Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Nintendo Direct and Rare Franchises - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 03

Episode Date: January 16, 2015

We react to all the news from the latest Nintendo Direct, these are the Rare franchises we want to see return, are video game console bundles important, and a wrap-up of a bunch of gaming news Tim cared about this week. (Released 01.16.15) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up guys? This is the kind of funny games cast. Now if you don't know, I am Tim Getty's. Ah, you hit you up in the head with a microphone, you're trying to do it all cool. Well, speaking of cool, I'm here with the coolest dudes in video games. Colin Moriarty, Greg Miller. Hi. It's good to be here. Thanks for having us.

Oh, you're welcome. We're going to talk about some video games today. There it is. That's what I'm talking about. Come back, bring back the NPR tone. Get rid of this MTV VJ stuff you're doing. But I'm so... That's what I like.

I like moving my hands, like screaming. I don't mind the rap hands that you've always given you in trouble for. Hip-hop hands. Hip-hop hands. I thought it was just funny that, you know, I'd complimented you. On the first two shows, I'd complimented you on your NPR tone and you're going to talk like this, blah, blah. And then, like, yesterday on the Game Over Gregory show, you confessed it was because the mics were so loud in your ears that it was, like, raining you in. Yeah.

Even now it feels weird here. We've gone back, we've gone back to the good mics to get better audio. Yeah, exactly. This sounds way better. I'll tell you that much. We heard you loud and clear. Thank you for your feedback. We got people talking shit, though, that I'm interviewing you guys.

And that's one of those things. It's like, I am kind of interviewing them. That's what the host does. Yeah, exactly. That's what people used to get mad at me when I started hosting Beyond after, you know, being just a second banana on Game Scoop and just being a voice on Beyond for so long. They're like, oh, we miss you being crazy. And so you've got to sacrifice that at some point when you're the host. You're hosting, you've got to like, you're setting other people up to go crazy.

Yeah, that's my thing is don't worry, guys. I'm going to flail my hands around and do a lot of dumb things in many places. I'm going to try to rein that in just a little bit here. I'm going to do a lot of dumb things in many places. Yeah, exactly. That's what I like to hear. But what's really important is the dumb places you can go, like iTunes. I tried to get a zingway.

That's a dumb place. That's a dumb place. Our show is now on iTunes officially. All the problems are gone. You can search for it. Oh, no. It's good. As of right now.

As of last night, you can go and everything I promise you is there. The first two episodes are up right now. Right. Oh, this is great. This is so, so great. You just search. You can search for kind of funny. Kind of space funny.

You get both our shows. Nice. You can search for games cast. We're there. Yeah. Yeah. Here's the big question, though. So, of course, I'm going to iTunes.

I'm getting it on a Friday. I'm enjoying myself. Of course, I could have had this a week earlier if I went where. Yes, you could have went to patreon.com slash kind of funny games. Yeah. Or threw a meatball right down on the plate there, Greg. Exactly. Or kind of funny.

com. Or vimeo.com. Slash kind of funny. If you wanted to get any of the stuff early. Yeah. Otherwise. Probably topic by topic day by day. On YouTube.

com slash kind of funny games. See, that's the thing, Colin. I've been getting, I've been getting criticism. that they like the games cast better because Tim doesn't do all the pimps. You gotta let the people know. I'm sick of answering tweets about where the games cast. Well, that's the thing.

They'll know now. Now it's everywhere they need to know. The people that are complaining are the people that are upset at me. And I'm just giving you hard time. Yeah, exactly. We love you. Thank you for caring about her shit enough.

And if you could go to iTunes and go to the Kind of Funny Gamescast and review this, subscribe, go on SoundCloud and do the same thing. That would be super awesome because we're trying to get this off the ground. And things are good. I've noticed it's funny because Greg,

Greg's so used to hosting everything. Yeah. And he doesn't host this and he doesn't host Colin and Greg and he can't help himself. Yeah. He'll just jump in and start hosting the show. And I'm like, and I'm like, that's, that's okay. That's, that's in your blood. It's running through your veins.

I didn't, I wasn't hosted nothing there. I was just, I was just giving you the stupid. I like that. I'm Shilly McShiel. Yeah. Hey, I'm down for that too. Shilly McShiel. Thanks for letting me go, guys.

I hate you so much. No, that's cool though. You fill in the holes that I can never fill. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. There's not many of them. No, no. Yeah.

All right, guys, first thing we're talking about is the Nintendo Direct that just happened to this morning. Right. So, by the time you guys are hearing this, this is a little outdated. But guess what? The commentary isn't outdated. Yeah, yeah. This show is about us talking about things we like, like video games. Yeah.

So a lot of things were announced today. I wouldn't say anything too revolutionary. Shocking. No, exactly. But this was a, we all knew this was going to be a new 3DS focused direct. And we got a lot about that, including a release date. February 13, which is pretty soon. Yeah.

So here's what you need to walk me through. I'm excited for the new 3DS. I have the original 3DS. I haven't able to play smash on that because it's horrible. I can't see. It's too small. It's like a postage stamp. Yeah.

I saw people online, though, getting really mad that it's only the new 3DS XL and not the new. There's another. So in between the 3DS I have, there was a 3DS bigger and then a 3DS XL. No. So what the fuck are they talking about? original 3DS and then there was the 3DS Excel. Yeah. And then now there's new versions of both of those in Japan. And they're coming to Europe too, right? One of those is coming to Europe. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. But both of them are already in Japan. Okay. What they add is it's like it's faster GPU

Right. And they got the stick, the C stick and stuff. And it has way better viewing angles. Okay. It's insane how much better it is. And they decided not to release the new 3DS in a America. It's just the new 3Ds. See, I didn't know there was a new thing. I like, I like the, I just like the viewing angle thing because it's like, are people playing their, their handheld like this? Well, the 3D, it's the 3D issue. Yeah, but does anyone even use the 3D? They should get rid of that. The 3D should be removed.

Jesus, God Almighty. I've often thought about super removing it down because it's annoying when I'm playing something and I bump it and it kicks up. I'm like, oh, God, no. That's the point is that won't happen anymore, they say. Why? Because it's, because it's, because the viewing angles. No, I'm going to make sure I don't ever fucking turn it on. That's why it's not going to happen. I haven't met anyone that uses the 3D on that

Here's the thing The 3D When it's used in the gameplay It's good Like for example Super Mario 3D land It's awesome with the 3D Smash Bros with the 3D

Get the fuck out of here Yeah No No No, no What you got time Hurts my eyes Nobody got time for that

But yeah So but Greg People are upset about this I don't know why Why would they Still get Your problem is the screen size Yeah

I don't know why anyone Would get a 3DS Over an Excel I didn't Yeah Like I didn't even realize That was still an option I thought

the Excel was now the standard. In America, it is, right? It's not. I mean, no. There's still a 3DS in America. Is it the one I have, the little red guy? Okay. Okay. And so this is the same red guy just in the... With the C-stick. That's dumb. Nobody buy that. I own that system.

Don't buy that. They're not putting it in America. Well, good. I'm glad. Nintendo's making the choice. It's because they have inventory to sell through you, you have to assume. Well, I mean, it's all new colors and stuff. Something weird that Nintendo does is they always release the new ones, and then they release special editions that super cool looking of the older version.

Well, that's what they were doing leading up to this one. Just when they had me on the ropes, I'm like, maybe I will buy a 3DS XL. I can't see anything on this. They're like, oh, guess what? New 3DS is coming with the C stick. I'm like, I'll buy that. And they're like, guess what? 3DS that looks like an N.S.

And I'm like, that's not the new one? So weird. What are you doing? The bigger thing that I read, I was just, I haven't read any of these stories yet, just apart from headlines, wherever, but apparently the 3DS, the new, the 3DS XL, I guess, in America, doesn't come with a power brick or something like that? Oh, okay, yeah. That's the weirdest thing about this.

Are you kidding me? No power. What the hell? Like that's so weird. That's weird. It is weird. I think they're just assuming that it's all people upgrading. They should make that assumption.

Oh, I know. Hey, it's Nintendo. They make some weird assumptions sometimes. This is one of them. So it's $200. Which, honestly, it's worth it. You should do it. You should upgrade, Greg.

I'm going to. Good. But there's a few things that grind my gears on this one, all right? Shut on the computer for full focus. Number one, this power. brick business. Yeah. Come on. It's so few. I like having to power bricks. What if I traded my in? What if I traded this in? What if I was just a kid who was like, oh, that 3Ds looks awesome and you go and buy it? There's going to be people who get to be not to defend them because I trust me, I'm on your guys aside here, but it's like, okay, Amazon, $5.

Sure, but you want this is very much like what we're talking about with. This is what we're talking about with Christmas. You know what I mean when the PlayStation network down on the Xbox one was down and all that stuff. You get home, you turn the system on and then you realize you need something else. Yeah. It's mother bullshit. Well, that's the bigger thing is if it's 200, the Excel's $200, USD, so the, and the brick is $5 on Amazon. It's probably, it's probably more than that. Let's say it's 20, because it's probably expensive. Like 1999, that costs Nintendo $2 to make, probably in parts and labor or whatever. They should put it in the fucking box, you know? Like, I don't know, I really don't understand. That's like such a stupid assumption.

Sony should make that assumption with Vita that people that are upgrading to Vita Slim are Vita owners already because no one's buying the Vita. That's like that would be annoying if that didn't come with the power brick But that would actually make more sense 3DS is proliferated and there are people that are interested in buying this platform I'd still be curious if I opened my Vita and there was no power brick But the chance the problem there of course is that it uses the micro sd or not SD or micro USB so as long as it can't if it didn't come with the power brick I know at least I have those laying around the house I don't have the Nintendo still use a proprietary power charger right so weird

I think it's gonna because if it's a 3DS one it's still a little whatever cube one that reminds me the containment unit So here's the other thing, though, is the 3DS and the DS, not the original DS, but the later DS models, which is pretty much what everyone has. It's the same thing. It's the same charger. So it's like, you probably do have. I understand that probably you do, but I still think there's a lot of people who are going to jump on this that don't. Yeah, and that's annoying. I'm with you.

And that's not going to be well explained, I bet. Yeah. Oh, Lord. You're going to have some good game stop employees. Grandma's going to be upset. Jimmy will be upset. Grandma will have another nip of the good stuff and not care at all. Here's my second problem with this Nintendo 3DS announcement stuff today.

Again, yes, I want to buy one. I want to play Majora's Mask. So, my world, Colin, it all comes together right here. And they're like, oh, guess what? New 3DS XL comes and it's branded with Majora's mask. It's awesome. It's amazing. In America, it doesn't come with the game.

What the fuck? Are you kidding? In Europe, it comes pre-installed on the system. Yeah. Come on! That's another weird thing. It's really pretty, though. It is really pretty.

Pretty. Don't get me. And again, that's the one I'll go for because I want to get a new 3DS anyway, but it's like... Yeah. Well, see, here's the thing, though, Greg. This could have been way, way worse than it is because what I was just saying about them announcing new 3DSs and then making special editions of old ones. Yeah. This is like one of the first times where the day that the new 3DS comes out, which is February 13th, we are also getting a special edition Maja's one. The fact that this isn't a Majors Mask special edition of the original DS. We should be happy about that. True. That's a good point. So I'm pretty, it looks cool. Okay.

Now, the other thing that the new 3DS has is it has the NFC for amoebo. Right. So we're going to get an update for Smash Bros so that we can use the Amoebo's on the new 3DS, not on the 3DS we already have. Here's your chance to buy it. Yeah, exactly. Here's your chance to upgrade and not be mad about your power brick. Eventually there's going to be a little adapter for the older 3Ds,

but there was no news of that today. We'll see. They announced wave 4 of the Smash Bros. Amigos, which include Lucina, Wario, Pac-Man, N, and Charzard. You're excited for Charzzo? I'm excited for Charzzo. I'm excited for a couple of these.

How many Mimos do you own? You're the Nintendo fanbaseable. Yeah, I only own one. Alexis got me Peach for Christmas because that's her character and she wants me to be able to play against her. It's cute, you know. Yeah, yeah.

But I've been upset because the one that I want is Zero Suit Samis. And they're just, they're holding out on me. Of course there. Maybe Wave 5. We'll see. They also, so this is in addition to Wave 3 that was announced recently that had

Mega Man, Shulk, Tunlink, Sonic, Metonite, Lucario, Rosalinae, Bowser, Sheik, and Ike. That's a big, big wave. I'm assuming you're getting, Mega Man. Greg bought it for me, actually. Pre-ordered it for me.

Damn, yeah, there you go. I just wanted the action figure. I don't even, I'm not going to use it. It's like the Mario I got it. It was like, cool, and I just put it on the thing and never ever used it. So, uh, they also announced a Super Mario Bros set of Amiobos for use with Mario Party 10. This is interesting because this is. Did they show dry bones?

No. Motherfucker! It's just, it's the normal dudes you'd expect. Toad, Mario, Peach, Luigi. Mario's already got one. We already got one. So this is the thing. This is the first set that's not Smash Bros.

This is Mario Bros. Is it 8-bit Mario? Because that'd be cool. No, I don't think they showed them. From what I saw on the IGMs.com. I mean, I-G-N.com. I don't know. I don't know what the hell they're doing.

Now there's just another set of amoeboes that work with Mario Party. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, but from what I... No, but they work in everything. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like the Mario will be able to... You can just get different Mario. So the Mario that works with Mario Party can work with Smash Brothers.

But the Mario that works with Smash Brothers will not. work with Mario Party. I'm assuming it will. No, actually it will. If you would have asked me last night, will the new 3DS come with a charging cable? I would have said, yeah, of course. I would as assume that as well. This whole people thing, you're kind of learning

learning as we go. And again, I don't have all the facts on this. Sure, this is all breaking news. Nintendo's really good at giving out piece of mail information. Yeah, like when they revealed the new console and only showed the controller and no one knew what the fuck was happening. Is this a console? Yeah. Yeah, so I have a feeling, from what they've explained before, it's that the characters will work multi-game.

And it's just, you know, different toys. The different iterations of the same character, okay. So I think that's okay. I'm not too upset. I'm not too upset. I'm sure collectors will like that. Yeah. They also talked about immobile functionality and Kirby and the Rainbow Curse and Captain Toad and stuff like that.

The biggest one was code name Steam, which is a new 3DS strategy game coming out. Which looks awesome made by one guy. He's a totally cool developer. I want to play that one. Oh, cool. He was a really cool dude. I met him at GDC, I think, a few years ago. Maybe packs.

You can use the different Fire Emblem Amivo characters from Smash Bros. Which now include Robin, Lucina, Ike, and Marth. So the same characters, four times. They're all Fire Emblem character. Yeah. Oh, there you go. Collins on a damn roll here.

Only two of them are slightly similar. Too many Fire Emblem characters. I love Fire Emblem. No, Firemone's great. Why people do? No, I saw a pair tweeting about it today. How he's going to fire emblem crap. The most exciting thing about this is the biggest announcement for me today.

A new Fire Emblem game for the 3DS. That's a big game. Oh, I'm so excited. That's a BFD right there, right? They didn't date it, though, right? No, they didn't date it. And it was weird. They showed a trailer for it, which was very similar to the intro movie in the Awakening game for a 3DS,

where it was like this beautiful cinematic thing, but it didn't really show anything. Like, there's some gameplay in it and stuff. But there's a lot of questions here. Like, it looks like an entire new cast. It's a traditional Fire Emblem game, but sometimes they'll do like a sequel. It's like Final Fantasy, where it's like every time it's different. But some of the games like 9 and 10 were in the same universe and stuff. And usually I would have assumed they were going to continue the story from Awakening.

Right. So to see that they're not doing that, it's cool. I'm excited for this. The Fire Enbum game on 3DS is definitely my favorite game on the system. So this is good. I'm a little upset we didn't get any news on the Shidma Gemi Tensei Cross Fire Emblem. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of people that think that that game.

kind of in hell right now. I don't know. I don't know what the deal with that game is. It was announced a while, like a long time ago. They announced it like a year ago. And we haven't heard anything since. Yeah. But we'll see. Yeah. It's, I really want that. Because the Fire Emblem on Wii is going to be legit. Who's developed? I mean, what side is developing the Shimagameinzei cross Fire Emolm? Anyways, is it, is it, uh, like Nintendo's second party or first party or is it, is it going to be Atlas? I think it's Atlas. Yeah. Again, don't quote me on that. I'm just, they're quoting you right now.

Yeah, they can quote me all they want. So Majors' Mass DLC announced for Hyrule Warriors with Tingle. Oh, Tingle. It gets a play his Tingle. Back and better than ever. Nice. Yeah, that's cool.

Did you play a lot of Hyru Warriors? No, I didn't. Yeah. I played a little of the Hyruy. It's fun. It's Dynasty Warriors, so it's just that like, you know, turn your brain off fun. Yeah, exactly. That's cool.

You know, oh, kill this many people. You did it. Good job. Yeah. I feel like it gets way too much hate because people are, oh, this is stupid. This isn't the Zelda I want. Well, no shit it is in the Zelda. It's a Mousseau.

Like, that's what it is. A lot of people have that problem with a lot of, I mean, when Dragon Quest, the new Dragon Quest was announced for PS4 and I think it's only PS4, it's a Mousseau too. And it's like, this is what Omega Force does. This is what, this is their thing. Yeah. You're not going to get like a different game out of them.

Yeah. So if you're expecting something different, you're going to be very disappointed. Yeah. And it looked nice. It was pretty fun to look at, like lots of colors. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, guys.

Also, Young Link is another DLC character with a fierce deity mask. Nice. I like that the game has DLC. I like that it's been continuously updated. You just don't want to play any of the ELC or play the game. Yeah, no, but exactly. It's not for me. That's not my thing.

But I'm happy that they're actually... That's being supported. Consistently, like, during these directs, they keep announcing new stuff. Sure. They keep putting new stuff into it. And, like, I mean, there's a lot of characters in that game. They got to tingle? Cool.

Good for them. I mean, that's the interesting thing we always talk about with Nintendo, right? You buy that console. for the first party games and the exclusives and everything you want, right? And so while they're off making the next Metroid and the next Zelda and whatever else they're working on, right? You have to partner with people who will continue a pipeline of. We've got a majority of mass stuff over here now. Come on back to this game.

Why don't you give this game a try? And that's something really cool I found with Nintendo recently. There's a lot of things they hate about them. But during the directs, I like their directs. I like that we get mini E3s like every couple months. Yeah, that is cool. And it's really cool that they kind of like link together in a lot of ways. Like they've used Smash Bros for the past.

two years to like kind of be the through line with all of them where it's like here's new announcements and here's how it relates to smash or they'll announce new character and here's his game and stuff like that and uh right now they're kind of using uh major's mask to do that yeah it's like major's mask and the new 3DS have been the theme of the last couple directs and it's like now we're getting major's mask dLC for iro warriors it's like cool thanks guys it makes you feel like you're investing in the ecosystem right i'm a fan of ecosystems you love ecosystems oh love them you love biodome as well biodome it's a fine movie fruit at the bottom waiting to be stirred

so Major's mask also got a release date yeah same day as the new 3DS and February what is it February 13th yeah and uh... Happy Valentine's Day and also they announced that the C stick on the the new 3DS will allow you to control the camera so that's nice yeah because

I can't remember camera controls were always tough on the N60s exactly so that'll be good so you are getting the you're going to buy the game and the system yeah I guess so that's what they forced my hand on that one yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna have to get them both but I want I've been waiting right because that's the thing

smash on the go has always sounded really cool right and as much as we're traveling this upcoming year to be able to play smash with you to fool around in an airport right with the C stick yeah full out that C stick yeah but it's yeah it's time for me to pull the trigger especially because I've held on to this original 3DS forever yeah see I'm in a weird place because I have an Excel yeah I love it I don't play it that much is whenever new game comes out of play So I'm just like, I'm not trying to sell mine.

If I can sell mine for a hundred, I'd be down to invest another hundred to get the better one. Yeah. What about you, Colin? Any chance in hell? No, no, definitely not. But I have a 3DS and it's fine. I play it like twice a year. So, I mean, I'm not going to buy a 3DS for a new game.

Although, I'm really excited that Majoris Mask is coming out. That's my favorite, Zelda. Mine too. I haven't gone back to it forever. Or it's not my favorite, but it's one of my favorites. And, like, I really like, you know, Mjores Mask is a really special game. And I think a lot of people, not a lot of people, I mean, you look at the sales figures, Majors' Masks sales in Fall 2000, you know, fell off significantly from fall 98 when Al-Qarina came out.

Obviously, Al-Garina was the game changer like Mario 64 was, but I think, frankly, that both of those games are wildly overrated, and that the iteration, like the way they were able to iterate later on, not necessarily with maybe sunshine, with Mario, but maybe with Galaxy, that's the real, you know, 3D Mario game. That's, like, the B's Nees. The same thing, like Majora's Mask made so quickly and so rapidly, like, literally within a year, ended up being, to me, the seminal Zelda game because it was dark and it was different.

And the confines of the way they made the game quickly made them make different decisions that changed the entire game. It's really, much like the Minish Cap and I think just a select few different Zelda games, like Zelda, too, it's different. It's different Zelda game. It's dark as hell, it's imminent.

I love how the clock's constantly thinking you cannot dick around in that game. And I think that that's really exciting to me. A lot of people are like, well, I want to see things leisurely at my own pace. And I like, I like doing that too, but Majoris Mass doesn't let you do that. and that's like that's what's so cool about it.

You had so many Zelda games where you could do that, right? I always talk about this, like, you know, my introduction to Zelda was Ocreen of Time. I fell in love with it and was so in love with it, and I loved Majora's mask. And then, ever since then, I feel like, don't even wrong. Loved Win Waker, and I'm not a revisionist. I loved it at the time and tried to make people understand how a lot of revisionist history about that game. I know, but I just want to make sure you and I have talked about it. I want to make sure you're not throwing stones to me.

People don't think you're throwing stones of me. But from then on out, if I get so sick of the same story. And that's why I think I love, and I think so many people loved, a link between worlds, right? I'm just fact like, fuck it. Like, you immediately get a sword and shield, go to the dungeons. Go do whatever you want. You don't have to go through, oh, you're a boy without a fairy, and here's your wood sword and wood shield. But yeah, but that was, I mean, you played a link to the past, I assume.

Yeah. So, I mean, that was, that was, I was actually, like, a link between worlds was a fun game and I enjoyed. I played over the last, like, I guess, last year when I was home. I don't remember exactly when I died. Yeah, it was Christmas, so two Christmases ago. Yeah. And I liked it, but I'm like, this is a link to the past. You know, like, it's, it is a link to, and I was like, so that's a little reductionist to me.

I played Link to the Past on my SP in college, so after it, right? And so for me, that game didn't even click with me the way it did for so many people growing up and that it did. Oh, that's a special game. Yeah. So, like, yeah, for me to jump into this one, I like, when I was playing and having such a great time, I remember I'd come into work and Jose would talk to me, like, oh, did you like this theme and that thing? And I'm like, I have no idea we're talking about. I didn't catch any of these references to the old game. I'm just playing a game.

I mean, the map's identical. Like that, I mean, that was that I do, yes. But the, yeah, like, what that was so cool about Majoras Mass was that, you know, Hyrule in Ocarina, like, Ocarina, like, O'Reena, like, I think that that game is one of N64's great games, obviously, and, like, it was very riveting. I remember playing with my friend Mike Pope, and we were, you know, 98, and we were just obsessed with it. It was so good. And we had the strategy guy.

And it was fun. But Majoras Mask was cool because it wasn't High Rule, it was Termina. And it was a totally, it was just a different world with a different vibe and a darker vibe. And, and an emphasis on different things on transformation. on rapidity on I loved how like in the 72 hours or ever in game that you have to do that you have to be in specific places at very specific times to get certain masks and like a dude will just run by on the second day at two o'clock in the afternoon and you're like you have to be there and wait and you'll be and then you have a conversation with him to a side quest like they've

never made a game like that for Zelda and and I actually think that the as I get older the offbeat Zelda games with the exception of Minish chap which I didn't really like and was cool was it was cool it was definitely different Yeah. But like Zelda 2 and Majores Mask, like, the older I get the more, I'm like, these are the great, these are great games, like, that I don't think people really appreciate it because they deviated heavily from the formula. Although that was common on the N-NESR to deviate on the second game.

Yeah, that's weird. I feel the same way about Mario 2, where it gets shot on a lot, but it's just like, guys, it's not bad. I mean, it's not Mario 3, but it's like, I love that game. I love that game so much, and it's so good for what it is, even though it's different. Yeah, I agree. Mario USA is like a, is an, an all-a-old. awesome game. I mean, like, when you look at the Mario 2

they got in Japan, I mean, that's lost levels to us. We got that game, and it's cool, but it's the same, it's just hard Mario. I mean, it's which is great. I love. Which is awesome. You love a hard Mario. But I agree. I mean, like, a lot of second games really changed. You know, Castlevania did it. You know, Zelda obviously did it.

I mean, a lot of games just, Metal Gear did it. I don't know a lot of people remember, you know, the original Metal Gear, Act Razor did it. Like, there's a lot of early games that changed for better or for worse, I think for worse with Metal Gear and Act Razor. Pretty much all, I don't think there's any example. where it was better. I think Castlevania,

I think Simon's Quest is an awesome game. Simon's Quest is really the precursor in many ways of Symphony in the Night. But, um, and I, I think even Zelda's change was awesome. I kind of think Zelda 2 is a better game than the original Zelda. It's just that the Zelda is is, is, is,

is, yeah, I think it's, it's like really, it's hard. It's fun. It's nonlinear. It's good, but it's the same thing as Mario where it's like, I wouldn't say it's better. It's just,

it's really good. Yeah. I mean, it's good. It's different. Yeah. But Zelda, the legend of Zelda 87 Zelda,

Zelda, 86 Zelda, whatever, is a link to the past, and then Aquarina, and then you know, on and on and on, while Zelda 2 is just Zelda 2. Yeah, they've never done it again. And that's what Same thing with Majora's mask. Exactly. It's just like, it's its own thing. And that's why, that's why I really hope that, you know, people out there that didn't play Majora's Mass and own an N64, maybe passed by it, really play it on 3DS because

we're getting on the virtual console, whatever, because that game, man, you know, like, there's a lot of revisionist history about Majora's mask, too, just like there was about Winwaker, because I love the Winwaker when it came out as well. And a lot of people, you know, Zelda, a lot of people remember that from the message where they sell calling it Zelda very derogatorily and you know Majoris Mass

a lot of people are like this game is dark and I don't care about it in 64 anymore I don't care about the moon I think I hope people out there really give it a chance but I'm gonna buy the Majoris Mask re-release I'm just gonna play it on my my 3DS yeah oh you're gonna regret that I remember I bought it just because the screen's small

I'm not saying because you I bought Major's mask from my friend and I didn't have an expansion pack so I just bought just the cart from him and I was that stupid and young and didn't understand and I was like what is fine but eventually I figured it The opposite happened to me in high school, so as a senior, I was done with Majora's Mask. Major's Mask was, I think Majors Mask and Dr. Mario were the last two N64 games I bought.

Dr. Mario was a really late release, right? That was really late. Yeah, I think. You didn't wait for Conquer? Those were the two last ones, I think. Conquer was after Major's Mask? Conquer was like the light of the end of the tunnel and I had to give up on it. So that was like 2001, I guess.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I can't. Yeah, no, I didn't buy Conquer. So yeah, Majorias Mask and I think Dr. Mario came out in the fall of 2000. I think those are the last two games I bought in spring of 2001, right? Yeah, I was in high school. I had a friend of mine who borrowed my Majors mask and borrowed my expansion pack.

And gave me Majors back later, but never gave me my expansion pack back. And to this day, my N64 doesn't have an expansion pack. Although I don't think I played N64 much after that. That was the end of that. I think the last game that I remember coming out on the N64 was Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3. And I was like, guys. Oh, so like a port. Just stop.

It's over. Give it up. Let it go. So speaking of old games coming back, Wii games. are coming to Wii U. So you've been able to play Wii games if you put the disc in and go into Wii mode on the Wii U

and play the game. It's a rigumole. But now you can buy them at discounted price to play straight from the Wii U, like downloaded versions. And some of these are rare games. So we got Mario Galaxy 2,

punch out, Donkey Kong Country Returns, and Metroid Prime trilogy. Yeah, so Metro Roy Trilogy is like going for like $100 on disc. But that's the thing, not anymore. It's the... GameSpot did a re-release of it.

So it's like the, I mean, the original, like, Steelcase version is you can still sell that for a lot of money. But you can get the game pretty easily if you wanted to. Because they have reprints. But these games are coming out. And I don't know how what the American price is. It's like 20 pounds. So like $30, $35. And it'll be half off the first week they're up.

So that's cool. And right now, Galaxy 2 is live. Can I play Galaxy? So they said that not all of these things, but some of them you can. And they make it sound like Mario Galaxy 2 is one of them. It's funny though, because I feel you on that. Yeah. I feel you on that very much.

But to me, Galaxy and Galaxy 2, which are both tens to me, like those games are just absolutely immaculate. Those are immaculate. I remember being so blown away by Galaxy. And then two comes out and you're like, holy crap, you did it again. Yeah, it's awesome. Like it's a really awesome game. And I think that those are the rare games where I was like, I didn't mind playing with

the Nunnuch because. It felt in two. It did. It really didn't bother me. I was bothered. I was ready to be done with it. Oh, man. You were crazy, Greg.

But yeah, this is one of those things where it's like, all right, cool. This is not what I wanted at all. What do you want? I would want an HD, like, remastered edition of Gaussian of Gaussian. Gousey one and two together. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Like, they're still cooking on that. Yeah, you, well, I don't know.

I mean, this is like not a good sign for that. No, I agree with him, actually. I think, I mean, I, in the sense that, well, I think that the resources is for whatever 3D Mario team is obviously they're making a new one so it's I don't want them to make it I want them to make a real Mario game I want so you want like a second or third party

that's a wind waker you want blue point out there doing it yeah who did do this at the Wind Waker port I don't even know I don't know Mewo all by himself but like whoever did that I want them to do a Galaxy 1 and 2 thing and there's the other thing just Galaxy 2 all right

let me play one of the games yeah the better one in my opinion but really I don't know It's upset. Yeah, I'm sure they'll trickle more games out or whatever. I'd like to see some third-party Wii games on there as well. But Zach and Wiki would be a nice one.

Zach and Wiki. It's one of my favorite. Wow, yeah. We want to talk about IGN campaigning for a game. Mark Bose on Matt Kastmasina. That game was awesome. I know Zach and Wiki was great, but they were like beating the drum on. Yeah, that was the main thing people underestimated.

Oh, it's so cute. It's going to be fun for everybody. You getting like, how the hell do I open this chest? Yeah, that game was cool. They'll be cool. And I like, you know, I want to give a, I hope that on Wii U eventually, one of the coolest games I think that was maybe didn't really pan out

very well but it was interesting and I enjoyed just kind of experiencing it was endless ocean and I know they made I think a second one but I'd like to see them like really explore that that again do it with the game pad and kind of do something intuitive and cool because that was a really nice idea for a game so it would be cool to see them do something like that again

that was really unique. I never played it that was a really unique game it was just you were just in the water just doing your thing just hanging out swimming around like flying fish was it like Echo? Echo the Dolphin Yeah Uh, no, because Echo the Dolphin had like a point to it and like a beginning and an end. Endless Ocean was endless ocean was endless ocean.

But yeah, no, it was, it was, I remember being so excited when I got that game. Yeah. And I was like, that was like, that was like when I was still my Wii mode. And I was, but it was cool. It was just a weird, it was just a weird, trippy game. Yeah. The last bit of news is the first Nintendo cross-by game, Mario versus Donkey Kong. So you can buy it's on 3DS.

It's on the Wii U. Cool. Doesn't do anything for you? It doesn't do anything. What is the gameplay of Mario? It's like the old Donkey Kong games. Okay. Kind of.

And then, yeah, it's just like, do you ever play the Game Boy at Donkey Kong? Yeah. Yeah, it's like that. Okay. Expanded and like crazy missions and stuff. I'm happy it's crossby. Like that's a step. Yeah.

Somewhere. I wonder if crossby is a PlayStation trademark term. I'm sure when it's hyphenated and both are uppercase, yes, but outside of that, no. Yeah, I wonder. It's like, yeah, Marvel has the trademark on superheroes spelled a certain way. And it's like, all right. Really? Yeah.

That's awesome. All right. Next up, Microsoft wants to bring back Classic Rare franchises. That'd be great. And there's a lot of things going towards this right now. Like last week, one of the composers of Rare's music said that 2015 is going to be a really big year for them.

And then now, this Microsoft dude, he's saying like, dude, Bandro Cazooey, Battle Toads, Perfect Dark, Viva Piniata, they're going to come someday. They're just trying to find developers passionate about the projects. This is cool. It is cool. I have questions about, it's clear what IP they own and what IP came with them on Microsoft bought them and what didn't. What I'm most curious about is, especially like their most prolific output in terms of games made was during the NES area.

They made like 25 games. And a lot of people don't realize that for some reason. Yeah, what were some of the? I mean, their biggest games on NES were Wizards and Warriors. But they did like Cobra Triangle and Snake Rattle and Roll. And like they did a bunch of anticipation, like a lot of games. I'm curious like how far back their ownership is attached with the IP to Rare. In other words, Nintendo published a lot of their games, and they made games for Amiga and stuff too, but I wonder who owns Wizards and Warriors.

Like, that would be, you don't hear that name thrown around very much. I have to assume that Nintendo owns that name, but that was their, like, everyone always talks about Jet Force, Gemini or something like that, is like really, you know, or DocuCon Country, like, when they really became rare. But, like, Wizards and Warriors was huge. And a lot of people forget that they made those games. So I'd love to see them to go way back. Go way back to Wizards and Warriors. and do something like that or do Cobra Triangle or something really, really wild and weird.

But who the hell owns? Those IPs are long dormant. Can you imagine seeing a trailer for Xbox One Wizards and Warriors? That would be awesome. That would be insane. That would be so cool like a, almost like a mobile or something. You could do whatever you wanted with that.

But they're going to have problems because rare's talent. I mean, they're still very, I don't mean to disparage people are rare. They're very talented people over there, but the talent that made those games that people love are long gone. And then it's just an empty show. shell, right, of the title. And then it's trying to live up to that. That's the problem.

Remember when they re-released GoldenEye? Yeah. And everybody was leading up just like, GoldenEye's back. Yeah. And then nobody care when came out. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Well, that wasn't rare though. Sure. That was the opposite side of the issue. Yeah, I mean, killer instinct, people like that. You know, like the fans of it. Yeah. Are into, like, Dustin. Dustin, just didn't love killer instinct.

Sure. But the killer, the new one? Because I thought that was, uh, that was, uh, that was the guys that did the borderlands two port. Yeah. I guess the same issue then. Twin Galaxies, Twin Galaxies. Yeah. Yeah.

Iron Galaxy. Twin Galaxies is the leaderboard. Yeah. They didn't do anything. They didn't do anything. Iron Galaxy, that's right. Yeah, so, but Red did the Viva Penaata. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. On last gen. And Viva Penaenaenae is a game, a select group of people really love and talk about. I mean, Christine Stimer loves that game. You know what I mean? Afraid of D. Yeah, yeah, right? Laves that game.

Making Caterpillars make out. Yeah, everybody loves it. But, like, and that would be an easier one to come on to, but I mean, to come on to Battletoads, To come on to Perfect Dark and try to make these games? Like, are you... Oh, yeah, and Perfect Dark. It's like... Perfect Dark Zero.

That was a huge hit. Yeah. I feel like they even were specifically talking about, like, maybe making Perfect Dark a third person, like, stealth game. It's like, that could have some potential. Like, the characters in the world are Perfect Dark, they're fun and cool. I just don't know if they're, you know, still primed for 2015. Those are definitely some 90s-ass characters. Yeah.

Yeah, it's like, I almost, it's interesting. I think K. I was a really interesting kind of. case study in terms of that was clearly an IP that they received with the acquisition of Rare. Rare was clearly smart enough, I guess, to hold on to those IPs when they were making those games for S&S. But like, what does it, like, what does it mean that they didn't even make Killer Instinct? Like, in other words, what is the involvement? Like, it's almost like when they bought Rare, they got the IP that was way more valuable than the studio.

And like, to me, rare doesn't mean anything anymore. So it's, it's, like, who cares? In a way, it's like, take the IP and give them the, you know, Rare is maybe capable of making these games, but they've not been allowed the chance to shine. They've been making like Connected Adventures and like weird things like that. It's like, why would you ever ever do that to that studio? You just gutted that studio and gutted its legacy. So take the games and give them the studios that have shown capability of treating them kindly, like Jet Force Gemini or Banjo, obviously, like, you know, it doesn't have to be rare. Like, the IP is more valuable than the rare name at this point.

Right. Like there are kids that grew up have no idea rare is. They kind of know that. This is all about them wanting to bring back the franchises and finding the right fits to make those games. So I think that could be cool. Like, for me specifically Battletoads. Like, just that, the idea of playing a Battletoads now excites me.

Like, I just like them as characters and like that, that world. It's very, it's Ninja Turtles, but it's not Ninja Turtles. Yeah. Cool. Sign me up. Yeah, one. Lockable in the game would be the original game, of course. That would be awesome.

Yeah, great. I wonder, I really wonder, the resonant. that a lot of these, I think as we get older, especially Greg and I, like, we're just old. We are old. Battle Toes meant something back in the day, like, when it came out in NES. I mean, that NES game, as we talked about is just notoriously hard games bullshit. But, like, you know, it's like one of the few games I can go back and just beats my ass that motor site or that, like, you know, everyone knows that part.

Yeah. But, you know, to me, it's like what value does Battle Tows really have today? Microsoft has to be very smart with what they do. Like, Ballottles doesn't mean anything anymore. You know, like, it might be cool, but it's like... It'd be like Duck Tales remaster. I was just about to say. is a perfect example.

Everybody gets super stoked. It makes the video and oh my God, it's back, and then it comes on. It doesn't make any ways. And no one plays. Yeah. You know, no one.

Yeah. And it wasn't, it was good, but it wasn't like, the original is way way better, you know? And that was like a frame for frame remake of the original. It wasn't even like a new game.

So it was a new game in its own way, but it was the same, you know, same kind of thing. And, uh, you know, so to me, I wonder, like, how far back can you really conceivably go? We were talking about Wizards and Warriors.

That would be funny, but like, that doesn't mean anything to anyone. The Battle Toads doesn't mean anything to anyone. Cobra Triangle doesn't mean anything to anyone. You know, you have to maybe go back to Donkey Kong country, but obviously Donkey Kong is really with Retro now. You have to, so it's like, can you go back to Jet Force Gemini?

Perfect Dark. They ruin Perfect Dark with that Xbox 360 launch game. You know what I'm saying? At this point you're taking developers and you're like, can you make a third-person shooter, make it perfect dark? And it's like, well, just let them make a game. Like if we're starting from scratch,

or there's going to be so much baggage to the name that either it's going to be, oh, last Perfect Dark sucked, or the last, I remember Perfect Dark in 64 and I loved it. Either way, there's now a stigma attached to it. Just let them make a game. Yeah. I think Banjo Cazui, too. It's like, you know, everyone wanted another one.

They did the one last year. Nothing bolts. Yeah, and it just wasn't what people wanted. And it's like, well, that could have just been a different franchise completely. Yeah. People might have enjoyed it a bit more. Yeah, yeah, if you even have those expectations. But then there's the other side of it.

Well, maybe it did as well as it did. Because of the name. Just because of Banjo. I mean, the beauty of this situation for Microsoft is that, and you see this with the Phantom Dust, you know, announcement, which is a game that sold, like, fewer than 100,000 copies, but it's getting like a remake. The Microsoft seems eager now that it's gotten older. I mean, Microsoft's an old company from, you know,

the Albuquerque days in the late 70s, but in terms of Xbox 2000, sorry, 2000, 2001, really when it became, you know, when it was really a thing, they look like they want to celebrate their heritage a little bit more. And the beauty is that they can't go much further back than Halo, but they can with rare because of the IP they own. And it seems like that is that they have the propensity and the eagerness to do that where they can and when they can.

So, and Phantom Dust is the obvious. to that, although the Blinks IP kind of going away, because Blinks is, their trademark on Blinks is expired, so they're obviously not making a new one, which is the other IP that people always talked about. In other words, they're not old enough to have, like, ancient IP, but rare is. And so I think that they just want to go back and see, like, what they can do. But I agree with you guys in the sense that it's just smarter to make a new game and use your talented developers internally and second party to make.

To make what they want to make? It doesn't have to be, like, Phantom Dust is interesting, but what is it doing? Like, why lock it into that? Why not let them just make an RPG that that they're not? want to make. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know. I would want just like a small, I don't want to need a full like crazy retail game, but like a battle toads that's just like a downloadable game. That's what I want. I just want a small little bit for the, you know, thousands of people that do care about it and do remember. Yeah. Because yeah, you're right. We're not going to win new people over with battle toad.

But I mean, it'll be, it'll be cool. It'll be like the, it'll be the zeitgeist for a little while for old people. Yeah. But you don't want like, like, you know, Greg and I need, you need your 15 year old kids and like yeah killer instinct was cool and it was a different kind of model and people liked it it was a sound fighting game but again that was a weird i mean killer instinct never had like there's some revisionist history there too because killer instinct like knowing like killer instinct like like killing like clay fighters was cool all these random ass games that came out in the mid 90s that were fighting guys but no one cared about them really like it was it was it was cool to watch the fatalities whatever the hell they call them that weren't fatality like everyone like street fighter and

everyone like you know samurai showdown stuff like those were the serious fighting games not killer instinct so again it's like going back and like making something new again that wasn't really that exciting to begin with. But it's the same thing as Duck Tales, because I remember at E3 when we first saw that trailer, everyone lost their shit. They're like, oh my God,

it's killer instinct. And then, then yeah, no one played it. So, I don't know. Next up, the PS4 is now bundled with Last of Us.

Ooh. $400. I like this. Yeah. That's a very, very smart move on their part. So my question is to you guys. It might have been smarter to do it when you watch the game,

but. Yeah, exactly. I understand. How important is this? do you think this will last forever? Because some sites have worded this is that this is a forever thing.

Yeah, it seems like they made it as far as when I read the blog, the PlayStation blog, it seemed like that was the status quo for now. Was that the game just comes with the system? Yeah. And then the other thing is, how important are game console bundles? These days, I don't think they're that important. Back in the day, they were hugely important because games were way more expensive.

So, like, you know, when you bought an NES in 1986 for $200, adjusted for inflation, that's like $370, $380. And then the cartridges were $30, $40, $50, $60, $70, $70, depending on how big the game was, which is all of those would be more expensive than any game released today. So the bundle of like Mario Duck Hunt or Mario Duck Hunt track, you know, track me and all those kinds of stuff later on Mario 3. Like those mattered because it saved people real money.

Yeah. And I'm not saying $60 a day is not real money, but I'm saying like it was a little more, it was a little crazier back then. Cartages were really expensive. I think that the further you get along, bundles became less and less important. Super Nintendo bundles were important.

Sonic with Genesis is arguably the most important bundle ever released in this sense of that you know, everyone forgets Genesis came out in 89. Two years before S&ES came out, came with Altered Beasts, which is arguably one of the worst games of all time. And that game sucks. That game sucks.

Have you ever played Altered Beasts? Oh yeah. Oh my God, it's fucking sucks. That game's like literally a one. And SNES came out and Genesis was going to lose. Sonic turned their fortunes around bundling that in. It almost acted. I just pretend like the console ever existed. Yeah, it was a relaunch. It was brand new.

And so that was a really important thing. And then, you know, Mara with N64. But today it's like, no, I don't really think it matters. The thing nowadays is that there's so many bundles. You know what I mean? They come along. And we're coming off this thing right now. You had the Destiny PS4 bundle. And you had another one.

What was your, there was a buy one, get one during Christmas and the holidays. I think it's important right now in terms of people who have been on the fence. here's this game that's a perfect 10 it's a game of the year arguably a masterpiece you know everybody loves this game and now it's in there so if you were waiting you're like $400 seems a lot for justice system and I'm not interested in destiny now that it's packed

in right it's like well all right because I remember like I forget what it was what console it was where I was buying it my mom was like there's no they don't there's no game in this you know what I mean like that is a to a non game or somebody who just like knows a little bit about video games it isn't an interesting proposition it is more value arguably

than what you're getting out of before I think there's a lot of value there, but I think that the exciting about the last of us coming with PS4 is that the last of us is a 10, the last of us is arguably the best PlayStation exclusive of all time. It's arguably the best PS3 game, best PS4 game,

No, your dog's best game. It's like, it's a lot of best. And it's the best bundled in, regular bundled in game, not like a special kind of love or whatever since maybe like Super Mario World. You know, so like it's like that's pretty significant. I think it's going to have people in the door. The cooler thing for

Sony is that from a business standpoint makes a lot of sense because it's a first party game they don't have to pay licensing fees they don't owe anything to naughty dog to put it in the box they're going to get more copies out there which will inflate their sales numbers so there's like a lot of reasons for them to do it as well it's not like it's uh they're bundling in battlefield or something and then they have to split the money

with dice and yay it's basically just it's not free money they just don't have it's there's a negligent cost and they're just proliferating the console booster exactly in general with 18 and a half million PS4s out there probably more like 19 million now they're just trying to saturate the market and they're doing a really nice job. I mean, the market saturation 14 months in is just as good as it was with Wii 14 months in,

although we was heavily supply constraints. So it's a nice move. It's a good move. It's a logical move. And I wouldn't expect that it's going to be the last time Sony does this. It's just 2015 looks a little barren right now for exclusives for Sony. I think a lot of their studios are not ready yet. I think media molecule is not ready.

I don't think guerrilla's ready with their new game. Obviously, they're going to probably make a new kill zone. Plifony is not ready. So, you know, we have the order. We have Bloodborn, which, both come from second-party studios that are exclusive, and the only first-party exclusive that we know about that's coming out in 2015 is uncharted,

which Greg and I don't, you know, especially Greg doesn't do anything that's even going to come out in 2015. So this is a nice way to say like, well, here's a game. Yeah, and, you know, relax and enjoy yourself and get online and spend some time with it. Yeah. I think the most important bundle ever is the Wii with Wii sports. That's a good one.

That's a great point. That's a great point. Because that's the one that, you know, no one wanted that. No one like well I mean everyone was excited for but I don't think like the majority people would have bought the Wii and bought that game But the fact that it came with it everyone played it everyone had that shared experience and I think that that's really kind of what got the The fervor up about the way. Yeah, that's the one that proved that's the one that I was talk about right of that's I bought you might we for the virtual console and for Zelda and for you know the laundry list of other games and when I brought it home and that's what my mom wanted to play that's what we all play is this cool thing make this character And then when she found out that's bundled with the system right like that was it and that's why the attachment rate was so terrible on the Wii, is he had all these casual gamers flood the market to buy it and never need to buy a game.

Yeah, they essentially were buying the Wii Sports machine. It was one toy. Yeah, it was the Wii sports toy. Yeah. My first bundle was my first console ever, which was the Super Nintendo that came with Mario All Stars Plus World, which my favorite cart of all time. If I had to choose my favorite video game and it had to be one physical thing, it would be that. Because you get Mario 1, Mario 2, Mario 2 America, Mario 3. Mario 2 America and Mario World. Well, Mario 2, our Mario 2 is called Mario USA in Japan.

But it's, yeah, five great games. Yeah. Well, I lost levels. I don't know if it's a great game. It's a good game. It's just like a mod. It's like a wrong hack. But yeah, Wii Sports, that's a great point.

That's a really great point. And Wii Sports is the best selling game of all time because of that. So it's, you know, kind of tricky in that sense. But, yeah, that was the proving ground. At the same time, it was the reason why people bought the console and the attach rate ended up being abysmal and stuff like that. So it was kind of a blessing and it occurs. But I think it's a blessing for Nintendo in terms of their bank account because they have like

what, $15 billion plus dollars in cash on hand from the success of the we end the DS. Yeah, it's a nice point. That's a nice point. Yeah, but I think bundles generally, I don't know. Maybe it's just because I'm older and we have like, you know, we have disposable income now, which we didn't when we were kids. And maybe our perspective is just a little skewed because of that. But this is exciting and it's a zero.

It's kind of like it doesn't add any, any cost to it. It just gives you more value. so that's always nice. But is that going to get anyone to buy a PS4? I don't know. Maybe. I feel like everyone's played the last of us. Yeah, but there's people on the fence for sure who are waiting or not right.

You know what I mean? Like, they didn't know what they were getting into. They didn't want to jump into. They're waiting to see how it all pans out. Not to know that you get this amazing game right off the bat. I think it helps. Is Last of Us the right game for that, though? In terms of, I mean, here's the problem with PlayStation 4's lineup in general.

I don't think there's a title you can put in there that makes sense to everyone. Super Mario World. makes sense to everyone. We sports makes sense to everyone. My friend hit me up the other day and he's like my son, seven years old is getting into video games. What console would you recommend? And I was like, well, and I went through all of them. I'm like, I guess the Wii U, honestly. Because like they have two kids who are younger, or three actually now that are all going to come up and want to play stuff too. And it's the multiplayer machine and it's cutie for everybody and this, that and the other. And it's good. And he's like, oh, and it's good. Yeah, yeah. I'm not saying all that.

But I mean, the fact that Mario appeals to you all ages, right? Whereas I'm like, there's good games here and there's multiplayer stuff on PS4 but I'm thinking it's Tower Fall Ascension and it's bloody and it's got arrows and he's yeah that's not what you know we're gonna want to do and stuff and he was looking to future proof right like buy a console but it's like he's not an only child and he's not entering his teens anytime soon so it really seems like the Wii you would be the right way to go because I just can't wrap my head around coming up with a bunch of fun family friendly games for the PS4 or Xbox one that are ages seven and down you know what I mean and then even if you want to go up a couple years 10 and down like I just it was like

I don't know if that's the right investment for you guys. Yeah. So I think it's a little different these days where it's not so much that the game and console matter. I think that people use it more to sell different collectors editions of the consoles. And I think that started last gen, really, with Halo and stuff. And I think the Halo elite elite. So there's the elite one.

Yeah, for Halo 3. Yeah. But then there was the elite edition, the black Xbox 360. Right. And it's just like, I mean, even going back to N64, well, Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong 64 had the, The green and 64, the green, come on. The Pikachu one. Yeah, they had a bunch of them.

A lot of them. Yeah, yeah. Horrendous looking monstrosity. That's what both is cool and sucks about the industry, right? Is that like we jump on board, we're super excited, and then you know down the line there's going to be these amazing additions. I was going to look at the Xbox 360 Slim model that then they did the R2D2 one. Oh, yeah.

And it's like, man, I don't even care that much about Star Wars, but that is a dope system. I would love, you know what I mean? Like, that's really cool looking. And then, you know, now you're getting into it with like, we saw the PSU. for Dragon Slime or Dragon Quest Slime You know what I mean? That was like all right That's really really cool

Yeah it's awesome It's awesome Yeah your Frozen PS4 Yeah yeah So like my like Alfredo He loves Halo and I remember he all Every single time a new Halo would come out There'd be the new one he's like damn it

Yeah Like ah this sucks and I feel like now it's even more interesting Where with both Xbox 1 and PS4 There's the white versions with the bundles The Sunset Overdrive and the Destiny and it's just like That's great for the people that were on the fence because I think that is the game changer.

It's, oh, I was on the fence, and I get the new, cool, fancy one. Right, right, right, right. And, man, it's crazy how that works. When you have one, you want the other so bad. It's just like, that's crazy. Because most these people, when the Wii came out, they wanted the black one.

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And it's like, now it's like complete opposite. Why? Just because you had the other one. Oh, the consumer, and we're all consumers. We're all fickle. Yeah.

So, yeah, it goes that way. That's why I just don't get involved in the, and, like, with the PS, you know, that beautiful PS4 anniversary edition is awesome. But like, people are so excited about it. I was like, I don't know. That's fun. Like, I, like, and the interds are the same. I'm not like, you know, bringing people over.

You know, hey, check out my PS4. Isn't this great? That was the first, that was the first new console that I can think of where I was like, I will buy that. And then, of course, you know, I couldn't buy it. But I would have bought that one. I would have bought that one. Not to flip and sell, but just to have because I did like that one enough to be like

that. That's really cool. Yeah. You know what I mean? They're all cool. It's just like, you know, you put it, put the PS4 innards inside an Atari. I don't care. It's going to go on your entertainment shelf and you're not going to see the detail and deal these cool things with it.

But I was like, God, that's cool. What I wanted the most from it was just the boot up sound and they gave us that on all the other ones. So I was like, all right, I can deal with this. But I wanted that. I remember the day that it came out, I refreshed that page. I was up. There was like a four hour period of me trying to get that damn thing. You and everyone else in the frigging old.

Like, I didn't stop. PlayStation experiences just people wandering around looking at their phones. Like, it's in my cart, but I can't get it. Oh, man. That was hard. All right. Last topic for today. Now, this is an ever-evolving show. Right. So let us know what you think about it. We're trying to do something different than the Game Over Reggie show, which is each of us bring a topic. This is more just looking at the news and then trying to divide it up into four topics. What I want to try today is the last topic being a bunch of little little tidbits of news. So we need to talk about.

The light timning round. Hodge. Hodge. It's like light. I'm trying. It's trying. All right. I'll take it. So we're going to start off with news that I really care about. You know what? It's just call this section the news I care about. The news Timmy cares about. The Timening. Yes.

Kingdom Hearts 3 coming in 2015, according to Goofy. No way. There's no way in hell that game's coming out this year. So that's the thing. We've talked about this on the show two weeks ago, when I'm talking about the Games Works had for in 2015. And I named this game because, you know, they're pretending it's going to come out this year. Oh, they're pretending good.

They're doing a good pretend game here. Yeah, exactly. And I don't think it's going to happen. but it's crazy that they would let this happen where they'd somehow let a voice actor say this stuff that's the problem is you can't rein voice actors in you have so much going on with that game let alone a language barrier let alone by the time you get out to these voice actors

I totally get that what a it's like what who said what yeah all right they don't I mean they're not am I allowed to say what am I exactly yeah and that's why like when we were talking to Troy yesterday on the you know Colin Greig Live and then the Game Over Gregi show is I would have a question was like I don't know how much you can say on this Because I got to imagine for them it's incredibly hard to keep that straight. And it's so easy when you're at an event for someone, you're promoting one game and someone feeds you a question about another game. And it's like, has that been, I've asked questions before.

And I'm like, no, no, they talked about this here. And I have to like cite my sources that I already know this exists. Like, oh, okay, then this is the answer, you know? Yeah. And, you know, going from the other side of it, you know, we've been at IGN for so long, or we were at IGN for so long, that we get all this information. We know all this stuff. We talk about it day in and day out. And it's so familiar to us.

And then someone else will be in the room and we're talking about it. as if everyone knows. Right, right, right, right. And it's like, oh, man. Or there'll be some other things where everyone just assumes that we know everything, even though we don't. Yeah. You know, it's like, just because I work at IGN, I'm like,

I do not know the inner workings of what medium molecules. I mean, we know a lot of stuff, but yeah, it's, it's, it's hard for us to keep that out. It's not natural, for sure. And, like, this is weird because Square might be playing an interesting game here where the game's ready, but it doesn't, it doesn't make any sense. Like, that we've, this, square. is notoriously slow and Kingdom Hearts 3, there's just no way that game can come out this year.

It doesn't make any sense. Unless they've been making it in secret for four years, it doesn't make any, and they just have another team that no one knows about, like making it. Then I guess it's possible. The thing is that because of the language barrier and just the culture of Japanese game developers, like secrets are very well kept over there. But, you know, him saying stuff like, well, my voice acting is done like, of course it is. It should have been done like three years ago. That's like the first thing you do. the writer writes the game and you record the voices.

It's like when you... But they do come back for pickups a lot. That's true, but like the game's written, the game is recorded like a cartoon and then they animate and make the game, you know? Like, and it's like they make... Yeah, exactly. So it's like that's like a... If that's the reasoning, and I'm not necessarily saying that is the reason, but he does

bring that up, like that's not strong reasoning. Like the voices for the last ones were probably done. They did pickets I'm sure, but I'm sure they record all the mocha and stuff literally three years before the game came out. It's not like, you know, it's not like it's not like it's... That's like a monumental thing to cite to say, like, well, the game's coming out this year because my voices are dumb. Yeah. But he's also saying that that's what he's heard from other people.

And that's, you know, I'm like, it's funny because the square is set the stage for it by releasing, as we said, HG remix 1.5 and 2.5 in sequence to kind of bring everyone up to date on three. And it would be a little weird for three to not come out this year in the sense that the gap would be very big in that if they didn't release it. But like, who the hell is making in the game and where is it? Like, I don't understand that, you know, with the way the teams for Final Fantasy. and Kingdom Hearts 3 seem to be mixed up. And one game has to come out first. And they can work on both of them and neither of them will come out. As we've seen with verses.

I don't know. It's a weird. That's a weird story to me. Yeah, that's my thing is I have a feeling that neither are coming out this year. Oh yeah, I don't think so either. And they're just acting like both are. I mean, are they like, it's funny because what are we think they're doing that say that? Because this is kind of the way I've been interpreting it too when I've been talking to people.

Like, what are they doing to act like? they're coming out this year. You know, like, it's like, they've been so cagey about 15. Like, that game is so weird to me.

That game is so weird. It looks weird. It looks beautiful, but it looks like a weird game. It's been in development forever. They have new people on it, doing their thing. It's,

you know, it's on its way. But it's like, to me, they're just being, I don't think Squaring like acting like anything to me personally.

I think they're just like, they don't know. Things are doing stuff. It's common. 55%. 55%. Here's a phone, 1510,

if you wanted that. Yeah. And everybody's like, no, we don't want that. No, no, no, we don't want that stuff. Yeah, I still think next year is 15 and 2017 is King of Hearts. But it's... 2017. But it's...

I hate how accurate that might be. But I could be wrong. I said I could be wrong. I'm wrong about a lot of stuff. And I hope I'm wrong because I know people are really eager for that game. People seem way more eager for Kingdom Hearts 3 than Final Fantasy 15. Final Fantasy has worn out us welcome lately. Oh, putting out all these games and not for games people want.

Kingdom Hearts has been in limited supplies, so people are still into it. Well, no. It's the same thing with Kingdom Hearts. Hearts are putting out all these games and they're not the ones people want. Yeah, but the core, Core Kingdom Hearts games are the ones people want. Those 3DS or DS games even are, you know, 365 over two days, whatever. They're just trying to come up with as many different ways to not call it three as

humanly possible. The thing with that is people keep getting on me about this. I'm not saying those are bad games. I know, like, so many people enjoy them and the handful of them that I've played. I do like them. It's just, I want the story to progress and not just be like retreading similar ideas in the same worlds and stuff. did like, oh, this one's a dream and oh, this one's a card game.

And it's like, okay, give me the new stuff. Yeah, I think they finally got the message. But I think they got the message too late. And so that's why I don't think the game comes out this year. It would be incredible. I mean, incredible if a game of that scope, you assume, can be done this quickly by a team that is working on another game. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense.

All right, next up, guys, game changer, flappy bird coming to arcades. To arcades. To arcades. Everything's coming up. I mean, have you been to Dave and Busters? It's all iPhone games. Doodle jump and all this crap on there. And that's the weirdest thing is I remember back in the day arcades were a big deal.

That was the experience. That was the marquee experience. It's like what I'm always talking about with the movies, right? They'll be around. It'll just be different experiences there. Exactly. And it's, you know, especially there was in the early 90s arcades were huge. And then it kind of dipped off a bit.

But then there was like a resurgence with the peripherals with dance dance revolution, time crisis. The skateboarding game. We actually stand on the skateboarder. Right, right, right. I forgot what I was called. Top skateboard or something. Anyways, like those are the games. Like that was experiences you could not get at home.

Yeah. So you had to go to these places and do these things because DDR you can play on the stupid shitty mat, but like actually being there on the real metal. Yeah, yeah. It was different. It was good. The boxing game before we and all that stuff. Right. Those were stuff that were worth the dollar, you know?

But now it's like, all right, you know those games that you play on your iPhone all day? You get to pay to play them here. Right, right, right. Well, I guess you pay to play them on your phone too. Sure, but once usually. Yeah. And it's over. The thing is, you know, this all started from what I've seen with Guitar Hero.

Like the moment I saw Guitar Hero in arcades, I was like, all right. I mean, guitar freaks, that's been in there. Like, that was a staple in the late 90s, early 2000s. But even, I think Guitar Hero makes sense because there's a barrier to entry. You hear about Guitar Hero, you see somebody playing guitar here. You're like, I'd love to try Guitar Hero. You can go out and do it there, right? But Flappy Birds, like the 99 cent investment you should have made when it was out.

Guitar Hero, when it got to arcades, it was. guitar hero three. Yeah. So it's like you played it by that. You played it by now. So that was the beginning of the end. Well, arcades ended.

But that was like just the sign of like, all right, this is not going to go well for anything. The most interesting arcade game I've seen in years was the Star Wars Battle Pod. We saw at New York Comic Con where you got in and it's like that IMAX like kind of wrap around screen and there's air blown in your face.

And like it was a very Japanese experience. Because when I went to Japan and played some of their arcade games, it's like rumbling seats and air blown. your face and it's like oh i couldn't get this experience at home or on my phone or whatever but when yeah you walk in it's just one big button for doodle jamper like what the hell am i doing yeah i think this shows this kind of thing shows just the the lack of viability of an arcade generally that big publishers and developers have no interest with exception iqqa making that game uh of making new arcade games arcades are even closing prominent arcades even in japan are closing and it's rare to

see there's great places that have old arcade games and so like that but in other words for places that still somehow are holding on like Dave and Busters, that's what they have to do. They're not going to get new games from any worthwhile publishers and developers. So they have to go into these weird directions that are easily recognizable by people on dates in their early 20s. But like,

it's just another death throw of this industry, you know. I was recently, we were in L.A. and went to David Busters, and it was just like walking into a physical retail app store. Yeah. And it's just nuts. But the crazy thing about this, is this game is literally one big red button.

Yeah? And you just hit it. Tip, tip, tip, tip. You get tickets for it, though. Oh, cool. So good on them. Brian Albert should go and clean up. He was good for a little too good.

That Flappy Bird. We called him Flappy Bird. So we got two more quick things. Okay. One, GTA 5 PC version delayed to March 24th from January 27th. Sort it out. They say, are apologized for the slight shift in the date, but the game requires a few extra weeks of testing and polish to make it as good as it can be.

Moving a release date is never a decision we take lightly and a choice we only make when we know it's the best in the best interest of the game and our fans. Thanks everyone for your understanding and we assure you these few extra weeks will be worth it when the game does arrive in March. Good on them. Yeah, of course. Like this is one of those things where it's like, yeah, this sucks. But guess what? This game is going to last forever for you guys. It's just weird that there's so, like, when it happened for me, obviously, I'm a console fan voice.

So I was like, whatever. And like, big deal. Like, it's still not out. That's weird. And then like to see people flipping out, I'm like, are really, it was. Are this many of the people who are flipping out on Twitter really going to play this? Like you know what I mean? Like I know that there's a huge PC mod community.

Don't get you wrong. I am not saying that there aren't PC players. But I was seeing people I know who are heavily leaning console. People are like, oh my God. It's like it seems like you're just reacting. It's the internet. Everyone has to be angry about everything all the time. No, it's good.

I agree with you. Like in our patch heavy world, it's nice to see that. And I'm sure they'll still have a patch. But it's nice to see that they're taking the extra time. And I can't imagine how tired that team is. but like you know just working on that came over and over again forever but yeah with it's important that they get the PC port right

because it's the one that's going to live the longest and so for sure right right right so it's really really essential that they they get it right with that and I think they know that that PC gamers are I think the hardest to please that's nothing wrong with that and that the mod community with Grand The Auto is going to be huge and that the game must be polished nothing wrong with that at all so just wait a few weeks well who cares Yeah, they released some screenshots of it too

And it's just like, oh man, this is pretty Yeah, this is damn pretty But yeah, so it's most important for the mods And the people are going to be playing for you Is because of that Another story about mods, Metal Gear Solid, Ground Zero's Got a first person mod last week What was that noise?

And you just played the whole game in first person And it just changes how the whole thing works And all that stuff And I just love that, I love that, you know, people were really into it People liked it and enjoyed it a lot That's awesome, that you can just take a game and completely change the perspective. It's cool.

Does it break it like Twin Snakes? Yes. It's cool. Like to me that's weird because Metal Gear is a third person game. So it's, and that will always be a third person game to me. Like I don't, I need to see Snake.

I'm not Snake. Like, you know what I mean? Like it's, first person's a perspective that was designed to immerse you and make you feel like you maybe are that character. You're seeing through that character's eyes,

but I never played Metal Gear and thought I was seeing through anything but watching Snake. Because I'm not cool enough to be Snake. Yeah. Or whoever, big boss or whoever. Like, I'm not cool. You can pull off Batman.

I could. I would love to pull off Batman, but it's, you know, in other words, Metal Gear was always a whirl that I wasn't immersed in as much as I was enjoying watching. It's like a movie. Yeah, exactly. That's one of the reasons I love so much. Yeah, like they even have to cry. I mean, it's always been made to be a movie.

Those are games like that that are cinematic experiences, that uncharted last of us. I don't want to be, ever try to be. I honestly probably love Call of Duty way more if the story mode was, you know, if the campaign was third person. First Person does lose me a lot. I have a really hard time connecting with First Person. in games. Now something cool to think about here, though, is first person was added to GTA 5.

Right. So now the mods are going to be able to do first person GTA, crazy mods and stuff. So that's going to be pretty interesting. You're going to be pretty interesting. You're going to play it? No. Of course not. You're just going to like to see the screenshots and see what's happening.

Yeah, I know, I'm happy that, you know, people, that's not a PC guy at all. But you're a defender of the Wii U tablet. So yeah, you are not a PC guy. Exactly. Not, not at all. Anyways, thank you. Coolest dudes. Hey.

Thank you, Tim. Thank you for watching. And thank you for going to iTunes and subscribing to this and watching it on YouTube or going to patreon.com slash kind of funny games to support this show. Until next time, I'm Tim Geddes. It's Colin Moriarty. It's Greg Miller. That's Portillo.

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