Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - The Best PlayStation Games of All-Time - Kinda Funny Gamescast (PlayStation Special)

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

Greg Miller, Colin Moriarty, and Tim Gettys pick the BEST game of each and every Sony console and handheld in this very special PlayStation focused Kinda Funny Gamescast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up guys? Welcome to a very special episode of The Kind of Funny Game. This isn't the normal day for the full episode. I was sorry to knock your eyes out a little bit there. I was doing the old Hillary Goldstein thing. Where you some goof around the glasses? Yeah. Yeah, today's a Tuesday.

I like Tuesdays. Yeah, it is a Tuesday. Usually, you know, people are getting these episodes on Mondays for the breakouts or Fridays for the new episodes. Right. But today is a Tuesday and you're getting a full episode of this show. Right. this show.

Surprise, motherfuckers. Hosted by Tim Geddes, that is me, alongside two of the coolest dudes in video games, Colin Moriarty, and Greg Miller. You're right. Good to be here. We are the coolest guys in video games. Now, for you out there, you might know these gentlemen

from this little show. A little show called Beyond. Right, podcast Beyond. Over on IG. I was there for 381 episodes. It went up each and every Tuesday most of the time. Tuesday. Yeah, Tuesdays.

That's familiar. Just like today. Exactly. That's the point we're driving at. Ladies and gentlemen, we want to leave you out in the cold. I know you're used to, you get the games cast, of course, broken out topic by topic, day by day on YouTube. com slash kind of funny games, or you wait until Friday, you get the MP3 over there, or you go to Patreon, you get it early there. But we figured today, we put up one podcast, one PlayStation-centric kind of funny games cast, all about PlayStation from us three to you to ease you into it a day where Colin and Greg aren't there. For the first time ever.

To tickle your ears through the iTunes as they usually would. Is this the first Tuesday ever that you guys aren't on Beyond? There must have been a Beyond where neither us were on. But, I mean, so Greg was there. Greg was on 346 of the 381 episodes. I was on 246 of the 381 episodes. Certainly within the numbers, there must have been crossover where neither of us were on the episode. But I don't remember.

I don't remember. It would have been back in the Clements joined when Clements edited and did everything for us. So that's not today. Not today. No. Not today at all. So you editing this one? Me.

Me. Probably you. Not you. Not us. Absolutely not me. You jerk. Better take good notes for me. Oh, man.

I will. I'll take good notes. You weren't planning on taking any notes for you. Did you even start a timer? I'll start a timer. All right. Yeah, just in case. Uh-huh.

Uh-huh. Well, ladies and gentlemen, I really like lists. If you didn't know that, I'm Tim Geddes and I'm a big fan of lists. Yeah. And today, we're going to do something special. We're going to list things. Specifically, the best PlayStation games ever of all time. And we're going to do this system by system.

Oh, okay. Every single console. Console by console. We're talking PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, PSP, and PSV. Wow. Okay, that's a lot to list. It is.

I don't know anything about any of these consoles. No, I know. We've taken it for 381 episodes. The wrong guys to have on the show. We should just get Nick. It should just be me and Nick. I'm wearing the wrong shirt today. Yeah, I know, right?

Your PlayStation exclusive episode, you're in here wearing your Xbox exclusive shirt. It is what it is, I guess. But what we're going to do here is we're going to go from current gen all the way back. So we're going to start with the PS4. Yeah. And then we'll go down from there. Okay.

You ready for that now? Yeah, sure. Let's do it. So what's the best PlayStation 4 game? We're starting with the best PS4 game. Now, what I'm going to do for these is I have a list. I did a little research. You do like lists.

You're making a list. You have a list. List to list. Check it. Check it. Check the list. So what I've been doing is I spent the day kind of doing a little Google research. Checking out.

Sounds like a hard day. Other people's top lists for each of the console. Sure. And I just kind of made notes. Now, the criteria here for these best games is these games need to be either exclusive to the console. or known for being on that console. An example is Grand Theft Auto 3,

which is not exclusive to the PS2, but everybody... So you would include like a Final Fantasy series in there. That's exactly what we were talking about that. Yeah, seven was the game that came up there. And then the other thing is games that were re-released or like up-resed or whatever, so like Last of Us and stuff,

counts as a PS3 game, not a PS4 game. Yeah, you stole my answer for what the best PlayStation for. That would be such a cop-out bullshit answer. You know, you're a cop-out bullshit guy, and I've been waiting eight years to tell you, and here I am on the kind of funny games cast. There's so many great games on PS4. That's not one of the games you should be. DC Universe Online, then.

So the games that I have on this list, and let me know if you want to add more, we got Metro Redux. What? Killzone Shadowfall. I thought we just said you couldn't up-res and do stuff re-releases. So Metro Redux is tough because this is, and this is our, yeah, your problem's already begun. Because Metro, well, it's a two-fold problem, but there's something that might help. him, right? Metro Redux is Metro 2033 and Metro Last Light, right? Yeah. Last Light was on PS3 and 360.

Metro 2033 was never on a PlayStation platform. So that is the first time that was on PlayStation. Then I will only allow half of that game to be. But it's also on Xbox 1. So, I don't think that counts. It's supposed to be great. Throw it away. I was just trying to add some more games because there's not too many on this list. We got Killzone Shadowfall. Yeah. Infamous Second Sun. Sure. Transistor. Resol gun. Yeah. That's it. DC Universe Online. No.

You're right. I'm sorry, up, Reds. Everybody put a pin in that one for the PlayStation 3 game. It's a PC game. PlayStation 3 game. First off,

are we missing any to be in this list? Do you want to consider a child of light? No. I mean, that's, that goes against the criteria. Good point.

I apologize and withdraw my question. I'm not used to this. This isn't usually how we used to do lists. No, I agree. Tim's got a new world. I'm upside down. I'm swimming. In this world,

I actually think that, under this criteria to me, you've named three of the best games on the console under the exclusive or known for being on the console only kind of thing

and that would be I think Resilgun is clearly number one and then I think you put infamous and kill zone. You're not putting transistor in there. I've not played enough transistor I have anything to say about it

and again transistors they also on PC and will also eventually come to Xbox 1 but it's known for being I mean like if we're going to go with the PC criteria then I think that screws up. Yeah I mean I can't comment

on transistor any further because I can't comment. I mean, it would be totally lame for me to say like I played an hour of it. I don't have I don't really have any insight into it. I would maybe even put Super Stardust Ultra on that list at this point. If you played enough of that, is it just holding up to the Super Stardust standard? I mean, it's all you need. I mean, you know,

I was a little disappointed, you know, the cool thing about how smart games is they always have the woman voice in it, right? You know what I'm talking about it. It's like, you know, machine guns, submachine guns, save the humans, Star Dast. Like, it's, that's actually really funny because that's like the common thread between other games is that voice. And in this one, you know, you used to say, you say, Stardust. You know, and you'd like select things.

Now it says, Star Dust. Like, like, pronouncing both as if it wasn't the compound words, I'm like, I don't know how I feel about that. Right there's why it's not in the running. That's why it's kind of bullshit. But I think that, I think Resol Gun is obviously, and I know people get, some people get mad at me for this, but it's like such a fucking good game. You know what I mean? And, and then I actually think, killzone shadowfall might be, with the exception of mercenary, maybe the best Killzone game. Right? Some people really, some people, some people, just, just. There's a really like Killzone, too. Some people are really down on Killzone Shadowfall.

I gave it an 8 when I was at IGNA. I stand by that score completely. I think it was a great game. I think that the online multiplayer is really cool if you're into that. War Zones is what they call it. It's like you can granularly edit everything about it. It's cool.

And then Infamous Second Sun is the worst infamous game, but that's like saying, you know, I don't know what the hell that's like saying. But all the infamous games, all the infamous games are great. Infamous 1 and 2, especially 2 are better, but I still really enjoyed Second Sun. So as PlayStation experiences, I think those three games, kind of encapsulated right now, which is somewhat of a weak offering, but it's only been a year in a couple of months.

That's the thing. Great. What do you think about Resolgun? I like Resilgun. I agree. The thing, what we're talking about here is whenever Colin says it, that that's the best game on the PlayStation 4, it's hard to argue because the gameplay is so good, but for me it is such a weak thing to say. Just like, that's not why I play games, really. And I know that sounds stupid, right? Like, don't get me wrong. I love the gameplay of Resilgun. I get it. but I've never actually committed super solid time to Resilgun because I played it so much at events beforehand and then right around launch at like the PlayStation event and stuff played it enjoy it. It's an arcade game which is great.

It's just not, I've never been drawn to arcade games. It's just, it's interesting that Colin without a doubt says it's the best game on the system and I mean, I feel like we can't really argue too hard against what the other ones. Yeah, that's the thing on the list. I thought it was crazy that Transistor wasn't in there because,

but then you'd justify that you haven't played much of it. For me, transistor I would pick, you know, 10 times out of 10 to play over a rezo gun. just because I enjoy story. Like, I play games for stories, experiences, get lost in it, you know what I mean? But then do you think it's weird to say transistor is the best PlayStation 4 game?

It's a very interesting thing to say. It's something I hadn't thought about. You know what I mean? I really, really hadn't thought about it with this lens in front of it in so long, right? Because it is still in the infancy of PlayStation 4. So it's not one of those things where I've had to really go out and say,

it's more, I mean, like, because when we talk about what's the best PlayStation 4 game, you already start thinking uncharted. You assume uncharted 4 is going to come out and be a 10, just like uncharted 3. and I like that garbage uncharted too. And so when that happens, you assume you got a new winner. But that's the thing right now, it's just so up in the air

that there are so many different things happening. And then all these criteria you keep putting on it. You can't even nominate Spalunky. No, man. You can't even nominate Spalunky? No, I won't. But I know Andrew Goldfarb wants to hear it. Okay, so looking at this list, if we have the four games,

it really kind of divides into two camps. There's the Arcades. The Arcadee ones. Well, see, at no point am I going to make a case for Shadowfall or infamous. Yeah. And that's why I was always like just the pieces of all. you know when you like quit at chess and you put down your piece. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm doing for

their class. Resign, they call that. Is that what it is? Yeah, the I would make a case for them. I mean, it's all about context. Those games are great. They're always, I really feel like those games are always going to be great. It's just a matter of I just, well, I really don't think, you know, I wrote a piece of I Jenks, they still write, you know, once a week over there. And I wrote a piece about dying light and the whole argument was, you know, today, right before we recorded,

MPD came out and dying light was the best selling game in the United States in January, not really a huge surprise. And what I wrote about, out was that the context is important with dying light. Dying Light would have always been a great game. Yeah. But it was when it came out that made it stand out. But even if it came out in October when it sold,

it would have sold nothing, it would have gotten clobbered. It still would have been a great game. So I think it would be unfair for me to say that Killzone Shadowfall, I gave an 8, and I really do think it's a great game, and then it's just not going to be a great game one day. Like, for the place in time, it was a great game. And I think that they opened Killzone up again, and I would like to see Guerrilla walk away from Killzone.

They're not going to, but they wanted to, you know, like we've said before many times on Beyond, Sony's desperate for Killsland to be a thing. Yeah. You know, they've been, they've been desperate since 2004-2005 for Killsone to be a thing.

It's not going to be a thing, but they, it still sells respectively. They make money on it. So I think that, you know, with Killsone and Infamous, they're just early games. Their launch window games.

One's a launch game and one was supposed to be a launch game, obviously, and it was pushed out a little bit. And I think that it's fair to say that those are great games for the place and time. But like we look back at,

you know, when you look back at PS2's launch library, which I'm sure we'll get to in a little while. PS2's launch library was full of games, and it was a bad library. Fantavision. You know? Fantavision and smugglers run and stuff like that, and some sports games. Mad. And summoner, shit like that, but like... That's the sex, though. But

it's, it's, it's, it, that was a, there was a lot volume, right? Sure. And on the other side, there was good volume, but I actually think PS4 and Vita had pretty respectable launch libraries. I think they're respectable, just fine. It's just like, I don't think, I'm, I think, I forgot where we started from that I got off. Well, you were saying that you would never make a case for them, but what, like, under the cry

Under the criteria where I have to pick, sure, I understand what you're saying. Like what else you're going to put, under the criteria, what else you're going to follow us? Then what I'm talking about is in the pantheon of Rezogun versus Shadowfall, no fucking way. It's Rezogun. Of course. Rezogun versus this, or infamous, no fucking way, it's Resilgun. And then when it gets a transistor, that's when it's like, interesting, totally different ideas. One, you know, one is this story.

One is this voice. One is this, you know, plotting mechanic of like, how do I do this? I'm going to go this, you know, strategic. Whereas then, Rezogun, of course, is visuals. It's color and it's pop and it's frantic gameplay and it's trying to figure out how to save these humans and go back and do that, let alone the fact that there's online dialing into it. That works. And you can see

scores and stuff like that. Yeah, I mean, that was what made the game special. I will say that Second Sun, I would have had a harder time making a case for it until First Light came out. Now, First Light's not technically DLC, it is technically a standalone, but First Light focused, I didn't give, Fetch's story was whatever. Like, the campaign was fine. I was really fascinated in that game by the arena.

I thought that the arena made what infamous Second Sun did best, which was Traversal in Combat, Shine. And so that kind of helps me suggest the game. I might even suggest first light over Second Sun just because of the arena combat. I think you should play both. But it's early.

I still think, though, that 14 months in or so, 15 months, that PS4, it's library right now, way better than PS3s, way better than PS2s, way better than PS1s at this time in their library. I think that Vita is the only, and PSP, are the only two consoles that had better games. They burned bright in the very beginning. In the first year, yeah, especially PSP.

So it's hard Under the criteria it's hard because I would say Yeah you don't want to bring up child of like Valiant Hearts You want to bring up you know costume quest or some of these other games But it's hard because Because a lot of these games are on other consoles Or will be on other consoles or are not known for being

And that's why I would throw Star Dust into the mix Because Stardust is a PlayStation platform Or a PlayStation property And so I would throw maybe Knock Kill Zone off the list and put Stardust on there But again this is what people get mad about with me And just generally about PS4 is that it has indie games and StarDust and Resolgun are not indie games.

I hate to tell people, because they're published by Sony in there. They're somewhat, they're not bloated budget games, but Housemark's not a tiny little studio of two people. Well, isn't that where we're getting... Indy is just more independent developer. It's a group being as just like an arcade game. Right, right. And I understand that, but like... And this is when we get into the genetics of what games are and how we describe games.

We really have to describe what Indy means. Housemark is not... It's an indie studio, but not making really indie games. It's like with rap music, when Drake tried to say he's independent. It's like you're not independent. Yeah, exactly, because Housemark is signed to a label, as it were, under the music thing. They are and Sony stable. I don't know.

So it's complicated. I just encourage people not to be too hard on it because the game is the game. I understand people want these big, graphically rich adventures on the console, and you're going to get them. And they're already there, frankly. But what is the best game? Why do we have to identify the game as an indie game or a $5 or $10 game? If Resilgun is the best game, and I think it really is, I'm not saying to people, I really think it is, then

that's fine. That's great. It'll go away. I think it's just like, you know, it'll fall away just like the downloadable. Like, that's the whole thing. Indies yet now just move to be the new, you know, little stickery. Exactly, you stick something to. They're like, oh, it's less than.

No, they're honestly a better experience most of the time. Yeah. All right, guys. So Resolgun is what we're saying. Resolgun is the answer for the best PlayStation 4 game. That's determined by the kind of funny games cast. Available every Friday on Patreon.com

slash kind of funny games. Kind of Funny.com. Just go there and you can find it. Well, I'm just saying when you get the new episodes, though. Oh, yeah. But kind of funny.com's easy. We get everything.

All right. Next up, we're going Vita. Oh, nice. So, again, precious Vita. I am going to hold back from talking shit. Fuck you.

Because I have a history of talking shit on this. Yeah. Oh, you're 3DS. I'd love to see that list. Yes. Anyway. The Voted 3Ds.

It's not a JRP you never heard of from this guy. All right. So again, Colin, you're definitely going to want to add a couple to this list. I can tell you. He's got to get Mama Kuma in there. So we got Taraway.

No. Get the fuck out of here. That's what you lead with? Again. He's just I'm going to break your arm. No, this isn't my list. This is just me. These are the games that kept coming up whenever I have stopped. And they're not in any order at all. Terraway. Dangan Rompah. I'm saying

that right? Mm-hmm. All right. Dangan Rompah. Dragon's crown? Mm-hmm. Uncharted Golden Abyss. Mm-hmm. Superstarters Delta. and persona 4 Golden. Now, this is another game that it was on PS2. I don't know if I would count it.

Really? Yeah. Fuck you. You have to count persona. Why wouldn't it be a PS2 game? There's new V. I mean, because it's not a straight port. They went through and redid it into widescreen.

They went through and redid graphics. You're going to hear your water. No, again, my waving hands. Yeah. I think that it counts because, and we talked about this on last week's, or this week's actually, kind of funny game cast episode with Persona, where I think that it being on the Vita kind of gave it to a whole new audience

and that was their first experience with the game. So I feel like it counts for that reason just because people are going to forever think a persona 4 as being a Vita game because that was their first experience. True. They didn't play it on PS2. At least for a lot of people.

Yeah, no, I agree. The sales are about half and half, right? So it's like, the PS2, the PS2 version of Persona 4 sold about as well as the persona 4. It was just more impressive that Persona 4 Golden sold as it did because the install base was about one-tenth of what PS2 was at the time. Here's what I'll counter for the sake of the argument,

Timothy and Colin. If we can say Persona 4 Golden is the best PlayStation Vita game without this restriction, great, then there we go. Now, if we want to then have the conversation about, let's say, the restriction holds, and we have to pull it back and we choose one there,

then I'm down with that. I don't know. I mean, I think it's fine either way. I think what's fun about talking about Vita is that it does have a lot of experiences that are made for it that I think are extraordinary. I don't think tear away is one of them. I think that some of the games you mentioned are absolutely amongst Vita's best games.

Dangan Rampa and Dangan Rampa, too, are fucking awesome games. And we were talking about persona being a phenomenon. I'm not sure if you noticed that when you went last year. It was a little early for you to go. Deng Rampa was out at that point, but Dangan Rampa is blowing up over there too. And it's not quite as, you can't, you have to look a little harder,

but almost any store I went into had Monacuma merch and, like, merch and I bought a lot of it. So that game is blowing up too, and there's a third game that's already out in Japan. that's, you know, we hopefully will come out here. I'd be surprised if it didn't. And then hopefully we'll get another proper one because this is not really, this is called another episode.

It's kind of a quirky fan service game. It's not really, it's kind of like persona dancing all night or something. Gotcha. Not a dancing game, but a spin-off. And I think that series is really special, and it's made for Vita. They were PSP games, but they really became popular on Vita and especially

worldwide. And NIS is fucking thrilled with how they're doing. I know that for a fact. Dragon's Crown is a fantastic Vanillaware Atlas published game. It was on PS3. I'm not entirely sure that it belongs on the list because I actually think it's better on PlayStation 3. It chugged a little bit on Vita, if you remember correct?

I think it was more at home on PS3. That said that game was awesome. So I'll allow it. Uncharted Golden Abyss, absolutely still the most console quality game on the entire platform. A brilliant game, a launch game. Well-made, Sony-Bend game. I would put kills on mercenary.

Yeah, underrated, I would think, too. I think it's better than Drake's Fortune, the first uncharted game. Kills on Mercenary is an awesome game. Unit 13 is an awesome game. And the games that I would say, in my opinion, are amongst the pantheon of top Vita games. Velocity Ultra and Velocity 2X is on PS3 and Velocity 2x is on PS4, but they are known for being Vita games. And those games, Future Lab did a beautiful job with those games. But again, a very arcade experience.

See, now this is very different than my story. You my words before, too, because what I would want to put on this list, not to say it is the best, but in the running, I think for sure, is luminous, electronic symphony. And I say that. That's a native beating. I know. I know. but I'm saying I was giving you, I was like, Resilgun, it's this arcade thing. It doesn't, like, Luminous for all intents and purposes is as well.

Another launch game. High score, go through. What I loved about it was, you know, the leaderboards tracking me against my other friends and doing these different things. But it was a great game in terms of, first off, Luminess is just rock solid gameplay-wise. It's a great puzzler. But then it was cool how they used the touchscreen in a non-hoky-crapy way. You know what I mean? This is when everything had to have touchscreen controls because it was a launch game.

But it made sense that it was fun and actually challenged you to make your scores better. And I remember when it first came out and I was playing and I was setting these high scores. going out to drinks one night with Pandemus and a bunch of other fans who were visiting, and they were asking me how it was getting these scores, and I'd show them, they had never even thought to do that. And like, that's a failing, obviously, of number one, the game and the Vita, but the fact that there was this whole different world of the gameplay. You could sit there and play like a normal Luminous game and have fun,

but it was really about tapping on the back and doing these different things. Also want to give a shout out to you. If there's the arena where all these games are battling, this game is outside the arena, just tailgate and having fun, Freedom Wars. Doesn't need to be on this list, not at all, but it's just such a fun game. Freedom Wars is definitely a solid game. I'm trying to look...

Yeah, Delta is another game. So you brought up Super Stardust Delta. Again, it's the same thing with Ultra or HD where it's just, it's the same game. But it's just, you know, Taylor made again with touchscreen stuff, some new ideas, some new components. Fantastic game. You can't fuck Stardust up.

If you keep making games like that, it's really hard to fuck that up. Yeah. So I would put it on there too, which is the antithesis of Resil Gun on Vita, which I think is stripped down and not as good in any way, shape, or form. So, because it's just not made, like, people busted balls where I was like, Vita can't run this game. PS3 can't run this game. Like, here it is, it's running.

And I'm like, not really. It's like, it's a totally fucking stripped down version of the game, graphically and by gameplay. Especially on Vita, it's just too small. It's the same way reason I felt that way about Dead Nation. On Vita, which is that the nubs are too small, the screen's too small. It's a great idea to have something like Dead Nation on the go, but not an execution.

And I feel like it was the same way with a ResoGun. So I think this is a pretty solid list of games. The other games I'm thinking of, like, Rogue Legacy or something are not. They're known for being PC games, so it's not really... Ported late. Hotline, my name. Miami? Same thing. Oh my god.

And I say Hotline Miami is best on Vita. Agree. I agree 100% with you. That game's made for analog six. The reason I couldn't play and didn't understand how to Mousa Keymanyms is because I just don't know how to play. And I don't feel like that's an effective way to play that game. That is a twin stick game.

Yeah. You know? That might be used, like that's what so good. Everyone's like it's best on mouse keyboard. I'm like this is a twin stick game. You know? I don't, I agree. I know that they patched it in later on the PC version, but yeah, so Hotline Miami is another great example

of just a fucking fan tag. I can't wait for the second one. Oh, my God. Oh, doctor. Soon. It's got to be soon. Yeah. So, yeah, I think that's where we stand with Vita.

Going back to it, though, Freedom Wars, why doesn't, why is he on the outside, not on the inside? Watch Freedom Wars on the outside? Yeah. No, the story's in the way. The story gets in the way of the gameplay, which is what you want to do. And then you get to the, when you want to get Code 8, like, there's still shit I want to do in that game, which means I have to find a dedicated group of players who want to go through and do it with me. Because it's, like, the end missions are super fucking hard.

And then, I mean, right now there's just barriers to me continuing to play Freedom Wars. The fact that the missions are so hard and I need a group of friends to play with me, I can no longer advance solo. And number two is like I need to get, it's honestly like an MMO really where I need drops from certain enemies to improve my weapons to go to the next level to do more damage. But like it's all random. You know, I got to go in there and do it and like in the, this might have changed. I haven't checked like a month and a half. But there were no really comprehensive wiki saying like here's how you. you get the mark eight whatever lancor part that you know the part i needed yeah so then it was like

googling and i'm kind of fine if i'm finding vague things on game facts it sounds like they're asking for what i'm doing and i go to fight the fucking cat creature over and over and over and over again and he's not dropping what i want and it's like well fuck what you know what i mean like no i'm not going to waste my time doing that for this game that i am having so much fun with or was at least when i could play it at my leisure with you know friends or about myself all right so what it comes down to here is if it counts persona four yeah and if it doesn't count what are we going with? I think we all said it counts.

All right. I think it counts. I mean, I think uncharted is maybe the game. I think, you know, Freedom Moors is, I think,

a special game because it's probably the last AAA game we're going to get. On Vita. And I think that you'll maybe get more AAA ports or, I don't know.

Oh, don't forget we did get Criminal Girls invite only after one. So there's another AAA. That's true. That's true. That's true.

I think, I think that... Triple D. I mean, we did a really great, I think comprehensive Vita, top 25 Vita list on IGN,

you know, last summer before we left, and I think that that kind of says it all in terms of what the best games are on there. I think you just have to expect and understand with the Vita. It's going to be a lot of ports and a lot of PC games that are brought over and exposed to a console or handheld audience, and I think that's what actually makes it kind of special.

Yeah, that's true. I don't, you know, so that's why a game like Rogue Legacy, yeah, it's on PC. It's way fucking better on Vita. You know, like... That was one of those games where cross-save really mattered to me. You know what I mean? Go on the road, play it, come home, and then upload it to PS4 and sit there and play on PS4 and then leave and I was,

Yes, fuck yes. Every game should be like this. If this is what they're going for, obviously. Cool. So there you go. Pesona 4, best beat a game. Fact. You heard it here.

Now, we are moving on to the greatest PlayStation 3 game of all time. Now, I'm excited for this. Because I feel like the PS3 is you guys. We don't have. Yeah, that is more than anything. My eight years there pretty much were, with the exception of the first three months, we're all PlayStation 3.

And nothing happened in the first three months. So it's obvious. Except heartbreak. Right. Layer. You're funny. All right. So here we go.

We're going with... We're starting with two that I know you guys are not going to be happy with. But middle of your solid four. Yeah. And Grand Charisma 5. Need to be mentioned at least. They've been mentioned. Little Big Planet.

Unfinished Swan. Heavy rain. Resistance 3. Flower. Now you're cooking. Superstar-Ustaged. Now you're cooking. Infamous 2.

Oh, yeah. Ni No Kuni. Uncharted. One, two, or three. Yeah. Journey. Last of us. Last of us.

Yeah, I think the last one is done. Are we missing it? On to the PSP. We probably are missing any that need to be named on that. DC Universe Online again, I'll throw out there. This is where third party games about association with third party games matter. I'm not saying that these games are going to be on the list necessarily, but a game like Catherine or a game like Vanquish. I think Fallout's more of an Xbox game.

I thought we were saying it doesn't matter. No, no, I'm saying that there are third party games. There were a few third party games. were associated with PlayStation. Okay, I'm caught up. I'm sorry. Vanquish is made by Platinum, so that's obviously going to be associated with PS3 and was basically just only a PS3 game in Japan,

and the same thing with Catherine, which is made by Atlas, persona theme specifically, a PlayStation 3 game that was ported at 360 because they felt like they had to do that for the Western audience. But those are PlayStation games, and I think that they are deserved to be in the conversation

in some respect, not maybe the top three, but in terms of some of the best PlayStation games, Catherine's an extraordinary fucking game. And I still think that Catherine's one of the boldest and most interesting and most unique games of all time. Yes, it is like kind of Cupertish or whatever you're jumping up blocks,

whatever the gameplay is a little weird and hard. The game's hard. But the subject matter is awesome. It is about cheating on your girlfriend. You know, it is about, it is about the mental conundrum that a man has when he is juggling two women. And it is, it is

Oh, Tim knows. The pure one knows. But it is such a unique, there's nothing like it. You know, and that's why the game, it's one of my favorite games. Like, I really, really love that game because I'm like, now only is a, it's, you know, like, we talk about naughty bear, right? Like, the terrible game, right? Nauty!

I like that game. I think it's funny and fun because it's unique and just weird. It's about a murdering, like, a teddy bear just murders his other teddy bear friends. So I'm like, that's why I like, it's nothing, it's just weird. You know, it's not a bro shooter. It's not, uh, save the princess. It's not, like, so that's why I liked Catherine. But the thing about Catherine was that it actually was awesome. You know, it wasn't just different.

The puzzle is really cool. Really challenging. So I want to throw that out there. And then I'd like to throw Vanquish in there too, because I think Vanquish is a really, I always said Vanquish should be a G.I. Joe game. It should have been a G.I. Joe game. That would have been awesome. And Vanquish was a special, really fucking weird game, you know, and really underrated, and I wish that it sold better and all that kind of stuff. So I want to throw those out there.

That said, the games that you had on the list, I think, you know, Last West is the obvious answer. Yeah. Last was one of the best games. It's the right answer. Yeah, I think so, too. And then you might even stay with Unsharded, or Noondi Dog, and do Uncharted after that. I think you can make different cases depending on, you know, for Nino Cooney, for Resistance 3, for Journey. like you know it's this is tough because i think ps3 has a really robust catalog i mean i think that this actually gets it's harder as you go back to like this the ps3 is the the first console going backwards where it's just hard because there is so much good shit yeah throughout the the life cycle that lasted forever yeah so it's like 10 year tailspin you're getting all these different types of games like

something like journey or flower i love those games like completely love but then it's hard for me to be like these are the best games on the console like they're definitely in the conversation But yeah, you can't compare Journey the last of us. Like, it's just too hard. A lot of people have tried. I know. And, I mean, you can. I mean, I think you can make an emotional comparison between.

Well, that's my thing is, sure. The emotional connection and the experience of Journey is so unique. It's beautiful. And I love that game. And even Flower, like, I have a weird fondness in my heart for Flower. You and Ryan Clements. It's just, it's very people, everyone loves Journey for the emotional connection. For some reason, Flower is just hit me.

Flower's an emotional game too. I really, really like that game. but it's like, it's, I feel weird putting it on the top of the list. So for me, I would definitely, Last of Us,

I think it's the obvious answer. Yeah, I don't think you can even, I love me some Metal Gear 4. I know, but do you think it's one of, you think it's the best game on the system? I don't think it's the best game on the system,

but I do, it is, personally, the most fun I had on the system. Like, I had a lot of fun with Metal Gear Solid 4. And because of that, I definitely would want it in the conversation higher than,

the bottom. Yeah. Like I think it's in the in the top 10. Metal Gear Solid 4 was always an interesting thing for us, Colin and I. Colin has no real love for it. I mean, Metal Gear Solid 4 was the Metal Gear game I wanted. It answered the questions. It tied up the loose ends.

I got to run Army Snake. I got to see what happened to Merrill. Like, it was, in the other than he had these, I mean, when we went back to Shadow Moses, are you fucking kidding me? Like, I'm a huge Metal Gear fan. At least I was, you know, I don't know where I fall anymore. But, you know, seeing Ray, seeing Rex, seeing all these awesome things from this franchise, I loved. I loved Metal Gear Solid 4 as a Metal Gear Solid 4 game I wanted.

That was the end caps of this thing that did all this different thing. But what always came down to when Colin and I would go into the room to make the top 25 PlayStation games for IGN is just the fact that I always looked at the list as these are the best games for someone just buying a PlayStation 3 to play. Yeah. And I would never ever say Metal Gear Solid 4. Get it right now and jump in. Don't play the other games. You'd have no fucking, like, I love that game as a legacy,

as a continuation. It's almost like, I forget what we were talking about the other day. One of you will be able to help me on one of these fucking shows we do, where we were talking about the fact that, like, I think it was Star Wars maybe, where they all were like,

yeah, yeah, the New Hope, Jedi, or no. Empire, Jedi, thank you. We're all basically, one story, one thing, look at them all together, because in the middle of it, right? Like, Empire doesn't make any sense.

Like, by and so you need to know all this. And that's the same thing with Metal Gear 4, like you need to fucking understand what Shadow Moses is when they say that that you know you need to be like oh me Ling's back this is oh exactly you need to know ride and you need no jack you need no rose you need no car you know but that's the thing is that's why i think i think i enjoy it so much as i no totally so to me it was just like here is all of that together is what i mean do you so do you disagree though that that i mean like do you understand i'm coming from my case so many people overlook this that i mean i'm in i you know jeff always gets shit for for being the guy who gave metalgerslaught a 10 right

in Metal Gear Solid 4 or 10. I'm the second opinion on that saying I agree with this score because I do. I do think that game is a masterpiece at being a Metal Gear game. And like this is where we're now into a whole different conversation of the weeds of reviewing and what does it mean to review a game, right? I think that reviewing the game and putting a top 10 list together are much different, right? Yeah. And it's definitely even on my list.

It's not number one. Yeah. That's for sure. I mean, just to be different. I mean, just to differ from you on the list. like I just didn't think M.A.S.4 belong on us at all. You know, I just think that it's a, it's the worst, it's the worst Metal Gear game. And I think that, and to me it's like, I didn't, I was, just like, I got way further into

anything than I did MGS3, which totally turned me off. But MGS4, I played extensively. And I was like, I fucking don't like this game. You know, like, I don't, this is not a Metal Gear, you know, like, that's what I kept saying to me. I'm like, where is metal, like, where is the Metal Gear game? And when I was playing it and when it ended and all these different things, for me, it was, I was like, oh, man, Kajim was putting it aside. snake story and the Metal Gear story is done and this is the end and this is

an awesome what the fuck there are more games yeah this continues in the timelines is getting more and more complicated and all this weird stuff's happening it's like just we'll just stop just stop just do something different or tell another story in the Metal Gear universe but like and you make it's the end of Solid Snake's Tale

it's like yeah sure okay but like what the fuck is going on you know what I mean like that's the thing I don't think four is perfect and definitely it is not the most Metal Gear Solid game that's true I think that I enjoyed it because I like how it did action. And I thought it was fun and I thought that the variety of all the gameplay enticed me. And the things I didn't like about three, it fixed.

Like there wasn't so much focus on the dumb camel bullshit. Yeah, yeah. Do all the rations and all that stuff. Kind of quickened it all up. And yeah, there was a lot of movies, but that's metal gear. Like, that's, it is what it is. But anyways, last of us. Yeah, I think the last was the obvious answer.

You can make, I mean, I'm looking at your list here. I mean, there's heavy rain. It's a fantastic game. Resistance 3, I would make the argument as easily the best shooter on the console. It's really a shame that more people didn't play that game. I'm really, I am bummed. I get so many messages. I've gotten so many messages over the years from people that are like,

thank you for making me play this game. Resistance 3? Yeah. It's an awesome, awesome, awesome single player, eerie, bizarre, alien shooter. You know, like, it's just a great game. But, yeah, I think it's so obvious that The Last of Us is, the last one is not only PlayStation 3's best game,

it's maybe, I don't. want to say it's best game all time, but it's one of the best games of all time. Full stop. Like, no doubt about it. There you go. Next up, we have probably... I wouldn't say the most typical, actually. That's Vita and PS4, because there's just not too much...

The libraries are growing. But we got the PSP. Yeah, the PSP is very interesting, because it had a lot of really bad games. Yeah. And then it actually has a lot of games that are unique, exclusive to the system... PSP is an amazing system. That are great. Underrated again.

I think underrated is a great way. to put it because let's go through this list right now. Fucking a bunch of you motherfuckers wrote it off before that destination PlayStation event and then bam, everything changed. We got Daxter, which was, let's be real, the worst Jack and Daxter game. Interesting story behind that game.

It wasn't a Jack and Jackson. What's the interesting story? Nauter Dog started that game and they never finished it. And then Ready at Dawn finished that game. That's the story. Ready at Don, the order? Yeah, people? Oh, my God.

Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep How far did they get in making it? They were making it and they were making a PSP game and uncharted Bush they were calling Project Big at the same time and they couldn't do both so they'd abandon the project. That was Neil Druckman worked on Daxter as far as I remember. That's why it was so gritty and dark.

Yeah, it was very dark gritty. It opens with a spoiler. It opens with, you know, Jack getting killed in front of Daxter. Oh my God. All right, Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep. GTA, Liberty City Stories. GTA by city stories. Yes.

Luminous. Of course. Yes. Crisis Core, Final Fantasy, 7. That is a good game. I like Crisis Core. Do you? Yeah.

I do too. I would have talked to give you with the haters on it. Very, very eerie game. It's very weird game. It is. I wish it was longer. That's my only issue with it. God-a-Wor Ghost of Sparta.

Dissidia Final Fantasy. That's a Clement special right there. Pat upon 3. Yeah. Bapan! Baa! And of course, Metal Gear Solid, Peacewalker. The answer.

I like how you're doing these lists and then you're leaving the obvious number one choice at the very end. It happens. Yeah. The weird thing about PSP is that it's, I felt like PSP, a lot of people were like, look at PSP's numbers. PSP sold like 80 million units, right? And they're like, like, let's look at the units and look how well it's sold and look at all the great games. And I look at the library and I'm like, it is a great system. I like it.

I like it a lot. But a lot of people bought PSP to home brew with it. So what ended up happening was that... It was the best system of all times. time because of it. I mean, that's what a lot, I mean, by 2010, no one was buying PSP for its games. Like, like, that's just the fact. Like, you know, it was really rare

for someone to be like, I'm buying a PSP 4. They're buying PSP to play like an NES emulator. And so what ended up happening was that the hardware sold prolifically and the platform had really a lack of prolific selling software after, say, 2005, 2006. But what was cool is that it had this really

slow burn. PSP games still come out. And, like, every few months, there's a PSP game, a new PSP game. Universal, media disc. And so what I look at is I look at the beginning and I think about what I think about the beginning is Grand Theft Auto. Really? Really? Yes. And and Vice City stories like these 2005, 2006, 2007 kind of era. Those are the games that stick out to me. And then at the end, I think about Final Fantasy Complete collection. I think about my favorite PSP game, which is tactics ogre let us cling together,

which I think is PSP's best game. And what was so cool is that it was buttressed by this really strong start and what I think was a somewhat of a long but strong Japanese centric end and in the middle is like a lot of I don't know like stuff that like Mega Man powered up, Maverick Hunter like weird stuff that I really liked but like

I don't know I think I'm not going to really sit here and dispute that like maybe Peace Walker one of these games is the best is the best PSP game I think that my favorite PSP game and I think the PSP game that is the best of my mind is Tactics Oger tactics over is really really good and so I think that

you can make that argument and let it sit. But the weird thing about the PSP is that I actually don't think it has this amazing library of games at all. I think it has like a really strong start and a pretty strong end. And just a lot of home brewing

in the middle. Home brew is great. I think it has a really good library. I think it has a little better library than Vita. You agree with that? No, definitely not. I do.

I agree with myself on that one. I think it had a lot of standout cool titles that stood in his own. Stand-out cool, that's, stand-in-a-s, stand-in-a-some. The Pat-Upon series was awesome. Locco-Roco, people loved. Hot shots open tea, granted, don't get me wrong. Hot shots have been around, but it's poor.

Felt at home. Luminous came and kept coming. Yep. I like that people were making games for Vita. PSP. PSP. Sorry. PSP.

Think about how crazy it is that Kajima made a metal gear twice for, if you want to include acid, three times, for this PSP, this handheld system. You know what I mean? That was big in Japan. which is why I helped skew Japanese-wise. But they were making real games that were different and awesome. You know what I mean? I always catch flag for it, but I still stand by it.

I think that of last console generation, Peace Walker wasn't just the best PSP game. It was the best console game of last generation. Like, that's the one that stood out for me when we had to do this game-skept discussion of the games I enjoyed the most. And I think this was pre-last of us, so don't rip my face off. But, I don't care. It's your opinion.

I know. But I mean, like, I don't even know. Maybe there would be an argument to me, either. I haven't thought much on that. since I originally said it. But Peacewalker is my favorite game of all time. You know what I mean? Originally that was held by Metal Gear Solid 1 on PlayStation 1.

And then Peace Walker came out and just took what I loved about that game. Applied it here. Voice acting. Comic cutscenes. Great missions to go out and do stuff. Replayability. Missions that were designed to be played in bite-sized chunks. I'm on the train, right?

I jump into a mission. I go do it. I come out. I ping whatever random hotspot I just passed. I then fight to get new recruits for my thing to build on my army, to build my Metal Gear, to go out and do different things. to send out my guys in this strategic operation to come back with more supplies. It was like, yes, this is like, you get what I want to do here,

and the strengths of this platform. This was built for a portable system, and it makes sense. You know what I mean? Like, you look at Vita now, right? And you look at Persona 4, you look at Rogue Legacy, and these are games just ported to the system. And that's great, but cool. This was something, this was a AAA game built for this platform.

Yeah. And that's so important. I think that carries over, too, to Kingdom, March, birth by sleep and Crisis Core of Fantasy 7, where it's like those were games that were that took the franchise but made it a handheld version right made sure that everything is in shorter bursts and like there was more replayability and all that stuff and um that that is what made the system so unique for those experiences yeah peace walker for me i every time you say that it's your favorite game and all that stuff i'm like

wow you're just not a metal gear fan it's okay i i am a metal gear fan is not a middle gear fan is when it comes to middle gear i i have never been a fan of the big box stuff like there's still great. I'm not a fan. It just means I prefer the Solid Snake stuff. I'm with you. Metal Gear Solid 3 was a big turn off for me too. I did not enjoy Metal Gear Solid 3.

I got through it. I was like, all right, I understand what people loved it or whatever, but it's just like, yeah. The story's amazing. I think that is the one thing for it that stands out above the rest, but otherwise, the other ones are better.

Yeah. But like with Peace Walker, and I just hate that we're stuck in this thing where like every freaking game is now about Big Boss. And it's like, Solid Snake only had like, at least for the Metal Gear Solid games. Two and a half games. even a half.

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. It's like, and that's crazy that he is the main character, but he's not, Big Boss is the damn main character. Yeah, yeah.

And so for Peace Walker, it always turned me off, A, because I didn't want to fucking play on the PSP. And, um, B, because it was fucking, again,

more of this storyline that wasn't what I wanted. And, uh, now that it's on the HD collection, I started it and I was like, this is cool and I like the comic cutscenes and like all that stuff. But I never felt the need to keep playing. What I loved about Peacewalker is that

it was self-contained good. story. You know what I mean? Like I'm talking, it's the antithesis of Metal Gear Sond 4. You start this thing, you know that you're this guy, the big boss, you're starting liaison, or not the Laison Fonsonterbury, the military without borders, and you're recruiting guys, this guy comes with a mission, he plays you a tape recorder that sounds like this woman you kill that you were in love with. You don't need to know everything that happened in three. You didn't have to play the battle because they retell it with this awesome cut scene of the

petals falling and everything else. and you, that's enough motivation. I want, is this person dead or not? I'm going to go on this mission to find out. And then, yeah, you're off and running on that. You meet new characters that are now, like, super important to the canon with ground zeros and Phantom Pain and all this stuff, which is still crazy to me.

I just got so used to PSP games being shit out or whatever and being the stepchild, right, that nobody cared about that now, like, Paz and the kid and her, his, yeah, Chico, thank you very much. And the sister are all, like, main characters happening in Phantapain. I see them in trailers, people like, who are those? I'm like,

oh my God, let me tell you, this traitorous woman, I'll tell you what her deal is. You know what I mean? Like, that's awesome. And yeah, I just had,

that game was, that was, you know, I forget what it was. It was some insane hour of like, you know, it took me, I did at a review event.

It was like 12, 13 hours to beat the story right, and then it was an additional, like, life to date, like 98 hours of playing that game on the, on my PSP. And just pinging things all the time

and trying to build up a better army and do all these different things. Colin, would you make any case against Middle Gear Solid? Peace Walker, I played very briefly and I didn't like it again. Again, because it was, I just didn't want to play on the PSP anymore. That was a huge problem. I didn't feel like a game that was made for PSP. Even though it was made for PSP, I don't feel like Metal Gear belongs on the PSP.

And so, you know, that's a console game. Metal Gear is a console, big movie, action movie game. The thing that stands out to me, like I said, is that, you know, strong beginning, strong, and also PSP had games that I really cared about that were just re-released and felt at home on PSP. I really liked the original Final Fantasy and Final Fantasy 2 on PSP. War of the Lions is fucking awesome on PSP. But

again, and again, that goes back to Maverick Hunter. It goes back to Dracula X. That goes back to Powered Up and all these games that were basically re-released to remakes. Like, Powered Up is a remake of Mega Man One. That was really random. You know, like that they did that and it was cool. But again, it was a very late game, 2011. I think it came out, Tactics Ogre. That game is

fucking awesome. And so I would say that that game, is the best PSB game in my mind. The one that I remember the most, that is unique to the platform, at least in its iteration that it came out. And so, War of the Lions is similar to that game, and it's got a new translation

and some new bells and whistles, but it is a PlayStation 1 game. So I wouldn't, we'll get back to that, I'm sure, because that's one of the great games of all time. All right.

So we're going to go with Miller's solid. Peace Walker for that. I'm done. I can go home to. Yeah, exactly. Well, I guess I'm home all the time, but you know what I mean? I can go to my room.

Yes. All right. So, next up. we got the one that I think is going to be the most interesting discussion because I don't think there's a clear answer PlayStation 2. K-Sue stuff? Yes.

And now I think that this is the toughest because it is the generation that had, I think, the most franchises with multiple iterations that were all great. All awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, PS3 had uncharted, right? Yeah. Maybe a couple others. But, like, this was the system that had

multiple, like... Certainly an amount. So we got S is tricky. S.S. is tricky. Sorry. No. No.

Dragon Quest 8. No. Katamari Damacy. Hell no. Ratch and Clank up your arsenal. Get the fuck out of here. Which is the best. Ratchet and clank.

Cracking Time's better. Well, sorry, on this generation. Gotcha. Thank you very much. I agree that crack time is best. But it was over. The welcome was over. Get out, Ratchet.

Jack 3. Amplitude. Silent Hill 2. Final Fantasy 10. Devil May Cry 3. Or Devil May Cry 3. You still haven't said a single. game that I would put on this list. Really? Yeah.

I think we're about to get in there. Eko. Shadow the Colossus. You want to put Shadow in there? No. Interesting. Really? Nope. What's your hate? What's the shadows? I think Eko and Shadow the Colossus are both overrated. I just think that their Eco is certainly overrated. Yeah. Shadow the Colossus is a great

fucking super eerie game. I think it's not this fucking seminal masterpieces everyone. I like I really, I played it. I didn't played until I got here either. Yeah. And I played in like 2007 or 2008. And I played it for the first time of Mark Ryan's because Mark Ryan loves that game. He loves that game so watch on the back of his motorcycle helmet. He has a custom sticker of the symbol of it or whatever,

which is cool. But his weak spot. His week spot, yeah. And I was like, this is cool. But like, first all, the controls in that game, it's same thing with Eco, but I think it shines more and shadow the classes are just fucking backwards as hell in that game. And like, just the way you have to control and do things that game. It's like, it's like, Jesus Christ. Yeah. And I love the formula of the game and the essence of the game and I'm like this is not in my mind in my opinion it's not this 10

this fucking mind blowing where's the last guard that's why the last guardian's so confusing and I'm like yeah your game was good but is it really good that you'll spend 10 years on it I don't know about that you know I enjoyed it a lot

Grand Triismo 4 gotta mention it or Grand Trismo 3 yeah Aceback I was going to say it was the one or smugglers run God of war one or two. Sure.

Metal Gear Solid 2. Now you're talking. Metal Gear Solid 3. Kingdom Hearts 1 or 2. And now here we are. Here we, I know, here come the granddaddies. Grand Theftado 3, Grand Theftado Vice City, and Grand Theftado San Andres. I mean, there's a bunch of games I would put on this list.

But I think that, again, this is hard. PS2 has an extensive library games. You'd be low, I think the only game on there that I would definitively put on my list is Metal Gear Salat 2. in terms of the top three. I think that game's fucking awesome. I love that game. That's my favorite Metal Gear game. And I think that

you could also make a case for one of the Grand Deft Auto games and I would make a case for Vice City. I think Vice City is still the best Grand Theft Auto game. I think Vice City is definitely my favorite of the three. I think three obviously is the biggest one just because it was the template.

That's when you come, exactly. You come down to what's the game's importance versus which one belongs to the list. But I feel like Vice City really kind of just perfected that and gave everybody just more of what they wanted better. San Andreas is interesting because people either love it or people are

like, no, they just went too far. This isn't what I wanted. And I'm one of those people and it's funny because I love three. You guys are both if they went too far? Yeah, I think I think San Andreas. I love three and I love Ice City so much. And when they started talking about San Andreas and they're like, oh, it's California where I'm fucking from. San Francisco is going to be in it.

It's in the 90s, my favorite generation ever. And it's focused on like hip hop music. I'm like, yeah, this is going to be the fucking best. And then I played it. I'm like, uh-oh. This just, it feels a little too big. And I think that's when it lost me.

I love St. So many people love it, though. I'm the opposite of you guys. I love it. Don't get me wrong. In this argument, I think I would go with Vice City. It's the one that kind of perfected. It had the right balance of everything, right?

Because GCA3 obviously was stunning, amazing. Bleu your mind when you played it. But looking back, even at the time, it seemed somewhat empty, right? In terms of, like, a world where it's Vice City felt like a fleshed out. world and then San Andreas I enjoy but I totally understand what everybody's complaints are with it every time I talk about it like the eating and working out and all that stuff that was annoying that was the thing that was annoying as shit yeah the most annoying thing to me was that they changed the control so you couldn't drive your car

with the D-pad you had to use the analog stick I'm like not welcome to the new generation I know just join me here that was where that was when it was in the weird thing where it wasn't the new generation yet like it was the end of the other somebody's got to somebody's got to force it's like the triggers still weren't accelerating all that so it was just like it was similar to the old but it wasn't exactly the same and yet also wasn't what the new generation would be. So it was kind of just in between. So I don't know.

Vice City for me. Yeah, Vice City I would say too. Yeah, I mean, Vice City is all. I'm just because I also love the 80s and I think the soundtrack and Vice City is just through the roof good. And I ran. Exactly. I would add a few games to the list. I mean, I think that I have a huge soft spot for Animusha.

Oh, God. And I think that Animusha 2 is probably the game I put on the list. Yeah, but all, but I really love Animusha 1 as well. and I actually really like Anamusha four, but I think three I fucking hate. I fucking love three. I hate that game so much. When they go to modern times and show like that,

it's so good. John Rino's in it? So bad. I love that game. I actually refused to finish it. I'm not finished anything. Oh my God. I've seen enough.

But the fourth one was like a nice, I still can't believe they haven't gone back to Anamusha. And I liked Anamusha before I knew in Afunei and had anything to do with it too, which is, you know, so just everyone else. Just a really fantastic, weird kind of mixture of what DMC would be along with what Resident Evil was.

And I think that that was, DMC was too much for me. That game was way too much. Oh, I love it. And Resident Evil was just enough around that time with four coming out on GameCube, well, in 2004. So I would consider a game like Anamusha. I would consider a game like Dark Cloud, which I really love.

It's a level five game. The guys did Nunakuni later on, White Night Chronicles, et cetera. I think that that's a really good game. Dark Cloud 2 was also a really good game. That was their weird game. People are really a level of RoGalxy too. I'm not sure I would include Dark Cloud, but I want to give that game a shout out.

A game that I think will be controversial that I want to include that I fucking love. I love, love, love is the getaway. And I think that the getaway was, it could have been more. Yeah, 100%. And I think that what they nailed was what Grand Theft Auto couldn't at that time. And then they did with Grand Theft Auto for it, which was the presentation. Making it serious like a movie. Yeah, and like it was just an awesome story and an awesome game, especially on the heels of like Lockstock and Snatch.

Like people really, I think it just really resonated with me a lot because of that at the time it came out, like fall 2002, right? Spring 2003, whatever the fucking came out. And so I have to give a healthy and hearty shout out to the getaway because while I think it was an incomplete game, it was, what was there was awesome. And I really, I get so depressed when I think that Sony London was working on a new getaway for, they made a second one, but a new one for PS3 that never saw the light a day. And it's like, damn it. You know what I mean? Like, I wanted them to, you know, the guy, what was the studio that did? Internal Studio. Soho.

Right? They were called, because Sony, London is a mostly casual studio. And Soho is like an internal team, kind of like Team Eco at Studio Japan. And they never got a chance to do it. You know, and I was like, it sucks, man, because that was a really special and extraordinary game. And when I think about the games that I remember most from PS2, like the games that I really remember, that's one of them. But that was also a muddled generation for me because that was the first generation where I was really playing everything. I was actually playing mostly on GameCube.

But I mean, I had a Bajillion piece. It had a handle. You know, I think the PS2 is really interesting, and I don't mean this as an insult. I actually mean it as a compliment. Here comes an insult. No, I think that it's, it has, many of its great games are eights.

Like, it has so many good solid, this is what an eight is. I really enjoy it, and it's a fun game, I'm playing the shit out of it. But it's not a perfect game. I think even a lot of games on this list, they're just eights, you know? Like, I could never say,

Amplitude is a 10. It's not. It's not for everybody and it has all these issues, but I loved it. I played the shit out of it. Any of the Ratchet and Clank games, any of the Jack games, like... Jack games, so good. A lot of these things, like, I would say, you can't really give more than an 8. Sure. And 8's pretty much, they fucking nailed it,

but that is as high as it's gonna get. Right, right, right, right. When we're starting to talk about, like, what is the best game on PlayStation 3, or 2, I think it has to be one of the Grand Theftados. Yeah? I feel like we in, we decided Vice City. So I think that's... I wouldn't dispute it. I wouldn't dispute it. There you go, Phil Collins.

Your award's incoming. Metal Gear Solid 2, I would maybe make a case for it. The story sucks. I disagree. I think story's awesome. Do you remember, Rose? I do remember Jack. Shut up.

Jesus, shut up. Yeah, but MGS 2. Decoy. I mean, the gameplay, amazing. blew my mind. You know what I mean? I was talking about it.

Like, Metal Gear Solid 2 is the first game that I, in quote, unquote, platinum. Like, that's the first game I ever did everything in, where I had every dog tag. I played on every difficulty. I took every game. ghost picture. I mean, like, I knew that game backwards and forwards. And so, like,

don't get me wrong. Tons of love for Metal Gersaw, too, but, like, just the story, like, Snake at the end, like, not even, like, they didn't use Snake. Like, I was never, I was never, I didn't hate riding or anything, you know what I mean? But, like, at the end when, like, it ends with him breaking his own handcuffs,

then jumping into the water, and then that's, like, what? And then then, like, you're in the financial district and papers are in, he's like, what the hell is happening? Yeah. What the fuck is it? The biggest problem in that game is that you had to do what the shit was going on. Yeah. And it wasn't until like 10 years later when someone else explains to you what happened that you're like, oh, that's actually really cool.

Yeah. But when you're playing it, it was just like... That was the thing is, and this is what I... That's my thing is like, Metal Gear Solid 2 is when, you know, Kajima came off the rails with storytelling. You know what I mean? And why I think I love Peace Walker so much because, like, I felt like Metal Gear Solid won at the time. My favorite game of all time. It was perfect game.

You know what I mean? Like, great story. I understand what's happening. It showed me that games could be on par with movies and do all these different things. Metal Gear Solid 2, the story starts to get out of fucking control. Metal Gear Solid 3, we fucked up Metal Gear Solid 2's story. Let's go back in time and try to, you know, Metal Gear Solid 4, the end cap to everything. You know what I mean?

It's just like, that's why when we got to Peacewalker and it's like, start the end, that's the story. Like, oh, thank God. You know what I mean? Like this, I can wrap my head around this and enjoy it like a book. Well, everyone could enjoy Grand The Doddo of Vice City. That is our best place. Ray Leota. Phil Collins.

Now rounding this out, we got the PlayStation 1. Yeah. Also known as the PSX. Awesome library games. Some people. Now, this is one where I feel like it has the largest library of amazing games compared to any of these other systems. But I feel like the final conversation we're going to have

is going to get down to a couple obvious answers. WWF Smackdown. Yes. Let's go through a couple of them. We got... I'll flip this fucking table over. We got Resident Evil. Resident Evil.

Resident Evil, too. Three doesn't make the cut. Grant Tarismo, too. Siphon Filter, too. Saifan Filden. Parapa the Rapper. Krono Cross. Parap of the Rappah.

Let's go back to that for a second. I saw this on a lot of best-up lists. And it's like, guys... That's some nostalgia talking. Are you fucking smoking? It's an awesome game, but it's... But it is a... Today, that would be a $10 download.

It's all in my mind. It's a game you can beat in 20 minutes if you know how to play. Chrono Cross? How do you feel about Chrono Cross? It's fine. It's fine. It's not Chrono Trigger. It's not.

And I think that, you know, obviously it took advantage of the name. It's the same thing about what was that Legend of Madna or whatever. Like, it's a late PS1 JRP that came out late, you know, again, late in the ecosystem on the console with arguably the most JRPs of quality ever released. So to me, that's why it doesn't stand up. there are plenty of JRPGs better than Crown Cross on the console. Like,

Sweening into or, Zeno Gears. You wouldn't? No. Nor is Zeno Gears. Zeno Gears is a game that's like not even done. Like that was,

that was a weird game. If I remember correctly, I was talking to someone about this because I remember, I remember getting Zeno Gears. I was fucking so excited about Zeno Gears. Got it in ninth grade. And

I was talking to someone, I'm like, I kind of remember like the end of the game being like, totally random and rushed. And I don't know if someone put that in my mind or that's what I remember about it. But I feel like that's one of the things about that game

is that the game's good, good, good, good, and then it's just like, then it's just over. Crazy-ass ending? Yeah, I never played it, but I know a lot of people that, to them, that is their definitive PlayStation 1. It's a very deep game. Bring me back and bring me back to Sween and two though,

because that was one, when Jared was freaking out on Beyond saying it was coming and it was the best RPG all time, but I didn't remember you saying anything anything contrary to it. And I still... I'm not saying anything contrary to, I'm just picking out the best three PS-1 games.

that's not even fucking anywhere near the list you know PS1 man the list is in my mind I know exactly what the list is in my mind I think it's obvious like I really think more so than any of these other systems it's just like you know the three the order that's a challenge NFL game day

I don't think I don't think any of the three games I'm going to discuss around any of your guys lists but let's really yeah well let's move on well okay we got Tomb Raider 2 which again that's nostalgia but yeah Team Raiders doesn't doesn't hold up those ones

Ball Fantasy Tactics. Now you're hitting on something. All right. That's a great game. Guess who with Colin your stocking? Spiro 2. Oh yeah, that's a Colin joint if I've ever heard one.

Look at them. It's in the Somniac game, but it's, it's, uh... You don't like the Spirros? No. Spirot, I like Spirot. You don't like the Spirot? I was also, I was just not into platformers during the PS 1 era. Oh, man. Well, I was.

So Crash Bandicoot 2 and Crash Bandicoot warped. Definitely in the discussion, but they're just not when there's these other games. Let's see Where we are Final Fantasy 7 Of course Final Fantasy 8 Final Fantasy 9

We got Metal Your Solid Your Solid Yay Obviously I'm gonna put this on the list Tony Hawks Pro Skater 2 The second one huh

Yeah Yeah Yeah The first two are awesome It's a multi-plap The first four are awesome But Thug is the best one

No No no no I love Thug Thug was When it was just That's when it hit the line. Thug wasn't bad, but it was just okay.

And then Thug too was like, uh-oh. Thug had a story, man. I had an American wasteland just went to shit. Fucking Eric Sparrow. That motherfucker. We love you, X-Pairro.

No, he's the bad guy in Thug. Rest in peace. No, no, no, no. All right, yeah. So Tony Hush Pro Skater 2.

That's a multi-platform game, but that is a PlayStation game. You know, like, I feel like I played it first on the 64, and like, I know people have played it on Dreamcast, but it's like, dude, that's a fucking PlayStation game, you know?

and that game is so special. But to say it's the best on the system. It's hard. But back in the day, that game got tens from like everybody. Yeah, I remember getting that game for Christmas in 99. I think it was. And being fucking so excited, I got it. Because that's what actually,

I was going through stuff in my house. That's probably one of the games that is, that one of the only games from the pre-intern era, there's a picture of me playing it. And I'm like cross-legged on my bed, like sitting there, like playing it with my blue dual shock. And, uh, it was a special. special game. I mean, it was a totally, totally special game, especially because we hadn't, we hadn't played with the idea of what a skateboarding game could be really since the NES, right? We had like California games and skater die and weird shit like that. And then like this whole, you know, bizarre emptiness, really. With the exception, there was random games that were not even skating games, like Skitchin on Genesis and shit like that. But like, when you got to Tony Hawk, it's like, this is fucking awesome. And what was so distressing about it was that others could have

done better with it. Like, remember the game Thrasher? Mm-hmm. Which was like more of a simulation. Yeah. And I was like, fuck that, man. Like this, like this is, this is. It fucking nailed me.

Yeah. That's the thing is like two is the one that like brought to the next level. Just goddamn you guys nailed this. This is just gameplay perfection for me. Tony Hawk won. I still prefer over it. Like just because that was the first one I played. Yeah, me too.

I would take one over two. I can see one in my mind much clearer. But to me two is, two is the closest to a 10 in the whole series. But my favorite's four. And one, I still prefer over two. But yeah, so I'd put that, you're crazy, man. For the Final Fantasy's between 7, 8 and 9. I'll just take 9.

Oh, wait, hold on. To finish out this list, let's put, here you go, Colin. Castlevania Symphony of the Night. Yeah, I mean, that's nice. So there you go. That's obvious. So that's the list, unless we're missing any. But before we talk about that, Final Fantasy, is there a debate here?

Yeah. God, you're a crazy motherfucker. or Colin where you're not I here's the thing about this all right I'm just going to throw it out there I have a fucking really deep knowledge of the PS1 RPG category like catalog very fucking deep so like I I you know people can accept it or not everyone has their own opinions it doesn't mean that I'm necessarily right or wrong I mean there's no right or wrong answer but I played most of that catalog of JRPGs that's all I was playing for the most part like 90% of my PS1 catalog was JRP's and then there was like metal gear and Tony Hawk and some random ass shit like

that. So, Final Fantasy 7, 8, 9 are all good games. And I would say 7 and 9 are great games. I think 9 is the best one of them all. I think 9 recaptured what people wanted, which was, you know, one, two, three, four, five were all fantasy games. Six was a, what made six so special was it was steampunk that fused like guns with, you know, swords or whatever. And then, you know, so you had like an airship, but you also had like, you know, Locke was like throwing a boomerang and shit like that and sign was using like a you know an EPI to whatever we call epit to fight and seven midgar was then not even Steampunk now it was like futuristic eight was whatever the fuck eight was the nine went back to you know back to the roots and so I think nine stood out for that

reason I think you could make a case for seven or nine but I think that that neither of them are anywhere near being their best role playing game on the console and so you really have to ask yourself is some people might make the case for Dragon Quest silent seven what Dragon Warrior seven it still was at the time I wouldn't um I didn't jump too deeply into that game Anyway, that game ate the fucking time out of some people's. Like, that Dragon Quest 7 is apparently like a 120-hour RPG. Jesus. Not going down that rabbit hole.

My favorite game, and I think the best game on PS1 is Castlevania Symphony the Night. But Wild Arms is the best role-playing game on the console by a fucking mile. And like, and that's, you know, that, the reason that Wild Arms didn't resonate with people more when Media Vision released it in early 97 was because Final Fantasy. was right there. And people were waiting for it, and it changed the whole game, and introduced people to JRPGs.

Final Fantasy 7 is an instrumental, one of the most important games of all time, in my mind, for proliferating... Let me back up. Everyone knew we were playing Japanese games, right? Everyone knew most of the games, if not all of them, came out of Japan. Well, Final Fantasy 7, I did, I think, for a large group of people that were playing games, made them want to and proud to play Japanese games,

and they liked it because it was Japanese, and they liked it because it opened up an entire genre games. never experienced before, the JRP, which was in 97 at his height. And Wild Arms had just had the misfortune coming out a few months before it. But that game is fucking harrowing and sad. And I really like how there's only three characters in the game you ever play with, and they're the three characters you have the entire fucking time. And you get to really know them.

It's not like Final Fantasy Six is awesome, but there's like, there's literally 20 characters. The last boss fight in Final Fantasy 6 is everyone fighting. And that was why it was so cool. like the boss was like screens along and you like went up and down and like and that was awesome but I like the intimacy of wild arms so to me the best three PlayStation 1 games

definitively in my mind like fucking definitively are wild arms Castlevania Symphony Night and Final Fantasy tactics you know those are the three and those are tens three tens you know and I think there are actually other tens Metal Gear solid

I would give a 10 to and then you would have to you would have to give a shout out again that seven and nine I guess but if you want to go down that rabbit hole, man, there are better Japanese role playing games on the console than that. I mean, that's a very call and answer. And I think that's good. Like, that is hardcore fucking real shit.

You know what I mean? I think that to me the go-to-three, obviously would be Metal Gear Solid, Fall Fantasy 7, Castlevania Symphony of the Night. Those are the ones that universally, I think, people recognize as the best three on the console. Sure. Talking about the ordering of those, that's really rough.

That's hard. Metal Gear Solid. I go Metal Gear Solid, though. Yeah, that's what I love to him. pounded that, best friends. I have not played Symphony of Night. I need to do that. I play Symphony Night years later on a PSP,

and I totally love it. I'm gonna try to get through, again, for the book club here. What a game. Remember, book club, right? I'm sure I'm gonna love it. Oh, that game's special, man. That game, like, the beauty of Symphony of the Night is that it,

it is, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's like, I think I said on another show, it's like, it's pretty much perfect. Like, it really is, like, a pretty much a perfect game. It might be the closest thing to a perfect 10 that there is in my mind. It's just... That and Skyward's sword.

Of course, Skyward's right. It learned from Super Metroid, but it also learned from Simon's Quest, which I thought was really weird and funny as a kid, and I immediately understood and acknowledged that. And I think a lot of people don't acknowledge that. Simon's Quest is like the bastard child, the Castlevaney game, which is why it was so cool that some of the great games that came later, like Symphony the Night and the original Lords of Shadow are both direct omages to Simon's Quest. And that's what I liked about those games.

So, you know, Symphony of the Night is a PlayStation game. It's also on Saturn at the time. And some people say the Saturn version is better. You can play as Maria and so like that. But, you know, I remember Clear as Day getting Castlevania. It was the second PS1 game I bought. And I bought it because I was a Castlevania fan. And I had no idea, like, what I was getting myself into.

And I put it in and I'm like, I was like, this is incredible. This is incredible. This is incredible. This is incredible game. the atmosphere of the castle is beautiful the enemies are thoughtfully designed and the game's difficult there are secrets everywhere

people still try to break the shit out of the game to get the percentage higher and higher like the percentage of completion is 200% if you do the inverted in the and the regular castle people have broken the shit out of that game you know to get it to like whatever like 220% or whatever the hell it is like sneaking out windows and like finding things

that you're not supposed to be able to do it's like I don't know man that game that game is an extraordinarily special game And that's why it was so exciting when they made Circle of the Moon and all those games on GBA and then on DS because they were basically annualizing that formula. And that's what they were all awesome. And then they just stopped. And it's like, why? Why did you stop?

You know? I would have paid you all the time. And they put, you know, they put Poriga in a fucking dungeon somewhere in a basement and Konami into the point where he eventually quit. Like the formula works. It's just one of those formulas that works. And it all started with Simpity of the Night. Symphony the Night was begot by Metroid, Super Metroid, but is a much better game. in Super Metroid. I'm really interested to see...

I do. That's exciting. I'm really interested to see what you think. To me, it's almost like, it's almost like an undeniable truth of the universe, like a fact. Wow. You know, because it's... An undeniable truth. It's just, I'd be really surprised to see someone, I want you to play because I want you to make the argument to me if you even would, because I'm not

even sure you will. Yeah. That Super Metroid's better than Castlevania. Man. That's swing on you if you make that argument. Yeah, do you want. I mean, I don't care about it's... Oh, I know you will. Okay, so, I feel like this is the one that we haven't decided. There isn't like a clear answer. Again, we haven't played,

or I haven't played Castlevania. Greg, I guess you have to be the tiebreaker here then between Metal Gear Solid or Castlevania Symphony of the Night. Metal or Solid. What do you have to say about Castlevania, though? I enjoyed it when I played on PSP. I did not play it at the time. My PS1 leg of my stool is the shortest.

I picked that up really late in the console life cycle. I got that right. I don't remember when. I actually remember right. It was when no mercy failed on me on N64 four times. And I was like, fuck it, I'm done.

And I bought WWF Smackdown with my PS1 and then rented Metal Gear and did all this. But then I went to college and I remember picking up, excuse me, the PS2 pretty quick. I mean, I had a launch from high school. You know,

I went with my PlayStation 2 to college and that was a big deal because it was brand new. So, you know what I mean? But I don't remember when the late 90s, I got my PS1, if that makes sense. You know what I mean? And so it would have been probably, you imagine 2000, right?

Because WrestleMania 2000 came out for N64, and then the next one was No Mercy. No Mercy is the one I bought, and then that's the one that was the end of it all for me. So right around then is what I get it. So I played catch-up, I wasn't into JRPGs at the time. It wasn't to like Randy a 2 on the PlayStation 2. I was like, oh, this is fun, this is interesting. It's weird. Any of the Final Fantasy?

I find it, no. The answer, I've played, I've started many of them. but it's very much I feel some I can't go you can't go home again like on those I can't start those and get into them and not get hung up on like the fact that this is like that or the like I've tried seven multiple times

and multiple platforms that's just never stuck it's never worked for me um so yeah like Castlevania I remember playing on PSP and enjoying it a lot but it's one of those even that memory is dusty and when we were doing the Super Metroid book club I sat there and I'm like I know that I liked Symphony Night so why don't I like Super Metroid

In the chat, trying to explain that to people. But it's like I need a refresher course on it. So honestly, I'd prefer to leave this a tiebreaker and not vote. I would vote Metal Gear, but I don't feel informed on the issues. There we go. I'm not going to do what I do in real political battles where I just go into the voting booth and vote against everything Colin voted for. It's a good answer usually just for everything.

Yeah. Right side of history. Oh, yeah. So ladies and gentlemen, you tell us in the comments, what you're voting for. And then, ladies and gentlemen, let us know in the comments we thought about this episode overall. all, this is a very special PlayStation-centric episode. One giant episode for you. Of the kind of funny games cast.

This is a show that happens every week. You get a new episode every Friday, and it's great. It's just me talking about my cool dudes in the gaming industry, Greg and Colin. I was going to say, my good friends. But, you know, you're that too. Don't jump ahead of yourself in there. I jump. We'll see how this 50 Shades of Grey goes tonight.

We've got to watch that tonight, and I'm very excited. Tim and I are in the front row. Yeah. Nick's somewhere in the back. Imagine that, too, though. You go, you're, you're, oh, 50 Shades of Grey is. come on, I'm going to take my lady out for it. It's going to be awesome.

And you get to the theater. You're like, you've gone out to a nice dinner, and you sit down and Nick Scarpino, fucking Mountain Mad Unabomber with his huge beard and his popcorn is sitting there like this. By himself watching this fucking porno. That's my favorite thing of this. I really hope it's a porno.

Anyways, let us know what you think about all this stuff. And please, if this is your first games cast, don't go away. There's a lot more goodness coming. A lot of cool special stuff. Next week is episode eight. Last week was episode seven. Whoa!

Until next time.