Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - New Game of the Year Contender: Immortality - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Episode Date: September 8, 2022

Whether you did or didn't play Immortality yet, we got you covered with a spoiler-free review AND an in-depth Spoilercast! Before that, Andy talks Splatoon 3 and Joey dives into Disney Dreamlight Valley! Follow Reb at: https://twitter.com/duckvalentine Time Stamps - 00:00:00 - Start 00:04:31 - Housekeeping 00:08:02 - Splatoon 3 Review In Progress 00:17:42 - Disney Dreamlight Valley 00:34:22 - Ads 00:36:32 - Immortality Review 00:59:23 - Immortality SPOILERCAST Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up and welcome back to the Kind of Funny Games cast. Of course, I'm Tim Geddes and I'm joined by the Big Daddy himself, Greg Miller. I had such a great idea for my own version of a game show for the post show. Because, of course, blessing does bless him. He does a great job. It is a kind of feudy. I came up with my own in the shower the other day. Did a couple of the guesses, like the, you know, it's five questions.

And then I screwed it up and now I'm frantically trying to put it all together. And it's like, you're a kid. And like, I'm hoping Tim calls on me last for my assignment. Mr. Gettys don't let me go last. I'm in homeroom. I said to Greg before the show, you know, I'll help you out in the background while we do the games cast just in case. And he slacks me, Tim. He slacks me.

Stay out of my fucking way in all caps. That's how you can help me, bro. All right. Do you want to give a tease, Greg, a little tidbit about what the name of this game show might be? The name of this game show is not, you know, bless who, kind of feudy, all good. I'm going a different angle. Greg and the gaming gang, go to the movies. Oh, how does that make you feel?

Nitro rifle, Andy Cortez. I don't know how to feel right now, honestly. I do think that Greg should have just ripped off somebody else's game idea. Like how blessed is ripped off everybody's ideas. Yeah, yeah, exactly. D23, you all proud of that, everyone? Oh, I love it. We're starting with the spice already.

Speaking of D23, we will be live reacting too. blessing at aioe Jr. hosting the D23 Games panel with some Marvel games announcements, maybe some Star Wars stuff, some Disney stuff, who the hell knows what's going to be there? I sure don't.

I can't wait to find out. But that is, we'll never know what that is. We'll never know what that is. Oh, God, I thought that was one of those where I thought he, I thought I froze. I thought everybody else died around me.

No. Tim come back. Tim, he'd come back. Everybody, let's all do the same pose as him. Is it this hand? I mean like a great, yeah, Joey, your other arm and then I'll reach off my... Andy, you do the opposite. You do the opposite.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Oh, I'm not watching the stream. Me and Greg do this at the other arm. Yeah. Here we go. This is great for audio listeners, by the way. Tim's Slack is just, oh, no, BRB. Probably a blue screen.

It's a blue screen. It's a blue screen. He shouted. Of course, let's start this again. Then welcome the kind of funny games cast, everybody. I'll be your host for the second. Greg Miller, who forgot to do the game show. Alongside, of course, it is Christmas in, September, Joey Noel. Hello, Joey. Hello. It's very rare that I find myself on this side of the

YouTube universe and it's going to be here. Yeah, I'm glad to drag you down to our depths. You know, you're over there with your 299,000 subs. Yeah. And I got to hear about it every fucking day that we only have 279. All right. But here you are. You're one of us now. You can't be offended by it, you know? Maybe I want to go back to the Nick side of things, you know? Oh, God. He's coming. The problem with Nick coming back soon is he's going to be horrible. You know what I mean? He's going to be so pent up. Like his wife doesn't let him go full Nick.

We're going to have to have full Nick for weeks on the end now. Isn't that right? Hispanic hardthroat Texas treat Latino heat, clicking heads and ripping him to shreds. The globe trotting headshot nitro rifle from Twitch. Dot TV. Andy Cortez. You're absolutely right.

We talked about it today on the stream that Michael's like, I miss Nick. And I was like, I don't. I was like, no, no, of course I do. Like, I miss Nick. But he's going to get back and I'm going to quickly wish him to go. back on vacation. He's going to come out the gates with some stupid thing that he thought up of or some insult or some shit talk. Who knows what it is. I'm going to be like, God, go back on vacation,

please. Understandable. That's understandable. Speaking of going back on vacation, he's back from a forced vacation, ladies and gentlemen. It's Forbes 30 under 30, aka the second best baby blues in San Francisco, aka the verified one at Tim Getty's. Damn, but I saw him come on and I saw him with the eyes and something was wrong. Hey, it was all right. I'm good, I'm good.

There was no audio for a second. I'm sorry about that. Got the blue screen. That was the whole thing. Anyways, I am back at it like a bad habit. I don't know where y'all left off. I assume you. Everyone's introduced.

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We're going to start this off with us. This crew you have right here talking about some fine video games. Then we're going to go to an ad break. But when we come back, it's going to be a whole new crew. Greg, do you want to give a little tease of what they're about to get later in this episode? Ladies gentlemen, there's a game out called Immortality, and it's taking the world by storm. If you are one of these nerds like me that like narrative games and like mysteries. So I grabbed Blessing Eddie Oye Jr.

Before he went to D23, I grabbed IGN's Rebecca Valentine. And we have both a spoiler-free review if you know nothing about immortality. of why you should play it and what we think of it. And if it's a game of the year contender, it is. And then a spoiler cast where we go into everything that you can come back to later. But again, that's the end of it, unless, of course, you're here and you're going to be doing the whole, like, Patreon post show, then you got to jump around. It's a whole thing.

I was asked this last night by Snowback Mike. Andy, you think of dropping into that immortality game? I was like, yeah, I think so. There's enough big buzz about it. He said, I turn it on, turn it off within five minutes. I didn't know what was happening. He's the worst. He's just the word.

Don't be like Mike. It's working for me. Didn't know what to do. Turn it off. Like, he's like, if you're gonna read me a fucking story, just show me the movie.

Like, if you're gonna show me a movie, like, just let me watch it. I don't want to do all this shit with it. Well, in the conversation, uh,

I think Rebecca Valentine, uh, does a good job of describing why this needed to be a video game. Ooh. So that is a lot of fun teases for the future. Shut your fucking face, Mike. There you go.

The future. Y'all, we're here right now. And right now, I'm feeling a little splatoony. Andy Cortez, you've been playing some Splatoon 3. What do you think about it? I have been.

Unfortunately, not as much as I'd like to, as I would have liked to, Tim, because they had the Splat Fest weekend, that first demo. Servers weren't great. The game was up for about 12 hours. And I think one of my main issues with Nintendo games, and I don't know if it's necessarily just the way the games are built online, but when one person, When one person drops out, the game just disconnects and it says, all right, somebody disconnected, go start a new game.

And that happened quite a bit. But I love Splatoon and I was addicted to it anyway. And whenever I could get that one match in, one more match sort of thing going, because the rounds are so fast, like I think it's like three minutes, three to four minutes each game, it's such a, it's so action-packed. It's such a blast. If you lose, no big deal, you're not going to be stuck in another Valerant match for 49 minutes to see if maybe you could win one more. They're so quick and it's such an easy going game. I had a blast with it. I had a lot of fun with it.

And I'm committing to motion controls. Whoa. You're going to click heads with the motion controls? Yeah, I'm over here. I'm using the right stick for the big movements. And then I'm just, I'm all here. I'm all here. For audio listeners, I'm wiggling and jiggling the controller.

Tell me about that. Andy, I'm excited to hear about this because, you know, you, in the last couple of years of you being on Gamescast, I feel that represented your time switching from a controller FPS player to the mouse and keyboard player. Do you think that has something to do with your switch to the motion controls here? In Splatoon 2, I remember you were more controller-based, right? Yeah, but I don't necessarily think that there's anything having to do with, like, them being paralleled in any way. And if anything, it's more of me being like, I learned a... one thing I could probably learn this as well. And I also know that this is the more preferred

way for people to play. And this is the way that people say that Splatoon is best enjoyed if you can get the hang of it. It can feel really wonky and weird at first. Don't get me wrong. Like I'm I still was able to play a lot of the campaign with this early code that we got for Splatoon 3. And even then it's like I ran into many moments where I wanted to switch off the motion controls because it was just too much for me and I was just getting kind of frustrated with a lot of the movements. But I'm committed to motion controls, especially for multiplayer. I was doing, I was fracking the fuck out. Oh my God, just destroying all these little eight-year-old kids.

It was amazing. Yeah, I had a blast with it and I'm committed to sticking with motion controls for multiplayer. The game's just fun. It's got a great soundtrack. It's the same spletoon you know multiplayer-wise. There are several other modes that they were introducing that I unfortunately did not get to join in on because of the allotted times that we're given for these play sessions. There was, I think, like, one day of like, hey, you can, I didn't get my code until the second day that the play sessions were able to go on.

And by that point, it was full transparency. That was on us, not Nintendo. It's not like they gave us the code later stuff. There was just some communication issues. Just wanted to put that out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I'm trying to play, I ended up playing in the first session, which is tour four, which is the mode that is most, you know, most known in Splatoon. It's just cover the most ground in your color ink and then try to win the game.

But unfortunately, I wasn't able to try any of the other modes because of the times that they were at and I just had other stuff happening that day. And then I got some DMs from the homie Andre from Game Explane who was like, hey, I think I saw you online. I think you have a code as well. Are you able to get into a game? I was like, I am not. He's like, yeah, neither am I. What the, I don't know what the hell is going on. So I think we are having issues with servers or things like that.

We wanted to somehow make a custom game to join up with other games during those and stuff. But eventually the servers went completely offline. So I played a decent amount of the campaign. My problem with the campaign, though, is it, I, Splatoon campaigns have always just felt like something you play when multiplayer isn't up. Splatoon campaigns can always feel like an extension of the main game. They almost feel like tutorials in a way.

Like, learn, get better at these skills of what you'll do and to put to use in the real game. And I think they're trying to expand upon that a bit more. I put maybe like three hours into it. And it's, it's fine. Like I know some people are going to really, really dig it. I just didn't really, nothing. There was nothing that are bringing me back, right? There's some neat mechanics that they do introduce,

but at the end of the day, it did feel, it does feel a lot slower playing the campaign because you're not playing other people and there's not, that frenetic energy isn't necessarily there. Maybe it gets harder as it goes on, and you will have experiences that more mirror the experiences that I love in the multiplayer. But it really does just seem like much like the campaign of last of Splatoon 2.

They always just feel like bonus content that, hey, this is here too. And I know they want it to be more than that, but I've never really cared about the Splatoon world any like in that way where I want to know about the lore and the characters. I'm just here for multiplayer. So multiplayer isn't accessible for me. It's kind of like a, you know, what am I here for sort of a moment? And another bummer is that a lot of the XP that I was getting wasn't helping me unlock things for multiplayer. I, the more you play multiplayer, the more you're able to, you go higher and level, then you can unlock better weapons for the multiplayer.

And I wish there was some of that crisscross between the campaign. I never feel like I got anywhere in the campaign that then sort of like, oh, you unlocked this in campaign. now you have maybe this weapon in multiplayer, similar to what you'd find in like a destiny where you do a little mission and then you might get a gun that can be used for any moment, right? It all just, I don't know, it just kind of felt like, again, tutorials,

little single player sections that are there and the fun is there if you can have it, but I just was not having a lot of fun with it, unfortunately. So compared to Splatoon 2's multiplayer, you being a more multiplayer guide, Do you feel like with what you have experience of three, there are enough improvements that this feels kind of like a better experience? And do you plan to play a lot more of it?

Well, I have, I've definitely planned on playing a lot more of it. Like, I'm excited for the launch. I'm going to be there. I'm going to play a whole lot of it. I don't, I couldn't even tell you what felt different about it. I think that's my main issue about Splatoon 3 coming from 2. I think other than it being a new game, like the hub world that you walk around in.

The few sort of NPCs, not NPCs, but other players just sort of standing around there with their art in the game. It just brought back all those, you know, feelings of joy that I felt with Splatoon too, but I don't think there's going to be anything markedly

different, unfortunately. Not that anything really needs to be a whole lot different because I just love the core experience anyway. And it does feel like a new reason to kind of get back into this gameplay flow. But yeah, I'm definitely stoked to get back into the multiplayer. I'm not really excited for much else.

They do have new salmon run, which is sort of their co-op horde mode, sort of objective-based hoard mode where you go collect eggs and you bring it back. Another mode that I just don't really care a whole lot for. Unfortunately, I'm the multiplayer guy and I'm kind of just there for that. and when that's down, sure, I'll try out the other modes and I'll see how long it keeps me there. But unfortunately, I couldn't even get into any of like the cool customization with dressing up my dude. Like, I feel like that's such a big core part of Splatoon is the style and kind of, you know, dressing your dude up and getting cool clothes and goggles and everybody loves a goggle, you know, like everything's a tie and Digimon. Hell yeah, it's just there wasn't a whole lot of customization that I could explain.

explore. So yeah, we'll have to see how it feels at launch. But if it's going to be one person's internet goes down and the whole game crashes, like, that's going to really suck. I didn't experience any of that in the like release time that I had with the review period, but I experienced it a lot during the Splatfest beta weekend thing. Well, we'll have to stay tuned here on the games castles. I'm sure we'll get more updates from Andy. I'm sure you guys will stream it at some point. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So a lot more thoughts coming up. I love it enough to play it a lot more more for sure. Yeah. I think that's a good takeaway too is that you're high on the game is just kind of like where it's out right now. It's not like you're not in a place to like put a score on it or anything.

Right. Right. But yeah, stay tuned for a lot more Splatoon stuff from Andy Cortez. But moving on from that, we have Joey Noel here. And we have Joey for a very, very specific reason. A, Disney game came out in early access right now. Correct. It is a Star 2 Valley type Disney game. It is. With a name that I'm going to say, not good for what this game is, but the Disney Dreamlight Valley, something about that.

I'm like, all right. It is a, it doesn't stick in your brain. I've been playing this game for like 40 hours and every time I talk about it, I'm like, what is the actual order of the words again? It does feel like a little bit generic. But besides the name, what's the quality of the game? Honestly, it's really good. I feel like I jumped into this very skeptically. I think I had like kind of prepared myself to get hit with some like mobile game mechanics of like really high and intrusive

like micro-transactiony stuff and like a lot of like bullshit like energy timers, which I don't find like a fun thing to play. But this game is like legitimately good, especially considering that it is in early access. It's way closer to Animal Crossing than Starry Valley in terms of mechanics and stuff like that. It's a lot more like simple and easy. I feel like there's a lot more you have to manage in Starry Valley with like the day night cycles and the crops and stuff like this. And this is just like a way more paired down kind of system of things. But yeah, so you, Dreamlight Valley is this town. There's this thing called the forgetting that's like this dark misty thing that's like, taken over the town and you lose all these

orbs that are around the town and there are these thorns that have like taken over and it essentially like makes everybody forget everything about their lives and people leave and forget to come back and your job is to like restore it back to like its glory and stuff like that. So

it's really fun. You have like a couple different ways that you unlock stuff. There's story quests which is figuring out like how to get the town back and then you have like 17 characters I think are in the early access, and then you level up their friendship

to level 10 to figure out their individual storylines. And then there's realms. When all of that you do like on the main map, and then there's realms, which is where you go to like these little tiny baby maps that are like specific to individual characters. And so those are all themes.

There's like Moana and it's very islandy and stuff like that. So you're bouncing around a little bit. I'm kind of surprised looking at this, because, you know, I hear in the Starry Valley connections and stuff, like I see the elements there. But this seems like it's more of like a third person walk around game as opposed to like the more top down thing you'd expect from a Starty Valley like. Yeah, I guess. I mean, I feel like it's just very similar to Animal Crossing, which is like all those same mechanics. It's not multiplayer.

It's in their roadmap. So I imagine it's less like actual multiplayer and more like you can visit each other's. Island. Animal Crossing dreams are flying in like an animal crossing. Yeah. Like you can probably do like. There's not a lot you can there's no terraforming. So like you can't really change a ton about the way your island looks other than decorating. You can. The thing that I do like is like all of the plants and greenery and everything outside is movable. So you could change stuff that way and put a lot of things on there. But you can't change a lot of like the landscape of what your islands look like. It'll be I think we're going to see some like pretty crazy. island or like island decor and houses and stuff like that but that is not my personal strength in these games uh so i will leave that to people that are way more talented and uh at doing stuff like that because joey the big question is you know me and you know my obsession with animal crossing would i enjoy this game even though i don't love disney i don't hate disney but i just don't like

love disney yeah it's it has the right gameplay loop i think it's i think one level like a little bit more complicated than Disney just because it has like farming and a cooking mechanic. I think it's a really fun puzzle for the cooking stuff because it tells you out of, there's like five potential slots for ingredients. And then it doesn't tell you how to make anything. You just kind of have to like throw things together and figure them out yourself. Okay.

Which I found fun. I think obviously playing this for review when nobody else is playing this, it's going to take me way longer to figure stuff out. So I'm sure people are going to fly through it once there's guides for all of these recipes, but I think it's fun to figure that out. Andy Cortez. I saw what Tim is mentioning, though, like, I would have expected

any sort of Starlight, Star Do Valley game or Animal Crossing game to have sort of that fixed camera top-down, isometric view. Are you able to switch your camera angles to anything more than just like this third person view? Because earlier we saw a camera

kind of sweeping over the town. Is that like camera used in any of the building modes or is that just like for this trailer. That's what you use for placing furniture down. You can, and like even when you're playing, you can change like your angle totally like completely to like get around trees and stuff like that. And when you have it in like the outdoor building mode, you can go like fully across the map. I don't know that you ever get these like full sweeping things because usually you're trying to place stuff down.

But it is kind of like simsish in that where you can change and move things around so you have things. like very specifically. Is there any Marvel in this or is it just straight of Disney stuff? Just Disney and Pixar currently. I don't, I imagine that they're probably maybe. I don't know.

I don't know how separately they keep their properties, but no, but no, I bet they'll do it eventually. Yeah. Is this one to stick with Joe? Is this one that you're sticking with? Yeah.

What's the longevity here? I got the code last Tuesday and I put 40 hours in in the last week, which like, realistically, I haven't done that with a game for review since Animal Crossing. Right now, I'm level 31. I have no idea what the like character level cap is.

I have four out of the four realms unlocked, which are like the little like character character themed lands that you can go visit. When you go into the castle, you see like a bunch of doors that have like different symbols for different characters. And the way that they have it built out currently is you can visit four of them. But there's probably like 30 empty doors that are roped off. So like you can tell that they have some. big plans for different realms that you can go visit. The problem with those is that like you kind of

go visit it to get the character to come back to you and you don't really have a reason to go back. There's not like a ton of like back and forth with that. And then I have six out of the seven biomes on the map unlocked. 16 out of the 17 characters unlocked. I have two of them at max level 10. And then everybody else is like at seven or eight. So like I still have like a good chunk of stuff left to do. The map kind of looks like Disneyland inspired, at least with the castle and like the main street. And then just looking at what Barrett was showing a little bit, it seems like that's kind of the end of the Disneyland inspirations. And then the rest are kind of like, where the worlds would be is all more like, okay, cool, here's Atlantis from Little Mermaid or here's

Agrabah from Aladdin. Is that kind of the vibe or is there more Disneyland influence? There's no, yeah, I feel like it's more like environments from movies than it is Disneyland. it's like the beach you have like the frozen ice kind of stuff you have the forest like it's not I think the most Disneyland part of this game is the is the cosmetics um which you can you can just like find uh in chests and stuff like that plus that was like the whole point of the paid early access as you got there were different packs depending on what kind of things you wanted for furniture and clothing but they do a really good job of not having it just be like this is a Buzz Lightyear costume.

They really understand the ethos of like people loving Disney bounding and having like normal outfits that are inspired by characters. So it doesn't feel like overly like branded. And they have like some really, really fun and cool pieces and stuff like that. Something that I haven't dug into is this design tool where you can like customize based on all these patterns and stuff like that. I was, uh, our, my friend Fiona was posting like a screenshot of her character. She was like, and she had this like dark blue sweater with these, all these like fun stars that looked kind of like, um, fantastic.

Mickey. I was like, oh my gosh, your sweater is so cute. Where'd you get it? She's like, no, I made it in the creator. I was like, damn. I'm very excited to see what people do with it because I think it'll be fun. Um, I think how does it compare you being a such a fan of these type of games? Do you think it stands up with an animal crossing or Star Dew Valley? I think it does. There, they, you can tell that there are people that like playing these kinds of games on the development team. When you do things like crafting and cooking, it pulls from your inventory. It doesn't have to, like your storage inventory, it doesn't have to be on your person, which is like something that's annoying about a lot of games like this. In the menus, there's something called the collection, which tells lists every character, every flower, every ingredient, everything that you can find on the map. and it tells you exactly what biome it's in, so you're not having to like run around and remember where to get things.

The way that the fast travel works in the game is really cool. You unlock wells in each of the biome, and that's kind of where you land when you fast travel. But you can open up the map anywhere in the game and fast travel to a well. You don't have to go from well to well. So it's like a pretty quick movement and stuff like that. it's oh when you're like when you have items in your bags for quest they're tag their quest items when you're placing them like in the world because sometimes you have to do some like crafting of items and place them outside it pops them to the top of your inventory and tells them like it's just all of these little quality of life things that you can tell that people who play these games are like this is what I've hated about all of these other ones that I've played and we want to fix it um it is like early access so like it there are like kind of kind of

of some jinky moments. Some of the quests are a little bit weird. I feel like the game in general is so clear about so many things that some of the quests being very vague and is kind of off-putting. I didn't know if it was just me because sometimes I'm just dumb and I can't figure it out, but I was watching other people play yesterday and today. Like Tina was playing and Ray was playing today. And they also struggled with like a lot of the same things that I did.

So I think that is just like a, it's not clear in the gameplay. so I think they probably need to tighten some of that up. Can you explain what one of these quests is? Yeah. Is it, are they like fetch quests sort of things? Yeah, a lot of it is like, go talk to this character and get this item from them, or I need you to collect X amount of like these flowers

and then cook this syrup kind of things. The one that I had the hardest. Such Joey game. I know. Go on this guy, make some syrup. I wish I should send us to you. I took notes on this game, and there are three and a half pages of notes

that I took while I was playing this. When Joey said, like, I don't know what the level cap is. I like to imagine the devs were like, we got to keep making levels. She's still going. There, like, there was one where you had to, like, make a fish pie for Elsa and I, like, kept track. Like, I had all the ingredients in my thing,

but they just, like, weren't popping. And I made a billion of those items. And then just one time I went in and it worked and stuff like that. There was a thing where like Merlin's, I know. Merlin was like, hey, we have to go investigate this crystal in this one biome. And so I was like running around with him in there and I couldn't figure out. And it was like a crystal that was just on the ground. But it looked like the normal like dig spot.

So it didn't look like anything specifically different. And like just little things like that are kind of unclear. I also fucked up really hard in the order that I played this game. All of the different biomes you unlock with Dreamlight, which is like one of the like currencies in game that you get from doing if you've played animal crossing they're like nook miles essentially you just get them for doing like little baby quests like foraging five vegetables and harvesting three rocks and all that kind of stuff um but they cost anywhere from like 3,000 to 10,000 dream light so I was like doing all of that on the map and I got

locked out of progression pretty fast because I didn't have some of my tools upgraded further and I forgot that there were those like extra realms in the castle that were are like pretty low level you're supposed to do those first so I didn't do those until I had every other buy them on the map except for the last one uh so even now there's like parts of the map I can't get to because I need to like harvest through stuff that I don't have the right pickax for so don't make my mistake make sure you do the castle stuff early on Joe I asked earlier but I think you queued in on an actual mechanic rather than overall would I like this game as somebody who doesn't like Disney or doesn't not like Disney but doesn't care that much about Disney like isn't you know

ride or die Disney I think you would still like the game uh I think that it being Disney is a lot of the pull but the game mechanics and like gameplay of itself definitely stand alone um I would say you probably don't have to play it right now I would wait till full release next year it's gonna be like fully free to play it'll be very interesting to see what kind of like monetization they add to it then because right now there isn't even a way to add real money into this game other than the like founders pack but you have to buy those to even get in so it'll be interesting to see what that looks like okay Joe does um the old mermaid's dad the king he's he's still got that penis in the crown so but uh he's he's not in the game yet currently I have not

he got canceled I can't I can't verify any crown can't be inappropriate like that yeah you also can't date any of the characters which I know is upsetting to some people but like probably for the best. So I feel like that is probably like in line with the Disney brand, but I know people were really excited about. No, no, no,

no. It's okay. It's okay. And I don't think it was the crowd. I think it was his like house situation. You know what I mean? Oh, really? Yeah,

it was on the cover. Yeah, it was on the cover. Yeah. You can stop saying that word anytime you want it. You know what I mean? Like you don't need to keep saying it. But all right, Joe, final,

final thoughts on. Disney dreamscape Valley Disneyland dreams stuff. Dream drop distance. It's really fun. I'm surprised. I think it's really fun to play now. I think it'll be extra polished, obviously when they do a full release.

They also have like a battle pass thing in it, which I think is what's going to pull me back in because I think once I'm done with the full story in these realms, I don't know that I'm going to be compelled to like keep playing the way I kind of do with Animal Crossing. Get three headshots of goofy. No, it's essentially more of those little mini missions, like the Nook Miles ones where it's just like, get three, gather three rocks and get four flowers and stuff like that. So it's easy stuff to like fly through if you wanted to commit to like getting it all out.

Right now it's like a Pixar themed one. So it's a lot of cars and Coco and Incredibles. You get a cute little squirrel that's dressed up in an Incredibles outfit that can follow you around. It's pretty fun. Awesome. Awesome. You sold me, Joe. that's all it took yeah there's no interest from you is there i mean as the disney you're a no

like the thing is these games though these type of games yeah that's it it just it doesn't speak to me but i mean i think it's cool looking at the gameplay of it and hearing joe talk about it like i i'm happy that it seems like they nailed what they were going for which is hey people love disney and people love the starry valley animal crossing uh type of game there's a lot of overlap between those was different fan groups. So I feel like putting it together and like making the game good, you're saying that it's clear the dev team cares and understands the genre. Like, hey,

sounds like they have a slam dunk on their hands. So we'll have to stay tuned for the full release. We'll get an update from Joe in 2023. But before we do that, I'm going to tell you about a word from our sponsors. And when we come back from that, we got a whole bunch of fun review, spoiler-free, and then a full spoiler cast of immortality.

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That's right, ladies and gentlemen, if you missed the first half, which I hope we stressed because we haven't recorded that yet, and I'm not sure. This is going to be both your spoiler-free review for Immortality, Sam Barlow's new game, and then a mini-spoiler cast, where we finally get to talk to somebody about all the fucking weird-ass shit we just saw. So, if you haven't played immortality yet, stick around here why you should probably, and then, of course, if you haven't played it, turn it off, and come back to it later when we get there. But don't worry for the first part. No spoiler. All right, no spoilers to start with.

Of course, Immortality, the brand new game, like I said, from Half Mermaid. If you're not familiar with that studio, think of Sam Barlow, the guy who made her story in 2015 and telling lies in 2019. This is a FMV video. We just go through, we scrub through a bunch of collections of old tapes from old movies, some of which were never released, wink, wink, to try to figure out what happened to a woman named Marissa. Blessing, Eddie O.8, Jr. You were the first person from kind of funny to get to play this because of I was on vacation, even though I was on vacation. I was looking forward to this one, and I'm really pissed off that I did not remember to put it into my fantasy critic. I thought I had, and then I did not.

So it sucks all around, but it doesn't matter. Blessing, what is your spoiler-free review of Amortown? It's fantastic. You know, if you've played her story, if you play telling lies, you've already gotten a hint of what kind of game this is, right? It's in the same vein where it is you sifting through a database of clips based off of, based off of keywords, essentially, right? We're in her story and in telling lies, you're basically searching through the database based on captions and figuring out, like, all right, what keywords are the keywords that I want to look for that are in the other clips so I can piece together this story that is scattered throughout these different small clips of videos. This game is similar to that where instead of captions, though, you're working off of imagery in the game. So at any point in any frame, or in any video, you can pause and frame by frame and go, all right, what is a subject in this frame that might take me?

me to a different video that I want to go to. And you can click on a face, you can click on an object, any major face or object. And basically what happens is you go from your clip into another clip that shares that same subject. So if I'm playing and I see like, if Greg Miller's in the game, I see Greg Miller's face, I click Greg Miller's face in a clip that I'm watching, and I jump into another random clip that has Greg Miller's face in it. And so with that, you're piecing together this story of, again, Marissa Marcell, who is this actress who disappeared for a while. And you're going in with the mind-frey. of all right let's figure out what happened in marcia marcel by watching all these different uh takes

these movie takes and also these outtakes from her time working on these three different films that never saw the light a day uh and so it's a pretty fun like it's a pretty fun premise because the game contextualizes it as oh yeah sam barlow and the team have given you the software to put together this thing and figure it out and it feels like this breaking the fourth wall of oh it's reality like you're playing this video editor um the more you play it though the more things start to open up And the more like, the more you start to piece together bits of like, maybe like four to five different narratives that are going on between all at once, all at once, right? Between these different films that are taking place, but then also what's going on with Mercer Marcel as a human being and as an actress. It's really fascinating.

I'm very excited to talk to you guys when we get into like deeper spoilers because the tricky thing about reviewing this game is you can't really talk about the things that make this game wild slash incredible without diving into deeper details. But from a broad spectrum, I love it for the writing. I love it for the performances. I think the actors do a great job, especially the actors that play. The actress that plays Mercer-Marcel, I think absolutely kills it. But the whole cast, I think, does a really good job. Monon-Gage is her name. What was it, Non-Gage?

Manon. M-A-N-O-N. Yeah, she is incredible. And we'll get three reasons that is soon. A big reason is because she's playing a bunch of different roles at the same time. Unless you put up a TikTok for this. You gave it a five out of five. Correct? I gave it a five out of five. It is an amazing video name.

Rebecca Valentine, I am a big fan of yours and have been for quite some time. Some would say, I found you. Diamond in the Rough. And that's how you got tied to you. I don't know who's saying it, but I say it. I saw you tweet over the weekend. Thank you, thank you much. When I was playing this and assembling the games cast, I saw you tweet about how much you were into it. I think even going as far as say it's going to be hard to beat for a narrative, right, for Game of the Year. Is that correct? Do you give it a five out of five? Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I, I find it very difficult to go into game of the year discussions this year. in any capacity because I was so convinced that Eldon Ring would take it away for me, like, very easily. And this is just like, I, I, this is broken my brain. It's so good.

But the two of them are not even competing in the same contest. Like, like, it's two, they are two completely different things. So it feels illegal to try to compare the two in the same game of the year discussion because they're not remotely the same thing. Yeah, I agree with basically everything Blessing just said. wow. The acting is incredible throughout. I think the thing that is like so amazing is that Sam Barlow and crew have effectively, they have made three full length short films here. Like, start to finish. And they are, it takes place over a lot like a 30 year span. So the first two films kind of take place back to back and then 30 years later, the third one appears. And you very

much, they did a really good job. I mean, I'm not a film expert, but they did a a really good job of sort of recreating the period elements of film and each of the three, everything from like aspect ratio to like what kinds of effects they would have access to. And that's that's really fascinating to sort of scrub through these different clips and feel. There are moments and especially the first one, which is based on a late 1700s Gothic novel that I read in college, which is absolutely a weird thing that I never thought would come up again. It's really fascinating to jump into that one and actually feel for a moment like, oh, I'm watching this really old movie. This is so weird. Oh, wait, it's not actually an old movie,

but it's all interspersed with like documentary footage and random clips that they just did behind the scenes themselves. Interviews or like the camera kept rolling. Yeah, yeah. It feels very real. They did such a good job of making this feel very much like a giant set of found footage. Was there any point while you guys were playing where you're like, was this a real story? I didn't like, you look, because I for me in the first 10 minutes of playing, I was like, all right, I think this is fake. But the way in which they're presenting, it and like getting into some of the performances. It is the thing of every single clip

that you're seeing in the game is like a found footage or like an actual movie take. Like most of his actual movie takes. And so it starts off with somebody on screen doing the front slate, somebody yelling action and then the scene taking place and then somebody yelling cut. And a lot of times, right? Like right before the video cuts, it is them

in their natural selves. And those transitions are so seamless and so good that it got me. I was like, is this real? Because this feels real. Yeah. There was this one moment where they had like a little bit of footage from before the scene started and there was a naked body and like three people were staring at it to start the scene and they were all kind of like giggling about seeing this person naked and then they said action and everyone just immediately went

stone face because they're looking in a dead body and it was just such a very acting moment like yeah I don't think I ever had a moment where I thought oh is this actually real but I played it with Imran at the same time and we were definitely having a lot of conversations about what what levels of real are we talking about here? What bits of this are we supposed to construe is real? And that was such a fun time. Yeah. Well, that's the funny thing of going and playing it, right,

and trying to piece together the story of what happened to her is that, yes, obviously it's the final footage in the interviews. But for me, when I started into it, like, early on, you know, just the beginning of my playthrough, I'm going through and matching the, you know, getting the footage. And it's not so much, I'd be watching the story parts. It'd be like, all right, we'll get to the before and after. You know, get to what happens before and what happens to the end

because I'm trying to find out what happened to her. And then it's later on when it's like, oh, there's more going on with the stories that they're trying to tell in these movies that then relate to what's actually happening to her and where she is. Okay, I see. If I had to re contextualize a bunch of different times as we'll get into in spoilers,

what was going on for the game. Yeah, and it just oozes with like symbolism and metaphor too, like especially with the cut technique where you're like grabbing the, zooming in on an object and then jumping to another scene in one of the three films, it forces you to do, literary criticism things like consider symbols and consider what they mean in the context of

three different films plus the overarching meta narrative. I mean, yeah. To that point, right? This is both like funny but also serious where I would talk to, I mentioned to Greg and other friends about how I would do like booby super cuts where like I was like, all right, I'm just going to click on tities for the next five minutes and see where all these clips take me. And that part of that is like, oh yeah, I'm having fun. I'm doing a bit.

but also, like, sex plays a very big part of one of the overall themes of the game slash all these films, right? Like, all of the films that she's, that Marissa Marcell is playing a role in, like, there are either heavy sex scenes or, like, depictions of, like, sexuality in certain ways are important to the films. And so I'm like, all right, cool, let's see all the nudity. Because all the nudity, like, the more I click on tides, the more I'm going to get more of this aspect of the game. And that feeds back into things like crosses as well, where I saw, there was one character that has, like, a cross-like. like an item and I was like cool I'm just gonna keep on clicking that so I can like see where all these like religious imagery might link together and so yeah like you're looking at it all I started contextualizing it through taking film class back in college because there was a

time where there were a couple classes I took one of the first ones was Hitchcock and so us making our way through all the Hitchcock films and actually grew to really enjoy Hitchcock films after a while taking that class but like there are certain things in terms of like the tone the the I guess overall vibe of the films and maybe it is like the all-tour thing of oh yeah these films belong to this guy right it is his vision he's like trying to he's trying to say something with it and they can feel the films can feel

hitchcockian sometimes in ways that I think a really work in ways that I think really work for me but also kind of go back to oh yeah what are they saying like what are the deeper elements of what they're trying to convey in this films and the way that these films link together that feels very film classy yeah and I think that's the big takeaway from it right

is like you know to Reb's point of like this and Eldon Ring aren't even playing in the same category, let alone the same game or the same stadium, right, when you talk about it, is like what the expectations for you as a player slash viewer are in this and where you're going with it, right? I am a huge San Barlow fan. I loved her story.

I love telling lies. And for this one, full stop, I love immortality. Like, it's, I love a game that you finish and it's like, credits roll and then immediately back into it. Wait, I need to know more. I love the fact that when we get,

me and Bless still haven't talked, talk. There was a few texts over the weekend of me being like, is it? But like it wasn't, we haven't had the conversations around it or whatever. I love it being a discussion point. For me with a review score on it, right, I give it a four out of five. I think it's great, not amazing. And that even saying it doesn't sound right because it's an amazing game, but the problem I have with it when I want to go through and talk about it as a player

rather than a viewer, rather than a consumer, I guess, just to put us all in the same category, is that I enjoyed the detective work of her story and telling lies more than I would say the guesswork is an insult, the nebulous nature of this one, of immortality. Because in this one, it's like, for me in particular, and this isn't a spoiler, it's actually the very front of the game when you started. And then some of the footage you just saw is them doing like screen tests on a stool, right? And so when I unlocked one of the actresses screen tests, it was the first one of the, when I got there. And I was like, oh my God, yes, this is going to be such a big point because now she leaves the frame and it's just the stool, which is the start screen of the game. So now I'm

going to click on the stool and I'm going to see something from Marissa and I clicked on the stool and it just took me to a random chair and another, you know, the movie 30 years later or whatever. And it was that thing like, okay, that wasn't as rewarding to me as when it was playing telling lies and somebody said a word and I followed up on that or her story going into the complete database and putting in a name. and then finding something. And I felt like that's how this game exists and operates, not as a negative.

Like I'm talking about just my own preference for it, but in the way it is like you're on a journey here. And even though you're using your discovery and you're clicking on, you know, the prop gun or you're clicking on, you know, the vase or the character, right?

Even the fact that you can click on the actor's face over and over again in the same scene and the same moment and get taken to different places is cool, but it's kind of got this like quantum leap vibe to it. But I wish I had a little bit more, umphan a more i could drive what i was trying to get to i'm trying to get to this answer and it was at times is off putting that i didn't get there i how do i this is not a counter to your experience please i want to hear your experience i because i think because i think you're right i how do i say this without okay insult me reb shit on me i love it no no no no it's spoiler i'm a point spoilers i'm

i'm talking about spoilers i i this is something i suspect i do not know if it is true uh i got the impression. So my, I've not played telling Lyser horse her story, but I got the impression from both of those that pretty, you can access pretty much anything throughout the entire game if you know the right thing to look for. Right. I think immortality might have some sort of gated algorithm in it. I think there are scenes that like, so Marissa, like if I click on Marissa, there's, you know, a pool of scenes, pretty much every scene includes her. But, you know, there's a pool of scenes that can draw from.

and it'll throw me a random one or whatever. But I suspect that there are some scenes that are gated, that it will not show me unless I have seen others or discovered certain things. I do not know if that is true. But I did definitely run into sort of the problem that I think you're describing, which is that there was like an hour of gameplay

where I knew, I had like two specific questions that I knew I had to answer it. I felt like I was on the cusp of answering them. And I thought I knew what I was looking for. And so I was scrubbing through clips of like the same person or the same item over and over trying to find it. And those were coming up with nothing. And that's because that's not where the answer was,

even though intuitively it felt like it should have been. And I'm a live chat, Cameron Kennedy, who's watching on Patreon says, I agree with that part. It was annoying trying to get to things logically, but not being able to. Yeah. And I think the answer ended up being,

again, I'm guessing, because I can't see the interworkings of this game. Of course. And if the answer ended up being that it was there, I just hadn't seen some other specific clue. And I had to come about, I had to come to it in a roundabout manner. And I think,

I think in the end, that experience did work for me in terms of the order in which I uncovered things. Like I think I had a good complete experience. But your experience lines up with something that I've heard other people say too, where if you, you can get in a rut, I guess. Oh, and I feel that too, right? Like, it's been interesting seeing people put out their different playtimes to the game where I was, during the review embargo, people, there were quite a few people that are

like, oh, yeah, I beat this in four to five hours. And I'm sitting there like, dude, I am nine hours in. How in the world did you roll credits? It's like I have so much of these films unlocked here. And it would be the thing of me, kind of understanding where I need to go so much of you guys of, okay, well, if I click on this thing, like this tape recorder, I'm sure it'll take me to the climax of this movie and I click it.

And I'm like, okay, no, it took me somewhere else that isn't as important as what I, what I need in this moment. Or even more so, you know, there are certain character faces that like, there's a certain character in the first movie where I was like, oh, all right, this guy's important. Let me like, I'm going to keep clicking on his face to see like, all the things because he's going to be key. And like, it took me to three clips and I was like,

are these just the three clips that have this guy? Like, is there, is there no more? And that felt like such a vital thing. And I couldn't tell if that was by design of, no, it really is only three clips with this guy or the algorithm just isn't taking me to the clip I need to go. I think for me that, in terms of the actual like, quote unquote, gameplay of the game, that would be one of my few critiques with it. Yeah.

I also will say I play it on Xbox. And I think everybody should play with a controller. If you're on Xbox or PC, we can talk more. about this in the spoiler cast, but please, please, please, please play with the controller. Oh, that's a great question. I don't even know how they would do that. There's a vibration function. So I played on Steam deck, some of it on Steam.

I played most of it on controller, but like when I was playing on my Steam deck, the vibration on Steam deck isn't as hard as the vibration on controller. And there were moments where I was like, why the, well, I'm just going to play this on controller instead because I'm missing out on like some of the, like, some of the mechanics, basically. Yeah. Is there a setting for really quick for Steam Deck users? is there a setting where you can turn vibration up at all? I didn't see it in the game itself. I don't know if it's like maybe on the actual system there might be a setting, but I haven't.

That's for those who want to play it in and it'll possibly, you know. In the chat, David Goldstein says that if you're playing on PC, it makes a, the sound makes a rumble. So you could hear it like that way. Oh, interesting. If you want to know what a fucking stupid idiot I am, because some of the rumbles go on a while. Early on in the game, when I, like,

in my time with the first hour probably of playing, like there was one section where it was just rumbling like the entire scene. And I was like, goddamn, rumbles broken. of this game. Well, see, so that's the thing. I will say on the Xbox version, even though that is absolutely the best way, the controller's the best way to play,

the Xbox version, it did have some technical blips. There were times where it would just rumble through the whole scene and that, there was no reason for it. Like, it was genuinely no reason for it. I checked many times. Or like, it crashed a few times for me.

It was never an actual impediment to progress because it auto saves pretty well. But, you know, it was like mildly annoying. There's some weird technical blips in it here and there. Yeah, the rumble stuff. is interesting and we'll talk I guess we'll talk about more it's boys but there's like when I was when I was scroll through the the clips just like looking through the database there will be times where like I get to certain clips and it starts rumbling and my controller starts rumbling and I'm like

does this mean anything and I'm like and I click away and I click back and the rumble's not there and I'm like oh it's just inconsistent and I just chalked that up to being maybe part of the world building here like you don't know what might be a meaningful rumble versus a not meaning meaningful rumble but yeah in terms of like bugs there's only one I got which is my UI for my entry through the database screen would stick after a while to my UI when I'm actually scrubbing through the scenes themselves. Yeah, the footage. So I'll click into a footage and I'll still see the, I'll see the dialogue, or not the dialogue, the button prompts at the bottom right on the screen. And I'm like, wait, no, that's not right.

And then I realized that it's from the other thing. And that stick on my game for, like, most instances. Like, I closed the game, open back up, but it was still there. And it wasn't until I beat the game to where it was gone. And then I was like, oh, what if that's part of like the fourth wall, like weird shit going on? but I don't know. That was like the one weird thing. Yeah.

Okay, well, it's about time for spoilers, but before we do, just to close it out, we all love the game. It's getting rave reviews everywhere. Reb, what's your elevator pitch for why people should play it? I will first really quick just say,

you should not play this. There's big, like, look through the content warnings before you play this. A lot of sex, a lot of nudity, sexual assault. Like, there's a lot in here.

And if you are uncomfortable with any of that, like, don't touch it because there's a lot. Apart from that, I don't think I have ever played any game that has justified being, the story it's telling being a video game as much as this has. The interaction that you have with what's going on and the way it plays with the idea of the player and the audience and the artist and the creator, I've never seen anything like that.

And if you're really into weird meta stuff or thinking about games as an art form beyond just, oh, games are pretty and should be art, this is it. You should just do it. Bless. Yeah, I think bouncing off of what Reb just said, right? Like, I think the gameplay of this game is actually really addicting. You know, I think a lot of people will look at this game and at first blush go.

Oh, it's FMV. Oh, you're really going to talk about it in game of your discussions. Like, oh, you know, you're just watching stuff. But no, I, this is one of the most addicting video game experiences I've played all year. And that is chalked up to how good it plays as an activity, right? as this detective thing, as a puzzle that you're trying to solve and collect all the clips and figure it out, like, how to game the system and link to all the clips of titties or whatever it is. Like, you're trying to, like, search for the moment and try the answer you're trying

to get, right? I think the actual gameplay is good, right? I've had it where for games I've played even recently, like, one of my complaints where we are, we are OFK is that I felt like there was like zero gameplay in that game. Like, you're making the choices and the choices don't matter. And so I'm like, okay, well, I don't feel as, I don't feel the overall ownership and what I'm doing. This is a game that has entire ownership, right? This is a video game as video game, but it's it's FMV and its film and it's something that's really cool and really unique. And for me, this is while also being one of the most addicting video games I played, also one of the freshest. And that is even though it is coming off of both her story and telling lies, I think this game does enough to make itself stand alone, stand differently.

And I think there's so much amount of quality in the actual narrative and symbolism and acting and performances that goes into this. thing and it's unlike anything else I've ever played and so for me this game is going to be in my top five conversation we'll see at the end of the year how everything lays out but I think it is a must play as a video game yeah I echo everything you both have said and then just add in that it's just it's so fucking weird and like in such a great way in such a way like to what rev's point is I think that you know only games something like this could do and the fact that it is such an immersive thing of us being I don't this is always the I guess the thing it feels like especially this was the big thing about her story and if you remember the very last frame of her story right uh it's such

an immersive thing of making you part of it when you should feel so disconnected from it when you are just sitting there watching footage it should feel like the most similar to what we're talking about with ofk uh you're just like okay i have no skin in this game i have no stakes in this game it's not about me and the way this game of going through and trying to find out what happened to marissa makes you a key component of it is insane and how good it is and then if you're like me and love storytelling in games This is such a unique way to do it, has so many different questions, so many different threads. Like, you got to go play it. And as we haven't really, you said at the time, kind of in one of the passing things of, it's on PC right now and it's on Xbox, including Xbox Game Pass.

So if you have the best deal in gaming, you should go get it there. But enough of that, that was your chance, ladies gentlemen. We love immortality. You should play it. And then you should come back and listen to the spoiler cast. It's starting in three, two, one, Rebecca Valentine. What the fuck? What the fuck do you think is happening in this game, Red?

Well, I, okay, so I feel, a lot, a thing a lot of people have said about immortality is it's a game that you can, there's, there's an ending. The credits roll, but there's also, it ends when you were satisfied with what you know. And I did not unlock every single clip, but I actually feel like I have a pretty good grasp start to finish of what just happened. Okay.

Here's this, so that's a great place to start, because again, I was on vacation when we got codes. family vacation. I came back and played and I want to make sure we're here. I've rolled credits and then I've come back and played more and found more and I'm according to Xbox achievements. It'll tell you you know how far you are for each one of them. So for unlocking all the footage for all the movies, I am, I think the farthest one in is Ambrosia with like 73% and then the other two are right around 60. Oh, oh, this will be fun. Okay. So and I have so many questions. Greg. Greg. So have you encountered the one? Of course. And the other one. Yeah. And the other

one. Yeah. So what we're talking about is there, as you play through, uh, the, the rumble that we were discussing in the no spoiler cast, it will start to rumble. There might be this more creepy tone. Uh, and when that happens, you can rewind and a couple of different things will happen. Sometimes it'll just drop you into a whole other scene with this couple of really creepy people saying and doing real creepy things.

And sometimes there'll be like this overlay, like this kind of like weird, great out overlay of one of the creepy people kind of like turning around or seeming to say something. Greg, did you discover both of these mechanics? Oh yeah. Yes, yes, yes. Okay. So you found the slow, like the way you have to kind of modulate the speed to unlock the extra scenes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Specifically Amy's, right? That was the one that's like the most part of it. Yeah. So I didn't know. I couldn't figure that out until yesterday after you had already asked me to be on this. Like I knew there was something else.

Like it already beaten the game. I knew there was something else. And I started messing. Like I was in a scene that was trying to get it to do something. and I was like rewinding back to try to get a good look at something. And I started like flipping back and forth really quick. And suddenly the image got really clear. And it just broke my brain.

And suddenly I had access to about a gazillion more scenes because I didn't have before. I solved like 20 more mysteries. Sorry, I'm just like jump. I don't, I'm not even. Please do. No, that was it because that's the thing. And so I know I'm very similar where I think it's last night.

I got the tap, tap, tap. And that's how I got into other stuff. And I was like, oh, okay. So I haven't gone. I still have a bunch of the interview segments or whatever, where she's, for me, it was just, you know, the footage on top of footage. And I saw her talking or dancing or whatever. And I haven't gone back to be able to clarify those yet.

So there's still stuff for me out there. And so I'm left with the question. And you know the story started to finish, you think then, you think. So what's the deal? Like it's, it's, she's Eve. He's the devil. Oh. Early on, my.

I'm so curious. Okay. Early on when I was talking, blessing, when it first happened, when I thought there was just the one woman, I was like, she's a demon and then I was like wait are they inspiration are they muses and is that how it's going on but then for sure muses but it goes back further than that but how okay so then you would know this from the thing because I don't know this from the thing so when they're a muse how are they how are they I mean they're immortal sure but how do they how does marissa never age was marissa ever a person

and they took control of her because when you find out about amy amy got taking control of watching the other one die right yeah and that really fucking I watched him die on screen and I was reborn like Jesus fucking fucking Christ. Yeah. Fucking cool. Like when I was right before the show, I was mentioning about like, you know, if we do a moment of the year category for Game of the Year, like this game is going to have moments of the year in it.

And I think that's one of the ones for me where that like that might be a video game moment of the year where you get into that screen. And she's sitting there and like, because that was one of the late discoveries for me. I had figured out the like the subversion and like the weird like layered shit going on with the films pretty early on. And so like probably like what after maybe three or four hours. And so most of my game. time has been me discovering new clips and then like as I'm discovering them rewinding and rewatching the clips and like seeing the different different versions of them but I forgot where I was going with that I was like I got so excited I

forgot my point okay I was going never mind a moment of the year where you're talking about the rewinds of the moments of the year that we want to the year the it'll come back around it'll come back around I watched the eye screen and I was reborn oh yes okay so like I played so much of the game um without like getting to that scene because I found that scene later on but I had watched quite a bit of two of everything, which is the third movie in the trio. And all these movies,

I'm like, fuck, I want to watch that. I hope they eventually just put them out as real movies somehow. Yeah, like, they're pretty good. But I'd seen her face a lot, and I didn't put it together that she was the other one until that scene where it was her sitting in the theater. And I was like, fuck, there's, like, she, he is in, or the other one is in other movies.

And then that's when I went back to Ambrosio. And it was that thing I was talking about earlier, Reb, of like, him being the guy who's playing the devil in Ambrosio, And me being like, wait, what the fuck? And then like clicking, trying to find him in more. And it seems like he's not in that much of Ambrosio. But he's like populating more and more as like the time goes. Crazy shit.

So my understanding of them is that they are these immortal beings. There's a monologue that the one has at one point where she talks about the conflict between law and art. And my understanding is that she represents art, like the creative. And the other guy represents law. And law, like, hates humanity and doesn't want anything to do with them. And she loves humanity and wants to, like, elevate them by becoming a muse. And she's done this throughout history. There's actually some clips you can find where you can see some of her past selves prior to the events of these three films.

You can see, like, some people that she controlled for a while. And there's a clip you can find. Marissa was a woman who lived around the time of World War II. She had some really shitty things happened to her. And the one basically found her dying in a barn. and basically said, hey, you want to live? And she's like, yeah. And consumed her and took her form.

And then, you know, eventually like discovered movies and was like, oh, this is exactly how I can do what I want to do. And so she tried to manipulate the first director, Arthur. What's his name? The director of Ambrosio. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She tried to like manipulate him and get him to like, you know, try to become his muse.

But that didn't quite work out. But then she found John in Minsky. and it worked out very, very well until the other one showed up to try to foil her plans to, like, elevate humanity by taking over Carl. Carl, Carl, the guy who died. And so they kind of had,

there's like this really cool scene where she realizes that Carl, or that Carl is housing the other one and basically like lose, that's when their chemistry on screen breaks. Is that when they sit next to show on the couch? Because I love that scene. The one where John and Carl kiss. Oh.

is the one where she's like, whoa. Okay, because for me, there's that, hold on, I just want to say, there's that amazing scene between Marissa and Carl, right, where they're sitting on the couch and he's got the makeup on. And it's in movie, the, maybe I can turn off that. The detective is your first name, I'm really this. I don't have to do it. You can do that.

But right before that, there's the whole, like, work with me. Will you, like, work with me on this? And it's like, oh, man, it's. That's right after she's figured it out. Yeah. Yeah. I'm putting this together in real time because I didn't understand that scene because I got it early on.

And now that we're re-bringing up, I'm like, oh, that makes so much sense. My question was going to be like, when did the other one take over Carl? Like, was that the whole thing? Or was it the scene where they kissed? So he takes over Carl. I'm not sure. I'm not clear as to whether he takes over Carl in that moment or if he had always taken over Carl and that was the moment where he showed himself because I'll point it out later,

but there's actually another moment later where he's in Amy and you can clearly tell that she's recognizing, oh, you're in Amy now. And then after that point, she can see him in Amy, but not before that point. But anyway, so that happens. She basically, she's controlling Marissa. So she forces Marissa to kill the other one. And she has another monologue at a different point where the one explains that you can't really kill their kind except by burning them. And so she shoots Carl, but that doesn't kill the other one.

So there's implication in some of her lines that Marissa has the body, or sorry, no, not Marissa. So she, after what happens to Carl, Marissa, like, freaks out the person because she just killed a man and doesn't know how it happened. So time out, that's part of my question then. So they're both inhabiting at the same time. And then obviously I know that like when you do the rewind, I see, of course, the muse or whatever. I'm the car of the muse. We see her the other one, the other. We see her on top with the gun.

We see the conversation between her and the other one. Like I get that. But so they are existing at the same time and Marissa knows what's going on or doesn't know what's going on. That's where I was like confused of like what's happening. I don't know if it's clear that Marissa the person understands what's happening. But she like she clearly knows something messed up is going on. And then so, so she shoots Carl, sure, she forces Marissa to shoot Carl and then later has Carl cremated so that the other one cannot come back. And then the one is done with Marissa.

And you see this scene where she consumes John, the director. She like kind of like, he's on, he's got, it's the one where he's on the bed, right, bound to it. And they have the whole conversation about like, you weren't who I thought you were. And don't know. Wait, what's? I never got this scene. What the fuck? Oh, yeah.

So, okay. So, so the one real, this is before she kills Carl. The one realizes that the other one is in Carl. She and John are like, you know, doing it, having a lovely time. And there's, in, in film or off film? I think they're rehearsing for film. They're rehearsing. Okay.

Or maybe they're on camera, obviously, but I can't. It's rehearsal and then it's a rewind backwards where we see them. Yeah. But they're basically, they're having this sex scene. And then the one reveals herself to John and is like, hey, actually, I'm an immortal demon. basically. And John is like, that's not cool. What the heck? And the one is like, oh, I thought, this isn't going the way I thought it was. She says that. Yeah, I'm your news, whatever. And he, he isn't happy with what is going on. And so she ends up, like, biting into his neck and

devouring him. And at that point, she is in control of both Barissa and John. I definitely saw some of the aftermath. I remember seeing, like, John laid on the floor bloody and also Carl, bloody. But that might have been just like one of those reverse like, oh yeah, I'm showing you the afternoon. Where you can see both of them like torn up. It's really freaky. But so so she lets Marissa go. Marissa's like horribly traumatized. And that's when Marissa disappears for 30 years. She becomes a recluse. And so at that point, the one is inhabiting John. There's a talk show segment where you can see her inhabiting John. John is married to Amy, who's the woman who watches it in the theater. And at some point, while they are together, Minski has never released.

but John apparently gives the clips to Amy and lets her watch them like in a private showing in a theater. And at the moment at the end where the other one is shot, the other one, she sees that and then the other one possesses her. And this is a new finding. This is not something the one of the other one knew that they could do. The one thought that she had permanently killed the other one by burning Carl's body. What she didn't know is that he could come back through film and inhabit Amy.

So John goes off, the one as John goes off to have a glorious career as a filmmaker for like 30 years. They start, he starts working with Amy on, uh, what will eventually become two of everything, but it's not going well. Like something's just not working. And so the one decides, I need Marissa back. So they bring Marissa back to be in it. And at that point, she's controlling both Marissa and John at the same time.

Uh, two of everything goes for a while. And it gradually starts to deteriorate because the one realizes that they are deeply struggling to control both bodies at the same time. And you can kind of see there's like some scenes toward the end of two and of every of everything where John is like fainting randomly or Marissa has like blood coming out of her nose or like like like things are just not working and so things just start falling apart. There's a lot of like monologues that the one explains as to why they're getting really sick of doing this. They're like really tired. Like, you know, immortality is exhausting.

All these different reasons for their motivations. But eventually the one has had enough. And they, they, there's a scene where they reconnect with the other one where they look at each like Marissa looks at Amy and they look at each other and they realize, oh, wait, you're there. okay, they reconnect and that is ultimately why the other one kills the one. It's at the one's request burns their body so that they can't come back, but they can

come back in a new elevated form. And it's us. And it's us. And there you go. That's the, that's the plot. What a fucking game. What's a fucking story. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, did you guys catch the part about the one talking about essentially being Jesus on the cross? Oh yeah. Because like the whole, yeah, the whole thing being like, oh yeah, like I want to tell the greatest

story, right? I want to elevate humanity by telling an incredible story. And she starts describing, like, being killed on the cross and then being behind the boulder, and then, like, being dead for three days, and then coming back. And like, yeah, they said that I ascended, but really, like, really, I was just here. I was like, dude, this is fucking incredible.

Like, they, they've crafted this entire tale that spans throughout history that, like, reconnects into them discovering film and now, like, being able to use this to then have that layer of, oh, yeah, through film, we can be immortal. Like, film is the, is the path through immortality. A new type of immortality that's better than what they had before.

Yeah. Incredible. You know what I mean? Great job, Red. What order did you guys play the game in? Because for me, I started off with, well, I started off with one of the talk show ones where it's Marissa talking to the talk show host and like him asking her about like, oh yeah, you look young. Like, oh, yeah. Like, you know, there are so many different actresses considered like you got the part, like yada, yada, yada.

And then immediately I went into Minsky and got super into Minsky. And then like from Minsky, I hopped into Ambrosio. And right now for Minsky and Mbrosey, I have a lot of clips unlocked. Two of everything, I'm missing. Oh, wow. Probably like, probably like a third, I imagine. Like compared to everything else, I'm missing a lot of two of everything. But Minsky and Mbroseo, I dove deep.

See, I, maybe I misspoke early. I think it's, no, no, no. It's Ambrosio that I'm missing a lot of. Because Minsky and two of everything for some reason came easier. for me, I don't know why. And then two of everything, I was actually really into what the story they were doing of this whole like, you know, she's, you know, fills in for her here and then this leads to that. And then she can't swim. And I was like, oh, fuck, all right. I see where we're going. This is dynamite. You know what I mean? Like, I was having a fun time with that one. But I really, honestly, I was so, I just went with wherever the clip took me. Same. Whatever I jumped to the next thing is what I was doing. I wasn't trying to put together certain things. It wasn't until the end now that after credits where I'm like, fuck, I'm missing this scene. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I want to know. Like, I want to know. I want to know. Like, I want to know. what's her name? The Italian actress who's Marissa's co-star in Ambrosio.

I don't understand. I still haven't pieced it together. And you can just tell me, Reb, since you're so much smarter than me. Why is she crying in the church during the monologue? There's a monologue from the pulpit, but it's a one shot of her. And she starts crying, and the director's like, oh, fuck, she's crying. And I'm like, I'm clicking on tears. I'm clicking on eyeballs. And I can't figure out what the fuck's going on. I think that's less of a deeper point and more just like a character thing.

she describes herself in one of the clips as being like a very good little Catholic girl. And I got the impression throughout that film that like that speech specifically was, I mean, as a good little Catholic girl myself formerly, I definitely got the impression of like, oh, I'm in this movie with like tons of sex in it. And have I betrayed my values? That was what I got out of that. Like I don't know if it was, it was just like a person having a real human moment. Okay.

In reaction to a speech. I don't know if there was something deeper than that there. I thought I missed it. seen where something bad had happened to her that put her onto this emotional spectrum that she was like loses it because of what he was saying and I couldn't figure it out. No, I don't think, but I could be wrong. I mean, I haven't seen, I've seen like 95% of all three films, but I'm still missing at least a couple clips of each.

Yeah, I could probably tell you like the most of the story of Imbrosio from front to back, most of the story of Minsky from front to back. But for two of everything, there's still quite a few gaps, right? Like I understand the broad premise of it, right? It being like this, I was going to say Freaky Friday. It's not Freaky Friday. Parent trap. Parent trap situation, yeah.

Like, oh, yeah, two of you guys are, or, the- or Dave, if you want a more modern adult version. Dave. Remember Dave, Sigourney Weaver and Kevin Klein? Oh, I was thinking of, like. President has, like, brain aneurysm, whatever, so they get the guy who looks like President is standing in for him. I was thinking the Little Dickie show on FX.

Oh, yeah, that also, that, no, this is a different idea of a plot, but yes, yes, yes. Exactly. Everything is especially difficult to mentally piece together because it is also extremely, like, all over the, like, like, there's multiple revelations as to who, which Maria is which. But I love that. I love more when you're watching and I'm trying to figure out what's going on. You're like, wait, so Maria died? No.

Heather. Heather died? No. Did Maria? No. Wait, who? Which died? What?

That was messing me up so hard. Whereas Minsky, I was in it from the beginning. Like, I think I started off with the perfect clip of Minsky because the first clip I got was the detective character, right? Carl is detective walking into the room and like first coming across Marissa's character and being like, all here is muse and doing all, like, giving her that preliminary interview. For me, that's based on the premise of the movie. And I was like, oh, I'm into this. All right, cool. Let's keep going. And the way I went about it, from probably like the first half of my

playthrough, I was more invested in the actual stories of the movies that I was the overarching thing. I was like, I don't know, man, this is tech of things is cool. So I started clicking on the faces of the people doing the front slates. The crew. Yeah, the crew, because they didn't keep people between those, between movies for the movie crew. And so like if I never, if I, I don't think they ever gave her name, but like the black girl, she was always doing the slates for Minsky, whereas, like, there was a specific dude who was always doing the slates for Ambrosio. So I just kept on focusing and on, on, on those guys, because I was really invested. And yeah, like, I'm very impressed by the writing of, like, obviously the overarching stuff is

fascinating and, like, cool and all this shit. The actual movies themselves, I'm like, dude, I would, I would watch this, dude. Like, Ambrosio seems like a fucking dope-ass movie. That seems like a romp, a sexual thriller. Yeah. Can I believe, okay, so I read, this is based off of a late 17th century Gothic novel called The Monk, which I read in college. I hated it. It was atrocious.

We read it in college. Like, it is famous because it was especially raunchy for the period. Like, I mean, it's a bunch of monks and nuns having sex. It's got like, you know, horrible depictions of sexual assault in it. It's really, really grim. But like, that's part of why we read it. We read it at a Catholic school. So I'm kind of, it's, I'm,

not sure how they got that one through. But yeah, like, I hated it. And I was watching the clips of Ambrosia and I was like, wait, do I know this story? And I started Googling the names. And it like broke my brain that this movie that I was extremely intrigued by was actually this book that I read in college and basically knew the whole plot of. So before I realized that we were going to basically see the entire movie front to back, I was sitting there explaining the plot of the mug to Imran.

And it's like, oh, never mind. I didn't need to do this. We're just going to see the whole thing anyway. It's so good. but then again like you know to the point of like what is going on and then to your uh we mentioned it obviously but the fact that the one right flips to john for the next two flicks right of like finding a kinder spirit there i like just the line when they're filming one of the sex scenes in ambrosia right and the director's like stop looking at the can into the camera and john who's director of photography's like i

like it's it's it's more moderate he's like fuck your modder they're having a bantery conversation about it, but then even to jump to Minsky, right, where the original guy who was cast as Minsky quits in a huff, right? He's like, you're not a director. You're just a pervert with a camera. I was like, damn, like, I love this narrative thread they're putting out through it. And there's this whole, like, this is

sort of me, like, uh, sort of putting it together and maybe not necessarily getting exactly right, but my understanding of sort of how, why Ambrosio got canceled is that it was, the the director says that it was his first movie that has like sex and nudity in it. And he

was maybe overcompetiting a little bit in some ways. And then there's a scene where John and Marissa have sex and they film it. And they're like, oh, we're just going to put this into the movie. Because John is dressed as Ambrosio, even though he's not playing Ambrosio. And he has like the hood up so you can't see it's actually him. And they're like, oh, we'll sneak it in. You know, Arthur won't know or whatever. And my sort of galaxy brain take on this is that he sat down and watched the clips,

saw that in there, saw all the other stuff he had done and been like, no, I can't ruin my career as a director by putting out something that's raunchy and didn't put it out. But then we find out later that the reason why, why, well, okay, so the reason why we have these clips anyway is because he at some point went to John and, who was his director of photography and brought all these clips and said, here are all the negatives of Ambrosio. I'm sorry that we never released this.

And so that's why we have all. That was one of the mysteries I had that I never figured out was why they didn't release Ambrosio. That's my guess. I don't know if it's ever stated, but that is my guess as to why they didn't release Ambrosio. One of the things I was trying to piece together too, and I think we might have gotten this answered after talking to you guys about like when Carl was taking over by the other one was like there was a scene where they're partying uh if the actors is the crew and you know Carl starts talking about like oh like he's probably slept with all this male talking to how many how many

of you done he's like 150 250 yeah like talking about how much people how many people he slept and then like there was like a passing comment of um something about him be uh being being gay right or sleeping with other men or something and he like kind of scoffed at it but like before that clip I had seen the clip of him making out with John. So I was like, wait, was he not out? Or is this like a different version? Like, is this before, or before Carl got taken over by the other one? That's something I'm still trying

to piece together of like why he scoffed it then, but then later he's making out with John Derek. Yeah, I'd have to look at that. I don't remember. Yeah, I don't remember. I didn't stand after me. How did your, how did like the pacing of you discovering this play out? Because for me, like, I did something very similar to you to where I, I spent like

several hours mostly just piecing together the movies. I didn't find the rewind mechanic for a while because I was just watching clips front to back and not worrying too much about it. The only time I was rewining was when there was an object earlier in the clip that I specifically had seen and been like, oh, I want to click on that. And that just happened to not coincide with that mechanic very much. And then, like, I felt the rumble a couple times and heard the sound and I was like, this is weird.

What is that? And I pointed it out to Imran a few times. And then finally, we discovered it by accident while we were rewining back to find an object. And then that was like one level of blowing the game open for us. And then so we got, we kept playing. We kept playing. we actually got to the ending where it's just like on fire and takes over the whole thing. We got to that because we found the clip of her talking about how only burning works.

And so we started clicking on all the candles we eventually got there. But then we didn't find the sort of speed modulating mechanic until like yesterday afternoon. Like I said, when I was just messing around with something. And so even though we had already seen the ending, it was weird. It was like a very cool Shakespearean stage production almost because we knew at that point pretty much the entire plot. We filled in a couple more scenes because we were able to get Amy's ending and like a couple other things, like questions answered. And then we were basically just watching a series of monologues by the one explaining what they had done. And it was like that moment in the theater

where like all the actors have left the stage and like the main character is just up there delivering a soliloquy about why they did the murders. And then it was over. And it was just, it was really weird and grim and powerful. I loved it. For me, I'm just like Cameron Kennedy right now in the chat who said, I had my notebook out taking notes of every single thing from the start. So I was looking at some clips super closely. But once I found the rewind mechanic, stopped taking notes my first night uh down here with it on the xbox it was the same thing where i was like i love telling lies for having the notebook i'm gonna do it and so i had the notebook and i branched and i was like controller down on the couch taking notes on what i was seeing and who characters were

and yada yada and it was like at the end of that where i finally did the rumble like i was rumbling all the time figured i was like oh shit and tears i'm just like you you just said reb whereas like literally last night i figured out the i googled and figured out oh i can do it with the d-pad and and that'll actually give me different. So I still haven't gone and seen all those monologues. All the monologues you're talking about from the one I saw behind footage. And I thought that was just, that was obviously my introduction to, oh, something else is going on here in the game.

But again, what I enjoy about the game, even though I wish in some ways it was a little bit more direct and it was a little bit more clear on what to do is the fact that even not knowing that functionality, I still got the story out of what was going on. And I still got credits and I still got taken over by the one. And I still had to, you know, I screenshotted a, as soon as she popped up full screen because I was fucking creeped out. I was like, this is scary.

I wasn't expecting this game to be a horror game, right? And I wasn't expecting to be a game that scared me, not just the characters it was dealing with the thing. Like, to your point of blowing it open and having levels, like, I'm actually very excited to find out that I can watch all those. Because I've seen the trophy, the achievement for it of like, you know, listen to all the monologues or see whatever. And I've like, you know, 14% or whatever from the ones I've been naturally able to rewind with the L2.

So the ability now to go. back in and do that is exciting, even though I wonder if I'll ever actually do it. I feel like now I have to move out of the next review. And it's like, well, I'm not as well for a YouTube compilation of it. Because again, I just have a bunch of clips now out here. And I'm like, which ones have it? Which ones don't? Which ones haven't I seen?

And again, back to my point of like, I love the game. I wish I had known all that beforehand, at least a little bit mechanically better than I now because it would have been more fun to have the story that way. And now I'm at this point where it's like, I need to go forward with my life, I feel like and not go and try to do it all over. again. But I hope somebody puts the movies together and I hope somebody does that monologues. Yeah, you gotta watch all like the subverted clips.

I'm sure. I wanted to so bad when I see her mouthing words. I was like, oh, fuck, I wonder what you're saying. And there's some where like, you know, you'll get the, I'm sure you've already seen the ones where it is. Like, it's not even the monologues. It's them recreating the scene. Like, yeah, yeah, totally. But maybe make it like a little bit more fucked up.

And then the music gets kind of eerie. And it's the perfect like, oh, fuck, what's going on on here kind of feeling. It takes me back to playing The Witness. If you ever played the witness where there's like a moment in the witness that you have where you realize that the puzzles that you're solving on the island aren't just the puzzles on the panels but like the island itself is a puzzle for me that was like a mind-blown moment of oh this game is not what I thought this game was there's an entirely different game here that I have to play and I had that exact same kind of satisfaction when I was it was it was probably a few hours in where I felt the controller rumble and I was like oh that's interesting and I wanted to rewind back to feel the rumble again because I figured it meant that like that moment in the scene must mean something And as I rewind, that's when I first saw it. And I was like, what the fuck? And I don't know how I figured it out, but like I figured out the D-pad thing.

Yeah. And like, you know, watched it. And I was like, dude, this is fucking crazy. It's fucking weird. And I like, I favorite that clip because I'm like, all right, this clip must be important. Like, there must be something about this clip and like the way that it is weird. And then I started noticing it everywhere. Every clip.

Yeah. Where I'm like, oh, every single clip has this. This is fucking crazy. And then I went back and watched the, the, what I call it? The interview ones, right? where it's her on the talk show or John on the talk show, uh, doing the interview.

Like, those are the ones that like really fucked me up. Cause those were the clips where I was like, I need to find more of these clips. And there's not, there's only the two of them seemingly. Um, but I was like,

where you're going back and forth. No. No, where he's, with the talk show with the same Johnny Carson. Yeah. Yeah. Um,

because I, I, I, I just like that in the talk show scene. I was like, I want to hear more about what the actors have to say about what's going on. Totally. Um,

and I found that subverse clips there. And I was like, this is fucking crazy and it keeps going and going where I was finding more of the dialogues it seems like or the more of the monologues I think there's quite a few repeated monologues because I swear to God I heard her I heard her talk about the same thing over and over at a certain point I think that's maybe because I found it early and they they kind of I imagine the team was trying to account for like if they find if they find out this mechanic late let's make sure that like they're getting all the things they need that they need to have the monologues and because I found it early I think I was just seeing the same shit over and over again. You definitely were. There's a set, the, the kind of gray scale footage of her in that, like, big dress or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. There's basically a set of, I think, like four or five of those

monologs that you can see from a bunch of different clips. But then there's also other things that are totally unique. But yeah, you've definitely heard and repeatedly. I know because those are the ones I was trying to find after I figured that out yesterday. And there was one specific one that I remember seeing multiple times where she just turns around and seems to like start to say a word and I wanted to know what she was going to say.

And I, it took me for, even though it's like everywhere, it took me forever to find that one. I'm currently going through the table reads because I remember one fucked up, one popping up. And I was like, what is going on in this fucking table read? And I can't figure out which one of the table reads it was to go through and do. But see, this is my thing is I don't want to do this again. I don't want a needle and haystack this like tonight. I'm going through every clip looking for like the thing.

It's probably fun. Here's my main. You want to know what my real ace up to sleeve is, bless is that I would rather not do it now. And then hopefully it comes a PlayStation one day and I go through for trophies there. Well, Greg, I mean, if you really just want to knock it out, now. So after I finished, finish, after I basically put the controller down and said, I have seen everything I need to see, I don't need to do this anymore.

I pulled up the subreddit to see what was going on there. And someone has made a beautiful grid of a list of every single clip in the entire game with like numbers and scenes. And then they have noted which ones have reverse footage on them. So if you're just like trying to find specifics things, see, I'm all in for that. I'm all in for a guy to do this until you are at the point that I was at where I put the controller down and said that is that I'm done.

Because I actually, the only thing that I did not pick up on from the scenes that I feel like I gleaned from like scrolling through there and seeing, oh, what was this? Was the bit about Marissa being in the barn in World War II? Like, that was a scene I did not see. I was like, oh, that's interesting. But then there's, there's, there's, like, links to YouTube. So you can find, there's compilations on YouTube of all the scenes. And I think you can probably like find timestamps or something and figure out like,

do you remember what this is titled? Because there's a long, I'm here. I would type and find it for you. but I have a mechanical keyboard and no one wants to listen to that. Nah, it's fine. We're going to end here at a second anyway. You can get it to. I will say, though, in the way that like, you know,

went about finding the subversus clips. I am slightly envious, though, of you, Rebecca. Because, like, I feel like the way I did it, you know, I was, I, for like, the most part of my playthrough, I would watch a new clip and then go back and then watch the subverse clip right after that. And it was a lot of me experiencing a lot of different aspects of the story at the same time and not being able to piece it together in a clean way.

Right. If I did it the way you did it where it is cool, I've seen all the regular clips and I kind of understand, I understand the flow of the story here and then I go watch all the fucked up shit. I feel like I'd have a better understanding of like the timeline and what's going on here. I spent so much time confused about who this lady is in the black and white. It is such a slow burn that way. And it was until like the very end where I was like, oh, she's controlling her. Like that's something I didn't gleam early on. I was like, I couldn't tell, I didn't realize that she was being controlled.

It was way more of a slower burn for me to find out all that stuff. Oh my gosh. There's this one scene. It's, I think, some of the table reads for two of everything when the one is controlling both John and Marissa. And the subverted footage is, uh, John is not there. Like, every, all the other actors are there. John is not there. Oh, that makes so much sense.

The one is doing the movements, like the actions for both Marissa and John. Like there's one where John gets up to grab a glass of water and then you get to the subverted footage. And the one is. dressed as Marissa, seated in Marissa's place, but then gets up and gets the glass of water like John does. It's so good. That's fucking crazy, dude.

The one's, the woman who plays the one, fantastic. That's my other case. They're all so good. Wow. She's so good. That's another, like, she better be nominated for something because you just describing that of her

playing both roles at the same time is impressive, let alone all the, like, the weird, eerie, like performance. Her taking, her doing the exact same scenes as Marissa and just making it so that you're just unsettled the entire time. Like, she does some fantastic stuff in performance in this game.

The, the final scene where she's burning and the subverted footage of her just like getting closer to the camera each time and her face is like, ah! I love to, I don't, you know, nothing in this game is by chance. I love that, you know, the little bit of, a little bit, the 13 years of Catholic school. But like, when the fire happens, right? And this is like, now, I remember when I got that scene and it was like, as this is all starting to come to it. I think it's when I texted bless her right away of like.

is she a demon or what but it's the pillar of fire like there's the fire but then there's a very specific pillar of fire which is always references so many biblical things i was like clearly that's her spirit i didn't know at the time that you know that's the only way to do it is kill him through that or whatever but thank you i have found i have found by the way the complete list of clips and i'm out watching the fucked up scene of the casting table of this guy just getting his brains fucked out jesus christ on game pass everybody have make sure you're your parental restrictions set lot of sex in this game don't stream this game probably not accepted i didn't a mic and like we had a whole long conversation about like is this a lot on Twitch is this not

on Twitch I don't think this is a lot of Twitch I was like I shouldn't watch it on Twitch what was the clip that rolled credits for you guys wait is it not the flame is it not her burning that wasn't the one that rolled credits for me what it was the one of it was the one of it was one of it was one of like I found the flame footage and then right after that I had found the one of yeah like her bleeding out her head at the end of two of everything and that's where credits rolled for me yeah I think I think again Reb, I think it's a gated thing. Because I had the same thing where I had the fire and I texted Bless about something else and I kept playing.

And I asked you if it was a gated thing, Wes, right? Because that credits because I'm like, I feel like this is the last. Plus it's being very coy on purpose and good on him. I was like, I got what it must be the last clip. This has to be the last clip. Right. He's like, yeah, but. And then I kept playing and going into more stuff.

And that's when I think I went into enough clips that it did the, you start scanning and the one's face pops up behind. Yeah. Oh, it must be. That's fascinating though. That must be a very different mood then coming from a different clip because I had had the one where she bleeds from the head. Like I already had that clip. And so when I got to the burning, like it did feel extremely final.

And I did the whole thing. Like I watched the burning and then went back and watched the subverted footage and then backed out. And then it was her face. And it was, oh, wow. What a moment. What a game, ladies and gentlemen. If you haven't for some reason played him, we're telling me, you listen to all this. You still should bear it.

Barrett. You should still play. I mean like does the does the rumble work on the steam deck like it's sounding like it's not you know it does like a little bit but you like yeah you kind of have to really pay attention to it I'm replaying the last of us part two right now because I'm a broken person I'm real busy over here you know Rebecca thank you I needed an outlet oh my god everybody does when they play this so there you go ladies you can't tweet about it because it's there's nothing you can't ruin it for anybody you can't ruin it for anybody nothing you can say uh we love it you should play that's the final word here. Of course, this is Ben, the Kind of Funny Games cast. Right after this, we're going to do an old episode of a trivia show. We haven't talked about it, but you're not on the episode

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