Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - NES Classic and New Game Announcements - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 78

Episode Date: July 29, 2016

NES Classic, the big game announcements left 2016, games we are bad at, and the worst games of this generation so far. (Released to Patreon Supporters 07.22.16) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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slash kind of funny games where you're probably watching this right now. This is going to be a good episode, Greg. Is it? You know how I know that? Why? Because I'm fairly prepared for it. Oh my God.

You're fairly prepared for every episode. Usually. Yeah. But this one I feel good about because we're talking on Nintendo. Oh. Topic 1. Something that I feel like you could even get down on. Oh, even I can get down on?

Yeah, even you. You can get on this, man. The NES classic edition. Before we get into this, I want to read the press release, the Nintendo sent out for this thing. Because I feel like the press release is one of the most important parts of this specific announcement. It's a very different Nintendo. I'm going to read it in full. If you see a Nintendo entertainment system on store shelves this holiday shopping season,

you haven't entered a time machine. Unless everyone around you is wearing acid watch jeans and neon leg warmers, if that's the case, you may have unknowingly walked through a rift in the space-time continuum. The most likely scenario is you're setting eyes on the Nintendo Entertainment System, NES Classic Edition. Launching in stores on November 11th at a suggested retail price of $60. That's right, the NES is back. But this isn't the same NES that you fondly remember. This new nostalgia field system is near identical.

It's a mini-reveika of Nintendo's original home console and plugs directly. into your high definition TV using an included HTML cable the console comes complete with 30 NES games built in including beloved classics like Super Mario Bros. Legend Zelda Metroid Donkey Kong Pac-Man and Kirby's Adventure the system comes packaged with an HTML cable an AC adapter and one NES classic controller which is patterned after the iconic design of the original NES controller there's a little something for everybody a nice mix of timeless classics cult favorites and maybe even some

games that you never got around to playing Each is sure to bring back memories and produce plenty of new ones. You can even enjoy playing several of those games with two players by attaching a second NES classic controller, which will be sold separately at a suggested retail price of $10. A classic controller or classic controller pro can also be used. Each sold separately. When connected to a Wii remote controller, the NES Classic Control can also be used to play virtual console NES games on a Wii or WiiU system. Playing these retro games using a retro controller makes the experience that much more authentic.

And if you ever need to step away from the NES Classic Edition in the middle of a tough level, or take a break to call one of Nintendo's helpful game counselors. There's a little asterisk there. Don't worry about losing any hard-earned progress. Each game is multiple suspend points, so you can start where you left off at a later time. No passwords needed. What's old is new again with the Nintendo Entainment System,

MES Classic Edition, relive past glories, finish off that boss you never beat, save the galaxy, and rescue the princess. Then there's the asterisk back. Please only call if you have indeed entered a time machine. The game council program no longer exists in 2016. Now the reason I read that is it, I mean, It's just a press release.

Most press releases sound like that. Nintendos don't always sound like that, though. Is this funny? Not particularly. But at least there's some jokes in there. All right, cool. There was character to it. Some of it makes you, whatever.

But no matter what you do, a press release is going to do that. Sure. I think it's great. I think it's an exciting announcement. I think that there's problems with it, but I think that this is a cool way to expose people to some of these classic games, as I said before, and I stand by, and many of these games are better than anything that's coming out today. And

in terms of pure gameplay, you're not going to get much better than Super Mario 3. You're not going to get much better than Mega Man 2. You're not going to get much better than the Legend of Zelda in terms of gameplay. And so I think that this is a cool little ode to that. The NES is my favorite console of all time. I mean, I'm a, as I've said many

times, I mean, I'm a reformed Nintendo fan, but I don't know many people that know or ate up Nintendo like I did in the NES SNE-N-S-N-64 GameCube era. So it's like those are, that is like part of my bloodstream. So NES is by far my favorite console has a fucking fantastic catalog of games. When I was really cool, what I thought was really cool about this

was when I first saw this on Twitter and I were like, I had 30 games, I'm like, what kind of bullshit has to be on this for Nintendo to... Urban Champion. Yeah, for Nintendo to get like deep into their published games because I mean there are probably 10 really fucking awesome published Nintendo games and then probably another five or seven

that are like fine and then there's like a bunch of like shit that I would never want to play you know um so I was like what are we going to see on here like yoshi's cookie and shit like that and then um alone behold a very on Nintendo move for them is that they're working with third parties I mean they worked with Konami they worked with square they worked with Capcom I mean they worked with a lot of guys here to get some of their games on there and what do you look at that catalog of games I would have I there's some games that are on there that I'm like why is this game on there like balloon fight but like um I get that but it's it's like one of those things I mean there are even Nintendo games that are missing that like could be on there over some of the games that are on

So there's certain weirdness there. But when I look at that catalog of games, I'm like, this is a fantastic collection of games. And overall, and I'm excited to play it. And as I said on, I think Colin and Greg, I've been kind of plotting a let's play series called Colin Play is the classics, which I think will roll out sometime this fall.

And I want to do a let's play for every one of these games. And I think that I'm going to, even though I've done a let's play for a few of them already. Ninja Guyon's on there, so they're working with Tecmo. I mean, there's a lot of cool shit on there. And so I'm excited for me and I'm excited for Nintendo fans like me, but I'm old school Nintendo fans like me,

but I'm also actually way more excited for people that have never played these games. That said, it would be cool if there was some flash memory on it. It would be cool if there was some sort of Wi-Fi connection or something that you could do to get these, you know, to get other virtual console games or there's some sort of port where they could be like,

you know, wave two, wave three, wave four of these games, and you just plug it right in and play them. That said, I don't think it's that big of a deal. Yeah, I don't either. 60 bucks for 30 games, $2 a game. I mean, what's crazy about that is so these games, I want to say they're all available

on virtual console, whether it's the Wii or Wii U virtual console. And when you add up the price of that, it's something like $150 if you were to buy them all. If you were to buy the original cartridges, obviously it's a lot more, especially nowadays, like trying to find them. Some of them are pretty rare.

So when you add that up, $60 is a deal for these, especially if you haven't played them before. And especially with Nintendo, so many people have played these before. So it's like this is probably their fifth, six time buying these games. I think this is a really nice way to do it. It's like last year we talked about rare replay a lot

and how awesome that was as a collection. Very cool. And they did such a good job of kind of presenting the games in game as being these like, you know, nice pieces of art. I think this is the more physical version of that where it's just like, you know, the NES is the most iconic system of all time,

the most iconic controller for sure. And I think this is a really cool way to kind of get in touch with that, the urban outfitters kind of generation of people where it's just like, even if you're not a gamer, you still think the NES is cool. You know, it's like, I feel like back in a 2000. who-ish when they did the GBA series

for any, I don't, what was that, the 20th anniversary or something like that? Yeah, with the E-reader card. Yeah, that was, yeah, it must have been the 20th. No, 85, 95, 2005, it must have been maybe even the 15th anniversary. I mean, I don't know exactly why they, like, did that. 85 was Western release for NES and GBA obviously was summer 2001.

So I don't know what it was. It was some celebration of the, of the NES. on GBA they released all of that like a bunch of these games a couple others like urban championship was like why the hell would you do that but uh those are 20 dollar games which was almost full price for a GBA game back then which is which was worth it for some of them and not worth it for others you know like I think it would have been worth it for a legend of Zelda or yeah no I got I remember I bought Zelda and that was a where I beat Zelda for the first time and they were also cranking those games out on didn't a lot of those games appear on game boy color

no a couple what am I yeah I'm seeing I'm seeing the lot yeah I'm seeing the box yeah I'm seeing the box art in my mind. The box art was so it was GBA that they did the when it was like the NES box art. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Right, right. Famicom or yeah, you're right. And um, that was super exciting. But again, like when you think of the the price of that and then throughout the years, there was virtual console and then the Wii virtual console. So it's like you're buying the same games for $5, $4, whatever it is over and over. Then you look at this collection. This is very on Nintendo because of the third party stuff. When you looked at their virtual console lineups in the past, they all are congruent with that GBA release where it's like, all right,

cool. It is the ones you expect plus a couple shitty Nintendo games because that's just what they got. But this, so going down the list we got Balloon Fight, Bubble Bobble, Castlevania 1, Castlevania 2. Which is awesome. Donkey Kong. Donkey Kong, Jr. Too much Donkey Kong, man. Way too much Donkey Kong on there.

Two? Yeah, it's too much. They're very different games. And Pac-Man on there too. Double Dragon 2, Dr. Mario, Excite Bike, Final Fantasy. That's the weirdest one. Final Fantasy? Yeah, that's the weirdest one for sure. That's the only role-playing game. And the depth of that game is like way more than any other games.

I'll be interested to see how people take to that. The original Final Fantasy I think is fantastic. Class-based hardcore as hell. I'll be interested to see how people take to that particular one. It made me wish that they worked with Square already on this. Why didn't they get Dragon Warrior? Yeah, that's interesting. That was a weird one.

So then the other thing about Final Fantasy that's interesting is it's just the first one. And there's better versions of that game out too. Yeah, I mean, well, it being the first one's not Not surprising because two and three were Famicom games But we didn't get them until later We never got them in the States The bigger surprise to me was, yeah, like what you said The PSP version of Final Fantasy and Final Fantasy

Too, way better But again, exactly, that's not what they're dealing with here Gallagher, Ghost and Goblins, Gradius Ghost and Goblins is a weird one to be on there Ice Climber Kid Icarus Nice Kirby's Adventure, Mario Bros

Yeah, I love the original Mario Bros Mega Man 2 Alright, so this is a weird one too So Mega Man 2, obviously, the iconic Nintendo game. I'm a little surprised Mega Man 3 is not on there, too. Or Mega Man 1. So, like, 1 and 2, or 2 and 3. But anyway. Metroid.

Ninja Gaden. Which is awesome, again. Fucking awesome game. The original Ninja Guardian is fucking classic. There's just some classic fucking games on here, man. But again, why not all three of them? Pac-Man, Punch-out, Star Tropic. Super C. Which is the...

Yeah, that's a weird one. No contra? Yeah. I don't understand why Super C's on there. The Super She's fine, but like the... It's not Concha. Yeah, I don't know why Contra wouldn't be on there. And Star Tropic being in here is fucking cool too, by the way.

That's a really underplayed under like, appreciate it. A lot of people don't know what that game is. Wasn't that one? It's very Zelda-like. That one came out on the GBA thing. I'm pretty sure. They probably do. Super Mario Bros. 1, Super Mario Bros. 2.

Super Mario Bros. 3. Tech Mobile, Legend of Zelda and Zelda 2. It's a great lineup, dude. Now, that's the thing. When you look at this, this kind of is the all-star lineup of a ES games. And yeah, there is a couple things missing here and there. But it's like, that's, this is way better than I would have ever imagined, you telling me, there's going to be 30 games

on a Nintendo console that you just get and you get these. Yeah, Pac-Man being on there. It's like, them calling that out of wherever, I don't remember that port being exceptionally good, but. Well, I think a big thing, too, that you need to remember Smash Bros. So, like, Smash Bros. Bros. has made a whole bunch of things relevant in a way that they weren't before. So that's why Balloon Fight, to me is obvious. Like, Balloon Fight's gotten so much love over the years that There is a nostalgia nostalgic factor for people that didn't even grow up playing it

just because of Smash Bros. Yeah, I respect that. There's a few games that I would have loved to be on there. A lot of people were saying like, where's Kung Fu, the Iron game? Yeah, that's...

Yeah, we were talking about it. I guess they didn't, you know, I don't even know who the fuck owns that IP anymore. Kung Fu would have been nice on there. I think Castlevania 3 not being on there. I know that they have Castlevania 1 and 2. I was authentically,

the biggest surprise on that list really like is Castlevania 2. Now, I love that game. Simon's Quest is fucking awesome. And Simon's Quest is really a precursor to the open world role-playing games we played today, and certainly a precursor to the open-world Metroidvania-style games

before we ever had that name for it. But I was surprised to see it on there, because that game's very divisive. A lot of people don't like that game. So I'll be interested to see it. That's like so, if you don't mind me taking your phone. Castlevania 2 and Final Fantasy, Ghost and Goblins,

and I would even say like the original Ninja Guide and the games I'm actually most interested to see what people think about. Because Ninja Guyon is hard to. is fucking balls. So I'll be interested to see as Ghost and Goblins. And Ghost and Goblins is almost impossible. Yeah.

Like, I mean, it's beatable, but that game, the funny thing about the games have to beat it twice. But I think that's why it's on this list. It's because when people think about old Nintendo games,

I think Ghost and Goblins is one of those ones. Like, to me, I'm surprised Paperboy is not here. Because that's another game that's just like, that's a Nintendo game, even though it's not Nintendo. Sure,

but it's like for an outsider like me, like I know a balloon fight after years of people talking about balloon fight. And yeah, paperway would make a lot of sense. Yeah, So I don't, I don't, I'm thinking in my mind, like, of my NES catalog and like what's missing on there. And I think that Castlevania 3, I think, like, you wouldn't make a case for any of those Mega Man games too.

A lot of the Capcom games like duct tails and stuff are licensed. So you can't understand why those games aren't on there. Chip and Dale and stuff like that. Ninja turtles. Yeah, Ninja Turtles, obviously. Or, I mean, I would have loved to see the original like the ultra ninja turtles on there. But TMNT2, which is the arcade game. Yeah.

Would have been cool. But so I, but again, a lot of license issues there. I think the biggest missing one out of all this is duck hunt. And I think that the reason is you can't, you can't do it without the light gun. But, I mean, that is obviously the most iconic NES game besides Mario. Yeah, so we're going to be, it's going to be a let's call Moriarty, let's play Stravagan's off this fucking machine. I'm super excited about exposing people to some of these games because, you know, now, like, I would have loved to see life force on there. I mean, there's, there's games that are, if you want to be nitpicky and really get into it.

I think the original Metal Gear would have been really cool to put on here. But again, the NES port of Metal Gear is not really well. Remember it's the MSX port that people really always. the MSX original of Metal Gear. So, but then again, we were talking about Pac-Man. The Pac-Man port, I don't remember being very good. And people don't play Pac-Man. They play Miss Pac-Man.

So, like, I don't, so there's, you know, I'll be interested to see how that works out. But I, you know, shout out to get the Star Tropic's on there. Shout out to getting, you know, to avoiding garbage, like, or not garbage, but, like, I really thought, like, you're going to get, like, a Nintendo published game, like, Yoshi's cookie and fucking whatever. So, you know, I'm glad that, you know, they avoided that. It's cool. We got Kirby, too, because Kirby is a later game for the NES.

So we're going to kind of the whole lifespan here. I'm really interested to see what the system actually is, like what hardware it's running, because it uses the same proprietary thing that the Wii U and the weak remotes use. So you can buy the NES controller connected to the Wii modes and use that. This to me says, like, is the NX also going to use that same kind of thing? Is the WMO going to be compatible? I think that this hardware kind of,

you're plugging into whatever the NX is going to be would have that port to it. Or yeah, it still accepts your Wii game pad and your Wii moats. Whatever it is, all that stuff. So I think that's interesting. I think that the reason they chose a lot of these games is to kind of appeal to that urban outfiters crowd that is just retro to be retro. Well, it's appealing to the mall crowd, right? I mean, for how many years has it been that you walk into a mall and you go by that one kiosk that

has these like retrofitted N64s that play 60 games and it's all this random shit? And you're like, this can't be legal, but this is why you're a pop up in the middle of the mall and not a real store. Yeah, exactly. And we've seen that forever with like Atari and with a lot of the random shit But Sega recently in the last couple years Has been officially licensing that stuff

But it's always them working with third party people to do And the games never run well or whatever The fact that this is Nintendo And the fact that they're putting so much care into it I mean the packaging is to me insane I can When I first saw us pop up It felt like an April Fool's joke

You know Because it looked too good to be true It looked too good to be true Where it's just like man There's a lot of care being put into this And the pricing is perfect. $60, they could have charged way more for this. I'm shocked it's not 100. And the NES controller being $10, that's not even in line with their like controller, but like Nunchok,

Nunchucks for $20. Yeah, that's cool. I like it. I think that they're just making it affordable, maybe making smaller rips. They have to pay out these third parties too. So, might not be a money play. It might be a volume play. And at that point, I think the only thing you can complain about, as I said, is like it would have been cool to have some sort of flash card, like flash drive, you know, in their, uh, to read a car, SD card, whatever you want to do. like that they could have sold to put more games on here. But I can't complain. Even if they did this again next year with 30 more games and sold the hardware again,

I'd be like, fine. My question is, are you going to do super NES? So the thing that I think is really cool is, oh, it didn't copy over. There's an official, like, the NES classics logo that they made. Oh, really?

Nintendo doesn't really make logos for things unless they're, there's a line of them. But there's an actual, it looks like it's a line. Like the classics line is going to be a thing. That's really exciting because, yeah, like there could definitely be a wave two of this. There could be whatever.

The thing with the SD cards or whatever, I think that gets too complicated. This is meant to just be, it's the simple plug-and-play thing. And I think coming off for Pokemon Go, Nintendo has a really nice kind of buzz about them that I think this is going to be awesome to see the people that aren't necessarily gamers.

How many of them are going to be interested in getting this thing? Because I'm hearing a whole bunch of buzz about this and just like looking on the internet and stuff. It's sold out and like everywhere for pre-orders and shit. Oh, really? I didn't even get my pre-order in. That sucks. So. I'll have to look into that.

That's the word. I mean, I have most of these games. Yeah, that's the little thing. And that's what I think it applies. I mean, it's the form factor. It's the, you know, looking at this retro device that you remember so fondly. But yeah, so you could go play these games on any one of these virtual concerts.

The thing is that when I first saw this before I started reading about, the first thing I came in mind, I was like, wow, they're manufacturing a new Nintendo and like, are they going to make, like, I thought they were going to like, it was like cartridges and everything. Like, I was like, I was like, that's like for a second. I was like, that's fucking awesome. But then it became this small thing,

which makes way more sense than I'm making a new NES or whatever, because if they're going to do that, why it wouldn't be the top loader? And that's why I think for Wave 2, if they made another console, the form factor for the Wave 2 should be the top loader, and it should be another set of 30 games, all third party, which would be cool. Then we could really explore the nitty-gritty of fucking some of the games that people really enjoyed. That might be a little more under the radar or whatever. But I think this is going to be huge.

If they do another one, I think they're going to go Game Boy. Yeah, I was going to say Game Boy would be next time. I think they would jump to just like some, a little, like, I don't even know what the form factor would be, much smaller, maybe more. Game Boy Pocket-esque and then have just a whole bunch of Game Boy games on it. The Game Boy Library is a little different though. It doesn't necessarily have games like this because it's like I can't see them putting the Pokemon's on it, for example.

Yeah, well, the library is spread out as hell too, but the SNES would be awesome. They probably will do that. That's when you really have a problem with what games you put on there because I actually think that their first party output is way more limited on SNES and overshadowed by third-party greatest. I mean, for every link to the pastor, Super Mario. world, whatever you have on there, you have fucking street fire, you have a million fucking games

that are coming from other, from third parties as they really ramped at, like, and even when you think about their first party output on NES, a lot of that was very front-loaded, they were publishing all the games to begin with, but when you get to like 1989, 1988, 1988, 1990, you really start seeing a lot of great third-party games that overshadow their output, you know, Mario 3 comes, sneaks

out in there, but so does Mega Man 2 and so does you know, a bunch of other shit, so I think the S&ES would be way more interesting. I'd love to be behind closed doors with these guys figuring out what games they were going to put on there and how they were going to try to license them because you can never really get a fight. I mean, you can make them NSNS just with role playing games.

You know, like that one should be so cool. I was talking to Greg about this. I'm really excited that this came out of nowhere and none of us saw it coming and it didn't leak at all and it was just one day just announced and it was official because that says a lot for DNX where it's like all these things that are leaked or whatever.

There might be nothing leaked from it like hardware-wise. The fact that this is a piece of hardware that exists that we knew nothing about until it's happening is really excited in me because it shows that Nintendo is capable of keeping secrets in a day and age when secrets are really hard to keep. Especially when it comes to hardware and stuff like that. Like you look at Apple with the iPhones and stuff. People know exactly what it's going to be a year before it happens. You know, and also all the PlayStation Neo and the Xbox, Scorpio and all that stuff.

So speaking to those, topic two, I want to look at the rest of the year and kind of look at all the conferences we have coming up and see where. game announcements are going to be made and kind of predict what we think's going to happen at some of the big show so we had e3 already this year we're gearing up now for all the little there's a lot of little things here and they're like the paxes and the game stop expos and whatever but games aren't usually announced there at least not big ones um gamescom coming up we're going to the dates here we got gamescom august 17th then we got to kiosk september 15th then paris games week october 27th Nothing in November, and then we assume PSX in December. New York Comic-Con is in there, too, right?

Oh, yeah, New York Comic-Con. But again, that's one of them. We have Comic-Con this week. I know, I know. There'll be some kind of game games. Little things here and there. Trying to save you. Yeah.

That's early October, I think, for New York Comic-Con. But I think these are the ones that, like, you know, the big guys have typically had press conferences. Now, it's already been said that no Sony conference, no Microsoft conference for Gamescom. But Xbox will be doing the Xbox fan fest. over in gamescom we don't really know what that is it sounds like kind of like a mini PSX but yeah I'm sure it'll just become play all these Xbox games yeah get cool off in here play these Xbox games they haven't said if there's going to be an actual like conference though

even at their own thing you know what you mean that there won't be right you can't I mean they made a stink about not doing a conference at gamescom so this would I would think this would just be their way to get fans controllers now and play but I mean did they say that they weren't doing one at all like that's the same thing as like EA saying they're not going to do like in e3 three press conference, but they did the EA play press conference. Sure. So, I don't know. I don't think either we're doing conference. So yeah, so then when do you

think we'll get something from, I'm assuming TGS will get some Sony. Sony does sometimes two conferences at TGS, like a pre-TGS conference or some sort of thing, and then they do want to add TG. Yeah, Sony will definitely do one at TGS. I just don't think anything of consequence for the Western market will

come out there. But you'll get some teasas. I mean, if you're into Japanese role-playing games, if you're into Yakuza. Yakuuser or Gundam or whatever, you know, and some very specific third-party partnerships with Bandai Namco or with Idea Factory or with, you know, whoever is putting out a lot of these games that sometimes don't, or oftentimes don't come to Western markets.

I think you'll see some of that. But I like the TGS press conferences because they're interesting, but like I, because I'm a PlayStation fan, but I don't expect anything out of them. And obviously Microsoft is kind of just all but given up in Japan. So I wouldn't expect anything out of them either. We'll see. With Nino Kuni, do you think that's more of a PSX thing again?

No, I think that they have to now make that game relevant to the Japanese audience. So maybe you see that there, but we already know Nino Kuni to exist. So I don't, if you've seen TGS press conferences before, a lot of it is just there's sizzle reels, pricing, you know, things of this nature. So I don't expect that there's going to be like a crazy amount of relevant information coming out there. But their shit does come out there every once in a while for sure. I mean, we know that from working at IGM. We used to cover that conference. I think Nino Kunu would be in a sizzle reel at TGS for sure.

but I think you'll get more information on it at PSX at the end of the year. Just because that is a game that's sold better here. And I understand they need to make it relevant, but that's also not how you do stuff, it seems, in the Japanese market in terms of making things relevant. Yeah, I'm assuming we'll see some more stuff on Fawn Fancy 12 and those type of things. So remember at TGS, that's where they announced Fonfancy 10 back for the PS3. So then Paris Games Week, October 27th.

Nothing's been officially said about that. things are going to happen. I don't think, I don't think Sony will do it. My theory with Sony, and we talked about this on PSI-L-U-you, is that, like, I think that they have to whittle down

their press conferences to give them more, more bang. I think PSX's press conference last year was fun, but overwhelming. No first-party pop at all, which I think was a huge mistake on their part.

So I would focus on E-3. You can't really give up TGS. But I think E-3 and PSX should be the big tepoles. They're actually, like, six months apart from each other, so that's perfect. and so I mean if they're going to be a Paris Games We're not going to be a Gamescom which opens Paris Games Week

That's what they did last year They weren't at Gamescom They did Paris Games Week And they were able to get away from Microsoft Who did Gamescom last year So I mean I wouldn't be surprised if Sony was there But I also would not be surprised if they weren't I think it's like a 50-50 kind of thing If they're going to be there out of some

And this is I don't think will happen But if they were I would imagine you have David Cage again And maybe show a new character From Detroit Become Human And like here's another one of our playable characters But even that's going to go over better at PSX So I don't understand why you wouldn't wait there What about Microsoft?

Do you think they have a chance? No, I think these guys are just realizing that they don't need to have this many conferences. And when you don't manage your portfolio properly, you have, you spread out, you're announcing things you're not ready to announce. You're not showing anything. There are no release dates, whatever. I think these guys just kind of need to go away for a little while. And, you know, we had a lot of, E3 was fantastic, I thought, for both first parties. And so, like, why, just like, let's focus on those games.

You gave us plenty to think about. Why do we need more announcements? Like, how many, how much time does anyone I play all these games anyway? You know, they announced like, Sony especially had a, really what I think was just a fucking solvo of amazing announcements and showed games that we even knew about it, whatever, and that's plenty, like we don't need anymore.

Wait till PSX and then show us more, you know? Announce something and give a time. And I love the fact that E3 and PSX are almost like just totally couldn't be further apart on the calendar. They are like almost exactly six months apart. And so I think that that's fantastic for giving everything room to breathe and kind of avoiding these other shows. Yeah.

And then TGS in the middle for really more the endemic like, native Japanese market. I think works out fine for them. As far as Microsoft's concerned, I don't know what their plans are, but they have so many games in play right now. I just don't know how many more you need to announce. Yeah, so you think the play for them then is to not have any more announcements

for the rest of the year and just kind of just chill on what they have and do things like the fan fest and maybe bring one over here or two and like just kind of get people playing those games. I would say so. I love that idea. It works for that. And then I mean, don't forget,

I think you have the game awards at the end of the year. That's where you can put out more things, right? I think when you compare them to Sony, you have a difference. there's a different strata and different audiences. E3 obviously is the mainstream. You see Microsoft and Sony go for the same audience there. TGS is

Sony getting to speak strictly to its Japanese fan base which is large and does want things that we don't want. And then PSX gets to be, hey, here are these cool indies and here are these Vita games and here's us talking about changing your PlayStation name and here's all this inside baseball PlayStation bullshit that only the people who watch our shows care about.

That not, you know, people who are at USA today who's in the audience for the E3 press conferences and going to give a shit about the Japanese audience is going to give a shit about. You have these three things to work with. Whereas with Microsoft having forever ago given up on trying to be a big deal in Japan, TGS doesn't matter to them. Gamescom,

they go there and we speak just directly to the fans. Here's all the games that, you know, Dead Rising 4 was play while on the floor, and here's the new Forza, and here's the, what's the pirate game I can never remember the name of? Sea of Thieves. These are all over here at E3 and now you get to get your hands on them over here.

There's new content. There'll be one or two, new announcements. There'll be titles you imagine from developers over there. But then, Towards the back half of that, right? Like, where does Microsoft stand and what do they talk to? And I think that's where like the caliber of announcements you get at a PSX, which are like, you know, your A, B, games or whatever,

things that need to be sold, you know, until Dawn had a great showing there. You know, let's do a live play and everybody got stoked for it and started talking about it. That kind of thing can happen with a trailer for them. That's where you can get, take a crackdown trailer and put it out around the Game Awards or new footage or something like that and really kill because that's the same kind of audience. Yeah, but I didn't even think about the game awards. makes a lot of sense.

So getting off the conferences in terms of games, do you think that there's any big game announcements coming out the rest of the year? I think the one is Red Dead. Yeah, Red Dead's absolutely going to get announced. I think there's some sort of obsession, and I've heard anecdotally that it really was supposed to be at Sony's conference. I don't know if that's true or not at E3, but I've heard it from one person in particular that I trust a lot,

but I don't know the provenance of what that person heard or whatever, so I can't speak to that. But I do think that people is weird obsession with this game being announced that one of these conferences is antithetical to what what Rockstar certainly does. They'll own this. This will be their own event. Look at how they released and now it's GTA 5.

I still think it's entirely possible this game comes out this year. When's your cutoff? When do you think that's no longer a possible? That sounds crazy. I think with something like Rockstar because I think they have, so take two has the time and the inclination to make a lot of take a lot of risks, right?

Like they make, they made an exorbitant amount of money on Grand The Auto 5. They make money on a lot of their games. the 2K publishing R makes its money or whatever. So I think that like Red Dead is one of those games that they could literally announce in the same month they release it. And I'm not saying that that's necessarily going to happen, but I think it's like one of the few games that they could absolutely positively get away

with doing something like that. And I do not think it would affect sales at all. Like I think that it's a very almost like we talked about many times with Half Life 3. Like if Valve was just like here's Half Life 3, it's done and it's out. Like that doesn't affect sales at all. In fact, that's the story and everyone goes and buys the game and it becomes like a huge interest piece of interest.

And so while I don't know, I don't have any, I mean, Rockstar is very secretive and I don't have any information about what they're doing with Red Dead, but Red Dead's clearly real. There have been leaks. They've been working on it for a long time and from all accounts. And I would not be surprised if in September or October, they're like the game's real. Here it is and it's out in November. And what do they lose by doing that? Does there need to be a preview cycle? I just feel like they learned from Grand Theft of 5 that they announced that game too early. It didn't matter that they announced it early. It gave people room to, including me, to speculate negatively about the game. I remember seeing it like a year before it came out and I was like this game's not very pretty. You know and if they were just like and I don't think it was an exceptionally pretty game, but if it's certainly a scale, it's only a style, but I wasn't impressed by the visuals of the game. And you know, so with Red Dead it's like, well, why even expose it to anything? People are fucking excited about this game. And clearly that like with Red Dead Redemptions, um, backwards compatibility thing on Xbox one now, they're clearly leading up to the announcement of the game. Now like, I just would love the idea of them just saying like, and September even being like the game's real and it's out next month.

What do they lose by that? The only thing they risked by doing this is they eventually have to submit it to ratings boards and they have to get a QAid and that and then certify it and that risks getting trophies and achievements leaked and all that kind of stuff. So they have to play the game very

carefully in that respect. How early do you need to do that? Because I'm not too informed on like the back process of all that stuff. What does that look like? How long do you need to send that in? For rating ratings boards? For the trophy stuff? For the ratings for all that. So for rating like ratings sports stuff, I think you can do that like well

ahead of time and so you can see and I think you can get it pretty close to the thing to basically you pay a certain amount of money. You provide as far as I understand it from wrong. You provide like a sizzle reel of sorts of like your game and parts that you think are notable for like drug use or for violence, whatever and then the ESRB basically

trust you because I think they can find you majorly on the back end about like that you're showing them everything and then they look at that and they look at the information you provide and they give it a rating or whatever and there's like a money exchange there to keep the ESRB going. On certification side like you know they're queuing these games internally and then you know typically and then they send them in for certification and I think the expectation is that they're going to fail. So like it's a we talk to developers and it's actually like a point of pride when they

passed certification the first time. Now I'm not saying games don't. I've heard of a game recently I've talked to a friend of mine that's coming to Vita that he has certification the first time and he was happy about that. So I think that happens maybe no more than a couple of months ahead of when the plan release is happening. Then they send bug reports and all that kind of stuff back and bring them back and then it's like a ping pong ball back and forth until that's a pretty simplistic way. at it, but, you know, that's the way I understand how it works. No, you get the idea. And so, um,

so the thing with Red Dead and with Rockstar is that they could probably go to the first parties and be like, under no fucking circumstances, you know, do, do you guys publish the shit? Because games are leaked constantly because of trophies. Now, not all of them are consequential. I mean, the Vita games from 2K were leaked because of trophies. Dead Rising was leaked coming to PSW because of trophies. Like, these things just go up like, and it forces the hand. And so they can basically be like, we're rock star.

don't publish this shit, you know, until... And because Sony seems to be taking more care with that even with their first party games. Uncharted was a great example where Uncharted clearly passed certification a long time ago, and the trophies did not pop immediately. So they are starting to be more careful that people are, like, have back doors basically into the PSN, and they're pinging the servers constantly looking for new games,

which is how Xophase and PSN profiles and stuff gets their information. So they can play that game, too, so they can play it real close to the vest. And I respect what they're doing. I really do believe in my heart that this game is like, obviously real. Red Dead 3 is real. That is probably almost done or maybe even close to being completely done

and that it's imminent. But who the fuck knows? I want to believe. That it's imminent. No problem. I think at this point I'm thinking spring. Right? Or, yeah, because I'm trying to remember right. I remember picking up Red Dead when we went down for Judges Week, I think, back in the day.

So May. And just that, I would think you have to start talking about it. And I don't know if they're brave enough to do the... I think they've missed their window right now to do the okay guys it is real and it is coming out this year unless it's going to be like a mid-December release which usually you don't see people doing but now you start to see people testing the waters just gravity rush is happening and just cause before uh far cry used to inhabit that spot uh this year south park fracture fracture fracture but hold there's people playing around in December but generally you don't do that but again when you're rock star you don't have to worry about missing the Black Friday sales that's not what your audience wants

yeah and I think that they're Rockstar's bullish but and Take 2 is bullish but above that they have nothing to lose they they will dominate regardless to when they like that's the thing is like they would that game will fucking dominate and if anyone has anything to fear it's actually call of duty in battlefield in those other games not that they're going to sell

demonstrably worse necessarily but it is going to take mindshare away from games that always dominate that area because Red Dead is one of those games where it's like if it comes out in the middle of November, it's going to sell millions and millions and millions of copies. It doesn't matter, you know, and it's going to take all people's attentions away. And imagine a bold kind of plan from Rockstar

where they announced the game literally four or five weeks before it comes out. And they're like, we're just going to deluge you now with information. You're going to be fucking so excited about it. And by the way, aren't you so thankful that we didn't fucking stretch this along for 18 months like everyone else? Isn't that cool? You know, like, you had no idea a month ago this game exists.

And a month from now, you're going to be playing it. And here's all of the information you need. And we're not going to spoil anything for you some video, some mechanics information. we're going to leak things out every day for 20 days and then you're going to have the game in your hand. What's wrong with that? That doesn't make everyone excited.

That's so much fucking better than the way games are handled right now. But the thing is, is that they have the power to do that. And a lot of people don't have the power. They have to tease these games out. But I tell you, man, people have to look at Bethes' experience with Fallout and note that it worked. And they can probably cut it even closer.

But there are, again, only a certain amount of games that could possibly do that. And I do think that Red Dead and Grand The Auto are certainly those kinds the games. And so I'd love to see them do something bold and unusual like that. And I think that it will continue to prove that you don't have to tease. You don't have to have bowl shots and preview the game five times and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Who gives a fuck? You know, like that? That's such an old way of doing it. Um, so I don't know. I still have hope. I still really do believe that this game's coming out this year. But I have no reason to believe that other than

that. Like, I just feel like that's the case. It's not like I have heard anything from anyone's out. Yeah, man, that'd be crazy. I really hope that happens. The last thing is the NX. me and Greg talked a little bit about this last week. But X is going to give it to you? X is going to give it to you. That is in fact truth. But there's going to be a Nintendo event this year. They've at least said that that X will be revealed later this year.

I assume that means they're going to hold their own event somewhere. They're not going to do it at one of these events. When do you see that happening? September. Really? Yes. I say late November, early December. When the Wii U was announced, it was announced at E3, and then it wasn't until November

that they kind of did the real big blowout thing. They did it over in New York. I remember I had to go there, and that's when they talked about the Wii U TV or whatever, which was supposed to be a big thing for the Wii. That didn't work out. And when they announced Bainetta, too. So that was kind of like their one solid hit that they got hit, and then everyone's like, all right, well, whatever.

So yeah, I kind of see them doing that. I think it actually will, it'll be New York, I think. I think it'll be November feels right, but it might be a little too late. I don't know. September sounds early to me. What makes you think that? Sure, everyone starts playing games for the fall. I think that you have to, so we're talking about who has the power and who doesn't, right? Nintendo, anyone who's announcing hardware has power, inherent power, because people are interested in it.

But I don't, I think Nintendo's lost so much goodwill that, you know, in the hardware front that I just don't know that they want to mix it up in November with people's mindshare being just spread across a bunch of different games. And so I think September safe, it's, it's open. it gives them time if the spring announcement of say, let's say March as NX comes out, this gives you six months lead in, which I think is great for hardware, and gives them time to announce and explain and get people hands on it, announce future events where people can, you know, press

and gamers alike can maybe go try it out or whatever. I just think that if it's supposed to come out on the Q1, Q2 cost, which is what it sounds like. So, so exactly, so late Q1, I think November's too late. Like I, because they're risky. So with hardware, you risk,

you do risk leaks, huge leaks, from Foxcon and all these guys. It's not beyond, it's not beyond a reason that NX has already been manufactured. So, the longer you wait, the more you risk losing the control. And so I think that, like, they have to do it soon.

It might even be in August. Like, I, I don't, I just think November's too soon. At that point, like, there's just going to leak and there are going to be things, fucking pictures of this thing coming out. See, I like November because I think that you get on the other side of what you're talking about.

Yeah, people will be playing games, but people want to hear about something new. Beforehand in September, I feel like you do have it of like, that's great. And I'm also excited about this game, that game, this game, that game. You get on the other side of Black Friday, and it is that cool. I have the games I want for the most part, albeit, you know, no South Park. And then it'll, but it'll be the fact that, holy shit, they're talking about new hardware. They're doing something new. I think this is why the game awards do get such a big pop and do get so many trailers.

Because people are ready to be excited again because we've gotten through. Everything we knew is now out. We have all of our dreams. come true and we either love them or hate them, but we have them and that's the end of that. We need to look ahead to next year about what to be excited about. I think in addition of that, it gets beyond the Xbox S

and potentially the PlayStation Neo, because I think obviously those are going to kind of take away a lot of the market share in terms of the hardware talk and stuff. Nintendo's before, it's going to be nothing but comparisons and that's probably not going to favor Nintendo. So if you do a little bit later, at least you're like

that stuff's old news. No one's going to be like really top. They're still going to compare, but it's a little bit Yeah, I don't think, in my opinion, I don't think you win that, Nintendo wins that battle either way. Well, they don't. I mean, no matter what. So, I think it makes more sense to go before. So my thing with the before that I do like is, and this is just me being a Nintendo fanboy, but the August-September timeline makes sense because back in the day when they used to do Space World.

So if they were to come out with the motherfucking space world, that would be the coolest thing ever. And again, that, that Nintendo is the one that I want to speak to me. And that's the one that does things like the NES classic and puts it out with this lineup of games. I don't know. We might be gearing in for a completely new Nintendo that that harkens back to the old Nintendo. But either way, we'll see this year. We'll see. And I do want to say this. My one prediction on NX is that you are going to be underwhelmed. I know. I'm not saying you. I mean, like, everyone.

Like, I just don't, this thing has been percolating for so long that, like, I don't know what they were thinking. Like, letting this go on and this long. Like, people's minds are out of control. Like, nothing they possibly announce. this is again why you announce games and then release them quickly. Nothing that you can possibly show at this point is going to be like is going to exceed anyone's expectations. You're only going to let people down.

And that's why I was just like, you shouldn't even acknowledge it was real until you were ready to say something about it. You know, I just, that's the one major problem with this. Like that was what was so fucking cool about PS4's reveal, I think, was we really, we saw Orbis in, you know, like early in 2013 maybe or something or late 2012. like we started with the leaked images

yeah like the controller and that's when I like and a few other journalists like really started like confirming things with our sources about what this console was but there was no time to even develop what the PS4 was until they showed it and or announced it they didn't actually show until months after they announced it but that worked to their advantage in a major

way I think that the less you let everyone's imaginations run wild and people's imaginations with Nintendo have been running wild every little fucking uh trademark every little patent everything like everyone has all these expectations that I just do not think it's going to meet the expectations of what we have for it. In fact, I think it's going to be something a little different

than what we all think it's going to overwhelm. And I hope that's going to be a hat. I hope that's going to be a hat. That's great. Exactly what it is. I hope I'm wrong. It's probably not going to be very powerful and it's probably not going to be this amazing dynamic, multi-tiered system that we hope it's going to be. But I hope I'm wrong. I hope Nintendo fucking punches everyone in the face. But like, where's the evidence that they've done that at all in the last

20 years, actually, at this point, with the exception to the Wii, which was just this flash in the pan, you know, a very profitable, popular flash in the pan. but maybe DS was the last one. They've done some shit. I'm looking forward to it. I still believe. Topic three.

Joe Ennis asks, Hey guys, I've always found that while I'm really good at some genres of games, there's some that I just can't do. What games are you bad at? Fighting games. I hate fighting games. I don't enjoy fighting games.

I don't enjoy the way they move, play. I don't enjoy combos. And I tried for a long time. Mortal Kombat, we were all over that as a bunch of kids doing fatalities doing cool stuff Justice League Task Force Why not? Yeah I shouldn't care about this

This should be something I'm good at And even like when you talk about like the acclaim wrestling games Which aren't fighting games per se But they have the combo based moves rather than just Strong grapple weak grapple like you know The A.kia folks were doing It just never ever clicks to the point I just even like when you know

Like I want to play injustice And I want to see that story through Because I already like the comics so much I want to yeah I think I Should I might have reviewed DC versus Mortal Kombat Mortal Kombat versus DC. Just getting in there and how stiff everything feels and how hard it is to get my character over there

the way I want them to go over there because you're doing that thing where you're just doing like the little hops. Like, I fucking, no, just move. Oh, God damn it. What the hell's going on? And it's one of those that I can, and now, I mean, yeah, I don't try. You know what I mean? Like when I play injustice, what I would do is go through and play.

And then when I'd get beat, then I would just put the controller down and let it beat me twice more. Because then when you do it, they just fucking take it. They just take it in the history mode so you can get through them because I just want to see the cutscenes. I don't want to do any of this crap. I don't want anything to do with this. But dialing back to when we did play Mortal Kombat,

and when we were playing, you know, games like that in Mike Boylan's basement on Genesis or whatever, it's like I was playing and I was trying and I was still just not having a good time and not, and nothing clicks. It doesn't click for me. That franchise doesn't work or that genre doesn't work for me in terms of

how it should all come together to make an enjoyable experience. Yeah, I'm not good at them either. I do enjoy them a lot, though. And I like the, I like playing to my capabilities. Sure. And watching Evo. Do you guys watch Evo at all?

I didn't watch it this year, but a guy from Long Island murdered. It was filming. It was insane this year. I mean, it's always insane. But just seeing the spectacle of Evo itself is just like, good Lord. Their set was. You see the set at all? You see any pictures?

My God. It's just like a giant cube of just destruction and awesomeness. And I just enjoy it because it's like, you know, we've seen kind of like the League of Legends and all the mobas and stuff and like the kind of sets and the stravigants they have. But to see it for just fighting it and seeing them, the crowd go crazy when they rolled out CRT TVs to play melee on. Yeah. That's fucking awesome.

But yeah, I've never been, never been too good at them either. Like, Street Fighter, I like to play, but I'm not great at it. I'm not even good at it, I'd say. Mar versus Capcom, I think, is one that, to me, is a bit more fun. I can't play it on the technical level of, like, Mark Ryan or someone. Those motherfuckers just dominate. But, yeah, I also can't just wrap my head around it,

because, like, it is the, not so much stiff movement, but it's, like, movement that is very designed. where like every single thing you're doing has a purpose. Right. And the balance of everything is all completely thought out. It's just like, I don't have the brain capacity to wrap my head around it. Sure. I'm inherently talentless adventure games and puzzle games.

And for like, you know, I was talking about this with someone recently that I have a knack for side scrollers. Like I understand exactly how to play most of these games and like understand how they feel and can really like run over these games pretty easily. once I play spend enough time with them and I'm the exact opposite with with with puzzle games and adventure games like I just adventure games aren't necessarily hard they're just obtuse and I don't find that fun right like so we've experimented a few times with you know these games you know grim fan dango and stuff and I'm like this game's I don't I don't for me it the game sucks like I'm just like I don't I know what it's a ball of a game I'm not trying to insult it but it's like why is this fun I have to like talk to these people

find this obtuse thing to do this other obtuse thing and this run around like rubbing on the microphone my hair like this is awful like I I just, so adventure games aren't necessarily hard. They're just obnoxious, you know, in that sense. And you mean old school ones too. I feel like nowadays things are changed. Yeah, they're a little easier now. Because telltale games are adventure games, but they're not, they're not really

adventure games in the classic sense. I mean, well, that's what they are. I mean, what other genre are they? You know, like, that's exactly what they are. But it's just that there's no, they're just go. They just continue to go. I mean, it's like quantum games or adventure games, but they don't stop. You don't die.

Like, so it's like I, so that's like where I can, you know, until dawn, for instance, is an adventure game. and it's like that's you can't lose you know so like those are fine or you can't get stuck really right the only old school and I ever enjoyed was full throttle and that was just because oh you're gonna be able to play that soon I know I'm looking forward to even when they brought broken age out and were like it's more of a callback

to the old adventure games I sat down and played episode one and I beat it and I was just like no sorry I'm not doing it episode two it's just I can't do this I can't do this the other side of this coin to me is puzzle games and that's where I'm actually really bad at them so like when when I just don't don't see the fun in annoying the shit out of myself in these games. So I remember when Portal

came out. In the Orange Box that was like what, fall 2007? I was people playing. I'm like this. I'm like this is like awful. Like I like I like God. And I'm like and I'm like and everyone's like this this game so fun. I'm like no I get

I get it. I know you love it. I'm like I can't. I can't. I'm like you know like I just I played it for like half an hour before I got stuck and I don't. I know like it's not that I'm like I don't this is so annoying. You know like that's Um, so that's why you don't like limbo. Right. Well,

limbo, I think is fine, but limbo's not that hard either. It's just like, I don't, I like games where it's like the, the challenge is mechanical, right?

Like, um, not like, you know, like look around the environment and find the rock that you have to pick up to put on this switch to make this thing disappear. And then it's like, I'm like,

I don't, I don't know, man. I like, I like, I just like, I don't like, I don't like,

I don't like, if I want to like think, like really think deeply, I'll read a book. you know, like, I don't want to like, that's not why I play games. So like, I love games that like, like Castlevania, Mega Man and Ninja Guy and like we were talking about earlier that are like, those games are hard mechanically.

Those are mechanically hard games and you feel good when you figure out the mechanics of them. And I understand completely people wanting to be like, well, it's the same kind of feeling, the same kind of like carried at the end of a stick where you're, you know, you figure it out or whatever. That's why when the witness came out, I was like, no way in hell. I was like, there's no way in hell I'm playing this game.

Not because I don't believe it's good, but because my, it doesn't, it doesn't work with my mind. It reminds me of the Adventures of Lolo Trilogy on NES, which is like a beloved puzzle game on the NES. And I remember playing it being like, this is, it's so satisfying

when you finish a stage, but is it worth the obnoxiousness that I feel in my heart right now? You know, when I could be playing, when I could just be playing something else entirely. That's the worst when you play one of these games and you run into that point. And there's not an enemy to beat,

but you are an empty room, and you're backtracking all right. And you look at the clock, you're like, I've done, it's been 30 to 45 minutes of this. I could have been playing anything else in making progress and getting closer to something and feeling I accomplished something. Right. And I'm not saying that there aren't exceptions to the rule. I think a great exception to the rule is Hitman Go, which I think is really fun.

And that is a puzzle game. But like, it's turn-based and a little more easy for my mind to wrap around. I just, I just never vived with those kinds of games. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I grew up with consoles. But I grew up with PCs, but I grew, we didn't, we had, you know, Maniac Mansion and all these kinds of games. But it wasn't, it wasn't the same. Like those are the kinds of games that I grew up with.

What about things like Tetris, like that type of. Oh, well, that's different. I mean, Tetris isn't, Tetris' puzzle is like, how can you fit the lines over and over? Like, that's easy to understand. When I'm talking about, like, the game plays itself. What I'm talking about is,

here's a world. And like, when everyone's like, the witness is great, I'm like, I just don't believe you. And so, and so. That's crazy, like, portal to me. Like, I mean, again, what you're saying. Yeah. People are the guy.

I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't, people, some people, that's some people's favorite game. And I respect that. I remember when Portal 2 came out, I'm like, no. But people are like, you want to play Portal 2? I'm like, there's no prayer I'm playing Portal 2. I have, I have like post-traumatic stress disorder from Portal 1. You know, so it's just, but the thing that gets me, I was talking about, both of you about this earlier, is what gets me is that I take a lot of pride in being good at mechanically driven games, as I said earlier.

Like, that's how I play games. That's why I like, and so Downwell, which I've been playing on Vita is one of these anomalies where I'm like, I don't know that I've spent that much time with it. The downwall's over pretty quickly. I've probably spent fewer than five hours within total because it just moves quickly. But it's one of those games where I'm like, I just, why am I not getting any better at this? Like I play it, I play it, I'm like, I'm just not any good at it. Then I called up on YouTube like a high level of speed run of the game and I'm like, oh, you know, like the boots aren't really a weapon. You know, like the last resort.

You have to land on everybody and kill them. Right, the boots are used like you're, do you know anything about down well? So downwall, people should check it out. because it's really cool. It's a very mysterious Japanese indie game available on PC. It's on PS4 and Vita. I don't know that it's available anywhere else.

Where you're falling down a well, hence the name, and there are enemies, and you have these gunboots that have different powers or whatever, and the gunboots can damage enemies and get through blocks, and you're bouncing off of enemies' heads

trying to build combos and get lower and lower into the well. And it's all about combos, but it's all about speed, but I was playing. I'm like, do I play carefully? do I play it with some sort of precision do I play it with speed and I just couldn't figure it out

it's a mobile game. Yeah it's available on mobile too. And I couldn't imagine how you can possibly play on mobile but I believe people do. Because it's so tactile in my mind. You only play it with the X button and the Dpad. That's it. And what I realized was that no

you use the gun boots to like your so the gun boots have a certain amount of ammo and then when you land the ammo refills. And so what I didn't realize was that the ammo was refilling when I was bouncing off enemy's heads and so you use the the gun boots to stay off the ground and land another enemy and then the boots and then you build up these like ridiculous combos

and build up scores and all that kind of stuff. But even after I understood it and started playing, I'm like, I'm only marginally better at it now. You know, it's one of those games where I'm like, I just, for all these hardcore games that I'm like grade at, I'm like, fuck. Like I actually almost take this, it's almost like the anti-pride. Like I'm ashamed.

It was my last flight where it finally clicked on me. I'm like, oh, don't shoot everything. Bounce off of them. Oh, okay. But even once I figured that out, I'm not any like, I'm not made. getting further into levels. And it's one of those things

where there are enemies like with a white sheen on them and then there are enemies that are hard colored and the hard colored enemies you can't bounce off of you only have to kill them with the boots

and then it gets, it's totally heinous. But I like it. Like there's something about it where that keeps drawing me back because I'm bad at it. As opposed to the as opposed to the adventure games

where I'm like, fuck this shit. Like I couldn't care less about any of these games. This down-in-low game because I should be good at it but I'm not good at it. It's hearkening me back

every night. I pick up my Vita and play every night for four hours. Like I only for literally 10 or 15 minutes I'm like I play this and I'm like Fuck this game And then I put it back down You can't stop thinking about it

I can't I can't So it's funny like so even the games that I probably should By design be good at I'm not At least in this particular case so But I find much more pleasure in the games That are like That don't use the brain in the thinking man's way But use the brain in the brute force

Like I'm gonna figure I'm gonna be right I'm gonna finesse this Ninja Guide in which we were talking about In the first segment is a great example of that Where that game is so fast and so fluid it's it's Mega Man meets Castlevania and what I mean by that is it's fast

faster than Mega Man but it has the Castlevania sub item thing where you're like hitting candles and getting it and I'm like it's so fast and so good and when you're good at if so like when I watch someone play Ninja Guide and I judge them completely on how good of a gamer they are you know like because that's like one of the

that's a litmus test for me I understand why people are bad at Mega Man you know I understand why people are bad at Castlevania is very stiff but Ninja Guideon feels perfect and so you can you can really judge a man on their gaming acumen by putting a ninja guide and seeing how they do. To see what happens?

For me, it's first person shooters. I am so bad at killing things with that. My aim is just off for some reason. It just does not click, whether it's mouse and keyboard or controller. I just can't do it. Now,

that's why games like Overwatch are so great to me because I don't need to kill people. It's all random objective-based stuff. Totally into that. But for some reason, even back in the Halo day, it was like, Alfred would be out there killing.

I'm going, has to the flag and I'm all about that but I just I'm not good at the shooting things and not for some reason it's the I can never be comfortable with the aiming sensitivity whether I boost it up bring it down it never feels like Goldilocks nothing's perfect it's never right yeah it drives me crazy so it's because it's like that is such a basic thing that I feel like that is kind of the the modern day standard of all you're good at games I'm not good at games I know that but uh this is proof of why not first person shooters I I've noticed over time Because I think I don't I'm loath to say that I'm good at shooters because I don't play them competitively.

I think I'm good when I play against a hard AI or something like that. But I've noticed that I like to put the sensitivity all the way down almost. So like I really have to like move like really move to the gun. And I find that I have a lot more control that way. It's crazy with Alfredo because he's definitely the the best gamer I know overall. Regardless of genre. What about Jackie Big plays Butler? I mean, she does things.

Okay. But Alfredo is really good at shit and specifically first person shooters. But it's funny talking to him because over time he's gotten worse and he's like dude like me getting old My reflexes aren't the same and he's like I've had to change my sensitivity over time just because I can't keep up with it I'm like that's crazy that he plays on that level that that's something that you noticed you know I was better at games when I was 10 than I am now 100% like there's no doubt about like I used to fucking murder some of these games like kid icarus You know like I used to be awesome at that game that's a hard game yeah and I play it now and I can beat it but I'm like Jesus Christ like I'm like really

I'm like really struggling over here and 10 year old Colin was Do you think it was running a rough shot over this guy? Do you think it was because you jumped in or because you focused on a game one at a time and took for and you knew because I remember like you know I'd play what a side scroller

for death or return to Superman or whatever and like I knew where the enemies were entering from what they're going to do and where the optimal position going to other so yeah by the end when you're like fucking wrecking house it was because I knew everywhere that something would be whereas like now getting thrown in I just like I don't know what the fuck's going on and get destroyed

it could be yeah I think it's it's like those, it reminds me of Mega Man 9 and Mega Man 10 and both had trophies for beating it without getting hit. And young con would have been like, fine. You know? And old con was like, I can't do that. Like, like, that's too hard. Like, even for me, that's crazy.

That's just too much. Those are some of the rarest trophies you can get. And I was like, I got the trophy of beating it without dying and all that. I mean, that's not a problem. But like, but I'm like, you got to be. And I was watching people do these, these, like, these runthroughs of this where I don't even know how the fuck you figured some of this shit out. Like, this is too, I don't have time for this anymore.

But what Meggall is. a man two and three came out. I would have been that without getting hit. I would have totally done that for fun. But I really do do think my skills of atrophy a great deal since I was a kid and it could be because of the focus, but I also think it has to do with reflexes. And I also think it has to do with just the way we looked at games and the way we were obsessed with them, the way we thought about them. I thought about games I was a kid all the time. I played games constantly. I just don't play like that anymore.

And so like I didn't play like that even when I worked at IGN on him for years, I didn't play like that. I wonder if anyone does. I wonder if kids these days, I mean, there's the Minecrafts and stuff like that. But when we're looking at console games I wonder if kids are playing games how we used to or because things are so much more MP3 based where it's like

nobody listens to albums anymore now they just listen to a bunch of songs our video games the same way where there's so many out there and when you have the virtual consoles and the PSN and all this stuff it is and PS Plus which is just free games being thrown at you and just like there's so much out there that is it just a lot of

demos that they're playing and they're kind of moving on to the next thing probably and I think you can also, I think it's also games are just easier. So I think that like, you can move on quicker. Even if you're going to play the games all the way through, you're not going to run into too many games that are as hard as those games on that list from the first segment at all. You know, what game comes out today is as hard as Ninja Guyden?

You know, like, for every super meat boy or something that prides itself on being hard, there are a million games where I'm like, this is laughable easy. And so I think there's a constant, there's that too where people are like, they just don't have to spend as much time with it. If you could be a ninja guide when you were a kid, you were a fucking G, dude. You know, like, I mean, like, definitely could not have. done that. I remember, I used to play those games when I was kid. I was obsessed with that trilogy when I was a kid. I loved that. With the exception of Mega Man in Casabena, that was my shit.

And I remember when it came, we were doing the top NES list at IGN in 2007 or 2008, I had all the games on my PSP, my modded PSP. And I remember playing Ninja Guide and beating it, but I used safe states at the end because I'm like, I don't remember how the fuck to do this anymore. I'm not even bother. And so I think that people had that mentality too. Yeah, I mean, looking at the list of NES games, like, there's very few of these that I actually beat when I was a kid. A lot of them I went back and beat later, but yeah, me beating Zelda when I was little, fuck that. There's not even a chance

in hell of that happening. Mega Man still probably couldn't beat. I'm sure if I dedicated myself to it, I could beat Megan Man 2. Mega 2's easy. Mega 2's legit easy compared to the other ones. Yeah, Zelda 2, yeah, right. I've, to this day, never beat Zelda 2. I love that game. I can't wait you do a less play for that game. I love it. I'm going to use my own walk through 2. Did you beat it?

Yeah, when you were young? Yeah, he used Nintendo Power or something like that. But yeah, dude, you have to understand that. Like, I had a brother that was 11 years older than me. I beat a legit beat a lot of these games. By watching my, by watching my brother and sometimes getting his help. But I mean, I was legit beating games when I was with, when I tell people like I was three, four, five, six, seven playing and beating like games. It's true. You know, like I really was.

Because I was just, I had a, like a person that was way older than me playing these games and showing me how to do it. Yeah, no, that's great. I mean, that's a game changer, you know, just somebody to help you through the random parts you're stuck at the random parts you don't understand or can't read. Dude, I remember playing, I remember when Mario 3 came out, 90, 99. I would my brother would play it and I would like take my Legos and build airships like that he was like my own airship or whatever and you just like watch and learn and then when it's your turn when he goes to school or he's gone and you play then like you have a you are way better at it than you probably should be. What's super funny about that is back when DDR came out like I was super into that shit and my friend Curran totally not. This is back when he was fat. He was super not into it.

He was just like I'm never into plays and he never played it and he just watched me play it for about. year and then randomly one time first time he played it and he just fucking went straight to hard and was killing it and it's just like i've just watched for so long like i get it i'm like that's how he got skinny then he just played on hard the rest of the time he just kept going then he got super fit and like god damn he used to be so fat really yeah i miss fat curran he was so much nicer then now he's all mean he had blue hair like me yeah just like you yeah but metroid get the fuck out of here yeah it's like just because there's no map and and yeah there's you have to that's Those are the days of hand drawing your shit, which

People were saying, what was it? People were doing the witness, too, which I thought was cool with graph paper and stuff. But I remember, I remember Metroid being like, even in the time we were playing it, I remember being like, this game was, that game intimidated me when I was a kid. No, I played it, but it was. Did you beat that?

Not until later. I never beat the OG Metro. I beat Metroid Zero Mission, which was the remake. Right. But it was much, much easier. Yeah, no, the original Metroid's tough. That's a fucking tough game.

Yeah. And yeah, Kid Akerus. Kid of Chris is hard. Yeah. Punch out. Kidigris gets heinous. Punch out, I really don't believe is that hard.

Like, like we were talking about it on Colin and Greg where I'm like, I want to beat as many of these games as possible, if not all of them on the let's play series that we do with them.

And it's like, and you were asking me when I play punchout. I'm like, yeah, because like there's just, there's rules. Like, like, if you know how to play, it's the same thing with Mega Man.

Like if you just know what everyone's weaknesses is, you should have no problem. You know, and I think that it's the same thing with punchout. Like there's some fucking hard ass people on Punch Out. It's no joke, some of that shit. But you just got to like get back into that zone.

It's not so mechanical base, but it's timing base. And that's even easier to predict. Final topic of the day, as always. Brought to you. Brought to us. It's brought to you the viewer. By you. Brought to you by you.

Go to kind of funny.com slash gamescast topic, just like Cammovie 97 did. Hello, everyone. I recently took out a copy of MBLI 14. from my local library, and I can confirm it's the single worst video game I've ever played. What game? NBA Live 14. Okay. I'd heard of how bad it was, but never

had an opportunity to try myself. This is probably the first game I've ever played that's legitimately broken and unplayable. That got me thinking. We've been in this next generation for a few years now, so now that both consoles have a substantial library of games. So my question is, what's the worst game you guys have played on this generation's consoles?

The worst game. Oh, no. I have three answers. Jesus. One for each console. The worst is on Wii U. I'm gonna give it to Sonic Boom. That game is utter trash.

When we did the let's play of it, Colin, it was infuriating because there's been some bad Sonic games. Yeah. But this is a whole, whole new level of just, it's an atrocity. Xbox, Locosycle. That game. ducked was not fun. And what the fuck?

Like, I remember seeing that for the first time being like, huh. If only we had the minority report back then. That was like, that's a strong, hard no. Hard fucking no on that shit. What? Like, how did that make it fast any, any, like, pitch at all? And then, yeah, it was so broken and not fun at all.

Yeah. And then PlayStation 4, I just got to go knack. Fuck knack. I really don't like that. NAC was rough. Yeah, knack was rough. It was bad. It's weird because when I, I'm thinking of like broken games and stuff.

I'm stuck in PS3 area, right? Of like Nottie Bear or Amy or all these things that would be there. I mean, like this generation around, I can think of games that didn't injure, like that Ghostbusters game we just played was not fun, but it wasn't like a broken mess or something. Yeah, and that's the problem is I think that when you think about this, a lot of the broken games that aren't the worst thing ever.

Like next, not the worst thing. Right, right, right. It just, it sucks. That war for a game by the unity, you know, is broken. I didn't play it. So I don't know, but like, I'm assuming people would say that. What else is there? I'm trying to run through

like my download queue things I've played that you know just stupid PSN games I bought another Wii you one Mario Power Tennis or whatever

that game kind of sucked It was it power tennis Is that what it's called? That was like Mario Power Tennis I don't know Some of the smash smash Was in there

Ultra Smash Ultra smash yeah Smash smash smash That was no No boy no But it was But again It was broken

It was broken It's like It's almost as if the real Nintendo Champion Couldn't win It's kind of weird Maybe that's one

started pulling away in the real Nintendo champion game. You got anything called? I can't think of anything that's like outward but broken. Again, I go to last gen for that kind of shit. Amy is the epitome of that for me. G. Buttersnaps says, hey Greg, Colin and Tim, and especially, Kevin. I have a question about Lego Dimensions.

Hey. With Disney Infinity going the way of the dodo that pretty much opens the licenses to other toys to live games for their properties, specifically Lego Dimensions. Obviously, Star Wars is almost a shoe in to join the Dimensions roster in the future. And with there being multiple Lego Marvarez, games, one could assume they would join up too.

However, with DC being a big part of the dimensions already, do you think Marvel won't join the party? Or do you think this is our opportunity to finally get that head-to-head DC slash Marvel clash? So many have been hankering for. Love to hear thoughts. And sincerely, thank you for being the coolest dudes of video games. I think there's a great shot at it. I don't think it'll be a clash.

They will definitely not pit it as DC versus Marvel. But I could definitely, I definitely think this is the goal. I mean, to his point, I remember when I remember being so adamant talking on a podcast once about the fact that there would never be a Lego Marvel video game because there's already Lego DC and it's owned by Warner Brothers and so duh why would they ever do that and then they did the game

standalone you're like oh that's weird but there's no way for them to mesh up whatever and then Disney came around did all this stuff we're like all right well that's the end of you know Disney Infinity is going to be its own thing that Lego will be its own thing and then here we are where okay nope that's not only is that done but they were already making a Lego Star Wars game before we knew Disney Infinity was folding they were already making they are making Lego Marvel Avengers and all the stuff and it's it goes back to what I say that Disney gets it and Disney gets what they have and how to use it and to team up with the people who do great stuff. T.T. Games does great stuff. And I think it's the same thing where

even though Warner is Warner Brothers and wants you to go see every DC movie and everything else, they're not stupid. They know how much people love Disney properties. So they're going to be totally stupid if in this one business model, they're not including those things. I don't think you're going to see it open up the world to Lego Marvel versus Lego DC or something to that effect. But Lego dimensions is already mashing so much up that. Yeah, why? wouldn't you do that? Why wouldn't you get that and have that shot? Do you think that if they were both in dimensions, they would avoid having people clash? Or do you think that?

There's no way. There's no way to. The problem, the problem you're going to run into is that the starter pack of Batman, Wild Style, and Gandalf are their whole deal is that you can just have that starter pack and use them everywhere. So no matter what, every level would have to be able to have a Batman in it. So it might, they play with dialogue. You imagine a bit or whatever, but they can't keep them apart. There's no way to be like, oh, sorry, DC guys don't work here because that's totally what they from the the jump have been like that's not what we do that because that's what infinity did do where it was all right you can't take a Hulk and put them into the star wars play set in terms of unless it's free you know toy box mode or whatever the story mode over there

you can't put them in whereas that's always been like it mentions things that there's no rules no barriers so with year two kind of already forecasted sure think that they'll make any changes and add some marvel and or star war stuff into that or you think they'll wait for year three for that i don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility to announce at, I mean, I'm hosting the Comic-Con panel and I legitimately don't know. Nobody's been like, we have a huge announcement, which they would have been. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility to announce that, hey, guess what? We are teaming up with Star Wars.

They're going to be a part of it. The first wave will hit with Rogue One or whatever. And then from there on out, we'll worry about it. But they are so deep into, we already know, like, whatever, I forget how many dozen it is, the new franchises, the new properties are putting into this game. It seems like it's more than likely going to be that we get to summertime right, at E3 next year and get all right cool it's going to be Star Wars and it's going to be Marvel and it's going to be

this and it's going to be that and it's going to be DC movie universe and it's going to be this one other bullshit. I wonder what bullshit they're out next time. Fraggle Rock. My God. You had that one ready. I mean, well think about it. Think about how they did it right? Like they keep doing these things where it's like what's relevant now

in the Lego world that people care about and then what's something that a parent who's like a 30 year old man. I'm holding out for short circuit. Fuck yes. A thousand. thousand percent. Arthur Parsons, are you listening? Get Johnny 5 and are you kidding me? That's a great idea, Tim.

Oh, man. NW. Hollywood says, hello, gentlemen. I have a question for Greg. Did you watch WCW and ECW back in the day? And did you ever play any of their wrestling games? The answer is yes to both of those. So I'll never, ever, ever, ever forget the first time I watched ECW. Because we all in the, we all love WWF attitude era. We're all there Stone Cold Rock doing all this stuff.

And what, probably just Stone Cold at this point because it's so early. but when yeah my friend Jason came over and he was like we got we were doing a sleepover or whatever and all these people there were all drinking so he's like we got to stay up to whatever like 1 30 because that's when on u p.m they run ECW and if you like this you're gonna love that and I remember we just made fun of ECW the entire time because it looked like something we would film it was like in somebody's garage you know what I mean these idiots just hating each other but you I fell in love with it and became such a huge ECW fan he's such a huge ECW fan and so during the monday night wars I'd pop back and forth but I was w.WF pretty

tried and true. You know what I mean? I was pretty much on that my whole thing. Game wise of course you did. I talk about all the time, you know, like one of the reasons that you know, the way what in the late 90s, the people got back into wrestling so hard was the fact of course that, yeah, sure, it's Monday Night Wars and it's the

attitude error and they're saying suck it and you know, people are getting their dicks chopped off and's like, okay, that's kind of cool. That seems like something as a pre-teen, you remember that Valvinus getting castrated? You don't remember this? Oh, he shouldn't hit on that girl. That was all well and good, but remember those N64 games. games. Remember, you know, it was what WCW versus NWO revenge was the one that everyone lost their mind for and then the license flipped and they went and made the, they made a W.W. F.

WrestleMania 2000 and then they made no mercy. And I think no mercy is the better game, but it was all screwed up. But like in terms of a moment in time, Russellmania 2000 was the most important. It seemed to me and a lot of people I talk to and what we play at like Paxomania, right? It's the fact that that game hit and it was four controllers and we were all hopped up on loving what was happening with the wrestling and wanted to hang out and do all that stuff. Was there any ECW game? I know there was during that generation? Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah, it was PlayStation. It wasn't on N64. Huh. So what it was is that so it was this whole roulette deal, right? So WCW is with THQ slash AKI right. And then that WCW went and went to EA. Then WWF went to AKA

because they were getting their games made by Acclaim before. And these were the acclaim games that were all the like the combos and the bullshit and it wasn't any fun. So then ECW signed the deal with claim to put out their game and do that. And it was just like the same engine and all the crazy ass combos and dumb stuff. And it was like, all right, cool, I want to do a Van Dammitter. Fuck, I fucked it up, but I didn't do it. Damn it.

Sucks. Do you see that tonight as of the time we're recording this, that they're going to do the draft again. Oh, no. Smackdown and R are going to be split again. Okay. Different rosters and who goes where. Had they not been split?

Have they unsplit? Years ago. Oh, really? I think, I think something like five years. It's so hard to keep up with. everyone on the same thing. And from last I heard, Xavier Woods is like turning heel.

No. Yeah, it sounds like he did the whole thing where he walked away from his, his group, and he did the whole like, stare down thing.

You know it's gonna have an air group. It sounds like a soft turn. We'll talk to him today. I want to go out. We're very excited to hang out with him. Kevin, sorry you can't come. Wrestling, man. Slevin 29.

I like Jake the snake. Says, hey guys. In the wake of, hold on time. Have you watched a documentary yet? No, it's really fucking sad. Yeah.

I really did. I heard it's not easy. In the wake of some nostalgia heavy releases like Pokemon Go and Nintendo's Mini NES, I want to know if any you had any experience with the Turbo Graphics 16 or the Turbo Duo console and game library.

My family had both before we got a PlayStation in 97 and I used to love bringing friends over that had Nintendo's or Super Nintendo's or Sega's to show them some of the best games on the console. Is it Ease? Easebook 1 and 2 were my first RPG and is so on my favorite games of all time. I would love to your guys.

on the really underrepresented console. I have absolutely no experience with it. So yeah, we, I want to think my brother had a friend named John who had one. This is how it goes, because for me, Mike Boyland's brother, Dan, had one. Yeah, so that was like my exposure to it. Was exposed to it more later.

This is PC engine stuff. And so I want to say this, that if you're a Patreon subscriber to us on kind of funny games, I did an hour and a half or something, maybe a little less with Jared Petty. And we talk about some of our favorite consoles. And he was saying that one of his favorite consoles or his favorite consoles, actually PC engine, which is turbographics, and goes very deep into that catalog on that episode,

which is exclusive if you give us $1 a month. So you can really go listen to that and get a lot of turbographic shit. That's this month's one that's coming up, correct? No, that was the one that's already up. The next one up will be me and Alex about JRP's. So yeah, but my exposure to that's really minimal. I remember the East games being really exciting. I mean, I remember when Wanderers from East,

which is the third East game came to SNES, and that was a big deal because those games were really locked for a while behind, like this thing no one had like only a few million people in the West had it. But yeah, you everyone knew, or at least I knew someone that, you know, and people like had their connections. Neo Geo is the same thing, even rare and way more expensive where it was like, you know, someone knows someone with a Neo Geo, right? Like I think my brother's friend PJ had one.

And you can like use your memory cards. It was a very, you know, complicated kind of thing. But these were like almost, when I was a kid on the internet in the mid-90s, these are very mysterious systems. I remember I had a whole list of role playing games. I was so obsessed with JRP's and like the games that I missed because I didn't have these fucking consoles. and like who the hell was gonna buy a turbo graphics or even a turbo duo which is like even fucking weirder so

um i just remember going over and watching people play bonk bonk yeah bonk was jim was um he was upset what was he was he was he was obsessed with though he erzong was he was the bonk and air zon he had the world record or something turbo graphics classics air zonk what the fuck is erzonk i don't remember what the fuck is bonk oh you remember Blank. No, I don't. Little giant, little dude, giant head.

He was a little cave man. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah. Huh. I never played it, but I, nobody played it. They just knew who he was. Man, all right.

Reverse flash says, Hey, Tim Cullen and Greg. In recent years, Konami and Capcom have dropped the ball on a lack of their big IP getting new installments, Mega Man, Kesslvania, etc.

One IP from Capcom that's surprised hasn't received a proper sequel is Okami. This game seems beloved by many gamers and I was wondering why you guys think they haven't made a proper new and current platforms.

Every time they try, they fuck it up. The re-release that had IGN's logo on the box on. That was the best. That was the fucking best. I loved that. That's like one of the best things that ever happened. I couldn't believe it. The history of life.

I was like, that's so good, man. That's amazing. Were you guys at IGN at that time? Oh my God. That was, how did that go? I remember freaking out. It was hysterical, dude. I was like, that is the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life.

How the hell that happened? Capcom's so weird. I think Okami is not as big as people Link it is. And what do you mean by that? Not as big. It's like mirror. It's like what I say about Mir's edge. Like because we're in this like little circle, we expect that everyone wants an Okami sequel. Just like everyone wants a, you know, Miraz Edge sequel except for they didn't and no one bought it.

And it wasn't very good. So, but wasn't there an Okami? Wasn't there a recommi sequel on DS? Yeah, not three yes. D.S. Yes. Comed in or whatever. Yeah, but it was different. Okay. So they released something. They released on the H-D versions. And I played it again on PS3 for a little while. I mean, it's like, that's definitely not the egregious Capcom shit that's sitting dormant. You know, like, Okami's definitely not the game that comes to my one. I'm like, why isn't there a sequel to this? Animusha is the

fucking franchise where I'm like, why is this dead? What do we? What do we nuts? You know, like, what's happening here with this game? I still feel like what you're gonna know? I'm sure Janirino wants to come back. You know? All I want is Anamusha 3-2. I just don't know if you really believe that that game's good

or not. No, I love that guy. I legitimately love that game. More than the first two. Yes. You like Anamusha 3. More than Anamusha 1 and 2. It controls like a game should control. Not all tanky and shit. Ani Musha 1's great. Anni Musha 2, I'm not a big fan of.

Ani Mush is probably the first fantastic PS2 game. Well, maybe the bouncer, but a lot of people Not the bouncer. I love the bouncer. The game's way underrated. Way underrated. No. It is perfectly rated. It is rated. I wanted to like the bouncer so much. I remember getting that. I like the bouncer. I remember Ryan

and I were sympathetic with that. He also liked folklore. Yeah, you did. He gave it a nine. The opening cinematic of Ani Musha 3. It's so bad, dude. Anamush's three is so fucking

totally weird. Such a weird. I remember buying him being like, this sucks. Why am I shooting a gun? Yeah. In an animusha game, why do I have a gun? Why am I even in modern day

in an animushi? It doesn't really make any sense. I like Semenoski. He's my boy. So that's why I like one and three. I never. played Don of Dreams or whatever the fourth one is it Don of Dreams? Yeah the fourth one's great. I just never got it.

And it controls like the way you wanted to. Yeah, I know. I can't imagine. But yeah, two, I don't know. I didn't like all the other characters. I didn't like switching between all of them or whatever. But give me John Reno. I'm into that. I don't know. I still don't know it that. I don't know it back. Please. Oh, speaking to PS2 classics. I'm super excited about this. A couple weeks ago we're talking about which ones we want. I said Connecticut. Connecticut's there. Yeah, it's coming out. I didn't know that shit. Yeah, they did a video of Santa Monica. That was so, that's Sony, Santa Monica's first game. People might have seen that they released a video like a retrospective on that game because there's some people that are still working at the studio that worked on it.

Oh, I need to check that out. That's cool. That's super awesome. I love that fucking game. Anyways, ladies and gentlemen, this has been kind of funny games cast. We will see you next week. I love you.