Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Review (So Far) - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Episode Date: May 2, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:07 TGIF, everybody. But also... We'll see you next week. Big ups to Greg Pavovich, greatest coach of all time. Big ups. More playoff wins than about 28 other NBA teams. Big ups.
Starting point is 00:00:20 Moving to the team president, Mike. Congrats. We'll be in our hearts forever. Welcome to the Kind of Funny Gamescast for Friday. Remember they caught that bad on the court? Oh my God. Genoblee, dude. Just the goat, dude.
Starting point is 00:00:29 Welcome to Kind of Funny Games cast for Friday, May 2, 2025. I am Andy Cortez, and I'm joined by Gregory Miller. Hello, Andy. does me well to be here. Can I say one thing? Sure. Yang, fam, I see you in the chat. When I was, when we were filtering in, Yang's like, I need these guys to do an expedition
Starting point is 00:00:47 33 spoiler cast. And I'm happy to confirm next week you will be getting that. Wow. Wow. Do not worry about that. We are covering all those bases. And I'm also joined by Snowbank Mike. Hi, Andy. It's been a great week of a lot of games. Some Rackers, you and I
Starting point is 00:01:03 are enjoying. Having fun with that. Played more arc rate. Made a friend last night in Arcrators. I'm jealous. I'm not happy about that. Is there enough Andy to go around? I was looking for these goddamn explosive, these explosive materials, whatever the hell they're called. Died about three different runs back to back to back. And I was like, okay, I'm going to join with a fill squad. Oh, you filled. So I did a fill
Starting point is 00:01:26 squad. Okay. Hopped in last night. Real nice dude named Turtle. Nice. Turtles. There's always good turtles. Well, yeah, I don't really need anything, Nitro. So if you want to, you know, whatever you need to go get, I was like, oh, I need these explosive materials. Like, oh, okay, yeah, we could do that. Killed a couple squads. We ex-filled without getting this stuff. Okay.
Starting point is 00:01:44 And then we were like, I, we're like, Gigi's boys, good stuff, you know. I was like, later, Turtle. And the lobby pops up again. The runs done. We're back at the home lobby. And Turtle standing right next to me. I was like, oh, shit. Turtle, are you there?
Starting point is 00:01:58 He's like, oh, yeah. It was like, one to do another run, man? He's like, yeah, sounds good. Shot to Turtle, man. Did you get it? Shout out to Turtle. The following run, I did. successfully got the thing
Starting point is 00:02:08 and then we ex-filled without our squad mate man we had some great team fights it was it was thrilling I'm really enjoying art graders sorry Mike I'm not trying to you know I get you jealous about turtle I was hoping that turtle would have failed you because I have one how awesome would it be if you were like
Starting point is 00:02:23 and you put up like a voice change you like did turtle sound like this oh my god how do you do that this is the kind of funny games cast each and every weekday we get together to talk about the biggest reviews previews and topics in video games live on YouTube Twitch and podcast services around the globe.
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Starting point is 00:03:12 You had the venerable Jeff Grubb. Unemployed. The honorable Jeff Grubb. The amazing Jeff Grubb. I was trying to see if you could come up with as many adjectives as I could. I used to have a derogatory one. And Tim Gettys, and they're talking about Grand The Thought of Six being delayed until 2026. And today, after the Games cast, you have
Starting point is 00:03:35 the spoiler cast for Andor Season 2, episodes 4 through 6 with Barrett Courtney, Tim Gettys, sage Ryan, Anthony Carbone. And then after that, first off, it's a big day of content. That's a very huge. Because that's already huge.
Starting point is 00:03:50 But after that, the finale of Games Showdown. Holy cow. Can we do with? Can we finally dethrone Tim Gettys? I think we can. I'm a runaway success this season with stars in the bank.
Starting point is 00:04:06 I am Team Blue, looking to three Pete, the championship for Team Blue, of course. But Tim Gettys is Roman Rains. All right, we got to finish this guy's story. And after that,
Starting point is 00:04:16 you got more gaming greatness with Snowback Mike and Nick Scarpino escaping from Tarkoff. The final day of the week. The data proved that we learned. The day the- This is the final exam. The day is the final exam.
Starting point is 00:04:31 Did you see, we got a Sherpa. I did. Shout to bacon for coming to join us. Because, you know, Bacon taught me everything I know. And then I tried to regurgitate that to Nick. He stared at his phone, didn't really listen. So I had to call Bacon and get Bacon in there to teach him out and do it.
Starting point is 00:04:46 And now Nick loves this game. He played it yesterday at work. He can't get enough. Offstream. You just hopped in. Yeah, well, you guys were filming. Another show, we were having fun. It's been great to see him kind of, like, absorb information.
Starting point is 00:05:02 I thought he was allergic to that. I thought he was unable to to learn things. You should have saw us yesterday because like, you know, there's no nameplates. So there we are. We load in. I walk up, I start looting a body and immediately sniped out of nowhere.
Starting point is 00:05:17 I go, I'm dead. Nick starts giggling and goes, that was me. God, damn it. If you're a kind of funny member, today's Gregway is... I review the Rayban Medus that I've been wearing. I'm not wearing them today
Starting point is 00:05:31 because I left in a hole like, oh, I'm later than I thought was and then I got the car. I'm like, right, I was supposed to the meta's, but I've been wearing my Rayman metas quite a bit. And I talk about them today. They posted a big update saying, like, look into your privacy settings because, you know, they're doing more things that you need.
Starting point is 00:05:46 So look into them. Okay, well, they open up their settings. I can make videos and I can listen to music through them. Is it like a tap or is it a voice command? I turned it off. You can do voice command. I turn that off. I use the tactile button. I love that. That's cool. It's a new month, which
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Starting point is 00:06:57 Today we're brought to you by Imperial and Aura Frames. But we'll tell you all about that later. For now, let's start with topic of the show the topic of the show it was a big game that released recently and it was Expedition 33 but another game also released and that was the
Starting point is 00:07:16 often kind of rumored as of recently the oblivion remaster they went in there they remade one of the highest rated games of all time one of the most enjoyed RPGs of all time oblivion remaster obviously since that was a shadow
Starting point is 00:07:33 drop. We didn't have a chance to review it. We didn't get early codes. Nobody knew about it. We got it when everybody else was able to get their hands on it. So let me just read a little quick little quip from Wikipedia that says Elder Scrolls 4, Oblivary Remastered is an action role-playing game.
Starting point is 00:07:49 Co-developed by Virtuos and Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It's a remaster of 2006's Oblivion, the Elder Scroll 4, Oblivion and includes a full graphics overhaul using Unreal Engine 5 and various other improvements, from sprinting to redesigned menus.
Starting point is 00:08:07 The original expansion packs, Knights of the Nine of the Nine, and Shivering Isles, are part of Oblivion remastered. I definitely have the least amount of history with this franchise because I was always the BioWare RPG player. You looked at this, you're like, get out of here, Bethesda. And I only had time and money, and I couldn't be going all over the place. But, you know, Mike, you have a pretty big history with Oblivion. What is your past with Oblivion at like the OG one from 2004?
Starting point is 00:08:36 Yeah, Andy. I'm a 360 kid. So this was really special to me back in the day. This is one of those early RPGs I've ever played. Me and my brother actually had Morrowind and didn't understand anything that was going on in that game. Because when you're so young and like that game, little to no guidance on that one. Really just let you go off the rails on that one. That was pretty special back in the day.
Starting point is 00:08:59 But Oblivion to me was the perfect time. must have been that 12 to 14 age range there. And so it was like peak gaming, this was it. I bought my first strategy guide for oblivion. And I was reading up on all the Dajic princes. I was shutting down all of the oblivion gates. It was everything to me. And so, yeah, this remaster was really special.
Starting point is 00:09:20 The announcement, the shadow drop was really fun and cool. And this past week, jumping back in to Seardale and reliving those moments is a special time for me. So talk me through this. Yeah. You and your brother get Morrowind. Oh, yeah. And you don't know what's going on. No idea, great.
Starting point is 00:09:35 Because like the compass, if you remember? Remember that tiny little compass? No, I never played Morrowin. Well, yeah, and it's fun. You know, we're so pampered now with this remaster. If you go back to the old school oblivion, which is on backwards compatibility, which I did on one of my streams,
Starting point is 00:09:48 the compass is this small, Andy. You can barely tell which way to go. And like, you have no idea. So on Morrowin, there was no real like, hey, this is a clear to find where you need to go. So we'd get lost all the time trying to figure. out what are the quest objectives where should we be going we were only children but did you like it did you enjoy it yeah i liked the freedom i liked the idea of building out a character uh it was
Starting point is 00:10:11 kind of new to us to the idea of like this true RPG of skill points stats what is your character all these different races so yeah it was cool enough to want to play more oblivion gets announced or comes out do you get hype for it immediately because of morrowwind or like what drew you into it being this Xbox game. Oh, early 360 Xbox games. Okay. Anything that was big on the 360 back then, Peter Jackson's King Kong. Never forget. You know what I mean? Let's get those thousand Chevos.
Starting point is 00:10:39 Cameo. Oh, yeah. Don't forget. You know what I mean? So yeah, it was just one of the early Xbox 360 launch window titles, right? That I can vividly remember being excited about and thinking, oh, wow, we're going to put this in the 360 and just get lost in it. It's the one you heard from the nerdiest people
Starting point is 00:10:57 about. Yeah. And the one that was always in that like greatest hit sort of section or it was obviously one of those games that has has an amazing amount of really high ratings and i was always scared to even look at it back in the day because i was like i don't know anything about this franchise do i have to play one through three i was definitely that dude and this is king cong by the way oh hell yeah so oblivion was always one of those styles for me that just always seemed a bit too overwhelming and then skyrim once that comes out becomes the that that's the more mainstream kind of version of it.
Starting point is 00:11:36 Greg, what is your past with Oblivion, if any? None. That's the whole thing. You know, I want to read you a text message from Saturday at 1143 p.m. I text the one the only Charles on yet. A famed IGN reviewer. All right from way back in the day, Charles has been gone from IGN forever before I left. but he is, of course, the man who reviewed Oblivion on March 24th, 2006 and gave it a
Starting point is 00:12:01 9. What did they? It was a 9.3 amazing on the IGN scale back then. And I just texted him at the end of my play session on Saturday night. Pretty messed up. You never told me to play oblivion back in the day. And this is the first time Charles and I have talked to years. He just goes, ha. Hope you're liking it, Greg. I don't know what's wrong with me
Starting point is 00:12:23 in 2006. I really I really don't. Like I don't, I, you figure at 2006, March 2006, when Charles reviews this, I have a 360. I've tricked the Columbia Daily Tribune into buying me a 360 because I'm already doing the game over column. I'm already doing the game over blog. So I had a 360. I am religiously reading EGM.
Starting point is 00:12:44 I am religiously reading IGN. The only thing I can think is that I looked at what the art, the key art for Oblivion was. and equated it more to wow, not necessarily in terms of gameplay, but in terms of, oh, it's elves and orcs, which is never a Greg Miller thing. That fantasy thing isn't me, especially back then. I've changed, you know, there's definitely things, and I'm enjoying my time here we'll talk about.
Starting point is 00:13:09 But, like, I have no definitive, oh, I'm not going to play oblivion because of X. And then it gets ridiculous because I start at IGN in 2007. You know, March 1st, 2007 is my first day at IGN on the PlayStation team. So if you remember, Oblivion comes to PlayStation in 2007. And I don't know what they had me on review grinding that I was like, well, I'm not going to touch this game. Old game is old.
Starting point is 00:13:36 Or more likely than not, Charles has this covered because he's done it before. We don't need to worry about it. But I have no earthly idea why Oblivion never was something that anyone at IG was like, yo, you got to play this. I don't know if my palate just wasn't as refined in terms of like RPG meant something different back then, right? I tell the story all the time,
Starting point is 00:13:57 being an old fart, that this is, you know, 2007, 2008 is really when people keep coming back from previews and they're like, yeah, I went and previewed X and it's got RPG elements in it. It's like, it's an RPG light. There's a skill tree. There's experience.
Starting point is 00:14:13 There's experience in this action adventure. You game, you know, I mean, like, that just wasn't, you know, what it was. And now you play something like Jedi Fallen Order and you're like, what's the difference anymore between what you think of? of an old school RPG and what you think of here.
Starting point is 00:14:25 Now people define it so much more by choice, consequence, you know, changing the story to fit your whim to be an RPG more, right? But anyways, oblivion, no, totally went past me. I'm on GameScoop making horse armor jokes, I'm sure,
Starting point is 00:14:40 because that was such a big deal, but it's just never something I went and picked up. So it's a huge blind spot for me, and it isn't until Fallout 3 that I play my first Bethesda RPG and fall in love, right? And I play Skyrim, and I play Fallout 4,
Starting point is 00:14:52 and I play in Starfield obviously well versed in so it's a weird one that not only did I never play it in the contemporary time period I existed in I never went back to it either I never felt the need to go back to it so this remaster couldn't be
Starting point is 00:15:10 a better entry point for me to get in to see what the hubbub was all about well maybe Greg in 2007 you were playing God of War II on the PlayStation I was and reviewing that I didn't review it no I was never going to do maybe MLB 2007 in the show.
Starting point is 00:15:23 Maybe. Just looking at other games that came out. Called her to Modern Warfare. Of course. I'm playing that. I did play it. I did play it.
Starting point is 00:15:29 That's where Mike was on. Yeah. I think when it comes to sort of one of those games that becomes a staple and becomes a game that everybody looks at as the big favorite. And introducing a lot of us to what
Starting point is 00:15:44 Bethesda Jank is, I think is another great thing where, to reiterate, Chad, this is a review in progress. Review so far. I haven't ruled credits. I don't know if Mike's rolled credits. I'm remaster.
Starting point is 00:15:56 I know you've rolled credits. Yeah, I've only put in around three or four hours or so. I want to play more because I enjoyed what I was able to experience. But Mike, how many hours is a remaster? It's such a goofy game. I'm probably 10 plus right now. I've restarted three times already. The true Bethesda game style of just restarting again.
Starting point is 00:16:13 I'm probably... And why is that? The first time I started a character I didn't like. Then I made Evil Mike. I had a ton of fun. Cloud Save didn't. carry over to the work computer here. So I had to restart as Roger.
Starting point is 00:16:25 And so I'm playing now Roger over here. And I have evil mic back at home. So I'm back and forth. A lot of crashes as well, too, right? Yeah, I was unhappy today. The work PC had a lot of crashes on the game. Crash four times in my hour that I was playing. The one at your desk or the one in the lap?
Starting point is 00:16:40 No, no, inside the lab. Oh, okay. I was going to say the one at your desk with one gigabyte of gram. But back at home, it ran perfectly flawless for most of my playthrough back at home. So, yeah, just one of those. I've had one crash so far in my experience because the way this is, this is the original engine called Gamebrio
Starting point is 00:17:00 back in 2006 or 2000, whatever, and essentially Virtuous piling Unreal Engine 5 on top of that. And, you know, anytime I was experiencing issues during my stream, chat was like, remember, this is a not super loved engine running on top of a very kind of jinky, unstable engine. So you're kind of just adding into,
Starting point is 00:17:21 to the instability there. We're going to get it out there before we go to where I'm probably I'm 20 plus hours into this. Oh wow. Okay, shit. I've been going. I've been going. Now how much of that was you hitting the button to level up your lock?
Starting point is 00:17:32 Can we talk about that? That was so good. That was all of what? 15 minutes yesterday while I did work. Explain what happened. Explain from your perspective. There's just this sound coming from Greg's desk, right? It's just a tapping sound. And I'm like, man, what's going on over there?
Starting point is 00:17:47 And I look over and Greg, the hardest working dude I know, right? He's got two screens full of, emails. He's checking YouTube comments on one. But then over on one side, he's playing oblivion. And he's at the lockpick screen. And he's just half-ass lockpicking this thing. And I'm going, what is he doing in my mind then? What's this tapping
Starting point is 00:18:03 going on? And it's a thing where Mike walked by me and I'd noticed this already. And I kind of looked at him and Mike walked by me and me and Mike looked at each other and we both looked at, we gave each other look at like, what's Greg doing? And we look at Greg, what are you doing? I was upgrading my lockpicking.
Starting point is 00:18:19 But the tapping was going for a while. So if you're unfamiliar with, I would say, old Bethesda RPGs, because it's not, correct me if I'm wrong, chat, please keep me honest. In Fallout, I don't remember it ever being like this because you have like, you know, the special system there. And then, of course, in Starfield, they changed so many different things or whatever. But Skyrim, I remember doing it, but Oblivion's even more egregious about it, right? of like you have so many stats of your blade, your sheet, you're blocking, your lock picking. And the way you upgrade those is by doing that thing more. And it's a really beautiful system because it is the idea of like, well, if I play this weapon
Starting point is 00:19:04 and I do this and stealth, I'm going to be a much different character than you guys. If you're using a hammer and you're all about this, like literally your stats will be built out so much differently and you'll have these really robust characters. I love them games have those systems. Me too. Cool. But it's like the way they do it is interesting. We'll talk about it because it's so classic Bethesda.
Starting point is 00:19:23 But like the idea here is that the more you do it, the more you get it. And so when you level up one of you, you do these things to level up your lock picking or your blade or whatever. And then that gives you when you level that up, a level up for your overall character to go in and change your stats, which again is going to change. So lock picking in this game is bad. I don't like lock picking in this game.
Starting point is 00:19:42 Yeah. And it's like class. And it's in this. This is, you know, especially from the sidelines now participating. Like, this is one of those things that like, clearly Bethesda was like, what are we doing with this remaster? And they're like, we're remastering the game. All the things that were janky and weird and not beloved back then or over time have aged, we're just going to leave them there.
Starting point is 00:20:03 Who cares? Like, you know what I mean? We're going to go, we're just going to, this is what people are going to expect out of oblivion. We're not remaking it. Right. And so as Barrett has pulled up here, what the lock picking mini game is, you know, you take a little lock picker. You push the clip up and they fall down and then, but when they hang for a second,
Starting point is 00:20:18 that's when you got to lock them in. But it's like you burn through lock picks so fucking fast. And it's like, it was the first boss of the game that I encountered. Like it was a big, it was a moment of achievement when I finally found a lot more lock picks. And Melissa with a Y in the, in the Twitch chat was like,
Starting point is 00:20:33 you should go back and try to get that box and you wasted 12 lock picks on. I was like, fucking challenge accepted, dude. My final one. Yeah. Like,
Starting point is 00:20:40 and I think the thing I boss me the most about it, Greg, vary in speed. So tell me about that. So again, this goes back to you see up there, it talks about your security level is 16 on this one, right? And then over there it said average for the lock or whatever. When you increase your security level, the locks become easier. They stick more. You do the whole thing, right? Is it a timing thing? Does your window get larger?
Starting point is 00:21:04 Yeah, exactly. You push them up there and they hang way longer. Got you to lock it in. So anyways, I, you know, I, what I, to start this, my, my, thoughts of playing oblivion for the first time. It is such an interesting, even though I didn't live it at that time, a throwback to games of that time. Because Mikey brings up the strategy guide. Yeah. And the amount of times with this game, I stop and I go, oblivion.
Starting point is 00:21:28 How to care of being a vampire. Oblivion. You know what I mean? Like going in of like the game's huge. And obviously you could wander and find all this and stuff. But it's just like, I need a guide. Like it's that kind of game where they're not telling you a thing, which is refreshing and different and cool or even though back then it's how it was.
Starting point is 00:21:42 You know what I mean? But like, whatever. And so early on when I was doing the lot, I love lock picking in games. And so I got this and I'm like, great. I'm fail, clip, clip, break, break, break, clip, break. I'm like, what the fuck am I doing? So I then like, okay, hold on,
Starting point is 00:21:54 go to a YouTube video, watch it guy. Oh, hang for it. Okay, fine. And then you jump in what you guys saw me yesterday, which would basically be 20 hours later. I'm so fucking not good at it. And I'm like, I got to fucking, there's got to be another,
Starting point is 00:22:05 how do you do it? You know, because at one point I thought when the thing was coming out, I was like, oh, is this another tell for when I should do it? Like one of my lock picks up, it wasn't. But I went to look at another one and I ran into a Reddit thread and it was just like, by the way, they haven't patched this other thing where if you lock in one pin, if you then tap A on it over and over again, it just counts as success, success. So that's what I was doing is I sat there for 10 minutes doing email tapping A and that just took me to 99 on my face. Every lock, every lock is easy for me to get into. That's that old school stuff that Greg was talking about where you can sneak behind somebody and your stealth continues to increase.
Starting point is 00:22:40 so you'll see people constantly walking behind people there to level it up. Yeah, I saw it in the chat. Yeah, we have a super chat from Demon Hacker. Did Greg Rubber banned his sticks to level up sneaking, right? I haven't done that yet, but I will. And it's the thing of like, for me, that is the story of Skyrim. Because Skyrim has very similar systems, right? Obviously, it's equal to this, a bit more modern because it was a bit later in the timeline.
Starting point is 00:23:04 But I remember Skyrim being my first Elder Scrolls, and it was that idea. I'll never forget it was Colin was doing a podcast behind me with St. and Mark Ryan. They were recording Washington's beard when they used to do that. And it was me in the living room, TV muted,
Starting point is 00:23:19 just with my character and crouched behind a monk in Skyrim that what you would do is you would hit the monk once and he would, your stealth would go up and then he'd stand up and then he'd sit back down
Starting point is 00:23:30 and then you'd hit him again. You'd wait and I just did that for hours like to get my stealth up or whatever to do the same thing. There's power leveling type shit. Exactly. I love that. Like, again, like, I feel like both of these stories are such great windows into what oblivion is and what kind of game it is and what kind of RPG it is.
Starting point is 00:23:48 Like, it is a nerdy ass RPG of like, how do you want to chase this and how do you want to do it? And as somebody who fell in love with Bethesda Games with Fallout 3 and has been along the entire ride, it's fun to go back here and have it. Okay, sure, plenty of things are antiquated in this. Like, right? Like, I'm the middle of a fucking oblivion gate right now, you know, where you go through, you kill everything. you unlock the gig. Congratulations. You did the thing.
Starting point is 00:24:10 And it's like, cool, I've leveled up. Well, I can't apply any of these stats until I go sleep. That fucking sucks. Like, what a see? We're so, everything we play nowadays has been streamlined and to be frictionless, which is always such a great word. And so it's funny to come back to this game and have all these different things of friction. And it's the thing of like, cool.
Starting point is 00:24:30 I have a healing spell for minor wounds. And I don't understand why sometimes it works. And then other times it. And I'm in boss fights. just running around healing myself and going, don't do it. Why? Oh, God, I'm right.
Starting point is 00:24:41 And then it's the idea. I was telling Jen about this last night, I don't know, a very romantic anniversary. Very romantic anniversary date where I just talked about oblivion. Had to talk about oblivion. Where again, it's,
Starting point is 00:24:49 it's, I'm doing things. I'm doing things in this game that I haven't done in forever. And one of those is cheesing. Where it's just like, cool, go clear out this nest of vampires. Got that.
Starting point is 00:25:03 Get my ass handed to me, just get my ass handed to it. And it's that idea. of like, okay, well, I'm going to eat shit and kill every one of these vampires. I'm challenging myself to do it when clearly the game doesn't want me to do it because I'm under level or my blade isn't high enough. So it's like, I start, I go in there and I'll tease one of them out and they come out and we're fighting on a hillside. So, you know, they kill me and I load the save and they kill me and I load the save. And then it's like, okay, well, I run them down
Starting point is 00:25:30 the hill and then I run back up the hill, but you can't run up a hill. So I'm doing the trudgey walk. So then I turn around and I'm shooting arrows at this point. horror vampire who's slowly trudging up behind it. And then it's like, you know, rope a dope, run him to the side, run him back down and go back up. And it's like that little, like, how am I? I was told by everybody to be jumping all the time. Yeah, of course, they get your acrobatics,
Starting point is 00:25:51 or agility, whatever it is up. Yeah, like, there's all that kind of stuff in here that like is a game onto itself. The top level thoughts from Greg Miller on a believing, I know I've talked a lot already and I have so much more to say, right? Is like, what a charming and quaint RPG? Like, I legitimately love it for what it is.
Starting point is 00:26:10 I've talked at length, I think, about this on Gregway this week of like, I have a lot of gamer guilt right now where it is. I wanted to play as much of this to get to this review, right? And so I think I'm going to put it down now. Not because I don't like it, not because I'm never coming back to it because it's like, well, my plan before going to PACs next week, come see me do my PACS keynote Thursday. Ben Stars interview me 11 a.m. My plan was to go there.
Starting point is 00:26:31 And on those flights, I'm going to do outer worlds again so that we can do the review at the end of the month like we want to do a re-review, right? This is my chance to play that, which means putting this down, which I find myself torn about right, where it's like, I would love to keep playing it. But sometimes I'm playing it. I'm like, I should stop playing this. Where it's just like, I'm not getting, like it's not. I, you know, to go through all. Why is that?
Starting point is 00:26:55 Like, because you're, you're still having fun. You're enjoying it. But is it a, I should prioritize other stuff? It's the prioritized stuff for sure. But it's also the fact of just like, I love it for what it is. and what it is is a small quaint game. For me personally, like, I have run into nobody that matters to me. Like, I have no, there's no, there's no Andreja.
Starting point is 00:27:16 You know what I mean? There's no, there's no, there's no, I'm, you know, the chat convinced me to make a tiger character, right? The Khazit, right? Yes. Well, I made it, I made a Kijit who made him look like Truman the Tiger from Mizzu and called him Truman the Tiger. But it's like, I don't feel like I'm role playing as him, right? Like, I feel like this is a game.
Starting point is 00:27:34 And back to that being quaint and a product of his time, like, I feel so much like I am role-playing the hero, the swordsman. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just there to do the thing and get the thing. All right, cool. And like, you're presented with funny little quests here and there, but it's like, I'm not connected to this world. I'm not in love with this world.
Starting point is 00:27:52 Like, I need to be a part of it. Even going to the Imperial City, right, which is that you saw in the wide shot there, right? You get in there and it's like so laughably small. Where it's like, oh, yeah, this is that kind of game where it's like, as you come in on this one, and it's this giant like, you know, great title card. Oh, yeah, great title card.
Starting point is 00:28:09 You know, in the round thing, you get in there and it's like, oh, I got to go into, I got to go to the armor. Every one of these, you know, it's just these circles of stone with the doors and I go into them. And like, people give shit about like, oh, man, fucking Starfield's a fast travel simulator. I'm like, motherfucker. The amount of times I'm warping back here, run, load through the door, run into the store, load through the door, sell my shit, fix my shit, load through the door, come out to fast travel back. I'm like, all right, guys, what are we talking about? But again, product of its time. But it's like, this feels like such a small, lovable, even though I don't have the history with it, a comfort food RPG.
Starting point is 00:28:45 Where what I think, you know, for me it'll be, I think I'm going to put it down. And then I imagine what's going to happen is I come back on a day where I'm like, man, what I want to play. Oh, you know what? I'm going to run a couple. I'm going to run a couple quests. I'm going to go see what's over there. I'm going to go do that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:58 That's kind of in the short amount of time that I was experiencing it. first off, I was surprised that there was fast travel right off the rip. I was like, holy shit. Immediately, I was like, oh, that's something that they added for the remaster, I bet. That's a quality of life thing. And everybody was like, no, you can just do that.
Starting point is 00:29:16 I was pretty surprised by that. But I am so, I'm right with you that, you know, I don't know if you eventually meet any NPCs that kind of become a Garis Vicarian, a Morden Solis, a Rex, you know. Mike could probably be the best one to answer that because I know you have a much larger history of the Bligeon. Yeah, well, I'm making my own fun right now with Brother Martin. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:29:39 I'm taking Brother Martin son to the king, heir to the throne. He's supposed to be taken somewhere. I'm taking my own injury. Of course, yeah. So I'm making my fun. And I think that's always the best of getting me in the car with you. Get ready. We're going to go to L.A. together one day in the car, right?
Starting point is 00:29:55 And that's the thing with the vampires, right? It makes your own fun. In a normal, normal game, in a modern game. if the mission was get the vampires to get the thing to go to the thing to fight the big boss and I got to this vampire cave and I was getting my fucking shit kicked in. I'm like, God, this is a progress blocker. But here in this game, I'm like, well, progress feels like it takes forever anyway. I don't feel like I'm leveling up a lot, right?
Starting point is 00:30:18 I'm using my blade all the time. I'm barely at a level 50 blade. I'm like, fuck, come on. I want to kill things with this goddamn thing. Now, Mike, with your history of it, do you recollect any moments that you could look back on and be like, oh, that's science. quest was awesome, or this faction or this NBC. I know we don't want to get too spoilery for a game that came on 2006, but...
Starting point is 00:30:36 It's been a really long time for me, so I'm reliving a lot of the wow moments. I think the finale is the big part that, like, I wouldn't encourage Greg and others to get to, because I think that is really special what they did there. But, like, I think when I think of Bethesda games and those like really memorable moments, the factions, the companions, that started for me back in Skyrim, where it's like, oh, man, I think maybe that's just like a product of the time where I was a little bit older. I cared a little bit more. But for me, it was Skyrim.
Starting point is 00:31:02 When you really started to dive into, I care about this character that's following me around. I want to be part of this faction or guild. So that's where it kicked in for me. This one, when I'm reliving it, yeah, it seems a little more empty. It doesn't have the, oh, wow, this character's got a ride or die with me forever. It's just bad. And not to say it needs that again for what it was.
Starting point is 00:31:20 I think what I think is interesting when I think about the game and I talk about the game. Like, for me, I think it exists in this really interesting spot where it feels to me, like obviously you see the seeds of everything Bethesda RPGs become. And there's that, and that's in here. And a lot of RPGs have become, yeah. 100%. But I also feel like, especially when I look at my character or I look at the gameplay
Starting point is 00:31:39 or when I'm playing it, right? Because combat, come on. Combat sucks. You know what I'm like, I'm like, why is this guy fucking doing so much damage? It's like, oh, I got to block every shot then hit you. Block every shot. Then hit you. I'm sure there's other ways and better ways, but this is how I'm playing it.
Starting point is 00:31:52 Anyways, sorry. I feel like in this position that exists in the timeline, it feels to me like so many of the different arcade games we would have played or even like Genesis whatever games where you are the hero, you're the axe, you're the dwarf, you're the whatever, right? Don't let you.
Starting point is 00:32:10 It feels so much like they took you and dropped you into first person in that game if that makes sense. Where you wouldn't expect to be making choices but you're fighting these things you're leveling up, you're getting your things. It's like it's that kind of like, oh, I got dropped into what an RPG would be at that time period which is totally fine and good or whatever.
Starting point is 00:32:27 And so again, I'm enamored by it. Like, I am like, oh, man. I wish I could mean it right now. Oh, yeah? Yeah. That's how much I enjoyed my small time with it. One thing I do want to ask you all is what classes did you pick and what hardware are you playing on? But first, we got to tell you about a word from our sponsors because they keep the lights on the mics on.
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Starting point is 00:35:35 Thank you, Alex Fraser. Says, playing an oblivion was a fun little jaunt again. But what it really did for me was make me want to go back and play a vowed. Now I can't go back to oblivion remastered. It's just not as fun to play. Your mouth to my ears. I was trying to yell at your fingertips to my ears.
Starting point is 00:35:54 Like 100%. Like, 100%. the one thing when I'm playing it, even right there, where I'm beating the shit out of some guys here in the tower, where it's just like, ah, a vowed felt so good to play. And again, is it fair to compare a game, you know, 20 years later? No, but it's like,
Starting point is 00:36:08 it is like, man, we complimented it when we reviewed it, but to be here now playing a game that is so similar, it's like, man, a Vought felt good to play. Been a lot of improvements in the, in the gameplay space there forever. I just whack these guys with my sword. It's like, it's like playing this.
Starting point is 00:36:21 The combat in Oblivion feels like what I imagine, Infinity Blay, or no, yeah, Infinity Blay, that was the, uh, the phone one? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I imagine that felt like to play, because I never played it. But you know what I mean? Like that, it strikes me as how it is. I'll slam my sword into them over and over again. Like, die. $5 super chat from Sims
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Starting point is 00:37:15 Fact that I can level acrobatics and jump for the tallest tower with no damage or swimming and literally create a wake. Also, lock picking is great. actually gives you pressure and accomplishment. Go to Andy's stream at like 55 minutes and just watch his reaction through it. I celebrated a lot. This is like beating millennia.
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Starting point is 00:37:50 and crafted my own master unlock spell called, no, it's not. Find the door that's locked? No, it's not. Oh, I love that. That's really cool. And that's how kind of granular you can get with the classes and with the spells and things like that. So what I...
Starting point is 00:38:05 Audio listeners were... Here's Andy trying to do it. I'm a struggle here with the clock tape. YouTube commenters give me a big tip that, like, if you knock it back up, it stays the same speed before it reaches all the way, it stays the same sort of like, it doesn't change in speed. Why is it different speeds? I didn't get it. I didn't understand it.
Starting point is 00:38:34 Why is it different speeds? I wanted to shout out the... That's him. Yeah, thank you for bringing that video up, Barrett. What I wanted to bring up was classes and how we're playing the game. Because I was super stoked to that when you create your character
Starting point is 00:38:55 and you eventually go, with that little prolog, you're asked, hey, what do you want to be? What do you want to do? And I fucked up, and I picked something I didn't really want to do. And then they give you another chance to kind of re-roll it,
Starting point is 00:39:07 which I loved, and I appreciated that because I accidentally clicked something that I shouldn't have. I was kind of bummed out to learn that there isn't a whole lot of, you know, leveling up your,
Starting point is 00:39:21 I don't know, the way that you could kind of coax people into giving you better deals on things or swindle them in certain ways. There's a bit of that in here, but a lot of people were telling me in the chat, it's not like Mass Effect with Paragon or Renegade where you're like, hey, I'm going to be so nice to you.
Starting point is 00:39:37 Like, all right, I'll give up where all of my enemies are hiding. Like, it's not quite to that level. So what I was leveling up and what I sort of specced into was, of course, stealth archer. But I really enjoyed the spells. And I wanted to be able to conjure a little skeleton who called Boner. and I love that dude. And then conjure up my Theo from the past.
Starting point is 00:39:59 And he's like a floating spirit that moves at about, like, I don't know, half a mile an hour. Like, this is the slowest moving spirit ever seen in life. And I'm so- Your CEO is a heavy man. I'm so to kind of keep on working through that. What classes did you all pick? Mike, do you remember what you picked back in the day?
Starting point is 00:40:16 Oh, yeah, yeah. differentiated that. Yeah, I differentiated this time around. I think I always go to the classic just sword and board in the Bethesda Games and Skyrim. think of. We booted up my same from 2008 back in the day. And it was like, he just had the male armor on with the blade katana and a shield. And it's like, yep, that's what Mike was doing way back in the day. And so I tried my best to do something different for evil Mike, my character.
Starting point is 00:40:42 I wanted to go with a dagger or a short sword. Not stees. No, no, not stees. I've gone full away from magic this time around. Wow. And so, yeah, it morphed into just running around with a bow. The bow seems to be my favorite. I also, like I said, have Brother Martin who will do all of his own casting. He won-taps a lot of enemies. So, like, I have a companion running with me who just does most
Starting point is 00:41:05 them. Oh, nice. And I laugh in the background. I take photos of in photo mode. Is this when you kidnap Brother Martin? Yes, yes. So in Brother Martin's quest, which is like the second quest of the game, you're supposed to go find him over at Kavat and then bring him back to go see Joffrey, who is the king's
Starting point is 00:41:21 friend. And then you get that story line going. And I looked at Brother Martin, I said, you're with me now. And so instead of going back, we just are on our own grand adventure. We go through minds together. We go do awesome dungeons together. It's just a brotherhood. It's a friendship. I love that. And so, yeah, that's been a lot of fun. I chose the snake birth sign this time around. Usually I'll go with, like, the warrior. I was debating between the lady and the snake, but the snake gives me a poison, magic spell that I can throw out at everybody once a day. I don't really love that it's once a day. It's kind of, that buttoned me out. Initially, with as much
Starting point is 00:41:57 struggle as I was having with these lock picks, I was like, oh, one of these skills gives me the ability to unlock things better or unlock more things, even more difficult locks. Yeah. And I guess I just sort of gloss over the once a day. Once a chat point of that, I was like, I don't really know if I want that. So I lean more towards, I mean, I love clicking hands. I love being an archer and a lot of fantasy style games. And especially because this game does not have because it is so dated in its combat, and it's very much a product of its time. It doesn't have, you know, the way of Vout has an incredibly rewarding Perry or Dodge and all that.
Starting point is 00:42:33 This game does have a Dodge. It doesn't feel awesome and you're not going to, you'll be able to get away from enemies, but it wasn't, it doesn't feel like modernizing the way that I would prefer. So I just go Archer along with some sort of like, either it's necromancy or just going, with intelligence to kind of have fire spells. So I'll shoot an arrow at a dude and then fire spell. Having a blast with sort of
Starting point is 00:42:59 the variation in combat there. Because I'd like the way the colors will look on the screen when you're doing cool spells, especially with how awesome the game looks. The lighting is fantastic. I created what class did I create? Oh, I think I did a dark elf.
Starting point is 00:43:15 Me too. Yeah, yeah. Because the first one I selected, I popped in there and was all kind of geared towards only magic. Okay. So I immediately kind of restarted and re-rolled my character. Did you go Dark Elf? I went Dark El. Usually I go Argonian. I love the lizards.
Starting point is 00:43:32 Yeah. But I went with Dark Elf this time for Evil Mike. I was really role-playing this. My goal was to try to kill every MPC in the game. There's definitely some railroads. There's some restrictions on that. You're not allowed to just start murdering everybody. And so, yeah, Evil Mike has been kind of held
Starting point is 00:43:49 back a little bit on that. But I love the freedom of these games. I think that's what oblivion showed me way back in the day was the idea that you could equip the bow, use the bow all day long, or all of a sudden you're with a mace or you're with a claim or it doesn't really matter what you have. You can do anything and have fun any way you want every time you turn it on, which is cool. But don't you feel committed at some point? Never. No, no. Never. I mean, except for when I get the blades, Catana. It's pretty messed up that they took the katana away from me early I hate that. Yeah, the dungeon, the sewers, they take,
Starting point is 00:44:20 I was so mad on stream of what they're taking away. I got it pretty quick when I got to be a blade. Of course. And then I was upset when I found a sword that was way better. And I was like, well, sell this fucking katana. I don't eat this shit. I saw a cool TikTok saying that if you go Argonian with the lizard guy, you're poison,
Starting point is 00:44:36 poison won't hurt you. Oh, yeah. So there's like a couple of moments where, you know, there's all this poison in the room and they're just kind of tanking all of it and allowing the poison to kill the enemies, which I thought was really neat. Greg, what class did you go with? I know you already mentioned kind of sword fighting, but
Starting point is 00:44:50 what class? What race did you pick? You went Qajit. Cajit, hailing from the province of elsewhere. They are intelligent, quick and agile. They make excellent thieves due to their natural agility and unmatched acrobatic skills. A Cajit can see in the dark. That's my power there. And it is the thing...
Starting point is 00:45:06 How does that... Yeah. What does that look like? It's a spell I can cast over and over that will give me your vision. Yeah, I forget what they call it. There's an actual... Does it outline enemies or does it just make the screen brighter as if you're like purplely like bright so you're kind of getting like night vision out of it. Yeah. I've never seen that. That's cool.
Starting point is 00:45:21 Yeah, it's not too shabby when I was like, I was playing a dungeon and I was like, all right, is this a Bethesda bug or am I missing something? So it's like I'm using clairvoyance to see where I had to go eventually and it's just running me to a dead end. And then enemies are appearing and I can hear like the enemies I'm supposed to fight like, what are you doing over there? I'm like, all right. All right, do they spawn in the walls? I'm like, I use the night vision. I'm like looking all around.
Starting point is 00:45:43 Like, no, this is just a broken dungeon. I'll come back and come back. I was having some struggle with speechcrafted. I did that. I'm born under the tower as my birth sign. The class I rolled was barred. Intelligent and personable. They prefer to accomplish tasks with their words first and sword second.
Starting point is 00:46:00 Specialization stealth. And I'm currently level 15 right now as I play through it. Yeah, I'm using sword and board as well. You know, I'm not a creative person. So I jumped in and it was like I'm going to kind of let the game come to me on what I want to be. But, you know, usually I end up being bone arrow and being very strong. stealthy or daggers. You know, that's why I like using that a lot too.
Starting point is 00:46:19 And I've been just very open to letting the game tell me what the best weapon I have is and then going with it. So right now I'm running a glass long sword. You know, it's doing 12 damage, which is what I, I wanted to be, like, these vampires can't be fucking killing me. I need DPS. I need to be owned their ass, you know. And that's a big reason why I love summoning a homie in a game.
Starting point is 00:46:38 We watch the Borderlands for preview or whatever that reveal was, seeing the Vex lady class that you can summon your little spectral tiger or whatever the hell. I loved always having something that could grab agro and pull agro as I'm trying to get these critical headshots. So I summon my little skeleton guy and I really enjoy it. And Greg, I notice you're playing on a little Rog ally right there. Your ROG ally. That's right, everybody. Not sponsored. R OG. No, but if you want to. Yeah. Rog. L. X. I want to get a, this is, you know, again, Greg, I've been talking at length about this, like doing the Outer World's replay.
Starting point is 00:47:12 And so doing a re-review of that. And so I want to, I'm going to get my plane time in with it this way that I have even more to say about it and I want to do like a review or my thoughts on it later because top level I love it like the Rog Ally X and the the Rog AlliX partnered with Xbox Play Anywhere is fucking choice.
Starting point is 00:47:30 Like it's exactly what I wanted where I've complained before about Steam deck but I want to be able to boot multiple things blah blah blah blah but like Not having to do these weird installations and boots and stuff But in like you know I'm a big baby obviously about PC gaming as you know but like you know I got the Xbox app
Starting point is 00:47:44 and I got Steam and I'm just in there doing the damn thing. And so the ability of playing this on the Series X at my desk or the series X at home on the giant screen, right? And then having it ready to go here is just so amazing. And it's to the point that I was talking about this. Like, it is actually happening what I've warned the world about for so long. Where it's making me, I think, an Xbox gamer. This isn't a bit.
Starting point is 00:48:07 Where, you know, I started Expedition 33 with the Steam code they gave us, right? And then I was like, okay, cool. And I was playing on the Rog Ally X. And then I fell off, but I want to get back to it. And I'm like, you know what? I'm going to restart this. And I'm going to restart it on the Xbox version of the game so that I can play it on the Xbox series X at home and have the big TV experience I want, which I know I could plug and play. But there's a million other things to get a PC that would be not handheld quality plugged into a TV.
Starting point is 00:48:31 But that's just not my scene. Do that over there. And it's the same thing with blueprints. I started blueprints on Steam. Oh. I'm like, no, no. I'm going to, I did that when we first got code. I put two hours in.
Starting point is 00:48:40 I'm like, all right, when I come back to that, Xbox as well. So I'm becoming an Xbox gamer strictly on the fact that I want to... Wow. He's taking advantage of the ecosystem. I mean, I love my remote play, you know, portal. Don't get me wrong, but I'm getting on a plane this week. That doesn't help me. So like having everything ready to go there is where it is.
Starting point is 00:48:56 However, though, performance wise, I assume is why you're asking, right? Yeah, like, how's your working? Series X has been awesome. I haven't had any crashes. I love the way it all sinks and saves. I think it looks gorgeous. It's so nice to play it there. And then over here on the Rock Allie, yeah, I'm running it at.
Starting point is 00:49:08 I went and watched a PC video. Whoa. So that somebody, I didn't want to, I didn't, I don't always have to drop it on Andy's desk and say make it look good, please. I love doing that, though. I know you do. And it's one of those. Even when I didn't,
Starting point is 00:49:20 I jumped through a bunch of hoops because the rock alley's got a bunch of like different settings. And this person was going through doing exactly that. I didn't even think it looked that good. So I think I am just running at basic. Yeah, I'm just running a basic low right now. Of course, you know.
Starting point is 00:49:31 That's kind of a handheld way. Yeah, exactly. And it looks, it looks fine. It doesn't look great. Obviously, you know, frame rate's not amazing. One of my running.
Starting point is 00:49:37 I think I limited the frame rate. Probably 30. Yeah, yeah. Oh no, I'm running on capped on frame rate right now. I don't know what I'm getting. I haven't thrown it up. But it looks good enough. And again, when I, it's good enough for especially this game, you know, an older game that is new again.
Starting point is 00:49:52 And then the fact of like when I want to just throw it up on the TV when I can. But I think it's an interesting one where it fits so well on the handheld. Like again, I think I'm even more forgiving of the shortcomings, the dated things when I'm playing it on the handheld. Because it feels like, okay, cool. I'm playing a giant RPG on my handheld. It's fun. What's the accessibility like with text? Is there any text that's way too small for the screen?
Starting point is 00:50:18 No, not for me. No, I've been able to read everything fine on the rag. I was doing the blueprints run last night and it was just like, man, I would... I can see what I'd be wrong. Those words are real tough to read on the little like map layout or whatever. It's more like, you know, like, I'll jump in and like with it being on low settings.
Starting point is 00:50:32 Like, I'm like, all right, I need to go to one of the merchants. And I run over to these blurry signs. And I'm like, ah, fuck, are you the armor? You're going to be selling me. Mike, do you think you're going to keep on continuing with Abilvian? Oblivion and a lot of Bethesda RPGs will always be my comfort food game. I think I'll always be able to jump back into it. I don't see myself running through this one anytime soon as a priority,
Starting point is 00:50:55 but it will always be there, which is what I appreciate. I think Grand Theft Autos and old school Bethesda games are always like my just go-to. These are my favorite games for my childhood. And I'm so happy that it got the remastered, right? Like we talked about it. we never really talked how beautiful this game is this game is unbelievable when you turn it on and like for me right i go back to my old save on my old on the original file of the game it's like you look at that and then you look at it's like man how blessed am i to have one of my
Starting point is 00:51:22 favorites of all time get this uprise and this treatment and it looks so good especially damn because i always saw these games even at the time as ugly like i was never a fan of the art direction or art style and um And a lot of that just kind of like compounded when even, you know, fall in New Vegas and then Skyrim. And I was like, God, they just, ugh, I don't want to exist in any of this. Yeah. And so to have Virtuos, I think, do a pretty killer job making, remaking all these assets
Starting point is 00:51:54 from the ground up, making, using Unreal Engine 5's just like super goaded lighting system. It runs, it also runs really great when it doesn't crash. I was impressed by that. I'm surprised you guys having so many crashes. I only had one crash, but I don't want to speak for everybody and make it seem like the game is perfect because I know other people are having issues out there. But I was very impressed with how amazing the game was looking, running in 4K, super high, you know, really good frame rate and it looking as amazing as it did. And it was only using like 50% of my GPU. So I was pretty impressed by how lightweight it was because the game is massive.
Starting point is 00:52:31 I mean, it's 100 plus gigs, right, Mike? Like it's a big old. to download, yeah, I believe. It's very big. You want those high 4K res textures. You know, it's going to be a big-ass download. And it's just one of those. It's so beautiful and it's just fun to walk from point to point, explore the map.
Starting point is 00:52:46 There's so much to find and see just like any other Bethesda game. But yeah, it's wild to think here we were 20 years ago and here we are now getting to, you know, enjoy this all over again. I love it. And again, I think something I talked about a little bit back that I want to call out is the fact that there's so little handholding. which I know is off-putting to people, right? Maybe you don't want to Google or have a strategy guide or whatever. But it also was awesome for me of like, you know, one of the early quests I was on was like, all right, cool, you know, your next clue is going to be where the river meets the bay. And like, you know, it was like, and it doesn't like drop the pin where you need to go.
Starting point is 00:53:20 So it's like, I look at the map, like, oh, I go down there. I get down to where the river meets the bay or whatever. And I look across the way, and granted, again, I'm doing this all for the first time. I look across and there's an island out there with his like weird statue. I'm like, oh, cool. So I swim over there and I get off there. and I'm like, oh, it's a three-face statue. And then it was like, I ran into just the shivering aisles DLC.
Starting point is 00:53:39 Oh, shit. And I started that and I was like, damn, this was really cool and a nice emergent gameplay moment of me just finding it. And then, of course, when I was done with that and I came back off, I'm like, all right, well, I go to this town. And then I went there and I found the thing. And it's like, okay, cool. I like again, like, I know you're going to get to super chats.
Starting point is 00:53:53 But if I can pull one out here, Dean Brown's Superchat, it said, 19 years later, the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild's Questlines and Oblivion are as fun as ever. Maybe Bethesda's best. So fun to revisit this game. It's funny because I've heard so much about these things in just gaming culture. But again, like, in a, you know, how video games are constantly waiting for you.
Starting point is 00:54:14 And, you know, they're there for you nowadays. They want to meet you where you want to be. I started the Thieves Guild quest line. I was like, okay, cool. And like, I immediately like, all right, there's two other thieves here. You guys got to go get the, one of you has to go get this, the Mcuffin or whatever, right? And maybe this is how you do. And there's no, then no thing on it.
Starting point is 00:54:31 And they like, talk to the beggars. I was like, all right. And I walked in the city and there. no beggars there. And I was like, oh, all right, well, I'm going to fuck off and do something else. And I did. And I got the message of like, all right, the other person's already found. Oh, this was a race. I didn't realize. I didn't realize it's like a question. I didn't. And I was like, I came back to it later and or slept or whatever. And then they came back. Well, my character was like, well, the other person got the Mcuffin. So maybe there's another way for me to get to this.
Starting point is 00:54:54 I was like, damn. shit. I didn't, I didn't expect it to be a timed. I was going to miss this. So I didn't do it. Shout out to Miguel Cakes for becoming a 30 month member with using their Twitch Prime member. Did you know that if you have Amazon Prime, you have Twitch Prime? Wow, wow, that harmony was fantastic. That sucks. You got to work with Nick so much. It really does. It really does.
Starting point is 00:55:16 Oh, let's get some more. I shoot my pants last 9-89-40. Get some more superchats. Mello fellow $2 super chat. Just says oblivion in all caps. We got Omega Buster with a $10 super chat. Thank you, Omega Buster. They're very generous.
Starting point is 00:55:31 So, Andy and Turtle, the best friends. So Mike's on the street. Damn. A lot of undercount for hours. I made Andy run into the middle of a battlefield with no cover to res me. And he's still mad at me for that one. Still pissed off. We had a lot of gear.
Starting point is 00:55:45 We were looking really good. I had so much good stuff. Great moment in our graders. Go check out the Vod. If you want to check it out, it's near the end of it. It's pretty much the very end of it. Because it ended the end of the night of Mike being like, Andy, resby. And I'm like, Mike, I'm not going to get to you.
Starting point is 00:56:01 It's running out. You can resby. you can read don't you fucking walk on me make it andy make it so i'm running out there middle of fucking nowhere to go res mike and i kneel down we just start getting shot by all of these other raiders in the server what a good what a great that brings me back to flashbacks of playing fortnight with kevin oh my god you just gave me so much btysd right there yang fam two dollar super chat says thank you great you deserve those three stars oh thank you i'm glad you i look forward to that i'm excited to see that that's your alternative counter one no that's the i remember we're gonna give
Starting point is 00:56:31 him the Expedition 33 spoiler cast. Joseph Park with a $5 super chat asks, what's y'all's opinions on carrying capacity? I'm enjoying the game,
Starting point is 00:56:40 but I've been so sick of carrying capacities in open world RPGs. I'll tell you what, Joseph Park. Great question. When it's a game that I don't care about
Starting point is 00:56:48 being roasted by the community on, because this is nothing I would ever do in an Eldon Ring or in a soul's game. I don't want to get blasted by the community. Wow. But a game like this
Starting point is 00:56:59 is definitely one that I would go download a mod for. And I did it in Dragon's Dogma 2. I never did the Dragon's Dogma 2 mods where you get the unlimited fast travel crystals because I still enjoyed the traveling aspect of it and that's why they wanted you to not, they wanted those things to be in much higher rarity. But I downloaded the quality of life things that I wish it had, which one of them that was very important in Dragon Zongma 2 was unlimited stamina when you're not in battle. And I downloaded that mod and it made the game so much better because you're not constantly
Starting point is 00:57:32 like, all right, I'm my guy's tired, let me keep on running. When you're not fighting, you have unlimited stamina. This is definitely a game. The oblivion remaster is definitely a game that I would be super down to go look on Nexus mods and go unlimited carrying capacity. I don't want that part of the game, because that's
Starting point is 00:57:48 not really something that's hurting the experience where it's like, no, you've got a man, it makes the experience so much better. You got to really deal with that. Sort of being encumbered. I don't want that. Get it out. Like, you know, that should be somewhere else.
Starting point is 00:58:03 If you, that should be an accessibility thing now in games. Like Starfield did. Tog all that shit off. Which I thought there was not a chance they would do. I remember when Gary was bitching about that at launch of Starfield. I'm like, dude, that's how Bethesda makes their games. They're not going to change that. And they did.
Starting point is 00:58:15 It's interesting. For me, with fall at three and on, I've never had a problem with carrying capacity. Like, I do think it's a fun, like, oh, I got to decide what I want to put down, what oh, blah, blah. This one I have an issue with it, where it's like, you know, when I did the lock picking. It gave me so many points that I leveled up my strength all the way. So I have 500. I can carry a lot. But it's like still annoying because it's a little bit more cumbersome to get, right? Like I have fast travel is restricted when you're inside the dungeon or whatever, right?
Starting point is 00:58:46 I also feel like I'm always hurting for coin in this. Like I haven't gotten to where I can't get a bed or I can't repair my things. But it's like I run into this thing and it's like, oh, like one of the quests for one of the other things is like you can, the vampire. sanctuary or whatever down south. Anyways, it doesn't matter. But you're like, oh, you can fix this place up. And I'm like, oh, that's cool. Maybe it'll be like my HQ if I fix it up.
Starting point is 00:59:07 And so I went to talk to the guy. And he's like, yeah, it'll be 2,000, 3,000 for everyone, like five of these things. I'm like, bro, I got 185 gold. Like, I got to figure out how to, you know, so it's like, right now I'm in the dungeon and I am overencumbered. And it's like, I got three weapons that are all like, I just picked up there are 500 gold or 400 gold or 400 gold. It's like, I don't want dropping in the shit.
Starting point is 00:59:26 Yeah, come on. As if he was summoned from the shadows, Gary would have pops in and says, encumbrance should be banned in all games forever. I have a problem in Bethesda games. I like to collect all the books. I find it fascinating that they, like, write these little novels and these books.
Starting point is 00:59:39 So I have a big problem of I like to collect every single book. And then do I ever read them? Of course not, Andy. Well, of course not. You know what I mean? And then, like, where do I put them? I have no way to put them either.
Starting point is 00:59:48 But just my back pocket. You got to put them in your Zoom call background whenever you, whenever you're doing a Zoom call interview. Well, that's why I thought it was like so interesting in this one, like they have the bookshop guy. Yeah. And I was like, oh, I've always been looking for you. you in a video game like this.
Starting point is 01:00:00 So I pick up all the books. I just turn them in and just go ahead. I read it real quick to make sure I'm not going to miss a quest pop. I like that. Turn it. Chuck, correct me if I'm wrong. Was it Patrick Gilbert formerly of Polygon and now? Brian David,
Starting point is 01:00:11 David Gilbert, who read all the Skyrim books. That's cool. Read every book in Skyrim. That's like my dream, but I'll never do it like that. That's like secretly like, I want to do that. Yeah. That's cool. Brian David Gilbert.
Starting point is 01:00:23 Shout Brian David Gilbert. Oh, I have so many questions. I also wanted to call out another game. that gives you way too many things to be picking up and that encumbers you as well is uh was ballers gate three that's another one where i downloaded the unlimited weight mod because i just i'm picking up so much stuff and i don't feel like it's making my i don't feel like it's lessening my experience to have more things in my bag but you're making this a worst experience by encouraging me to not loot everything i just want to be clicking on sure and not have to worry
Starting point is 01:00:55 about it you know uh that should just be a passive thing that gets forgotten about. Another super chat from Jacob Cody $2 super chat says, got a quest breaking bug that was there in the OG. Nice. Yeah. I think... I was in, when I was playing today,
Starting point is 01:01:13 I was in the Oblivion Gates and I got stuck. I looted one of the guys. And then I couldn't open doors because it still thought I was looting. So every time I would press A, it would just bring back up his body and have me continue to loot. I had to turn it off, restart the home. I think the homie
Starting point is 01:01:29 Jasek frequently in the Twitch chat also mentioned that he had a pretty bad game-breaking bug and then tried to go back to an old save and it was all just like the save, it was all corrupted. So it seems like maybe some of the old, but as the quirks, may still be there. Quarks. Jen's FC with a $2 super chat says, Evil Mike or Sees a Source for MVP. Sees a Source, of course. So many adventures, so many journeys. Evil Mike's just finding his way.
Starting point is 01:01:57 Alex. His way out there. Too early. Baby Bird trying to find his way. We got John Sim with a $5 hoop chat says no need to rank up. Just hold a controller when the lock moves slow and then click A to set lock.
Starting point is 01:02:09 Just hold up and see for yourself super easy. Hold up, okay. I'll keep that in mind. I did this. Because this is definitely a game that I really don't necessarily don't even want to try to stream a lot. It seems like a game that I want to play at night by myself where I'm just adventuring.
Starting point is 01:02:26 And I found myself. not wanting to fast travel because I am finding cool shit along the way. And it's those reasons why I loved game, more modern games like even Eldon Ring or all the, you know, the recent Zelda games where you have that. What the hell is over there? Let me go check it out. You can walk on that now. You should come join me and brother Martin on our adventures.
Starting point is 01:02:45 Co-op. We have a great time. Oh my God. That would be incredible. We have a couple more super chats before we round out the show. Superchat from Michael God of the Ness with a $5 super chat says, having played the oblivion remaster. How is your excitement for the Fallout 3 remaster changed?
Starting point is 01:03:01 And when would you want slash hope they drop it? What a great question. Fallout 3, and I've had this conversation on shows before where I think, you know, most people's first Bethesda game is their favorite Bethesda game. And I'm talking about modern ones. Obviously, I can't speak for a moral
Starting point is 01:03:17 wind, right? But it is that idea of like, what the fuck? Like, Fallout 3 coming out of the vault, like that moment and be like, I can go anywhere? Incredible. And like, it's so seared into my brain in gaming history. I mentioned virtual getting their hands on that.
Starting point is 01:03:30 And that's the thing. I can't wait. You know, do I want that? A thousand percent. When do I think it's smart to drop that? I think it's smart to drop it
Starting point is 01:03:38 right around either the season premiere or season finale of Fallout season two. I think they saw so many numbers spike, obviously, for fall at 76, fallout four, fallout three, fall at New Vegas.
Starting point is 01:03:48 Last time around season one, you want to ride that again? Drop this right then. Oh, and I don't be stoked. New Vegas remaster, though, the matchup of season two
Starting point is 01:03:56 would be nuts. Yeah, that's fun because oblivion will always be my favorite, but that's the title because it's my first one, right? So I have such a love for that. But when I think of Fallout 3, I have so many good memories of that. That was college year freshman.
Starting point is 01:04:08 We were in the dorms watching Matt play and we'd all switch off deaths, seeing the VAT system and laughing. And what a great time. Yeah, I'd be super excited to go back to that. That'd be cool. D.C. Come on. A big super chat from Gator Mash potato.
Starting point is 01:04:23 Good name. $20 superchats is playing the remaster was a nice throwback. but I also agree that it's hard to go back to it after playing modern games that really iterate on the on Bethesda game studio style like a vowed for the combat or kingdom come deliverance to for the immersion and story man just a I know we get a lot of criticism here for not giving kingdom come deliverance to its time or its flowers and and I completely agree I wish I could freeze time and just main and no life that game because it has so much.
Starting point is 01:04:56 much of so many things that I enjoy about RPGs and it was just couldn't have come at a worse time. Bad timing for us too. Riley with a big $20 SuperJat says I agree with Greg's feeling on oblivion being a comfortable food RPG. I played for many hours and love my time yet I'm not compelled to
Starting point is 01:05:12 play it and said it's made me appreciate and kind of fall in love with a vowed. Very similar thoughts today. $5 superjad from XBakth. That's funny. That's funny. I like that. It's T. It's T. H. into the X. The irony
Starting point is 01:05:26 of people judging a vow for not feeling like a true but that's the game but now disappointed that oblivion doesn't feel like avowed yeah i mean i think the the we're always looking at certain points of criticism because my issues with avowed were never that its combat wasn't fun in fact that was the main thing he's not talking about you right he's saying people yeah yeah yeah sure just general the temperature of chats but deck box watch your ass don't fucking come at us mike your ass thank you thank you for supporting this very very I see. Any final words today on
Starting point is 01:05:57 Oblivion remaster? I'm really happy they did this. I think, you know, it's one of those I would have probably never played oblivion and gone back to it. When I mentioned doing it, Mike stopped me. He was like, don't bother. It's an old kid. Don't worry. It's not going to work the way you want it to. And so the fact that they did this, I think I'm so glad they did.
Starting point is 01:06:14 And I think it speaks to the fact that it's resonating with me, a 20-year-old game for somebody who never played it, let alone then for it resonating with Mike in the audience, people who have these cherished memories of it. So I think it's a, it's a great example of how these remasters do matter and can really speak to an audience that you didn't have before, but it's found out about you since then. Mike?
Starting point is 01:06:34 It's a special one for me, having a childhood game, come back up and get the glow up and just get the love and care that it deserves. And to have it at the forefront this year with all these other great games and people celebrate this and going back and seeing people streaming it live on Twitch, seeing people in our live audience talk about their memories and how much. much fun they're having with it right now is special to me. I think the team did an incredible job. How beautiful this game is. It runs well. There's
Starting point is 01:07:01 bugs. There's problems. But like, when you when it's really going, it's a great time and an awesome experience. And so I'm just very happy and lucky to have a game that I love come back into my life like this. I think what makes me super sad about it is just the the potential for what could
Starting point is 01:07:17 have been a mass effect remake in this style, right? They came out the, they came out with the Mass Effect Collection Column. Mass Effect Collection remastered. And hearing about the development cycle there, it sounded
Starting point is 01:07:33 very troubled because it's, it's an Unreal Engine 3 game that is stuck on Unreal Engine 3. We can't, the people who have all the coding and the knowledge of it don't work here anymore. So we're going to update the lighting as best as possible and we're going to
Starting point is 01:07:50 give remaster textures, but it's still going to look the way it does as opposed to what, you know, what a gargantuan task this was to remake this many assets and have them look so high-res and so amazing. And I, like, man, I wish that we could have gotten, not even just a trilogy remake. That's like pie in the sky. I wish we could have gotten like a Mass Effect One remake in this style with full art assets and everything and have Virtuos pop off. And, you know, it does bum me out. And I hope that maybe we can revisit those RPGs sometimes seeing with a better coat of paint. We do have a couple of,
Starting point is 01:08:23 last second, Hail Mary. My apparel's always broken. Huh? My apparel is always broken. Really? When I get into fights with people, immediately breaking it. No, the mod you can download.
Starting point is 01:08:32 Legitarily like, that's something you could just be like, oh, make apparel break less. A couple of Hail Mary last second super chats from Robbie Robb says, what's the funniest moments you've had? Oh, my God. Watching Greg do something silly recently was funny. No, if you're talking about it in the game,
Starting point is 01:08:49 I think the conversations are hilarious. The speech crap. moments of how's it going? I sell the best gear and you go into speech craft. I don't want nothing to do with you. All right. Thanks for seeing you. Get out of my face.
Starting point is 01:09:03 It's like I love how just goofy it is. I love having someone come and follow you as like a short term companion and then growing attached to them and then they die in front of you and that feeling of like, damn, I didn't want you to make it all the way with you. Last second, super chat from Volk Dasher with a $10. Superchat. Thank you, Volk. Says, this game and Skyrim with Fallout 3 is why I'll never be mad at Bethes and never give us an elite game again. Most devs can't say they have three to three or four legendary level games. Shut one down. He's closing an oblivion gate. Wow. Nothing cooler than seeing the first oblivion gate in this remaster and how gorgeous that is with the color and the darkness in the background in front of that castle. It's like, oh my God, this is crazy. I really enjoyed it on the stream when I ran into the first oblivion gate. Somebody made the comment of like, imagine just running. running straight into an oblivion gate with no fear. I respect it because I was like,
Starting point is 01:09:57 I was this supposed to be tough because it didn't feel tough. Thank you, everybody, for watching and listening to this episode of the Games cast. Let us know your thoughts in the comments below on Oblivid Remaster. Do you plan on hopping in? Or are you still knee-deep in Expedition 33? Because I'm, let me tell you, I'm replaying it from, you know, after beating it for the review. Watching these cutscenes, it's crazy,
Starting point is 01:10:19 re-watching these cutscenes and the amount of stuff and knowledge that they're dropping that meant nothing to me back in my first. Holy shit. Eddie, you ready for this fucking spoiler cast? Spoiler cast, baby. Thanks for watching everybody. Cat Bailey. Have a lovely weekend.
Starting point is 01:10:35 Take care of yourself. Take care of each other. And we'll see you back on Monday. But stick right here because there will be an and-door spoiler cast followed by the finale for game showdown. Can I do it? The underdog story of Greg Miller constantly shoved down into a pile of you. shit by Tim Getty's in Game Showdown. Can I finally write those wrongs?
Starting point is 01:10:57 I successfully cashed in, stars in the bank. Can I do what God and or Satan wants me to do and win this? We'll see you next time. Goodbye gamers.

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