Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Predictions and Announcements - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 43

Episode Date: November 6, 2015

We give a quick rundown of all the things shown at the Paris Games Week PlayStation conference, let's make predictions for the rest of the year, we discuss Mitch Dyer's article about how Halo 5 had deceptive marketing, and which games have absolutely perfect gameplay? (Released 10.30.15) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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What's up, guys? Welcome to the first ever episode 43 of the Kind of Funny Games cast. As always, I'm Tim Getty's joined by the coolest dudes in video games, Colin Moyarty and Greg Miller. Pertillo's here. Chewing on some things. You got a new owl. He likes a lot. This is good.

This is the reuniting the Avengers for the first time in a while, it feels like, even though it was probably just, yeah. I mean, I was it. It's been a long week. I guess two weeks since we sat down to do the games cast. The most famous Avengers of All. I'm a Mysterio. Uh-huh.

Your Omega Red. Oh. And Portillo is the Flash. He's just so fast. Is he Professor Xavier? Uh, well, Professor Xavier isn't in the Avengers. I apologize. That was stupid.

That was a mistake on my heart. Sorry, everybody. Who am I then? More of a DC guy. Tim is, uh, spawn. Okay. Nice. Yeah.

That's a good one. I like that. That's a good one. You look like you. I'm very spotlight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your hair's doing a thing that you might want to know about. I don't know.

Did it look good? Did it look good? It looked like something. So this is a show where we talk about video games every week, and it's a beautiful thing. All you beautiful people join us, and we have a beautiful hour-ish conversation about stuff. So that's great.

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The reason I bring that up is the first topic of the day is the PlayStation Conference at Paris Games Week. Paris Games Week. Sure, sure, sure. Now, there was a bit of hub of should we talk about it in the show or should we not? Because you guys have already covered it. And people, when we first announced PSLU is like, oh, there's going to be so much redundancies and stuff.

Gamescast is a show about video games. So for us to not talk about PlayStation is silly. And also, I want to talk about stuff. And this show's going to be a bit more about the, like, the broad, you know, stuff. Not so much the nitty gritty details. Okay. So like this topic, we'll talk for 15, 20 minutes. Who knows?

Kind of giving a wrap up for the people. I'm super interested in know what you think. There's a couple. Yeah, I have some thoughts. Okay. I do have some thoughts. I have a list of all the stuff. Oh, okay, he's got lists.

Yeah, Tim Geddes does list. Who is surprised? Yeah. And we'll go from there. But try not to be too upset if you are getting some of the dunes. You'll be fine. And frankly, I was vehemently against us not doing this on this show because I think that the show needs to be treated as it's going to normally be treated regardless of what we

talk about on PSI, Love You, X, because there's not necessarily going to be crossover between those shows. There's definitely people that listen to that show that don't listen to the show. And I'm sure that there's people that listen to the show that don't listen to that show. I mean, the comments say that. So it's like there is people that listen to very. specific things. So it's all good. We're going to start this off with PlayStation Conference Pairs Games Week. Star Wars Battlefront. We get a new character trailer. Yeah. So we got to see

a little bit of that Boba Fett. We got to see some Hans Solo. You made a little joke when he went over the, I liked that. I liked that a lot. No sign about that. No sign yet of Wado. There's no Waddo. There was no Mitochlorians. Right. Well, no, they're there. They're in everything. Yeah. Yeah. They're within. Yeah. Just the Jedi. Now, see, I still argue that they're inside of everyone, but it's the Jedi's have a high high-hagory encounter. I don't even remember. I think that that is the case. Oh, Star Wars expert, Greg Miller. Yeah, exactly. I also like data. I don't see data in that trailer.

But that trailer got me high. Trailer was great. No, like, I, like, I've been talking about it for a while that I didn't play the beta, but I watched Nick and Colin play the beta. And I was like, this looks like something I wouldn't mind jumping into and fucking around with. And that trailer, I was like, yeah, that does sound like, seem like fun. That trailer, again, though, reminded me in the same shit that Colin always talks about. I'm like, man, I wish there was a campaign for this. Like, I want to play this.

I want an experience out of this. And I'm not an online multiplayer shooter guy. So I'm like, ugh, damn it. Will I jump in and play it a little bit? Probably not. Really? Yeah. I don't know.

I'm just like it's, I'm not good at that shit. Like, I'm just not good. So that makes it not fun. Yeah, I hear you. Like last night, right now, we've talked about this in our personal times, Colin, not you. The fact that we're in a holding pattern for Fallout 4.

And the fact that nothing is fallout four makes you want to play nothing. You know what I mean? That's where I'm at right now. Last night I had a couple hours of downtime and I was like, I should play something. I want to think I need to chip away with the Metal Gear Platinum, but I don't feel like doing that right now. And this entails the borderlands I want to finish, but not right now. And I was like, you know what? I'm still waiting on Christine was doing work and we're going to watch a movie.

But I'm like, I'm still waiting on her to play co-op Halo. But that won't stop me. I can play multiplayer Halo. So I jumped in and did one match of that. In the beginning was just me getting my teeth kicked in for sure. But then I turned that corner west. I'm like, all right, I'm getting a little bit of a feel for it. It's like, all right, this is what Battlefront could be.

I don't need to play a million hours of Battlefront, but, man, I have an hour to kill. Why not, do? Yeah, yeah. I mean, if you can put in like 10 hours, you do kind of cross that hump. You know what I mean? You start being good, not amazing, but good. Right. But yeah, I don't know if I'd want to do that to something that at least I don't want to, like, speak badly about the game.

It's just like the repetitiveness of just like deathmatch over and over. or you know, whatever, like, objective face type things. It's just like, it's not my cup of tea. But, man, it's beautiful. Like, looking at the game, like, goddamn. And we know we're going to get a good one one day, a single player.

Yeah, hopefully by world. But no, I mean, that's the thing of, I'd love to get in there and just fool around for a while. You don't worry, Tim. Don't stress out. You don't have to get in there to be an expert. You know, I can just run around and play. Yeah.

I have fun with that. But then all the people on the internet get mad at me. Well, you're going to get your single player Star Wars from Visceral. Yeah. And that's going to be fucking awesome. I want another, I want another Knight's Steel Republic. That'd be cool, too. I don't, wouldn't count on that.

I know, but I want it. That's all I'm saying. I know Amy's going to deliver. But anyway, the trailer was awesome. I really liked it. I liked the cut of it was really good. Seeing Boba Fed and seeing Han Solo and all that stuff. Fucking awesome.

I think it was good that they included that in the conference, because it kind of got people hyped. Yeah, they stacked other third party stuff in the beginning. Call of Duty was even before Battlefront, and they, and they, No one's talking about that. Yeah, and they, and they, uh, It was interesting that they did that because they usually don't. And that's usually frustrating.

They usually will lead with something interesting for a first party or something dynamic for a third party. And then they'll go into like the smaller stuff and stats and all that kind of stuff after the CEO speech. And then at the end they'll do like Assessence Creed or Ubisoft game or an EA game. And then they'll do like the big first party game. And I like how they just got rid of all of the – because frankly, people that are watching the PlayStation Press Conference really don't care about the third party games. Yeah, there was a definitive moment in there. We're returning like, oh, okay, here's what I'm going to pay attention.

Exactly. Like, we care about them. We play them, but at press conferences, we do not care. Yeah. We watch Ubisoft's press conference for Ubisoft's games. We watch EA's press conference for EA's games. We do not care. I would love to see a press conference one day with none of, nothing but first party games.

But that's not, you know, they have to, you know, massage with partnerships. Yeah. First party stuff, we saw Ratched and Clank. We saw a little bit more of that with a trailer. You're super excited. It looks fantastic. I am. Yes.

I mean, that game looks, it looks amazing. I love the Ratchet series. I was a bigger fan of the PS3 series as opposed to the PS2. And I still love the PS2 ones. Yeah. I mean, those are better games. I mean, Crack and Time was... Tools of Destruction and Cracketime.

Yeah, I was the only one I think that was really like super critically acclaimed, right? Tools of Destruction, people liked. People liked it, but I think... Okay, let me make this clear. I like Tools of Destruction. I liked Quest for Booty, which is this... Yeah, that's surprising to me. I liked Crack and Time.

All the other ones. Not. Yeah, no one's talking about all for one. No, no, no, we understand. We understand. But, I mean, at least on the PS2 era, like, they were all great. I loved the first one. Then the second and third, they were great, but I was just like, all right, this is just,

I needed a break, I think. And then so when they came back, I liked them. But then when it got to like deadlocked and stuff, I was like, it's a little overkill. Gotcha. But I'm excited for this to come back. And the fact that it is kind of like a reboot, reimagining, whatever. And it's like a movie tie in, but not really. Like, it's whatever.

People forever have been saying, these games look like Pixar movies. This game looks like a Pixar movie. Yeah. Actually, finally at that point. When you see it, you're like, damn, that's a gameplay. Holy shit. And I love that we're still seeing that. having that moment with video games

because for a while I was just like all right we're close but we're never going to be closer than this you know my problem with it is I feel like I've been talking about it forever this and this fucking movie yeah they announced the movie forever ago talked about the game forever ago and we're still not like the game's not out this year

yeah it is weird and I think it's it's pretty obvious it's because of the movie you know sure oh yeah the game would I'm pretty sure would be done this year we recently got a movie trailer too like a couple weeks ago and it looks good it's definitely not Like the trailer looks like

Here's a funny kid movie Yeah But Ratch and Clank I've always liked it for its writing And for I thought I think it's funny What up TJ Fixman And all that shit But it's

It's good in the same way A Pixar movie's good Where it's kiddie But it's also adults There's something for it Yeah adults get out of it And stuff So I'm excited to see the movie

And I'm excited to play the game And especially the game Because it looks amazing And I haven't had a Ratchet My life for long enough Right I think we're back It's time for another

I was give them shit and say Insomniac, I wish they move away from Ratchet, take a page of this, Ratchez been into the ground, da-da-da-da-da. I personally haven't played a Ratchet game in a while. So I'm in the game, I'm like, yeah, I'll just kick the tires on and see if it hooks me in or not. Yeah, into the Nexus was, I think a testing ground for that with

it going back to the classic formula, it was not really a full game, but it was existed and it's a game that was on PS3 and people enjoyed it. And there were trophies came out for Vita, but I don't think they reported it. So, yeah, I think that it's time to go back. I think the game's probably going to be great. I mean, the core ratchet games are all great. And that's why I was surprised is that people really love the

PS2 trilogy. And they like crack in time, but I think those are the games for a lot of people. That's why I'm excited. I love the first Ratching Kling. I think that was unlike anything I'd ever played before. Yeah, I'm excited about it. It's not a game I'm going to, like, you know, lose any sleepover until it's here. I mean, yeah, it's definitely one of those things where I'm going to play this.

Like, it's one of the games I'm going to play for sure. And I'm excited for it because there's not too many games that I do that for. Yeah. So I'm excited for, but yeah, I don't need it right now. Like, I don't need it this year. So waiting in a couple more months, I'm fine with that. But to me, that's the type of gameplay I like. I like platformers, and I like just like fun Arcady shooting and stuff and wacky, comical things.

And that is ratchet, you know, like all the weapons and stuff. It's like, that's insomniacs thing. It's weird weapons. What's the guy we love so much, Mr. What's his name? Oh, the, I've done this a couple times on different shows. Yeah, I don't remember. I know you're talking about. I'm going to look a lot.

Yeah, I don't even know you're talking about. It's a weapon. Oh, gotcha. Damn it, I don't remember either. I got Grovitron shoved in there. That's not the disco ball you toss up, obviously. Mr. Somebody. Anyways, moving on.

We got some fighting game stuff. Street Fighter 5 release date and Adalcim announced. Very much sooner than I thought. I didn't think, I thought Street Fighter 5 might not even have been until the summer or the fall. So we're getting in February 16. Yeah, it's very soon. PS4 and PC. And then they also announced that there's going to be like six DLC characters next year.

And they're talking more about how this game is going to be like a platform. form for Street Fighter instead of like having Super Street Fighter and all that other stuff, which I think is great. They're making a really good call with all that. And then there's one more character to be announced probably at PSX. People are excited about Street Fighter. It's cool. Yeah, I think that actually, I think you glaze over what was most significant about the announcement,

other than the release date, which was that the six DLC characters will be free if you use the in-game currency. So I thought that was a really interesting move because they're basically saying, as Greg and I talked about on PSI-L-W is that they will certainly be available to buy. you have to imagine, but you can use this in-game currency that you can earn, like anyone can earn the currency, and you can just spend it on the characters and get them for free, which I think is cool. So the roster will be 20, but it'll be 26 by February 2017. So I think that's a...

The cast is not as big as I thought it would be, but that's big enough. And I like that there's... Just as a street... I'm a very passive street fighter fan these days, but I love the series and I love the characters and so. I was really excited to see Dalseam, especially because he's, like, old and he has a huge. He has a beard and stuff. I think it's like a cool evolution as opposed to what they did to Ken, where they kind of fucked up, Ken. I love how you say that just based on his hair

Yeah well not and just I mean Everything's different is you know You can give in different outfits and he just doesn't look I can at all You know like that's not like doesn't like People are changing a blonde white guy And a red kimono is They got rid of Ryu and replace him with Nick

That's weird I do like how there's a lot of new characters And a lot of weird characters that they brought back Like I thought it was cool to bring Birdie in And you know this new Laura character is pretty cool So I am interested to see what the final character is I assume it's got to be an existing character. Like,

guile or something. I, you know, because there's just too many, I feel like, in my opinion, as just a, again, a passive Street Fighter fan,

I know people like our friend Vince at IGN would be excited about testing new characters and figuring them out. I do feel like there's, it seems to be quite a few weird characters from the past or new characters

and not enough. Oh, gee, homies, I mean, but that was Street Fighter 4, though, you know, and I think that they're trying to do

something at least a little bit different initially. Like, we can suspect that within three years, all the characters are going to be playable again, because especially at least when I say all, I'm talking about the street fairs two cast, you know, even with all the extra, the extra. It would be cool to see Charlie instead of Guyle, actually, but I like Charlie, actually more than Guyle. Isn't Charlie in it in five? Oh, no, you're right.

He is in it. Yeah, I think he was like one of the first ones now. That's why I don't think Kyle would be in. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. That's true. No, I was like, I don't think he is, but then I'm like, I saw a guy doing like flash kicks and stuff like that. I'm pretty sure he was one of the first

So you're absolutely right He is in it So yeah And I guess that does solve the The American Air Force Dude Bro contingent The random characters I've always really loved

In street fight I've always loved like quirky I like Dan Just because he's making fun of everyone Which I think is cool I love his like super and alpha three Like you use all of your energy And it's just like

It's just a fireball Does it go anywhere You know like I think it's like He's just a funny A funny character I always liked Cody Although Cody's really not a street fighter character I think Cody's like a final fight character

but I loved I loved an alpha three I think it was off three might have been alpha two just he had a knife and you can like drop it and pick it up and do more damage and he's like handcuffed I just like the idea of like a prisoner like handcuffed and he's still fighting whatever I always liked to relento I thought he was over the top

but he got a lot of play I think in in four in four so yeah there's there's you know ways they can go be you know T Hawk or DJ and he's like you know Cammy, like those characters in it They don't seem to touch Too much. Camys out of those four characters That were introduced in Super Street Fighter

Don't seem to get as much play As Cammy does, so I don't know if you want to go in that direction. I like Rose, I think there's, I don't know, there's a lot of interesting characters. I wish the roster was a little bit bigger, but again, it's not a game I'm really gonna mess around with. I just like watching people play it And I like just reading about it and so that's one of the I'm feeling it's gonna be a new character

that was introduced in four that comes back. But I don't know. Oh, what's that? Yeah, what is the, Yeah, Rufus would be an interesting, the fat guy. Yeah, I mean, I don't even know who's in the roster, like, for sure right now. I know there's like 15 announced, but see Viper. Oh, Crimson Viper. Back yet or not.

Yeah, I don't know. She was cool. She was fucking awesome. She could be. She was a really cool character. Likely. Mr. Zircon. Mr. Zircon.

Mr. Zircon does not approve. Yeah. And then more fighting game news. Tekken 7 coming to PS4, announced by Bandai Namco. not exclusive, but they didn't mention the other... I think it's coming to PS4 first, maybe. I don't know. That was a whole...

That whole part of the presentation was a little awkward and weird and very... Yeah, the transition in between Street Fighter and then when they're like, we're going to announce the last character, the 17th character, 16th character, whatever. It's the guy who does tech. Oh, okay. Yeah, because Yoshino... Yoshinoi Ono is a fucking legend. Like, just absolutely legendary.

I've been to so many weird conferences with him. I remember going to a Darkstalkers panel where he was... like made everyone hold up a dollar bill so that he can take a picture so that they can prove to Capcom that people wanted dark stalkers and then they released for a dollar and no one wanted it so that was kind of the jokes on him I guess but he's just an a legend he's just a legend

he's a funny dude and and so he's and and what's the tech guy Hamada I think um Hamada son um different more buttoned up kind of guy but the transition between them was weird and I thought it was interesting that um when they When he came out, I was like, oh, they're going to finally talk about Tekken versus Street Fighter or whatever?

Yeah, or Cross Street Fighter, which is just... Well, I think they eventually did cancel that. I don't think so. I thought that they said that it was still in development. Really? Yeah. I'm pretty sure I remember, like, maybe a year ago. This is why we do need phones.

I was yelling at you before, but actually, we need you really bad. Yeah, it's important. Moving off from that. Gearbox is Battleborn getting beta next year, coming to PlayStation 4 first. Yeah. But people like it, though. I was watching the internet yesterday. People on Twitter, they're really into this whole beta idea for this game.

Yeah, well, when we had Randy on our conference at our conference, our show at GameStop Expo in September, he showed us the game and it looked, it looked cool and I understand it. And it might be a game fun to mess around with. The thing that I never got around to ask him because we had such a little amount of time is that that name is fucking awful. That is maybe the worst video game name I've ever heard in my entire life. Battleborn? I don't know about it worst. Battleborn. Battleborn.

That's the name of the game? All right. Like, I just, it's such a disappointing name. It's like when I used to talk about Specops the Line, which is one of my favorite games

on PS3. It would have been so much cooler but it was just called the line. You know? Battleborn, which is like such an unspired game, especially from the studio that gives it's borderlands.

Like that borderline is such an awesome name. Battleborn. It's so, genetic, or genetic, generic. Herodda, confirm the game is still in development.

Oh, wow. The reason for the scare, I'm sorry, the reason for the scarce information is due to Bandai Namco waiting for the opportunity to market it. In 2015, Arata stated development has come far along. I remember reading that.

Wow. Man, I don't know where. So when that happened, I was like, oh. Here we go. Yeah, like that was exactly, Tekken 7's an exciting announcement, especially because it seems like a prequel story to Tekken fans. But I was, when that happened, I was like, oh, shit.

Like, okay. That's shocking to me. I mean, I'm sure I'm not the only one I thought that. That's crazy. And the new game announcement, Boundless. It looks like Portal. and it looks gorgeous. I want to play that.

Yeah. That looks awesome. I'm waiting for more information. Yeah, I don't really have anything to say about. I mean, just the little we saw that. I was like, man, this looks like a game that I would be really good too. That's the one where I was like, no man's sky.

And then I was like, wait, why's he got a hammer? This isn't a no man's going to talk. All right. And then we're like, is this tomorrow children? Did something change? Yeah, like that was the vibe. That's all right. That's what I remember is it looks like a Minecraft.

Almost looks like Minecraft. Yeah. Or at least it didn't look like Minecraft in the immediacy of it, but it looked like when you When you went to the first portal. Yeah, and then you looked around and it all seemed very intentionally blocky.

And so it did remind me that tomorrow children at first which is Q Games, PS4 exclusive that has just disappeared off the face of the planet. And I was like, and that's why I said,

Greg, I'm like this tomorrow children. Did they just, did they disappear to do the art differently or something like that? But it wasn't,

um, I was surprised that the tomorrow children wasn't there although I think it'll be a PSX. The game exists. It's been at trade shows, right? It was playable on the E3 show floor?

Or was that last one. And they did it a public alpha. I think we might have still been in IGN. I don't, but if not that, it was like early in 2015, but I actually think it was in 2014. Like,

I, I'd interviewed them at, last time I was in Tokyo when we were still at IGN, they were talking about the game, and I could have, I, I could be wrong,

but I thought that the insinuation was that it would have been out early to mid-2015, so it's, but maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I was just surprised that we haven't seen anything

of it. It's just kind of disappeared. Sony is dumping money in that game, so, I don't know. Housemark announces Matterfall? Fuck yeah. Which was crazy.

what it was Michael Denny right there he comes out and he's like talking about House Mark the logo behind it he's like they're working on Alien Nation but I'm here to announce a new game like what the fuck I was like yes so the first thing is that everyone's like was alienation canceled no alienation's coming out in March and that comes from Housemark who said that's what Sony is aiming for Sony's aiming for it

what that tells me is that the game might be done or that they've moved on that's a small team so I and they already have House Mark I don't know how much they scaled I reached out to my friends McHall and Tomoso So at Housemark and I was talking to them via email. And I'm not sure how much they've scaled up, but what's clear to me is that they have three games in development.

So they have Matterfall and Alienation, which is probably done. And then they have their Jarvis game still that they haven't announced. Or they've announced, but they've not revealed yet. So Sony's deep in bed with them still. They have two X-Dv Sony exclusive games going on right now. Matterfall seems to me to Housemark going. like we have this awesome voxel, weird technology we made with Rezogun, what can we do with it? And to people's perception of what the game is, I think, is correct that it's going to be a side-scrolling.

It's going to be exactly what they do every time, which is Twin-Sticks. I mean, that's what they do. Alienation is a twin-stick shooter. Resilgun is a twin-stick shooter. SuperDust is a Twin-Stick shooter. Dead Nations is a twin-stick shooter. But Outland was not a twin-stick shooter. Outland was like a very

polarity base like Ikar, what was that? Ikaruga almost type side scrolling game. Which was fucking, it was a fucking awesome game. Awesome game. But that was very different. So maybe this will be a side scrolling shooter in some way. But when I first saw it, the trailer,

because I've never seen a trailer from a housemark like that ever. So I don't know if they did that on house. Sony might have done it. But my instincts were at first of all, I will, you know, Greg. I'm like, they're going to make a triple A game. Like, are they actually going to make. The best thing is it looks like that.

I don't think it is. I don't think it is a profile. Beginning when you were behind them, yes, but then they did a thing where they swung and he was running and he was running. This is like our proof of concept game playing. You're going to be running, shooting things, blowing them up and to be able to run backwards and be wrapping around like Reso guns. Yeah, so I think it is, I think it's my, my, what I suspect is that it is a reworked reso gun. And I don't know if it's that simple. Sure. There's more to it, I'm sure. Because Stardust is on a, you know, Stardust is on a flat plane.

Detonation's like top down, like almost isometric or whatever you want to call, but really just like a, you know. Three-fourth. Yeah, yeah, three, like, exactly. And so you assume that Resolgun is a new way for them to do a game, which is inspired really by Defender, which where Jarvis comes in in his own game. So, um, taking place on like a loop, which I think is cool.

And reservoir gun is, it's good. That's a really cool. That was my, that was my, that was my most that was my biggest announcement for me. Yeah,

by far. No man sky. The release date was probably the biggest announcement for a lot of other people. So we got a June release area. June 26th. Yeah. Yeah.

That was such a fucking stupid rumor. That was so obviously not going to happen. haven't. Sony would not do that to that game. Yeah, but people, you know, they want to get excited about stuff and they're like, oh, it'd be cool. Yeah, no, well, that's one thing, but then websites are reporting like, our sources tell us that, you know, I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? You think Sony's gonna shit out no man's sky in the middle of October? With like, no, just no warning a week and a half or two weeks before Fallout comes out. Three weeks before Battlefront comes out, Halo comes out on the other console. There's a lot of competition called duties a week away.

It's like, what are you nuts? Like, this isn't a game you release now. And this is not a game, and if you did release it now, it's a game that you, it's a game that you, you're, you're you like promote promote yeah market exactly so that was such a dumb i mean when i read that i was like that is the stupidest thing i've ever read before a june release date though man it's that's that's doesn't sound good to me like i've definitely sounds perfect yeah really yeah last of us the last one man yeah well i know and i mean that worked for great for them but like i think that this game should be a february release like this should be i think this would clean up in in february in june i guess a lot of what i'm saying comes down to all the people that

are going to be talking about this game are going to be at E3. Yeah, but that happens every year and we get our perspective shifted that all of us go to E3 and we're like, ah, what a dumb time to release games. But in reality, people at home reading about E3 going, man, I wish I had something amazing to play right now.

They're going to be like, oh, wait, fuck. That's how it's been with Last of Us Batman. Also, it's surprising though, because this game definitely to me feels like a spring game more than a summer. There's so much in the spring now. The spring's so crowded. You know what I mean? Spring is the new fall. You figure Sony lays out their stuff, right? And they must have this gap

there because it's what uncharted in March, then you figure hopefully Horizon in the fall, what is your summer game? Well, it's this thing we put on the Colbert report, or whatever the hell he calls the show now and all this other stuff, you know, that we've been talking about forever. Yeah, I think the, what we're missing surprisingly is I think that I think this tells us that PlayStation VR is going to come out in June 2.

Which seems so late. You know what I mean? I could have sworn they were talking spring and stuff, and that's why PSX I thought they'd be like, all right, it's coming out April. You know what I mean? Whatever, May. But I'm, you know, I've been, I've been making the prediction. I've been making the prediction.

No, Greg, Greg, they make the prediction. And that's the thing is that it's all based, what I'm saying is based on conjecture because they have not confirmed that PSVR and No Man's Sky are compatible with each other, but they must be, right? I mean, you have to assume that that that is a huge miss

if they don't do that. And I think it's obvious, and I think that's why the game might even be taking so long. I mean, me too. That's the only reason I can think that it is coming out in June. Because, like I said, I do feel like it's an earlier game than that. And the VR, not being ready till then,

does make sense. Right. And it gives people time. I mean, maybe VR does come out in April and the game comes out later. And I don't think it's going to be VR exclusive, obviously. So it doesn't really matter if it's coupled with VR, but it makes PSVR more compelling thing if you have a few games of that caliber release because I'm sure they'll have like E Valcreen and a few other things that are really great too.

But yeah, No Man Sky looks cool. I'm super skeptical about it still. I think it's healthy to be skeptical about a game like this because it's promising a great deal. And the team is so small. I do not see the congruent nature between the size of the team and the scope of the game. I don't quite know how they're doing it. And it is based on procedural. mutual math. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, the planets are being made on the fly as far, you know, like, like they're, you know, they're there and it's just based on, you know, a sort of algorithm that they've created. So I think that they can, it can make it as big as you want. But what I'm curious about with No Man's Sky as, as Greg and I have discussed in the past is, will it be, what will the loop be like? What will the cycle be like? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And is it going to be compelling for five hours? Is it going to be compelling for a 50 or 100? Because I, I, I, I really feel like this game not having,

really messed around with it. Greg's played it. But not having messed around with it, but just watching and reading and kind of just thinking about it, I hope it's not one of those things that gets old, like really quick. I hope that there's more than just seeing things. Because imagine what happens if you go to 10 different planets

and on the 10th planet, on the first planet, you find this certain kind of animal, right? And you identify and log in, yeah, logging and all that kind of stuff. And then the 10th planet you go to three hours later, you have a palette swap of that same animal. And then suddenly the wonder's taken out of it.

You know? Like how dynamic and big is this game really going to be? And how granular does it really get? I believe that they can deliver on it, but I am skeptical that it's going to be this fucking mind-altering game that everyone thinks it's going to be or a lot of people think it's going to be.

I'm going to wait and see approach. And this is one of those ones where I hope I'm dead fucking wrong. You know, because if it is what it sounds like it's going to be. Sounds great. Yeah. I mean, that's the game I talk about all the time. Like I picture sitting on that couch with the PlayStation VR on, you know, an hour

every night or whatever, chilling out before bed, cruising the galaxy. The other thing, Greg, that we haven't talked about is that if they, if they announced that PlayStation, if they say No Man Sky is not PlayStation VR compatible, that's one of those things where we talk about what games belong in VR, what games get you excited, that would

be such a major disappointment. That would be like one of the first disappointments I would have had, or maybe the first VR disappointment I've had where it's like, but you know, yeah, you don't want to put uncharted, it doesn't make any sense. It's in third person you don't want to do, but this is made for this. And I really just do believe that if you read between the lines

it's obvious if you knock that out then it's like what are the pillars holding up PlayStation VR then it's it's rigs and it's Eve Valky and it's like those are cool I'm not excited for those games like I'm excited for the idea of no man sky and it's this weird thing of where no man sky makes me excited for PlayStation VR

and PlayStation VR makes me really excited for no man sky like I'm in no man sky no matter what I'm playing it but the idea of like putting it on and just the chill music because I don't want the combat you know of like e-Valky all the time. You know what I mean?

I'm gonna want to play that game every so often do cool shit with it. But just chilling out, landing on a planet, figuring out what's happening. Oh, this guy's bad.

I run away. I'm terraforming it. I'm screwing stuff up, collecting shit. Like, that sounds fun and cool and it sounds like, it sounds like Minecraft in VR, right?

But space Minecraft ability to jump around. If they can deliver on that, at least partially at launch and then attitude as they go, awesome. But yeah, if it's just another game I'm playing,

cool, I'm in, I'm going to do it, but I don't see it being as, I don't think it being the experience You know what I mean? Kind of just rushing through some of these So we can move on to the next topic. Verizon Zero Dawn

That looked awesome. Yeah, that's exactly what I saw. So that was what was interesting to me Behind closed doors. Yeah, so when I saw the game at E3 in an extended demo that is exactly what I saw. Everything about it. I don't know if they were in a different location

didn't look like they were. We were watching it in standard up because we were having internet problems. But what I saw was basically what we saw at E3. Everyone saw it at E3, but played a different way. And they went to a river,

shot these trip wires lured the herd into them to collect all the parts then they fought the huge dinosaur they stopped in my demo at E3 behind those doors they stopped it yeah the fake crap or whatever to like to you know flip the camera around and show how big the animal is the creature is

so that is what I saw I was disappointed in that in a way but to Greg's point that he made when we were talking about it it's like it's nice to not see it again I don't know that I need to see any more about that game that game is going to be fucking awesome I feel it you know Like, you just know it.

Yeah. That game's going to be something special if they can just put all those disparate parts together. An action RPG made by Guerrilla just sounds. Sounds awesome. Uncharted 4, we saw a multiplayer trailer. I thought the trailer was really cool. Yeah, it got me excited. Like I said, you know, I was a huge Uncharted 2 multiplayer fan.

Three felt like more of the same. But now watching this one for four, like the mystical stuff, the ability to call in AI helpers. They call them sidekicks, medical bombs and stuff. I was like, okay, that seems like a lot of fun. Changing it up and add some stuff. So that should be cool. Then they did the whole PlayStation VR stuff. Well, there was dreams, which like, I don't know if you guys have a different opinion on, but I was like, this looks, I'm not happy about this.

Yeah, I'm not either. Who's this for? What is the point of this? I agree, man. I think that they made it a little more coherent what the game was going to be, but I still think there's a lot of incoherence. It's one of those things where the further you fall down that rabbit hole, answering questions gives you five more questions now. Yeah. And I really, I feel like the way I feel.

Some people are mad, and PS, I love you the last episode because they feel like I'm writing it off. And I'm like, that's fine. if you feel that way, it's not the way I feel at all. What I would say is that I don't want to play games to make the game that I'm going to play. Media Molecule is very creative and they're very artistic. Make a game and give it to me to play it. That's what they did with Taraway. There was no creation in Terraway.

I understand that that's the heritage with a little... You went through and you created the faces of what I'm talking about though, Greg. It has a linear, it has a linear like campaign. Right, but they still put the onus on you to do things. I mean, this is rehashing PSI Love You, I still think it's just like you're coming at it from one perspective and they're coming from the exact opposite of they're not, you're like, make me a game and they're like, we made you the game, but the experiences you, you participate in it.

And then maybe that's not an experience for you. Well, this doesn't look like that's, though. At least from what I've seen, it does look like it's a bit more, just make stuff. Like I don't, but that's, but I mean like, it's because we're getting it in like grains of rice. You know what the first time we're like, what the fuck is this? And then the next one was like, here's a level where we, you do need to plant trees and put the house down or whatever.

Like I was saying, maybe the objective is just put the house down and maybe that's like the third level or whatever you just didn't. But then the question comes up and I understand that this is maybe antithetical to what they're trying to do. Clearly it is, but like, okay, so maybe you have to put the trees down in the house down. Maybe you just put the house down. My question is, why aren't the trees in the house just there? You know? Because this is

because, like, why does it have to be so fucking complicated? You know, like, this is the weird, this is the weird direction that I think that studio goes into and I have a lot of respect for what they did and what they do and I appreciate your open-mindedness about it and I am more open-minded than it might sound because I think that there's, they have a marketing problem with this game.

100% I agree with that. And they have to start. They know they're not stupid. This is a game. You're going to send this game out to die if people don't know what it is. And they haven't had a hit really since a little big planet and a little big planet too. So Taraway did fine on Vita and people liked it critically, but it didn't sell that well there. And I imagine that no one really cares about it on PS4.

I could be wrong. People care. You're going to see comments on people care, but it didn't sell units. You didn't move units. No one's talked to me about that game. You know what I mean? Like no one. People talking about those obscure shit you've ever heard about.

Well, they come with you, this stuff they know you like. Yeah, well, that's true. So I just, what frustrates me is that they have these medium molecule out of all of Sony's studios. And maybe all the studios in the entire world have like the weirdest minds, the most creative, like, vision for what they want to make their games. And to me, it's like, okay, that's fantastic. Use that energy to make it and make your vision. I want to see what you want me to play, you know? Not what you want me to make you to make me play.

Basically, it was like, what you know what I, like, and I'm like, that's just, that's, it's, it's. to say, I know it is a personal preference kind of thing. You're trying to put them in a box. And nobody puts medium molecule on a box. You know, you understand what I'm saying. I think a lot of people out there agree with me. Like, I would love to see them just take the shackles off of this whole like share, create thing and just make it. Just make a fucking awesome game that's so fucking zany and weird and medium molecule. Don't worry about all those shit. And just let me play it. You know, I don't like the move like the controller and that's like, oh, Jesus Christ. You know, I don't, I'm not excited about it at all. But like I, but we haven't seen enough of it. And I'm going to keep it over my mind. one of those looking back at Little Big Planet and then

tear away on Vita, right? Like, we say all that and do this and stuff and it's just like, I never thought the levels in Little Big Planet were all that amazing. Like, there were great ones. There's the very end one that I'll never forget when I was trying to platinum it and I was fucking screaming into a pillow because I don't want to wake up my girlfriend. And like, you know what I mean? There's stuff like that, but it's like, yeah, there were quirky characters, but there were a lot of just,

what is this nonsense? What are all these Tim Burton characters talking to me? But to that point, Greg, yeah, that's true. But what if the onus on the Little Big Planet was all the campaign, then what? You know what I mean? Because they had to worry about creation tools and making a bunch of different shit and all this kind. You know what I mean? I respect the idea of saying like this can be a racing game. This can be a sandbox game. This can be whatever you want. But I'm like,

I really just want to see what you want me to play. And if this is, and if this is it, then maybe I'm just not, I'm just not, my interests are not parallel at all to there. Sure. They're just totally ignorant, you know. And that's disappointing. There's a ton of other things that happened. Wild got announced. We saw Detroit become human. Yeah, we did. Those are big games. Wild is far off, I think. But look, I mean, they said that.

But it looks cool. I love the idea. It was a little confusing. The rabbit animation. Very cute. Very cute. I like the idea that doesn't seem like a direct combat game at all. It's third person.

It's open world, but it's based on like using animals. I think that's a really nice idea. I don't know anything that really does that. And in Detroit, we should just very excited. Fuck, we should just spend an entire topic on Detroit. I have a lot to say about that game. If you want more information on that, definitely check out.

PS I love you, XOXO. He's wrapping a episode. Yeah, we're getting played out. We're going long on this one. We're coming up on 40 minutes. That's what happens when PlayStation's the difference. But I do want to talk about until dawn rush of blood before we move on for a second. So it's exciting and upsetting.

What's exciting about it? What's exciting is I think it looks fun. Sure. I think that it's something. Did you watch the gameplay of it and stuff? There was like a, I watched the six minute like IG and put up. Yeah. Play through.

Yeah. And I'm like, this looks awesome. This looks like a lot of fun. This looks scary. This looks like what I want from VR. It reminds me of those old, like, arcade machines where you'd go and kind of sit in the roller coasters and, like, go through it. And it's all crazy. And it's like, I loved that when I was a kid.

And now having to be interactive and a game being made out of it reminds me of Disneyland, like with the Buzz Lightyear game. Right. Right, right, right, right. Everyone knows well. Arcade games. Carnival games, as I call them. But not carnival games, the PlayStation movie. But it looks fun.

Like, it looks fun. And it's VR. It's a game. It's an experience, but it's also a game. You get to play it. Cool. Doesn't need the Until Dawn branding. And that's the problem.

And I think that, you know, everyone's going to bitch about it and complain because like, oh, this is stupid. But that's going to help it sell better. And who cares, really at the end of the day? Because does that then ruin some of, does it take away from what Until Dawn is? Are you less excited for Until Dawn? Whatever their next, whatever their next real Until Dawn game is. And does anyone ever want to put out a game where you're like, that's not a real Until Dawn? until dawn. That's not a real ration clanking.

That's not a real. I can think of very few games where I'm like, that's not a real X and it was amazing. But see, that's the thing is I think that people get caught up in this. You look at all the Zelda stuff or Mario stuff and there are the people like, oh, it's not a real Mario. It's like, but I mean, but that's the same thing though. Or Zelda. Like all

these, like Triforce Heroes or whatever. Yeah, my Triforce Heroes is in a real Zelda game and I do sympathize with people that feel that way, right? Like, that's not a Zelda game. I know. That's the point. Who cares? It's not. Like, let's just start there. It's not. Is it a good game or not? And so it's like, yeah, could it have been something else?

Yes, but then it wouldn't have sold. You know, so it's totally a marketing thing. You know, it is. I mean, it's definitely a marketing thing. The unfortunate thing is, and I, to Greg's point, is that until Dawn exists as one game, one property. And people like it. It's critically a hit and it's doing way better, I think, than Sony anticipated it was going to do. Cinderella story.

So now there's going to be two untoldong games. And you're going to look at the both of them and be like, okay, one is this really brilliant horror game, teen horror, nothing like it. Right? It's very brilliant. Outquantic dream, Quantic Dream, Quantic Dream. The other game is an on-rail shooter that you use in VR.

And I'm like, okay, well, so what is until Dawn now? Like, what, why does this? I agree. I think the game looks fine. I mean, it's probably, it's probably gonna be fun, but I'm like,

why does this have to be until Dawn based? And I think it is a marketing thing, but I think that, you know, this is like easy gains now that can injure you later. I'm not gonna say it's gonna, I'm not gonna say it's gonna,

I'm not gonna injure the brand or whatever like that they might not do another until dawn. If Super Mastiff makes another game, It might just have a different name entirely. Sure. Which maybe makes more sense since the entire chapter structure was why it was called Until Dawn. But I just don't understand why this is an Until Dawn game.

That's like saying like London Studio, Sony London is doing the heist. Why not just call it getaway, colon the heist? You know, it'll sell better. It's a getaway game. But everyone knows that getaway and to the lesser extent of sequel, but getaway is a beloved PS2 game. And that's not a getaway game. So it's the same thing. Like, Sony Lonnie can back, well, we made fucking the getaway.

So this is called Getaway Colin the Heist now. You know, every know, it has nothing to do with what getaway, what Getaway was. You know, so, what makes me want a getaway game so bad. Why are we talking about the Getaway? No, I want to getaway. So I don't know. I understand what you're saying, and I think it's going to be fine on its own, but it's just like, we don't have to abuse IP like this.

And it's especially strange to me. Although I do love, as we talked about on the show, PlayStation Lifestyle, interviewed Pete Samuels, who's the executive director, I think, the executive producer at Supermassive, and he totally let the cat out of the bag like a month ago. But that was cool the way he did, right? And then you brought it up and I was like,

really? Is that really what he's teasing? Or is that, you know, that was a fun little thing? Because they were, they were asking him about VR and DLC for until dawn. He's like, we have no plan, blah, blah, blah, we have no plans for DLC. We're, look at the VR, you know, I'm just paraphrasing. But we don't know what we're going to do with it unless someone has a sudden rush of the head. And at that point, we left out head, remember, it was just unless somebody gets a sudden rush of blood. Right, right.

I was like, what a weird way to say that? Do you speak English natively? That's hilarious. And then a week later. Good for him. Good for him. Yeah, so guys, thank you for being here with us. If you want to hear more about all that stuff in great, great detail.

How long was that episode? Not much longer than this segment. Yeah, it was an hour and 10, 20? No, hour and 10 is. It was a supplemental episode, though. Usually we go about 90 minutes. In total, you got like three hours of PSI love you that day. Yeah, so go check it out.

iTunes.com slash kind of funny. Topic two. Hey, guess what? Yes. This has never happened in eight years of podcasting, but I have to go to the bathroom. Yeah. So I'm sorry on the day where I know we have other things going on. No, it's fine.

You can roll if you want, but I'll be super quick. So second topic, predictions for the rest of the year. You know, we got two months left. So I kind of want to look forward at all the things that are going to happen. Sure. And how we think they're going to. Uncharted for not coming out this year. Okay.

Take it to the bank. Okay. They're not going to do that. Now I'm not going to do a surprise release on you. Mm-hmm. Fall out four is going to blow everyone away. So, I mean, that's the thing. Do you guys really think the fallout four is going to, you know, kind of reach expectations?

I think it's going to exceed expectations. I think that if you look at the way Witcher 3 did, which destroyed, and it's like the fucking nerdiest game possible. I mean, we talked about that on a Colin and Greg Lave a couple of times where a CD Project Red over in Eastern Europe was like, we can't believe like how many games is sold. And we can't believe like the people that played it. They're like this core people obviously played it, but casual people who are not apparently that casual anymore, have played the game. So, Fallout 4 is going to fucking murder. I would not be surprised. I know this is a bold, bold prediction, but stick with me.

Country for country. So not cumulatively, I wouldn't be surprised at Fallout 4 was the best-selling game of the year. So what I'm saying by that is that call of duty sells 8 million copies in the United States, right? 10 million copies in the United States. I bet you fallout four sells just as many in the United States, you know, or whatever it is, 5 million, 6 million, whatever it's going to be. especially because the last-gen Call of Duty games are campaignless, so they're kind of shutting that down. There's a very limited number of consoles out there that can play

compared to the last-gen-Call-Duty game, so it's going to maybe limit the numbers more. And that might benefit in some sort of universe fallout four. I don't know if it's likely, but I wouldn't be surprised if Fallout 4, it just comes out and just fucking clobbers everything around it. I guarantee you. Do you think that's a bold kind of thing to say that it might not sell Call of Duty?

Yeah, but it's not crazy. That's the thing. You know what I mean? It is unlikely, but not greater. What we're talking about with it is, I think this, stick with me. It's a similar argument to how you always try to convince people how well persona five is going to do. Is that the groundwork has been laid here. Fallout 3 came out, right?

And people were excited for it. We were all excited for it. We jumped in. But it was a lot of people's first fallout, similar to how persona 3 or persona 4 were people's first personas, right? And then you've had how many years now? What was that? 2008? No, so seven years now of people talking.

about how awesome this game was. And how many people do we have hit us up every day saying, I'm gonna get Fallout 4. Should I go back and play Fallout 3? They didn't even play those. Now they just know it's one of those things where it's fever pitch. And Bethesda recognize that.

I'm sure they've seen it in their sales, in the pit boys, in the tattoos of the Vault Bowl. You know what I mean? Like people have been excited for Fallout as a franchise now for seven years and they're starving for it. So they get to come out and do, hey, 83, yes, it's true.

Yes, it's real. And it's coming out on this, abbreviated cycle you weren't expecting except Colin. And then, you know, we're not going to show you much of the game. And what we do show you is a vertical slice where guess what? It looks awesome. And that's the whole thing of like Fallout 4. For Fallout 4 to be a success, it needs to be a prettier Fallout 3.

Done. That's it. That's all they need to do. Put in just as many jokes and references and American pop culture and cool characters and memorable moments and stuff. If you do all that and make it look a little bit better, everyone's going to be thrilled. And that's why, yes, it's going to exceed expectations. expectations unless it's broken as fuck.

If it comes out and there's a giant game breaking bug and da-da-tah-tah and it's... Yeah, I don't think it will be. I don't either. I don't either. And that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I think, you know, so I want to re-establish like what I'm saying because I don't know that, I don't know that fallout four because it's not on as many consoles as Call of Duty could.

That's the one for pound beat it. But I wonder if console per console it's going to be, it's going to be able to beat it. In other words, PS4 to Xbox 1, Xbox 1, PC, especially PC. Because the modding community. PC. You know, so the reason I'm saying is the reason I'm being so bullish

about Fallout is just based on the numbers we're seeing for these other random fucking games like Dying Light sold millions of copies you know Witcher 3 sold millions and millions of copies Yep

So it's it's So these are like These open world vast nonlinear games Are like what people are hungry for Combine that with the fact that they smartly As I did predict it And I'm so happy it was true That Fallout would be announced at E3

and come out by the end of the year, this abbreviated schedule that keeps pounding you in the fucking face because it's not like they announced it 18 months ago. They're like, all right, and that's it. And then a year later, they're like, okay, let's talk about it. And everyone's like, I forgot this was even really happening. This has been on everyone's radar since the moment it happened because it was already on the horizon.

Like you saw a little pit boy kind of riding on the hill and he was kind of getting already real close to you. So I think that this game is just going to slaughter. So, I mean, one of my major predictions is that fallout four is going to fucking kill. Like, it's, like, I don't know what the numbers are going to be. All I know is that the big franchises, like, call of duty are a going to have fucking crazy competition this year from the like the battlefront and halo and that you're going to see you see plateauing numbers that i think this year actually

going to start the fall i would not be surprised if year over year this is the call of duty actually sells less than call duty to last year if that's true battlefront kills halo kills there's only so much time in the day fallout it's a different kind of game i can see fallout for being the champion and the thing about it like you know what i mean the fact that what we've seen was so brief is that like you know today on connor gory glives or yeah it was coniguel somebody asked us right like are we excited to how much time do you think you're going to put into building out your settlements and stuff and it was literally one of those things like who the fuck knows we've seen it for two seconds i have no idea what that feels like there's so much beyond the start screen in that game that i don't know what i'm getting into and that's what's so exciting about it that's why i think it'll be easily over your expectation and unlike call of duty or even halo or even battlefront fallout four is going to sell for years so it's another one of those like the burn on fallout three must be so extraordinary like they must just look at their ledger every month and be like, I can't believe this game still is selling like this.

They must, I mean, they must literally sell like 50, 100,000 copies of that game still a month. You have to assume, you know, you have to just assume that it's, that's just an assumption, but you have to assume that it's just one of those games that just won't go away. It's like oblivion or Skyrim. These games sold extremely well, and I think people underestimate the hunger for these kinds of games. So that's one of my major predictions is that everyone's like, I've been talking about like Tomb Raider and Fallout,

how fallout's going to cannibalize Tomb Raider. and everyone's like, you know, different audiences and even Aaron Greenberg said that. And I agree to that to a sense. But Tomb Raiders is the least of your fucking worries. It's obviously going to destroy Tomb Raider. The question is, what is it going to do to the major players around it? Yeah. And how will those major players affect Call of Duty?

In a situation where I think people are increasingly now suffering from Call of Duty fatigue. I think that you're going to start to see it. And it's not earned on a game by game basis because I think the games are great. It is earned on just like shoving it down your throat basis. The other game we're going to see it, see, right? ride or die is Assassin's Creed, which is already out. And I'm really interested to see how that game does. Because I just don't feel like anyone cared about that game.

Well, critically, it's interesting to see how Assassin's Creed and Halo are doing, and they're both getting really good reviews. Do you think that Call of Duty is going to kind of stay on trend and get the same? Oh, I'm sure Call of Doodoo is going to get great scores. Because it's a great game. I'm sure it's going to be a great game. I have no doubt about that. But a lot of great games come out.

And when you look at your shelf and you're like, Jesus Christ, I have eight Call of Duty games on my shelf from eight years. And I don't have time. Oh, and Battlefront's coming out. I'm real excited about Star Wars. Oh, and Halo game. A new Halo game is out, and I can get my shooter fixed there. And then you just see this one beacon that's totally different than everything around it.

And that works to its benefit, man. Yep. You know, absolutely. 100%. They could have released that game the same day is called duty, and it would have done just as well, I think. Because that really is a different game. I think you're going to see that everything we just talked about. I think you'll see Tomb Raider totally struggle, not turn big numbers.

I think the same thing for just cost three. I think the fact that it's coming out after Black Friday Hertz as usual. I think it's going to be an awesome game. You guys has done. I've watched a lot of footage and stuff. It's cool and it's fun, but I remember that being the, that's what we talked about for Just Cause 2 as well. And Just Cause 2 came out on an awkward time as well where it just didn't get get, it had, it has its following, but it didn't get big. There's another game that's not going to get big.

Not that it'll be bad by any means. I'm totally stoked for it. I do, I disagree with you in the sense that I don't think Just Cause 3 is going to be like the sales darling or anything like that. I do think, and I was talking to the guys about, you know, to the guy when we went to the Let's play, I was like, you know, I think that the conventional wisdom of not releasing games in December is, wrong and that if you can get your game out early in December you're probably okay Black Friday's one thing but people aren't looking for new video game software that just came out on Black Friday in my opinion I mean like what are you gonna save like two dollars on it like there's an MSRP on the game that's what the charge of a

certain amount of it's what parents are looking for sure but what they're looking for those days is like hardware can I get $30 off the hardware if I do this out of the other thing like the game's gonna cost $60 no one's gonna walk into a into a store unless the unless the companies want to eat it because games have to be sold at a certain price I mean that's you know there are like rules about those kinds. Sure, but there's Black Friday deals on games all the time.

No, I understand that, but what I'm saying is that if Just Cause had come out a week before Black Friday, they're really going to cut $20 off of a brand new game. Like, this seems like it lets it exist on its own and everything's already out.

And then by December, fallout comes out November 10th. A lot of people might be straight up done with that game by December 1st and maybe even before that. But that's when I think you start working your way backwards on what you've missed, your Tomb Raiders, your battlefronts,

what's happening here. I mean, like, what you're talking about, keep in mind too, I'm talking critically and for game the year. Like we saw this with Far Cry 3. Far Cry 3 came out in December. Mitch bang the drum. This game is awesome. You guys need to talk about it. We need to do it.

And like, yeah, we'll get to it. I have a million other things to get to it. And by the time we got to it, Game of the Year had already been voted for. And you're like, fuck, this was a great game. And he was right. And it deserved at least a nomination. I'm pretty sure I got a nomination front. Yeah. Because we had had weeks with these other games that were like, these are fucking great. And I'm not saying

those games sucked in comparison to Far Cry. But it's like, Far Cry got the short in the stick there. And that's where I think it's this giant thing of like, Where do you think this game's going to go? Yeah, but that isn't the problem of the consumer, right? Like, no one cares about if it gets a game of the year nomination or not. Or, like, that's the problem of the publisher and maybe the outlets. The fact is it's the same conventional wisdom that was bucked with dying light.

Like, no one thinks that a game should be released in January, even early February, although February is becoming more in vogue, but, like, releasing game in the middle of January is, like, suicidal yet it wasn't. And so I think that, you know, it's like the original Jack and Daxter came out like two weeks before Christmas, and people loved it. So it's not like there's no precedent for it. I do think that people have to spread the calendar out a little bit more. I understand that there's a sales imperative on getting like the game to market and getting parents to buy and giving them time to shop and all that kind of stuff.

But I do think things are changing too with like the Black Friday stuff because Black Friday isn't as big of an event as it used to be now that the internet exists. Sure. Now that Amazon's the thing. And now the Best Buy online has better deals than Black Friday deals. And people, parents are used to buying online now. You know, parents are used to buying the Christmas presents, having them shipped to them, and that's it. So I do think that it's more different this year than it's ever been.

And I think that it's just going to continue to get more and more different than that. So I agree, though, that it's like, it's a weird time period to put out a game. But I think that because it's a loan, it at least has a chance. Yeah, it'll be the biggest game in December. And that's a weird thing to say. But it's, I really just don't believe that people go on wait online for eight hours to get in a Walmart to buy a $60 game for $50. That's not what people are like that might be a supplemental purchase But they want a TV they want a fucking PS4

They want an Xbox one I don't think the computer or a laptop Things about the deals though Because I think that Black Friday is just when people are there shopping as well Hey I need your Christmas list I'm going shopping tomorrow That's what's like the people that are waiting in line Are totally different crowd than the people that are going at

4 p.m. on Thursday Who the fuck leaves at their house on a black Friday man So many fucking people Oh it's unbelievable I haven't I haven't gone out on a black Friday since 1998 why did I go out on Black Friday in 1990? to get that dual shock controller for my PS1. Why did I do that?

I want to play Metal Gear. And you know what? It all worked out fine. I also got a little green vest that day that I wore out how I really liked. Like just a vest to wear alone? Or was it like a... It was like a fleece vest.

Oh, okay. Like North Face kind of stuff. Yeah, exactly. Okay, okay. I remember that day really well for some reason. But I remember going into the mall and being like, why am I here? I was in ninth grade.

I was like, why am I here? What the fuck is going on here? And I was like, I need this controller. Just get the hell out of here. Then I was with my sisters and her friends. And I was like, Oh, you see the RIE stores thing?

No. That they refused to open. They're closing. They're not opening any store on Black Friday. They're paying all their employees for the day. And they're just saying, go outdoors. Yeah.

Yeah, Black Friday's, like, I gotta be honest with you, Black Friday is fucking embarrassing. But we should actually, we should save that for a game over, Greg. That's,

as much as I am into market capitalism and consumerism, that is fucking nuts. Like, people running amok fighting each other. That's the best part about Drudge Report on fucking Friday night every Black Friday is that they just have a compilation of all the videos.

fucking killed or shoved into a door. It's like, holy shit. Like, is it really worth your humanity to save $200? That's the whole problem

is when it escalates. Because in, when it's just, let's line up and get a great deal. I've lined up for consoles. That's fun. But yeah, it's when they all run

and people are getting thrown into polls and then I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah. It's like, do you know the internet exists? Exactly. I mean,

that's the thing is like, I haven't been Black Friday shopping in years. Actually, I don't know if I ever. Save it, save it. We are getting an hour just talking about Black Friday.

That's our great game over Gregory show. Kevin put it in the ledger. Going back to the predictions and stuff, though, going to Nintendo. I want to talk about something that is interesting to discuss right now because tomorrow they're going to announce the mobile game. I want to predict that. By the time you guys hear this, our predictions will be correct or wrong. So, Colin, what do you think it's going to be?

Mario. Do you think it's Mario? Do you think we're going to get a release date? Yes. And do you think it'll be this year? Yes. I think that they said it would be this year. Not in the most recent announcement,

but I thought the assumption was that they would try to get their first game out by the end of the year. I don't know if they're going to still stick to that. That's what they said when they first talked with the DNA stuff. So I think that it's a Mario game. You have to assume, I don't know, man. I wouldn't be shocked if it's like a side-scroller. I wouldn't be shocked if they're really trying to figure out to like the first game that comes out of DNA with this Nintendo DNA deal

must be something that shifts the paradigm, right? It must be something that's not predictable. It can't be an Mario. If it's a Mario endless run or something, it's like just enough. It's, the two things that I think about that would be fucking absurd

for them to do in a good way is A to either have a competent Mario side scrolling game that you can really play. And it works. Even though a lot of people aren't gonna want to play core gamers because it's not tactile and doesn't have controls. Something like that.

The bigger thing would be if it was a Pokemon. Yeah. Now the thing with Pokemon is, they got the other Pokemon. Well, they're working on a Pokemon Go. But in addition to that, recently like this week,

we saw that, Game Freak acquired some mobile developer or whatever to like work on stuff. So I think it's a little early to get a Pokemon announcement. That's so obvious, right? Although my God. Just because the core Pokemon and JRP style, the way the game's played and the way you interface with the game would work fine on the phone. It would work totally fine on. You don't need it to be on DS.

Exactly. There's no reason that you have to have a D pad or buttons to play that game as it stands right now. And that's so obvious. And the fact that they haven't done, they didn't do that years ago. I understand that they don't want to cannibalize, obviously the sales of their hardware. But 3DS is dying, as we saw today. And with their financials, their financials, one and a half million Wii use sold in six months,

something like two or three, two and a half or three million, three Ds. So it's definitely time to shove that away. And I think the NX will solve that problem. We're going to have something very vibrant and unique with them on that front. But Pokemon, a real Pokemon game, not a bullshit Pokemon game. A real Pokemon game on iOS and Android would sell millions and millions and millions and millions of units.

And you could charge $30 with it and it will still sell millions and millions and millions of units. So that, I think, is the ultimate goal. If they come out, though, Tim, and they have this very generic fucking microtransaction-laden nonsense, that is just a reskin of something they've already done. It's the beginning of the end of that initiative being relevant to core gamers. They have to come out immediately and get the core gamer the Nintendo fan. Yeah. I mean, do you think that'll happen?

Because I don't. I don't think that's going to be. Really? Yeah. Oh, man. So here's the thing. It's not likely based on what DNA does. It is likely based on what Nintendo does.

And for them to get together, I just don't imagine that Awada and those guys when O'Wada, you know, rest in peace, O'Wada, because I mean, he's deceased now, but he didn't, you know, make this deal. And I just find it hard to believe that a man from a software background that made great games like Kirby that has hardcore sensibilities that really brought hardcore gaming sensibilities and maintain them for Nintendo for so long would then go to a mobile game company and sell out to the. them instead of them selling out to Nintendo. Yeah. You know what I mean? That makes sense. Like, yeah. DNA, in my mind, DNA has no power in this relationship, but Nintendo has all the power. If we see something different, then that, that suggests that the power dynamic between these two companies is different than that. And is it the imperative on them to make something free and something accessible to everyone and something that's microtransaction lane and just,

and just soaking the land with it? Or is it, is their goal to prove that Nintendo can be viable, really viable on this platform with Nintendo games. Is it going to be a Nintendo game? I don't think those things are mutually exclusive though. I mean, I think in the sense of like winning over the core gamers and stuff it is, but I think that a microtransaction thing where it is free to everybody and like if the microtransactions make sense, I don't think that that's a wrong answer. People get upset about mobile gaming being that way.

But if done right for something like Pokemon, I don't think that that's the wrong answer. Would I prefer paying $30 and getting just a game that I don't need to. to deal with any of the bullshit, definitely. But I don't, I would be shocked at that would happen. Like, I don't think that that's even a possibility. Like, there's almost no reason to do that when they could be making so much more money, just simply having the option for the micro transactions and shit.

Well, could they? I mean, the question is, say you have a free, say you have a dollar game, and it's a endless runner Mario game. Yeah. And you sell 20 million. So you make $20 million, right? I mean, that's gross.

Obviously, it's not net. Or you make a Pokemon. game and you charge $20 for it and you sell a million copies of it. It's the same difference. So it really is monetarily. So it really is a matter of like what the intent is. And I don't know. I don't know what the intent is. Is the intent to stay relevant is the intent to really pierce the Japanese market, which is very mobile centric in core gaming, much more so than the, than the West? I don't know what their intent is. We'll find out what their intent is when this game announced. And obviously this is going to be such an old conversation by the time

people hear it, but, but I, I, I, I don't want Nintendo to sell out like that. That's not, they won't. That's not what they're going to do. That's, that's really just straight up think they won't. I mean, it's going to be a Nintendo game. It's going to be a Mario game, period. Like, it has to be. Like, that's your first mobile game's got to be Mario. I think it'll borrow ideas from what DNA does, but it's got to be Nintendo through and through, right? And that's what they, they've talked about. If not, yeah, it's totally fucked. Like, yeah, to what your point is, yeah, I mean, like, to bring it to cell phones and get this Japanese audience. that has great memories of Nintendo but doesn't care too much about the handheld over their phones.

You know what I mean? We'll see. It's exciting. It's very, very interesting. Very excited about this. I'm super interesting. The other thing is so they announced that there's going to be a direct before the end of the year, the first direct that presents Awada. And what do you think will be announced for that? Do you think that they'll just be talking about 2016 stuff or do you think we'll be beginning in 2015? Well, I think that it will be kind of confirming on Zelda still on Wii you that, you know,

know they, although they've really insinuated that it is. I mean, I think it's pretty obvious that it's still going to be a Wii U game. Maybe it'll be both. It's going to be one. That they, that they, the Zelda games coming. Maybe they've dated. Star Fox maybe dated, maybe a few 3DS games in there. Star Fox for sure, did.

And no mention of that next. You will, you will not hear about that console until E3. I really, I really believe that. I think this is them saying like, we're here. Awada is past. We're still going to do this. Here are some new cast of characters that you need to know. here are the games that are coming out for Wii

we appreciate that even though the console is struggling mightily it's not even past 11 million units which is like abysmal for how long it's been on the market everything's fine these games are in operation and they're and they're and they're they work and it's good

everything's gonna be great see you in E3 I think we'll get a smash Bros update some form of DLC I think oh interesting with new characters if I had to put bets down I'd say the Spatoon inkling Ah, that's a good point.

I think they'll put that out and try to like push. Because I think it'd be dumb for them to not use Smash as a way to promote their other games. Like they did that for so long leading into it coming out where it's like whenever Sonic Lost Worlds announced. And so it's like, oh, Sonics and Smash. And like they kept kind of doing that. And it's like now that Smash exists, they can just keep doing that. So why not push the platoon again for the holiday season and all that stuff? I like that we're getting a Mario Maker update in a couple days.

I don't think we'll get more by the end of the year. But it could be cool. It's almost a 2 million sold now. It's awesome. The bigger question for me, though, is looking forward to what in your time about Zelda? Like, I hope that you're wrong and that they don't mention Zelda at all. And then eventually they're just like, it is just an X. They can't.

I want that too. I really do. And I think that maybe it's disappeared off the face of the planet because they are porting it. Yep. But they can't do that to the Wii U audience. If I was a Wii U owner, I'd be fucking. furious of that. And that's, but there's only 11 million of you. But I'm just like, please, just say, fuck you to me. Like, just do this right. Launch with that shit. Like, this is a, we need to, a win to be

able to move forward. You know what I mean? We need to make it so that when we have these conversations, Nintendo's not a fucking joke. So it's like, launch with a goddamn Zelda game. Don't make it a port. Just launch. That's it. You want that Zelda game? You need to get that shit, you know? You're not going to have it when it's cross platform? No. I mean, and that's the thing is just like, I know that I'm saying this and this is probably not a popular opinion, but it's like, we've, we, got great games on the Wii. Like, people would argue

of how many we got. Like, I think that there's more than enough to make the Wii you worth buying. Yeah. Cool. Let's leave there.

Yeah, we were promised the Zelda game. But it's like, I don't know. At this point, I'd rather Nintendo succeed. I'd rather them start doing things right to everybody.

My thing was, even if they, like, leave it on the WiiU so they don't piss off people. Put it on the NX. So they have a reason to buy the NX. So I have a reason to buy the NX. I have a Wii,

but I'm still going to buy an NX at launch. if it's awesome and has cool games. Yeah, the NX. I'm in on the NX if it's cool. Regardless of whether it comes on Wii U or not, it's still going to be a port from the Wii U. It's not like they stopped and went back

and started all fresh with the Zelda game, right? The Zelda game started on the Wii, and I'm sure they were like, oh, fuck, this is screwed. Let's put it on the next one. And then they are right back to where they were with Twilight Princess. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, we don't know what the NX is,

so it's like kind of... We do, it's this, and it's a hybrid system. Yeah, and we know what's going to give it to you. It's going to give it to you in handheld and console fashion. Yeah, I hear the one conundrum, because everyone assumes that this might be like a Twilight Princess situation, is that I don't think Zelda is going to come out in the fall. I think Zelda is done way sooner than that. So the only, the only question is assuming it's a Wii game still, that the game's April, May? Like, I, like, maybe the summer, like at the very, you know, like, like.

Really? Yeah. And I think that, remember that this game was already delayed, like this game was supposed to be out by now. So the delay either is because they're, you have to assume, sending it. to NX, but then if the NX comes out in, say, the fall, 2016, and I don't really believe that that console is coming out next year, but, but if it does, that'll be great. It'll be very excited about that. I love to see Nintendo get back in the game. Then do they hold Zelda? If Zelda's done for Wii, do they release it on Wii in May, and then they release a port at launch

for NX? Do they do the GameCube thing where they release it at the same time, even though one probably is already done? Like, there's a lot of weird questions that I don't know. They have a conundrum with this game. Because I agree that it's an important game. And, you know, But here's the thing about this. Twilight Princess did really well, really well. Skyward Sword sold moderately well, but I think people overestimate how well Zelda does. And like as far as I remember we saw about, I think on Chartered three outs sold Skyward's for, which is incredible. Because you always assume Zelda would push Taylor the industry. It doesn't. It doesn't sell that like that.

It's like a more extreme version of what we say with Metro where Metroid just doesn't sell that well. We want a Metro game and it's like not a system seller. I do think, by the way, Metroid will be a launch game for NX. That I do 100% believe. That's cool. Now, and I think it's a retro game and all that.

But with this particular game, they have a conundrum because it's like, okay, Zelda's a compelling game for launch for people that will already buy the system. So they have to play a little, there's a little calculus here. There's risk taking that has to be involved here. You don't want to fuck the Wii.

The Wii audience, those are the only reliable people that will buy the new console. Maybe. You know, the Nintendo core audience has shrunk to such a, a degree that they cannot take anything for granted anymore. So it's a delicate dance man.

I would not be surprised that there's a major backlash on them that this game's not on Wii. And I would personally be pretty pissed if I bought a Wii U and this game was promised to me and I saw this game multiple times and it was talked about multiple times and they just move it off the system. I just think that's disingenuous and I don't think the Nintendo's going to do it. I mean, the counterargue would be that's how you feel right. And I think that the Nintendo fan now. It's still there and it's still hardcore and is still buying Amibos hand over fist because

they love Nintendo. I don't know if they'd be that upset. Like I say, I have the Wii U out there. I wouldn't care. Not only would I not be upset, I want that. But I don't think it's going to happen because you're right. There will be people that are upset. Of course.

The worst part is the people that wouldn't buy it either way are going to be the most upset. And they're going to be super loud about it. You'll never know. You'll never know. I mean, it's the same. You're right. I mean, Amibo sells so well. I don't even own a Wii.

I use your Wii, but I have Amibo because I like those characters. So it's hard to gauge like, what is the temperature of the Nintendo fan base right now? Like, what is the, what is the Nintendo fan? What does that even mean right now? Wii U owners, there's not many of them. You know, they're like the Vita owners of Nintendo.

Like, the Vita owners are like the most hardcore, really, the PlayStation audience. Like the core of the core of the PlayStation audience. I look at the Wii U audiences that way. Why I look at the 3DS, which is sold about five times better than Wii U as like the more proliferated, the more proliferated piece of hardware. And I just don't think you want to, like, PlayStation, knows that the Vita audience butters their bread in a major way,

not on Vita, but just generally that ecosystem. And I think Nintendo might look at Wii owners and being like, I know there's not, we know there's not many of you, but you're the ones. You're the ones that have,

the attach rate of Mario Card is one for every two consoles. Yeah. That is un-fucking heard of for a game that didn't come bundled in with every console. You know what I mean? So, even like Animal Crossing,

the weird ones selling super well. Yeah, it sold 2 million units. So they're there. They're out there. you know, you just got to treat them. It's a very tenuous situation because Nintendo fans, I know because I was a Nintendo, I was a Nintendo fan for a very long time,

and I call myself, as I've joked around, a reformed Nintendo fan. But as Greg knows, because Greg and I were just started, became friends at this time. I relied to myself for years about the Wii. And I know what, and there's a significant amount of Stockholm syndrome

in this audience right now. And they just need something that is authentically awesome, you know? So give them two things that are authentically awesome, that fucking Zelda game on Wii, and that console, you know? Give them two fucking awesome things. I want Nintendo fans of triumph in 2016.

And I want to come back into the fold. I want all of this. I'll pretend like I was never gone. It'll piss everyone off. Yeah, oh, that'll be great. Cannot wait. That'd be awesome. Remember that bayonetta two, man?

Hell yeah. Oh, man. I'm not going to get down with this goddamn. We sports shit forever. Okay, we're back. It's another day. You guys didn't know this was going to happen. We're all changed.

I have a haircut. It looks good. happened, thank you. They went real deep. I like that. Ball's deep. I'm pretty, pretty happy about it. They usually don't go this deep. Yeah. No, Tim, we're not going to go that deep. But what we're doing here is we're adding on to this topic because we're predicting things like the Nintendo announcement that yesterday we're going to say it's going to happen tomorrow. But today, ironically, yesterday. Because of how time zones work. Right, right, right, right. But the conversation organically went to that point. And then it's like, well, let's not stop. But then it was like, well, let's stop and talk about what happened. Yeah. So what, so the Marry. game that we both thought would happen totally happened uh no damn it my god so did you see what happened colin i saw the name of it oh i saw that i saw that they announced like a cloud save system and then yeah what is the name of it i think it's called and then it's probably the worst name oh the game the game i don't know you're the host you it's up to you i need to figure that no i need to figure this out hold on i think it's nintendo jo no it's definitely not that it is brain

Me Tomo is the name. Me Tomo. It is It looks like like Tomodachi life but just on a phone. Yeah. And like more simplistic. And with these and stuff and yay.

There you go. It's free. It's a communication thing. They want people to be able to communicate using their phones. Okay. Novel novel idea. Text message. Are there puzzle pieces? Phone calls. No. So but that's the thing is like yesterday when we were talking about about the or even in this topic when you're talking about the predictions and stuff. I thought it was

gonna be something like this. I thought it was gonna be free just like 3DS street pass type stuff like all right and this is what it is no fucking Mario no Zelda no Pokemon nothing nothing that I think anyone really cares I didn't I really didn't believe that Nintendo would sell their soul to the to to uh this line of games and this this way of merch it seemed like they were getting it it's so weird and we talk about nx and we talk about them slowing down and we We talked about this. We talked about them finally taking their properties and put them on mobile devices. I thought you guys were crazy for thinking that we were getting that.

Well, we like to believe in the good in people, not just the horribleness. I mean, I like to hope for the good and people. But this is a perfect example of like where, where their heads out right now. Are they building towards something great? Yeah. Will there be awesome mobile games announced next year? Hopefully, maybe. There's no reason to believe that now.

Yeah, I know. Well, I mean, they did say. This is what they're coming out of the gate with. They said that in the next year that, well, first off, this got delayed. Yeah. So it's not this year. So pretty much everything we said yesterday. Well, no, no, no.

To that point, they did say the game was coming out this year. No, I know. And then they said it was delayed yesterday. So that's not a, that's not an... Well, I know. But my question that I was asked yesterday is, do you think it'll happen this year? Oh, I mean, I thought so because I didn't think that, you know, making little baby games on baby phones was going to be this big of a deal.

But apparently it is a big deal to make a baby game on a baby phone. And they need time to make their baby games on their baby phone. So, I, I just can't... I didn't think when Nintendo married itself in some way to DNA, I really didn't think that they would do that with the same old thing in mind. What I thought that they identified with DNA was this is a company that knows how to make money online. They might have a certain way of doing it. Maybe we have to make the games free and have microtransactions or whatever just the way their games are.

But certainly they're going to make a game. Right. That's up to Nintendo's standard. Surely they'll make a game that's up to Nintendo's standards if Nintendo's names on it. So this is a scary thing. This to me is Nintendo that is usually a company about I don't know I'd say maybe this game

Whatever the fuck it is is gonna be great But Nintendo's always about quality We always talk about how well at least their games are good Well can you say that now? Yeah well to be fair though But to be fair people did like Tom Doct's Life a lot Yeah people really did like so it's like this isn't for us But this is obviously for an audience

That's really really big So I don't know It's just It's upsetting to me Because this is not what I want But what is cool The good thing that they talked about Was the my Nintendo account thing

That's finally a unified account across Wii U 3DS. What's the name of it? My Nintendo. Yeah, I think it's called Nintendo account or something like that. I think that's literally the name of it or something like that.

I'm like, okay. Yeah, I mean, that's the other problem is they like the way that they talked about it wasn't very clear because they talked about something called My Nintendo and they also talked about something called new Nintendo account. So it's a little confusing as to whether or not

those are the exact, like the same thing. I think they are. Like I think it's just talking about things referring to as new Nintendo account. It's just saying that it's not club Nintendo. You know, it's now my Nintendo. But can I change my Nintendo network ID? So it sounds like this kind of replaces that stuff.

Okay. Like it sounds like this is an account that then goes across all of that stuff so that you can sign into the play online or whatever. And also it hopefully will be like some form of trophy achievement system across games. Where, and they said that you can earn points based on buying the game and then also based on doing things in the game. Pay to win. that you could download digital stuff or get physical rewards,

just like Club Nintendo was. We'll see how it actually looks for North America because we usually got snubbed pretty hard. It's good they learn that lesson about confusing names with the Wii and WiiU and my Nintendo and Nintendo Club. I don't know. The whole thing I was just reading about

in a very cursory way yesterday when I was, you know, settling in for the night. And I don't know. I was just, I don't know. I was just, I was surprised. I was like, I just can't believe Nintendo. Like, this tells me, not that they've always had hardcore sensibilities,

because they haven't. I mean, I don't think Animal Crossing is a hardcore game, for instance. This Tomodachi game doesn't seem like it's hardcore at all. But they've had these, like, hardcore sensibilities that kept, you know, their gamers, you know, no, no, I don't really feel like any Nintendo fans, like, man, this is exactly what I wanted, you know? I mean, this is, but that's not fair to say.

You can say any Nintendo fan, because obviously the people are like those Nintendo games are thrilled about. Well, it's, it's like, talking about with the 11 million, it's not even 11, 10.5, 10.7 million people, whatever, that own a Wii U. That to me is like, that's your core, like your core, core, core audience. And like, is that really like the shit that they want? Yeah, I don't know. I just, I feel bad for Nintendo fans, man. I really do. The question is, is this the, is this them pivoting trying to get the smartphone market rather than Nintendo fans? Are they trying to get the casual person

who uses their phone? Hey, what's our most casual, approachable thing, experience that people like that's super easy and weird to get into. Tomah got your life. They do have to that point, you know, because the mobile market's a trash heap that's on fire all the time, and it's never been extinguished and only gets worse. But there are a few companies that can elbow their way in and actually have prominence and be seen just based on money and relationships. I mean, if Nintendo goes to Apple, and it's like, we want prominent placement for this game.

They're going to get it. And so to that point, they are one of the few companies that could enter that very crowded, very bullshit, very doggy dog market and actually prevail and make a lot of money. DNA makes a lot of money doing it. that is a good point but I just it's like

I really feel like that deluce your brand and stuff like that it would have been so cool for them and take advantage of you know they always even though they sometimes fail they do push tech forward

in their own unique way with motion or with whatever and it would have been cool for them to say like listen we really think this could be a viable platform that can play real games and you know

I just don't understand why they're leaving all of these obvious ideas on the table to do like you know rehashed ideas or social ideas whatever it's like make games

you know this is what you do like everyone's like everyone wants your games on PlayStation 4 for an Xbox one because they respect the shit out of you as a publisher and a creator of games. And I know what it's like if I was a Nintendo fan, I'd be real scared about this particular initiative now because if this is the way they're coming out of the gate, then it doesn't show that they really give a shit about, and again I'll say it about a core Nintendo fan.

I just, that's not a core Nintendo game. And that's not, I don't care how well it sold. That's not, you know, it doesn't mean anything. It's other than like some money on your ledger and that doesn't mean anything the fans of games that, you know, people that play the games. So I don't know. It was weird. I really thought for sure that they were going to really blow us away. Because I've seen a Nintendo the last year, a year and a half that really seems to understand what's going on and trying to fix it.

And it's hard to turn a battleship. You know, it takes time. You got to like start turning the wheel and be patient and wait for the ship to turn. And so I thought that that's the process we were in. And like some of these things were a little weird to me. See, I look at this. And I think that this is just, it's all getting ready for the future. And I think that this is them not coming out of the gate.

This is them just being like, all right. We're going to be doing stuff. This is not the announcement we want to make. Which why even say anything? I don't know. But this isn't the first Nintendo thing on the app store like on mobile phones. There's been like Pokemon stuff before. And you know, and none of them too substantial, but there was the Pokemon trading card game game that the straight up just came out of nowhere and like that's game freaks. So it's a little bit different. That's kind of the point though, right? Came out of nowhere. This was the thing that they announced. They deliberately talked about this partnership. We have this many games. We're going to be going out. We're partnering with these guys. We're making mobile games. Yeah. But I mean, I think that, you know, they talked about. coming out with it this year and then it got delayed. So this, all of this I think is just

is this how I would have done it? No, but I do think that I'm still looking forward to what the other games are. They are making other games. I'm now looking forward to every announcement. Every time they're like, we got a new NASA, we're like, oh, we'll wait to see what this trash is. Yeah.

What's going to happen this time? How's the internet going to react? I mean, well, the internet reaction to this is like hilarious to me. Yeah? Didn't react. Yeah. No one gives a shit.

You walked in today before we sat down to do the show. And you're like, yeah, and bowling, I don't know how we want to handle the update. I was like, oh, has it not happened yet? And you're like, no, it happened. I'm like, oh, I've seen no one talk about this on the internet. Yeah, but the internet would have cared if it was something that was aimed at the people on the internet that care about. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean?

Like, if they really actually announced something that anyone cared about, I mean, it's making the point. You know, like, sure, people are going to play it. Yeah, we want to be social and communicate with games. Or it was like, all right. You guys make games that are great. Can we have one of those maybe? Yeah. That'll be nice.

I don't know. I just, I feel for Nintendo fans, man, because I know what that's like to just hold on. Sure. And like look around and be like, it's got to get better than this, right? It's got to get better than this.

And I still have a lot of hope in the NX, but then again, you know, I don't know. Will, you know, I want to. Will X really give it to us? Well, now we're questioning. Is X going to give it to us? It's just, it's just,

I know these are like small announcements in the grand scheme of things. And it's, but like, it's easy to, you know, it's all conjecture, but it's, You can read into some of this stuff and just be like, okay, this is disappointing. This is bringing, you know, the ship's turning.

Like, just let it turn. And, you know, I wanted this announcement to be something really cool. I almost, I almost really believe that they were going to really do something paradigm shifting for themselves and for maybe that, for the Nintendo audience and for people that own phones and stuff like that. And we want to make hardcore games on this thing, you know? And I thought that would have been cool. And I understand they don't want to cannibalize the 3DS, but Grasslop the 3DS is dying too. So, you know, the NX, whatever that is, can rectify that situation. I know they don't want to cannibalize their hardware, but it's the same thing we talk about

with Xbox putting games on PC and Xbox 360, right? Or Xbox 1. Where it's like, yeah, you don't, what's the economic reality of doing that and stuff like that? But I don't know. I just think it's a weird move. And maybe the second or third game will be like a hardcore game. But that, you know, you set a cadence. You set a rhythm with your first announcement.

Yeah. It's weird. I'm not saying that the game itself is going to be bad. I'm sure it's going to be very quality. game, which is, it's not the formula that I was hoping that they would follow. It's not the first step you wanted. Yeah.

I mean, maybe people in Japan are really excited about it. I don't know. That's a good point to do that. It is probably trying to aim at them. But DNA being a well-established Japanese company, but, um... I mean, it's definitely aimed towards them. Yeah, but I mean, if you look at it,

it's the most Japanese thing ever. But I'm a cat game, but I'm gonna give you, I'm gonna give you a little insight though, right? The Nintendo Salvation isn't in Japan. And no gaming company. Calatation is in Japan. PS4, they just announced PS4 sold

29.3 million units, of which maybe one and a half million of them were sold in Japan. So it's like, you know, you gotta look outside of that country in order to satiate an audience,

a much bigger audience of gamers that really want to engage with your stuff. And spend money. And Sony realized that for the first time, really. Yep. The reason the PlayStation 4 is so successful is because they turned around and they looked at everybody

and were like, we're doubling down on gamers. we don't this is this G. F sure plays Netflix yeah, it does all that crap you care about let's talk about games let's talk about nuts and bolts I'm talking about that February presentation we understand it was hard to develop for the PlayStation 3 this one won't be that

this is going to be easy to port your games this is how it's looking we want to make games we want to make games and that's the message people have responded to when in reality when you compare Xbox 1 and PS4 to each other right like is there one like leaps and bounds ahead of each other in terms of it you know I mean no like you go either way and have a great experience and be great but PlayStation was very clear with their message

and bet on gamers and the gamers are there for them. Yeah. And that's what we always talk about with NX is what we want, right? Is that they come back out. It's a hybrid machine and you can take your games on the road. You bring them back. Game, games, games, games. Not Tomogachi life.

Yeah. And it's just, it's just simpler than that. It's just, it's like, you know, whether it was one and a half, two million, three million units, whatever PS4 sold in Japan, I don't think it's even that much at all. There's 100 million people there. And they're, the line share of that Japanese company's Japanese machine is being sold in the West because they understood what needed to be done to proliferate the brand.

Yep. And so, yeah, it's aimed at the Japanese market, and that's great. And there are 100 million people with 100 million cell phones in Japan. And, you know, we've both been there and several times. And you see, I mean, it's very obvious.

That's the way people play games there. And you see 3Ds. It's a very mobile. Yeah, it is. Gaming place. It is. That's the difference when you're talking about PS4 and stuff. Where here, yeah, there's a lot more console stuff.

But there it is handheld. Right. But even 3DS is, is, you know, doing very well in Japan. but those 52 or 53 million units are not a line share, those are not in Japan either. So the point is that they do have a market outside of Japan that they should be looking at as well very closely

because Nintendo was a big deal with Famicom and with Game & Watch and all that kind of stuff in its own way in Japan, but it was the proliferation of the NES and the SNS and all these things that made it obviously a global phenomenon. People in the West like these games and they like this brand And they have a kindred connection to it. Yeah. So I just hope, you know, it's sad because it looks like we beat up on Nintendo a lot.

Maybe we do, but there's no, there are few companies I care about more too. Like where I want to see this company just fucking shove a boot in someone's ass. I really do. Like, I really do want to see it. And, you know, I hope, you know, NX is now, you know, the thing that I'm really looking forward to seeing what they do with it. And hopefully, if this caters to the casual crowd, hopefully this will cater to like the antithesis of that.

I hope. NX is very much like the division where I can't wait to see it disappoint Colin. Yeah. I mean, it's... Just to see him crushed. And then the anger he will unleash on the internet. If NX is disappointing, it's another Wii U and all that kind of stuff, man. I am finished.

Just straight up finished. I will never even talk about that company again. It's going to be. Like, until it's not, I don't believe it's going to be anything but disappointing to us. All right, moving on. So I read a really interesting article on this little website called IGN.com. By the way, Mitch Dyer. I love Mitch Dyer.

He's a good dude. So the article was entitled, Halo 5 Ads lied to you. Yeah, I know this one. Okay, yeah. This guy kicked around. Everyone started talking about with the game. So here's my thing. I want to talk about the article,

but I also want to talk about how ridiculous people's reaction to the article is. Sure. Because I just don't understand the kind of reactions that it got. Here's where I came. Vicious uproar. My uproar was not vicious. I did not tweet. I did not yell.

I did not scream. I saw it and then I saw people discuss, you know, like I saw the headline. I saw people reacting to it that the ads lied to you and da, blah, and I was like, oh, wow, that sucks. Because I haven't started it yet. I haven't jumped in. I don't know what the story's going to be. And the story I have set up is Lockford's chief.

That's the thing. And so for this to be like, it all lied to you. I'm like, oh, that's not really the story. I don't, okay, so they're not going to be friends immediately. I don't know the spoiler of what happened or where they're going or whatever. But the ads got me hyped based on the story. You know what I mean, if that makes sense. So then knowing that that's not really what it was.

Like, oh, I don't know how I feel about that. Yeah. But I mean, here's my thing. That's not Mitch's fault. No. Oh, I'm not mad at Mitch. Okay. Well, what I'm saying is a lot of people are.

Oh, people are mad about everything. And that's the other thing is that people are acting like IGN is trying to is like biased against Xbox. And this whole thing is like a shitting on Halo thing. Trust us. When we left, they became decidedly unbiased. But it's like shitting on like the marketing of it. And that's different. You know, I think that's entirely different.

And it's a very valid thing to talk about. And in terms of the spoilers, yeah, spoiling what's not in the game is spoiling the game. but if you're being lied to, this stuff should be presented to you, right? Okay, well, read the story. What's the, because I didn't click on it. I mean,

I started Halo last night, and now I'm into it, but I still haven't gotten to where the story falls apart in 180s. That's not so. It's a long article. I'm going to just read excerpts here. I'm going to,

so there's spoilers here, but they're spoiling just what's not in the game. So if you don't want to hear that, no touching. Prepare yourself. No touching. So most of the cinematic scenes you've seen for Halo

tell a very different story than the game itself. The debut trailer for Halo for Xbox One, shown in E3, 2013, has little resemblance to anything that happens in Halo 5 Guardians. The lonely robed traveler wandering through a desert wasteland never shows up anywhere, even thematically. In fact, your squad is with you the entire way. This is a co-op campaign through and through. Nothing about this scene seems to matter to the main plot other than the existence of the winged guardian itself. So, okay, there's that.

So far, so good. Then the most baffling piece of marketing is the commercial two-pack showing two separate perspectives of the same scene. You may remember Master Chief looking down on a dying lock, contrasting with an alternate scene that reverses the rolls and shows a lock chastising a wounded John 117. Both scenes end with the implied execution in a ravaged city, whose last standing structure is a monument to Master Chief. Above the infinity is smoldering the sky, possibly singing towards the planet's service. None of this happens in Halo 5, not even close. And then they go through this whole two sides of the story and how like just a lot of stuff is just not what it seems. Okay.

See, and then I think it's just a bad headline. because when I saw the headline, I assumed what we had seen leading up to this was not the story. I was assuming we were getting a Batman origin style twist where I thought, Spoiler for Batman Orange, Batman Arkorges. I thought, yeah, you're about to go play it when you get home, Kevin. I thought we were going through and we're getting this black mask story, right? But really quick into that game, it's like, ha ha, no, it's all a Joker story. You're like, oh, my God, this is awesome.

That's what I thought was going to happen. I thought that I'm waiting right now playing it based on the headline, waiting for the other shoe to drop of, Locke gets killed and it's just cheap. So, you know, or now they're immediately, like, we all know they're going to become friends and have to fight a greater force or whatever. I thought that was going to happen immediately or something like that. That's not bad. Now I understand what you're talking about. I would say the E320, whatever, marketing lied to you.

Uh-huh. They don't have to say all the marketing lied to you. But anyways. But that's the thing, though, is I do feel like this is an important conversation to have where marketing tools and stuff, should it lie to you and to get you hyped and kind of just be something where it's like this stuff isn't in the game. or a movie or whatever. Yeah. Or does it... Are they promising you something?

Are they promising that what you're buying has this thing in it? Sure. You know? And it's like when you watch a movie trailer, movie trailers, and Mitch even makes this point, nowadays give away the whole movie. Sure. So it's like, would you rather that or would you rather them kind of tease you with the stuff that's just not in the game?

Right. You know? And some things are just like in terms of thematic stuff, it makes sense where I didn't really expect the scenes of them killing. each other to be in that game, how would that happen? I didn't expect the scene of Chief walking alone in the desert and his poncho to be in the game. But see, that to me is different.

The biggest change there is the fact that that's so old and technically that wasn't Halo 5. Yeah. That was back when it was just Halo. Yeah. So things changed and I get that. But that sets a tone for the game. That sets me being like, oh, this is different for Halo.

This is something that I... He never wears a poncho. But he's never like alone like that. And why is he wearing armor and then a poncho? Yeah. What's going on? It was his disguise. It made any sense.

But I do think that that interested me in it as somebody that loves Halo but isn't necessarily going to play every single Halo game that comes out. Yeah. Like I'm like, oh, that looks cool. And then now it's just, this is just, it's just Halo, you know? Yeah. And what you're talking about the Arkham Knight stuff, like where it is just a huge twist or whatever.

Like, that's cool. But is this that? No, it isn't. That's what I'm saying is I thought what, based on the headline, I thought it was. And I was thinking about how mad I would be that if Arkham Origin's story was spoiled that way.

You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Now we're just talking about straight up the early marketing isn't what it turned out to be. Does that matter? I don't think so. You've had how many,

I'm having the exact opposite where we watched the trailer, launch trailer. I was like, this is getting me hyped. And then last night we're doing the thing where we're falling through the sky

and the muse song should be playing but it is. And I'm like, all right, yeah, I remember this. All right, let's go shoot some shit. You know what I mean?

I mean, games change all the time and evolve. I wouldn't, like you're saying, don't hold the sand and the poncho thing against them. Then to the next one, I don't even remember the execution switcheroo kind of thing. But I mean, so that's the thing. That's, I think a lot of people do. You know, like, especially the ones that are invested in this and, like,

invested in the Halo lore and stuff and all the hunt the truth, like the whole hunter thing. The whole, like, you're hunting this thing. It's like, that's not really the point of this game. And it's like, that's crazy. Because that's all they've said. Hunt the truth. Hunt the fucking truth. And we're not hunting. I was, I mean, like, here's, this is just the problem, I guess, is that for the first time

in forever, I'm playing a game where I'm totally the guy we always talk about who doesn't read IGN or watch this, I'm like, oh, Halo, I want to play this with my girlfriend. I pick it up off the Walmart shelf and I come and play it. So like, Hunt the Truth? Like, if you were to ask me, what's Hunt the Truth mean? I'd be like,

oh, well, you know, Locke's Hunting Chief, and they're trying to get to the bottom of what this message he just got from this person was. And if that's not it, great, but that's what I mean, to me, the Hunt the Truth campaign still makes sense because I don't know, I didn't listen to the podcast. I haven't listened to Car Talk. I haven't listened to Hot the Truth Podcast. I haven't listened to these other things. You know what I mean? Or like really watch these old school trailers. And now to your point of should game slash movies or just games, I guess, show things that aren't in the game. I wish more did. I'm, I'm, I'm, too. Uncharted 3 was totally spoiled by a goddamn subway commercial. Like, fuck that. You know what I mean? I would love to not know anything going into it. Because you know, I knew I was going to play Halo with Christine, right? Like, I know I'm going to play Uncharted. I don't think they need to be deceptive. Don't show me something like you're fighting 80.

story tall enemies, right? And then you get in the game, you're always just fighting grunts or something. You know what I mean? Like, if it's one for one. But then again, I'm still speaking to something I didn't see and don't understand.

But movies do it all the time where they show you, not so much anymore, I guess, but in the old days I remember varsity blues in particular, that you watch the trailer for varsity blues, and there's a bunch of scenes in that... That's because movies get edited

and things like that happen. But that's the problem when you're talking about a game. Games get changed over time and all that stuff totally makes sense. And a lot of times it's just fun little Easter eggy things. We're like, oh, like, that's a different take of a line that they say or whatever. But like with something like this, I think that this is a, it's a bigger deal in the sense that like it's,

everything they've hyped up about the story is different. Really? Yeah. I mean, it's definitely from what I've played and what I've seen and like from reading this, I'm like, yeah, that's right. Now, having said all of that, I don't necessarily think this is such a bad thing because I agree with you. Like I think as long as it's the thematic thing that needs to make sense though. And the fact of like him being a lone warrior thing,

And then him always having a team. That's an issue, you know? Like, I think that if the original thing had shown more of that team element stuff, then this wouldn't be such a problem of a lie. Yeah. It'd be more of like a, you just got more. The marketing stuff was just more for you to enjoy. Yeah.

You know, and like that's like the Transformers movies. When they first announced them and stuff, all the trailers weren't even the movies at all. That was the point, though. It was just like getting people hyped for what I ended up, you know, disappointing everyone. But like, at least the marketing was, it was marketing. You know, it was just get hyped for this thing. And how long ago was the dual execution lone wolf trailer thing? Less than a year.

Okay. Interesting. Yeah. So, I mean, it's like, it's not that long ago. No, I'm with you. Yeah. Which, again, like the wandering thing, like, that was long enough ago that. Fuck, yeah, whatever.

Okay. Just some CG thing in the desert. Got it. But anyways, I just think that the idea of the lies in Martin. We were talking a couple days ago about the, if Zelda wasn't on. Wii and just was on an X. I think this is a very similar thing. I feel like you were promising someone something. Yeah. By tantalizing them with it. Like there's no difference to me between watching these trailers and Nintendo showing Zelda and saying, hey, it's going to be on Wii. My question is,

what about what's been the case in developer interviews and stuff? Have they made it sound like he was going to be alone at any point? No, I mean, and that's the thing. It's like then, you know, throughout the development of the game, when we do see things, he was always with the team and stuff. Because I feel like that's the course I've been on. I've had them on up at noon. I've talked to them. They've been on our live shows or whatever. I forget which ones.

And like I see the game and I always heard about, you know, it's Locke's team versus Chief's team and this is what's happening and we're trying to figure all this out. We're hunting them or whatever. So like the, again, I don't know. I feel like we're hung up on this. Read more. What else is?

What is so mad? I feel like we're hung up on one trailer where there's an execution scene. Yeah. I mean, that's the biggest thing. Well, big deal. I mean, I don't want to read some of those things as does get a little bit into, Okay, it gets into spoilers. Okay, okay, right.

But there's just some things based on, like, characterization of Locke and Chief and how they interact with each other. And it's just, it's a delicate thing because I don't think there was a right answer. Like, I'm contradicting myself many times in this because I'm saying, like, they're lying and that's bad, but also I think it's a good thing.

I think it just needs to be a little bit as long. It's the thematic thing, going back to that. I mean, like, I guess this would be the question of, like, if video game journalism and criticism and everything else was where it is right now in Metal Gear Solid 2, came out. Would we, would it be that Metal Gear Solid 2's

ad campaign lied to you? Yeah. I mean, I think that is kind of... Does that matter? Because that was an awesome twist, right? Like, I don't... Yeah. That's the whole thing. But I mean, so, but that's... And that's another problem is, like, another part of my topic is the reaction to this thing where, like, people are super upset that he's, like, doing this and saying this. It's like, I think... Like, why didn't you wait to do this? I'm like,

I think that it's... It needs to happen now. And it's like, what's the point of waiting for it? Like, don't read it if you don't want to read it. and just stay away from it. But I think this is interesting. I think Mitch did something really cool of going back and finding all these things. And I don't think that,

even though lied to you sounds like a very negative thing, like, I don't think, and he was just saying it's different, you know? Yeah. And it's like, I think that's interesting to look back and see how the things

have changed over time. Right. So. But lying comes with the connotation that they were trying to deceive you, right? Like, I agree with you.

If it was like, this is how it changed over time, then that's an innocuous headline that you'd read and be like, okay, cool. That's all interesting. And the game changed and developed and evolved, right?

Yeah. But when you're trying to come up with a punchy headline that attracts people. Exactly. I mean, that's really what it is. And also, in the headline, it says opinion.

It starts off with opinion, which changes it even more. It's just like, he was disappointed. He did feel lied to. Okay. So Mitch, that's his, those are his, okay. Yeah, and it's like, cool. You know, it's a fair, totally valid.

No, I understand. It's one of those, again, it, I wonder if the script was flipped and there was a new infamous game coming out. And I have been living and breathing it into every fucking trailer and I got the game and it was all of a sudden that no Cole's Cole is back but he's got a

team of conduits you have to be with it all times would I be like oh like that's I think that is a very valid day I mean let's even with Metal Gear like that's a thinking back on how they would have handled that and like if Metal Gear 2 had come out in this day and age there would be a million articles about that sure talking about how you know this is like

they might I think much angrier yeah this is fucking bullshit and whatever who's his whining little bitch but uh I don't know what do you think Colin. I don't have an opinion on this. Okay. I mean, it's like whatever, you know. Is it okay for marketing to do this, to show

trailers that then don't have things in it? Yeah, I think so. I think the thing that seems to be lost a lot of people is my assumption is that they've already talked about the next Halo game. So, my assumption is that this saga will continue. I'm not going to play Halo 5. I have no interest in playing it at all, but my assumption is that, you know, 3, 4, 3 is going

to continue this series in perpetuity for a very long time and that this story is not done yet. So, you know, they might be setting the cadence. It could be like the three, you know, the three art, you know, having arcs in your story, you know, setting it up and then, you know, having a crescendo and all that kind of stuff. I mean, it could just, there could just be an intent for the next game to do,

to continue the story or make it a little more salient for people. But I, yeah, deceptive marketing is shitty, but I'm not sure that Microsoft's intent was to deceive anyone either. So I think it's a, it's a valid point to make, but, you know, I don't really have much of an opinion on it. I don't really care. It's, it's, it wouldn't be the, first time or the last time that a video game trailer.

It's like Fallout 4 is being largely advertised with pit boy videos and live action trailers that are not going to have anything to do with the game. You know, like it's not that uncommon. And I'm excited that Fallout is being advertised in a way that doesn't show you anything in the game. And it might tease things in the game. Oh, you have a dog and you know, and you're shooting a super mutant and all that kind of stuff. but like the context is for you to make.

So, you know, it doesn't have to be out of context stuff doesn't have to necessarily be negative in my opinion. But I do agree that it seems like people really don't like the campaign from what I've been reading in terms of the story. I've read that complaint quite a bit. People like multiplayer and the game's getting great scores. So it can't be that bad. It's like it's like an 80, between an 85 and a 90.

I think I'm at a critic. I think it'll be just fine. Yeah. Yeah. Last topic of the day. As always brought to you by the. of funny forums. Go to kind of funny.com slash forums.

Leave a topic for the show and we'll read it. Just like we're doing right now with CR Stern. Hey Tim Colin and Greg. Long time first time. Colin frequently talks about how his favorite NES series, Mega Man, all feature perfect gameplay. Which games have near perfect gameplay in your eyes? Are there modern games that approach NES pinnacle gameplay in your eyes as well?

Hmm. The only thing that jumps in mind of perfect is Mario. The 2D Mario's. Sure. specifically the world previous anything that in the in the current world

that approaches that you're talking about anything current games or any modern e games well just go back to any games at all that perfect gameplay I say Mario 1

Mario 3 Mario World Mario World yeah I mean two two's great too but like I think that one three and world stand on their own

besides that I don't know if there is anything that I'm like this is this feels utterly perfect to me. Yeah.

Especially when you get more modern. I definitely can't think of any off the top of my head. The name that jumped to mind because it's recent and it's, it's a complicated question, right? Is anything ever perfect kind of thing? But like a near perfect gameplay loop of Metal Gear, Phantom pain. The fact that like, don't get wrong, like you can get frustrated and not know what you're

doing, dot of that, but the way all the systems work together like we always talk about. Right. And the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, GMP, and I want to build this and I want to play You know what I mean? The fact of like, what does perfect gameplay mean? I don't know, but it's the perfect gameplay in the way that I want to keep playing it over and over and over again. There's always something to do. There's always something to that's a loop, I think. Yeah, well, that's what I'm driving.

Yeah, yeah. It's gameplay loop. In terms of gameplay, I mean, it's games that have rules that are predictable. And, you know, I think very deeply about about gameplay, like gameplay, playing the game, the act of playing the game, which I think is lost on a lot of people today. And is forgiven by a lot of people. It's the reason why I think Call of Duty is so good because it's good game play. You know, like the game plays very, very well. Series that come to mind, yeah, Mario, I think, is a perfect example.

I think even Castlevania, one, two, and three, have perfect, near-perfect gameplay, even though the games are stiff and heavy. That is the idea. So they're unforgiving. The rules are consistent, and you either learn how to play it or you don't. And some people don't like the more clumsy feel they compare to, say, Mega Man, which is fast. but I really love the Stiff is used as a bad word

and it should I think usually be used in that way when you're talking about gameplay but the heaviness of the game it feels like a Castlevania that's the way Castlevania feels and then it really changed quite a bit with a game like Symphony the Night which had fast to gameplay but still fluid and perfect gameplay

Ninja Guyden 1 2 and 3 are up there with Mega Man to me in terms of gameplay those games are fast they don't plot at all jumping on walls and just running Like the think about people out there played the original Ninja Guide and like that first stage when you're running to the bar. It's just perfect like it's it's you're just running running running slice slice slice jump jump jump jump jump jump you know like it's I don't know Those games are really really special in that regard

Modern games don't really nail gameplay the way they used to I mean that's just the nature of the way games are made now so So what's funny about what you're saying is all those games are 2D platformers and like what I was talking about as well as two D platformers like Are every is there? every other genre and like once you get to 3D, is it just too complicated to have that perfect? No, because I talk about Call of Duty, which I think is just in terms of shooters like unrivaled in the way it plays. And so that's the bar for, you know, whether it can get any better than I don't know. I don't make shooters, but that it can be done in other genres and other modes and other ways of looking at games. But I think that it works in 2D so well because there's little else to rely on in those games to say,

the gamer, which is why I think those games are so special, why that genre is so special. And side-scrollers will never disappear because they just really do benefit the person that wants gameplay above all else. And gameplay is absolutely king. So that's why, and I've beaten the horse dead and why I'm so excited about Matterfall and alienation from House Markets because they make perfect gameplay games. They do twin-stick shooters and they are games you play and master and get better at. So a game like Resolgun or Dead Nation even. These are, you know, Dead Nation is not only a game that is great to play,

but also has what Greg was talking about, which was a gameplay loop, which Resilgun also has, which is why House Marks one of the great developers, because they really understand gameplay, and that is a lost art. There's a lot of excuses made for a lot of games. Games I like that,

man, this game's pretty, the story's great. Look at these characters, looking at the environment. Oh, the game, but the gameplay. So what I always talk about with Assassin's Creed. Assassin's Creed would be a 10. And I'm not talking about the new one.

played syndicate, I've not played Black Flag or any of these games in the last three years. But I'm talking about my experience with Assassin's Creed 2 and 3 specifically. If Assassin's Creed 3 played the way it looked, that would be maybe one of the best games of all time. You know what I mean? But it just doesn't. It's like, man, this is a really great environment. Look at these environments. These people look so real and the story's interesting and the voice acting.

It's so immersive. And then you move around. And it's like, oh, they nailed, they didn't nail what matters most, which is playing the fucking game. and it's not to say every game needs to be, we were talking about three-fourths home, which is a game, you know, you might not even call it a game, and I don't,

maybe you shouldn't call it a video game, I don't know, it's a choose your own adventure game, you make choices, yeah, so there's no gameplay in it at all, but it's great. And gone home, I really loved as well,

and that's like what people call a walking simulator, just like, you know, everybody's gone to the rapture or, you know, the vanishing of Ethan Carter. So it doesn't, it doesn't mean that games have to have gameplay. it means that gameplay is usually the nugget of what makes a game worthwhile.

And so we go back to games that had no excuses because that's all they had. They didn't have. I want to give a shout to Tet. Dude, you know what, you know what game that came in mind first? Straight up after the you mentioned Mega Man was Arkenoid. Orkanoid's fucking perfect. What a granoid is in my mind a 10. It's just a brick breaking game.

But it's a really good one. It's not the first brick breaking game. It's just really good. what it does and it does this one thing. And it's just addictive as fuck. Holy shit, that game's addictive. You know, so the very simple things, like River Raid is one of my favorite Atari games.

That game is very simple. But the gameplay's fun. Kung Fu and NES is just five levels over and over again, but it's awesome. You know, like so, and it's not because, wow, look at Mr. X is such a compelling fucking enemy or, you know,

there's like four different enemy types in the game. It's not anything. It's just like, it's fun to play. And they didn't have excuses back then. They didn't have anything else to hide, you know, what made the game fun. Look at the order. We talk about that game a lot. The order is gorgeous.

I don't know if there's like any game on PS4 or very few games on PS4 that look better than that game. But it doesn't, it's just a generic cover-based third-person shooter at the end of the day. And that's what turned people off to it. It wasn't the way the game looked or the way the game sounded or the story. It was the way the game played. So man, gameplay is, we must have lose sight of the fact that gameplay is just very, very important. And can modern games nail it? Yes.

and do they? Yeah. But fuck, look at the games we love. Like, Fallout 3. VATS is there because the game sucks at gameplay. Yeah, like VATS is an excuse for not being able to... Really poor first person shooter controls. And we let it go because everything else around it's so good. But is the gameplay good in Fall Out 3?

Gameplay mechanics are really good. The RPG mechanics are awesome. I was going to say the RPG, like the tangential things are good. I don't think the mechanics are good at all. And that's... Well, I mean, when I'm talking to mechanics I'm talking about for RPAs, RPG mechanics. I'm talking about leveling up. Yeah, all that's good. The loop. Yeah.

It's great. But like, and fallout's one of my fall three in New Vegas are. I love, I adore those games, but man, they're like not good. Like if you just played them in a vacuum, if you're just like, if you, if you made fall out three, if you removed all the elements, all of the story and made a corridor in front of them like kill zone for instance. And I like play. No. It would be awful. It'd be fucking awful. You know, so that's why I'm except about fallout four because I want to see how it feels. Right. And they talk about bringing it in and all that stuff. Okay.

Like, can you imagine? That's why Far Cry's so great. Don't get me excited. Right now I want to just keep thinking it's just a fancier version of Fallout 3. So when I get it and it's not, I can be fucking amazed. That's why I'm telling me that's why Far Cry is so great.

And that's why I think dying light's great too is because it's like, wow, it's this open world. We have expectations that everything suffers in an open world, right? Like, just design-wise, everything suffers. Like the gameplay is almost the last thing that matters in these games. Look at Assassin's Creed.

And Far Cry, you know, especially Far Cry, I think, three and Far Cry 4 came out and we're just like, Well, this is a shooter that is better than 90% of the shooters on the market. And this is an open world game that's better than 90% of the open world games on the market. And it was a perfect fusion. It's much like maybe even Crisis One was another example of that, like a competent shooter in an open world. I really like the original crisis for that at the same reason.

So I don't know, we can go on. I love talking about gameplay, man. Yeah. Like I love talking about mechanics. And, and, uh, oh, go play Roselgun. Jason A asks, hey, guys, do you think they'll be a successful PC console in the vein of the Steambox? On the server, it seems like a great idea. The 30-year library and the power of PC

mixed with the affordability and big screen of a console, but in practice, it just hasn't worked out yet. Thanks, guys. Your content is 100% brick. No, there won't be. And for my money, I think Steambox was the chance. It was the chance for Valve to say, hey, everybody, we have something that's amazing here. PC gaming is amazing.

Steam is amazing. Everything's cheaper. Everything's cooler here. Here is the Steambox. You can get this. You can play 90% of the game. games and if you get to something else we will sell cards that we it will tell you what you need and where to get it and how to get it this is the answer and instead they said here's a controller everyone make a steambox here's computers in a different format and it was a million steamboxes

and it's the same cumbersome confusing experience that i don't want to invest time in yeah you know i mean someone needs to get it together and they were the ones they're the biggest they're the ones everybody believes in they could easily come on i know it's that they don't want it they don't want to get in the cons they don't there's no reason for them to get into the manufacturing of hardware. They can just sit there and keep making steam and make money hand over fist and never have to make a half life episode three. But if they would have done it, they were the people to do it and show it and make everyone believe in it and they didn't. They left it open and that's why nobody has a steambox. Nobody cares. Is it going to happen now or in the near

future? No. Is it going to happen at some point? It's a far conclusion that's going to happen. The, in my opinion. So I disagree with Greg and in certainly saying like no at all. I think it's inevitable. It's inevitable. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to hit you. I'm mad of you, but I didn't mean to hit you. It's okay. It's, I think it's inevitable that that they do it. And they, just whoever. It's, I agree that Steam and, you know, Valve really blew it with Steambox. I think they absolutely did. But I don't think they look at it like that.

I just don't think they care. Exactly. No, no. It's failing us. Someone is going to come along and they are going to care. Because to the point, like, there is a wealth of games spanning since the late 70s, really, that can be played on the same sort of, I don't want to say architecture, because that's, that's not necessarily true. but you can play like the the way we play a game like Oregon Trail is the way we play a game like Dota 2 right

it's it's a it's a mission it's a computer and a monitor and a mouse or a keyboard or something like that so in other words this whole legacy this lineage of of PC gaming is certainly going to be unified in some sort of way and some sort of box at some point in the future I can't I can't imagine that that's not gonna future I see is that yeah no one will ever get it together no one will ever be big enough and so it'll happen is, yeah, when consoles do die out or whatever, and there is no more set top boxes and whatever, however the fuck it all comes down is, it'll be that you have to suck it up and get a PC and figure it out, or whatever the new machine is or TV is, or dongle you plug in the, you know what I

mean? Like, we always talk about one day they're not being a console future or whatever. I don't think it'll be, though, that we're going to one, one purpose, one group that has it figured out in this one box. And I also did the no console future again, like. Not any time soon. Nope. I don't even know. I don't even know anymore.

This is necessarily going to be the last generation of consoles. No way. Not a chance in hell this is the last generation of consoles. We were all so wrong about that two, three years ago, four years ago. Final question in the day, Amaze Hobbs says, in the past you guys have talked about YouTube trying to take down Twitch using its new YouTube gaming service. With the introduction of YouTube bread, which will require content creators to pay a fee of $999 to keep their videos public, how do you guys think this will affect smaller channels that provide video game related content? There's a lot of things that are wrong with what you just said.

Yeah, I don't understand that. We don't pay anything. But I think this is like an important question to talk about because, There's a lot of people not understanding what this service is and the difference between YouTube gaming and YouTube Red and YouTube Yeah YouTube gaming is just a different way to look at at YouTube and everything we talked about pre it coming out about it versus Twitch They're not competitors in that way. It's just YouTube YouTube is a competitor to Twitch YouTube YouTube is just a different lens to put over to you to look at channels in a more video game focused way like if you go to gaming dot kind of to funny.com, it'll work. Same thing for gaming.

that kind of funny games. Same thing for gaming. Epic Mealtime.com. Like, it doesn't matter what the YouTube Gen. It just makes it look video gaming. It has different, like, chat windows and stuff and makes it seem more like people, how they consume video game content. So I think people get really confused about that. In addition to that, one day, they will have features Twitch has like paying for subscriptions and paying for emotes or use all that stuff. Cool. Until that day comes.

It's not even worth time out because we don't know what they're going to do. This YouTube bread thing, there's so much people that are confused about, so you're going to need to pay to be able to make money off your videos? No, just if you don't, the only way your videos are private is if you don't accept the new terms of service. And that's just because YouTube's like, this is what we're doing. Deal with it or get the fuck off. Yeah. And we'll see how this all shakes out. Like, I don't want to put my foot down and say, I believe this is going to be good for people. but right now I think that it is.

I think that overall this is going to benefit content creators and I think content creators are getting a little upset about it right now. But we're now getting paid off watch time instead of views, which should benefit the smaller channels even more because if you have a smaller audience that's really dedicated and watches your entire video. You put up a 30-minute thing about how to get this trophy in this game and only 300 people watch it.

Well, those 300 views would have been nothing before, but the fact that we're all coming and staying until the 30-minute mark when we get the trophy. Yeah. And we don't know what that payment plan looks like and we don't know whatever. It's a million dollars a minute. But that's the thing is I, you know, I don't want to say that it's better because I don't know. But I do think that there's potential for it to be better for smaller channels, specifically for channels like us who don't have a million subscribers but have, you know, a lot of really hardcore motherfuckers that watch these podcasts that we do.

That's going to be great for us. Yeah. Potentially. And again, that's only the people that are paying for YouTube read. We'll see how much this even gets adopted. Yeah. Like, if only 100 people do this, that means it only affects 100 people. The rest of people are getting ads like they always have.

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