Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - South Park The Fractured But Whole Review - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 141

Episode Date: October 23, 2017

Patreon supporter Devin Hanssen, Nick Scarpino, and Andy Cortez join us to review South Park! (Released first to Patreon Supporters on 10.20.17) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And round it out the table. We got Candy Andy Cortez. Hi. We got Nick the producer slash seducer Scarpino. At some point, I'm going to stuff this in Greg's drink. Here's the thing. If you're an audio listener, he's got a coaster. If you're a video listener, you see that he's got a coaster.

And if you're a human being, you know, Nick Scarbino is a cowardly bitch. And there's no chance in hell he stops. I like how you started laughing at yourself. As you got halfway through my last name. Scarpino. I ran around the table. For the first time on this show, we have Devin.

You might know Devin as the future husband of Shonda. Yes. Who. It's going to be on an episode of the Game of a Grady show eventually. Yeah. Man, the wheels locked up hard. The time's going to be all. If you watched live yesterday.

But on that episode of the Game of a Grady show, Devin proposed. But Devin was also on an episode of the Game of Reggie show a year ago. 150. 150. And if you've already seen her on Gog, we don't know how the fuck you did that. That's really weird. So anyway, thank you, Devin, for joining us again. He is a supporter on Patreon.

Just like so many. If you are, we appreciate that. What is your life? last name though. I didn't ask you that. Devin Hansen. Like Chris Hansen. Oh, yeah. Just spell different. It's all Norwegian. I've got the chat logs.

Two S's and an E and I think a number in there somewhere. Somewhere. I'm going to get thinking to Catch a Predator also. I was like was Jim Hanson the host? Who is Jimmy? Don't correct him. Just let him go. Let him go.

Bring him right back to the bug, right? Just keep running. So this show is a little bit interesting. As you all know, we start the show off with what games we've been playing recently. And all of us at the table, except for Devin, have been playing South Park, the Fractured Butthole. So we're going to get that out of the way.

We're going to do our review discussion of that game. And then we'll dismiss these two, fine young gentlemen. And then the show will just be me, Greg, and the beautiful Devin over there. Gotcha. Kick it off. Whoever wants to South Park, the Fractured Butthole. I really like this game. I'm really digging it.

How far are you right now? I don't know how many hours. Maybe like five hours in it or six hours into it? Okay. Okay, okay. My, what's the, your might? My might is like a 193.

Gotcha. I'm level five as far as how many times I level up. I'm liking it. The one thing I like about this game is, it's perfect for me, right? I don't have to pay too much attention to it. The combat really is not that hard, and you can just kind of really enjoy the world they've created. It's like watching an episode or two or a movie of South Park.

Sure. And you don't have, you just kind of go on that journey with them, right? Like, you think a little bit, and it's fun, and there's just enough strategy elements there that I have to kind of pay attention. But last night I found myself hammering, just hamering. just hammering a bag of goldfish while I was playing. And it was a perfect combo. Give me some right there.

Did you play the first one? I did not play The Stick of Truth, no. But I feel like I don't think you really, it doesn't matter. I mean, I think maybe for the first like 30 minutes of the game, you should have probably played The Sick of Truth. I don't think those elements come back, though, right? I don't know. Tim and I were talking about this today on Games Daily,

where somebody wrote in and was like, do I have to play? You don't have to. I just think it adds more context to it. I like the idea that it's the day after. Like we see the kids transition out of that game into the new game. They're not playing. That stuff does come into play at the end a bit, but I mean, you don't need to know that much. What I like about that, though, is that this game starts off with them very much in that setting.

Sure. And I think that that adds the context that you need to know. Because without that, I would be like, oh, man, you should definitely play the other one. But this one, you do get a little bit of that, the elements from it. Yeah. So I think it's enough. But, yeah, obviously, plays other one to get everything out of this. My whole thing with it is the fact that I dropped off being a South Park.

viewer a long time ago. And like every so, I can't remember the last time I watched South Park or went out of my way to watch it. I like the show. It's just, I'm not a TV person. Right. And so stick of truth when that dropped. That was really my re-indocrination into the world and introducing me to all those characters

so that when we jump back in here and they, it is the same characters, how their relationships are playing off each other and all these different things. I like the fact that for me, it is just a connected world there. Even granted, there's been all these seasons of South Park, which get referenced and all these different things. I like the fact that the connective tissue is still there So for me it is you know one to two kind of thing It makes sense to get them in line and play them that way

Not that I think you need to Had you watch any of the Coon episodes No I think I've seen clips here and there The Coon was I think it was like a trilogy Yeah so those are those are some of my favorite Top Park episodes and so all the references to all of the different heroes And then like mintberry crunch and fucking diabetes You know like all that shit is like

I love it. And it's hitting such a great spot for me because like you, I am a laps fan, but not that long. I haven't watched maybe the last two or three seasons or so. But God,

I've just been laughing so goddamn hard this whole time. And I know that you've... Did you beat it yet? No, I didn't beat it. I'm also about five, six hours into it. I'd say it may be like seven or eight hours-ish, but I know Greg beat it.

And I know that some of those jokes eventually do get stale, like while you're in combat and there's the little banter between. Right. If you're not changing of your team, they're saying the same thing. Right. I did run into a weird issue right night. I don't know if it's spoiler or whatever, but I was fighting Randy Marsh.

Yeah. That's not a spoiler. You expect to fight him, right? Yeah. And who's probably my favorite character of all time in South Park. And that bit, by the way. When you get him the second, like the first time when he puts you on that side quest, it's so good. So I fought him for a second time and there was no dialogue.

There was no banter in between moves. Oh, no. Yeah. It was very weird. because the first time it was nonstop. He's saying stuff, we're saying stuff. And last night it kind of bummed me out because I was looking forward to more of that.

But I did read on a few websites. I think it was maybe Kataku or Polygon who said yeah, the game's fun, but there are a lot of technical issues. Oh really? And I had never run into the technical issue until that thing, which is kind of a big glaring thing where I think the way that they try to make the combat more

entertaining is with the banter between the characters and finally experiencing a fight without that was really bad and kind of like, oh, this sucks. They say something every time you attack, right? For the most part, yeah. The other character is like if, like I lit Randy Marsh on fire and it's like the dots sort of damage.

So, after each move, when he's going to do a move, he says something and he'd be like, oh, shit, I'm still on fire. And it's just, and I was laughing so hard. I'm really digging it like Nick and was mentioning earlier that it is a game that doesn't require a whole lot of concentration combat-wise because I don't think it's like Well, it's turn-based too. You have time to think. Yeah, it just doesn't seem like that.

Not that strategic. The stakes aren't that high. So I just like, whatever. Towards the end I thought I was trying to trick, like, you know, we're playing it before anybody else has it or the embargo's up, I should say. So there's not guides or anything, and there's one trophy in there for playing as a black character on mastermind difficulty. And at the end,

this isn't a spoiler, I don't think. But like, throughout it, you know, you're filling out your character's stat sheet. And so you fill things in of like what your weakness is. and what your race is and that thing. So when I got to the point where you fill that in, you can come back at any time and redo it. So I was like, huh.

And so I went back, made the character black to put it on the difficulty. He did a few fights that way before I was like, and it wasn't much worse. I was using more items for the first time. Now granted, this was way late in the game because my idea was if I switched character, if I switched to a black character

and switch to the hardest difficulty there and beat the game there, can I pop that show? But doesn't that is the black-white character? I thought that was just a joke. So from what I understand, and I could be wrong, about this, but I don't think that it actually changes the difficulty. No, you're all getting confused.

We're all getting confused. So there's two different options. You can make the character black, set the game's difficulty to mastermind. Right. That's the thing, yeah. It's not that the character's changing the difficulty. The character class has nothing to do with the difficulty, no. Got it.

The trophy is be black and then have the game on Mastermind Difficulty. Because that was the joke. Yeah, well, it does change the difficulty of the quest, of the context of what people say to you and things like that. Interesting. I was told that what I thought that wasn't the case. Remember they put out that article last week saying that wasn't the case? People were super upset about that. Like in the game, there was a quote where he's like, if you wait on that screen for too long,

he goes, by the way, this doesn't change the difficulty of the game. Just in real life, it changes your difficulty. What that was? He goes, it doesn't change the difficulty of combat, just everything else. Yeah. And the original rumor was that it was going to give you less money, people would treat you differently, blah, blah, and then when they were pressed on it last week before launch, I think they told Polygon or Kataki. And it was like, oh, no, it's just a joke.

And then people got super offended of like, oh, well, that's just a dumb joke. Why not make it actually difficult? Why not actually make it feel walking on my own, my shoes kind of thing? Let us know the comments, because I've seen it both ways. I know what you're talking about, but I've seen people that have been playing the game saying that it does affect things. But it might not be actual difficulty things.

It just changes things. Sure. Like dialogue and interactions. Yeah. And that's the biggest thing is like that stuff's referenced regardless of who you are, right? Like I chose this time around I made my character look like Jen. So I said everything I answered. I was a female.

I was a cis female. And so like that's part of the joke, right? and the fact that like when you come out of, has everybody gotten here yet, where you come out of the school after making that choice or whatever and those guys roll up and they're like, what are this?

Look at this cis female coming in there. So like if you're, if you were playing it with none of that context, it would be look at this black, yeah, transgender person. Like they would act like they're playing into that when they planned it no matter what. Whereas even later on in the game,

this is not a spoiler, but like in the playground, there's the three bathrooms. There's male, female, cis. Yeah. And I think it's, it was cis for me. I assume it's maybe it is for everybody.

Well, that's what's cool about the game is there's so many different options and so many things that I think people are going to miss out on because the dialogue trees change based on all of these little choices that you make. And it's super awesome. Like even little things like Kataki wrote an article about this today, but you would tell me about it where there's if you, there's things you need to do. Like there's a passcode that you figure out. Oh, yeah, Carlin's house. Yeah. But it's like if you go about doing it the wrong way, like you'll see jokes that you would have never seen otherwise. Right.

Right. Yeah. That's super awesome. I mean, that is one of my critiques of the game, though, is that it does feel like. because the combat is a little limited, that they threw a bunch of other systems into it, to flush it out a little bit more, and to make their feel like there's more depth.

And I feel like I kind of just don't care about those. Like there's the DNA, there's the different, the way you level up. There's all those different ways of crafting those different things. And I'm just like, I don't know if I, because I don't feel like all that stuff, like adds to the combat. I don't feel it. So I just kind of like, oh, God, I got to go add, okay.

Yeah, the whole thing about it. I mean, my might. It's like, I don't know the difference between might, the DNA, like all the leveling and all that stuff. The thing is, I don't think you need to. And that's the whole point is I think your overall might's all it matters because it's your level for you being able to take on a mission. It'll tell you if you're out of your depth or whatever. So like I assigned my DNA once and never went back and fucked it around with it.

And then all the trinkets and artifacts and shit, it was just a stat-based thing. I never looked at what they did. No, they more might put them on there. If not, fuck it. It's like power level destiny. Exactly. 100%. Yeah, I don't care what it's doing as long as it's getting me where it is.

Yeah. I mean, it's interesting because there are so many like systems. There's so many just things to collect and like little like mini-game style things to do. like collecting the cats or the toilets. The yawai and the fucking yawis stuff. This is the first game I ever play where they send you once I quit. Like I'm actually more, like I laugh every single time

I find one of those freaking Yawa pictures. And I'm like, I just want to go look for these in the world because I just want to see what the next one is. So one of the overarching narratives of the game, of course, is tweaking Craig's relationship. And I missed this episode. It's an episode. It's a reference.

Are they gay for each other? Are they, I'm sorry. Are they gay and in love with each other? Or is it just that they're boys who really like other? No, I think, I don't remember. I'm sure people will correct us, but I remember the references to it. When I started collecting the posters, I was like, oh, this is clearly based on an episode of South Park, I don't remember, but I'm assuming they're not gay. No, they're not. As you continue on that quest, I was like, are they? And I don't care, but it's like, I was, I was, I was, I was a lapse fan who hadn't seen any of that content. I was like, huh. I think that might be just a joke. Is that like, when they set that up, they're obviously like, we don't know what it is, but they're weird and confusing to us, right? And like, I don't know.

No, I think there was an episode where they were making, they were trying to say that these two boys were gay. Yeah. Tweaking Craig. And then, I don't know how these drawings started happening in the world. But it's just, they're so fucking hilarious. Like, you know, like grabbing a hand in the pants and shit. It's so funny, man.

So, so those things I liked. I like the mechanics of when you're walking around the world and you get the added sort of like skills so that you can like fly around. You can like, you can throw things. Oh, sure. Your power of things. Yeah, the body skills. I think those are pretty cool. They're a little confusing and they don't really I don't think they don't set that up that much of like when you get them like I didn't realize I had one of them for the longest time

Oh yeah, I just picked that up. It's like hey you could do this now like oh okay right oh the firecracker thing? Yeah Actually maybe it wasn't the firecracker It was the uh throw your fart Yes That was when I was like I didn't realize that was actually something that stopped like if you fart on people It'll stop the combat I don't know if you know that aren't you can run away Well I do I throw this this you I throw the spark or the whatever firecrackers in their face and then attack that way Okay because that gives you combat advantage of the common advantage of the common advantage

is either burn or gross out. Oh, got you. Got you. Got you. I thought there was a, I thought if you hit triangle, it would stun him and you could run away so you don't actually have to fight.

You could do that as well. That's just up to you. Yeah, I don't know. Like, for me, I... It says, Tim, I'm... You fucking coward. You don't want to fight, you fucking coward. Why don't you know what to fight

to get the experience? I don't know, because sometimes I'm looking for a freaking Yowie or whatever I'm on a Yowie hunt. Well, that's the thing is like this game, it allows you just play whatever way you want. I feel like it does a good job of guiding you to the main quests. Yeah. but also giving you room to explore and collect things.

And there is so many different things to collect that it does get a little bit addicting. Yeah. My biggest problem with the game is that it's just doing a lot of things. Yeah. And I'm like, so many times I kind of feel like, oh, man, like I haven't watched the last four seasons of South Park. Should I just do that instead of playing this? Because it isn't challenging. And it isn't that much of a thing.

But see, I feel like for me, and maybe it's just a different level of gamers that we are. But like, I feel like for me, they do a really good job of creating. in this fun world that I just want to keep going in it. Like I think like I love all of the pull the curtain back. This is not really lava. It's Lego blocks. And like how Cartman's mom at the very beginning is like, sorry, officer.

Yeah, someone's put lava on my steps. And just doing that in the car is like, you know, car. Yeah. So it kind of reminds you, hey, you are in like kids' imagination. I think there's levels to it that has kept me going for at least six hours. I mean, that was my thing from it too. I understand what you're saying. Because there was definitely a moment when I was playing it where I was like,

man, this is not that far off of. life is strange or a walking sim like that, right? Where I'm just walking around to get the story and engage in it and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, but I'm okay with that. What took me to it was the fact of going through and marveling at, all right, I mean, I'm a huge superhero dork. So like being able to put on the costumes, build it, color code it the way I want it. Great.

The unlocking new better ones, like the Wonder Woman one or the superhero one. But then, yeah, getting into, all right, cool, lava's here. And this is how they've constructed this. And this is what that is and how they see the fight happening. It was like, man, this is like. I wish, in a way, without all the fucked up South Park parts of it, that, like, you, I had this childhood. I had this group of friends that was so into it that we were going to roll play.

The whole entire time. You knew about it. You're just warping constantly. And so that was the thing of, like, that was enough to keep me engaged or keep me there because I felt, you know, my game clock was 18 hours at the end, which is like, give or take a little bit, right? Because I'm sure I let it sit for a while. I'm like, 17, whatever.

And it was like, that was the hook to it. And the other, in the hook to it, what is that it's a really funny game. It's a really flushed out world. I don't think it's as funny as stick of it. I think Stick of Truth was funnier. But I also think I'm grading on a curve, which isn't fair, where I think Stick of Truth, if you remember, we were all like, well, let's see how this game is going to fucking come together.

And I remember going to that preview event with McCaffrey and leaving me like, that was a lot of fun, right? I really know. And then sitting down to playing it and constantly texting him and Brian Altano and be like, this game is laugh out loud, hilarious. I've never played a game like, and it's good. And like, it had technical stick of truth chugged. I don't remember.

So many problems. And it was that. All right, cool. jumping into this one, I think I knew what to expect. And so that might have taken it away to an extent. I felt like it was a slower burn. I felt like when I got to the end because I'm playing through and it's like, you know,

stick of truth. I'm fighting people. I'm fighting the little gnomes while my parents fuck above me. I'm fighting aborted fetuses. And it was like, man, all right, like we're playing this game. And it's like, all right, cool, cool. And then there was one moment that I won't ruin for anybody, but it's in the cell phone shop where you have a battle. And I like, I couldn't continue to battle. Like, I

was in hysterics. And Jen was playing Stardue next to me was in hysterics. Like it was the most outrageous. This is so fucking funny. And then from there is really where I felt like a couple more battles that came along and really cranked it up. Like there was another like boss battle towards the end where Jen's like, how are they going to do this and not get sued? And I was like,

I don't know. Maybe parody. It's the South Park, but man, I think this shit is funny as fuck. Yeah. I think this game is so funny. And the best thing about it is how authentically South Park it is. And for me saying like, oh, I feel like I'd rather just

watch South Park. It's like, I feel like this is beyond just a good episode of South Park. This feels like a good season of South Park condensed into an experience.

So, like, I'm complaining just to complain, I guess. But my problem with it, like the reason I'm critical is the gameplay, I enjoy the battle system and this better than Stick of Truth.

Yeah. I just wish it went deeper. I just wish there was more because it is obviously inspired by games like Fire Emblem and Descaya and things like that. And I understand I'm not going to get that depth out of this.

I just feel like it could go. a little bit deeper. Now, having said that, something I really like about the grid system they use is because it's such a small playing field and it's never like this large-ass multi-screen thing you're going through.

The way that the characters attacks where it shows you what each attack does, like you can see the red squares or whatever, and most of them are either straight in front of you or one straight line around you. That was cool. And again, I'm only six hours in, so I'm not like...

At some point there are some that cross. Yeah, there's the crossrooms and stuff And I'm like, oh, this is really awesome But I just don't see the game ever get into a point That actually requires you to think Well, have you thought of like upgrading Have you up the difficulty if that's the complaint? So I ended up up to that and it doesn't affect it that much

Yeah And if anything, it just makes it like There's just more to do Instead of it being like more of a challenge In terms of having to be in the right place At the right time And it's it just sucks because I just want more of a game out of it because it does feel like a walking simulator a lot. Walking simulator a lot of the time.

And that was a thing, Jen, a great walking simulator though. Jen watching it for the most part is like, this could be a mobile game outside of like this, but like the way it's doing like, yeah, 100%. And that's like, and that's like an insult to it. Honestly, I feel like it would be even better because one of the things I like doing the least is using the detective mode or the hell it's called. Um, and like to throw the poppers and all that stuff. It's like, tough screen would be awesome for that. Sure. Didn't they make a mobile game? Yeah, they did. But battery destroyer or some shit like that. I never played it. I didn't know how similar it was to.

to the actual game. Yeah. I don't know either. At all. No, it's an interesting one. What, for the, that kept the combat fresh for me was the ability of, first off, unlocking new party members and putting them in there to find a squad you liked. And then also the way they use the subclasses, where you pick a character profile of your speedster or whatever in the beginning.

But then after, like, what, day two, or leading into day two, you get another one. And by the end, spoilers, you have them all unlocked. So you really get to go through and start cherry-picking moves, especially it's really helpful, you know, going into that second class. where you're like, all right, I've done a handful of battles. I know what I've wanted. Like, fuck, why can't I shoot? Exactly.

Are you still limited to three moves? Yeah, three moves in an ultimate. Yeah, but you can start, like, now you're playing on like cards, right? Where you're picking and choosing what your deck looks like. The ultimates are amazing. The summons are amazing. The first one you get was it, which is the, what is the macaroni pie, Torah or macaroni thing where it's like Moses, but it goes into like the Tron.

The fucking awesome. Meanwhile, at the Super Friends Base are like the time. I didn't even see that. You haven't did that one yet? You get a... Is it a Torah? Or is it the Star David? It's called the Torah thing.

I mean... You get a Star of David Macaroni Picture. The Star of David Macaroni Picture. And when you summons it, it heals all of your... It heals everyone in the group. But it goes to like a cutscene where it's like, it's like this Tron-esque figure. And he's like, oh, I'll say what you guys. Do you remember, you remember when they introduced that, Moses, the, like, Zordon.

Yeah, okay, yeah, I did get there. He's in there. I didn't get there. I really like Super Craigs. Everything? Super Craig's amazing. Supercracks, everything. I just love his ultimate of like the little hamster.

The live action hamster. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So funny. Yeah, like, but in general, Supercrack, I think it's the one of the stand-out characters for me. And just like, I love the, he's the one of the group that doesn't take it seriously. So everybody shits on him during battle of like,

oh, man, if you could put half the effort and then he's like, shut the fuck up. Or whatever. He's like, oh, man, I never thought kites were cool. I've never thought, I never thought I think kites were cool. And he goes, thanks, give me a second change. Like, who said I said, they were cool. How did you guys feel about the toilet mini games?

I'm used to them. I'm expecting them. Yeah, my thing with it is like, it's another example of, I think it's funny, and whenever I see when I do it, but it's just like it... It's a burden for me. Those things are like a chore for me. Is it the same one from the first game? No, it's different. It's different now. It plays out more like a DDR thing, yeah.

And it's just, it's interesting because, like, I would be all about that, but they're never really that challenging. And when they are challenging, it's because the fingers are in weird-ass places where it's like hit R2 triangle and the analog sticks. It's like, what the fuck, that's really weird.

But I mean, again, it's just like, there's so much in this game that is worth doing, and it's fun collecting the shit. Yeah. But it's like, I, this isn't going to be in my top 10 of the year. Like, that's where I'm coming down on it, where it's like, it's a great game. But I think there's been so many good games this year that this is just one that I'm like, you don't necessarily need to get it right now. Like, when it is, it's time when there's a drought, go through and play it.

But I'm not, like, rush out and buy it. do you where does it come out with you guys I mean I love it I think it's a I had fun with it and I had a great time

with it I'm similar to you I mean I won't say it's not my top 10 I would stop to think that down it definitely would be high on my top 10 and I yeah I don't think

I think when stick a truth hit it was holy shit this is different you need to play this and this one is very much this is another soft part game which is great it's more of what I want

but you're right you're on the money in terms of like all right cool I'm going through all these different things to get there like it's

at the end I'm not gonna spoil anything for the end end like when they are really like all right cool now use every one of your powers like the you know fart or fly and all that stuff like when i'm out collecting that was fine but then at the end like they kind of put it all together it's like all right like can we go a little bit faster is our way to automate this you know i know how to do this whatever right yeah as someone who i don't love turn base games at all like i really the only one i ever cared for was Pokemon growing up and like i tried final

fantasy just was not for me and i i really love this game i don't know where it'll fall in top 10 just because you know, Wolfenstein 2 and Mario and Assassin's Creed. We got to wait for all those fucking games. But yeah, I saw, I'd put that out on Twitter and some guy replied to me. He was like, that's such a great endorsement. He's like, because this is a game I would not

have played because it's turn-based. And knowing that somebody else really enjoys it, even though it's turn-based, is like a good sign. I think that's the powerful part of the game that's actually what you think is one of his weaknesses is the fact that the combat, the turn-based combat, you can wrap your head around.

and yeah, I think we jump in and after a while like, oh, okay, I got this, whatever. But there's also that part of, you know, I didn't lose any battles on normal. Like, I was able to get through that, which kind of sounds shitty, I'm sure, to some people, but to me who just wants the story and wants to go through it. I was like, all right, this is fun.

I'm glad because some of the battles at the end get kind of long and there's multiple waves. And it was like, oh, fuck, I better start using my items correctly. And like, shit, let's revive him, but wait on him and not do her. And like, there was a bit to it, but it was never like, fuck, that's my fifth time failing.

And I'm that close and I don't. And I don't want that in this kind of game. I'm not looking for that in South Park. I think if the system were any, like, you're looking for a deeper system term-based-wise. If it were any deeper, I don't think I would like it. I don't like it either. It's like RPG light. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. But my thing is from South Park and from the style of game this is, I would just rather a bit more challenging, not like super hardcore, but a bit more challenging and then the entire package being a bit, like, just condensed. Where it's like every battle matters instead of. There's being a lot of battles. a lot of battles. And that's the only reason I have the problem with it is like how many times they need to beat up the sixth graders? Like that's funny the first time. I hear you on that.

No, because that was the same thing at the end when like raisins, the girls would come after me. Like, I'm not going to do this right now and just keep going. Like, I'm not in the mood to fight you right now. And like, you think like, it's long and the two thing you do stuff. Wait at least to get to the end of this game. Because this is one of the best examples recently of like, oh fuck, I'm about to beat it. Oh, wow, there's more. Okay. Well, here we go. All right. Well, now I'm almost, okay, fuck. Well, I'm going to beat it. And like, where a gentleman looks at me at one in the morning.

She's like, is this game going to end? Like, you started at 10.30 thinking you were about to beat it. I'm like, I think I'm almost there. Hold on. Give me it's great. Give me a game where the encounters are like, you get into a counter in it's real-time combat. Like, I would love to see a soft park game

that's like a beat-em-up brawler, like how they did Scott Pilgrim. Like, I love that shit. Those games are so dated. And you want to get the humor. They want to be the whole term base works so great. It allows for the dialogue. We can have those dialogue.

You play that Nintendo 64. Yeah, South Far again. The first-person shooter? Yeah, that was fun. Oh, man. I'm enjoying it, though. Yeah, I can't wait to play more.

I didn't expect that, but I... Nick, are you going to stick around anymore? Yeah, I'm definitely going to play more. I don't know if I'll beat it. I'll be honestly. Like, my attention span for it's already certain to wane. And, um, but I want to play... I'm good for at least two, three more hours of it.

Just see if it kind of, if it keeps going with me. Yeah, 18 hours, that's kind of scary. 18 hours scares me a little bit. I thought it was like a 12-hour. That's what I said earlier, right? That sounds high, but I'm pretty sure from... I'm not getting 18 hours. You told me 15 before you beat it.

I think I was at 15. Okay, yeah, yeah. As I was, as I was stopping the... As I was about to start the game, I was hoping I wasn't going to like it. I was hoping it was going to be bad, so I could just dig more into Shadow of War, and I ended up loving it, so it's like, fuck,

there's two games I love right now. And the presentation is on another level. The fact that this is a video game is mind-blowing, because it looks like South Park. Yeah. So nuts. Yeah, it runs really well. I hadn't heard about the technical.

problems. For my, I had a flawless run and I thought it ran really well and it was nice after you know, stick of truth having so many problems on PS3 that load is to go super fast. It would be that thing of like, I'm going to go over there and load screen pops up and I try to get my phone out and I wouldn't be able to get it out in time. I think that's good. I think Jason Schar is the one who wrote the guy. Well, he's a fucking lying piece of shit apparently. Oh, he's not. Someone had to say it. I'm glad it was you. Any closing thoughts on South Park?

I think it's fun. I think if I think to Andy's point, like if you guys, if you're not thinking about playing it and you're looking for something a little bit more casual and fun and just want to laugh a little bit, definitely give it a shot. Yeah, I'm looking forward to, I'm going to go back. It's interesting because we've done the story on Games Daily about them announcing the season pass. And somebody asked like, oh, is this what you guys would have wanted out of

Stick of Truth? And I was like, I don't remember finishing Stick of Truth and wanting more. Whereas this one, I'm like, actually Jonesing to get home tonight and play them, you know, there's missions I still have left. There's trophies for me to knock out. I don't know if I'll go back and play it again, because I need to go back now and play as black character on Mastermind

Difficulty. You get that trophy and I'm like through the whole thing. Yeah and I'm like you can't skip like cutscenes and stuff I was trying maybe on my maybe it'll know now or something if I do a second playthrough it'll let me but before it couldn't and I was like I don't know if I have that in me again because it's too much to play. Hmm. Too much to play and Andy. Thank you guys for for joining us. Thanks guys. You can go back to whatever

it is that you're doing. Yeah what do you do around here? Oh looks at Gundams. I forget. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Pretty sick sweet Gundams though. That's some sick Gundams man. Devin, what have you been playing? Um, Well, we talked about this yesterday. We just, sorry. We just bought a house.

And she started her business and everything. So since we're going through this little transition, I bought Destiny 2 because I figured that would be something that I could play the longest. You're like, all right, I'm spending a lot of money. I only want to spend $60 more. Yeah. So I did, but I already got to 305, so. Didn't take you as long as you thought, huh?

Didn't keep you around as much as you thought it would. But I'm still, like, I still do the weekly challenges. Yeah, I was going to say you're coming back for that, and Iron Banner and all that stuff. Yeah. So, I mean, I'll still get plenty of time out of it. Okay. That's what I've mostly been doing.

What is the next game on the horizon then? I know you're, you're, you're, you put your money in destiny. What are you waiting for next then? I mean, there's so much. October 27th, man. Yeah, I know. Are you getting them all? Well, I might get Shadow of War next because I've already pre-ordered my 1X.

And so when that comes in, I'll probably... You want that showcase title. I do. I do. I want something to show it off. And I want to get it. Because if you played... What was the first one?

Shadow Mordor? Yeah. If you played it on whatever system and you get the sequel, same system, your nemesis transfer. from the first game. Gotcha. Or one of them or multiple, I don't know. So I want that experience

to see how that goes. I love the nemesis system. It was awesome. And I am surprised not as many games have done anything like that. You think more people would rip that off,

right? Because it was such a thing that people really dug. Yeah. Yeah. Dustin too with you, are you still going back at all? Plan is still the platinum it.

It's just we've been, it's the normal thing and it always happens. It's just been on the road. And now that I'm back, I'm playing other things and South Park got here and I wanted to focus

on my time on that. and then Super Mario's on the horizon. So it's just that issue of, I'm not 305. I can actually open my destiny app and tell you. I want to say $2.92 or something like that. Have you been doing multiple characters, though? Yeah, that's, well, not like hardcore enough

to have that really be something I can hang my hat on and make an excuse about. This is when I will probably get the platinum on because I did the raid. Yeah. And, I mean, I can do two more run-throughs with the other two characters, but then all I need is like, I think I need a prestige nightfall trophy and that would that would be it.

Oh really? That's all you need now? Yeah. I mean if I do a run through with the other two characters to get the. Well, what about like for me it's that. So I have a, I'm 291 right now on my main hunter. Um, one ninety one on my Titan. That doesn't really matter because all I need the Titans got, I, I just have to do more

public events to pop the ability to go get the final third subclass or whatever. Yeah. And once I do that, I pop that trophy, bail on him forever. Make a warlock do the same thing. Yeah. And then it would be the prestige. I do a nightfall, not their aid. And then do, what is it?

Do trials and go meet that one guy. Oh, I do a trial match. Which everybody talks about how tough it is. But Sean Pitts swears to me that he can just get me on his team in one weekend, hopefully this weekend, beat one fucking around and be done with it. I actually forgot about the trials. So it may be a little harder than I thought. Well, it sounds like if you just have a good team, you know what I mean?

They can pull you through and do and get it done with. But yeah, I still want a platinum it. I still think that's obtain while. I still think that will happen. What else have been playing? Right before this, I try to do Friday 13th. Friday 13th, if you haven't heard, is game of the year, except it's broken all the fucking time.

It drives me crazy. So, no, you know, I love Friday 13th. And last weekend was Friday the 13th. They had the double XP weekend. We're like, we're going to fucking stream it all day. Me, Cool, Greg, and Joey, we'll do it all afternoon. I'm going to rake in this double XP. Um, num, num, num, num, yum, num, yum, yum, eat it up, have rain all over me.

And sure enough, we start the stream, and the fucking servers are garbage, and you can't make it happen. So we kept, we do a match, and then it would crash or whatever. and we just eventually gave up. But that night, of course, I went home and played more with kids and got a group together and got the trophy I needed

for playing as every different counselor and then playing as every different Jason, which I need the double XP to help me bump up faster at the level. You're gonna get that 1,300 kills or whatever it is? You know what I mean? Joey asked me when I was, on Saturday, she was gonna come over

and her and Jen played Starreta and I played streamed Friday 13th. And when I was starting to rattle off why I was doing it, she's like, are you trying to get the platinum in Friday 13th? because if you're unaware and you've missed me, bitch about it before, horrible fucking trophies.

Fucking disaster. Terrible fucking trophies. And where it is, yeah, I get 13, 13 kills or whatever the fuck it is, weird shit like that. Where it's just like, that's going to take forever. However, it is the thing of like, I've never been, it's been a long time since I've cared. I've never cared about a competitive multiplayer game like I care about this game. And it is that thing of what I was about to lead into is the fact that I just tried to play it. We had 20 minutes before.

And I was like, let's get a fucking match together. So I hit up kids on Twitter. I had my seven people all set to go. Cool Greg was ready to play. And we jumped in, invited everybody. Almost everybody got in the lobby. Last guy tried to connect. Crash blue screen.

Do it all again. Crash blue screen. Do it again. And I'm like, I kept thinking, well, this guy tried to invite somebody on his own. Maybe that's what did it. Don't invite anybody. Invite everybody. Then it was, all.

This is the guy I saw trying to join when it crashed. Don't invite him. It all crashed over and over and again. I'm like, fuck that. Jumped into Fortnite, which I'll get to in a second. But to the thing where it was, Joey's like, are you really trying to platinum this? and I'm not actively like yeah I'm gonna platinum it

but there is this thing in me of like if we can just stop the fucking random ass crashes for no fucking reason because the servers are garbage and the code sucks I'm going to keep playing this this will be a game that it is going to be like hey let's do 20 you know how people treat battle rail on fortnight like hey so so we were at lunch it was me Joey and Andy and we're talking about like some of Friday the 13 came up

and we just don't get it we just don't get how you are so obsessed with this game and play this game in the way people play, PUBG or Mario Kart or Spanish Brothers. It's the exact... I mean, how do you not get it? It's the exact same thing. It seems like such a weird, weird game

that's broken as fuck. It's just like, and all those other games work. I mean, when it does work, though, it works so good. I don't believe Joey didn't believe it. Joey loves that game, too. She was part of the conversation. Okay. Well, it's just like, I look at them

and it just seems like such a game that I understand that you're a big fan of. And that you're like, hey, it's something I like. but it's just to think that you're going to keep going back to it for so long to the point that you might get 13 13 kills yeah that sounds crazy to me the dangerous element will be is when I start popping the other ones when I start hitting like the other milestones you know what I mean of whatever there and I don't have in front of me but like either 100 or 500 or whatever I'm whatever when you hit one of those it's going to be like well now I'm close it's going to be in your mind and that's the thing where it's going to be like what if what if we just did an extra life stream or whatever for two hours and I was like all right everybody we're not really playing the game just run up to me Let me kill each one of you and we'll do this over and over and farm it that way. And like, I'm not to that point. I don't think I will. I've heard other people bitch that trophies are broken, but people do have the platinum now.

They have the Friday 13th platinum? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, I guess. That's the problem. It's such a shitty trophy list.

You're going to cheese it to get it. There's no. No one's actively just played that happen. No one's... Killing Jason is so fucking stupid and complicated that it's like, all right, clearly you probably have people doing that with you. I know people have popped it in the wild on their own or whatever. But no, it sucks so much that the first game I'm really into that's like multiplayer like this and is like, hey, I got 20 minutes, let's play.

I don't know why this has got to be so fucked every time I want to use it, right? Because it's so demoralizing of like, man, I don't know. I'm not making it. In the beginning it was, oh, they were a small developer. They are a small developer. They didn't know what they were getting into. I understand launch weekend woes and all the shit. And then double XP the first time, everything went to shit.

All right. They're trying, you know, they're trying. They're, gun and I'll phonic are still doing what I always want developers to do over communicating. Here's our roadmap. Sorry, this was broken. Here's your reward. But they, I don't understand how it keeps getting fucked up like this. Well, when they started, they weren't even Friday the 13th.

They were, they were like camp. Whatever they were going to call it. And then they got the license. And that's a lot of pressure to be put on. Sure. But I mean, now, like, you would hope and we don't know developers. And I've reached out and invited them on the Gamescast, of course, as a fan, but then also to ask questions like this.

They're just like, I don't understand how. The checks have come in. You know how much you sold. How has that not been poured back in a server? Similar to Rocket League. Rocket League melted, right, when it first launched on PS Plus, and it was this giant phenomenon. And Cyanics did the right thing,

then, like, the gun did of, like, we're talking to you, we're telling you what's happening, blah, blah, blah. But then it's the counterbalance that. Cyanics seem to have poured that all back in to make Rocket League rock solid and have not issues every weekend. There's a big thing happening with it, whereas with Friday it keeps happening.

And so it is that thing for me of like, fuck, I really should stop playing this. really should find something else. I should come back in months when it's fixed if I care at all. But the problem is that I'm still hooked on it and I want to play it. It's just that desire of like,

why I'm, so then today I was like, all right, whatever, let's finally try Fortnite and jumped into Fortnite and got two matches in before we started the show.

Yeah, Fortnite battle right. Yeah, it's not, not a Fortnite proper. And you got in there and it's like, this is fun. Like,

I don't know, I'm anxious to play more. I'm not, you know, chomping at the bit to go more or champing at the bit, depending on what you're from. I've been,

I've been very interested to see how many people on my Twitter feed are playing Fortnite Battle Royale. Yeah. Like when it was first announced, I was just like... Well, I think the news blew it up that... They were epic... Erda out of that Blue Hole was mad and put up the statement. And that gave them so much attention.

Yeah, but I'm talking about like industry people. Oh, sure. That are in there that are playing and like, I keep seeing people Twitch streaming it. I'm like, whoa, they had more of a hook than I thought it would for people that, like, Are they tired of PubG or what is it? I mean, with all due respect, I mean, isn't it just the fact that I would think? And you tell me, most of our people I follow in the industry, most industry people are console players. Like, that's the thing, right?

Like, it's just easier to do that. And like, that's why I'm playing it. And even playing it today where I got my two matches in and it's like, first off, is what everybody said about it. And again, I'm two matches in. So I haven't even built anything. You know what I mean? Like I brought up the wall thing. And I was like, I'm not staying here.

I'm trying to move to the center of the circle. Fuck it. it's way more inviting than PubG is. Now granted, this is my perspective as Greg Miller, console gamer,

council fanboy, fuck PC gaming. It's just more inviting of like I know I'm in, it's third person, I know how to play this, I know what to do,

and then I'm running into houses and they're loaded with ammo and guns and I'm like picking up different guns and leaving guns behind. Like I'm getting armed at the tooth right away, whereas PubG was like, I got four fucking bullets

and a handgun and a pot I'm wearing as a helmet. Whereas this is like, no, you're totally ready to go and like seeing people, and like shooting at them and getting I'm in it right away whereas PubG

That's so funny because to me like looking at Fortnite and I love that Fortnite's the kind of first one to do it since because Fortnite's built on that idea of build your base, build the blockade, do all that. And that to me is the complicated element of it that I'm happy PUBG doesn't have. Yeah.

Because you're in it. Sure. Go. Well, from what I understand talking to Andrew and a few other people who play Fortnite battle royale and stuff is the building's really just about getting you to an elevated position and stuff. It's not, you know, you're not building the way you build in Fortnite vanilla where you're like building up a base to defend it.

Like you're trying to get to the center of the circle and then I guess you worry about it. But I just got killed it being 21 right out of 100. So it's like I haven't gotten to end game Fortnite Battle Rail to really see what that's about. But it is that thing of like, I'm anxious to get back in there and do it again. And it is exactly what I wanted out of the Friday 13th for fails of like, hey, we have 10, 15, 20 minutes to kill here. Well, I'm going to jump in to do this real quick and see what it's all about. but it's the similar thing of like and this is terrible but it's what I talk about right of like there's no trophies in it and that's a issue for me right it's early access it's not a full-fledged

game I get that and I don't mean to sound like a trophy whore even though I clearly am one but like if I'm putting 20 minutes into something I'd like it to matter if that makes sense like I'd like to get I'd like to be building some kind of stat or something where it's like Friday 13th at least I'm jump through a window I'm getting closer to this like there's the many rewards right which I know sounds so stupid and people always talk about I don't get trophies, the gameplay is the reward, yada, yada, and I get all that and I agree with that. But the reward in

PubG slash Fortnite right is the chicken dinner. It's becoming one or getting close. I'm like, oh fuck, I can do better. Which I get out of Fortnite and I'm going to keep playing it for a little bit there. Whereas with Friday the 13th or anything else, Friday of 13th, I'm filling in my XP number overall, which is I still have to work for that new Jason

who's 41 or 44, level 44. And I'm 32 right now. the fact that if I want to say fuck it I died early but I did jump through a window so I know I'm doing that or I trapped them in a trap so I'm chipping away at that trophy like it's those little in a game that is a game games of service

I like the smaller carrots at the end of the stick that keep me going to the next one of the larger goal role playing elements within the game of leveling things up even if it's not properly leveling up it's getting this many out of that many things badges doing on it's everything is there something in the game like that Which game, Fortnite?

Yeah. Hard for me to say. I guess you did just start it. I just did it and I was like, I was trying, on the screen, I'm like, Matt, trying to figure out what button to customize my character or my look. Couldn't figure that out. Jumped in the character that I was, it was just in a normal army looking white dude, but both the times I dropped out of the battle bus. Like, I was a different character, so I don't understand how that is if that's just random every time, which I'm fine with. I was just like, oh, that's not what I was expecting.

But it's fun, it's colorful. It runs well. I was, I had fun with Fortnite. I want to keep playing Fortnite. but yeah it's just weird thing with these games of services of like it's just i don't like fortnight i like in friday thirteenth i like that there's like this has an ending whereas like i'm like i'm like on the ps fort work i have marvel heroes downloaded too where i'm like oh man maybe i'll chip away at that and do some stuff there but it's like well that

game just goes on you know what i mean like i don't want to go on i want it to be hey this is a 20 minute match tops you're good you know what i mean and i'll be done or be out of it yeah yeah this is why like i'm pretty stoked about pub g in general on xbox for the same reasons Because yeah, it's just every match is a different thing, and you're going to love that experience. Yeah. And even if you get first or even if you die at 90, it's like that is a story in itself. And it's a similar thing of like, you know, I was talking to a friend in New York when we're out there. And I was like, man, I really got to try GTA online.

But GTI Online is the same way. I feel of just being like, I'm going to download it and get in it. And it's just going to be 20 minutes of fiddling with my character and never doing anything. I say we commit to GTA online. I haven't played in so long. Like we should. for party mode alone I feel like we should really like figure that shit out

and understand it because it seems like there's so much going on there and so much fun there like every few weeks every month I see more stuff added to it and I haven't played in so long I don't even know how it works because I tried it when it first launched and if you remember when it first launch it was awful

that's why you couldn't even get into it for like a month yeah and and so once it kind of finally settled out I played it a little bit and I kind of got the idea of what it but it's completely different now. Yeah, 100%. I mean, that's what, I mean, you look at what they've done with that,

and they clearly looked at their community, and how are they using this tool, and what are the different groups, and all, we'll reward them all with that. So, yeah, I'm down. I'm totally down. All right. Do you have it? I do not. I do not.

I have it up just three. I'll draft the issue. So I haven't played too much because South Park has been what I played the most of. And your cover. I did beat Cuphead, finally, which I'm very, very, very proud of. No one has made me a trophy yet. I'm a little upset about it because I need it.

But yeah, no, Cuphead, just as fantastic as I've been saying it was. I loved the final boss. I will say the second to last boss is my least favorite thing about that game. Dice Man. Dice man. Oh, man. It's infuriating. And it's one of the few times where I'm like, it's not fun to play against it.

Because it's just, it's too long. And at the end of the day, every other boss fight takes between one and three minutes max to beat. dice man takes up to 8 to 10 minutes to get through his whole thing. And it's frustrating to get to the end part and then die and have to do it all again. And there's a lot of dice roll. It's just, it's a whole thing. So I haven't played copied yet. That actually might be the next one I get.

But on that one, I've seen some videos of your, like in a casino or something, and you're going. And there's ones that say start over or something like that. You're just rolling a dice and rolling a number and hoping that you do. You just fucking hoping you don't hit that start over. Because then you start over. Now, here's the thing. The dice, and this is something that I learned over time, you can control the dice rolls.

It only goes one to three. And if you parry at the right time, you do get the number that you want. However, it's hard. You know, and it's like split screen thinking where you have to like get at the exact right point or else you don't get the number you want. And that could be the difference between starting over or not. But then the problem is like that last, the boss fight at the end of that is. It's challenging and you don't get the trial and error ability to do it over and over and learn from your mistakes because you have to do all this other shit to get to it.

It's like classic boss battles in like N-E-S or S-NES. It was the first time in Cophead that I felt the pacing was off. But then once I got past, I felt so fucking good and I beat the hell out of the final loss and I was so happy. What an amazing game. I love it. I got to download it. I just haven't started it. It's so good.

And so then after I did that, I did go back a little bit and try to get all the extra coins that I missed. and the little extra shit just because I wanted. There's no way that I'm gonna... What's the Xbox version applied? I mean, do they have a name? I don't think they have... There's a thousand gamers score. That's it.

Yeah, there's no way. I looked at Jeremy Dooley from Achievement Hunter got it. He's an idiot. And it blows my mind because the pacifist runs you have to do on the running gun stages. I don't know how anyone can do it. But whatever, I'm happy with beating it. I can stop there.

I'm playing a lot of my SNES classic just because it is one of those things where I beat these games so many times that I don't need to commit to going through them all. But I want to have 20 minutes here. there like when Gia's making dinner and she's like oh it's gonna be ready soon I'm gonna all right pop it in playoff zero for a little bit

which is such a call back to your childhood of mom dinner's on a 20 minute like alright let me beat the level but yeah man the SDS classic is such a such a fun little thing just to have and such a great lineup of games and I just love so many of them all just pick up and play and I'm like this is great but then there's longer things you can get into too like Final Fantasy or Earthbound

and all this stuff if you've never played them obviously it's a great way to play them but yeah that's pretty much been it for me How's the cord length on that SNDS? I know it's longer. Nope, not long enough. Not nearly long enough.

I need to have an HGMI cord come out to the system to my game. So my system's just in the middle of my floor. And I'm not that far from my TV. Like my couch is like right there. So it's kind of upsetting. I think someone makes a wireless. They do. Like a USB.

I don't really want to commit to all that. It's like my thing is. All these shenanigans. Like, yeah, virtual console, once that, hopefully eventually whatever form comes to switch then I'll invest in whatever wireless controller they have the connects to the switch but well I just use it I haven't even docked my switch ever I don't know where my doc is honestly wow that's awesome good on you I like that a lot it's weird I mean with my switch I never

think of it that is a thing either right I was getting excited for Mario and I was like oh yeah it'll be great to get it and like Jenkin play or watch whatever she wants and I was sitting I'm like oh wait we have the two TVs out there I guess I I plug it into the dock, which is the same thing that happened over the weekend when I stopped playing Friday 13th and streaming it. I went over and started cooking dinner and Joey and were next to each other on the couch. Jen playing on the TV and then Joey's still playing on her switch. And after like 15 minutes to be like, Joe, you can use the TV I was just using. You can use the other dock.

She's like, oh, I guess I could. And then she was like, I never use a pro controller. Well, that never did. It's so weird. It's a pro controller. Like, in my experience, I found the pro controller is only really worth it if you're playing on TV. Oh, sure. I mean it's in tablet mode or whatever.

It's like, I'd rather just be playing. Oh, that's stupid, no. Yeah. That's why I'm better at you in Mario Kart. Because, like, I'm telling you, when I'm on an airplane, I got out of thing. You never beat me in Mario. I put it. Bullshit.

You haven't. Stop getting it right now. You haven't. You haven't beat me. Nah. You haven't beat me in Mario Kart since you've been good. No. Like, since Mario Karty.

Not true. It's true. Never. In any race. I mean, in any race of, like, importance. Like, that's just fucking around, whatever. But any, like. Any race you win is not of importance.

Okay, fine. well, then you have a movie. Spirit. I only ever played with you where you beat me. Bullshit. Kevin, you've got to be a fact checker on this. Is that true? I remember when we were playing here in the mornings when Mario Kart was, we were all over it.

Tim was never here. So I think really you're just dot nice. So is it, are you making that you're better than me argument? Are you making a Nick Scarpino argument of you? It's just never happened. I'm saying it never happened. Okay, thank you. You don't know that you're better than that was all I'm saying.

Thank you. Now I'm all right with his argument. Now I'm all right with his argument. All right. Sorry, I was confused there. That's what's happening. For this week. gaming history with the longest list of games of all time.

Man, it hit the fall, man. We were in June. We were in May. We were in whatever the fuck we first started doing this. I guess it was June. June July. Nothing ever came out back then. And then it's like once we hit August, it was like more.

But now that we're like mid-October, waterfall. Prepare for this. It's the waterfall. Longest list ever. Two years ago on October 16, 2015, Yoshi's Woolly World came out on the Wii. I just want to give that one a shout out. Okay.

Do you play it at all? No, I never had a Wii U. Oh, yeah. You didn't. It's my man right there. But then they put it on a 3DS, and it didn't run as good. It's the whole thing. Did you like it a lot?

I liked it. I played it. That's when I played for a little bit and just bailed. Didn't love it. It was way better than Yoshi's New Island. Was it better than Kirby's Epic Yarn? That sounded like the Yoshi sound. It was better than Kirby's Epic Yarn.

Okay. It was. Two years ago on October 20th, 2015, Guitar Hero Live came out on PS4. So this was the re-ushering in of what was sure to be a fruitful future. One of our most successful let's plays ever. Bottom buttons.

The Guitar Hero Live Let's Play of me and Alfredo playing is to this day number one video on Kind of Funny Games. Wow, that's awesome. Yeah. It sucks that that, I mean, it doesn't suck, but it was one of those things that that came out and I played it and I was actually like, and that's a game that we took home.

I mean, and I played for a few nights where I was like, you know, this is actually really fucking cool. and I'm rusty now as to what was cool about the career mode but it was cool there was different things happen. Guitar Hero Live was the one that was live action video. Yeah, yeah. Real-a- Yeah. It was fucking awesome. And the black and white parts.

The guitar was the black and white source. Yeah, I didn't like that. I could get used to it. Getting used to it was impossibly hard and I think that the fact that that game came out, there was no saving that game, period. But the fact that it came out right next to Rock Band 4 was such a disaster because it's like I would never get used to it because then there's this thing that I'm used to. So playing that. And that was the party.

And that was what everybody wanted you to do. All your old songs transferred to Rock Band Live came out to like a very like bad. Yeah. It should have gone off on its own. Yeah. Been before Rock Band 4 and then had a shot. But otherwise no. But my thing is guitar Her Alive,

I loved it because it was more about score challenge and it was more about the difficulty and rhythm game. Like people needed some prowess there to be able to get through it. But yeah, I could never wrap my head about it. And then other things happen so it died. I feel like more people played guitar hero solo and rock band with friends. Absolutely.

Yeah. Another thing I would like to see come back. It's kind of guitar hero related. Dance, dance revolution. It's, I'm waiting. I'm just waiting. Although it never really went away. Well, I spent $200 on one of those.

The Cobalt Flux ones? The huge foam. Oh, okay. Thrustmaster probably. I can't remember what it was called. The Cobalt Flux were the like actual professional. metal ones. Okay, not that one. It was like the step under that. I mean, I was

like 16, I don't know. Yeah. But, um, oh my God, I played so much DDR. Yeah, me too. Unbelievable now. What's your favorite? DDR Max 2. I love Max 2. But Extreme, I think, has the best song list, but DDR Max 1 holds a very special place in my rhythm and policemen. Um, six years ago

on October 16, 2011, Skylander Spiro's Adventure came out on 3Ds, PS3, We and 360 kicking off toys to life. Islander craze being a whole thing they made it happen they took Spiro and they fucking crushed his hopes and dreams they finally made him into this little thing and made him make a lot of money they finally made him matter after years of obscurity and all right mr. Miller hashtag unleashed by bad 2018 make it happen uh six years ago on october 18 2011 Batman Arkham city came out yeah PS 3 and 360 that feels like a long time it does yeah six years

yeah and it's great game yeah seven years ago October 19, 2010, Vanquish. Wow. The Ryan Comments joint. Yeah, one of the most disappointingly selling games of all time. Yeah, that was the one where

everybody's like, platinum is awesome. Have you seen this game? Bankwish, you slide around and shoot shit. Yeah, it deserves so much better. I'm happy that it got another shot. Eight years ago, October 20th, 2009,

Borderlands won. Wow. PS3 and 360. That was another one that like, I mean, I, let's see, what year is that? I wasn't in IGM. So I wasn't even in the industry.

And that kind of took me by surprise. I don't know if people kind of were expecting that to be a thing. But I remember when it came out, it was just like, this super stylish intro with the theme song and all that stuff. It was like, this looks fucking cool. And the cell shaded and just the look of it. The problem, the only problem with why Birdlands, I think, would have done even better because it obviously did amazing, don't remember wrong.

But it would have, the problem was the messaging leading up to launch was such a, it was, it sounded so much like a game I wouldn't want to play where they were like, we have infinite guns and you're gonna get this and like we know I was in the the like this is a classic video the old classic IGN video of like Dave Clayman being Randy Pitchford which is like first time anybody heard of Randy Pitchford and that like I'm a celebrity or whatever like they throw knives and we're attacking each other and killing people who didn't get it and it was like you're hearing about this game just like infinite gun combinations this thing they're like what is it and they were pitching it is like it's the hardcore gamers game exactly it's the gamer shooter with RPG elements which was like crazy at the time or whatever and so it's like Like what? And then when you got your hands on it and you played other people, it was like, oh, I get it. And that was why, like, Clayman and Brutvig and stuff that would go home at night and do what people do now in destiny and raid and go after these Leviathan bosses over and over and over again try to get better loot. This was for you, Greg, eight years ago on October 20th, 2009, GTA Chinatown Wars came out on the PSP. Fuck yeah, it did. Chantown Wars is awesome. Awesome game. You want to talk about a game Rockstar should put on the switch. Just keep putting it out.

Have it on my Vita. Still haven't played it. You're a monster. Chinatown Wars, if I remember correctly, was the 3DS game? Sorry, DS game. Yeah, right. Because the PSP first had Liberty City and then Buy City stores. Correct, yeah. So this was the one that caught everybody's surprise when they put it on DS.

Because it was like Rockstar is working in the Nintendo now. And you played it and it's like, this is a GTA game. I'm selling drugs. This whole game. The whole thing here is that you're like you were, there was an economy in the game that you were selling drugs and you'd buy them in one part of town at a cheaper race. and then come over here and sell them at a higher rate and it was like, this game's fucking awesome

and it's so fucking good. I never played it. You're an idiot. Going to someone talking about earlier, nine years ago, October 19, 2008, Rock Band 2 came out on PS3. That was the one. Rock Band 2?

My favorite of the rock bands. Hell yeah. Oh my God. You're kidding me? It was amazing. Rockhead 2 is awesome. If I remember correctly, that was the first one to have the continuous DLC

where every week we're putting out songs. There's a whole bunch of shit and like it all adds on top of each. other. There was, I think there was a way, like, if you had rock band one and you bought rock band two, you could put all the, like, not all of them, but like 95% of them you could put on the second game. So you automatically had this enormous list. Yeah. Yeah, rock bands, I never fucked with it as much as guitar hero, because I was in it for the more arcadey shit instead of the friend party stuff, but it was fun of parties. Rock band, man, and that was the movement,

because that was the, it's funny you think about like my career and like games that, like, define them or whatever, but early years was rock band. because I started IGN, and it was that the first day of work, there was an event, or maybe it was the second day, because I think it went home, it doesn't matter. Second day work, which was the Friday before GDC, there was an event I went to with Jeff Haynes, and it was a thing where it was an EA event. Harmonix was up there talking, not about rock band, but excited about what their next project might be, and behind them they had a real drum kit and a real guitar and a real microphone, and I had to do an interview

with Alex from Harmonics and I was like so he's like I can't say well blah and then it was like it's rock band and then rock band was so popular with our group at IGM like Hillary was so into it and Damien was so into it and like we would do the thing where you would wrap work in that way not even rap work when we were rapping our work at like 435 o'clock fucking Nick Scarpino and the video team idiot it's a Craig Barrett an entire route would go in there and just fucking destroy the demo room and then we'd all rap and we'd go in there and it was that thing where we'd go see movies and then you come back to the office and just fucking party and played rock band all the time. Rock band was like even at drinking parties, like house parties.

People had rock band. It was just the way it was. It was a group activity. Yeah, man. Time and place. R. IP. Nine years ago on October 21st, 2008, Far Cry 2 came out on PC, PS3 and 360. Was it two or three?

Three. Three was the one where everyone was just like similar to vanquished or just, holy shit, this is amazing game. Three is the one where it went on everybody's radar. It was like, holy shit, what the fuck? is this? People love Far Cry 2. And there's depth. It didn't even Far Cry 1. I remember back

in the day. Yeah, Far Cry 2 in terms of fandom is like if you like persona 3. You know what I mean? Like if you got on the train early, like there's something here guys and then the next one is where everybody was like, what the fuck? Because that was the one where I'll never forget Far Cry 3 where we are doing

Game of the Year discussions at IGN and Mitch was reviewing it. And Mitch brought us all in a room and showed us a little bit of. He's like, guys, this game is awesome. I know it's not out yet. We've got to vote before anything happens. But it's got It wasn't going to work out. He's like, you got to understand. And we're all like, whatever.

And we're all like, whatever. And we left. And then we all played it over a break. And we're like, we've made a huge mistake. That game is awesome. Why did we all not listen to Mitch? He was telling us that game was great. I'm like, why didn't you tell me I could just kill turtles and make wallets?

Like, I was all about it. 11 years ago on October 17, 2006, bully came out on PS2. Ah, yes, bully. What a great game. Another one that I miss, but I don't want to go back and play again. Yeah, it would be so hard. It's, well, it's, it's a PS4, or PS2, PS4 classic. But it's like, even going back with that control scheme.

Yeah, no, totally. That's the thing when you, every time they're like, I remember when GTA3 and Vice City dropped, and granted, granted, they've been put out a million times now. But when you got to, like, yeah, you're like, oh, my God, I can't use the, oh, I can't rotate the, oh, my God. Like, like, boy is in my head right now is this great game that was all, and I'm like, just leave it there.

Until they do an HD remaster from the ground out or, you know, a reboot, whatever. I'm not, I'm good. Yeah, that definitely is helpful. for a PS2 game. So luckily, 12 years ago on October 18,

2005, Shadow the Colosses came out on PS2. And I'll never need to play that one again because the new one's coming out and that'll fix the problems. And I'm so stoked for that. We'll see what a damn game.

It'll fix the guy. It'll better. I mean, last guardian didn't it. So we'll see what they do here. That's totally no. 12 years ago on October 18, 2005, Tony Hawk's American Wasteland came out on PS2.

The interesting one, because it was the last real core Tony Hawk game that had the same time. of progression system and all that. And it was also the first one to be cross-platform where it was also a launch title for the Xbox 360, which would come out about a month later,

which put me in a really weird spot. Because I was like, fuck, do I wait and get the next gen? Or do I fucking play it early? I played it early because that's how I'm. This is the first Tony Hawk game that had open worlds, where it was all one level, except it was really shitty because they just hid the loading times in the tunnels. Oh, I do remember that.

It was set in the 80s, in the 80s with all 80s soundtrack all in LA that sounds cool and it was cool but there was so much shit to hold it back and it was a already on the decline of Tony Hawking yeah it's like anything they were adding from a gameplay perspective was gimmicky bullshit that didn't make the game better um I feel like that stopped with four when they added like spine transfers and all that because that was helpful for the tony hawks underground out of getting off the board and that's when it was downhill from there um then eventually we fuck Tony Hawk downhill jam and that was horrible But then Tony Hawk ride brought it all back.

Brought it somewhere. And then 12 years ago on October 17, 2005, Fire Emblem Path of Radians came out on GameCube. My first Fire Emblem game, to this day, I think, the best Fire Amblin game. It's old, so I feel like Awakening in the 3DS games have fixed a lot of quality of life issues. But Path of Radiance, it's the one Ike's from, and it is such a great story, such a great game. Do you ever play it? I never did. Do you play any Fire Emblem?

You should play Fire Emblem. There's a million of them now. 16 years ago on October 16, 2001. Devil May Cry 1. Wow. He came out on PS2. God, I love that game. God, I love the atmosphere of it.

The boss fights were fucking great. So happy it wasn't a Resident Evil game because it almost was. And man, Ebony and Ivory. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know. Dante doing his thing.

He's just so fucking cool. Got his trench coat on the topic was cool. Everything about that game was fucking cool. Super cool. Did you play it at all? I played it for a while. Like my friend Adam, who was the one who was the one,

who waited in line for PlayStation 2 with me. I remember he got it and he was talking. I was like, all right, and I tried it. I was like, this ain't my kind of game. Oh, man. It was my time at game so much. And then when Ninja Guideon was coming on on Xbox, I was so stoked for that.

I was all about Ninja Guide. Although that was a hard-ass game. It was a hard-ass game. So fucking hard. As it should be. As the name should imply. Absolutely. And I brought this up earlier on the kind of funny

games daily show. But 15 years ago on October 16, 2002, Time Splitters 2 came out. on PS2 GameCube and Xbox. Man, what a damn game. Do you guys play TimeSplitters at all? A little bit here and there, but we were more in 64. Still a Golden Eye and all, or Perfect Dark and all that chest.

Well, I mean, this was after that. I know, but I'm saying like that was our thing of like, well, it's got four slots. We don't have to buy the adapter. We're all just going to play split screen down here. Because the first three time spliters, which I guess were all the time spliters. God, they were so good. Like one was a launch title for PS2? If not, first month?

I don't know Yeah no yeah I don't remember the exact It was a real early PS2 I didn't have one yet But I would go over to my friend's uncle's house And we would just play the shit out of it It's like this feels like golden eye

And it wasn't until years later I'm like oh it was made by the golden night guys Like this makes total sense To just opt the ante With the storyline was super fun Like the campaign moment was super fun So many characters And like the fun of odd job

Versus Jaws in GoldenE Which is like Let's just have some stupid shit With dumb game modes This game just was like Here's just that. You know, go for it. And then Future Perfect was awesome as well.

And then this one I have no care for, but I did own it. And I'm hoping you might. And somebody on Twitter hit me up, you better include this on the list. Damn. This is for you. 17 years ago on October 21st, 2000, Command and Conquer Red Alert 2 came out on PC. On PC now. Yeah.

It was one of those dork shit happening here. 18 years ago on October 18th, 1999, the most important video game to ever come out happened. Crash Team Racing on PlayStation 1, the best cart racer ever. And then on... What are you your odds at PSX this year? They announced that Sean Layton comes out and says that... Dude. There's a chance.

There is a chance. Yeah. It's either going to be the next crash Spyro remastered or Crash Team Racing something. I'm hoping to remaster from the ground up. And then 19 years ago on October 21st, 1998, the game no one really heard of called Metal Gear Solid

came out. four disc PlayStation on PlayStation one Jesus wasn't it wasn't just two four discs for metal again you're solid

I thought it was four maybe that was two yeah Final Fantasy was three five as seven that was much bigger maybe that's what I was thinking of I just remember multiple discs

yeah it's two for sure I see eight was four if I remember correctly and even some 360 games towards the end of the generation ended up being two discs and I was like

that started playing more PS3 stuff at that point because I just I can't fuck with this. I get them to put these discs in and out. Yeah, not about that life. 23 years ago, October 17, 994, Sonic and Knuckles came out on Genesis, which was essentially the second half of Sonic the Hedgehog 3.

23 years ago on October 20th, 1994, Final Fantasy 3 came out on the Super Nintendo, which is one of the best Final Fantasy aka Final Fantasy 6 in Japan. 25 years ago on October 21st, 1992, Super Mario Land, six golden coins, came out on Game Boy. One of the

most underrated Mario games, Mario platformer games of all time. Is that the first Super Mario Mario? Second one. It was Super Mario Land 2, six golden coins. Super Mario Land, not that good, the first one. It was what you'd think of

when you're like, oh, this is a Game Boy Mario game. Mario Land 2 was essentially like, no, this is a Mario game. It has its own feel, its own vibe to it, its own power-ups, like the bunny years, and all the different worlds you go to were super imaginative, and like, that was the one that was like,

toy base. and one where you go to the moon. It was awesome. And then... My first Mario game, you know, was on Game Boy. So it was in Mario Land. Yeah, but I don't remember which one it was. This one had War...

It was Wario's debut. He was the boss. No, maybe it was. I forget. I was a young kid. This one was fantastic. 26 years ago, Spider-Man came out on October 17, 91 on Genesis. Oh.

Oh, there is right there. I guess it were 90s, Spine. Yeah, that one. Okay, I played that one, too. But I got a soft spot in my whole... hard for that P.Eversoft one. Yeah, the never

soft one. Of course. And I didn't even put it on the list, but it was also this week that Enter Electro, the second. Oh, yeah, yeah. Came out.

Not so fun. It was that one. Yeah. Yeah. We'll stick with the first one. Yeah. But yeah, Spider-Man. I never played it.

Really? The Genesis one? Oh, my God. I played Maximus Carnage. And, uh, what was the Super Nintendo one that was Spider-Man? Was it Spider-Man and the... Spider-Man and the...

I was Sega Kids, whatever. I don't know. Dude, you missed out. That Spider-Man game was so fucking... Especially in 1991. Yeah. Yeah. It had so many cool mechanics to it of like you had to take pictures to get money so you could use it on a web fluid. He had the idle animate. You could crawl on the ceiling at any time and then he'd have the idle animation where he'd stand up and like cross his arms, but he's hanging upside down looking at you and shit. That's cool.

Had a gruesome fucking ending I could never beat as a kid, but like where you'd get to, you'd get to kingpin at the end or whatever. And the whole thing is that you get to kingpin at the end and you've got to fight him. And behind him, he's got Mary Jane tied up on a chain. And she's, like, slowly going down into either water or acid. It must have been water, because it was like, it wasn't until our face. And every time I would just not be able to get the boss pattern out as I'm a dumb kid. And, like, she'd go in and drown.

And Spider-Man would collapse to his knees and grab his head. And then it was just in. And I'm like, all right, well, fuck, we keep killing this. In the canon of Greg Miller's life. Yeah, yeah. Very Jade is dead. Yeah, exactly. I could never, ever, ever save her.

But it was so great. While we're on the Spider-Man topic, I am team white. spider. I love I think it looks great. Once I get the game and I'm playing it, I'll be fine with it. But it's not. It just doesn't know. God, that keeps coming next year. Holy shit. Maybe.

I feel confident. They say 2018. I feel very confident. Yeah. It probably will. They did say what, everything at E3. Everything at E3. That had a 2018 was the first after. I'm getting Spider-Man down. Go for it. And then finally, 32 years ago on October 18, 1925.

Super Mario Brothers 1 came out. on NES. A couple weeks ago we talked about the Japanese released date of it, but this is in America. So there. Yeah, remember you went back to your bedroom, you had to be there, you followed all the sinister sticks and stuff, just great stuff. Wow, that's a lot of shit for 1991

I really would love to go back and replay it. This is Japanese version because I just bought it in Japan. It does look like. This is my, like, you know, this is my touching dad's story. Like this one that's wrapped around, this one is Spider-Man. So like every time I should buy it again on PSP or just regular Genesis as well.

now it's time for a little bit of audience Q&A you're kind of funny dot com slash gamescast just like so many people did but before we do that you had a question that you wanted to you're a member of the audience yeah um I guess it's kind of a topic

um what I want out of PlayStation and Xbox I guess but it's not as big of a problem with Xbox because um we don't we don't both have Xboxes but we both have PlayStation's I want some kind of family share system where if you buy digital games and you are in the same house, you can both use those games.

Now, know what you're going to say. Switch the home consoles, make hers. Whoever's buying the thing, have the primary system be there. Because are you up on all this? No. So, like, I didn't ever think about this until Jen moved in as well. And we're like, we used two PS4s there where on my play. PlayStation 4 that I've deemed my primary PlayStation 4. You've done this?

Yes. Okay, cool. Because if you haven't ever done this, you're like, oh, I only use one PlayStation 4. It doesn't matter. Go into the settings, make it your primary PlayStation 4 so that if the power, or not the power, but the internet ever goes out, you can play all your games on there and not have to worry about having to refresh licenses. I digress.

One of the other powers of a primary PlayStation 4 is that it's my primary PlayStation 4, I buy 100 games. If you log into your account on that PS4, you can play all those games as well. Whereas if you were using my secondary PS4, I have those hundred games. You log in. Every one of them would have a little lock on it and say you can't use it. Primary for PlayStation 4 share a library on primary PS4s do not. Got it.

It's kind of complicated. And we went back and forth trying several different ways to get it to work better. It just doesn't. It works how it works. And it is what it is. But that way we can share games on different systems. But the problem when you do that is you don't get. some of the PlayStation Plus benefits.

You don't get the auto upload your saves. You don't get the like where you can go on your phone tell it a game you want. Tell it to download. It'll download your system because it's going to download to her system.

You only can communicate to one primary PlayStation 4. So what I want is somehow to be able if we're in the same house, same family to be able to have all my benefits, have two consoles, have a share. Have two primary PlayStation.

Yeah, because I don't, I don't want to buy two copies of every game. When I... Yeah, you don't want to support developers. You don't want to support the video game industry. You want the free ride. I get it. Excuse me, Miss.

Excuse me, miss. Of course, we support the developers. We don't buy used games, and we don't sell games back. Okay. Usually. And, um, but I just,

I want to have those features. because there's a, okay, there's a story to this. It's a little bit long-winded, and I'm sorry to ramble here. But we were playing Beyond. Beyond Two Souls. Yeah. Ellen Page's breakout game. Yes.

Where you play, if you don't know what Beyond is, you play as, I think Jody is her name, the girl. That sounds right. It's a J-name for sure. And then you have Iden, which is the spirit character that follows you around. and so we'd like to play a lot of games together we try to find co-op games and stuff that actually was a really fun one to play together

the game itself not great but playing together she plays Jody and I play Iden so if you're playing the game you normally you control both characters but you're supposed to be possessed or not possessed

but followed around by this spirit that you can't control it kind of does what it wants the cool thing about when we play it she literally could not control what I did yeah and we would be doing stuff and she'd be like hey slap them around a little bit and just kind of teach them less and be like okay I'll just go fucking start killing them she's like no no no it's not what I want I'm like I didn't I do what I want so um it was a fun game to play together but we went through the whole game we got to the very very I mean five minutes left in the game yeah the game crashes um which is not a big deal games

crash it happens and uh restarted the game went to load it, wouldn't load. What had happened was the game crashed while it was auto-saving. So, since we have our system set up the way we do, we had no save before that. Nothing we could reload because it didn't auto-upload. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And we try to do it like every couple days, we'll go and tell it to manually upload to the cloud, so we don't have stuff like this happened. But we hadn't done it with that game. so we had no save and it just I tried everything I deleted the game

I reinstalled and everything that sucks so I mean luckily we were at the very end so we just went on YouTube and watched the end of the game but still I mean those are features

those are PlayStation plus features that I would like to have and still continue to have our games in the same family household sure and I don't know why that's so difficult I swear Xbox had

something like that several years ago and I still Well, remember that was going to be Xbox One's whole thing, right? That it was going to be this bastion of entertainment. You could share your library with anybody and do all these different things inside of your account. I mean, the reason it doesn't work on PlayStation 4, the reason it is how it is on PlayStation 4 is that so many people abused it with PlayStation 3. Yeah, I know they did.

The open fucking game trading. That's like the completely opposite end of the expression. You want to talk about cracking the whip, right? Overcorrecting maybe. You just put some kind of, I mean, I know there's a way those consoles know your address or at least your IP address or where you are. Yeah. I feel like they could enable location.

Enable something in there where we're in the same. And even if I had to pay like two PlayStation Plus or like a super PlayStation Plus where it's like $120 or $150 or whatever, I would be fine with that. Yeah. If I could. How often does this rear its head for you guys? Okay. So in that particular case, that's the only time it happened where a game crash.

Oh, I don't even mean that. I just mean the fact that you both want to play the same game. using the primary system? It happens sometimes like if she's if she's already in the living room watching something and I want to play something in my room. Sure. That she bought.

Hold on. It's confusing. Now we need the string theory charts. White boards out here. I try to explain it. Yeah. So if it's something that she bought, I can't play it on my PlayStation.

Yeah. I think is how it goes. Okay. I'm telling you, it's confusing. We went through like an hour, hour and a half, Googling, trying to figure out some way to make it work better. Yeah. You're not alone in this. It's a complaint of here all the time from people about it. And it's one of those that I know for me is frustrating as well in terms, and not to the level it is for you. But it is that thing of like, I've definitely gone home and been like, fuck, I didn't upload the save from work or whatever. You know what I mean? There's no way for me to connect to this PlayStation to say, hey, upload the save.

Because if I try to connect to PlayStation, I'm going to connect to the one that's my primary, which is the one right in front of me at home. And even with Jen now, where it is that she's playing StarDue on my PlayStation, because she doesn't, hasn't bought it herself. There's the few times where it's been like, oh, okay, well, start downloading this for me because I can't get on that PlayStation and more to do. And if you have something that you pre-order, normally it's going to auto-download, you know, the day before, two days before. Yeah. And it doesn't do that. I got to remember if I pre-order something to go in, manually tell it the day before to start downloading on my PlayStation. Right.

Because I think it'll auto-download it. on hers because she's got her set because it's switched yeah okay okay very confusing yeah but this is just a police shoe hey moment yeah please sure hey let us let us have to be a family let us be a family a power shoe they just got engaged um

Nintendo does that sometimes with the it's multiplayer games like especially the portable ones where it's like you only need one cart to be able to play multiplayer or whatever but then they don't have any type of infrastructure with this that matters for saves or

yeah well that's just I mean don't even you start on Nintendo right because that's the same thing with them where it's just like can we please fucking transfer saves in profiles or whatever

like Jen wants to who's playing Star do and she would play it on Switch but she doesn't have a switch of her own she just has a profile on my switch so she's like I don't want to start on your switch

and then have you get to Mario and not be able to play and I can't save that over all your all your saved data is locked to that one thing is locked to the system I don't even know that the physical system

yeah yeah yeah you'd hope they'd fix that But it's also like a couple days ago I was looking into because every once in a while I start thinking about virtual console As you do as we all do. We're all human beings. But I was thinking about it. I was just like all right like obviously we're going to get some hints at the future when the online infrastructure like actually officially launches and they've pushed that they've punted it over to 2018. But I was looking. I was like it's been any update any news article or anything about like more information. It's like not still just 2018. That's the last I heard. Yeah. I'm like, oh, man. Because I feel like that will come with a fix there. Do you think they're going to fix the audio, like chat audio,

where you have to talk to someone through the phone. No. I think that's, but that's the thing is like once they launch their paid online service, I imagine a lot of these quality of life things will be part of that. You'd like to imagine they would be. You would, but I mean, I don't give them that.

I would like to imagine that's what happens as well. I'll believe it when I see it. I'll believe it when they're like, all right, now it's starting to start paying for this thing. We're like, this thing sucks, so how are you going to do it? You get a free game? I don't know. That's not enough.

No. Can I save? Can we transfer saves? Can we get profiles? Can we do this? Come on, man. I mean, I imagine that stuff's going to come. I think that the moment that they start asking for money for this shit, there has to be at

least some of those things. And I think if all of them will come to it's because, like, yeah, I think the majority people are like, yeah, I'm playing Splatoon 2 online for free. Would that many people play online if they had to pay for it? I don't think so. God, yeah. So,

next question comes from Christoph. Do you think Amy Hennig could return to Noddy Dog now that EA killed Visceral Games?

I thought about that too, but I don't know the full story of Well, nobody does. Well, yeah,

I guess no one is. Well, I mean, the people who know it aren't talking. Of why she left. It doesn't seem

like it was on the best of terms. Yeah, that was a giant her fluffle, right? But it, I mean,

I guess she could. I don't, I don't know. Where do you see Amy Heading ending up now? that's a great question that's a great question

it's hard to say because I like I said on games daily right like I don't I feel like it's gone one of two ways either it is that hey we're EA and guess what the future is in games of services

shared world shit this game isn't that we're going to go away from it sorry or it is hey guess what you guys missed a whole bunch of milestones this blah blah we're not going to do this anymore If it's the latter, then I feel, and I use that right, I was confused. Former is the first one, ladders, later one.

If it's the latter, I almost sounded somewhere for a second. Even though we'll never probably know that story, that story circulates in the industry, right? And then is there a chilling effect then of, even if it's not Amy's fault, you know what I mean? But like, the scuttle butt when she left there was like, you know, that there's been a disagreement. Of course, there's the infamous article that they got forced out. There was this that and the other. There's drama. And if there was drama here again on that.

level does that suddenly make a Ubisoft go does that you know I mean like it's that similar thing of when this all happened and she left naughty dog I remember talking with in column was always like she can just it's she can go wherever

a million people are knocking her door and granted I bet right now a million people are knocking on her door yeah but it's I don't think it's as similar to like Kajima like you know what I mean wherever do like if it was if it did go bad it clearly went awkward and naughty dog but if it went bad internally right

I guess that means like overall Sony in general, PlayStation in general, right? That's a no-go. So then it's like, Ubisoft. Ubisoft is still believes in single-player story games. Granted, they also believe in the open world. But like, hey, let's get her on board and let's do an Assassin's Creed. Hey, you want to come in and do this or work on that?

Jason Schreier tweeted out a couple hours ago, like right before I came on, because somebody asked him about the whole Amy Hinnick thing. He said, to clarify, um, the visceral. wasn't closed because Star Wars is a single player game or something like that. Okay. And then somebody said, well, why did EA word it like that? And then he responded, well, investors don't want to hear that the game is a hot mess or something like that.

So I feel like it is something more like they weren't meeting deadlines or milestones or whatever. And again, that's not necessarily on Amy her part of this equation. Obviously, you know how many teams make a video game. I'm not saying that. But that's the question of how does that shake out and where to do. you go and the fact of like what I've tweeted it yesterday over it's been six years since I've played a

Amy Heading game right now like that's fucking crazy you know what I mean and where that shakes out where that goes I don't know it's also you know I mean like where's her head at does she want to keep trying to do this like you know what I mean of like making these games like two major projects in a row that yeah did not work out I would think if you're doing AAA stuff you're gonna it's gonna be UiSoft I think it'd be a brilliant move of Xbox picked her up like hey we're Hey, I'm Phil Spencer.

We believe in gamers first. Amy Hendon makes games that are gamers first. We want that. We want an uncharted. We want a single player story. We want an exclusive that you want to buy an Xbox 1X for. Wow. That'd be an awesome get, but I don't know what studio you put her with or how that works.

But Xbox has plenty of studios to put people with. I'm sure. Yeah. Wow. That would be awesome. Adam Levine. What? But it's spelled L-L-L-E-V-E-E-E-E-1.

Y, I don't know. How long do you guys think it'll be before Sony attempts to break into games as a service market with the first party game? Another fascinating question. I, exactly. I would hesitate, my guess there would be that they don't with a current first party. I could see them trying to identify another third party. God damn it. Another, a third party studio to bring in as a first party, another purchase.

If they really wanted to, I don't know if they need to. they can just get an exclusive games of service on their own and do it that way. You figure my reasoning behind this, of course, is that what I think you see with Sony first parties is that we know you're good at this kind of game. You guys are motivated to make this kind of game, make that kind of game. And I don't think you see that from them. Sony, San Diego, right? Like, hey, we're the MLB, the show, people, we do this.

We're also going to incubate this stuff. Let's try to make some mobas. Let's try to make some free-to-play stuff. And they did. And none of them were a runaway success. and they all got, and the games went away, and the people got laid off. And I was like, ooh, that fucking sucks.

And it's like, all right, hey, we're Sony Santa Monica. We've been known for God of War, these great single player stories. Let's make God of War ascension, this multiplayer thing. Ooh, this didn't really work out that well. Like, let's go back to basics. Let's do this. Let's do a God of War story.

That's awesome. Bring back Corey. Okay, go do that. It's like, right now, I think what you would need to have is a first-party studio that has the passion to do it, and then also the technical know-how. And I don't think those are out there

And I don't think that's a bad thing I'm not saying that a Sony first party couldn't do it But they would run into so many problems Of trying to figure that out Even when you look at a game like Warhawk, right? And like that was a long, long time ago And it was awesome, but it was what? That was a partnership with

Eat Sleep Play, but were they Eat Sleep Play at the time? No, incognito, right? And was it incognito first party at the time? I'll get back to you on that one. Man, incognito, that was a long time ago. Warhol was a long time, yeah? Unless I'm totally wrong. Let's see.

Man, last of all the first of, I remember incognito wasn't around since the PS2 era. Did they do PS3 games? Well now you're making me doubt everything hold on, just hold on a second. Don't forget. Developers were incognito on that. Wow. Because that was still

Dylan Job and then Dylan Job left and did I'm really, this is information that he left and then did eat sleep play with Jaffe and then that's where they did Starhawk out of. Then Jeff he had already left her was about to, he left after Twist the Metal and then

Dylan left after that and went to the other thing It would make it mobile games Jaffe went off and did Detective Jones Detective Bartlett's Jones is The Bartlett Jones thing he's still doing now That made a drawn to death

Oh incognito was the first party I am rusty Well because they got incognito during the PS2 generation They made Twist the Middle Black They made War of the Monsters And then they made downhill domination Is that correct those are all PS2

Yeah, hold on, hold on Those are PS2 They did black Small brawl, black online War the Monsters Downhill Domination Head on, Calling All Cars, Warhawk Yeah, okay, cool

goddamn downhill domination was good God, I haven't thought about fucking closed first parties in forever But that's the thing It's just you need somebody who's like Dedicated and knows what they're doing And on it, right? Like even Warhawk which was

I think fucking awesome Was a different time Smaller game, smaller maps Fewer players They knew what they were doing, but for a games as service, hey, let's try to compete with destiny. Like that doesn't seem like going to be first party idea. What would be the value there? Now, the value is microtransactions and making the money off of all.

Owning my share. Yeah. All that constant stuff. So right now what Sony has going for is the fact that it has exclusive game, exclusive game, exclusive game coming out that are all of high quality and people really enjoy. And then they can kind of rely on the third parties for that holiday season. They can rely on the battlefronts and destiny and they keep making partnerships with destiny. I was going to say that they would be better off just trying to get more exclusive content for the third party games instead of trying to do it with a first party. Yeah.

But my thing is how much of that giant pie are they getting compared to how much they could get if they did their own. And I think that's the question that they need to answer. But I don't think that like to your point, I don't think that they can own enough of the market share for that to be. worth more than just partnering and taking a small piece of this giant pie. It's that thing of games take a long time to make. Of course, every game takes a long time to make. But you're taking, it's such a smaller gamble to say, make a god of war. And that's not even a great example.

Make a Detroit become human, right? And granted, not, like, it is, we had this whole argument on Kind of Funny Games Daily. Technically, that's a first party game now since it's being published. It's just a third party developer. I digress. Kind of funny games daily. It would be the thing that if Detroit comes out and that was a bad gamble, all right, no big deal.

You're talking about you're talking about years and years and years of development and alpha and beta testing the fucking systems of can we make these PlayStation 4s talk to each other the correct way to do this, to do that, to then build on a microtransaction system, to build on a story, to build on a gameplay,

to build on matchups and party modes. And then it's like... And then for years to support it and more stuff and keep it fresh and keep it relevant. Yeah, I mean, it's not apples to apples at all but I mean, look at MAG, right? which was just massive action game. Hey, we got the players out there, but like, okay, nobody wants to play this game or whatever.

And so you walk away from it where it's like if you've launched it as, hey, it's a game to service. It's going to be around for a decade. I don't think they want to take a gamble on a decade. How long did Mac last? I mean, it was a real question. Did Matt ever start? Yeah. Did it last?

Sure. Did it ever really start? Like, it was always like, oh, it's 128 people or whatever. Okay. Yeah. You're going to level up and take commands from other people. that's what I want to be doing. Yeah, that sounds.

I want the seven-year-old barking orders at me. Final question of the day comes from Faldees. Since by the time the next games cast releases, Mario Odyssey will be out. How would you rank the 3D Marios? How experienced are you in 3D Mario? I haven't had a Nintendo console in so long. I mean, Mario 64 is probably.

Okay. Wow. Are you familiar enough with the 3D Mars? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that's how close you are to Odyssey. Wow. I'm just refreshing my damn email.

Yeah, I know. We're looking for codes. That's what I was trying to get code. By the way, I don't know if you saw, though. I sent out codes for your GTA. So we're all set there. Already? Rockstar loves kind of funny.

That's awesome. How would I rank the 3D Marios? Now, let's put it out there. 3D Mario's? Give me one of your papers. I'm going to write down so I can, because I'm not, I want to get them all down. The 3D Marios include.

64. Sunshine. Um, Gala, oh, am I skip one? The one that you're just skipping, that I'm just going to say

for purpose of the conversation, but we're not going to rank because it doesn't matter. Super Mario 64 DS, which did add a lot of content and did change the game a lot, but at the end of the day, it is just like a remastered 64. So we can cut that one. Galaxy, Galaxy 2, 3D land

on the 3DS, 3D world. Oh. Okay. On Wii, you. Mm-hmm. So there you go. Are we, are Galaxy 1 and 2,

are we counting as different games? They're absolutely different games. Okay. And that's the thing is, like, those are the ones that are the hardest for me because they are both of such a high quality that it kind of gets hard for me to,

to rank where they go. But at the end of the day, when I ranking all of these next to each other, they're further apart from each other than I thought they were. Really? Yeah. Are we doing it at the time how we felt or how it would count now?

It's an overall. It's a, I mean, Like, yeah, yeah, it's like now. Rank them now. Because I, for me, it's easy. At the bottom of the list. And it gets harder as you go up. Sure.

I mean, Sunshine is the bottom. Six. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I agree with that. Having said that, I fucking love sunshine. I don't think there's a single game on this list. It's Delphino Plaza. Look at all these fucking multicolor poops that live on it and walk around and talk to you.

Now I'm going to fucking water canning. And there you go. Play the same fucking land forever. Welcome. Doong, doong, he's got the island soundtrack. Yeah, I'm on. Fuck this game. Sunshine is awesome.

Sunshine gets shot on so hard. And yeah, in comparison to the other games, it's nowhere close. But I still think that there's not a single 3D Mario game that's less than a 9 out of 10. So can I, this is my list. We agree here. I'm putting a check mark next to that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I'm going to do it out of order because I'm not as, I mean, I'm versed. I'm down for the conversation. At the top, for number one, I would put Galaxy 1. For the top of number one, I would put Galaxy 2. Okay. See, and I honestly, this is by fault.

I mean, I would tell you this, and I'd tell everybody this, and I think they know too. I would default to you being the expert here. And not that I'm saying my opinions don't count. Galaxy 1, I remember playing and being like, oh, great. Galaxy 2, I should remember being like, it's more Galaxy. And I don't think that's fair, but that's how I felt,

and that's what it was. Galaxy 2 is all the best, parts of Galaxy are expanded on. They cut a lot of the filler. They got rid of the stupid-ass common observatory and just got it straight to a go from level to level and it's an easy system to understand. There was all the Luigi Green Star stuff

was a lot of fun in Galaxy 2. There was a level of challenge in Galaxy 2 that Galaxy 1 never really hits. Yeah. That's why I think 2 is superior to 1. See, that's why, honestly, I feel like I've got to be fair and put Galaxy 2 at number 2. Because for me, I would have just put

the Galaxy 1 and 2 together as one game. because I'm a cheap bastard like that. And I do, but I can't tell them apart really. Yeah. Which is the big thing. I mean, I can tell them apart, I guess. You know what I mean? Yeah.

From there, I would say 64, but that's definitely rose-colored glasses of what I remember being a kid and how much I loved it. Like what it was on the N-64. If I'm talking about games today, I wouldn't. So my thing is, I would also put, I think 64 is number two. Okay. And I say that because, yeah, does 64 hold up as well as the other ones? No. however there are things about 64

like the hub specifically and the paintings and the way that things work and a lot of the challenges that I'm like this is unheard of and I don't think that anything's ever hit that level of imagination sense so I still give it to 64 okay

number three my number three or 64 what's your number three? My number three Super Mario 3D World damn right that's my number four really yeah I love world dude 3D world is so damn good especially once you get past the eight worlds and you get into the

the challenge level. See, I never got, did that. Like, my, my world experiences that we did a lot of less plays than streams and shit at IGAN with it. And I was always like, this is so much fun. This fixes my problem. It's new Super Mario Bros. I fucking hate playing with other people. And I know that's like, that's a, that is a

breakout game where people, you know, I'd go home to Chicago and like, they had my, you know, uh, cousins had a wee and they were playing with their kids and like, oh, they're in bubbles and it's so cute. I was always so frustrated of like running and jumping and then like stopping because like somebody back I was like, fuck this, you know what I mean?

But World, I thought, did a great job of letting us all play together. The crown in between levels where it's like, oh, I had the most coins or whatever the fuck it was. I was like, that's awesome. And then not to mention how great the levels were. Like, I'll never forget that one where you're playing and you're running and you go down the musical notes. And it like makes the song as you go. That's cool. And the levels where every time you jump, it flips the color of it.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was awesome. That debuted in land, but it was a lot more fun in the world because of the multiplayer factor. So when you're playing with other people and they jump. You have to time your things together. That was awesome. But to me, World, even as a single player game, there's something just about the obstacle,

core space shit of just get to the end that I love. And it was simple for a lot of the game, but once you get to the end game stuff, it was so rewarding, there's so much there. And I think 3D World will always get shot on in a way that is unfair because people treat it like, oh, it's not this open world of Sunshine or 64. Sure. And also it was on the Wii U.

but that is such a damn great game. And as we go down, so I'd say that galaxy, for me, I'd put Galaxy 2 or Galaxy 1. Okay. And then. Which if I'm being honest,

Galaxy and 3D world, I could probably see go either way. But I want to give the shout out to world that it deserves. Okay. And then you're putting land at 5. And I'm going to change that.

Land is the last one. Okay. Sunshine's better than land. Okay. At the time, land was so great and I loved it and I would say it was better than sunshine Sunshine yeah but then when we got world world makes land obsolete okay all right there's nothing land does better than world

okay so I don't know that both of those need to be higher than sunshine so yeah there we go so number six for me sunshine number six for Tim land number five for me land number five for Tim Sunshine number four for me world number four for Tim Galaxy oh the original number three me 64, number three for Tim world. Number two for me to, uh, wait what? Galaxy two? No, that doesn't make sense.

Oh yeah, no, that is correct. Sorry, I was gonna fuse. Number two for me is Galaxy 2. Number two for Tim is 64. Number one for me is Galaxy 1. Number one for Tim is Galaxy 2. You already wanna change it? I gotta switch world to Galaxy.

I can't be that guy. Galaxy and Galaxy 2 are both tens. World isn't a 10. All right. I didn't have a Nintendo for so long. I missed out on all this. The Switch brought me back into Nintendo.

Yeah, yeah, if they do virtual. And now you're about to get Odyssey. Man, I wonder where Odyssey's gonna fit on my list. It's an exciting time. It's a damn exciting time. Well, Devin, thank you very much for joining us. Thank you for having me. This has been a lot of fun.

Yeah. Now, Kevin, what I want you to do is put the fucking switch into the goddamn holder and give me the fucking pro control. It won't, we can't have it happen here. Why can't we? Because this sounds like a kind of funny world championship type thing. Well, one of us has to get the world championship.

It can be the number one contendership. No, Andy already said the world championship has to be just, here's what's happening. Here's what's happening, champ. Here's what's happening, champ. Bring your goddamn belt. What's happening champ is that Tim says, I've never beaten him in Mario Kart.

No, you never have. But it's because he's never played me because he's a coward. Now, you're pretty good at Mario Kart yourself. Oh, the belt is here. I'm the best. What I would... Then right now, just put it on the line. And this games cast would defend it.

Because I just want to end the games cast kicking Tim's teeth in the Mario Kart. But now you're here. You can play... We put the World Title in the line, huh? No, man. There's a lot of sanctions and stuff like that. We don't have a commissioner yet. I don't know if we can say that.

We have to tell the promoters and it's a... I mean, how quickly are people going to like... You can't. This is not how you do it, right? This is a real thing. Stop playing like it's a joke. Respect the game, Greg. You're the one who wanted to bring in the World

title, I just said be a fucking man and play me. Because this is what he did. And I said no. What he did is he said this, you can't just happen. And it sounds like a world title thing. I'm like, neither of us have the world title. I don't know. And he's like, it could be number one contender. And I'm like, you've already decided what number one contender is going to be. Unless when we get a commissioner tomorrow, we changed everything. Number two contender.

You're a cowardly lion. I'll take three, four, five, or six. It's a good looking belt. So glad I'm the camp. Ladies and gentlemen, until next time, I love you. Well, that was a fun episode. You can click here to subscribe to Kind of Funny games. You can click there to Subscribe to Kind of Funny.

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