Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Hollow Knight: Silksong Review (FINAL) - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

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What's up and welcome to the kind of funny games cast for Friday, September 19th, 2025. Of course, I am your host, Tim Getty's. I am joined today by the sad boy himself, Barr, Courtney. What up to me? What's up? And rounding out the group, we have the nitro rifle, Andy Cortez. We're so close to, Tim. Yeah. What are we close to? Andy? We're so close to greatness. I mean, this isn't even an alleged thing. This is, like, semi-legit. This is a legit thing. So now, for people that don't know, we've been talking about the different like handheld devices for a while now, the retroid pockets. That's the retrooid pocket flip. Retroid pocket flip two.

Beautiful audio listeners. It's like a cool little like looks like a flip Game Boy, but it's GameCube colors. It's sick as hell. It's very, very cool. But there's been a breakthrough in the last couple weeks where there's been a breakthrough where Roger sent me a link and was like, hey, there's this program called Game. Hub that allows you to log in legitimately with like your your Gmail or whatever the hell and then you log into your Steam account and it's like hey whatever games you own you can download and play on your Android device and we're so close to greatness like there's a couple things like

it's getting constant updates it's such a brand new thing but the updates are fast and furious with how quickly they're working on shit and it would be really nice to not have to lug around a device as big as the Steam deck to play some of these smaller games. You know, Hades 2. Holy shit. It's like the perfect time for a device like this. Yeah, like I mean, like the quality that we have. Oh, that looks so pretty.

Is this an Oled? Yeah, this is an OLED display on this device. That's stupid. Yeah, it looks, it looks freaking amazing. And it's running like almost perfectly. It doesn't have my cloud save yet. So I just kind of started a new game and started running it, but it is freaking beautiful. You could also just.

played on the switch too. Yeah, screens kind of, you know, the screen's kind of light. Kind of like gray, a lot of grays there, you know.

I'm just saying if you won't want something as bulky, oh, sure, sure, no, I just mean, like, you know,

you're gonna put that thing in your case. I mean, I put this, I put the retrooid pocket of my front pocket of the backpack and it's just like, oh,

I thought you meant you're like, yeah, oh, I mean, here's the, like, you haven't seen me? Is that a retrood pocket?

What? You take them X rails, plug it into that thing. Oh, my God. Now you're playing with power, baby. Oh, my God, Tim. Get the hell out of town. Remember everybody.

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on Switch First, but then eventually other consoles as well. There was a physical release of the PC version of Hollow Night 1, and I think that's nifty. Wow, I didn't know that. An actual disc. Good for them.

Was it like the fat-ass box? I don't know, but that'd be pretty sick. I love that. Stay on COBS USA back in the day. Yeah, dude. Graphics cards used to go so hard. I don't want to buy a graphics card unless it's on the box.

I mean, I'm just talking about PC game boxes. They're chunky boys, man. I need to tell you guys something. What's up? Tell us to me. Many years ago, many moons ago, a young man with a lot less white in his beard beat a game called Cuphead. And he felt really good about himself.

It was a big day for the country. Yeah. Later. We all came together. Years later, that same boy. He fell in love with the game called Seafood. He thought he couldn't. do it. He thought it was going to beat him, but he eventually beat it.

And then he went on to platinum that motherfucker. And then three people beat you and beat that boy in a race. That's okay. That's okay. That's all right. You know, no problem. I showed up. It was by like 10 minutes, though. You know what I'm saying? I beat it, though. Even in that race, I beat it again. And that platinum is not easy. Yes. And as of last night, that boy has beat Holonite Silk song. Act two. But I hit credits, baby. I hit fucking credits.

I locked the fuck in the last three days. Last time I saw Andy, I was just at the end of Act 1. And I beat it and I got so infatuated. I'm like, gee, we ain't watching anything tonight. I'm so sorry. It's lock in time. And I must have played 16 hours in the last couple days.

Dude, chat, this is no, I am not a small feat. I am not exaggerating here. When I tell you, I was stunned by, the amount of stuff I was telling them and he's like, I have no idea what that is. And I was like, okay, well, maybe you aren't aware of the words that I'm using,

but let me show you. And he's like, I don't know what any of this shit is. I was like, have you fought this boss? He's like, no, no,

I haven't. And I was like, dude, you, whoa, like, yeah, there is a laundry list of shit.

You got a dude just to kind of finish act one. And I would, I was like, Tim, you should probably just look up shit to do before you finish act one. Because right now, like, there's just,

you're not going to get there in time. It was crazy because what happened was, I had that conversation with Andy, and I was like, I just can't believe it. He was showing me things, and he's like, oh yeah,

I had that forever. I think you were wrong about a couple of the things about when you got them because I ended up getting them pretty later, even after where I was. But also,

I had like a lot of the weird collectible things that get you the next thing that get the stuff you were showing me. I had like four out of five, three out of five. And then I got them quickly and then all of a sudden I'm like, oh,

we're here. And then yeah, when I beat act one, I was like, oh my God, I just kept playing. And then I was talking to Barrett, I'm like, this is where I'm at an act too. Can I get it done by review? And he's like, I don't know, but maybe. Maybe if you lock it. If you lock it yesterday. And I can't believe it. And I have so many questions. I'm not going to, well, you know, don't want to get into spoilers at all. But I, I need to know what happens next because I'm confused as hell. But anyway, I can't wait to talk all about that stuff, Tim. And just as a reminder, we will not. say a single spoiler until after the ads. And it's not even a spoiler cast.

It's just like we want to talk about specific bosses and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And specific things where we will name the character Marmaduke the grand. And you'll be like, oh, shit. I didn't know they were making a return from part one. So like we will be name dropping some stuff after the ads. But like, just for reference, I have yet to fully, fully beat the video game.

Barrett's like right there. I've been stuck on the final boss for the last couple of days. And so we're like, you know, before the ads, not a single mention of stuff. We're just going to talk about things that you all want to talk about questions about, you know, is this a good one to start off with? What do you reckon? All that, all those little generalize generalized questions. All of that stuff.

So with all of that out of the way, I do want to get to our actual thoughts about this video game. I feel like it's only right to start with Andy Cortez, who. Wasn't on holiday from day one, but was the first it kind of funny to really get into it first to beat it

and first to kind of make it your entire personality and lifestyle. I was late adopter Tim, 2021. Don't remember a whole lot about the video game

aside from a couple of boss fights and immediately saw the light and saw why all the hype is there and saw why, oh shit,

thank God I got into this thing late because soaks on to drop any day now with how long, you know, It's 2021 already. You know, people demoed it two years ago in 2019. Any day now, I'm glad I got in late.

That way I don't have a long wait for it, you know. Exactly, exactly. And here we are. Many years later. The weight is over. You have beat the game at least up to the credits. You don't even. There's more.

There's always more. Yeah, you saw credits. Yeah. What would you give Hollinette Silk song on that kind of funny scale? I would give Hollenite Silk Song. Dang, I wasn't even really prepared to give a score. I don't know why. Why wasn't I prepared to give a score?

Because it feels bigger than other games. It does. There's something of lofty about putting a number on Hollow Night Silk Song. I'm right there with you. It's putting a score on this style of art, you know. It's still gamified in a whole bunch of ways, obviously. It's, you know, it's boss fights and patterns and abilities and equipment and stuff that you would expect from action-packed video games. but there was just something so much larger than life about this title.

And I think for me, it's really hard to not say that this is a masterpiece. I would say, as of right now, when I give stuff a masterpiece, it's not because it's a perfect game, it's because whatever nitpicks I have are so vastly overshadowed by all of them. the greatness there. I didn't, I wasn't 100% in love with the combat and tears of the kingdom,

but everything else surrounding it just made me look at my nitpicks and go, but in the grand scheme of things, I don't even give a shit about these little problems that I have, because everything else is so masterful. Um, yeah, I would, I'd give this a 10 out of 10 so far. And it's, again, it's a so far thing. I'm about 70 hours in, give or take. I've played the, the game a lot. I, you know, the other days, some people were watching me stream and were like, well, damn, 65 hours. Like, yeah, but like, I let this shit idle a lot.

I'm drawing a lot of the characters. I also left my Steam deck running way too long one time without, without remembering that I left it running. So it's not that, it's not like around there, but I would remove several hours from it. It's, yeah, it's hard to look at this game and not go, holy shit. First off, how to team chair? follow up on one of the greatest Metroidbanias of all time

and kind of outdo themselves in a lot of different ways. I think this game could have only disappointed and the fact that it still stood up to all of those expectations and blew them out of the fucking water and blows you away with amazing cinematic moments

and story beats and NPC interactions all while having the The challenge and the amazing boss, I'd say we would expect, I mean, it's fucking crazy that they were able to do this. Games amazing. Barrett, you did not play Hollow Night 1.

You jumped straight into the sequel, Silk Song. I did. Before I give my review, an important question from the chat from Jeff Grub, are you the one drawing all the hornets with huge asses, Andy? I usually go,

I usually go for the hangers. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Jesus Christ. That cloak is not hiding much, Jeff Grave. I'll tell you one. Yeah, I did not play Hollow Night much to many people's chagrin before jumping into Hollow Night's Silk Song. And that's because, you know, I still have a love and passion for 2D Metroidvania games. You know, I love Guacamale and just other 2D games in general.

We have a shared love with Cuphead. And recently in the last few years, I've also given myself to From Software Games, Souls like games, right? Really fell in love with Eldon Ring, beat Dark Souls 1 for the first time this year. And so with all of those kind of interests outside of Hollow Night, kind of I was feeling the hype for this one and really wanted to check it out, especially like even just in the trailer seeing like the move set that comes with Hornet. I was like, oh, this is popping off a nice little fireworks in my head, right? And so with all of that going into this game,

I have just been loving every moment with it, even when I'm banging. my head against the wall with like a gauntlet fight that took me eight to nine hours, right? Banging my head against the wall against the final boss, but I'm loving every moment of it. And not just with the fights, but just the exploration of what you would expect of a Metroidvania. And with inspirations from, you know, Souls like games, right? Like even though this does have a lot of, you know, the Metroidvania design in getting lost and then realizing how certain things connect after you get an item. I think there's a flow in the world and how the world unveils itself to you that feels much more on that like soul's side than it does a Metroid divania, even though at the end of the day it is on paper, just that, right?

The world is so fascinating and cool. Love all the critters. Love the art design and style. The combat, I think, is really superb in terms of just all the systems that come with it, all the different builds. all the different builds, even though it's not technically an RPG, right, with like different builds that you can do in like an Eldon Ring, but so many different tools and items where I've seen bosses be taken down in such different ways than I did, I think is really fascinating. I love the character and the, the character's an overall story and the kind of message that has

come with this game that I find fascinating, which we can talk a little bit about later, just to not give spoilers. But yeah, I think even with some of my, my gripes, right? Like, I think some of the, uh, economy system is a little whack. Uh, I think personally for me, this is something I felt with Bloodborne and this is like, just a personal thing is like, I don't love the kind of tool shard system. I don't love like, you know, all right, I'm locked into a fight and, uh, you know, I'm, I'm going to just try to focus on this boss. Well, now I've run out of shards. So now I got to go back into the world and grind out. I think little stuff like that can be annoying, but I think overall the vision that Team Cherry had for this game, and this is someone who

came into this game with no expectation from Holo Night, I also think this is a 10 out of 10 masterpiece. Timothy Getty's. How about you? This game is so special. I feel like we're just so privileged to have so many amazing video games of different sizes and scopes in the last year come out that are just so mind-blowingly awesome and different. and like I keep saying special,

but it's really what this is. Like every single frame of this game I put on my wall. Like there's so much love and care put into the art of the game. And it's not just the visuals, although this might be the most attractive game I've ever seen. Like this is just so up my alley when it comes to visual design and seeing each of the NPCs. I'm just like, I want to meet them all because they're all just so weird.

And they're weird looking. They sound weird and everything about it just feels like designed. and it's just unbelievable that a team of people can have such a shared vision to create something like this, that around every corner you're meeting something fantastic and you don't know if it's going to fight you or hug you. And either way, it's interesting. You know what I mean? Exactly.

And I feel like there's such a compelling world that feels like it's living and makes all of the movement and combat worth it for how difficult so much of it is from the jump. but it's relentless. Like, it never stops. Like, I feel like there is not any sense of a difficulty curve in this game. It's just all out of 10 the entire time. And that's very cool. And I think it makes every single moment feel scary.

Like, when you think about Metroids, right? Like, it's the sense of isolation and being alone. And we always talk about, like, the atmosphere. But can't spill atmosphere without fear. Just came up with that right now. Oh, nice. It is scary. You know what I mean?

I think that so much of the, the vibes of Metroid are when you feel like you're in total control of an area because you've been here a million times. But when you go to a new area for the first time, you don't know what's coming up against you. You don't know what weird effect they might have or the patterns of the way these enemies move. And this game just has that, but with such a distinct visual style that it just adds so much more where in addition to wanting to progress the game, I'm also like, I don't want, as scared as I am to go to this next room, I have to because I need. to see what it looks like. You know,

I need to see what this next biome looks like. The loop there is just so satisfying. And the combat just feels good. I like how simple the game is, like in terms of your, your movesets, but you have enough abilities to kind of add on top of it

and choose between that change up the gameplay way more dramatically than I would have ever expected from a fairly simple 2D character that has one attack button, really, you know? but just being able to change the speed or range of the swipes, like that little thing makes such a big difference

when the boss fights are this well designed and are designed for that pinpoint accuracy. So so much of that is incredible as a huge Metroidvania fan. Like this is one of the goats. Like this is up there for all the reasons that make Metroidvania special, the sense of progression of abilities, the moments of seeing somewhere,

knowing you're going to be able to come back and get through it the next time you get, upgrade and then you get an upgrade and it's not that one and you're like fuck i'm going to have to remember that for later this game makes that stuff lore in a way that i find really interesting and i felt like i was constantly drawn back to wanting to do every single thing before i moved on and that's always the sign that i love a game right is like wanting to 100% and that's why when i was talking to and he's like how do you not know any of these things i'm like i don't know i'm doing everything um but i i think it's crazy that i was convinced

that I had the map fully opened like four times in this game. And I'm not saying like, oh, then there was a story beat and no, there's this whole other area. I'm saying like the map that I have that I feel like I have full access to, there was a little nook that I missed and a cranny over there that turns into

three more biomes. And it's like, wow, there was no lack of content in this game, whether it's areas, bosses, all of that. I gave Hollow Night multiple shots in the first hour or so over the years because of how much I loved the look of this game. Like I remember the first time

I even seen this in, uh, indie worlds, uh, Nintendo direct thing. And I was like that this game looks like everything I could ever want. But playing it, it wasn't.

It was way too brutally difficult and way to just vague and open. This game, I think from the jump doesn't solve all of that, but it is way more of a Metroidvania immediately and you're way more nimble and powerful immediately, uh, as opposed to the first game. And just the fact that she talks,

you know and like she has more of a character. I didn't play a holiday. I don't know what that all turns into. From the get go in this game, I felt more like, okay, this is what I was looking for from. There's more of a connection there.

Yeah. And I love it. I love Hornets character. Love the look. Love the vibe of the voice and just everything she says. It feels epic in scale for this little bug world. I want to know everything about the world. And that's cool because months ago I was saying,

Jake Baldino and I, we're having a conversation about Expedition 33 and it's been so long like decades maybe since I found a new world that I'm like I want to read the novels I want to see the TV show I want more of this world and with Hollow Night I'm like the same thing

I can't wait to go back and play Hollenite 1 now I can't wait to watch lore videos that you recommend like I am so in and I just I want to know more about all of that I'm going really long here but to get to my score I do think that it's very difficult to score this game because I think

that at the end of the day, this is going to be one of my favorite games of all time. How high up the list, I'm not so sure. The biggest thing for me, though, is that this game has so many 10 out of 10 masterpiece qualities. Probably, I mean, definitely more than anything else. But

I do think that the pacing of how the economy works, the amount of just grinding you have to do to keep up. The longer you play this game, the better it gets. That's how games work. It's how much Ravanias get. You get more powerful. Makes things easier. I understand all of that. I feel like I was wasting a lot of time in this game

where I wasn't having fun facing a boss. I wasn't having fun doing the run back. And I think that getting rid of those things would not detract from the game whatsoever and would have just made my experience from the 9 out of 10, amazing that I'm going to give Hollow Night, to be the 10 out of 10.

Because I understand developer intent. I understand all of it and the people that love it and are like, I beat it, I did it and I'm so proud of myself, good for you. I beat it. I'm very, very proud. of myself. At the same time, I feel like I would have been happier if every single boss just did took half as much damage to take out. Like I, I think that this could have been a hard

mode in the game. I grew up playing devilmaic cry. There was Dante must die mode, but there was also just a mode I could play and not hate myself. But the people that did that, they're so proud of themselves and they deserve it. And that's great. I really just think that if this game had more options, I think it would help the game flow. It would help a lot of the problems I have with it. I know I'm not alone, but I also know that I'm not who this game was designed for exactly, and I was up to the challenge

to do it anyways, and I plan to see this through to the end. Like, I really, I mean, if I can, I, so far, I've been lucky with a couple of the fights, but I definitely want to see after you to the end if it, and I think I'll be able to, because so far it doesn't seem like it's getting harder.

So, yeah, yeah, I think yeah, the, with all the criticisms, it definitely feels at times like not in a bad way as we say with Bethesda but in some ways in terms of the Souls, Metroidvania type of stuff that this was developed kind of in a silo. And you know, they talked a little bit about that of like them

just kind of like keeping their head down and working on this game with their vision. But I do think that comes with some of the like, you know, I think Remap Radio were the ones to talk about like it would be cool to have like a stake of America type of thing here where it's like after you die, you either choose to reload at the boss or go back to your last bench or something like that. Little things here and there that I think would have helped this feel even more like something that is learned not just from Holonite

but other Metroidvania's and other really tough games that have come out in like the last decade. It's, it's, it's, the other day I was thinking about like, how basic of a take. this is about to be and how like SEO this sounds but this really does feel like the Eldon Ring of Metroidvania's

and like it's the most like basic ass I feel embarrassed even saying it it's one of those things where you just see like some account that's just trying to farm engagement saying something like that Eldon ring of Metroidvania's question mark Hollow Knight Silk song is the Elder Ring of Metroidvania's because the other day what was that oh my gosh there was a fantastic

IGN tweet that Tamor Hussein responded to with like a what where it was like what Elder Ring did to Bloodbore Hollow Night does to Silk's I forgot what it was and tomorrow was just like what does the fuck does that mean?

But that I mean it's legitimately how I feel with how the game just keeps on opening up keeps on mesmerizing me He keeps on shocking me with a new area and going, how far does this area go? Then there's a map piece. Oh, shit, this is a whole new zone. I would have never expected that to have been here in this spot.

It just, it continues to give and give. And it, like I was telling Tim, it's the game that the more you give it, the more it'll give back with. If you do the game, the service of exploring as much as you can, you will be rewarded for it. You will fight a boss

that'll give you six beads or some bullshit but that boss will lead you to a zone that you'll have a new item that you can then unlock and that item might be really crucial for whatever next challenges you want to take on. That's super staggering. I do just want to say in response to the, is this the Eldon Ring of Metroidvanias?

that like I am a little surprised at how much at the end of the day like this is it's a Metroidvania like Silk Song it's like I have we played ory the will of the wisp's like Prince of a person lost crown it's like so much of like just it being fucking hard to me is like really where the Eldon Ring part of it comes into it and like because all the looping around to the areas and stuff it's like yeah like the two games are just named like do that I think just well as this and that's again compliments to games that I absolutely love and there's some all-timers, but I think more so, less

of like the Metroidvania design that makes it like, is it the Eldon Ring? And more so just like, you know, you're set up with like a very clear goal. Like there is a very Eldon Ring from soft moment in this game where you think you're building up to this one goal the entire time and

you are presented it as like, oh, this is the end game. You know, this is the pretty area that you think is going to be the final kind of run of the game. And then the game goes, you silly bitch no like this isn't the end game what are you talking about and so i think

they're the way that like the kind of almost like the the story and world uh kind of unveils itself to you in certain ways i think is more so of like the comparison to maybe not just the eldering but like just more so of like almost story design uh and story pacing uh very from soft in that respect

that's how i see it at least I saw it as just, like, I'm still unlocking a new zone this late, and this zone is still this expansive. Yeah. And this zone still has this many secrets in it. That's where I kept on being kind of amazed of like, man, how much larger will this continue to go? And, you know, seeing some comparisons to the old hollow night map and going, oh, my gosh, like, this is, this really is a very, very large video game. And the way that it keeps opening up in really interesting ways. and the amount of secrets and side quests that there are that you will not even get,

you know, these are not things that you're going to get on your task board, on your mission board. These are not going to be side quests that pop up for you that are pretty deliberate and pointed in saying, here's what you need to do for this. Collect five of those things, collect 10 of these things. There are so many things to do outside of that that do not pop up as a video game mission. and that's the stuff that I really, really love. I mean, that stuff is just so fucking cool. I know so many people got mad at some clips that were going around without spoiling things.

Things that are negative against you. It's like surprise negative stuff. You know, like you think you're safe. You're not safe. Oh, right. And I love those moments. It's like that's so frustrating. But like I feel like this game peppers them in in the right amount and doesn't overdo that type of sheer fucking bullshit stuff.

where I will say that Bench trap right like that's what I was alluding to yeah but otherwise

there's so many just joyful moments of just like characters popping up and you're like oh shit and then it's like oh they're on my side

like so many fun little things where it does feel like every character you talk to has a reason for happening and everything they say is going to come back

and have consequence at some point and not just with you in the world but with them themselves and like the the journeys that they'll go

on and you'll run into them in areas you wouldn't have expected them to, you know? And like in a lot of other games, you would meet them in their location and that's where they're at for the rest of the game. And, you know, like maybe they're doing stuff and have little character moments where you meet them. But, you know, we're running into, you know, Sherma and Chakra in different points and kind of checking in with them on, on their journey and even more characters that have way more vague kind of quest stuff going on with them. I think it's really special and helps make the world feel, I think. think way more alive and feels like it exists even without you, right?

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That's something I didn't love in Bloodborn as well, right? Whereas, like, your healing item and your shotgun shells or your gun shells, like you need to kind of go out and farm. It's like if you're going up against a boss and then you run out of those after a certain amount of temps. I think, like, that flow can be really frustrating. And, but it's also, I know, a personal thing because then I'll just get hard-headed. And you know this. It's like, maybe I should go out and explore the world and go grind a

little bit and go collect shards or beads to buy the shard bundles or whatever. But I'm just fully giving into just no tooling this final boss. And I'm, I'm a few hours in of just like, all right, I've run out of my my cool little useful guys that fly around. A little drone guys. Yeah, the cog flies. Are game changer. Yes. I've ran out of those. I've run out of other things that I usually use and something that I want to bring up, this is really what my point is here of Lord Jonas in the chat saying, they create a design that teaches you as you play in subtle ways. You don't even notice because that's how good the design is.

And I love that like, yeah, the world kind of teaches you how to deal with bosses in very subtle ways in terms of attacks from normal enemies that you might see in similar ways with the boss. And that's why I get so hardheaded in some of these boss fights where I'm like, no, I've learned this. And I can figure this out without needing the reliance. on tools, which is why I was stuck in that gauntlet fight in the high halls for hours and hours and hours, because I was like, I know I can get this. And that's where I'm at with the final boss

where I'm going in with no tools, just my wit and just learning this boss over and over again where I think I've seen, I think the final phase, like I can get there pretty consistently, but maybe there's another phase after that. I don't, like, I'm not even convinced that this is the final final boss, you know, so I'm a little worried about that, but that's, uh, you know, a lot of people have been commenting of like, oh, bear getting stuck on things like for hours and hours and hours. And that's what,

like, it's just my personal stubborn stuff. But that's also, I love that of, you know, getting to a boss and being like, oh, man, I can't rely on stuff.

But having the ability to kind of see, see through the Matrix a little bit and knowing like, I can do this. I can figure this out without having to go out and grind for shards, which I find very annoying.

And maybe I will give in to that at one point, but that's where I'm at right now in terms of endgame stuff. A favorite meme that I mentioned on stream the other day, Tim, was, uh, it was like a two-part meme and it was like the first image was somebody gifting, somebody a gift and it was metal shards. And the guy said, oh, thank you for the garbage or something.

Like, give me, give me rosary beans. Who gives about, who gives a shit about these? And then it says, now that you're in the late game and it's, uh, Tom Holland saying, I need my shards. Or I need my tools. If you're nothing without your tools that you're, You're nothing at all. Exactly.

And that's what I love just giving into that and giving into the fight in a way that doesn't feel. And not to say that tools are like cheesing, but tools kind of help you figure things out in ways where you don't need to figure out everything pixel perfect in terms of reaction. You can kind of reset yourself and, you know, let a boss run into, you know, poison spiked or like your cog flies fly at them or something like that. And I love just giving into, I want to read this piece, Moise's, is Traveris wrote a piece about Hollow Night Silk Song and like the ballet essentially. And I just love giving into the dance of it all. There is one boss that I don't think you've gotten to yet

that I think is the best boss in the game. And it does feel like this flowing kind of active, reactive ballet. And that's what the final boss is feeling like for me as well. And I love just figuring that puzzle out and figuring out what is the choreography to all of this. And goddamn this is such a good game. Yeah. I mean, the way some of the surprises keep on coming,

and like when we talk about what Tim just went through at the end of Act 2 or yeah at the end of Act 2 Are we getting to spoilers? Yeah. Who's calling now? Yeah, I would say so. From here on out everybody,

full spoilers for Hollow Night Silk Song. None of us have fully beat it, but we're going to be talking about stuff. I won't talk about like the final, final stuff because Andy still hasn't got there yet. So I want him to be able to react to that. You know, I I just love the

cinematics and the drama leading up to that to those final moments. Oh my God. I think the way it's all sort of paste out story-wise is so damn beautiful. Lace, man.

That fight with lace at the end. The, the conversation of life and creation. You, like, she favored you anyway. Like, oh my God. Yeah, her feeling like this heartbreak.

She's, from what I can understand, this just being created out of silk, right? From grandmother's silk and her feeling like this daughter that's being thrown away. But then even the continued stuff after that, right, is like, it's really great of like this emotional kind of like three, four, five punch of like what who lace is, what her connection is with grandmother silk. It's, it's really phenomenal. Yeah. And then getting to that fight. Like that fight was. one of my favorites in the game so far.

Like, it was so sick. I love even... The field of flowers. The, oh my God, it's... So, metal gear. So, come on. It's so fucking good. But the final fight, the final fight of that two, at least, is so epic of Hornet looking away from the camera and, like, fighting that way. That looks so sick.

The soundtrack. The soundtrack's popping off. But when you do the final bind, and your silk just starts growing and grow and growing... And your mask gets cooler. Off the fuck. fucking screen. I'm like, holy shit, dude, I forgive this game for all of it since. Like, that's just so amazing, man. Yeah, it's those moments that, that are the memorable moments that stick with you for sure. And, you know, going into it, when, when Barrett told me, I beat the game,

but I don't really think I beat the game. I think I got the bad ending. And I was like, all right, so it's like every, like what a lot of these stories do, a lot of Dark Souls games do, what Hollow Night does. it's there are you going to continue the status quo are you going to just with you just continue the system that going are you going to be the one to break the wheel and kind of like change the be the the the the one who starts all are you going to do the basic elden ring thing or are you going to like do ranny's quest yeah and and all of that stuff is just still so well done and the way that it's framed and structured here is certainly way more different than what i. experience with a lot of endings like this.

Because I just wasn't sure what I was in store for. I wasn't sure what I was assuming that I may have been able to do something different, but no, the first ending is you get that ending. Yeah. That's the option that you have. You can't have done anything different in the lead-up to that final fight to change this destiny or whatever. and then you go back in and your save is still up and you go okay so I'm starting right before this fight

there's a lot of other stuff I could have cleaned up let me go do some cleanup missions or whatever and the way that these things are kind of secretly you know very vaguely hinted at in terms of what you need to do that is one thing like I don't you know I there is an act three which you know I think makes it even just the implication of act one and two right like be weird to only have two acts in a story, right? I don't love how you have to unlock Act 3. I think it's still kind of very vague and stuff. Can I jump in here?

Yeah, because that's where I'm at. Yeah. Like, I'm at this place where I have spent the last couple days, specifically, like, playing the fuck out of this game. Like, when I flew to Paris, I played hours and hours and hours. But it really was the last couple days that I was like, I'm locking in. I'm like focusing on getting this done, trying to do this.

And finishing Act 2, the entire thing felt like a Metroidvania. I always felt like I knew where I was supposed to go at all moments. And that's good. It's good game design of looking at the map. There's, okay, cool. There's an opening here. I can check that out. That's probably going to take me where I need to go.

Whatever. As you start getting into act two, it's very clear, okay, you got to collect the three things, right? Good. I understand all this. All of that set me up to get to this boss fight. I fight the boss. I get the ending cinematic. It's type as shit.

Credit's hit. Okay, cool. This feels like a bad ending. I also heard there's an act. three and all this shit. But credits roll. And then when I come back, I expected some level of,

hey, there's an act three, like an act three title hit or something or, hey, some character talking to me, even like the person next to the bench just being like, hey, go do this.

Right now I'm like, what do I do? Yeah, I would have loved a bigger push from, you know, the guy in the robe in song clave being like, and he does have a very vague conversation where he kind of notices

at one point, if you've done enough quests from like the boards from each of the towns, he'll be like, hey, you've been helping a lot of people out. That's cool. You're cool. It's like, oh, thanks, man. And then you keep doing quests. And then eventually, if you've done, I think it's like all of the

town quests from the boards and then... Not all of them. Not all of them? No, there's a, like, a great super chat here from Damon Cooper, 19 months. Or not even a super chat, just becoming a member for 19 months on YouTube, says something that I didn't know that you can get the Silk and Soul,

and Silk and Soul is the secret mission quest. Yeah, gets you act three. That gets you to the start of Act Three. And says, you can get that before finishing the game for the first time. That's how I completed it. I didn't get the quote unquote bad ending. The first I need, or I didn't get the quote unquote bad ending first and need to replay the story to get that achievement.

See, I thought it was a requirement to beat the game first to even like have Act 3 be an option. as well. That's crazy. So the way I was able to do it was by doing a lot of the board missions. I had to clear for him to even wave me down. This just seems so unnecessarily obtuse for a game that isn't obtuse. Yeah. Like I don't understand. Like, just tell me,

hey, clear the messages. Then I'll do that. That's what I've been doing last night because I didn't want to go to sleep. I wanted to keep playing. I wanted to hit Act 3. I was like, where the fuck is it? But yeah, oh, that's so, okay, so I need to do Most of the things, but not all of them. I only have like three left, I think. Yeah, most of those, you need to keep collecting fleas. And there are some specific fleas, I think, you need to get for them to move.

Because where are they for you right now? I don't know. Are they at the entrances? Also, I had to fucking roast Tim on stream the other day. Oh, damn. Because Tim was like, oh, yeah, the fleas asked me if I wanted to join them on the journey. I said no. I was like, why the fuck would you say no?

Because I knew the fleas. Well, because, well, like, do you want to go with it? them. No, I didn't want them to move me up. I don't know where the fuck they're going on the nap. I should do. That could have deleted a boss for you. Well, you don't know that me saying no? Is it going to trigger a boss otherwise? You give into the game, all right? It's just ending, Tim. I know, but when I'm in an area, I'm trying to

complete everything. I'm like, I know I went left. There's a right. I need to go through and get whatever's in that room. I don't know where these fleas are taking me. Tim, if Gia tells you, I need to go to the grocery store and you're at their grocery store and you're shopping for shit and you're like, man, I've got to find all this stuff for fur and then fucking you know Lunar de Caprio walks and he goes hey Tim let's go to let's go to my pad you go fuck the grocery store

I mean I guess you're right you're making a lot of sense yeah yeah the main flea what happens if you go with the fleas they'll just take you they you know they go to their respective spot so the first place that they travel to is what is it Graymore

and so the the boss area that you have to fight that big like I forget what his name is More wing. More wing. If you just travel with them before you get to him, he just won't populate there. So that, like, essentially deletes him there. I think you have to fight him somewhere else.

So you delete the bosses. So I beat the boss. I got the boss. Okay, all right. You beat more wing. Right. I did. Yeah, I agree more.

And so I think, I forget if that happens as well with last judge. If, like, if you move them to, uh, what is it, the entrance of the citadel, if you have to fight last judge or not. But, um, see, yeah, I, yeah, I wasn't even sure that. that was an option. Yeah. But eventually you have to like essentially collect enough fleas

to get them to their final place where they're gonna stay for the rest of the game. I'm pretty fleed up. So I might be good. Yeah. I need to go check on those days. There's a couple of specific character fleas

that you might need as well. I got one big boy. You got the big flea? Okay. And then there's like a warrior flea. I forget what her name is. I think she's sick as home. She's really cool.

And she also sells you map. of like the rest of the Where are the fleas vibe in at right now? That's a great question. Because they're on the map. Yeah, I know. You can just find one. Yeah, yeah.

When I get home, that's going to be the first thing. Because they post up at where you fight the last judge. Oh, you know what? The one thing, I was saying this earlier of like, I keep finding parts of the map that I haven't been to. There are two whole areas that I didn't get to until after I beat Act 2. The, um,

something docks. Putrid. Putradox, and then underneath it. Where you want to be. Putridor ducks, yeah. Or ducks, yeah, sorry. Yeah. So I had that, and then there's the area underneath that.

Hell. Bile water. Yeah. You didn't do Bile water? Oh, man. Well, I didn't do Bial Water until I finished Act 2 as well. Yeah. Oh, wow.

Those were kind of tricky to get into. Like, I never thought I accidentally jumped up into it from like little savering or whatever. I forgot how I've got into Bial Water eventually, because I'm looking. the map right now. Putrid ducts or whatever it's called is where you want to be

for one of the final-ish flee things you need to do. Yeah. Okay. You find an important NPC there and then that

mpc can also tell you the locations of the rest of the fleas and she'll like mark them on the map for you. But you got to like buy the info from her. Yeah.

So I ended up doing that but you need most fleas based on the seems that's a contensis in chat that you need most of the fleas. I think it was like 20 for me that it finally popped that they moved

to their final location. And I found, yeah, I found putrefied ducks before finishing act two, but then yeah, I didn't learn about bio water until much later. Yeah, I think I got through there, through Sinners Road.

Yeah. And then there's also Chakra, I think you need to finish you need to get Chakra's quest, I think, is another thing for Act 3. I'm pretty sure. I ended up doing that.

I have a house now. Yeah, you do. I painted it blue. Oh, nice. Pretty sick. I should have painted mine red, but I went with the kind of the gold to just kind of fit. No, I went with silver. Because I just kind of wanted to, I didn't want to be the one house and the HOA comes after me and gets angry at me.

It's a nice house, yeah. Those delivery side quests. Those aren't fun. Yeah, I haven't fucked with those. Those aren't fun at all. Tip and trip or whatever. My favorite dudes, Mike and Rogers.

Dude's great. I fucking love. Every time they're just asleep, you whack them with the fucking, you know, um, the, there's one of them that's the hard,

one of the hardest ones that I have not done yet is, uh, leads you to Mount Faye. Oh, man. Yeah. Oh, yeah,

you don't freeze anymore, but I did the super quick one. I did the one that you have to do fast. Well, where it's like not, The meat like goes bad. The one that you have to take to one of the dudes You get you a needle upgrade.

Because he has the other oil there that you could take to Pinmaster Pliny. Yeah, I think I have two upgrades now. Nice. Yeah, that makes sense. Because you get the first one for saving Bell. Bell heart. And then the second one,

there's an oil that you can find somewhere in, what is it, the Citadel that's just like in a random room. The little gear spots. It's like a puzzle room. There's a puzzle room in the in the in the Citadelton that you end up pushing a lot of Like Wooden blocks on tracks. Yeah, and it's like a like Like there'll be a wooden block and if you whack it it go it moves to the left and it you see that it's on a track

And there might be one above you and if you hit that it might go up and the next oh yeah, I did that So did you got the oil up the yes. Okay, yeah, yeah, so but the other oil is with that old dude who's like, hey, find all these foods. And feed my master. Yeah. And yeah, the meat run from Pipp and Trip to get, because you can't fast travel with it. It's like it has like five things of health and you have to get there in a certain amount of time. And if you get hit, the ticks will go down.

And yeah, that's a tough one. What I ended up doing was my first attempt at it, like having the like faster running thing that uses silk. And then doing that run all the way up to the Citadel. And then I got hit near the end. And then it killed the meat. And I was like, God damn it. And I was like, well, what if I just not sit at a bench and kill all of these dudes and then just run back all the way back to Bellhart and then just do that run again with no enemies on the way? That's a smart call.

It was like another five, ten minutes of work, but it was made it worth it. But that gives you another oil thing to upgrade as well, which I highly recommend. Very, very helpful. Since we're talking full spoilers here. Favorite, you know, weapons and shit to use? Well, I was going to just go favorite boss. Oh, okay. Because it's my boy, Tramio.

Tramio! I fucking love this dude. I didn't want to kill him. I really didn't. And then when I did, and he just fucking poses his fireworks go off. I'm like, this is my guy. Well, you don't kill him. Spoilers.

Well, like, when he's on the ground there, if you walk off to the side of the screen. Does he trap door? No, he's just like, he looks up. And then he'll see that you're looking at him. And he's like, oh. I fucking love this guy. So great. That's also happy Chad told me to do that because I beat that one during the kind of funny stream.

Mm. And it was so funny when chat was like, Andy just walk off to the side of the street to the screen, but don't be. I never know. That's hilarious. And if you're far away from him, he'll be on the ground, but then he'll kind of look up and like kind of, you know, do the thing that kids do when they're trying to see if like anybody knows that they're asleep or whatever. It was really funny. That's so funny. Dude, yeah.

I loved him as a character. Like, he's my favorite boss. So Trobeo is the one who glitched out for me because he just flies. up and then he doesn't do his death pose and then I was just stuck in that boss fight arena like it doesn't unlock so I had to fight him again which I found really annoying because I didn't I love Trobeo's vibes

I love the idea of Trobeo him as a character most of his moves I actually do find fun but I hate how inconsistent like the ball is like orbs that he throws out of like how many times are they actually going to like bounce and all that stuff

very similar to the the bug that you fought that poops and like spits out like the little bouncy poops or whatever is very similar to that where it's just like I don't know what to learn here so I was running into a lot of uh uh frustration with trobeo yeah he was my favorite boss like character wise to just presentation but in terms of gameplay I actually really liked the act to the grandmother so grandmother silk yeah anytime there's just like lines of silk all over the screen and you have to like jump where it's not and like she had the double one of it I'm like this is fucking cool and like the even harder with the

double jump. Yeah. Oh, exactly. Yeah, yeah. It's so funny how the double jump gives you so much more flexibility, but gets the ability to just get into your float post so much harder. And like, it's a fun challenge. I actually like that. Yeah, it makes platform it. Like the platforming stuff so like tough in terms of like, I just want to flow here. Why? And then like you, it'll reset your double jump sometimes in ways you don't expect. I'm like, god damn it. Some people in chat had mentioned that that something got patched out where if you jumped with A but just held it and immediately that you would float and that would circumvent the double jump. I don't know how chill it is because some people are like, yeah, I think that works.

And then some people said that it did get patched out. I don't know if it ever did or not or whether that was true, but it can get kind of frustrating the, you know, you got to just hit that double jump real quick to get into the float. I'm not getting it. And Andy, you were a great motivator for me to like stick with this because like some of the earlier stuff was really fucking kicking my ass. in a way that wasn't fun. But you're like, there's this boss.

The cog work. Cog work dancers. And you're like, you got to get there. You got to get there. And I'm so happy I did. Because that was awesome. Yep. And heartbreaking.

Heartbreaking. It's like that was a standout boss fight. All time, not just this game. That was awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just like the whole it continuing to, you know, you think you've beaten it, but then the one is still dancing by itself.

And you're like, oh, I killed something beautiful here. Like, even though that they're kind of my enemies, it's like, ah, damn. And let me tell you, Tim, you don't even know half the story there. And it's even more heartbreaking. And you're like, goddamn. Yeah, I love the cogwork dancers. I would also recommend exploring before you do, like, unlock Act 3, Finding Sinners Road, if you haven't already. I did, yeah.

Did you unlock that one dude who's in jail? Yes. Okay, cool. I'm waiting for him. Go find, go explore around a little bit. You might run into him. Where should I explore? Citadel.

Citadel. Okay. I need, yeah, one of my challenges right now. I need to get four more pins from Citadel people. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, to collect for Tanclave. Yeah, there's, I think that the, I didn't really have a whole lot of bosses that I wasn't vibing with. I think maybe the one that I hated the most is probably Grohl.

Dave Grohl. And it just was annoying enough to be like, I hate, it's not only, it's only just hard, but It's doing stuff that is not fun and pissing me off. Yeah. And I'm at a part right now in the game where I am fairly, I'm getting close to the end game. But one of the annoyances I have right now is like, we have such great momentum.

Things are amazing. The last couple of things I did were just so awesome and fun and thrilling and just cinematic as hell. and now it's like you got to do the three things before the fight and it's another mob fight and I'm just like

oh we don't need one of those right now and let me tell you and I know that it's hard and I know that this is a get good situation but it's more of a pacing oh it's a pacing thing for me if you just introduced

if this end game was like all right you got to go fight the three things things and I walk into a room and Marmaduke the Grand walks through the door and it's like, oh shit, I've been hearing about you all game. But it's like, here's another mob fight. And it's like, oh, man, like, we were doing so great, you know? And yes, it's challenging. And I'm sure if I got through it on my first try, I wouldn't give a shit, but it's annoying

enough. So I'm like, not only is this annoying, but it's also just kind of fucking with my pacing right here. Because you could have just had me do the three things and go to all the three spots and knock on their door and fucking there's, you know, where Wolf Willie and I gotta fight him now and all that stuff would have been awesome, but I'm just a bit more nervous. And that one that you're on is the one,

is like a fight that just keeps going. Yeah. More so than like high halls or whatever. And that is where I was like, what is going on here? But remember, I did tell you that there's a little side quest that I wanted you to get started in act two that might make the section that you're in right now a bit easier. So maybe like

maybe walk away from that fight that you're on right now go explore a bit more, maybe do those other two things if you haven't already because those are really fun fights and there might be something that... Because I've been the top left one right now. Yes, yeah. That one I hate. I like it in theory because it's, again,

what you're doing in Act 3 in terms of, like, I... You know, the lore and story that they're telling right now with what you're doing with playing some certain songs and stuff is like really, really fascinating and cool and learning more about this kingdom. But yeah, that area in and of itself, I was like, I absolutely hate this.

And I was able to do something that let me essentially circumvent that. Gotcha. I haven't even faced Grohl. And you're saying you don't like him? Oh, Grohl was a nightmare of a runback? Yes. Because... Worse run back in the game.

Bilewater is the worst spot in the game. Oh, so he's in Bilewater. Yes. That's why I have a place. Welcome to help. Bio water is hell. Whenever you, there are lakes of maggots on the ground,

you know, below you. And if you get into the maggot lake, then all of your silk gets infected. And it takes longer to build up. And then the first time you want to heal, it's only to clear the silk. That's happened to me before.

Yeah, I think that was, if you've gone to Sinners Road, it's also in Sinners Road. But bio water is just all of that. And the boss fight is, you know, a couple platforms on the ground with the maggot stuff on the ground. And the boss fight, the boss will suck you towards him. And you might or may not fall into the lake.

And then, you know, spits out bullshit. You know, it's just annoying enough to where you'll be having an amazing run. And then two perfectly placed projection. from the dude bounced the wrong way and it's like oh shit now I'm really fucked yeah and then you're just kind of desperate you're like I hope I'm maybe near the end of the fight let me go push and then you fall into the lake and it's like oh I can't even heal it's like yeah that's why I was able to download him enough or I was like I'm pretty sure I can just cheese this and yeah there's like kind of a simple way to to fight him but that still took a lot of head bashing against a wall because

it's I think the smaller arena fights is where I get more frustrated uh in terms of like fighting really big boss enemies but in like a very small compact thing there's also the gross little worm lady that I'm blanking on right now that's in the jail did you ever fight her

no I don't believe she's a hunt I forget what her name is but yeah she was not fun and she's in like a very very small arena let me see if I can find her brood mother not fun this lady right here

but yeah she's a hunt that I think you get from maybe Bellhart or whatever I did fight her yeah that and then yeah Grohl is also like and his ads are like the really frustrating thing where like you think you go through like two rounds of just fighting regular dudes

then him but then he'll summon them back every once in a while and it's like god damn I just honestly I was stoked for the ads because I was my chance to build up my bar and sometimes and that's how one of the gauntlets they have you run through that I'm I'm going through right now is very much designed to where it's an unending thing that you don't have a chair to sit in between, but between each round, they are giving you a little bullshit enemies to build up your heel.

Yeah. The Savage Beast Fly was one of the first moments of pride for me of beating that motherfucker. And it was difficult. That was a hundred minute fight for me. That was a long time. Yeah, I was a long. Not the hardest thing in the world, but I mean, like, it was, yeah, it took me. Annoying.

It took me a long time. I think it took me like two hours. You want to go fight him again? Well, I did. Oh, nice. And I just kicked his ass. Yeah.

And I was like, fuck, yeah. Yeah. That second fight was way harder for me than the first one. I mean, I had the dash and stuff, the double jump.

I was able to just fucking move around this guy. Like, it's not that it was. I think I didn't have the double. So like, that was like, for him possibly, like all of this is a blur now.

The high halls fight, like I, like Andy learned about this the other day on stream where it's like, yeah, I didn't have the double jump for a, for a good majority of Act 2. And so, because I think it, like, I didn't go over to the frozen area

until, like, hours and hours and hours, um, after, like, getting kidnapped and put into jail and stuff. Like, I don't think I got the double jump until fighting Lace the second time. So you ended up just going back to the frozen spot way later? Yeah, because I was just, like, looking for, like, I was banging my head against the wall. I think against Lace, um, maybe high halls.

Because I think I did like high halls and then, and 30 minutes later went to Lace and then Grant Silk Mother. So I was banging my head against the wall of that and then was just looking for like, all right, I need to go figure something out. And then, yeah, I finally did that and got the double jump.

So yeah, there was a lot of stuff that I was just like not, didn't have. Yeah, the second Savage Beast Fly fight for me. It wasn't the easiest thing, but I did it in like maybe 15 minutes or something. Like, probably like six or seven attempts. and a lot of it was the reason why

I think the first fight would have gone a lot quicker for me was the first fight I probably would have beat the dude a lot faster had we were we not in an enclosed space and the second time you have a much higher ceiling and I was just juggling

I was just pogoing a lot as we went higher and higher and the amount of times I wanted to do that the first time but the ceiling's right there and that would kind of that's what it was in the bad situation made the second one so much easier is I just got on top of them. I would just poke a whole lot on the way up, yeah.

So I would get like three to four pogo's on the way up and eventually fall all the way back. Fighting him on his own was fine. It was really those, uh, the skull dudes, the little flying dudes who just like, are like have the craziest quarterback stats in Madden, you know, just like the insane accuracy, always throwing those and completing those Hail Mary's, uh, truly insane. Uh, we, we're running a little long. I want to make sure we get to all the Super Chats we have a game showdown stuff to get to

because I know we could talk about. I just want to say Carmelita is my favorite fight. So Andy, once you get to Carmelita, you'll know. It'll be like, damn, this is Baird's favorite fight. Last question I have, spoiler-wise, in terms of Act 3, because I'm very interested in, now that I kind of know how to get to it, are we going into a new place, or is it just using the same map still? I just, I mean, do you want us to just say?

I mean, I want to know. I want to know what I'm in for. Is act three as long as act one and two? No, but it's still not short. Yeah, it's not short. I would say it's similar to act two, because I would say act one is probably the longest. In terms of everything that you should be doing before act one,

where it's like, if you've done all that in act one, act two is actually pretty easy. I mean, act two, I like semi-breased through. Act three can be as long as you goddamn want, because there is a little bit of using the same map. there is one added area, but that's not really the focus of Act 3. Got it.

Okay. Fuck. I'm interested. Let's get to some super chats here. Ken G says, just showing some love for kind of funny and Silk Song. Thank you so much, Ken Jr.

Thank you, Kenji. Kenji was the fourth giveaway winner for the drawing. Oh, hell yeah. We've drawn some characters that he told me what to draw, and I was like, I think that's a spoiler, and it was.

So I hate him for that. But thank you, Kenji for your support. Damn. So cool. Thank you for support, Kenji. Zeke's Peake says took off my morning meetings to watch y'all skong while I draw some Hornet fan art

Living the Dream. Happy Fridays. Oh yeah, happy Friday. Dude, I love Hornet, man. I love her. She's so cool. Every pose is cool. I love when you hold back and she does that little fucking. Yeah.

So sick. Have you seen the, did Andy show you the tool where it can make her do an actual little Spy Walk? I have that. I hate it. Yeah, it reminds me a Pitchu running and Smash Bros. I don't like it. uh damon says silk song's an easy game of the year contender for the year who was your worst boss to fight and why was it the savage beast fly i love you guys you know for me the boss and this is hilarious now that i've beat act too the section of the game that i was on the longest is uh when i was on my flight you know one of the first bosses you fight the like red dude with the swings at you oh yeah the miniboss uh yeah the mini boss like when i first uh faced it it took me a handful of tries whatever but i got through it when you face it again and he

he has another friend that's like flying and he's throwing the spear at you. I got, I did that like in three tries. Like, I don't know why I popped off so hard in that fight. That dude. And you're in like a very, very low ceiling like hallway.

I fought him again. I don't remember the second dude because yeah, like with the dash and the double jump and all this like I was able to kick his ass. Yeah, I didn't have the double jump. He definitely had a second friend. Yeah.

And the second friend was also just another, another mini boss. Another asshole. You played at some point. Um, but. Dude, it took me probably three hours on that stuff. And it's like those were just freaking two dudes that I kicked their ass before. He was a dude that flies around.

He's flying around and he like throws the spirit. Just the way that their movesets were going in the space area, that was killing me. And you would focus on the flying dude. And then the other guy would go on the ground. And it wasn't that bad. It's just I think I was getting so frustrated because the runback for that wasn't horrible. But it was annoying enough that like it was a semi-precision jump thing. So like if you got hit, you'd be like, God fucking damn it.

I've learned how to deal with the flying guys. I've got the thing equipped that turns your, like, skirt coat into, like, a thing of blades whenever you do your double jump and whenever you do your float. So, like, I just, yeah, I just, like, jump near them, do a double jump or do a float, and it just, like, hits them twice. Oh, that's sick. Yeah.

God. The longest for me was Dave Grohl, Grohl in Biowater. That was a four-hour fight for me. Oh, man, dude. The longest for me was... That was very bad and tilted. high halls and then the final boss

are the longest fights for me Trevor says last night I finished act two and now I'm doing extra content this game met and exceeded my crazy expectations Expedition 33 will be the favorite to win at game awards but Silk Song is my game of the year Zeke Speak says does act three count as spoilers like just existing

yeah I mean yeah I'm very interested in I'm so interested in act three and what it's going to be because so far it being an axe I'm like I don't really that seems a little weird but um because yeah like after act one and act two I'm like why was act two act two

just felt like more of the game well I think it's because like to me at least you know you're set up with this like okay you're going to get to this location and it's going to be another like normal sized area where you know you're going to get to the final boss and if that was the case

you wouldn't need axe right I think like having that moment of act two gives you this moment of like, oh, the Citadel is like big and you're doing like a whole mighty quest. Yeah. Throughout it. And then more stuff unlocks. Um, and then I think it may be that will work a bit more for you once you get to act three. But it also just hits so much harder when you see the font pop up.

I mean, the third with the word below and you're like, oh shit, that's what we're doing here in act three. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. Any excuse to get any of those little cinematics. I love the just, here's three seconds of a cut seat. It's so beautiful. Animation cutscenes are fantastic.

God, the little not cutscenes, but just like the out of nowhere animated moments, like when you get kidnapped, and then you're sneaking, and you go down, you break their neck. I'm like, this is the coolest thing I've ever seen. That shit was nuts. And you're just naked, very uncomfortable. Oh, my God, hilarious. Alex Frazier says, Barrett, are you planning to go back and play the first one

now that you've played Silk Song? Yes, probably not for a while. I think I was telling Andy this of like, I need this game to be deleted. from my memory, just because from what I've heard of what people talk about with Hollow Night versus Silk Song, it's like, yes, similar game. And like, you're going to know a lot of the same things, but I feel like a lot of the habits that I've formed playing as Hornet, I'm going to carry over in the beginning of Hollow Night. And so I kind of want to let that move set go and maybe give it a

year before I go back to Hollow Night. But, yeah, I do want to go back to it at some point for sure. Andy, I'm sure this will be a conversation for a different time in a bigger way. But, like, do you have any initial thoughts on Silk Song versus Holo Night? It's just been such a long time since I played Hollow Night that so much of it has been memory hold tonight.

I like the movement more in Silk Song and I think Silk Song is a lot better about not having you explore a gigantic place and then you walk into a room and there's Gary the Great and you're

like, I don't know who the fuck you are. I think this game, you have a lot more context for what's happening as opposed to just kind of mindlessly fighting stuff. And then you get a big boss that pops up. You're like, all right, I killed you. We'll find out who you are later. I think I enjoy this being like 20% less obtuse. It's hard to say right now. It really is.

But I've been wanting to go back to Holland Night for quite some time. Trevor says, what are your favorite music tracks, minor choral chambers, and Cogwort core? Cogward Core is one of my favorites for sure. Cogward core is goaded. The boss that I mentioned earlier, Carmelita, that entire, the entire presentation, but also the song that backed it up is 10 out of 10. And then the, I won't say it, but like the final fight as well is like, that is something that's kind of helping me as I'm like five hours into this final fight of just trying to learn it and understand this phase three. Maybe the final phase. I don't know.

Again, not convinced that it's just one boss that I have left. The music for the final boss is just, I think Grandmami Silk Song is, or that when that pops up after the title card in, and her hornets standing there looking, yeah. Shut of my! Yeah, it's so good. As I speak says,

it's gripes slash annoyances, make it a masterpiece for me. I don't love all the design choices, but it all fits together into a wider tapestry. of pure vision and heart and soul. This is an anti-alorithm game. I agree with that. I do like that they were blessed to be in such a position to do whatever they wanted to do

for as long as they wanted to do it. And for this to be the outcome, I think speaks volumes. To have a team passionately make something that they want to without any sort of over-sense, without anybody intruding and making decisions for them. Like, we are seeing the final product in the most pure form of a game development journey that could have been made.

And it's like all of that hype, all of the lead up, nobody telling them what to do, just devs with their passion and making this shit and having fun making it, putting this out. And it's like, that's the result. and let's learn some lessons industry. Yeah. I also think they should have talked to a couple more people. Zeek speak says two endless mode pieces.

I highly recommend Elijah Gonzalez's difficulties can, difficulty conveys a world in penance and Maddie Myers, Hornet makes Silk Song sing. So good. And I think what's endless mode? Endless mode is, I think, a newer site. And I think that's the site that Moises wrote as well for the, um,

Hollow Night and ballet, but I don't think that's in the headline. I'd have to look it up. And then Zixpeak says, one first center, two, lace, three cogwork for Widow slash Phantom. Shout out to Lace, man. Those fights are definitely maybe my favorite mechanically.

They're simple, but like, it's just... I love a boss where it's like they're using a move set just very similar to you. Yeah. Right? And like are your size and have the same flexibility as you do? thing that's always super fun to me that's why like uh was it uh gascione no like gascoyne yeah uh that's that's why that fight is so fun until he turns into a wolfman but um yeah those is those are always sick also i just want to shout at the you know the overall commentary and story with the whole like

talking about like organized religion and kind of the the hollow promise that comes with people who put all of their devotion into that uh really awesome and kind of learning to just to actually devote themselves to each other in their community is also fucking top notch. I love it. Final one here is from Alex Fraser. How does it stack up on your game of the year list? Are you all ready to say that at all? No.

Yeah, it's tough. Like, Kevin asked me the other day, and I was like, oh, like, I think it's probably here on my list underneath a few of these other games. but yeah now that I'm at the final fight and just like kind of realizing in this final fight like everything that I really truly love about this game it is it is a tough conversation

between this game and two others for me for sure yeah yeah I'm it's definitely it's top three for me and I can't wait to play through act three and see like where it all settles a hit he throws a wrench in so much shit does man yeah this kind of three or two you said two okay it really

like whole Holy shit. What a Megaton coming out of nowhere. That is that next week? I think so, yeah. I need to beat this boss this weekend. What a time to be alive, everybody. Great game of the year discussions coming your way in just a few short months. As we continue to add more and more to the list, we'll go so do youota be a contender.

We have that coming up too. Smalls HD says Blackop 7. Oh, man. Well, everybody, thank you so much for hanging out with us. Stay tuned for Kind of Funny Games Showdown. The new season starts in just. a few minutes. Until next time, love you all. Goodbye.