Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - NX and E3 Rumors - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 55

Episode Date: February 5, 2016

Let's discuss all of the recent NX rumors, E3 has some big changes coming, we share our Pokemon memories, and which game turned us into gamers? (Released on Patreon 01.29.16) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up guys? Welcome to the first ever episode 55 of The Kind of Funny Games cast as always on Tim Getty's joined by the coolest dudes in video games Colin Moriarty and Greg Miller looking damn fine in that shirt Look at my little smearface. My let toast Tim host let toast let toast let toast Tim shirt What are you doing? Use this rag and wipe my phone down with the water. I just board on the table if that's right with you It's okay. It's a weird move even for you all of a microfiber Yeah, cloth that you wet Mm-hmm.

You're a weird person, Colin. This is what gave it away? This is it. This moment right here. I mean, because I would never think you would do this. Because you're so sensitive about your microfiber clots. Why wouldn't I, when I open water? I don't know.

What's the water's I don't know. What's the water? This fucking smart water. Is it smart water? Did you refill that? He's been refilling. Yeah. Classic call and move.

Well, because, you know, I usually refill like the arrowhead bottles, which are fine. But when you go to the airport, I've been on an airplane 14 times in five weeks. It's true, 14 times. I get the fine water bottles, the smart water bottles. I love smart water. Or Napa Farms. And these bottles have a lot of size and strength.

And they're quality bottles, man. So I can use the bottle. Fisci. Do you got the fishy in there? No, you got some other shit. It's a monkey. Why the fuck's there a monkey in the water? Collect them all.

Monkeys drowning. Monkey think, monkey do is what it says. He's a monkey and he's drowning slowly. Drounding? Oh, that's awesome. I hate it. I hate Arrowhead. I hate Arrowhead with a fucking passion.

It's all just bottled water. No, not Arrowhead. Except Fiji's the shit. I don't like Fiji either. But Arrowhead is the real nasty nasty shit. I just can't even handle it. Smart Water's good. Dissani's good.

Dissani's good. All the safe way and whatever brands, those are great. D'Sni, it's McDonald's water. Yeah, like it has a little... When you open it, I don't like that. It's that good, good.

I love Desani. Yeah, it is coke water. Yeah, Arrowhead sucks. I don't like you. I want Poland Springs, but we can't get that here. Mowlin Springs. The fuck's happening. Things are falling over there.

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This is Tim on another level. This is Tim on between beard, Tim. Leave your comments down below and what you think about. Evil Tim. We're talking about the Nintendo NX. X's going to give it to you. So there's been a lot of rumors lately.

And Colin, you brought this to my attention that we haven't talked about it formally. I feel like we talk about NX so much. I was saying, no, we should hold off on it. But then I thought about it. It's actually been quite a while since we really kind of delved deep into Yeah, well, there are significant new rumors.

And there's a bunch of shit. I actually, I looked at a couple articles, and I'm going to read them to you guys. Thank you. We'll discuss them. Story time, everybody. If you guys are familiar with Colin and Greg Live, I'm going to do my best Colin impression.

That's not true. I'm just going to read. Read aloud like anyone else. All right. Alex Osborne over at IGN says, a pair of Nintendo NX related reports have surfaced offering a handful of potential clues as to what the company has planned for its next console.

According to a post on Twitter by the Wall Street Journal reporter, Takashi Something, Nintendo's next console may work with other devices, including PC, smartphones, and most interestingly, other consoles like PlayStation 4. Hells to the year! Yeah, and if you look at the little document, it actually also says Xbox 1, but that's okay. Additionally, an apparent survey from GFK, the client of Nintendo, has serviced online by way of Twitter user Liam Robertson providing new details about Nintendo and X. In addition to mentioning connectivity between a handheld and console unit, the survey also highlights an achievement-based system 4K-slash-6,000,000, fps video streaming and quote gameplay graphics that run in 900 p at 60 fps.

According to the rest of the survey provided by Twitter user Emily Rogers, Nintendo's console may have a free online service as well as a subscription option that includes more features for a yearly slash monthly fee. Backwards compatibility is also mentioned as the survey gauges interest in the ability to rent or purchase old games digitally, as well as support for previously owned digital and physical media. Oh yeah. The second part of the survey also mentions a subscription-based game service that offers access to a library of over 150 titles that are changed regularly with new games added to the catalog six to 18 months after their release.

The remainder of the survey compares various price options, hard drive configurations, and more across an array of different game platforms, including NX, Xbox 1, PS4, and other stuff. And other stuff. Yeah. There's also rumors people are talking about there being an event before E3 that kind of announces the system.

I 100% agree with it. And like blows that out and then E3 is the real like, you know, let's look at the games. And then there's also rumors, not rumors. There was interviews where people were talking about Metroid Prime, and they're like, is Metro Prime going to come to Wii? Because there was going to be a big Wii game announced. Not big, but core Wii U game announced.

People are like, is it finally going to be Metroid? And they're like, no, if a Metroid Prime was to be made, it would take three to four years to be made, and it would be for the NX. Because as Reddy said, we know what you want. We know what you want. We know what kind of Metro game you want. We're not ready to give it to you yet, but X will give it to you. He didn't say that part.

But you're thinking it, though. They're waiting for you. for that. They'll do the little event first and then at E3. DMX is going to come out. DMX ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, still on the Nintendo Direct. So what do you guys think about this? There's so much of it I want to believe, so much of it

I don't believe in all these different things. It's a survey. Surveys all the time are red herrings, this, that, and the other. I don't, it's, it was interesting to see how far these rumors made it based on just a survey. You know what I mean? We didn't talk about it. There was a rumor going around of possibly having the

handheld version of the handheld component of the NX out this fall and then the console component out next year sometime which would be so stupid and you hope that doesn't happen. I hope it does just going to be funny. But I want them to succeed so I hope they don't want that going. We're team

NX here. The connectivity between the PC makes sense. You know what I mean? We've seen that before with the consoles communicating with PCs and doing that the other the console to console connection is interesting. I don't know what the hell that would be if it's just reading, I don't even know, you know what I mean?

Because it's not like you're linking them up. Like, you know, Windows makes it so easy to link up all these different devices and see other computers on this network and do, blah, it's something like that, but I don't know what you're using it for then. Yeah, I mean, that's the part that makes the least sense to me because I just don't, I can't even wrap my head around what that could mean. Because right now, yeah, you can, you know, look up Nintendo account stuff on your PS4. Does that count?

Like, where, where's the line drawn of connectivity and what that actually means? And I think what would be insane is if this Nintendo server, was available on other systems. Yeah. And that is kind of what they're semi hinting at here. But again, it is just a survey. So who knows what that means? That'd be a huge success for Nintendo, you know,

to be able to have the NX service on these real consoles. Hell yeah. That'd be amazing. But I mean, I don't know. Like that's, that would make NX succeed enough for me to make NX. I love you, XOXO, XO, a weekly podcast. That'd be amazing where I get to talk about Nintendo stuff. That'd be awesome if you did just call that.

It would be great. What do you think, Colin? Like, what do you think the connectivity between the things could be? I don't know. When I saw that, I agree that, you know, this is weird based on, you know, it's not all, it's at first of all, it's not all based on survey information. There are people that are very trusted Emily Rogers, for instance, is a super trusted Nintendo source.

So, like, people that are talking about this are talking about it from, I think, a place of a little bit more, I don't want to say, like, insider information necessarily. It's similar to how, like, Greg and I know a lot of things are true that we can't talk about, but sometimes we talk, like, more confidently about the things that could happen. because we know they're true. So like I wonder if if there's something to that when someone from Wall Street Journal is talking about his connections telling him this this is the other thing and then there's the survey and then Emily Rogers who you said Emily Rogers was one of the people you brought up right who has broken many things about

Nintendo in the past. So I just wonder like how far some of these these rumors actually go. To me when I first heard the PS4 thing I'm like that's really brilliant it's basically like middleware almost between like the e-shop and like these platforms and maybe even PlayStation and Microsoft announced that they'll run this sort of Nintendo program. It'll be an app you can get. But I don't think that's what it is. I think at the very least what it probably is something like what Rocket League does which is talks to

PC and PS4 at the same time and I'm wondering if like they just have all this information saying like we're not going to close the console off to communicating with other consoles but we still have to play the NX itself to play NX games or whatever because I just don't see that they're going to because if what if what they're saying is true, then it's basically just them just going third party and what the hell is

NX at all. It doesn't make any sense. It's basically just like EA access or something like that where you have like this this subscription model. So I just, I'm, I was excited to see more information about NX, but then I was disappointed because I'm like, this just makes it even more convoluted. Like the waters are even muddy. Like I just don't, I just don't know like what all this means. But I do think that some of it or maybe even all of it is true in some sense. We just don't know like to the degree of like how true it is because you can say like, EA has a subscription thing on Xbox one. The NX could just be a

similar thing again having that on its own console and maybe it has a game like Rocket League that will just talk to the other consoles too instead of really closing themselves off because Nintendo obviously always has this very closed off ecosystem. So I think that we could either be reading way too much into it or we might not be reading enough into it. Yeah. Well something

that I think is interesting is the fact that they say that new games will be added to the catalog 6 to 18 months after their release. So a possible option would be that the old games, the Mario original trilogy on NES and like Super Nintendo games and N64 games, whatever, those could be subscription service playable to everybody, but the point of having the NX is kind of like our Patreon model,

where if you want it early, if you want to play the new game when it comes out, you need the NX. But if you wait 18 months or whatever, then you can get it in another place. Yeah, that idea is like suicidal, though. I hope that that's not what it is because it's the Tomb Raider effect, right? Like, Tomb Raider didn't really seem to push any Xbox ones

and it didn't sell very well because people are excited to play it, But the reason Square and Microsoft wanted to keep it quiet that it was coming at PS4 is because like no one, like if you just have to wait a year to play Tomb Raider and you have all these other games to keep you distracted, are you going to need the hardware at all? So if Mario Galaxy 3 comes out or whatever and it's on NX and you have the way to wait a year

to play it on PS4 through some sort of subscription service, how many people are just going to be like, all right? I'll wait. I think the easier way to go would be that the NX is what we're talking about this app, right? Let's think it's on Xbox 1, PS4 or whatever, would be everything backwards, right? Where, yeah, you're getting windowed content.

Maybe it's even like PlayStation Plus in a way, right, where it's like, let's say you have the NX and you see there's this, so there's the NX console in this, I'm just going to call it the NX app, right? The NX app could give you on PlayStation and Xbox a random selection that you're subscribed to. And so for like three months, right, all these Nintendo games are on there. But then at the three month mark, they go away unless you're playing on NX, right? And I'm talking about old stuff, classic games, S&ES. Well, that's kind of what it said here.

It's said that they're going to cycle through the games and stuff. But what I'm saying is that's only old stuff. Like you're not going to see Metroid Prime NX. console game ever over here on any part of this. Well, so that's the thing when it says with new games added to the catalog six to 18 months after their release implies that it is new games. I don't think that means new

old games because that says 150 titles that are changed regularly with new games added to the catalog six to 18 months after. But that's the, I mean, I read that as regular meaning weekly, monthly, it's changed out, and then the new games are added

way later, you know? Yeah, I mean, this is This is, it's exciting because if it is what it sounds like it could be, then this is a truly, this is a truly radically different Nintendo. But you have to but if it is what it seems like it's going to be, then why are they making hardware at all? So it's, it's, um, I still think that they're, like, they're talking about like the

games running in 900p, like the game, is the system is that weak? That's like the one thing. That's the one thing that, that, and I have, I'm not one of these resolution people. I don't, I don't give a fuck. Like, it's fine. I don't care. It can look at an NES game. Is it fun? That's really all that matters. But when I heard that, I'm like, Jesus, like my conjecture, although kind of radical, considering Nintendo's consoles have always been kind of weak, compared to some of their contemporaries for the most part. I thought that they would be smarter than doing something like that because this sounds like a system that's actually quite weak. We talked about this on Colin and Greg Live, and that was a sticking point for me, too.

But the thing to keep in mind is this being a survey, that's such a random number, 900P at 60 FPS. There's no way that that's just the standard, that everything is going to be 60 frames. for second and 900 FPS you look at Wii you and so many games are 900 FPS now or 900 P and then there is ones that are 1080p some are 60 some or 30 whatever so it's like it's weird that even call that out especially when they call out video at 4k 60 FPS video streaming like that just means like not everything's going to be that yeah it just seems like that i be the standard I mean that that was that was the huge problem with Xbox one which is that it was it seemed like it was having a hard time running games at 60 frames at 1080p so um you have to scale back resolution

to get the games running at a solid frame rate Nintendo might just be trying to hit a benchmark for all the games. But I don't really know because that shit, I just don't even care because that's like not that. That's not important to me. It just tells me that why would they say that if that wasn't going to be some sort of important. Yeah. I mean, it is weird.

And it's also weird that they call it gameplay graphics that run at 900P. Like it's that whole sentence to me reads as like there's something that we don't understand about that. Because that's weird. There's no reason that 900p would be like, well, we couldn't make it's 1080. So we're just going to 900. That's what we're just going to say. Unless they're owning that. They're like, we're not getting $1080.

And it's going to be like the Xbox thing. But Xbox kind of made it sound like it was. So there was always those shifty things. But at least if Nintendo comes out, it's just like, it is what it is. That's what you're getting. There's just a lot of questions beyond just the technical ramifications of what they're doing in terms of if there is a subscription service. And it does run on these consoles, which remains to be seen if that's what they really mean. I just don't know if that's what they really mean.

It can't be. If that's the case. It just doesn't make sense. Yeah, it doesn't. And so I want to be clear about that. I don't know if that's not that. That's the part that's most dubious. But if that's the case and like what is the, what is the play?

Like, are there achievements and trophies on these games? How much does it cost to- That, I know, endemic to Nintendo. But if they're going to put something on PS4, then their achievement system's not going to work. And I'm sure, and Sony's not going to, like, you know, let Mario Galaxy be played and you're going to earn Nintendo achievements, but not trophies. Like, that's just, they even did that to their PS2 games to, like, unify everything. there's just a lot of weird questions, which is why I think that that's not what they mean.

Yeah, I'd love to be at Nintendo right now watching them react to these rumors. You know, the stuff leads. It's just like, why did you put out this survey? Why would you say that? Why would you phrase it this way? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And their partners are, you know.

Yeah, but I mean, if the other exciting thing is that if it is what they mean, and they are going to have some sort of Nintendo subscription service that just plays old games on the other consoles, which I think would be shrewd. That'd be awesome. Maybe shrewd, but maybe not, depending on the reality of how long people want to wait

and what games are on their, on their subscription service, then you have to wonder what kind of conversations they had with the platform holders, because if that's the case, and this is just a radically different Nintendo with a radically different idea, and it's a Nintendo that's swallowing its pride, which I think they should have done by just announcing that they're not doing hardware at all.

Or at least a handheld, maybe, but not a console. What this sounds like to me is, you can't judge it based on the rumors, because we just don't know what it is. We don't know what's true and what's not, but what this sounds like compared to the rumors about Project Cafe, for instance, or Revolution or Dolphin, is, you know, I remember hearing about dolphin and revolution and, you know, waggle and all this

kind of stuff. It was kind of easy to wrap your head around. This sounds convoluted as hell. And if these rumors are true, man, like they need to simplify and it sounds like they're not simplifying. Like to Greg's point, the idea or the rumor, and it's just conjecture, but the rumor that they're going to release the handheld component first and the consoleator is like one of the, if they fucking do that, that is the stupid. That is stupid. Just wait. You know, just don't release anything until it's all ready. And I, I still don't believe it's coming out this year, like any of it. But, Because it just seems so sudden. All the rumors point to it, though.

I mean, that's the thing, like, looking through a bunch of different sources. All the analysts, all the, like, rumors stuff. It all leads to this year. It just seems sudden. I'll tell you why. Because, so PS4, for instance, was revealed in February of 2013, and it came out in November. So there was a 10-month gap or so, nine-month gap even. But Orbis was rumored for a long time before that.

And we had specifics about Orbis. And you'll remember that I was one of the people that broke the story of the controller, you know, through our sources, whatever, and the light bar and all that kind of stuff when I was on IGN. That story leaked and I was the one, and no one thought it was real. And then I was the one to talk to some people

and figure out that it was. So we had like some, in other words, if this thing's coming out, then everyone has it. You know, and no one's saying anything about it. It's easy to get out of Ubisoft, like the Assassin's Creed game that's coming out in tears, but no one's talking about this hardware that they have.

I just, I do believe that people abide by their NDAs. I mean, obviously, everyone does. I mean, people like PS4s and Xbox ones as well, but people did leak a lot of information about that kind of stuff. And so I just wonder how proliferated the console really is and if it's really going to be ready to go in the fall. And I would rather Nintendo just take their time and do it right and burn a little bit of cash then,

just try to rush to market something that already seems like it's going to have a significant uphill battle against its competition anyway. So I don't know. We'll see what happens. It's super exciting because we're not going to get hardware from Microsoft or PlayStation for, you know, quite a while. Quite a while with the exception 2019 or 2020. So it's cool to have like an interstitial console, but I will say that these consoles that come out Yeah, in the middle of cycles dream cast

It doesn't it doesn't work out So yeah, I mean, I'm definitely I'm definitely hoping what's crazy to me is the fact that we're getting hardware and this is something different like the fact that it is a Handheld console hybrid what the hell does that even mean like we've wrapped our head around. Oh, that's what it's going to be and and all that stuff, but I still can't fathom what that looks like in an actual real, you know, scenario where these games are coming out and stuff. Maybe the hardware is something where it is, the NX app is the whole crux of the entire thing.

And maybe there's no discs at all. And maybe it is totally a, yeah, you're playing on PlayStation or Xbox or PC or whatever it is. But then you figure the thing would be like, and this is just in the weeds, totally crazy. It won't happen. But like the, what would make you buy the NX, right? If you're already playing the NX games or app or whatever.

whatever you want to call it, right? And why is it 900 and not this? Maybe it is the hook and why we're talking about, you know, this handheld versus then the console coming later is the fact that the hook is the handheld, right? That you buy this machine and it's got the app dialed in if you have Wi-Fi and you can play all your Nintendo games there. And there's going to be a console component that's basically the receiver that puts it onto your TV at some point. Yeah. You don't want to wait, you know, if you, right now you could buy this and have this portable device that goes anywhere with you, or you can play, you know, a selection of the games with these limitations on your Xbox on your PlayStation to see if you like it or don't care, then you get hooked into buying

the thing, and then the console comes out and you are playing it that way off onto your big screen TV. And that'd be why the resolutions dialed down, right? I don't think the handheld's going to. That's what I'm saying. That makes more sense to me in terms of like having the hybrid console thing, of like just the system not being what we typically think of as a hardware console thing. It's going to be something different and new.

Or it's not. Or it is just going to be the Wii you again. And then, oh, but instead of the game pad being tethered, you can bring at other places. Like that would then be the only difference. And maybe there's apps and stuff places. And, you know, so it's, you're right. Like, they need to, like, make a big change and a big move to be able to actually do anything differently. Or else it's just going to be the same weird experimental mistakes over and over.

Yeah. If the reliance is on other hardware, then I think they're making the right play. And if the reliance is on the other hardware, the more fascinating part about it is Microsoft and Sony already know. Mm-hmm. And that's even more interesting. And what's even more interesting, even though it's said the rumor says all the concepts. is that they just chose one of them. Now, like, if I were, if I were then,

that's exactly what I would have done. And I would have went with Microsoft. If I were them simply because of the bad blood between them and Sony going back many years. So it's, it's, although that's perceived, who knows that they even do. Right, yeah. How many people were still in the organization?

Because Nintendo really did fuck Sony. And then Sony really did fuck Nintendo. So, with their own device, basically. Everybody's fucking. But it's, it's interesting to think about the strategy, behind NX in terms of they Nintendo and I've said this before I know it bothers some people but Nintendo's audience is shrinking

it's demonstrable it's obvious and like the play has to be more than just another Nintendo console or it will fail so because it was not enough it was not enough to get anyone to care about it and some people cared but you know what he means

you know it's supposed to be successful and financially vital we sold 103 million units or something like that and the Wii you will be lucky to hit 12 million There's something How many did GameCube sell? 24. There's something significantly wrong with that situation.

GameCube is considered, I love GameCube, except for the NES. It might be my favorite Nintendo console. And that was considered a miserable failure. And it sold twice as many, more than twice as many units

as the Wii U. So they're trailing and tracking in the wrong direction and the same thing's happening with 3DS. It's not as pronounced, but it's actually like a, you know, DS, DS, DSLite,

DSI, 150, 152 million units, DS 3DS, 50 million or so. So it's, it's they need to figure out how to make a big splash. And honestly, it seems like the strategy should have been and might be to just go with the other guys in some way that still lets you have this like proprietary Nintendo feel where you have to boot up this thing. That's Nintendo.

But it's on PS4 and it's on Xbox One. And these companies are so excited about the fact that they're going to get Nintendo games on the console. So let them do whatever the fuck they want. Yeah. And enable trophies and enable achievements and have Xbox Live and PSN functionality and all that kind of stuff. That's what I get most excited about. But it's just that's just too good to be true. This is Nintendo.

And they don't make choices like that. But it is a new Nintendo and a different Nintendo. A lot of really set in a motion, a different kind of feel with the mobile games and DNA and all these kinds of things. So I just want to see how this all shakes out. The more conjecture there is, the more frustrating it becomes. As the thing of the thing about it, right, let's say the handheld console thing, that's real. What we're talking about is real? And that's the hook to it, right?

The app is it going to be on this? You get to play them that way. Great. But you can buy this thing that's a handheld and we'll one day be a console, right? if that's the case then theoretically you don't have Nintendo's going to become

their own developer own publisher like onto other platforms right so that hardware doesn't necessarily have to be out in the wild in that many spots is Ubisoft really making a thing for the NX to get their game on to no like you know what I mean this would be Nintendo's device

to play Nintendo games or to play Nintendo games on their app at which point the handheld slash console is locked behind closed doors in Tokyo and nobody is going to talk about it or do anything until it comes out because you don't need to get it in the hands of developers. If NX is a console or a hybrid of some sort, which it probably is,

and there's no meaningful new game functionality on the other consoles, and it's for Nintendo games only the thing's going to fail. I'm just saying that right now. No one's, like, it's going to be even worse than the wheel. So, like, they, they can't do that. They just can't create a system to play just Nintendo games. They just did that, and it did not sell. Nothing on that console resonated with a large group of people.

A lot of those games sold them. one, two, three, four million copies. A game like Mario Card seems to have like a one, a two to one, uh, uh, attach rate, which is huge. But predictably, it didn't really move units. Splatoon didn't really move units. Smash didn't really move units. It's, Nintendo fans are buying the Nintendo console and there are fewer and fewer of them as you go

along. So they need to figure out, I hope that's not true because they might as well not even bother. If that, if that's the case. But I mean, if they do that, that they get that those millions plus all of the other shit from the other things. And all of a sudden, like maybe that's worth it, you know, like just getting old.

Nintendo games. You figure it's Trojan horse in a way, right? Nintendo makes Super Mario X or whatever, right, for NX, and it's awesome. You're playing on your PS4 and you're having great time. You're like, man, this is cool and I'd love to play this on the road or that on the road and da-da-da-da-da. And like that's because that's the other thing is like the NX hardware. Let's say they're selling it by itself to begin with and it's super cheap. It's $99.99, right, to have this controller device that is Wi-Fi enabled and uses the app and that's a

dot-da-da-da. You put in not, you know, you put in memory cards, but not like proprietary memory cards. you're putting in, you know, regular memory storage, like SD cards that we're using. I mean, that's all too good to be true. But I hope, I hope. And the only reason I even allow myself to go down that, that tunnel of believing is that when these, when the NX was first announced, it was like, Wii U 3DS. There was those like circles and all the stuff. Then NX was like a weird other thing.

So it's like, it's clearly going to be different. It's not just a console and it's not just a handheld. And it might not even be even just a hybrid. Like it's something new and something different. and it probably has to do with the cloud and all this shit. So I don't know. I hope my most, the thing I'm looking forward to most is E3

and seeing what they do there. But now here's the question. Do you think there's going to, so what about the event? Is there going to be the event you think? Because that's what we've been predicting and we are getting close to where that would have to be. PlayStation's event was in February.

Xbox's was March, May. Okay, I remember. I think it was in May or April. It was a couple months after. I hope that they don't say anything until either. They just say we're back at E3. We'll see at the conference. Yeah.

I don't agree with the need to to show it and then let people marinate on it. It can't be that revolutionary. The like you just show it just go to E3 and just show everyone we have. I think that would be way more exciting and way cooler and like way more just make a bigger splash. Everyone goes in and they really keep their mouth shut and no one knows what the hell's happening. I think that's fucking awesome at E3 as opposed to like well we know what NX is and now we see the games like eh. Yeah. We I think I have a pretty good idea where your games are.

That's not what's as exciting. Bomber man. It's not what is as exciting. as the initiative behind what they're doing. And if we go in and we don't even know what the fuck the console is and is it a hybrid, is it a console, is it a handheld, is it a service? Like, when you have no, you just have a bunch of questions and nothing leaks. That's more exciting.

Let's transition over to topic two. E3. How E3 is changing. This is sparked by an article by Jason Shrier over at Kotaku. Electronic Arts is essentially skipping E3 this year, pulling out of the trade show in favor of their own events in Los Angeles and London that will be open to the public. Rather than hosting an E3 press conference and putting up a big flag,

booth for trade show attendees. The publisher will hold an event called EA Play that will run from June 12th to June 14th at Club Nokia in Los Angeles, which is like a block away from E3. Yeah, it's right across street there. And they also plan to hold a one-day event on June 12th at the Mermaid Event Center in London,

which sounds awesome. I don't know where that is. It's underwater. Anyway, anyone who wants to attend either event can sign up for more information on the website. EA still plans to hold a press conference, they say, and it's likely we'll see news and trailers from much-hide games like Mass Effect andromeda and the Vistral Develops Star Wars,

but instead of their traditional sports, about on Monday afternoon. They're going to hold the press conference on Sunday at EA play. Blah, blah, blah. They say a whole bunch of other stuff. What do you guys think about this? Fascinating. You know what I mean?

We talk about all the time over in publisher hall. When you walk in there, it's EA is like the biggest one. And it takes up all this space. And there's usually a break in the middle of it. Like, because it's that big. There's so much happening there. So that's going to be a huge hole to fill over there. And then you start wondering.

I was like, well, and the question is, well, can they fill it? Of course they can, but are they going to stretch themselves thin? Who all do they let in? How do they do that? You know what I mean? And what does this mean? Are they like the canary in the coal mine of these big companies waking up to the fact of like, we really don't need E3.

We should go make our own event. We should have a Bethesda kind of thing. I mean, I personally, I think this is the best call they could have made. Like owning your own event is the best thing to do. Having fans in the room reacting to the press conference stuff, that's way more important than having, you know, us there. They'll be there. We'll be there.

Exactly. If people who want to be there, we'll be there. But it's way more important. important than just having people that are just there to just critique and just whatever. Like, you want the, the excitement. You want the video clips of people being excited about your products, because then the journalists and stuff, we'll just watch that and they'll see that. And also the moms and stuff or whoever the hell the target audience is to get excited. Well, USA Today still going to write about it. And they'll get out before, they'll be in the paper before getting buried by what,

because it's always been the thing, right? It's like, all right, it's press conference day. It's Gevisoft, it's EA, it's Microsoft, it's Sony. I'm like, right? Like, we're excited for Microsoft and Sony, and the rest, it's all like, oh, that's cool. What are you going to do? But whatever, like, you're, you're buried on Tuesday's newspaper, whereas Monday morning, you get, I mean, because let's face it, I think that Sunday night, they come out, they're going to do this whole thing, and they're going to fucking come out and they're going to be like, this is fucking Mass Effect Adromeda. It's out this fall. It's very, it's very much the fallout.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, Sunday, who knows who else is going to be there this year, like, if anyone else is going to move, move to that. Oh, sure. I just think that this is very similar to Nintendo thing. Me and you disagree about the directs, but I don't think Nintendo needs to be at E3 to still be at E3 in the eyes of millions. Like, that's exactly what they're doing.

They're actually going to be right there, but they don't need to actually be inside the building to be part of E3 and be part of that buzz and be part of the announcements. And a press conference is a fucking press conference no matter what way you spin it. Even if it's a Nintendo direct, it's still a fucking press conference.

All the shit is the same. So it's just information being given. And I think that, they're made a great move. And in terms of the space on the floor, I mean, that room is EA and Activision, just taking over the whole thing

in the same way. The other room is Sony or PlayStation and Xbox, just taking over everything. Nintendo actually usually is a bit. Oh, and Nintendo's big-ass one, yeah. You take out EA, it's still super crowded over there. Like Activision spoutes just going to be

even more of a distraction than previous years, I think. Yeah, I think that, I thought about this a little, bit since we talked about on Colin and Greg Live today. One thing I forgot about, you know, candidly say is that, like, EA's press conferences are typically pretty bad. So, like, nothing of real value has been lost by them, not being 83. Like, they show Andromeda and all these kinds of things,

but they also show, I remember last year's conference, it's fucking awful. Is that what, is last year's Pele when they brought up Pele? Yeah, it was terrible. Like, and they were like, they came out and literally said, let's talk about and literally said, let's talk about mobile games. And everyone was like, oh, I, like, we were with GameSpot in the, in their war room, and the audible moan, like, like, oh, like, this company is just so corporate in so many ways.

Like we don't, I just don't find their, I don't find many of their properties that exciting. So I just don't find their press conferences that exciting. Unless they show like a new dead space and they'll obviously show mass effect, which is exciting. But like I don't, I like Madden and FIFA is very popular and all that kind of stuff.

But I don't need to see this shit and all that. And all that kind of stuff. So I, from like a gamer's perspective from, from my own personal taste perspective, I don't really care that they're not going to be there. But I do think it says a lot about the way they look at E3. and I think it says a lot about

candidly about the waning influence of mainstream games press that attend E3 EA made a calculation that it's more important for them to you know the big thing about this is they're letting in anyone so E3 is still like this trade show

that's easy enough to like get in if you want apparently I've always been there with with big outlets but apparently you like can have a blog or whatever you got a blog yeah you got a YouTube champ but like their calculation is like they would rather just have their own thing deal directly with gamers and more people have tastemakers, word of mouth, buzz, and then just know that the press is going to have to cover their games anyway,

then just go to E3 and isolate themselves from that group of people because I just think that they realize that with the rise of YouTube and the rise of Twitch and the rise of social media with just people with just a few thousand Twitter followers going to have great influence over the purchasing decisions of hundreds of people that trust them. Yeah, I mean, really, that's it. It's having 1,000 or 3,000 people in a room

that are all going to tweet whatever hashtag you tell them to tweet is more important for you. than 10 people tweeting about it and probably making some snarky joke. Yeah, so I do think, I think that this says a great deal about the direction that the industry is going in,

as much as it says about EA's own calculations and EA's own roster of games. I think that there's much to be right into this because I did not expect it. EA, in fact, I was telling Greg was like the last company I would expect to let go of E3. So if they're willing to do it,

what is Ubisoft going to do? Like next year in Activision and all these companies, do they need to be there anymore? And they're like, once everyone starts pulling out does E3 even exist anymore? Is E3 even as important as it was? Because it definitely

was on the wane for a while and then it came back. I mean, it seemed like it was becoming stronger again. And I personally have been to many E3s and I think this will be my 10th this year. And I don't like going and I don't think it's that fun or that interesting. It's more fun to just read about things and watch videos from home that is to be there. And with the proliferation of social media and getting videos out there and just live streaming and going on Twitch and just doing whatever you want and Nintendo Direct's type stuff, but other companies can do that.

I think that like the whole nature. of these trade shows is going to change, at least for trade shows that are sealed off from mass audiences, games conferences, is going to be fine and probably will grow because anyone can go. But E3 either has to change the way it approaches games or hope that EA is like not the canary in the coal mine, but just a one-off kind of, you know, someone trying something.

I mean, Nintendo even, I think that they kind of started a nice trend with Nintendo World Championships last year of, all right, E3 is happening and normal people can't get in, but normal people could go to the same place that EA is doing their thing now and wait in line and get in. and see something and be part of this event and get announcements. I mean, the Nintendo World Championship was essentially like a mini press conference for Nintendo before they're direct where they made announcements and they showed off Mario Maker and made it

look fucking awesome. Yeah. Like that sold Mario Maker so much because before it was just like, all right, that's fine, that's cool they're doing it. But that was like, oh, that's what you can do with this game. And I hope that more people do it because E3 to me, I don't give a shit if it's in one building or 10 as long as there's a week where everyone is trying to work. one up each other in battle and have that.

And more and more people are going to start to back out to do their own things. But I don't think those are mutually exclusive. Like we've seen it with Sony. How many goddamn press conferences did they have last year? Like with PSX and they backed out of games com. They didn't go hard. They went to Paris games a week. Things have changed.

The press conference game has totally changed. There's a million conferences all the time. And how do you cover them all? Where do you put your stuff? Convention season is from January to December now. So with all of that stuff, I think that E3, E3 is never not going to be an idea, but I don't think it necessarily needs to be what it is.

I was under one roof all the time. Exactly. So I'm excited about this. No, it's just fascinating of like how much oxygen is there. You know what I mean? Like how many people can get out in front of the giant behemoth that is these conferences from Sony,

Microsoft and the Nintendo Direct, right? To get out and have their message be heard and not be drowned out and not have it be that, oh man, I used to Tyler's not being funny right now. Like not have that be the messaging, right? messaging be what we saw with Bethesda which was like here's this conference and we were excited about everything you said you know what I mean like I'm sure that's what EA's driving at

that's what they're shooting for yeah and we'll see I mean that that is exciting will you actually make a good press conference with this because last like I can't remember a great EA that's the thing is I don't think it to be fair to them I don't think it's can they make an amazing press conference is a better way to put it usually what it is and we I think Peter Moore talked about this or it's even when we talked to PlayStation right of like we try to do something for everybody, which inevitably means that you're going to be, oh,

Pela, and that's me, you know what I mean, but then I'm excited about one of their games. This is what Adam, I think, talked about with us about PlayStation. We wanted you to walk,

everybody to walk away from PSX's conference, excited about two or three things. Yeah. Which means that there's going to be a bunch you don't care about. No, that's totally cool and I get that, but nobody's excited about watching

Madden Press conferences. I really think, you know, we know those things are coming. And the people that are interested, they'll go watch the trailers, they'll go watch whatever. Like,

at the press conference, instead of spending 20 minutes talking about all the sports games, it could be a one minute, two minute thing of, here's our lineup, here's key things that are being added to this year's, whatever, cool. Yeah, you know? Mobile games, same thing. Yeah, mobile games don't need to be touched.

I think that would be my prediction with what they're doing here, right? And what we're talking about? Because they're talking about that it's, what is it? A three-day event, right? Then capped off by the Sunday press conference? Or am I putting them in awkward order. You figure then what you get to do there is you get to come out and be like, hey, you've had a great time playing Matt,

and in FIFA, and they have a bunch of new features, and we've talked about those, and trailers are up, but let's talk about it. I want to talk to you today about five awesome titles. Here's the new Star Wars game. Here's a massive game. Yeah. Amy Star Wars game, shit, you're right. That's probably going to...

I mean, you actually start with Indromeda and you end with Star Wars. Yeah. Put it in the bank. It's just fascinating. It's just fascinating with the way they just look at the landscape right now. And I think it goes beyond even, you know, mainstream or like traditional games press. It goes even to YouTubers and even to Twitch streamers that I mentioned before, the sense that you don't need to get any of these people to get hands on.

If they want to do like a, if they want to like just do a trailer analysis or they're, you know, let's play your games anyway and they're going to do all these kinds of things. And it is like, is it, is it, I'm wondering if they're just seeing what Bethes is a saw with fallout, which was like, is there any value to long lead times? Is there any value to even going hands on with the game before it comes out? Like, is there any, is there really any value to the preview cycle anymore? Apart from, you know, driving pre-sales, which seems to be kind of a waning thing as retail slowly dies.

Like, I just think the whole, the whole landscape is very unique and very interesting right now. And EA might be like a harbinger of good things to come in terms of like a new way of looking at games and a new way of looking at the industry. But it is a, it is a move for control as well. Which is good. Well, it depends on how you look at it. Like, I don't know necessarily that it's good. I mean, it's their prerogative to control anything they want with their games before they come out. But is it good?

Is it good that they want to avoid the snark? Is it good that they want to avoid the heat of E3? Is it good? Is it good? And I'm like, and I'm like, and I'm like, I don't have an answer yes or no. I do think that what we hear from a lot of our PR friends is that they, the last two years or so,

have been looking far less at traditional games press and more at YouTube and Twitch and find that, to be frankly, way more important. It's way more important for PewDiePie to play your game than have your game on game spot, for instance. And I think any publisher would take that. Well, it was a big change last week, yeah, last week two weeks ago

when was that Far Cry primal event. And we walked in there and we brought all our equipment to do, you know, let's play or whatever. but they had a laptop and a camera and a capture station at every station like it was like if you want to do it and like they had so many YouTube people in there and like when the embargo lifted I put up our video

and the first thing I saw wasn't IGN and it wasn't GameSpot the first video I saw was Brit Bromrocker she had taken out a GIF or whatever and it was like my tip for Far Cry Prime is don't shoot bears with fire arrows and it was her shooting a bear with fire arrow the bear catching a fire and then chasing her around

and I think that's the first footage I've seen that's not my footage and that's cool and what I think is very awesome about that is It was one of the first time, and Ubisoft gets it. You know, and we've seen this over and over where they've been super good to us because they see what we're doing and all that. But usually we go to these events and it's, it is all our friends from traditional media and stuff. But this was the first time that I was like, huh, these are YouTubers. And I don't know all of them.

It's not like they're big. It's not like they're huge people. And I looked into some of them after. It's like they're not even kind of big. Like we're talking. They're like us. I mean, some of them had like 10,000 subscribers. Sure.

But I mean like they're like us in the way that they have an audience. And there's like, ride or die, what you say about this game. That's what's cool about it is it's like you don't need to be even that. You don't even need to be where we're at, this weird kind of hybrid of we're bigger than nothing, but we're way smaller than something. But it's cool to, like, they get it to the point of they're looking. They're actively looking of who wants to play a far cry primal. Yeah. You know, who wants to talk about it and stuff.

And I think that that's cool. And yeah, like the other thing, too, is it's not like these people are just sitting there and they're not going to be, yes, man. They're not just going to be like, well, this is awesome. Like, we're sitting there. There's people around there were making fun of the game and like totally just going in on it and not being like professional in those. We were too busy figuring out what Shail is. Yeah, and Kevin was busy unplugging everything.

Yeah, I just think it's, it's just fascinating to watch just the, and it can be another topic for another day, but just the waning and waxing influences of different influencers and what that word means and how that means control is being shifted and maybe rained in or given more of to other people. And I think that there's just way more to read into the EA's decision here than just them not being at E3. I think it's them saying like we have to figure out a new way to go about our business. And it's and it has nothing to do with anything but what we want to do.

We don't have to please anybody anymore except for the people that play our games. And word of mouth is so powerful. And positivity with smaller groups of people is more positive or more powerful than being on a big website where the comments are wildly negative and the opposite. picks are bad and I don't know I just I think that this was probably a thoughtful thing that they had to think long and hard about and I think they did and because it's not it's not something to take lightly it's also probably not something that pleased their partners in the industry either like the essay and stuff like that so I'm sure that there was like it wasn't an easy decision from the make but I'm interested to see how it works out if they come back next year if it doesn't work out and then how their success or lack of success influences the other big publishers because if two or three or three like if two or three if Activision and then Microsoft decide not to go to E3 anymore it's Yeah. Like it's just done. Or Ubisoft and Sony or whatever it is. It can't survive without almost all the big players.

Yeah. What do you think about Nintendo, Colin, in terms of conference? I think they do. My hope is that the rumors are that they will announce it and then do a conference later. I think that's a mistake. I think that's stupid, but that's probably what they will do. I think that they can get the biggest bang for their buck if they just don't say anything at all. Just say to come to this press conference. No one knows what the fuck's going on. No one knows what the console is called.

No one knows what it is. No one knows the nature of the games. They have a two-hour meaty press conference. It's all about NX. They don't talk about Wii. They don't talk about 3DS at all. I get chills just hearing you say this. They don't acknowledge the consoles,

like the Wii or 3DS at all. They're just thrown away, not literally, but just being like this is not about what we're, you know, we continue to release in 3DS games and Wii games, but that's not what we're about anymore. Here's the plan. Here's what the console's called. Here's what it looks like.

Here are the games. Here's the release date. Here's the idea. Here's the app that will go on PS4 on Xbox one, here's how it all works, here's how it all works together. They can make, that would be one of the biggest explosions at E3 ever.

And whether or not it works out for them, when it comes out to market, is a different story entirely. But if they want to make a splash, be at E3, be there in the flesh, do not do a Nintendo direct, do not rehearse this, you know, or you have to rehearse, but don't edit and make this nice, clean thing like they usually do.

That's not what this is about. You have to be a different Nintendo. That Nintendo might be very intimate and very fun for a lot of people, but that Nintendo hasn't been very successful. So you can't keep, Like, imagine during the Sony press conference. Oh, yeah.

And it's a Nintendo direct. But just starts playing. I mean, I would think of, yeah, I'm like, please welcome to the stage. Reggie and like they've put up red in the Nintendo logo. That would be like people would lose their fucking mind. Oh, man. And even give, and that would be the thing of like, you know, let's say Sony as usual closes out Monday and Nintendo's going to start Tuesday, right? Before the show opens.

Have Reggie come out and be like, hey, you know, we're, you know, talking about this NX app. But this is only part of what the NX is. we'll tell you all about it tomorrow. That'd be awesome. You know what I mean? To your point, that'd be awesome if they partnered with one person. And I know that it's somewhat common theme,

but a lot of people think, not a lot of people, but one of the theories about what NX means is N cross. Like, yeah, cross over. Yeah, like what is it?

Street, Friday cross tech. Yeah, so like, what is it? Could they just like, could it just be like, you picture a logo of just NX and then it moves over and it's NX PlayStation.

Yeah. Or NX, Xbox or something like that or whatever, you know, like, uh, NX Neo Geo. Oh yeah.

It's back. And X Sega. So there's like, it's exciting. It is exciting. The unknown is exciting. I'm not sure about the director conference though. Like I don't know.

I'm not sure that they're going to have a conference. I just knowing them. Either way I'm in. Like, I really don't care. And I don't think there is that big of a difference, whether it's a director or a conference. But either way I'm fucking sold.

I want them to have a conference just because I want to be there. Yeah. It's been a long time since that, you know, since space world really that they, they, which is old now. that the space world used to be so fun to like read about back in the day.

Oh my God. Because we never had a chance of actually going. But where they really like treated themselves like they were big again. Like you know, like they need to, it's not a fake until you make it thing because Nintendo is the OG really with Atari and Kaliko basically like and really the most important of that group. But to just be like we are we are Nintendo and like we can do whatever we want and we're going to and we're going to do it this way. And to treat it like bigger than just sitting at Nintendo HQ. and these nice tightly edited videos are just boring. That's just fucking boring.

That's exactly what you just said, though. That is them doing what they want. And just being like, we're fucking Nintendo. That is them doing what they're talking to their people. And if they want to talk to their people, then they might as well not even bother. They have to talk to everyone. They have to figure out a new way.

It is fun. The Nintendo directs are funny and they're interesting, but during the heyday of we and during the heyday of DS, those didn't exist. And that was their most successful period. So it's not like, you know, clearly Nintendo fans are loud and just like any fans of anything really in there

boisterous and they think that you know Nintendo can do no wrong in a lot of different ways but Nintendo's done a lot of wrong and they need to write the shit because that 18 billion dollar war chest is going to turn into zero and if they don't if they don't start really like making money and figuring it out over the long term and you know they'll be fine at the very least they have valuable IP and they can they can do whatever they want with those games if this fails which I think and I think this is their last chance to really figure it out

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This is a selfish topic. Pokemon has having its 20th birthday. I'm super excited. How excited are you guys? Very not. Not excited. Especially because it's not the 20th anniversary when it was relevant to us either. Because when I first saw that, I was like, yeah, it's not been 20 years, really.

You know, not for us. Not yeah for gem in Japan and Pokemon green and stuff like that yeah whatever though. I mean so 98 was is like the real Yeah, that's worth of it to me at least. Yeah, that was but you know, fuck it. I'll celebrate 20 years It's it's funny. I recorded a video yesterday where I was talking about my Pokemon memories which you should too Using hashtag Pokemon 20 and I was talking about it. I was like yeah, it's crazy's been in my life in 20 years then I was I was 26 now I mean so I was six I was like that's not right Wait a thing when you first hear about Pokemon then I was eight okay yeah 98 is when I came out here The Pokemon is

Was awesome I have a lot of memories of Pokemon I was really really obsessed with it When I was in high school For periods of time 98 99 Game Boy Pocket And I remember sitting with my friend Cody

Who's a buddy of mine from Long Island And we had the link cable And we used to just play all the time He used to fucking hammer him I remember I used to just like destroy him You suck Cody But we used to sit at his kitchen table Like all day

And just grind and play And order food and go to the supermarket and just get food and go through our batteries that we would go through constantly because of course for all the young listeners out there we didn't have to recharge all batteries on those, it wasn't until

clamshell GBA that we even had a Game Boy that you could play. It's crazy to think about it. So crazy to think about it. Which was 2003. So, which I got a Pokemon game with. That's when it came out when Ruby and Sapphire came out. And I had Ruby.

And so Pokemon is important like Final Fantasy 7 is important in that it introduced a lot of people to role-playing games, but unlike Final Fantasy 7, it's really like Baby's first role-playing game. And I don't mean that in a disrespectful way. It's a much more accessible way to enter into the world of statistical video games

than Final Fantasy 7 was, even though Final Fantasy 7 is very stripped down to pair to six and five and four. So, Pokemon is really important. Pokemon's up there with Doom and Mario and whatever, in terms of like the pantheon of like very influential and very influential, and very important games, and obviously the sales play it out. It is also a series that is in desperate need

of new ideas. I stopped playing it after Diamond, I think. No, it's got to be after that. No, Diamond, there's only been one generation after that. Yeah, okay, so that's the last one I played. And it because it's just, it literally is the same thing over and over and over. It's not, there's literally

nothing. Totally wrong. What am I told about? There was black and white after that and the next and Y. Yeah, black and white. Black and white two and then X a lot. I didn't play though. So Diamond was the last one which was I think 2009 or so probably 2010. So you missed it up because they the new everyone since then did at least shift into more of a 3D. It's still the same thing. It's the same game.

Like I don't know what you're supposed to do like to make it different. That's why it's not my series. I'm not a game creator. But that's the one. It's stale. It's super stale to me now. But I think that I'm in the minority. And I also think that a lot of people that like Pokemon now didn't play it in 1998 or 1999 or 2000 or 2001 or 2002.

too, so they'll come around and be tired of it just like I was by 2010 as well, I think. And there's going to be another group of people playing it for the first time. And I think that's kind of the weird secret of Pokemon, because, I mean, obviously, I'm such a huge fan of the whole franchise. But I am very much a fan of the older ones. And I'm not a purist in the sense of, like, I won't even play the new ones. But it's like, they don't have that same magic. And it is just the same thing. And it is fun every couple of years to play it again and, like, have a slightly new adventure.

And just be like, all right, cool. Like, that is why I love Pokemon. You get addicted to it. but it's I would love to see them actually make any make some huge changes but at the same time people are scared of change and that's what the spin-offs are for and I think Pokemon has had so many spin-offs that have had some great games. Pokemon snap. Yeah and definitely. Where is another snap? All these other things.

They're great and nothing touches the core games though. And I think that we've had a couple console RPG Pokemon games, but they were never quite the same thing. It's not what we wanted. But that's an example of them doing something different. So like Pokemon Coliseum and Pokemon Coliseum, that's right. The XD Gale of Darkness or whatever, the GameCube games. Like those are RPGs. They're really light and whatever, but like they were different adventures where you weren't just doing the go to eight badges and do all that stuff.

But I don't know. Then again, I'm not a game creator either, so I don't know what I want, but they can just keep doing this forever. It's funny to me that what I want the most is just another remake of red and blue. Like I want that on a console and just do it. Just go all out. But it's like, why do I want that? Yeah. It's also easy for me to say that I want them to change it for something I'm not super

invested in anymore because when they change Dragon Quest for instance with 10 I was furious So it's so it's so it's it and so it's it's all of us were so and so and and Dragon Quest is a series Similar to Pokemon that's changed very little Because I don't feel like it needs to change so it is easy for me to it is easy for me to like sit here and be like well Pokemon needs to change whatever but I just don't think it's it's it's deep enough for it to not change it's it's it's it's a very rudimentary RPG it is like one of the simplest RPGs there is. It's just really fun. The hook of collecting things reaches so deep into our psyche as gamers, I think, because we like

to collect things, I think, as gamers. We like collectibles. We like Intel. We like, yeah, we like to just find things and we like to collect games and put them on our shelves and we like collectible card games and we like fucking all these things. And I think that it just resonated with us. And I think that, you know, specifically the people around my age, that hit at the perfect time.

Like, if you didn't like Pokemon, there was something wrong with you. Like that was it took over and I think it was so, Pokemon's so much more than just a video game to me because as soon as it came out, there was a cartoon and then there was a card game like all within a matter of a year. Like it all happened so fast. And then all of a sudden there's spin-offs and there's this and then. There's Pokemon pinball and there's like all these things that you're like, it's just consuming your life and there's movies and stuff.

And for me, Pokemon was so integral in my friendships and just meeting people and what all of my relationships with people in my class meant. It's like I had one friend that I watched the show with. And I remember when the movie came out, we went to go see it and like we lost our fucking minds seeing new Pokemon. It's like there's more than 150. That fucking thing,

the blue thing that we thought was named Pika Blue is actually named Merrill. Like this is nuts. Like this is fucking nuts. I can't handle this. And it's like those moments happened so much. They happened every week when I'd go buy a fucking booster pack and open it up and see which card I got. And like my friend got the fucking holographing muteo.

And I'm stuck with the Pokemon Breeder is my rare card. And I'm like, God damn it. But then the next week, I get Blastoise. And, like, they figured out to make this crack for kids to get money out of every single way that they could, whether it's the movies or buying the TV shows VHS's or buying the comics or buying the cards or buying the games or buying the strategy guides, all the stuff. I bought it all. You know? It's like they really got the hooks in. And I think that that's why it's the same is because.

All those things fed into each other. And it's like, well, if you play the game, you're going to like the show. Because if you like the show, you're going to play the game. And you know what I mean? It's a cycle. And the show just keeps going. Ash is still 10 years old in the goddamn show. But he's done so much.

And all it is is the same thing over and over and over. But it's new kids watching it. And it's a whole new group of Pokemon and shit. I am most impressed by the fact that it's been going on this long. And we look at it and we're like, oh, it's the same thing over and over. And honestly, it's at the point now where I didn't even play. Ruby and Sapphire's remakes on the 3DS because I'm like I'm away you know I can Take a break for a little bit longer to get away for that big MMO that Pokemon MMO

Yeah, we'll see but I mean again not even that I don't even I'm not even talking about a big shift like maybe I'll wait till the next just gen comes out and then I'll get back into it But Pokemon's 20th anniversary they're going all out without actually announcing anything big and I think it's because of the NX they're in that weird holding period but I am very impressed with how they're handling the anniversary because a lot of anniversies are like, all right, hey, it's the year of Luigi or whatever, you know, and it's just nothing really happens. Or the year of the OSHA, the year of the OSHA, where it never even happened yet. But it's always every year in my heart. But with Pokemon, I mean, they're doing so much shit.

They're on February 27th, which is the anniversary of when Pokemon first came out, they're going to re-release red, blue, and yellow on 3DS, which I'm saying. super excited about. They're updating. Oh, hell, yes, I am. They're updating that so that you don't need the link cable and you can just do it wirelessly over Wi-Fi.

What's crazy, you can battle over Wi-Fi. Like, what the fuck? I didn't realize they're on that until I was like researching last night. They're adding online multiplayer to a freaking Game Boy ROM. I'm impressed with that. That's really fucking cool. And then in Japan,

they're doing the same thing, but they're also releasing Green version because Green came out in Japan, never came out here. And they're actually getting box versions. Fuck you, Japan. I want that shit. Japan wins again. And then they're doing the obvious normal anniversary thing where they're releasing 3DSs

that are with the actual, like the new 3DS with the face plates. And there's one that comes with the original art from red and blues box, which looks fucking cool. Japan has four different 2Ds that are colored based on the red, yellow, blue, green. And they have the games pre-installed on them. in fucking nerdy news for me Pokemon the first movie Pokemon the Power of One and Pokemon Spell of the Unknown, the three movies, the first three

movies are being released on Blu-ray in a special ass steel book. So I'm like, you're gonna get it? They're speaking to me. This is it. This is them being like, hey, Tim, here you go. Here's the random shit that Thanks, Pokemon. Yeah, I'm like, yay, you're so good. They're also releasing, there's 18 Pokemon movies at this point, which is really crazy to think about.

No, no, God, no. I saw the first First three, that was it. Okay. They're releasing those just digitally in HD. They're doing a whole new Pokemon trading card game, like expansion called Generations that focuses on more of the old school ones that we grew up with. There's also a mythical Pokemon collection, so it's all the fancy ones like Mew and Salabi and all that shit.

And they're also doing a mythical Pokemon distribution event where throughout the year, one a month, they're releasing all these legendary Pokemon where you can go to different places like just the Nintendo Network or... GameStop and, you know, Best Buy and stuff like that, where you can download these Pokemon that were only available at specific times throughout the last 20 years. Gotcha. So that's cool. I mean, like, people, people that get super into the meta game of Pokemon and all that

stuff, which I was never on that level. But, like, this is huge for them. And then there was that Super Bowl commercial, which, do you guys see it? No, I don't watch it. I was waiting for the Super Bowl. They're going to do an edited version on the Super Bowl. I think the one online now is, like, a minute long. The other one probably just can be, like, 15 or 30.

Okay. it was awesome like Kevin saw it you like you Kevin liked it Kevin liked it you better than Kevin you're saying you like it out there I was really impressed because it was a different direction than I thought they would say a Super Bowl commercial so pretty much

Should I watch it right now? Not right now but after the show you should definitely check it out It's cool it's just it's very it's a hype thing and it's the theme of the 20th anniversary is train on So they're kind of taking that and they adapted it you see like some little kid running and like training to run you see some girl playing chess and it just keeps going on some guy playing football and it's very

subtly Pokemon like very subtly like if you look in the background I'm gonna watch you're see little thing cut out the me watching it we watch it together and then we jump ahead the minute I want to watch it I want a piece of garbage you watch it later I'm not gonna cut it out I want Greg to live watch it I'll say this too about Pokemon that

can't be overstained you know it really can't be overstated is that it really reinvigorated the Game Boy Game Boy was was old by the time by the time it came out and no one was playing like it honestly no one was playing with it the Game Boy was in a lull at that point. Pretty significant well and Pokemon like

by the time we got Pokemon game boy was nine years old. Yeah. And it's pretty significant that its biggest game came out that late in its cycle and let it live and gave us the pocket and the collar and all this kind of stuff to kind of like Pokemon's why I got a game boy Oh yeah I had a game boy long before that but I mean I was young then that's true that was the thing is I had no reason

I love Game Boy I love Game Boy. But Pokemon I had to have it. You know, I really did. Like, everyone else had it, and I got it late because I was poor. But eventually, I did get it, and it was great, and that's why I got stuck with Bulbosaur

is my first fucking starting Pokemon because my friends already got Charming and a squirrel, so I had to trade with them. Right. So I got fucking stuck with Bulbosaur. I think I got my Game Boy in 1993. Oh, my God. I got it at Bradley's in New Hampshire.

Huh? That was the only one that was available, then, yeah. And it was 9999. I remember, and I got Mega Man 4 with it, If I remember correctly, it was awesome. A lot of bleed on those. Oh, really? Yeah.

Anyways, there's a lot. I love Pokemon so much. You guys know that. And I'm excited for this year. I'm a little bummed that there's not a game to come with the 20th anniversary. Yeah, it's like what happened with Mega Man too. It's like, they're clearly not ready.

Yeah. Yeah, it's disappointing. But I also really feel like it's important. This is an important milestone in Japan, but I still, and I understand when we celebrate, we celebrated the 20th anniversary of PlayStation in 1994, even though we didn't get PlayStation until September 1995 here, so it is based on when it originally came out.

I totally respect, I don't understand that, but it just, it'll resonate with me more in 1998. Yeah. But I also think that'll feel really fucking old as well. They're celebrating throughout the year, and they have things planned throughout the year, so I don't think it's too late for them to announce something later, like at E3, like for the NX or whatever. That would be nice.

It could be a launch game. Yeah. If it comes out this year. What do you think? It's fine. I love it. Well, it's because it's aimed at you. Yeah.

But the football player walking out is like, like, no one ever was. Hell yeah. But I just thought, I was like, all, all, so what, we all inspire each other? Is that the pirate where Pokemon inspires us all to be? Not even Pokemon, actually. It turns out that some kid watching a cockfight in the road or whatever the hell was happening. And then he just like, I can do that and he just runs up a mountain. I don't know what that's going on.

No, man, I like it a lot. I just think it was a different direction. I wasn't expecting that commercial from Nintendo. I liked the commercial for the, the iPhone game or whatever that came out that when they were walking around and they were doing the pings and stuff. That was a more interesting. Oh, Pokemon Go. Yeah, that's the other thing. Now we have the list of games.

I mean, this year we got the Poken tournament coming out March 18th on Wii U. I'm super excited for that. Pokemon Go still saying sometime 2016, like on the 20th anniversary trailer they put out. It did say Pokemon Go 2016. So that's really exciting to me. Pokemon Picross came out last month and people seemed to enjoy it. I was never a pickross guy, so I didn't play it. And then the most important, great detective Pikachu, the birth of a new duo, comes next week.

to Japan. No news of a US release, but we can only hope because that shit looks awesome. The guy, his partner's named Tim, the new duo, it's Tim and Detective Pikachu. What the fuck is that game calling? I don't know. And I don't really care either. When I was the second I saw that image of Pikachu wearing his little straw, home sat on my guy, I can't. That looks cute. I can't. Did you watch the trailer? No. No. I need to watch trailer. I can't. He talks, Colin. He has a deep voice.

He speaks Japanese. Like he's speaking. And then he walks him to another Pikachu and The other Pikachu, he's fucking talking. It's great. It's fucking great. I can't. Oh, I can. I can hard. Anyways, I'm really excited.

I love Pokemon. I hope I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm very excited for the re-releases of a Pokemon coming to virtual console. Like, I never thought that would happen because Nintendo was so, like, that's one of their Disney vault things. Just like, Pokemon is very generational and like they stick to it.

But they're doing it. They're finally doing it. Hopefully this means we'll get golden silver and crystal, my favorite ones. But it's going to be nice for playing the original Pokemon game. I haven't done that in a long time. I hope that they keep all the glitches because that's what made that generation so special. But now they're updating shit.

I don't know. If missing knows gone, I'm fucking out. Tell me, brother. Topic for this one, as always, brought to you by the kind of funny forums. Go to kind of funny.com slash forums. You can go to kind of funny.com slash gamescast topic to leave your topic for this big, beautiful show.

Just like Ilyan did. Nope, that's the wrong question Illian Gonzalez That's exactly what I was thinking Yousef Majewid says Dear Kind of Funny Crew For me the original PS2 launch game Summiner was an amazing game

While I had always played games before This is the first game I lost myself in After beating Summoner I realized that gaming was more than just a passing fancy That there was never And that there was no going back That I was a gamer now What's the game that made you a gamer?

Thanks, Youssef So this is a different question than what's the first game you ever played? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know I know. I always go, I mean, it's a tired story for me, but I was talking about Metal Gear on PlayStation, right? And the fact that like the story goes that I had it in 64, and I had consoles before then, obviously. And I remember running into a friend from junior high when we went to a homecoming dance in high school. And he's like, yeah, but I'm thinking about maybe

I'm thinking I won't be forever because like, is this all it is, this cartoony stuff? You know, like, Mario's great. Don't get me wrong. And I'm excited for this game, McCawker's Bedford and all these different things. But it's like, it's still in that point where I felt like I was butting up against this wall of like these still kids things? This is a kid toy? You know what I mean? Like, you know,

you're trying to find yourself and decide what you enjoy and stuff like that. And then got the PlayStation 1 when then 64 was about to go down. And then, you know, one day rented Armymen Sarge's Heroes and Metal Gear Solid. And I remember be like, oh man, yeah, EGM was always talking about this game. Went home and put an Armyman with Po and I was like, this game sucks.

Let's try the Metal Gear one. And that was the one where it was like, you start it and there's like the cut scene and the credits and you're, you know, snakes swimming underwater. like what the fuck is this? And then just like we marathon that game. You know what I mean?

Like got to the second disc and it was just like, holy shit. I was talking about it. Like I didn't know it at the time. I couldn't put it into words. But that was like the glimpse of like this is what games will be or can be. You know what I mean? Like yeah, I mean this for the rest of my life.

I think games that, you know, because I played so many side scrollers when I was a kid that games that bucked that trend were the ones that showed me that games can be more immersive and bigger than that. I think Castle vaney 2 is probably like one of the great examples. Even though it is a side scroller, it's a non-linear role-playing game

and it's got items and experience points and all this kind of stuff and I didn't really... It doesn't really explain anything, so there's bad translation and all this kind of stuff and you really need help to get through the game and it's... It was one of those games that I played

where I was like, this is a very special and unique kind of way to go, even though I love the original Castlevania and I think that that formula is really, really solid and they went back to that formula with Castlevania 3, but... Castlevania 2 is that example, and I think Final Fantasy 4 is a, or 2,

when I played it in the States is was a riff on games that I'd seen before. I'd played Final Fantasy and I'd played in Dragon Quest and stuff like that. And it'd seen those games you played as very young kid. Dragon Warriors, as we knew it. But Final Fantasy 4 was the first one or two was the first one where I played with Dagan, my brother. And it was like, I was like, this is insane. As a seven-year-old when we bought it, I was like, this is an insane game.

I don't understand this game. I don't get how this works. How is it so long? And how is it so deep and nonlinear and what are these characters? And there's just so many permutations of equipment and you just do whatever you want. And that was probably one of the, that was the game that made me love role-playing games even more than Dragon Quest. Because when I play Dragon Warrior,

people I might remember, Dragon Warrior games came with a lot of inserts. And you would like un-rout, like, unroll these huge maps and they'd have like images of all the enemies. And like you just knew everything about the game. And I was obsessed more with that than I was with the games. But with Final Fantasy Four, it seems like they immersed. me and put all that stuff into the game itself so that I can feel like I'm in this one cohesive world.

And it made me love that genre. And then you kind of expand out there. Super Nintendo was such a great, formidable fucking console for that, for that genre that, not as good as PS1, I don't think, but certainly had its great games where they're talking about Secret of Matter and Secret of Evermore and Lufia and, you know, obviously Final Fantasy 6 and Krono Trigger. And, I mean, there's a lot of those kinds of games on there that, that it's scratched similar, it's even better than Final Fantasy 2 does.

But I think that that was the one. So I point to Castlevania 2 I'd point to Dragon Warrior games And I'd point to to Final Fantasy 2 slash 4 I have a really weird answer But I gotta go with Paperboy No that's not a weird answer Because I think that that game

You know I played the Mario games before then And they were amazing and stuff And I loved them I enjoyed them a lot But there's something about Paperboy That because it is just one of those arcadey Like brutal Get as far as you can get And like yeah

And it gets really hard And it was just so quirky and weird And like the fact that there's like The baby running across the street and like there's all these like little characters and all these hazards and things that happened and then it just more and more happens you get to Tuesday and then the Grim Reaper comes out and like it's like what the fuck is this and I think the moment it became a gamer is when we started coming up with background stories for these characters sure we started thinking about like why that kid was running across the street who was driving the red car why Grim Reaper was coming like we were trying to rationalize all of it and like why people would unsubscribe from us and like like fuck these guys were going to break their windows and we created meta games within the game and of all right not only do you need to give the good people mailboxes you also need to break the windows of the bad people and doing all that and now is the moment when we took the game that they gave us and Made your own made our own game from it. I think that's the moment that I was like this is my life and I love it a lot Question two comes from the Arctic sloth we know him

And other beautiful bastards at the table how video games affected your real world problem solving skills I don't know much that they have I mean game logic is totally different than real world logic mostly in my experience. I mean, Game logic is its own thing. Yeah, but so you saying that

sparks something with me is like, I'm a schemy bastard. I'm always trying to like game the system and I think video games are about gaming the system. You know, it's like when you're grinding an RPG, you want to find,

when you notice that there's a place you get more experience points, you stay there, you know? And it's things like that where if you translate that to real life, I think I do that a lot where I'm like,

when I see the opportunities, I'm like, all right, I'm going to latch on to this and kind of figure out, out like what's the best way to optimize what I'm doing here and did video games teach me that? I don't know, maybe. Maybe more of a don't give up attitude, I guess.

You know what I mean? Like I feel like games are like there's a way to beat this. You know, I haven't figured out yet, but there's a way to beat this. I feel like maybe that's something you do there, but it's not like, I think super easy to be like, well, I think adventure games taught me that I should always go up to doorknobs and try to to touch them with the banana to see. Because adventure games are dumb. They are.

The old adventure games is really dumb, Kev. This is an interesting question that I'm excited to hear what you guys have to say. I see Flames 96 says, Hey Tim, Colin and Greg, Is it possible that the Ratchet and Clank reimagining might be in some danger because of its release window? First off at PSX in April 12th, release date for the game was announced, which is the same day Dark Souls 3 comes out.

Also, Uncharted 4 was pushed back to April 26, which is two weeks after Ratch and Clank releases. These two factors will definitely hurt its sales to some extent, but how significant do you think it will be? Keep of the great work. I don't think expectations were high for that Ratchet and Clank remaster or whatever, re-release, reboot, whatever. And I think

they're aiming at different audiences. I don't think you have to worry about Dark Souls people. Like, well, I was going to pick a Bradshaw, but Dark Souls is that. You know what I mean? Sure, don't be wrong. There's some of you out there who just said that. But I think they're trying, I think the fact you're timing it with a movie, you're trying to get new younger people into it, right? So are new younger people afraid

of Dark Souls? I don't think so. Yeah, I don't think there's enough of a thing there. And it's also the same thing. Like, the super hardcore PlayStation fan is going to pick up both Ratchen and Uncharted and be ready for that. Yeah, I don't think, I don't know that it matters. I think, I don't think the play with Ratchet is, the Ratchet reboot is to sell a lot of copies to

PlayStation owners as much as it's to be available for people that see the movie. Yep. And I hope that, I think that, I think their play is just that they hope Ratchet can live again. And so I think that the play is like, that doesn't matter when it comes out. It just needs to resonate with moviegoers.

People that want to buy Ratchet are going to buy it. And the people that know about it are going to buy it too. And so I'm not so sure that, yeah, to Greg's point that I don't think expectations were especially high for Ratchet as it was, as it is. Our shot eight says, hey guys, do you ever feel like you consume a game too quickly so you don't savor the experience? Whenever I find a game I'm really into, I'll play it nonstop until completed and then have no reason to continue playing. I feel like this might be lessening my experience and cause games to be forgotten all too soon.

P.S. for Colin, this is also true when reading books for me. What about you? No, with books sometimes, but with games, I actually play them pretty slow. A few hours at a time. I usually don't play games for more than a few hours at a time. I used to when I was younger. I play games all day. but I just don't want to do that anymore.

So no, I think that sometimes I play them too slowly and then something else, some other shiny object catches my eye and I don't finish it. I mean, that happened to me a lot last year. So there's something to be said about playing, getting them out of the way. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It's about, you know, developing the experience

you kind of want to experience with that particular game. I feel it all the time, but I like it that way. I do sit down there and I'm very cognizant that I'm sitting down and beating uncharted in, or Alast of Us or whatever in two nights or, you know, the story mode of Lego Marvel Avengers. I sat there all Saturday and played, right? Because that's how I like to play games and stuff.

And it does dawn on me at some point of like, man, I just tore through that level or this, that, or the other. You know, I got all the collections or whatever, but like someone's life was fucking this environment

and making it look as good as possible. And I tore right through it and didn't really sit down to take it all in and da-da-da-da-da. But to Collins's point is I feel like I want to play as much as I want to be able to play whatever I want to play. And part of that is that I do get distracted and it does move on.

Even right now, like this week's been too busy to play. I'm going to platinum. I'm like, all right, but it's been too busy to play Lego. So it's like Saturday, I'm going to sit down and go balls deep in Lego again just to get it done so I can get to the witness before I get to Firewatch, before I get distracted. I'd like Charlie Gravy, you know what I mean?

Like there's many things that pile up and get there that it's like, that's how I like to consume it, but I do think every so often. I'm like, man, I wonder if it had a different pace. But the problem is then I feel like it's like binge watching shows. You know what I mean? Like when Arrow first started, I watched one episode. Like this isn't for me. And then season two was amazing.

Everybody was saying, and they were all available right on demand. And sat there and plowed through season one and then bought all the rest. And now that you do the same thing with like Jessica Jones where Jessica Jones four episodes in, I was like, Nick, this is, I don't like this. He's like, stick with it. And then it was like, watch two more. Holy crap. Let's watch five more this night.

You know what I mean? Like, I enjoy getting a story that way. Otherwise, I jump back. Like, how many times do I jump back in the games that I've taken breaks from? Like, wait, what's happening? And who's happening? How do I pay this? And what's, you know?

Yeah, no. I mean, I definitely do not play games like I used to because back. then I didn't have too many so I was like this is my game for the next three months or whatever and I would make up stupid paper boy stories and shit but like you really would read every sign talk to every non-playable character do all that stuff now it's more like all right let's just keep going let's just like you know not worry about it even platformers I love platformers so much for their like artistic design and like the music and the sound effects and all the little little tiny things I don't know notice them too much it's when a game makes me stop and slow down that I'm like

oh shit um metal gear solid comes to mind where the difference between how I play play Metal Gear Solid 5 and how I played Metal Gear Solid 4. With 5, I'm just like, I just want to keep going. There's so much to do. I just want to keep going. Sure. Just keep going. Whereas with 4, I was so as a fan, as a fan boy of Metal Gear Solid, I was like, I love this. I don't want it to end.

And I knew it was going to. I knew that the story was going to be told. So I, like, had to pace myself. I'm like, I'm limiting it to one act tonight. Like, I cannot play more than that or else I'm just going to be done and it's going to be over. Sure. So I think there's one of those different experiences.

You know what I mean? Back to the last of his example, right? Like that was a tear of I'm playing and I'm I want to consume this. I love it so much. And then they force you to slow down, right? With the giraffe scene. Yeah. And I remember, you know, I tell the story too where it's like, all right, I think it's

about to end. So I'm going to go out and walk Bertillo. And when I did reflecting on that scene, like tears come to my eyes of like how much we had just been through. And then it gives you that moment of like now you're supposed to think and you're supposed to reflect and you're supposed to take it all in. Yeah. Final question for the day.

Visage says, do you think let's play's hurt game sales? Many people began using lets plays as an alternative to buying and playing games, especially with smaller titles. Do you think this is harmful for the industry as a whole? Or does the additional advertising of less plays help increase the game sales? I think it's great. I think it's the exact opposite of a problem. I think that we've seen, I think the people are like, well, I can watch this game. I'm not going to buy it to begin with.

You probably weren't on the, you know, and how many times have we seen it go the other way? Where, you know, I did that dragon cancer let's play, right? And I said at the beginning, like, this is very narrative-driven. And like, Emily is the way. This is another great example, right? We're going to play through this. And like, if you like this, go buy it. You know what I mean?

You've watched us play this thing. If you don't think you're in my... So many people tweeted me that they went and bought that game and they don't have a gaming PC and this, that of the other. Like, that's the way to do it. Right. If you're going to have a game spoiled on that level, then yeah. But I don't, yeah. Let's plays are always about, at least from what people tell us and what the few that I watch, like, you know, because I want to watch them.

It's about personality, right? I want to see that person. I want to see their reaction. I want to know what they're thinking about it. It's not, man, I really want to see how this game goes. You know what I mean? If that's the case and it's a game, I didn't really want to play. I just wanted to see that scene every shot. And you're either sold or not based on the less play.

For me, you guys are used to this, but I'm still new to the scene of all this. But I am shocked at how many people have tweeted at me saying they bought amplitude because of the less play the less play. And so many people are like, I don't know. Even watch your let's play, I don't really know what's going on. But like, I see that you're good at it. And if you're good at it, that means that you put thought into it because you don't really play too many games or whatever. I'm like, I love how much thought that people put into it because they are coming for us, you know? and seeing something that we enjoy,

they're like, oh shit, I might enjoy that too. Right. That's really cool. I think, and I don't know, there's no numbers behind it, but like the, like, Dan and Patrick's Mario Maker rivalry

sold Mario Maker for sure to so many people and showed the longevity and how crazy you could get with that, you know what I mean? And again, that even if you don't want to make those levels, you can go play, that's got to be the biggest thing,

right? You can go play Dan Reichert's level? Yeah. Can you beat the Danocalypse or whatever the hell is called? You know what I mean? Yeah. No, man, that's great. No, I don't agree that it's bad.

I think, I mean, there are some games that it could hurt with Until Dawn, for instance, or something like that, a game like that where it's very narrative driven. You don't necessarily need to or want to play, and you just want to watch it. But I don't think, I think that there's a net gain on almost every game with Let's Plays, unless the game sucks. I mean, even with Until Dawn, my thing is, you know, I played it with Nick for, I'd say maybe 85% of the game, and then I fell asleep. So, because it was the 24-hour live stream.

Extra Life, what up? It was like five in the morning. But then I watched the rest on YouTube And like that was fine for me I got the experience of whatever That's the type of game But having said that I totally want to buy the game

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It's like a good YouTube video It's totally You want to take credit for it That's gotta be one of the best examples You'd think right Of like when I beat until Dawn Like I want to see other people play it So if I don't have that readily

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I will see you soon. They're old. You're cool. Bye. Oh, records. You can't break a record.