Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Our Favorite Video Game Controllers (2024) - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Episode Date: August 28, 2024

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It's the final week you have to hear us remind you about the Kind of Funny membership drive. All August long, we've been asking you to show your appreciation for the content we make by tossing us $10 on patreon.com slash kind of funny or YouTube.com slash Kind of Funny games. Y'all have shown up and we can't thank you enough. Gotten Gregways on the weekends, weekly happy hours for all, and even the ability to be part of the shows. Thank you so much. And if you haven't pitched in, please consider doing so before the end of the month. What's up and welcome back to the Kind of Funny Gamescast live for Wednesday, August 28th, 2024.

Of course, I am your host, Tim Geddes. I'm joined today by the Nitro Rifle, Andy Cortez. Hello, good morning. And to the big daddy himself. Greg Miller. Oh, it ain't morning, Andy. It's games cast after dark. It's 2.19 p.m.

And me, get here, me and Tim just come off of games daily where we got wet and wild. So let me tell you, you can say whatever. one out here now, okay? Because it's a half the kids are asleep or they're in school. It's okay. Don't worry about it. A lot of drugs. Drive the dragon.

Chase the dragon. So many drugs happen. You all just cut a promo on me or? Dude, I don't know, man. Things got weird on Games Daily. I got really upset. I'm still a little upset, Andy.

So I don't know. I'm going to try to get the good vibes for you here because I know this is an Andy-centered episode. But I just got, I got fucked raw. Why? What happened? Jesus. You're the one that brought that vocabulary into my life. I did not.

You did. In the last. 10 minutes. First off, raw dogging no longer means that can mean just sitting on the flight

not doing anything. Okay. Roddoggin doesn't mean fucking without a condom anymore. It means that. But you're the one that brought up

fucking without a condom. Andy, that is neither here nor there. That doesn't sound like Greg. That doesn't sound like it. That doesn't sound like something he'd do. We just did an episode of Games Daily that everyone can go check out

now on YouTube or podcast services around the globe that I highly recommend you check out because we may or may not have been broken. Irreputably. I don't know that I'm ever going to come back from this one, Andy. What? I don't get it.

Whatever. I don't want to get into it all. Okay. You know what I mean? It's just a bunch of bullshit, but essentially... I mean, the main thrust is this. The smartest gamers in the world play. Where, Andy?

PC. Just like you and me. What's going on? This little PlayStation fan boy over here is getting his save, eaten by Star Wars outlaw. Now we got to hear about it. Go cry to Jim Ryan and his cats. All right?

I'm getting fucked I don't think I'm going to be able to beat outlaws anymore Why? Why? What do you mean? Because they fucked my safe file. Have you seen this? The safe files are worked? They put out a patch for it for Star Wars outlaws and it turns out that on the PlayStation 5 version You need to start a new save or whatever Because if you don't then you'll just be stuck in space forever because there's progress blockers And so then it was one of these was everybody affected nobody what's going on blah They sent out an email to people affected that were like hey sorry then but it was really

really weird. Hey, sorry this is happening, but they wrote in first person and they were like, it happened to me too. And like, who are you? I don't know what I mean? But Tim didn't get the email. So he thought he was great in the beginning of Games Daily. And then at the end of the Games Daily, he got a pop up that was hey, following up on the email we sent you. But he's going to get a trinket for his ship.

I get a little shrimp tricket. A shrimp tricket. Sounds like a game of the year, contender, Greg. I'll tell you what. Maybe it eats your safe file. Combat's not that interesting. Stealth Stealth, no good. But you know, 7 out of 10, I enjoy exploring it. Have you kept playing?

I hating, man. There's a lot of hating right now. I just told you we're having fun at me. I play a little bit more. And, like, I want to see it through. So do I. Yeah. I don't think it's, like, horrible.

I don't think it's four out of ten bad. Like, only Ghostbusters Frozen Empire's four out of ten bad. I don't know if you caught it. Yesterday's whole games, and Gregway, was about that. They said somebody wrote in and said, what was more shocking? Ghostbusters is getting a four out of ten. Or Star Wars Outlaws

getting the scores it was getting. It was a tune into Gregway over. Wow. You have to tune everybody. And kind of funny members, you get a whole bunch of cool stuff like the Gregway that he did today where he compares himself to Celine Dion. I said we're kindred spirits.

I watched a documentary about her. Did I just miss a whole season? He was a lot of insane. He's like, I went home for 10 minutes. She was fucking crazy. But then also, you get all the old Gregway.

So if you want to listen to the one he just talked about, If you get the membership, you can go back and get them all the time, all the way back to 2015, which is super freaking sick. But if you want to be a part of the show live, you got a YouTube super chat. And if you have any thoughts on controllers, what your favorite controllers of the moments are, if you have multiple controllers you like, let us know if there's controllers you don't like, we'll take that as well, just for some fun conversation starters. Wii U game pad. The Wii game pad? Yeah, he doesn't like it. Mike's been playing

Call of Duty, Black Op 6 over in Washington, D.C. He streamed all this morning. That's why we are late today for this stuff. So you can go check out the VOD of that on our YouTube channel. And then after this, we're going to be doing Beetlejuice in review. You can watch that live if you are a kind

funny member. Shout to our Patreon producers Carl Jacobs and Delaney Twining. Today we're bought to you by the kind of funny membership, but I'll tell you all about that later. Let's get into it. The topic of the show. Today we're talking about our favorite video game controllers in 2024, and I'm drinking a Vooder Ranger Juice Force IPA. Wow.

That's the type of fucking day. Awesome. Yeah. That's cool. All it took was Mike Shinoda breaking his heart. And then, of course, I've been waiting for the last couple days, Andy. They've been fucking counting down.

I don't think we have this many direct sequels. Whereas like, you got to watch this entire game daily to understand why Tim is so at the end of his fucking rope to drink a beer at 224. This is like, I didn't want to watch fucking Miss Mark. Marvel and Disney Plus. Like, if you don't watch Miss Marvel, you're going to be lost in the Marvels.

That's what we got here. I've been fucking waiting a couple days ago, Lincoln Park comes out of nowhere and they're just like, oh, Lincoln Park.com, there's a countdown. There was a counting down until 11, 15 a.m. this morning. And I've been looking, I wore my shirt. I'm all excited about this. I'm like, oh, man, there's going to be good news. It hits zero.

And the countdown just starts going up. Oh. So here we are. It's one of the members like, yeah, I'm just experimenting with like HTML. Like I'm learning. Because I know he's looking at this. I learned how to make the countdown. Man, it's a lot.

Anyway, Andy, we're going to kick this off. The reason we're doing this episode is you got a little early hands-on with Razor's latest Wolverine X-3. So we're going to start this off. V-3, the Wolverine 3. I was going to say that's too perfect. It was the Wolverine X-3. Yeah, it's essentially like an embargo there.

Like, hey, we want to show you this controller. Would you like us to send you a version to kind of test out and mess around with? See if you like it. If you do, talk about it. If you don't. Never say anything. But yeah, I mean, if anybody knows me and my love for controllers, I have a buttload of them and I love kind of just experimenting with different button combinations

and the feel of everything. So yeah, I'm excited to talk about this, Tim. Yeah, we're going to kick this off with kind of your review, thoughts on your experience with this, the Wolverine V3. And then we'll transition that into just what are some of the controllers that we are loving using these days. So what do you think of it, Andy? I love that. So the V3, when Greg sort of emailed.

me this and he was like hey do you want to check out this controller PC gaming right here you want to check out this controller it's a new Razor controller I said absolutely because I spend $250 of my hard-earned money on the V2 for the PS5 the Razor Wolverine V2 for the PS5

I bought it and it lights up and it's super neat Can you change the colors? Yeah you can and I love the clickiness of everything like all the buttons are pretty much just mouse clicks a lot of y'all don't like that I freaking love it mouse click guy. Every button is essentially a mouse click and it has the trigger stops. I love the V2 but hated the back paddle sort of placement of it. But I love the feel of it so much.

Aftermarket, this thing? That a Bob Wolf from Wolfden on YouTube. We know. We know. Ended up DMing me. It was like, hey, I saw you talking about this controller. I 3D printed these little, these little dongle nubs or whatever to put on the, to put on the back paddle because I want it too. Like I don't like the placement of a than my other, and I want to use this controller because he plays a lot of like Call of Duty. So I was like, yeah, send me something. So you sent me a bunch in a little envelope. And then it ended up breaking off during, while playing Bloodborn. So I super glued the piece back together.

And then I super glued the piece onto the back paddle. That's how much I love this freaking controller. Now again, super premium product, right? Like I totally understand. I think 8 bit dough makes a phenomenal product for a very, very low price. I think this is going above and beyond the extra mile in case you really, really care about the elite level of premium. Yeah, exactly, absolutely. So I freaking love the V2 and I never returned it because I just really enjoyed it that much, even though the back paddle placement stunk.

And so when I was being shown this V3 thing on a call and they were like, I was just like, show me the damn back of it, you know? Let me see the back paddle. Yeah, let me see the back paddle placement. And they listened and they knew and they made it. They made everything right. There we go. So the back paddles are in where they usually should be where a lot of controllers have their back paddles in.

And I'm a big back paddle user. And these are all programmable either with, I believe you can use like the Razor app. But I didn't use any of that shit because you can also just do it on the device, which is what a lot of controllers also have the ability to do. Where you hold the center circle button, it lights up. And then you go and then you hit the back paddle. and then you hit the corresponding button and bam, I put my B button on the back paddle, that's my Dodge.

I'm so blown away by people who aren't addicted to back paddle usage when I, I can't never have them anymore. No, but like, you don't really game with them a whole lot though, Greg? Oh, you see me people who sometimes use them? Yeah, so like, this is a shout out to, this is like for Blessing Adioia Jr., who like, shout out to him, he's not picky.

He'll game, however, right? But he plays Wukong and like action games without back paddles. And for me, the Souls-like game is like, you are helped out so much more to have a back paddle. You never have to take your right thumb

off of the camera. You can constantly be rotating. You don't have to, like, you can always move that camera while you want to dodge, right? So my back paddle is my B and then my pickup item is like usually one of the left paddles.

But like, I can't ever go back. So if I had to go, like Greg Saul when we went to this, to the hell divers, event, the Hell Divers 2 event. I took my own dual sense. And this is another dual sense that I bought, Tim. This was a scuff one.

Another real expensive one, right? But it's still, it doesn't have the offset sticks. And that's why this freaking Razor one was like, oh, wow, they made a freaking dual sense with offset sticks. So back to the razor real quick. I love the look and feel. It's got sort of very, very similar build, but it just feels really, really freaking solid.

All of the mouse clicks are all there. I'm going to sort of just read some little blurbs off the back. I think this is more geared towards the e-sports player. The person who wants to play Call of Duty, the person who wants to play a competitive shooter. I'll jump in right away. Why do you feel like it's geared towards them? Well, I mean, that's where we're a lot of the buzzwords when we were in this presentation

in terms of like the quickest sort of, um, You know, button reaction, all of the, you know, back are stops. Have the full trigger push or whatever. But there's just like a lot of customization and like the fastest response level you could possibly have. Also in the new trend of having the third shoulder buttons, which we're seeing a lot more now in a lot of the more niche enthusiast controllers. Right. And that's the first.

I mean, the PlayStation 5 one that I bought was the first time that I saw those extra two control or two buttons up top. and so the new one also has those as well and again all super programmable all super customizable I think the look of it and the feel is great I think it's an absolute banger of a of a price going down from 250 to 200

still very expensive I know it's a very expensive controller but I freaking love these things and I just love my controller to feel really solid now what's cool about it just in my hands I'm not playing an actual game with it compared to many other controllers I have I do already feel like it

has a lot of what I'm looking for. And specifically, the back paddles, having that clicky mouse click, I haven't experienced that yet with any other back paddles. Normally, it's like a bigger, more mushy type button that you're dealing with. So really big fan of that. The Series X kind of. Yeah, exactly. But also, what's cool about this, even though it's expensive,

I imagine compatible with all the different systems. So that is not compatible. The new Razor is not compatible with PlayStation. It's only PC and Xbox. And that's a problem. PC and Xbox is where it's at. now the I yeah

Tim really you could have used those back paddles when you were you know restarting outlaws PlayStation you clown get your planet to show them up right now the reason that I

have been kind of using this a lot more than even my series to elite controller for Xbox is the back paddles having that sort of like clicky feel

and the triggers I love trigger stops I love being able to shorten the length of the trigger press but it being a click on the razor just feels so much nicer to me, like having

that tactile feel, and I just love the way that all the buttons feel on the, on the razor. So it's why I was like super stoked to try out this I don't like the short nubbies. Short nubbies. Like it's coming down shorter in your hand than than that Xbox one. Oh, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying.

The grips, I guess. The actual grip handles or whatever. Yeah, you're right. They definitely do feel a lot. Now, you pointed that out. I'm just going to notice that the whole time. I don't understand. Yeah, little baby hands. So Andy, like you, you have a bunch of controllers that in front of I know you take this very seriously, as do I. You take it seriously, and I think in a different way,

whereas for me, it's more like, I want the one controller to rule them all that I can play all my systems with. And the games I play, I'm playing a lot of Mario and Zelda. I'm playing a lot of Nintendo games, playing a lot of PlayStation story-based games. So the things that matter to me most, I would say, are the experience and the immersion, buttons feeling good, haptics feeling good, all of that.

Do any of these controllers for you, check all your boxes? Have you found the one? Is this the one? I think it's between this and still the series two, elite controller, from Xbox. Like, I still, there's still so much, like, versatility in this controller, but the added, a little clicky feel to this with the, you know, the light-up razor is a really, really nice touch. And I primarily play a lot of games on PC.

And if I am going to get a console game, it's usually going to be on Xbox just because that's easier for my Elgado setup whenever I want to stream back to, you know, going from console game to PC game. I think this is like as close as we've gotten to being the one. Still very expensive, right? But it's, it is a premium product. It's a premium feel. It feels solid. It's one of those like when you twist it. That's always kind of like the key indicator of like, is this like a premium controller and kind of twisting it in your hands? It just feels like a solid, really well-made product. Let me ask you this. Before we get into details on some other controllers, perhaps. What are the factors

that you think people need to care about when it comes to a controller and which are the ones that matter most to you? I'd say the easy customizable stuff, right? Like I love my series two, a controller by Xbox. I don't love

every time opening up the Xbox accessories app. It's just kind of an annoyance and I feel like I wish we were past that. I think the ability to set your own hotkeys and set what buttons you want to do what on the device alone is like super helpful and super cool and especially when it works right i'm i'm lucky i didn't run into any situations of like ah damn it this this razor

didn't do what i asked it to do it worked whenever i wanted to move certain buttons um i think that's like probably number one number two one one reason why i like the uh xbox elite two controller is the removable back paddles i don't i don't need four back paddles but i don't mind the other two's being there for a little clicks, you know what I mean? Like it is a fun little like, it is a feel thing. It feels nice,

but I only ever need, Twitchy type shit. I only ever need two back paddles. And that's usually for a dodge roll. And the other one is usually like a confirm or an item pickup. Or sprint. For me,

I use it for sprint in like, Tears of the Kingdom, for example. Yeah, that's a great call. That's a great call. Now, yeah, Tears is definitely a weirder one

because you can't remap your controllers or you can't remap like the sprint, right? Well, but I mean, you can, map it to the back buttons. Oh, true.

If you're using backpon. Totally right. You're totally right. Yeah. So for me, since I normally play a lot of like Souls games or whatever and a lot of people don't love their methodology of doing sprint and Dodge, but like their sprint is their dodge button. So you hold the button to sprint and then you tap, you let it go and tap it again and do a little dodge roll. So like for me, it's easy customization.

It is how many devices will this be able to work on? I think that's another big. Full features is the big thing I run into a lot. Yeah, so I think, I mean, you love your haptics. Love them. You freaking love that little trigger being able to tell you that this bow is fully pulled, right? You want to be immersed in that way. That stuff's great.

And I just want to be clear. As much as I do love that, I do think that stuff is awesome. It is more about the quality of the rumble, the quality of the vibration in the system. And I feel like the dual sense and the HD rumble on the pro controller for Nintendo and joycons is a step above anything. all of a step experience. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah.

So, um, I, I've lost my train and thought, where was I? I was talking about vibranes.

The things that matter to you. Yeah. So like the, the customization and being able to use it on as many devices as possible. For whatever reason, there just really isn't anything that can go between all devices. I know that eight bit dough makes that little adapter. Bluetooth don't know,

that makes it a lot more like functional, but I still, I don't know why I freak out at the idea of Bluetooth not being as responsive and maybe I don't know somebody's in my house and they got a weird kind of brainwave thing Bluetooth's just never super consistent right I feel like Greg would be the one to kind of

interfere with Bluetooth and their like frequencies sure yeah you know all my stuff's breaking yeah so like I still find myself in a spot where I need to have one for the PlayStation and I need to have one for PC and Xbox I also

there's another 8 bit dough that I didn't bring in that I use for my switch. But these 8-bit do's that are at this cost, I always get asked like, what's the best value? And I think like as much as I love these very expensive controls that feel super premium,

I still don't think you can really go wrong with something in this price rate. I back you up 100%. If I were to recommend one controller to the majority of people, it would be the 8-bit dough ultimate controller, which is the one I just had right there. you can make it work on all the systems

again using some dongles and stuff but it does work rumble good enough for most things definitely not the best but good enough all the buttons feel great it has the back paddles like it's pretty much everything you could be looking for back buttons there's uh yeah back buttons on this one and it's only two one on each side which is kind of like really

all you need yeah um and without adding just way too much shit there's a new one called the abid to ultimate controller c that adds the two top, the third shoulder buttons as well. And I think the retail on that one at this point is like 30 bucks, something like that? Yeah, I usually see them on Amazon around like,

well, some of them, I think, are around 40 to 60 now kind of in that price range, which is still like wildly freaking good. Yeah. The other thing I also look for is offset sticks. I need offset sticks. PlayS user fans, I know I'm wrong.

It's not that you're wrong. I know I'm right. And see, that's the thing is I am. I agree with you. I feel about every single controller thing, except for the offset sticks, and I think it's just genres of games you play.

For me, dual sense, it being on the same axis for platformers for like a lot of the games I play. I'm like, this is what I prefer. And that is a big issue, I think,

when it comes to finding controllers that work well for everything because I find that, I mean, D-pad is a huge, huge factor, right? I'm like, do these things have good D-Pads?

And a good D-Pad is so hard to come by. So hard to find. I don't get it. There's another one that I, also have. It's the an older 8-bit dough that sort of takes on the S-N-E-S color scheme. It's the 8-bit dough Pro 2.

Yeah, that's the one. Which is the controller I would recommend for retro gaming. If you're just, if D-PAD matters more than anything else, you'll want to get this guy. That was 8-Bid dough doing their best D-Pad at like Nintendo D-Pad impression. And yeah, a lot of people

freaking love this controller. But again, parallel sticks for me. What I had put out the call, sometime, I don't know, maybe six months ago or so, and was like, here's what I want in a controller. I want back paddles and I want offset sticks. And I had a lot of recommendations thrown my way of like, hey, this one lets you swap the D-pad and the stick placement, which can lead to other issues. I remember Astro had put out a C-4 controller a long time ago, or C-40 rather. And I had some issues with that because it was like these modules that yeah they can move and that's really really neat but i i would have some stick drift and things like that um speaking to this picture

stick drift real quick there's a thing called hall sticks right where the the hall it's using like magnets and stuff to be able to to not to minimize or get rid of uh stick drift entirely which is another thing to got it to look Wolverine pro v3 got it most controllers uh in the echelon that we're talking about are going to to have that these days yeah and so a lot of people threw out a different a bunch brands and the Wolverine v2 was like the one that I really had settled on because again I was looking for a PlayStation controller that had offset sticks with back paddles for for action for people who play action games or souls games it's super helpful to continue to because you can't pause in a souls game to continue to be able to run with your left thumb on the left stick and then use your right

thumb to swap over to the D pad to change an item to you know uh heel or whatever it is that the D-pad is doing that moment. And so I find that to be super helpful for offset sticks. And the V2 was like the number one option that everybody was throwing at me. I was like, shit, $250. That's a lot of goddamn money. Oh, it is. And, you know, plus taxes and end up being like $2.90 or whatever.

So it was not a cheap thing, but I've been using a freaking lot. So I immediately jumped at the chance to try out this V3. And I think it's the one. Like, I think this is the one I'm going to stick with for the first. foreseeable future until something else, you know, comes out. Whets your whistle? Catches your fancy? Well, I mean, here's the thing that bones me out, Greg, is that, like, the V2,

down this side, you got these little strips right here. What sort of breaks up the white plastic from the black handles, in there is where the lights shine. Ooh. The different, like, RGB stuff. And it looks, it's so sick looking. It looks awesome. And in here, the only light up you get is the logo.

No. Even though it has the same sort of like lining here, only the logo lights up. So that was- I don't want no lights. I'm a no-light guy. I don't want to be distracted by the shit. I'm in this dark room playing stuff. I only want the lights if it's like interacting with the game itself.

You get hurt or whatever. So the other thing I wanted to throw out that, that I think will help out a lot of people who still want this sort of premium experience, but maybe don't want to spend $200. They have a $100 version that is a wired version. Gotcha. And so, and I totally understand the, there's a lot of people who don't want wireless controls. They want that wired for that like, the perfect amount of no latency, right?

And so the wired one is $100 less, which is kind of crazy that they were, that they put it at that price range because I think it's such a damn good feel for $100 less is like a pretty awesome deal. But again, you're not getting the wireless functionality and you're not getting the little dongle that you can then plug into either the Xbox or the PC. Yeah. So yeah, I think that like this is going to be the one that I'm going to continue to use for a long time. Unless they email me, you're like, hey, send it back. I hope he had fun with the review unit. Send that sucker back. They do that. You send you forward to me. I'll respond. Andy died. What do you want to do? He was testing. He was driving home with all his controllers. My best response was how did he forward the email to you then? Well, I'm going to fake. No, no. Thank you for asking me. Remember, of course, we can get into any of your email.

emails and it's all legal. Yeah, it's all legal. Because we own kind of funny.com, Barrett. It's all true. Nick, pull up Barrett's emails!

Greg, what controller are you using these days? I still use the default default. You know, I think that Andy's such a great example of a head clicker. I'm an enthusiast. A pro gamer.

No, and it's also, though, you know, you play games on stream for an audience with, and you're drawn to the soul's likes. You're drawn to things, I think, that are twitchy and a bit more like,

I want to be perfect. I need to be perfect. I need to eliminate this. Yeah, and of course you are, usually. And I'm not, right? I am the story-based gamer. I am the, you know, PlayStation and first-party action adventure, schlock just coming out, you know what I mean?

So I don't feel like I need that. And even when, you know, we, Xbox has always been great about sending me every one of the elite controllers. PlayStation has sent the edge, right? Yeah, okay. And I did that. And it was that thing where I, with the edge, the games I was reviewing at the time,

like which were a Colistro protocol and I think something else I wanted to say Avengers I mean I wouldn't have been reviewing it but it might have been playing but I didn't sound right I had the different profiles and I changed those and switch those out and I really found that I just wasn't using it enough and again after playing games for so many years a certain way the back paddles are just so foreign to me that it was like learning all over again and this is going to sound weird but for the amount of previews we do which has drastically decreased in terms of in-person stuff since COVID, right? But when I think of a Pax and when I think of going to an event,

you know, you and I have redacted coming up, we're going to go play a game soon. It's that idea of I didn't want to relearn how to play a game and get to a point where I'm, oh, I'm so used to circle being on the back that I don't think of going there anymore. And I know that's such a weird thing to say, but as a very simple man,

it was just like, these are solving problems I don't have. I'm very much like, great. What I need is someone to make the Nintendo controller, and just make the buttons be in the right spot. Because I fucking hate this reverse shit they got going on. I know they were first and yady, yeah. But for me, that's the thing where it's just every time I'm always like, I fuck, I get the wrong.

I didn't confirm. I hate the wrong. You know what I mean? That's the one that gets me. And I know I can go into it and do it. And I've done it where I go into the Nintendo and I redo them. But every time I start the fucking game, it's like, do you want to keep this? And I'm like, I don't care enough to do this every time.

Let me out. Just let me fucking out. So it's like, again, problems that I just don't have where I like the simple controllers enough. So if I'm playing on PlayStation, I'm playing on PlayStation. You know, I do, this is, you know, I'm an idiot and I, you know, this isn't my conversation. But like, I do have many, I have many a time gone into the gameplay lab here. And I sit down and it's the Xbox.

You guys have all the elites with the paddles on there. First thing I do is rip off the paddles. But there's a couple times where I've gone in there and I either can't or something else is hooked up and it's a weird controller. And I walk right out and I get the Luna controller and I come back in and I plug and I play with the Luna controller. Because the control, it's like the one that's guaranteed to work immediately with all these systems. or whatever for some reason. It's like that one works fine for me. I just haven't had these problems.

You know, I mean, like a D-pad obviously throughout the years has been hit or miss, touching goal. But even then, it's like, you know,

I'm playing fields of... Mystery. Yeah, I started it last night. Yeah, yeah. Oh. I want to do some coverage of it. Nice.

You all next week. And it's, that was the thing where it's like, there I was like, oh, I should probably use the D-pad to control this character. And it's just like, I never use the D-pad.

I just, I'm not a D-Pad person. I'm a stick person. for the kinds of games I play, right? I'm not playing your 8-bit, even throwback retro stuff all that often. So, yeah, for me, the most part, it all does, it's fine. I, you know, obviously I'm a PlayStation person

and have been around a long time. I love the dual sense. I do love the Xbox controller, and its commitment to just being the Xbox controller. I love that. I love, obviously, their colorways in the design lab and all the stuff they do there. So if I was like, you know,

it's often, like, oftentimes when I'm playing stuff downstairs, like, now that I've become a full-blown. PC gamers. Yeah, of course. I've been like, oh, this is fun using the Xbox controller more.

And it was a weird thing when I had come off of like the, my last Starfield Bender where I put another 50 hours into that game where I sat, I went over to play something on PlayStation. I picked up the Duelsen's like,

oh, this feels weird. Like I've been using the Xbox controller so long. I like that controller so much. Even though I like my dual sense as well, don't get me wrong. But yeah, I'm just a basic bitch.

Yeah. I mean, we've said this many times, I think, in the last like year, just with the daily games cast and everything, but like, we're kind of at a place that all the default controllers are great.

Like, Xbox Nintendo and PlayStation all have great controllers, at least the pro sense of them, and then there is the elites that you can get for both Xbox and PlayStation. So it's like, we're just in the best time ever for both. It comes in the box, and if you want to upgrade and third party, like, there's just so many options out there.

Are you an edge? Oh, I'm going to have to have you hold off there before I let you know, Andy. Because I don't use the Dual Sense Edge. I know blessed us. We'll let you know after a word from our sponsors. Okay. If you've enjoyed the content we've made so far in 2024,

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where we take Patreon member calls live for everyone as previews of what a kind of funny membership gets you each and every month. I know you're about to go into this edge conversation. I just want one question. Do, as back button boys, as backdoor boys, do either of you use the back button? Tim's holding on the back buttons on the Steam Deck ever?

Oh, yeah. Oh, wow, really? I remap it every time. When I'm playing fields or I'm playing something else, I'm like, click it them once in a while, but I'm always like, I can't fathom using these.

It's an immediate remap. If it's an action game, immediate remap with a dash or dodge. And that's something like I don't do a lot of pro controllers that have back buttons, but Steam deck, like that is an immediate, like I need to be like mapping controls to the back buttons.

And that's primarily like with the face buttons and the triggers, feeling so like, I feel like I really got to spread my fingers. And I have to, I usually will remap, I believe, the shoulder buttons to the back buttons. So I can just have my thumb on like the face buttons and not have to worry about moving fingers up to the shoulders. Yeah. And then, you know, the big issues or the big response I'll always get is like, Andy, just play claw.

And it's like dog. Like I'm going to have some sort of like tendonitis and arthritis at an early age. I don't need to speed that shit up. You know, like, claw has just always looked so insanely awful to me to try to use. And for claw, a lot of people don't know what claw is. If you're listening right now, I was like, Andy, what the heck are you talking about? It's, you know, my alternative is let me have my dodge and my run on a back paddle. So I could just keep my thumb on the right thumbstick.

But claw, you end up sort of like curling in your right index finger to sort of hit the face buttons, with, and it's usually for people who are playing, like, it's mainly for shooters I've seen, like a lot of, like, Halo players and stuff will use Claw. To jump in real quick. It is awful. Awful. I know Clawful incredibly well from playing Monster Hunter on PSP back in a day.

Yeah. And Peace Walker, I think, too, even where that was like. Any PSP. Yeah. And even out, I'll see you walk up to your door handle and you're just like, oh, I got Joey, can you open the door for me? I mean, to your point with that, I feel like that a lot of the back paddle stuff is the natural evolution of, like, bumper jumper.

being a control scheme back in the console early days of first person shooters on console. And like, you know, these these advancements, I imagine that within two generations of consoles, the basic controllers are going to come with backpals. Like I think that like we're just already at that point that like it is it is a feature, not like a luxury. I think. Yeah. And I feel like they're designing things around that as well.

Dude, I totally agree. Especially when I, I'll be back home at a local Best Buy and I'll see. You know, whatever the, like, $30, $40 switch controllers are, their pro variants of, you know, different brands like with an N, is it Knox? Noxie? Nixie? Is it Nixie? There's like some, a lot of like different third-party brands that make stuff for Switch

where it's like, here, this one has told stool on it, and this one has, you know, Mario and all that shit. But they always have back paddles. Yeah. Regardless of the price. They're always like, here are these back paddles. And I've bought a lot of bad ones, granted. I bought some controllers

from my nieces and nephew back in the day when I had first kind of gotten in their switch and like these were, whoa, they got back paddles, that's awesome. And they were really not great. But yeah, I do feel like it's becoming more of a regularity. We're seeing it just on standard-ass little controllers. Yeah.

And I don't know. I just feel like if you give it a chance, it will kind of become something you just get used to and it becomes like your norm, you know? 100%. I mean, yeah, like for the Steam deck, I love my Steam Deck OLED so much, but my biggest issue with it is, to bear its point,

a lot of the button placements are just suboptimal, let's just say, with how far they are and how unnaturally your thumbs actually fit on those. And even those back paddles, they are like the worst placed back paddles I've ever experienced on any type of game controller. But I had to on Steam Deck? On Steam Deck? Yeah.

But I had to buy little like extender things, just like you did with Bob Wolf's thing. Yeah. And solved most of my problem. But interesting because I love the back paddle placement. I just don't like the, I wish it was more of a button. I wish it was 15% easier to push in. There's a little bit too much resistance there.

Yeah, exactly. And you'll see that with certain, like the scuff controller that I bought a couple years ago. I had bought in this one because I initially bought a scuff controller that I sold to blessing and thought that that was going to get him started on his, on his like back paddle journey. And just never did. He just like probably hasn't. came a back door boy. He probably hasn't touched it since then.

It really, really bums me out. You know, I want him to touch the back door. Should be good at there. Knock, knock, knock. And so when I... Let me and Tim, it's me, Craig. So I bought that one. And then Scuff ended up being like,

hey, we have customizable ones. Like, oh, God damn it. So I ended up, like, buying the customizable one, selling that one to bless. And I used this one for a decent amount, but it was mainly when PS5 had just come out and I wanted to play, like, Demon Souls remake and stuff.

on the PS5 and have a back paddle. But when I look at what this sort of variety is of controllers, and if you were to ask me, what are the recommendations, what are your top controllers if we could do like a verge or a rating sort of like, here's the best budget, but here's like the best one if you got money to spend.

The best budget one is easily the 8-bit dough ultimate. I think you looked it up. feels what, $499.99. Yeah, it depends. You can also, I've seen it a lot for $30. Yeah. Um, I think it's still like a really, really solid build of a controller. I don't love the way the triggers feel, but that's because most kind of controllers emulate

that sort of trigger feel. Um, so if you're used to the way these, the way normal controllers triggers feel, this is how that will feel as well. I prefer, I prefer the click. I do want to say with a bit, though. You are running a risk. I have had at least five controllers borked from, um, um, charging incorrectly.

Really? USBC is not universal. So yeah, there's been a lot of issues that I've had of having to return things, getting back. They're great about customer service, but I've had more than my share of annoyances across the board with 8-bit dose controllers, whether it's the ultimate controller

or the pro that's more S&S-shaped. Throw away all your shitty USBCs. Because there's got to be a bunch of USBC cables that just... Let me see, here's the problem. Mine are too good. my good cables are fucking it I need to use the shitty ones that just come with it why are your good ones good

is it like a voltage thing or is it all the things yeah what the fuck high ratings yeah USBC man that's crazy um so yeah 8 bit though is the one that I would give the recommendation for for the budget line and even then I say budgeted it sounds like I'm like telling you to get a it is a cheap controller yeah but like I don't want people to think like I still think it's a super

viable awesome controller for this price especially. The, and the programming is like fairly similar as well. Yeah, I feel like this, this checks all the boxes of good enough. Yeah, absolutely.

I do wish that the handles are a little bit more slanted out. They're a bit more like parallel to each other. So that's a little, again, a little tiny nitpicks. But for, hey, you got money to spend,

it's really, really hard to go wrong with either this newer razor for $199. I think that there's a middle ground, even. The, the gilly kit, King Kong controller. Barrett, it's the bottom one up here. This, you should buy another control. God, don't do it.

This one, I think, is just the step up from the 8-bit ultimate controller, where it has everything that has, but just kind of better, feels better, feels more premium. Love the feeling of the sticks. Great D-pad. A lot of great things about it. The problem. No back panels. Oh.

And it's just like, well, what the fuck is the point? Well, what's ahead? But it has clicky buttons like this one. Where it's like mouse clicking more than anything. And you may run into some issues with some games where, for example, I was, when I was playing the critically acclaimed Mario Sunshine. Oh. Everybody's favorite 3D Mario game, I was playing on the Switch Pro controller. And the Switch Pro controller is our digital, either you're clicked into the trigger or you're not clicked into the trigger.

right? It's either on or off. There's no analog controlling there. There's no varying degrees of pushing the trigger. So that made the experience less than great, but that's a much older game. I don't know how many games nowadays fully utilize like all of the analog sort of thing. If you're playing a PlayStation game that has like that bow pool, then you've got to have that tension. You got to have the tension, Greg. And I think that's where like the dual sense edge, which is another, you know, Sony's premium version of that. that I haven't really messed around with the edge a whole lot because it is parallel six,

and that's why I didn't, or else I would have immediately gone for it. But I know people love the, I know people love edging out there. I mean, what a great tee up for me. I love edging. I edge all over the goddamn place.

I edge on the PlayStation, I edge on the Xbox, I edge on the Nintendo Switch, I edge on the Steam deck. The Dual Sense Edge is my controller of choice. By far, by a landslide, not even a question. And again, this goes back to,

I don't care about the offset. I don't play games like that. I don't care. So to me, I love the D-Pad that PlayStation has provided us for generations at this point. But it just feels right to me. I love the face buttons all being flat.

I don't like the curved buttons that everyone else insists on using. To me, the PlayStation controller layout is what I'm looking for. And the edge adds all of the premium things that I want, including the weight and the feel. I feel like one thing we haven't talked a lot about is the feel of the quality of the plastic

even of a lot of these controllers. Um, some of them like the Xbox series, um, the Xbox Elite series too, which I would put there, uh, as a direct runner up to the dual sense edge. This thing is fantastic. I just prefer the non-offset sticks. So I go dual sense and I like haptics and all that stuff. The feel of the handles on this is fantastic. When you get this like little ribbed section going on, um, and the dual sense edge similarly has like that little sacred symbols, um, things popping out. So it, and it feels really nice. A lot of, a little bit of little ribbed section going on. Um, um, um, um, and the dual sense edge similarly has like that little sacred symbols, um, um, um, and it feels like, and it feels really nice. A lot of the other controllers though when you get a little bit more budget start to not feel good even though they have this it's just hard plastic um and that's been a big bummer for me for controllers that i love otherwise but i'm just like after a while i think even the eight bit though ultimate has this problem um if i remember correctly where it's like it feels like cheap plastic it doesn't feel like a quality product um and the edge is perfect the weight is nice um it feels like metal is in your hands as opposed to just like some lightweight bullshit um the

haptics are incredible and the being able to you, I forget the word you used, but being able to change it so that the triggers are... Trigger stops. I think that those are like a necessity for like premium controllers and there's a shocking amount of them that just don't offer that. So if a lot of the other controllers would let you, I feel like I might be more open to some of them, but that's where the Elite Series 2 and the dual sense edge and I guess the Wolverine really kind of like set themselves apart for me because I like the shallowest. R2 and L2 you can possibly get. Oh. Because I like that, the immediate click of it all. Yeah, this feels freaking fantastic.

The thing that I don't love about the Elite 2 controller, one of the things I don't love about it is I've had a couple where the rubber grips around will just start kind of falling off. Like they start kind of disconnecting from the hard plastic section. It's happened to two of them, actually. I wonder, like, is it like the humidity? in the room or some shit, what's going on here? And so I wondered, like,

is it just the quality of the plastic? But then I'll never forget when Forza Horizon 5 came out, Xbox sent out free Forza Horizon 5 controllers. They weren't elite. They were just normal controllers, but they had like that sort of clear yellow plastic with like pink and blue splatter. But the handles,

they went for some sort of like car adjacent theme on the handles where it was like, I don't know if it was the rubber of a tire or something like that or maybe like the upholstery of a vehicle. But it felt fucking awesome. And I really thought that that was just going to be the next way that the handles would feel on from here on out. But it was only that controller.

And it bummed me the hell out because like, because then I ended up buying the, oh, I guess it's only on the backside. Yeah, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the fours of controller only has that sort of rubber on the backside. That's a hot control wheel. Steering wheel. I love that. That's right.

That's what it is. It's that little perforated leather look. It was awesome. I freaking loves the way it felt. And then no other controller ended up having that from then on out. And then I knew that that wasn't going to be the case

when Razor came out with their or Xbox put out a 20th anniversary edition of their just normal controller. And it came with a Razor little stand and the same handle was not... The handle was just basically an elite controller handle and I got really, really bummed out.

But bring back the Forsa handle, man. That shit was. Put it on everything. Doesn't even need to make sense. Yeah, make the whole controller just that. It felt so good to hold, dude. But going back to the dual sense edge for a second, I love it, and another highlight for me is the bumpers. I feel like the back paddles, or not bumper, sorry, back paddles,

are exactly how I want them to feel. They're more similar to the Xbox Series X, where they are that kind of like lever almost. Are they like this? This is the scuff. Are they like this? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not these inside ones. Yeah, the outside ones.

Yeah, but it feels. a little more premium than this. This feels like plastic. The other one's... It only looks dirty. Sorry, I know you're going to think, like, man, he's so gross. Look at how, like, gross man. Is that why you brought in the wipes? I was wondering... I brought him the wives. Yeah, well, I... The reason that the handle got really, really dark is when we did our Final Fantasy rebirth stream, and I dyed Mike's hair black,

and then a lot of the hair died was on our hands, and something in my control was like, dude, what the fuck? It looks like the way a basketball looks after you've played streetball for, like a year. Yeah, it looks really, really gross. Um, the, the biggest issue that everyone's going to bring up with the dual sets is the battery life, right? Always, whether it's the normal one or the dual sense edge. Um, I'm very privileged to be in a position that I can do this and say this, but I bought two dual sense edges or maybe I got one of them, but I did buy it. I bought at least one of them. You psycho. If not too. But it's awesome because I use it from my different systems. So for me, it is the convenience of having having one that's attached to my PlayStation and then having one that's connected to the other three systems. it's just easier because to play Dual Sense on Xbox you do need one of those

8 bit though Bluetooth USB Connectors. So it does work that way then. You have you plug the USB connector from 8 bit though into an Xbox. Everybody listen up. It's very very important. Then you can use the dual sense edge on the Xbox. Yeah, because I know that they're like There's still like a thought that that may be incompatible in some ways because I've

personally never tried it but you're hearing it from fucking horse's mouth right. I do it. I do it all the time. Well, not all the time. No Xbox games. Damn. I'm PC that we're eating. Come on. You kidding me over here?

Sorry, keeping up the energy from earlier. You keep bringing up the goddamn Lincoln Park website. It's doing some shit to me. I'm just fucking on an update. Do you want an update?

Yeah, please give me the update. It's now three hours. And 45. There we go. It's counting up. No, but jokes aside, Indiana Jones, I'm going to be playing on a dual son's edge.

All my Xbox. I'm not going to wait for the PS5 version. So the 8-bit dough little controller adapter. I don't love the way it looks. I don't either. It's like a Mario brick. Yeah, they sell one that's not, though. They sell one that's different.

And there's also a different version you can get that just looks clean. But it's also in the back of your system. Who the hell cares? Yeah, you're right. It's like $2,99, I believe. I think it's 19. It's really cheap. And it allows you do a whole bunch of different stuff.

But anyways, yeah, playing Dual Sense Edge on everything's been great. I've had zero problems with it. And then again, having two of them has been awesome in case one of them dies on me. I say all of this to bring up the fact, it's never died on me. I've never actually had this issue. So, like, people are out there like, oh, man, the dualist's edge dies so fucking fast. I'm like, yo, I played Final Fantasy 16 for like eight hours at a time, and it didn't die on me. So I don't know.

Everyone's, has anyone, has a dual sense died on anyone here? No. A normal dual sense, yes, but not an edge. I've never tried the edge. I've only had the normal dual senses. I have like the little charging dock. I have two controllers. I've got my main Spider-Man controller and then just like a normal, like, white one.

And I feel like it varies On like sometimes Like I'll do a session that's like After like two or three hours It's like oh low battery life And then sometimes I'll play a game for like Yeah what you're saying like seven Eight hours throughout like a day

Without turning it off and it's like fine So I really It feels inconsistent for me at least Yeah I believe people that there's die I'm just saying that like I I'm like there with you It hasn't been like that's always when I talk about

The dual sense and how much I love the people I'm like I don't know I guess I'm getting down there and I'm playing my life's so broken up that I mean if I'm lucky I'm playing four hours and it's not dying but I'm putting on the dock and walking out. If I just let it sit there on the couch

yeah then it'd be dead but I have another one on the dock so whatever. No, Barrett, you who are not primarily a back you're not a back paddler, you're not a backdoor boy. You're not a backdoor boy. I'm a steam backdoor boy you know. So, okay, so I mean, is that just because lack of interest or because it seems like the back paddle being there you're like, yeah,

I'm down. I could use that, and I do use that on the steam deck. It's primarily just because of the stretching of fingers that I have to do with, like, how small and, like,

high up the face buttons are on the steam deck, and then, like, the, like, trigger buttons for the steam deck. It just, like, try, and then also holding the steam deck.

It's a lot of, like, force up here that's just, like, not viable. So then just, you know, um, using the, back paddles to just kind of have the holding of the steam deck be a bit more comfortable.

Gotcha. Whereas like for a regular controller, like, yeah, it's lack of interest. Like, I'm kind of like Greg where it's just like I'm doing the basic controller kind of thing. Good enough. This is good enough. What if I told you you could have beat Consort Rodon and Eldon Ring DLC in three hours instead of eight if you had back paddle? Think about it. I don't feel like I was really clawing.

Like the only time I claw in. No, no, no, but like, the alternative to claw is me watching, like, when I was watching Bless Play Wukong, and the amount of moments he's running up having to take his thumb off the camera to then dodge and do something, it's like, oh, man, like, you're, too good for that. You're playing in a, yeah, people say that, but it took eight hours. People say that, and they're like, well, Andy, you just have to never die. It's like, dog, like, I'm, I'm okay at these video games, and I do. I've done this once or twice.

And I do even better because of not having. But I also beat him pre-patch, you know. He got easier, apparently. And then I was also definitely a little bit. Now that we could kind of openly talk about the game, like I was, I think Mitchell Saltman beat Redonet, like, was it Shadow Tree level like 15 or 16? And I was level 13. Like, I was definitely coming in a little bit underleveled.

I also think he got harder after the patch, but that's neither here nor not. No, no. No, no. He suddenly had a bunch of bear watch me play. playing him post patch? He was like, what the fuck are all these moves? I'm like,

yeah, I know, it's fucking weird. Lakey Traguine says he didn't get patched. Yes, he did. He 100% got patched. The,

like, it's not only just like the dodgiest stuff. I just really love not, when there's games that where you're constantly picking shit up off the ground, little plants and little items,

putting Y on the left side of the back paddle was so great. Playing like a lot of Souls games playing something like, I think, goes maybe it might have been Stellar Blade where I was constantly having to pick up

items off the ground and it was just so nice being able to run by something, hit the button and just mash it and not have to stop hit Y, stop hit Y. It's just, it's a convenience thing. And I'm willing to pay premium for that convenience. I play a game for like maybe 15 minutes

and then I have a check in with myself of like could I enhance this experience? How could I optimize my video game times? And then I like, then I like set it and then that's just that so I do it game by game I don't have a necessarily like a set thing like it sounds uh like you know it soon as I happen to a game I'm like there's a dodge put that put that shit on B so you have your dodge on the right or the left right on the right

interesting see I I normally go dodge left but that's because of smash brothers with like when you hit the like left shoulder button to like do the roll oh okay you know yeah I'll just be running and then picking up items and my thumb always stays on the stick It's just so nice. So anyway, I friggin, I love controls and I didn't, I didn't really realize that it was something that I was becoming an enthusiast for until I've probably bought. Until I probably bought my fourth or fifth and I was like, oh shit, like I'm buying a lot of these suckers. But a lot of this is like just to kind, I want to just find the right one that could possibly be the one that sticks. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Oh man. I do before we leave, want to give a couple shoutouts on the Nintendo side after my years of journeys of going to. through all this stuff before I'm at. Baird, if you bring up this MovaPad M6, after all of my money spent, let's just call it what it is. The MovaPad M6, I think, is the best

pro-joycon replacement for the switch. You've been on a hunt, man. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. These look awesome. And this is, they're great. They feel like real controllers. They have the mouse-clicky click to them all. You can replace the D-pad with an actual D-pad that's pretty damn good.

good. They actually have HD Rumble, so you're not missing out on any of the Nintendo effects and all that stuff. The only downside to these, and this is a reality. There's always one. There is. There always has to be one. And this one can be perfect.

Because the other one didn't have haptics. I remember one of them didn't have any vibration. You gave those to me. Yeah. And I and I love those. I have so many. There's so many. My biggest problem with these goes back to what I was saying earlier is they feel not premium at all.

They try to do the like ribbed back and it's just hard plastic and it just hurts your hand after some time. And not even after that long. Like you're on a flight by the end of the flight, you're gonna be like, God damn it. I just, I wish that this had the like polish of like a real Nintendo controller or something.

So definitely a bummer there, but I do think that these are by far the best full-sized JoyCon controllers you can possibly get currently if you still are looking for these at the end of the Switch's life. Um, but if you're looking for something that's a little bit more just like, I, I just wanted to be portable still, but I don't want the joy cons because they're just too small.

The hoary split pad compact. Uh, they do the hoary split pad pro that are more similar to the ones we just looked at that are full size controllers. I do not recommend those anymore. Um, they're a little too big. They don't have vibration at all. Um, but these, um, I also don't think have vibration, um, but they're the ones you gave to me and I freaking love to play in Tears of the Kingdom on them. They got the back paddles. Uh, they're great for Tears of the King. them. These are just kind of like

enhanced joycons, but without rumble, which is a major concession. I take it back. These are the ones that you gave to me and then I gave these to heaven because you were giving me another pair. You guys are sick. You guys are just sick. You're as bad as pair behind all the just regular joycons.

I'd like to just like, you know, maybe we just end the episode with like a visual like a waterfall with like Okay. Is that coming through the microphone? Absolutely not. It sounds so nice. Well, it sounds real good in here, everybody.

Let us know in the comments below what your favorite controllers are. Actually, we did get some superchats. I want to read through these. Billy Davis saying, I bought a Vader 4 Pro from Fly Digi, and I love it. I can't get stick drift, has back buttons, and you can set up the triggers to be a mouse click. I do not know this one, Vader 4 Pro. Vader, god damn, don't do this to me. Don't recommend more.

I know, don't give us more. I actually also have another recommendation as well. I'm going to bring it up on a screen here. I fucking got him. Got him. I should have seen it coming. That's your ass, dude. All right.

You're stuck in space out there without a save. Fuck it. God damn. Hope you love your trinket. Silent Ninja says, does it have vibration or did they take it out? Does the Wolverine have vibration? Yes. Okay, good.

Yeah, absolutely. Has Michael says, has Andy tried the Turtle Beach Pro controller? That's the one that I, that was one of the ones I got recommended to me. and the other recommendation is one that I can see the brand on Amazon, but the Turtle Beach was recommended to me. I didn't give it a shot because the Razor one seemed like it had more of the answers for what I was looking for. Man, the other one is killing me.

It's on Amazon. I got linked it so many freaking times on Twitter, and I cannot for the life of me to remember. Is that the Turtle Beach one? They got a screen on that second? No. That can't be. I mean, the other ones that I saw,

on the search are also like screens and shit. People be trying too hard. Like that seems like too much. I don't know about all that. Just spent an hour talking about them an nuisance of all these concerns. People try.

They put a screen on this one. No, but that's the thing is it's like there's things that we're looking for and then there's just, we don't need more shoulder buttons. We don't need like too many backpals. I bet you a year from now I'll be like, I need four more shoulder buttons.

I was gonna say you guys like the one. I need a tiny screen with a website on. You guys like this. Well, no, I'm just calling out that it's a trend. I don't like it. I think that's dumb. I think it's dumb, everybody.

Doesn't Astro have one? Astro did at one point. It was the C40, and it looks like the other one that I'm trying to think of because it was module-based, where the thumbstick and the D-pad were both on one piece, and then you could, like, pop it out of the whole body, and then, like, spin them and stuff,

and you could replace, and you could give the controller offset six if you wanted or swap to parallel, and the Astro one gave me, like, enough issues, That's when I was in my peak apex days on console. Peak apex days. That's where my apex on console was crashing every other game. What happens at the four hour mark for the Lincoln Park countdown? It keeps going.

Drill and K says, can you ask Andy, is there pro-control? Is there a pro-controller for the PS5 outside of the edge that supports haptics or actually has solid vibration function? I don't think so. I don't think so. The razor does not have like the bells and whistles when it comes to all the vibration stuff. Oh, the Victrix. Thank you, liar in the chat.

Yeah, PDP Victrix Pro. I keep forgetting it's by the brand PDP. I know, like, I just keep on thinking that it's like the brand name is Victrix. But yeah, it's the, the Victrix one is one that has those modules. It looks super similar and kind of operates similarly to how the C4, or the C40 looked by Astro. But I saw enough negative reviews to where I didn't want to put down the money. It didn't have a great rating on Amazon.

I usually say fuck it. I'll just give it a shot, but it had like a three point something score and everything else is like 4.3 or whatever. Matthew Morales says, Tim, have you talked about what you play it on your flight? That will be tomorrow's games cast.

Special guest, so stay tuned for that. And then Sean says, my dual sense developed stick drift so I need a new controller. I'm more like Greg and gaming. Do I go all out and get the edge or the base? I mean, if you're interested in a premium version

of the dual sense, I think that you're going to be very happy with the edge. I also think that if you don't really need any of the fancy stuff, you don't care about how premium it feels, the dual sense itself is great. But once, in my opinion, once you go edge, you're not going to want to go back. But Greg's proof against that, so I don't know.

I'm fine, everybody. Got a few more dollars in my pocket and don't know what I'm missing. Little Redler says Steam controller is my favorite controller. Happy there's someone out there like that. A steam controller. Remember that thing? Oh, the one with a big touch. Yeah.

That was weird. had one at a rooster teeth and we were like we just had a bunch of controllers to kind of mess around with this thing feels like shit man but the little vibration against your thumb felt really interesting and weird i mean i kind of like that on the steam back even every once in a while just i'm rolling around like how does this work man it's so bizarre what's touching me down i don't like how curved that thing is uh let us know how curved yours is in the comments below um we're going to do beetlesuice and review for kind of funny favorites that might have been too far think it was. Like, if you think it is, then yeah. Like, for sure. Oh, shit, everybody. It's

going to be a fucking good day. We're not done yet. Beetlejuice, baby, beetle juice, beetle juice, beetle juice. Bye.