Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Madden's Story Mode Is Actually Amazing - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 132

Episode Date: August 21, 2017

Andy Cortez joins us to discuss Madden's story mode, Uncharted Lost Legacy, Sonic Mania, and more. (Released first to Patreon Supporters on 08.18.17) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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What's up guys? Welcome to the first ever episode 132. Oh my God. I thought you're going to do it. Of the kind of funny games cast as always, I'm Tim Getty's joined by one of the coolest dudes in video games. Andy Cortez. What's up, guys?

Excuse me. Oh, God, no. You do it. You do it, that tough guys. again, Andy Cortez, give us it, give us the goods. There we go. Come on, guys. It's so fun.

Fucking amateur in here. Now, I understand that you're not good at your job and could never make a porty plush happen. But we need to make an Andy doll happen where you pull the string and he does that. Okay. And I'm wearing a sombrero. But you're a little bit overweight. A little mariachi thing.

They sell those on the border. I know, that's what I'm saying. If we dial it back and then just steal those, we're fine. We buy them in bulk from people selling them. on the street. My God. How are you guys doing? Good.

How are you? I'm good, man. I'm good. I'm hungry because we went to a sandwich place. I didn't know it was a sandwich place. So I got a salad. And I thought I was full on the salad. And now it's like already.

You got to that point where you're at? Just why don't you like sandwiches now? Because the sandwiches are really good. There's a whole gog topic about it. I'm aware. But I'm just like the sandwiches there aren't like depressing white bread and bland witches. Ours was delicious.

It is good. We had the chicken pesto. You get it just took the chicken out of it with the pesto. That's a good time. Well, fuck a duck, man. I'm familiar with that phrase. Well, ladies and gentlemen, this is the Kind of Funny Games cast.

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Definitely not us. What have you been playing? Greg Miller. Hey, it's me. I've been playing a whole bunch of stuff. Yeah. I can finally talk about most of it too because we've been under embargo for everything.

All three of us played uncharted, the lost legacy. The review is up at YouTube.com slash kind of funny games. I hope this is, let me just... Go ahead, Andy. I hope this is a little bit more laid back than the uncharted review. I felt the uncharted review I had to be very serious

and very like prim and proper. I hope I can, you know... Have you ever been in the games cast before? Do you know what this is? No, I just had an... exclusive ones. Oh, wow. This is your first hour. Gamecast. Oh, okay. I got to tell somebody on the Reddit today that you were coming because they demanded

more of you. Coming, C.U.S. I don't know if you notice. No, they like you a lot. And so I have to hear about it all the fucking time now that they want you on everything is the fourth chair on everything. Why is in Andy on everything? So they finally got their wish so they can shut up now. Speaking of Andy. Get off my back about fucking fiefel. And speaking of come. There was a party mode where we both made come jokes within

two seconds of each other? No, not even. It was like... It was on top of each other. That's usually where you come. It was. And then you did the whole meme explosion thing

with the rapper horns and you were like, double come joke, combo. Cumbo. That's good. That's good. No, double come joke combo.

Cumber. It's great. So we've been playing uncharted. Reviews up. Where are you falling with uncharted? Is that topic of the show we're gonna talk about uncharted? There's a lot of uncharted in the topic

of the show. The topic of the show will be discussing kind of the $40 price point of Uncharted and because now that the reviews are officially out and we get to see everyone else, there's a lot of hullabaloo about how this game is being reviewed because it's being compared to the other Uncharted. But it's just ELC. But we'll talk about that later. All right.

So we played Uncharted. I played City Skylines the first night that I got a code for it. I had that and Sonic Mania at the same time. Went back and forth between them. City Skylines runs really well and PlayStation 4. I'm impressed with the interface for. I didn't play the Xbox 1 version. even though I got a code for it back in the day.

But I played it on PC. I like, you know, SimCity. I like those kind of games. I jumped in, had a good time. My first city failed miserably, so I'm excited to get in there and learn from my mistakes

because it is a little bit different. But it is also, it's a little bit different in terms of like the way the mechanics and systems work together, but then it is super similar to what SimCity was slash is. And so that was a little off putting to me. I have somebody who played cities when it first came out and it hadn't come back for any of it to get the updated version

or, you know, this new console version. It feels a lot like SimCity. And that actually is hampering my desire to go at. I love that game. That's a great thing. It's just not, I put so much time

in the most recent SimCity that to go back in and fuck around with one that's different, but same isn't really for me. I need to get back to Sonic. I'm sure you guys love a whole bunch of sonic impressions

and stuff since then. But the big thing I've been playing that I can finally talk about is Madden. Yeah. Madden 18 code. Is that sarcastic? Are you real?

No, man. Dick? Okay. Because you know a lot of people in the... No, When they showed that story mode off at E3,

they reminded me a lot of the 2K story stuff. And I love that stuff. And that was the thing is I got Madden, I think, the Saturday or Friday of the Bachelor Party. So it's totally one of the things like, is we're getting a plane. I'm like, motherfucker. Of course, there's the code that I've left my PlayStation for. Now, story thing aside, are you excited about Madden?

Yeah, a thousand percent. Like, this is what we talked about in the Peter Brown episode. We ran through the games, you know, we are excited about coming up. And if you're not into Madden or you don't like care about football, stick with me. Because I'm not going to talk about the nuts and bolts part. I do you want to talk about long shot. But, you know, and I was like, are you making fun of me? Because it's this weird thing of like, liking a sports.

sports game in our industry and social circles is kind of like the opposite of like when you're you know growing up in high school the jacks of the cool kids blah blah blah and they make fun of the nerds like us but then now that we have our own nerd group people who like sports games get made fun of all the time i enjoy sports in general yeah spurs what up you know what a joke champions that is the joke yeah exactly the spurs yeah you know what i mean david robinson out there they lost andy john stockton tomah jobs uh but no so peter brown was like well how much you're to play. And like my whole thing is, you know, I used to do the Bobby a let's plays back at IGN. I love doing those because it was an

excuse to play it. And I had a couple friends who have now moved away like Sean Norton who I used to, we'd get together, we used to get together, we used to this every week. We do it usually like once a year where we got together and played hella mad. And so it was always fun. It was always great. And so I got the code. I was excited more than anything about long shot

because it was that story mode they showed at E3 looked cool. I'm excited to do it and I like that there's an end to it. Whereas with Mad and when you play Madden, it is, I'm going to go in, I'm going to do Dynasty, I'm going to do the thing and it just never ends. It never ever stops and it never feels like a great point to jump out of. Jumped into long shot mode. Completed it last night. I did it over two nights, but you could easily do it in one giant night.

I want to say it was between four and five hours. It's a little hard because, you know, I think I put 45 minutes in the first night. Then I played a bit, but broke for dinner last night. You know, something like that. So four to five hours long. Long shot is incredibly special. It is one of those things that I wasn't, when I'm playing it, like you start easing into it. very much like, well, what is this going to be? What am I going to get? Is it going to live up to that trailer? Is it going to... What the fuck is this going to be?

Because I've played, you know, the things before where it's like, okay, cool, in sports games. You're this guy. You're the Blue Ship All-Star. You're going to do this thing. Now play two high school games and then... NCAA. Two high school games, go to college. Come from college. Go to Madden. You know, you're the All-Star. Longshot isn't that. And it also isn't... Here's the biggest praise I can give it to you. And I know a lot of you guys. don't care about sports.

EA would be silly not to take long shot in six months to however long they want to and put it up by itself as a piece of DLC because it really is, hey, what if Telltale made a sports game? It's not like, okay, cool, like go, there are like two or three

major sections that are like, cool, you need to play this, these four downs or whatever and try to get a touchdown. If you fail, it's like, all right, you have to do it again because... And is the gameplay, Madden? Yes, but it's super light.

Because at first what it is, is I was telling you about the first night I came in and I was like, I played and played and played and there was no sports. There was nothing. And it was just choices and decisions. Because the story here is that you're this kid named Dev, right? You have your friend, Colt, played by Scott Porter. What up, Scott Porter, friend of the show. And you guys want to go to the regional combine to try to get to the super regional combine,

try to get noticed by scouts and get into the draft for the NFL, right? And so you go to the, you're having all these discussions. It opens with, you know, this like the video we saw it. three of you playing in the front yard with the Colt and then your dad and your dad whose name I have to look at because I know him is Remi from House of Cards. People know him from, what is it, Moonlight. Moonlight. Yeah. Marshala Ali. Yeah, exactly, exactly. He's the father. He's the father. Maharshala. Maharashtala. Yeah, I mean, no spoilers here. He dies. You know, so like you're, this gets, this whole narrative get weave. You know that he dies early on those. So I'm not spoiling

that. So you're going out to honor. his memory. He was always there. You're having these flashbacks to him and stuff like that. And what's weird about is jumping in. I was like, all right, cool, when's it going to be? I thought I'm going to be this like, I'm a college star, this fucking stud that everybody wants a piece of and I'm going to go out and do this and like, blah, blah. It's not that at all. It is this very, not grounded. There's leaps of logic and, you know, it's video games and sports and all these like great breaks for this kid. But it is the fact of like you played a year at University of Texas. You bailed out. You like, you just quit the team. Everybody hates you for it. The University

Texas hates you for it. When your father died, you just, walked away from it all. And now you're trying to get back into it. So you're going into it with all this baggage on you. You're a lapsed football person. It's been three years since that happened, maybe even four. And you go into this story mode. And what it is is you're being judged and graded on everything you do, every choice you make.

So it's like Colt, when you're walking into, your guys are late to get into the combine thing to sign up, basically. And you're coming in and Colts live streaming everything on his phone. Colt? Yeah, Colt. Okay. Did he go to UT with you? Yeah, of course.

Cole, man. Scott Porter. Well, yeah. They rip it off, I wonder? Is he a white dude, quarterback? Yeah. Wait, no, he's not a quarterback. He's a wide receiver.

Oh, okay, good. Yeah, yeah. You're in Mathis, Texas, small town football's life. You know what I mean? Scott Porter, if you don't know. Rocky and TomTom, do they get involved? Please stop.

Please don't insult this. Okay. I don't make fun of anything you like ever. Never. Never. They're in Mathis, Texas, small town. It's very influenced by Friday Night Lights. If you don't know, I keep saying Scott Porter,

Scott Porter's from the TV show Friday Night Lights. You get there that. That's right. That's kind of cool. Yeah. And Colts doing the whole, like, he's live streaming as he walks in and talking and he's like, hey, you know, pose for a photo with me and you guys are already late. So like pops up as a choice. Like, do you wait for it or do you not wait for it? Or do you take the photo or you know, demand to go in. And then you make those choices and that starts going into like your scouting report. Because it is how you're being scouted. It is like when you're being scouted, it is how fast you run, you know, how great you can, how high you can jump. But it is also, are you a hothead? Are you going to totally fuck this up? Are you going to Altun Smith it and fucking do drugs and drive cars all over the fucking place like a psychopath? like it's this really crazy story mode you're going through that is interesting. It's well acted.

It's poignant. Like there was a point that I don't want to spoil. Not that I mean, you can imagine where some of these pain, not pain points, but like touching moments are going to be of like where I'm playing and Jen was watching for a while. She's like, fuck, like Madden coming with the feels. Like you know what I mean? Like it was actually telling you something and it's so well done.

And it's that same thing of like. That's exciting. We see video games all the time that have all right, cool. Scott Porter's in it or not Scott. But like this famous guy you knows in it. You know. the guy from this famous person you know is in it and they're in for two seconds and that's it and it's just in and out and it's done like when you finished long shot and like the credits are rolling they run all the footage of them making the game and it's all of them in the ping pong ball suits with their faces lit up and the camera it's like you know what they do for uncharted what they do for last of us wow and that was the thing where i texas god i'm like holy shit you actually got to hang out with dan marino because like dan marino's a at the end towards the end of the story like comes in as like your mentor or whatever and it's like holy and he's like yeah he's like yeah he's like yeah he's he showed this and he did that and it's like the story's interesting uh i don't want like there's

like i said jumps in logic i don't want to spoil it but this isn't a story beat right you go to the middle east right for like to go like to the army like with dan merino and show him off or right not show him off but like not a u.s.o tour but something similar to that right to my knowledge this is the first time there's ever been a female character in madden who plays football like you you guys do a pickup game with the army and this woman plays and she's awesome and they make all these comments about how fast she is and she's like beaten colt and stuff and it's like that's fucking rad and like there's a cool like spark between them that's really well done and active we're like that's it's a they they kept saying coming up really they wanted this to be a movie they wanted

this to be a TV show kind of thing and it totally has that feel that now to the point we were making before sorry i got way off track but i'm so excited about this and there's so much talk about it because it i came in with the expectation of wow this is me a cool story mode and it it exceeded those in so many levels in the way of like you'll be playing it and it's still very clear of like like, oh right, these are the Madden guys. Like, desks are bare. Like, you know what I mean? Like the handshakes will sometimes get hidden by like, you know, the like widescreen

because it's a pain in the ass to animate hands that are doing stuff that your game doesn't do. Why would you ever do that? And it's the same thing of like, there's a couple different times where you as dev walk into these like, you know, giant arenas and people cheering or you're going for a press conference. And it's always filmed just at you, right? And then like flashbulbs and sound because what's the fucking point of Madden going to

animate a giant gymnasium they're never going to use? again just for you to see that. So there's little things like that of like, oh, like, BioWare would have done this differently. And I know they somehow helped with this or whatever. Yeah, their names are in the credits. Their names are in the credits.

But it's not like it's their, it's not like a AAA BioWare game is what I mean by that. However, like when you get to the gameplay of it, the first parts of it like where other than making choices and seeing how all interacts and seeing your scouting grade go up and your, you know, performance go down. It's, you go in and it's, it's quick time. Right.

So it's like, all, you're taking snaps in the field to screw around. and it's teaching the things and it's like, all right, back with, you know, the left stick three times over once, then X, then you have to move the cursor over to where it's going to be and hit square or whatever, stuff like that. And it's like, oh, cool, like, am I ever going to play real madden in this? And the answer is no. You never get full on, let's play a game. Hey, do this. It is, you do get to, hey, there are a few downs. Let's get you here.

You have to win this game because it's how you're having a flashback basketball. And it's also totally dumb down to the point of like, I'm out there and I'm just waiting in the pocket, waiting in the pocket. and then finally there's what they want me to do or the breaks open. I think anybody could get in there and do it. The pocket is a football term? Got it. My apologies. Is it hot?

How hot is it? It's not, it depends. If there's a blitz coming in, it's getting pretty hot there. There's people, yeah, if there's people encroaching on you,

it is a hot pot. If your O line isn't up to the challenge of that D line coming on in there, you got some trouble. We get a bit of linebacker back there. You can have issues. Maybe. I mean, that's a call back to lunch today.

For those of you, who may not have tuned in our lunch on us today. And so, The game is one of those that just progresses kind of thing. There's not, I don't think, and I could be wrong, I don't think there's a fail state to it. You know what I mean? Because like it is, what's interesting about it,

especially for someone like you, I feel, and what is interesting about the characters I was going back to you, right? You're this guy who washed out, who kind of had the world at his fingertips and left. Nobody believes in you, nobody trusts you. And even when you're in the learning curve of it, like, you know, there's a coach,

Jack Ford, who, again, is so well done, I stopped to Google it. where I was like, is this a real former NFL coach? I don't remember because in his office he has photos that I guess they went in and like superimposed him in with Tom Brady and stuff. And I was like, I don't really not know this because he's opening up about how he like, when he was a hot head coach, he totally put it all in this rookie and it blew him out and ruined his career.

And I'm like, they didn't just make this up, right? What is fucking going up? But it's so well done and it's all so believable as you go through it. This is unbelievable that we're talking about a Madden game. I know, and that I'm going this long on it and encouraging everyone who has the chance to play it because it's not, it totally should be broken out because it isn't. We'll see if Madden sells. That's a franchise that's always kind of like not doing too great. Is this the one that can finally put it over that hump, right? But yeah, you go through, you make all these choices like

so I got derailed, sorry. What would be interesting for you and interesting, even for me, because like I'm always the guy who likes, don't get wrong, I love football. I like watching the bears like this, right? But I don't love football like Mike Mitchell or Colin did where they watched every game and they listened to sports radio about it and cared about the preseason. I'm like, When the season starts, that's what I mean, and I'm there every Sunday, and I'm a great time. Yeah, right, I have a good time. That's what I do. So like... No, no, no, I'm the hardcore. Oh, okay. Really?

Yeah. But why don't you play Madden? Why don't you want to play Madden with me? I want to play Madden with you? I didn't know... I asked you if you want to play Madden. You never said no? Okay, so I am a lapsed madden fan. I had every Madden from like 98 to like 2008. Yeah.

And then I stopped buying it because I just like fell out of it. Sure. You should give it a shot with this one because it's all... Side note to Madden in general, right? is that I finished Longshot last night and I was like, oh, maybe I'll actually play some Madden now. And I was like, oh, I got some cards for Mutt, which is the Madden Ultimate Team.

I like, I like, I like, I like, single player challenges in there. So it's like, oh, I don't want to play a whole game. I can fuck around. Going from Longshot, which is like, hey, you're playing in this. Oh, so I never, you're playing with these other guys who are just in Under Armour

and you're fucking around in a practice field, pretty much the entire game, right? To go from that with a bunch of created, you know, they're generated for this mode. To then jump into Madden. I was like, oh, my God. it does Madden look fucking amazing. When I went and actually played games

and I'm taking snaps and I'm watching hair and like there's lights I was like shit this game is beautiful. I took last year off I think and like jumping into this one I was like holy shit this is on another level beside the point though. Back to this is what I'm trying to say

with you and what I'm trying to say to a fan who finds this interesting but doesn't know football. Your character, which is again a leap of faith and doesn't make any sense your character doesn't know football either. So he's kind of forgotten it all in college.

In college they just told him like all right you're running this play look for these people throw it, right? So there's a whole thing of like an explanation that I didn't even know of like where the coach is talking to you and he's like, all right, you're kind of stupid about all this stuff. Like I want you to go out there and call plays like we do in the NFL and you're like, I don't know what that means. And he's like, he breaks down what like when you hear somebody go like Delta 32 left right, why slant, blah, blah, blah. Spider 2, Y, banana. And they go through and

what it is, it isn't you. John Gruden. It isn't you picking the right formation or doing the playing the player or playing the play. It's you on the field with holding your, holding your helmet and him parroting it to you and then you doing a remembering thing to go back and build the play he just told you about, right? And it sounds stupid, but it's such an interesting, I wouldn't have thought of that. And there's another one where you go in there and like he's trying to, like, the coach is a hard ass out in his beginning. He doesn't believe in you. He doesn't want you to be the long shot. And so it's in there and he's showing you things. And he's like, all right, let's test you. And he shows you like a formation. He's like, who is this defender? And it's like,

it pops up. Is he a cornerback, a safety or that? And then later, like, you go on and you come back can do another one. It's like, all right, now show me who the, you know, defensive end here or whatever, stuff like that. You go through and pick it. And if you get it wrong, he's like, oh, blah, blah. He's like, he's like going to be mad no matter what because he just doesn't trust you or believe it. But it's this fun thing of like, hey, we can teach you football as well, even if you don't. Not that you're ever going to use this in any real scenario, but it's kind of cool. Is that annoying as someone that knows football, though? No, because for me, again, I know football in quotes where I can do it. But it's like when he was doing the thing of like pulling out and

it was like, what formation is this defensively? And I'm like, oh, God, I, four three. Cover two. I know, I know like three fours and four three is because of Bears defense, right? And it wasn't those. And I was like, duh, fucking I got it wrong.

And it was like, oh, God. And then it plays into the thing where like, Colt, who's your friend who's been around forever and the coach have this conversation of like, this is how they, and it's like interesting facts. Like,

you know, when Cam Newton came in, he couldn't remember anything. So they dumped it down and only made him do checkdowns on one side of the feet. And like, it's just really a fun, cool story that doesn't make you feel stupid for not knowing certain things about football because he doesn't know about it either.

It's interesting. it's well acted, the stories, I mean, I was literally like, I finished it, and the few friends I have on the Madden team, I text, or the one guy, I texted, and I was just like, you guys, I know you're gonna get heaped with praise about this game overall. You do every year, Madden's great. But like, this thing is something special. Like, this thing is something fucking really, really cool. Good for you, yeah. It's no NFL 2K4. Yeah, there's no first person helmet mode for you to run. The remaster of Madden 2012. And there's a hook for you to this whole thing, right? Which is what I was saying on. The whole thrust of the story, the whole thrust of the story. story in the narrative here is that, you know, your dev, uh, Devin Wade, you go to the, the com, the, the common, the regional combine and you get approached by these two television producers. And they're like, we're doing a show called Long Shot and where we're picking somebody from these things to then get professional coaching to do all things like a reality show. And then he goes there and it turns out, and not a spoiler, that there's like a bunch of other long shots. And you have

to do these games to beat them out. And it's all reality show done like a Bachelorette kind of garbage and stuff. And then it gets to him. I think they did that with the, with the, with the, boys. They had like a local thing where they're all these random like people were trying out for the team. They actually had like a show and I forgot what it was called. But lucky whitehead is a, no, no, no. I forgot the dude who won. But he actually made the team. It was fucking. And then it's the same thing of like, okay, cool. And like they put you in front of a press conference and you have to pick your choices and like things can start to go bad. You do interviews with the sports talk show guys, Jim Miller, former Bears quarterback. You talk to him for a while. And like it's there's it. There's so much

cool shit and like again not by the end even by the end even when you you've won long shot obviously you know what I mean like you did the show and everybody who's there things you're great when he gets to the draft everybody's still like you're a size show freak like you when I got to the final challenge and I beat it and like yeah he's one he's done it he's a complete all challenge long shot and like fireworks are going off it's like cool credits no there's like a whole other section of like let's see what happens to you on draft day when nobody fucking wants you because they all think you're just some psycho or not even psycho but some carnival freak and it was like This is awesome.

It doesn't end with like number one in the draft. They take blah. This is really fucking cool. That's real. All right. The show is called Fourth and Long and it was Jesse Holly who won. Okay. And his Twitter name was Mr.

Fourth and Long. It was on Spike TV. Nice. Hosted by Michael Irvin, 88. 88. Shot it to Chad Johnson. He pops up in this. Chad Johnson.

Really? O'Sinko. Yeah. I love that, dude. You also played a game by Mike Bithel, Greg. I did. Did you write down the name? Because I didn't.

Oh, God, no. Circular. something or other. Subterranean. Underwater breathing. Superfighter Giants. Apparatus. Red jumpsuit apparatus.

It is called Sub-surface circular. This, if you're watching it live right now, hi, thanks for your support. Is circular spelled with an S? No,

please shot it. Oh, that would have been cool, triple S rank. It's a text adventure from Mike Biffel, which sounds like it would just be text, but it's not.

You are here. It's, it's sounds goofy when you talk about it. But when you play it, it's actually cool. And I need to get back to it. I haven't beaten it. Basically, today, Mike Stealth released this game for less than $5 on PC and Mac.

And the idea here is that just do shorter projects, get it out, you know, you release these cool games. And what it is is that you're this robot on a train going around a circle, like you do it like SFO or even Bart, right? But I guess it's more like SFO where you're circling this one thing. And other robots, Android, whatever you want to call them, are coming in, sitting down, getting up, going to their next stop. and so you're a detective robot in this world

but it's not detective like you're in a trench coat you're a detective robot you look like I mean you kind of look Inspector Gadget No it reminds me way more of the droids from episode one Those guys I mean it's not exactly what you look like But that's what it's going for

And you're in a very super clean Like Elon Musk train It's not like it's not like A ROM 2064 or anything like that It's like it's your it's industrial Your robots and this is where you are in this thing And so what happens is the robot You know the game opens

And there's another robot across from you Who starts a conversation with you through text And you pick your, you know, you have different responses and you pick and they respond differently. And the more you drill into the conversations, the more you get these like bonus objectives. I forget they call them where you can then take that and hit those buttons to get them to talk about that. So it'll be like, all right, I think we have nothing left to talk about or come down here and hit one of these and like my bucket of conversation topics that come up here. And then, you know, he gives you a case pretty much and you start then going and talking to the other people about it and then using those buckets and their buckets to get all these different things. So it's like, this guy won't talk to you unless you can really help him get here.

so you have to figure out where that thing he wants to get to is. So you talk to somebody else and through asking these different questions, you get there. It's really fascinating. It's really chill. Like I was just sitting there yesterday with headphones on. It's got a nice little, it's got the hum of the train to it. It's got a little bit of music to it. And it's just going through talking to people.

It's like $5. Yeah, less than it's, I think it's $4.68, $48 or something. Stealth released a game. Just like brand new did, huh, Joe? Yeah. Just release an album today. Brand new is so good. It'll cost $5.99 at launch, but it'll have a 20% discount is what's going on.

So that's how it's getting below five bucks right now. Interesting. Yeah. Check it out. The homie. Mike Biffel, big fan. Andy. What's up?

What are you been playing? I've still been on that Splatoon kick, Splatoon 2. Of course, PubG, and then we played Uncharted. I put about maybe 15 minutes into Sonic Mania in between, because I had to edit really late last night. And, oh, man, I just... You don't like it? It still feels like the sonic to me that I don't like of like, I have all this awesome momentum and something fucks me up and I'm super slow again. And I just, I'd rather not, you know how you can go like super fast or you could be this slow.

I'd rather like this be the fast as you can go and this be the slow as you can go. Like I, it just kind of kills the rhythm for me. And again, I only played 15 minutes of it. And, but I really want to like it, dude. Like I'm just in love with the whole vibe of it. The aesthetic is dope. Keep going. Yeah.

I'm going to keep playing it for short. The thing with that is you're playing Sonic wrong. There's so many people that think Sonic is about going fast. And it's not. He does say you got to go fast. He does say you got to go fast. And I think that that's where the modern Sonic games come from, all the boost mechanics. So like the Sonic Generation, Sonic unleashed the daytime levels and the upcoming Sonic forces.

Those games are essentially, you just hold forward. just keep it in the fucking boosting. And it's just a roller coaster where it's kind of more a rhythm game than anything else. Yeah. The old school Sonic Platformers, the 2D ones, the opening levels, like, allow you to kind of just go super fast, hold right and just keep jumping and, you know, hope for the best, just keep that speed up. But it really is about platforming and it really is about trying to figure out the, using the physics of the ramps and shit to not get hit by enemies, you know?

And I think that it's when people are trying to just go as fast as possible that you're not going to have a good time. Because yeah, then you do hit those walls and get slowed to a stop. And it's just like it's about exploring. Like the thing about the Sonic levels, what's different about Sonic and Mario is Mario is brilliant design where there's a bazillion levels. And the point is just having this great experience that just keeps going and going. Sonic games, these type of Sonic games, specifically Sonic. I feel like the levels are designed way more intricately where it is about the aesthetic. It's about exploring the whole scope of what that level has to offer because every level has a different gimmick.

Every level has something that's only seen in that level from a gameplay mechanic perspective. And I think that's what makes it special. It's not running through it, but it's like allowing yourself to realize what makes that level special compared to the next one. And it's when you look at the hole afterwards, you're like, oh, shit, this is something. is great. I have favorites and least favorites. Whereas like with Mario levels, it's a bit harder to pinpoint. You don't hear people talk, like, you

hear people talk about like, oh, Mario World's better than Mario 3. You don't really say, oh, my favorite Mario World level is this. People can tell you what their favorite Sonic levels are. I think a lot of the frustration stems from, I didn't have a huge pass with Sonic.

Like I played it on Genesis at like a cousin's house or whatever. And then I played on Game Gear, another cousin's house or whatever. but I never had this romantic past with him, right? I created Sonic OCs, of course, because that shit was dope. Yeah.

And I think I was creating Sonic OCs around like... What is Sonic O.C? Like original content. Like original characters. Just made sure. During the, like, Adventure Days on Dreamcasts and shit like that. But it's the fact that there's a fucking timer on the top left that makes me want to beat this level quickly and not explore.

You got 10 minutes. For the timer. I just, if, if you're, if you want me to explore, don't put a timer on it. That's the way I feel about this game. Yeah. I mean, the timer does come into play in certain levels where the point is trying to, you, that 10 minute limit does make it a little bit difficult. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I think the last level for me. Um, but I see what you're saying with that. And I'm definitely, I, again, I tried yesterday. Joe, you was sitting on her desk. I was on mine. I basically just popped in the speaker so I could listen to the dope-ass music. So fucking good.

So fucking good. And then I checked out his Twitter and I checked out all of his like pass. I was like, man, this guy is fucking radical. Yeah. But yeah, I was just in Green Hill zone just fucking around. And again, just kind of getting frustrated like, oh man, I want to like this. Keep going. I think eventually I will. Every level, I love that every single level has different music.

Like even within the same zone, act one and act two have different remixes of the same song. Every single level has a boss that is unique and has some cool. thing going on about it. I've heard a lot of people raving about it. Yeah, and it's great. I can't believe that people are this high on a Sonic game. It is so awesome. The menus of the UI, it's fucking gorgeous. I just want, I want to be able to like the gameplay, and I'm

going to probably dive in a little bit deeper in my own. Would you say you have to get good? No. Okay. My apologies. I'll have to get fast. I beat it on PlayStation 4, which is what I gave the review on last week. I started playing finally on the Switch. Man, it's right home the Switch. This is where this thing belongs. It's so great.

Look at you. I love it. I'm not going fast. The D-pad on the switch. Lots to be designed from. It works. Fuck this song. So tight. Not my favorite invincibility thing.

I hate the jumping noise. What is tails? You don't have to do a jumping noise. Only idea. Stop, bro. Miles Prower. You play anything else, Greg? Fallen Legion.

I talked about this briefly on the other thing. This is my playing game going down to Vegas on this here PlayStation Vita, which now has undertale on it. which I'm very stoked to start. I fucking love your pink Vita. I like how you just pet it. I love it. Well, here's the thing.

When's the last time you picked up your Vita? I moved it maybe like three weeks ago from one drawer to another. As somebody, you know how much I used my Vita? And I should use my Vita right before the switch came around. Not that it's replaced it. It just it's quiet. I mean,

you said it replaced it a couple of months. I don't remember that? I don't even know. It seemed like it was just. No one anymore. I forgot about it. Vita means life. Vita does mean life.

When I do pick up the Vita after like playing the Switch, it feels so small. now. It's like, oh my God. It's like using an iPhone 5. Yeah. After you've had a real iPhone. Yeah. So I'm excited to get into Undertail. Jen's in-law or my in-laws, Jen's parents are here this weekend or this whole entire week now. It's like the TV, I think it's going to see me on locks. I think I want to be doing a lot of undertailing on that. But played Fall and Legion on there. It's a game that's been out a few weeks now. It's that one that we talked about where they sent us codes, one of my, you know, industry friends works on it. And that the PlayStation

4 version and the Vita version are not the same game. And you could buy them in a bundle and get whatever, blah, blah. In general, though, it's a game we debuted. We had the exclusive video as a less play a long time ago, spare bedroom days now. And it looked fun there and then to jump in and play it. It is fun. I actually pains out. Stories that fucking nonsense I always hate of like, whoa, we're in cloaks and this and all the books talking to us kind of shit. But the gameplay itself. What do you mean? Like, you know, the mid-evil. Please, please explain. The mid-evilie bullshit. We're going to go talk to a bard kind of garbage. You know what I mean? That's why you hate Game of Throne. We got, for your goddamn right, it's why.

Don't even fucking out with this. You're a monster. Ew, Remsey. Yep. What is it? Lightsaber's. Lightsabers. Anyways, the gameplay is real cool.

You line up your attacks down here. They execute them out. You keep, you run blocks. I played this game. This was awesome. Yeah, right? Well, you played it with me. With the let's play.

Yeah. Yeah. No, the games, it came together. I'm glad the final thing's fun. I'm going to continue to play it. Well, I'm going to play in retail now. But I'm going to be playing it after that and stuff. It's cool.

I was getting. It was challenging where I was going and I got my ass kicked and it wasn't, I'd lose and have to redo the level. And it was like, well, I think I understand what I did wrong. I didn't block it this time. I didn't do it the way they wanted to. These magic abilities up here along with your regular attacks. I'm real a big fan of the gameplay. I thought it was really interesting.

And it was a fun thing that I was like, oh, I want to understand this deeper. Yeah, exactly. And that was the thing. The longer I played it on the flight tune from Vegas, it was like, oh, now I'm starting to get a rhythm with it and go with it. Also, Kevin's ass at the Puyoio Puyu Tetris. Yeah, I'm not surprised about that. Although, I heard he was better than. than you thought Sean Finnegan talking a lot of shit

saying he is the best Tetris player in the world. Sean Finning is welcome to get his teeth kicked in by Greg Miller anytime. We should make this happen. Are you a coward Sean Finningian or do you accept my challenge? Will you join me here? Every tweet is Sean Finningan. That's shot by Finnegan. Shot by Finnegan. Say your wedding photos for Greg and Jen, we're awesome, but Greg says you're a Tetris coward. Come 1v1

him bro. Undertail's PS4 in Vita, right? Yeah. Okay. It's also like a three hour platinum. Somebody said, so I'm pretty stoked about that. But I'm going to play it normally before I worry about that shit. Good funny trophy list too. I've talked about a lot this week on kind of funny games daily, but the trophies are real funny in the way of like,

the first trophy you pop because you collect an item is like, I got plenty ideas for, it's called like, I got plenty ideas for good trophies. Like this one and this one. And then by the fourth one, I think it's, uh,

I'm out of ideas. Please help. That's cool. Now it's time for this week in gaming history. Gentlemen, we got quite the fucking week. There's a lot of shit here. No,

this is my first time on this show. Oh, here we go. Yes. And I saw somebody mention when this, when the rebranding started, what do you do when you run out of these moments? This show won't be here. There's a couple things. Obviously, within a year of the reformatting of the show, people will forget about it. We're going to run into that issue.

We could just do it again because at that point, if we have different guests, they'll have different thoughts and inputs on the games. I think maybe we retire. Or just retire. Yeah. Come up with a new segment. This week and Andy Cortez. I love this still. Andy, what did you put in your body this week?

What I do want to do, because this is one of my favorite segments on the show. I want to expand it a bit more because people have been talking about how much they like it. Send me some thoughts on some time. If there's a game that came out, do some research, figure it out, tweet at me and let me know. Hey, here's a memory I have, and then we'll add some of your stuff there so that we're talking about games that aren't just the same stuff we always play. You know what I mean? Let's start off with this. Four years ago on August 13th, 2013, Disney's Duck.

Tales remastered came out on PlayStation 3. Bum, bam, bam, bam, bam. I was a moment of time. Remember that E3? Yeah, when that song played all the loop for three days. He's wanting to kill themselves over that beat. And they did a sing-along thing where everyone would do karaoke. What a great idea.

It was fucking horrible, but I loved it. No, Ducktails, classic NES game, way better than it had any right to be. It was essentially a Mega Man game. And then one day, I'll never forget walking into IGN. Darren Brazil looks at me. He goes to him, they just announced a new Duck Tales game. I was like, go fuck yourself. That doesn't make any sense at all

When he showed me the trailer And I was like, this is real This is really happening It looks amazing And it was amazing It was just a little weird And outdated games sometimes Can be a little bit outdated

Never played it I had no soft spot for the original Sexton Yeah same It's a lot of fun The little cane The Shovel Night Attackdown thing

Yep yep which is awesome Hard to believe they ripped off Shuffle Night back then But that's crazy It's weird how that happens Also four years ago The same week On August 18th 2013

Another Disney thing Disney Infinity RIP came out on PlayStation 3 Shot at as a Jean Van Yaki Love those figurines Yeah, they were nice I still have some art style Fantastic I bought a bunch of them

When they canceled it Because they were super cheap You're like fuck it I want it I told myself I couldn't Between Nintendo's amobos And Disney's Disney Infinity things I'm like shit

I mean the infinity figurines Look way better than Inair Inbo Most of them Those are nice amevos Those new Samus amovs man They're tempted me Yeah The Metro

The Samis Returns one four years ago in August 20th, 2013, Tom Clancy's Splintercell Blacklist. Man, four years ago was a big thing. Splinter Cell that has come out. Which one was Blacklist? Wii U, 360, and PC. I did not play that game. I don't want to play it either.

I'm going to look at old Sam Fisher. What's he? What's he? Is his daughter got stolen or whatever? I don't know. It's kind of crazy because I feel like I thought it was longer than that. Yeah. Spinner Cell feels like it was nine years ago.

Yeah. Like the last one. But no, just four years ago. Huh. Interesting. Splinter Cell Blacklist. I was such a young.

What was I doing? Four years ago. What year was that, 2013? 2013. 2013. I was in college, finishing up college,

still working at Best Buy. My future was not looking bright. I'll tell you that much. But you had a dope blue shirt. I did. I did. The mobile one. Oh,

yeah. No, the mobile was dope. It felt good. Oh, you're right. It felt tied, dude. This is just boring.

You don't got anything right? I mean, it's just Sam Fisher is leaving an Air Force base when a terrorist, the organization assaults the base, wounding. He's going after the season. It just sounds like another season of the show 24. Yeah, no, no. I don't remember this one at all. I don't think I played this one, maybe.

Five years ago on August 19th, 2012, new Super Mario Brothers 2 came out on the 3DS. And now let me tell you guys something. Lay it on me. Love Mario, big fan. This is the only 2D Mario game, like core 2D Mario game. that is not that amazing. Wow.

People can talk shit all they want about New Super Mario Bros. Wii or Wii or even the first New Super Mario Bros. on DS. They're all great games. They're all great games. Wii won my favorite. That was the one that was like 2.5 or it was like kind of top downy, right? No, that's Super Mario.

That's World. That's 3D world. That's 3D world. New Super Mario Bros. You was still sidetrical. Oh, these ones fucking sucked. They went that bad. We got caught in the bubble and you're like,

me, gne, yeah. I was fucking. garbage. No, they're not fucking garbage. They're amazing games that everyone just hated on. But the graphics, like the art style, they've overdone to fucking hell. And including this, where it's like, why is there a second one coming out of the 3DS? And it wasn't even good.

That was the one we had to collect all the coins. Like there was like, there's gold Mario and you have to run and get a bazillion coins for the bank and stuff. Bad game. The level design. Gotcha. Not even that it's not a good. It was bad. I mean, it's still Mario.

So it's still good. But the level design is just not up to par. like it was short. I didn't have fun with it. Didn't like it. And it was the first time I didn't have fun with the Mario game. Wow.

Seven years ago on August 17th, 2010. Canaan Lynch 2, dog days came out on PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, and PC to amazing reviews that didn't cause any problems. Yeah.

For anybody. Nobody got in trouble or nothing happened there. Canaan Lynch, man. Now this one, this one's a weird one for you, Greg. Oh, good. Twelve years ago,

on August 16th, 2005, Death Jr. Oh, came out on PlayStation Portable. Yeah, the PSP game. Now,

what, do you have any fun facts about Death Jr. for me? No, I just remember that it was like they had a comic book too. It was like one that didn't die.

No pun of time. It's just the fact that it seemed like it went on forever. My fun fact about Death Jr. The first footage ever of the PSP. Oh, really? Yeah, and I remember being blown away and by a long shot,

too. They put it out of a trailer for that thing. And it used the beat from, bitch please too from the Marshall Mathers LP. Okay. Which was really interesting. And it was just like a 30 second clip of him just running around. And I just remember being like, that's a portable game.

Yeah. Are you shitting me? This doesn't even make sense. And they were marketing it's like the PlayStation Portables, killer app. And it was like, wow, this thing's going to be, this is going to be real. Seven out of ten on IGN.com. And then 61 Metacritic. Let me check on that review from IGN.

John Roper Haynes. What year was it? 2005. So it ended up getting delayed. It was supposed to be a launch town. It wasn't. The site is not loading. Great.

Good job, IGN. Fuck. Because, yeah, PSP came out in March in America, and then the game came out in August.

Backbone entertainment. Yeah. Yeah. You scroll down. There's just like, it just says, it says good seven. Good.

Nix. Nick's reviewed it. Mark Nix. That was one that, yeah, I forgot that they had so many people were reviewing games for the PSP back time.

Look at how many fucking words on Death Jr. Good for you. I read Marty's Uncharted Lost Legacy Review and I was like doing wrong. I thought it was a good review

in terms of like oh we're to the point and everything else and I agree with what you're saying and then everyone in the comments I saw Gaff was like are this normal now

for IG? Because there's just like a one page compared to like when Hillary wrote like a nine page GTA fucking four review or whatever.

All right now here's where we get real interesting boys. These next two. Whoa. I'm getting horny. Jesus. Six years ago.

go on August 13th, 1991. The Super Nintendo launched. Wow. Alongside Super Mario World, F0, Pilot Wings, Gradius 3, and SimCity. Damn. What a launch lineup. Yeah.

What a goddamn launch lineup. How is SimCity on us, then? People love it. I mean, I didn't play it. I never played that. But I mean, that was probably like one of the first console, SimCities that actually was playable. Sure.

I've played Super Mario World. I've played that game before. You did it? Have you? Yeah. You like it? It's a deep cut. It's pretty interesting, man.

It's got a lot of mechanics. Yeah. Lay it on me. What's some of the cool mechanics? It's got the tail stuff. Oh, yeah. You eat the fruits. Those wampa fruits.

Sure. Flying on Yosh. And you can jump on those dudes with the capes and they let, they poop out a little feather. You can get that feather and you can fly around the world. Let me tell you. Just explore the world. The Super Mario world.

Yeah. Yeah. Good game, man. Good game. What about F zero? Give me the pitch on that. Ah, just, you know, you're racing. Sure, technical color.

Racing, yeah, lots of colors, man. So you're racing in this world that looks kind of like Star Fox, but on the ground. Sure. And you're just racing around, man. Just like, look at your... That soundtrack. You turn and look at your friends.

Was that one of the songs? Random thing that you probably don't know about F0. The F stands for fuck. No, no. Didn't have multiplayer. There was not two-player racing game mode in F-Zero on the Super Nintendo. is it is it a play on f1 racing like f but it's zero gravity

I didn't know that I don't know so it's formula zero because as soon as he said what the f stand for I was like oh look and I was like trying to think a joke because it's like oh f1 was oh my god f1 is a racing thing yeah and then f4 so I think it stands for fuck what's f4 you all to have four to close out of windows that's true mm-hmm that is true that is true But there's also a F1 button. And this is a computer game. Computer graphics. Computer graphics, everybody.

I never played some city. Pilot Wings can get fucked. Yeah, people hate the pilot wings. Oh, so stupid. I remember renting that and being like, this was a mistake. I'm stuck with this.

I'm stuck with this until Sunday night. Yeah. So that was 26 years ago. All right. Now let me take you, Greg Miller. Take me further back. Back to 28 years ago. Take me back.

I mean, I would have been one year. This being a big, I wasn't even, I wasn't even a lot. No, I was. Oh, I was. I was 16th, 1989. I was like two months old. Alex Kid.

Ah. In the enchanted castle. Altered beasts and space harrier 2 launched alongside the Sega Genesis. Sega. Wow. Altered beast. Altered, fucking turd. God damn it.

Can you try to sing that again? Sega. Cool. Did you get chills when you turned Sonic Mania on? He's got no Sega. I did. No, I did. No, I did. I mean, I remember that sound effect, obviously.

Sure you do. Faker. Okay. Alex, did Alex Kid do anything for you? No, I mean, I found an appreciation for Alex kid through Levi Buchanan. You know, because when I got to IGN and everybody there was like such Nintendo. Kid them like, I had a Sega Master System and his Sega Genesis, you know, Levi. I'm not a real name Levi Buchanan. Yeah, it is. He's awesome.

And he put his Instagram, he puts up a lot of pictures in karaoke nowadays. He was talking about Alex Kid and stuff like that. I was like, I vaguely remember those games, but like, you know, I was master system. I was like, Ghostbusters where got me in, Ghost House, those were the games that was over, double drag. What about Space Harrier 2? No, well, I don't, no. I have no love for that from back in the day.

Like, because I, you know how I was being a kid. You're just playing stuff that, an Alex kid. An Alex kid. You're playing stuff that, you know, the box art looks interesting to you and stuff your friends are playing. None of my friends are fucking playing Sega. So it was like, all right, cool. Like, by the time you get to Genesis, I was one of the Genesis kids who I had gotten my master system at a birthday

for my birthday where it was that I pointed it's a tired story where I point in and I see Ghostbusters I point at that that's what I want Mom says I get it

she bought they buy me that Uncle Mike buys me the master system and I want to say it's before kindergarten and then in first grade I remember being

I had done I'd gotten a great report card and my mom's like you know what would you want as like a reward and I was like I want to get a Sega Genesis

because I'm continuing and obviously Sega's killing it why would I ever get off this train not to mention mom They do when Nintendo don't. Exactly. With the master system converter we can also buy, I can play my master system games on the Sega Genesis. And they were like, well, that sounds like a great deal because you don't have to, you know, get rid of your whole collection.

I'm like, damn right. And when I got my Genesis, it was when Sonic was bundled in. So it was already like. Oh, so you didn't get it at launch. I wasn't a launch kid for Genesis. No. I want to say, and it's so hard for me as a kid try to keep the timeline straight. I want to say I got onto the master system trained late, but that kid.

can't be right, but maybe it was because kids, it's also relative, right? Like my friends at the time, I remember I bought that or got that and then I'd start going to like Travis's house for people's houses and they would have NESs. But I don't remember the first like time. So I went to a house and somebody had an S&S or a Genesis. But I didn't get on until Sega, you know, which, you know, Blake's book is so great about the console wars when they jump started the campaign and put Sonic out on there. And that's when I got on board. And that's when like for me, it kicks off with Sonic being there and being like turning that thing on and going from master system. to that, not to mention even comparing it to just Nintendo, like how vibrant the colors

are and Sonic and the speed of it and how it sounds. And then, you know, obviously, Spider-Man, Tojamb and Earl, all that. That's kind of what I, when I think of my Genesis era, that's what I'm thinking of right. Yeah, so Sony Hedchog 1 came out on June 23rd, 1991. Yeah. So it's interesting to me because, I mean, I was a very young kid at that point. And for me, growing up, like the Super Nintendo, I got mine at the kind of the tail end of the Super Nintendo.

So to me, looking back and just hearing about, like, even the concept. War that we were currently in. It was like, oh, Genesis SNES. Like, those are what's head to head. I would have never known that the Genesis came out two whole years before. Yeah. If you haven't read Consul Wars by Blake Harris, you need to get on it. Because it's a great book detailing that and who they bring in to try

to, hey, we got to stop this. And Sona came in and was like, yo, last line of defense. Whoa, oh, I'm Sonic. That's pretty good, man. We're going to put Roger Craig Smith out of a job. I know. When did SNES come out? The, the... 91? 26 years ago on August 13th, 1991. Thank you. Thank you.

Well, I remember it from the show. I was just, yeah, yeah. I didn't mean it's not like a complete idiot. Like, I don't listen to, like I couldn't remember. Yeah, man. So what I'm going to do right now is I'm going to go pee. Like I told you, I was got to. Okay, do you want to fill time?

Yeah. Are you going to cut this out or leave it in? Tom leaving a bit. Okay, cool. So Tim's going to pee. I kind of need a pee, too. Go, I can handle this. Yeah?

Yeah. You got the single show going? Yeah, of course. I'll go when, when I hear the footsteps. Just go play swords. Oh. Yeah. I mean, or you could pee in the sink while he pees in the toilet.

You ever think of that? You never think, you know, about like speeding everything up. Poop in the sink, too. Nobody's poop in the sink. No, poop in the sink. That's fine. What was the first console you remember buying at launch? Or getting at launch?

Dude, I don't know if I ever. Okay, that's a lie. Probably the 360. Yeah. Everything else, I had to wait. I had to wait, right? And that's the thing where it's like dates like this, it's so foggy for me in the way of like, I'm a kid, so I don't, I don't think, and it's,

and I know it sounds so stupid. Now, I don't know, maybe for young kids, it isn't that stupid to say, but like, you know, I didn't have a subscription to EGM when I'm playing the master system. So I don't even know, it would have been a TV ad that would have turned me on that the Genesis existed or somebody at school. And so then it is like, all right, let me wait till some, like a birthday or, hey, you know, you degrading your report card kind of thing. It was, I, and then I'm trying to think of like, I remember getting, of course,

because I made bad decisions, a Sega Saturn, the year it came out. so that would have been but that was at Christmas still that wasn't like I got it like on launch day I think the PlayStation 2 I think is the first console I know it's because the first console I ever bought with my own money

where I was in line got it at midnight and that was that no I remember I remember having to wait for the PS2 was uh I remember being at my friend's house and the three brothers had their games like it was like my friend CP played TTA 3

yeah my friend Orly was playing Metal Gersoll 2 and then my the oldest brother Hector was playing Devil May Cry Wow, what a fucking line up. Yeah, and then I didn't get my PSU until February.

Yeah, I think the first launch I ever got was 360. Now, so it's interesting because now I'm thinking, well, that's gonna be, I was gonna say it's interesting, but it's probably not that interesting as to go back to what, what is the console starting from there that I didn't buy at launch.

So I don't. No, no, that's what we were talking? Well, we were saying, I was asking him, what's the first console you got at launch? Because this is so foggy for me, right? Because you're a kid, so it's birthdays or Christmases or whatever. P.S2 is the first one I got day and date.

Saturn is the first one. And this is, that's probably a lie. Saturn is the first one I remembered getting in the year. Like, it was like, I got released, the what? That was 99.

Right. Yeah. So then I got it for Christmas. Oh, it was, so Saturn was just this. Oh, Saturn was the,

no, no, yeah, but Saturn was the soft launch during E3, right? Where they were just like, it's out today. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

So that would have, what the hell? So I would have gotten it that year. So like, it had already been out through the summer. and then, yeah, that would have been that. Game Boy I got from Antel because my mom, I remember my mom definitively being there's no way I'm paying $100,

$100 for a portable video game machine or whatever it was. That's what she said about Game Boy. Antel bought it for me. Great. Thanks, Antel. Great system. Game gear I would have gotten late to. I never had a game gear.

You didn't miss much. I didn't. My friend had one. I had an aliens game on there. I liked. The Batman Returns game was good. Sonic was fun. It was just Sonic.

It wasn't just Sonic. It wasn't just Sonic. It wasn't Sonic, but you're a dumb kid. You know what I mean? Like, I'm playing my game. I don't care. Yeah, exactly. And then so since PlayStation 2, I guess it's kind of a boring.

Yeah, I didn't buy PS3 at launch. I don't know. I didn't buy that launch. Interesting. Interesting. I got a GameCube at launch. Yeah. Was that your first one?

I got a GBA at launch. I don't remember which is first. If memory serves, the GBA was first because I think that was around March 2001. That is correct because I remember with that when it doesn't check out. No, it does. Yes. I remember being at still living at home

and having the EGM where they were EGM was doing like the Can my GBA really take down a plane? Can it survive? They dropped it in the toilet They did all these different tests to see how it would actually go.

Shane? I forget if it was Shane or she were who was writing that article But yeah. Pretty sure it was Shane. Okay cool. Was that the issue? It was yellow.

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Big fan. Good issue. Good issue. Yeah. Yeah.

GBA got the GameCube. GameCube. I remember Kyle Hayes was going to buy it. I was late on PS2. I was laid on Xbox. Xbox. Xbox I was extremely late on. Yeah, me too.

Off S-E-8, bro. Oh, I didn't see it. The chair was covering, right? It looked like a Windows XP back in. I was laid on PS3. I was late on 360. I was laying on 360. I bought a Wii.

I was laid on DS. DS. DSP. PSP was day one. Really? Oh, oh, yeah. Nice. I waited on that too.

It was just because I was poor in college. I wanted that thing. saw i watched that death junior trailer a thousand times yeah i really did though i was obsessed with it for mine it was that i graduated call or i was graduating college and i already walked and everything but i finished my final summer course and so like that thursday before i started the newspaper i went out and bought a pspu luminous uh hot shots twisty middle two head on uh and uh had ghostbusters on umd the movie yeah i was like if there is a format of ghostbusters i'm gonna own it i think i think i still have that umd you know laser disc no it was it was a lie you know what i mean like it was a

kid thing. But I think it's also that by the time I got to where I was purchasing my own media, like Wazardis was gone. From then on I was pretty on the money about it. I got my Wii, Wii U, 3. No, I didn't get the 3DS. The Wii, WiiU,

Switch, PS4, Xbox 1. The only ones I've ever gotten at launch were 360 and Switch. Wow, okay. No, and Xbox 1. I got Xbox 1 at launch. Pick the wrong horse in that race, didn't you? I mean, I played a lot with my friends.

I actually had kind of a good time. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the topic of the show. Tats, Tats. If you haven't already watched our Uncharted Lost Legacy review, you should go check that out now. YouTube.com slash kind of funny games. I really liked. I also really liked the set.

And a lot of people... A lot of people... I was really impressed. Some of people liked the set, too. They really were, yeah. They really nice walls. They were really into it. This is the jump off points from a question from this dude, Jordan.

Jordan says, Jordan! Should do new games in an established franchise. be held to the standard of the best games in their series, or should they be judged to their own games? After catching your crew's excellent review of Uncharted Lost Legacy, I'll have the review of a review there, which can be found at YouTube.com slash kind of funny games.

They can, thank you, Jordan. I'm not wondering how to assess the game. Based on your experiences, it's clear that Lost Legacy still offers the great gameplay the series is known for, but the story and the world building is a little lacking, placing it among the weaker games in the series, such as one in Golden Abyss.

Is Lost Legacy a disappointment because it doesn't meet the expectations of Uncharted 2 through 4? Is it even appropriate to suggest that a game the reviews good or great is a disappointment if it fails to innovate in its gameplay or it fails to deliver an excellent story? I feel this may be becoming a growing problem in the future as we continue to get new entries in well-established franchises and I'd like to know how to best judge these games. Thank you for your input guys. In addition to this, reading the comments of our review and reading the Internet

thread and it reviews all over the world. Yeah. A lot of the comments are being like, this is supposed to be DLC Why are you reviewing this like it's a real game Like why are you comparing it to other uncharted? What do you think, Greg? It's a complicated issue

Uh, Jordan does a great job explaining some of it there. There was a person in our YouTube comments last night when it went live Who was like, I just feel like you guys are being completely unfair. This is clearly DLC. It shouldn't be reviewed as such. And I responded, not in a dickway. I was just like, I understand what you coming from. Fuck your face.

I, fuck you and your mother. I was like, I 100% disagree with you on this, but, you know, teach their own kind of thing. The problem is video games don't exist in a vacuum in any way, shape, or form. And so I think when you're talking about it, it's the same way Tomb Raider gets compared to uncharted or any other third person action, we're telling a story game gets compared to uncharted. And I was talking to a friend about it who was like, man, you know, you guys came off more negative in this review than I was expecting you to.

And I was like, well, we got in front of that. And I'm like, I think the problem is we're comparing something in the same universe from the same developer with the same characters to four games that really were industry defining in a lot of different ways in terms of like what the course is and what the fucking bar for video games and console gaming is. And what a bar for what it means to be the best studio in a first party stable and honestly probably the industry. You can't. And that's why I think it's so interesting that we come off negative in quotes. We definitely sound like, ah, it's good, it's great. No, it's great even.

You know, it's, there's a little bit in the review of us trying to convince ourselves or trying to figure out where we land. But I think it's because it's such a slippery slope and the footing so unsure when you're talking about the fact of, well, it is just DLC

and they did just turn it around in the year, but it is this, but it is uncharted and it is naughty dog. And I think Andy puts it really well in the review and he's like, it's a great game. This game is better than 90% of games out there. That's the takeaway from it.

That's what you're talking about is like a giant overall. Let's look at the video game landscape industry and what you'd want to play and how it all is going to take it. Also, I don't know if it's 90%. That's what you said. But, you know, that's what you fucking said. You know, it's kind of just. I mean, I think it's 90%.

And I think then that's the one way to look at it with that lens on. And then you put the other lens on of let's compare it now to the other uncharted. And I think that's where you get into it. And another person I was talking to about all this and I've seen kicked around is like, oh, well, you know, it is DLC. It is this. And it's like, no, it's not. You don't know, they, they stepped away from that. They made a point of this is bigger.

than DLC. That's why I set it apart. And this is, it's going to be, it's bigger than we thought it was going to be. It is a $40 experience. We're pressing it on a disc and we're putting it on and do these different things. For me,

it's interesting. What's fascinating about it is the fact that I don't know if it's the way we've been following it because we're doing games daily and doing just E3 cover and stuff where they were making a big deal. Like this is a, this isn't DLC. This is a full flesh thing, blah, blah.

And that got in our head a bit in terms of like what to expect from it. But then even to compare it. compare it to infamous first light where people were like oh man this is i you know infamous first light didn't get compared to this that and the other and i was like that's an interesting comparison i didn't bring up at the time in the review at all and when i think back on infamous first light i'm like well i liked infamous first light better than i liked infamous second son and i thought fetch was a better character and i start getting into it i'm like why doesn't this what were the inconsistencies there on why i'm not feeling the same way no well she's part of it sure but it's the fact that

first light Fetch's powers are completely different than Delson's so already even though I'm exploring the same city and doing similar things it feels different

whereas this is like Chloe's powers in quotes are the same Nathan Drake yeah they're the same as Drake's right I have a rope I have the ability to climb

I have the ability to slide and it's like oh that's an interesting thing where you can use the same world and same characters over here but you're switching it and flipping it and giving me something new to play with which makes it feel different

and I think I'd have to get in and correct me wrong. I can check it while you guys talk because I've gone on way too long and I apologize is the fact that that was a game that was clearly DLC even though it was it was standalone and I want to say it was 19 bucks but I'm gonna double check that now I think this whole DLC thing the labeling of what these games are gets really complicated a second ago limbo was on the wall limbo I think was one of the first games to usher in the idea of people have been like do we call it DLC it's not DLC for another game it's just a downloadable game

like these X BLA games, right? And it took a long time and then eventually they got to find as indie games, right? And we can kind of refer to that and people will know what we're talking about. When DLC started and it was just like character packs and skins for things and color changes for Street Fighter or whatever it was, whatever, whatever, whatever. But then it was like, all right, cool. Now there's substantial single player content being added. And it goes back to the PC days of expansion packs like StarCraft and then Brood War or whatever or Diablo 2. and it had hits, it's like, or wow, you know, and all that stuff.

But then we get to a point where I feel like we started getting that level of expansion pack on consoles. Examples include Mario Kart 8 and how much content it added for its tracks. Bioshock with the Minerva's Den for Bioshock 2 and stuff, which is that is totally an example of. That's a game. You know, that is a standalone thing that took the system of Bioschart 2, but did something different with it.

And I feel like we're at a point now with things like First Light and with Uncharted and all that. Where it's like we don't need to label them and compare them any differently. They're just video games. And it's like comparing it to its $40 price point, I think is the most important factor to keep in mind. And real quick, $15. Right now for infamous First Light. That's not a sale. I would assume that was the price it was at launch to.

I've been able to dig up an older thing. I feel like Nottie Dog was sort of in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation because they, when it was coming out, again, what Greg was mentioning earlier, like we were expecting a small three-hour campaign, maybe two and a half hours-ish, very similar to left behind. Ten bucks, by the way. And then they said, well, you know what, guys, this is actually a lot bigger, right? So they set that expectation that this is going to be a much bigger game,

and this is like its own standalone video game. And then, but I feel like they would, if, I feel like they had to say that in order to justify their $40 price point. So it's, it's like, well,

do we set the expectation low, but then try to sell for 40 bucks? Or do we, you know, justify why. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing.

It is longer. It is this, it is longer than the other ones we're bringing up. You know, there's more to this game. It's seven and a half hours for me to beat. I'm going to go back and play it. again on crushing to do that. I'm going to go back and get the trophies. I'm going to get

the platinum in the treasure store. I was trying to drive that. Whereas first light, I beat that first time and I know people stuck around and did the challenge rooms. I didn't like the challenge rooms. I know Colin love the challenge rooms at the time. I bounced out and never played it again, but I enjoyed what I did. Left behind is the same way. I played through it once and I never went back and I enjoyed the story and I was done with it. Both of those exceeded the expectations I had for what we were promised, if that makes sense. Right. You know, if they were DLC, even though they're standalone, similar to what this is, but the price structure, because especially what you're talking about, where it's like, all right, cool, now $40 games is like,

Ratchet clank. Ratchet clings are $40. Crash Bandicoot's a $40 game. Like, there's a lot of content there. And it's like, comparing this to that, it gets complicated. We talked about this a little bit at the end of our review discussion yesterday, but what should this game cost? Like, do we think that this game is worth $40?

And like, all right, sure it has the multiplayer suite and all that, but you got to assume that most people already have uncharted for. I mean, if you don't got to assume that, like that I don't know how much of a incentive that is. If they're not already interested in and they haven't already invested in it. So this story, that campaign, is it worth $40? And I don't think the answer is no. I think it's hard to say no.

Yeah. Like I feel like Nottie Dog games are so good. And even this game is so good. And just breathtakingly beautiful. And it takes you on a journey. And even if it is a lot of the same game. mechanics before those gameplay mechanics are fun they're fun and I went home last night thing and I was like because we brought up the what I said a couple weeks ago about like I

would be totally down for an annualized uncharted if I got this every year I would be super down for that like with just different characters and give me different side stories I feel like the reason I'm most down on it at the end of the day is the is nadine's character and that sucks because had this been Sam and Sully Sully it'd be like all right cool if I'd been cutter and Chloe, like all these different things, but I'm like... You pick somebody I don't like already. Yeah, but at the end of the day, I still really liked it. And it's, I sound like I'm hating on Nadine.

She's fine. Well, real quick, just to put it all on the table, is it because you're a sexist or a racist? It's a little bit of both. That's what I told. That's what I told them in the car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's both of those things combined. He pled the fifth.

I do think the review would have been a lot more positive. Had I've been, well, had we been able to gush about those four moments that they told us we couldn't spoil. Sure. Yeah, that's a good point, too. And I would have gush. about them. Yeah, well, later on, we'll do a spoilery section either on this show or kind of funny games daily at the end.

We could do something. But yeah, it's been interesting because honestly, you know, you say that you take this annualized if they could do it. Well, for me, after playing this, I'm like, no. Like, I really would much rather you take the two, three years and come back with an uncharted. Not even if it isn't even. But I'm also totally, I was caught off guard last night. And it's rare that I'm when we, for video games,

usually we're all in the same ballpark when it comes to reviews. And now granted, don't remember wrong, I'm not saying this game's a four or something that, but when I saw IGN was the first type, I was up last night, posted my tweet, saw IGN going on, okay, clicked in and I read Marty's like tweet

about it. I was like, oh, that's really positive. I'm going to wonder what they did and went in there, 7-5. And I was like, dang, that's low, but it's also like, I understand how IGN's scale and they want to explore it and 7-5's good, right? And I'm not saying, personally, if I was still in the shoes,

I think I would be a little bit higher than that, but not much, maybe. It would have been like, I think somebody like you, and we would have talked it out and you would have talked me up to an eight probably, and I'm like, okay, that makes sense. But then they go around and I'm like,

oh, this is going to be the, this is how it's going to be. And I started clicking and I'm like, oh, and nine, oh, an eight, five, oh, and 10? Like, it's like, you go to the Gaffther and it's like, huh, okay, like, I don't me wrong, I don't hate this game. I like this game.

You should play this game if you like uncharted. I still think you can skip it, not miss much because you've played in chart of four probably. But I was like, damn, like, these are really fucking stellar scores for this game that I didn't expect. I might, yeah, I want to sort of edit my score that I gave it last night. Oh, here we go. Because you ended up at a 152 out of 7. I gave it out of, I gave it a 152 out of 174.

And I'm going to bring it down because I, once I did the math, I sort of like started working with the ratios and the fractions and stuff and, you know, exponents and Pem Das. Please excuse my dear aunt Sally, you know. I'm going to probably change it to. 139 out of 174. That's a harsh fall. That's a big fall. I mean, you know, you got to do what you got to do. That's the way that the cookie comes. I mean, the game

development industry, it's cutthroat. Yeah, you know it. You've been on the inside. You know better than most of us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, the more I think about it, the more I enjoy the game. And I think what it comes back to is what disappoints me the most is the Nadine situation and the fact that it's all the gameplay mechanics from four just again and again and again. Yeah. And what I'm thinking about the annualization stuff, like you talking about uncharted three and

uncharted four and how they're all industry defining. It's like I stand by. I think uncharted three is just more uncharted, which I was totally down for. Sure. But it didn't, it didn't feel redefining the way the two did. And I feel like four just brought to the next gen, but like didn't do anything groundbreaking. It was just more uncharted. And I actually think that uncharted is better suited for a smaller experience, but I feel

like this wasn't the perfect first. shot at it because like I was saying in the review this feels like the middle of an uncharted game I feel like this had a stronger beginning and a stronger end I'd have been like oh man what a tight great experience for an awesome uncharted and I'm like I would want that every year because I do feel like the uncharted games kind of get a little long in the tooth where when you start getting to your fifth location overstay their welcome of you're just like I got this thing oh man looks like we're going across the world to this other place like if once a year I could get six hours that of an even higher quality than Lost Legacy,

I'd be way happier than even getting one uncharted every... I mean, it takes a long time to make... Five years. It took a year to do this, but there's no new mechanics. Exactly. And that's the trade-off you get, right? And they had the character models for the most part. Yeah.

And I think that's one of the interesting thing of like... To the character models to all these different things. Is the fact that what you're talking about, like, what usually like, you know, bookends uncharted to make them special? It's like, all right, we're playing as a kid. We're getting a flashback. We're experiencing this. And I think this game could have benefited from that in a way of some. There was no there was no young Drake moment like we always talk we used talk about on beyond right where you're playing like what the fuck really? But it was just it was out of the blue it caught you off guard. No, I don't like it. No, but yeah, it did. And you're right and I think that with this game when we first saw the trailer I think we expected it to be a different uncharted and we ended up just getting the same uncharted like seeing it in that opening scene of her in the PSX time or when she had the hood on for us she didn't have the hood that was much slower paced and it felt like a different type of game and i was like oh wow is this adventure with chloe and ad deen going to be a bit more last of us where it is a tighter camera

and it is more exploring and figuring out the world's unless walk walk walk climb climb climb climb, shoot, shoot, shoot, drive, drive. You know, it's just like very just this and then this and then this and then this. And I, that's why I think that they lost the opportunity to do something unique, even having the same uncharted Ford base. Yeah, it's so weird to talk about this game. Because we do talk about it in a way that I just feel like we sound like we don't like it. I feel like it.

But I do like it and I do think it's great. And I guess like that's the thing is since there was no for me in this game and even with the stuff we can't talk about, right? I talked about there being three, like, you know, moments in it where I was like, oh, fuck, that's different. That's cool. For me, there was no special moment. Yep. There was no, boom.

Oh, that was fucking, like, it was, oh, this is good the entire time. And when you compare that to what Noddy Dog does in every other one of their games, that's the problem I'm having. Even the left behind, or, yeah, left behind where I was like, whoa, fuck, that is, oh, holy shit. And that's just a story beat that wasn't getting sucked out of plane doing this, doing that. You know what I mean? But, like, then there are for the other ones, there are a cruise ship. and planes and trains and all these things were like wow this is fucking incredible

I think that one story beat for me really had that I had that it had that effect on me at least yeah oh okay like that to me the acting in that scene was so well done the acting was really good there don't get me wrong

it was like I felt like as I was watching it was like this is why Nadi Dog is the best at what they do like everything every the attention of detail put into All the acting. I wish we could talk about this. I know.

Because now it's like, because my thing about it is I thought it was fine. I thought it was predictable, number one. And then I think it was just that, uh, let's step back from it. Yes. In terms of just,

let's, fuck, forget the moment, right? It comes back to like, I felt that throughout it, the narrative, especially in the very beginning when everybody's talking of

Nadine and Chloe's so similar and Chloe's is done so well and Nadine's was done so poorly that I think that like if they would have just doubled down on one of them and made that one awesome and that one like oh me maybe that would have met a bigger deal for me. That's hard this is all very hard to talk about that's talking about it so coming to kind of funny games daily next week probably like Tuesday or Wednesday. Yeah well it's August 17 the game comes out five days. Oh it's yeah everyone else is still not even out for a while right August 22nd. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So well once you play it let us know in the comments below what you think

about it and how you would review this game how you think this game should be reviewed. I think that's the more important conversation there. Thank you guys for joining us. Thank you. For joining you. For joining you. Joey, did you keep up with all of my game development terms that I was stoned in there?

Volumetric fog. A lot of parallaxing. That's what I've heard. Like Hal Jordan, when he went crazy? Mm-hmm. Okay. Until next week, I love you. Bye, guys.

Love you. I love you so much. I want to kiss you so bad. I want to kiss you.