Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Life Is Strange: Double Exposure Spoilercast - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:07 What's up everybody? Welcome to the kind of funny games cast for Tuesday, November 5th, 2024. I'm one of your host, Greg Miller, alongside Forbes 30 under 30, a.k.a. New York Game Awards nominated, aka. leftover poppy, it's blessing Eddie O.e, Jr. Good day, Greg. Hello, how are you? I'm doing good. How are you doing?
Starting point is 00:00:30 Yeah, I feel like I haven't been to show with you in a while. Is that true? I guess it's a feel. It's a feel. It's a feeling. Yeah, it is the blessing might take over week. It's awesome. I know, that's what the streets are saying.
Starting point is 00:00:40 He's bringing out Halo game cases. I know. You know what I mean? You know, and I'm over here opening a Pokemon card. I'm over here having a good time. I turned to Andy yesterday and I like legitimately with no irony in my voice, I was like, and Al-Qazam would change everything from me right now. Like my life would be so much better if I can just open one Al-A-Cazam.
Starting point is 00:00:59 Oh, that's, I think, can we trade? I might have an extra. Well, the training's not open yet, no. That's going to be a game changer when you can check. Oh, man. You're giving real money to real people. There's so many duplicates. I'll give you 10 bucks for an al-Qazam right now.
Starting point is 00:01:12 It's lovely. It's Christmas in November, Joey Noel. Hello, good morning. Back to back, gamescasts. Back to back. Two of three for this week, I think. You can't get away from it. You're just here hanging out.
Starting point is 00:01:23 Thanks for joining us again, Joey. This is so fun. And of course, he is the taste maker, Roger Pocorney. I made sure that the mustache was extra pronounced in. It is very perished. I mean, I shaved today. I made sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:34 just for this. You know, I got to show up for my girl Max Caulfield. You know what I mean? Gotta show up. You got to, I guess. Do you? No,
Starting point is 00:01:41 did she show up for herself? Yeah. Did Life is Strange show up for itself? No, no. We'll talk about that because, of course, this is going to be our Life is Strange double exposure, spoiler cast, but we'll get to that in the second.
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Starting point is 00:03:06 You already got the rumors of no word on the Switch 2 until 20, 25 over on Kind of Funny Games Daily. Right after this, we're going to stream the new Death Note Killer Within. It's a sponsor stream. It's going to be like six of us plus kind of funny best friends going through and doing this new social deduction game. I'm excited to see how that goes. Of course, if you're a kind of funny member, today's Greg Way, asks the question, does Kevin Smith make Greg nervous? That was my first question when I realized that Jason Mews and Kevin Smith were going to be. part of this. So I'm excited to listen to it. Does it make Greg nervous? Yeah. That was
Starting point is 00:03:35 really? Yeah. No, I'm not making a joke. Yeah. That was like, I was like, oh, I wonder if he gets nervous still. It's a good Greg way. Yeah. I think you like you. I'm going to listen to us. I think of our Patreon producer Carl Jacobs and Delaney Twining. Today, we're brought to you by phasmophobia and better help. We'll tell you about that later. For now, let's begin the show with what is and forever will be. Topic of the show. Tots, dots, dots, dots, dots, dots, dots, life is strange, double exposure. Here on this very gamescast, we gave you a review of chapters one and two weeks ago.
Starting point is 00:04:05 And they talked about how weird this whole rollout was that give us two chapters now. Hide three chapters weeks later behind this. Roger, bless you, of course, were on a games daily where you got to give your reviews. Remind us all what were your scores? Yeah, my score was a six out of ten. Should I go in like the top level?
Starting point is 00:04:23 Or should I just say six out of ten? I mean the Twitter version? It's a spoiler cast. Gloves are off already. We're doing this. Gloves are off. We can get into anything. Yeah, I did.
Starting point is 00:04:32 not like the ending of this game. The last two chapters specifically, I felt like nose dived to down to like a five to four out of ten, in my opinion. The first two chapters are really good. I stand by. I think it's amazing. I think it's a really solid foundation for the future of, I guess, that game.
Starting point is 00:04:49 But then they just keep on introducing some really amazing ideas that just have no room to breathe. And then they just keep on compounding, compounding to the point where you get to the ending of the game, we're like, why did we, what is this game? What is this exists? What are we doing? We're setting up a fucking universe like we're doing the Avengers
Starting point is 00:05:04 they already did yeah that's established we don't need yeah you don't need to be so on the nose with it here we're doing X-Men now okay sure and I was just I was just so burnt by that ending and I'm excited to talk about this because now I could finally say out loud Max will return Max Caulfill will return everybody and that's the moment
Starting point is 00:05:22 where I was like what I can't why this is a six out of ten yeah I also gave it a six out of ten and like to go back okay on the kind of funny scale if you're an audio listener yeah I think overall it's an okay experience. The first two chapters really enjoyed, right? Gave that an eight out of time we reviewed those two things. But then the last three chapters let me down. And for me, it was just the thing of so much potential in the first half of the experience.
Starting point is 00:05:42 Yeah. Felt all squandered in the second half of the experience where there were just threads of things that happened where I'm like, all right, so what happened to this guy or what happened? Why did this happen? What's up with this major plot point that feels like it never got resolved in a good way? Chapter 5 felt so messy and in the way that was trying to revolveld. It feels rushed. It feels like there should be more episodes to this, right?
Starting point is 00:06:02 They didn't have enough time to tell a story that needed way more time to breathe and develop. And it sucks because I really like these characters. I really like the cast of characters. I think Moses is awesome. I think Safi is awesome. I think Gwen's great. I like so much of what they set up with the character writing and who they are and the power is and all this stuff. But yeah, so much of where the core story takes it feels like it loses itself to try to set up a greater universe that I did not want or ask for.
Starting point is 00:06:29 And yeah, to Roger's point of the Max Coalfield will return. For me, that was like an audible grown moment because I'm like, man, I really love true colors for what it was. I just want more standalone life strange stories. I don't want you to like have to feel like you have to connect all these things and turn this into an MCU-O-5
Starting point is 00:06:45 thing. Like, this isn't what I want at a Life of Strange. And it feels like it completely misunderstands what this series is. And so at the end of the day, I was let down by it. Like, I'm surprised that a Life Strange game isn't in my top 10 for the year. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great way to put it.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Joey Noel. First off, welcome to the panel. Thank you. Remind everybody, what's your history with Life is Strange? I, so I was reminded playing this game, and I can't remember if I said this on the review or the preview if I said it before, I realized I never finished the first Life is Strange game because I got lost in that weird maze with the teacher, and I, like, couldn't ever find my way out.
Starting point is 00:07:25 You had to episode five. She was immersed She was max Fuck this I'm watching a YouTube video I was so annoyed That I couldn't figure out How to get out of it
Starting point is 00:07:36 That I was just like I'm shutting this off I'm never playing this again So I think I ended up watching Just like a YouTube Video of like what the ending was And stuff like that What would have you
Starting point is 00:07:46 Would you choose Bay or Bay If you had the choice I would have chosen the Bay The town Okay Not sorry Chloe So as I was like Refreshing
Starting point is 00:07:56 my memory leading into this. I was like, oh, that's why I don't remember which option I chose because I didn't actually ever choose one. Um, so I jumped in. I don't know. I think that the Max and Chloe relationship obviously is so core to what I loved about the first life is strange game. And I, as much as I do like the characters, I just don't think that any of those relationships ever get anywhere close to that. Um, in this game? Yes. In this game. Yeah. So I just, I think I'd never had like a huge pull that like I was like oh I need to keep playing this I want to see what ends up for these characters because I just never cared as much as I cared about the first game yeah but I think I would probably give it a six five I think it's fine um I just don't I am also
Starting point is 00:08:47 confused by some of them I think part of that also comes down to I was interested in choices so I made things that I just because I wanted to see what happened and not because I inherently wanted to pick that choice. So I think that if I went back and played it the way that I actually wanted to play instead of what I thought would be interesting, I might have a different score. Okay. Of course, I'm well known for loving Life is Strange, loving these walking Sims and these choice-based games and choose your own adventures and stuff.
Starting point is 00:09:13 And, you know, I look at my notes that I was taking while I was playing, and it was this weird one to be playing this game and have, no, you guys didn't like how it lands. You know what I mean? When I was finishing my Dragon Age review, I got a text at night from Janet that was like, did you beat this yet? I'm like, no. I'm like,
Starting point is 00:09:27 they did not land the plane. Like fuck. And you guys are like, they did not land. And so like, it's weird to look at my notes and be like, episode three,
Starting point is 00:09:34 I love, oh man, I loved the date scene with Amanda. I'm glad I told Moses. I loved the detective disappearing, hated that Max and Moses
Starting point is 00:09:40 go back to normal, which we'll get to, right? But it's like episode four. She's a shapeshifter. That's so cool. And then it's like, the way this ends,
Starting point is 00:09:50 I think negates so much of the stuff I enjoyed about it. and then also calls out so many of the problems the game has narratively. And these games are all about their narrative. And so for me, I'd have to give this a five out of five. Like I think this, or five, five, five point five, five. Five point five, mediocre right in the middle there, right? Of like being up from whatever, but I don't think it's okay.
Starting point is 00:10:12 I wouldn't, like, as a life is strange fan, I wouldn't tell other life of strange fans to go play this. Like, I thought they do so much interesting stuff, but then the way they end this is so awkward. then to sit there and do what the game doesn't do with any one of its plot points, and that's to sit there with it. Like, nothing, everything is, bam, bam, bam, bam. So just none of it matters. And so, yeah, like, you know, to lay out the cast of characters and look through and be like, yeah, you know what?
Starting point is 00:10:39 I did like Moses a lot, right? Gwen was really cool and I wanted to see more of stuff here, blah, blah. It's the fact that all of their things dominoes so quickly and are happening in the two timelines, then they're back together in one timeline, and we have a two-second conversation about them where they're like, what the fuck happened? And everybody's like, like, I have a headache. The way this dominoes, you know, again, Safi, like, even her of like, it wasn't until I talked to Moses in the bar at the very end, right,
Starting point is 00:11:04 where he's like, you just let you let Safi off the hook, or you agreed with her. And I was like, oh, you guys wanted me to think Safi was a bad guy. Like, this all happened so fast. I'm just like, I understand you're going through a lot, Safi. I've gone through a lot too. Powers are hard. I'm with you.
Starting point is 00:11:16 It was never like, oh, I guess, yeah, you did all. But you didn't know, but you did. But you were like, so many of the, of the major. like the game stops and it's like hey this is the choice of the episode right are me trying to think through what the developers want me to feel in this moment or what
Starting point is 00:11:34 potentially they're driving at and it was never like this organic oh my gosh this is a crazy thing like how do I feel like I was never doing the debate thing with Leanza as we're playing this together like that's my favorite part of Life is strange is playing with somebody else or any of these games and being like oh what do you think I don't know it was always like I guess this is the right
Starting point is 00:11:50 thing to do I don't know like there was no like moral conundrum for me And I think, you know, especially looking back at getting ready for the spoiler cast I went through and screenshot at all the different choices, right, from all the different choice screens. And obviously the ones where they put like four or five on it or like, did you water the plants? I'm like, I don't give too much of shame. But like looking through them and like some of these like who the like if I was to ask you guys right now, chapter one, and this is zero zero three JPEG. If I was to ask you right now for Loretta in chapter one, did you finish Loretta's interview or call her bluff? like was that a big moment for anybody?
Starting point is 00:12:24 Like I called her bluff, but I don't give a shit. Like it wasn't like this. She was the most ancillary of sidecangers. I thought she was going to have a way bigger role in the rest of the game. And that's everybody. I don't know if there's a play through where she does. Yeah, there's something at the ending, right, where you can talk to her, which I didn't do. I didn't find that either.
Starting point is 00:12:41 Yeah. You could find her in the storm or whatever. Okay, yeah. And then you could change her mind or something like that. That's at least what it said in the ending thing. I was like, oh, that's, all of this is so surface level. Yeah. Right?
Starting point is 00:12:50 And they just gamble away. I think to your point, they miss what life is strange is. Life is strange is these relationships. It is these decisions. It is hemming and hawing and having a horse in the race, especially for the ending right of like Bay or Bay. Like, who did you pick? Like, there's a conversation there,
Starting point is 00:13:05 whereas this one's like, and then you even get to the end and it's like, to not even hear Max's speech to her friends and just get this thing of like, I'm not leaving, my credits. I'm like, oh. Oh, what the fuck was this?
Starting point is 00:13:17 Yeah. No, it's extremely disappointing. and I again, I think that there are some really great moments here. Like, there's moments that, like, the Amanda stuff to me is standout, right? I like that character. I like that relationship. I thought the relationship was also very steamy. Like, I, like, Max got some Riz.
Starting point is 00:13:33 Like, she was kind of fine. No, she does not have Riz. I think so. I mean, I don't know. That feels like a mere choice issue. Yeah. My Max was stripped out. Like, she had some Riz.
Starting point is 00:13:43 Like, she was putting on the moves. Like, she was like, you want to come back to my battles. Like, damn, bro. Like, Max really grew up a little bit. Like, Max is a friend where, like, if I'm talking about, talking to somebody on a hinge, and Max is like, hell,
Starting point is 00:13:52 let me talk to her for you. I'm like, no, I've seen your game. Absolutely not. But that's why all the people who, but it's endearing though. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:13:59 Everybody loves Max, right, because she is this endearing goof with no social skills or whatever. Yeah, I fucking kissed Amanda. Oh yeah. JPEG 009, Amanda,
Starting point is 00:14:08 I kissed Living World, Amanda, which by the way, could we not have come up with it? I mean, I understand you need to be able explain it to people. Dead was living.
Starting point is 00:14:16 And Jed was watching the place. She's like, what the fuck is this mean? I'm like, oh, Soffy's dead in this one. She's alive in the other one. I love how much they hammered it in with like the lighting in each world.
Starting point is 00:14:23 It's like, oh, she's the living world has the warm lighting. The dead world has the cool lighting. Yeah, no joy. Yeah. Let's talk about that a little bit. Like going between the living and the dead worlds, I thought was such a missed opportunity. Right? Because like, I was talking to this about with blessing when we're talking about the review.
Starting point is 00:14:39 And going into this, they were like, oh, man, you're going to have to like deal with two different universes of two variants of every person that you talk with. So you might say something in the living world, and then you have to remember, oh, you said that in the living world, not the dead world. Then you might trip over your words. That rarely happened. Like there was. Yeah, I think that happened once, but it was like something you can control. Like your character just said the wrong thing and you're like, oh, sorry, it mixed it up. And here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:15:02 Like, I think the one time where I thought it happened ended up, and we're in spoilers now, right? Yeah, we didn't know the old time. The one time that I thought it happened turned out to be the shapeshifter thing, which I thought was such a cool reveal, right? There was so much that you could do with that that I felt like they didn't go all the way with the fact that Safi has this power in that she can be other people and all this stuff and so for the first two episodes you're seeing these things happen
Starting point is 00:15:23 of oh there's another max oh Gwen like apparently stealing drugs and Reggie ran into himself and like when they're revealing that I think in episode two I'm like oh this is so cool it's coherence that movie I love the bad people the other dimension people are coming over
Starting point is 00:15:39 from Earth 2 right and they're all bad people and they're fucking things up for everyone and then when it wasn't that and Safi's a shape shift I thought that was I'm like that's a fucking awesome I was like that's such a good twist like let's see how like why is she doing this like what's happening here and that stuff for me just didn't it the ideas are so good
Starting point is 00:15:56 I was when I was texting Janet right like one of the conversations we had is it it felt like they made like your favorite meal with all the ingredients there but then they just dropped on the floor and I was like oh man like I was really excited for this like there was so much potential I'll still eat it I guess I'm just like very not excited about it
Starting point is 00:16:11 like some of them didn't quite touch the floor. Yeah. It's so good. It's still good. You know? But yeah, like that stuff I was let down by because, yeah, I thought it was going to be the, you have to keep straight what time when you're in.
Starting point is 00:16:24 And like based on if you can remember if you were in a living or dead, like that's going to affect things. And it, yeah, it felt like there was maybe one thing that might have like had to do with that sort of puzzle. Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise, it was just like, I can't go into the office in this world. I guess I have to change.
Starting point is 00:16:39 Go and do it in this one. Yeah. Right. It was so brain dead. Like, you weren't challenged at any point. like in terms of what you're really, the hardest thing is where they hit the fucking key on this photo frame.
Starting point is 00:16:48 Oh yeah, and again, the reason I had to ask you about it is because the game clearly was bugged out where I was like, talk to Vin, and I already talked to Vin, but it never checked.
Starting point is 00:16:55 And I had like a bunch of things checked after it, which is not how the game's system works. Yeah. And then it was like the guy, the, what's his name? Fucking forgettable ass author that we hate. Lucas. Lucas,
Starting point is 00:17:06 Lucas, and he had me, he has a conversation in his office and he kicks me out and closes the door. And then if I try to go back in, she's like, I'm not talking to him. him again, whatever.
Starting point is 00:17:14 So then when I came, I jumped to Dead World and couldn't figure out, or whatever, vice versa. When I jumped to the other world, couldn't figure out, I came back. Now the door to his office is open again, and I walk in and he doesn't acknowledge me. And I go, I won't call. I talk to him. Like, all right, well, the game is broken. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:26 So is it broken now in a way that I can't advance or is it broken? I'm like, Roger, what am I missing? And you're like, oh, rotate the frame. Like, oh, Jesus God. Yeah, that's so funny because I feel that exact sequence has broken three different ways that I know. Like, it broke twice in two different ways for me, and then it broke a different way for you.
Starting point is 00:17:42 So yeah, that whole thing was how it broke for me because I came out and I was just standing there. Yesterday, Nick was like, do you need something? I was like, I'm waiting for Roger because part of my game's broken. Greg's like, I got it. I was like, exactly what to do. Picture frame. You need a picture frame.
Starting point is 00:17:56 Yeah, and I think, you know, again, that's why it sucks in so much of the, there's everything here in this game is a great idea. Just none of it gets to breathe or gets expanded. I'm like, right, episode four, my first note is shape, shift or exclamation. And then I love this conversation about powers. Because it's something I never really thought about in these games. of how Isley is for Max, right? Or, you know, a True Color character who's name...
Starting point is 00:18:18 Is it Chloe? No, no, no, Alex. Alex, thank you very much. You can talk to somebody about having these powers, but you've never met somebody who has these powers. So when you have this moment of Safi and Max just sitting there and pushing the bottle cap back and I'm like, I love this conversation about powers. Like, this is such a nerdy comic book Greg kind of thing
Starting point is 00:18:35 of what you would talk about, how it would feel to meet somebody else in that universe. That should have been the entire episode is my thing. Like, like, the fact that these two people spent their entire, you know, teenage years going into adulthood now, feeling like they were the only people in this universe that had these weird powers. And now they can actually meet face to face and talk about it. And also the fact that double it, like, it's her friend who died in this other universe, right? Like, that's also weird. And they're able to talk about it.
Starting point is 00:18:59 And they talk for 15 minutes. And like, I know it's like a big chunk of this episode, right? But it's also not because then we just get up and like, okay, now we got to expose Lucas. Why do we have to expose this? Like, why the fuck is she doing this now? I've said, definitely. that thing where the way I've been burning the candle at both ends, I nod off once in a while playing a video game. Sure. But it was like when I, I definitively, like, I enjoyed the conversation
Starting point is 00:19:21 so much, right? And I was like, this is awesome. Stop here, I'll play this to work. And when I started up and work, I'm like, did I fall asleep? We're in the snapping turtle. Like, we're fucking exposed this motherfucker right now. Did I miss a cutscene? It makes zero sense as to why this is happening because they established very clearly that she has no qualms about just changing it to anybody at any time.
Starting point is 00:19:40 Like, this is not like a new thing that she's like, oh, you know, they fucked over my book deal. She's not even struggling. Yeah, exactly. So she's like, okay, well, I'm just going to do this. I'm going to expose him now. And I'm like, you could have done this when Maya died. Like, why didn't you do this when Maya died?
Starting point is 00:19:53 Like, why are we doing, why are we doing this right now in this very specific moment? It felt very rushed. And if they just took that reveal and then they expanded that reveal to the next two episodes and then we ended it somewhere, I don't know where we would end it. But if we just expanded that, that would have been, I think, to me, like brought it up to like a seven, five, two and eight. Can we talk about Safi's powers? Yeah. Because this is one that.
Starting point is 00:20:12 confused me a little bit. So is she manipulating people's brains to then see something else? So if you catch her on camera, it's there, you just see her? No, no, because we have Gwen on camera. That's what I thought. Of course. I don't, I don't, I know. That's the double exposure. You have to double expose in order for them to snap out of it. Is that right? I guess. Well, that's the thing. It wouldn't happen on camera because it's recording and it feels like an explanation for a power that I'm like you did not need to go that deep into it. Just call her a shapeshifter. Yeah, I know, right.
Starting point is 00:20:44 That was my thing, too, of like, but the problem is just calling her a shapeshifter and she can shape shift like Alex Mack or whatever is the problem that, my favorite shape shifter. But she can be water. The Stiegel's right there. No, Greg wants the one that's going to be a puddle. They, for some reason, want this scene at the end of the Professor X thing,
Starting point is 00:21:03 which is a, again, a cool scene and a cool idea. But as soon as you stop me, like, but wait, like, All right, so she's tickling their brain to make them see it. But then now she's taking over their brain for them all to talk. And if it needs to, but the cameras, why would the camera? And she can only do it to people who she's seen or been around, right? Yeah. But then how does that affect the brain tickling?
Starting point is 00:21:29 Like she can do that with everybody on campus unless she's seen everybody. I don't know. Yeah. The double exposure thing, like the taking the picture and then double exposing it and that being the way Max frees people also. I respect the swing. but did not work for me whatsoever. Yeah, there was a lot of weirdness in that fifth episode
Starting point is 00:21:46 where I think this is the side of Life of Strange that I don't enjoy as much. And I don't think True Colors had anything like this, but Life Strange 1 kind of had a similar episode 5 where everything is weird now and everything's kind of trippy. And I did not like this version of it. Life Strange 1, I liked it fine,
Starting point is 00:22:01 but it was also one of those ones where I'm like, all right, don't do this again, though. Like, I like this again. Never do this again. And they do it again. And it's just not working for me Where Max is going from scene to scene Essentially and like this freeing people
Starting point is 00:22:14 And having these weird conversations with them And they're taken over by Safi But they then get freed And they're aware of what's happening And then also the timelines are converging In ways that are kind of confusing And then she goes into this loop of hotel room And the hotel room is in different locations
Starting point is 00:22:28 But it's the same hotel room And I don't ever seen that Yeah Right? Like the hotel rooms? Yeah Is it from Life Strange 1 that hotel? No, no no this is after the fact
Starting point is 00:22:36 This is her and Chloe have are on the road Yeah. It feels like the way that it is presented makes it feel like we're supposed to know what, or I guess she does say where it is. On your game, was it Chloe? It was you and Chloe? Like, did she specifically say that? Or did you guys break up at that time? So for me, of course, Chloe's dead, right?
Starting point is 00:22:52 So it's just like she had like the pins or whatever, like remember her, like that bag. In one of the hotel rooms, she specifically says something about Chloe. So my interpretation was that all, I mean, we know that after Arcadia Bay, her and Chloe bop around the United States. Eventually they break up and she continues to bop around until she ends here in Vermont. So there was never a point in your game where they confirmed one of the, or like where they actually like Chloe was dead or like you chose. Well in the beginning it says do you know, beginning there's some choice of that sets it up if you save Chloe or if you let Chloe die or if you like Chloe. That did surprise me is like, yeah, there are parts of the game where I felt like a double down of oh yeah, like Chloe is dead in this universe or whatever. And I'm in my head, as I was playing it, I was like, oh, I wonder if they're committing to this or if it is different per game.
Starting point is 00:23:35 So it's really cool. Yeah. If you throw up a, you know, the first JPEG, right, it says with Safi, what happened to Chloe? Did Chloe live? Chloe died in my game as of last, or like, as of most update. 53% yeah, she lived. So yeah. That's way closer than I thought.
Starting point is 00:23:49 Chloe is grateful to be that with the past. It's all haunts you both. So yeah, the story for me then with Chloe, right, or my Max and Chloe is, yeah, they, they, she, Max puts it poetically of basically, or, you know, recap counting what Chloe says, it's something to the effect of like, you know, Chloe wanted to move on, but I couldn't leave the past. You know what I mean? Of how she kept rewinding time or how she had done that in the game or whatever and how she felt about that. And so, you know, they grew apart because of it.
Starting point is 00:24:16 And so Chloe is still alive and kicking and active on the social feed in it. Oh, that's interesting. You have your final, you have, you know, the texts in your phone, right? You have the Chloe one and you have the final one you sent years ago theoretically. I don't think they're dated, right? But forever ago before the actual breakup. right of like you know you guys going back and forth and then saying something like she you're in some city and she was going out to get you breakfast or whatever and like you say
Starting point is 00:24:41 something like she's awesome and so anyways that you have that you and you always can look at it it's like super sad like it's a saved message or whatever and so maxill reference chloe throughout a few times of especially when things go super south here whether i think it was episode maybe maybe episode four or five it goes wonky or whatever and she's like i know i could call you Chloe and you'd answer, but I got to solve this myself kind of thing. And there's a few other things. There's a similar thing where I think she says, like, I wish you were here. And Chloe, yeah, she's on tour. I think she's in New Orleans
Starting point is 00:25:10 at this point with her band or whatever and stuff going on down there. And so then, yeah, it's all very, very fine. And then at the very end, in chapter five, you get, at the very end, you get a text from Chloe. That is, hey, I saw the storm in Vermont, just thinking to you, kind of thing about why. It's the first time they've
Starting point is 00:25:28 talked in forever. And you don't respond to it. I don't think you'd respond to it. You look at it and say something. And respect to them for not like bringing up Chloe in this one, like fully. Like you know what I was totally. When we were getting into the tornado and we started going through the yeah, we're going through the hotel rooms. I'm like, am I about to get Chloe popping up here and have to fight that demon off or whatever? But again, the hotel room thing is just still like, like
Starting point is 00:25:47 my my problem is these scenes don't feel like they acknowledge the scene that just came before them. And for me, you know, the one I would talk to you, I think you about, right? Maybe both of you, I forget. But it was the idea of the aldermen the policeman, right? Of like, okay, cool. You know, there's, I think it was really, really cool, right?
Starting point is 00:26:05 First off, telling Moses, explaining it to Moses, using the power for as basic as the power is that they make you use it, you know what I mean? Especially when it's later of like how to break the projector. And Moses is like, I think you'd be here now. And I was like, oh, we could have done this a better way. It doesn't matter. You know, you show it. The cop shows up.
Starting point is 00:26:22 The cops like, you're fucking furious. How did you do a telescope? And then he's like, all right, cool. You're going. And then he sees himself, right? And I'm like, oh, that's really, really cool. And then he touches himself and starts fucking time copping. And I grab him to try to save him right, but he still gets, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:26:35 And like Moses. What did you pick in that moment? Save him. I tried to save him. Oh, I saved myself. I'm like, oh, fuck this guy. Hero, Joe. Right.
Starting point is 00:26:45 And then it explodes for everybody. Yeah. Okay. Like most of the decisions. Exactly. It doesn't really matter. And like, Max is like, holy shit. And Max has seen some shit.
Starting point is 00:26:54 And Moses is just a nice little science door. He's like, oh, what the fuck? And then they both are like, well, it's. Well, let's go to the snapping turtle and bullshit around. Like, what the fuck? No. Like, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:04 And we don't even talk about that sequence. There's just a few text messages of the back and forth. That was crazy, right? Yeah, we saw two men die. And ultimately, you know, you mentioned, like, did I fall asleep or whatever? Like, another one. And I was like, did I miss something? Like, what?
Starting point is 00:27:17 That detective, we didn't get any resolution on why he exploded out of nowhere and why he saw another version of self. You just get the, well, I got the Moses thread of like, yeah, just looking into it. Yeah. But like Moses didn't find shit, right? Well, no, he found out that he had a widow. He was never born, yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:33 Yeah. So what the fuck? Why? And it's so interesting. Like, that is such a thread that, again, we could have expanded on that. That could have been the entire game. And I would have been like, fuck yeah, let's figure out what's going on. I wonder if, like, that had been Safi and then she made something happen to where he was gone.
Starting point is 00:27:48 Then she had, like, real villain powers. Yeah. Do you think he's like going to be? Because when the game ended and there was no resolution on that, immediately I was like, oh, he's going to be the infinity saga. Jesus. Like the next game, Saffi is going to be looking, she's going to be the, I guess, the Magneto in the situation, right?
Starting point is 00:28:06 Looking for other powered beings and he's going to be a true villain. Like what the fuck? It feels like they're trying to build or something. He'll come back with his army of aldermen. All of the men. And on that note, I'll remind you that with your kind of funny membership, you can get all of our shows ad free, the ability to watch live as we record him.
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Starting point is 00:30:35 Do they ever say that? I don't know. I don't know what. I thought his name was Jason. Jason Aldean, is that why? Oh, yeah, country music superstar, yeah. I loved what they did with Alderman, especially, like, him kind of going insane.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Like, it was very over the top, but I also. Well, again, though, you saw something. Perhaps. Perhaps one of the only legit. legitimate reactions. I mean, like, because in his,
Starting point is 00:30:59 I forget which way it goes, but in his world, he's walking around our studio, looks that way and come back and the wall is in boxes. Your mind should break. It's something you were just looking at either constructs or deconstructs, right?
Starting point is 00:31:10 Absolutely. Because even Moses in that world was like, hey, Max, what is she's like, oh, fuck, no. That's weird. That's weird.
Starting point is 00:31:16 I got to go. What the fuck he's talking about? I had this, this about episode three, or when we start learning about, like, my Okada, right? And I was like,
Starting point is 00:31:24 I cracked it. This is what they're going to do, right? We're going to finish the story, right? And we're going to do before the storm two, right? Where we're going to do my Okada and Safi and Vin. And I was like, oh, Jesus, what happened, Greg? All grounds. Those all grounds in the bottom of there. I'm going to be feeling it for this stream.
Starting point is 00:31:38 I'll tell you what, everybody. And I was, I was like kind of excited by the idea, right? Because I think Safi and Vin and potentially Maya Okada are interesting character, especially Maya Okada being fucked over by Lucas. Like, that's a subplot to me that I wanted that to follow up with, but we're never going to really do that. Why? Because again, it's like, but like you say that and you could see where that would be a game. Yes.
Starting point is 00:32:01 And here it was so ancillary. Okay, this is what happened. Okay, he's mad or Safi's mad about it. And then we call him out on it. And it's, oh, like, he has a gun. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:32:12 So at what, how, when did Max shoot Safi? So the original time without the tornado. We never closed that loop. And I, like, I still to this point, I don't understand how. we started there exactly. I don't have an answer for you. It's just time you want me. You know what I mean? Did she ever shoot her? Did she do you think Safi and our world had powers?
Starting point is 00:32:35 Our original timeline? Yes. I think it was confirmed, right? Because she was doing power shit. No. No. It wasn't until we introduced Dead World that there starts to be this our living world. What she said that she's had power. Like nothing has changed in the past, right? Like at least from what we know right in the living world, there's never like, oh shit, that never happened in the dead world, right? Like, it's just always, it branched off after her death, right? So everything she's saying, like,
Starting point is 00:32:59 oh, I had power since I was, what, like 16 or whatever? That seems to be correct, right? Yeah? I guess, yeah. I just feel like, again, it's like that would be interesting to explore, right? And then I just bring the timelines together, and then everyone has their memories
Starting point is 00:33:15 of the two timelines, and then, like, Diamond stops you after, and like, tell me what happened? Tell me what happened. Again, I don't know what we're trying to do with these subplots, but so we got Vin who works with Yasmin, who is part of the Maya O'Cada thing, but also runs a secret society that's holding elections that Diamond wants to be a part of. And Diamond would like to fuck Moses, but he's in a relationship, but she hangs out with Reggie all the time. But then Reggie and what the fuck are we doing?
Starting point is 00:33:46 Too much. Prune this back and give it an A plot and a B plot and let's go. Why are you doing? I'd never got the secret society thing A through M plots and they're all fucking Garbo What do you never got the secret society thing? Like what's up with it? Like what is it just a club?
Starting point is 00:34:01 Yeah, it's just a club I think. Yeah, it doesn't. They like to like pull some pranky thing. Is that it? And the prank was throwing a deerhead through the window of a girl you date? Like what the fuck are we talking about? Yeah. Don't they steal like someone's phone?
Starting point is 00:34:14 Amanda's phone? No, that was the whole thing of Vin's phone got stolen, but it was because Safi stole it trying to hack in to get whatever information she needed for that Mcuffin. L. Watcher in the chat also brings up the question that I've had the whole time, is there a max in the alive world? Is this not an issue? I guess when, I guess no. Like, I think there's one max, but she's shifting between timelines.
Starting point is 00:34:34 So when she's in one timeline, the other timeline just has nothing. Like, she's just absent. It just disappears, I guess. Which is weird because everybody else, is that part of the powers then? That she's a singularity and just goes between. Yeah, right? Because I guess Safi only exists. So when there was the death, when Sophie died,
Starting point is 00:34:52 that shatters the universe but keeps one max okay it doesn't make why what i think it would be more exciting if max had to navigate the alive world dodging herself totally and that was my thought right of like when again i think i think it's a cool again these are all great scenes not all but lots of these are great scenes and great ideas so like when we're chasing sophy but when we're chasing other max and other max falls into the ice i was like oh this is cool you can't touch her so she's got oh, maybe they already touched this point. But you know what I mean? Of like, do you let her die?
Starting point is 00:35:24 And then she pulls her out and she turns into Safi. And my dumb ass did not see that end, that last thing. And go, shape shifter. Same. Oh, wow. Rather. And then the next one, like, oh, the shapeshift. Like, oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:35:36 She got a scratch face. Sure. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. But it was just like what? And I was so excited to meet other Macs because I thought for sure this we're going.
Starting point is 00:35:44 Oh, she's like a asshole. This is interesting. Yeah. Which Leanza pointed out when we're playing it. She's like, oh, that's like a direct comparison. to the original game when she was in the diner, right? And she like sees,
Starting point is 00:35:55 it was like the alternate version of her. It was like the weird episode five thing, right? And there's like kind of like a shitty version of Max who's like telling Max all the different things that she fucked up in her life, right? So she was like, oh, like maybe it's like a manifestation of that. No, it's a shape shifter, which is, which is fine,
Starting point is 00:36:09 but we just don't capitalize on it afterwards. A great swerve, but then we should have answered a few questions. And all, I feel like we should have had the moment where it's like the game just becomes about Safi fully, right? Like we're playing a Safi or we are focused on her story and her origins or all the things that she had to deal with with her mother
Starting point is 00:36:25 like we're just so complicated at that point it should have been like a battle against again what are we doing that's fucking up the timeline right and I feel like that should be the final boss more so than what's his name the fucking author dude that plagiarized the Maya Coddle. The final thing should have been the reveal that Safi was a shape shifter
Starting point is 00:36:41 and she's been fucking I think I like the reveal in episode three I think more so it should have been built up into all right how do you die like who shot you? Why did you get shot, right? Like, I thought for sure we're building up to Safi had transformed into Max and shot herself to save the timeline. And I was very excited to figure out like, okay, why did we get there? Like, what the fuck happened
Starting point is 00:37:02 to that you had to do that? And yeah, like, I don't know. I feel like that would have been the more interesting aspect falling up on Life Strange 1 where that was the whole thing, right? Like, Max keeps fucking up with time. Now she has to make the ultimate decision. I thought for sure that that was going to be Safi's ultimate decision. Do you think that we get back to that point in the next game or the next game? And that's the thing is I think we do. Like I think a lot of the threads that are hanging here are just going to be, all right, and double exposure to you or whatever
Starting point is 00:37:26 they call the next Life of Strange game. Maybe you are playing as Maya and that ends up being a thing where we finally get back to, maybe it is her that shoots herself as Max or, you know. Safi, you mean or Maya? Or Safi, sorry. Yeah, yeah. You know, Sophie shoots herself as max or whatever it is, right? Do you think we get another Life is Strange? No.
Starting point is 00:37:43 I think this one, I mean, it's interesting seeing the reviews because I-J 73 on Metacritic. I-Jan gave it a 9, like 3.5. Seventy-3 though, is I don't know what the earlier Life Strange games were, but I'm pretty sure they're over 73. Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:56 Like, I wonder if this one gets received well enough to even do with C. That's my thing about it where I think is, you know, Square has been so not wishy-washy, but it is very much like, Mm-hmm, a Western developers, what are we doing? Obviously, they got rid of Crystal. They got rid of Square inx, Montreal. Yeah, Life's Strange original, 85. I meant a true colors in 81.
Starting point is 00:38:13 Some respect on true colors. It's 78 for Life is change, too. It made me want to go back and finish it because I never finished. Well, dude, life is strange. Wait, one or. True colors, I thought, was so good. And that was why we're so, like, again, to talk about, like, you know, there's so many things I think I broke out in the deal here, right? IGN's synopsis, right, from Nick Millett, who gave it a nine, right?
Starting point is 00:38:34 After several attempts to recapture what made the original Life is Strange so enduring, developer deck nine games totally knocked out of the park with Life is Strange double exposure. I don't agree, and I really do feel that True Colors, that captured what made Life is Strange special. I have so many great memories about that game, but I digress. There's a worthy sequel to the game captured the hearts and minds of millions of people way back in 2015, myself included. The writing is great, yes. Well, no, parts of it, right? The music is excellent, yes.
Starting point is 00:39:00 Cinematography and acting are top-notch, yes, yes, yes. That's my thing where it's like so much of what I loved about true colors was, oh, my God, it looks so good and the acting so good. And, like, that exists here. It's just that all these plotlines and stories don't make sense. It's too complicated. The fact that they even introduced this, like, again, Lucas is the main bad guy. but okay but is he because then Gwen who got the book
Starting point is 00:39:23 through then got cold feet and canceled it with one call but then it turns out it was her mother all along like why are we which is so predictable why are we exactly why are we adding in a third bad guy for this plot line I don't give a shit about like no like take at least get rid of mom and Gwen from this equation
Starting point is 00:39:40 and let it just be Lucas like Gwen be caught selling drugs well I feel like that that was of direct like hey we can't do another you know male teacher yeah who's like who's the the thing behind it all. So I understand that, but it just, it does feel so rushed. Like we get to, yeah, yeah,
Starting point is 00:39:55 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I could have seen that a million miles away. She clearly was disapproving of her daughter the entire time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, again, there are so many good things here, and I kind of get angry because, like, I look back at like the Mayo-Ocata stuff,
Starting point is 00:40:11 the Safi stuff, the VIN love triangle of it all, because they, I don't know if you read one of the books or whatever the text message, I don't know what it was, some type of literature in the game where they were saying, like, hey, like, they were all connected. Like, they might have been, like, a thruple of some sort. Like, they were, they were, I don't know if it was an actual double, but like, it was Maya, it was Safi,
Starting point is 00:40:26 and Vin was right behind them like a dog is what the way they said it. So, like, I don't know what that is. That's super fucking interesting to me. Yeah. Hey, I get it. But like he, like, I get it, man. I get it. But yeah, I agree with Vin.
Starting point is 00:40:39 Or I agree with you about Vin. Because Vin is a character at first, I thought was insufferable, but then they have him grow on you a little bit. And it was working on me. Yeah. Right? Like, those the whole. Did you kiss Vin?
Starting point is 00:40:48 No, absolutely not. They introduced that way too early. Yes, exactly. I was committed to Amanda at this one. Especially right after you have the Amanda scene. It felt like you didn't give it, I mean, any room to breathe, which is kind of in. For the record, according to JPEG 010 from last night or this morning when I screenshotted it, kissed dead world Vin, which is such a terrible name.
Starting point is 00:41:08 50% passed, 31% kissed. 19% didn't even talk to them. That's so sad. Which, again, makes a lot of sense. I'm surprised we even got up to 31% because. They set Vin up to fail, putting him right after your potential romance with Amanda. And then also, yeah, it being too early. 72% kissed Living World Amanda.
Starting point is 00:41:25 10% pulled away. 18% didn't get the opportunity. Amanda's literally the first character like you see in the game and she's like. And they're so cute. Yeah. And Sophie's like, yo, you should go talk to her. And immediately it's like, oh, I really like this character. Then I think you were like in the middle of that arc of you starting to like VIN and they just, it just wasn't ready yet.
Starting point is 00:41:43 You know, weren't warmed up enough yet. You needed this convo and then to have a second one. Yeah, I feel like. But I would like to explore more of that character, right? Like, I think that that triangle between Tim Safi and Maya could be very interesting. I still go back to, like, going back to the Yasmin conversation, the end of, I believe it was episode three where Safi shoots Yasmin, I did not buy from that character. I understand that she was having like a Mako freak out. Was it four?
Starting point is 00:42:10 Yeah. Yeah. It was a Makko freakout scenario, obviously, where, you know, her powers are making her go crazy. but like, I don't know. It felt one so out of character, but then also I'm like, that was another one. I'm like,
Starting point is 00:42:19 why are we here? Like, what does this serve? Yasmin, at this point, didn't feel like a strong enough villain for it to be shot. All of these things are such leaps and logic and such escalations out of nowhere. Again, of like,
Starting point is 00:42:33 I'm a shape shifter. Why, tickle your brain? And then I'm tickling everyone's brain, but I'm projecting into their brain. So you're just Professor X. I don't know. And it's an entire town that this has happened to now.
Starting point is 00:42:41 We've expanded upon just two people. And now an entire. town has had two timelines combined into one. Like that is an insane idea. And by the ending of this, the whole thing that all the, like, none of this matters. Like, none of this matter. Saffi's fucking alive. That pissed me off. The fact that Sopi is just canonically alive now is like, it, I can never, I can, I can, she was dead. She died. And I understand we're trying to, like, it just, she's just alive now. Okay, fine, whatever. Like, the morning doesn't matter anymore. Do you think the merging of timelines could be a thing that made,
Starting point is 00:43:14 Because like if you think about it, right? Like all their brains got merged into the one, but like her brain got merged into a dead brain. So she's just dead. So she's like a half dead. Yeah, a zombie version. Again, like, you know,
Starting point is 00:43:29 my last screenshot of number 13, right, is did you accept or reject Safi, right? 68% agreed and accepted her. 32% refused. Sofi still believes in you is the option there. So it's like, again, did she didn't,
Starting point is 00:43:43 I didn't, read anything she was saying is I'm gonna get the mutants and we're going to war and it's just the writing on the wall so I refused it just because I was like I feel like this is I just it wasn't anything crazy I was just like I just was playing this I'm like they're sending her up to be like this like
Starting point is 00:43:58 oh I don't believe in I can change fate I can do exactly what Life at Strange won like Max felt like she can just rewind time I can just we can use our powers we're gods like she didn't say that at that point but she was kind of getting there so I was like let me refuse and she was just like oh really and she got a little mad at me and then same ending that you all felt like
Starting point is 00:44:14 It didn't change too much. Yeah, I totally got that. She's about to become Magneto. But, like, not that, like, she's about to be evil, right? But I was like, you go, girl, go beat. I don't care. That's where I was going to do. Everybody sucks here, right?
Starting point is 00:44:24 Just like, everybody in Arcadia Bay, they deserve to die. As soon as she was like, we can find more people like us. Like, come with me. I'm like, all right, cool. This is three more games right here. Can't wait for Safi to roll up on Alex. What is your power? She's like, I feel emotions.
Starting point is 00:44:37 All right. See later. And that's the thing, like, what are these sequels, right? Because we're definitely going to bring back the kids or kid. I don't know what happened in Life Strange 2. I don't know. They might have both died. I don't know. It depends on your ending, I do believe. Okay, but like we're going to, we're going to bring back
Starting point is 00:44:50 some version of that, right? We're going to probably get Alex. We're probably going to, Chloe's definitely going to be a part of this, right? Like, that sucks. Like, I do not. I do not. I think you find different. I think Chloe might be gone. No, I think Chloe's going to, she'll, we're going back to Arcady Bay. They said it. They said it at the ending of the game where she's like, where, they're talking to Moses and
Starting point is 00:45:06 then I believe she looks at her, looks at her, and it's like, you know, I might have to go back eventually. Like eventually. I didn't get that. Yeah, she said that like she, they tease her going back to Arcadia Bay. Oh,
Starting point is 00:45:15 my whole, I mean, well, like Cardi B is dead for you, right? So, Arcadia Bay is just gone for you. Great point. Yeah. So for me, like,
Starting point is 00:45:21 they, well, I'll tell you right now then, you're not going back to Arcadia. Oh, really? If they got to split it and make it make sense either way, I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:45:28 Yeah. I think they're going back. Was your speech, her being like I'm saying? Because that's my speech. Max is the whole thing. Like, her final thing is just like, And I've decided I'm not going anywhere.
Starting point is 00:45:37 Cool. What the fuck happened with the timelines? A diamond just asked you and you said you talk about it a second. It's time to talk about it. Here's the thing. Elle Watcher and Chad brings up an interesting point. That's how they bring back Chloe bringing the two realities together, which would be very messy if they did it like that.
Starting point is 00:45:52 But like, I think you guys would have got a text then. Maybe. Yeah. Which would have been cool for you guys. Yeah. It would have been cool for the whole point of her. That would have been crazy.
Starting point is 00:46:00 She persevered through the storm this time, right? And like saw that shit through. So it would be very interesting if like this is how. they undid our decision from Life Strange One. We should be fucked up. Don't do that. But I don't know. It could be cool.
Starting point is 00:46:11 It could be interesting if they, like, did that for the next game. And I don't want to speculate on developers or publishers or whatever, but I'm going to speculate a little bit. Do it? This feels like. Do we have a speculation station sound effect? I don't think we do. It's just a daily soundboard. Oh.
Starting point is 00:46:24 Hey! This feels like square meddling, right? This feels like true colors did fine. And they're like, we can't, we can't just keep on reinventing the wheel every time. We have to make at least three games out of this. We got to continue the story. How do we do that? Well, people like Max, people like Chloe.
Starting point is 00:46:41 Okay, let's do that. Let's branch off of that. This does not feel like, oh, man, we have this great idea for three games. It feels very rushed and forced. Do you think that this is just the setup game, then? For a bigger thing, I think they want that to be. I think so, yeah. Will it ever happen?
Starting point is 00:46:56 Probably not. I think you get one more. I think you get one more. I think this sells enough because the Life of Strange fans are excited and interested. And even when we put out our review, a lot of the comments were like, hey, I get it, I'm going to try it out, right? Because it is such a non-committal eight hours, you know, $50 experience. Let me try it out.
Starting point is 00:47:12 I wonder, and I'm with you, I could see that, at least getting one more. I wonder, though, with a middling metacritic and then really how much it sells. Because again, we're talking about like, I mean, you look at the numbers. I was looking at our live numbers, which granted were spoiler casting, but even the review we put up right, didn't do great numbers. They didn't do a normal kind of funny review thing of a more thing. The Life is Strange audience, while small, is usually passionate. And so if they're alienated from this, I don't see even if it's sold fine, it meets expectations.
Starting point is 00:47:42 Like, this just doesn't feel like what it's delivering. It's making this step of like clearly trying to move to be the X-Men, where I really do feel the reason Life is Strange was cool before was this emotional story, right? Whether it was one before the storm, Life is Strange too, which I think for a lot of people is forgettable, but a lot of people. I forgot that it existed until swear by those endings and I remember the endings
Starting point is 00:48:04 and I remember the brothers and I remember true colors and it's I've always I think I mentioned in the true colors review where spoiler cast like oh it'd be cool that there's all these other people out there
Starting point is 00:48:13 when if they'll ever meet but I don't want them to meet in a we're the outcasts and we have these things and we all need to do it should just be these moments in their lives I think you know
Starting point is 00:48:22 the gimmick of Life's Strange is interesting in itself right it is a DeGrosi style or like you know high school drama or young adult drama with superpowers as an interesting element that's pushing the story along.
Starting point is 00:48:33 That's like a metaphor. You know what I mean? Like it's never like a real thing necessarily. It's not like jump back to before the storm. There's no powers. You play as Chloe. Like can you remember your lines in the school play? I was like this.
Starting point is 00:48:45 I'm playing. I'm like, this is great. I fucking love Rachel. Like you argued with people and it was a mini game or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:53 Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to before the storm. Um, but yeah. No, I don't know. Like I also, I don't know if we're going to get Alex back or like the life of strange two kids. I read it as like we're going to find totally new kids with powers.
Starting point is 00:49:03 Because like the, what was your name Violet or like the girl that had the nosebleed at the end of it? Diamond. Diamond, thank you. I mean, like, I feel like that is like the start of we're building a team and it's going to be all new characters. Everybody who gets a nosebleed clearly. That's why they all's like so. Diamond's just got just, she's got a dry nose. Yeah, a bunch of elementary school.
Starting point is 00:49:21 Like. NERTS office. NERTSISTS. He's camping out. Has anybody got a headache? I would love to talk to you about that. this. Yeah, I, I am, I'm so interested what the future of life is strange is here, right? Like, of course, I do not want anything bad to happen to deck nine, right? But of course, of course,
Starting point is 00:49:39 absolutely not. But I also see like, uh, broke it, lost record, lost records, lost records, looming and rage coming out and potentially eating their lunch of like, no, this is how you make a next generation life is strange. And you thought that that was true colors. This is how you do it, right? And then just kind of being like, okay, well, I don't know what to do with life Strange anymore. Let's shudder this or put them on to something. Yeah, put, honestly, put them, put them onto doing something else completely different off
Starting point is 00:50:04 of Life Estrange, deck nine, and then maybe look at Donod and be like, hey, do you want the license back? We can give this to you. Make another Captain Underpants or whatever his name was. That's true. Yeah. Wasn't it was not Left Strange to you? Captain Spirit. Captain Spirit. Thank you. Captain Underpants Life Estrangeeat would be
Starting point is 00:50:18 fired. That would be crazy. But it's sad. This is a depressing one for me. I mean, after After we finish this one, again, my partner, Leanza, the biggest Life of Strange fan you could possibly imagine. We finished this game. And I was like, okay, that sucked, right? Let's watch the penguin, right? Let's get our spirits up.
Starting point is 00:50:37 She looked at me, she's like, I need to be alone. And she walked into the bedroom and locked the door. And I was like, I've never seen this happen to you before when it comes to the media. Like, this fucked her up in a real way of like, this is disappointing to the Life of Strange fans. And that's, once you have broken that fan base, that very small, passionate fan base, it's going to take a lot to bring them all together. Do you think we're on the way more negative side? Like the IG 9 out of 10 surprised me a lot. Sure. I'm going through, right?
Starting point is 00:51:00 Like, 73 on Metacritic, I think is pointing to a slower. I want to go to the subreddit, right? Like, I haven't looked and done that deep dive. But like, for me, like, I'm on it. Yeah, that's good. That's a great. The subreddit to me is like, I sure, absolutely, critic scores are great, but like, this is, this is where the bread and butter is.
Starting point is 00:51:15 Yeah, exactly. Let's go to the streets. Oh, they were all just on strange redding right now. I pulled up the IGN review just because I'm interested. And don't go to the no salt version of it. I'm sure that exists. Yeah, I'm looking at what here. Steam reviews are mixed, it looks like.
Starting point is 00:51:31 In eight hours, eight hour ago, Lone underscore Wolfie posted on the Life is Strange subredited, just the overall IP Life is Strange subreddit. Ratings out of 10 for double exposure. I'd love to hear people's opinions. Personally for myself, it's a six. They obviously rushed to the games. There were so many glitches in audio.
Starting point is 00:51:48 Oh, man, the glitches too, yeah. Oh, dude. Our time to characters are speaking, a little volume, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let's open the comments. which aren't opening for some reason. Here we go. Yeah, mixed on Steam is...
Starting point is 00:51:57 What are you doing? What's up? Send it to assets. Send it to assets. The story confused me so much I had to pause and say what the hell happened every 20 minutes.
Starting point is 00:52:12 Like a 7, 6.5, 6 out of 10. 4.5 out of 10 for a new fan who didn't play the original maybe would be like a 6 out of 10. I tried to set aside the Chloe issue and play through it as a base sequel.
Starting point is 00:52:22 The plot holes are frustrating. The romances were awful. Amanda is all right, just kind of bland. Vin was actually off-putting and his aggressive flirting while mourning a friend who was murdered.
Starting point is 00:52:32 I don't like that both romances just throw themselves at you constantly. No respect for no respect for Max and Chloe is strange. Anyways, this is the thing that says you're in the snapping turtle is doing for me and see
Starting point is 00:52:47 it because the max holding it done. Which is another great point of like they have the bathrooms the gender neutral bathroom is right in front of them so they're I'm assuming they're one cedars but rather than go into the bathrooms
Starting point is 00:53:08 to go between dimensions Max just walks into the hallway and goes through it like close enough and we've seen Moses react like so anybody is just sitting there eating like having a smoke on the patio you look this girl opens up a gold door and walks in here he's terrible hide and seek because like any of the fucking spots where you changed
Starting point is 00:53:26 dimensions are in the middle of ever. Are not secure enough whatsoever. Or like hidden behind like a half wall. Yeah. Like anyone can go to. Only the ones in the offices, I feel like made sense. Also, subreddit's mad by the way. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:38 Three out of ten. It's taking into account everything that's been said in interviews, putting Chloe aside. And then another one here. First three episodes were decent, had good moments. I went to shit in the next two episodes, especially five. And that fuckery that is episode five ruined all the good moments in earlier episodes for me. I will say really dug the music. You, yeah, great soundtrack.
Starting point is 00:53:57 The music and this is really good. It reminded me of Lake, where you were, like, delivering mail on, like, you're taking over for your dad, and that also had a banger soundtrack to listen to in the mail truck. I would listen to the music for this again, for sure. I would love that. Playing it again. I, um, one last criticism of this, which I think is a huge criticism, the more I think about it, we never saw Max Teach.
Starting point is 00:54:17 And I feel like that is genuinely, like, annoying. Like, I, like, I did not understand. We talked about this in the preview and, like, maybe we'll get better. But it didn't get better of, like, her connection to the students felt really off and weirded. Like I felt like they were trying to have their cake and eat it too of like, she's a student sort of, but she's a teacher, but she's a student hanging out with it. She's a photographer in residence.
Starting point is 00:54:37 But she's teaching though, right? She's a teacher. An artist is in residence is when a museum or school recruits a person with a specific skill or attribute to produce work, provide advice, and or promote the museum slash school for a defined period of time. In the first time. So she gets, she says she had to give a presentation, but I don't think she's. She is because she had, she was talking in the first episode to, to, I think, Reggie. And he was, he was like, oh, I had a shitty fucking shoot.
Starting point is 00:55:02 She was like, no, it's really good. And, like, you know, and she was talking about class and workshops. So she's teaching these kids. I guess, I guess. Maybe like a department mentor. It's weird. It's a weird choice to not have her, at least in the establishing shot in a classroom, teaching these kids or doing something. What's up with them?
Starting point is 00:55:18 What does he do? He's, he's her assistant. Yeah, he just works down. So desperate. So desperate not to go work in his dad's liquor. story, even though he's at college, getting a degree. He'll take this administrative assistant. They can frame some hard to sandbag someone, totally lie about someone's death.
Starting point is 00:55:35 One of his best friends. What a golden job I have here sitting at the fucking desk. Sure. Whatever. Doesn't Amanda also talk about though, or not Amanda Diamond, talk about how Vin's so desperate to hang on to a Braxis because he's not in school anymore? I thought he was out of college. You know, he doesn't go to class anymore.
Starting point is 00:55:55 He's definitely had a college. I was just confused about, like, again, the relationship between the characters where Max and Vinn were having the conversation like the Smash or Pass thing. And then they brought up one of the students. Yeah, and she does say, I won't do it for a student. But then, like, at the end of the game,
Starting point is 00:56:11 at least for me, Vin, in that student, seem like they're dating. Yeah, they are. And I was like, wait, random as fuck. Yeah, I was just very confused of like what the ages were here. Yeah. What the authority relationships are. And she was off you go to school?
Starting point is 00:56:22 this should not be a question. She's a grad student, right? I think she's a grad student. I think that's right. I think that's right. But it is weird to have so many of these like one foot in the door, one foot out the door characters
Starting point is 00:56:36 said at a college. Everybody seems like a student here. Remember when Lucas had a restraining order against Safi? That was a big deal. And then it meant nothing because I didn't even tell Sophie about the restraining order. And then she walks up to him and he doesn't even mention it. And we don't even talk about it.
Starting point is 00:56:49 And that was one of the big choices of the whole episode. Whatever. Sorry. Now we're just getting into that. But this is the problem. This is why I honestly think the game
Starting point is 00:56:58 falls apart. And for me, life is strange, double exposure is a 5.5 out of 10. That's where you clip. Yeah, you get it clean. I appreciate it. But anyways,
Starting point is 00:57:08 no, like you examine any of this and it just falls apart because it's what? But what about this and why that and blah, but her power is this. Why would it do?
Starting point is 00:57:19 It's, uh, which sucks. Because it Again, a lot of great ideas in this. Great ideas. Yeah. But yeah, I don't think you'll, I don't think they'll do another one.
Starting point is 00:57:27 I don't think you'll get another swing at this. Lumen rage? Save us. I mean, yeah, dude. February, let's go. And this might be very wishful thinking, but my dream would be that they just dropped the, like, whole, like, universe building thing and just do another. Sophie went back to her home planet. Yeah, Sophie got two days and it was like, ah, fuck this shit.
Starting point is 00:57:45 And it was like, you know, you get like another like, Alex Chen standalone. I mean, not Alex Chen literally, but like, you made a new character, new, new, Pacific Northwest Town. Like, give me another standalone. What a, what a DC-EU moment if this will be if it's like Max Cofield will return. She'll return and brohawler or something. Some crossover content.
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