Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Predictions and Bets For Next Gen - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 7

Episode Date: February 20, 2020

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What's up guys, welcome. It's a kind of funny games cast. I'm Tim Geddes. This is the new face of video games. Blessing at Ayoia, Jr. Tim Geddes. How you doing? Have you ever, like, hopped into a game, like, a quick match of, say, Apex Legends,

thinking that, like, I got a thing I got to do soon. And so I'm going to play a quick match. I'm going to drop spicy. And then you drop spicy and you live thinking that you're going to die. I just had one of those moments where, like, right before the show, I'm like, okay, I got to go do gamescast. And so I dropped super spicy thinking that, like, it's going to be like a two-minute game.

I'm gonna drop, you know, get kills can be fun. I made it out, made it out powerful, had all the weapons, had all the armor. Hell yeah. And it was one of those ones where I was like, oh, crap, I still gotta go though. And so I had to quickly died. Oh, you just had, oh, damn. I thought it was gonna have a more fun story. No, no, I'm just saying I just didn't want to delay this show 15 minutes.

Because I was about to, I was thinking about it. For that win, for that time. Yeah, we would have done it for you. We don't mind. Yeah. Next time. It would have been fine. The former and former himself, Imran Khan. Howdy?

I love the idea of trolling people by, like, helping them in games, So they have to stay longer because they can't leave. I like that. That's the worst. Was it you else playing with? It was like the only time where my teammates were gods. I was like, are you guys for real about to heal me again right now when I'm trying to die? I love it.

I love it. And one of the coolest dudes in video games, Greg Miller. I'm back, baby. Fresh out of dice. Yeah. Posting the Dice Awards for the third year? Fourth year. Yeah, yeah.

It's gone so fast. Some of those awards were baffling to me when I read them out. Which ones? The goose games? Yeah, yeah. It's like, that's a fine game. My favorite is, wow. watching the Twitch chat and Twitter melt down about it.

And they're like, these people vote on. These are idiots. I'm like, these people make your games. These are them voting on their peers. They think it's the best. What was that like being there though? Like what was the vibe like?

Because like from home, it was a shit storm of like, are they fucking serious? Oh, no. I mean, like when, until the Goose game won one game of the year, the place went crazy.

Like they were also happy that it won. They thought it was the coolest thing. Yeah. Oh man. And I know this. Don't let your memes be dreams. This is going to be hard to believe. But no one in that.

room gave a shit what the internet thought. None of the people who made your games were on Twitter or on Twitch being like, yo, man, they're pissed. It's like that thing with the two like fists, like holding hands of like irony poisoning and unironically loving something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's Goose game. Right in the middle. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, when it got, when it won, when it won, what, character or an achievement in character? Yeah. It was like, what the fuck? I was like, I knew. I, this is the first year where I knew winners ahead of time. Oh, yeah. Oh, you ain't seen nothing yet. You're bad now. Talk to me in an hour. Also, I'm so not used to having a watch.

For the watch bit, I looked at the fake watch. I always do when this is the real watch. There we go. There we go. If you're excuse me, I'm getting back to looking at my halo achievements. Yeah? Trying to figure out how many halos I've played and what halos I've played. Okay.

Where are you out with that? It looks like I played Halo 3, Halo 5, Halo 4. And then I have Halo Master Chief Collection trophies, but something's telling me, oh, this two. That might be real. Yeah, I think it's not, actually. I bet that that's something you did when we did like a let's play or something shit. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No one, though. A.O. 5. Or 3.5.4 is a weird order, but sure. Yeah. Well, it's because I have my tabs open that way. I'm not going to say yes. Because we had a long conversation. Well, that's interesting. I thought I remember playing Reach and ODST. I don't think I've ever switched my... In those days, could I have played locally on somebody else's and not logged in? Yeah. Okay, maybe that's what I did. Yeah. So, Thursday, you're going to start the fight.

Exactly. Mr. Shirtless Master Chief himself, Greg Miller. That is correct. Yeah. Yeah. We're starting our first full play-thering. for kind of funny of 2020 and it'll be my first play-through of Halo. Combat evolved. Yeah, you're gonna be my wingman, right? You're gonna be your wingman, dude. We got Jack and Alfredo from Achievement Hunter

waiting in the wings to shower us with Xbox stuff and Nuggets. All them Nugs. Yeah. I'm sweet, sweet Nugs. It's gonna be a fun time. I'm very excited. Old game. You know what I mean? The shooters have evolved.

Yes. Combat has evolved even further than it was in. I'll tell you, I played Halo, like the first Halo, like the campaign for the first time, literally last year. And I was actually pretty impressed. It's impressive. Yeah, I was like, this is, It's been way too long.

Way too long. But anyway, this is the Kind of Funny Games cast each and every week right here on YouTube.com slash Kind of Funny Games. We get together, talk about video games, all the things that we love about them. We just spent the last couple weeks doing the most iconic games of every console generation for Sega. Or not for Sega. That's the one we didn't do for Nintendo and Xbox and PlayStation. Because I had Sega on the mind.

I was thinking, like, if we were to do that, I don't know the team for that. I legit thought about it. I was like, what if we did do this? iconic Saturn games and Dreamcasts in Genesis. It could be fun. Maybe one day. Maybe one. Get me and leave it to sign in there.

We'll do it for you. Who? Levi Buchanan. Okay. Yeah. What's up with you in Saturn? I don't remember that. I had a Saturn.

Wow. I was a Sega kid blindly for forever. Yeah. Until the Saturn, that's what broke me. And then when they brought a Dreamcast, I was like, I cannot. Not today. I cannot support it. Would you be able to be able to?

I love that blessing on the lunch ride was talking about playing Sonic Adventure too. pretty much for the first time, right? Pretty much, yeah, for the first time. I was on sale on Xbox last night, and it was like five bucks, and I was like, I'll play Sonic Adventure 2 for five bucks. And he was like, wait, is this supposed to be one of the good ones?

Yeah, on the car ride, I was like, Tim, is Sonic Adventure 2 good? Because playing it, I was like, this is terrible. Like, whenever people insult Sonic games, this must be the one that they played. No. No?

No? Yeah, like, it's a, of the 3D Sonic games is one of the more well-loved ones. Oh, it's definitely one of the most loved. The Adventure Series is the most loved 3-D games. That's crazy, because Sonic Heroes are best. Most loved and good. Different things.

Different things. Okay, okay, I can see that I can understand. I can understand this being like your first 3-D Sonic and then falling in love with it. But as far as like the goodness of it, I'm like, dude, every other 3-D Sonic game I've played is better than this one. It was actually an attempt to get right the wrongs of Sonic Convention 1. Yeah. We're going to make this more level-based.

We're going to actually put more story in. That's like the one at the time. And now you go back to it was like, what the fuck is all this stuff? I played some of the Sonic Adventure 1 and I already knew that was like not good. But I had the idea in my head that like, oh yeah, people love Sonic Adventure too. So I'm going to play it and start playing. I was like, oh, this ain't the one, chief. At the time, all this stuff was amazing revolutionary.

Oh, yeah. Well, I was also telling Tim that I played Sonic Adventure 1 at the demo kiosk of like Best Buy or whatever on the dreams cast. And I was like, I remember being a kid and being like, this is the future. This is the future. The future goes fast. It goes fast. You can get the show ad free. and get the exclusive faux show by going to patreon.com slash kind of funny games.

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I'm going to shoot some stuff. Yeah. I know those little purple triangle dudes are going to run at me. The bruntz? I fucking hate them to shoot them, you know what I mean? You're about to be introduced to one of the greatest weapons of video game history, which is just the pistol from Halo 1. Yeah.

It's good. It's only Halo 1. It's exclusive to Halo 1. Oh wow. Being good. Is this one of the ones I gotta charge up? I hate charge of weapons. That's always a big thing about HAL.

When you get the sword. The sword and two? The sword and two, baby. I see that sword. It looks like a cool sword. It's a dope sword. The sword might be making their appearance. We have it.

It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. Today's topic, we are doing bets and predictions for the entirety of the next generation. That's a big, it's a big, all topic. A couple weeks ago we did bets and predictions for 2020. This is different. We're looking at at PS5. We're looking at the Xbox series X and series in general.

You know what I mean? Whatever the hell Nintendo got going on. It's going to be a fun time. That's if you want. Okay. Hey, we're all here. Because I thought about it. I was like, well, let me just stick it to Xbox and PlayStation.

But in that case, I might think about the Switch 2. The Switch 2. We'll start giving away your gold, yeah, buddy. Are we talking about the next generation? You're talking about what's going to happen in this generation? The next upcoming generation. The next seven to eight years of video games. Exactly.

Okay. Exactly. Gotcha. Right. But before we get into like our normal, go around the table, everybody throw some shit out there stuff, I feel like there's a couple top-level things that I want to ask for us to kind of take our bets on. This is our personal bets.

Some of the stuff might be updated from things we even predicted a couple weeks ago because things change. Information changes. You know what I mean, Greg? I do. Yes. There's always new information. So specifically, top-level stuff for the Xbox Series X and the PlayStation 5.

Let's start with PlayStation 5. When will the PlayStation 5 be revealed? Oh. Revealed. Revealed. We were all guessing maybe February. It got too close to February. You say we all.

Some of us were, you know, taking that back. Some of us lost some pizza bets. Okay, this is me. You said this, right? This is all you? Yeah. I feel like it was all of us last year. And then it got too close to February.

And everyone's like, well, it's not having in February. You know what I mean? I'm surprised. We already get February because February is a good month for it. And they did it with the PS4. And now we're just kind of moving past that. Like, maybe March? Maybe.

We'll see. Because that's the thing, man. They're not at E3. You're not. I doubt they're going to want to do it. During E3. No. No way.

Right? It's got to be before E3. Yeah. I'm going to say May. May. Because we talked about this before on PSA. How green a sand are you getting, though? So May.

Oh, do you want to get really specific? Hey man, let's get fucking spicy. All right. I'm going to throw my first bet out there. It will be a Tuesday. Okay. Okay. I'll dial that in.

I'll dial that in. But I'm just letting everyone know. I think it'll be a Tuesday. Okay. That's where we're starting. Oh, wow. What an episode you guys are for. Going around the table, does anyone think it's not May?

I think June. You guys say it has to be before E3? I don't think, well, let's define what reveal is. Because I think they drop a video of YouTube with like, this is the PS5. Here's a couple of small clips of like Al-Wi running out of the field or whatever. And like that's what all we see is say, see you in June. So more of a Nintendo Switch type approach. Yes.

Where it's like, hey, here's a video. But then there was that January event later. Yeah, a couple of, like, nice camera, like, pans around things. Then the week before E3, before Microsoft gets on the stage and says their thing, here's all the games we've got, here's a new Capcom game, here's a new Sony game, whatever, all that stuff. That's how they reveal this thing by stealing Thunder and showing that they're the ones that are in charge of the industry. So, okay, let's take it to set back then. Taking bets here.

Will there be a PlayStation 5 event? Yes. When you say event, what do you mean? Like, reveal event where there is some form of... Because I don't think there's going to be a conference. I think what it's going to be is a state of play, but then press go down, similar to what happened with the last list, part two, where press go down and get to have actual hands on with it,

but then after the state of play, get to actually talk about their impressions and put those articles out there. To define event, then, I'll say with the release date and price. That I think is going to occur in June. Because it worked out well for them with the PS4, I had that thing around D3, where everyone else gets to reveal their overall. games too and create a big, like, picture, a narrative for what that next system is going to be.

And for Sony that year, it was like, we have Kingdom Hearts, we got Final Fantasy, we got all that shit that you want to see. Here, like, go ahead and start, we open the Puehers right now. Go ahead, we'll look at the numbers later. Like, that I think is going to be their main thrust, but I think they're going to show a thing before that of just, like, dramatic angles and a couple of small clips. Just the corners of the console? They will definitely do the dramatic angles, but it will be teasing an event in, maybe it's,

and I don't know, maybe it's just a graphic like they've done. but it'll be an event in May. I think you don't do it during E3. You don't want to get too close to E3. You want everybody living in your shadow, but you want it close enough to E3 that all your partners who are making games and getting ready to show shit on your stage.

Also, you're the big dick swing, and it's a huge deal with PlayStation 5. It's more than a normal Sony press conference, right? And I do think, I know we've gone back and forth on this on the shows before. I do think it's a traditional press conference. I do think it is a stage presentation. They're at the Shrine Auditorium.

They're at New York. theater. Yeah, they're at their place. The PlayStation concert hall we said years, do something there. Do something there. Like, they're there. And I think it is, hey, you're all there. Come see it.

And afterwards, the press goes. Yeah, I think it's a lot of stream. Afterwards, the press goes and plays whatever, tinkers with stuff somewhere. I think by A3, they will need to have places in four, or places in five controllers on the show floor for third parties to have demos for games. That's a great point. That's a great point. So they need to have things revealed by then at the latest.

That's a really great point. Fuck. Tuesday, May 12th. I'm locking down. I could believe that for the initial thing. This is the patient Vive. Here's the logo. Here's all that stuff.

I think the, that will then say, further details or price and release it or whatever in one month. And then when, do you think that would be during E3? Before E3, the week before E3. Oh, so early June? Yes.

It's like the second, the week of the second, or the week of the first month. Before Phil Spencer gets on a stage, and when they have, by that point, I'm sure they will have a decent idea of how much the Xbox will cost. They will have a, their own pricing and date announcement. Okay, so I'm putting Tuesday, May 12th, Imran's the week before E3. Yeah. Put me down for Tuesday, May 19th. I love you. Yeah.

There you go. And I'm saying, I think it's, going to be a stream like a state of play yeah okay cool we'll put that down a actually actually when judges week usually I don't think they would do it during the month before he three usually yeah yeah it's May do we know what week it usually happens because I don't want to conflict but I mean I should know isn't judges week not happening ooh because Jeff Keel usually yeah that's true but they would still do it right they would just have somebody else organize it I mean Jeff always organizes it so yeah

yeah I don't think So really? I don't think Judges Week is going to happen. Third parties like it, but if no one was not organized it, then... Last year, May 13th that week was Judge's week. Let me give you the year before that. Last... Oh, no, this exact same week

the year before, the 14th. I'm going off the Monday. I mean, Judge's Week has gotten a little weird over the last couple of years of, like, people just kind of pull out and it's... I'm going to stick to May 19th. So it's always that middle week. Gotcha. Of the month. Yeah, May 19th that I'm going to stick to. So you're going to go.

So right now... In your head, is that the week of or the week after? The week after. Gotcha. Okay. So you're saying it's the week of the 11th. Yeah, that would... I got Tuesday, May 12th.

The week of the 18th. Imron's the week before E3. Bless is Tuesday, May 19th with a state of play. Yep. What did you say? Tuesday, May 12th. I could see all of those is plausible, honestly. That's the thing.

I think it's all plausible. I don't have the balls to say whether it would be a conference or a state of play. No? It's a bad. Do something. I think it's a conference for sure. Like, even Nintendo did a conference. Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah, I'm going to conference. We shall see. I think it's going to be a conference, and I think they're going to say, we're going to give a thousand seats away to PlayStation fans. Like, the biggest place in, what if they even use that conference? You want to put that as a bet?

No, I'm flucking around. But, like, that's a great way to get, like, a big part from the audience to re-say anything. Like, only shit, it's NAC-3. PSX-X-style. Yeah, people lose their mind for NAC-3. They start bowing.

He's our God. Is he? Do I have to acknowledge him as God? I'm saying, week of the 11th, which would... May 11th? Yeah, yeah, sorry, May. I've been May for a while now. I think it's part of...

See, that's what's fucked up, is I think it's part of Judges Week, but Judge's Weeks is gone, so it's his own thing now. That would actually be a great opportunity for them with Judges leaping in... Exactly, right? Hey, we have all the judges,

the E3 judges in one area, right? The heads of state from all these different sites. Why wouldn't you want them all to be there? Why would they care about that, though? Because wouldn't they just fly them out no matter what anyways? Sure, but think about, like, again, and I'm not even trying to, like, because we go to Judge Week, obviously. So I'm not trying to say, like, oh, Pat us in the back.

But, like, I think it's harder to get Andy McNamara somewhere than it is a reporter from Game Informer, right? For the PS5 launch, though. You know what you mean? Yeah, but again, if they're already there, you also have the fact, and you can tell you definitely know this better than I do. Andy McNamara doesn't write that much anymore. He does not. He would still bring a price person. That's why I was there last week.

We'll write for him, basically. Yeah, he would bring, because he sucks. for Andy McIna, we love you, Andy, we love you. I think regardless of Andy McNamara being there, and it's all in Andy McNamara now. I think it would be the idea that you would be there'd be game informer reporters there,

but you'd also have Andy McNamare there. You'd also have, even if Jeff Gersman's going to send somebody else to cover it, he'd be there. I think there's part of that you want the heads of state, the people who are in charge of all the sites, to be there on top of their normal staff that I'm sure you're extending invites to too. And I feel like it could easily come in

and fill a spot of like what Destiny 2's reveal was, what Call of Duty's reveal is, where we go to that stupid airplane hanger, you know what I mean, where it's like, we're doing an off-site big thing that, both of those events, right, were off-site big things that were streamed to the general public and somehow had been timed with Judges Week, and they worked out that way.

But the fact that Jeff's not going anymore, and I've heard nothing about them, what does that do to Judges Week? I don't know. If there is no Judges Week, like, if Sony made a replacement that's just about PS5, it's like, okay, here's the day you spend with the Horizon Does and the day you spend with, like,

media model. Like that would be insane. That's too far. That's not Sony at all, but that would be such an amazing way to introduce that thing of like every outlet in the world would suddenly have an amazing, or not in the world, but like every major outlet would have a PS5 spread the second they're ready to announce it. So yeah, Greg, what do you got there? Okay, so I'm saying, yeah, I think it's

Thursday, May 14th. The final day of judges, what would have been judges. week. Because that's where the destiny thing was, right? And that's definitely where we're one

the call of duties. I thought I remember those being the big like end caps to it. One of the last year's college duty was a bit earlier in the week,

but yeah. Shit, fuck. Fuck. Okay. I'm locking in. Locking it now. Are you? Hold on.

Let me look at a when does Call a duty user reveal? When it reveals is usually like a month after a judge's week. So not a month of that like right before E3.

Yeah. All right. Having the reveal at a PS5 event would be pretty cool. And not, not on, Because the last Call of Duty was revealed

our last generation with the Xbox event. Because it was the dog. I'm thinking what they want to reveal after the consoles are already like new consoles. Because the next Colody is obviously going to be on the next gen consoles. They're not going to review. And I know that's more so dictated by like Call of Duty

isn't going to make Sony or Microsoft move when they announced their consoles. Yeah. But also this one has been weird. Like we already have an outsides of Xbox Series X and PS5 games. Like there was that thing at the Game Awards. It was like, this game is on PS5 too. Yeah, and we know that we know the details of like ray tracing

and SSD and like stuff that they can mention in the call-d-review regarding the new consoles. Yeah. The secrecy is less now, which is good in a lot of ways, but also really confusing for the stuff. Where is this thought process going? Destiny 2 review was Thursday June 6th. Wait, no, that's not right.

That can't be right. We were there. Oh, that's like the next chapter of Destiny 2. It's always so hard to fucking and finally these kind of things and you're like, I need the reveal. And everybody's like, I don't know what I was anymore.

Well, he thinks about that. I'm moving on to the next one. No, no, no, let's lock it in. I don't want to jumble it all up. So, shit, fuck. You got Thursday, May 14th right now. Yeah, yeah, I know.

Let's move it to Wednesday, May 13th. Wednesday, May 13th. All right, you guys are all going hard in May, but. Hey, man. We'll see who wins. You know what I mean?

Somebody's got to lose. That's how it works, right? When will the Xbox Series X be revealed? And by revealed, I mean, you know what I'm talking about. Sunday. We're getting a date.

Sunday, we're getting a thing. Yeah. Yeah. That's a slam dunk. They have that show to basically themselves now. They might as well,

like, go big and go hard. Mm-hmm. PS5 just like 10 minutes. This one. Yeah. We all know. When will the PS5

be released? I went into the annals of history here. As I did for this PlayStation 4 at a reveal event that you're all hung up. on right remember of course place or the PlayStation 4 reveal event was on a Wednesday you were all on Tuesdays that's why I defaulted back to that Wednesday just feels right to me okay cool whatever they don't want to compete with all those

new games though you know things are different also you wait too long in May you're up against a fast and few years crossroads or whatever so it's a good point that's very good right yeah so PlayStation 5 release date I'm saying November 13th 2020 which is a Friday yep I think it'll also be a Friday uh-huh what do you think I'm going November 20th that Friday yeah I was leaning towards the 13th originally. I'm going earlier, November 6th. I think they made that decision by now,

and I think they're thinking, okay, what if production problems cause a thing with coronavirus or whatever, and they have to get another shipment out before Black Friday. That gives them two weeks to do so. The less sign they have between that and Black Friday, the worst it is for them. Plus?

I already said 20th, but the only reason I'm going off of that is from history. I feel like last time for PS4 and Xbox, right? It was... PS4 last time around was November 15th, 2013. Okay, and then Xbox was the week before. The week after. The week after, so I haven't flipped in my head, actually.

Okay. In that case. Meanwhile, PS3 released on November 17th, 2006. Xbox 360, November 22nd, 2005. My thing is this. I think it's going to be PlayStation 5 November 13th, their traditional release window, right? And I think Xbox usurps them and goes with the sixth. I think Xbox is a series Xx.

takes this because I think Xbox is going for the throat. I think they want it. It's the whole thing where they said they're not going to be outplayed in power this time around. I definitely think they don't want to be outplayed in any way. I think Price might be the only thing that might get them hung up. I mean, so that I'll also add in here. When's the Xbox

Series X launching? So I'm going to switch over my PS5 thing to the 13th cover. Now that I... You're just going to steal my answer. I'm stealing Greg's answer. November 13? Because I'm thinking that the Xbox Series X is October. My question is, what Friday of October? How early are we getting?

Because something of my balls tells me that it is October 6th, October 10th. Of the Saturday? Is that a Saturday? Yeah. October 9th. October 9th. I could say it. They're being treated non-traditional now.

But my thing there is I'm thinking, all right, it's launching, it's an Xbox, we got a halo. When do we want to get that out there? and for some reason my balls are telling me the ninth but my heart is telling me a week after that that's what you think halo companies? Yeah, well both. Okay, okay. So that would be the, I have the 17th there.

Is that not right for a Friday? Yeah, that's the 16th. The 16th of the 16th. I'm going to go October 16th for the Xbox Series X. I'm going to go even crazier than you. I'm going to say they're going to go real fucking wild. They're going to do September 17th,

which is a Thursday. Guys, look under your team. TV, the Xbox Series X is out now. So that's on Thursday, but it's also the day of Cympunk 277. And they're going to launch with that game with an Xbox Series X version. Not necessarily bundled in, but saying like,

hey, it's fucking better here. We're trying to prove our point. It is better here. Play this game here. There ain't going to happen, but I love it. I love that. Wait, hold on. What was it?

You said September 16th? 17th. 17th. Oh, my God. Can you imagine? You'll love to see it. I love it. I feel like I remember the wording being holiday 2020 in their reveal.

There are always a lot of change their mind. Halloween's a holiday. Yeah. But they also released the gears of war on September last year, and that was insane for a lot of reasons. Like, they're warming up more to the summer months than they were before. I'm going to stick to what I was thinking. I'm going to go the 20th. So that's Friday the 20th of November.

That's what I'm going. Greg Miller. I was the first one out the gate. What did you say? I said PlayStation 5 November 13th. Xbox Series X, November 6th. Okay, cool. How much will the PlayStation 5 cost?

$500. Yeah. $4.99.99. I think right now they're probably between a crossroads between $400 and $500. I would bet they would prefer not to take a loss, but they will if they think Microsoft is going to undercut them. So I think at the end of the day, we'll get a PS4, for $400, but nothing extra beyond just that console.

If it were $500, I think it would be like, it comes to three months of PS Plus or whatever. Is you think at launch, they'll have the two skews? No, I don't think it'll be the one skew, but I think it'll just be $400, and that's it. No, like extra bundle PS Plus or whatever. So what do you take from the rumors this week about component cost or whatever? I think they picked it like $450.

Yeah. 470. No, no, no. 450. $450 was how much it would cost to manufacture the box. And then it was the argument of how much do you tack on there to try to make something off of it? And $470 seemed to be the going conversation. Right.

I think they'll sell it at a loss, but they'll make it up on PS Plus and the initial few games. Sure. Like I think they take it a loss at that level, or $400 is flat. Yes. Wow. It worked out so well for them with the PS4. But the loss wasn't that much on the PS4, right? Yeah, because it was a weaker processor, fairly cheap to actually put in there.

Yeah, yeah. So it wasn't a huge loss. but I think this one, since services are a much bigger deal, that they're going to push PS Now and PS Plus and all that stuff and probably make it up on like two or three games. Okay, fascinating. Plus and I were talking about this a lot over Games Daily the last couple weeks. But I feel like no matter what Xbox does, PlayStation is going at 500.

They actually said the opposite though, right? Like a couple weeks ago, like we're going to look at the competition before we decide the price. I think if Xbox goes, 400, I do think they'll go 400, but I don't think Xbox is going to go 400. To be undercut by 100 is a big deal. Yeah, that is a big deal. That's why I think both of them are going to come out at 500, and then Xbox is going to have a second skew that might go under 400, but I don't think that second skew is going to make PlayStation reconsider that 500.

I just think PlayStation understands what they have, and that is, you know, the install base of the PS4 and the games, and they're going to have the games, they're going to have the sequels to the games that people care about. and 500 is just not out of this world for for a new console. I just think that makes sense for hardware. I do think Jim Ryan, though, is the current head of PlayStation. He, more than anyone, is very perceptive

of how much high prices have hurt that brand. So during the PS3, he had to work to fix that image because it was killing them for most of that generation. But the thing there for me is, I just don't think 500's that much. 600 is, especially back then. And I feel like that was also like... For what tech could be. It was also a competition.

thing. Like if 360 was also that comparative price, then I think it would have been less of an issue for PS3. I think it would have still been an issue. I just think that that was an outrageous price for tech then. We have consoles right now that are $500 with the 1X. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm still sticking to 400, but I think it's not because it costs 400. I think it's because that's what they can sell it at. Agreed. Yeah. And that was what the conversation I was having on the shows this week about the price, right? of like even if it is $450 to manufacturing, like, okay, well, then what do they increase it by? And like, okay, so $470, maybe they saw it.

$470 is such an ugly, not round number that you would go up to $499.99, right? And what I think is fascinating about it is I remember earlier in the conversations, not granted, this is all fucking rumor mill. None of it can be traced back to anybody in true, right? But like when they were talking about, well, PlayStation's going to be less powerful than the Xbox Series X, but it'll be the cheaper the option that way. I think with these rumors, Microsoft's probably breathing aside a relief. And I bet that even though it costs them more,

I think they're going to take the bigger loss to go down to $499. I think both units are going to be $4.99. I agree. So next question is, what's the Xbox Series X cost? And is there other series? And what do they cost? $4.99 for the Xbox Series X. And then, yes, I think there will be another unit at launch.

I say $499. No other unit. I think Series X comes in at $49. I think there will be another unit within the first couple of months, but that will probably retail for about 300 to 350. But I think right now their Xbox 1X is going to be their cheaper skew. Do you think with the ones you think in the coming months, they'll be this cheaper series,

do you think that's announced at E3 as well, or is E3 just here is the series X, this is what we're doing? I don't know, because they've been really weird about it. Like they announced series X that aren't really saying what that means. And then they came back like two days later and like, well, that's just one of the model very, So it's Xbox and it's series whatever? Yeah.

The thing is I can't tell right now are they being deliberately obtuse? We keep saying series and both of our phones freaking out. That makes sense. Yeah, that was happening earlier. Yeah, PSI Love You like yesterday was flipping out. Available not podcast services.

It's so funny. I don't know if they're being obtuse right now on purpose or they're just not ready to talk about it. So if it like, well, honestly E3 is going to be a big reveal event for them because it will help us know what they're thinking is for the future. Yeah, of course.

So I would bet they do a Series X of 500, but they'd also bundle it with a year of Game Pass and just get too stuck in that mentality. Totally. Yeah, yeah. I think we're getting the Series X 500. I think we're also getting Series X at 300 or below. Wow.

I don't know about at below or below, but 300 sounds right. I'm 299. For me, I'm still split on what the, I don't know if it's going to be called the Series S or whatever. I still feel like the SX branding is somewhat, confusing that they might consider changing it to like series A or whatever it might be. But I'm split on whether or not it's going to be like an all digital thing or just a less

powerful version of the X or both. Because I feel like depending on how they scale that, they could get away with maybe like somehow lower than 300. But I'm kind of. That's my thing. It's I think they're going to go with 350 for whatever the second model might be. And I'm going to say that, yeah, it's going to be like a. I'm trying to say whether or not

I think it's going to be all digital or just less powerful. I mean, if you could make it largely XCloud dependent and then not worry about the power difference that much. Yeah. It's the streaming box, right? Well, I'm not even thinking of it as the streaming box.

I'm thinking of it as like the digital box. You put this out and you bundle it with Xbox GamePass and you really push Xbox Game Pass is the way you're going to interact with this thing. Like, yeah, here's this big, digital library and like here's this console that you don't need a disc for because you have this huge library already just go at it yeah you know what fucking at E3 they're gonna announce the details for the two that are gonna be launch day

available series X at 500 series S at $100 no way you're a all digital dude it's gonna be like Chrome's cast Chromecast but if it's an X cloud machine I can be with you what's gonna be I think they're a low-cost option right now is the Xbox one. Yeah, that's my thing is I think that, and that's why I think you don't, even though it would be cool to have a cheaper new Xbox series, whatever you want to call it, I think their whole thing they've been going with is this Xbox ecosystem. And I think for introduction, for first blush, to get people excited for this cool, crazy

box to run Halo Infinite and make it look amazing, I think you just have the one box. And then, hey, guess what, though, all this is still playable on the Xbox you already have, or possibly in probably more like, not even more likely, that's rude, possibly. possibly that you never bought. Now you have a reason to buy it. You know how good, you've heard how great game passes, you've heard how cool XCloud is,

you now see the cool stuff we're doing that still works on that and looks worse, but if you don't believe in us or you just have your Xbox disconnected or you never turn it on, we're making it so we're not, their biggest problem with launching a new generation and not even that big of a problem,

but a problem they have, I think, is distancing themselves and not salting the earth with people who are early adopters or people adopted in general Xbox 1. Because if you bought Xbox 1 on the promise, you were going to have all these awesome exclusives, right? PlayStation had more.

That's just math right there, right? So I can understand people being like, I love my Xbox, but I never turn it on. So why would I buy another one? Why would I go out and buy this really expensive, crazy one? Now it is that idea of like, no, the platforms are there, the systems are there, the games are coming, if not there at launch, go ahead and turn it on.

And when you do turn it on, you start playing Halo Infinite, and you start having a great time, you start using GamePass, hopefully you look at it and you're like, man this is great and it kind of looks crappy so why not go get the new Xbox why not come into that see I think it's the way that they're going to even have a shot at winning next generation is totally based on the ecosystem totally based on all that and it's not going to be about selling the expensive system that is going to be the more kind of the premium luxury stuff that they want to have as an option but I think

it is going to be like yeah it's playable on all the other Xboxes you have them but if you aren't in this ecosystem at all here's a hundred dollar option to get in because I think the idea of Xbox one being like the lower tier option for Xbox fans. I feel like the lowest tier option really is having a PC and playing Xbox games through that, right? The lowest tier option is having a phone and playing X cloud. Yeah, that's the thing is like I don't

like I think for them they are looking at giving people the most options as possible to get into their ecosystem and not necessarily relying on a box, which is why I think they'll be okay with releasing multiple boxes at a same time and give you reasons to you know, just want to jump in, right?

And so I'm going to actually go with 350. So 349-99 for a second Xbox model and I think it'll be announced at E3 I think Phil Spencer or whoever will be Phil Spencer will come out and be like oh yeah oh we talked about the Xx Gano Reeves yeah hella Reeves because you like cyberpunk your your breathtaking no I think Brett I think Phil Spencer comes out and is like yeah we've talked about the Xbox series X here's all the details here's the price but we have one more thing to show you here's the Xbox series S and they showed off and it's like yeah it's

all digital still you know it's more powerful than Xbox one all this stuff and they kind of, they pitch it in a way where it's like, okay, yeah, we get it. And they end with 34999. And even though, like, you know, I've been kind of going for the idea that Xbox doesn't want to compete with PlayStation, this is a move to compete with PlayStation in the idea that if the PS4 comes out at $500, right, you have the Xbox One X, or Xbox Series X, that is 500. You have the Xbox series, quote, S, that is 350.

That way they can say they have the most powerful console, right? and also say we have the cheapest console and kind of choke them from both ends in that way. I think Microsoft is seeing the new generation, the new market as like, like we've always perceived it as there's a box and the box puts out images to you or whatever. It's like box media out from there.

Microsoft is perceiving it as media in center and then goes to all these different devices. They're basically seeing the future console market as Fortnite. Because Fortnite is one thing that exists out there and beams to all these different other devices as its own existing ecosystem. So it's hard to say how that's going to work for them, but I do think that they're kind of,

like they're perceiving where the generation's going right. Yeah. It just is the market ready to follow them quite down that path right now. It's exciting times, man. What will be the first party launch titles for Xbox? So we already know Halo Infinite. Will there be more?

We're guessing Hellblade, because they don't announce that. I don't think that'll be like 2020. What year are we in? 2021. What years? Yeah, no,

I wish, but I think, yeah, that's, that's just something they have work. I don't think there'll be another big. First party. First party.

Yeah, what do you count? What do you count by big? We're having. A couple days ago we were talking about that of will it be launched or not. Playground, I don't think it'll launch. I don't think it'll be like maybe.

That's another one that I'd probably say 2021, maybe or 2022. But what if it launched? Hear me out. What if it launched? So let's think about who they... Give me the pitch of that, Greg. Halo's a launch title. And everybody flips the fuck out. Halo and Fable.

What did I say? Yeah. I'm talking about Fable. I'm talking about Fable from Playground. How rad that would be. Is that too much, though? I almost think that's too much. I feel like it's better for them to have that, like,

plan of constant content coming around. Yeah. Keep you excited. Keep you subscribe. Have we ever had a console launch with two top tier bangers from first party? Because like the one, I mean, as far as like... Mario 64 and Pilotway...

Yeah, I was gonna say, like, I go to Nintendo, right? And Breath of Wild, right, came out, but Mario Odyssey wasn't until like a half-year-old later, right? And even for... On October, rather. I'm trying to think of what the PS3 launch lineup is. We, like, looked all this up recently, but it was one of those ones where it's like... Resistence for, come on. What else do you need, but...

Come on, man. And like, what, Melgersaw 4 was launch window or... No, it was like two years later. That was way out. When did they had trophies of the PS3? Because did they have a trophy like several years late. MDS4, they added them well post-patch. It was Super Stardust and then Uncharted,

which, not Charter was already way out. Was MDS2 launch window, PS2? It was the first year. Yeah, yeah. Okay, maybe that's one I'm mixing up with. It was the same- Well, I mean, it was in the first year of the system being out,

but you figure it launched October 26, 2000, and then it was November 2001 that Metal Gear Solid 2 came out. That first theater of PS2, like, with all that stuff. Because our first holiday was that big banger of Devil May Cry, 510, Yeah. It was insane. Manavision.

Like, it was an insane first year, though. It was probably the best first year I've ever seen for a console. I don't think anyone's ever done anything quite that well since then. It's the first year? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Launch.

Not so much. I think it's just going to be Halo. I think it will be first party games, but I don't think they'll be on the level of Halo. I always forget, what's the one where, what's the one of my wife? That's the new obsidian game? Yeah. Yeah. The thing they were kicking around for a while, that didn't announce it up for X.

Everything they've announced for Xbox 1, we can assume they're going to be on Xbox. Yeah. Series X. Yeah. But in that respect. There's also, what, Ever Wild from Rare? Yeah, I bet Rare has a new game. Rounded.

Not Ever Wild. Like a new, the kind of game you'd expect from Rare. At launch. Like a banjo? Launch window, probably. I'm saying launch. Launch Day? I think launch day, they're not going to want to take away from Halo.

Yeah. But I think it also... Any disagreement? No. I think there'll be some third party stuff. I think for sure Avengers and Cyberpunk will be there. I think there'll be first party stuff, but just not the stuff we'd really think about.

Like I could see there being like a... Like something of the tier of like Rice and a Room, where it's like something that we're not thinking about, maybe like a new title where it's like, oh yeah, here's a throwaway launch title. I don't want to beat down Rice and Rome too much because I know... I actually don't know anything about Rise and Rome.

Actually, let me throw this out there. I bet you Dead Rising Five, published on Microsoft. I thought about that, too. Dead Rising. You think so? Oh, you know what? My problem with Dead Rising 5 is Microsoft,

especially with Gears 5 having come out in, granted, you know, a lot of people played it wherever, but no fanfare, I feel for it. I know this is subjective, obviously. I feel like this has got to be the generation where they get, like, they have to change the image, right? They have to change the narrative here. I feel like Dead Rising would be so back to the well.

Is it going to be frank again? Is it going to, you know what I mean? Like, is it a total reboot and it's totally different? It's like scary or whatever? Or is it still just run around the mall fucking people up? I think if you nail that game and there's no reason to assume Capcom can't nail it now because they've really had quite the resurgence the last couple of years. Yeah, yeah.

If you nail that game, it will remind people why they love the Xbox brand in the first place. Okay. I think if they went and they did it ground up, remake, whatever you want to, or not, you know what I mean, reboot. We're going to do something totally different and it is going to be scary. Not survival horror, but scarier. It's not going to have that goofy side to it. But even like Dead Rising, Four. right? I remember being like, I

reviewed a bunch of Dead Rising for IGN, but I remember when Dead Rising 4 was coming out, I was like, oh man, awesome, yeah. And I remember getting into it and like, it totally wasn't dead rising, it wasn't hard. Like, Boston used to be such a bitch. They lost the point of that series over the years. Like, originally it was just a, here's a rogue like

with zombies. Or not, a rogue-ish kind of game with zombies. And they're like, well, people don't like this part. What if we just exchange this and this and focus on more wacky stuff? And it just kind of became that frankestine and creation of like, well, what game is this anymore? Yeah, just a bunch of ideas. And they're like, oh, it's Frank.

Everybody wants Frank. So I can't remember Frank. Tweaking it a little bit to, instead of just first party titles, exclusive. Well, I do think there's going to be a first part, another first part of title. Forts and Motor Sport 8. Oh, yeah. That makes sense. That'll launch with Series X.

I always discount Ford's, yeah. I always discount Ford's like it. They're really great games. They sell really well. Horizon is probably my favorite exclusive on Xbox. Mm-hmm. I don't really think about the Motorsport Sports and Motorsport ones, but Forter Horizon. But they always make such a big deal, like, here's the car that we're revealing.

Yeah. It's a huge deal to card heads because it's like literally the first reveal of that car. It would be like if we were watching a, you know, a car thing. And like, also we have fours and they're like, holy shit, there's a new video game here. Yeah. I'm going to go that. Halo and Forza are the two exclusives. I can see it.

That Xbox has. They both complement each other and are not going to cannibalize each other. Yeah. Anything else though? And they need it for the graphics. Are you adding your Dead Rising? I'll throw Dead Rising in there, yeah. Ball's going to like it.

I'm going to throw something out there. I don't think it's going to happen, but I think there could be a possibility of, was it this last year that NBA Live didn't come out? Yes, they canceled. They canceled it because of whatever, right? They were going to go like a feed-of-play kind of thing and didn't pan out and, yeah.

What if they're, and this isn't going to happen, but what if Microsoft made a deal with EA to get NBA Live exclusive to that platform? I don't know. Just throwing that out. Because it would piss off 2K so much they wouldn't put on the, or put 2K on the Xbox. You think that would happen?

Yes. That wouldn't happen. You were forgetting about the time when Sega used to make their own sports games and EA refused to put their sports games on the console. But you're just cutting off money at that point, S2K. If you got pissed and you didn't put the game out on the console. It's happened. Like, there's precedent for it is all I'm saying. That's crazy.

So I have Haloed Forza. Imran has Halo Forza and Dead Rising. You have. Halo and Forza. Greg has. Okay, cool. And probably some, like, probably some like smaller tiles

I can't really predict things that I don't know that exists what's the weird local cycle logo cycle yeah that was not coming back that doesn't play in 2020 how the fuck did that happen like that's crazy it's loco you know what I mean

I figure what was the game they did before that uh comic cosmic jumper something like that the explosion man the stringer yeah that's one thing enough um where do you come down

this is I think I don't think it was introduced in predictions for that, but do you think of this Xbox reveal event? They show a Marvel game that's exclusive? I would want them to. Yeah, that's my... I think they show the initiatives game regardless of whether it's a Marvel game or not. They have to show the initiatives game.

Do you think that's just a logo or like a name? No, I think they have something. They've had a year and a half to work on it by now. So like by the time they actually fully staffed up. So I think they show what an abernus. That sounds like a logo to me. Like a name to me. I think it'll be more than a logo.

But like, I don't think it's going to be anything like. It'll be like, What we got from Avengers? In the beginning? What was a... The game that just came out that was the shooter... Outriders? Yeah, Outriders, that's right.

It'll be like that. Where that trailer, I was like, oh, Outriders, I wouldn't watch the original debut. I'm like, I'm not one of don't remember this. It's running around doing shit, you know what I mean? Like, I think it'll be something like that. But I think it's in the same breath as like where Senua's Army or whatever... Hoblay 2 Sunaway, Saga. Yeah, where that's at, right, where I feel like it'll be on a level of that,

where it's very much a glimpse of what we're doing or what we're doing or what... how good it looks and this is the main character of what we're up to. Hopefully it's a Wolverine like you said, Tim. Shout to Drew Murray for having to put up to so many tweets about that and just shrugging. He didn't deny it. He didn't say no.

I don't have you watched the content. I think it was just, hey, everybody's tweeting me. Why? Okay, same question for PS5. What will be the launch exclusive PS5 titles? Horizon One Dawn. One Dawn.

Is that what you're going with for the name? That's not the name, no. It'll be Horizon 2. First Dawn. Horizon 2. I do think it'll be Horizon. I think, last on. Like, it'll be time to, I think it's time for that sequel to be ready and ready to go.

And I think with Hulse at the head of Sony Worldwide Studios, he's going to want to show his baby for the last couple of years. And I think it'll probably look amazing. By you, bless. I'm not, I'm still not sold on the idea that, like, it's going to be Horizon. Like, I'm not sold that there's going to be, like, a knockout, like, one of those ones that's going to be ready at launch. I think there has to be this gen.

Does there have to be, though? I think going up against Halo, like when there is this question of like losing the momentum, I really think there needs to be a huge Sony game of consequence this holiday. I do think Sony also knows that their first party is their biggest asset. And they have to push something huge at launch to show that, yeah, no, we get it. You want the single player narrative prestige games. We're going to have one of those.

But I don't know if that has to come out at launch, though. Like I feel like they could, they could announce them for launch window or like, how long does launch window last? It used to be a month, but now it's exploded like six months. When I say, I'm thinking, I'm thinking like sprint. But remember when Nintendo totally abused it for Wii? They're like, it's a launch window. It was like a year and a half later. They're still trying to tell those games.

Because when I say launch window, I mean like 20, 21 also. But I think they could announce Horizon for spring 2021 and Spider-Man 2 for 2021, 2021, maybe say 20-202. maybe say 2021, then delayed to 2022, right? And then just say the words God of War to you and not give us any more information. And people will get the message. And then they could do like a, they could do like pretty much the traditional

launch lineup that is filled with fine to good games. I feel like there's going to be a title to sell the system that people are going to buy that day when people are also considering buying the Xbox Series X or the cheaper one, whatever it is. And I think that of the big ones, it's not going to be Spider-Man and it's not going to be God of War.

Yeah. So I think Horizon is the only one that fits. Are we including titles we think are exclusive, not necessarily like from Sony? It's just exclusive. I think Street Fighter 6. Oh, I like that. So there's a thing with Capcom Cup this year where they said people who win this year

are not necessarily guaranteed placement next year. Usually when they say that, there is something up. So I would assume that means there's a new Street Fighter revision or a new game coming. I think they've revisioned themselves out at that point, right? They like the championship edition they've said is probably the last one. Yeah. So right now we have Greg Horizon 2, Me Horizon 2, Imron, Horizon 2, and Street Fighter 6. Blessing. Man.

I want to do research. I want to say, like, what was their name? Blue Points Game. Oh, yes, yes, that's right. It's hard to say what that is. You can say Blue Points game. Yeah, Blue Points game, I think is fair. I don't think that'll be launch. I don't either.

I think it's going to be revealed. It'll be revealed at the event, yes, but it won't be a launch. I still think it's demon. I think with all my heart, it's demon souls. I'm going to say... I do think it's a launch title. I think launch a window. Okay, but not launch a day.

Not launch a day. Put me down for a blue point's title also. Oh, and then, um, Resilgun, that studio. Housemark. I think Housemark. They're crazy thing they've been talking about. Yeah, they've been talking about. Battle Royale or something?

No, they walked away from that. Okay. They put up the whole post and like, hey, the whole team's transition to this crazy thing we're doing with a partner for something coming up soon. I think House Mark's game is going to be there. I think they're working on a quote, AAA game, right? Yeah.

We still don't know how rematchers are going to work, but if they do work the traditional way, I expect Last of Us in Death Stranding will be there day one. Yeah. So then final say is here. Launch Day 4, PlayStation. Greg Horizon 2, Tim Horizon 2, Imran Horizon 2, and Street Fighter 6.

Blessing, Blue Points game and a housemark game. Sorry, I'm looking through a list of PlayStation games right now. Do you think an Ape Escape thing they've been teasing is this generation or next? They've been teasing an Ape Escape? They opened up the Twitter account and like they've been just making weird tweets from it since then. Oh, no, man. Yeah, I don't know. Let them do what they're doing.

Also has Battle Royale too. God, why is Games Radar so slow on mobile? Calling you out GamesRadar. Yeah, Games Radar. Get it together. Then the next question to think about, guys. What console will outsell the other in 2020? Yeah, that's actually part of my actual predictions.

But what about 2024? So, like, okay. So I'm not going to bust out one of the ones I wrote, I wrote down. Let me see where it is. Like, will it change? So part of I had this written down as multiple prediction but the first part was that

at PlayStation 5 will outsell Xbox in the beginning of the generation however by the end Xbox will have caught up in terms of console sales Caught up in what regard like surpassed or just be there it's competitive competitive Okay yeah

I could see that like Sony has one more generations than they've lost like they're only real missteps within the handheld arena I could see unless the market changes dramatic So, Sony is going to come out consistently on top, but I think it will be more competitive than people think, especially because we don't know what the definition of success is for the next generation.

I don't think it's going to be most units sold. Exactly. I think it's going to be like who's... Active users? Yeah, monthly active users are going to be the big thing. I think that... Somebody said that recently, right, in an interview? I think a place...

I think it was still... Probably Phil Thorough. Because he was like saying, like, Amazon and Google are a big company. He meant one cloud streaming, but I think it's... The larger context is there are, yeah. There are more things at play here than Jess. who has the most boxes in the most houses. I think it's easy to say PlayStation 5 will outsell the series of Xbox.

I think that that doesn't necessarily mean that Xbox loses next generation. Yeah. I agree. When it comes down to what third party is making the most money on, it will be extremely competitive. I do think that PlayStation 5 wins. I think it, again, I think, yeah, this whole what is winning is going to continue to be a conversation.

But I do think, yeah, it's going to outsell Xbox. again. I don't think Xbox cares necessarily because again what we're talking about it is about getting you to Game Pass. It is about getting you to that. I do think they make up a lot of ground in that regard. I do think their monthly active subscriber users, whatever they're going to fucking throw around is going to be super impressive. And I do

think that that leads to a really interesting question of what next next gen looks like, right? Like what is the plan in seven years? You know what I mean? When we're at 2028, what are we talking about? Seven years ago we were talking about our consoles doomed or like is anyone really going to want to do

gaming or the video games anymore when there's Netflix. Now Netflix is like, do we really want to do stuff anymore when there's Fortnite? Yeah. So it's an open question of what next seven years will look like and what's going to be happening after that. The final question I had was, will there be a next gen? After

this. I'm going to say yeah. Yeah. Yes. It'll look non-traditional. Let me rephrase that. Will there be a PlayStation 6? Most definitely. I'm more concerned will there be an Xbox Series X2 or whatever you want to call. Yeah. Will there be an Xbox 20-2070? I think there would definitely be a thing with a GPU and a processor underneath a TV.

Whether that's the only way you can access those games is a totally different question. I'm just saying there will not be a PlayStation 6. It will not be called PlayStation 6. What do you think it's going to be called? I think at that point it would just be... We're just getting away from numbers. Are we going to just calling a PlayStation? Yep.

And I think at that point it is it's PlayStation given into the service stuff. So yeah, I was going to say... Learning from whatever, not just the mistakes, learning from Xbox the next gen. And applying... I don't even think it's mistakes, right? Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just learning from that.

I'm still at the place that I don't know how that can happen unless we transition to a place where we're doing console streaming. And then, and we are stuck with the same box forever. But at a certain point, if this battle continues of technology and being able to make a box more powerful and then cutting off boxes at a certain point, then like, I don't think you can just call something a PlayStation. Because 10 years later, are you still going to call it a PlayStation? If it can't play the PlayStation's game or if the old PlayStation's games, or if the old PlayStation can't play the new PlayStation's games. Does that make sense? Because like with phones, right, we still have names attached to it.

Because we have to know, like, at what point do things get cut off? Yeah. PlayStation, parenthesis, 2021, or whatever they call it. I think that's just the same thing, though. Yeah, but... Is that not what we're doing right now? But I'm just saying this, it's not going to be six. And, like, PlayStation's obviously up to this point, had a very rigid structure of a game.

I mean, that's kind of where Microsoft is going that are transitioning that weird way of like, yeah, it's just called the Xbox. We have a series, whatever. Like, they were just model names. That's kind of what Apple did of. I remember I thought it was so insane when they said, okay, last year's was the iPad. This is the iPad 2013.

Like, what are you doing? It just had a number. It should be like, people are going to be so confused. And like, no one was confused. They just bought the new thing. Yeah. All right, now let's get into some. First, I want to tell you about our sponsors.

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We got Nick Scarpego. I almost said the words. We'll keep this here. Hey, what's going on? What's your predictions for the next generation? Oh, my God. I think that PS5 is going to dominate mostly because I cannot remember the name of what the Xbox is.

Series X. I think the Series X is going to be, I think it's got a lot of catching up to do after this console life cycle. I think Stadia, never going to be a thing. Just straight up never going to be a thing. And I'm pending 100% of my money on Amazon Game Studios. I think Amazon is going to take it out.

They're going to take it out for a drive and never bring it back. Yeah? Yeah. I'm also loathinging my arms with the Juergens. I have no idea. That's as much information as I know about video games. Because you started saying it sounded good about Amazon, but it sounded like you'd take it out back. I don't know.

What's y'all's predictions? Tim, what do you got? PS5? I mean, yeah, it's going to be weird. I think PS5 wins. technically, quote unquote, but I think that Xbox, they're playing different games now. How long is it? How long is the next console lifestyle

going to be? That's my question. Well, the thing is, I think that Xbox is going to last forever. I think it's just keep going. This one was supposed to be short, and this one lasted seven years. Seven's kind of the average, though, isn't it? Yeah. Wasn't PS2 like seven years? PS2 was 2001 to 2006?

So it was even shorter. Oh, it was shorter. Yeah, aren't 2000, 2006. But yeah, it's... This isn't usually like six, seven years, I feel like. I know when this one first launched, people were like, okay, this is going to be shorter because these consoles are not as powerful or whatever.

And then the pro in Xbox Xbox 1X came out and made them last a bit longer. Yeah. So it makes sense. Because like the 360 generation lasted way too fucking long. And everyone hated that. Was that the one? It was like seven years? That one was 2005 to

2013. Oh, it's too long. It's too long. Thank you. Thank you. They voted. I'm taking over your place now. I almost said the word's Bloodborn too. Yeah. It's for like launch. But I just don't think it's a launch game. I don't think if Do you think we're getting Demon Souls? I think that's the Blue Point remake.

So I think you let them breathe. It's the same way as I... Yeah, if we get different souls, are we back on the show? Yeah, right on the show. Or did we ever leave the show? I also think at this PlayStation reveal event for PlayStation 5, you don't get...

I don't think you even get a whisper of God of War II. Outside of perhaps maybe our friends that Sony of Santa Monica are still working on this. And I also don't think you get anything, Spider-Man. Really? I just, why play those... I think it's five. The headline is the PlayStation 5.

I think it is very much what is imminent right now. You know what I mean? Yeah, see, I don't know. I feel, and I get that this is, you know, history has never proven what I'm saying correct here. It's like, we get all hyped up, they're going to have all this stuff. That's just not how things work.

Yeah, I think things are changing. And I think that you need to kind of sell an idea to sell the console. Whereas before, it was kind of like, oh, yeah, at E3, games are going to be announced, we're going to play them in the fall. And there's like a rhythm to things. that rhythm's out the window. I think now it's, hey, here's why you need to buy a PlayStation 5,

all the reasons that are coming up. It's like, even though we already know that these games are going to exist, them telling us it, I think really makes people go, I need a pre-order this. I might as well have it now to play all these other games coming out this year because I'm going to play. It's like we talk about with Final Fantasy 15 and Kingdom Hearts 3, that original reveal, it sold a vision for the future.

We know that this is not just going to be a PS3 thing again. We're going to tell you what the next couple of years. are going to look like, so you can get excited right now. I'm convinced that if it's going to be $500 that they're going to try and sell us as hard as possible. And so I can easily see them saying the words, God of War, and Spider-Man, if they hit that price, if they somehow take it down to 400

and want to keep their cards to their chest, then I can see that also. Now it's time to get into some fun predictions. Greg? Yeah, but set us off. Halo Infinite's Metacritic is 90 or above on December 31st. Okay, okay Yeah

I hope so man They're definitely trying with this one Like they have said I mean like not like they weren't trying before But fuck shit out Halo 5 Who cares They themselves have They've been like yeah

We know those last ones are fucked up We're really like revolutionized Halo this time What that means? Who knows? But I I bet Have they said that though Or are we just all hoping

That they said that? They've apologized a lot And it's hard to tell Which 343 apology is like The apology is one thing, and I know that, but it's like, have they said this is going to revolutionize Halo? Or are we all just looking at it? I want to say Phil Spencer has used those words. Yeah.

I really hope, man. Imrod. I think we will see a Switch to, or Switch Pro, within the next two years. Just completely speculation. But, like, I think as the technology improves for engines to get more refined, there's only so much more overhead they have to work with in the Switch. and Nintendo themselves knows that and they're trying to work on a thing or that will at least give third parties

a bit more room to work with when porting down PS5 and Xbox Series X games. When you say Switch Pro, do you mean Switch, like a Switch 2 or like a mid-generation upgrade? I mean it's going to be based on the architecture from the Switch, it'll still be, because it's not like mobile technology has improved that much, but it's improved

enough that new Nvidia chips have been made and new revisions of the existing Switch chips that exist, that they can make that faster with less heat and make it work in a handheld space, one handheld shelf, without having to compromise too much about the aesthetic quality of that system. So I buy that,

and I think a lot of that will be due to third-party ports and wanting them to run better and stuff. What do you think that means for first-party titles? Looking back at the 3DS, they had the new 3DS, that there was a couple titles that were only playable there, but really there weren't many of those, and they weren't ever Mario. right? Do you think with the Switch Pro it would be?

I think Breath of the Wild too is being made for that. Like I think there are definitely games that are coming that Nintendo themselves needs more power to work with. So like, theoretically they made a new Mario cart. Like it would be so cool that they have this much more power to play with and I think they themselves like, know, what if we put in more players? What if we... Online infrastructure and net code are also dependent on processors.

So if they get better access to those and better aspects of those, they can make better versions. of those kind of things. I think for Nintendo, a lot of times we think they don't really use all the overhead they do have, but more power

is going to be better off the dam as well, and things like Unreal Engine 4, for example. It took until about last year for that to really start working on Switch when Fortnite started becoming a big thing on it. If you can start using those engines with their own capabilities

and own talent, our own talents, on the Switch, much more easily, then you wouldn't have to rely so much at your own engines that break apart and have those other problems.

That works well for them too. Bless. Microsoft buys don't not entertainment. Life Strange 3 is an Xbox exclusive. It's my first prediction. I have this one because I think I have a few points. I wrote down a whole

freaking essay here, but I'm going to try and go through it quickly. But I think if you look at the history of episodic games, right, I feel like those games don't necessarily turn out well from a sales perspective. Yeah. Right? You see Telltale games shut down.

You see IEO interactive. They get let go from WB games because Hitman didn't work well as an episodic game. And they ended up making Hitman too. And they put that all together as one release and release it that way. They've said they might go back to Episodic next one. And I kind of hope they do because I think Episodic actually worked better for that game gameplay-wise. But like, Don't Nod is a good example. Life is Strange 2 was an amazing game and nobody paid attention to it.

And nobody paid attention to it. If you look at the history of Don't Now, and Microsoft, right? Like, Life Strange 2 is on Xbox GamePass. They came out episode by episode on Xbox Game Pass. And then also tell me why their game that's coming up. This year is Xbox exclusive. And so they have precedent of working with Xbox. And then Xbox GamePass, I think, would be a perfect, like, it would benefit so well from having episodic games on there from Donut Entertainment. And so I think it's a perfect storm, right? Don't Not is an independent studio. I'm sure they would like the security. And Xbox is obviously like looking to buy up

studios. And so I can see it being announced at E3. And then I don't know if they would have the Live Strange 3 trailer there. But I can see them announcing it at E3 of like, oh, yeah, you've seen us, acquire studios. We've acquired. Ninja Theory. We've acquired this. We've required that.

Also, we were adding one more studio to the Xbox Game Studios family and then they bust out. Don't nod. That's good. Yeah. Actually, that's a really good prediction. I honestly expect to have to happen now. Yeah. Close, but no cigar.

Blessing. What will happen is that Don't Nod loves their independent lifestyle now. They like being out there making their games. They're still partnering up. Square is still paying the bills. They're still doing Life of Strangers rather doing their stuff. They're doing the new one we're talking about, right? Microsoft picks up Deck 9.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. They did the prequel, The Life is Strange before the Storm. Yeah, they haven't announced a new project since then, have they? Exactly, right? We know Clements got hired is working over there on something.

I legitimately don't know. I wouldn't make a prediction if I knew anything. And Clements and I just bullshit when we talk about. It's not anything about games. And I think the fact, too, and this is very, like, maybe it all blows my face. I think that on top of what I'm talking about, of Dec 9 being more open to this because they're a younger studio that, you know, I think they need funding more than a life-istrange developer don't nod needs. I think the fact that Don't Nod being in France works against them to some extent, right? Whereas these guys are in Colorado, which is closer to Seattle, which is another thing of, like, keeping that Xbox studio.

on the coast tight. You have everybody there to help these young bucks, right, is they're trying to learn what they're doing and get over there and whatever they're working on? I could say it. So Capcom and Marvel. Totally fucked up, Marvel versus Capcom Infinite. But that's not going to be the end, obviously.

But I do think that it will not be Marvel versus Capcom. I think it'll just be a Marvel fighting game. Made by Capcom. Yeah. That way Marvel, like, there has something that complains about Infinite, it where like Marvel had such a heavy hand in it that they couldn't show in the trailers Marvel characters being beaten up by streetfire characters because Marvel didn't want to show that.

So like they're not going to object to Marvel characters beating up Marvel characters because that's the entire game. Yeah. So I can definitely see that happening. And I think that going into this new next phase or next couple phases of MCU introducing the X-Men, introducing Fantastic Four, there's a lot more synergy in Marvel than there has been in a decade at this point because that game not featuring any mutants. weird as hell, right?

They'll obviously return for this. But yeah, full on Marvel versus Capcom style fighting game, but it'll just be Marvel made by Capcom. What is Marvel versus something else? I don't think it would be. Marvel versus Hanna-Barbara? You don't think so? I think it'll be a strictly Marvel versus game

where it's like they have enough characters that they're trying to use. The movies have made even the obscure characters, not obscure. Greg. I think of which one I want to pull out. We've all been so hung up. up on Stadia.

But the real streaming race in five years is XCloud, Amazon, and I think PlayStation's in the rear doing whatever they're trying to pull together

what was Guy Kai is PlayStation now, trying to get that built in people's minds as a streaming service. I think Stadia is still there, but I think it's so distant that,

I think at that point, did I say five years? This is five years from now. This is 2025, right? It's XCloud, it's Amazon, and I think they're

neck and neck going at it really hard, right? And I think PlayStation's behind them. And I think Stadie is further behind them. But they still exist. Still exist. And that's the thing is that I think Stadius pulled it together in terms of like,

hey, this is a thing. I don't think that YouTube integration they were showing of clicking on the thing and what your favorite stream, that never came to be, I don't think. I think at some point in these five years they've had to cut back on programs and things to get where they need to be.

But games are releasing digitally on that, obviously digitally. But you know what I mean? Like day and date, I guess is a better way to put it. Physical stadia games. It's a pretty funny thing. That's the future.

They're starting stadia stops where you can come by your physical stadia games. Yeah, the Amazon part's interesting to me. What does that look like? They had so many, they had so much promise for a while because they got a bunch of,

they got Clint Hawking. They got, what was her name? Kim Swift from Portal. Like, they had a bunch of big names to make games for them and then they never did anything.

Yeah, this isn't them making games. This is them doing the digital stuff. Yeah, but like, they had to supply stuff for a while. They were very much into video games. for a while and now seem to slowly be backing off from it or not slowly, absurdly fast, backing up for it.

I think to append to what Greg, Greg just said, there, I think Valve is going to be next in the actual streaming space. But they're going to do it in a way that like, we don't have another streaming store, we just have Steam still. You buy a game, it's on your PC, it's on streaming it as well. All the games you already own are also going to be streamable. Wow, power move. I think the more powerful, the more popular. in the sky version of that is I think that only comes about when Google goes up on

Stadia and sells their Stadia backbone two valve. Oh, shoot. But I think VAL does it either way, but I think that's the way I most suspect it will happen. Yeah, I was trying to think I was like, how do they make that work? But that would be a great way to make it work. I was thinking that like steam

and in video somehow shake hands, do like a gang handshake or like a Narotone. You see like Blitzer was like no to their video streaming? One of the two. Yeah. Blizzard said no to Nvidia streaming. Like they've turned that functionality off. Yeah, yeah. So like...

Yeah. They said yes for the beta. For the beta. Right. And then there was a misunderstanding, quote unquote. But like with Valve, I like, like everything on our store is just, it's a thing you opt into when they put a game on Steam, they have to allow streaming as well. But then is that a service you pay for in addition to?

I would guess. I feel like you have to pay something for that. They've done pretty much everything else free. So plus it's a value add for them if they start getting to a more of a war with Epic Game Store. Like, yeah, we take more of a more. of a cut, but look where this cuts going. Bless.

So I had this argument on Games Daily with Tim, and mainly Barrett, actually. Barrett was the main person pushing it back against it, but I've thought about it over the last few days, and now I'm pretty confident in it. Granted Taddle 5 will be re-released in some new edition for the PS5 and Xbox Series X, whether that's a graphical overhaul or get hype, in addition with new single-player content akin to personify royal. I can believe that. Yeah.

It is at this point the most profitable piece of media of all time. Yes. And I think there is it for the new consoles, they can repackage it in a certain way where they could sell just a bunch of copies, especially if they did do single-player DLC, which I know sounds like a joke, but for them, for a rock star, right,

they've been making new content for that game for the last seven years. And, you know, in online, right, there are new cutscenes, new characters, new voice-acted lines, new missions, new assets, new vehicles, right? They have all the things that they would put

into a new single player campaign. And so I think for them, if they wanted to put together like an eight-hour thing where it's GTA-5, I don't know, man, like Michael's last heist or something like that, right?

Package like that, yeah, and sell it for the PS5 and Xbox Series X. I think they could sell just a ridiculous amount of copies and make a ridiculous amount of money for something that they wouldn't actually put that much money into.

I am not completely convinced that what you're describing is not JTA6. that it's GTA online ported forward with some single player content with a new story. That would be upsetting. It would be very upsetting. But like if you're going to follow the money,

then like that's what you want to do is you want to make just put the money maker on the new systems and then throw in some new content here. Like, because Hauser's gone now. Who's writing? Does anyone still have the drive to make a full single player game there anymore? We don't know. You could hire somebody.

They could, but like, do they run the studio? Like, they have to have people there, right? That was the old thing. It was like, you know, I remember Christian Cantamasa came through either for our stuff. Yeah, it was for our stuff. Way back in the day. He had written Red Dead Red Dead Redemption, right? Like, it's not just, I mean, don't get around.

I'm sure people there want to do it, but Hauser was the one going like, no, this has to be a 30-hour epic that we're writing from scratch. Okay, okay, okay. Is the next GTA going to be a 30-hour epic, or is it going to be a single-payer content that also exists alongside GTA online? See, my thing is, and I guess this works for and against, right? They made Red Dead Redemption, too, which is like an epic, which does have so much focus on the single player in that world and those characters, right? But Dan Houser, since then, has left. What's funny about him back then?

Kevin over there. Those were dropping ass. Did he pass guys back there? Because that's what I thought I heard. No, I was going to, every time you'd say Red Dead Returners. Oh, okay. I was like, Kevin has never one to open. would be fart in the middle of his show.

I heard the same thing and I was like, Stinkers is what I was saying. I mean, I don't disagree. I didn't love GERR. 30 million units that are selling stinkers, I guess. Yeah. I don't love those games, but they do

extremely well. Yeah, like I love GTA. Red Dead Red Dead Redemption, too, I didn't love. But I don't think they're totally, like, I don't think they would go forward with the idea that we're putting online first so much so that we are going to let it work to the detriment of the single player.

I agree. I could see why they would make that conclusion and be like, oh, actually, you know what? Screw single player. GTA 6 is online only. I could see, like, in terms of the numbers and the money coming in, why they could go that direction. But I don't think as a studio, they would do that. Because I think that would then sour GTA for a lot of people. maybe not enough that it would

matter but I feel like enough people would not like that that they would be like oh actually no let's put in some work for a single player they got it because that is so definitively GTA right right tell me it's not dead it's not right I don't think it's dead like GTA 6 it's going to be proper

it's going to have a massive epic same player consider the fact that like we went from them making three expansions of GTA 4 to making zero for GTA 5 three games a generation to DLC packs to just GTA 5, to missing a... Like this whole generation for a GTA is the only game.

It's just been online for the... For GTA, right? And yeah, Red Dead Red Dead Red Dead Red Dead Reemption 2 has been the only game. And they have pinned it in online mode that is almost exactly that GTA online to that. But I think... I think the thing about single player for GTA, though, is that I think single player gets the game into people's hands. Like, at least the...

I don't know if I can say that anymore, though, now I think about it because... I think they'll be... I think they'll be single player, but is it... The question is, is it the same level that people... expect from it. That's where I think it gets iffy. I mean, I think the idea of Dan House are leaving can be kind of exciting for single player GTA because I think that can then freshen it up because rock star games over the last however many years has been kind of same z in terms of honestly, I think they looked at America as like how do we write satire about this anymore.

Yeah, that's the thing, right? A lot of their games are about the pursuit of happiness and like toxic masculinity and like a lot of the same themes over and over again to the point where now, yeah, if you wanted to make a GTA 6 and make it like the other ones, is like how do you do that when... 90s baby time travel. I mean, you could time travel and do... I mean, I guess the other GTA games were in the 90s and 70s and 80s and stuff, but you could...

Dude, what if you had a GTA in the future? Grandtap 277? No. Yeah, there we go. So here's about that. I'm going to jump off your prediction, bless. Also based on the things we've been talking about, is I think that we will not see remasters.

in the next generation in the way that we did this generation. If you own the games on the, like PlayStation is going to be pushing hard. Go Tsushima, Lasmas Part 2, all of that. But it will just be a, there's a patch.

If you have that game, you can play it on this and it's the best place to play it. You can download the, whatever the, the, right tracing or the, whatever the fuck it is for each game, whether it's the 60 frames per second

or 120 frames per second. Or, hey, we'll at least make sure we hit 30 frames per second, whatever it is, right? it'll be the best place to play and I think that it's going to be free. That is my assumption of why so many recent games have

not why they were delayed but in addition to the delays they're also doing this work of like going okay well actually we can now the last was delayed we have time yeah and so yeah cyberpunk Avengers I think there is just going to be that watch dogs yeah it's going to be very seamless going into the next and I think that to go to your

GTA example that's not to say they won't sell GTA5 in a PS5 box But I do think that you won't need to buy that if you have the PS4 version. They sell Fallout 3 in an Xbox 1 box. Yeah, they have for Xbox 1 in Xbox 360 games. Now you can buy them physically. And they'll have both the logos on there.

Yeah, which is funny. What do you talk about can't wait to see what the next Xbox box looks like. It's going to be real telling. But yeah, I just think that the remasters are going to be part of the cell and part of the thing that's going to make people just want to buy the PS5 or the fancier Xbox. But you're not going to need to re-buy GTA5. bring this back to the conversation we're having earlier about launch titles and like competing

PlayStation 5 competing against Halo Infinite and Xbox 1X. I think what you're saying could benefit PlayStation in a lot of ways if they don't have a horizon at launch, right? I think them marking the PS5 with uh, um, Ghost of Sushima, Las Vest 2. Like, I feel like them having those in the commercials could also be a big selling point for getting a PS5 at launch despite those also being PS4 games. Yeah. See, I think it's you need both though. Here's the marquee and here's all the other reasons. Greg. Tim Schaefer leaves Double Thon Productions

this generation. Whoa. Yeah. I can see it. Now, retiring is the problem. No. It's working for stadia.

I mean, I think he'll want to get back. And it's a weird one. I think I do think that Xbox is doing everything right so far, it seems. In terms of how they run

their first part here or whatever. Yeah. But I just think that Tim's going to ship Psychonauts 2. Maybe do something else there, maybe stay on a little bit longer. And I,

obviously, full disclosure, we know Tim, but he is, I've not had this conversation with him. just fucking spitballing. And I think that at some point, whether it's Phil Spencer or something, leadership

change in there or whatever, maybe they do want them to work on something, maybe Psychonauts doesn't deliver in the way, I don't know what anybody's expectations are for Psychonauts, too. Probably not super high. That's the thing, right? It's like, I feel like there's a conversation somewhere in there that is what Tim and Double Fine have been able to do since 2000, right, for basically 20 years, make march their own beat, do their own thing, rely on their audience. I think somewhere in their Xbox wants them to do something else too

and maybe it's not even that bad maybe it is that just I mean obviously Tim started the company so I'm getting bought by Microsoft I'm sure he got quite a good pay out of that right not to mention he's Tim fucking Schaefer I think he's just like you know what I'm gonna fuck off and maybe take time off but then come back and do a very small thing do mobile games do very small indie games keep going that way yeah I can definitely see that he honestly that it always kind of was weird to me that he let double find be bought by Microsoft

because they are almost the exact opposite of what Microsoft has always stood for of, it always seemed to me, Tim Schaefer, he would like to make money from his games. Yeah. But the more important thing for him is that he keeps his friends employed. Yeah.

And that's what you have to wonder this, I mean, you say it's crazy that they got bought, you have to wonder if that was part of it, right? And just the idea of like, you know, I think when we talk about, you know, when the Kickstarter happened, right? Like that, they needed that to happen. Like, Double Fine as a studio, right?

And so, like, I imagine that, I'm not saying they're broke by any stress the mentionation. They publish a bunch of games to do a bunch of great stuff. But, like, there has to be that looking at the bank account and the spreadsheets and what's going on all the time, running your office from San Francisco, which is so expensive. You have a nice office too. Exactly. Making games in a great part of town. Making games that are art projects, right, that people are, that aren't going to speak to the mass audience that are going to speak. Like, at some point that's got to get tiring of always being worried about, like, can't I pay everybody's bills?

like how long can we go? Like, if this, I mean, Psychonauts was supposed to be out last year, right? So, like... I doubt Radd paid the bills for a while. Exactly. And that's the thing, right? It's like, that would even be a thing, too. Even if Tim left and didn't want to make games anymore,

which I sincerely doubt, you know, I think he'll be making games so he's dead. But if it was, I think it would be more of them. I'm going to help you publish games, right? I'm going to make up some kind of independent publishing label that you can come to me with your independent game and we can get going that way. I would not be surprised if at some point in the next couple of years,

Microsoft knocks on their door and says, we need you guys start making money. Like whatever bangers you've got, victim gives a service. Do something long term. Because the idea of just throwing things against the wall, if they make money, the great, if they don't. Game Pass is what complicates all this,

because Tubble Fine itself seems very well-seated for Game Pass. It's a question of, like, how long is Microsoft going to let them be that? Just that. Exactly. And maybe we're wrong. Maybe we're misreading it. Maybe Microsoft knows what they're buying and is happy what they're doing, and is never going to have this conversation with them.

But I feel, and even saying the conversation makes it feel like, oh, they're ruining what they are when in reality, they're just like, well, let us help you. You know what I mean? Like, this idea is not going to sell more than 100,000 copies. Like, maybe we should do something different. Give me Broken Age, too. I never played the original.

I should do that. Dude, I really like Broken Age. Yeah. I backstarted it, but. You backstated, we never played it? I backstarted. I think we will get this generation a Residentable 4 remake. I can see it.

I hope so. I would not... I think it's probably... If it's not in development night now, it would probably be in development after they see R3 sales. But, like, I think they know that it's probably the hardest one to remake, because it's, one, the most modern one.

Yeah. Two, also, one of the best games of all time, period. So touching that in any way and changing it up is going to be incredibly difficult. I think they could do it. I think so, too. I think they probably want to get some of the old people, like,

talk to them and see, like, what do you think we should do? Like, if they're not talking to Kami and Kami about this kind of game, like, whether I'm not hiring them or not, but like, hey, what do you think a new Resident Evil 4 looks like than they need to be? But I do think that game will exist, and I think it's going to, they know it's going to have to blow people's minds graphically.

Because Resident Evil 4 still honestly really holds up graphically. And gameplay-wise. Yeah. Like, you look at that game, it's like, okay, lean on the animation, like, reloading that rifle, it's kind of not matched today. So I think they do it, but I think they're very, very careful about it. So I don't think we see it like next year.

I think we see it two to three years from now. And I think both Sony and Microsoft are going to be like, fuck yeah, that's our thing. We're going to try and do all the marketing rights for this thing. I like it. I want it. Bless. So this is the prediction that I kind of, I said half it earlier,

but I'm going to give the full thing now. Right. By the end of the generation, two things will happen. So PlayStation 5 will always. I'll sell Xbox in the beginning of the gen. However, at the end, Xbox will have caught up in terms of competing with active users. I've changed that from console sales now to active users because I think you guys make a good point. The more I think about it, the more I'm like, oh, yeah, Xbox isn't really trying to compete in that realm.

They're trying to get people in their ecosystem. So across Xbox on PC, Xbox on series, Xbox on 1X, Xbox on Switch or whatever the feature might be, right? I think the Xbox ecosystem will be able to compete with the PlayStation ecosystem in terms of active users. So that's number one. And then number two, second half, Ninja Theory will be widely regarded as Xbox's best first-party game studio. So like their naughty dog.

Yes, they're like their premier game studio. I mean, that's where they were bought in the first place, right? Like to be a prestige, like, narrative game studio for them. Yeah. And I think like when I talked about this in the post show for our Xbox iconic podcast was Ryan McCaffrey and Ray Narvarez. But like, Ninja Theory is so good at being different and innovative in ways that I feel like we don't necessarily think of, right?

And so we look at Hellblade and the ways in which they use that technology being like binary audio and like what I'm call it, FMV or whatever, right, in order to convey this idea of, you know, Sunua going through psychosis and hearing voices and seeing things that aren't there and doing all this stuff, right? I feel like that's, I feel like Hullaby is such an underrated game as far as like the cool things that it's doing. And then when you look at the trailer for Hull Blade 2, Sinua Saga, or you look at Project Mara and what they kind of talk about as far as using their technology

in order to do other things when it comes to mental health, right? I feel like there's a lot there that Ninja Theory is doing that is going to be insane to look at. Like by the time it's passed, and we look back and we're like, oh snap, like Ninja Theory is doing something different. And Bleeding Edge. Not to hate on Bleeding Edge, but I think Ninja Theory is going to be looked at as like that studio, the Xbox has. I never see that. Yeah. The next Mario Kart will be the highest selling Switch game when all of a sudden done.

Wow. Yeah. I think we're going to get another one. Like I've been saying a lot. I do think it's going to be more of a Nintendo Cart thing, but I still think it's going to be called Mario Kart for the brand recognition. And I think that with whatever the install base of the Switch ends up being, I think that it's going to be similar to how Breath the Wild was

when the Switch first came out of everyone that has one gets one. The adoption rate's going to be insane. Do you think the problem with that, though, is the people who go like, well I already have Mario Card 8. Why do I need a new one? Because I think that it's going to speak to a lot of people that already have Mario Card 8 and haven't bought anything else on the Switch

and are just like, oh, well, you know what? I want to give this thing another shot. I want to like try something different. Maybe the people that did just buy a couple games along the way, and I think that that's a good entry point to get back in. And like so many people that did play Mario Card 8 will just want more.

You know what I mean? And want a more modern experience having seen smash with the other. and all that stuff. And I think that I want some DLC. Yeah, I was going to see the challenge I think might be that, you know, Mark Car 8, Deluxe being out from the beginning of the Switch, gives it more time on it.

But then also it coming out at the beginning of the Switch allows it to not really have much competition. But I like the idea of Nintendo Kart because I feel like that would sell gangbusters, like having all the different franchises in there to like to Smash. I think they still do a light touch with it. Like they did with 8, like, okay, well, here's Link because Link is the next big thing for Nintendo. So maybe they're like, okay, here's him.

this. Here's, what's another crossover game? Because, like, Animal Crossing and Zelda make a whole lot of sense. Oh, no, he's already in Mario Kart. Game with a crossover appeal. Here's the thing, though, like, Smash. Smash is so unique in that it has the hype. It has the hype cycle.

It has all that stuff that, you know, for the last three versions of this game, it's like different versions of, hey, we're going to announce characters slowly over time or whatever. But we're now at this place where we know we're getting at least six more times that anytime a Nintendo Direct pops up, there is that question of, what's the fake out? Like are we going to see what we think is one trailer and it ends up being a smash character. Right. Nintendo must want that again.

And it's like you can do that with Mario Kart. You know, it's like you can imagine if Mario Kart was this thing where it's like third party characters can pop into this thing and like whatever the hell they want to do, just keep adding and adding and adding. That's so exciting to like hardcore gamers and to just randos that are just like,

I love Mario Kart and you're telling me that I can, whatever character I also love, I can play there too. Love it. Let's fucking go, baby. Greg Miller. This one breaks my heart. I want you to know, right? Oh, no.

You need molecule closes down? No, no, no. I think they're okay. But it's similar in a vein of like, you never know what's happening. There will be no PlayStation VR2. Oh my God. This is going from Greg.

I swear to God, two weeks ago, you were saying different. I like this, Greg Miller. Coming in. As we forecast and think and make your saucy predictions, right? It's just that thing of I could see it happening. I could see it not happening, I should say. Definitely I hope it happens.

Haven't they already said that they're working on it? They said that PlayStation VR works on PlayStation 5. I want to say they said they were going to be like, yeah, maybe it's just rumors. I think those rumors or reports that came out this week of like them saying that PSVR is being worked on. Like PSVR2 is being worked on. For the record. For like after the PS5 long. 1,000% is being worked on right now.

That I don't argue at all. That's not what I'm arguing. And I think that and I do, I know that we've talked about it before. And what I always applaud PlayStation with PlayStation VRV1, right, was this conversation with, shoe at GDC, what, 2015, 2016, with us at Patreon that was, this is Gen 1. This is not us launching the PlayStation 4. This is us launching the PlayStation. And we are in this for the long haul and da-da-da-da. And I think that was true then. I think it's been true most, if not all of the way. I think it's, they're honest. That's what this was the start of.

I think they're working on a PlayStation VR2 unit right now thinking that is what they're working on. But I wouldn't be surprised if, because we're not, we're talking about the soonest it releasing 2021. Because again, my whole prediction's been get PlayStation VR, or I'm sorry, PlayStation PlayStation 5 out, get everybody's, you got to worry about them paying out of their pocket that $500 right there. You can't put out at the same time. So you have to give it breathing space.

And I think as we start, as we continue to see, this industry continue to evolve and change and get crazier and crazier. At some point, you're looking at that going like, well, it seems like the real race now isn't VR like we thought it was when we entered into this. It is streaming. So why are we now trying to split the audience and get them to go by that when we want just to buy this. Their PlayStation VR stuff works.

The games we have in works right now will continue to work. But unless Half-Life Alex comes out and sets VR on another plane of existence, right? What is the return on investment on this? Especially when you're right now PlayStation 4, the console is everywhere, right? That is setting all these records.

And what is the, they know it better than we do, right? What are the actual numbers at right now of the adoption rate of PlayStation VR? I think what hurts them with patient VR is at the beginning, they were the lowest, our lowest price entry into the VR market. For consumers to be able to get into VR all unit was the PS4

and that headset for like $200, it was not expensive. Now they're not. The Oculus Quest is a better thing to buy. Oculus Quest is a better VR unit in every way. Yeah. Period. So if they can't be, that is a problem for them. Exactly.

That said, it also did extraordinarily well for them. Yep. So if it is a differentiator for them between that Xbox. Now, when you say extraordinarily well, do you mean for what they predicted or do you mean in the grand scheme of things? In the grand scheme of things. Before a VR headset, that thing is sold extremely well. Sure.

But between them and Series X, series X is never going to do their own headset. Microsoft has said that's not our thing. We may take like Rift like things into the... Phil Spencer, right? His direct quote, it was I think Gamer Tag Radio, right, was the thing of like,

hey man, we hope we have to do that one day. We hope VR is so popular one day. We have to make our own headset and worry about it. But we don't see that right now as the future and that's not what we're worrying about. So right now it's a big differentiator. If you do want a VR headset, attach to your console,

this is what's there. So it'll have the power of the PS5 plus your headset. That's what's holding the Quest back. Because you can make that argument. If you want to differentiate it between the Quest and the BSVR, you can say, like, well, these are games, but you're never able to improve this thing. Developers aren't going to put all their best efforts

on the external GPU because there is none. That said, that said, again, Facebook is extremely aggressive about the Quest to the point where I think you might be right, Sony could just go, let's cut our losses, let's just, let's put things, still put VR games out, but they only work with the old one. Yeah.

Well, and I mean, even, again, to your point, which is so eloquently put, Imran, is the fact that when PlayStation launched it was the cheapest, right? It was easy. As we always said over and over again, and as Lauren Lanning again, predicted that at the same GDC, right? When I think Colin asked him, who's going to win in the VR Wars? He's like, PlayStation VR. We're all like, what? And he's like, it's going to be cheap. It's going to be easy. Why wouldn't you want that? It's the idea that it was always good enough. And to your point that you've already made right here, Quest is better than good enough. And even if you were to put out the higher-end headset for PlayStation, I think, for a software. many people, it would be good enough. Oh yeah, but I hate having the tether and I hate having the watch.

Like, it's night and day. We've always talked about how the PlayStation VR headset, how good that feels. What the form factor is so comfortable, right? As soon as I had Quest and started using Quest, the first time I put PlayStation VR back on, it felt like I was putting a bucket on my head that was tied to the couch. And it's no different, but it's now that I've tasted this. It's like, oh my God, you know, this doesn't feel good anymore. And I think if it was, no, no, PlayStation VR2 is here.

It's still tethered, but you can do. immediately like, ugh, okay. It has to be Heather and otherwise it wouldn't work. You need a thing in there

like wireless is going to make people sick. So, yeah, I could see them just rolling with their current place in the headset for as long as they can.

And again, I don't think, this isn't that I'm saying PlayStation VR as a failure. I'm not saying I like it any less. I'm not saying I don't want a PlayStation VR too and any less.

I want all that, all that stands true. I hope it's there. I hope we continue to get stuff. I can't wait for fucking Iron Man. But I just think that taking a step back and looking at the timeline

in the fight they're about to fight, especially as early as they're about to fight it, I just don't know if that's going to be one of the real marching orders or if it's another, not in the success rate, but if it's another Vita in terms of like, that's a secondary front

for a very specific PlayStation audience that we don't necessarily have to worry about. Yeah. I think in a last-ditch effort to get the Star Wars license renewed, EA is going to put out a shitload of Star Wars games in the next couple of years. like a new Jedi Fallen Order

a new first person shooter Nice to the Old Republic Well yeah I can see them do in the new Knitle Republic with BioWare And I think they will get it renewed I think Disney just wants to see numbers And like Jedi Fallen Order did really good numbers And even after the last financial thing

Andrew Wilson was like Yeah now we see the value of prestige games They had some real fucking weird name for it But it's like single player narrative games They see the value of it now So I think we're probably going to see any following order Will we get a new episode one racer? I hope we get a new episode of one racer.

I hope we get... I'm sure we get new Switch games too. I think it'll finally break that damn down. Really? You think they'll do a new Switch game? I don't think they'll be like... It'll be a small game? Yeah, it'll probably be like... Those brawler-type games from Phantom Manus and stuff like that.

I think we'll get those... I think we'll get a new VR Star Wars game. Do you think it'll be Wado? I think they'll put the Wado game on Switch. I was teed up and I didn't get any love. I totally... I blocked that extra life out of my mind. But yeah, I think they will put out a bunch of New Star Wars game next couple years,

and then Disney will be like, all right, sure, you guys have been doing fine. Here's another 10 years for you. Plus. Blue Point develops Shadow of the Colosses, too. Jesus! Yeah, Oweedah's not there anymore. No way in hell. I love it.

I want it. There's no way. I don't even believe it. I didn't even make the remake soul well enough for them to be like, let's go do this again. It'd be a great feather in their cap, though. Sure? A real big feather. Think about it. Horizon Zero Dawn 2. Last of us, part 3.

God of War, Thor's Revenge. Shadow the Colossus 2. Oh, my God, I love it. Devolved by Blue Point. The Coloss I strike back. You're bold. That's all I got. And I appreciate you.

I have no backing. I have no... Like, the only backing I have for that is the fact that they developed the Shadow Colossus remakes, and so they have, like, the assets and all that stuff, right? It sucks that Ueda probably wouldn't be a part of it. if BluePoint's doing it. But, you know, Sony owns that IP, so what you're going to do?

I wonder what a way to do is. Do you think Sony's going to get away to back for a game? It is working at a, like, he has a studio. Yeah, he has his own studio. Do you think it's like, let's pay for you to make a game for us? I don't think that's not a sonny. I don't think so, but, man, I would love it. Because he seemingly did not have a good time working on the Last Guardian.

Yeah, that was 10 years. I imagine if you're working on any game for a decade or like, no, fuck this, I'm out. Yeah. So jumping off that a little bit. I have two predictions that are completely unrelated, but there is something that bridges the gap. Just a little bit. Look at that, everybody.

It's the bridge of the... Whoa. Yeah, that's dirty. I want to talk Disney, all right? Our boy John Drake over there, making money moves, making them big bad money moves. We will see a Disney game that is as good for a Disney property. And I mean that in terms of like the game will be as good.

And it'll sell well, good in all the ways, as Spider-Man. Oh, okay. Spider-Man. Who's making it? Frozen? I'm not saying frozen. It could be a Frozen game. Mickey.

It could be a Disney princess game. It could be Mickey. It could be anything. A Disney property, like a core Disney property game, and it will be as good as Spider-Man. I mean, like they announced it, I don't know it did announce, but there are rumors of an Aladdin sequel last week. You could make a really fucking good game out of Aladdin. Like that live action lens thing. It's called Prince of Persia.

I don't think this counts. Yeah, because Disney Cor. I'll save it for the next one. Thanks. So my other bit of that that is like, not related, but semi kind of is. Mm-hmm. In an opposite way, cool Disney's making games. The next Kingdom Hearts, the next core Kingdom Hearts game will be legitimately good.

And I already don't believe it. I already don't believe it. You lost me. You must that one wrong. We'll feature. It will be legitimately good because it will have a focus and that focus will not be Disney stuff. It will be... Hannah Barbarra.

It will be. Final Fantasy versus 13 based. Did you... Did you ever get to the end of the D.L.C? I just watched the YouTube. Yeah, okay, yeah. No more or less weirdly obsessed with that game. It's fucking happening, guys, and it's going to be dope.

And it's going to actually make some type of sense if you just played that game. All the Kingdom Hearts shit, all the other stuff, it's... No. No. This is just going to be like, yo, we're telling a cool. Cool story. It's going to be a little bit darker.

and I feel like they'll be able to nail the gameplay. It's not going to be developed over 2000 millennia. It'll be a proper game that has a proper development cycle and a much narrow scope of story. And I think that all that will work to its benefit that will make it a good game. I kind of worry, like, Square Nixel over-extending themselves a little bit on Final Fantasy stuff.

I think they're going to limit themselves this generation to just the main series and the remakes, 5-57 remake. I think I would be surprised if they do finish the remake series within this generation

but I think they're planning to but I those are such huge projects I think those are the only two things are gonna focus on King Mart's does sell

so well King Mart's games I just don't think it'll have more Final Fantasy focus and it'll probably do the opposite of like we'll probably turn the dial

a little bit towards Final Fantasy again because people complain so much but it's not gonna be back to the old days to be clear I don't think it's gearing it towards Final Fantasy

I think it's taking the ideas of what Final Fantasy versus 13 would have been. And it's Kingdom Hearts characters. It is all the OCs of Kingdom Hearts

with even new ones. Like original characters in Kingdom Hearts and like they're going to make their own thing. Oh yeah. Yeah. What do you think it's called?

Kingdom Hearts versus Final Fantasy? That sounds like a good. No. I thought you could say Versus 13. I was like that sounds like a King of Heart. Yeah. Greg this morning like mispoke and said

Kingdom Hearts 2 Point Hospital. And I was like, that sounds like a real game. Sounds like that. Yeah. Kingdom. Kingdom, well,

kingdom fantasy, Final Hearts, those all sound like real things. That could happen. Yeah, I don't think Final Fantasy

at all would be involved. No. It's missing the point. I'm just saying it's based on Final Fantasy versus 13 trailers that existed at one point. And I want it.

Everyone, I want it bad. Greg, Final prediction. Final prediction? You put this in my head, I don't want to piggyback off at this generation,

we get another Simpsons hit and run. Oh my God, baby. We're back. Liam Robertson on Twitter out there Dr. Cupcake, I think it is.

There's a lot of great journalism, a lot of deep dives talking developers and stuff. What? Because I like that. Like, Dr. Cupcake, does a lot of great journalism. He does. He's always getting

like really cool inside scoops. Sure, no, I believe you. Very obscure things are like things that like... Did you know gaming? Does he do that stuff or am I making that? He used to at least. He does some videos here and there. Yeah.

Gotcha. But he, like I saw him recently tweeting about like he has all this info on like what Simpson's hit and run to could have been. Yeah. And also I'm like, oh,

it's so interesting. And like, that game so well that I would have made sense. But man, that's a bold prediction that they'd bring it back now. You think that that's more likely

than a remaster? I didn't say that. That is the rock and the hard place of, is it a remake as a remaster is in a new game. You know what I mean? Yeah.

If they could do SpongeBob rehydrated, they for sure. And that's my thing, right, where I feel like there's definitely enough love for that, right, outside of even just cool,

where people know that game. Yeah. I would for sure be excited about it. Has he, has Liam talked about what he knows about Simpsonson? I don't want to see that.

I don't want to see him out on Twitter and see that. I know a lot about Simpsons Hint and Run too because it was one of the guys who made the Ghostbusters game worked on that. And when we were on the panel

at Ghostbusters Fan Fest, we talked a little bit about it. I mean, it's not that surprising. Hey, we're going to make foursons and run. So you think that regardless of whether it's remaster or not, your prediction is Simpsons

Hit and Run too. I'm saying there will be a Simpsons hit and run Oh, I would say two. There will be a Simpsons hit and run game in the next eight years. So there is on Did You Know Gaming, the YouTube channel, a month ago, they uploaded a video that's called The Simpsons Hit and Run Lost Sequel, plus fun facts, game history secrets. That's their, like, video series. That is probably Liam. Yes.

Amron. I think, so Dragon Ball Zieg Haggharat sold really well. It has outsold Zeno, I think it's outsold the, or told faster than Zenaverse 2 already, which was thus far of their best-selling Dragon Ball game. How? It's real. That's wild. Yeah. What about with fighters? Fighters sold really well, too.

It just didn't outsell ZenoVurt just for now. Cool. I think Bay Night Namco knows they fucked up last year with how bad jump force was. I think they're going to get that license back, but I think they're going to combine it with the good quality fighting games Ark SystemWorks makes. So they will make a jump force whatever, but a 2D fighter. So we're going to have that awesome looking 2D fighter from Art SystemWorks.

Who, as I've showed you on Twitter, they revamped their graphical technique. So now they're like doing a lot more animation tweening between the two. Guilty gear. It looks incredible. It looks fucking. It looks like that's not even next gen. Even drag ball fighters looks insane. So I can't imagine how if you put you Hake Show in their hands, right?

How good could they make Yuskei look at doing the spirit gun? Yuske was in Jump Force, right? He was, yeah. Okay. So like you take all the-in-UGI. Yeah, you take all those characters. Fucking Yugi, dude. You make it like, you make the face of that like Goku versus Naruto on the cover or something like that.

If you make that a good game, I bet it sells fucking gangbusters. Oh, this is a great idea. This is a fantastic idea. It needs a better name than that, though. It'll probably be that. I mean, they're not good at names. Yeah. Dragon Ball Fighters is called Dragon Ball Fighters.

What would you guys call if it's like, okay, cool. Dragon Ball Fighters, I feel like that, having the Z, like, that I feel is close. It should have been called Dragon Ball Fighter Z and just separate the Z from the fighter. Like, fighters was one word, and the Z was connected to the word fighter and kind of ruined it. Yeah. True, but it's close enough. that at least we get the Dragon Ball Zee in there.

I feel like that, like, cool, I get what this is. Whereas Zenoverse, whatever the fuck. It's like, it's way too complicated. Jump Force, I feel like doesn't have that kind of brand recognition of, hey, here's a bunch of animated together, at least on the level of like really, really, really, hidden. What would you call it? I mean, the best name was Jump Superstar for that 3DS game.

Yeah. Well, it's called Jump. Jump Stars Victory versus Plus or whatever. Are you talking about a different thing? That's the same game, I think. It was jumps superstars for the first one, jump old old best started for the second. Gotcha. Wait, you said that was D.S?

That was D.S. Okay, and I think the console one was All-Stars Victory versus. Okay. Yeah. Anime Superstars Battle Royale. There was a GameCube fighter, and it sucked ass. Called Dawn Dragon Ball One Piece Naruto,

which is actually really cool. But, yeah. I don't know what I would call it, honestly, because, like, Jonah Jump just doesn't have that kind of cachet in America. So you'd have to emphasize Dragon Ball somehow. Dragon Ball versus... The world. Anime Superstar.

Stars. Dragonball versus jump, actually. I, like, remember when Sonic All Stars Racing Transform was the name of that, even though Sonic was like three characters in the entire, like, 50 character roster. Yeah. I feel like you'd call it dragon, something. Something that, like... Dragon Wars. Something dumb

like that, right? Like, something that has, like, the Dragon Ball-eeness in it, but you don't have to say that it's Dragon Ball. You just call it Dragon Warrior, no, literally said Dragon Warrior, isn't there? It was the English name of Dragon Quest for for a long time. Yeah, that's what it was. So you can't all that, but something along the lines

of that. Hell yeah. Bless, your last one. All right, I'm between, I have three here, and I'm in between all of them. Okay, the last not going to happen. Just get the one of that one. I'm kind of curious, what's the one that's not going to happen? All right, the one that's not going to happen is pretty specific. But I do, okay, I'll say the one that's not going to happen. Nottie Dogs, next new IP, after

the last of us, will be a mission impossible style or inspired espionage, heist, adventure that keeps the spirit of the big budget high action set pieces of uncharted, but mixes that with an intricate, engaging narrative, third person action gameplay, and a new main character that will act as a new face of PlayStation. I'd like to see it. Fuck.

Dude, I would love to see just like the game version of Ghost Protocol, honestly. Yes. I feel like Nottie Dog would be the studio that could pull that off better than anybody else. And that's a great way to take Uncharted, but do it again in a fresh different way. And you think about every time you played Uncharted and the stealth missions you would do there, right? Yeah. It was, I had this idea.

while playing Lost Legacy, where I got to the part where you, I think you first meet, like, the big villain in the game, and I was just like, he's a Mission Impossible villain. Like, he has like the attitude, the swagger, the presence of a Mission Impossible villain. That I started thinking about it more and more, and I was like, all the Charter Mechanics are just Mission Impossible mechanics that could work

in a Mission Impossible game. And they have the ensemble cast there. They have, Nottie Dog has all the skills of the studio that can make a Mission Impossible game. And I'll love... I want this. Yeah, no, and I'll love for them to make their own, like, you know, original Mission Impossible-esque story, heist, whatever you want to call it.

What would you call it? Oh, man. Agent. Oh, my God. That would be like the ultimate mic drop. The same logo and everything. Because Agent was a place. Oh.

Rockstar. Yeah, that would be crazy. Exclusive, yeah. But it was a PlayStation exclusive made by Rockstar, yeah. So they probably couldn't get that. Rockstar probably has some. I mean, they banned the trademark. You could do what I was like you want right now.

Well, if you're a PlayStation? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Then just give it to Nottie Dog. Just reveal Agent. That'd be sick. Jack Trent. comes on, he's like, I fucking told you.

You don't want to listen, but here it is. Next up, Biosec Vita. Ken Levine, come on up here and tell us about that little device you love. That was the one that's not going to happen. Yeah, that was like my dream one. The one that I think has a chance of happening that I don't know. Like, I put the chances on it not happening, but I think it has a chance of happening. That makes sense.

A version of Dreams comes packed in with every PS5, which allows players to play any creation made in dreams. However, in order to create dreams, you have to buy the full experience. That would be a good idea, actually. Yeah. I was wondering how they monetize that. That's not bad. Yeah, I think that's the way to do is you allow people to experience it,

but then people go like, oh, snap, like I want to make stuff. I want to be a creator. Are you locking them out of like Art Stream 2 or is that up for grabs? That's up for grabs, yeah. So anything that's made playable in dreams you can play? So, okay. Wouldn't you feel the other way would make more sense? Like, it's free to create.

I, we've talked about this at length right, of how to do this, and I hope it's a packet and all these things. The problem with that is the knock against dreams for people. is I don't want to create anything. I don't want to create anything. And so, like, if you put the create tools, I think people won't even click on it. Whereas if it's just like free gaming,

you know what I mean, you're done with whatever you actually want to play, but you're not ready for bad. You're like, I'll jump in and see what it is. What is it? You know what I mean? Like what, and you get to jump, you start dream surfing through really cool shit.

Hopefully it goes the inspiration of like... Is that what it's called? Oh yeah. There's dream surfing, there's dream shaping. But I love the idea, or I'm not even love the idea, but I think there is the idea that with dreams are kind of buying two things,

right? you're buying a creation tool and also like you're buying the ability to play dreams and a lot of people don't want to do half of that a lot of people don't want to create and so I think that kind of cuts the value in half for a lot of people going in to where if you if you're able to just play dream straight up or buy like a version of dreams that you can play I feel like a lot more people would be into that or at least be into the idea of trying it out if it's just playing them right if you don't have to feel like you have to create I think that idea works well if you have like kind of help wanted ads on games like hey I have needed voice actor

for this. Or, hey, are you a 3D modeler? Are you someone that can help with dreams? And that people would be like, yeah, I really like to actually help with that. So you have to buy the version to go help them make that game. I can see it. Mine's not a fun one. Kind of funny is close.

In the same way that like this generation, micro-transactions and trying to figure out all that stuff out and like anyone that like fucked it up was just destroyed on the internet, I think that next gen, starting this year, cross-platform play is going to be expected from every major third party. And that if any major game were to launch without it, it's going to be just lambasted.

And like totally destroyed into a way that might ruin the games launch. Yeah, like an epic game store exclusive kind of deal where fans are just like, how dare you do this? Like what are the big, Doom, we don't know if Doom has it. I'm assuming it does not. Because like Doom has multiplayer. Dude has a clear, but it's not like a player game. I'm talking about from fall on. Okay, yeah, but I'm just thinking of like the big games aren't announced now.

Like is the precedent already like starting to like go that way? Who does not have it? It's like Doom doesn't have it. Adventure doesn't have it. Resident Evil 3 has that multiplayer mode that I imagine doesn't have it. Yeah. Capcom hasn't done any cross platform stuff yet. So yeah, nothing.

I'm talking Ubi. I'm talking call of duty. I imagine. Like the big multiplayer games. Yeah. And then starting 2021, I think it'll be all of them. Like every single game. It's weird too because like if you're a Sony and you're

paying money to Activision for Call of Duty, the marketing rights and all that stuff, do you subtly discourage them from doing cross-platform play? Like, hey, if you just lock this off, then people who only own PlayStation doesn't have to buy it. Or do you just go like, well, this is the way the world is now, so there's nothing we can do. Did Modern Warfare have the marketing rights?

Or did the PlayStation have the marketing rights for it? Because Modern Warfare did it, right? Yeah, they were the first. They were probably the biggest one. 100% worse. Aside from, like, Fortnite, if you want to count that. Oh, that's a great point. Yeah.

It doesn't get bigger than... Oh, right. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That other one. Right, right, right. And there you go, ladies and gentlemen. Our bets and predictions for the next generation of video games start soon.

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