Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - The Definitive Elden Ring Podcast - The Kinda Funny Gamescast

Episode Date: May 28, 2024

GameSpot's Tamoor Hussain joins Bless, Andy, and Barrett to talk about Elden Ring in 2024 and how to get prepped for the Shadow of the Erdtree expansion. Run of Show - 00:00:00 - Start 00:00:30 - Housekeeping 00:01:40 - Topic of the Show: The Definitive Elden Ring Podcast 00:10:00 - Lore Break Down! 00:37:00 - Making the wrong choice 00:44:38 - Ads 00:45:47 - Scoring Elden Ring 01:11:11 - Should you kill Melena before starting the DLC 01:13:40 - Superchats! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Yo, what's up? Welcome to the Kind of Funny Games cast for Tuesday, May 28th, 2024. I'm one of your host's blessing, Adio A. Jr., and I'm joined by a group of Tarnished. We have the Nitro Rifle, Andy Cortez. Val Tarnished. We have CEO Jr. Barrett Courtney. Yo, what I bless.

It's good to be back. Good to have you. And we have GameSpot and Giant Bombs to Moore Hussein. Emboldened by the flame of ambition. And I'm very excited to have it. this cast because of course today we're doing our elden ring definitive podcast the only podcast need to listen to you to get ready for the dLC or to reminisce about elden ring or just you know have good chats listen to good chats about elden ring uh before we get there though

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Some housekeeping for you. Today, you've already gotten the call of duty talk on Kind of Funny Games Daily. Up next is Multiverse's on YouTube and on Twitch with me and Andy. If you're a kind of funny member, today's Greg Way is why Greg hates hamburgers. And you can get Kind of Funny podcast this afternoon

and tomorrow on YouTube and on podcast services. Thank you to our Patreon producers, Carl Jacobs, Fargo Brady, and Delaney Twining. Today we're brought to you by Shady raised, but for now, let's start with topic of the show. Topic of the show, blessing. I bought a jumbo Reese's

at the store. Look at this big sucker. Look at this big sucker. I think this could feed a family of five. How are we doing? We open it. Yeah, it's got a little fork in knife. I'm gonna say the ratio of chocolate to peanut butter is way off with the jumbo.

Oh, for sure. That's usually with the larger Reese. Like, you're gonna, you're gonna take a bite and you're going to be like a dog eating peanut butter where you're just like, The larger Reese, yeah. Where did you find this? At Walgreens, La Wagga. Saw it there. I was buying my Mountain Dubaha Blas Zero.

I thought you were going to pull out that item that we discussed last week. The G-fuel. Oh. But, yeah, Tam told me blessed that he wants to do a video drinking the G-fuel. Eldon Ring G-fuel, which I know. Crimson. Is it like Swamp-themed? I have no idea, but I have it.

I purchased this. Oh, shit. I own it now. It's like rot. Yeah, who knows. I was like, oh, because I'm coming back to streaming soon. So I was like, you know what? I'll start by doing an Eldon Ring G-field taste test.

Wait, can you, you said you're going back to streaming soon? Can you do reacts to those old British game shows again? Because those were the fucking best. Crystal Mace is coming back. Fuck, Ladia is coming back. Well, you should do, Andy. You should save that for the stream after this, and we can do like, you've seen the picture of the two dogs.

They're doing those spaghetti and they be in the middle. I don't think it's that long. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, We both just shopped at the different sides. Do you know where that's from? Was that from? Is it Lady of the Tramp? Okay, yeah.

Okay, gotcha. I was just making sure. I did just say just two dogs. I thought it was a, I thought maybe it started off as like a famous painting. You thought it was like a Renaissance painting? Yeah, like, honestly, I was like, if you told me it was a Renaissance painting before Lady and the Tramp, I would have believed you. If you're like, oh, yeah, Van Gogh made this. And then they adapted it.

I would have been like, oh, yeah, of course. Van Gog's dogs made this. Now, here's the thing about this podcast, right, is this whole week. weekend. I was thinking about this podcast. And I was like, man, I can't wait to see what we talk about on this show because, like, I don't know, I didn't, I thought Andy was going to host it. Because usually when we put things on the calendar, it's whoever's name is first, it's hosting it. Oh, I didn't know that. So I was like, oh, man, let's go. Like, I don't know what this podcast is going to be. I'm excited to be on the train. I'm excited. Yeah, I'm excited to be on this ride.

And then I get here this morning and Greg walks in, like, right before KGD. And he's like, hey, do you want to host this Eldering podcast? And I was like, oh, I thought, Greg was like, oh no, we didn't discuss who's all saying. I was I went to Twitter. I put up a tweet and I was like, what do y'all want us to talk about on an Eldon and Riem podcast? Of course, Super Chats is how you interact with us on shows.

Today's show, you have the option to interact with us via Super Chat. But just for the flow of the show, just to get us some talking points to jump off of, I've reached out to the Twitter streets. And I like this one that I got from couch sports football to start it off, which is, can any of you break down

the story of Eldon? I was just about saying, do you need to do a story recap? Yeah, I'll love, because I've been, for the last week, I've been watching Elder Ring lore videos. Yes. And let me tell you, this Vati video guy, he's pretty good. He's pretty good. I feel like he's going to go places. This guy knows how to convey a story.

He knows how to tell a story. But I imagine, I feel like Tim. There's almost like too much story to like even kind of like break it down, you know. It's like the Bible. It really is. You got a Narc. I'm going to say it. This is going to be controversial.

I'm just going to say it. Better than the Bible? Elder Ring better than Bible. I think so. I think so. I don't know, man. I think so. That's where you headline. Eldon Reagan is better than the Bible?

Let me ask you a question. Are there any dragons in the Bible? No. Huge El, but there's demons, though. Huge L for Christianity there. At one point a dude's dragon ass and he gets killed, you know. Revelation? Revelations.

They go dragon and revelations. I think he comes out of the water at the end, right? That thing is Revelations is some from software shit. Damn, they got dragons in the Bible revelations. But that's just making our point, like the Bible only gets good at the end. Can we be real, though, like, when we talk about just history and how there's like... You have to point so many hours before the Bible gets good. It's like, I can't invest so much time.

If you're talking, depending on the Testament we're talking about, I like the beginning of... I got other religious books I got to start, you know? Like, I can't be putting that much time. See, my... What's up with history drawings always showing dragons? Like, because that's like... Is they real? That makes me feel like...

There was some real dragons out there. Like, why do all these, like, old, you know, drawings on the walls and, in books, all these different cultures are depicting dragons bless, and it's like, they were there. They had to have been there. For sure. Maybe they saw dinosaur fossils, and they were like, oh, man. And then they show up.

You can't just boot it all up right there. It was like a dragon. I don't know. Or they were looking at birds and you're like, what if a bird looks sick as sick as hell, though, you know? My argument for the Bible is, I feel like if from software developed a game based off of the lore of the Bible, it would be pretty sick. Yeah. I feel like the people back then,

like they were looking at birds and someone nearby was inventing metal music at the same time. And they were like, what if? This bird was awesome. They just created dragons. Break down the story.

Does anyone here feel like they can break down the story of Eldon Ring? I can't break down the story, but I can break down my story of Eldon Ring. Because I want to shout out Renata Price formerly of Waypoint and Remap. And the way she talks about existing in Eldon Ring like really inspired me to go back and start up a new game plus

like a year and a half ago to like, you know, first time around it's like, okay, it's all this weird lore shit that's like being dropped in you in like very vague terms. And like by the end of it, I kind of had like an understanding of like what some motivations were mainly because of Andy and, you know,

mainly because of Vati who was telling Andy who would tell me. But there is just something like inspiring about like, I want to like have like my character and like think about their motivation and their personal story and like their relationship to the lands were they as it harnished. Yeah exactly and so I dropped to

trogdor back into New Game Plus and the lands between some call him the Burninator in this story he's just a man and because it was New Game Plus like play through I kind of the story I made up in my head is that he's essentially just the one punch man of this world and he's just looking for a really good fight

and so he's just like kind of trudging along trying to find a fight worthy of him and then he meets this witch name to Ronnie and actually find some friends along the way and it's like oh

this is actually like a cool group of people that I don't want to just fight maybe you know if I help them out they'll lead me to some crazy beast to fight along the way I don't have to just be alone

he's the cop being like I don't need a partner at the beginning and then exactly but then but then the thing awful one is like but you're you're cool yeah you're fucking cool you're fucking

cool as hell. And then he kind of you know, gets feelings for this witch potential goddess, right? As you do. Yeah. For the doll. And so... Yes. And he actually learns that the greatest fight he could have is fighting for her cause to get hurt. Hell yeah.

To, you know, be the leader of the age of stars. And so, you know, he goes on this quest, helps Ronnie out and, you know, that quest kind of ends in tragedy of having to kill his best homie. Is it Blythe? Blithe? Okay.

Um, very tragic, but, you know, then he gets his, like, fucking cool-ass big sword, you know. Um, you wear his head. And so the rest of, uh, trogdor's quest, uh, kind of after kind of wrapping up the, the Ronnie kind of, uh, portion of it is still just kind of like, all right, I'm still looking for a great fight, but now I'm doing it in service of this goddess to make sure, like, like, I didn't care about being a lord. Everybody was trying to put that on me, but now I care about it just to be able to get her to, you know, kind of control.

Yeah. I don't want it. Yeah, to kind of be able to control the future of the lands between. And so that was the quest that Trogdor went on. And then the kind of sad, tragic part about this is that after, you know, he becomes Eldon Lord, makes sure that Ronnie gets her ending. You know, as Eldon Lord, he doesn't really feel the need to rule because he saw kind of the history of, like, other Eldon Lords and just how fucked up the lands between are. And so he feels like his role as Eldon Lord is, kind of just make sure nothing is going to come out from the shadows to try to stop Ronnie's reign.

And so, you know, he was going on, you know, just exploring around, making sure nothing's coming out. And, you know, he's heard about the story of two other beings who were kind of chosen the same time as Ronnie, Mikala and Melania, and decided to finally make his way up to the Hallegettree to make sure that they weren't up to anything. Of course, the Mikola kind of kind of through line. ended short because, you know, he goes to the tower with Moog and, you know, that child is already dead or whatever, but then he, you know, he has this thought about Melania. I got to know what America thinks of all this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

America is like, I'm pulling these people in to possibly become Eldon Lord and fucking trogdador comes through. Yeah, Trigor doesn't give a shit about what America wants. And so, and then... Trogers not going to be a part of your society. Yeah. And then he goes up to Melania, defeats Melania in an hour, by the way. And that was mainly because...

of remembering one Andy Cortez's play through and doing a two-hand big sword because, you know, Tragor really likes the moonlight one and kind of quickly realized that that sword was not doing it with Millennia and then the fucking two-hand big Blythe sword. Oh my gosh, so satisfying.

So that's now the way Tadour plays. Nice. But then, you know, still kind of wandering about the lands between and explores deep underneath the kind of capital. Laine Del. And discovers a creature three fingers. And he doesn't have a good feeling.

And before he's able to attack this creature, it embraces him and marks him and curses him. And he sees this as an ultimate betrayal to his Lord, Ronnie. And he doesn't know what to do. But he hears of a possible cure to cure him of this fate that has been held before. Yeah. Oh, it felt nice. to hear him of this fate and to try to kind of cleanse himself of this betrayal he felt like he was

kind of forced upon and so he then goes along the quest of Millicent of helping out this random woman who's also kind of being fucked up by Scarlet Rot and kind of learns of her story puts together that Millicent is related to Melania in some way, shape, or form and is is kind of saddens when he discovers that she is trying to find Malenian, he's like, oh shit, I killed her already. And so goes along that quest and at the end of that story, you know, Millison kind of sacrifices herself at the end and takes out the unalloyed needle gold.

And Troggdor kind of felt like bad about that because he was like, you know, like I kind of was just like using this girl, but she like, you know, we became friends. and she had this goal, and I had already taken that goal away from her before she even knew it, and now she's dead, but she's given me this cure for this, you know,

this frenzied flame, and that's where Trogdor's story ended. And so now he's just kind of, you know, biding his time before something else comes out of the shadows. So what is Merica up to? What is she doing? Do we want an actual breakdown?

Yeah, I want an actual breakdown of the Eldon Ring story. Okay. Out of God, called the Greater Will. Okay. Outer God. Outer God. What's the outer God? What's the outer God? The greater will. It's called the greater will. Okay. Gotcha. There are many outer gods, like, you know, the formless mother, the greater will is one of them.

Don't have direct impact on the lands between, but sends a vassal beast in his stead, in their stead, wherever this outer god is. And that vassal beast is the elder beast at the end of the game. does a bunch of it and then effectively establishes the Eldon Ring, which is a kind of rule set for the world and it's formed of runes. So like each rule is

represented by a run, let's say. Fundamentals are law of regression, law of causality. Regression being all things returned to one, causality being effectively impact going forward, knock on effect, etc. Those are the fundamentals of the

golden order, which is the religion of that world. Like you pay taxes. Yeah, you gotta pay taxes, can't run a red light. You know? Yeah. Leave the albinorex alone, don't bully them. That's part of the laws as well, but they still get it. So that's the kind of code. The issue is everything is now governed by this one golden order. Effectively, imagine if a single religion took over the entire world. Yeah. And the golden order and the, the golden order and the greater will is now basically, controlling the lives of everyone. Some people love it.

They're well up for it. Like this is cool. Some people... Like, well, I needed this order. I needed to be told to wake up. I needed some stability in my life. Yeah. Yeah.

And some people, like, Frogger's girlfriend, Ronnie, is like, that sucks. I got my own ideas. So a scheme is hatched in which America's firstborn, Godwin the Golden, considered to be next in line

to become the Eldon Lord is killed. he is killed by Rani, who enacts a plot, which involves stealing the ruin of death from the Eldon Ring, which basically means that, and she takes it from, let's say she acquires it and uses it in a blade, and uses it in a way where she can kill Godwin, which is, because it's a demigod doesn't seem possible before then, because of death would have, like, reincarnate, etc., etc., etc., That is like, Marica is very upset by that. It's like the, you know, the first year that the heat lost the finals to the Mavericks,

where it's like, nobody can kill these Mavericks or nobody can kill these heat. And here comes Dirk Novitsky and J.J. Berea. 5'2, by the way, JJ Berea was unbelievable less. Yeah. And then imagine if the follow-up was like they destroyed the NBA Cup. Yeah. And it was like, this sucks. So that's effectively what is known.

Larry O'Brien, L.B. That is known as the shattering. Yeah, okay. And in that shattering, there's now a power struggle. So there's various factors. There's various children of America around. She has a set of children with Godfrey. And by the way, what happened with like stealing the ruin of death?

I mean, there's no way you can die. Exactly. People just are in a constant sort of, there's no, there's no, like, moving on to an afterlife. It's just like weirdest shit out there. Yeah. There is one being that can create, a permanent death, which is Malaketh, the black blade he has, is he's basically Marika's half-brother.

Each of these Imperians, which are next in line to be like Elin-Lord, is given a shadow, which is like their protector. Like a wolf beast. So Rhinis is Blythe. Yeah. Yeah. And Maliketh is Marikas. Yeah.

Maliketh was basically in the execution of that world. And he was in charge of, you know, making sure everyone's... okay and then when the night of black knives happened where godwin was killed he was like damn i screwed up i'm taking this ruin of death and i'm keeping it on me in this sword so he has a black blade which if you are killed by it removes you from the equation you don't get reborn so people fear him um but yeah that's where the ruin of death is the ronis the whole thing was like i need to i want to move away from the golden order and enact the age of stars and uh to do that she enacts this place Every one of the kids has a different motivation.

So for Reichard, for example, he's one of the kids of Marika. His whole thing is like, I'm going to get eaten by a big snake, and then a big snake is going to eat all the other gods. Yeah. And we're going to be number one god. And that's he's... We're just fucking sick, by the way. It's pretty sick, yeah, exactly.

Radan, Radan was a fan of the first elder lord Godfrey. And he was just like, I am. going to learn gravity magic because I'm huge. I'm going to keep my horse. And I want to ride my scrawny little horse named Leonard. And I don't want to crush him. And also...

Leonard, yeah. Wait, really? I thought I thought I was a bit. That's fucking awesome. Let that horse die, man. It looks so miserable. It's so sad. He's in there.

But if you look at him, he's like floating slightly above Leonard. So he's never... He's riding Leonard, but he's not putting his weight on him. Also, he uses gravity magic to basically stop the stars from moving. It's the equivalent of, like, was it Bet Miller who was cloning her dogs? What are these comparisons?

Well, it's like, you know, he doesn't want to let go of Leonard, you know? Leonard by this point should be dead. He'd be crushed under his way. He's like, no, I want this pet to live forever. It's every pug in existence. Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's so fucked up. It just needs to exit the mortal coil by now. He also uses this.

Oh, thank you so much for this, Kevin. So this is kind of like the... Shout out to Andy for sending that over. Yeah, if you're a video watcher right now, Kevin's pulled up, kind of the family tree. kind of Merica and like the elton gods but then like kind of who they give birth to. Okay like so here we have I can break this one down so we have Queen Marica the Eternal. She's the Eldon Lord the Vassal the the God that represents the greater will currently. Okay, he's the final boss.

Yes, kind of her and Radican put together. Her first consort basically her first husband was Godfrey on the left there. He was a warrior. He was like he's the first tarnished. Yeah. So he weighs, he was war for Queen America and the Golden Order to take over the lands between. He killed various... He got into loads of fights

and killed some giants and then it was like no one touches America now. Eventually, once he had fought his final battle and basically vanquished every single foe against him, he lost the golden hue in his eyes, they say, and basically lost the will

and became the first tarnished. So Queen America was like, you get out of here. Get out here, bro. Go and wage wars over the eyes. there somewhere. It's believed, though, that was part of the plan for, as a backup, for, if they ever needed it, the Tonnish could come back and do some shit like drug daughters. Godfrey and Queen America had three kids. Moog, Lord of Blood, Moogh, the Oman King, Godwin

the Golden. Godwin the Golden got shanked immediately. Yeah, we don't see him in the game. He's number one. He, you see a bit of him. He is killed, but the way he's killed, because Ronnie uses the ruin of death to do it, he's killed in spirit, but not body. His body remains. Yes. So he's a, his body is alive. You see him in random fucking places, right? So he, he becomes the source of what is effectively a, like a toxic virus in the world

called death through. Like, he's, he's like, he's the source of that. So she does that to him. And Rani, on the flip side, does the reverse to herself. She kills her body, but keeps her spirit alive. So she can carry on using that weird doll. That's why she instead inhabits a Crohn's doll. Yeah.

So that, what she looks like now is. is actually what her teacher, the old ice frost crown, Renner. Renner. Yeah. Because what she actually looked like was a bit more like her siblings with the red hair. Yeah. So the other two, Morgot and Mogue, are very unfortunate.

They were born omens. Omens are basically, they're like a representation of the, not the god, but like the energy before the Golden Order, the Crucible, which is basically like a melting pot of all different energy. Impure, gross. Yeah, yeah. At the time, nobody thought that. But then Golden Order was like, oh, that shit's gross.

Also, like, this could be a corruption of the crucible's energy. So they are, the omens are actually shunned. So no one... Forced to live under the capital. No one actually knows that Moog or Morgot exist. Because it would be shameful if the queen and the first elder lord gave birth to something that was an abomination. The sad part is Morgot, despite,

being stuffed underground and like kept away from. He's the most like dedicated to the golden order, even though the golden order shuns him and would not like accept him in any way. His mother eventually lets him out and he becomes this kind of Batman of, of the lands between where he, if any, tarnished or starts to rise up in the ranks and looks potentially like they could come, become the elder lord, he appears under the name Margit the fell omen and kills them.

That's his role. And he's also ruling the lands between, but no one knows he exists. He's never out there saying, I'm the way. They call him the veiled monarch of the lands between. So he's out there. He's got a really sad story. He wants to be accepted. No one will ever accept him.

And yet he still tries his best to protect the Golden Order because he believes in it so much. We're just fucking sick. Right or die. The fact that they introduced him as like the first big boss and then, we're full spoilers in the old room by the way people, against you haven't noticed. But yeah,

you get toward the end of the game and he is also one of the final bosses that you're right. Yeah. So the other part is where it gets complicated is after Godfrey is sent away to become the first tarnished,

he is replaced by the second elder lord, Radigan. Kevin, if you want to bring up that graphic again, Radigan is the second elder lord prior to, he was, also married at one point to Queen Rinala on the right.

So they were at war for like, you know, dominance over the lands between. Queen Rinala super powerful mage. Like she basically leads the academy of Rialicaria. She became queen of the Koreans. She's a big deal. It's like if you're doing spell, she's like Donald Duck at the end of Kingdom Hearts Freeway. He does, you know, he does, was it Zeta flare? Fucking spoiler's, bro.

I don't know. Oh, that's what that's... That's something like Dragon Ball's Easter. I never knew why that was the name of the person in our Twitchtime Zetaflare. Yeah, so that's the most powerful spell in the Final Fantasy Disney universe, which means... Put it in the thumbnail also. We're getting... Which means Donald Duck is the most powerful major in those universes.

Damn. Then Donald Duck. Than Donald Duck. Can she say... More powerful than Donald Duck. What about Superman Goku? I think she could take Superman Goku. It's weak against magic, so...

Yeah, I think even all is stopping out. Text here is real small, sorry about that. This is like the extended one. Radigan and Ranala initially were fighting. Eventually, they realized that they fought each other were hot. And we're like, let's just start shagging instead. Yeah.

And so they were like, squash the beef. What's it called? Freaking MCU Shangchi? Yeah. Or they meet each other like fighting in the garden. They're like, kind of want to bang right now. Yeah. So they instead

have a family together. including Rinala. She's one of the children of... Ronnie. Ronnie, sorry. Yeah. She's an imperialian.

The problem we have is once Godfrey is sent away, there's a gap. The other children are General Radan and Reichard. Reichard, yeah. So once Godfrey sent away, there's a power vacuum.

There needs to be a second elder lord. That becomes Radigan. Radigan leaves Ranala one day. heartbroken. She's like she falls apart. She stops being good at magic. She basically... She got home. All the luggage was like fucking gone. Like all her shit was packed up.

Wasn't there like another... Isn't she holding like another child? So the last thing he gives her on his way out is this egg, which is like the egg of rebirth to remember her, him by. And that is what she uses to constantly create these like student kid things. And also it's a excuse to have

the, you know, re-specking mechanic. Like effectively that. So she's heartbroken, she got dumped, she has no idea why. Radigan's like, I'm out, I gotta go, and Queen Marica needs me, I'm gonna go do some stuff there. The twist is, Queen Marica and Radigan are the same person. Yeah. They are the same. Now, it's vague, right? Yeah, it's unclear when, or like if it's always been that they've been the same person. Yeah. They fuck themselves. Yeah, so they've had children separate, they've had children as two people, but one person. Yeah. Marica and Radigan had kids together.

Those are Micula, the Annoid, and Melania, the Severed. And isn't it either theoryed or... Who's the girl that helps you and gives you Torrent? Mel. Oh, yeah. Melanina. Melana. Isn't it... She is possibly the third child of them?

She's possibly the third child. She's also believed to be the Glomide Queen. Really? Yes. So I just learned about this. So I'm very excited. At the end of the flame of frenzy, at the end of the three fingers ending...

Yeah. Which I prevented, because... So when you find the three fingers, she comes up and she's like, don't do this. If you do this, I will hunt you down and kill you. It's the coolest fucking thing in the world. She's like, I know I'm your homie right now, but if you do this, I will find you for the rest of your days. That's fucking awesome.

And if you go through of it, at the end of the game, you see her appear and she opens her other eye. That one's with clothes and it's glom colored. The glow-eyed queen. It's like a purple kind of dust-colored thing. Because glow means dusk, which means like, it's sort of like a purple-ish. bluish hue almost. So the Glomide Queen is believed to be like basically, effectively the god of death before all of this stuff happened.

So she was very, very, very much feared. Like they, she had her and her godskin nobles or godskin, you know the flappy skin people. They would go around, find gods and skin them. So like they were like, if you are afraid of anyone, it's her until Maliketh came along and took her out. So she's believed to be potentially the third one. Because she starts off saying, like, I don't know, my mother gave me my purpose at the earth tree, etc., etc.

I got juicy. That's really good. I didn't know any of that. Yeah. So, um, so Radigan and Queen America is unclear how they are, became the same person. Uh, some people have theorized that, like, they don't know each other exists. They're like two parts of the same, like a different ego. Like in Hancock.

Yeah, some people have said the greater will created a kind of second. I never thought I'd hear of Hancock Reference to get a I mean when you mention it like that Yeah It doesn't work like that Those are two angels

10 out of 10 with these comparisons They're far away from each other So some people think that They are greater will That our God might have like Created a split personality Because Radigan is like I am all for the golden order

So when we see the first trailer He's trying to fix the Eldon ring With his his hammer Whereas it's believed that After the death of Godwin Marika turned She was like I'm done with this

And she destroyed it So that's, some people think it could be a backup plan. What, and I'm, now I'm getting into theory territory. But like, they have, there, we've seen different bodies for Radigan in America, right? Because like, I'm pretty sure about, maybe I'm thinking of the, the newest trailer that came out. Merrick, or I guess Radigan in this case, maybe America, I guess, maybe both has more of like a muscular. I guess there's a body that I've seen that has titties and a body I've seen that doesn't have tithes. They're two different bodies.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Blonde hair holding up the threads in the news trailer. That's America. Could it doesn't have tities. Could be America. Not 100% sure yet.

I mean, I'm pretty sure it's America. You saw it back. Yeah, but like, you zoom in. You saw a side titty. You zoomed in to see if there was titties? Yeah.

I had to know. I was like, is America or Radigan? There's only one way to find out. I love this. Pull up the trailer. I'm on it. It could be, that's believed to be America.

But obviously, like, hair is a different color and, you know, that kind of stuff. her hair is golden in this one obviously but like Radigan's red hair and that kind of stuff so it is belief but like they are believed to have two different bodies um

they have a child they have two children as we know, Mikkela. Mikala was also an Imperian could have been next in line his sister Melania Blade of Mikala never known defeat except for

at the hands of Troggdor um so one hour he was Mikkel was into the Golden Order. He was like, this is sick.

He created Golden Order spells and gave him to his dad, Radigan, up until his sister was infected by another out of God with scarlet rot, which basically rots your body slowly.

At that point, he was like, this sucks. There's no, Golden Order has nothing to save my sister. I'm going, I'm going to figure this out on my own. So he creates a separate tree.

from the Erd Tree, which is the one that you see in the world, which is the representation of the Golden Order, and it's beautiful, and it shines down on us. Think of it as like a giant crucifix basically, like, is the thing. Sorry, to interrupt you. Kevin, if you're looking for the thing, is basically the part where

they're holding down, like, these strands. It's right at the start of the new trailer. It's a story trailer. Yeah, I just liked him. The brand new trailer. Yeah, so, what was that saying? Helect tree. Healych tree.

So he decides, I'm going to make my own tree. I'm going to water it with my own blood. Sick. And that tree is going to become a home, that area is going to become a home for all the outcasts of the Golden Order. We're going to make the old, I'm making my own ord tree. Like, it's wild. It's so sick. So that is home for like the misforgotten and the Omen where, you know, they shunned by everyone else. The Albinorics who were like created as an artificial life form, they will find home there. The problem is, remember the Omen brothers, the twins, Moog and Morgot? Moog was like, I got my own thing going on. I just met this out of God, different one called the formless mother.

Sorry, again, to interrupt. But, like, ain't no teddy. But also, very obviously, America, though, right? Because, like, she's, like, holding off. But also, if you look really closely at the chest area, there's a little bit of something. And also, you know, Tiddy's are different sizes, plus. I did my own analysis. Okay.

And also, we've seen the Titties from the front. I feel like, I'm pretty sure we've seen them. Yeah, yeah, a little bit. But also, yeah, it's America. But she's also stretching, you know. It also might be, it also might be a not a great thing. So the other brother. So we have Morgot who's like veiled king.

He's like keeping the golden order alive. His brother, Mogue is like, I made contact with a different out of our god. Yeah. It's called the formless mother. It is all about blood. Love's blood. Like power and blood is sick as hell. And so he's like, I'm going to create my own thing.

Like the RFK kind of of this election. Like man, why is Robert F. Kennedy fucking, you got a brain in his, you got a worm in his brain? What's going on? So he's like, I'm going to create my own dynasty, the Mowgo-win dynasty. So he's basically like, I'm creating my own esports team. Let's go. And then he goes, to do this, I'm going to go to the Halec tree. Election ends, by the way, bless is like 0.4% of the vote.

It's like, what the fuck are you doing? So he goes to the Halec tree and it's like, to do this, I'm going to steal Mekla and rips Mekla out of the Halecaryl. Takes him to Morghum Palace and is believed to be inside the cocoon. I don't think that's Mekyllar. Arms way too big. I think that's Mesmer. Oh, you think that's Mesmer?

Yeah, I think so. There's also... Do we think that they're like... Is there a possibility because there's the theory that Mikla is also St. Trina in some way, shape or form? Is there a possibility that Mesmer is also

Mikala in some way, shape or form as well? I think Mesmer is another child of Marica that was instrumental to helping her become a god and establish the Golden Order but he did it by effectively being a tyrant and killing off an entire culture of people is what we see in the trailer

and she needed to basically have a clean image of the golden order once all of that was taken over. So once that was done so she was like I'm going to take this portion of the lands between and basically shove it into a different universe because Miyazaki said that the area was rendered from the lens between like a cut off

and so she and in Dark Souls they have constantly, they use this idea of like a separate area that someone is like cursed but also given to like look after. Pocket dimension. Yeah. Kind of in Dark Souls 1, I believe, Gwyn's daughter, Affilioner was like sent to the ringed city and told like, these are the humans. You will look after them.

But actually he'd basically trapped her in an eternal time loop. Yeah, it's like here's the unplug controller. Yeah, exactly. You're playing with the game with me. So this could be a similar situation where she was like, you look after these. You basically like own these lands. and is like she's using it to keep him out of the way. But the Moog is like, I'm going to create my own dynasty,

Nick's Mikkela, and that's where that kind of storyline has kind of suspended itself. The DLC will start at Moguin Palace and go there. This is a game of identities, dual identities. So we have Queen America and Radigan being the same person, basically. We have Ronnie who has like, you know, her body and her spectral form. We got, you know, duality. Yeah, Prater Reichard being,

a snake as well as a dude who got eaten by a snake morga being Batman and then also more got Batman General Radan he was he was super all-powerful he got into a fight well Melania came down during a battle to take him on for some reason it's unclear why and he

fought her to a sand still in the final moments she went super sane but nuclear super sane and she turned into a giant like scarlet rot flower and then used that to kind of destroy that area caleb and that's why it's a poison swine General Rodan

went mad, but he's still powerful enough to hold the stars. So when you find him, he's a lunatic. He has no control of himself.

She ruined all the real estate there. It was crazy. A lot of people mad about, like, man, my fucking property is worth so much. Yeah.

So the dual identity also has a play in potentially Mikala. Mikala is, so far, we only know Mikala, but there's constant

references to a character or a figure named St. Trina, who deals in dreams. So there's a belief that Mikala is also St. Trina And potentially

could have have been orchestrating things through the power of dreams to make things go his way and kind of establish a new order. There's a lot of like, there's a lot of cut content as well that did not make the final game. There was a whole Pokemon side quest thing. Yeah. Like capture dreams and stuff.

What? It's been like datamined by Securo Duby on YouTube. Check out Securo Doobie. And also like Zoli the Witch and Miss Chalice have done like a lot like deeper breakdowns of St. Trina. Yeah, Kuala as well as fantastic. and all looking through what the missions were supposed to be. And there was like a full storyline there that just never...

And we don't know why it got cut. We don't know if it was cut because maybe they didn't have time for development. Or maybe it wasn't fully realized. Or maybe this is like stuff we want to reveal in the DLC, you know. Yeah. So by that point, the tarnish comes into play. Tarnished are you obviously one of the tarnish of Godfrey, who now he...

Once he's kicked out, he took the name Godfrey to seem regal all that kind of stuff. His name is Horilu. He is chieftain of the Badlands. He's basically like an unstoppable warrior. But to make him, Eld and Lord, they need to basically,

you know, high society, he him up a bit. That's why he becomes God-free. So the tarnished is one of the people who are like, you're suddenly, the grace of gold is like,

it comes back to you. You come back to the lands between, a bunch of tarnish, come back to the lands between you're one of them. And the whole game is effectively you fighting your way

to the erd tree capital and to the Eldon Ring to burn the earth tree and see, you know, or make your choice. Yeah, institute your own age. And along the way, you can align yourself with certain people. You can keep it plain

and just be like, fix the Alden Ring. You can go for, you know, Ronnie's side and do like the age of stars. There's a character who's basically a serial killer in the game called the loavesome dung eater. And all he wants is, he wants just everything to be destroyed and rotten and

gross and you could side with him and ruin the world in that way and there's various other ways to kind of change the world to your own liking but that's like me and accidentally give the mind control poison to um oh no uh to what's her face no nefeli lou who was the daughter of horilu um i accidentally gave her the mind control poison is he is she i thought i thought she was i think she might have just been like i'm not sure you might be right but i thought she was just like of the horolew try. Oh, gotcha, gotcha. Okay. And then, yeah, I had to restart the whole play-through when I did that. And it's like the only decent thing that happens in a lot of these games. If you're not familiar with From Software, a lot of tragedy. There's rarely ever like anything shading towards the

positive. There's always like, if anything seems good, there's always a lot of negatives towards whatever the outcome is. It's always going to end up. That's kind of like the basic of it. I don't do mean the basic. A lot. We've been here for 35 minutes. In between there, there's like different characters with smaller moments of the cellibuses in there. Dude, it's been incredible the last week.

Because again, like, I'm somebody who I played fucking 100 hours of Eldon Ring at launch year. I would like take in parts of like the narrative through playing the game, but then also just through seeing general chat. But I never took the time to actually like watch lore videos. And so this second playthrough that I've been doing lately, I've been using this play through as a way to be like, all right, let's get back in the world, let's also watch these videos and do everything. It's so funny going from, like, I've mainly sticking to the

Vati video stuff, going from like his first, like, just Elder Ring lore explained, where he kind goes through all the stuff that you just went through in terms of like, the gods and the demigods relationships and what you're here to do and America's role and everything. You know, I started with that, went to the demigods explained. And I was like, okay, cool, this is different. And then, like, the latest one I jumped to was the, like, just boss fights explained. Or like the bosses explained. And there's some shit in there where I'm like, this is so, disconnected to like the main story and it feels like

there is lore in this game that feels like it exists on its own. There's a YouTube account law account that I like. It's not as well known. It's called the Brothers Code. They released a four hour full storyline like explained it the other

day and it's like a... They already had two in two parts and they just connected them together. So I watched that yesterday and I'd seen the various parts mobile times. But I think right now it's a pretty comprehensive, really good video. It's like the full elder ring story explained. I enjoy Smowtown as well.

Smotown's great. But you know, we made the Bible reference earlier. And I do think that there is some like legitimacy to not that elder rings the Bible, but it feels that way, right? Like, it could be. The Bible too. The amount of like thought and also just the amount of interpretation that you can have to things, I think also just makes this game

special in the way that even as I'm watching different people's lore videos, there was a level of conversation and debate as far as what certain things mean, like even just the main thing of, all right, like, is America and Radigan, are they the same? Are they different? Have they always been the same? When did they become, like, you know, even something as simple as that, which is like a very big thing in the game.

That, I feel like trickles down into many other parts where it is all about kind of your interpretation, which is why I love games like shallow colossus and eco, which effectively do way less with how deep their lore is. But I feel like are similarly designed in a way where they want you to have those discussions. and have those interpretations. Have those interpretations and the way that you project yourself onto it makes it special.

I'm similar to you where like the second play through like definitely like inspired me to go down the rabbit hole and all this stuff and it like gives me like a better appreciation of like the whole kind of conversation back in 2022 of like Eldon Ring being nominated or not nominated for like best story and stuff. It was nominated a lot of people have. Yeah. And I was like no man it fucking deserved that nomination like the amount like the deepness

into everything that's told and just because it's told in kind of vageties doesn't kind of like negate that. I really appreciate it this time around. There's so many stories within that story as well. Like the dragons, for example. Oh, yeah. The giants. The original elder lords, yeah.

Like the giants, the various, the Albinorix is like tragic. Blythe story is tragic. Like he starts to lose his mind at one point and you have to like kill him. And it's wild stuff is happening. But yeah. I always have my mind blown when you first walk out

into the world. Blessing always mentions it as the Breath of the Wild situation walking out of the cave. You walk out, you see all of Limgrave. And having now, you know, I've beat the game once and I did the Ronnie ending. And then I have, I played with Mike and our friend Kevin Ace X quite a bit. And then we have the seamless co-op playthrough that me, Nick, and Mike have been doing as well. And we're hoping to return to very soon. But when you walk out there and you look up at the earth tree and often the day,

distance, you see where the, you see the mountain top of the giants, like, way the fuck out there. It's like, oh my God, that's, that's where, you know, if you take a certain ending, Melina burns her, her ass there. Like, it's just absolutely wild. The, the stuff, the connections that you start making with the world, when all of it just looks like set dressing at a certain point. And it just becomes like, oh, now I know that that's where the, that's where the CVS is. Oh, FD know, like, it's wild. Now that we're out of the narrative. I want to talk about just general Eldon Ring and its quality as a video game. But before we get there, I want to let people know about patreon.com slash kind of funny

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$20 off polarized sunglasses. And we're back. Remember, if you're watching live, you can write in with your super chats. I'm going to get to those in a second. But first, I want to get to the second tweet that I pulled. Which is crazy. During the break, I showed the crew, like, the amount of tweets that I have in this document and the amount of talking points.

We just started off with the first tweet. I have, like, fucking... A lot of story blessed. A lot of lore. I have, like, what, like maybe 15 to 20 in here that we can get to. I have a very important Trigdoor story to tell, you know? Listen, I'm excited to get to. back to chocolate. We needed to take the Bible down a notch.

Yeah. Listen, all right? We got never taken down the Bible. It's a very good story, right? Jesus turned water into wine. It was incredible. He walked on water. You got a guy named Samson. He was, like, building pillars and shit. What was he doing? Dude, imagine sitting down at dinner with the homies, and you're like, look at them. You're like, one of you is going to betray me.

Like, how fucking sick is that, bro? That's my guy. It's patches. Also, Andy, Samson broke down the pillars. Oh, he wasn't building them? No, he broke the, like, he was so strong that he broke the pillars. He probably built him as well. He probably built him.

He was so strong. And like his weakness was that you cut off his hair. So you got to let it grow, Andy. You got to let it grow. Anyway, I want to pull in the second tweet from Stephen Hulse, who said, what would you have scored the base game on the new kind of funny scale? How much have you played since it released? Are your original thoughts how you still feel about the game and how the DLC can improve

any issues you had? Yeah, like when we were planning this episode, originally we were like, oh yeah, we could make this just a review, a 2024 review of Eldon Ring. But then I was brought back to years and years ago, we did our blood-borne definitive podcast. And I kind of wanted to capture that same vibe. But since we're here, and it is 2024 and years after the fact, I do like the idea of a retrospective looking back at Eldon Ring and what it is. Because for me, I guess I can start off, right? Like on the kind of funny scale, I'd give it a 10 out of 10. Depending on how we define our 20-point scale, because I think technically it's a 19 point scale, if I can go 10.5 out of 10, I would go 10.5 out of

10 if I can add that as the 20th thing. Because like, it is everything that I want in a video game and it's so fun looking back at it and where I was at at the beginning versus where I'm at years later because I remember sitting down for our review and we joke about like I gave it a four out of five

at first but like a big part of that was the fact that I was only 20 hours in and like we had had we were given I forget how long you guys had the code. I had the code for like a little bit less time because I got the I think you all had it a decent amount less than me like because one initial code was given out at first to a lot of outlets and I know Tam had one

Enron had one I had one and that's mainly who I was kind of corresponding with Gene Park as well but we had it like I want to say maybe a week longer than you did okay yeah so it was a long time I had like five days with it and I I sometimes get salty at the comments that are like get mad about the four out of five thing because that was very much like oh this isn't the final score This is what Tim was asking me. There's like, if you were to give a score right now, would you give it? I'm like, well, 20 hours in, I'm fucking grinding,

and I'm like not enjoying my time always, so I'd give it a four out of five. Like hours and hours later, looking back at like, you know, let's say like 80 hours later of playing the game, seeing how big it is, seeing like how many boss fights I had to offer. And also I think for me,

the thing that I value so much is like just the design and direction of an open world. Seeing how it is really, you are discovering things at your own pace. There are so many secrets to find. There are so many things to discover. There's so many directions to go.

For me, that is such a special way to go about designing an open world. It's the same reason why I love Breath of the Wilde and Tears of the Kingdom so much is that I love that pace of exploration. And Eldon Ring does that so well alongside how interesting the story is, especially when you dig deep into it. I love the method of storytelling it tells, right? It feels like it's a game narrative. that can only exist as a video game.

There was a conversation last week on KHD because there was a new story about, I think it was from a Neil Druckman interview or maybe it was just Naughty Dog, and they were talking about how they could see getting influenced from like from software or whatever. And I was like, dude,

I think even though I look at a Naughty Dog studio game and I'm like, that's so far from what a from thing is, I think the method of storytelling is something that every studio should look at as far as unearthing details about a world through just exploring things and reading things. And, you know, I don't want to act like from software invented environmental storytelling because they didn't.

But the way they utilize it is so unique. Everything feels purposeful. Everything feels purposeful. Everything feels like there's a deeper story to it. And if you look well enough that you can find that thing. And for me, it remains special. Even as I'm going back, I'm, what, 12 hours into my second playthru so far. And it is so different from my first playthrough just in terms of the things I'm

into. There are so many new things that I didn't find on my first playthrough that I've found so far on my second playthrough 10 hours in. Then I'm like, yeah, this is fucking awesome. So for me, I would give it a 10 out of 10 on the scale. We can go down the thing. Tan, what about you? Yeah, a 10 out of 10. Definitely. I think like, the game came out in, what, 2022? Without exaggeration, I haven't stopped playing that game. Like, I play a minimum of once a week. Sometimes, like, when I'm doing an actual full run-through, I'll play every day for weeks and weeks. So I have not stopped playing that game, and it is baffling to me how it doesn't get boring.

Like, it continues to be, it feels fresh every time. Especially, I mean, like, if you do the same build over and over again, it will get stagnant. Right. But, like, there's so many possible builds that when you come back to it, you can have a completely new experience. You have to rethink about enemies and, and, like, bosses in completely new ways. It's the game that keeps on giving. But, yeah, that kind of longevity is incredibly. rare. Like you, you don't get very much, even open world games, like, I played The Witcher a bunch

times, but even at some point I was like, I'm good now. Yeah. I'm done with that. Whereas they created a game that is, it does what I want out of open world games. I've reached a point now where I don't, I quite dislike open world games that have an aimlessness to it. Or maybe not dislike, maybe like I find them difficult to play. Like, Breath of the Wild and Tears of the kingdom, there's an openness there that is a bit too open for me, if you know what I mean. It's like, I feel like I'm aimless for a lot of times. Whereas this is a game that it gives you the freedom of an open world, but you always know where you're supposed to be going. It's just a matter of can you go there right now? Do you want to go there right now? And because of that, I find it

to be a way more engaging experience for me. And I don't think there's very many games that do that. There's not a lot of open world games that make you feel like you're playing a curated experience in the same way. It feels like we create a bunch of open-ended systems and they're so open-ended that you can do whatever you want. Go for it. Whereas this feels like, no, we created specific systems and ideas that we've now put into an open world experience and injected with freedom. But you won't feel like you have to make your own fun at any point. Yeah. It is still very designed. It's very designed, which is what I like. It's not like, here's a toolbox, figure some stuff out, which is like that ain't for me.

It's like, here is the story, here is the gameplay, and now you're free to do what you want. But when you come back to this path, you'll have a very curated, directed experience of waiting for you. And it just keeps... Ages like a fine whine. Like, every time I play it, I'm like, damn, this is... This is still a 10 out of 10 game.

Barrett. Yeah, this is an interesting... Like, I think... I didn't give it a score or review it when it originally came out. I think at the time, like Eldon Ring was the first from soft game I had actually rolled credits on because I'd tried a bunch of them and like never really you know there was always one boss where I'm like fuck and this is all I can do or

you know bloodborne where it's like oh I got to go grind out for bullets and health and shit again before I can take on this boss again and so with that like I really really enjoyed Eldon Ring the first time around I think at the time I probably would have given it an 8.5 just because at the time with that being my first from software game It was like I had a very, very barely scratching the surface level understanding of the story and the lore, how it was telling the story. And then the systems as well, you know, I was one of those people. It was like, all right, where's the easy fucking grind spot?

And then doing a lot of that because I didn't have confidence in myself as a player to like really get in and like be confident and just like go after bosses. To be fair, my second plate to currently, I went back to the same grind spot. Oh, see, I was on that hill five those giants. And so going back the second time around because I was grinding so much the first time around and I was doing like this recent

playthrough was my new game plus play through like I was not doing any of that and so it was like this new level of appreciation of you know of course watching the Vati video stuff and then like actually like because I had experienced the story like the first time around and had like a very basic

understanding of things like actually paying attention to what's being said what notes are saying and like kind of understanding more of the lore, but then also because I didn't feel like I was like needing to grind, experimenting a bit more, like, getting into more of like the heavy type of strength builds and shit like that. There's just like a new appreciation and understanding where like it was most, it was like near the end of my play through. And it was after Malakith, which I will say is like I still think is like my number one like fuck you dude in that game because he is such a bitch. I don't really have like any like complaints about so like yeah of course like today I like a 10 out of 10 masterpiece like I don't I have I've no thing to ding it for you know it's just like a masterclass in open world design in storytelling and just like actual like physics and fighting and stuff like the the gameplay I've always appreciated from from soft and I think this time around not having to worry about like I should get my health up to a certain extent so I can maybe survive in this boss fight. it was actually appreciating how those boss fights were designed, except for Maliketh, because he sucks.

The only boss, like, I had more struggle this time around still with Maliketh than I did Malenia. It's insane. And even, like, finally taking on Malania. Like, I had never fought her in my first play-through and, like, going through the Hallig tree and seeing how that, like, this area that is so separate from the rest of the game and, like, appreciating the level design there as well, which felt like a more, like, kind of linear, old school, like, dark. soul's game. It was so fucking rad. And yeah, like, there's some enemy types that, like, I

struggle with, and that's, like, I don't know. I have nothing, like, negative really to say about it. So, yeah, it's a masterpiece, I think, is what our 10 is. Yeah. Andy Cortez. Yeah, I'm the saying. This is, like, one, probably my favorite video game of all time. And, like, I, but the thing is, for me, the 10,

it really reminds me of when Roger reviewed Animal well recently and was like this is a 10 out of 10 masterpiece it's not a perfect game and immediately a lot of people were like not a perfect game but it's a 10 out of 10 what the fuck and like there is no such thing it's perfect I think because we

I think because the way that we operate here are kind of funny I I try to just fully review stuff on a personal sort of basis like rather than what the game should be doing for the general audience is

game working for me is kind of like the way I think about game reviews and scores and things like that. And like, yeah, this game can fix a lot of things, I think. Like this is not a perfect game. There's issues that I have with the inventory management and systems and little annoying things that happen when you open a stone sword door and the message still stays up. And it's like, why can I attack? Oh, I need to hit Y to push it away, but it doesn't tell me to hit Y. how many times this happened so far. There's a lot of annoying little shit like that, right?

Like, the game doesn't run particularly amazing in a lot of areas. My beefy PC that can do full path tracing fucking, uh, cyberpunk 277 shit. Like runs fine on the PS5. Well, you know, I can get 60 phrase per second, you know, um, but you know, PS5 you're running at a what, like 600 p or something like that, right? Um, like, you know, there's still a lot of issues with optimization and stuff like that, you know, and I don't think Trump's ever been particularly great with. optimizing their games and making them like just flawless engines.

But it's still a 10 out of 10 for me because all of the amazing stuff just I don't, if I, you know, fucking got stopped by a cop on a way to go see the Aurora Borealis, I wouldn't say that my experience was lessened by seeing this beautiful magic of fucking, holy shit, look how amazing this thing is in the sky. But I did get stopped by the cop. Like all those little tiny things that I can ding it for don't bother me as much when I think about how amazing and how floored I am by the rest of everything else. The discovery, the, um, I need to go there and I'm going to get stopped about 10 different times by 10 different things. Again, this is my like fourth time playing through.

And I, it's wild to me that I'm still finding NPCs in weird areas. I didn't know you spawned here. What the hell is that? And having these different, like, conversations with, with random people that I know, like, oh, shit, I did this in a weird order. So now this person is at the roundtable right now. And I can now progress. Like, all of that stuff is so amazing. I, this time around with the play-through that I'm getting ready for for Erd Tree, because I wanted to start new.

I didn't want to do new game plus. You should not do a new game plus for. Yeah. You've got a new game plus character going into the Oc. I'm going to do it. I just want to also start a new character to say, like, just. get back in the vibe and get back in the world. Tragdor can do it.

And there was a part of me that was worried about it. There was somebody in my chat yesterday that was like, it's wild, like how much I love the Ledering, but I don't have like a whole lot of motivation to go back to it. And I saw that comment, and I vibed with it so hard. And I was like, hey, I felt the exact same way. And then I was like, what if I just start a new game and like just kind of see how things go?

And then suddenly four hours there you're like, I'm just in the world again. You're back in the magic. I already killed Godrick and here, you're like, it's, it just, it sucks you in with all of its, um, with all of its immersion with characters and lore and writing. I think it's just like, it's such a masterpiece. That's my thing is like, a lot of the same complaints I had when I first picked up the game are still there. But it is the more and more I played it, the more and more, it's like, the more and more I found things to love about the game that made those other things feel like they're non-consequential. I still have, I still hold the same things about tutorialization and how like, I'm like, man, I feel like from soft can still do a lot better things when it comes to teaching people how to play the game. And I understand what they're doing with mystery and stuff like that. But I'm also like, oh, man, accessibility. I feel like it's still an important factor that can be factored in here. But I'm with you as far as like what a what a 10 out of 10 means to me. Where I don't, I don't believe that there's any perfect game. No, no piece of art aims to be perfect. Art is made to evoke emotion out of you. And that's still.

what video games are, even though they're in a technology space. I think there are only two perfect video games. There are Tetris and Inside. And maybe Celeste. Celeste might be the third one. Well, like, you know, there are 30 games like more than Inside, even if I call that a perfect game. There are so many games I love more than Tetris, even if I called it perfect. Such a simple thing that people, I think, willfully miss and choose not to accept.

It's like, when something gets a 10 out of 10, it doesn't mean it's perfect. The game spot, for example, scale, it literally says essential. It doesn't say perfect. You're saying, this is a game that you should play if you like video games and try it. It doesn't mean it's like flawless. That's not the case. It's like I constantly get shit for giving Death Loop a 10 out of 10. I didn't say Death Loop was perfect.

I think it's a very, very interesting, very well-executed game that I think is essential for a lot of people to play. Again, same thing. To evoke that out of you as being a piece of part. And it's not perfect. It's just something that you as a fan of video games show. should check out. I always think about a Game of the Year podcast of 2022, where Janet was talking about, like,

you know, the tutorial and like the guy at the beginning told me, like, to jump down the hole. I didn't want, I was like, Janet, jump down the fucking hole. You've been playing for eight minutes. Jump down the fucking hole, Janet. My head can't know for me when I think of it. When I'm giving something a 10 out of 10, and this is more personal, right, is I'm like,

do I hold this up there with my favorite, games ever, right? Do I hold this up with a Mario 64 or a Mario 3 or Mario Bros. Or a Mario or a Mario Odyssey? Like, do I hold this up there with games that I dee my favorite ever? I would give this a 10 but it's still like

it's probably down in like the 30s or 40s of like my top 100 games. Like Armored Core 6 is higher than Elden Ring and I would say Eldon Ring is I think more of a masterpiece of a game but fucking Armored Core 6 though I mean Armourcour 6 foot. Did you all watch that 5 and a half hour Vati video? I would do. I

I've got it loaded up. I'm so tempted. I can't wait to understand what's going on in our record. Incredible. It's so good. One thing I wanted to mention about this most recent play-through is I became a little disgusting bleed boy. Became a little blood boy.

Just like me for a... I always wanted to... I've always been the strength, gigantic sword, axe hammer, whatever the hell it is. I understand now. Like, why it's so fucking sad. It's awesome. But then I, when I played Dark So, three for the first time last year, I finally decided, like, let me try decks.

You know, people were telling me to use the Uchigatana, but I ended up finding a sword called the Euryothel sword, and it's an ice sword that has a very similar bleed prok. By the way, do you know what proxans for? Shout to whoever shot of this procrastinate. Proximity. Somebody told me this in my Twitch chat. It's programmed random occurrence. So whenever you're slashing with your bleed sword and then you get a big bleed, like,

you know, like a damage hit. on them, that's called like when you, the bleed is procking right there. You propped bleed right there. I don't like how that sounds. Yeah. I mean, you just prock that guy. Well, I got like prock and enrolling. You got your sword and you prock the fuck out of that box.

I prock and roll. So when I had that ice sword in Dark Souls 3, I'd have a similar thing. I was like, I really like this, you know, I was always like my swings with my weapon need to take at least three minutes, right? Like, that's how long it takes to wind up a goddamn weapon with the big heavy weapons.

but I had the smallest sword and I was getting more hits in I was like man I really like the way this feels so I knew I wanted to try out decks for my my real like playthrough getting like the real canon going for me and my new character and I went I've been going bleed with it and because when you're going with the bleed build which means that you're using like sort of magic ability there's a there's a thing that I had in my mind when I was creating my strength character early. on, which is like, no, I don't want to use that weapon. Because, like, my, the strength on my weapon and the hits that I'm doing damage-wise, it says, like, 200 strength. That sort only does 100 strength. But that sort also did 100 intellect damage, which I didn't really, like, fully understand. And, you know, the concept of level scaling in this game can be kind of tough if you've never played a from software game.

But once I sort of got past that, you know, I'm putting points into dexterity. for the speed of the weapons that I'm using. I'm putting points into vigor, which is your strength, or your health, rather. Stamina, of course, endurance. And then I'm putting points into arcane. And arcane is what you use to get more bleed, more bleed like, you know, prock or whatever.

But the, another neat thing that Arcane does, a lot of these, like, abilities have secondary little buffs, right? And Arcane boosts your discovery. And the higher your discovery, the more shit you find. And because I'm going arcane, I'm like, dude, I am finding, I've been finding so many extra weapons and armor pieces that I never got to because my discovery was never high because I never touched Arcane because my arcane was always like at an 11 when you start off the game.

And now it's at 35. And I'm finding so much cool shit and so much rare shit is dropping all the time. I was, I've been blown away by this most recent play. because I'm getting so many cool things that I had never seen drop in any of the other playthrus I'd done. It is so fucking satisfying. And again, like Tam mentioned,

it's the game that keeps on giving. You're going to keep on discovering new things. My Xbox playthrough with Snowbike Mike is probably like 70 hours. I'm about 460 hours on PC through all the different playthrus. A couple of those hours were for creating Lil Nas X

and who else did I create for a blessing in your black hair in video games blessing show episode oh um fuck i forget who it was it wasn't like no it wasn't blessing him me up because somebody doesn't want to say kevin hard i know it wasn't kevin i was like can you make uh little nazex with an emo haircut in ellen ring oh baby keem baby keem yeah uh and uh yeah so like a couple hours were there just making those characters but like it's the game it keeps on giving it's so fantastic and i played so much of it over the weekend on steam deck and I had no idea

it ran that well on Steam deck what a great fucking little game this is man you want to hear about the ultimate degenerate play through that I just did oh gosh

oh no you're moving just like a degenerate how your antics are looking to taste I'm moving real nasty I installed a mod called a map for goblins oh yeah

and it puts every single item in the game on the map like everything when you open the map it like my computer hitches and then you open it up and then it's just pure

icons top to bottom. Jesus. I just went like a Ubisoft game. I just went from one side to the other, collecting every single little thing. I ended up, I ended up referencing the IGN interactive map, which has helped me a lot because I'm trying to take the most efficient route. Like, I want to, it's so hard to not want to do

everything, though, in this game. Right. And not want to do every little tiny ruins or dungeon or cave or whatever. But the IGN maps been helping me out a lot finding all of the extra golden seeds and all of these super essential talismans, which are essentially the little add-on perks that you, you know,

this helps its stamina recovery. Look at that. Ugh. That is, that is one's talking about. Oh, baby. I have cleared that. You're nasty.

I'm going into the DLC with every single item. It's like fucking. I've got everything, every spell, every piece of armor, every talisman, every weapon. But on the, on the IGN map, I definitely like,

you can, you know, you can make all these, filter all these things and have only certain icons visible. It's such a great time. There's also a very, very good website, and I'm going to blink on it again, because I always do.

But it is an Eldenring NPC checklist. Bonermonger.com. I don't know if she doesn't work. Greg didn't renew that. Greg didn't renew that. There's a website that I hope somebody in the chat can help out with, possibly in the comments. Is it like the quest tracker thing?

Yeah, it's a way to like make sure you're talking to all the NPCs and forwarding their quest in the right way. I use a checklist for that. Yeah, because of how the, you know, from software's vague nature, you don't see an exclamation point pop up and say like, oh, I got to go back to talk to that MPC. Whenever you, you always want to talk to them

as much as possible for any first-time players. Yeah. And once they start repeating. Yeah. And then sometimes you sit down to the bonfire next to them and you sit back up and they got new shit to say. And you're like kind of forwarding the story that way. So there's a roundtable, yeah,

maybe the roundtable hold one. that people are putting it. I actually don't think it was that one, but that one probably does the same thing. But yeah, this is a good way to kind of go through and make sure you're talking to all the characters wherever they spawn in the right moments.

Oh, this is the one actually. Yeah, this is, yeah, roundtable. Roundtable.orgon.com. Very, very good, super helpful. Shout out to the people in chat. They're helping me out with this. Top sloth, I believe. If you just like Google,

Ellen Ring checklist, there's someone that's made like websites. And I think there's a, not PDF, a like spreadsheet as well, where it would just tell you from the beginning, do this, do this, this, this, this and this. So that you have the complete experience the entire way. And it's really fun if you like picking stuff off. Like, yeah, there you go. It's like that. Nice.

So good. Dude, I had the, I had the craziest question asked to me in the chat that I hadn't even considered about going into the DLC, you know? Oh, that. And it was. I know what you're about to say. Are should you kill Malania before you go to the DLC? Oh, oh, fuck. And I was like, oh, my God.

Wait, this is another interesting one. It's like, should I have finished the game before going into the DLC? Like getting the ending? Because there's a pot, like, I don't know if this is confirmed or anything, but, you know, it's like, you know, what if the DLC, like, gives another ending? Because is that how other FromSoft games have worked? No, other from software games, at least Dark Souls 3, which is I imagine what they're probably to be going through.

Those are all like pocket dimension. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Darkseau 3 has a definitive end to the entire Dark Souls franchise. Gotcha. So it, but it doesn't like add a new ending. I think they've actually, I don't know if they actually said that it doesn't give you a new ending. I know the only like requirements are you need to have defeated Redon and Moog.

Gotcha. Those are the two minimums that you have to do to get into the new area. Redone because you need. I'm just, I'm worried if like, like, what if you've done too much and then it's like, no, I think, I think the idea is like, like, you can. You can take a character that you've done just before, like, remaking the repairing the Eldon Ring and just go back and do whatever you want.

I have a very good Twitter thread that I wanted to read real quick, because this question gets asked a lot by people that are brand new to Eldon Ring and, you know, maybe are aware of Game of Thrones and George R.R. Martin, the question is always asked, like, what did George R.R. Martin do? And there was a very good thread by Lil Church, Lourch, little church lore on Twitter.

Kind of like a little five-tweet thread, encompassing all the stuff with sources and sightings from all the different articles of what George R.R. Martin did in the world. The concept of the shadow of the earth tree was conceived and written by George. The concept served as the original mythos for From Software and Hitake Miyazaki to build upon. Martin created the core mythology, history, history, history, and history, history, and history, says Miyazaki. on the Fimitsu article. Martin wrote the main characters, the demigods. One main theme of the main bosses of the game in particular are that, this is a quote by the way, from Miyazaki,

are that they are essentially demigods and characters who are written again by George R. Martin. Martin contributed to the unique plots and motifs such as character conflicts, parent-child relationships that Miyazaki says were implemented in game, and finally, he coined the name the Lands Between. The Lands Between is a name that was invented

by George R.R. Martin himself, when he was coming up with the impetus for the world and writing its history and its deep mythos. Now, I want to jump in. I want to bring in some super chats because I've been sitting on these for a bit. Shout out to Mara who writes in and says, shout out to Fia, Godwin, and Litch Dragon, Fortisax.

Hashtaghtag, Duskborn, best ending. What about Plexigobar? That's Pesuosax. I love that, dude. Is that the... Far Muzula. That was a crazy fucking fight. Joshi G. writes in and says,

there's a lot of Norse mythology connections. Godwin is similar to Balder. When Godwin dies, the shattering happens. Ragnarok happens when Balder dies. Sick. Yep. Let's see. Owenus Prime writes in and says, you Eldon Kings dropped this and he gives like a crown emoji.

Said we drop our crowns. Oh, thank you. And then I have quite a few questions here in Super Chats that we can treat as quick hits. Bobby Joe says, Speculation for the DLC. This game pulls inspiration from Berserk. In a new key art for the DLC,

there's a character that looks just like Griffith. What's the name? The character looks like Griffith. I think is Mikkelah. The more important thing is like the more obvious Berserk references were constantly shown a group of MPCs.

They're like together, which I think could be a standing for the band of Hawks, which is like in the first arc of Berserk, Guts joins like a band of mercenaries led by Griffith and eventually they are all betrayed. Still not done with the DVDs, by the way. I started playing Eldon Ring. Yeah.

But then yeah, Bobby Joe then ends and says, what if they recreate the big sacrifice that upgrades Griffith for the DLC? I think they might. I think they might. And speaking of the DLC., I also want to bring in one of the tweets that I had here from C.J. Freddie, who gives like a bulletless point of things, right? But like, they say personal boss rankings, maybe a top five for each.

We don't need to do that. Maybe you can mention your favorite boss if you want to you. I don't have time to be like one of my favorite top five bosses. Right card number one for me. But they also say final boss predictions for the DLC, which I think is interesting. Because not to be. Mesmer?

I would imagine Mesmer is like the obvious teased ones. But like I don't think it's maybe Mickelah. Maybe it depends on if you've killed Malini or not.

I don't think Mesmer will even be the hardest boss. Really? Yeah. I feel like there's going to be an because they mentioned

what did they what did that article said there was like six or seven bosses? Something about that. Yeah. There was an interview with Miyazaki recently.

I think so yeah. That was like 10 bosses. Oh, it might be 10. Yeah, you're right. You're right. That's the whole number.

I think that the boss, I, if I had to guess, if I had to put money on something, I would say it would be, first phase is mesmer, second phase is Mikala and Mesma at the same time.

Oh, like the twin princess from Dark Souls 3. Oh shit. What about, like, do we think Melana's gonna come, uh, loop back into the story whatsoever?

Yeah, I think she's gonna be pretty important because they, uh, yeah, I mean, the in the new trailer they use the gloom color quite a bit and if it turns out she used the glomide queen

do you think she could be uh potentially yeah potentially like reveal herself and then possibly that's where we end maybe i i mean the glom references also feel very st trina is though yeah st trina is definitely she's basically they show the lily thing and mickler falling name is lily uh i got one from onus prime here who says for those of us starting this is a super chat for those of us starting the

DLC through our New Game Plus save, will it be too hard? I'm no stranger to Souls games, but never really go back for DLC. Yeah, so what's the, is it always super tough for DLC for Souls games? Usually like if you go into it New Game Plus, the combination of it being tougher because of the New Game Plus and also the lack of your own kind of understanding of the bosses as well. Right. It can make it frustrating because in the original version, you're getting killed.

New Game Plus isn't super tricky, but it's the fact. that you know how to beat all these bosses and where to go that brings that kind of comfortability to it. Imagine fighting a hard boss and then constantly being killed before you can really ascertain any information. They already have a leg up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think like it can be

frustrating for a lot of people. But if you're into that, like, then fine. Dragdoor can do it, I believe. Yeah, I believe. Frogdor's got this, bro. And then one from Calvin Perez. This is going back to the narrative conversation. How hard is this to figure out just by playing the game? I'm like 60 to 70% through and it missed a lot

of this. Don't worry, you're supposed to. Yeah, I mean, like, you can, first time through, you just have to spend a lot of time reading things, and it's a cliche at the moment, like, the story is the one that you fill in between the gaps. You get more out of it, the more you put into it. That's why I kind of like hearing Barrett, like,

talk about the way he played the game toward the beginning, because I think for most people playing through... Yeah, like, my first time through, it was like, I'm just playing it to just, like, have an understanding of, like, the open world design, not really thinking about the story and characters. So that's why it was like, it was such a fun experience to again, like, be inspired by by Wren and like actually like try to live in this world and think about character motivations and relationships and all that stuff. It's, it was really fun.

Yeah, chances are like if you're playing first time through, your goal is just to finish the game and you will get a story. And it's actually like I personally feel like it's more impactful when you go through it and then either watch videos or like start making the connections yourself to be like, oh, that character meant this or that character did this or that character was going through this. It kind of like deepens your appreciation for the stuff that's in the game so that when you

if you decide to go back, you have a much better understanding and you can appreciate the world around you a bit better. Or you just fall into that well of like, I'm going to see how other people interpret all this stuff. There's no no one goes through a From Software game and comes out the other side with a perfect understanding. Otherwise, entire YouTube channels and companies

like RKG wouldn't exist. Right. because it's too closed off. That open-endousness is important to the games that they make. Yeah, I especially love the lore videos that explain the random details of the world design and being like, well, there are Trina's Lilies, who is the arbiter of sleep essentially around this area because they played a big part in this moment. And you don't see any other Trina's Lilies around, except. for in near that tree or whatever or the one of the coolest details i think is like the big

one of the big enemy crab dudes that has like all these gross misdiscurations because it's been eating the soil from where a bunch of death rot was because of like where godwin was murdered and that's where like the death route kind of just made its way to the surface of the planet of the lands between and this big crab looks like that because it's been eating all that death through it

and no other crab looks like that and there's just like so much cool little details like that and it gives me such a massive appreciation for all of the thought put into it where every item not every item not every asset,

not every 3D pill not every pillar on the wall is like going to mean something but there's a much higher likelihood that there is and I think back to my small, working on a fantasy game.

And I'll just put in fucking whatever looked cool in the world. Yeah, I made this statue. That shit looks sick. Put it here. But when you read the lore breakdowns of like, oh, well, that person holding that person, that's Micola and Melania.

And then in this other statue, there's a third one and that's Godwin or whatever possibly. Like, there's so many cool little things like that that you can just run by the ETH or think or set dressing, but it's all done so purposefully. My favorite current thing is, I believe it's in Moguin Palace.

There's a statue of an old man. He's like really big statues, holding a book. He's got really long hair that no one has any idea what the hell that dude is. And people are starting to theorize that he could be important in the DLC. And his name is Eldon John.

Yeah. That's the nickname everybody's giving him. They've named him Eldon John. Everyone's named him, Elton John. Like there was a character like that. No, one of the funny names like that from Dark Souls one was John Dark Soul.

Yeah. So Eldon John and Doggson. What's the horse's fucking name again? Leonard? God. Yeah, let's go. I'm excited to see what happens with Eldon John. There was a dude in the, I mean, in the cut content from the St. Trina storyline where you're

learning about Michaela's alter ego St. Trina and going into the dreams. It was a character named Rico. Oh, it was fucking Rico who's this guy? But it ended up, it was spelled like fantastical and cool. I thought it was just R-I-C-O, like a dude named fucking RICO Benavitis. Y, K. Some R-E-O-I-K. I went to geometry class with or something.

Before we get out of here, I want to pull in a couple last questions from C.J. Freddie. If this is the end for Eldon Ring, being the DLC, what do you want from from software next? And then also, can a DLC finally be Game of the Year? Yes, it can. Oh, yes. Game of the Year

is not a place. It's a people. Yeah, Game of year is not a real thing. But also, listen, chat, people watching, viewers, listeners. Let's take a breath. If you're somebody who's been like, oh man, it can't be game of the year. It's early access or, man, it can't be game of the year. It's DLC.

Ooh, man. You got a year ahead of you. We have to have a conversation at one point about Hades 2 because like, the conversation is going to be Hades 2. Hades 2. It's going to be Hades 2. It's going to be Hades 2 versus Eldon and Ring Shadow of the Earth tree most likely this year. And Final Fane's the 7

rebirth. And so let's gear up for Duck Detective. I'm sorry, Duck Detective. I'm sorry, Duck Detective. I'm sorry, Animalwell. Yeah, if there's a... I'm sorry, Bloc. For me, it's like, Blotcher's top three. If a four to five hours small game can

just because it came out this year be a game of the year, why can't a 30-hour DLC? Okay, first of all, Hull Blade is six hours at least. So let's fucking calm that down. That's true, that's true. I mean, that's how I felt about

cyberpunk last year. It's like, what a magical experience that was. Yeah, cyberpunk was in a lot of list. I think it was in our list as well. Yeah, but I think... Yeah, it was a top time. Yeah, I mean, like, we've, on our side, we've never, we generally haven't had, like,

early access games be legible for eligible for game of the year but in this day and age like that was early days of early access when we started making that decision now it's like we have to like rethink that stuff every year we like reassess case like spaces yeah every year before the game of year happens yeah I sit down with people I mean like

where are we at with this stuff are we trying to rethink this and I think more recently I've been leaning towards if the game is out there and it's you know it's amazing even if a unfinished game is so good that you're potentially bringing it up as a game of the air contender, it probably should be there. I think it has a good chance to be

number two again. What's number one? I don't know. It's going to be a game that's on all of our lists. Yeah, it's going to be a first party title that everybody,

but like what is the, but I think this year doesn't have a god of war, like the closest we have is Final Fantasy. I don't even know I think. That's the thing is like,

is it going to be Indiana Jones? Is it going to be metaphor refantadio? I mean, it's going to be on a couple. That's the thing is, like, I go down the list of games that are coming out this year. And I can see games being on some of our list. There's not that clear God of War, Ragnar-Ragnar-style.

There's a little Spider-Man, too, sort of everybody played this game. Now, to address the, what I want next from Software, I hope, and they've already mentioned and kind of hinted at, you know, Miyazaki was like, hey, we love armored core. We want to make more armored core. That shit was awesome. We feel like we could make that experience even better. more armor core sounds amazing I would love some sort of follow-up or just like

I'm not asking for Sekiro too but I kind of am I am like but like I don't need more about the wolf like if it's just like hey it's in the world it's the same fighting style

it's just everything is upgraded and you know everything is new I'm totally I want that like some kind of spiritual successor to Seckerot would be it doesn't have to be the same world doesn't have to be the same IP

it's not like I'm like I got it I need more of this story whatever, like, it's not one of those situations, just like, make another one of that things. I need more of that combat and more of that feel. Also, had such a good feel to it. I think we need to be very definitive about something right here. I, I've been, I've been kind of wondering how to even address this, because this is, like, a big deal. Like Ron Burgundy.

How, what, what do we call on a Perry these days? Huh. Oh, man. Because here's a thing. I think Blood War, or not Blood War, sorry, Sekiro's thing is, I, I, call that a parry. Yes, parry. I know it's probably technically a deflect in your mind, right? Like,

I'm getting closer and closer to because like I often get asked the question, like, when I, you know, if Liza P, Sekiro, and even something like Seller Blade have a similar Perry deflected mechanic. Right? But when I think of

the way Dark Souls is, when I think of even something like Bloodborn, Eldon Ring, it's deliberately a very different action and mechanic that's happening. You aren't trying to build up a stagger bar. It is a single attack coming at you, and if you time that you're right, boom,

they're going to fall to their knee. You can go for a critical hit. What if you call that a repost? No, repost is going back in, right? Yeah. I feel like deflect in my mind, I use it on anything that's a projectile. Sending back a projectile.

Either send it back or, like, push away. Parry is something that is like physically coming towards you and then you like negate it and then you can repost or you can do whatever I feel like... You're right because the first time I heard Perry was Justin Wong and Daigo Umahara

Street Fire Street Fighter. Like that's the first time I heard of that move in a video game of like this is so amazing because he is paring every attack there which is like not the way I think of Perry necessarily right right now, but it is the way that I think of it in Sekiro and Liza P and Seller Blade where if an enemy comes at you with a five-hit combo that goes, dun, dun, dun, dun,

and you have to go, ding, ding, ding, and it becomes a rhythm game in that sort of way. It's a very different mechanic of a way to do things because you're not just like, boom, motherfucker, here you go, fall to your knee, let me crit you. I feel like the one qualification I have for my one is if the projectile is like removed, that counts as a parry for me. For example, like, by my definition of, like... A projectile or sword as well? I think projectile only.

So, like, I said a deflect is when a projectile is coming towards you and you redirect it. That wouldn't work for Street Fighter because a Hodokin is a projectile, but I think for me it works because when you parry it, it disappears. Negates it. It's gone completely.

So the damage is removed. Can I bring in Marion Webster into the mix? No. Of course. Because the dictionary definition... What's up, Mary? Of Perry from Merriam Webster. How much was the Super Chat, by the way?

I'm, this is a free one. I'm getting it for free. Lept us $30. And Webster on YouTube. To ward off a weapon or blow. And then I also have a Wikipedia article that has Perry as the fencing term, which is a Perry is a fencing blade work maneuver intended to deflect or block an incoming attack. Okay.

So in the context of fencing, I think the second. definition of like a deflect would count as well as a Perry. Should we call it like Securo Perry and other... Yeah, we're going to have different types of Perry. See, for me, when I think about... Kevin and Perry. Huh? Kevin and Perry was our...

Dash and Perry was our... Are you Dash or am I, I, I think I'm Dash... Dash Henderson and you're Perry Sanders. Perry the platypus. Yeah. So I just wanted to kind of get that out of the way. Because often whenever there's a new Soulslike,

and everybody gets mad at me when I just lump in a lot of games in the Soulslike, I understand. It's very overpopulated and games are constantly changing and adding new things to kind of change and find a different, something to differentiate themselves from other games in the genre. But when there's a new game, I always get asked a question, how's the Perry feel? And I always have to be like, well, it's more like a Sekiro, Liza P. Perry, as opposed to, you know, the enemy at Bloodborns coming at you and you shoot them right when they attack you and they fall to their knee and you're going for the crit. My thing is, I kind of lump them, both of those are Perry's, right? And I kind of kind of lump them to the same thing, which is I like that mechanic period. Oh, for sure. Like at times, somebody is attacking me at a time a button press to their hit. For me, across the board, I love that. I love it.

But in Lise of P or in Securo or in a Siller Blade, the enemy isn't being rendered useless after a parry. Unless they're stagger meters all the way built. Like, they'll attack you and you'll deflect it and they'll do shit. They just keep on attacking you or whatever. But like, when you nail a Perry, which by the way, I've been using the buckler Perry Shield. Good. And then I bought carrying retaliation, which is an ash of war that you could put on to any shield, either a smaller or medium shield in Eldon Ring.

Carrying retaliation is mainly a magic move that you can deflect magic spells, but it also just makes your deflection way faster. It makes the animation way faster. And people broke down the amount of frame forgiveness you're given for the Perry stuff. And like, the reason pairing in Elder Ring feels so shit is because pairing in Dark Souls 1 was amazing and super easy. And then the game, they made it harder to go along where like you have to do it way earlier because your shield has to meet the attack at the top. Yeah. Right?

To like, in order to fully negate that attack or whatever, people made charts of like, the medium shield has this many frames of parry frames timing. And then the small shield is this less or more, right? You have more forgiveness. it's a faster perry animation. The buckler shield, the buckler parry, which is its own special thing, even better.

You can deflect so many, and parry so many attacks way easier. And then carry in retaliation is an ash of war item that you put on a shield. And, dude, I am parrying everything.

The game fucking kicks ass. I parried Margaret the fucking hell. I paried the dude who, oh gosh, where you find the process aesthetic arm for Millicent. Oh, and like the kind of the briar.

Elmer? Elmer? Edelmer, I believe. Is his name? Yeah, the big dudes who like, you know when they spawn at night bless, the dudes that like... I don't go out of the night and Ellen ring. Oh, you would. I always wait till the day.

I've never got it. I get scared. There's an entire ecosystem of enemies out there. I know, and I don't go out. It's too dark. So, all right, well, let me tell you blessed. I've played 100 hours of the video game. Never.

Never seen the nighttime. You know that hill where you go, where you go, where you go, where you go for wounds on the giants? He's never gone under the world. So all the giants are up there, right? Oh, you're talking about like the Batman? No, you know that one guy, Bernal, who's in a little shack who like sells the ashes of war right north of it?

If you go there at night, you sit down, he'll be there at night. But then you have to stand up, sit back down. Bernal's gone. You're like, what the fuck that the NPC go? I was going to buy something from that dude. I was buy a Perry Ashvore or whatever Ash of War. You walk up and a red dude spawn. in. And he's got like a red or two

them. They're called the bell-bearing hunters. They're fucks. They're such fuchs. My current build is that. I've got his like, I got that sword too. Throwing swords. But I've got all the talismans that basically are like charge attacks are more powerful and then like consecutive attacks. Each one gets

like more and more powerful. I'm just rocking up on enemies doing that one and everything is just dying. It's incredible. Awesome. Yeah. Does he give you, did he drop that sword? when you fight him in the shack? How do you get it? I think he... I got it from...

I got it from... Because I have a lot of arcane. I got that weapon already, which is... It's one of the other weapons I kind of leveled up. I'm not sure if I'm going to fully use it because it doesn't do bleed.

It just uses arcane damage. But then the dude in that room where you... In that sort of poison swamp near the north where you get the prosthetic arm for Millicent, you kill that boss, Elimer. Elmer Fudd. He drops his big-ass great sword.

version of that weapon. Yeah. Can we do, can you do a stream where it's blessed playing Eldon Ring? And the only thing is it's night and you go to fight that one. That one fucker. Yeah. Just to see what it's right? The dude and Kalid is the worst version of a man.

Wait, I think I fought the guy in Kalid though, because was he, they don't only come out at night, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's also hard to tell when it's nighttime in Kalid. Yeah, maybe it was nighttime in Kalid. Because I remember being jumped in like near a shack. Yeah.

It was one of those red guys. Where he throws the red sword and they like kind of follow you, the, the Red Sword like swipes around in mid-air. He's floating it. Jedi's down. Maybe I'm out during the night time in Caylet if the Caylet night isn't as obvious. You're in the worst part of town. I don't want to handle the rest of the game. Wait until morning. You went to the tendaloy in that night. I was like, who the fuck is that?

Like I've never seen it before. To answer the question real quick, I do think that we will get another what's next for it from? I think we'll get another secular-like game in that I'm not saying we're getting a Sechro sequel. They do games that are like in the Dark Souls mold and Eldon Ring is definitely one of those. And then they have games which are like, we're experimenting with a new mechanic.

And Sekiro is one of those. Blood-Born. Blood-Born is like that, but also like Armid Koi is kind of like that. It's like off-to-the-sides kind of thing. I think the next thing we get is like, hey, we come up with a weird idea and we've built an entire game around it. Is it cool or not? Because this is, this was executive produced by, and like directed by the lead Dark Souls 3 guy. D.S.3, yeah.

D.L.C. guy, right? He did Ring City. Yes, yes. I just love that they have so many teams. I like that there's so many options. Here's this little offshoot where making it's called ArmicorCorp-6 is one of the best games of the year. It wasn't even like our core main team working on it. Like there's still a lot of like crossover between employees, obviously,

but that's so sick. Would I like Dark Souls 3? That's my last question. Yeah. Just step back, but imagine the legacy dungeons just the entire game. Without the open area, the field. I don't play Dark Souls 1, man, because that's just the best level of any video. I did when it came out on Switch for IGN because I had to do like,

here's how it plays on i on switch and it was like oh i get i get what they're doing here but i've never got awesome just the most my like i'll never forget being asked early on on my dark souls one play through this is my favorite hub world of any of any souls game i'm like it's not a hub world you don't like it's not like in demon souls like you come back to the hub and then all the doors are there or you go to bloodborn and all the little bricks are there and then once i started playing dark souls well like oh my god this is the most genius fucking

in the world. Like, because that is just like, that's so impressive. You think I should go back to one and then go to three? I think you'll have a real rough time going back to one. Going back to one. I don't think so, though, man. Like, I was blown away by it.

Probably be fine. Yeah. In terms of, like, a natural progression, I think it's more natural to go to. I definitely, I definitely think you should play one. One's incredible. Because, yeah,

I tried Demon Souls when it came to PS5. Obviously, I was the guy who previewed Sechiro for kind of funny for whatever reason five years ago. Never went back to Sechiro. I tried Blood, recently and I really dig BloodBorn. I don't love the item shit that they kind of like, where you have

to go out and grind for bullets and health files and shit. But from my understanding, Dark Souls 3 is similar with like health, like regenerates when you go back to fucking things like that. By the way, I'm in the market to buy a jailbroken PS5

with BloodBorn on it. So let me know if anybody's on. You know Mark Sterney watches this. Because the PS5, that's where Maximilian dude played Bloodborn, and that's the one that runs 1086 as opposed to 72060. Ladies and gentlemen, that brings us to the end of this episode of the Kind of Funny Games cast. Tam, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. Of course, check out Tam on GameSpot, Giant Bomb.

Yeah, you can check out on GameSpot, Giant Bomb. If you're in LA on the 9th, we have a live show happening at the Bellwether Theater. Pickets are on Ticketmaster. Bell bearing 100 theater. Come dressed as a red phantom. Twitch.tv slash Tomor H. Yes, coming back soon, hopefully. I've got all new graphics made with one of our amazing artists that we use a giant bomb.

I did like some side stuff. It's really cool. That artist is incredible. Yeah. I cannot wait to use that stuff. His name is J.Ram. Incredible. So hopefully soon. Well, thank you so much for joining me.

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