Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Pokemon Review and New Switch Rumors - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 95

Episode Date: November 25, 2016

Tim reviews Pokemon, we predict The Game Awards 2016, discuss the latest Nintendo news and rumors, and the Persona 5 delay. (Released to Patreon Supporters 11.18.16) Learn more about your ad choices. ...Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:58 Welcome to the first ever, episode 95 of the Kind of Funny Games cast. As always, I'm Tim Getty, joined by the coolest dudes in video games, Colin Moriarty, looking extra tall. I like it. and Greg Miller. Let's cut through the bullshit, and I thought you were going to beat me to it, and I was going to be very, very upset with you. Colin looks fantastic.
Starting point is 00:01:18 This shirt is making him look like an Adonis. Not right now, because he looks like he's all small and slouchy. But like, why, why, Kevin? Why? Right here, look at the definition he's getting in here. He's getting them good depths. Come back up a sec.
Starting point is 00:01:31 Come back up, just a sec. Then you can go back down. Look at the definition he's getting in here. This belly? He's looking really good. I like the colors of the shirt. It's games cast colors. It's a severed shirt.
Starting point is 00:01:41 Yeah. Good game. Thank you. It is a great game. Cool dudes. One of the great games of the year. Looking damn good at it too. You look good too, Greg.
Starting point is 00:01:49 Thank you. I'll spread the love. It's fine. You and I are just in our normal way. Yeah. This is a good look for Columariardi right now. He's looking good. This is my hair from yesterday.
Starting point is 00:01:57 I apologize. Why didn't you shower? It's been rough. Life. Yeah? Gets in the way. Sure. Anyways.
Starting point is 00:02:05 We're never getting the way of a shower. Work on the way. Yeah. What are you got on the way of the shower? life stuff. Your schedule just get out of whack? No, like, just like sad stuff. Okay, we won't talk about it.
Starting point is 00:02:14 Then we'll talk about it. It's all good. Anyways, I hope all of you are well listening and watching this. If you didn't know, this is the Kind of Funny Games cast. Every week we get together to talk about video games, all things we love about them. You can get it on patreon.com slash kind of funny games early, or you can get it later on YouTube. com slash kind of funny games. Either way, we appreciate and love you very much.
Starting point is 00:02:33 That's pretty much all for the rigumole. What have you guys been playing recently? Watchdogs, too, still? I'm addicted and it's getting worse. It's all I want to do, Tim. So you're playing yesterday. Yeah. And I was asking how the single player's going.
Starting point is 00:02:45 Sure. And you're saying you're just doing it. Who the fuck knows how the single player's going? I run around doing all the side stuff. I'm just collecting nonstop. Because it's just one of those things that I'm doing so well at getting the research points. And unlocking the new things on my trees. Why even bother playing the game until I've done all that?
Starting point is 00:03:00 Until I've gotten every paint job. Until I've gotten every piece of clothing until I've gotten every research point. Why? I mean, how can they expect me to focus on anything in this game until I've gotten all the sky mission's done where I've taken my selfie in front of everything. Point also to do this whole scout selfie game taking. Where the fuck is the Bushman? I'll tell you right now.
Starting point is 00:03:17 Four o'clock, any fucking day you go down to, you go down there to peer 39. He's going to be there. But I get there and I get the little message, come back later. Like the zombies come back later. Like the people getting married, come back later.
Starting point is 00:03:26 And I'm like, I appreciate this to an extent. But I don't appreciate the fact that I've come back multiple times of these locations and they're timed. Yeah. And I don't want to do the thing where I look online. I'm also thinking maybe it's as I progress. Maybe as I progress through this world. Maybe as I progress through.
Starting point is 00:03:38 this story, they will start popping up. But the, the way I see it, and this will be a time capsule for them, the way I see it, Jen leaves late Saturday night, like basically 1201 Sunday morning, kick her to the curb, wake up Sunday, and just play nonstop. And then I'll actually do some of these goddamn story missions and get in there, see what dead sex's up to. Because the ones, when I do stumble into one, when I want to shake it up, as they say, and I go in there and do a little bit, because, you know, they have a nice little progression bar. When you're going to your little dead sec app, You can see every mission you have available to you, how far you've gone in them because they're like narrative based or whatever, which I really like. And so sometimes I'll be driving.
Starting point is 00:04:14 I was like, oh, there's that thing I was supposed to hack forever ago for this thing. Go over there, hack it. Report back to the dead set crew. And they're like, all right, the next objective is over there. I'm like, great. Still looking for the donut man to go get that trophy and take my photo with him. You know what I mean? Like I got things to do before I get on to hacking the planet with you.
Starting point is 00:04:29 And then I drive by, I haven't been in that store in a while and have a lot more money. What outfit do I need? Well, I haven't seen this store before. What would I do there? I went to Alcatraz yesterday. get to Alcatraz. I've never been to Alcatraz. That's what, really?
Starting point is 00:04:41 Yeah. I guess that's one of the weird things about living in a city with the tourist attraction, right? I've never been up in the Sears Tower. Now the Willis Tower, but it'd always be the Sears Tower to me, right? Did they change the name of that tower? Yeah, yeah. Some bullshit. Well, Sears and Robach not having a great four decades.
Starting point is 00:04:55 But, yeah, the thing I go over to Alcatraz, I get there. For some reason, the gangs had, like, there was a gang set up on Alcatraz that was protecting a bag of money. I had knocked all these motherfuckers out and got their money and got out of there. But then I was just going. I was like, oh, there's Marin. Why not? You go over there.
Starting point is 00:05:10 I ended up in Oakland at one point. I'm just bumming around and just seeing what's happening in the Bay Area. I don't know why you'd ever want to go to Marin. Well, because there's collectibles there. There's research points there's. You know what I mean? Originally I bought my first set of clothes over in Marin when the game started. Got some biker gear.
Starting point is 00:05:23 Okay. And then I saw that, you know, one of the research points was hidden. I knew eventually I would have the ability to come back and get it. I have the ability to come back and get it. Because now, Colin, I can control the little things that lift construction workers up. Not cranes. I can't control those two. Forklifts?
Starting point is 00:05:35 Fork lifts? Forklifts as well. No, not even that. It's similar to the forklift concept. But it's just imagine a, it's just a scaffolding that moves up and down on its own. But cherry pickers have buckets, don't they? Doesn't matter. One of those things that Bernie has at rooster teeth.
Starting point is 00:05:57 Segway. Ashley. Go up. The use of an immersion. I don't know. He's an asshole. I think it's what you're talking about. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:06 It again creates all the X's. going up? Yep, that's the one. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot what the thing's called. I don't remember either, but I knew I one day I can control it. Now I came, so I've been running around doing that stuff.
Starting point is 00:06:14 I've seen way more in San Francisco with murals and all these different things. Landmarks, I've never, like you're saying, I've never actually gone to Lombard Street and fuck around a Lumberth Street. I know it's there. I see it sometimes when I drive by it. It's really curvy. Here I am now taking photos, jumping cars, doing crazy shit with it. I got my nitrous.
Starting point is 00:06:28 I'm nitrous in all over the fucking city doing this stuff. Having a great time. I like that. I appreciate that. Seems like a lot of people like the game. There's a bit of a disconnect with the whole online mode not working. Yeah. And that was,
Starting point is 00:06:38 that's what's interesting is I was when I was playing it, uh, and I was talking to Colin after the games cast last week. I started getting where it was running at like two frames a second and having all these issues. And I wasn't, it finally dawned on me a few days later. Oh,
Starting point is 00:06:50 it's probably because I'm connected online. And then they put up the statement about seamless multiplayer. And like, where we've disconnected this. It'll be back one day. Yeah. Yeah. It's been interesting.
Starting point is 00:06:58 I, because that was the thing, though, of like, I was going to be interested to see how it reviewed and what happened. And it sucks that they have this. thumbprint on it or whatever. It sounds like.
Starting point is 00:07:06 But it's also a catastrophic event or catastrophic event in the same way, it's not at all, right? Because like I always say about my games, like Con always says about his, I don't need multiplayer in this. Yeah, but I think it's catastrophic, not in terms of the individual's actual experience with it. I think more in terms of the game's perception
Starting point is 00:07:21 where that game needed everything it could get to succeed. Sure. And like any hit it gets is going to really be detrimental to it. I think especially right now, like them getting, I forgot what I got from my GM, but something like a 6.5. If 6.5 was the in progress review, I don't know if they've updated it.
Starting point is 00:07:37 A 6.5 in progress review is not good. You know, for a game that needed a 8 to be relevant to those people. Obviously, the people that want are going to play it anyways. Sure. For the game to like chart, well, I don't know. I'm interested to see how it sells because already it had a lot going against it. And this type of stuff can be really bad. Because it seems like the people that are playing it really like it.
Starting point is 00:07:56 Yeah. But that's what's been interesting is the fact that, you know, we keep talking about what a reviews matter anymore, right? We had the whole Bethesda review discussion and how their new policy was going to affect games and da-da-da-da. And we were talking about the different micro communities like this one, listening to people on Twitter and Twitch more.
Starting point is 00:08:12 It seems like, yeah, the IGN review, I saw day one and I haven't heard or thought about it since. Because since then it's been, well, the whole thing with the vagina getting posted and that guy getting in trouble. But on top of that then, just people putting up their screenshots. And right before this, I tweeted that, I just want to go play watchdogs in the response.
Starting point is 00:08:28 I'm getting from people are, yes, only a few more work hours, this, that, and the other, they're all talking about it too. Carbone is tweeting about it. Awesome. People are out there enjoying it. What about you, Colin?
Starting point is 00:08:36 Not much. The last week is, I've been busy with other things. So just call of duty, which we talked about last week. So nothing else in addition to that. Cool. Other things getting in the way. Big things. Big things.
Starting point is 00:08:47 Lola? Well, she's a small thing. She's a small thing. She's small. I mean, she's small. But no, just the election. I've just been reading and writing and doing other things. I didn't really feel like playing games last week.
Starting point is 00:08:57 So I played call duty a little bit, but I've just not really been in the mood. So nothing new to add. Nothing new to report. this is where I'm at with watchdogs. I feel like I got to dedicate time to this. I got to nip this in the butt. I got to get it tackled to the ground. I'm enjoying myself. I'm having a ball. Exactly. And I'm, you know, right after that's persona. There's some, what? No, fuck. No. Yeah, there's there are other things to play, especially like, you know, Dead Rising is on the horizon. I'm looking forward to that still too. I'll play your Final Fantasy. Last Guardian. But right now I have a time
Starting point is 00:09:25 to focus on this. I want to try dishonor. Everybody seems like Dishonor is great. I mean, granted Dishonor 1 wasn't for me, but I want to do. honor to the justice. Mm-hmm. I've been playing a little game called Pokemon, moon. Did you catch them all? Didn't catch them all.
Starting point is 00:09:40 Caught a lot more than I would have ever expected myself to. That's what they say, right? Got to catch a lot more than you ever expected to. That's the new 2016 model for it. Gotcha. Yeah, for some reason it's not doing it as well.
Starting point is 00:09:52 I beat the game. I have about 30 hours clocked on my file. You're a weird one. I feel like you played this game under the radar the entire time. I never knew you were talking. You didn't come in and talk about it.
Starting point is 00:10:04 You didn't say anything to me. I mean, it was over the course of three days, like, damn, pretty quickly. I think it was the weekend. So, yeah, that makes sense. That's probably why. Tim doesn't call me the weekends. I don't have been trying to wait and, you know, talk about it here.
Starting point is 00:10:15 It was one that I wanted to get done quickly because I, I know that at any moment we're going to get Fall Fantasy. And I'm just like, I got to be ready for that. Pokemon, Sled and Moon, we've talked about it many times on the show. It's a game that I was not really looking forward to, and it wasn't until, like, the last couple days before we got it that I was like, huh, I started reading a lot of threads about it because things were leaking and stuff. I'm like, man,
Starting point is 00:10:35 am I interested in this? Because now I'm getting excited. Now that it's a real thing. Because going into it, it's like the hype train of Pokemon games. I've been out of that for so long. And a lot of people talk a lot of shit about me because I'm like a G-1er when it comes to it. And it's like I love red, blue, gold, silver,
Starting point is 00:10:52 all my favorites. Ruby Sapphire, great, diamond pearl. Pretty good. Black and white, I kind of fell out of. Black and white, too, were great. But it's like none of them have the, the meanings that red, blue, golden, gold and silver did for me. So I am that type of fan, but I played the rest of them, and X and Y included.
Starting point is 00:11:11 So for me, getting to this level, I don't play competitively. I don't do any of that IV, EV, EV training, any of that stuff. That's way too deep for me. I just enjoy playing through the game, maybe playing with my friends once a little bit and call it a day. So for this to be coming out, I was like, I don't know that I need another Pokemon right now. Like X and Y years ago at this point, I played and I thought that that was the right time for me to get back into Pokemon. And it was.
Starting point is 00:11:35 It was a great time. And then they announced the Ruby and Sapphire remakes. And I was like, oh, that's cool. I liked the whole one region back in the day. But like, wasn't motivated to play them again. And they came out of a time where I'm like, I don't need more Pokemon right now. And when Sun and Moon were announced, I was disappointed. And I said this on the shows where I'm like, I don't think 3DS needs another generation of Pokemon.
Starting point is 00:11:56 And this was when the Switch was still in its rumor phase. We still out there. We still called it an NX. Never forget. Exactly. And for me, I'm like, all this news about Nintendo kind of having a fresh restart and going forward on that.
Starting point is 00:12:08 So it felt like a weird backstep for them to have another full generation of Pokemon on the 3DS. But then now that we kind of know everything, I think it makes a little more sense because it's the 3DS. Nintendo needed something this holiday. And they had the NAS classic, but obviously they really misplanned that. So I think Pokemon is the, the thing that they needed to be able to make it through the holiday season.
Starting point is 00:12:29 And I think that it is good enough to do that. Oh, really? So despite my lack of anticipation for the game, playing through it, I was like, man, all the shit that I've been talking about Pokemon and the last couple generations, like I really need to eat my words on them a bit
Starting point is 00:12:45 because Nintendo has been listening. And Sun and Moon is kind of the culmination of a lot of this type of fans' problems with the game. Things like H. taking up move spots for for Pokemon and just kind of getting the way and requiring you to To have Pokemon that are just there in your party for HMs and nothing else They got rid of that because now there's this Pokemon ride feature where you essentially have this pager and you can just Call a Charzard that's not your charzart but it's like uber kind of Charzard comes in picks you up takes you where you need to go calls it a day or
Starting point is 00:13:18 You get on the the Yorkie Pokemon like the big ass one you can like run around and look for other items so you don't need to use the Pocus scope is there surge pricing There's no surge pricing. It's unlimited use. And you get them pretty early on too, which is, which is great because it just feels like this game respects the fact that they know that most people playing it have played Pokemon before. So just cut the bullshit and get you right into it. It's cutting a lot of the bullshit. And it really kind of, there's a lot of features that keep things fresh but familiar.
Starting point is 00:13:48 Yeah. Sometimes too familiar. And I don't think this is the best Pokemon game. But it was just different enough that I'm like, man, I didn't. expect I'd like it as much as I did. And I had a great time. I want to keep playing it. The post game is lacking a little bit, but has some some cool features. And story-wise, they did some things that I thought were really fresh. And there's no gyms in the game. And a lot of this stuff has been out there for a long time, but I haven't been reading about it. Like, I'm calling a Greg
Starting point is 00:14:14 live will, like, top-level look at a headline and make fun of stupid designs or whatever. But that was all the tropical guys. Didn't they do a lot of tropical guys this one on? Yes. There's like, here's a Lola forms. Exactly. Here's a Charzar and a pineapple. and they fucked and now we got this thing. Exactly. And that, to me, was one of those things as it was happening in my eyes, it's totally just pandering to the old school players.
Starting point is 00:14:34 And it is. But I think that that was a smart call. Because in addition to bringing back a lot of fan favorites and new forums, that gave the game a feeling of freshness and familiarity at the same time that I think is really necessary. A big problem with a lot of the other generations of Pokemon
Starting point is 00:14:51 is when you get in, everybody wants to see the ones that they know. Everybody wants to catch the Pikachu and whatever. So then the generations that are just all new ones like Ruby and Sapphire were or like X and Y were, or black and white were, rather, you go in and there's just a whole bunch of new Pokemon that there's a bunch of grumpy people like, great, it's another bird that's not a pigeon. It's another rat that's not a rotata. Like that, it gets kind of annoying. Jobbers. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:21 But they're just clones of the things that aren't quite as good. Whereas this game, I think, does a really good job of giving you the ones you know, but they're different. So the Olola forms, you're still getting Volpix, but now it's ice type instead of fire or whatever. So it's like those type of things are nice. But in addition to that, the game, even from early on, switches up what you expect. So everybody that's played Pokemon knows that you get the Pidgey's and Ratataz early on. In this game, you can catch ghost types. You can catch water types, fire types in the second area of the game.
Starting point is 00:15:52 And I'm like, holy shit, they're really opening this up to be a different type of experience. While still giving us a nice mix of new and old so that it never felt overwhelming with new, like, clones. But it also didn't feel like, great, it's just the same thing over and over that we're used to. Then the biggest change is that there's no gyms. And instead of gyms, there's a thing called the island trial challenge or whatever. So there's four different islands in the game with a couple little side islands. that don't count as full ones. And instead of it being eight badges,
Starting point is 00:16:26 you go out and get and then go to the Elite Four and all that, in this game, each island has a, what's called a cahuna. So they're like kind of the leader of the island. This is all Bill do a big cahuna or they're all the big cahooner? They're all, they're all each the big cahuna of the island. And from them, they have a bunch of other people on their,
Starting point is 00:16:46 their kind of squad. They're like island squad. And you go to each of the squad members. And each one of them represent. to type. So with gym members, there's always been like they have their type and their gym is, this is the rock gym or whatever. For this, it's like, in the island, there'll be the fire trial or the water trial or the ice trial or whatever. And instead of just being a typical thing where you go in battle and whatever, it's always different. So in one, you're like collecting
Starting point is 00:17:09 ingredients to help make a soup or some shit. Another one, you're like doing this like rhythm game style thing for the fire challenge or whatever. And it's all different stuff that ended a fight. But once you beat the fight, instead of getting a badge, you get a Z crystal. And the Z crystals allow you to use the new Z moves that they have, which are essentially final smashes. So in Smash Brothers, you get the smash ball and you can unleash a super move. And this, when you use the Z move, you can use it once per battle. And once you get it from the trial challenges, you can use all the fire type Z powers or
Starting point is 00:17:44 all the normal type Z powers. And you kind of go that way. And it's another new addition. where it's like totally unnecessary, makes the game kind of easy because whenever you're having a troublesome battle, you can always pull out your Z move and it does a lot of damage.
Starting point is 00:17:58 But it was fun to use and it kind of mixes like Power Ranger elements into Pokemon in a way that I really enjoy it. I'm sure you do. I'm sure you do. There's a lot of weird fucking, you know, hand motions and shit. Is it Pidgee doing it?
Starting point is 00:18:10 No, it's you doing it. God, that'd be awesome if you give the... Yeah, no, no, no. Pidgey the bird, of course. Looks like a little pigeon. Yeah. I think you ain't doing that. But I liked it because, again, familiar but different.
Starting point is 00:18:22 It's the same thing. You're still going and fighting people of different types and getting something from them. But the fact that it's not gyms and the fact that you are getting something that's directly affecting your gameplay, felt fun and different and added to the world. And I think that's the biggest compliment I can give the game is that I haven't been as enamored with the world that they built ever. nostalgia aside like this game going into it i was like i don't really care for the hawaii kind of theme that it's going with but it's like it really did feel like like every piece of dialogue whenever lent lent itself to building an atmosphere to this that wasn't the typical like we all
Starting point is 00:19:04 love Pokemon and we all like there's trainers and they they fight and all the stuff but it was more like here's how these Pokemon are like live together and you know do different things within the, the, the, alolan, like, landscape. Like, because we live here, we do things different. Like, it's a vacation spot. Like, even your main character is vacationing from Kanto, which is the place from red and blue. So it's like, every single decision they made is very much geared towards, hey, like, we
Starting point is 00:19:33 get that we've done the same thing a million times. We're going to try to make it different enough to keep it enjoyable. And they did the entire way through. The story was predictable, but different. So that's good. that there is a team rocket-esque thing, but their team skull, and it's a total parody of itself.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Like, they are never seen as a threat. Like, they're just there, and every time they come up, like, two characters will be having a conversation, they come to, like, steal shit, and the two characters, like, literally don't even pay attention to them because, like, they're just that much of a joke. And I liked that because it kind of just gives people a bit more,
Starting point is 00:20:06 the credit that they deserve to be playing these games, that they get it, they know. Having said that, it doesn't go quite far, enough to like totally win me over and like this is an adult Pokemon game because it's it is still a kids game so that is great for the kids you know but it's not big beautiful kids here's what I want to know missed opportunities if these aren't touched on that you Nintendo usually good with the you know localization putting in here we're going to have some kind of funny thing in there right are there any references to a curse teaky idol from the Brady bunch of course I mean there is curse teaky idols yes perfect thank you and then number two is there any reference in any way I don't know how they would do this, but to Dwayne the Rock Johnson, the most famous Hawaiian man ever.
Starting point is 00:20:50 Johnny Sunami is the most famous Hawaiian man. Pretty sure Barack Obama is actually the most famous Hawaiian man ever. Dwayne Johnson was just voted Sexiest Man Alive and is a multiple WWE champion. Barack Obama's matter for eight years and ain't going to matter much longer. First black president and elected a two landslide victories. But the Rock, Colin. The people's champion.
Starting point is 00:21:09 Remember when he was the corporate champion too? Oh man, did he stab us in the back? But then he came back around eventually. Remember that Hulk Hogan match he had? WrestleMania X-7, I believe. That was a fucking... Maybe it was 20, actually. It was X-9.
Starting point is 00:21:20 19. 19. That was a hell of a match set. The only downside, of course, this match, Colin, is the fact that it was Hollywood Hulk Hogan. And then he came back in the red and yellow later on. The handshake, though.
Starting point is 00:21:31 Yeah. Oh, yeah. Great match. That he got invited to the family barbecue at the end of five. Exactly. Yeah, he's in Fast and Furious, too. He's got a new animated film coming out, too. It's got some kind of Simone vibe to it too.
Starting point is 00:21:42 That's enough. Thank you. You're welcome. Anyways, the game's great. Another issue I have with it is that it is unfortunately trapped on the 3DS. And I haven't had too many issues with 3DS games not being able to keep up with stuff. Sure. This game, man.
Starting point is 00:21:55 So they got rid of triple battles. They had an X and Y. And they also got rid of the horde things where a bunch of random wild Pokemon would fight you at once, which I liked because you can get a lot of experience from that quickly. This game, anytime there is more than two Pokemon on screen, holy hell. I have not seen slowdown like this. Chug, chuggy. It's just so chuggy and it's just so shudgy.
Starting point is 00:22:18 What does I tell you? And it's just that, I know, I know. They're playing in some shit with the switch. But there's a battle royale mode is what it's called where there is four trainers each throwing out of a Pokemon and all four of them fight together. And it's kind of like more of a mini game than an actual core piece of the game. And it's cool and it's a fun idea, but it's unplayable because of how chuggy it is. And this game made the decision to have the trainers on screen at all time.
Starting point is 00:22:44 So before we would just see the two Pokemon. Now it's always the trainers with their Pokemon. So there's always four characters, even in a one-on-one match, which I guess aesthetically looks cool. But, like, man, it causes a lot of slowdown. Yeah. And the good news is the chugginess doesn't affect the gameplay because your screen text and stuff still coming up at the same rate. It's just kind of annoying to see, like, camera moves and stuff and, like, them just, like, moving super slow doing moves. It just looks kind of shitty.
Starting point is 00:23:13 Yeah. And also being on the 3DS, like the art style of the game is really good. And Pokemon's always had a real nice aesthetic. And seeing it in 3D, it's really impressive. And the areas are very well thought out. Man, it just looks so smudged. Everything looks so smudged on the 3DS. And it's just like, looking at it, I'm like, man, this is going to look great in HD
Starting point is 00:23:33 when it eventually comes to the switch. We'd hope. But that's another thing. I don't know if this is quite switch caliber. And this, to me, is a great final hurrah for the 3DS. Yeah. I had a great time with it.
Starting point is 00:23:46 I definitely recommend it. I especially recommend it to people that think that they don't need a Pokemon right now. I think you will be surprised. I think you're going to have a good time with it. The Elite Four is handled in a very clever way. I like what they did with that. I'm trying to look at my notes here.
Starting point is 00:24:04 You'll catch more than you expected to catch. Other big issues with the game is that your main character is always smiling. Even when bad things are happening, they didn't think about it. All the other characters are reacting or whatever, but like some horrible shit's going on. He's just fucking smiling.
Starting point is 00:24:19 He's wrong with the punches, man. And it's weird, though, because it's like, there's so much little things that were thought of that it's like, how did you miss that? Because on multiple occasions, I was like, this is really out of place. And it takes me out of it.
Starting point is 00:24:34 Then the Z moves are cool. And again, going back to the little things, that they changed that I thought were good. The HM's being gone is freaking fantastic. TM's being able to be used by all Pokemon. Was introduced a couple of gens ago. I'm happy they kept that.
Starting point is 00:24:49 And there's a new thing where now after you faced a Pokemon at least once, next time you face them, that species on your move list, it'll tell you what's effective and not effective, which is like it's a little too easy because that's the type of stuff you should know. But when you're dealing with the new Alola forms of the classic ones, It was kind of nice to be reminded or like to know for the first time. Oh, okay. It sounds like all the changes they made were to get you to the fun faster and get you,
Starting point is 00:25:16 you know what I mean? Like that information's at your fingertips, I assume without it, right? Exactly. You just have to jump into menus and go dig for it, which would be annoying as hell. Yeah. And Pokemon has always kind of had an issue where they'll add cool features and then take
Starting point is 00:25:26 them out the next gen. Yeah. There'll be some things that never came back. So I'm interested to see next time what they keep and what they get rid of. But this is the most refined Pokemon experience ever. and I don't think that that's always the case. I don't think that each new gen always is. But this does feel very much like the golden silver did to red and blue if X and Y was the red and blue.
Starting point is 00:25:48 Like it's definitely the much better version. It also reminded me the anime in a way that the games never really did. Even yellow version tried to or whatever. But this one, because it's on the island, it reminds me the orange island stuff that happened a long time ago in the show. And the other thing that I want to give a shout out to that was, really cool in the beginning and then just got extremely annoying at the end is instead of horde mode where like those hordes of the wild ones fighting you at once there's a new thing where they were wild Pokemon can call them backup and it's hilarious because you'll you'll be
Starting point is 00:26:22 fighting one and then like they just call their boys to come fucking jump you essentially and uh it was it was kind of neat in the beginning but it gets to a point where there's certain parts in the game where you're fighting like a catarpee like something that doesn't fucking matter and you go to kill it, he calls in reinforcements and another catarpe comes. And instead of it being a bunch at once, it's one at a time. So you can kill one, but then the other one can call in backup. You can get stuck in loops that last like an hour of you just fighting these goddamn catapies. And there's certain times where it's like, if you try to run, you can't, like, it's like, oh, you can't run for whatever reason. They surrounded you. They didn't. Caterpies are inside of you. Nintendo didn't
Starting point is 00:26:58 think it through. Like that, that was the thing where, again, a cool function and feature, but then they just really, really poorly managed it, especially because you can't throw a polka ball at one if there's two out there. So you need to kill one to be able to get the other. And it gets frustrating when you're trying to catch one. They keep calling backups. You have to keep killing this motherfucker. Weird things that I hope they aren't out next time.
Starting point is 00:27:20 But I love the game overall. Love the difference in the little changeups from the gym leaders and stuff. There's like boss Pokemon now. Sometimes you have to fight the Alolan forms of, I'd, at the end of the trial challenges. And that's unique because it felt more like a... This game reminded me of Final Fantasy more than any Pokemon game ever did. So I think that's cool, that they're changing things up to make it a bit more RPG-esque.
Starting point is 00:27:44 But there's a long way until it gets quite there. Hopefully the Switch. We'll bring it to us. Don't say, I don't like... Switch. You can say it while you do it. No, no, no, no. Can we just keep saying the X?
Starting point is 00:27:59 No. That's topic for topic one. Topic two is the Game Awards, 2016. Two weeks away. Two weeks away coming up. It seems like nominations got announced way earlier last year, doesn't it? I thought so too. I was trying to do a little research on last year's games cast of when we did this topic, the predictions.
Starting point is 00:28:21 And it seemed like it was about two weeks away as well. I think that might have been us, though, just us being lazy. Or getting closer to the show. But anyways, it doesn't matter. Live show coming up the game award. Happening December 1st at the Microsoft Theater in Los Angeles. The event will be live streamed on a wide variety of platforms. You can expect where to find them pretty much everywhere.
Starting point is 00:28:37 Set to begin at 8.30 p.m. for the pre-show with the event itself at 9 p.m. We can expect to see some world premieres of some stuff. World premiere. Some awards will be given away. There'll probably be some musical segments of some sorts. A panel of judges from 29 international publications selected the nominees for the game awards, including us. So that was really cool.
Starting point is 00:28:58 Shout out to Jeff Keeley. Thank you, Jeff Keeley, for recognizing it kind of funny. I was one of 20. I was looking through the list. I'm like, huh, it's cool. We made it.
Starting point is 00:29:05 Yeah. Because there's a lot of other people that are like way bigger than us and way more important. Don't tell anybody. People think we're a bigger deal than we are. So I don't think it. So really cool.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Then they also had eight e-sports focused outlets assist in the selection of winners for those things, which is a good call because we all would have been like, I don't know. I don't know. Bring it to Team Infinity, whoever the hell they are. Then games had to be released commercially on or before November 24th, 2016 in order to be eligible.
Starting point is 00:29:31 So that means no Final Fantasy 15, Dead Rising 4, or The Last Guardian. So what I want to do, go through the nominees and kind of give our predictions for what we think are going to win the game awards. Sure. So this isn't necessarily what we want to win. It's our predictions for what will win. Okay. Do we want to decide what we want to win? We can do that too.
Starting point is 00:29:53 Okay. Because I think we have to vote on these eventually, right? We nominated them as the pool of people. And now we still have to actually vote on what we're doing. And I don't think it's some kind of secret ballot initiative where we go, I'm not, you know, Jeff hasn't said, hey, you got to go into this booth here and punch the ticket. Yeah, I guess you're right. We should probably do that now. I'm going to get a piece of paper. Okay. Cool.
Starting point is 00:30:11 Yeah. So for you guys that are interested, the nomination process was pretty simple. Each category, we got to nominate five different games or people or whatever. And we made a spreadsheet, Colin, Greg and I each put down what we thought was there and what we thought deserved to be there with our name next to. it and whatever all three of us had would be ranked one pick, two of us would be ranked two pick, one of us would be next and go from there. There wasn't too much things that were in question. We agreed, I think, on most stuff. There was a couple scenarios where we had maybe seven nominations for some categories,
Starting point is 00:30:50 but we figured that stuff out pretty easily. Let's start with the big one. Game of the year. For a game that delivers the absolute best experience across all crows. creative and technical fields. Doom fromid software and Bethesda softworks. Inside from Playdead. Overwatch from Blizzard Entertainment.
Starting point is 00:31:12 Titanfall 2 by respawn entertainment. Lull, come on. And Uncharted 4. A Thieves end by Not a Dog. I would vote Uncharted 4 because it's the one I enjoyed the most on there. I would predict. I can easily see Uncharted doing it, but I would predict.
Starting point is 00:31:36 Dick inside. Really? I think inside's that kind of that indie darling. I think inside caught a lot of people off guard. I think it's one of those where I know I didn't. I was in added at the ending, right? That's my only complaint with it. When we did that review,
Starting point is 00:31:49 it was totally just like, it's awesome and this is great. And the way it's timed out is amazing. And the art style is great. And I loved how, you know what I mean? Like there's something super special about that. And I could see that catching enough judges off guard,
Starting point is 00:31:58 if you will, that that would take it. Because it's the same problem with every sequel to an amazing thing. Everybody expects uncharted four to be awesome. So Uncharted of four was awesome. Now, granted, Inside's not, you know, their first game. Go-round, of course, is played at. But I think it was a step up enough that I think that could be a possible thing.
Starting point is 00:32:14 Hmm. Hmm. That's interesting. I mean, Insides definitely in my in my top three games of the year. I don't think I'd vote it for number one. Again, I'm not voting it. Yeah, yeah. But even predicting. I mean, that's, I can see that. That makes sense because a lot of the publications did love that game.
Starting point is 00:32:31 I think my, my vote would be overwhelmed. I think Overwatch is the game of the year but that's a really good point too in terms of Those people voting for it. I don't know I think it's I think it's between overwatch and inside But I think overwatch gets the nod on that I don't think uncharted gets it So you're predicting overwatch? Yes I think overwatch will win I think that inside is the best game of the year out of that list so I would personally vote inside but I would I would I would assume
Starting point is 00:33:08 that Overwatch will win. Yeah. Okay. I mean, this I'm sure will have many Game of the Year conversations later towards the end of the year. But for me,
Starting point is 00:33:15 Overwatch is the game of the year overall. Like when you really think about it, like 2016, that game is the gift that keeps on giving. And it, well, Uncharted 4,
Starting point is 00:33:25 great. Overwatch is something new. Even if that's something new is just, oh, it's another shooting game. Sure. But it's not just another shooting game. Like the cast of characters,
Starting point is 00:33:33 the fan base, and the gameplay of it. That's going to be a game that people are playing for years. years to come. I was going to say the community I think is a huge part of that and why the game is something special and different. And it was designed around having, um, having that, having community, having cosplayers and having like a story to it and like a world that is ever evolving. And for, uh, a multiplayer only game, I think that it's really successful in having a story.
Starting point is 00:33:56 So I'd give it to, to Overwatch. But yeah, I mean, all these games are great. Um, what else do we got there? I put a vote in, but I mean, we don't have to decide on a vote if we're all split already. Oh. We can keep talking Yeah, we can keep talking. Let's just do predictions. Let's do predictions. So right now then, for Game of the Year, Game Awards, I predict inside you both, inside you both predict Overwatch. Yes.
Starting point is 00:34:20 And I think that's a pretty safe pick as well. Best game direction. Recognizing a game studio for outstanding creative vision, game direction, and design. It's an incredibly redundant category by the way, since it's the same five studios that made these five games, isn't it? Blizzard Entertainment for Overwatch.
Starting point is 00:34:36 EA dice for Battlefield 1. Okay, so that's different. It's software for Doom, Nottie Dog for Uncharted 4. Respond Entertainment for Ty and Fall 2. So who's missing? No inside. They didn't put Play that in there. What was their definition of game direction?
Starting point is 00:34:50 Recognizing a game studio for outstanding creative vision, game direction, and design. See, it's hard. Again, I'd give this to Overwatch for everything I just said. It's hard, though, because with, I think that Uncharted and Nottie Dog are, it's, they're so amazing that, it's kind of easy to look at them as the, well, duh, those are good. Yeah. In the same way that I'd say that about things like battlefields or Tydenfall where it's just like, we expect it from it.
Starting point is 00:35:22 So it's less impressive. My thing is I think Uncharted wins this one. And I think the voting populace, the answer is because they don't give a game of the year. Yep. But they can give it this. They tied together the whole series. They tied together how great it was.
Starting point is 00:35:34 They played on your emotions from what happened in one, two, three, and a little bit of golden abyss. They tied up so nicely. what an amazing ending. I think that's the way they get. And obviously the gameplay when charted is amazing. Yeah. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:35:45 it's, um, uncharted has the most nominations by far out of any other game. Yeah, but it's really going to, I think, clean up when you get lower end of the thing, right?
Starting point is 00:35:53 When you're talking about performances and stuff? Colin, what is your prediction for game direction? I say, Nottie Dog, I think probably. I would vote for PlayDett if they were nominated. But that's not here.
Starting point is 00:36:04 I mean, I think PlayDett is, I'm really surprised by that specifically because I think inside is, leaps and bounds and design ahead of everything I played this year. And that's not an insult on other great design games I played this year. But I was so astonished by how good inside was that, you know, it resonated me with a lot more than another uncharted game.
Starting point is 00:36:23 And I'm not insulting them at all, but I didn't see anything uncharted for really where, on a personal level of, I'm like, this is leaps and bounds ahead of what they did with the trilogy. I don't think that there's anything there that that's the case. But I do think that it will win. And that's again, this is the confusing thing is that I don't think they deserve to win. I just think that.
Starting point is 00:36:39 Well, actually out of that group, it would be between Blizzard and Nottie Dog, I think, for me. Clearly, Blizzard has the special sauce with whatever they're doing, you know. We got it? Yeah. You are Blizz, Overwatch, we're uncharted for us. Awesome.
Starting point is 00:36:56 Surprise, surprise. Best narrative for outstanding storytelling and narrative development in a game. Firewatch from Campo Santo. Inside from Play Dead. Mafia 3 from Hangar 13 slash 2K games Oxenfree from Night School Studio and Uncharted 4 from Noti Dogg
Starting point is 00:37:15 I would say inside tells an amazing story with no words no text and it leaves it open to interpretation which I think is really cool too I think it should win and I think it will win so that's my pick This one's tough because you gotta be a betting man here
Starting point is 00:37:40 That's how predictions work You put your money on the line here And so I want to go against my own personal beliefs. And I think Oxenfree has a shot here. Because I think, again, it's a game people are going to want to reward, but maybe not. I mean, obviously, it hasn't gotten not so far in the other categories. But here it pops up and it is the story that it's a game that, you know, for I thought, missed on certain levels. You want to replay again.
Starting point is 00:38:03 You want to go back and make the other choices. You want to see how all of the threads come together in different ways and see the different endings. And what happens if they end up together and what happens if they don't? What happens if I say this in the dream state ghost world? or whatever. I think that's something that a lot of critics really fell in love with and I think spoke to a lot of people. I have to, I want to just say here, I mean, we're kind of down the rabbit hole too far to go back now, but what is the value in predicting who's going to win as opposed to this saying who do you want to win? You know, that this is a good, this is going to,
Starting point is 00:38:30 this is going to, this is going to, this is going to confuse people. I'm just throwing out there right now. Well, I feel like we're saying both of our answers as we go, right? Yeah, I guess. So, um, yeah, okay. Tim, what's your prediction? I loved Firewatch. I loved its story, but it's not the best. Between Inside and Uncharted for me. Uncharted, I'd say, is my favorite of it, but I'm going to give it to Inside. Okay.
Starting point is 00:39:00 I think it's deserved as well. That's what you'd vote for as well? Yeah. Met Stories. I mean, narrative, I would. What a great game. Narrative I would vote for uncharted for personally. Cool.
Starting point is 00:39:14 Best art direction for outstanding creative and technical achievement in artistic design and animation. Abzu from Giant Squid and 505 games. Firewatch from Campo Santo. Inside from Play Dead. Overwatch from Blizzard and Uncharted 4 from Noddy Dog. This one for me is really hard because I wouldn't give it to Uncharted 4. Wouldn't give it to Abzu.
Starting point is 00:39:43 Firewatch was one of those ones where it's like if you were to tell me or like late last year that I wouldn't be voting for Firewatch for Best Art Direction this year, I'd say, you're crazy. Yeah. Because that game, all we knew about it was that its art was amazing. And even playing through it, like it definitely,
Starting point is 00:39:57 all that stuff, they fucking nail. But inside, man, inside and Overwatch. But again, like with Overwatch, all,
Starting point is 00:40:04 I feel like they win the other ones more than this. But I gave it to Inside and the inside wins. I think it comes down to Inside versus Firewatch. And I think it's another situation of, some people are going to be voting so much for Inside and other categories. They'd get here and go Firewatch. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:19 I think it's between inside and, uncharted. Because we're talking about art direction and all of that as well. I mean, uncharted is a masterpiece in terms of the way it looks. But I think inside is clearly the winner. In that respect, I mean, it's just so unique,
Starting point is 00:40:35 it's so interesting, the animation. The thought into all the ways you die, all the ways you can interact with the world, there's nothing just animated. As I said, when we were reviewing it or talking about it a lot when it came out. I just don't feel like anything there exists just to exist.
Starting point is 00:40:48 And I think that that's really cool and a lot of that goes to the art direction. I think it sides clearly the winner. I think that a piggyback count for what you said. The fact that animation is mentioned in this, I think is going to boost inside a lot because the animation in that game is so next level. Don't even wrong.
Starting point is 00:41:02 Again, I'm predicting Firewatch. My pick, if I was voting, would be inside. Cool. And what are you predicting to me? I'm going inside. You're predicting inside? And that's where you'd come down personally anyway? Yes.
Starting point is 00:41:14 Both. That's a unanimous win then in terms of our votes for our direction. Cool. Music slash sound design. It's an interesting category. For outstanding audio inclusive of score, original song, licensed soundtrack, and sound design. It's weird because it's like those are two totally different teams of people working on this stuff.
Starting point is 00:41:38 But it's, I get that like they're maybe not worth its own category otherwise. Battlefield 1 from Dice, Doom from Id, inside from Play Dead, Res Infinite from Enhanced Games, or Thumper from Drul. Thumper was the one that I left off and I forgot about when we did our nominations. I would have definitely put that in there. Man, it's hard. Inside was very well sound designed, but I don't give it to it here. I feel like Rez and Thumper are the games out there.
Starting point is 00:42:16 The shout sound to me. But then I also feel like did enough people play them to feel comfortable in it. Battlefield, of course, has the entire. Battlefield 1 has, of course, there's tank noises in V-O and explosions and this and bullets whizzing past your head going for it as well. But I think that when people think about this, they don't think about those things.
Starting point is 00:42:35 Sure. You know, it's like when you're thinking about the winners of this, it's similar to your argument for Firewatch. Like people are going to think Firewatch because when you think art design, you don't think Uncharted, you think Firewatch. So when you think sound design, you think Res.
Starting point is 00:42:47 My thing is Thumper would win if more people played it. I don't know if enough people played it to get it. Doom is also, I think, an easy, an easy answer. True. Because it does have that sound aesthetic to it. Right, right. Shit.
Starting point is 00:43:03 I would say the Thumper probably for... That's your prediction? Yeah. I'm gonna go Rez. Timmy. Thumper's my vote. I'm gonna go... I'm gonna go...
Starting point is 00:43:17 Okay. Next category. Best performance. Awarded to an individual for voice overacting motion and slash... or performance capture. Alex Hernandez as Lincoln Clay in Mafia 3. Sissy Jones is Delilah in Firewatch.
Starting point is 00:43:36 Emily Rose is Elena in Uncharted 4. Nolan North as Nathan Drake in Uncharted 4. Rich Sommer as Henry in Firewatch or Troy Baker as Sam in Uncharted 4. I think you give it to Nolan this year. Final Nathan Drake go around. It's the culmination of the Incharted franchise. That means a lot.
Starting point is 00:43:56 I don't know if it should necessarily in terms of performances. All these performances were great from what I saw. The ones you listed, I think Lincoln Clay is the one I know the least from the mafia. But I've heard nothing but good things about it. Yeah. I think Nolan does get a run for his money from the Firewatch cast. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:13 Yeah. Yeah, that's the only, the thing going into this, I can see people voting for the Firewatch people because the other, the uncharted guys and lady have gotten talked about for a many years. But I'm trying to think back if Nolan North's ever won. a performance game award before. Not that this is like the Oscars where there's like somebody doing deep, deep stats on this stuff or whatever.
Starting point is 00:44:37 Like there's a Leonhard de Caprio. Con, where are you weighing down on this one? I think Drake wins. I know North. I think he should and I think he will. That's kind of where I stand. Tim Tam. Hmm.
Starting point is 00:44:53 The nation turns its size to you. I'm down with that. That's solid to me. Is that who you'd vote for? I go both for Nolan, yeah. Granted, I think all these people did amazing. 100%? Except I'm not familiar with Mafia 3, but besides that, all these are great choices.
Starting point is 00:45:15 Next category. What are you? Timothy. Oh, yeah, no, I'm sorry. I led with that. Nolan and Nolan, yeah. Great. Games for Impact, honoring exemplary games that take on real world issues and advocate for social change.
Starting point is 00:45:28 1979 Revolution Black Friday from Ink Stories. Blockhood from Plethora Project slash Devolver Digital. Orwell from Osmotic Studio slash surprise attack. See Hero Quest. from glitchers and that dragon cancer from numinose games. I have no idea. I have no idea. Any of those.
Starting point is 00:45:49 Here's the thing is that before we vote, I want to make sure we go. And I mean, not here. Before we vote, really. And I'm pretty sure we have to vote. So I want to go back because, yeah, the only one I've played is that dragon cancer. However, it would, it's my prediction pick. I'm not going to make a vote, obviously. It's my prediction to win as well based on the same thing that everyone knows about that game.
Starting point is 00:46:05 Yeah. And not knows about it. Like maybe you know everything about it, but you should have heard about it. I mean, we did a let's play. I mean, it's of the impact games here. It seems like the one of the biggest profile. There's a, you know, the documentary about it or whatever. And it was on, um, uh, not this American life, but one of those podcasts, not the
Starting point is 00:46:22 mafia either, I forget. But like there's been coverage about this. You understand that it's about this, you know, father's journey through his son's cancer and how that all work together. I think there's enough of that resonating that that's going to win. Cool. Yeah, sounds. I buy that too.
Starting point is 00:46:40 Best independent game for outstanding achievement in a game. For outstanding achievement in a game made outside the traditional publisher system. Firewatch by Campo Santo. Hyperlight Drifter from Heart Machine. Inside from Play Dead. Stardue Valley from Concerned Ape. The Witness by Thecla Inc. What is the thing again?
Starting point is 00:46:57 Best independent game. I hate that category. I mean inside. Inside. I think for both the game that will win and the game that should win. I think my vote would be inside. I worry about Starter Valley or the witness.
Starting point is 00:47:15 Or the witness, that is a good point too. Both of those could win it, but I still give it to inside. Unless inside wins the other ones, though. It's not going to matter because no one's going to know how the vote went. It's not like you're waiting for the answer to the first question before you answer the second question.
Starting point is 00:47:31 Sure, but you figure if you're voting, you get to this one and this is Starty Valley's only time out there. You know how important that game was this year. Do you give it its one knot here? I hope not. I hate why if people vote like that. stupid. You know, if like one or two games sweep everything. Then they were the best games of the year. No, I'm with you. Don't get me wrong. But this is the fun. This is, you're asking,
Starting point is 00:47:48 why are we predicting? I think this is the fun part of trying to get ahead of how it's going to go. I'm going to say inside as well, though. All right. Best mobile slash handheld game for the best game playable on mobile phones and dedicated gaming handhelds. Can you believe we've gotten to this point, Colin? Those are together. Clash Royale from Supercell. Fire emblem fates by intelligent systems. Monster Hunter Generations by Capcom. Pokemon Go by the Antic Labs and Severed by Drinkbox Studios. I will say,
Starting point is 00:48:21 I did not nominate Pokemon Sunder Moon because I didn't play it yet. I think that that game got fucked because of the timing of when it came out. It's too close to the cutoff date. And so, yeah, it's not even there. Personal pick here is severed. I just want to get that out there in front. I think Severid's an amazing game. It would be,
Starting point is 00:48:39 I think when we get to our game of the year, stuff, it'll come up a little bit more than it comes up here. But it's sad that I don't think enough people played sever to sit there and be like, yeah, no, that was something cool. That was something special. When's the last time you played a first person dungeon crawler, right? That was really, really, really fun and enjoyable and as beautiful as this art was and just a different experience. I don't know. Um, this is the big question, right? Like, what do you do with Pokemon Go? Yeah. It was, it was, it was an experience, a movement. It was everywhere, normal people where don't play games are out there talking about it
Starting point is 00:49:13 and playing it in the middle of the night, wandering around, doing gym battles, interacting with strangers. Like, there were these things. Does that overcome the fact that it was, as popular as it was at the time,
Starting point is 00:49:22 that popular was a flash in the pan, and that it was broken as fuck. Yeah, I mean, I still give it to it. I give both my vote, and I think it wins to Pokemon Go. Fireman Fates is definitely
Starting point is 00:49:33 one of my favorite games of the year for sure. But despite that, I mean, Pokemon Go did something so different, and it did it well, even though it was broken. despite it being broken, people still enjoyed it so much. And I think that that it's the amount of people that enjoyed it, the amount that they did is a testament to the quality of the experience, less the game.
Starting point is 00:49:53 But the game was just a means to the end. Sorry, I gave it to Pokemon Go. Colin? I think Severd should win, but I think that Pokemon Go will win. And perhaps deserve itly. Yeah, I'm putting Pokemon Go there too. Best VR game For the best game experience
Starting point is 00:50:15 Playable in virtual reality Batman, Arkham VR From Rock Steady Studios and Warner Bros. Interactive Eve Valky from CCP games Job Simulator From Alchemy Labs Res Infinite from Enhanced Games and Thumper From drool
Starting point is 00:50:30 Batman will win I think that Out of the games I mean I like Batman I think job simulator is awesome I would give it the job me later. But I think that Batman's clearly
Starting point is 00:50:45 going to win. Out of these, like Thumper's my favorite, but I think that my vote and what I think will win is Batman Ark and VR. Because in terms of best experience, that's the one I want to show people for the first time. Like that's the thing that I'm like,
Starting point is 00:51:01 this is going to blow you away. It's one of the, and that's the thing. Res has that power to and that's also like not to disparage anything. a real game like right where you're putting it on you're playing and doing your movement all that stuff and it's also a callback to what it was but yeah
Starting point is 00:51:19 Batman has been my one from the get-go and I would think yeah that probably wins it and again I think that's one little yeah that's what I would vote for. Res was underwhelming to me. Thumper was amazing I really love Thumper but I don't think it it wins out over Batman.
Starting point is 00:51:35 Best action game for the best game experience focused around first or third person combat Battlefield 1 Doom, Gears of War 4, Overwatch, Titanfall 2. I would pick Battlefield. I think Doom will win, which is totally reasonable
Starting point is 00:51:56 to me as well. Yeah, for me, it would be Doom is going to win. I don't know if I have enough thoughts on these games because they're not ones that spoke to me, and as we've talked about in this show many times, I'm not the shooter expert, so I don't know if I have a strong vote opinion anyway. I'd vote Overwatch, but Doom wins.
Starting point is 00:52:15 I think. Best action adventure game for the best game experience that combines combat with reversal and puzzle solving. Dishonored 2. Hitman. Hyperlight Drifter. Ratcheting Clank. Uncharted 4.
Starting point is 00:52:31 Hmm. Can you name him again? Dishonor 2. Hitman. Hyper light drifter. Ratcheting clank. Uncharted 4. Uncharted will win.
Starting point is 00:52:44 I think Ratchet probably should win since we're talking about the action portion of the game. I just don't, if we're emphasizing the action, I mean, Ration and Clank. I know, but I hate that term.
Starting point is 00:52:56 The term doesn't mean anything. Like, every game is an adventure. I mean, an adventure game is something specific. I just, I don't, I don't like that term.
Starting point is 00:53:04 In terms of action, it's an act, you know, I think Ratchet and Clank is mechanically the better game. And I'm not really playing uncharted for its action. Well, so with that,
Starting point is 00:53:14 like the last topic was best action game, which is for the best game experience focused around first or third person combat, which rather, I kind of falls into. Best Action Adventures for the best game experience that combines combat with Traversal and puzzle solving. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:27 Well, okay, yeah. I guess maybe on Charter, then I would have to win that one. I would say Uncharted will win and should win, based on that nomenclature. Yeah, I'm on Charter 4 and Uncharted 4. Me too. Okay.
Starting point is 00:53:40 God damn. I love Ratchet, though. Ratchett. Well, it gets nominated. It's getting another nod. It's getting another nod. offline and online, including massively multiplayer. Dark Souls 3.
Starting point is 00:53:56 Deasex, Mankind, divided. The Witcher 3, Wild Hunt, Blood and Wine. World of Warcraft, Legion, or ZenoBlade Chronicles X. I'm going to play any of these. So I can't speak to that. Yeah, I can't. Give me, I'm sorry, what was the first two again? Dark Souls 3.
Starting point is 00:54:12 Yeah. Deasex, mankind, divided. Gotcha. Yeah, I mean, I'm just guessing who's going to win, obviously, since I didn't get into the weeds on these games. Nick's played a lot of the DeSX. I think Dark Souls 3. I think Dark Souls 3.
Starting point is 00:54:24 Give it a chance. You got to even Dark Souls something. Yeah, I think Dark Souls will win. I don't have a, I don't know, because I didn't play any of them. Interesting to see the Witcherx match on there. Cool. Not against it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:35 It was definitely media, no. Best fighting game for a game designed primarily around head-to-head combat. Killer Instick Season 3. The King of Fighters 14. Poken tournament or Street Fighter 5. Don't got much to add here. Yeah, no. I would vote Poken.
Starting point is 00:54:49 Enjoyed it a lot. Is that who you think he's going to win? In terms of who wins, fuck, I don't even know. Yeah, there's a, yeah, if there's in a fighting game,
Starting point is 00:54:58 dorks on there. I mean, it can't be Street Fighter 5. It seems like killer instinct would be the one that would win on that list. King of fighters, I don't think people are really
Starting point is 00:55:10 that warm about. I remember Vince saying that it's like every other game, people like, um, I'm gonna vote poking. You're saying poking? Yeah,
Starting point is 00:55:18 why not? Okay. What did you say, call? I think killer instinct wins. Okay. That's the only game on that list that I has pretty much universal for is as far as I'm concerned. And that people actually play.
Starting point is 00:55:32 Yeah, my only reason I'd vote for Poken is I think that that is a game that even people that aren't fighting game fans did play. Like to review and to talk about. So maybe that gets some sort of nod. Best strategy game. Best game focused on real time or turn-based strategy. Siv 6. Fire emblem Fates. The Banner Saga 2.
Starting point is 00:55:52 Total War Warhammer or X-com 2. I didn't play enough of them. I would just vote Siv6 because that's the only one I played and I love Civilization. I think Xcom will win because there's so many nerds that love Xcom out there.
Starting point is 00:56:05 See, I think, don't get wrong, those are the two that I see actually going head to head with. I'm going to say SIV wins. And I think that based on what I know and I like XCOM won a lot
Starting point is 00:56:15 and what I did for the background research for Siv when I did that interview series for 2K, I would vote for that too. It seems like they put a lot into that. And it's Siv. I would vote for Fire and Mumfayets because I loved it, but I think that Xcom 2 wins. Okay. Best family game.
Starting point is 00:56:34 Best game for family play, including toys to life, rhythm slash music slash dance, and other genres, Dragon Quest Builders, Lego, Lego Star Wars, the Force Awakens, Pokemon Go, Ratchen, Skylanders, Imagineators. This is where I think you give it to Ratchet. That's my vote. My vote would be Pokemon Go, but I think you give it to Ratchet as well. I think Pokemon Go will win But I think that Ratchet should win You hang on there?
Starting point is 00:57:06 Yeah Best Sports slash racing game for traditional And non-traditional sports and racing games FIFA 17 Forsa Horizon 3 MLB the show 16 or NBA 2K17 Or Pro Evolution Soccer NBA will
Starting point is 00:57:18 Will win and should win Just based on how I know people feel That all of those games I know some of those people have FIFA And all these games But NBA 2K is considered a pretty immaculate Sports franchise Agreed
Starting point is 00:57:29 I'm with that too Best Multiplayer for outstanding online multiplayer gameplay and design including co-op and massively multiplayer experiences Battlefield 1, Gears of War 4, overcooked,
Starting point is 00:57:39 Overwatch, Titanfall 2, Tom Clancy's Rainbow 6 siege. Can you give it to me one more time? Sorry, I was flip my page. Battlefield 1, Gears of War 4, overcooked,
Starting point is 00:57:50 Overwatch, Titanfall 2, Rainbow 6 siege. I think it's Overwatch, and I think I would have voted for overcooked. Yeah, yeah, I'm the same.
Starting point is 00:58:00 Me too. Most anticipated game, an upcoming game that has shown significant ambition and promise in moving the gaming medium forward. God of war. Horizon Zero Dawn, Mass Effect Andromeda, Red Dead 2, the legend of Zelda, Breath of the Wild. I think Red Dead 2 wins this. I'd be disappointed if some of these games like Mass Effect and Red Dead 1, consider we haven't seen a fucking goddamn thing from them. Remember last year, no man sky one? Yeah, which is absurd.
Starting point is 00:58:33 I would give it to Horizon. And I think Horizon should win. Will it win? I don't know. People probably vote Red Dead. I don't know. You're voting for that based on like two seconds of footage. But yeah, I would give it to Horizon. We've seen the most of that game.
Starting point is 00:58:49 Yeah. No, don't go wrong. I think that's my personal vote. And I think Horizon actually has a really good shot at it. But I think it is the sticker shock of Red Dead. I go Zelda for both. Trending Gamer. For a notable influencer, online streamer,
Starting point is 00:59:06 or media personality in 2016. Angry Joe, Boogie 2988, Danny O'Dwire, Jack Septuai, or lyric. My personal vote is Danny, and I love Boogie, and I enjoy Joe's content. And Jack Septychi,
Starting point is 00:59:21 also an awesome human being. Yes. I think Danny, my vote is Danny, my prediction is Danny, but it needs to be, it needs to be like it was for me where no one else
Starting point is 00:59:31 motivates their audience. That's the big thing. Whereas I don't know, we were in a special place last year, kind of funny, where we just broke down our own, we had all these headlines. It was, so when I did it, it was still for our audience, this thing of like,
Starting point is 00:59:43 we're on the ground floor. We're a win for Greg and kind of funny is a win for us. And I think what's interesting about this one is Danny's in a similar spot. I don't think he has the community like we have in terms of like the best friends are speaking all these people. But I do think that everyone looks at him as like, holy shit, you left and you're not just kind of doing what you were doing before. I mean, he is, but he's doing something super special and unique in these documentaries.
Starting point is 01:00:04 Even his Patreon's super unique, right? of like the money you're giving me is immediately going back into these projects when we're going out and we're buying airplane tickets and we're this is not we're not using advertisers we're not doing that. I think that message resonates in terms of the trend in what's different and who's made an impact. Yes. But I do think that if Jack wants to say oh hey, everybody vote for me, it's fucking over. Because it's South by Southwest like that last year when I was up for that other award or this year. That was the first time I met Jack and really saw his his audience where you know I was always funny where game wars last year I think
Starting point is 01:00:35 think people, even my friends that I was meeting there, like, oh, cool, are you covering? I'm like, no, I'm nominated. And like, oh, who are you against? I'm like, oh, PewDiePye. And I was like, oh, well, it's cool just to be nominated. They didn't think I could win it. And then when I did win it, I was like, oh, that was awesome. And the crowd actually cheered for me. Like, I thought nobody would clap for me. You know, they'd all be excited for the other guys. And then when we got to South by Southwest, when the pre-show was out there, they were like, I know you're all just here to see Jack Septych. And the place went fucking crazy. And I was like, uh-oh, these aren't, these aren't our people. These are not my people.
Starting point is 01:01:02 And sure enough, it was what I thought Game Wars is going to be, where they went through nominees. And when they got to Greg Miller, it was like, who? I was like, all right, cool. And then I got up there and whenever I was like, what the fuck? Like, if Jack wants to, he could win. Yeah, and I totally agree with you. I think that Danny, Danny's my votes. And like you said, I love Boogie as well.
Starting point is 01:01:20 But I think that for Danny to win, Danny needs all of you guys to go vote for him and to be motivated to do that. I think Danny has a really good thing going for him that he has our audience and giant bombs. audience. And uniting both of those fronts to vote for him, I feel like we got a really good shot at that. I love Boogie, but I feel like we need to make a choice and we need to support one person. And I mean, again, to be clear on what we're talking about here, I think, you know, I love Boogie too.
Starting point is 01:01:46 We've, boogie's been one of our biggest supporters, period. Yeah. Great dude. But Boogie's been, is doing the same thing in a way, right? Like, you know what I mean? And that's the thing is like, I was seeing a lot of feedback on on the internet. I was like, well, I don't even know who Danny is. He's not trending or whatever.
Starting point is 01:01:58 And it's like, yeah, it's not about that though. It's like, he's doing something. that should be. He is setting the trend. It's not trending in terms of like how popular you are. It's you are changing the trend of how gaming media is. Yeah. So our vote is definitely there. I hope you guys is as well. And the thing here, you were going up against Markiplier and PewDie Pie, which those are like top dog dudes. Yeah. And that that was always scary, but they never motivated their audience. Jack Septu guy, a little worried about it. He is the type of guy that motivates because Jack has an audience and talks to his audience and that's a big thing. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:30 Do you think you're predicting Jack then? Who's your prediction? I love a good underdog story. That's why I got Danny's right. Yeah, I'm voting for Danny. I predict Jack because I do think that he will motivate them. But I hope that that motivates you guys to prove me wrong. Mr. Moriarty?
Starting point is 01:02:48 I think Boogie should win. I like him. I like Danny too. And I've heard good things about you. I don't know who the fuck the other two people are. And I'm sure that they're way bigger than us. So I'm not insulting anyone. I like Boogie. I think he's friendly. I think he tries to put a lot of positivity out there.
Starting point is 01:03:03 I think he's kind of a unique gentleman and I think he's paid his dues and I think that Boogie should win. And I know personally he's had my back before and I appreciate that as well. But who do I predict will win? I can't imagine Danny winning simply because I just know and cursorily kind of looking up these two last names lyric and Jacks have the guy that they're huge people. So again, it's just like the reason, and we make fun of you, but it's true. the reason that you won over those other two people that bigger people was because they were just complacent didn't care. Yeah. And so the second that one of these people cares over, you know,
Starting point is 01:03:36 because Danny doesn't have your poll. And, you know, so I, who do I? I don't know. I would defer to Tim on this. And he says Jackson win, then I would assume Jack will win to. But I just can't imagine that it's going to be Danny. Even though I saw Danny win,
Starting point is 01:03:48 and he's a friend of ours, I would be totally happy with that. But I'm going to say, boogie. I would encourage people to vote for buggy. He's just, he's just like. Are we to the e-sports one now? Nice guy. So now, yeah, we're going to have a bunch of sense. Not that the others aren't.
Starting point is 01:04:01 Just to run through. Don't think we need to even really talk about these. Best fan creation. Yeah, it's like Project 8-2MR, Pokemon Uranium, Brutal Doom 64, and drill, the Shards of Order. Great, people really like them. Esports players, there's a whole bunch of people. I can't.
Starting point is 01:04:15 Although I do want to give a shout to Hungry Box, who play Smash Bros. He's fucking awesome. Best E-sports team, no idea. Best E-sports game. Counter-Strike, Global Offense, Dota 2, League of Legends, Overwatch, Street Fighter 5. Clearly, I think it's Overwatch.
Starting point is 01:04:28 Just drop a nuclear bomb on that list of games. Whoa! Just do it. There we go. Do it. And that's the game awards. December 1st. Cool.
Starting point is 01:04:35 We will be doing a E3 style thing where we. Pre-show live reaction post show? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And that should be fun. It should be. Excited to see what trailers are there. Yeah, no, 100%.
Starting point is 01:04:49 It's weird this year. Usually we kind of have an idea of what could be shown there. Well, this will be the debut of Mass Effect gameplay. They said that already. I mean, I say debut loosely because they should do stuff at E3, but it'll be a world premiere gameplay there. it seems like with that the telltale is it
Starting point is 01:05:04 not guardians thing people were predicting that would be there but I don't know if the game's affected by the strike and that's how it leaked is that something they want to promote yet or they want to figure that odd I don't know how that shakes out and that's the other thing too if you haven't heard anything about Walking Dead
Starting point is 01:05:17 Season 3 by then I'd imagine that would be the one you'd come out because you'll have you debut the trailer then and it's available Tuesday or whatever okay Topic three Super Mario Run and various Nintendo Switch.
Starting point is 01:05:31 There's a lot has been going on. Man, so, okay, Super Mario Run. The first ever mobile game featuring the most iconic video game here of all time goes on sale for iPhone and iPad on December 15th in the United States. Super Mario Run can be downloaded from the app store at no cost, and players can try elements of the game's three modes for free. Once the game's been downloaded, a one-time payment of 99 will grant unlimited access to each of the three modes.
Starting point is 01:05:55 It's going to be on iPhone, iPad, all the iOS devices, eventually on Android. It's going to launch in 151 countries and regions on December 15th. And Sumario runs, supports English, Japanese, a whole bunch of other languages. The three modes, there's the main mode. There's Toad Rally, which is the competitive score attack mode with endless stages, requires tickets to play, which are unlocked by clearing stages in the main mode. And the Mushroom Kingdom mode, which lets you make your own little kingdom, which seems to give you other bonus mini games.
Starting point is 01:06:24 I expect they're going to add a whole bunch of DLC and events and stuff. Sure, of Halloween. There'll be ghost houses. and all that stuff. I believe they're boo houses. What do you guys think about this? It's great that they're charging that much. I think the mobile market's largely a piece of shit.
Starting point is 01:06:41 And I've said this before, and I'll say it again, I think these games undercut each other. The race to the bottom has been destructive to video games that's seeping into other parts of games that I actually give a fuck about. So I find great offense to that, and I think a lot of core gamers do. So to see Nintendo step in and say,
Starting point is 01:06:54 like, we have a premium product and we're going to charge $10 for it, which is 10 times higher than people expect. They're going to be paying for a game at the very most, I think it's a very positive thing. I'll be interested to see the statistics about how they convert. And if they're curious, and if they really care if they sell 10 million copies when they can, you know, if they can for free or put out 10 million copies or 50 million copies of a game that they're just
Starting point is 01:07:15 circulating for free to play. If they can sell a million of them for $10 pop, they'd probably be pretty thrilled. Although that's not a lot of money for Nintendo. So I'm, I'm interested to see how it does and how the response is. I saw a video of it. It looks, I mean, that's not a game I want to play, but it looks higher production value than most of what you'd see on the phone. It's in a genre that seems familiar to people that play games on phone. And I think it's going to have crossover appeal between very casual
Starting point is 01:07:38 phone-only gamers or tablet-only gamers to the core Nintendo fans and other gaming fans. So I think it's a positive thing. And I'll be interested to see what Nintendo learns from it moving forward. It's not the game I want to see Nintendo do on mobile because what I'd like to ultimately see them do is something that they can, that they've been doing, but just make it work on mobile. I still think an Animal Crossing game makes a lot of sense on mobile. I think that a Pokemon, traditional Pokemon game, I'm like, why is in sun and moon on mobile? You know, like, there's certain things that I understand they want to push hardware and stuff and stuff like that. And I understand that.
Starting point is 01:08:04 But I want to see a more core game. I want to see what they can do. But this is a nice next step for them after Mitomo and after obviously their, their relationship with Niantic for Pokemon Go. I think this is the next logical step. Big IP. Yeah. The trailer itself, I didn't like at the beginning towards the end when it was speeding up a bit more and there was more to do. I was like, okay, it's a game I'm going to buy.
Starting point is 01:08:25 I'm interested enough. sure, I'll take the $10 chance on it. And like I don't game on my phone. So it will be that just like Sparkade Tetris, right? And a distraction when I feel the need. Maybe I'll get into it and be addicted for a little while and then forget all about it. And then be like, oh, right, that's still happening. It looked interesting.
Starting point is 01:08:41 I am excited that people are excited about it. The point Collins making about them charging for it is good. I do appreciate that. I also like that this was, you know, the debut of being able to pre-order on your iPhone on the app store, being able to jump in there and actually put your money down, get the game, you know, not early, but get the game, you know, ready to go be set for it. Looks interesting, yeah, but you're the big Mario Nintendo guy. Like, what did you do? You're the bigger fan than us. Yeah, I mean, like, not only that, I think I'm also
Starting point is 01:09:06 the most mobile gamer of us as well. And to me, like, seeing this, it's like what you're saying about it not being what we want. I obviously, I agree with you. Obviously, I want the, the Pokemon and Fire Emblem, like, proper games on this. But I think that this is the Mario game that I want. I don't think that a traditional Mario game makes sense when you're playing with having to use buttons on a buttonless device. This is aping the Rayman Jungle Run and Fiesta Run games, which charge $3 each for those. And those are some of my games of the year, like three years ago. Like, they're fantastic because they took the idea of what 2D platformers are, but they made it work in a touch world, which is it's not an endless runner. It is a game that is constantly running and
Starting point is 01:09:48 you need to jump and time things to get through it. And Rayman was awesome at designing levels around that. So it was a game. It was a real game. It was not a tap tap taparoo bullshit. It was like, no, you're actually doing something. And for me, it really appealed to my sensibilities because it kind of takes two-d-platformers and rhythm games and combines them. If you played the Rayman Legends or Rayman, whatever the other one was that came out recently on the Wii U and PS3 and whatever, the those games, the levels where there was music playing and you just kind of jump around. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, it's like, it felt like that more than anything.
Starting point is 01:10:27 And I like those. But imagine that with more gameplay elements to provide a real challenge that's more than just trial and error. And it's a level of understanding of a rhythm as you're playing through and doing all this stuff. And there's a very large amount of levels. There's obviously in mobile game fashion, there's the three-star system where it's like you can get through it better and it incentivizes you to want to play through more. And this seems like Nintendo's answer to that. And that sounds like something that I'm all over. And for $10, sure.
Starting point is 01:10:57 A little high for this, honestly. I think it's good that they're charging that much. But I mean, based off what I'm saying, like, I paid $3 for those Rayman games, and that was totally worth it to me. Sure. So I don't know what this game's going to do that is worth $7 more. And honestly, I don't think it will, but it's Mario. That's the thing.
Starting point is 01:11:14 Like Mario speaks to a group so much, the net is so much wider than Rayman. And so it's like, I get it from a business standpoint. And I also think that it's going to be a big move for the industry. I think that while the quality of the game might not be $7 more than that of Rayman, I think that because it's Mario and because they're making that move, that allows them to make the financial risk on a core of Pokemon game or whatever. And I think the game's going to be excellent. I think that's the more important note.
Starting point is 01:11:42 Well, I think it sends an interesting signal, right? I always appreciate it for as much as Square NX gets, and I think rightfully so, for some of the awful ports of Final Fantasy games, for instance, Dragon Quest that they put on iOS with fucking mistranslated text and these terrible fucking sprites and I don't even understand what they were doing. Game-breaking bugs. Yeah, like what they're even thinking with some of this stuff. But I do like how they've stuck
Starting point is 01:12:01 to their guns and are like, we're charging a premium amount of money for these games, and that's just the way it's going to be. And I am sure that they have lost a lot of customers, but I wouldn't be shocked considering that they've held the line for so long that they look at their projections and are like, we're making more money than we would have made if we made this Final Fantasy game a dollar or free to play or something because, like, we don't care about the spreadsheet
Starting point is 01:12:18 approach. The Blue Ocean approach doesn't make them money. What makes the money is finding premium gamers willing to spend a premium amount of money on a product. So to see now Nintendo jump in and say, like, we will now do the same thing. It gives me hope that other publishers wanting to make a premium actually good game. And you're talking about the Ubisoft Rayman games. It's another example. They show like, well, we'll try to make money here. And this is coupled with the fact that Apple is purging games and apps from the app store finally at a record pace. The last month I was reading said they removed something like $57,000. And I was like, that's fantastic.
Starting point is 01:12:50 That's great because these games don't need the fucking be on there anymore. It's ridiculous. And I know that a lot of this had to do with patching and people didn't want to have update their games, but hopefully they start doing that from a quality perspective as well. So I think that this kind of thing is a positive step for this mobile market that I think struggles with a legitimacy issue. And I think rightfully so. Everyone talks again about how much money they make, you know, a third of revenue in gaming being made a mobile. I'm like, that's just not impressive.
Starting point is 01:13:14 There are 600,000 games on the fucking device, you know? And there's a billion of these devices. in the world and they're only making a third of the revenue. That's a problem. So like figure out a different way to spike that number. And I think doing it this way and getting people adjusted to wanting to spend money, I think is a good thing. I'm really distressed by the race to the bottom on the mobile. What's interesting about this is the fact that this is the inverse of what I think everybody always thought was going to happen, that the mobile market could bring you a console audience, right? But in general, now this is console gaming coming to mobile and bringing those people with us, bringing us, right? And like, yeah, I don't, you know, play mobile games.
Starting point is 01:13:45 But like when Pokemon Go hit, sure, I tried it out and played it. Okay. It didn't I wouldn't get obsessed with it, but I was using a mobile game for the first time in years. And then, uh, and like, I mean, like really playing a mobile game for the first time in years, not for like game of year consideration at IGN. And then the same thing here where it's like, all right, cool, I'll spend $10 for it. And it's what you're saying, Colin, that if that hits and other developers slash publishers see that and they start doing that, then all of a sudden you have the ecosystem changing where the gamers who do spend money are willing to come over and spend money on quality things that are IP,
Starting point is 01:14:16 they understand and know. Yeah. I'm not confident that this effort will rest control from the five free to play games that make all of the money. Sure. But I am confident that it will create a little resistance, like a little niche that is much more vibrant that can slowly annex parts of the store and erode away a lot of the bad habits that these shit fucking games and these shit fucking publishers have foisted upon people and reclaim it for quality. Yeah. It's interesting too that there, I mean, this is like a free to play game. essentially but the old school model of it like this is there's a demo that you can play
Starting point is 01:14:53 for free yeah and you can buy the rest of the game if you want I think that that's that's a good model that's how things should be yeah quote-unquote right for Xbox level is forever yeah exactly so that's very exciting but more and also very soon we're a month away so I'm stoked for that because that is the type of game that I want to just have on me so that I can keep playing it I hope that like Rayman they do consistently update it and just drop level packs every once in a while because it's just like it's a perfect way to keep Mario on your mind and to keep Nintendo relevant which is this is hopefully such a good time for them which leads into the switch
Starting point is 01:15:26 rumors my god Emily Rogers and Laura Kate Dale we've heard their names forever yeah over the last year and a half with rumors and they've only just proven their legitimacy more and more and more and I think that after them nailing the trailer predictions and then nailing all the the information right after that it's like all right cool their sources are legit it and while they might be wrong about a couple things, like them saying stuff and being confident enough to say stuff because both of them confirm it with multiple sources before they write a blog about it is worth listening to at the very least and worth discussing. A lot's happened in the last couple weeks.
Starting point is 01:16:05 Laura K. Dale says, today's report backed by one previously used source and one new source, which I vetted through thoroughly, is that the UK Specialist Gaming Retail Chain Game has been informative Nintendo Switches wholesale price to retailers and is planning on selling the basic skew of the system in stores for 200 pounds. It's important to know this is not Nintendo set RRP, as in the UK, manufacturers are not allowed to set RIP prices for consoles. However, it's safe to assume this gives us a solid indication of the price the system will sell at nationwide.
Starting point is 01:16:32 There's also rumors of a second skew, the premium one, that would be 250 pounds. We've also heard that the current plan is for the more expensive one to come bundled with the new version of Splatoon. A big part of the push will be a one-on-one versus mode where two players on separate switches can fight over a map, switching the weapon of choice at will mid-game. Nintendo expects the short-match nature's spatoon to translate well to hand-held multiplayer. There also plans add additional single-player content to the game and for the switch version in the game to have similar free content output schedule to the one of the one that the Wii
Starting point is 01:17:02 you had over the last year. Also, there's rumors that the Skyrim port, Bethesda refuse to confirm as real, is totally happening. We've heard it's planned to be a launch day release for the system to mirror the recent remastered versions of the game and to allow mods at some point time post-launch. Mod support for Skyon will not be there from day one, and much like the PS4 will be limited to mods made using existing in-game assets.
Starting point is 01:17:23 Lastly, we've been told that Nintendo's planning for the Switch to be close to direct conversion price comparable across regions, which we have been told is tied into their push for the system to be region-free. This would, in theory, put the US price tag of the system at approximately 250 and 300,
Starting point is 01:17:38 respectively for the normal and the deluxe editions. This is based on conversions, not any insider information. So starting there. Okay. What do we think? Does the deluxe edition have to come with Splatoon? I mean,
Starting point is 01:17:52 I think we get a cool. Like, I want them to, I'm sorry, Splatoon I understand is cool. Kids love it. And I don't mean kids like insult. I mean,
Starting point is 01:17:59 viewers love it. That's fine. It's not a game for me. I'd rather there be the Mario cart or Mario deluxe edition. And that's just me being selfish. And I, but now to that set, if like it comes with more on board memory or something weird like that.
Starting point is 01:18:11 Which I'm sure. Oh, there's, yeah, I didn't read that part. But yeah. What the fuck's the other part? I think that's later.
Starting point is 01:18:15 and I have a lot of articles. Bitch, God, damn it. Greg, I think so. I think Emily Rogers was the one talking about the internal memories. Okay, well, yeah,
Starting point is 01:18:22 if the deluxe edition is there and that's, I'm sold. And $300 a great price point for, $2.50s a great price point for. I mean, these price points, they're really good for it. I was selling calling yesterday,
Starting point is 01:18:30 I'm a little worried about these rumors coming out because I think that it sets a scary tone in case they're wrong. Yep. Because these, if they were announced, it'd be fucking awesome. But if it's more than this,
Starting point is 01:18:41 everyone's going to be like, I'm fucking outraged. So hopefully this shit true. In terms of Splatoon, I think it's a pretty smart call because people are going to buy Mario. Like the great point. If it was Mario Kart even that there was going to buy Mario Kart. And again, it was me being selfish. I'm not arguing the business reality. But in addition to business, I think that them bundling of Splatoon is them saying, we want you to play Splatoon, Greg. We want you to give this. I have a no squid policy. I mean, that's, that's frankly racist. But I'll let you do that if that's the
Starting point is 01:19:11 type of life that you want. It is 2016. We know what you want you want now. Yeah. But I think Tootune is a wise choice for, especially when they're talking about with the multiplayer, being able to play with other people and stuff. Sure. It's similar to Wii Sports or Nintendo Land where it's showing off the system strengths, right? And again, everyone's going to have Mario card and Mario and all that stuff. You all better. Yeah. What do you think, Colin? Were they saying that their wholesale price of the console was 200 pounds?
Starting point is 01:19:38 Was that what they said at the beginning? I thought that's what you said. I'm just a little confused about, didn't you say that word? Did you not say that word? Did I make that up? Wholesale. I did say that actually. Yeah. Nintendo's which wholesale price to retailers. Is 200 pounds.
Starting point is 01:19:53 Yes. So I don't understand how that equates to $250. I don't understand how people are doing that math. Wholesale means that that's the price in which they're buying massive amounts of consoles at one time. They're not going to then turn them around for a no profit. So I don't understand. I'm just a little confused about how people got from point A to point B on that. So that's that's where I'm,
Starting point is 01:20:12 oh, that's the only thing I'm a little confused about from what you were reading. So it's important to know that this is not a Nintendo set RRP. as in the UK manufacturer's not allowed to set RRP prices for consoles. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. Which is recommended retail price. So, Kevin, do the conversion rate of today's 200 pounds to dollars for me, please? Kevin hit his knee real hard on the desk. So when we wait for that answer, the one thing that I will say is that when I was reading this,
Starting point is 01:20:42 this is what I'm talking about, the bad news starting to come out. Like, your big bundle is Splatoon. And I'm not denigrating the game. People love it. My brother fucking raves about that game. Um, but you're bundled in game as a Wii U game. And then you're, Well, it's not a week.
Starting point is 01:21:02 It's a new version of Splatoon. It's, I mean, I don't know about that. You know, like I understand that that's what they're saying. And there's some additive things to it. But it's not Splatoon 2. No. You know, uh, and. So $1.24.
Starting point is 01:21:16 So at $200, right now it's $1.24 per dollar per pound for in U.S. dollars. So 200 pounds would equate to $248.86. So the suggestion is that the gaming retailers are going to sell the console, assuming the pound and the dollar stay at this level of parity for $1.50 cents profits. Don't know about that. I think people need to temper their expectations. I think the console will cost $300. and maybe it's $300 and 350.
Starting point is 01:21:45 I mean, these guys have to make... Which would be what the Wii was. Right, exactly. And these guys have to make... And I think it's a reasonable price. I don't think it was a reasonable price at all for the Wii. But in hindsight, I was like, I didn't really have a huge problem with it. I'm not going to present like I did.
Starting point is 01:21:55 $300 seems like a normal price. I do agree with you. I would temper your expectations because, again, if the wholesale price is 200 pounds, they are selling the console for no profit. Who the hell would do that? I'm a little concerned about this particular. This thing seems to be lost unless I'm misunderstanding, which is highly possible.
Starting point is 01:22:09 Sorry, we had a little malfunction there. What I was saying was that I just want people to temper their expectations that the $250 price point makes sense. Based on the information of the wholesaling price, it doesn't make any sense at all. And so you might want to keep an eye on that. The other thing I was saying is that I don't think it's a little weak that Spiltoon is the package in game. I don't care what they've done to it. That's a weak thing. It's a Wii U game.
Starting point is 01:22:28 And it's a big third party game. And it's cool to see it on there. But Skyrim, they have to do way better than this. This is like what I'm talking about now. Things getting a little scary. Because the other rumors that Zelda's not going to be ready. which is fine and I believe it. You got that story?
Starting point is 01:22:43 There's a lot more. Yeah, get the rest because I want to clear window. Cool. So then she also followed up with the 3D Mario information. This title will apparently feature 3D open world hub from which different worlds can be selected, much with multiple objectives to complete just like Mario 64 or Mario Galaxy.
Starting point is 01:22:59 This may seem obvious, but we show this information to specify this will not be a Super Mario 3D World style game. The multiplayer teased in the trailer would be a co-op version of the main game, with both players able to work together toward objectives, but with a form of tether to keep the players from going too far from each other. Player 2's gameplay will not hold Player 1 back from progress,
Starting point is 01:23:16 but Player 2 can be the one to complete an objective and be shown as receiving the level and reward. A screen will then show how much of the progress toward that success was down to each player, like how many red coins each player collected in a Red Coin stage. This Mario title has a demo and development ready for the press to play in January 2017. Emily Rogers now. What up, Emily Rogers? I wouldn't be surprised if 3D Mario ends up being a day one launch.
Starting point is 01:23:38 title for Switch instead of Zelda. That's all I'll say on that. That's not to say that Zelda won't or can't be a launch window title, but 3D Mario was much further along in development that anyone thinks. This isn't speculation. I'm basing this off things I've been hearing for 3 to 4 months now. 3D Mario sounds like it's practically finished. People think 3D Mario wouldn't release until after E3 because of some comments that
Starting point is 01:23:57 Miyamoto made. That was a long time ago where he said that we'll hear more about Mario at E3, but things change. As I said before, new 3D Mario focuses more on exploration than galaxy in 3D world. in the next day. Every day they've been talking about different things and leaking a lot of shit on their Twitter. There's also a Pokemon game coming to Switch early next year.
Starting point is 01:24:16 MCV wasn't lying about that when they reported it. Allow me to backpedal a bit. I don't know if it'll be early next year, but there's definitely a Pokemon game coming. It's not Poken. That's not to say Poken couldn't come to Switch, but that's not the Pokemon game I'm hearing about. Then another dude, Dr. Cupcakes,
Starting point is 01:24:32 who's another industry guy. Where did he get his medical degree? I'm not sure. Thank you. Confectionary University. He says, don't spoil it with a little smiley emoticon. It's really cool, implying that he knows what it is. She responds, I'm leaving it up to other journalists to talk about.
Starting point is 01:24:49 I won't be saying anything more. I think most people know what it is. And then he responds again, I think that's the right thing to do in this particular case. And then someone else says, how accurate do you think they mentioned a game freak developing it is, though? Personally, I can't see it being a main entry. And she just responds with a smiley emoji. What does this say to me? Yeah, what does that say to you, Tim?
Starting point is 01:25:07 This says that we, I mean, and again, this is where I don't want, I want to temper my expectations and not get too excited. But with Nintendo understanding that it needs to come with some heavy hitters, we could be getting Pokemon red and blue too. Like this could be the thing that like is going to appeal to the most people possible. I think that a Pokemon Z, Pokemon Stars, Pokemon Eclipse, whatever, third version isn't enough for this. But I also think that that is the easy answer and it could definitely be that. And that would be a main entry game. Pokemon Snap, too. But with the guy getting involved, Mr. Dr. Cupcakes.
Starting point is 01:25:42 Exactly. Don't insult his degree. Excuse me. Dr. Cupcakes, not Mr. Dr. Cupcakes. He's implying that this is like something like this shouldn't be spoiled for people. And a Pokemon third version of Sun and Moon is, that's the type of stuff that can get leaked with Mario Kart, Port. It's also entirely possible that they're just making it seem cooler than it is. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:26:04 Which is the thing the internet does. And I feel like that's entirely possible. or Nintendo's propensity to port old games to this unit. I want to be categorical about this, because I think this is a huge problem. If they don't have Mario or Zelda ready for launch, they might as well not launch that fucking thing. All these rumors point to Mario.
Starting point is 01:26:19 Yeah, I know, so that's what I'm saying. Because I think I had made the prediction a long time or that I thought Mario was going to be a launch game. So it's because, and I was a little confused by what Emily was saying specifically, which is like,
Starting point is 01:26:29 it's further along than people think. I'm like, I think we all think this game's been in development for five years. Like, I think that this game was clearly a Wii U game, and then they just, just fucking two years ago. We're like, not anymore.
Starting point is 01:26:39 Now we're putting it on the new console. So I'm not surprised that it's done. It could just be sitting there. So I'm a little confused by that. There was a lot of rumors. She's basing that off of before the switch came out. The rumors that the reason it took so long for Nintendo to talk about the switch is that the footage from Mario wasn't ready yet. Because it wasn't at a quality level that they wanted.
Starting point is 01:26:57 So I think it's mixing a lot of those things. I'm a little concerned. So I'm still bullish about the switch. I want it. Obviously, the investors were not bullish about it. Nintendo dropped a lot of value after it was announced. So there's one component of it. People don't seem to believe in it that are bound to make or lose money on it, which is
Starting point is 01:27:15 concerning. The other thing is that I just feel like you have to shit or get off the pot with the Zelda game. The longer that they hold the Zelda game, I think the more it's going to disappoint people. I think it's going to be a great game. I think it looks good. I played it. And I think it's cool.
Starting point is 01:27:28 I couldn't invert the controls, which was fucking heinous. But I'm sure that'll be fixed in the final one. But there's a lot of Zelda here too. Oh, yeah. All right. Okay. In early September, I heard rumblings that a localization for the game was becoming more work than anyone had anticipated. They have to localize all the games' text, NPCs, quests, etc.
Starting point is 01:27:44 Then around October, I received another update that Zelda's localization was still not going as smoothly as planned. A very ambitious game, maybe even too much, claimed one particular source. That brings us to the month of November. More sources have now come forward and corroborated my information. They've told me that localization for Breath of the Wild might not be finished until the end of December. after localizations completed, the game will require between at least four to six months of testing. As I mentioned earlier, this is one of Nintendo's largest and most ambitious games ever. The amount of testing required for a huge open world game like this is enormous,
Starting point is 01:28:14 and Nintendo's intention is to have the game as bug-free as possible. Based on what I've heard, I have no reason to believe that Breath of the Wild would be a March title. There's a much higher chance of Breath of Wild being a summer 2017 game. On an unrelated note, I've also heard researchers the Switch version of Breath of Wild running much more smoothly than the Wii version. Furthermore, I hear the final version of the game is a bit harder than what the press and media played at E3. Actually, I hear they tone down the E3 demos difficulty a tiny bit because they want a journalist and press members to have fun exploring. I just have, I don't know, I'm just confused by a lot of these things. I think they're,
Starting point is 01:28:44 I think these people, I mean, Emily clearly has been talking about Nintendo for years. And I think she knows what, what she's talking about. But why would a localization require Q&A and testing? A lot of this doesn't make any sense. How is that going to affect the game? If the games, if the game's localization is done in jazz, Japanese and all they're doing is replacing text. And I don't understand how that's going to require six months of testing. There just seems to be, I'm just a little bit confused about some of the things they're saying. Like, it makes sense to a certain degree. And I'm like, but that doesn't actually make, what you're saying doesn't make any sense. It goes back to the wholesale thing with the
Starting point is 01:29:13 pricing. I'm like, that doesn't make sense what you guys are like what you're saying. We get to this point, this precipice. And then I'm like, but you're, but why? How, you know, you, you, 200 pound wholesale and then you're going to sell it to $250? All right. You know, so, so I'm just a little bit flummoxed by some of the things that that are that are being said but i believe that the main through line is probably true i i just think that i hope to i think that mario game is going to be great i mean we've been waiting forever for a three-dmario game and i think it's clear that they aborted the mission on w i and i think that was wise um so to have that ready for launch i think is a good thing and that's that's where i get confused i'm like wouldn't it be nice you know
Starting point is 01:29:51 and i understand that they'd be eating a little bit of money but like for goodwill like why didn't you bundle that? Like, I just don't, if the game's really done and it's ready to go and you guys are going to sell it on day one, and I know people are going to buy it and that's going to be, but fucking, we have a tradition of getting bundled in Mario games and wouldn't it be like going a long time back on multiple consoles? So like, why not recapture the spirit of, of doing that, whether it was with NES or SNAS or even Game Boy?
Starting point is 01:30:16 You know, we had, and N64 had a huge Mario bundle back in the day. We, I just, I like the idea of them being very pro-consumer and consumer focused and being like this is the game. I don't want, I want fucking Splatoon. I think Tim makes a great point though of why, right? They do want that to be a franchise and it does already have on the Wii U, which is the system that didn't set the world on fire.
Starting point is 01:30:35 It does have this audience that has claimed that is awesome and it was up for like best multiplayer of the year and shit like that for Splatoon on Wii U. So yeah, I remember getting that or I remember seeing that come through when we were at IG and getting ready for kind of funny, everything else. I forget when Splatoon even came out. But I remember previews and then actually on release and never really giving it a chance. just because it's not my kind of thing. I think you did a let's play.
Starting point is 01:30:57 I might have co-hosted with you or I watched you play or some shit like that. And it's just, all right, this isn't for me, but I know Fran was playing it and pair was playing there. I'm a great time.
Starting point is 01:31:03 If that comes, I mean, like for me, we haven't gotten to what the deluxe edition might have outside of this game. If that's a better running console, I'm buying that regardless.
Starting point is 01:31:11 And then, yeah, okay, here's this game bundled in that I assure you, I'll play at some point on a plane. Yeah, so the other thing that would be adding is just more system memory. Sure.
Starting point is 01:31:19 Which we hope is expandable. So it's like ideally in a perfect world this bundle is unnecessary because you can just buy the cheaper one Buy your own memory and buy whatever fucking game you want sure So I would be sure. Oh, so you're talking about expandable memory in terms of SD cards Yeah like DS. Yeah, I would assume that that would be the case You would hope I mean I would be weird Nintendo doesn't seem to Care too deeply about proprietary memory right? Yeah, so and I think that that's smart and they look at their competitors not that it's a small market sample
Starting point is 01:31:48 But you know look what it did the veto no I know that's what I'm saying so I was so I was I would think for me, I would think the deluxe edition would be that there is storage in there. There is two gigs, whatever the hell it's going to be on the regular one in deluxe edition. Yeah, it's four, eight, nine, whatever the hell is gig. And then I also can add in more than that. But yeah. Well, you know what I'm saying, though, that I can still expand in more. So even I can take the biggest memory card I have.
Starting point is 01:32:08 I still get however many gigabytes. Yeah. I'm going to be interested if the deluxe edition is something that I look at and think I need to get. I think it's just more out there as an option for people. I personally wish that they just went with one and just call. called it a fucking day. Sure. But bundles are enticing to people, and I get why they would do that.
Starting point is 01:32:27 And I think that the Mario is the game that they're going to sell. A long time ago, you thought that they were going to, that Mario was going to be a launch title. And I disagreed with you because I thought that coming out with Zelda and Mario would be a horrible, horrible move. But that was assuming Zelda was a launch title. And reading all this stuff, like a lot of people are talking about how Zelda is getting delayed again. It's not.
Starting point is 01:32:45 Like, Nintendo, we were led to believe that it would be in March. because what they said was Zelda, Breath of the Wild, will be coming out on the Wii U alongside the NX, or alongside the NX version. So we just assumed, oh, when the NX comes, it comes. But no, this is still true when it comes later, right? Which I think is a good thing. I think Zelda should come later.
Starting point is 01:33:08 Mario should come first in order for the Switch to be a success. Like, Mario sells. Zelda doesn't. So guess what? Let's have a Mario launch game, the Mario game that everybody wants at launch. This is good. This is great, great, great news,
Starting point is 01:33:20 because what they're talking about, what will be bad is if Zelda gets pushed to fall. Then we're going to, like, that's, I think, going to be an iffy territory. But this all sounds like we're going to get Mario at launch, Skyrim, a couple other things, and then a steady flow of Wii U plus ports, whatever. And then Zelda,
Starting point is 01:33:40 and then hopefully we'll have another fall game that will be announced at E3 or during the January thing. Another thing that they went on top about was Mario Card 8. According to sources close to Nintendo, the Switch version of Mario Card 8 will feature tons of exclusive content, including brand new tracks, new playable characters, and a new and improved battle mode.
Starting point is 01:33:58 Drop bones. That's right, Nintendo's listen to everyone's criticisms about Mario Kart 8's battle mode. Mario Kart has completed development and has planned to be released within the first three months of Switch's launch. Fuck yes. And Mario Cardi already has 48 tracks. So there's going to be a lot of content there when you're looking at the game plus DLC plus new shit.
Starting point is 01:34:15 And Smash Bros will be coming at some point after launch, but it sounds like that's going to be further along in the year. Sure. There's space in these things. Another interesting thing there with moving Zelda, but finding out about Skyrim is that you get them out of each other's way and where there won't be a direct comparison on day one, right? Because that was the thing.
Starting point is 01:34:29 I think so many people took away from the Breath of the Wild demo or even when it got announced, right, of like, oh, it's Zelda meets SkyRam or whatever. Instead of put them both out there, you know, I've been holding off on playing Skyrim on PlayStation 4. I see it on my crossbar all the time. Maybe. But I'm like, well, no, if it's coming to Switch,
Starting point is 01:34:43 I'd wrap, that's what I want. I want that on the go. But if I had Zelda, I'd be playing Zelda over that. But if I don't have Zelda, No, why wouldn't I kick that around? Jump out in and out of Mario, jump into that. Yeah. I mean, all these rumors to me sound great.
Starting point is 01:34:55 Yeah. I hope that most of them are true. I hope that the pricing is right. And that if we do start getting this lineup, and more than anything, I hope that we get Pokemon red and blue, something in that universe, because that'd be fucking awesome.
Starting point is 01:35:08 But overall, we'll see January 12th, I think it is, is the Nintendo presentation. That's coming up. Right around the corner. All right. Final topic today, as always, brought to you by you. And Stephen Insler. Shout on to Stephen Insler.
Starting point is 01:35:24 What I'm Steven Insler? Patreon producer forever. You can leave your questions over at Kindofuny.com slash gamescast topic. Just like Sherryberry cool, cool, dude. Nice. Pursona 5 delayed. Question mark,
Starting point is 01:35:38 question mark. Yeah. Looks like it, huh? April 4th. Dang. Yo. But with Japanese dual audio DLC for release for free. Yeah, great.
Starting point is 01:35:47 That's cool. People get a fuck. I know. I'm aware of people. So that's good. The real great news here is that it gets out of the way of Horizon. I can, you can sit there and we can commit to these games.
Starting point is 01:35:58 And when both of them hit, you get to jump in there and just go deep on them. Balls fucking deep on these games and just enjoy those worlds. Because that was the big concern. How am I going to balance and juggle persona and Horizon at the same time? Where's the right now? The 20th. I think of February?
Starting point is 01:36:13 I think so. There you. Something like that. Cool. I saw this. I wasn't super surprised. I think it's wise for them to vacate areas where they are going to have any overlap with games that are
Starting point is 01:36:22 of an exclusive nature on the console. People have to remember, persona is a PlayStation exclusive game. So this is basically, it's not a first party game, but it's basically a first party game. So to release it a couple weeks before Horizon is a mistake. And I was a little bit of afraid of that. I thought it would kind of persevere and carve
Starting point is 01:36:39 out its niche and it came first, which I think is a big advantage. But to give a little bit more space and maybe they really did need more time, it doesn't make much sense to me. I mean, the game is out in Japan, so the game's done. The game is ready to go. And I'm sure that the voice acting and all that's done and the localization is probably done too. But, you know, I think giving it space is fine.
Starting point is 01:37:00 And people are going to play it when it's time. And I think that's a positive thing. Now we don't have to worry about Horizon getting, you know, running into it. Because Horizon's going to get way more attention and sell way more copies. So, you know, to get out of that, to get out of that, that area is wise and intelligent. There you go. Joey BK
Starting point is 01:37:21 says what y'all feel about the I found a vagina and watchdogs too when Sony suspended me fiasco. Bullshit, there hasn't been an update, has there? I didn't do Connery Glock today. Does the kids count restored yet? Has that happened yet?
Starting point is 01:37:33 I think there is a, I didn't read it the thing Ubisoft said where they were like, we're patching it out and we're sorry and all that kind of thing. Yeah, they're going to work with the first part. It's a little outrageous. It's a catch 22 like we talked about.
Starting point is 01:37:42 And it's Ubisoft's fault that this happened. It's no one's fine. I mean, Sony responded in a way that I think was a little heavy-handed, but this is Ubisoft's problem. First of all, Ubisoft's probably going to get fined by the ESRB. Second of all, because they have vulgar, completely sexual X-rated shit in their game. Whoever put that art in there is done, I would have to assume, and I'm sure they'll be able to trace that back through their system. And, you know, I'm sure Sony will lift the ban on this person. I'd be shocked.
Starting point is 01:38:09 I'm surprised it didn't happen yesterday at this point. I'm sure probably, by the time recordings, it may have already happened. Well, yeah, by the time this post, I would fucking hope so, Jesus. I mean, like, it's just such a bullshit thing. I'm like, yeah. Like, and not to mention that I wouldn't even think that, you know what I mean? If he had screen capped that and then taking it on a USB and tweeted on his own, would he have been fine? Was it the fact that he did through PlayStation 4 share?
Starting point is 01:38:30 Is that what, I mean, like, I mean, it must be, right? Yeah, and that's so weird. I never ever would have thought about that. That if I'm, if I'm seeing something in a video game and I'm tweeting it out, like, why? I have all the decapitations and fucking horrible ass murders. Oh my god, it's a vagina. It's a crotchless panties. I mean, it shouldn't be in the game, right?
Starting point is 01:38:47 I mean, like, I have no problem with sexual vulgarity, but having that kind of stuff in the game, you wouldn't even be able to sell watchdogs on a shelf. I mean, this is a bigger problem than I think people are letting on from a Ubisoft's point of view. They really, they lied to the SRB, whether they did it intentionally or unintentional. I'm sure they did it unintentionally. This is in the game. Some artists put it there, and no one noticed there were people noticed it into I think it was a big deal.
Starting point is 01:39:13 And so it was out there. And it took no time. The game wasn't even out yet by the time this was discovered. So I can't imagine the sheer number of vaginas that are going to be found before this patch, this patch comes out. I think Sony responded in a way that is logical. And I think this all traces, I don't think it's right. And I think they should overturn.
Starting point is 01:39:30 I think they will. But I think that you have to point fingers that you saw. They're the ones that fuck this up. Yeah, man, it's crazy, though, because the game being based in San Francisco, like, the video I saw was just a character run around naked, like a dude. with a dick flopping around. And it's just like that's San Francisco. Well, that's fine, right?
Starting point is 01:39:47 Or is that not fine? The dick guy, that's fine. Is that fine? No one's talked about it. I've seen, there's a woman, I mean, like, you go to a nudist colony or her breasts are out and then, yeah, I saw the guy, the dick dude and that was fine. It was the fact that it was this fully textured, you know, like rendered vagina. It wasn't like.
Starting point is 01:40:04 What I saw a Neogaf, what I was looking through, like the video I clicked on was a, it was a dude with a dick. No, is that the one that got. The picture that the guy sent out was a girl passed out. on the sidewalk where their legs spread and it's just a vagina. Like it's not even like a, I'm not trying to be vulgar, but it's not even like a slit or anything like that. It is a vagina.
Starting point is 01:40:19 Like that someone went in, zoomed in, rendered, Drew, and it's on the woman's body. Yeah, I don't think it's a little vulgar. I don't need to see that. I don't need the children to see that. The children. Think of the children. They're going to blow people's heads up,
Starting point is 01:40:34 but don't show them any vaginas, for God's sake. And I guess is that, I mean, that would be the way to get around. I have to go look at what the ESRB entry for watchdogs too is, but if they list that there's penises flopping around, no big deal. But if they don't list that there's a vagina there, that's when trouble.
Starting point is 01:40:47 Are there games with penises in it? Yeah. Remember when you fight Satan in the end, Dante's Inferno. They had such a big deal about his dick swinging physics. Remember the order. You got these vampire werewolf dick monsters at the end of it running around.
Starting point is 01:41:01 There's got a way to get away with it, though, because that shit shouldn't be allowed in the games for R-rate or M-rated games. Well, see, that's the thing, though, is there's a difference, though, between sexually explicit content and nudity, right? It's the same thing on YouTube where it's like nudity can be okay in certain if it's educational or if it's just if it's art.
Starting point is 01:41:22 If it's not pornography or sexually charged. So like this type like in watchdogs, I don't know. I don't know where that would fall in. And yeah, the SB is kind of their hard asses. I mean, this has got to be just the argument. I mean, everybody's afraid of the vagina, right? That's the thing here. Because, I mean, tits have been in games before, too.
Starting point is 01:41:41 And it's an M-rated game, and it's fine. Dix have been a game. It's fine. Oh, yeah, there are breasts in the games for sure. But, yeah, the ESRB, I don't necessarily agree with, I don't even think games should have ratings at all. But the fact of the matter is, is that, and I feel that way about movies, too, I just feel like, it's kind of silly.
Starting point is 01:41:56 It's like, who, like, you know, we can make our own decisions. But the, the ESRB is the only thing that's keeping us from having a governmental panel that does this for us. And so they need to be hard asses, and they should find you yourself significantly for this, because it should discourage people from doing this. Someone went rogue, eubeself. No one in the fucking design document was like, render, take time and render vaginas on this woman, please. It's like, it was just tone deaf and stupid.
Starting point is 01:42:18 And someone should be held to account for that so that we don't have the fucking media. And I'm surprised the media hasn't picked this nonsense up and made the entire industry look worse. People have to think about how these things can have repercussions on all of us, you know, as we're trying to fight this. It goes back to Mass Effect and all the, you know, it's like, you don't want to track these Fox News and MSMC types. Nope. Div Dad says Greg. Hey, what's up with Lego Dimensions?
Starting point is 01:42:43 What's not up with Lego Dimensions? It's great. And there's another wave out this week. So by the time you get that, you got the new Fantastic Beast story pack. You play it through the whole movie. Haven't played it yet. The content hasn't gone live as of recording because they don't want you to spoil the movie.
Starting point is 01:42:55 You're also getting big Sonic, big Sonic coming out on this one. You get the Gremlins. The big grems is they call them. You got Gizmo, Stripe, not Spike. I got in trouble in my last play for Spain Spike. But I don't really remember that Gremlin too. Gremlin's the original. I guess Grumlins too.
Starting point is 01:43:09 A movie I haven't watched as an adult, like sat down and watched them forever. And as an adult, I guess never is what I'm saying. You know what I mean? Because the movies take on a different. Yeah, yeah. Great movie. Decades. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:18 Who else is in this pack? I got them in there. Some of them. E.T.'s out this time around. Yeah. Phone and home. Yeah. Some cool stuff.
Starting point is 01:43:25 More, more. I'm excited for this part of your two content. The initial thing was like adventure time and Mission Impossible. And we're like excited for new figs and new stuff. But I was like, but now Sonics there. Play through the Ghostbusters movie. all right
Starting point is 01:43:38 you know what I mean like now these are actually cool things at Sean on Twitter he has at Sean on Twitter at S-H-A-W-N damn wow he says my friend and I have been debating this for months is punch out part of the Mario universe
Starting point is 01:43:54 no not just straight up no I mean he's the referee in it I don't think that like he's he's like an Eastray cameo character right I'm not I'm always of the mind that Mario is not even the same Mario it's like the whole
Starting point is 01:44:07 theory of of like these are different marios and different times in different places. I'm not sure that there's one, even one Mario. I don't care what anyone says. This goes back to the mushroom kingdom and all the things we drew on whiteboards like psychotic people. No, no, no, no. It's funny
Starting point is 01:44:21 you say that though. I was just playing punch out on the NES Classic this past. So I guess I did play other games other than called Duties. I played a lot of NES Classic. Actually, I played through Mega Man 2. I played through Castlevania, 2. You know, played a little bit of Zelda and other things. So I actually, I guess, played a lot of games. And Mario 3. played punchout.
Starting point is 01:44:38 I'm like, God damn, this game is fucking good. This is just I know that they made one on SNES obviously wasn't nearly as good and then they made the Wii one which was a little weird and people were having problems with it because of the reaction times
Starting point is 01:44:48 on you needed really a CRT to even play. Yeah. And I was like, it is good. But none of them recaptured that essence and I was like, try again one day. I really like you to do that. They are really, really clever games.
Starting point is 01:45:00 When you think about when that game came out, I mean, punchout from its perspective, and what it was doing is nothing like it. That game is just as unique in a lot of ways as everything else they were releasing. I mean, Punch Out was after that first wave of great NES games like Metroid and Kid
Starting point is 01:45:15 Icarus and obviously Mario Brothers. And it's so special and I feel like it's a game that a lot of people don't talk about. It's fucking really hard too. But you can figure it out. It's easy to game that game until the very end. At Nightcrawler says With Dishonored 2 out, how do all of you guys enjoy stealth games?
Starting point is 01:45:31 Do you play stealth games all the way through or just kill everything? man it depends on the game i think you know what i mean when i'm you're talking about a metal gear right i try to do stealth i try to go through and not fuck around and then it gets to that point inevitably where somebody spots you and it all goes to hell and you start shooting you run i think is you i think metal gear solid uh five that was the best version of it because it was or me and yeah that was the best version of it because there were so many different ways to take it on and once you knew the map and once you knew where people would normally be positioned that's when you really came in and started feeling like fucking snake and you've really
Starting point is 01:46:03 really felt like you had this by the balls and you could get this. We talked about it, you know, on PSI Love UXOXO and then a bit on last week's games cast. But like the way I'm playing watchdogs is I'm, you know, Marcus is never really involved if everything goes according to plan. Nobody really knows what's happening. There's robots coming in and I'm scouting everything out and I'm slinking in the shadows and doing all this different stuff. I love playing it that way. And that's one of the reasons I think washdogs is so much fun right now and the fact that you can tackle it how you want to tackle it. I'm choosing to be this very techy hacker that like that never worked for me in the original watchdogs right and then watching that watchdogs to demo we've talked about so many times the D3 of infiltrating that high rise and seeing him shoot people and stuff and I'm like this doesn't feel like what this game should be and I'm having a fucking awesome time with it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:49 With those type of games specifically Metal Gear like Metal Gear 4 and fives are the more actiony ones. I always start stealth but the moment I get seen then it just turns into fucking like this Rambo killing everybody. I just was thinking about Metal Gear Solid 5 and I played it for, you know, less than 10 hours. And I was infuriated by it because I was just like I was very, very slowly over an hour like going around, slinking around, killing all these people. And then you're seen by one person. Sometimes I don't even feel like you were fairly seen. It's like, where the fuck did this person come from? Or how do they even see you when they didn't see you before?
Starting point is 01:47:22 And then you get frustrated and then you go in guns blazing and the entire time is wasted. I get sucked down that cycle sometimes. So there are, I like, Dishonor 2 appeals to me more in that respect because it's more linear. and quarter based, so it doesn't get as wide open, and I don't think there's many intangibles. But typically I don't like playing those kinds of games. With that said,
Starting point is 01:47:42 that game sniper, the new sniper elite that comes out next year, I played it at E3, and I was really into it. I was like, this is really fun and really cool. But the games that are methodical have a place. At Rapido says,
Starting point is 01:47:53 what's up with Crash Bandicoot and how come there hasn't been any news on the remaster? I assume there's not much to say. It'll be coming out probably early next year. I'm sending POSX. I was going to say you get something on PSX. and get the trailer and the date and the first gameplay footage and all that stuff. So I'm very excited for that because that's coming up soon too.
Starting point is 01:48:11 Couple weeks away. PSX. Yeah. Oh, man. We need to do that predictions topic for PSX. We do. We should talk about that. Next week.
Starting point is 01:48:19 And then the final question comes from Sigley. He says, Xbox anniversary, share some memories, talk about Halo and its influence on games and first person shooters. Well, guess what? We're going to have a whole talk about that next week. I was going to make that a topic today. But I decided that we should get somebody that's a bit more Xbox-centric to add to the discussion. So it's not just you guys are in the same stories. You already have a million times.
Starting point is 01:48:42 So Alfredo Diaz will be joining us. We're going to be talking about that. It's going to be pretty exciting. I like that Alfredo Diaz. I do like him. It's been a while. It's been a while since I've seen him. He's got muscles.
Starting point is 01:48:53 I don't know. Anyways, love you all. We'll see you guys next week. Until the next time. I love you. Bye.

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