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Episode Date: June 25, 2024

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What's up and welcome back to the kind of funny games cast live for Tuesday, June 25th, 2024. Of course, I am your host, Tim Getty's. Today I am joined by the new face of video games blessing at E. O.EA Jr. Good day, Tim. The big daddy himself, Greg Miller. Hello, Tim. How are you? That was the smoke machine, Ben. Those are the smoke machines. Those are the smoke machines that went off. Do I see it again? And of course the one that made him the big daddy, Ben Miller. He's very scared of the smoke. You're scared of the smoke machines? Okay, we won't do the smoke machines again. Let's play Forza Horizon.

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Today we're brought to you by the kind of funny pride merch. But we'll tell you all about that later. But now, let's start with the topic of the show. Luigi's Mansion 2. H.D. Greg Miller. Timothy Gettys. You have reviewed this game. Did Barrett's scary you when he said Tots?

It's okay. He didn't do anything. He's not trying to scare you. The fog machine's not going to go back off. Don't worry. It's okay. Ben, I promise. He's very scary. The fog machines will not go off. It's going to be okay. I love you. You have my word.

We're scared I don't want to turn it on. We won't turn them on again. Don't worry. Okay. We promise. You trust us? Okay, good. Yeah, no, we got you, Ben. We got you, Ben. Luigi's Mansion, too, though. Greg Miller has been playing it.

He will review it here. It releases on June 27, 24. Correct. Got a couple facts here, Greg. I love some facts about it. Because it's interesting here. Luigi's Mansion 2 is what they're calling it. Originally in America, it was Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon on the 3DS when it released over 10 years ago,

which is very wild to think about on March 24, 2013. It was first announced during the Nintendo Direct last. year on June 21st, 2023, which is pretty wild. A long year for this game, you know, but again,

we've been talking a lot about Nintendo and how they kind of pace out their releases. And I feel like there's a lot of information you can kind of glean from what Nintendo's been doing with their directs in the last two years, changing their release dates to Thursday,

thinking about how the review timeline seems to be about two days before the game comes out. Like, there's just a lot there that I'm like, oh, they feel dialed in in a way that no other game publisher, developer seems to be definitely not one of the big three.

You know what I'm telling about? So it's like, it's interesting to look at this where it's like, if you just ask me, bless, when did they announce Luigi's Mansion 2 HD? I would have not thought a whole year ago. When you think about it, it makes sense because it's Luigi.

They got respect for Luigi. You're right. We know how much Luigi sells. We think what? It's going to sell at least $7 million, probably? Probably, man. Probably.

They're like, this is a major release to them. Yeah. The developer of this, was Tantalus Media, who previously worked on Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess HD and Skywood Sword HD. And then the original devs were next level games, who are best known for the Mario Strikers games, punch out for the Wii, Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon, Metro Prime Federation Force, and Luigi's Mansion 3 on the Nintendo Switch. Having said all that, Greg? Yeah.

Let's start here. Have you played the original Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon? I have. As you know, I'm not a Nintendo kid, but I would say I'm a Luigi's Man. Man, all right? So yeah, I played all Luigi's Mansions. And so, yeah, you dialed this back 10 years ago. And I distinctly remember playing Dark Moon on the Muni on the way to IGN with my 3DS and really enjoying it then. So obviously, this speaks to my heart as a Ghostbusters fan. Obviously, you know, Luigi's Mansion 3 was such a great game on the Switch. And I think really opened so many people's eyes to what the franchise is. Because, again, GameCube was what it was, a small game. I think it led people down at the time. I remember people being disappointed.

title for games. You may expect it, Mario. Exactly, exactly. Wow, you're driving through a sandstorm? Do you like Forza Horizon? Okay, see. Two reviews for one. He's like me when I'm playing for the Horizon. No, he's talking to me. I'm busy right now.

And I was excited to go back and see it in HD and do all that thing, and especially because I don't remember everything about it, right? You want to do a different car? Yeah. Okay, hold on everybody. I can do it. Or actually, Blas, you can do it.

Set them up with a different car from me, Buzz. Ladies gentlemen, if you miss games daily, the nanny's sick. so you're getting to see the modern thing. Ben, are you going to be excited to host shows one day? Yeah. What would your first podcast be about, you think? Oh, what's going to happen? What's going to happen?

That's what it would be about? He's still on a smoke machine. He's having flashbacks to the fog machine. He just does not trust it. He just looks at it. When's it going to do it? He's like, you're not going to sneak up on me. Well, Greg, let's, what once you get settled down?

No, no, he's all said. Oh, it's your big yellow Jeep, Ben. Let's start here. Good pig. What is your review of Luigi's Mansion 2 HD? Louisie's Mansion 2 HD is a great game. I give it an 8 out of 10. You know, I think it's a fun.

I think it's going to be interesting to see people jump into this and enjoy it. And I think so many people play it for the first time. And I think what is the detriment to it is how good Luigi's Mansion 3 was, right? Luigi's Mansion 2 is such a great bridge between, I think what a bare bones Luigi's Mansion 1 was on game. GameCube right and then Guigi and really inventive puzzles and really inventive bosses on Luigi's Mansion 3. Luigi's Mansion 2 is a great game.

It is undoubtedly clever and cute and charming. What do you need me to do? I need to do the control. But you're doing so great. Look at that. You're going forward and everything. Remember R2? Remember when we learned about R2?

Well, you're holding on the break button. There you go. there you go. So there you go. Remember, just hold this one here. This shoulder button in the back, you get to go real fast. R2, the For the Horizon is... Hold on.

It's cursed. You like that? Is he using my PlayStation Backbone 1 to do this? There you go. Disrespect of Xbox. Well, you know what? Wars are over, blast. That's a lot of what I keep saying, but they keep trying to fight it.

Yeah, it's clever. It's charming. It's cute. It's interesting to go back to this. Because I've always been such a Louise's mansion, stand, as you know. again, the Ghostbuster side of it makes so much sense. But going back and playing this, it was like, oh, man, like,

I should have seen my walking sim narrative game DNA earlier. Because this is so that of it is, you know, you're unleashed on these five main areas. There's a sixth one for like the final boss. And it is you are still get them in the bite size levels, right? It's the exact. They've done nothing in terms of, I mean, it looks way better, obviously, right? Like the textures are better and they've gone through and it spruced it up and it's not

jaggy or anything like that. But they've done such a great job of just. bringing the same game over. So it is, you know, broken up in like the bite size things where it is, okay, you're unleashed on this new area. You go off for,

you know, Professor E. Gad, you do the thing and he, he pixelates you back to him. And so you keep going back to the same areas with the doors unlocked to do the next thing to keep pushing it a little bit further and a little bit further, a little bit further,

a little bit further. What it does so well is, I think, charm pants off you and give you these mini doses of the aha moments. Like, none of the puzzles in this. are incredibly difficult, right? But it is that thing of like, okay,

it does such a great job of keeping the level design simple of. I'm in this room. I know I need to get that way. You know, I'm using my ghost black light to see that they went through the wall or into this bed. What can I interact?

Oh, as you see right here, a fan move the wall out. Okay, that's fun. And again, as you're going with your polter gust as usual, just sucking up everything, blowing everything. You know how you doing this game bless. you inevitably run into these moments and find these things organically.

But then there's are those little bit of roadblocks where it is, okay, well, what do I do from here? What do I do? When you figure it, it feels so good. Again, you know, I didn't even remember this, but I was watching IGN's review this morning, which takes a pop shot right off the bat, like right out of the gate of Ghostbusters Frozen Empire.

And I will have, I will have a video fucking response, Tristan, all right? But it is the idea, right, of like, you're in there and you're doing all stuff. I didn't remember even on the 3DS that you didn't have that second stick, right? So it was way different controlling it. The way this controls is how it controls in Luigi's Mansion 3, which is the twin stick. You know, you have the full blown thing.

What I really liked about it was, you know, twin stick for movement and obviously aiming your flashlight or your black light flashlight or your polter gust, right? But then also up on top, having suck and blow and then also having the lights up there. So you never had to take your fingers off the stick, except for interactions with X to really go back and open a door and do whatever. However, back to it, like, just to, I mean, Luigi is so cool. I like Luigi. I like that he gets to go do this. I like that he gets to be a

Ghostbuster. And I think they really have fun with the puzzles and the challenges and the bosses here, where it would be those things of, what are you going to do with this Jeep? Oh my gosh, you're doing so well in the Sandstorm, buddy. They really make it enjoyable for you to be like, well, how do I fight this giant spider? What do I do I do? I'm in a very dark area. Clearly, I need fire, but how do I get the fire? of where it needs to be.

So you were talking about this being, since it's the remaster of the 3DS game, the 3DS game, very bite-sized. There's multiple mansions going on, as opposed to the one central core mansion. Do you feel that the, because I was based more on a handheld type of play, did you find yourself playing this more handheld

or more attached to the TV? Oh my gosh, you got out of the sandstorm. What a great job, Benny. Oh, my God, a dog. There's no name. The entire Miller household is here. You thought you wouldn't get vibes of the spare bedroom. Yeah, Blessing's going to set you up with another car.

Cole, what are you doing? Oh, my lord, you know what I mean? I found myself honestly playing this on the TV the most. Like, I was very much committed to, again, thank you for the kiss. I was committed to doing handheld like I always do with my switch. But again, with it being so pretty and so popping with color, I wanted to play it on the TV. So taking it downstairs and putting it on the 80-inch TV was fantastic. Whoa!

this car that bless gave you. Whoa. And then in general, too, I found, you know, I give Tim a lot of crap, all right? This guy. Ugh. Yuck. You know what I mean? Finally would say it.

I don't know what it is about this game, but I did find myself like, oh, man, my hands don't feel good on the switch. Usually I'm fine with it. Usually I have no problem, but I did want to get behind a pro controller for it and have it up there. What's wrong with your car? Remember R2. You gotta press R2. Stopping.

It's stopping. Oh no. Hold on. Let me see what I got here. Plus, did you ever play? No. What's your history of Luigi's Mansion? Zero history.

Oh. Yeah. No, it's one of those ones where, like, it's funny because I defend Luigi so much, at least in the last week. But I've never touched Luigi's Mansion. It goes back to me not being a GameCube kid, right? Like, I've never had a GameCube growing up. And so there's just a generation of Nintendo that is a blank spot for me.

And so, like, I never built up that fandom in Luigi's Mansion. And, like, whenever. And I also never had a 3DS either. So, like, Dark Moon came out, didn't have a way to play, didn't care. And then Luigi's Main Street came out. I was always like, all right, cool. Like, it... You should play 3, man.

Do you think so? Well, I mean, my question is, should I play this one? Oh, my gosh. You got out of the Sandstorm again. My thought on that would be, no, jump to 3. I think 3 does so much and is such more a modern game and a bigger game. Again, this is a 3DS game. It looks great.

I think there are clever puzzles and challenges and stuff. But the Switch version had way more going on for three. What? What are you pointing at? You're just doing the donuts? What I love is that like, everybody in chat is so on board. I know.

I don't know what's up. Everybody's like, this is the best episode. It's a new era kind of funny. And it works for a Luigi's mansion thing. I apologize if you're not enjoying the Ben introductions. But I sure am. Yeah, I would say jump to three because, again,

Meteor campaign, more going on, more diversification. But this is a lot of fun. Like, I do think this is an enjoyable. Luigi's mansion that, again, is an eight in modern times, which is nothing to kick out of bed, right? For real. I think that's a big deal to say, because that's Greg Miller

giving this game an 8 out of 10 on the kind of funny scale. And a guy who hates Nintendo. Jimmy Jay in the chat saying, pretending this is a big release is untruthful. And I just wanted to say, like, Greg's given this at 8, like, this game, yes, it is a remaster of a 10-year-old 3DS game, but there's something about the Nintendo games

that there's the magic and care put into them of how they're made, that like, the more times they can be like brought into modern eras. Like they hold up. And I don't, you know, again,

as somebody who just recently did a Greg way that was, I wish I was a Nintendo kid. I wish I had been raised there. There is a Nintendo magic. And I really think very few of their games lose that shine coming up to a different system and coming into a modern place. Like I don't,

I would be, it's going to be fascinating for people to get their hands on this one and see if they're like, oh, it feels old or it feels small or like, Will they understand that this was a D.S game? No, no, I'm saying if you're not paying attention to the marketing or this review and stuff like that, if you're a more casual Nintendo fan. Because one of the things I remember so much about Luigi's Mansion 3 and what I find, you know,

as I trained Ben here to play games. So endearing was like Luigi's Mansion 3 introduces local co-op play, right? And Gary and his daughter played so much of it. And that was one of the reasons Gary loved it. And so it's like, awesome. Now that his daughter's a fan, is she going to want to come back and play. another Louise's mansion and not think that it's old, not think, I don't, I don't think it feels old. I think the way they pace it feels antiquated and handheld, but it's not what it is.

Well, yeah, you hit a rock. Now you got to remember hit L2 and you go backwards. I want to deep die on that a little bit because you're saying, you just said antiquated and handheld. Like, I don't know that handheld needs to feel antiquated, does it? It's not, I think, to a modern gamer, right? Mommy's back. You want to go show her racing cars in the other room? I think right now in the way we consume games on Switch or on Portal or on Steam Deck, right? I think that barrier of what a handheld game is doesn't exist, right? There's bite size and there's short missions and there's this, that, and the other. But like this game is clearly designed around let's get you in and at the end grade you on how you did.

Because it is, you know, how much health did you lose? How many coins did you pick up? Did you find the secret boo? Did you find the secret gem? and that gives you points that equate into a rating you get on like, you know, a star rating and a bronze, silver, etc. So like, I think they're giving you that in hoping you replay it and you come back. I think replayability is a big part of Louise's Mansion, right? And a big part of Louisiana's Mansion 2 HD because it is you can run through and play and like,

I am the adventure game, you know, a walk through narrative sim guy. So I am shaking every dresser. I'm getting the coins. Oh, yeah. I'm sucking up every drink. Whatever. whenever Luigi goes up to the dressers and he shakes and he goes, oh yeah, oh yeah.

Good for him. I miss the Mar-A-R-Ga-Roy-A. He's a powerhouse. He's a powerhouse. We'll get to that. But it's like I get there and my time always sucks. You know what I mean? I'm doing 20, 25 minutes on a level

because I'm being so like, I want to see everything. I want to do everything. But that gets me the bronze. Even though I'm not the high-scor chaser guy, if I, me on the Muni back in the day, I remember going back and running it again. Oh, I didn't find the boo. Let's run it again.

I didn't find the secret gem. Let's run it again. let's go do that kind of thing. And I feel the way they signpost that and kind of, you know, almost like if you're a PlayStation gamer like me, a little big planet of like you get to the result screen and Louie's like, hey, you know what I mean? Like showing it all. I feel like that's the antiquated handheld design of it.

Yeah. Where it's like I think for me, that's where I look at it as a, you know, connoisseur of games, right, who's been around forever and go, ah, this is what you were trying to do early on with this thing because you wanted it to be, you know, in your pocket and move on to the next thing you're doing. I don't think it holds the game back. I don't, I don't mean, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want you to walk away from this review with you thinking I'm saying this game feels small or feels like a handheld game or anything. I think that's the one calling card where I'm like, ah, that was how they built this. That was my biggest question was like, does it feel like a 3DS game still?

No, I don't think so at all. You know what I mean? And that's super impressive. And again, like, you know, I shot at the IGN with the exception of the Frozen Empire jab because they did a great job of comparing and contrasting and talking about it. And again, like, I have the rose tinted glasses, right? of like, I'm playing. I'm like, it looks like Luigi's Mansion, right?

And then I watched the thing, I was like, oh, yo, this is different. Like, the way they play with the lighting here, the way they play with the scope. Again, the ability to twin stick. Like, as much as I love Luigi's Mansion and have throughout a series,

the first two, I always remember being frustrated at times with like, oh, fuck, how do I aim it? And once in a while here, the planes of, you know, the level will get to me a little bit of like, I think I'm about to splash him or whatever. I think it did, but I still remember.

I think they had it refined it. It was still, I mean, it's Nintendo and especially that era where it's like there had to be something weird. Yeah, and it was just, I just remember not being in love of love with it. But again, I haven't played that one forever. And they've re-released that or put it on. They re-released it on 3DS. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, really?

No, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, shit, not really? Oh, fuck. No. I want to get that eventually. I'd love to do another run of that. No, it doesn't feel like a handheld game.

I think it feels like a full-fledged game. The comment of, you know, making a big deal out of it, making it feel like a big release. I think it deserves to be made to feel like a big deal, a big release. I don't think it's the latest Zelda, obviously. I'm saying it's an 8 out of 10,

right? But it is a great game and it is something that if you missed in that 3DS era or more importantly, you're one of the gazillion switch owners who just got turned on to the franchise,

why not play it the best way possible? And I don't think it's such a, it's like such a step down in puzzles and pomp and circumstance you're going to be like, oh, this is disappointing. I think it'll feel like a, oh, this is a more quaint version

of what I've done before, but again, old game is going to feel like the way. Yeah, 11 years old. Like, that's like, I'm very, very happy that you enjoyed it as much, if not more, than you did back in the day. Back to it, though, I think one of the detriments to it is, you know, they have scare scraper in it, which is the multiplayer, let's go through, and you can do it in things of five levels and then fight a boss. It's like a skyscraper, bless. Yeah.

But it's scary. Good for them. Yeah. Scar scrape. It's the multiplayer mode, right? You can do it online or local landplay for four players. The coins you earn in it, you can then take back. if you, the other thing, you know, again, product of its time,

Luigi's Mansion 3, you'd earn all this currency and then spend it in EGAD store. This one, you earn all the currency and then it eventually gives you a lot. You don't have any choice in how you level up or what you get, which I miss. I like the ability, you know, and like granted, I was all useless, I think, if I remember correctly, maybe extra lives were the only important thing. And three, you don't have that in two. But more importantly, I think, is the call out of Gary played Luigi's Mansion co-op with his daughter, right? you can't do that here with one copy everybody has to have the game which kind of sucks now again

i did with nintendo and i think one other journalist we ran and did a 30 minute demo of scarescraper and i was very much like cool i'm i this isn't enough fun for me to want to come back to whatever but i do feel if i if ben was older and we were hanging out downstairs and he wanted to play with me i'd appreciate being open on tv but i guess the way it works in terms of you can all go into different rooms and bust the ghost differently as you try to get better time wouldn't work on a shared screen unless you went through and redid the mode but again this existed in number two

so they're just porting that over I find it interesting that in this Scarescraper mode the four different players are playing as four Luigi's that are just dressed in different colors Smash feathers alts yeah as opposed to just adding in other characters because like predecessors to Guigi bless

you know it's building up to you know three but like in the I guess in the Luigi's mansion lore like do the Toes not fuck with Luigi? Do the Yoshi's not fuck with Luigi. No one fucks with the Louis. In every other Mario game, it's like, all right, here's a couple of toads. Here's the thing, Bless, they only tolerate him because he's Mario's brother.

You know? But like, he had to make three clones of himself and go wear different colors so we can do most players as opposed to just getting a toad? I'm not saying it's right, bless. It's so weird. He's just out there, man. He's just out there. Weegean. He's a weird. I love this. What a great

breakdown of all of it. And also, I saw Jimmy Jay in the chat saying, like, great arguments. So, thank you. And again, I think, I think I want to make sure, you know, I know I was thrown off a bit by helping Ben or whatever, being a great dad. But it is the idea of like, there were so many,

I think every level had a moment where I was like, oh, that's a neat little thing. You know, I mean, there's this one where it's like, I won't spoil it for when you get there, but like,

this thing with a mirror, when I'm hours into the game, and like, oh, that's still cute. And like, the fact that I can be playing it. And again,

like, I think the knock I've heard for Luigi's Mansion from people who I don't think really play it, but maybe they did. I'm not trying to throw it on is the idea that, oh man, it's boring. Oh, man, you're just doing this. You're just walking around. But walking around, like, that's the game.

Right? Like, walking around, like, there's a level in Louise's Mansion 2 HD where it is, you know, you're walking in and you start finding like the reams of thread. And you know, I was like, oh, and like, you could power through that and get the better time and go do the thing or, you know, I'm sure one of them had the Mcuffin I needed to keep going. But it was like, well, I want to open every one of these. You know, the currency doesn't really matter, but I want all the currency and I want all

the things and I want to find the golden dog bone. I want to find the, you know, the hidden boo to go have the boo, you know. Something I really appreciate about Luigi's Mansion series is it always feels like there's the exact right amount of things to collect and the right amount of secrets. And I feel that the getting the secrets, like get or getting the things isn't necessarily the thrill. It's the solution to the puzzle to get them or the sheer amount of unique animations, the unique things that you only suck the curtain in this one room.

You know what you mean? Like, whatever. There's a lot of sucking to blow on this game. I don't know what to tell you, okay? It's Luigi. But the, the enemies, the booze,

like the, the, just ghosts, the amount of variations and character in all of them. Like, there's just so much, I mean, I just said it,

but character in Luigi's Manchin games. And I feel like that is why you play them. It's not that they're the most difficult or challenging or whatever. And it isn't just walking around because you're walking around getting all these, like,

very unique experiences, like back to back to back to back to back. It reminds me a lot of an escape room, right, where I feel like you're going into these different rooms, figuring out how to get to the next one, and there's going to be a surprise, there's going to be a pop. There's going to be a twist in each one of them. And yet, at your point, like, you know, it's not like there's thousands of ghosts in this game are different types of ghosts. They're, you know, the green one, the big red guy, the purple ones that are like, you know, jerks or whatever. But it is the idea that, like, you know, the green ones sometimes show up with sunglasses. You got to suck those off.

And then other ones sometimes they got a bucket on their head. So they run, like, there's little things in there that keep it fresh. And the combat's never difficult. I think I died once and it was totally of a distraction or something, but like, it's fun. Labor Days in Chat says, Blessing is here for the ride. Which is my thing.

The more I hear about Luigi's Mansion, the more confused I become about, what the fuck is this video game? And I think that's honestly the main reason why I, when Louisius Mansion 3 was announced and was coming out, I was never like, oh, I got to play this game. Because I think I just never understood, like, not that I didn't understand what it is,

because I assume you're just walking around, sucking up ghosts. Yeah. But I guess I just never, it, like, People aren't selling it to me as like, oh, it's a 3D platformer or it's a this thing. It sounds so unique. It is incredibly unique. Yeah.

If I was going to go to the actual DNA and especially Y3, it's a puzzle poppy game. Okay. It might be baby's first puzzle poppy game. Yeah. But it's that idea, right? Where it is, you get Guigi in three, which is, you know, the slime version of Luigi that you then can, like, put him through grates so that you pull this lever and he pulls that level of the deal. Like, it's that kind of thing. figuring out and like even the escape room aspect is shit the ghost went under that bed and I and I

and I was stupid this is when I was first started overthinking it run around the entire building I came back to this from like I'm just fucking missing this and it was like there's a fan do the fan get the thing dude yeah it's very much like the Mario versus donkey Kong game but 3d which just an amazing atmosphere okay you know what I mean it's like I feel like like the vibes are just so dialed in on it but it really is just a 3Dish version of like I mean, imagine just walking around like Peach's Castle in Mario 64 but if there was like, if the point

was just having a bunch of secrets everywhere. Yeah. You know? Okay. It's cool, man. I mean, y'all are selling me. I feel like you played it on stream would be fun. Yeah.

I think it's definitely worth at least trying. Yeah. You know what I mean? Give it a shot and see if it, if it's too lazy river for you. You know what I mean? Because it's that type of game where it is like a take it in your own pace,

explore, shake the painting. The dog Nick 96 just brings up something that I've never thought about, but is absolutely true. Imagine Resident Evil, but kid friendly. It kind of is that. Okay. You're just in a mansion or the police station or whatever in two, and you're kind of just like going back and forth to different rooms and locking things and like facing off enemies in between. But instead of killing zombies, you're sucking ghosts. You're just sucking and blowing these ghosts.

Give them the hot tour. Yeah. That is what's going on. You can super chat in with all of your questions, comments, concerns, and everything in between. just like the goblin hub has, saying, I have a feeling Ben will grow up as a PC gamer, will be vindicated, Miller. Listen.

He has to choose his words wisely here. As long as Ben plays games, I'll be a happy father. But if he goes to Kansas, I have no son. I like that that was a censored version of whatever he thought about first. You thought about it. He thought of some.

In my head, it was the scales. Is it PC gamers or Kansas? I'm like, yeah, yeah. And then James Collier says, what comes first? Ben's first hosting podcast or Beyond Good and Evil 2 releasing. We didn't get too deep into the story of today

where Ubisoft is like, hey, it's still happening. Yeah. I call it. What else is there to say? What else is there to say, everybody? I think beyond it. It'll be out first. Yeah.

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I'm doing as much as you want The last couple weeks We've been talking a lot about Our boy Luigi Yep You know and about the value of this character And like is Luigi really that valuable Is there is Luigi's mansion?

Why? Why do they keep going back to this Anytime they're in a horseman situation I don't know why I always say horseman Before the horseman How would you say? You watch too much of what, sorry to bother you? You just have that on the phrase.

Exactly, exactly. So the thing is, though, we've been breaking this down. Luigi's Mansion 3 has, as of this moment, sold 14.83, sorry, 14.25 million copies. Oh, yeah. That is absolutely insane. And then you might be like, okay, well,

Luigi's Mansion 3, like, that was like the big breakout one. And while that is true, that's because of the success of the switch. Other shocking facts, Luigi's Mansion 1 on GameCube is like the fifth highest selling GameCube title. Luigi's Mansion 2 on the 3DS sold more than The Legend of Zelda link between worlds. Wow. There's just all these things real like I would have just never expected it and now I can't stop thinking about it. It's all I have on my mind.

I mean, this goes back to the either way. I think this movie spawned from us talking about Metroid and being like, how does Metroid compare to other sales of Nintendo franchises and like how does Nintendo prioritize these things? And when you look at the facts, when you look at the stats. All right, we're doing, you're going to fax. When you look at the stats and the numbers, there's something that is, I think, special about Luigi and Luigi's Mansion. And also like... Something about Luigi.

Make the poster. I guess when you're telling the Nintendo franchises of like, how does Nintendo look at its ecosystem and rank things as far as, like, how far they're going to push things? There's a reason why we keep getting Luigi's Mansion remakes versus, oh, I forget, there was another remake conversation we were having of like why you would remake this and not that. But like, you look at the numbers for Luigi's Mansion. It's like... F0, yeah.

You look at the numbers, it's like, oh, this is why Nintendo would remake this. Which I think has led us to the question of, when you look at this ecosystem of Nintendo characters, where do they all fall as far as, like, the value? Yeah. Right? That was the question I asked Andy, in which I was looked at as a madman. Thank you, Bear for bringing up. There we go.

Get him up there. I was looked at as a madman when I presented the scenario, and I'll present it to you, Greg. Of Nintendo comes to you. Yeah. In a business context, they're like, hey, we need a... The lights go green. Great job, man. We need an expert opinion.

Yeah. Nintendo leads into a room. They hand you a gun. In that room, they have two people seated, blindfolded and tied up into chairs. Okay, cool. One of those people, Link. The other, Luigi, you got to take one of them out. Whoever gets taken out, they don't get to appear in any more games.

Wow. And you're thinking about the business of Nintendo. Who are you taking out? Is it Luigi or is Link? I mean, I love Luigi with all my heart and soul. I'm blown his brains out. You know what are we talking about? Zelda's about to get the movie.

But we're talking about millions upon millions. Yeah, but you're also doing that thing where you're not sharing the full picture. Yeah, 14.25 million making it the 15th best selling switch game. I mean, okay, fair. But then so here's what I mean, above it, the ninth spot is tears of the kingdom. Above it in the fourth spot is Breath of the Wild. But those are the only two, though. Those are the only two Zelda games ever that are hitting those numbers.

like will Zelda Echoes of Wisdom hit those type of numbers? But will it even beat Luigi's Mansion though? Like that's the question. Here's my thing, right? Yeah. Zelda Echoes of Wisdom doesn't even have Link in it. Well, he's just tied up.

Well, yeah, he's just gone. Luigi's starting two games this year. Right? Between Luigi's Mansion and then Mario Luigi. But if you put Mario in the title, it's a purpose. This isn't, we're not talking about Louise's caring. Another random fact, though, that I... Who I love.

Again, Luigi, I don't want to blow your brains out. Something I learned today. that I was like, whoa, is, you know, we all joke about the year of Luigi. Yeah, remember that? And it's like, oh, man, what a failure. And in a lot of ways, it was a failure. Of course. But in some ways, this man brought the heat, okay?

What happened to the year of Luigi? What was like the flagship thing that happened to the year of Luigi? I don't, I didn't have a Wii you then. I would, what, New Super Mario Brothers? The answer is new Super Luigi, you. Yeah, that's what it was. The first Mario platformer with Luigi in the title. right?

And you'd be like, okay, that seemed like it wasn't that big of a deal. 3.7 million copies sold. That's on the Wii U. making it the eighth highest selling Wii U title when it was a repackaging of the third highest selling Wii U title, Super Mario Brothers U.

Just very impressive stuff that even on a joke of a year, when he got his own year, our boys showed up. I'm saying, so I brought out the whiteboard. We have the whiteboard, everybody. I'm making a list. We've got to make a list of the characters.

Yeah, if you can hold this. Yeah, I got it. Because if you are ranking Nintendo characters, because that's where I'm going with this. That's where we're going. Ranking Nintendo characters. What are we ranking them on? By importance?

Sales potential as a character, right? I would say so. Marketability? Because, like, number one is easy. It's Mario. Yeah. Or is it Pikachu. Dang.

Damn. I think it's Mario. It's Mario. I think it's Mario. I think it's Mario. Over Pikachu. Yeah. Yeah, you're right.

Mario has that versatility. I like how you're like, do I want to argue? No. Because Mario, the amount of Mario franchises that are like on an S-tier level of sales potential, whether it's Mario Carts or a lot of the sports games or, Smash Brothers,

I'll even count. Pokemon has spinoffs and stuff. And a lot of them, they're probably second, but they don't got to like Mario. Our boy. How many, I mean, how many parades are we put Mario in versus Pikachu?

Because Pikachu was like premiere as for them parades, Thanksgiving parades. Yeah, I feel like... There we go. The detective Pikachu movie did okay. The Mario movie did amazing. Are we doing 10 or what are we doing? I kind of put a big number one there. I can make it smaller if we're going alone.

I think we make it to 10. Okay. Because yeah, I think, well, if we're going to put Mario number one, and I think, what, Pikachu number two? Yeah, but so... Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just, are we saying that the games then need to have the character's name in the name title? No, I'm saying.

I don't think so. I just, I mean, like, if you guys are just going to come out swinging about Luigi and you're going to be like, well, he's in Mario and Luigi. I'm like, I'm like, I can be Mario and fucking poop face. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because I'm going, if we remove this character from IP going forward, how damaging is that going to be for Nintendo, right? If Mario disappears all of a sudden, we might have a problem. If Pikachu disappears all of a sudden,

I think we might still have a problem. We might have a problem. I think there's a problem. If we can't produce any more Pikachu related things, no merch, no games, no nothing. Not that like, even if Pikachu disappears from Pokemon games, I think it's a problem. Yeah.

You can keep making them. But like, come on. They keep trying to make Evie a thing, and I love Evie, but like, let's just be real. Pokemon, Let's Go Pikachu, is called that for a reason. Yeah. Like, they had a title of that way.

But see, okay, I actually think there's something to this, though. I think it's important that the character's name is in the title of the game, because what we're arguing is that their name is that powerful. I think that putting Mario and Luigi as the title of those games, it's a Luigi game. Like, they're not calling it. It's not Paper Mario. It's not Mario RPG. Like the Luigi, the word Luigi is that important to them.

They're not putting Samis in. All right, so we're putting Pika and now we're arguing three. I mean, it sounds like Tim's arguing But I mean, I hear you, but I would go that you have Let's go Pikachu 2 in there And then three is I think becomes a conversation Between Luigi and Link See, I mean, here's the thing

Or maybe Kirby I almost would argue And call me crazy everybody I think Luigi might be number two Over Pikachu We have stats, put Pikachu in the name of games It sells But it ain't sound like Luigi

Let's go Pikachu sales Let's look Here's here's Well that's a little different. But no, no, no, I'll count that. Number 12 is on the bestselling switch things is the let's go,

is let's go Pikachu and Evie and it's 15.07. Yeah, but we can only count half of those. That's fair because the other half. But here's my thing. It's because what, Hey, you, Pikachu exists. There isn't a Luigi movie.

But there will be. There will be. They're going to make a Luigi's Mansion movie for sure. 100%. 100%. Oh, yeah. That's cool. I like that. That makes me excited.

Anyways, though, no. Pikachu is still, he is Pokemon. even though his name's not in everything, he's fucking Pokemon. He's a cartoon with Ash. He's Ben's favorite Pokemon. I have all the Pokemon primer books that I read to Ben.

They're always about Pikachu's going to go off and do this thing. And there's 19 pages of me opening up things about Snorlax or whatever. Like, Pikachu is Pokemon, period. That is true, but I feel that what we're talking about, though, is... Because, like, Pokemon Yellow also is a Pikachu game. Well, it's special Pikachu edition.

Yeah. So that goes to what I'm saying. Do they have the balls? Do they think that like putting these motherfuckers names in this? Yeah, it doesn't sell that well. Yeah. I'm making solid points here y'all. But like if these games are like the quality of a Luigi's Mansion, I feel like they're hitting.

I feel like Luigi's Mansion is like is being propped up by just how good those games are. It sounds like from you guys. Because I'm going through all that now that I've typed in Pikachu games, right? Mm-hmm. You got Detective Pikachu. We got Pokemon yellow. I'm throwing in there. Yep.

I just listen a lot of Pokemon games which also do have like just a lot of like yellow branding which come on there's a reason why we brand a Pokemon yellow it's the little rat guy well

the Pokemon logo is yellow first I guess that's fair I guess that is fair all right I say we tie it for now because I don't want to settle this yet I don't want to settle this yet

Pikachu and Luigi number like two and three before we get crazy though is there anybody else in the realm of these conversations here. I mean, Kirby and Donkey Kong, Donkong actually not in the, not in contention with like, I would say not in contention with the Link.

What do you think, do you think Donkey Kong? I think Donkey Kong is way higher than Link. Dude, Donkey Kong fell off, period. Accept it. All right. He had one fucking, he was the arcades,

the biggest thing in the world. He had a cool song, I admit it. He had a great, a great trilogy. A lot of people, yeah, whatever,

how did a tropical freeze do. You know what I mean? Did great. Yeah. Did really well. How well? Let me see. Let's see. Wait, Barry, anybody come out in defense of Donkey Kong? Of course he is.

No, I was actually... This kids bananas for apes. I was thinking more of Zelda before Link, honestly. No. Yeah? No. I think... I guess for...

Those are names and everything. But everybody thinks Link Zelda. I think that's a good part of it, right? Like, that joke is like a meme because, like, the name Zelda, I think, is a more... important thing than the name link. It's a weird one. For Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, over two million on the Wii you,

making it the 11th best-selling Wii U game, then close to five million on the switch, making it the 30th highest-selling. We're talking about five million. Five million. That's chump-chained on the switch. And we're going to be like, so, okay, by that.

Then just, you know what? I'm sorry, just to be clear, then you want to put Donkey Kong where three, maybe? I mean, by your own, by your metrics then. we should put him at four and we should put clubhouse games 51 worldwide classics. Well,

because that's just one example. That's just one example. I just might be a small town pizza lawyer, but Donkey Kong sucks balls. What are the other, I'm not going to go that for, but what are the other donkey Kong examples? I mean,

just like all the other dogs. I just feel like, I feel like there was such a drop off after the, the S tier they were talking about that Donkey Kong just represents like a next level, which I think is definitively much lower than. But I do think Link is a tier. Right? Like I know we're talking about in the conversation of game or name in the title. Like that's a weird one with Link.

But I do think when you think of the iconography of you show somebody a picture of Link. There is an identification there with Nintendo that I think is strong. Yeah. Right? Like I think you show somebody a, I was going to say Zelda, but I guess a Zelda game, right? You show somebody like even an image of a main screen of a Zelda game. And there is that does something. Oh yeah.

And I think Breath of Wild and Tears of the Kingdom being that high in sales, I think by themselves maybe prove that. I think that those games have changed this conversation for Link going forward. I feel like we're already seeing that happen in real time where even with Link's Awakening and Skyward Sword and maybe one day Winwaker and Twilight Princess on the Switch, like I do think that Link's stock is rapidly increasing. But I also think that you put out a new Donkey Kong game like a core Donkey Kong game. I think it might sell better than Zelda. I mean, honest, because of wisdom. I'm saying, boom, better than Zolda. No, I don't think so.

Because here's the thing, you know how much I love Donkey Kong, right? I love Donkey Kong. Donkey Kong is, oh, what do they call it? A social hire? You know, the hire that you make to, like, you know, be like the social lubricant in the office, but they might not have all the skills. I've never heard of making a social hire now. There's like, maybe it's a different term, but I think it's called a social hire.

I think Donkey Kong is here for the vibes. I don't, I think, don't, I think sells well enough to be like, okay, we're going to keep making these Donkey Kong games. but I think if you bring a Nintendo executive into the room, Donkey Kong's tied up, Link is tied up, and you have to go shoot one of these characters and you're not going to be able to use them ever again.

I think you're shooting Donkey Kong. I'm about to bury y'all. Oh, shit. Burry all right? Bring it. Donkey Kong, prominently featured in the Mario movie, on the Mario movie poster as a very important character that we already know is getting a movie.

Social hire. And half the theme park. half the theme park everybody what's the only thing that they are putting up there with Mario thank you chat personality higher that's what I'm saying soul shire yeah donkey Kong is half of Nintendo

world that's how much they care in the donkey Kong brand is getting a section too or Zelda's getting a section but you know what I mean they aren't they well it was rumored right that Iu Numa was there with a hat on that's yeah great no Zelda's not getting anything

you don't think Zelda's getting a section one day per day Perhaps maybe, but like, that is not what is getting something is a giant ass Donkey Kong land. See, I don't, I see the argument that you're making to him, but I feel like that's Nintendo trying to push Donkey Kong back into the mainstay rather than him actually still being important right in this very moment, right? Like, I think he deserves to be on the list, but I'm talking like lower. And I'm going to sound so crazy for saying this. But, like, I think Donkey Kong is, he's there by being part of the, like, the Mario cast, right? Like, he's in the Mario world.

He's, like, I know it's different from, like, you're not going to give Yoshi a fucking section of the thing or not going to have toad a section of the thing. But I think Donkey Kong, he's just a strong member of the cast, right? I think once you get past Mario and Luigi, yeah, like, and Peach, Donkey Kong is right there for you. But I do think that, like, if Link was part of the Mario kingdom, Link for sure would be, would be, link for sure is getting a fucking section of that thing. But my thing is, he's not, and he does it. And that's why I think I do, like I agree with you. Donkey Kong is at this point specifically more part of the Mario cast than his own thing. But that doesn't change the fact that him as a character like that.

Yeah, he's hanging out with the big boys. He's not down there partying with. Yeah, okay. Samis. But I think that's- I'll give you number five for Donkey Kong, but four has to be link. There's just not a chance, y'all. Not a chance. What game is Donkey Kong come out with?

Call me a Moto. Because here's the gamers, like, sure, like, we like Zelda better, the games and all that stuff. And Link's cool. I'm talking about sales. Because, like, even, I mean, Zelda Tears the Hina and Breath of Wild, outselling any Donkey Kong game. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, what's the, what are the core parameters you're looking at for this argument?

The recognizability? I think it's sales overall across, like, like, multiple options for bringing the money in. Is that not Zelda, though? I don't know. You're including version that. You're including theme park sales? Yeah. But like if it was just Donkey Kong World,

if there was no Mario World attached to Donkey Kong World, those sales are Tangin. That wouldn't be able to sustain itself. You can't sell a Donkey Kong world by itself. You can't. You can't sell a Zelda world by itself. It's the same argument there. I think you also can.

I think you sell Zelda. I think that Link's stock is on the rise and we are seeing a shift and I think that they're making a Zelda movie, so that is evidence of that. But yeah. Link ain't there yet. he might be getting there

But right now, he has improved it I think he's there He hasn't improved it Because like I guarantee You know We're comparing like sales and stuff Like echoes of wisdom I think definitely

Fucking like takes over What is it Donkey Kong Topical Freeze No Returns Yeah returns That comes out in January You know

And I think that's gonna be Like I think that's Fully dependent on The stock of these characters And the stock of these IPs I think Lincoln's Zelda are definitely more important right now in this

Google Trends says Legend of Zelda is way more important Well it's people are searching for that go for it I know I know and so then Donkey Kong Is the blue one with Link underneath him Link rarely beating Donkey Kong Should we put this to the chat That's what I was saying

We're talking gamers here Zelda herself I think is more important No Didn't Link no Not yet I think it gave her a couple more games that it's gonna be even I don't think she's far off But I think the I think Donkey Kong is more recognizable to the mainstream.

I'll give you that. It's on. But I think I think Link, Zelda sales are going to outshine any Donkey Kong sales in terms of games. I, maybe put them equal.

I can see the argument for equal because I do see where you're coming from in terms of like overall IP, you lean into merch, you lean into theme park, you lean into everything. Don Kong in the, in the Mario movie,

I see where you're coming from. But I think on the other side, them 20 million sales, man. I think they speak as far as like what Zelda games are able to do I think Nintendo would not let that go I think you gotta let go either Donkey Kong or is Zelda in the future or you're letting go Donkey Kong

Agreed I don't think there's a chance I don't think there's a chance There's just so much money We're smart so But I mean like that should prove something You know what I like how you started to argue back This is a stupid throw comment

Do you tie them? Should we what? Like make them a tie? I mean I feel like we just put them on the board Yeah like similar to We got the votes. Tim loses. I feel like Tim should have two votes.

He's in 10. Well, the bear has to vote. Because we have Barry. Yeah. Bear, where are you at? For between Donkey Kong and Link?

Yeah, to enter at number four. That's like the interview thing where I disagree with either. I'll go with Link then. Hell yeah. All right. Link's name's not even in the games.

It's Zelda. That's my argument. He had his own cable. Also, there's Link's Awakening. I know. Link to the past. Come on. What are you doing here?

Yeah, but those games aren't the big. sellers. They're not breath of the wild. They're not tears of the kingdom. Link to the past is considered one of the greatest games of all time. Are you talking about greatness or we're not talking about great? You're talking about practice? And they can't, they can't, who's Link who's, uh, uh, links to the past is gonna sell to you? And in what?

1992. You know what I mean? Like there's only so many people I own to Super Nintendo. Yeah, it was there's no glider. It wasn't a hundred million switch seller. I hate that like I did a green nod to you, Greg. You got me, Barrett. He got my back. At number six, best-selling

Super Nintendo games. Donkey Kong. Oh, sorry, number three, excuse me, Donkey Kong Country, one, at 9.3 million sales. At number six, Donkey Kong Country. But there's a point that I made doing this here. There's a reason we don't use Musketz anymore, all right?

Don Kong Country, two, 5.1 million. Then Zelda linked to the past at 4.6. Oh, it's so sad. It's a low. It's so low. But if we're talking about the, if we're talking about running this business today of who are our most important iconic characters today, I think Link's got to go above Donkey Kong. I agree. If we're talking about this during the Super Nintendo era, I would absolutely be on your side, Tim.

Roder and chat keeps bringing up which link are we talking about. We're just talking about Link. I think we're talking about all of them, right? The concept of Link. The concept, link has a name, as a brand. And again, my argument would be, I think half of the brand, half of the IP, the importance of it is the name, which again is why I would argue Zelda. for hire, but I've lost that argument. So then if you're...

I'm with you on your argument. I don't think we're far off from Zell. I think Zelda is probably top 10, right? I think once we get into six, it might be a conversation between, what, Zelda Kirby? Is there anybody I'm missing? I mean, Peach might be in there.

Kirby's an interesting one. Yeah. Because I feel like Kirby is all the points I'm making about Donkey Kong just without any of the sauce. Kirby's just out there doing things. But they're not doing them that well. Those games sell $1 million, two million.

you know what I mean Yeah but when you when you put out 10 of them Yeah in a year Like that shit adds up It does I yeah I do think I do think that

Nintendo values Kirby a lot And Kirby like I think does hold a lot It's like if Kirby just appeared It's not at the end of the day for Nintendo But I do think that they're like No we cherish this like this IP means something to us There's a simple answer What's that?

It's Yoshi The top characters are all of the Mario Associated characters That Nintendo actually makes games With their names in the title Yeah Yoshi's a good one Fuck. And on time, like,

do we throw in Bowser here at this point as well? I mean, I feel like you don't want to hear this. I think Bowser's higher than a lot of these characters. But, like, I don't think Bowser's in the same. Bowser's not Donkey Kong or Yoshi. I mean, I think you get rid of Donkey Kong before you get rid of Bowser.

Yeah. I think, I think, I think, I think, why haven't they made many Bowser games? Because he's covering the Mario. No games. He's the antagonist. His name doesn't sell. Killmonger doesn't have his own movie.

What's your point? The bad guys, don't get that kind of stuff, man. They didn't call Avengers Infinity War, Avengers Thanos, you know. These characters are important. Yeah. Yeah, but characters are being important and, like, that results are in them.

They're important in relation to Mario. Mm-hmm. You care about Yoshi because of Mario. You care about Bowser because of Mario. That goes against the entire point of what we're talking about. Luigi's mansion is important because of Luigi. Well, remember, when we were talking on this before we went on camera, I was going to

argue link above Luigi. I just lost the ground of this fucking rat. So it's like, whatever, you know what I mean? This whole thing doesn't make any fucking sense. I put it out to Twitter. More important is to Nintendo. Donkey Kong, Link. Right now, let me get a refresh. Right now with 300 plus votes.

Link is winning with 84% of the vote. I'm not surprised. That is gamers. gamers. Because I guess that's the thing is like if people are bringing in quality of game like there have been way more high quality Zelda games than there have been high quality Donkey Kong games. I feel like

some of the donkey Kong games are some of the best in their genre of all time period but just some whereas Zelda it's like Zelda is its genre. Zelda is like the defining thing and they keep redefining what that means and they've had multiple wins where I'm not talking about quality at all.

Talk about the sales. Talking about the value of these characters. Important to Nintendo. Yeah. Which again, I think it's insane that Pikachu and Luigi are tied. Pikachu should clearly be number two. I agree with that. Yeah, I tend to agree with that too. Will there anything weigh the votes then? I think we don't have the votes.

Piquet two. Luigi at three. It's funny though, because going on, where you guys are arguing, I put Pikachu one. Value to Nintendo? Yeah. Do you think Pikachu is more valuable to Nintendo than Mario? I think Pikachu itself, it's like, yeah, Pikachu would be making money left and right.

like the most valuable IP period is Pokemon so just by default they're in more places there's more value I need you to correct that spell like Greg L-U-I-G-I-G-I Don't Pikachu T-I-K-A-C-H-E-W I do think the difference with Pokemon

versus Mario this goes a little bit back against what I'll say at the top of this but I'll make it for these two this argument in particular I think you can't you can have Pokemon without Pikachu like Pokemon suffers but I think Pokemon exists and communities to sell a lot

and do a lot franchise-wise without Pikachu. I don't think you can have Mario without Mario. I think if you kill Mario, you get rid of the entire Mario. You get rid of like a lot of elements of the Mario franchise. You can make a Luigi game, but there's only so many Luigi games you can make before it's like, oh shit. We're missing out on the Mario.

Is that crazy? I can't worry about this. I mean, I think we've gotten to the point where we are realizing how ridiculous this is a insane conversation. But I stand by what I just said. Alex G3B says Pokemon's the highest grossing IP worldwide. Tyler Sweeney says,

Dark Moon is the Peacewalker of Nintendo games. What does that mean? Yeah, what does that mean? The handheld nature, I imagine, is the point. The perfect handheld game. Yeah. And Ryan says, someone tells him that Link's Awakening out sold Tropical Freeze. Oh, I'm well aware of this.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm very interested in what the sales are going forward. Again, I can't wait to see the sales of Zelda echoes of wisdom. I hope that it is. How much did Link's Awakening do? The remake. Great question.

I can look it up. Yeah, because the big thing I want to know is like we have Links Awakening. It's the number 27th, bestselling game, 6.46 million. Yeah. Those are great numbers, right? but what's crazy is we're estimating that Luigi's Mansion 2 is going to sell more than that. Yeah.

That's wild. Yeah. And even with Echoes of Wisdom, I look at that 6.46 million for Link's Awakening. I'm thinking like, I don't think it's going to sell that much more than Link's Awakening, right? I can see it at a solid 7. Does it sell more? Yeah. I think so. It's new. I know Link's Awakening was like a remake of O'Berogamous.

I think there's going to be a lot of kids who are going to be excited to actually be able to play Zelda. And I think, especially with it going into like it's a little bit before but like going to the holiday season I think you should be bitch because I'll say 8 million maybe

I think you're going to get a lot of family sales on that one. I really hope so. I mean obviously I want to do 2D Zelda so damn bad and I want to do great. I will say so far where we're at with this list

with our official list on the whiteboard I tend to agree with right number one Mario and number two Ikaku got the itch sure. Thank you. With H at the end there.

Number one, Mario, number one, Pikachu, number three, Luigi, number four, link, number five, Donkey Kong. Steve Tretz says

Samus needs to be above Donkey Kong. No. I'm sorry. No. No. This is a full stop. No. We'll be lucky if Samus ever gets her own movie.

I'll be sick, though. I think we'll get there one day, but like, that's definitely the dream. We have a list of characters to get to before Samus. I think one of those characters might even be Kirby.

I think we might get a Kirby movie. Oh, we got a Kirby show. Oh, we've gotten... So we kind of already got there. Yeah, a Donkey Kong show as well. Yeah, but the Kirby show is way better than Donkong show. It probably way more popular. I think Kirby's a strong number six.

Got it at zero show as well. Yeah, but a fire at a film show. See, I would put Yoshi before Kirby. Absolutely. This is not a question, guys. How do the Yoshi games do you compare the Kirby games? Yoshi's games? Like, Yoshi's,

Yoshi's crafted world and Yoshi's Epic Yarn. Yeah, I mean, let's look. Not Epic Yarn. You know what I mean. Kirby had the epic yarn. I think Kirby sells more than Yoshi. Yoshi's at, I mean, Kirby's normally at that one to two. Yoshi's Crafted World 3.3.

Kirby and the Forgot land is the breakout hit. Yeah. So for Kirby. But here's why that. This is very similar to the link thing. Can they maintain the momentum going forward? When you say Kirby's 1 to 2, what kind of Kirby games are we talking about? Are we talking about like the random?

Okay, so you're not... Well, all of them, but... Because, like, there's, like, just a bunch of random, like, most player shit in there and stuff. But that's kind of what Kirby is these days. Yeah. Because think about it, like, Kirby is a harder franchise to define, like,

what a core title is and what a spinoff is. There are some that are clearly spinoffs, but, like... Like Kirby 2D platformers. Mm-hmm. How much did Epic Yarn do? I know Epic Yarn, that got a remaster, right? That got some kind of port on Switch. If I'm not crazy.

And if it didn't, it should. Incredible art style on that game. How much does that sell? So Kirby's star allies is at 4.3. Okay. And then, but return to Dreamland Deluxe, 1.4. That's, I feel like that's like where Kirby averages. That's where he'd be swinging.

And I think the fact that you're getting like quite a few Kirby games in a generation compared to one or two Yoshi games in a generation, I think that leans more in the favor of Kirby as far as like what that IP is doing numbers wise. Out of Kirby, I think the fact that even like, like, Yoshi is connected to Mario. I don't know. I think that takes something away from it, actually. Yeah.

Like, I think if Yoshi disappeared from the Mario family, like, you know, we'll hold a funeral. Of course. We'll have a moment of silence, but it's like, we'll move on. Mario makes him relevant. Yeah. Yeah. That's why Mario's got to go number one, because Mario's like his own galaxy. You know what I mean?

Of all these planets spinning around him. Yeah. He's the big wave raising all the other ships. Yeah. But Mario dies, that entire thing falls apart. It's like, yeah. But, like, when you're hanging out with the big dogs, everyone cares. about who you are.

But I don't know if people care about who Yoshi is compared to Kirby. I mean, I can more see an argument for this, but like I still think at the end of the day, like the relevancy and connection to Mario just puts it in a different category. Like Yoshi and like Yoshi's ability to do his damn thing.

Yoshi has a ride at the theme park. We need to convert that theme park into a Smash Brothers theme park so we can really have this conversation. But it is. It's a Super Nintendo world. And the choices they made are very telling. But like Nintendo, Super Nintendo World really means Mario World.

And it is Mario and friends at that point. We're not going to see F Zero enter Super Nintendo World for a while. Like the reason why they call it Super Nintendo World is so they can keep that wiggle room in. And we know they're going to add a Zelda eventually. But I think like it is a... But we don't. We don't what? We don't know that they're going to add it.

We know it. There's not enough space to do it. Like that's the thing. It's like if we get a theme bark that actually has more space, space, which is that is the problem with theme parks at this point, then it's a different situation. But when they had limited space, they chose Donkey Kong. That's fair. I'm not even making the, Don Kong argument anymore.

But I think, I don't know. He's already on the board. We have to worry about him. Yeah. I think Yoshi. Once it's on the board, it's. Yoshi gets a ride because Yoshi's Mario. Like, Yoshi's in that Mario franchise.

I think if Yoshi was its own franchise. Nobody would give a shit about this dinosaur if he was just doing his own dinosaur thing. There's a value to Kirby that is, that transcends the game sale. in a way that I think is important to note. Like he did have the cartoon and there is a like brand association with him with like culture.

Yeah. You show somebody Kirby, they know who Kirby is. That's true with Yoshi though. That's true with Yoshi as well. On that level. Yeah. And to be fair, I feel like more people casuals outside of video games would know Yoshi than Kirby.

They'd see Kirby and they'd get to Pokemon. Yeah, this is because Jigley Puff, fucked everything up. Put her on the list. No, I'm kidding. I'm not to go either way. Yeah, I'm not right. Who else is even in the conversation?

Is there anybody? I mean, now that I say jigglypuff out loud, you know? Are you going to put Samis on me? I was going to go. No. Wait, who? Samis. I think, again, I'm sorry, Barry.

Samis, I think you put it like a number 10 because I think that most people couldn't identify Samis, but they would see, it would be like, oh, the Metroid game. Is that Metroid? I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, just for context, Greg, like, I know the sales suck. But, like, they really suck.

I know. And I also, I feel like Metroid is just simply irrelevant when we're talking about this conversation. Yeah, successful character. Samis is not. I know this is a flawed argument because this game isn't character driven necessarily. But, like, Animal Crossing. Yeah, that was, that's another one. I saw people shot it out Tom Nook.

And that is one. I don't know if you'd identify Nook, but like the domination of New Horizons You, I mean, there is, people know Animal Crossing. The thing is we're not talking about franchises, though. We're talking about characters. But I would almost put like even,

I know this is a weird one, but like, Animal Crossing character design. Like, just like the iconography of what a, you see an Animal Crossing character and you know what that is. But then at that point, we're like, if we're getting the character design, we might as well bring in like wee characters

and shit. Ooh, actually fucking. The other thing I was going to throw out because you were joking about Gigley Puff, I would actually throw out Ash Ketchum. No. No. I think that's like nostalgia-wise, yes. I understand that. But like... You're the main character

and, like, protagonists for the show for 20 years. No games. You got a game, didn't he? No, yeah, I guess you know. Pokemon Puzzle League, I guess. Yeah, Pokemon Puzzle League, that's what I was thinking of. And like, you could name your character Ashen, Pikachu. Special Pikachu Edition. I know he's not

a traditional video game character for Nintendo, but he is a brand and I, not IP, but like he is a character that they own that I would argue is up there. Madag Nick 96 says, is blessed about to say Mies are more popular? Are you about to say that MES are not extremely popular? Like, I guess if Mies went away, I don't think everybody was like, oh, fuck, burn it all down or anything like that. But everybody, every single person on this, in this country knows what a Mee is.

I was going to say this planet Earth. I don't know why I couldn't say that confidently. Some countries might not know about the MES. go to the south of France I mean the most remote part of the world I want to call this here like before we even move on this top five

is this it do we even need to go to 10 I mean I think this top five might be it because like this is I feel like this is a league of their own and I do think that we start getting a little crazier in there was Greg's writing a thing Greg is right gone poor again never forget

I mean I do you think that you could add a Kirby and who's the other Kirby and Yoshi in there but I think once after that is done. I mean at that point it's like the list is is Mario's family. Yeah. Which is I think that is Tim's point.

What did you want to do? I wanted to Penn's back. I said hi to you but I want to come home with you. Oh, well I'm saying hi to you right now and I love you and I'm going to come home and when you wake up from your nap I'm going to be there with Antel

and Uncle Scott. we're gonna, hey Ben, remember that we're gonna drive the white Jeep? One, two, two. Some of you gotta go home early. You gotta go home and nap, so you can have energy to ride the white Jeep with us. Huh?

That's the fog machine. It's not gonna go off, don't worry. Ben doesn't respect Link. That is, if you showed Ben Dong Kong and Link, I was gonna say, Ben, do you like Donkey Kong or Link more? Steve Trent says Falco Lombardi, come on now. I wish, man. I wish we were in a world where Star Fox.

was on this list, but he could not be further. Could not be further. I think we got it. We got it, everybody. The top five, Mario. Number two, Piccicca. Piccacca. Three, Luigi, four, link, five Donkey Kong, and sneak it in at six.

For a god. Never forget. Never forget. There's some really good fan arts being made with Piccacca for the people that know. If you know, you know. Let us know in the comments below who you think the most valuable character. to put in video games are Nintendo or otherwise. You know what I mean?

Ooh, that'd be a fun like- Does the list change? If, uh, Cole from infamous. I don't think the list changes. No, they're, I'm trying to think. How, where are we out with Fortnite? Where are we out with Fortnite, everybody? Let us know in the comments what you think about that as well.

After this, we're about to do an Eldon Ring string. It will be Mike. It will be Andy. It will be a guy. good time. If you're on Twitch, you can just keep hanging out right here. We're putting Sonic above Link. Oh, Sonic, that's a great answer. That is a fantastic answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Our boys, man. Come on. I'd love to see it.

We've got great taste. And if you're on YouTube, you gotta make the jump over, but that's really easy to do. Really quick with that, uh, for the live viewers, we are going to have to turn off both streams for a minute. We've got to reset some tech in the back end. Uh, but we will be back on both very shortly. Bye. Tim said bye, but I talked over and I'm sorry.

Thank you.