Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Star Wars Jedi: Survivor Spoilercast - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Episode Date: May 4, 2023

Barrett and Greg get into every story beat, boss fight, and secret from Cal's latest story! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Kind of Funny Games cast. I'm one of your host, Greg Miller, alongside Sad Boy Barrett, aka CEO Jr. Barrett Courtney. Hello, Barrett. Hi, Greg. It's the first time I've been introduced as CEO's Jr. properly on a show. So thank you for that. It's about time you got. The recognition I deserve. Exactly. You know what I mean? You've earned that title.

You're ready, in the case I go down, you're ready to step up. I appreciate it. Of power of Mario Party, you know. Even though, again, that kind of funny podcast yesterday, Roger Anglin for your job dressing the way he dresses now. Yeah, I don't like that you were on Twitter this morning being like Roger for CEO without consulting me, CEO, Jr. about it all. Well, you know, I like to stoke the fires. If we're all friends around here, it's too boring.

You're just trying to fit the young bucks against each other so you can stay on top. Succession is ending. There needs to be a real. Watch episode three last night. What do you think? No spoilers. This is season one. This is season one episode three.

Okay, yeah, okay. Yeah, I started it when I was in L.A. to preview Star Wars Jedi Survivor, which we'll talk about more today because of all the hype surrounding it. So, yeah, episode three, fun time. Watch the thing that you referenced with the jerking off onto the window there. So, yeah, that was an interesting time. I'm glad you did the whole pantom for it, too. If you didn't know, ladies and gentlemen, this is the kind of funny games cast each and every week for sometimes two.

Best friends gather on this table to come talk about all the things they love and sometimes don't love in video games. Usually we have a whole crew. We just have a little bit of people here. This is where we do the reviews. This is where we do the previews and stuff like that. But today we're actually doing the Star Wars Jedi Survivor Spoiler cast. So if you have wandered in here, don't worry.

I'm not jumping right into spoilers. We are basically saying, hey, this is the episode for once you've beaten Star Wars Jedi Survivor. Come on back and you can listen to us talk about Cal's Adventure. We have so many questions from you. We have a bunch of people in the chat over here ready to go. Shout at the Jake Step. I just finished this game 15 minutes ago. that's how crazed he was for this sport.

I gotta finish it before I get in there. Shout out to Kevin who also like burned through it in the last couple of days just to be not spoiled while he directed this episode. BKD, I'm excited to get you. You're as fresh as the unplowed snow. You know what I mean? Pure as the undriven snow.

That's what I was looking for. I didn't get there in time. But I'll tell you what, we are going to plow you, Kevin. I want to know what you thought about this at a second, all right? But before then I will remind you that the Kind of Funny Games cast goes up each and every week

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I digress, though, no matter where you're getting the show. Thank you. Consider using the creator code, kind of funny on the Epic Game Store when you're checking out or when you're buying stuff in Fortnite, Rocket League, or whatever, on your consoles. Housekeeping for you. This episode, the spoiler cast for Survivor is going up on May 4th, Star Wars Day. May the Fourth be with you. That's not the only piece of Star Wars content going on. Oh, baby.

All right. Instead, the crazy, goofy stream team is doing a whole stream where they're playing Survivor, which is always fun to see Nick play a game and see him, especially as much as he loves cinema, react to these moments and stuff like that. But they describe the stream, which of course, by the time you see this will be happening, it'll be over for many of you. You'll be 30 minutes dead probably.

The time this episode pops, the Star Wars stream will be starting in half an hour. Right, because KFW is stuff like that. It doesn't matter. If you're not catching alive on Twitter or YouTube, it's up on YouTube. dot com slash kind of funny games and the way they've said it goes like this we also we have all sorts of fun surprises for you including andy juan canobi teaches nick the force and where in the world is kev2 d2 want to hear mike baca the truckie do his patented tahoe scream tune in to see the boys celebrate may the fourth and jett i the viver the thing i'm most excited to learn is what the

taho scream is which i can only imagine is just a really bad version of the chubot i don't think there is anything i think this was was Nick just sitting there trying to write a description? He came up with this. Believe it or not, these were all very thought-out things that we put together. I saw a test run of some kind for Kev 2D2 today. And I was like, that is guaranteed views right there. That is what the people will want to see. Of course, if you're checking in later, like I said, also on YouTube.com slash kind of funny games under our streams and live stuff we've done over there.

Thank you to our Patreon producer Delaney Twining. Today we're brought to you by Honey and Rocket Money. But we'll talk about that later for now. officially the gloves are off we are going and do full spoilers for star wars Jedi survivor this is your chance to lean over turn off the MP3 player you know take the bong out of your mouth and turn off the mp3 player is that how you bong I don't know sure beer bong it was a beer bong oh beer bong okay okay and now oh you took a what do you got so I wanted to start this off uh you know a little bit inspired by what we do

with in review, but mostly inspired... Put! Put! Put! Put! Mostly inspired by a recent podcast obsession of mine, a more civilized age, which is hosted by Rob Zakney, Austin Walker, Ali Akampora, and Natalie Watson, where they primarily as a podcast have been watching through the Clone Wars Star Wars show

and breaking down kind of arc by arc, you know, talking about this show in the greater context of where the political landscape was for Americans, at the time when the show was coming out, when the prequels were coming out. And for each episode where they primarily will cover like an arc of the show, they'll kind of start off with a kind of top-down overview, very quick kind of synopsis of what the arc was about.

And I think it's... And yeah, and I think it'll be a good way for kind of us to start off as well, just because I don't know how long it's been since you've rolled credits. Sure. I have a really bad time of even if I've played something two days ago in rolled credits, there's still so many details. What was that thing like? Yeah, exactly.

So I thought it would be... The way people talk about this game, trying not to spoil stuff, where it's just like, yeah, I'm at the Shattered Moon again. I'm like, you're there like 15 times. I don't know which time or something. And then like the kid who wrote in on games, you're like, somebody with a hammer just slammed.

I'm like, what the fuck you're talking about? So I thought I would start off with a quick synopser, overview of what the plot is. Our adventure begins five years after Fallen Order where Cal and BD1 are no longer running with the rest of the mantis. crew but now are taking jobs from Sauguerre to fight against the empire. During a job on Corrassan, Cal learns how much reach the empire truly has and has to face off against the

believed to be dead, ninth sister of the inquisitors. The job leaves Cal's rebel crew to be killed other than himself and the charming newbie hymnbo buff boy, Bodacuna. When Cal needs the mantis repaired after the job, he visits Grease Drydus on Cobo. During his time on Cobo, Cal on Earth's relics from the era of the High Republic, including a Jedi who turns Darkside named Daggan Gera, who is living proof that the rumored planet Tanelor is in fact

real and could be a safe haven from the Empire. We then kick off the true plot of this game, which is the race to Tanelor. The competitors, Dagan versus Cal, and versus the Empire a little bit, even though they are very unaware that they are playing. Cal, Beatty, Grease, and Bode meet up with the rest

of the old Mantis gang, Marin and Seer, and even assumed dead Jedi, Eno Cordova. Out of fucking nowhere. I was like, he's all alive? We'll talk about that. On Jeddah, to get help on reaching Tanalore. Sierra, Marin, and Cordova all see the planet as a possible new base for the hidden path. An underground group helping surviving Jedi slash force users find protection from the empire.

In the middle of all of this, Cal's personal journey sees him being challenged on whether or not the teachings of the Jedi are what he truly needs during this era under imperial rule. using blasters that were frowned upon by his master, and even embracing attachments in the form of starting a romantic relationship with goth icon Marin. During all of this as well, Cal looks for keys that will help him get past the Cobbo Abyss to Tannelor, bringing him to old High Republic ruins, a haunted moon, and an old separatist battleship where he and bowed have to rescue Z, a droid from the High Republic era who served the Jedi Order. Their journey comes to a head when all three factions, Cal and his team,

Dagan and the Bedlam Raiders, and the Empire, who are just kind of there and very clueless to the macuffin of this story, are all very close to finding the key to get them past the Kobo Abyss to Tannelor. Cal and Bode, aka Buff Solo, fight through repurpose battle droids and stormtroopers alike, until they face Dagon one last time, resulting in a very trippy force battle that ends with Dagan's death. The antagonist of the game is gone, but the vibes are immediately off. Cal has no more competition left to get to Tan Lord, but Boad questions if they should really use it as a base for the hidden path, fearing that the empire will inevitably find it, he would much rather have the planet personally to keep his loved ones safe, like his daughter. That then comes to a head when they return to the rest of the crew on Jeddah,

and Bode reveals himself to be eventually not right in this moment. We'll learn that he's an ISB undercover agent and a former Jedi. You're not the only one who survived. Yeah, oh yeah. Who runs away with the key to get to Tanelor after killing Cordova and tells the empire of the Hidden Path's base on Jedda. Cow runs after Bode but is knocked out after they fight and Bode gets away all while the base of the hidden path is bombarded by the empire,

resulting in a terrifying and epic battle between Sear and Darth Vader, which results in the death of Sier. We then see Cal Marin and Grease go on a chase for Bode to try and retrieve the key to Tannelor before Bode, uses it for his daughter and himself to never be seen nor heard from again. This leads them to a secret ISB base where Boat's daughter is living and after Cal meets her and again fails to capture Bode, battles with the dark side of the force in the form of using his slowed down force ability

to strengthen himself even more. Marin is concerned for Cal and he recognizes that it's not something he likes battling against. Boat and his daughter are long gone and all hope for Tannolora's loss, but Suntari Cree, a High Republic Jedi scientist, had one more secret way of getting to Tannelor that the crew discovers and makes their way to the safe haven. There, Marin and Cow battle Bode while trying not to kill him in an attempt to let Bode redeem himself for his daughter.

Bode refuses to let up in fear for her safety, which pushes Cal to use the dark side again, to fight back, and eventually strike down another Jedi who lost their way. The story ends with the Mantis crew semi-adopting Boat's daughter, holding a funeral for the fallen Jedi and looking towards an unsure path forward in hopes of still making Tanelor

a home for those who want a free life from the empire. Greg, I turn it to you now. I've just been talking a lot. Where do you want to start in breaking down Cal and Beatty's second big grand adventure? Where I honestly want to start

is with Big Cav Dog. You and I have beaten it. You and I were on the review. You and I gave it a... We both gave a five at a five, right? You get a five at a five? Do you ever have a... On the games cast, I gave it a four out of five.

Okay, okay. You standing by that? Are you coming up to the five out of five? I'm saying that the four out of five. Fair, fair, fair. Kevin, what did you think? I want a fresh take from you. Hey, Barrett's crazy.

This is a five out of five. That's my man. That's my man. What, deemee! Um, I, I, I love this game. I had such a good time. The Exploids, and the worlds that they put us in are incredible.

And I just kept getting lost in trying to figure out different paths of where I can go and finding little goodies. And it was just, it was so much fun. I think that unfortunately running this spoiler cast made it so that I definitely felt like I need to finish the game before. And that's kind of a bummer because like I want to say probably the last quarter, maybe a little. little less than that, maybe the last 20%, I was kind of just streamlining. Sure. But I had explored so much that I kind of already put myself in a good position where it's like one of the last things you have to do is climb this giant mountain, but I already done it

so I could just fast travel to it and keep the story going there. But I had so much fun. I love this game. I love the new stances that they introduced. Yeah. You were one of the few who I heard you liked the, the, the big boy, right? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, the heavy sword and the, um, the gun blaster were my, once I got them, I was like, I'm going to fully commit. And, uh, you get one, one chance to restructure everything for free, yeah. For free. And I, at that point, kind of had put it everywhere, but restructured it and just put it into those two. Nice. And like, I was, I was having such a good time with the, yeah.

Lighter writes in an ass, a two-parter. I, yeah, I, uh, I, uh, I, I, uh, I, I, uh, I, I, uh, I, I, Where I'll start is his second part, but what his question is that I think is relevant for us right now is what's everyone's favorite fighting stands. And for me, I talked a little bit about it in the review, but now that we're a little bit more,

you go into it, I, for a long time, was maining double blade, which I hate because I don't like the look of the double blade for cow, for my cow, that's just not what I want. But it was, I found giving me,

as I was easing back into combat, trying to get my sea legs again, and it gave me the best defense in the yada. But like I said in that, I eventually ran into, I could say it now, but it wasn't even like remarkable. It was, I guess maybe it was the first fight with,

um, big old hentine man and his regrown arms, um, where I was like, Ray is, right. I was like, this is taking too,

I'm, I'm not doing enough damage. I'm struggling and I don't think I should be. So I reset it all just a single lightsaber. And once I did that, I never looked back. And I just kept, I poured everything maxed out and had that.

And I've never, I never really used the other stances. Yeah, the, the, the blaster stance I, I liked and played with for a little bit. I liked the,

for the, for the, for the, Blaster and Lightaber combo, he kind of like makes it, uses the lightsaber

as like he's fencing a little bit, which I enjoyed. I did not like the, um, the, the, the heavy stance whatsoever.

I, like, they kind of have you go through a very short tutorial with it of like, hey, get used to it. Uh, but then once I was able to like,

kind of switch off to it, um, I, I, I think in the second half of the game is where I really found my footing of like what, uh, stances I like,

which was the dual wheeled, and then the double blade as well. Gotcha. Uh, because double blade I, I, I like for crowd control, and then dual-wheeled, I thought was a good kind of mix of, it felt good to play.

It felt, like I said, in my preview, very methodical. And I think it just gave just enough power over just like the single-saber that I liked a bit more than the single-saber. But yeah, that's mainly what I ran with. I feel like it's a boring answer, but, you know. Go ahead, Kevin. Well, I was just going to say that, like, I think that my, the heavy, lightsaber mixed with the gun, like, was, like, whenever I was with crowds, it did make the

gameplay difficult, because there is no good crowd control there, you know? Yeah. But, you know, I made it work. I, at that point, I had fully committed. I wasn't going to re, like, move around everything. So I was just like, it's fine. I'll just power through. And eventually, like, but I do think if I had switched to, like, one of the dual lightsabers

or the, you know, the double-sided lightsaber, that could have been easier. For sure. Yeah. But then it's that thing of like, you know, I feel like you grind for a while with one. You get really good. You get in a flow with it. Yeah. So like last night, you know, leading into this, I'm like, after Redfall reviews out of the way,

it was like, I'll switch back over to Star Wars. And I was like, you know, it falls an interesting place. This, we're recording this on Wednesday. I'm like, okay, cool. I only get one night with it, but I really want to try to platinum it before Zelda. What do I really need to knock out? And you're like, bounty hunters. I would do the bounty hunters if I were you.

Oh, yeah. We got to. We'll get into the spoiler part of that. But, like, just in general for what we're talking about, the stances, it felt so good to go back, like, against those guys of, like, right, I am good at this game. Because I kind of felt in the buildup to some of those bosses, like, again, on a time crunch, of trying to get to review of going through Vader, going to Bode, like, do I think. I'm like, I'm getting my head kicked in at times.

And it's like, granted, it's 1130. I'm exhausted. And I just want to get it done, but I'm worried about the review and yadda, yeah, like, just last night, you know, be going against, it's like, crowds and monsters. And I'm like, fuck you guys. I'm awesome. especially yeah like once you roll credits and then you get like the really souped up uh slowdown ability yeah yeah where everything turns red and cal like you don't even

really get access to any of the stances he's just using the single blade and he's just wailing on people yeah um and sorry go ahead did you guys use that a fair amount oh one not i mean now that i've been doing post credit stuff yeah 100% there are definitely some boss fights that you need to do uh to platinum it that it was just like there's a challenge room with like uh you know there's the legendary beasts, which is his own trophy, but then there's a force tear where you have to do, you have to fight three legendary beasts at once. And that was the one that I text to you of like,

I don't know if I could get this platinum because this is a really tough challenge room. But yeah, like, I did that before I got that ability. So I imagine like, if I had that ability, that would have been easy. And like fighting some of the dark trooper robot dudes, like definitely easy to take those.

Oh, yeah. I want to hang in a spot here, Kev, because you jumped in and said, did you guys use that a lot? I know you just beat it last night, right? Yep. So have you not found yourself? Did you use it then?

Or were like, oh, this is something I won't use? Or will- Well, I mean, I thought, like, my character probably wouldn't be leaning so hard into that. But because I was in a time crunch, I was like, eh, let's do it. For myself to jump off of that, I was using it a lot in the race of the platinum, essentially, because I was just like, I didn't need to get through this. But I will say for the story beat at the end, I was trying not to use it against. bode whatsoever because to me Cal isn't proud

that he's like letting this go and like letting this like wail on and then eventually you do there is a story moment where you have to use it again that says embrace the darkness which is really tragic and so yeah I try to in story moments

not use it because I feel like it's... Many people wrote in about this and so I'd like to get some of that going on all right. We're going to jump to Cameron Kennedy who wrote in and said how do y'all feel about the game hinting at Cal having some more darkness in him? It was interesting seeing that come through more in the gameplay by the end, with Cal's dark side version of the slow ability not being temporary.

But he doesn't seem to reflect on still leaning into that, and there's zero downside and using it. Cal has a bit of an aloy problem for me, where they're so laser-focused on a goal that we don't get enough of their personality really coming through, unlike the characters surrounding them. But this feels like a hint that there's much more going on. Assuming these are all very deliberate story choices, where do you think they're going with Cal as a character? Yeah, so it was this primarily when I talked about in our review where Fallen Order I felt like was so, like, almost too well written in case they didn't get greenlit for a sequel where it felt like one singular story.

If we never got another story with these characters, it still felt complete in a way. And I talked about in our review of the ending of this game, I was like, I need the sequel as soon as possible. because I do feel like that's purposely kind of left on finish of his battle with the dark side. Granted that after you roll credits the menus aren't red anymore, which I do think is a neat

little touch when you, like after he first uses it, like all the menus are red in the background. It's just like really, really cool. And one of the reasons I had a picture of my cow for the review, but it was a picture with the red background. I was like, I can't show this. And so yeah, that to me,

feels unfinished in his journey, but not so much so, like, the ending of Horizon Forbidden West, right? Where there's like, hey, here's this super weird sci-fi stuff that we're going to introduce in the last third, and it's going to be the sequel, whereas, like, I like that it feels unfinished here. It feels like the, I'm going to do some comparisons to empire, but like, take that, like, I'm not being like this is on the same level of empire or anything, but it feels like at the end of empire it feels like even though you know like it feels like a loss right and i i feel like with

cow having this unfinished journey with the dark side uh especially with how the first game ends to me at least him coming to terms with like dude you're just a you're a good person you don't need to like put all of this pressure on yourself um i like that it kind of feels like damn like i don't i don't know what what your uh journey ahead lies for you man and i'm like honestly scared for him a little bit this point and I'll be interested to see where that goes, especially, like, where he kind of reckons, but like has to also struggle with other Jedi teachings, right? I want to get to that. Let me bring in this Danny Berg thing and then comments on both Cameron and Danny.

Danny writes in and says, so what's the deal with the embrace the darkness mechanic? They kind of just make a big deal out of it in the imperial base, but then you kind of use it for the rest of the game with no consequences. There's even a line where Cal mentions, Sear says Jedi are always facing the dark side's influence. but there doesn't seem to be any consequence for Cal tapping in whenever he wants. I guess he could be reflecting on at the end, but a lot of the story elements in this game,

not just the darkness, sort of felt like they were putting it onto the inevitable sequel. Sorry, this seems negative, but I'm having a hard time finding positive things to say about the game's story. When we talked about the game in the review, on the top-level thing, you know, one of the main things we got hung up on here that we got hung up on, and the first one in a good way was customization,

what my Cal looks like, what my lightsaber is. all these different things. I think that all three of us kind of just talked about it, the embrace the darkness mechanic, right? And my thought was when I got it and the game ended, that they would have taken it away. Oh, they didn't take it away. Okay, well, I can switch it out.

Oh, I can't switch it out. It's just there. So every time I use it, I feel like I'm cheating. I feel like I'm taking the easy way out. And I think that's all deliberate. And I think that'll be a big part of what could be Cal story going forward where we pick up with Cal of again, you know, you and I talked about this early on when we were both still playing it, you know, not early on, I guess late, but before we finished it, of, you know,

the conversation with Marin and being like, you know what, they didn't get it all right. The Jedi's didn't get everything right. I can have love. I can have attachment. You can go into this, right? And I think as you start to battle with that, if you're going to give up some things, are you going to give up on this other thing? You know, you're going to take the easy way, even though it is, you know, definitively the dark side. And I think the fact that we have to, you, we keep using it. It's there. It's like, well, it's there.

I'm going to use it. I feel like it's such a thing Cal would be like, well, I have, that's just how it is now. It's how I've tagged. And I think maybe the, where we go with Cal in the future might be finding further balance in all of that. I think a lot of this game, not entirely with where he's at with the force and with the Jedi, but a lot of this game is kind of Cal finding balance in the universe

living under imperial rule, right? We'll talk about them a little bit deeper, but I really like, at least on paper, I think there's definitely some failing with one of these characters. Degangara and Bocuna, I think are both really great foils for Cal in his journey here at the very beginning of the game, right? Cal's talking with Greece, he's like,

you know, we just learned how much reach the empire has, and yeah, I've been working with Saaguerrera, And I feel like I've accomplished nothing and he's exhausted. And he's trying to come to terms with like maybe this, like, what do I keep doing if I'm not going to be able to help topple this thing? And I love with Dagon, it's, he is a man too dedicated to the cause that he loses himself. He sacrifices others that he is close to. You see like a force echo memories of him just straight up killing other Jedi from the upper high republic. all for this idea of the greater good,

or at least his vision of the greater good, which is using Tanlora as this future base to raise the next generation of Jedi. And then you have Bodakuna, I think, a man who's so willing to only fight for his loved ones, being able to risk the idea of the greater good. And I think Cal's struggle,

not fully related to the force, but just his place in all of this in the era of the empire is finding the balance there of fighting for the cause but in a smaller community-based way prioritizing protecting others rather than just constantly trying to fight

against the empire while moving past the pure Jedi way and embracing attachments, battling and connecting with the dark side, and then possibly coming to terms with the Jedi, not getting everything right, and especially since with both of these characters,

Bode and Dagon, Cal may be having to come with the terms that, like, the Jedi as an entity might not have been great because they were the cause of both of our antagonists of the game and what led them down their dark pass. The Jedi falling during Revenge of the Sith is what led Bode to, you know, be this, like, weird undercover spy during the Clone Wars and then, like, gave him the tool set to kind of just exist and survive and be low key and then use that for the ISB. and then, yeah, and then Dagan with like the complacency that he had to deal with in the High Republic era

and maybe Cal having to come to terms with that. I think that's a little bit more of the subtext of the game. I would have liked it to be a little bit more up front, especially on the side of Dagon. But hopefully that is like more of a setup of other characters that Cal can meet in a future game and kind of coming more to terms with, how do you find balance?

We've seen it with other surviving Jedi, Canaan Jars from Star Wars Rebels and other characters of what does a good person who used to be part of the Jedi order, how do they exist in this time? And I really liked that stuff. And yeah, sorry, I went on a really long rant. That's why people show up. They want to know what you're thinking and stuff. And I think that's one of the ones to jump off of right is the Dandemol 96 writes. And it says, how do you see Cal's story ending? I can talk about where I think the next game picks up

I think the next game picks up with him a bit lost and probably going more and more throughout the game to the dark side and I think then Marin brings him back alongside Boad's daughter who I'm sure will be basically his adoptive daughter by the time we get there because yeah that's the kind of the last thing like Sears' last message to Cal at the very end of the game is like guide her through the darkness so yeah yeah yeah

do you think she's force sensitive you think that's the word we're going with that too. I don't know, but I think that was more of just like, hey, she's part of your community now and she's going to be in a dark place, very similar to where you and Marin were as children. And that's something that they are trying to kind of figure out as well on their way to bow. They're like, yeah, we got to kill them, but like, you know, the people who protected us when we were kids also died and then we were also alone. That'd be an interesting way to take it. I think, yeah, I'm not entirely sure, but, you know, you know, I'm not entirely sure, Yeah, I think there's definitely a lot there for Cal,

more future foils for Cal and him struggling with the Dark and Light side. We talked about, I think, on a Games Daily Post show, I think it would be really cool. And I doubt that they'll actually do this. But someone asks of, like, how would you bring back Star Killer into Canon? Oh, my God. Star Killer, someone who kind of primarily starts on the... Having your mics open, whatever you're doing there we can hear.

Oh, sorry about that. Star Killer in the Force Unleash games starts off. Sam Whitwer, what up? Yeah, primarily a dark side force user. And then also has like the inverse of like struggling with the light side and then eventually turning into light side. I think that would be a, even if it's not Star Killer, but someone similar to that, I think would be like a really cool mirror for Cal in the future.

What if you thought? What if it went the other way, right? I could see that be of like we open up Cal's, again, you know, however many years have past he's gone more and more to the thing. We play as cow. We're super powerful. We make that choice. We do the thing, whatever. You know, McGuffin, blah, blah, blah. We hurt Marin, we kill Marin, whatever,

through our actions. And then we actually pick up at the, you know... He's doing the Anakin Skywalker thing. Kada, right? Like, she has to... She is force sensitive. She escapes or stops him long enough to do whatever she does. And then the game picks up, you know, for the rest of it, probably the, you know, what... I would say probably three-fourths of it, right?

We pick up as her now, and it's her story, and we are learning the things to go stop him. me out too much. I don't want to see that for Cal. I love my... Is it Star Wars a giant bummer though? You know what I mean? It is. And that's another thing too of like what could be set up for the sequel is a, you know, something that's introduced in this game. And I forget

where else it's talked about outside of the Obi-1 Canobi show of the Hidden Path, which at least for me, that was like my first big entry point of this kind of underground group of people who are helping force sensitive people kind of

find a new home hidden from the empire. So I thought that was like a cool little tie-in to that. And my question is like all right, if Tanelor is like the base for the hidden path moving forward, like what happens there in like a lore sense and a story sense? Cameron Kennedy

writes and it says the recently announced movie about Ray trying to rebuild the Jedi odor is set 15 years after Rise of the Skywalker putting it around 59 years after Survivor. This movie will release almost certainly years before a third Jedi game and Cal would be in his 80s so this doesn't feel like any sort of

crossover point. It's always technically possible during the events of all these movies and shows and everything we've seen in the time gap that Tannelor has had a thriving population. But let's be real. Tanneler was kind of fucked, right? Yeah. Where are they going with this? By the nature of this being a prequel series, has this always been a story setting up Cal for failure? What is research upon trying to be. You know, it would be a very interesting thing to go with is like, what if, you know, they, they say, succeed with getting everybody to Tanelor. You know, Grease opens up another bar there. My boy Turgle finds another shell up there. All that stuff. And, you know, they do a little bit of like, hey, like we have some other Jedi here.

We're training a little bit. And then once they feel safe enough to go out and explore and see what's up with the Empire, it's already been done. It's after the fall of the empire. They come out and they're like, oh, shit. You guys did this about us? And I want, and that's a very interesting thing. And that's something that like other Jedi

have had to kind of struggle with in other shows, similar to like Asoka and other kind of younger Jedi who were kind of in like very early developmental days kind of thrust into this war and being generals of like thousands of clone troopers and all this stuff and then coming to terms with like after this war of like who are you now? Like what does it actually mean to be a Jedi in a time of not complete peace

but not in a time of a complete all-out war? And I wonder if that's another. interesting aspect of, you know, Cow's gearing up to fight and they leave Tanlorn. It's like, Luke already killed the emperor. Darth Vader is no longer here. The remnants of the empire being cleaned up. What does that mean for Cal who's only really known kind of like a time of war and then a time of secrecy of like what like existing in that era of like the new republic and all that stuff? I think that could be something interesting. But yeah, I don't know where they go. I really hope it doesn't end in devastation where, you know,

Empire gets through and just blow it up or some shit. But knowing that it doesn't really cross paths in a major way in the original trilogy, or we don't really hear about it at least in like the sequel trilogy or anything, it'll be interesting to see how they put it in like the weird jigsaw puzzle that is Star Wars. Yeah, it's always such a weird one, right? Because the galaxy is so big that you could always give it plausible thaniability that yeah, these Jedi were operating in this little thing over here, right? And it wasn't a big deal.

Or there's like a different entity. that they have to then take care of. You know, like, there's so much wild space that has been unexplored, and I know that's another different concept. Wild space is essentially where Thron came from. He was not part of the Galactic Republic all the time. He kind of, like, found his way to the Galactic Republic,

and I think it was the empire by that time. I forget the timeline's a little fuzzy on that end. But maybe there's a different entity that they have to, like, figure out and fight against. and that takes them away from the whole Galactic Republic, New Republic Empire stuff. We'll have to wait and see everybody. We'll have to wait and see.

One of the things I wanted to do was, you know, in the review, I had mentioned this moment that I put, I was late to the meeting with Tim, I put down the controller. Many people have guessed it correctly after playing the game. But Lider Wrightson says, what was the big moment Greg was talking about in the review?

The moment he said made him late to a meeting and was such a big and fun gameplay moment that he would remember it forever. Thanks for all you do. That was a cat. with the help of Marin escaping from the big old drill, right? Yeah.

Where you're... If you're in the live chat or if you're watching later, can you please leave a comment? I swear we've seen this big weird drill before and I can't... In another game or in Star Wars? In another Star Wars thing.

And I can't for the life of me figure out what we've seen this before, whether it's the Clone Wars show, maybe Bad Batch, I don't know. I was trying to search it and I'm trying to like Star Wars mining drill. I'm not getting anything. So please,

let me know because it looked familiar as hell. Yeah, for me, hold on. When Wars, those drills attack Camino. Oh. There you go. Thank you very much, Tyler, for being in the live chat and setting us straight on that. Yeah, for me, it was just the best, like, build up to it and then it happened. You didn't know what's happening, right?

Because Cal and Marin are walking, they're having it. She's like, you can't? You can't? He's like, not yet. And I didn't even think, oh, we'll be getting a cool dash. So we'll do something like that. And then, you know, to build, and then, you know, the kiss or whatever. And do you trust me?

and then to be off to the races, this music, this drill, it's smashing, it's cut scenes into playing, into this new mechanic, into warping, and you're falling, but you're flying, and it was like such a, like, this is fucking incredible. It was such a perfect melding of everything

that is this game. I talked about it in the review. There were moments that felt like, you know, part of the uncharted kind of aspirations that they have from the first game. Yep, yep, yep, yeah. It was a moment like this that it felt fully realized. 100%.

And I think this sequence was, better than anything Uncharted. Like I mean, I've had a lot of great uncharted moments don't even wrong of the house falling and toppling and the Jeep and yet, yeah, yeah. I'm not saying it uncharted shit. I'm just saying this was like slack jawed playing it.

And again, playing it, not just watching it. I think this could have just been a cut scene. It could have been a couple things, but it was like actually going through and doing it and having it catch me off guard. Like, that's what I, you know, love about this series, now that it's two games, right,

is the things that catch me off guard, right? At the end of Fallen Order when Vader showed up I had long since been like Oh, Vader's not gonna They're doing We have enough inquisitors They're doing their own thing They're not gonna bring it back to something

Like Joe Schmoe mainstream Star Wars guy Like me would know And then when she gets your And I was like This is the coolest shit ever Right? And so even this time around Where I was like

I wonder if we'll see Vader I'm like Eh It wouldn't make sense for this nest And then like the fucking introduction Of Vader in this for Seer Like oh my god BD won't take this and get out of here

You know I mean go You have to promise me you'll go To bring it back to the Marin and Cal Smoozy Smooch moment. Smooch, smooch! Yeah, how'd you feel about that? I'm very interested.

I loved it. You know what I mean? Like, again, as somebody who is a Star Wars outsider, somebody who, you know, just watches the films or whatever and the show here or there or whatever, and like, you know, Poe was obsessed when we were growing up. Like, for what I am to comics and Superman, like he was for that. We'd have these things, I'm just like,

but why can't they fuck? Like, that sounds stupid. That's a dumb rule. I mean, maybe they can fuck, but they just can't be attached. They can't have their attachment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I don't know.

So it's like, you know, I find that so interesting about what they're doing with Cal, right? Where it's like, you know what, let's have this character who's existing outside of the traditional order and we can have these different, set them up in these different situations to actually play off of things we already know but don't know. And how would you feel if the order was dead?

Everybody's gone. You're doing this thing. You know, I mean, like even the hidden path, right, isn't the same thing. And it's like, I thought it was a great. real thing. I don't take offense to it, but I do rebuff the, oh, he's like Eloy. I don't think he's like Aloy at all. I think the first game is very much a shell-shocked, young boy, who's then cast into having to be

a survivor, not even though I'm going to say it as much as they do in this game, but also cast to be like the leader of this next generation of Jedi. Right, yeah, all that pressure, you don't know what's going on anywhere else. You don't know what's having the forced users. Like, I thought they did a good job of giving him that big, like, I'm thrust into this thing in Fallen Order and, uh, fuck, I have to do this, I have to, and I think that's why the journey to making your lightsaber and walking out of that cave and being like, I am a fucking Jedi was so powerful. And I think again, it's why it's so powerful here of, I've, I've been, you know, geez, gris, we've been doing this and I feel

like I'm not doing anything. You know, the crew I was just running with was all murdered. I only got bowed as a friend. I'm exhausted. And I just met up like hours ago. Yeah. To like line up and have, okay, cool, I'm going to have this honest moment. And like, as happy as I was to see Merritt again, right like i think again going through in the way the game does the whole let's get the band back together thing i thought was really well done and it was done in a way that i was like you know what not that i forgot but i think you know for since 2019 the fallen order i is you assume me going greasy money baby like you know what i mean

kind of forget why did i love oh yeah when they did that that was great uh when they why did i love greeze and like why do i see i remember seer but like well and he's like oh you get back in the flow of this like yeah what's going on with so to see mirror to be excited for her to see her open up and the way her relationship has evolved with Grease. Like I thought that was all really well done. And so yeah, I want him to find love. I, you know, I always got, my parents used to always not make fun of me, but like, you know, give me a hard time and still talk about it. Like, oh, when you had an action figure, you always wanted them to have a significant other. You always wanted them to, you know, Superman had

Wonder Woman. You know, you wanted a Janine figure for Ghostbusters. Like, it was like, yeah, like I want to see people happy. So I like, I, I, the problem with this, especially if you're dealing with the trilogy is to set them up for happiness now. means we will not be happy with that next game. I'm sure. There's an interesting little conversation that they have post credits. If you're just traveling around, you can just randomly talk to the group. Soon after the credits roll and, yeah, Cal.

We can't go back to what we were before. Yeah, I don't want to go back to what we were before. And Amerin also is like, yeah, I don't think I can do that either. For me, I really liked it in the moment and I like seeing them together, I think. And there's going to be a similar kind of story with a lot of the stuff in the second half the game. I wish it was built up to a little bit more for that moment that left me, like after the moment happens and you can go through the whole gameplay sequence and then

I have like a moment to breathe. I'm like, I feel like I could have gotten more of Marin's side of building up to that kiss with cow. We get a little bit of it where like they had to find shelter from the sandstorm and, you know, they're getting all cuddly and she's kind of paying attention to him while he's having nightmares. Yeah, she comforts him. But then, you know, you have that, but then you leave marriage for like five hours,

and then you come back and then that moment happens, and it felt like a little bit of like, oh, which I kind of like narratively, right? Because it is that idea of they see each other again and they're separated again. And she has time to wrestle with it off camera. Like we don't get her side like you're saying. But it is that thing like, fuck, I missed him. I don't want to miss my shot. Yeah.

And I like that we do get to see. And there's like the weird thing where it's a video game, you have to, especially like in a typical way of telling a story. through a video game, you can really usually only do it through one character. But I like in the aftermath of it, it's not like after they kiss, like, oh, we figured it out, we're boyfriend, girlfriend, girlfriends. It's something he has to wrestle with, and

like, they don't have a conversation about it until the night before the empire comes to take down the hidden path. And so, I like that he has that, like, yeah, I've been thinking about this and having to internalize that. Which I did like, I liked that it wasn't just like an unspoken thing

for the rest of the game. I also liked that, you know, he, it's the nice little call back to a New Hope where he asks for luck and she knows, no, she goes, no, for me, uh, especially in that moment where it's like, we're about to do some crazy shit. Who knows if we're going to make it out alive here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I enjoyed too, like, you know, uh, getting then from Bode like, you know, him giving her, giving Cal shit about it ride of like, she likes you, you know, like, oh, she's not just here because X, Y, and Z. Like, you know, be your bro about it or whatever. And it's really messed up. There's the Bode Akuna uh, force echoes that you can collect after.

credit. So many. So many. I have not found all of them, which is, uh, I'm, I'm starting to wonder if, uh, where those last few are. But, uh, there's one that you find where he puts together of like, they've got that last night. They've got that, some romantic feelings. Maybe I can exploit that. Yeah, he's like, he's something like, I'm so stupid, like love. That's what I'll, I'll, yeah. Yeah. He had to do it for his daughter. Uh, I also, you all fucking love Joel so much. You must love boat. Yeah. Uh, and it was the other thing, um, right before. Um, right before. for the big kiss moment. I love it, especially because Cal is always trying to save everybody.

Where the hidden path member is crushed. And he tries to use the force to lift him up. And Marin's like, Cal, he's gone. Get out of here. Like, we got to protect what we can right now. Yeah. And there's a couple moments like that. Like the Sierra also tells Cal if like, hey, this has already happened.

It's like, can't fix it already. You mentioned earlier when we were going in there, you like to doc. I always want to say Dagan, of course, because we, I only know one other person who spells her name like this is Colin's brother Dagan. But what is it? Dogging, Dogging, Doggin. Dogging. I think.

Whatever. But you mentioned, you know, you liked both him and Boda, obviously, being the antagonist and stuff like there. Parks writes in, of course, just like you could have and still can for other shows, kind of funny.com slash gamescast and says, at what point during the gameplay did you realize Dagen Garra wasn't the final boss? I had beaten them, was back on the archive on Jedda and had this pit in my stomach something was about to go horribly wrong.

Immediately. That's why I wrote in my recap of like, Dagon's gone, but the vibes are immediately off. And because of that boss fight, I had texted you right when I got to it, because at that point you were a little bit ahead of me, and I was like, my theory is that because Dagan is using weird force, like,

stuff to kind of warp what people are seeing, my theory was that he actually had us kill Bode, and he was disguising himself as Bode to still get to Tantilor. Yeah. Because he recognized. I totally blew it for you because I was like, yeah, I thought about that too. I'm right.

I'm on boat's tail right now. Like, thinking like you were like further than you were. Yeah, we're about to fight. I'm like, ooh, okay, sorry, oops. And so, yeah, I knew that like, okay, the story isn't over here because this feels like a, or tooth that like even with him dead. I was like, there's still so much story left that needs to be told here. Well, that was my thing, right, where it's like, you know, when did you know? I knew once we murdered him, of course, but it was like the idea that I, I've talked about.

it on Greg away of, you know, when I thought I had a game breaking bug, but it turned out it wasn't, but I was frustrated. It was right outside the fight with him. And it was like, okay, you know, you're trying to get up here and, you know, it boads like, all right, we're going to get up there and that's going to be fucking, we gotta go. I'm like, yeah, I'm ready to go. But I remember on the buildup to it said, like, get up there and confront

doggen. And I was like, I already confronted them once. This is lame that they're going to have me do it again. Twice at that point. And that was the interesting thing too, where it felt like I wasn't near the end of the game. And it definitely felt like they were pacing dagging out the same way

that they paced out the second sister in the first game where it's like you fight you fight them essentially at the very beginning of the game you fight them a second time and they're a little bit more beefed up and then you fight it like you fight them a second time to show how much you've grown as a player in Cal's abilities and then you fight him a third time to fully take them

out and I was like when we got to that third fight I was like we're here already when it popped off I was like all right cool somebody's gonna stop me something's gonna happen and so like when you fucking kill him I was like what though and I like I was very cognizant of how much story I had left.

This was in the run-up to review and the embargo. So I was checking trophies and I knew that I had, you know, three hidden ones still or whatever it was for and one of them was like, complete the game. So like, I killed him. I'm like, well, this can't be it. And you went back and you're talking about vibes being off. I was like, oh no. They're all doing the victory lap shit.

And I'm like, I, like, to the credit, like I didn't know what was going on. Nate says, did you all see the bode reveal coming? I thought something was definitely fishy with him, but I didn't anticipate the betrayal, much less the force sensitivity. Right after you killed Dagan and he's like, do you really want to use

Tannelor for the hidden path, dude? Like, come on, bro. And then he's like, I'm going to stay behind. You go ahead. I'm immediately like, again, in that moment, I think he's dogging, pretending to be bowed. But still, I was like,

fucking Christ, man. This is going to be rough. Yeah, I knew something was wrong. Obviously, when we killed him, and I knew there was more game, but I got back there and we were all being, it was way too happy in ending. And I was like, uh-oh.

And I didn't see dogging happen. And then what I really didn't see was a force sensitivity. Where it was that you started fighting him and your, first off, what I don't we haven't talked about it because of spoilers but like another incredible mix of cinematic gameplay where it was like I had you're getting on the speeder earlier I had started I forget what happened I was like exploring looking for shit and I was like this is really cool and I'm like I can't get on him whatever so that you go and then it's like the fucking fight and you're running you're doing your scene and I was like this is incredibly awesome but eventually when you got to where you caught up to him and he's on the jetpack and you're brawling in the air with him I'm like this is cool but like I feel like I feel like I feel like I should rip his face off or whatever.

Yeah. It's like when it lands and he goes, and he's like, you're not the only one to survive. I was like, oh my God, that's awesome. Because it was like, okay, sure, Boad's a bad guy. I can see that,

but I didn't see that part coming of being a Sith. Yeah. Is he technically a Sith? He's a bad Jedi, but he's, he had the Red Sabre, but he wasn't like all like.

Yeah, he's a Jedi who's also, you know. Does that make you a Sith or do you have to like swear to the Sith? Yeah, you got to, the Sith are like, you got to like come through us if you want to really be a Sith. it seems like he's more of a dark Jedi type of vibe.

And he's just someone who's trying to exist. Because he's not even really loyal to the... Anybody. ISB or Vader or anybody. He's really just trying to look out for number one. And so I feel like he's just... At this point, he's not even Jedi or Sith. He's just like, at this point a forced user, you know?

Which I did really enjoy because, again, it kind of called back to a little bit of Malacos from the first game who landed on Dothamere and kind of was like one of the big bads, but not the big, big bad, but was, I think, a better foil for Cal in many ways of like, it just happened to be on the planet they landed on that kind of led them down the path that they did during the time of the empire. There's a conversation going on over here. Cameron Kennedy says the Red Sabre he was Dagenz he think, is that right? I thought that was.

Oh, sorry. Yeah, no. So he did yank it off him at one point, didn't. So when he tells Cal, go on ahead, he's taking Dagon's lightsaber. That's one of the four-second locations. You go back there, and he's like, I'm taking this thing. So that's, yeah, that's Dagan's more sense. Because I was like, oh, he bled his saber and did all the stuff.

And yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, interesting. So I appreciate that. So were you, you said you liked Dagon as an antagonist and we like Boda as an on paper. That's my thing, where it's like I, when I beat Dagan and it was done there, and I was in Revis before that it was like oh this is weird and it was that like where are we going now what are we doing I I think yeah I think where the game fails and this is kind of the structuring of the first half of the game which is why I think like I would also rate fall in order of four out of five great but for different reasons sure and I think you know you have the Dagon fighting him three times very similar to the second sister you barely see the second sister throughout the first game but when they bring her in. It's always for a big story beat. You know, like her finding Cal on Braca and then the second time, it's her revealing that she's Sears, uh, former Adelon. And then the

third time it's to get the holocron, but then also her kind of realizing how far down she's fallen down this darkness and is telling Sear and Cal avenge us, right? And that's like her big like kind of not full redemption, but just like an acknowledgement of how much she's lost yourself. Whereas I don't think we get that powerful kind of thing with Dagon, especially in like the second time that we, second and third time that we see him, really.

I think it's a powerful first time that we meet him. Sure. Him coming out. Like, it's been hundreds of years. Technically, it's been probably moments for him, right? Where he's pissed.

Yeah, he just feels what has happened to him. Yeah. And immediately bleeds his lightsaber, which in the moment first time playing. like this is weird but then when you kind of see his full story where you're going out to the high republic ruins and seeing like how much he's lashing out against the the Jedi or i was like okay like in full context that makes a little bit more sense um and so yeah i just i don't think they do

a strong enough thing for him in his second and third encounter to really make it like meaningful like even malo yeah he was cool and even malacose in the first game right you technically only meet three times but two of them are just like really quick encounters. And then the third time is when you fight Malacose and he reveals like, I'm a fucking sick ass Jedi and we're going to fight and all this stuff. But they felt significant enough to kind of reflect on Cal of where he's at. And they kind of do a little bit of like telling us that like Cal sees himself in Dagan,

but I just don't think they fully sold that in any like substantial way, which was a little bit disappointing for me. And I wanted to leave this game being like, all right, I'm fully sold on the High Republic stuff. I got to start reading these books and these comics. I just, I didn't. You know, it was like a cool, again, on paper. And I think there's some ways that they succeeded with, you know, having Dagan reflects where Cal is at of being an extreme, you know, being fully for this cause, no matter what kind of thing. And Cal having to reflect that on himself. But in terms of Dagan as a character in and of himself, I feel like it was a lot of shortcomings there. Yeah, it was, I thought he was one note. You know what I know. I mean, even going back and the echoes and seeing what was, I'm like, okay, I get it. But it was like, but then the fact that he's not even really the, I guess he is, but he isn't the big bad guy, right? Like, I don't feel like, he's, he's just in our way more than anything, right?

And I think, you know, one of the questions we have here is from Nate, which is favorite boss battle. Like, Dagen's isn't, but it's, he is like, when he fucking throws you on the roof and then he turns around, or the ceiling and then comes up on the ceiling, I was like, this, it was another moment where like, this is awesome. And then he, yeah, like, he makes like two copies of himself. and like, I think even before that, right, he, like, uses the force to kind of hide Bode from us,

but then when you stagger him, Bode kind of like gets through the force, which might be a little bit of a clue in of, like, how is Bode able to, like, get through Dagon's force powers there and, like, shoots him a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, I really loved that sequence. It was so, like, at least, like, gameplay and visual,

it was just, like, really, really epic and cool. For favorite fight, though, what would you give it? That's a tough one. I would, Vader is up there because I think Vader is definitely by far the hardest boss in the game but I do really like the final encounter

I like that bowed final encounter with Cal and Marin just because it all feels like it's really coming to a head of these two Jedi who have kind of lost themselves a bit and have ended up on different trajectories because of that but yeah that Vader sequence

we got to talk about it it's so tragic and sad mad. Sure. I know some people in the comments or in the live chat were saying like, oh, Vader feels this kind of Vader just pops in and out. But that's just kind of his thing, you know? Like he's, you know, if he gets a call of like, hey, there's this underground group of

people trying to help out Jedi. And then if you're Vader of like, well, I lost another inquisor like a day ago. And if like, if there's potentially multiple Jedi here, I should probably be the one overseeing this operation rather than one of my inquisers. who keeps fucking dying. See, I like, and I appreciate you that he's not after Cal. Like, that's not the objective. His objective is to get there, destroy the archives, destroy all this Jedi stuff they have.

And then Osain Sears there. Yeah, well, like, because he kills Sear, he's in his head, he's probably like, yeah, that's probably it. And that was one of the thing I was trying to talk to, you know, my favorite thing about a video game I love or moments I love is waking up the next day or at dinner the next day trying to explain it all the gen. And I'm like, you got to understand, like, the fight itself's cool. it was super awesome to play as somebody.

I didn't see us playing Sear, at least not that way, right? So I was like, that was rad. That was cool. You know, you're using the powers in these giant mobs early on. But then the build up to get it, send BD away. I've been waiting for this moment. And to get in that fight and then you know she, it's like, it's what I talk about like WrestleMania and Cody,

or the elimination chamber and Sammy Zane versus Roman Reigns where I'm like, I know Sammy won't win this. I know Seer won't beat Vader. We know time is broken. She fucks him up though. And that was my third. right of like when he finally just by the skin of his teeth right

stabs her and she's like sitting there about dying and like trying to and he stumbles away grabbing the wall and I like that like throughout the fight right like I think in his like third phase that's when he does like the deep breathing from his voice modulator thing

and I'm like hell yeah because halfway through I was like I feel like he should start like doing the really like concerned Vader breathing and I was like I wonder like are they gonna do that and then like the next moment I'm like Oh, yeah, they're doing it. Yeah, like the...

Like he's fucking crushed on the fire and he comes up and his capes on fire. Yeah, she thinks that like maybe it's done in that moment, but has an inkling that it's probably not. And yeah, it's that moment really, if we're talking about heavy moments that brought a tear to my eye being sad boy Barrett, right? It was, yeah, Sear kind of having to... If I can stop you.

Oh, yeah. The Bustello Master writes in the kind of funny.com slash gamescast just like you can and says. I find myself tearing up playing games more and more as I get older. Watching Sear come face to face with Vader and hearing Sear's theme blended to get her with Vader's theme, while knowing full well that this likely wouldn't be an encounter she survived was just one of several moments that did this to me this time around. My question for you guys is did you tear up at all?

And if so, when and how often do you guys end up crying during your games? For me, it feels constant. So this got you? This moment got me of cow finding Sear. because again, like the way that they kind of edit it and like make it, the way the sequence plays out, right, is yeah, Sierra gets

stabbed and she's kind of like stumbling backwards and then Vader's like, yeah, I got you and is also like kind of stumbling away, which I love. And then she falls with the burning building, the burning archive around her and she calls out to Cal and then she calls out to Trilla

at the time where as she falls as she falls, Cal like catches her. and in that moment you're like, that's weird. I feel like he would have seen Vader walk away. I feel like he should probably be prioritizing like fucking up Vader. And then the kind of realization of very quickly the fire around her turns to ash. And like the realization of like he was, he did not show up there as Vader was walking away. This is much later and he's feeling it through a force echo.

And he sees the moment of her being alone calling out to her two paddaloons. was fucking heartbreaking. And I'm blanking on, Cameron Moynihan, please, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just wanted to make sure I didn't get that incorrect. His performance of holding her and just crying and losing another Jedi master

was just absolutely heartbreaking. It was hard to watch both times, but I absolutely love that moment. That's like, that sequence is the highlight for me, for sure. I didn't tear up during this, which, you know, I cry all the time for a million different reasons. than many different things.

And it's not because I wasn't emotionally invested in the game. It was the fact that I feel, and I said this with the, you know, mirror moment and everything else. But in general, I feel like this is what it must be to be Tim watching Fast and the Furious,

where I was just so in, but I was in grinning, even when it was bad stuff. It's supposed to come off the high of that fight. The level of action and cinematography they did there, yes, I was like, oh, man, she's dead, that stuff, but look, fucking made her hive on the way.

And then it was, oh, he's there, but it's sad, but it's cool. I'm just so emotionally... I wasn't dialed into these characters to the point of like, I'm feeling their feelings? I'm so emotionally invested in Cal as a character that like... Love him, dude.

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Asian Jared writes in to kind of funny.com slash gamescast and says, thoughts on Rick the Door Technician and his brave sacrifice for the Empire. What a great moment, man. I love that in our embargoed things that we... Don't talk about Rick the Door Technician. They specifically, no, do not mention Rick the Door.

technician, and I don't know if this is a callback to anything or just like another. If it was just a silly goof that they're just like, this would be funny, right? I think he's like, I'm the only one left in this base. It's time to take you out. I'll stop you. And he gets the full boss health bar and he'd take him out just like a regular enemy. And it's, it was a good, it was a very good. It was a good, especially after a very intense fight where you enter that base and you're fighting

off against all the, the big, uh, dark trooper robot dude. Yeah. And like, there's waves. of like the rocket enemies and the Gatlin gun enemies. It was just like a nice little like, no, that was fun. Yeah, one of the things, like I thought when that happened, it got the audible laugh out of me. I enjoyed the joke and the gimmick.

And I think for me, stepping back even further as, you know, us being critics of these games and, you know, talking about them on such different level, I think honestly that was really like a great sign of like, man, respawn got to make the game they wanted to make. Yeah, they're having fun with it. Fallen order, you know, you got either so much pressure of, where respawn were not known for single.

player open world games. We're trying all this different stuff. We need to make sure... First time, working with Lucas film. We need to prove we can do a Star Wars game. They fucking proved it. And so this time it was like, let's go bigger, let's go back, and let's have some fun with it and put that kind of stuff. And that was something I was going back and forth with a shout out to the devs who were very attentive to

my platinum journey. Thinking that some things were bugs, maybe they weren't. And then there's a, I'm blanking on the name, but there was a dev who vaguely tweeted out like a possible solution to a very obscure collectible

that everybody was struggling to get and it was the reason that no one had the platinum until Nano got it. And so after like we went through all that and I was like oh I got this collectible

one of the devs responded of like yeah we got it was our second go around like we got weird with it and I just I really love that not in just you know the story moments of Rick the technician

but then also the yeah like the finding the collectible that you have to get out of a specific neko poop, you know, and to get them in the stable. There's the very weird, like, having to put together through environmental

storytelling of, like, oh, there's more Jedi temples that you can go to to figure out these puzzles, and then, oh, there's these seven screens. And at the beginning of the game, they're all red. But then when you go back to that in a story moment later, you're like, wait, some of them are green. And then you're like, wait, I don't have all the Jedi temples yet.

What's going on here? and then you can look on the screens of like, oh, that's a vague area of where this Jedi Temple is. And then you find the seventh one, like the spoiler cast, I'm not too worried about talking about it. But the night I found this final seventh Jedi Temple, I was texting you of like,

I think I know where the screen is telling me to go. And then it was like the moment clicked of like, oh, the screen is showing me the High Republic ruins when you kind of first used the orbs to, beams to get away of like the abyss matter or whatever it is. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, all of that. And then you use the birds to kind of like go up these gusts of winds.

And that's where you find one of the weird cobo abyss like Wayfinder things and you get the memories of Dagon killing other Jedi. There's a one of the cube elevators that you'd usually find to go down into a Jedi temple is there, but it's all like messed up and broken. and there's like if you go to that cube there is a force tear there and I thought that was it and then going back later I was like this is the area for sure and if that's the thing

that takes me down to the temple but it's broken there's got to be something under there and so and it's not shown on the map because they're trying to be very like secretive about it of like oh there's a cliff near there oh my god and I get down to the cliff it's like oh but there's like the weird cobo bis matter

that's like you know blocking me from this door how do I get oh there's the beams outside and like using that to open up the store. It's like, holy crap. The amount of just like weird environmental things that they did in this game was sick as hell. And again, like, to take it back to what I think Kevin is talking about of why this is a five out of five

amazing for him, of just the pure exploration and all that stuff is a five out of five. So much fucking fun to explore stuff. So, sorry, I just went on a big old rant there. It's going to get into a question. But yeah, I mean, to double back down of that, like, again, like, you know, early on when it was like, you know, the first hours of that game where it was, I was playing, and I was like, Man, I forgot how much of a Greg-ass game this is.

It's just climbing up the wall in charted style, getting over there. Wait, what's that over there? You run over there. You find a cool secret. You find a cool, like, cost and piece, whatever. I think this is probably what it's going to be. But Darren writes in to Kondofi.com slash gamescast, just like you can. It says, long time listener, first time writing in.

Congrats on getting the platinum. Barrett. Were there any trophies that gave you a hard time? I would love to hear any tips as I am halfway towards getting it myself. Yes. there's a, and I related it to the Arkham City Riddley trophies, which is, there's a bunch of, there's a few different shops that you can collect currency for. Thankfully, you don't have to buy all of the

items from all of the shops, but Doma, who's the, the, kind of, the lady kind of running the town over on Kobo, you have to buy everything from her shop, meaning you have to find every piece of priorye. And there are definitely some some priorite that are hard to find, like I mentioned, there's, you have to get a neco from a very specific area of the map on Kobo to then take it to the stable and have it

parked in a specific stable and then eventually after a couple of minutes it'll poop and then you can interact with that poop to then collect a piece of pry right and it's just like that very and again they got weird they had fun with it but it's just like a that's not a fun trophy you know

but I did it and the weird roundabout I was going to say you'll work around because over here Cameron Kennedy says man this shop trophies why I might not platinum. Tell them the fix. Yeah, so the way that I decided to do it, and there's a couple of, this is multifaceted here, right? There's a couple of cool BD1 upgrades that you can get by

exploring. The thing that I talked about in our review that weird dungeon I found having to fight three mini-bosses all at once, but then it was different for you. At the end of that, BD1 gets an upgrade for showing like I think like chests and all of that, like on the

map, so you know chess locations. There are similar upgrades for other things that you can also acquire for BD1. I think there is a upgrade that you can find on Jedda that gives you the location of all collectibles,

so priorite, other consumables that you can collect to purchase at shops. I think that's where that is. Or actually maybe that might be the one where you have to do all seven Jedi temples and then there's a couple of them. Anyway, at the end of my first playthrough,

I have a few dope BD1 upgrades that show me the locations where all the priorite is. And then naturally, because I'd be in the game, it's like, okay, I'm going to have to go out of my way to collect all of this priorite. But I decided to roll the dice. And I was like, I don't know how much is going to carry on in New Journey Plus, right? We'll see. Do the collectibles reset, all of this stuff? Did New Journey Plus, and pretty much everything carries over to New Journey Plus. some force abilities that you get through story beats aren't fully uh progressed through like you have to

like re-earn the like it's the air dash and then the force like uh raise and then uh horse lift and slam uh you have to like regain through the story stuff but everything else carries over so the reason it took me 60 hours to platinum and not like a more normal time like nano i imagine was closer to 40 was because i did new journey plus played through the story again so i can could like naturally go through and see on my map. Oh, there's prior right in this story section. I'm going to go pick that up. And so, yeah, that was like my little workaround, at least of like motivating myself

to go out and collect the, the priorite rather than like, oh, I got to go out of my way and go around here. That's a really smart way. I'm going to save that a little bit and see, yeah, what happens. And if it gets down to like, oh, you need 10 or whatever, then probably roll the dice, go ahead and do things. And shout out to the New Journey Plus stuff because, you know, a lot of new game plus things

will make naturally enemies like harder later on that's all customizable for you there's 10 perk slots I think in total that you can have as Cal and the thing that they do with New Journey Plus is that the kind of different things that you can do are perks

so there's one that like kind of every time you die you have like a different load out of like customization for Cal which I think it's goofy another perk is a remix of enemy encounters, which I think also makes the replay harder. And then there's a third one.

I forget quite what it. It's like enemies give more damage, and I think you give a little bit more damage as well. But then you can un-perk those. So you can just do like a full other playthrough, souped up Cal, but then have it kind of be a more like normal. So it's like there's a lot of variability there. and how you want to re-experience the story.

And because I was using that new journey plus to kind of like get collectibles and just kind of re-experienced the story, I just like unperked those and went through other stuff. We're getting along on the tooth bear. We are. I'm sure we've covered most of it.

But the one thing we haven't talked about is the bounty hunters. Like, because when you were like, I was like, anything I need to do that it would even help for the thing. You're like, do the bounty hunters. Make sure you get all the bounties done. And when you said that, I was like,

well, it's got to be. be the man then it's got to be boba fat boba fat and so like it did it when it got to the end where of course you do all the bounty hunters and then you go to turn in the last one and what's her name or forgot her name cage cage is gone yeah come meet me where we met the first time and i was like okay we got there and we just go to fight and i was like oh okay yeah this is kind of lame i kind of tricked myself oh it's not going to happen and then to have the fettman walk in even as me somebody's not a boba fat like you know i was like super fan that's cool yeah uh a quick warning on the new journey plus because this is related to the bounty hunter stuff.

I had a weird glitch where in my first playthrough... Glitch in this game? You know, every time you go take out a bounty, you go check in with Cage, and she'll give you the kind of general location of the next bounty. So I got like five bounties in on my first playthrough, and then I started New Journey Plus.

And instead of, when I meet Cage and I pick back up that bounty hunter stuff, new Journey Plus, instead of it starting me off on the last bounty I was on. She skipped ahead to the next one. And so eventually it got to the point where I went back to her and she just wouldn't give me any more bounties anymore because the game was like,

you've already done this one, but you technically haven't yet. So that was a weird thing I had to go back to on my first playthrough to like wrap up that trophy. So just be a little bit careful with that in the coming weeks and months when they're patching up this game. But yeah, that was such a cool moment of, just like, because the bounty hunter stuff just felt like, uh, you know, something to do the first game again where it's like you're just randomly like running into

these, uh, bounty hunters. I like that they give you more like, hey, they're probably around this area. They're around this area, uh, which felt really cool, uh, to go out and do. I love the two sequences where the, like, they kind of repurpose, uh, areas of the map. I got there. I'm like, oh, man, I can't get any closer to it. Like on a thing. I thought.

And I looked at the regular map. I'm like, wait, no, there's, well, there's warp points there. And I went back to my warp. I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I had that like, oh God, the game's glitching again. I can't warp to this area, but then it kind of turns into like,

hey, we're repurposing this area of the map into its own, like, little mini dungeon. You have to go out and, like, have this kind of big moment fighting against, like, a huge group of bounty hunters, which I thought was really cool in the two instances that you do it. And then, yeah, to have it all end with Boba Fett coming in, which I thought was a little bit weird, where he's like, I'm not here for the Jedi who also has a bounty. I'm here for you. He doesn't have that puck? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, he doesn't have the puck. And I like that they tease that a little bit with Cage where they're like, like, some of the bounty hunters are talking shit of like, yeah, she thinks she just go off in her own, like all this stuff. I'm like, hmm, there's something up with Cage there. So I just wanted to shout out my boy Boba Fett. To wrap it up, do you have any

any last things that you want to shout out? What a fucking game. You know what I mean? It's one of those. We have to move on so quickly sometimes. And so for me, you know, I played it, reviewed it, and it was right on to Redfall pretty much, right? and it was something in between there too, but it was like turning it on last night

and jumping back into it and going, like to really begin my platinum race now until hopefully before Zelda gets here. Just playing last night and like, again, like I can't get over the little things of just how cool it looks. Every time you turn it out lightsaber, I'm like, this is so cool.

And it'll be running with the lightsaber. I'm like, that looks so cool. It'll be fucking people. It's just like, this is so good. I've been surprised since last night was my first like really, you know, since the credits rolled, really first time.

the amount of conversation, the amount of like landing on places and, you know, Boad's daughter's like, I don't want to come back here. I'm like, I understand, blah, blah. The mayor and things, this. you're talking to other people. I'm like, damn, this is really cool.

Like, and not to mention all the boat echoes that are giving you glimpses into what he was doing. I'm like, this is so well done that the story in a world still feel like they're going and expanding and exploring as I play. Yeah, I like the building out of Katta kind of slowly becoming a member of the crew, talking to Grease, joking around with like,

when can I fly the mantis? Yeah, anytime you'll teach you later, but not seeing what we want. I don't mind of doing it. And I love, yeah, you've got like Marin and Cowell being the weird kind of adoptive parents. And then Grease being like the weird little uncle, you know. I like that. And I'm interested to see where they kind of go with that.

Because it is a very weird vibe of like, we just killed your dad. And now you're with us. There's a lot of media. I was telling this to Kevin Offair. A lot of media has been doing that lately. Shout out to buddy daddy's. Shout out to Thor Love and Thunder. It's like a lot of media where it's like, we've killed your dad.

Now you're going to hang out with us. Earlier in the chat when we, I think, first started kind of talking about that. Somebody called that they had a hard time getting over that, that she would just be cool with that. But again, I think that's something that you could dive into. One of the questions that we had but of kind of cover, but you know, whatever,

was somebody asking like, you know, hey, this is, I think it was a nanobiologist, this game was this trauma, this game was that trauma. What do you think the next one would be? And I think it would be the resentment you feel naturally, right? Or, because like, I think you're a little kid and like you see your dad be bad or whatever, but these people are good. She does recognize, like, yeah, he

was different after mom died. Yeah, and so I think, but I still think there'll be something there for that, and especially if it's something like I'm thinking they might toy around with of Cal going bad and somebody has to, you know, Marin has that great conversation with him in the game, right, of like when he's like, I saw that, I saw it, and Deegan do it right, and I'm afraid of that and she's like, we'd pull you back, you know what I mean? Like, she does, that happens in this game a little bit there at the end, but I think it could be a bigger thing and try pulling him back and if it works or it doesn't work where that goes.

I want to do to round out just some quick hits of just little moments that I liked. I love that when Cal finds. Dagen. I think it's the him doing the force echo on Dagon that wakes Dagen up Which I thought was really cool. Yeah Let's see The Cal He's Gone moment Let's see

If you ever stray from your path we will guide you back Marin talking to Cal And then Yeah the ISB Inquisitor kind of infighting when you go to the ISB base Which is like really cool where the ISB head guy Is like wait that operation is supposed to start for another month And yeah the very the resentment

between the ISB agents and the Inquisitors, which I think could be a little bit more fleshed out somewhere else, which I'm excited to see Marin talking to cow and cows choking the ISB agent, and she's like, the empire is taking enough from us. I'll not lose you too. Awesome. We're all in on you, Grease. Greasy does it, baby.

Let it ride. Sierra, also another callback to a new hope where Luke's about to take out the Death Star and Obi-Wan's like, use the force, Luke. And you have a very similar moment now where they're trying to, use hyperspace to get through the cobo abyss. Cal's waiting. Here, sir. Say, now.

The funeral at the very end. Worked for me and didn't work for me. I love the effect of, like, Cal just kind of standing there and you kind of see the passive of time. The effect of them walking around quickly, I thought was really weird. I like that. And so, and maybe, I don't know, maybe it's a glitch where it doesn't look great on my version.

No, it was very, like, stop motiony move. Yeah. It didn't do the full effect that I wanted it to, but I still love, like, him just kind of standing there. Sears' kind of last message to Cal of, yeah, guide her through the darkness. And then also shout out to the lullaby that Kata sings every once in a while with Bode.

Alyssa was talking about that because she watched me play through it the second time. And she was like, it's really, shout out to whoever, like, wrote that lullaby because it's very, it's haunting, but very pretty and feels nostalgic, even though it's not a lullaby from our band. Yeah, we don't know it.

Yeah, yeah, I hear you go ahead. Yeah, I know that. And then also, you know, love to the fucking big daddy reference Scova Stave in this. Shout out to my boy Turgle. Shout out to just all the weirdness in this game

that I did really enjoy. Yeah, a four out of five, great on my opinion, on the same level of Fallen Order. I think overall I like Fall in Order story. More, but I still really enjoyed where they went with Survivor, which was a big uphill battle for me personally of like worry, you got to sell me on what we do next with Cal.

so yeah yeah I got still a five out of five for me it's it's you know awesome to be where we are right now and be like I can't wait to get home tonight and play it

this game that I've beaten but I want us to work on that platinum and I look at the trophies and I'm so excited to go after some of these and see what this leads to do and yada yada

like a really special game everybody currently my front runner for a game of the year we'll see how long that lasts big big year trying to think

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