Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Persona 5 Spoilercast - Kinda Funny Gamescast Special

Episode Date: May 11, 2019

Joey and Barrett FINALLY do a spoilercast for Persona 5 with special guests Lucy James and Jonathon Dornbush! Social Media: Joey - https://twitter.com/joeynoelle Barrett - https://twitter.com/SadBoyBarrett Lucy - https://twitter.com/lucyjamesgames Jonathon - https://twitter.com/jmdornbush Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hi friends, welcome to your Persona 5 SpoilerCast. Yeah. Better late than never, right? And I feel like we did time it well with all of the news that was announced today, but we'll get to that later. I'm your host, Joey Nowell. I have a star-studded panel of industry friends here today to my immediate left, immediate right, whatever the joke is. I have Mr. Barrett Courtney. Did someone, oh, thank you.

Thank you. Did someone mention pancakes? How long have you been thinking about that joke? So too long. Ever since I was working at IGN, I was like, maybe we'll do a persona five spoiler cast there, and we didn't. Nope, no, no. To his right, we have Lucy James from the GameSpot.

And then to her right, we have Jonathan Dornbush for my G&. Screw you. So yeah, this is a panel of people that are very passionate and excited about persona. so we're excited to talk about all these things with you. Was a lot of like homework because it's been a little while since we've played these. It's been two years. Because you reviewed it for GameSpot, correct? That was my first and last big review for GameSpot.

Because I kind of moved away from that kind of stuff after, but I was really glad that I got to dig into Persona 5. I did everything. Like all the guides, cutting the video review. So I was immersed in that game for two solid months because we got it really early. Holy cow. It was a great two months. And then I feel like the three of us played it all around at the same time because we were, I would at least, I remember I was late on that train.

Yeah. That was like fall 2017. That was, well, for us, I was working at IGN at the time. And so we got it. It was always weird to me because it was supposed to come out February 14th, 2017 in the West. And then we got it the day, that day. But then it was delayed two months. So I always thought that was interesting.

So yeah, I got a sign to it, not knowing really anything about persona. Like I referenced it as like one of my friends, Alex O'Neal. I was like, ah, it's like a Wii boot game that Alex O'Neill likes. And then 10 hours and then I was like, holy fuck, I think I really like this game. And so, yeah, it had to do a lot of like gameplay clips and whatnot for IGN. And then helped with like gameplay for the review, video review. and then had to do the first 20 hours again on my own save at home. And then I burnt out.

And so when I got through the first 20 hours again, I burnt out, didn't play it until August later that year. So, yep, yeah. Yeah. I think I jumped in somewhere around like September of 2017. Like somewhere around that time when you started to jump back in. It was one of those things where like I worked directly across from our Lord and Savior of Persona, Andrew Goldfar. Andrew Goldfarb.

The Andrew Goldfair Memorial picture. Cool, Greg, show it. Yeah. Rest in peace forever. We may have him popping up for some, but you'll have to wait and see. He just appears from behind the kids. No, I know. I wish we could, but he maybe left us some tidbits before he went to go, switch over to his new job.

He left us. Yeah, before he died. But yeah, I had, sitting across from him, obviously, I heard about persona all the time, heard about how amazing it was and believed him, but it's one of those things where like, where you're told something is so amazing, so much. You're kind of reticent to jump into it. Yeah. You can't be as good as you're telling me.

It was just like, yeah, I'm like, I'm sure it's great. And because he was really trying to play to the little like, you like Kingdom Hearts, you will like this. They're not exact, but there is a similar, like, thing that you'll like there. And I was like, okay, okay, we'll see. And I was super busy. And then it came time as we were getting closer to, like, Game of the Year discussions were starting.

And he was like, hey, we just got a bunch of codes. Here it is. Play this. I had nothing to do that weekend. and it was that thing of, I put it in and played like 10, 15 hours that first weekend and loved it. But what actually made me love it was, and it was a very Kingdom Hearts moment for me, was the intro.

When I loved it, the full intro playing with, just like the most beautifully stylized music video on this awesome song. And it was the same with, like, when I first played Kingdom Hearts, and that opening was like this amazing song and this incredible, like, video. And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to love this. That was, like, where I started. Yeah, just like the first, like, couple seconds of wake up, get out there. It's just like, oh, shit, this is a super.

It's so cool. It's so cool. And it's why it's my alarm still to this day. Oh man. I respect that. Because yeah. And I feel like mine was that we had all been hanging out a fair amount. And at that point I had heard you all because like Zach was playing in Alano was playing and like everyone was talking about it. And I was like, dang it, am I really going to start playing this? Because I've never, this is like really the first like JRP ever played. And I was like, and hearing that it was 100 hours was super daunting. I was like, this seems like a lot. But I started it over Thanksgiving when we had a couple of extra days off. And I like flew through those first

10 or 15 hours and then that's pretty much all I did for Christmas break. That like 100 hour thing that I kept hearing was one of the things that also kept me away from it. I was always like, I'm not going to have time for a hundred-hour game like on the newest things. But then once you get to the first palace and like you realize it's like oh that was like 10, 12 hours.

Only 90 to go. Let's go. Yeah. When I was playing, I had no idea. Because I'd played persona 4 and I think I'd put I don't know, I did that on a commute. So maybe 60 plus hours into it. I'm like, okay, I can kind of see. And then I hit that mark and I was like, oh, there's no sign of slowing down here, is it? I feel like we're right in the middle still.

Because at that point, you don't even know any of the twist or anything like that. Like that all significantly later. So you just keep trekking on at that point. I was just that person who just spent all night playing it and then would, you know, put the save on the cloud, come in the next day to work, sit at my desk all day, and then just go home and just play. it. And it was, you know, two, three weeks of that. That's wild. That's a, I can't imagine playing that, like, straight through.

Yeah. Because mine for sure was over months. I think there, I took, like, a month break and didn't finish it to, like, February, probably. I think I took a break in there, too. Yeah, I think I beat it, like, because I was doing a guest list for okaybeast.com of, like, a top 10 games of the year. And I wanted to beat it before the end of the year so I could, like, decide.

Yeah. I knew it was going to be my game of the year, but I wanted to just, like, see it. through and I think I beat it on December 30th or some shit like that. I hadn't even beaten it and we were trying this insurgency in the IGN Game of the Year voting pool where I'm like trying to get enough people to play it and to vote for game of the year because it was it was a numbers game and we were like, we were totally games to throw it thrown to now. Because it was going to be split between Breath of the Wild and Odyssey, right? You were splitting like the Nintendo votes.

We saw what happened with us. We got Persona into number two. We got Breath of the Wild and it won and then it was going to be Odyssey. and then a few of us just kind of went Hey, but What about persona fire? Don't hear me wrong. Breath of the Wild is a landmark achievement in game design and Nintendo's history

and gaming history. I love persona so much. All this stuff, all this stuff. Riuji's fucking cool. It's true. I don't know. We'll have... We'll hash out all our people. Clearly.

I don't... For real. I don't... Not like him. He's just so over the top. Yeah. Like he's a lot to handle and I don't feel like he has a ton

of character development. He says shit a lot. Like he just like unnecessarily like shit man. Why are we doing this? I feel like he had a lot of character development when you go through his story. Oh yeah.

That's a question that some one of our patrons put in. It might take me too long to scroll through it. But one of the questions was do you feel like all of the characters kind of stopped having a lot of development after you got through their palace or like related storyline? Which I do agree with but I also don't know what the, how you would continue to

evolve so many characters. Yeah. I think they had less individual focus but then the group focus got more refined and the group dynamics got worked out so I can kind of agree. It's a lot to balance on a story level because you are doing not just the party

member group but every confidant possibility storyline has to be serviced but also the main storyline has to be served. It's already 100 hours. There's seven seasons of a television show in a single game and so when you're doing that there are naturally going to be some that suffer. And also it depends on like when you decide

to give focus to things. Like there were some characters who I just straight up ignored for 30 hours because I forgot to. Hard. And I feel like she got the short end of the stick because she just, I feel like got introduced. And at that point I had kind of had like my party figured out and I didn't really care enough to

the exception to the rule I would say is Futaba actually because Fataba you get a one two punch of or one two three punch because you have her palace and then you have her confidant level and then you have the coffee shop owner I forget his name. So droer. Yeah, because

the more you get to learn and grow with him, the closer you get to her and the more that trio starts to feel like a family. Oh, it's so good. The end of that, like, confidant level thing, I was like, I did not expect at the beginning of this game this asshole who was driving me to school.

Like, I would fall in love with this man. He's such a good heart. Yeah. That one, I think, is probably like the best example of the story telling, especially in the translated version of it, because obviously there are some differences in how things get translated. Right. Like the complexity of that three-part relationship and that family is one of the best

structured, like, side relationship things. Yeah. It pays off so well. Yeah. And I just like Futaba's like storyline kind of in general of like, I feel like it, she's super relatable and the fact that like she's isolated and she finds like a lot of comfort in being on the internet. And like, I know that's where I found a lot of community and going through like mental

health struggles and all that stuff. Like, she hits a lot of points and I'm like, girl, that's why I think that she's best girl, even though I would not date her. Yeah, she's too little. She's best girl, but she's also like the little sister, you know. But yeah, when I, when you got, when you get through her story, that was like, shit, like, this is me in the game. Because everybody is like, ah, I'm like this person. And I was like, now that Futaba is literally like, what I do. And it hit hard. I was definitely like you skate the most, I would say. You're just a Renaissance painter. I was the Yuskega.

Let's see. Okay. So Lucy, you said that you had played through persona for Golden, I assume. Yes. So you'd done through that. Have either of you played through Persona Four? I started Golden when it first came out for Vita, but I was in the middle of college and was kind of just like, I don't have time for this.

I just became editor of my newspaper. And I'm like, I have too many real life responsibilities to maintain. So I bounced from that. I've always wanted to go back, but this was like the first I played. Yeah, in Barrett. Personafil is my first persona game. I do have a Vita somewhere in my, in my bedroom, and I refuse to pick it up because the Vita's just the worst. You know what I'm saying?

You're the worst. You don't get a PSTV. We literally had this conversation earlier today. I like 200 bucks. I was really. I wish I had that. Because there was for so long where they were like $20. I should go check the IGN offices if there's one like $30.

Did the same thing. Clay it out. Damn. That's like our GameCube library, I swear people took from it like 10 years ago. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was a wild, wild West back in the I-JAN days of Greg Miller. Yeah, I know.

I still have it. I had it. Don't look too hard. It's the same thing. It's like I started it right after I finished Persona 5. But then at that point, I was like too much persona. I was going to say, I wonder how that would feel because it's a very different. I only ever made it like 10 hours in.

because I was like, this is just too much persona overall. It didn't have anything to do. Like there are some weird gameplay mechanics that aren't. It's like going back to an older iteration. Fluid, yeah. The dungeon that one, are they randomly generated? No. Procedurally.

It's all kind of, but they all look identical. Yeah. Yeah, it's nothing near the level of care. You know, there's no puzzles really or anything. There's occasionally, oh, a locked door. And I have to kill the specific shadow and get the key or something. But it's persona for, I think. because I

So I was commuting at the time I had a weird commute and I was living an hour and a half away from the office and so I would just spend all that time playing Pesona 4 and I just but it took me

so when I wasn't doing it on the commute I picked it up and I played it for about half of it and then I put it down for a year then I put it down for a year then I blasted through the end did you start over or did you keep going?

I kept going impressive yeah because I think Pesona 4 just I don't know something about the characters that really resonated with me

and I really loved them. And it was my first persona game. And so, I don't know. And then five, and I was like, oh, my God, they just improved everything. Yeah. I feel like everyone, even today when we were tweeting about the 5R news, it's like, you haven't played four Golden yet? And it's my, everyone talks about how the character, how good the characters are and all that stuff.

So I think at some point I'll get to it and maybe push through those first 10 hours. They should just put it on PS4. Right? If it was on any other platform, I feel like I would play it. There's a way better chance. Or maybe just bring it. everything to switch. That'd be great. Cool. So yeah.

How long did it take everybody to beat? I'm just curious. 85. I think I was 94. I was in the 90s, I want to say. Yeah. I want to say I was like 110. Did you just like do everything? No, but I did a lot. But there's also like talking to goldfog. It was like a lot that I didn't do.

Yeah. Totally. But I also think it. There's a couple of things that I remember being stuck on as well. The spaceship dungeon was definitely, the palace was not, was kind of a frustrating design for me of like trying to figure shit out. Which airlock do I take? Yeah, exactly. To take me to the right place.

Everyone had told me how rough that was, so I just had our guide open at IGN. I use a guide for that too. I don't want this struggle at this one. Yeah, and I think there was a good spot where I was grinding a lot in Mementos, not to like clear every level in Mementos, but to like go around and just level grind and stuff. So I remember when I was playing, we'd already had a preview code in about a month before we got final code of Camashita's Palace. Not Camashita. The first one. Yeah. And so I'd played that dungeon already. And so when I was playing it again, you know, a month later, I was like,

well, I can just blast through this. Yeah. So I did. And then when it came to Momentos, I think that was the only thing that Andrew had told me, he said, do it as you go along. Don't let it pile up at the end because then you're just going to have to grind because you need to get all the way down to the bottom. So every time I would get a request through on the fan side, I would go in and just clear it. Got those Goldfarb hot tips.

It was the only one. The only one. I didn't want him to spoil it anything. Oh, thank you. Didn't want anything else really spoiled. From kind of funny.com, no, patreon.com, slash kind of funny games. Alex Bobcoe wants to know.

It's been away since I've played the game, but the one thing I do remember is how much I hated Okomura's palace, the spaceport. So you have a friend there. What palace did you hate, dislike the most? And then Christina asked, what palace left the biggest impression on you? I have a very fast answer for the one I hated the most, which is the cruise ship one. Solely, only, I really

liked the, because that's Say's Palace, correct? No? Yes? No. She had something. She's the casino. No, the boat is the bald dude. Yeah. Shitos. She do. Shito, there we go. Fuck that part where you turn into a mouse.

That was my least favorite part. Even though the mice with the little masks, very cute. But like that mechanic, I was just like, I hate this. I don't understand it. My brain isn't working. And at that point, you're at the end. It's the last palace. So I don't know if it's actually the longest palace or if it just feels really long.

Because I do feel like at that point, I was like, Okay, I'm kind of, I want to wrap this up a little bit. Yeah. I think least favorite space port. But my favorite was Matarame, because that's the one where you feel like you're a thief because you're going through the art gallery. Yeah, that's a good one. I also like the gangster dude.

Oh, who's related to the bank one. Yeah, the bank one was super cool. Yeah. And then besides the spaceport, I don't know if this really counts as a, a palace, but the kind of end blast to the final boss, where you're just going up in a line and fighting all of the, mini boss, yeah, that was.

Up to the final boss, which is also a pain in the ass. And it was just like... That's the part where I like continually just got my ass kicked. Yeah. Then you'll love the end of Kingdom Hearts 3. Oh, great. I still have like the last five hours or something like that. I really liked the bank vault, except for the boss

just because he was the only one where I felt like it was just, just hammer him until he gives up. Like a lot of the other boss, I love. I loved Montarames because that boss the boss fight was also a puzzle in figuring out how to do that and I loved that bit

I really like just on a design level like the casino is just so my dream The casino is my favorite too and Shadow Say is like one of my favorite like visual characterizations of like she has that cool dress and the yellow eyes and the hat

and she just looks so fabulous and I love her yeah that one I don't know if there's one other I really like the first Palace too. Kamashis.

Yeah. It's really good. It leaves a good, like a first impression kind of thing. Yeah. It's not too complex, but it gives you an idea

of like what these can be. Totally. Let's see what else do we have. Let's just jump to the question that was by far the most asked in all of our stuff.

Who's best girl? Or who did you end up dating or who did you accidentally end up dating everything? So best girl is the Makocococ. Yeah. But unfortunately, she kind of came in after in my head I already committed to Anne.

And so I was like, you know, I'm going to be good. And I'm going to see this through to the end. I don't want to hurt Anne. Yeah. And then the whole time I was like, oh, I was with my go-to. Yep. I had the same thing where I was dating on at first. I was led astray.

And then I realized that I was, I think I was dating on in the game because she was like the girls who had said no to me in high school when I asked them out. Yeah. I think it was just like, ah, I can't ask them. them out in the game. Yeah. I get my second chance. Yeah. So that's how my life was going at the time when I started a persona. But I also then came around to Makoto and even though I had gone to the end of the dating line with On, I was like, I'm just going to keep going on the dating line with Makoto also.

Well, and I feel like it's, I didn't realize going through the game that like I'd kind of accidentally ended up dating on. I was like, oh, I don't think I really have a choice now. Like, this is not what I meant to stumble into because I don't know that I necessarily necessarily would have gone that route. Gotcha. What I really fucked up on is I really wanted to date the hot goth doctor. Yeah. But her,

I feel like her dialogue choices are way harder than any of the others. So I don't, I need to go back and, I need to have a plan for the next time I play this inevitably. Hot goth doctor. Yeah. Yeah, I was very tempted by the goth doctor for a while. And then,

on I never really saw as a love intervie. trust, I thought, like, in my head, like, main character and her were, like, kind of, like, a brother-sister type. Like, like, best, like, homie type of vibes. Same with the Ruggia, of course. Because I always thought in my head, like, Riucian should date. Like, they'd be a cute couple. I ship that. Even when you date on, she's not good to you.

She kind of, like, ditches you for things or, like, you're a last resort for, like, when she has other, like, modeling. Modeling. Yeah, she's like, oh, I'll guess I'll also kiss you. But, yeah. And then it was, like, the more I learned about Mikoto, I was like, I was like, I was like, oh, very like prim proper nerdy schoolgirl who when she estraised from that is a badass. I'm literally dating that in real life

so I can't not do that, I guess. Yeah. She's very Hermione. Yeah. And she's a fucking, her persona's a fucking motorcycle. It's so cool. She has the coolest persona by far. I love her.

Yeah. Haru, I feel like, came in too late in the game to really be a, register for me. Yeah. Maybe in this new iteration of Personafi with the Royal

when the sin that is Morgana that turns into human, maybe they date. Hot cat boy. You're on the wrong side of history. No, it's fucking weird. Look at my cute little boy right here. I don't want to see him be a hot man.

He's just a tiny little cute cat. Because you might be a cat person now. I know, I know. It's a lot. It's, you got to, confront a lot of things by yourself with this new characterization. What about non-party people though?

Like outside of people that you actually fought alongside, who would be like best girl or favorite character? I really like to Fumi. She's the reporter. She's the Shogi player. Yeah. Oh, okay. Okay. I thought that her not max or her like abilities were really cool of like being able to swap out your party

members, which I used a lot. Okay. Okay. So, I really liked her and I liked her storyline of like, this is a thing that my family wants me to do and I don't really want to do this. Okay. This is not my dream and like kind of that whole thing. I didn't do anything with the fortune teller, so I have really no idea. She didn't really, I would kind of blast through her dialogue just because what you got when you ranked her up was really useful. Which was, what was it?

You could pay her a bit of money and every time you would see another confidant, you would. rank up faster. Oh. You could get more experience faster. Or at least when you were upping your staff. I think it helps you like overall. Yeah. So that was super useful.

But her story was, she was a psychic, but she was being taken for a ride by weird dudes. Yeah. Yeah. Trying to make her sell things. Yeah.

The, I really liked the reporter. I forget her name. I didn't love her. Yeah. And then there's also, I like the teacher. Never in like.

a romantic way, but like the more you got to learn about her story and like why she was doing this. I was like, oh shit. Like this is really sad. So I'm going to like help you out and like try to like get you to a better place and whatnot. So that was, uh, I really liked that. Her skill was definitely one of the best. Yeah, like the extra activity and stuff. Yeah. Yes, it was. Well, and to Kemi too at that point because you got to buy all those accessories. Um, so I always had like the SP generating bracelet or whatever on, right, which helped me like blow through. a lot of those palaces a lot faster. Cool.

I liked her stuff. Who was it? What was your go-to party configuration? If you remember. I looked at it. I know. I looked mine up because I couldn't remember. So it was on Uske and Ryugi

was for me. I kind of stuck with those like no, that's not true. It wasn't it was Makoto, not Ryugi. Yeah, one of the two of them were more like physical damage, when they. Riyuji was more physical, yeah. I would say like the two regulars like throughout, I would say Makoto and then Morgana. For healing.

Yeah, for healing. Like that was really important. And I think I would switch, like I was constantly rotating out on Yuske and Ryugi. Because I kind of wanted to like have them at the same level. as well and I've found all of their stuff like kind of useful for different stuff. I feel like I had Mogana,

Ryuji, Aunt had fire, didn't she? Yeah, she was my Uki-Hikiko. I also did really like her like whip thing. Yeah, that was cool. She just had a cool costume.

I kept Ryugi the entire time. I don't think I ever took him out of my party because I found lightning was so effective. Right. For so much of the game. I think there was like one Palace where I swapped him out for like half of it because lightning was being blocked every time.

But other than that, I kept her Yuji all the time. Once I got Makoto, I kept her in especially with Futaba's palace because like that final battle when you need her, I forget what the ability is. It's like rain shower. She had some ability that prevented you from having a status effect that was essentially. And I was like, once I needed that, I'm like, oh, she can be that person. And then I would swap out on Yuske and Morgana.

We're kind of like rotating. I wish you could remember the personas that you would make for your, from MC. Because I remember making some cool ones, like going into the Velvet Room and just like fucking around with like what different things you could put together. It was so fun. The one that's a dick and a chariot. That's the best one. That is the best one. He's in everyone.

I ran into him. I, like, distinctly remember I was playing the game at like 7 a.m. on a Saturday morning because I like couldn't sleep the night. I woke up and I'm like, yeah, I'll play through some. And my girlfriend was asleep. And I saw this creature for the first time and like yelled out. Like, holy shit. I was living in Kevin's house. So I think I was like, oh, please don't like.

It was just like, oh, giant dick creature on the screen. Cool. Because they give it an awful name as well. Yeah. Because the actual persona's name is like Mara, but then when you come across it in the palace, he's got a horrible. Yeah. Oh, no.

Yeah. I remember like have it. Like, I remember loving the personas that like I had created, but I can't think of any of them which bums me out. Yeah. I mean, there's some like Jack Frost that kind of go across all games. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's ones that are just

that's just a lion with a nice collar on it. I remember that one. Just turn them all into like Pokemon or something like that. Yeah. And that's why I'm convinced Tim would really like this game. See, me too. You're trying to talk to him about earlier. He was like, nah, bro. $100, I got better shit to do. It's like, whatever. You're going home to like just fucking watch stuff on your Xbox 1X.X. How many hours

did it take you to get all those damn moons, Tim? You have a hundred hours. And it took him fucking forever to get all those spirits and smash or whatever. So this is a Tim Getty's ass game, even though he doesn't want to admit it. He won't play it. And even though Greg Miller won't finish playing it either. And now we have to wait another year because now he's really not going to play until R comes out unless it comes out on Switch. He's not going to play R.

You don't think so? No. He will only finish that game if it comes to Switch. We need to bait him into some sort of bet where he's forced to play. Otherwise he's going to be starring in like Star Trek Discovery season three or something. who knows what he's up to at that point. The finishing the compendium was like the biggest deterrent for me to

I don't think I didn't. It's part of the platinum because this was like the first game I've ever even like Try like thought about it. Let me look to see what it is and that I don't know. But that was the thing that if it wasn't for that I think I might have tried to but there are so many different personas.

You have to you in a game plus. Yeah. But I was like, I don't, I think that is beyond my capability. And like, how do you, I'm like tracking on? This seems like a lot of work. This is one of those. Like, I love trophies more than I should because I play other games sometimes. But yeah, this was one of those games where I fully accepted, even though Andrew platinumed it in both

Japanese before there were guys. He's a crazy person. I just, I knew I'd never get it. What was your palace strategy? Like, were you one that immediately went through when you got the calling card? or did you pace yourself out a little bit? I would get to the point where I would send a calling card and then I would, as soon as I could,

maybe in one or two nights if I could, and then I would use the rest of the time to up my stats in the real world and just do jobs and build confidence or whatever and then wait until the last possible moment to send the calling card. Just thinking ahead, like trying to scheme the system. I think what I would do is

like right when the palace was available, I would run through all of it, send the calling card immediately, and then wouldn't have to worry about the rest of it. Like, I wouldn't have to worry about the palace until, like, until like this set date or whatever. So there was a couple palaces where it was just like, all right, now just play through a month of your normal life and like see what's up and stuff. So that was like, I feel like that gave me a little more chance to explore the outside world and stuff.

But I feel like there was a couple of them where they forced you out for a couple of days. Some puzzles you had to do in the real world. That was one in Matarames, I remember. Right. And then I think there's like a similar one later on, but I can't remember. So yeah, I would try to get it like all done as fast as possible and then wait for the day like a month later and then do the boss fight. I really goofed on the first one because I played it like when I went into the

the palace, I backed out of it and played it over like three or four in-game days, not knowing that like, oh, I could just keep going. Yeah. Because for whatever reason, my dumb brain was like, oh, there will only be a limited number of, like, hours I can play in the palace. Like, because the day goes by, I was like, oh, it'll only take up a little bit of time, like something. Oh, got it, got, got it.

Not realizing it would just take, no matter what you did. I thought it would take up, like, the day and the night and then, like, some of the other day, like, I thought it would cause time to go by for some weird reason. So I told Andrew that I was doing that. And he's like, no, just do it in, like, one shot and you're fine. Every palace after that I would do in just one day. But normally I waited like a week or two in to like if it was like a three or four week period. I usually would wait like a week or two and then finish it midway through because I also didn't love finishing too early.

And then it's like three weeks of them being like something's going to happen soon. Hopefully it still works. I'm like yeah, it's going to work. I've played four palaces now. Yeah, you get the system. I would end up for the first ones I gave myself a little bit more time in case I didn't make it through. and I didn't want to like run out of days. And then I feel like after that

I kind of rushed through them and then ended up with like a lot of time on the back end. Do you guys ever get jobs? Was that? Did you guys? Oh, yeah. The flower job. Yeah.

Flower shop was great for flirting, I think. Yeah. Because wasn't On always down there? Yeah, she was always shopping around there. I don't think I did much besides that though. There's the ramen shop. Yeah. I didn't do that one.

Oh, I think I went to the convenience store. for a while. Yes. I did that for a little bit. I did the ramen shop because there's also the political speaker who you need to have that job to further, like, be able to talk to him and start his confidant thing. I never did anything with him. I kind of forgot. He was really easy to do. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot what he was able to do. Like, what he added to like what your abilities or whatnot. I felt like it was important. I felt like the second or third level of him though, like did something pretty useful. And then I just didn't bother to finish through it.

Joe's the first one that pops up. Yeah. I totally 100% completely forgot about him. What was his name? Do we know? Mr. Political Speaker Man.

Mr. Political Speaker man. He's a list. Hey. What's up? I did the ramen shop a bit, but I did, I did the ramen shop a bit, but I Barrett, stop mucking at the camera. Y'all are figuring shit out. I'm talking to you.

Okay, fuck. Not a job-wise, but I did the Big Bang Burger like 30 times. Oh my God, yeah. It was so worth it. It was a good grind for like those three. There's like the one where you could get like three different

stats and stuff. It was so useful. And even if I wasn't great at it, it was still worth like if I really couldn't do something for an afternoon or evening, it was worth wasting an evening on. It was because I was so dedicated to try to get to the 10th level of hot goth doctor and you needed like

you'd max out everything like max out like three specific things and like high stuff for everything else and I remember like grinding through and using the bang burger for to get there

and also just the amounts of studying I did in the fucking school to help with uh I never studied what I studied at the like cafe yeah I never did oh no I was in the library the reason I was so into studying as well

was because I think Dakota you need you need to be fucking smart you need to be like nine or ten like maxed out I already was brains oh yeah yeah fucking nerd um yeah I'm trying to think of I was in the library a lot I feel like you got to bring in those books for the train rides you know yeah I didn't find many I didn't naturally find a lot of books which I was surprised about did you buy him from the bookshop well I didn't yeah no I didn't do that I think I bought all of them or almost all of them at that point. That's the one near like the bar that you go

to as well to talk to the reporter. Over there. Andrew also really tipped me off like early on it became a very big thing for me but it was like take care of your plant in your room Oh yeah, yeah. Oh, I forgot about that. Because you could feed a different fertilizer and that would also depend

on how much of like a stat boost you would get from it. Yeah. And there's also the where can't I think it was like across the street from where you lived as well. the, baseball. There's baseball I got a home round

on one of my first things. The sauna. The sauna. Yeah. If you did it on a specific weird. It was, when it rained.

When it rained, you'd get like bonus XP and stuff. It was the best. There was a juice you could buy as well. In the,

not the more, like the vending machine. Oh yeah. On the bottom floor, remember there is a juice vendor and every day it would up a specific

stat. Oh, I vaguely remember that. Yeah. The Shibuya station thing was a bit of attention, but like I got to go to Japan for the first time last year, and I wasn't in Shibuya, but when I got to a train station, like for the first time we were just hanging around one night, it was like, oh my God, this is persona. They actually did it. They got it right. It was like, oh, wow, it's crazy how realistic the parts of this crazy, unrealistic game are. It's my goal to go to Japan and do like the Persona 5 tour.

Because I've seen people have gone around and be like, this is the neighborhood that it's definitely based. on and like you can kind of piece it all together and I think that would be so cool. Yeah, they did like guided tours. Yeah. Kind of thing. I would so do that. I'd be so excited.

Let's see what else do we have. Okay, this is a question from Pink says, hey, KF slash IGN slash GameSpot crew, I added that part. I haven't actually played Persona 5, but Joker's Inclusion in Smash Brothers Ultimate. I hope you haven't gotten to this part of this spoiler cast because it's going to be miserable for you.

It is a spoiler cast, no holds barred. But in his inclusion in Smash Bros. Has piqued my interest in the game. The problem is, I don't pay many RPGs. My experience with the game is basically limited to Pokemon and Fire Emblem. I've heard the combat is very similar to Pokemon, but 100 hour playthrough is a big investment, especially when there's so many great games, submitting my attention. So on behalf of all the RPG nobs, would you recommend giving P5 a shot?

Yes. Yes, absolutely. It's always really cheap as well. I think it's 20 bucks right now. Yeah, it's part of the greatest hits line, I think. I think its systems are super accessible, especially the way they like dole things out because they really do space it out. It's a very complex game, but they take their time with giving you that complexity. And especially if you are someone who has played Pokemon, I think you'll have like an innate sense of how to work with this game a bit.

Yeah. Besides Pokemon, this was like the first JRP that I've given shit about it since I was like six or seven years old with Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 7 slash 10. Those all kind of, I played all at this kind of the same time. So absolutely, because this brought me back into the world of JRPGs and then led me to other great games like Nino Cooney too. Yeah. Higgledgies are lit. Yeah.

Reference to a beyond episode that happened a year and a half. Yeah. That one beyond that we keep bringing up. Yeah. God. Yeah. This was my like first JRP. And I feel like the game does a really good job of like the tutorial part lasts a very long time.

And you're like, wow, I'm still learning things. And I am 30 hours into this. game. Sorry, go ahead. Oh, I just think that it, it felt, it didn't feel too handholdy, but it didn't feel like, I have no fucking idea what to do. Well, I want to ask, like, it being your first RPG, were you averse to the genre, or were you just not interested in it?

Like, was there. I shouldn't, there was not, there wasn't one that ever really, like, piqued my interest. This one was sold to me on a lot of my loves of various TV show dramas. They're like, oh, this takes place in a high school, and you're, like, also fighting crime. and bad people and I'm like, oh, hell yeah, I'm super into this. So it seemed right at my alley. They're like, I've seen other, like, Tim always talks about Fire and Blumen and all that shit, which I've never really gotten into, though, though new one that looks like very vaguely Harry Potter.

I'm like, oh, yeah, maybe I'll end up playing this. And like, I'm definitely way more open, right? Like, wait, hold on a second. I'm definitely way more open to playing more. but the time required is like a investment. But I feel like I know so many people that played it like months and months and months. You don't have to do it all in one go.

I think it's good at least for me to play different kinds of games as like pallet cleansers. Yeah. Especially with this game, I feel like the setup of it is so it feels custom made to like if you want to take breaks in between. It's like at Beat a Palace. Okay, if you take a break for two weeks, like that's fine.

It's like what you said. Like this game is seven seasons of a show put into a game. So if like you want to take a break after a palace, like absolutely and then come back and you kind of remember stuff and then you easily like go back into it. I mean, even the menu, like when the loading screen icon take time. Yeah. Absolutely.

I want a good call back. So good. Is there anything in the game you would change? Yes, absolutely. The handling of the LGBT characterization in this game, especially like the two older gay gentlemen were always used as kind of like a punchline to a really shitty joke. Yeah. So I feel like you would either, you should either cut that or maybe, you know, like adapt to their dialogue to something that's not as like, ha ha, gay people are fucking funny, right?

Yeah. That was always kind of like a tough pill to swallow. Just like, man, this is my favorite game ever. And it has just the worst characterization of LGBT communities out there. so it's just like that was one of probably like the biggest criticisms leveled at it like fairly so but I do wonder if like

with the royal they'll go back and tweak that at all like it does give them the option to but yeah I don't see that happening but I hope it will but knowing it's just Japan the culture of Japan I feel like has a lot of catching up to do in that category so I don't know if they'll

really be forward thinking with that hopefully they will but they also are doing this whole thing with Catherine and that whole situation with that story so I don't see the same company like thinking ahead of being like oh yeah maybe we should change that and like better fit like

those characters and whatnot and then also of like being able to date men as well I think you should I think you should be able to day everybody yeah yeah cut there was um in persona four at least people like date to mind it and they found cut dialogue where you were supposed to be able to

romance yoske um and I you know they just never went with it for four and then again for five. Interesting. That'll be an interesting change. I'm going to segue to a calling card from Andrew Goldcard. There's a couple things, a couple notes

he passed along before he left. One thing that kind of ties along to this is persona, the team that made three, four and Catherine. That's what rang the bell. All left to make another game. So the team that's making,

Persona 5, the Royal is a different one. Interesting. So we'll see that, I don't know, that could affect this, that could not. But if it's a different team, maybe that could help. So they made three, four, Catherine, and they also made five. Did they make the Catherine remake is the question? I don't. That's not in his notes.

I didn't follow that. We need you. Why did you leave me? So, yeah, we'll see what. it's just an interesting note that like if this new team could potentially update some of those things and I also yeah

the localization too I wonder like if there's some there are some rough patches in there sometimes that definitely made me but yeah I do love some of it though because like there are like really great the voice actors I think are all great in it too but sometimes they're saddled with like

oh man like they must know that the freezing they're saying is not how English speakers would say that but they still have to say it. For sure. I still give it that role. Yes. Yeah.

Matthew Mercer, shout out. He's so good. He's so good. So good. It's so funny now, like, I listen to Critical Role now, and how many games he pops up in is just a sound thing. Once you know his voice. Yeah.

Like my girlfriend loves Critical Role and so she knows his voice very well. And so we'll just be playing a game. She's like, that's Matt. I'm like, what? Oh, okay. And yeah. And yeah. And yeah.

I love it. Yes. Yeah. Okay, let's go to a general question. Oh, no, we do have a question. Jeff Lee wants to know, did any of you guys guess the twist before it happens, before it happened? Is it in the Igor twist? The Igor twist, yeah.

I knew something wasn't right there. I was like, why he changed his voice actor to be something so different? Another calling card. The Igor voice thing was really interesting, but makes more sense in the Japanese version, because his famous longtime voice actor died in between four and five. So when people started the game and he had a dramatically different voice, it was a surprise, but kind of written off as, why did they cast this?

And then the twist made more sense. And in the Japanese version, after you're talking to the real Igor, all of his voice lines are reused from older games. Interesting. Because, yeah, as being a persona new, I was like, this guy's creepy and that's my only, I didn't have anything to compare it against. Yeah, and then like the twist of, I would say,

also um pancakes so yeah pancakes the um what's his name uh kore yeah coro akachi that whole thing ace detective ace detective junior ace detective pet detective um that whole like the whole buildup like you knew something was going on it was just like what specifically yeah what's your angle I think there was like some sort of scene maybe like a half hour to an hour before they revealed what the actual plan was where I put it together. Because there's like some sort of scene where they're testing something. And I was like, oh, I think that's how this happens. And so, yeah, I was able to kind of get that, yeah, totally a persona new.

So I did not put together the whole Igor stuff. But I remember Goldfar telling me, like, oh, yeah, it's like a different voice actor this time around because of what you said. And then the catchy thing, I feel like was pretty obvious. Pretty well telegraphed that you shouldn't be trusted. Trusting him. You didn't know motivations or exactly why, but you're like, you're sketching. I had no idea about the pancakes scene.

That went over my head. Really? I had no idea. Did you know? Immediately when he turns the corner and he was like, does someone mention pancakes? I was like, hold on. I didn't know how I was going to play through,

but I remember it's like, only people who have gone to mementos and stuff can understand Morgana. Morgana was the only one who said anything about pancakes. It was such a throwaway line that I did not even think about role for Morgana at least. I'm like

you always talk about like random shit. I don't know. I just remember in that moment being like I don't think anybody else said pancakes. I think it was just Morgana. And again, I had no idea how I was going to play into the future. But could you not imagine Ryuji being like pancakes? Yeah, that's true.

I think that's probably what I wrote it off of it. Yeah. So, and with that twist, I texted you before the show. Yeah. There's a very funny story that happened in the IGN office with this twist. So Tom Marks on our team. He's been playing, he just beat the game recently, but he's been playing it. And before Andrew left IGN, he would come in every day and tell Andrew about what was going on.

And there was one day where he came in, he's like, hey, has a catchy been to mementos? Like, has he been there? Because he's the only one who caught that Morgana said pancakes. He told Andrew the scene and Andrew wanted to protect the moment for him. So I was sitting across from Andrew. Tom couldn't see me because there was like a pole by our desk, but my face just went bright. Oh, no, he figured it out.

And Andrew, like, I could see the panic in his eyes for a split second. And then Andrew's like, wait, what are you talking about? And he was like, yeah, he says pancakes. And Andrew's like, I don't remember that scene at all. Like Andrew was playing it off like that moment. Like, that movie didn't. Did not need to be dissected. I don't think they mentioned pancakes in the game ever again.

Like, he was playing it off and he played it off so well. And Tom was like, oh, man, I really thought it was something. And then when Tom got to the twist, he texted, I think he texted Andrew, he texted me, I think he texted a couple of people, and he just texted me, pancakes. And it took me a second because it had been so long. I was like, what? Oh. And he came in the next one. It was so great.

Shout out to noted actor, Andrew Goldfarb. Yeah. All those days on Gospel Girl and 30 Rock really paid off. I love it. We're going to segue. Do you guys have any other final thoughts on persona? I want to talk a little bit about Smash and a little bit about our predictions and ideas. for the royal.

I have one fun question if anyone remembers. Do you remember your like your Phantom Thieve team name? Ooh. Like when you name them after you have the big buffet?

GameSpot. Because I had to capture it. On brand. Yeah. That's fair. I don't remember. I don't either. I was so proud of mine

in the moment and I went in told Andrew the next day and I was like, you get it, you get it? And he's like, no. I named them heart attack because you're the Phantom thieves and you're stealing people. hearts so it's an attack on hearts and also

because I had just been listening to Billy Joel a bit so that line was stuck in my head. Jonathan Doormish everybody. I based my JRP names on Billy Joel but I was like so happy about it I was like told Andrew and he's like yeah it's good I guess I was like no I don't remember it must have not been interesting

or maybe I just did the Phantom Thees. I did not I might have done something kind of funny related at that point too but I don't remember stuck with me. I just want to shout out a few key moments that always stuck with me. It's the moment where you think Ryushi dies near the end. It was very upsetting. I remember being very emotional and teary-eyed. I was like, oh my, like,

I did not expect for them to go, like, do that. And then he comes back and then everything's fine. You're like, ah, yeah, okay. You're just like majorly on Team Ryugi. I had no idea. I fucking love him. He's the best. Great. I love him. Because he has a lot, sorry, always love you hanging. He reminds me a lot of kanji from Persona Four. Just a very hot-headed, blonde, spiky head boy. Very anime boy, yeah. And then when you think Morgana dies,

I was also very emotional. Oh, that was... When that happened, I was playing, and Alyssa had just come home from picking up groceries from, like, work or something. She texted me, like, hey, like, come outside and help me. And I just got into that moment, so I'm coming out, like, kind of, like, pretending not to cry.

She's like, what is wrong with you? I was like, nothing. Morgana maybe just died. I don't know what's happening. And so, yeah, and then the very, very end of the game, the true ending where they all like get together and bring you in the, and you do the drive along the coast. I was like, the drive got me.

Like he felt abandoned by his family, but now he found a family, and now he's leaving them and it's too much. It's a lot of feelings. I do have to give a shout out to Barrett, because even before I played Persona 5, before I lived in San Francisco, I used to stay, I used to crash it on their couch and his

PS4 theme was Morgana. Oh, those themes are incredible. My still on that you can buy it. It's so good. It plays the music. I need to do it. But I remember being like really in. I was like, bear it just leave very like PS4 on like Idol or whatever.

So you can do it. You bought the soundtrack before you even bought the game. Because of that. Yeah. The music. Incredible. It's great. We had, we're talking. a little bit before we recorded about the vinyl that's, or the second

pressing, I guess, right? The I AMA bit. Yeah, and it's like tie-died and like marbled or whatever. The slips for the discs all are basically their costumes. It's like each of their outfits but basically like stomach and chest area. I don't need it. I don't need it.

Yeah. I don't need it. I want it. They do, all their stuff is so pretty. Yeah. So maybe. Don't. I don't need it. I know. I don't need it. I know. I had blocked it out of my mind until you guys had brought about it. Let's do a follow-up episode.

After the Royal. You make a good point. Greg's out here. He'll never find out. Nick doesn't know that we don't have a record player. It's fine. Have you guys played as Joker in Smash? Yes.

A little bit. A little bit. What thoughts? I think Tom Marks makes the very good point of no one associated Joker with a hook shot until this game. Yeah. It's been his thing in the office recently. He goes on that round. He had a good tweet to that today.

But yeah. But yeah, besides, like, I think he plays really fun. It was tough going back to other characters because I felt like he, his play style was tough to unlock the spirits that come with him. So I had to, like, go back as, like, Donkey Kong and a couple other characters. But, yeah, I think he's very fun. They did a lot of little details to, like, make it feel like, like, persona is really in this game.

The stage is super neat. Yeah. I didn't figure out how to unlock the persona 3 and persona 4 versions of that stage. The music. Isn't it? Just changing music. Oh, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Or you can buy the Me Fighters.

Yeah. That probably doesn't do it. My favorite thing about that video is not the persona part. It's where they're like persona, like, Joker and the stage and everything. And then they're like in the persona three costumes and the persona four costumes. And also Sonic the Hedgehog costumes. Yeah. Okay.

Fucking tails. Do it. And then I'm a little confused by his special meter where it makes him call Arsend. Yeah. Because I thought when they explained his moveset in the video, it was a similar thing to Cloud where if you do down B, it'll fill the meter. But I haven't, I've tried holding down B and it doesn't do anything. So I think it's just a damage thing. I also, I was a little, I thought maybe something different would happen if Arsend was out while I did the final smash, but not.

nothing different happened. And I was like, man. I do love that it's the all out attack. Oh, it's so fucking cool. So cool. And even the, yeah, running through. And you can apparently like change which end screen it is, depending on like which, like when it says game, if you press like right, left or up, it'll change which one it is.

So you've got the Morgana running into the screen. There's a similar one, I think, where he's just running. And then I think a third one specifically with like, for you. she talking over him or something like that? I forget. I'm going to have to play around with that. But yeah, every time it does the all-out attack or when you win as him, I'm like, I just want to go back and play persona.

Right. Yeah. Yeah, and even the little meter is like the SP meter. And I was just like, just these little touches where I'm like, I love it. You guys really care about us and want to cater to us. All the little details in that DLC pack are my favorite parts.

Because I took such a big break between smashes, like melee was the last one I really played, I'm just very bad at smash. So I was terrible. I'm like, I do not know how to play. Sorry, we keep high-fiving in front of me. I just miss him so much. You're fine. I, like, I'm very

bad at it, so I lost every match I was playing as him because I had accidentally the computers at, like, level nine. Oh, gosh. It didn't go well. But I like his move set. I like the variability in it. It feels like pretty well balanced. Yeah. But he it's every little thing

about the stage, the music, the aspects of it around him that are my favorites, which I think sets a high bar for whatever they do next. Also, Kirby looks cute AF. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So good. With his like swoopy hair.

I love the fucking meme that came back of like when he turns into Joker and he's got a gun and people are just a screenshot. It's Kirby's got a fucking gun. So good. Yeah. I haven't really played much around with it. I played like maybe two games and I was like, I don't understand any of this. But I don't hate it.

And I'm determined. I'm more determined with Joker. than with Isabelle of like, I would just really like to learn your move set and be somewhat. I don't know if if Smash ever comes back to the office because Smash I don't know that. We used to play. There was like a solid two weeks where everyone would just be like,

you guys want to play Smash. So if it ever comes back, I don't know if he'll ever be a main for me. Yeah. Because there's like his specific move set, like I don't, like I really like and everything you said like I totally agree with. But like the way he plays, I'm not attuned to. So I don't know if you'd be a main. over Donkey Kong and Cloud.

He does feel like specific in a way that I felt like I really needed to learn him to be with him. And if I didn't put it in that time, I just wasn't going to be able to work well with him. Yeah, for sure. I got dropped off Smash so quickly because I went home and I was just traveling up and down the UK. And I was like, this game is less fun when you play by yourself. No, 100%. I totally agree. Like, I haven't done really any of the like spirit stuff.

I weirdly got super into the spirit like story mode shit. I don't know why. I got it. Speaking of Andrew, he would come in, like, when that game first came out, rest in peace. And he would talk about it. He was like, yeah, I played through the first, like, half of it last night. And I'm like, how?

How do you get me? Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Okay, let's talk a little bit about Persona 5 of the Royal. Let's gauge excitement levels. What are you all thinking? Part of me stressed. Uh-huh.

Because if they announce a Switch version, do I want to wait and play it on Switch? Will the Switch version have all the Royal stuff, or am I just going to have to replay it on PS4? I don't think it's, I think Switch is just going to be base game. Do we want to jump to just, do we think it's actually going to come to Switch? It has to. I'm still, I'm still 50.

So to give context, depending on when this comes out, we're recording this the day before. Wednesday, the 24. We know what P5S is. And so I'm still 50-50 on. It could be Persona 5 Stadium and it's just a fucking fighting game. Or it's persona-5 Switch for, or whatever. Like I'm 50-50 on that. If it is the switch version, I think what we're getting is base game and PlayStation gets the exclusive kind of like better version of the game of the

year. Yeah. By putting it on multiple. Yeah. But yeah, I will absolutely play both versions. I know. I think I will too, but I think I'll only end up playing persona 5 on switch like when I'm traveling or whatever. I don't. I'll think it'll be like a main game for me when I'm home. Yeah. I feel like it also really depends on if it comes to Switch. It's hilarious how outdated we're going to be. I know.

Tomorrow. We can put this out tomorrow and we'll be outdated. If it comes to Switch and it's like two months before it comes the Royal comes on PS4, like I'll probably prioritize the Royal. Yeah. That's another interesting thing. But if it comes to Switch and it's like and it comes out in June this year, then yeah, that's like a much bigger incentive for me.

That's a full, at early six months before it would come in. Exactly. Probably closer to a year. Yeah. Yeah. If it's one of those weird things where if it is Switch and it's Japan this year and then Western audiences next year, it'll be, yeah, I probably won't. It'll probably be a similar situation for you. And you where it's like, I'll prioritize the Royal, pick it up on Switch at one point.

It'll be like a fun travel game. And then. Yeah, if it comes out in the next couple months, your boys get in that Switch version. You boys playing the entire fucking game this year and then gonna do it again next year on the Royal. I'm broken though because my thought is, even if it comes to Switch,

I'm like, if I'm gonna replay just the base game, why don't I just play it on PS4 and get the platinum trophy? Yeah, and then get all the new game plus benefits. Yeah, exactly. But you can't take it with you. I know. It's rough. This new character, girl, person.

Because Sumi? Yes. I think. her characterization looks awesome and her like a phantom thief outfit I'm very into

I'm interested I didn't love any of the girls really in the game like best girl like I really liked Futaba as like a younger little sister

but I didn't love Makoto or On or Haru that much so I'm wondering if she's gonna be like my go-to in-party love interest oh speaking of well kind of

speaking of. I have another calling card from Andrew Goldfirm. Where is it? Sorry, I had an alarm go off. I have an alarm for the last three weeks because we've been doing these MCU recap tweets. Yeah. And I need to do those live. Oh, yeah. Persona 5's last playable day is in December compared to Persona 3

going through the end of January and persona 4 golden running through February. So that's almost definitely where the extra content will come in P5R, probably an extra month or two or a new dungeon. so it'll be interesting to see how that all plays out. I think I read that they've put another semester on. So I wonder if that's, because they do a lot of those time jumps there. So I wonder if it'll just jump in there.

After Christmas year, or like Christmas Day or New Year's Eve or whatever, you literally jump to like Valentine's Day. And then after that, you jump to April or May. So maybe they just fill those gaps with this? I feel like the end of the story does feel very like, definite. I don't think you can add onto there.

It'd be really funny if they all go to a new school and she's like the one student that they all like hang out with. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it makes sense to fill in the gaps the most probably. But if she is a transfer student that transferred at the same time as him, like I do wonder how that affects like the beginning of the game or if she's just not. When she would come in. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Because you see her with like there's a screenshot of like you having lunch with her and a catchy. Yeah. She seems to be. Do you know where they're eating pancakes? Oh, are they? Yeah. That's awesome.

Hell, yes. Do we know when she transfers in? It's the same time as him. Okay, I wasn't sure if it was like in the semester where she comes. I feel like the fact that they said she's the same time, I feel like they're going to try to embed her throughout the story a little more, rather than just hacking her on. So she's not going to be a playable character, you don't think. They're not going to do a P3 with it. No.

No. I would love to have a female person. She's just a new... I feel like they said this. I might be wrong. She's a party member, right? She's a party member. It'll be cool to see what her persona turns out to be.

And it'll be interesting to see what her story plays out as because the teaser trailer, right, from a couple weeks ago was like, we assume it's her VO saying like she doesn't believe in the phantom thieves and like how they're doing things. So it'll be interesting to see

what her story goes from like, is it similar to me? a catchy where she like joins them but has different motives and all that stuff so I'm excited. Also maybe this is me being completely ignorant and you can tell me with persona for golden does the like subtitled golden have any meeting to the content they added? It was like a hmm or is it just based on the coloring golden like I didn't play episode four I just played golden yeah it was a new dungeon I remember that and they added a bunch of um like confidence social links

No, like the multiplayer-ish stuff. I don't know. Because I'm just wondering if like the royal speaks to her in some specific way, beyond a color scheme or something. Like if that's her. Persona, Arcana, whatever. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Interesting. I don't know. I'm excited, whatever it is. I think it'll be the most interesting to see how they intertwine her in the core P5 story if they do. And how that changes the dynamics of things. It seems like a lot because they have. like straight up like animated cutscenes with her and stuff. Yeah.

I'm interested to see like how important she'll be. And then there's also the other character, the, uh, counselor. Oh, hot counselor. Yeah. Hot, hot, and hot Morgana. Yeah.

I hate it. It's a fucking monstrosity. This is a weird game with like a lot of the relationships with the adults. I have like, in real life, like this is not okay to like date your teachers or like date your doctor. That's got to be bringing some weird violations. But then we're like, yeah, hot doctors. totally into it.

That is like a weird thing to like juggle, but I just kind of chalk that up to it being a game. But the guy is really hot. I do like the hot counselor. And that was interesting because it seemed like there's just like a screenshot of him and on. So it'll be interesting to see

if he plays a bigger story than just a social lane or whatever. Maybe. Ooh. He seems like a good guy, right? I mean to me a total, like I don't know. It just in my mind, I immediately was like, oh yeah, that counselor's totally doing it with some of the kids. I was totally just like.

But we've already done that. I know. There was another surprise. Oh. And you're totally anti-hot, Morgana? I fucking hate it so much. I love it. He's so weird.

Like it's weird. Like, I looked at the face and I was like, I don't see it in my head of like the voice of Morgana matching that person. No, that definitely not. Yeah. Yeah. And it'll be. And he's going to tell you to go to bed. is it going to be like it's time to go to bed and he's just sitting now so is that just going to be like one of his abilities or is that going to be an added part of the story where he can like he has like a human form or something because I thought one of the other things was is that morgana was created by Igor to help you out so like it's weird that he has a human's form because he's we're in a fucking spoiler castor we're in how's the person who wrote in

He was like, I've never played for it. An hour and four minutes in. If you haven't learned by now, it's a spoiler cast. So it'll be interesting to see how in the story they explain that he has this human version. Like, well, it just come down to, like, a joke that happened. But is he still looking at the end of the game to try and find his human form? So maybe. I for, oh, man, yeah.

I mean, if he made him a cat, maybe. He could make him a human form? Yeah. That's a little too far-fetched for me. I'll take that. That's where the suspension is really dangerous too much. By God.

Wheelchair penis man. Yep. Yeah. That was a rough one. Yeah, well, I'm very excited to see what we, what kind of announcement we get tomorrow. If we get an announcement, we also get Persona Q2 this year,

which looks very cute. And like, maybe I should play persona four before that comes out. So I understand some of these characters and stuff like that. Did you play any of the dancing stuff? I played a little bit of them. But I just, It's so fun. It didn't.

I like the music, but it didn't really do anything for me. I won't more story. I played all of five, and that was the fucking jam. I platinumed four. Oh, wow. Hell yeah. That was like the one, that's my one persona game. You can say you have a persona platinum.

There you go. I think you totally can. It's got a persona in the title. Yeah, it works. Totally totally counts. But that one had the wildest, they put a story into it. It's like a full thing, right? But you, nothing.

happens, you just can I dance yet? Nope. I can dance for a little bit and then everything just sort of opens up. You have all the cool costumes and stuff. Remix is a good. Maybe I just add one more.

There's a VR mode. I forget what it is. It's theater mode. Isn't it like you just go into their costume room and like look around? Yeah, it's weird. It's weird. There's like people in the wall.

It's a strange like, yeah, you can see their costumes. Yeah. But yeah, I would say going through Percenta 5 version of it is super fun and worth it. Especially like hearing the remixes. There's literally one where it's not even them dancing. It's literally just the band and the singer, I forget her name. Yeah, Lynn performing it live.

It's just like their concert, which is fucking dope. I think from the big persona event last year, two years ago. That's where these announcements are coming from. Yeah, exactly. There's one that's like a straight up music video. it's like fucking there are original music video sequences. Yeah, there's one

where there's literally like a boy rock band and it's the fucking best. There's some good ones in there. Okay, fine, maybe I'll also add that to my list and maybe I just only play persona games for the rest of the year. I'm going to go home and play both persona dancing and then Persona 5, but I have infinity to order to watch tonight.

Do it simultaneously. Yeah, I will. If only it was on Switch. Fuck! Oh, man. Well, on that note, thank you guys for joining me for our Persona 5. Spoiler cast. I'm sure at some point you'll hear us talk about

persona 5 the Royal because it sounds like everybody at this. Stay tuned to kind of funny games daily and games cast and all that gets stuff. And GameSpot and IGN. And GameSpot and IGN and all that good stuff. Maybe we'll add a bumper to this. Yeah. Depending on what tomorrow's news is.

Beyond and then what's your new series that you're working on? Audio logs. First episode with Corey Barlogue, right? Very exciting. I know. Anything else? Anything else? You guys want to pimp out there?

Beyond 600 is happening at some point. Just don't do it. Right, yeah, because that worked out so well the first time. Just go to 599 to 601. It's fun. Yeah. So yeah, thanks for hanging out with us and take your time.