation to build off.

This to me, it looks like this is what we all want for Mario Party. If we start growing from here going forward, if they add DLC and start adding to this, I am much happy with that. I would have preferred that Super Mario Party just was that great foundation before. But like, honestly, to me, it wasn't. Like, all of us played it and had issues,

like not only with the online, but even just with the amount of mini games that they had and the focus on the joycons and all, this being like you could play it with the Nintendo Switch Light, you could play it with whatever you have. Like there needs to be that level of consistency if you're going to build on for a cohesive Mario Party experience. And I think that this is, while unfortunately we have to buy another game. Like, I just wish that Super Mario Party was better. But it's also for sure.

We're talking about Super Mario Party. I mean, I know because the online just got added this year, right? And so we're dealing with there. But like, it's a three-year-old game. Like I don't, like, yeah, on the one hand, sure, it'd be great if this Super Mario Party. was the platform and it was just going to have, you know, stuff added to it throughout time. But Nintendo hasn't conditioned an audience to do that. And I don't think they care that much in terms of doing that and getting an audience in line with,

hey, it would be a different conversation of, hey, this is the Mario Party platform going forward. I think it's totally within the rights, of course, do whatever the fuck you want. It can be a good business decision or bad business decision. But I don't see this as being egregious or that money grubbing. It sounds like they put a lot of stuff into it. Even watching the direct over here on another screen or the treehouse over another screen like it's got that you know Nintendo we always talk about the nostalgia being its power right and even as you're getting ready to go into the minigame it shows a little n64 up there and it tells you

it's from Mario Party too and shit like that's cool yeah the idea that you can't really like if people are expecting this Mario party to be able to play with JoyCon only or like maybe they're not expecting to use the same hardware obviously this game is full art you know all redone it looks gorgeous and I am not surprised at all that they're going to charge for a full game. Like it's, it kind of stinks. What if it was like a $30 thing? But Nintendo never does that.

Nintendo has always reminded me of Apple. We're going to do it our way. And we believe in this decision. And if you don't agree with it, who cares, you're going to get it anyway. I don't love that. But that's kind of just how it is.

And that's exactly right, Matt, where it doesn't surprise me whatsoever. And I don't think it's an egregious thing. You know, I'm fine with it, but that's also me as somebody who really likes Mario Part. that is willing to show up for a collection like this. But I do think there's that thing of, man, but what if Nintendo was like,

hey, people love Mari Party? Hey, we can put out a service, like a live Mario Party and can continue to expand it with new maps, new content, and all that stuff, and now have those things that are. All right, Mario Party anniversary, we're adding in Mari Party 2 maps. Like, that, for me, can help build value for your audience and help maintain an ongoing game.

But to Greg's point, they've not conditioned the audience to expect that, which is why I think we're all like, okay, well, it is what it is. We're excited for it. We're going to play it. But I don't know if it's the best way necessarily to do this kind of thing. It wouldn't be Nintendo if you weren't buying something that you already owned on another platform. And like, you know, for what's worth. As much as it sucks that it is this way, like those games do not go down value either. Because I bought a cartridge version of like Mario Party probably a few years ago. And it was still like $30 to $50. So, and I bought it and I would have bought it again because I like those games a lot. So at least this is like a modernized version of it because like, and you know, I'm off of the nostalgia and I'm a big fan of physical media, but admittedly having to hook up

my N64 and then you know how those controllers didn't age well which is probably going to happen again with the switch where it's like, okay, this one is the one with the bad stick and then I have like the brawler 64 is like if you want a modern version on an old thing, it was a little bit sloppy. So at least this kind of adds a little bit of cohesion. And it

far enough away in time from when I bought the last Mario Party that maybe it'll take this thing out of it because not to October but yeah for this one do you guys expect them to add new classic maps going forward like do you expect Mario Party for not really one maps and that's my thing of what that's my thing of why why I think it's a salty situation is because like that's something you can build and they have they put in no effort into building something like that but let's be honest do we need anything

past Mario Party one through three? Four is good. They're good. But I think more maps for those that's a very, more maps from those at the very least would be fantastic. Like Mario Party has been trashed for like a lot of years. Like the one on the switch, the one on the switch is like a little bit better because it is more

traditionally board game based. And like I think the gimmicks, you know, it's still, it's a gimmicky game because it's like for fun, right? Like so having the extra characters and stuff, eh, it's all right. I do think some of their star stuff at the end where you don't get like a mini game star anymore. I'm like, why am I hustling for these games then if I'm not going to get a star at the end?

But that's a different issue. But I feel like, I think most people can agree that the height of Mario Party was like those, the games that they were going to bring back. And I think people, most people go up to like four, if not six is what I tend to hear for good Mario parties. But the idea that the idea here is that there's five maps coming from one through three, right? Like the best best maps from one through three. Like, I mean, I don't remember any of the other Mario parties really, but surely there's,

had to have been some good enough maps to make their way over here, right? Like, or am I just absolutely crazy? Like, we're... Or, like, maybe there are more maps from Mario Party 1 through 3 that you can pull in. Like, five maps, for me, isn't the big number of maps. Like, that is a thing you can expand over years.

Like, launch you with five maps is cool, I think. But... That's what we expected from Super Mario Party, though? They only launched with, what, four maps? And they never... Yeah. They never added to it. And that's my problem is that you can add to it.

You can build it. You can make it something fantastic. And I feel like they do that one and done and they stop because they know that in a few years, they can release a brand new game and people will pay $6 a dollar for it again. Well, Nintendo is just so inconsistent and sloppy with support that it just becomes like, it just becomes a mess. And I wish they were just left floppy, but I don't think they're going to be. So at this point, I'm like, I'm just here for the ride.

I mean, even look at like Splatoon 2. They're like, Splodfest is done, except for like the vibe we had afterwards. Like, what was that? And like, you know, I went and. It's just confusing and weird, right? And like Mario Kart, we did initially get the LC for that, and then that became Mario Kart Deluxe on the Switch. They said they're going to do stuff for Mario Golf.

They didn't touch Mario Party for a long time, and then suddenly it came out with online, and they came out with a new one later. Like, it'd be nice to have cohesive vision, but we're not going to. So I don't know. I would like a lot of things from Nintendo that I'm not going to get. Why expect it now?

Yeah, like it reminds me as crazy we didn't get on. Mario Maker too. Yeah, totally. So many things. You're like, how? How do we not get an update? And you make search? Can you make good, like filtered searches and things?

Like, it's just, I don't know. There's problems. Going back to the Nintendo PR email, I love this. The top of Metro Dread. Metroid Dread is a direct sequel to 2002's Metroid Fusion and concludes the five-part saga focusing on the strange interconnected fates of Bounty Hunter Samis and the Metroids,

which kicked off with the original Metroid game for NES. How is this real? I am so stoked. I need to talk to Jared Petty about. this because he I'm sure is losing his damn mind. I even love the way that the trailer opened with the Metroid with the font kind of coming in. It's saying Metroid 5 that's how they originally showed the game at each I think it was

like E3 like 2003 or some shit like that. And then we just saw just a couple screens of the game. So this is just this is too much man and I I love the the creature that was chasing after the creature that was chasing after her too that was a cool way to start it because I don't know I That really vibe of me in terms of how it looked and how kind of eerie, it felt. How the mood should be.

There's a great combination of like mechanical and like organism based creatures and sort of like fusion, right? Of those things. The suit design looks gorgeous. Metro Fusion is probably one of my favorite games ever. I've been dreaming of them doing something with that for ages and this is way better than even that would have been. Yeah, it looks fantastic.

I'm so excited about this. Yeah, I'm real, real, real excited. Like I was saying, I wonder how this is going to compete with other Metroidvenias of the modern times. But Amos returns was great, though, on 3DS. And this looks like it might be made by the same team. I don't know, I'm trying to find this out right now, but I'm not seeing any more info.

Is Mercury Steam on this at all? Does the chat know? Mercury Steam. But anyways. I just love Google, Metroid 5, 2003. Mercury seemed, I didn't make this. Did? Do you say did or didn't?

Did. Did. Cool, cool, cool. Awesome. That's exciting stuff. And I mean, they're still talking about Metro and Prime 4. So it is still a game that still exists. Yeah, that was such a weird.

What a weird moment. Like, it was like, by the way, yes. But also, this completely different thing. But I think it helps that like Metroid, oh God, I want to say Fusion, Dread is coming out so soon because I think that I think if it didn't have this year release date, it would have been a little bit awkward because it would have seemed like, even if you want to make the argument like this took away from something. It's like, oh, well, it's here already. So it's ready now almost. So it kind of, I think skirts any of people being upset by that. But it was sort of weird. But I already know that we're not going to see, you know, that new Metroid game for ages because like they were making it. They stopped making it and then had to start again. Like that sounds like, you know, we don't hear about these games when they have the idea for these games. We hear about them when they're. We hear about them when they. they're a little bit more in the lines of production and on their way. So to already have that and then have a restart,

like I've just sort of let that one go indefinitely. I think you have to mention it, though. I think you have to kind of confirm and mention it because. Because you mentioned a new much, yeah. Yeah, if they only show dread, what's going through all of our minds? Prime is dead probably. Like Prime 4 is probably never going to come out if they don't even mention it. And it kind of reminds me of Breath of the Wild 2 at the last direct.

where Al Numa's like, yes, we're still working on it, but we're also doing this. So check this out. And hopefully you forget about the last thing I just mentioned. I think you have to mention Prime 4 is still confirmed or else people lose their shit and just assume the worst. So I'm fine with that. It's nice to hear them talk about it to you and say the words Metroid Prime 4 because I think it just asks that thing of if we don't hear about it ever, we just slowly get into that place where we're like, okay, it's just gone. It doesn't exist anymore.

And so them having the confidence to say the words Metroid Prime 4 and Nintendo Direct, I think, speaks to a good thing in terms of, hey, we're not canceling it. Hey, we're still working on it. It still exists. Here's dread. And I mean, I've come up for 19 years.

Because there's no chance in hell that Metroid Prime trilogy is not coming to the switch at some point. And I am convinced that that game is finished and done. And they've been sitting on it for at this point, probably four years. And they had always planned, we're going to put it out about nine months before Prime 4. And then Prime 4 just keeps moving.

So they're like, all right, well, let's just hold on to this, I guess. but like it has to be real it has to be done Jeff Grub tell me I'm right nothing has to be real it's Nintendo where's the Switch Pro

I'm here by that for like eight years I'm tired of hearing about it the other Zelda games I'm tired of just chip Where's Winwaker Where is Winwaker? Where's my Switch Pro

that's what I want to know y'all like especially especially too like I've been skeptical of the Switch pro rumors forever because I'm just like I don't know man and more and more people are like no no it's coming

it's gonna be here then it's not being here I mean it's going to be here even harder than it was. And then it wasn't here. So you know what? I have all these rumors. Forget it. I don't even care.

At one point, one of y'all is going to say it's going to come out and then it's going to come out. And then you're going to be like, you said, you said for eight years, I'm done. I'm over it. I'm just going to take my,

my shitty switch with my drifting joycon. And I'm just going to keep it rocking. Okay. You know what? Janet, as of today, we're giving up hope on the switch pro. It's never coming up.

We're never going to see it. It's time to stop. Ever. It's canceled. And then let's just hope in like, you know, six months maybe we get something. Yeah, maybe. You know what? Saving money is always good anyway.

Put aside the money. Somebody's going to make a console. Send it on play date. I don't know. Like, do what you want with it. Switch pro rumors got like really out of control in the last like two months leading into E3. And before that, I think everyone just assumed it was 2022. But then it everyone started thinking it was 2021.

I mean, it was like a all the, the judge of Shrier report, right? That's the thing. It's like, yeah, there's a lot of real evidence going into this. So at the end of the day, it's like, it's going to inevitably happen. Nintendo's in a weird place right now as everybody is, but them specifically. And with Breath of the Wild, it's like, why would they put it out this fall when there's going to be hardware shortages no matter what anyways? And there's nothing crazy to push it with it. Like Metroid Prime or Metroid Dread and, you know, freaking all of the games, 10 say five aren't going to need that.

Yeah, like all the games they announced this fall, none of them speak to you, switch pro. you know like all like Pokemon brilliant diamond isn't going to push the switch pro pro warrior weary isn't that game super Mario or super Mario Party not super Mario Party Mario Party Superstars isn't that game like none of the games coming out this fall are switch pro ass games I think though too like just because you have the hardware doesn't mean you're going to have the software that's going to fully utilize the hardware and I think that's the other thing we have to like the kind of counterpoint to that like you could argue that for current next gen right we only have like two full on exclusives for the PS5 where they're

taking advantage of the SSD. So I think even if Nintendo does drop more powerful hardware, it'll still take a little while to get stuff that's fully utilizing it. I think you might only get that through, like, also exclusives, not to be the whole, oh, like, multi-plod is holding back games, because I kind of hate that take. But, I mean, there is a little bit of truth to that. I wouldn't call it holding back,

but, like, the fact is it's different and hits different. And when there is an exclusive, they bring out all the bells and whistles to kind of justify that. So, and then I think the other thing to remember, too, is how powerful can you make it if it's still a handheld? and we don't know if it's going to be a doc only I don't know we just it's so up in the air

the reports have been that it's going to be like a 4K thing what is connected to the TV and it's going to have like slightly higher resolution when you have it handheld and like the reports have been also that they want to launch it with some sort of lineup of games what that looks like who knows but for Nintendo I'm sure their whole thing is that they want to be able

to resell it to people that have a switch already like they want to basically double what the switch numbers are right now and the way that they do that is probably going cool Breath of Wild 2 is going to look so much better on a Switch Pro. Whatever the next big Mario game is, same thing as well. Mario,

or Pokemon Legends, Archaeus, going to look so much better and run so much better on the Switch Pro. I think that's the message they probably want for it. Yeah, and I think it goes back to the question for me of like, cool, is it maybe delayed into 2022 because software isn't there and they want to have some more manufacturing

go on in the background while there's still a chip shortage. Well, also Shreier kind of mentioning that the Mario Plus Rabbits trailer was on upgraded hardware because it not only looked nicer, it didn't look like a 720P trailer being shown to us. It looked crisper and

more like a more of an HD game that we've normally seen from Nintendo. Don't get me wrong, whenever Nintendo shows trailers, the visuals are always really pretty and nice and they have fantastic art style, but it always looks like a bit lower res than what you'd want. So the rumors that that Rabid's trailer was on the newer upgraded

version of the hardware. Kind of gives me hope, but you know, it's in devs hands. It was also pre-alpha footage, though, so I don't know how much that is, like, not that it's going to look drastically different, I think, either, but, yeah, I don't know. Personally, I wasn't, I didn't see the

rabbit's footage and say this could not be a switch, but, you know, I'm getting the switch regardless if it comes out. I mean, I was in the camp of being excited when they just released a slightly different skew with, like, I think, did it have, like, more memory, or it had something, more battery life. I think a tiny bit of better battery life.

And like, I didn't go out and buy another switch for that. But when they dropped the Animal Crossing thing, I'm like, okay, this is a win-win for me. So, like, I'm definitely all in on Switch Pro. I would like it to exist because I play the Switch enough that, and I've had it since day one, that I would love any form of an upgrade, especially if I just offset the cost by just trading in my current model. But we'll see. I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of things I would buy from Nintendo if they had them for sale. Nintendo's about to have a banger year when it comes to multiplayer games.

like monkey ball Mario party Wario Ware and Mario Golf like we're about to have a lot of fun together playing games you know and I think that that's that's really cool you had the single player of of a Metroid and then you know a couple other things that if they speak to you here or there whether it's Shinemagame or Fatal Frame

and things like that that are that are kind of cool but I'm really really excited for the multiplayer stuff they got coming on top of like Skyward Sword and these games that are just kind of like yeah they're there too you know are you guys planning on playing through Skyward Sword? Oh, yeah.

I think I'm going to pick up Skyward Sword. I think it's going to add some cool context to Breath of Wild 2, you imagine also, which could be a cool thing. And I do want to shout out Jeff Rubb on Twitter, mentioned that with some of the trepidation about does Breath of Wild 2 even hit next year, it might be worth it for Nintendo to hold a Wind Waker remaster or like a Twilight Princess remaster for next year just in the case that Breath of Wild 2 doesn't make it, which I think makes a lot of sense. Yeah.

It would be great. It'd fine throughout that Wii U. It's just taking them some of these. Absolutely. Well, any closing thoughts, guys, on Nintendo? Is anyone going to buy that Zelda Game & Watch? Be honest. No.

I'm not going to, I would not buy it. That's one of those things where, if they send it to me, like I'll do the unboxing video or whatever like I did with the Mario one. But yeah, yeah, that's not on my buy list, unlike a lot of these other things that I am going to buy. I'd like to you, but I'm not going to spend the money. You're not going to touch you. Yeah. No, you're not.

I have the Mario one and I don't play it. And I, like, would play the Zelda one even less. I will encourage people, though, play Skyward Sword to get your Zelda fixed this year. And then maybe Skyward sort of maybe for some story stuff will be important for Breath of the Wild 2 next year. So just saying, give it a chance. It's a fun story. Maybe not the best Zelda 3D game. But it's so fun time.

And you don't have to use hand or you don't have to use motion controls, which is the big thing. I did not like the motion controls when I played that on Wii. If Brother of the Wild 2 does actually hit 2022, which seems like they're, a little bit hesitant on confidence there based on the wording and Horizon gets delayed, quote unquote, it does not only announce, but, you know, delayed from the holiday goal they have. We will be once, we are almost there. History repeating itself. The game's coming out at the same time and just like the old shows y'all did, just copy and paste

them over. It's the same thing. Compare the open world. It's going to happen. We could reuse a God of War to that equation as well. The bigger question is if God of War and Legend of Zelda, Breath of Law, too, hit next year what are those game of the year conversations about to look like people are

about to box I'm gonna be more important of like you right now more than ever right now right at place and Eldon ring holy shit and Starfield fuck next year's gonna be crazy while that shit hits oh Greg he's getting delayed because he's he's off a little bit

like Greg what are you about to say he's matter go ahead Greg's angry sorry Greg he's pissed off he's dealing with bad internet I thought I'm angry. I just don't want to ruin the fucking show, but you have to make a big deal about it,

don't you, Andy? He's pissed, dude. He's so mad. Max say you jokes. They were you saying. And now it's more pedal to metal over at Gorilla. Like,

get Horizon out this fucking year. So it doesn't get run over again by Zelda next year. Yeah, I saw a tweet like a week ago where somebody was like, hey, if I was guerrilla, I would just keep that date until after Nintendo announces when Breath of Wild is and then it's a lot of sense. Drop Horizon.

And then there's Halo, right? Like, I mean, I think HAL is going to be in a very different conversation in terms of, I don't think it's going to reach game of the year type conversations. But even just in terms of mind share and stuff, like market share, if this year is right now the question of Horizon and HALO, like, are they going to hit this year or get bumped to next? And then you look at next. You do have Starfield and Eldon, Reagan, Bethlehild and Wild and all that's like, damn. 2022 sounds nuts. Yeah.

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