Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Our Video Game Mount Rushmore - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Episode Date: August 2, 2024

What is our video game Mount Rushmore? But most importantly, what even IS the Mount Rushmore. Run of Show - - Start - Housekeeping - The Video Game Mount Rushmore - What is Mount Rushmore? - SuperChats - Ads - The Arguments Continue Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Yeah. Your time. Do you focus? I know I'm 40 seconds in. Focus. That voice of here, of course, is Greg Miller. Hi. Hi. Your time is a big deal. Lucy James does him in like 22 seconds. It sucks. I don't know how she does it. She had them fast fingies. You can cheat. I bet she chees. For somebody who's

I was sick, for somebody who's British, why do you know like New York crossword puzzles that well? Right. Does I have this kid is American? Do you think she like will look at clue, then pause and then think about it for a while. Yeah, yeah. She probably got an alt account. She's just GTA4 running in the background, just listening for little clues here and there.

Oh, that voice, of course, is Andy Cortez. Hello. Hello, Andy. Bless, can we talk about what you ordered today? Oh, yeah, go for it. Today's been a rough day, everybody. Of course, Game Informer got closed down. We are all grieving and dealing with it in different ways. I don't know if any of

us are dealing with it the way the blessing is, though. Because we were over in the office side of the studio, while Greg and Mike would do in an amazing episode of kind of funny games daily breaking down all the news about the game and former closure. Blessing just leaves earlier than he normally leaves.

And he just like walks out the door doesn't say bye to anybody. And then he comes back hands full. In one hand, a Twix coffee. Twix iced coffee by Victor Allen's. They sell it at Target apparently. And the other hand, a personal Pizza Hut pizza. It's my guy.

It's my guy right there. I've been trying to figure out the lunchtime situation, like the strategy around lunchtime. Because, you know, our schedule changed a few months ago now where we do gamescast every single day after KFTD. And then, of course, we have to stream right after gamescast. On Fridays, Fridays is a big day for me because it is KFD, then gamescast, then game showdown, then a stream. Today, I am on, not on KFD, but I am on gamescast, game showdown, and then the stream. So I have to figure out what my lunch, what my lunch is going to be. Because I eat breakfast before I come in,

but that can't hold me until 3 or 4 p.m. But I just might get out of all that. And so I'm eating an early and early pizza. And that's why I want to say shit about it. I applaud you because my problem is I usually just can't. 10.30, I know I need to eat lunch on those days. I'm like, I don't want to eat lunch right now. You know what I mean?

This biggest thing. Now what I will say is that right now on podcast services, on YouTube.com slash kind of funny games. MCU and review is back, putting Logan into the MCU and review. Tim went the opposite on that. where rather than eat before he does eight hours of content, he decided to try to eat at the end and he just couldn't make it.

So Joey Noel brought him Taco Bell burritos to eat. And he's like, I apologize I'm going to have to eat on the show. It is one of the greatest moments. Roger, I hope you're watching. I don't know if you watched this live yesterday. I need you to break it out where Tim has a half-eaten burrito in his hand

goes into this touching story about his mother and her dementia and starts tearing up, finishes. He goes, tears still on his face and his eyes goes in on his burrito. I was like, that is amazing. I had to. I honestly, it was one of those things where I was on, I was tearing up.

You know what I was getting choked up? I was on the brink of like a meltdown. And I was like, I got to stuff my face. You know what I mean? Trying to distract yourself. He was looking away from the camera at the time, only listening. Drake immediately laughing after and not knowing what happened on camera. I was like, Jesus, what a time to laugh with somebody, Greg.

Yeah, I know. I explained it to audio listeners. real quick, too. Oh, man, you gotta love it, everybody. We have fun here, kind of funny. And thank you all for supporting us with the kind of funny membership. So many of you are popping off today. Thank you for that, because

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You know he's having a rough day. Just let him drink the twigs. It's like I hate when that happens. It tore, again, perfectly right above where the twisty is. And so now I have to like picket it to get to the twisty. Jesus Christ, everybody. But we've been doing a lot of fun episodes recently where we have just more kind of

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he gave up I just looked at great I was like I don't know man I don't know holy hell today is going to be one of those episodes during a fun game scouts. I've never met a drink that they don't want to be drinking.

Here's a little house. You fucking bitch, come in! I don't want to games is an 11-person small business that's all about live talk shows. Games Daily was all about Game Informer closing. After this, we will be doing Game Showdown, continuing season two, with the whole regular cast,

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definitely a must listen, I would say. Thanks for making our dreams a reality, Patreon producers, Carl Jacobs, and Delaney Twining. Today we're brought to you by Shady Ray's hymns and Portillo merch, but we'll tell you about that later. For now, let's start with the topic of the show. It's being a Carl.

I got my Mr. B. sword shield and jacket. I'm rocking this event in Monster Hunter now. Great back in Moss Hunter now, everybody. God, real quick, Pokemon Go. Yeah. Bless, I've been crushing it. Oh, yeah. I am now over halfway through level 48,

which Andy, if you're keeping track, that means I'm a level and a half away from hitting 50, baby. We're getting there. We're getting there. I'm going to Mexico in a couple weeks just to get one of these fuckers. Today, the topic of the show is the video game Mount Rushmore. We talked about this.

We hinted at this. We discussed this a little bit last week on one of the different shows where it came up at some point that we think that Fortnite belongs on the video game Mount Rushmore and blessing was perturbed by that. He did not like the fact that we said that. I wasn't perturbed. I was open to the idea of Fortnite being in the conversation. But I just think there's certain things that hold it back. But then that brought up the idea of oh, that's a good topic. We should talk about what is the video game Mount Rushmore. And so that's what we're going to do today. And remember you can get involved in this conversation via YouTube superchats that we'll be getting to throughout the show.

So if you agree with what we're saying, let us know. If you disagree, please let us know why. And if you have better examples and better video games to put on this list, let us know. And we will discuss if we think you're wrong or if we think that you're a stupid idiot, you know what I'm talking about? It's going to be a good one today. Now, before we even get into it, there was a discussion yesterday on Slack of what do we need to prepare for this? what is this? And I was like, you know what?

I think this is a perfect example of a topic that we should not prepare for and that we should get at this table and talk about what even the fuck is a video game Mount Rushmore. But to do that, I think you really need to ask.

What is Mount Rushmore? What is Mount Rushmore? Can anybody at this table name the four heads on Mount Rushmore? Oh, fuck. This is already going so much better than I expected. So. Benjamin Button.

Nope. Not of close. Absolutely not. Washington. Mm-hmm. Lincoln. Mm-hmm. Jefferson Roosevelt.

He nailed it. Wow. Nailed it. Greg Miller, everybody. Greg fucking Miller. It was just that that initial panic. It's like a game showdown thing. I'm like, you know, you know the game, but you got that one fucking Roger.

I mean, you started. Fucking Roger. Remember when he screwed? me last week. I should have the fucking win. I don't remember that. I think I remember him being fair. You do remember it. Who won? And who were they rep? Oh, we tied. And you know what happens when a tie happens? It's just a fucking tie.

Pete trophies. So you got a star and I got a star. No. Nothing really changes. I mean, I got a star. I like that. Anyways, Mount Rushmore, I learned a lot in the last I don't know, two hours. About Mount Rushmore. Now, here's the thing. I I don't know that I would have named Roosevelt. That's probably the one that I wouldn't have got to. But the other guys, I would have got them down, all right?

But here's the bigger question. Why? Why Mount Rushmore? Why are these men on this mountain? It's a good question. You know? Because that's the thing. If we're going to talk about the video game Mount Rushmore, like what actually are we

trying to say? Are we just saying the most iconic, the most important, the most evolutionary, revolutionary, influential? I don't know. What are these men? Like these men specifically. What are these men? The answer might surprise you,

Edie Cortez. Sure. All right. All right. The purpose of Mount Rushmore is to commemorate the founding, expansion, preservation, and unification of the United States. Can you say those words again? The founding.

Founding. Expansion. Expansion. Preservation. Preservation. Preservation. Preservation. And unification. Unification. Unification. By preserving, protecting, and interpreting the mountain sculpture in its historic cultural and natural setting while providing the education enjoyment and inspiration to the public. Of course. Now, couldn't I said it better myself.

That's, that's one thing, right? But what does that actually mean? Let's dig into it. Gutsen Borglum. Okay, Tim. All right, Tim. Do you know this bad? Do you know this bad? No, I don't. Do you have like a fruit by the foot in your mouth? Like that's it? G-U-T-Z-O-N. That's a Star Wars character. All right. Okay. Chose four presidents to carve on the mountain because to him, they represented the first 150 years of American history. See?

This is all coming together a bit. George Washington, the first president of the United States, represents the birth slash founding of the country. Of course. Thomas Jefferson, the third president of the United States, symbolizes the expansion of the United States, made possible by his purchase of the country. Louisiana territory from France in

1803. Learning a lot. Abraham Lincoln. One number president was he, Andy. 15. 16. 16. From the great state of Illinois.

Embodies the preservation of this nation in confronting the challenges of the Civil War. You were a visit his house? Yeah, in Springfield. Yeah, when you had to do like the class trip. Yeah, field trip. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you're in his house. That's crazy.

Yeah, that's the thing you do when you live in Illinois. Whoa. Theater. Get out of here. Get off my long, you damn kids. Theodore Roosevelt, the 26th president represents the development and unification of the country because of his support

of the construction of the Panama Canal. Panama. I always get mixed up the 15th Pokemon, which is Bidreel. Of course. And the 16th president, which is Abraham Lincoln. It's a weird nomenclature. Uh-huh, uh-huh.

Wait, so Lincoln represented the preservation? Lincoln was the preservation of the nation in confronting the challenges of the Civil War. Gotcha. A bit of a stretch. I like it though. I see where they're taking us. Right.

Yeah. So reading all of this, I'm like, huh, the Mount Rushmore isn't necessarily what we thought it was when we're talking about video games. You know? I think we could translate it, though. I think so too, but that's my question to y'all.

Is that what we want to do? We can do whatever we want. Yeah. Like, whenever I do any of these Mountain Rushmore's for sports athletes or whatever the topic is, I always try to make it a mix of like, old greats that sort of like set the stage and current amazing like you know all stars or whatever and so it's always a mix back i never will do like all games in the last

10 years or all games in the first 10 years of gaming it's always a mix of both you want to have you know some of the people that like really really were out there pioneering what games were and the big ones and then recently you know you get though in cheers the kingdom or whatever the hell you want you know what i mean well that's the See, going into this, I already had ideas in mind of who I would put on my video game out, Rushmore, as far as video games. And they all are probably games that are released in the first 30 years of video games being a thing. Like, I don't think I have any picks from the last 20 years in mind. What I like, again, we made a point not to discuss this.

Are we doing games? Are we doing characters? Are we doing developers? Are we doing individual developers? So we're doing games. The conversation you're having was about Fortnite. So it's like, we're doing games. But if we, depending on how this gets, I did put characters and you put developers here.

So it's like we definitely can figure that out later. It's going to be so easy to come up with four games we all agree represent, you know, the history of video games. Oh, of course. But that's the thing. Like, because when Andy's saying is very different. No, no, for sure. Than the prompt here. Should we start with the prompt here?

Try to figure this version out. And then we can decide because fuck the actual Mount Rushmore. We should decide what we think of Mount Rushmore should decide what we think about Mount Rushmore should should be. Yeah, because like the prompt has easily changed over the years to where it's just what are the four goats? Like that's kind of just what things have become. See, I wasn't thinking that way. I was thinking like, what are the games that set the tone for where we're at today? I guess maybe I just think of more in sports terms. Like recently they were like, Bryce Harper and a major league baseball player. Who's on your mountain rush for baseball players? He was like,

ooh, Barry Bonds. And he was going down on this. He's like, just put Barry Bonds four times. It's just like the four goats that you know that like were the best of all time. And that's kind of where the conversation has changed to, but for me, I've always, like, gone, I've always approached it with, like, some of the old, some of the new, but always great. Can I tell you my picks off the bat? Go for it.

I got Mario. I got GTA. I got Halo. And then, hmm, maybe a metal year solid. Right? That fourth one I'm kind of debating on, but, like, and for me, Mario for the... Now, let's pick titles here. Because franchises, that might be a bit too broad.

Okay. I'll come back to Marryo. because that one is a bit tougher because I think I could go. There are like three different Mario games I could save for that one. HALA, I'll just say HALA 1, right? And the reason I go with HALO, I think Halo set the tone for competitive and even non-competitive multiplayer, right? Multiplayer games, as we know them today, I think Halo was a turning point.

And Halo, I think, you know, set the tone for a call of duty. It set the tone for what a Fortnite could end up being, right? It set the tone for anything we think of as far as console and competitive and online multiplayer. I think so much of that was changed and shifted with Halo. Halo 2. Halo 2 is the one you'd say? Halo 2 because Halo 2 is the one that introduced online. Oh, okay.

Which I do think is like that real, that was the big push into the multiplayer side. Of course, we all loved Halo 1. I was playing XPC online. Me too, of course. GTA 3, because of what it did for open world and what it did for exploration. And I think, you know, that style of video game is still around today and is one of the more popular styles of video games we see. If I'm going with Mario, like, again, I'll probably either say 64 or maybe even Mario Bros. Super Mario Bros. Super Mario Bros.

Right. Right. Like, I, Mario 3 and Super Mario World are my favorites, but I feel like in terms of what are the iconic ones that establish what we have today for video games, either 64, Mario Brothers or Super Mario Brothers. And then fourth one, I said Miller, you're solid, but I could also say maybe Zelda, Akarina or Adventure or Zelda. Like, for me, that is the slot that is what we have as far as, like, narrative. cinematics and you know like our traditional action adventure title for me like a game that fulfills that right setting the tone for what that is kind of fulfills that force slap for me

yeah Andy I mean we just blowing our load right now like well I mean like just for like with the rules here then we can we'll debate and we'll fight to the death over what we all side on because I yeah it's hard for me to not I think with all the prior

super Mario games I think super Mario World is the one that I think of as becoming the, like, this is the one you look back on for current games to really get the feel and how a 2D platformer should look and work. Super Mario World has always been that for me. I also think of games like, I think it's hard to not put demon souls on there right now for something that has just changed the landscape of everything kind of going forward. and that being in that DNA, I think of something like,

it's hard to not look back at the old classics, like Pac-Man and Missile Command and all those, and like those deserve a place. I just don't know if we make one of those games the representative, you know? And if we did, wouldn't it be Tetris? Yeah, Tetris has absolutely got to be. See, that's where I put Super Mario Brothers

for representing, I guess, that era of video games, because that does encompass the arcade, is the shift into something a bit more expansive? I think of Tetris a little bit before the time. I don't know why. I think of Tetris is something that, like, is in a different kind of era almost. And also, they're not 2D platformers.

Like, I guess I give Mario the 2D platformer representative. Tetris, I think, just kind of has to be there as the classic arcade video game that you would put on there. It's hard to say, yeah, it's hard. When we talk about like best games of all time and the amount of times I hear Tetris is just the best video game of all time it's it'd be wild for me to not see Tetis on there Chetish

Yeah, Greg Birth Pong Oh I like that Expansion Are we doing games or people Like I want to do Mario

So expansion I'll put Super Mario Bros Okay One yeah Of course for what is it's in Okay preservation metal gear solid

all right they kept the momentum going and showed us where we could go as a people shut up at you guys your moment kept us going

and you're going to be and unification unification fortnight you're going to look at me in a straight face and not say Fortnite

the game that made them all bend the need to cross play all right that said this can be done and everybody had to say you're right

amen Jim Ryan had to I say, fuck them, kids. Let them go. Get them out there. You're so right. God bless America and God bless video games. Good night.

You are so right, dude. Holy shit. I don't know if that's more, you can get more spot on than that. The birth. Super Mario Brothers one. Amen. The expansion.

Super Mario Brothers 3. I love where he's going with this. The preservation. Super Mario 64. And bless the unification. Come on. Mario and Sonic at the

Olympics. Fortnite. Ah, you lost me the last one. But I was thinking, I was thinking of a similar. So I think of it's because I was fucking good too.

I was thinking about this last night, right? I was just up. I was just thinking. And one of the versions of my Mount Rushmore didn't have three Mario games and then a Zelda. I love that.

I love that. But you could make the argument. Like I do think there's an argument for, yeah, Super Mario Brothers, Mario 64, either Mario World or Mario 3. and then something else.

But is that truly representative of like the scope of video games we have now? Because also like none of us have said any indie titles and the indie market is so important today. Fuck those indies. I would say maybe Minecraft belongs in there. Yeah, sure, okay, okay. Yeah, I mean, again, the problem with this is four spots, right?

Like to represent all the things. And if we're just looking at, you know, the founding expansion, preservation, unification development, whatever that is, it's like that, I don't know where indie games, fit into that. Minecraft I do think would be the Shining Star example though if one of them were to. Either Minecraft or like a Super Meat Boy or something that is that very early indie game that showed what indie games could be. But does that exist? Right? I feel like we split the

like I guess the honor of like those early indie games between things like yeah, Super Meat Boy or a limbo or a braid or a fez. I hate to say but I think indie games get their own Mount Rushmore. It's much smaller. Yeah. And the graphics aren't as good. Yeah. Like a Your style is great, though. It's stunning for an art style. I think that, like, if... I don't think that indie games have had an impact in that way, in these categories. Like, these categories, to me, are usually just going to be a large, big game.

You don't think Minecraft has that? Okay, I guess, yeah, it's hard to think of Minecraft as indie now. I feel like there's I think there are those indie games that we don't think about as indie because they like had that breakout success like a lot of the online like I don't know

right now my brain is taking me to chain together because it's the most recent one but I guess decades before that right like Andy correct me from wrong on a thing like Rust isn't necessarily indie or like a PubG maybe PubG I don't know if we're calling that either

I think PubG starts off very yeah yeah absolutely and that being the the battle royale sort of you know that that's the one that everybody looks at as the battle royale founding game even though even though it wasn't but that's the one that everybody thinks of um but then you start getting into like

what are the battle royale mount rush wars and what are the you know like it's it's so hard for some of these games to find spots and it's going to be a lot of our favorite games that don't make any of these lists because they just for whatever reason we're in a different era can we in the way that we have birth expansion preservation unification here. Are there four either tenants or four lanes

that we can break this down to of like these are the most important things about video games today and then trace back to these are the games that I like this. I kicked us down that path. To me, yeah, I guess the reason

I've been kind of, the reason why I mentioned demon souls I was thinking of like what were the pioneers in those genres? What were the ones kind of like here's the pioneer for the 2D platformer? Here's what really got 3D platforming and made other developers

stink in a different way of what 3D platforming could be. Here's the shooter one or whatever. And that's why I thought you made a great point with Halo. Of course, there's been a billion Unreal tournaments and dooms and quakes and all that stuff. But for the commercial market, it wasn't really until Halo kind of, maybe Golden Eye in terms of like shooter.

I think the online is the big changing thing, right? Like the more competitive e-sport side of it, where it wasn't just you and your friends playing multiplayer party games, but it being a bit more like, Because, like, thinking about the competitive side that PC gaming had with Counterstrike and, like, all the games that you even named, like, the Unreals and things like that. I think Halo kind of broke that open to a much more mass market. And then that led to Call of Duty, even though Call of Duty predates. And then we got a TV show 25 years later.

We did. It's crazy. But I like this. Bless wants to do his best little roleplay of Gootsenberglum here. Yeah. Because right now I'm trying to think of what those lanes, be because right now I have written down online 3D question mark and then narrative question mark. I feel like action is like a pretty universal thing for video games.

My thing is I think that what the intent of Mount Rushmore was to represent the history and not just like the things that happen. So I feel like genre is less important than moments. Well, the only reason I went with Ships. The only reason I went with genres because it felt, because I'm kind of mirroring what the shifts would be where everybody suddenly wants to get into 3D and this one was like

this one was the blueprint, right? And then suddenly this genre starts to kind of get popular, but this one really was the one that everybody said, we want to be like them, you know? That's why I think like when I think of the shift to 3D and that's Super Mario 64, that's the one, you know.

But I think that's different than a genre though, you know, like I would agree that the ship to 3D or kind of that turning point could be representative of what Tim's talking about, but I would see that less of us like a genre kind of thing. Well, I mean, I think that they can mirror each other. I think like when technology shifts, it's going towards a new sort of like here's this new lane that we're going into. 3D starts to get popular. 2D platformers start to get pop mascot platforms start to get popular. Not that those are genres, but they aren't necessarily not either. I agree with that. I think if I'm thinking in that instance, right? If I'm thinking of the major shifts for video games,

I'll almost take it in eras of, I think the arcade era would get a head on Mount Rushmore. I think the shift to 3D would get a, would be one. I think online is a huge one that would get one. And then there is that fourth one where maybe it is the modern pick of like, VR. Whatever.

AI. But almost like A, the last of us in terms of like what is the final. the modern video game. Hmm. I see what you're saying. Yeah. And which might encompass both, like right here,

I think Greg wrote down like gameplay and I wrote down like narrative, right? I think maybe even what is... The marriage of them. What is the marriage of modern? Yeah, narrative and gameplay. Hmm.

I want to get to some super chats here. Real quick, while you do that, I want to get to a super chat in general slack that if any of you want in and out, Joey's making a run for in and out

so you can put your order in there because we are all very hungry in working very hard today. I think this only happens when I buy lunch. Joey. Shall we do it on a random Tuesday? Well, first time, you ate 10.30 in the morning.

You could, you could at 9.30, been like, who wants 10.30 in and out? I would have been there, too. All right, so I'm going to read a couple of super chats before we get to the ads, where I will put in my in-and-out order. John Van Pelt says we should group Pokemon and Mario under the Nintendo umbrella to make more room for badass motherfuckers like Sephiroth. I appreciate that they're already jumping into characters here, you know. Reminds me the old. Game Fax days. Any of you guys care about this stuff?

Every year Game Fax would do a, like a poll competition thing of like, who's the greatest character? It always came down to Cloud Link. No, that's awesome. Every fucking time. Or Sep Roth. C.J. Splitzland says,

Not a joke. Sweet Tooth, the original PlayStation mascot. God, I wish I lived in the world you do. This is the same person who said that, uh, that game would be better than Fortnite? Probably. Yeah? Yeah.

I love it. So who, on games day, Games Daily Today, too, there was that whole conversation of, like, in a twisted metal online would have saved PlayStation or whatever. Get out here. It would have been bigger than Fortnite, I think, was what was... The new Fortnite, he said. That's awesome.

Demon Hacker says, Mario is the godfather of games. Doom Guy for the popularization of FPS and PC games. Cloud, representation of Sony entering the console war and JRP's. Snake, kickoff of cinematic games and storytelling. Now, again, they're talking characters here, but I do like the melding of multiple things. things, like a game being not just RPGs, but also

representing PlayStation and like the ship that that came. And MMOs or like, well, the Warcraft has got to be somewhere. Exactly, exactly. Alex Jay Sandoval says, Mario platformer slash Nintendo, Gordon Freeman for first person shooter slash PC, Steve for survival

crafting and Xbox, Kratos, third person action PlayStation. A pretty broad representation with these. And then Tim C's coming in with some backs here. And obviously, we might I hope I made it clear that we are kind of dunking on the the whole concept of Mount Rushmore

to begin with, but Mount Rushmore's on stolen land that the U.S. broke treaties with the first people for the seizure violated the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868, which stated that the land should be reserved for the absolute and undisturbed use and occupation of the Indians. The government broke the treaty

after discovering gold. The truth lies in modern warfare thing. Absolutely. We're just fucking around here. They did that, remember? You see this TikTok going around yesterday? of this fighter pilot watching the battlefield fighter pilot takeoff sequence and he pauses it and says everything that's wrong with it that's great. Really? Yeah, that's cool.

Delaney, hope you all raise some funds this August. Thank you so much. Also, Celeste, Mega Man 2, Final Fantasy 9 should show some love. I should. Keep those in your mind. Everybody. Keep those in your mind. Dan, Christianelvie, says, Pong, Pac-Man, Tetris, Super Mario Brothers, or 64, Halo. I mean, there's something to be said

about a lot of these games coming up on all of our list, their lists, like, you know, there's themes here. And then the last one we read for right now, Mello Fellow, why do we lock ourselves to just four? Why not five or six? Because we said we're copying Mount Rushmore. What was the guy's name?

Golem. MeloFellow. Yeah. Gat zone, Borglum. Got his own Borglum. It's how we'd want it. It's his fault, everybody. You know what is my fault? The fact that you have to list.

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Grab for your favorite best friend. Christmas is only five months away. Bless. Tim. You had something to tell me. Well, I just had a pitch for getting back to this conversation. Because before the break, we talked about the four shifts. What are the four lanes that we could break this down to?

And the ones that I got are, like I mentioned before, arcade, excuse me, arcade era, 3D, online, and modern narrative, slash. gameplay, right? What we consider like a prototypical, this is what has brought us to the modern game. The four games that I have, arcade era, Pac-Man. Kind of based on what Andy is talking about. I think Pac-Man is probably the most notable arcade-era video game and

I think set the tone for what that market is. Let me stop there too, because like Greg saying Pong, like I like that being legit. What's up? I did say Pong. Like, like, obviously a great answer because it is like I think the very first popular video

game at the very least, right? But I feel like Pac-Man deserves the spot because it is better. But also, like, it was the first, it was so much mainstream to this day, Pac-Man is like a important mascot, relevant character. And, like, Pac-Man being modded to become Miss Pac-Man. Like, I feel like there's so much there that you can take from today what video games are to go back to that. If you pull out Pac-Man, I feel like that damages what that growth of video games are during

in that era. Totally. So arcade era, I got Pac-Man. 3D, I do have Super Mario 64, right? I think that game

established so much of what 3D looks like, right? I could hear the argument of maybe a Zelda Ocarina or something, but Mario 64 is the pick for me. I think it's a great pick.

I could also see an argument, obviously I would go 64 at the end of the day. Yeah. You're smir-man. I could see an argument, though, for if you're just talking about, like, the most important 3D game ever,

Grand The Dodd of 3. If we only had to choose one, while 64 was clearly like the biggest, jump, I think that the jump from 64 to Grand Theft Auto represents modern games and where we've been

in the last 20 years. I respect you trying to make a podcast out of it, but fuck that. It's Mario 64. I was going to tie down slash XGA3, but I'll delete it. Four faces, that's it. Online, I have Halo 2 for what we talked about before. And then for modern narrative slash gameplay, I have written

down here, The Last of Us, in parentheses, maybe Metal Gear Solid. I don't know which Metal Gear Solid, maybe the first one. I think you can make the argument that the last of us is a baby of Metal Gear Solid. All these games that we get today for like modern narrative are babies of Meliger Solid. I would replace that with what Tim just said, GTA3. I think experiencing, I think there's just too much that GTA3 did that made everybody want to copy. And then became this gigantic thing where like when Rockstar has any sort of announcement, it goes by.

They just do their own shit on their own. They're in a different league. All of the hype that GTA 5 brought, like, I, GTA3 still had, like, that storytelling. It still had these characters. You were doing these crime things. I was always blown away that I was doing, like,

mob boss type shit in a game that felt pretty, like, narrative in a way, and, like, I'm being betrayed and stuff like that. And I, maybe Metal Gear Solid one was one of the first ones around that era. I just think, like, it was just, GTA 3 was just so influential I feel like GTA3 needs a spot on this like no matter what the context

no matter what the criteria it's like GTA 3 just like it's it's done so many different things What about Blasto? What about the arrow the acrobat? Another one though that is in that same conversation I think of the last of us and Metal Gear for what we're going for here

like we gotta bring up Final Fantasy and then it gets a little hard of like which one I think seven obviously is like Do we? Do we? I mean, if we're doing a RPG Mount Rushmore, you know what I mean? Yeah, but I mean, narrative, you know, like... I mean, are we putting Final Fantasy above Melliger solid narratively?

I mean, yeah, I think so. Oh! Yeah, totally. How many Meligers are there? How many Final Fantasy are there? That's the reason? Great stories. There's so many Maddens, is that what we're talking about it?

Yeah, I mean, I don't think. that it's wild to put them in the same category. Wild, I think it's better than Metal Gear, that's what's wild, all right? Wild, the thing the story is better. Final Fantasy is better than Metal Gear. Get out of here. I didn't say that. But even more influential,

I think, is the, is the conversation. I understand we're drifting from friends to enemies. Before this gets too heated, I do need to know. How is the Twix coffee? Honestly, disappointing. I thought I was going to be more. I thought I was going to taste more Twix.

You could have just told me that this was a, you know, yeah, just an iced coffee. know what have been like, maybe it isn't mixing well with the pizza. Only had one slice of the parts, just wait. Also, anybody in this office has lactate, let me know. Kevin does usually,

probably in the box of pills we got. I mean, no, those pills that Kevin carries around, he usually just kind of carries around loose in his pocket, so I don't know if we have those around without Kevin.

Yeah, Barrett, it's like when you get captured by the KGB and you need to like bite the capsule in your mouth. It's part of his tooth. It's one of those things. Yep. Anyways, back to it, sorry.

It's a tough one. The GTA, Last of Us, Metal Gear mix up here, right, for modern narrative gameplay. I would give the, I would put Metal Gear here. I wouldn't put GTA here. I could see putting Last of Us here. But I do like the idea that everything's a Metal Gear baby. In GTA, I just feel like the open world in the sandbox world, that was the game changer, not necessarily the narrative, which existed was there. and you were running the missions

and you had characters you interacted with. I feel like with the voice acting and the amount of characters and like the sandbox nature of it added to the gameplay, it added to the narrative, it added to the characters, it added to like the being able to have the music

and the decades and all that stuff. I feel like it's not just the sandboxes, what's the sandbox then allowed for every vertical of the game, you know? But I think what's special about GTA3 and what it did and how it changed everything was the sandbox. So I just,

I think to bring in the model, the narrative part of it, which was there, but again, your character didn't talk. You just went there, people monologues, you nodded, or whatever, and went off and did your thing, killed some people. But I think we eventually got there, right? I know this is...

Well, you did, but we're talking about one game right now, right? If we're doing franchises... But again, like, that game, I mean, in the way that everything's an MGS baby, right? Like GTA 4, GTA 5 is a GTA 3 baby. Then, I mean, then get one... Get Arcade off here. Nobody gives a real shit about arcade.

You know, none of us are Jared Petty. Get that out of here and put... World Designed Sandbox. I don't know, you know, whatever you want to put there. I mean, I could be on board. I mean, I feel like... I think that's insane. Getting rid of arcade era, but I would say like just

inception of gameplay, you know? And like with that, it's like, yeah, I feel like Pac-Man deserves a spot there. I think it's the best representative of that time. It's that or Tetris. Yeah. Like either I'm comfortable. Yeah, if I were to see a video game Mount Rushmore

that didn't have something from that era, I'd be like, uh, but you're, you gotta have something from that time. You got to put those little galaxia. Says who. Oh.

Golem fucking Warblum. To the modern narrative conversation, right? Or modern narrative slash gameplay, just modern video game. I think the thing that's interesting about the DTA conversation versus a, like a last whistle or even MGS is, you know,

Greg's point of GTA, what's more vital about it or more, I guess, the influential thing about it is more so how it blew up open world and allow you to like explore in the sandbox nature of it. when we're talking about video games today, what is more, I guess, popular slash vital?

Is it the Last of Lusses and the God of Wars and the like, what we know is the linear narrative games of the world? Or is it the open world stuff? Is it the sandbox stuff? Because like, I feel like the,

we're getting more and few far between when we talk about like the traditional God of Wars, Las Swas is that style of game. Really is PlayStation and like, I feel other developers that are still making those games on that level.

I think more so you're more likely, to get an open world style thing or a sandbox thing. And then like we're talking about things like Power World. We're talking about all the Assassin's Creed's, right? We're talking about these games that people like to, Minecraft even, I think you could trace back to H.E.A.3. I would take off honestly the online section here.

Like, because if, like, if we're showing this Mountain Rushmore, are we having, like, the categories under, like, if I look up at the mountain, M. I see in Arcade era. Current Mount Rushmore doesn't have that either. Right. And that's why everybody's like Yeah, and then you get

And then you read the And then you read the description, you're like, oh, okay, that kind of makes sense But like, if I look at my restaurant When I saw Halo 2, I'd be like, why is that there? Yeah, but those things, I don't know, I don't think Halo juice is the answer You think Fortnite's the answer? No, I don't, I don't, I don't. Well, I just, no, I mean just like

Wow This, this online, oh, yeah, oh, shit Absolutely, we's that juice Tim might be cooking I might turn it off, I don't know what I do. The, for like, for just the, this online representation Yeah. I mean, I also just for the shift of like it being not just online, but like what that meant for video games and like what it meant like I feel like even just like role playing, you know, like actively role playing. Because role playing is one of the things that I do think is very important to be represented on this, but not in a specific way of like this one thing because we've talked about this million times. Role playing as a genre is still there, but that's a niche thing. Role playing is just in every video game. So in the same.

same with the sandbox stuff, I think, is like becoming just in every video game. And especially being something that's still played today. Yeah. You know, like, such massive influence on the rest of the industry. So we're saying for online to play as Halo 2 with Wow. And then for modern game, GTA3. Is that still the conversation? I mean, I think so.

I would vote Metal Gear. It predates GTA3. I just don't think that Metal Gear, like, I just don't think that Metal Gear, like, I don't think that you see the DNA the same way that you do with GTA. I think we're only thinking... I think everything comes back to GTA. The only reason why I think Metal Gear right now is like, that's the first time I experienced a narrative in that way that really blew me away.

Yep. But GTA 3, I think, is... It has so much DNA and the rest of the rest of every release. I think if we can... I agree with the argument you're making for GTA. but not for modern narrative slash gameplay. I need a better descriptor there to get us to GTA. That makes sense.

And that's why I'm all for a modern structure. Yeah, I can see that. The modern backbone of a game, the modern. You know, you don't know, you see a drive for sure, for sure. This open world thing of accepting quests and going back to turn them in and getting a cut scene and like, and that's why I'm saying, Greg, like, if we're looking up at the games up on that mountain, they're carved in there, right? We're not seeing the genres below it.

Yeah. We're just seeing like GTA 3, that makes sense. Also, even the idea of like just being an open world and fucking around, right? Like, yeah, oh yeah. And making your own stories. Yeah, making your own stories. What we see Fortnite is excelling in, right? Like a lot of people, a lot of kids will play that just to hang out with their friends

or just to like run around the world and do random objectives or go for the goal, right? I think GTA3 is the prime prototypical, like classic game that set us on that path to get something like Fortnite or even something like a sassan. There's so many things that splinter off. Like GTA 3 is like how the sacred timeline in TVA, how that splits off into so many different things. I feel like GTA 3 is the sacred timeline. Totally fine with that.

Yeah, I just want to come up with a better word. What we're calling it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like modern. I feel like, like, so modern gaming. Yeah. Oh, so arcade game, 3D game, online game, modern game. I like this a lot.

I like it. I like it. Why don't you take a bath? Why doesn't you take a bathmore? I'm telling you, we got an album in us. We do have an album in us. Whenever you want it. I could see it up there.

All of these make sense to me. So right now what I have written down is Pac-Man, Mario 64, Wow, NGTTA3. I also think in our myopic viewpoint, we're missing a lot of, except for Wow, but like, wow was more mainstream. we're missing like

the founding stuff on on PC the stuff that I didn't experience Mind sweeper Half life Half life's Solitaire Just put the big ace of hearts up there

You know Base pinball Yeah but like the actual Mount Rush War Gollum gang bang Actual Mount Rushmore's been missing plenty of people You know You're right

Alexander Hamilton isn't on that thing Yeah He rapped Yeah he's like Halflight I feel like For as important as Half Life was I feel like

going down that path, I think the call of duty for modern warfare is more important than anything Half-Life did. It's going to piss people off, but just the facts of how big the closing of what it was. Looking at this list, I'm happy with it,

but Uh-oh. Rinkle. Pac-Man, Mario 64, Wow, GTA-3. I feel like I'd be thrilled with it if we replace Pac-Man with Tetris. I'm with Tim. I mean, my personal bias,

I do like Tetris more than Pac-Man. But there's a conversation though because like Pac-Man, the character, the Mon thing I brought up like there's There's a lot there the arcade experience The quarter-muncher nature of it The competition of it What it did for handheld gaming

Just period. Tetrus. Yeah, that's one. Oh yeah, I was talking about The long-lasting nature. It's still out there Still doing its thing. Yeah. I'd be totally down Because like I think maybe even replace arcade era With I don't I don't want to call it 2D Classic era

But I like Here's a here here's a what I'll say. I do like Tetris kind of replacing that arcade era because Super Mario 64 kind of also covers the mascot nature of what games are. Okay. I

Arcades admittedly a blind spot for me as someone who just, you know, was never got into them that much. And so I know my history to a degree. So I just need to be fact checked on this. When you say Tetris, I think Game Boy, and I know that that's whatever. But like, isn't that

where Tetris really broke out? Like, It was in the arcade. I'm well aware, and I know it was popular in the arcade. But I feel like that's where it like, boom. And that's why I don't think that arcade is the right name for that. I just mean, old-ass game. Yeah. Like, I mean, maybe even just brainstorming here, but like classic.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Classic game. But then how cool. I feel like we then need to rename 3D. Like this. Why don't you take a bath? Classic 3D online modern.

Shower every day. Why not take a bath? Get nudie laying down. He's doing a different podcast over here. I know a lot of people are forced to listen to their partners' podcasts, so I like to entertain them. Yeah, I'll play to the back of the house. I like that.

I'll look at at a couple of the... Put this in surround sound. Super chats we got here. The guy go back on the microphone. Gordon and chat, Greg's brain needs to be studied. Gerardo Solomon says, based on shift of the industry, it would be for me. me, Super Mario, Halo 2, Dark Souls 1, Fortnite.

I think that's a great list for what you presented there. For the shifts. Lars says, IMO, World of Warcraft's more important to the online gaming than Halo. We agree. We put it there. We got there. We'll call Mount Crashmore and Crash Bandico's up there, too, too, too, too. I appreciate that.

Thank you, man. Stefan Stryker writes in, Greg. I'm just going to read this to you because they did spend $99.99 to $99 to super chat this. American? Uga, the bulldog, the mascot in college football to represent sports and games and to remind Greg that Mizzou sucks. Damn.

I appreciate that you spelled it out so much. Yeah. I appreciate this idiot. Paid that much money to come in and say something stupid like that. Listen, I know that there's been a lot of Truman Erasure and College Football 25. Why isn't he in there, Andy? Nobody knows.

But Truman the Tiger will be back. A real mascot. And you know why? Because he's not a real tiger. You ever think about that? You're taking that beautiful bulldog that should be up there roam in the countryside. You're forcing it on to a football field. Let them run free.

Well, let them be. You know what I mean? Bulldogs can't even naturally breed. Yours out there making more of them. That's you. You're a bad person, all right? Truman the Tigers is a good person in a tiger suit. Let them run the tiger suit.

Let those bulldogs roam. You know what I mean? Let them be in the Savannah planes. Those is all smashed up. Ligs all out like this praying for death can't breathe. They can't breathe. Take a math Um

Marsh Hero says Tetris, Mario 64, World of Warcraft, Last of Us. There's something about Last of Us that doesn't sit right with me. You're a hater. Me too. Is it too modern? Is it too? I think it just is too.

It's not the first of its kind. And it's not the last. It's like, it's definitely quality-wise, like up there. But in terms of, of like a turning point in innovation in gameplay and storytelling. I just don't think of Lassovus as like one of the moments where it's like... It's storytelling.

Metal Gear Solid 1 would replace whatever it's trying to be. I would argue against story. It's storytelling is very good, but how is that a shift in the industry of like... I think everybody's chasing that, right? Yeah, I don't think you get Horizon. I don't think you get Modern. I don't think you get Spider-Man in the same way, right? Like I think, and a lot

of this is PlayStation. Yeah. But I think even in terms of just modern action-adventure video game, I think Las of us shifted a tone. But I don't know if it shifted enough for it to be Mount Rushmore. I'm kind of with you on that. I think Meliger Solid set more of a tone than it. But I do think that

the last was had a strong impact. It definitely had a very strong impact, clearly. But I don't know that it had that much of an impact over uncharted. I feel like in terms of like we're taking this seriously and it's darker, sure. But I don't think that that has been that big of a shift

to your point earlier. But like I don't we can name a handful or two of games that we clearly saw that happen to, but I don't think we can name dozens, you know. What's his title going to be? Mountain Rushmore video games, parentheses. Mountain Rushmore is bad.

We know. We know it's not good. Sorry. CJ says, I see that you're hosting the SIV 7 panel at Pax West, Greg. Any chance of a KF fan meetup? New fan been loving all the KF content so far.

Let's make sure that's confirmed. You're not baiting him in me to break it. theoretical embargoes, you know what I mean? That may or may not exist. He's looking at that. I'm hosting the Syphibbius. I can't wait. It's me to do that yesterday.

Oh, Pax did it yesterday. You know what I mean? I don't do a bit, Barrett. I don't want to do a bit. Don't make me go crazy. You know what happens on the campus. Yeah, I'll be there. I'll be excited to do it.

An official fan meet and greet. I doubt it. We'll see. But the big thing. The crazy thing is that Pax is going to be Benjamin James. is Miller's first is Pax's. Ben's coming to his first show.

I'm bringing Ben to his first show. So if you come to the Siv panel, not only will see me work, you will see my son in the crowd, very bored. Will he run up and be cute? We'll see. We'll see everybody. I'll be just juggling dad duty and the hosting duty. So we'll see what's up. But my, you know, return to Bax since 2019. Haven't been back.

Wow. The penguin says dark. I was trying to show some love. Dark Souls should be on. there 100%. Yeah, earlier you said Demon Souls, Andy, I think that if one,

it would be Dark Souls. Because like, while Demon was first, I feel like Dark was the one that, like... I'd be, yeah, I'd be totally... Especially when it comes to

what modern, like, even level design. Like, I'm not even just talking from the action, melee combat sort of, uh, side of things.

But yeah, I think, uh, I'd be totally fine with that. I think Demon Souls was the first, but it was not the biggest. Yeah. And another game like that that I would throw out that I think that is very different,

but in terms of like its importance and how much it dictated an entire genre and more than genre just kind of like games as a whole, Street Fighter 2. Oh. You know, I feel like just the concept of how fighting games work and function and the characters, like their abilities and all that stuff. Like there's the DNA of Street Fighter 2 is seen to this day. I think not even just fighting games, but action games and character action games and things like that. See, I thought you were going to say devil make cry.

Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's like the character action right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just don't know the character action is overall that important to video games. What the fuck are you saying to me right now? I mean, I think that like the Dark Soul stuff is more, like that has more of an impact than.

I think, I mean, I would say it's just as much. If I had art, because if I'm arguing it, right, like even to this day, like a bayonetta, right, is hearkening back to a devil may cry. I don't know. That's probably a very direct inspiration, right? but like character action, God of Wars, you know, we're doing what Devil May Cries were doing. That was big during the PS2 era. Like I think if we're talking about correlating to an era, right?

I think Devil Cries to the PS2 era what a Dark Souls is to a PS4, PS5. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, and I think especially when you bring in God of War to that conversation, like that did represent, like that style of gameplay was very much, I think, one of the more popular PS2 era gameplay styles. And if there were more slots on this mountain rush rate, if it was a big as mountain, Big Mountain.

We'd also have to talk about, like, Tecmo Bowl for sports games. Like, just sports games are not what we cover a whole lot of, but we know that their impact is massive, and especially for the non-gaming audience. Like, there's so many people that are way more casual with their games, and they'll play a call-duda here and there, but it's Madden or it's FIFA or whatever FC. And I think, like, probably Tecmoble or one of the early Maddens,

I just don't know which was the one that really kind of was the standout. 99. Madden 99? I don't know. 04. NFL 2K4. Oh, 4, actually, I think was pretty good. Which one added the truck stick?

Was that 4? No, it was probably, probably 02 maybe. There was a great, this is something you don't hear, I think, often about video games. There was a great cover story on one of the inserts in the Sunday New York Times last week, yeah, Sunday, about Madden. And kind of chronicling when. and 2K really challenged them, dropped the price,

and then the, you know, decades now of having no competition and how much it's hampered the game. They had a bunch of great interviews in there and stuff like that. Really recommended reading if you can go find online.

One that I'll shout out is Shadow of Colossus. I think that's one that you can make the argument for, even when we're talking about demon souls, dark souls. I think a lot of those games take a lot of inspiration from Shadow the Colossus. Then also the indie market, I think, takes a lot of inspiration,

whether we want to talk about games like Journey or any of those games or even like a, God, I'm blanking on a, other in Titan Souls or the amount of games that, I think a solar ash, the amount of games that look toward, like, I think the emptiness slash vastness

slash quietness of a shadow of Colossus to tell a story that is, that can be interpreted in the way that you want, right? I think Shadow Coloss has set a tone for what you can do with, like, different types of storytelling and being way more artful in a video game. I would argue that goes back to O'Carrina of Time. Hmm

Ah, not for what I'm saying, I don't think I think there are certain things you can say for how Akrian influence shadow, but I think that soundtrack pops off way too much. CW Gordon says, Metroid and Castlevania have genres named after them. I do think that that is that's pretty damn interesting, like to think

about Metroid and what it did to current games even, like even like thinking about 3D games and like the, just the structure of getting an ability to unlock something from a previous area you've been in. That is big. I just don't know where I'd put that, though, like in this.

This would be, I mean, this is a totally one, you know, competition onto its own. This is like the genre type thing. This, to me, I feel like looking at this where it's like the classic is Tetris, 3D Super Mario 64, online wow, modern GTA3. If we were to add more to the Mount Rushmore and add a fifth, I think that in between classic Tetris and 3D Mario 64, I would make the argument that Super Metroid

would be above any of the 2D Mario's in terms of like pushing things forward and like defining what that style of 2D game can be capable of. And even, not even 2D, like think of just all the DNA that's also been

in like 3D games of going back for the power up and being able to access new spots. Like, yeah, it's pretty wild. Yeah. A couple more super Chats, Mike B says, why is EverQuest never mentioned? It was a lifestyle. I feel like, wow, is the just much bigger version of EverQuest. I was going to say, I think it's never mentioned because you have to know to know that.

And I think whereas, wow, World of Warcraft was such a breakout hit that even if you know jack shit about MMOs, you know that wow, World of Warcraft changed it and did all this different stuff. And before that, it would be Ultima Online. Like, Ultima Online being one of the games where Richard Gary had kind of created the phrase M-M-O-R-P-G, and Avatar, like, you're, the character you, that's your avatar because that's representative, representative of you in the outside world, like, all of that stuff kind of goes back to a lot of those Ultima games, but, you know, when we talk about mass market, you know,

these aren't, I think mom and, being household names are a bit more, you know, World of Warcraft is definitely in that area. If you're going to talk about the sandwich cookie Mount Rushmore. You would put Oreo on it, right? But Hydrox was first. Stupid-ass hydra-you-don't talk about hydrax. We don't, and that's what I'm saying. What else are you put in that list?

Tim, I fell down a mountain and I cut up my slay. I need Hydrox. I need Hydrox. You got to put snack wells on there, right? Remember that moment? What are like the two, like, the orangey crackers that, like, have the peanut butter? Oh my God, the Ritz. Wait, no, are you talking about the cheese crackers?

Like the square ones? Yeah. Is that my Ritz? No, I'm not thinking of Ritz. You're right. Ritz are like round. I'm thinking of the square ones. Yeah.

They would fucking hate those. I hate those, bro. You didn't like them? Because they were just everywhere. Like, you never didn't have those. And I just got so tired of them. I love them. I love how excited you said, yeah. Portland Kevin says,

someone Google Imiturcher number munchers Mount Rushmore. He beat you to it. I did. And I don't really know what you're trying to get across here. There's some really shitty video game looking Mount Rushmore drawings, I guess. the Austin cheese crackers with peanut butter God They were in every school lunch

They must have like a deal with the U.S. government Yeah Because they were in school In every school government cheese Dean 8149 says I don't think it quite fits over anything here But Street Fighter 2 did create a genre

And revolutionized arcades Also Pokemon to me captures handheld Yeah I brought up Street Fighter a second ago But it is interesting. We haven't brought Pokemon up at all. It's weird because I feel like simultaneously I could put it in pretty much any category,

but also I don't know where I put it. You know, I feel like it almost transcends video games to be so much more. And like that's where the importance lies. That's, that's, you give the Pokemon National Monument to.

Yes. You replace Abraham Lincoln up there sitting down in that big chair. That's an interesting one. Yeah. We walk away from this and then, right, who's getting the Washington Monument at the Lincoln Memorial?

Yeah. Week of Memorial's got to be for a dead game or, you know what I mean? Something there. Yeah. So, split herself. Damn. Oh, yeah. He could rise at any time, though.

Beware. Oh, wait. Are you trying to wind down the show? Yeah. Okay, then we'll talk about it later because eventually I would like to do the developer. Yeah. No, no, I love that. I mean, there's all their episodes in the future.

You got to put me a modo up there. You know what I mean? Maybe. There's a lot of arguments to have here. Sid Meyer, everybody. Joe Von Gaunt says, I feel like you guys skipped over Kortor or Mavis. Mass Effect. Those to me represent a shift and a new level of what video games could be.

Yeah, the modern RPG, right? I mean, Mass Effect, I could see it. Cotaur was a really big deal, though. Yeah, but I feel like I would put those in the same conversation as like a Skyrim or a Witcher 3. Like we're just talking about amazing the RPGs at that point. Well, Cotaur was like the first like console modern RPG though. Like that Cotor was a big moment and preceded Mass Effect. and that was that team, right?

Yeah. I would say Cotor led to those things, but even then it's like, what is the one? Is it Mass Effect or is it CoD? Lars says Cotor is way more important than Mass Effect at least, and I don't know if I would go down that path

because, again, Mass Effect was a truly, I mean, we take it for granted now with online and service and blah, blah, but like, what a fucking bold claim to come out

and be like, I remember that. Casey Hudson me like, we're making three games. You're saved from one will carry over for all of them. It'll be this whole thing. You're making these choices

that matter in a way that I've never, it's like, now did they all pan out that's a different conversation you killed somebody part one they're dead if you let them live they're alive in part two it's like what the fuck that was pretty crazy to me and think about the think about like what eternal darkness did you know what i mean like you know unplug your thing it vibrates or whatever or maybe that was psychomantus but you know what it's about silta yeah like it got mentioned right but i feel like f as far as what 3d smart as before i think was the easier more obvious choice but even going to

back to the original legend of Zelda, that game did so much as far as just action adventure, right? I feel like that might even be a similar conversation of a, I guess, what Morris before did for 3D. I think it's interesting, and the Mount Rush more of thing of it literally being like origin focused in so many ways, like talking about birth and all that. When we talk about the era of games that is after just the classic arcade pong stuff and before the N64 and 3D stuff, I just feel that the NES just gets outshined by the S&S generation pretty much 10 out of 10 times. And it's like while obviously Zelda 1 came first and Mario Brothers 1 came first,

there's just something about the how quickly they advanced and how much they blew things up. I almost just feel like the conversation of the legend of Zelda. I don't think Legend of Zelda one belongs here. But like, I, Aquarina of time, I definitely think that there is the conversation

between that and Mario 64, but I do, I edge out 64. What are like, what, 85 to 95? I probably have those years wrong. But like,

I feel like it's equivalent to the industrial revolution of video games where things progress so fucking fast. Sure. Where it's hard to be like, oh, yeah, this thing,

Zelda won, you know, look at what it did when the arc arena didn't come out. I did come out much later, right? But, like, compared to just the grand scope

of things didn't come out that much later, right? Yeah, I think you're kind of right there, Tim, But I would put, I think linked to the past, still being, like, we're still seeing games, similar to your Metroidvania comparison. Like, we're still seeing top-down games in that sort of style.

It being one of the first games, like, to kind of teach me about this fantasy setting that I had no idea what, you know, what that really was at the time. But suddenly there's orcs and there's elves in different races of people and creatures. and like, I don't know, I think, while I think the first Zelda did a lot of that, I just don't think it was quite as popular until Link to the Past really blew it up like that. So talking about how fast these things came out, I think a question for this, because Mount Rushbowr, of course, 150 years old, I forget the exact amount of time, but a very, very long time ago it came out, at least 100 years.

I thought it spanned 150 years. Is that what represented the first 150 years? Oh, sorry. It came out a long time ago. It's old. When we're talking about video games, right, this Mount Rushmore, Does this stay in the test of time? 100 years from now,

will this be accurate, do you guys think? I mean, yeah, I do. I think that over time, perhaps modern will, modern 3D might kind of have to eat themselves and we'll have to make the call between GTA 3 and Mario 64 because I feel like modern will probably mean something very different then. Yeah. Damn, they finished about Rushmore in 1941.

That was way off. I thought I saved myself in the end. It was your statement. It's a damn. Just happened. Go on right into that. I thought I was done. That's really funny.

Yeah, it's hard to say. I would say no. I think obviously for a classic Tetris will, yeah, because what it would be online. Online's changing rapidly. And what does that mean? and if are they going to look back in 100 years, 300 years,

whatever it is, and be like, well, whatever, Fortnite did this thing that did then lead to this giant change where it is like everything's just whatever and you're, you know, I don't know what that would look like. That's my thing is 100 years from it.

I think Fortnite's on the list. Yeah, I think four nights. Replacing wow. Probably, yeah, replacing wow, definitely. Yeah, that's interesting. Oh, is while still around. Yeah, still okay. But no, I do think, yeah,

100 years is a long time too. Of course. Yeah. Are we still around 100 years? Are we still around? That's a good question. Raymond K. Hessel says, Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter. I would go Street Fighter, even though I think, you know,

there is an argument to be made for Mortal Kombat just for the controversy of it all and what that meant for video games being regulated and video games ESRB needing to, yeah, the ESRB and needing to kind of be taken more seriously. I feel like that the microscope that they were put under

forced developers to think about games differently. And then I think games were then made differently and then games were made to kind of like poke fun at that and to like work around it. I think that it is because of that that we led to something like a Metal Gear solid and things like that in a very roundabout way. But I didn't see who's chat went by but it said Mike is still be paying for wow in a hundred years. And then we got the final super chat of the day. It's the final super chat. Beetlebat says not a video game but Dungeons and Dragons and Magic the Gathering have had significant impact on video games.

Good point. Yeah. That's not D&D for sure. Yeah. But this is the video game. Mount Rush. We're out of here.

Mount Rushmore, everybody. And I think we've nailed it for now. Bless, you want to read it off? Yes. We have four games. The classic pick,

Tetris. The 3D pick, Super Mario 64. The online pick, World of Warcraft, and the modern pick, TTA3. Take a bath, Greg.

Take a bath, everybody. Let's know the comments, Tonight, this weekend. Take baths? No. Take a bath and take a photo of yourself. Chest up, or neck up, depending, and send it to Tim on Twitter.

At Tim Gates. Here we go. Toil it all over again, everybody. I love you all. Let us know in the comments below how right we are, how wrong we are, what you would put on the video game at Mount Rushmore and why. But until next time, I love you all. We're about to do game showdown. It's about to be a blast.

After that, we're playing some game. It's going to be a fun one. Midnight Murder Club. Midnight Murder Club, everybody. It's going to be a great time. Love you all. Goodbye.