Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - The Last of Us: What We Want Next - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Episode Date: September 26, 2024

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What's up everybody? Welcome to the Kind of Funny Games cast for Thursday, September 26th, 2024. I'm one of your host, Greg Miller, alongside Forbes 30 under 30, aka the New York Game Awards nominated, aka Glasses Poppy. Blessing Eddie O'Yea, Jr. Good morning, Greg. How are you doing? I'm great. Great. I appreciate the compliment on my glasses. Yeah, the glasses you're always killing on.

And again, let's recognize the biceps. All right? Thank you. Because you're wearing shirts a lot lately that are just fucking rocking them. You know what I mean? You know, I'm going to the gym. I know you are. If I'm not, if I'm just putting on sweatshirts every single day.

What's the point? Yeah, why am I going to the gym? What do you mean? Like, as if I'm hiding my thing in a 2xel, you know, I'm hiding my body here? Take off the shirt, Greg. Well, no, it's last of us, Dan. Don't show off the biceps. Oh, please.

They know. You're going to need those biceps. We've seen them. Yeah, you've seen them, Andy. Clicking heads and ripping them to shreds the globe. Trotin head shot and three points shooting root and tootin. Nitro rival from Twitch.tv. Andy Cortez.

Morning, Greg. Good morning. How are you? You also have fantastic glasses. I want you to know. Thank you. Yeah. Oh, wow.

Thank you. What? Really nice. Oh, anytime, man. I love you. He's complaining a lot today. What do you think he's hiding? I don't know.

Listen, some things are going to come out. I'm going to need the opposite. I'm going to need people over here with the good things. Are we about to find out more stuff? Netflix is. Netflix is filming the Mr. Miller documentary. Exactly. You know,

we're worried about that. Positive things. I've been thinking about looking into getting those meta, the Raybans. The Gary Winneglades. Because they're nice. I like a good chunky black frame. Always have.

And then, of course, I like goofy tech like that. I like wearable tech, right? That's what I want the heads-up display. Yesterday they announced a bunch of stuff of like in start looking and scanning and doing things. I hate talking to people and they're on the phone, though. You know, because I've had it before.

What am not going to be on the phone? you're not going to talk to then why are you getting them if you're not going to like you know use them to chat with them yeah camera stuff recording stuff I mean headphones yeah okay I see you're saying because like my because I guess my thing is more so talking to somebody and they're in a whole different world and I'm like now I just wait for stuff I do love I understand that and I respect that and I love you look great you are the king of that of I walk in and I'm five minutes in a talk you have these chunky ass but you see the head turn it down how is it that line we're the only people in the fucking room there's a different energy though

and we've experienced I know We have. Hand where Gary Widow was in the fucking office. And Roger had full on conversations with him, and Gary just looked like he was cold shouldering Roger. And you guys know I wouldn't do that. And that's different than blessing, obviously, wearing headphones. Because what I'm hearing headphones, I'm just saying,

Blessing music cannot be that loud. That one were the only people in there, I'm like, hey, Boss, how you know, what's your day? Like, he's just like, when they get in there, man, I'm telling you me, these earbuds are different. I'm saying the PlayStation Poles here, earbuds, they're really good. We don't want to be cool. I believe it's called the PlayStation Explorer.

I thought I'd be able to What would be awesome with these glasses If they had tech in them Where if you were in the other world They go frosted That would be cool And it tells the person Oh they're not like

Ready to accept the conversation For me right now You know I'm pretty stupid Really neat I was blown away When an airplane window did that The first time

That's awesome That blew me away The dark The dark one says we need to We need to smack people With these things more We defeated Google Glass We can defeat metaglasses

But my point is Google Glass did look dumb I agreed, but I thanked everybody for using it that used it because I hoped we were on track to getting what I want, which is just regular ass-looking glasses with functionality. Like, don't get me wrong. I still want, I want a heads-up display, but that's not what these meta-glasses do. But have, like, for the, I hate digging from my AirPods, being able to sync up and have a conversation, but I'd go in the conference room. I would just sit there, blessing, and just be like, mid-conversation with you. Just like, I'm activated like the winter soldier.

There was a time, this is before even these glasses, so I don't even know how I let this happen. I think they were wearing like Bluetooth earbuds or something where one of my friends, he's just hanging out. And like I start talking to him. And like he's talking about like wanted to go to the movies and watch the new despicable me. And I'm like, oh, yeah, dude, I love to go. And he's like, yeah, we can go tomorrow. I'm like, oh, let's do it. And then like after a while he just gives me like a weird look.

And then I realized that he's on the phone with his sister making plans with her to go see Dispigable Me. Whole time I thought he's making plans with me. I'll never do that to you guys, all right? I just want it because they seem neat and things that can happen. I like setting a reminder to him, bad at that kind of thing. Video quality really good. Yeah, I know. Everything is his Mexico footage.

The forbidden stuff. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It looked really good. That's crazy. That's crazy. You know what I mean? We're not here to talk about glasses yet.

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No big deal. Awesome. Housekeeping for you. Remember, we are all about live talk shows at Kind of Funny. Your day started with Kind of Funny Games Daily, where they went through the PS5 Pro debacle. Did you try to get one? I was doing a demo, so I couldn't listen.

Did you try to get one? I tried to get the anniversary, and then when my waiting was up, it then took me to the page for the regular PS5 Pro. And then I stared at it. And then I almost put a message in general of like who wants one. And then I decided to just DM him directly because I feel like Tim would be the only one that really one one. He never responded. And so I just didn't. So he does a waste of a cue.

Did you try to get one? You care? You wanted one. I tried. I tried. I had it. You tried for the anniversary? Try for the anniversary.

Okay. Especially at the $1,000 mark. I was going to be a lot more. I was like, wow, I can make a lot more profit when I try to sell this on eBay, you know, for $4,000. Sure. No, I really, I wanted it. I didn't get it. So I had the one hour sort of, you know, you have to wait one hour or whatever.

And the yellow bar, I was like, is this growing or not? I can't tell. Am I, like, sacking myself out? Am I too low on sleep or whatever? You do that thing where you like dry erase marker on the screen? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So then what I did was I left it up on my

My phone went back to sleep for about 38 minutes, which is how long I had. Woke up, saw that it was up, sold out, got the regular PS5 Pro. Congratulations. Thank you. Of course, after this, we are streaming some video games. The dev team from Batman Arkham Shadow is here. They're going to show off an unannounced feature for the game. And while I got to play it earlier, that was the demo I was taking.

We'll talk about it there too. And then after that, there's a sponsor stream for Wizard of Legend too, Andy. Yeah. you will become the Wizard of Legend. Me and Mike playing a co-op Roguelight Bullet Hell that's fun. If you're a kind of funny member, you can get today's Greg Way

all about the video game bug that changed my life. And of course, thank you to our Patreon producers, Carl Jacobs and Delaney Twining. Today we're brought to you by Shady Raisin Hems, but we'll tell you about that later. For now, let's begin with what is and forever will be topic of the show.

Ladies, gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen and NBs. It is Last of Us Day. Formerly Outbreak Day, of course, in the Last of Us universe, the day when the outbreak truly began and the cortiseps made their move on humanity

and all hell broke loose. Do you think we'll ever get back to Outbreak Day? No. Yeah, mate, and no. It's like changed to Pandemic Day. COVID Day. It'll happen again, you know. Yeah, we learned our lesson there,

you know. Yeah, I definitely liked Outbreak Day. better. In COVID times, I thought it makes sense to get away from it, but we've beaten it. Was it all a hoax? No one's 100% here. Does the vaccine do anything? Who knows? You've had it. Exactly. Why did I get it? I got the vaccine. Think about that.

No, vaccines work. Take vaccines. I like it better, but it's still here, and it's still an exciting one. You know, it's crazy to look back and think that this is, you know, it's 11 years old. Last of us came out on June 14th, 2020, or 2013. outrageous to think it's been that long. Part two, of course, June 19th, 2020, and the show debuting January 15th, 2023. I don't know, man. 11 last of us days have happened now.

That's outrageous. That's crazy, Andy. That is pretty wild. Like, every year, it reminds you of N7 Day, right? Big Mass Effect fan. I love whatever news is going to come on N7 Day. It's usually merch. Yeah, and S7 Day used to be a big deal.

Alprang Day, I feel like it used to be a bigger deal. well. We got a trailer last time though, right? Didn't we get some kind of Mass Effect teaser Yeah, it's like a 10 second Walk cycle, wasn't it? Yeah. But before that, you know, it was merch every year for the last five years, right? No, six years dating back to Andromeda.

But Last of Us day has been pretty massive recently with the show stuff, yeah. Of course, today's news includes The Last of Us Part 1 is coming to PlayStation Plus today and part of the catalog there. Starting today, Steam owners can purchase new Last of Us themed animated stickers, avatars, and more

via the Steam Points Shop. Among them is the last of a themed Steam startup deck movie. Do you see that? No. Fair, could you pull that up? I know, I didn't link that because whatever. But I know I did.

No, I didn't. No, it's in the last of us news day. Article. Okay, good. Then, yeah, that link, I thought that was me doing some other link. If you can go there and scroll down, yeah, you know how I like Steam Deck, obviously.

I love my TV. You get the little startup videos. Well, I'm explaining somebody else. When you start your Steam Deck right, and you get the boot page of the Steam Deck logo, you can go through in the Steam Shop. and buy a bunch. I use vampire survivors. I'm a big of vampire survivors fan. This one, cool, but not cool enough for me to change over. I've decided.

Sam. Oh, that's pretty neat. I bet you it looks super sick on Orlando. Yeah, well, I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. You know, maybe one day. You should do multiple of them and then just have a, have a do it randomly, you know? I like that. Is that possible? Yeah. At least the ones that you get officially through Steam. Like, I've got like the portal one. I've got a few others that I do. And I got a cyberpunk one. It just like randomly chooses whenever I turn it on. It's great.

Then, of course, there's new Last of Us merchandise, including a pretty sick raincoat. Reminds me a lot of my old Peacewalker raincoat, but I digress. More importantly, the most important thing is that there is a teaser trailer for Last of Us season two, everybody. We finally have a look at this. I have not watched it.

Andy, have you watched it? No. Plus, did you end up watching it? There was debate about putting it in games daily. No, I'm not. Ooh, okay, we're in a live react to it, everybody. Yeah, look at that's a good raincoat, though. Throw it back up.

You know? Now, granted, you look like, what, a Sarah fight or whatever? like you're killing people in the woods, but like it's still a cool rank. I just love a neck, a neck like that, like the net where the fabric goes up. You can kind of cover your mouth with it? Yeah, it's just, it's so like anime and sci-fi. Sure. Oh, let me see Blessings, Steam Deck Star.

Oh, yeah. Looks real familiar. I don't know where you know that from. It was Pornhub. It's Pornhub, Jen. I didn't know they had an official one on the Steam Shop for that one. Oh, you know. Yeah, they've gotten creative.

Of course, the Last of Us, season two is coming our way. and delving into everything going on in part two. We are going to live react to the trailer right now. We will do our best to talk through it if you're an audio listener. I don't even know how much is going on, though, but I'm ready when you are, Barrett, Courtney. Hey there, kiddo. You want to start or what?

Catherine Arrow, let's go. Jacks. Wintertime. It looks like the game. She's going to go in a snowball fight in a second. That's my name. I was going to guitar. Let's try something different.

Just learning. Guys, come on. You can't heal something unless you're brave enough to say it out loud. Her and Dina. They're already just crushing it. Fucking same thing. Say the thing you're afraid to say. Say it out loud no matter what it is, no matter how bad.

Hey. That's fucking awesome. Forget the happy intro gamers. It was a giant group running at them, by the way. Oh, the Whistler, Whistler people, SeraFits, yeah, Sarah fights. Tony Parker. Jeff Wright playing Jeff Wright.

Ah. Oh my goodness. Gooseys. A little Pearl Jam right there. You got it. You got to have it in there. Last of Us 2025. That was fucking hot.

That was fucking hot. That was really good. Can we go back? don't we don't need to do the frame by frame barrett, but can we go back and can you give me when Ellie's being held there at the end screaming and crying? Because I assume it's the moment, right? But it looked like

a difference blocking for it because in the game she's down on the ground, right? But maybe I'm wrong. Obviously, I'm extrapolating things. It's also, it's interesting because the lighting is different. It seems different as well. Oh, you can tell. She's acting her ass off. That's definitely the scene. She's acting

her ass off right here. Yeah. It's exciting. Also, she... This could also be... In a tube top? She looks shirtless. Yeah, I was going to say... Yeah, this could be a seraphite scene as well.

Hmm. Because they're... They'd be clippling wings for sure. Yeah, like seeing, like, other people being torture or something. Like, there's a possibility that they go even further than the scene in the video game, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, they're going to deviate a bit in some ways, right? Of course, I'm going to go to Deadline, if you haven't been keeping up.

This is an old article. of course, for some reason on this one, I didn't put it. This is Nelly Andriva from June 2024. Talking about season two, talking to Neil, talking to Craig. Of course, when season two arrives in 2025, it will be shorter than season one. Season one was nine episodes, season two is seven episodes. Craig was very quick to point out that this isn't a bad thing. This isn't them trying to cram things in.

It's actually them taking their time. Quote, the story material that we got from part two of the game is way more than the story material that was in the first game. So part of what we had to do from the start was figure out how to tell that story across seasons, Mason said. When you do that, you look for natural breakpoints.

And as we laid it out, this season, the national breakpoint, felt like it came after seven episodes. I imagine it means natural, and that's a typo, but I'm going to read what they wrote. That's what they wrote.

That's deadline. That's deadline. That means that Mason and Druckman envisioned the series running for at least three seasons and possibly four. So far, The Last of Us has been picked up

through season two by HBO, so further seasons will depend on viewership, something the duo is cognizant of. Quote, we don't think that we're going to be able to tell the story even within two seasons, two and three, because we're taking our time and go down interesting pathways, which we did a little bit in season one, too, Mason said. We feel like it's almost assuredly going to be the case that, as long as people keep watching and we can keep making more television, season three will be significantly larger, and indeed,

the story may require season four. later in the interview, Mason sounded even more definitive. Quote, one thing is absolutely for sure. I don't see how we could tell the story that remains after season two is complete

in one more season. Yeah, as soon as they said seven episodes, immediately I went to, oh, this has to be at least three seasons then of what LastWist 2 content there's going to be. Because I can't imagine you getting to the midpoint break of Last Was 2

and only seven episodes. That feels like just way too much time to cover in just seven episodes of content. But then that leads me to ask the question, what would be the natural break points then? Because then, you know, you have the easy one of, all right, cool, when you switch perspectives, are we going to get, are we going to cut earlier? Barrett has an idea. If we're thinking of this story being over the course of three seasons.

And real quick time out, real quick time out. I think you're here. We're talking about where we want the last of us to go. I want to be clear. I think we can, we're just doing spoilers. Spoilers are on from here. I would imagine you know enough about this. Um, they're talking about possibly breaking it up into three seasons or two?

Both. Yeah, Craig is saying he doesn't see how he could do two, indicating he thinks there'd be a fourth. See, I think of it more so as like we do, we end the second season at the break, right? You do season three is Abby's perspective. And then season four is expanding that last like few hours into something a bit more than just the, you know, it being just, the last three hours of California. See, yeah. I wonder if we don't get Joel's death until the end of season two.

That's what I'm thinking to. I think what if you let it cook that long? Because everybody loves these characters in this world, right? Tell more side stuff and more things. And we can look through this and see if there's anything beyond it. Like this scene itself, I feel like is an indication that that's not true, right? I'm also like, where's the subways or, I mean, we're seeing the serifides. But again, I'm thinking of, but think about, I mean, and I hear you and I'm not.

saying anybody's wrong, but it is TV, right? You could say he's wrong. No, no. I mean, we don't know, right? So I'm thinking, but it's TV, right? Flash forwards, flashbacks, all these different things. You're introducing tantalizing things that for us we'd all freak out about, right? But maybe for everybody else they won't.

And that's my thing is I think, you know, maybe that builds in time for you to even set up the seraphites a bit more independently of us, you know, meeting them through Abby and through Ellie. Like, what if it is, instead of just the two perspectives, it is now three. and you're adding in, like, Lev's perspective or Lev's sister's perspective as a thing, and we're getting those coinciding storylines at the same time, and they somehow meet up toward the end of season two.

I know that's tougher to do with the Sarah fights, but I think a powerful season two ending would be to build the Ellie and Abby story, at least independently, and then at the end, maybe in the last couple of episodes, get them finally meeting, and it's like, oh, shit, all right, the meeting of Titans is here. Yeah, yeah.

Do you worry about losing audience members by killing him at the end of season two. Well, see, my thing is, I think, I think penultimate episode you'd kill him. Because I think you'd get, and this is in this world. I think the natural bray point, yes, is to tell Ellie's story,

then start Abby's or whatever. But the way I would do it, if you're like, no, no, we're just going to do this, right? I think you have to have the last episode of the season, or maybe even the second to last season, episode of the season, be the morning. You know what I mean?

Of Abby, Ellie going in and hugging the jacket and going through his stuff and finding the space books and all that stuff, right, of seeing him trying to connect again, and you know how much they flashed back around here. And then, I think the way to set you off for the next season in this world, if that's what you're doing, it would be the, all right, let's go fucking, Tommy shows up,

and we know we saw, let's go, and they go on. Load of the Rings, Fellowship of the Ring, let's go hunt some work. Yeah, yeah. So are you saying that they tell a fuck ton of original story leading into the penultimate episode of season two? I'm saying throughout, I'm saying throughout season two

when we're talking about trying to, why would you have flashbacks? Why would you have the serifice? Why would you have this? I think you're introducing more people that you have to flesh out in a different way. Yeah, that's my thought too. If that's how they did it.

I think you maybe take more time to flesh out in that way. And I think there's, I think there's flashback stuff that maybe you could fill in into season two as opposed to like doing it throughout the rest of the episodes. Of course, like the pivotal flashbacks you save,

right? The flashbacks of toward the end of last list where we get the reveal of, what was it, Ellie? essentially telling Joel to fuck off. It's been a long time now, so I can't remember the exact verbiage, but maybe you saved that for when that happens in the natural progression of the story.

But I feel like there's other stuff in terms of building the characters. Maybe you can even have Abby, a younger Abby and her experiencing what happened with her dad, right? Like maybe you can have that in a season two as opposed to getting there in season three or four. We had a full last episode about Bill and Frank, right?

I think this show in season one took really took its time. And there were several episodes where it's like, man, we're like, I expected more to have happened. I'm still enjoying it, but they are really kind of taking their time getting to these next story beat. So it feels like they can kind of stretch out one plot beat into a full episode if needed, you know? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean, you should see what they end up doing with it.

Yeah. It's one I've thought about a lot because I think it's an interesting conversation as far as the reaction to Elasas 2 from the audience. obviously Nottie Dog is seeing all of the shit, right? And like there's so many levels as far as the reaction last was too, as far as like, you know, there's the pure toxic reaction of like, you know, just gamers being, like, the toxic faction of gamers being toxic. But then I think there is like legitimate critical, you know, analysis they can have around last and far too and whether it's successful

when telling the kind of story I wants to tell what are the things that it could do better. Is it a masterpiece? What does Neil think about all of it, right? Has Neil had, Harder would not even be the right way to put it, but like, different perspective, right? Has four years of Last List Part 2 being out, has his perspective on how he would like to tell this story

in a different format, changed it all. Because I'm of the mind that, like, I think it is a large ask of the audience to, and I think we got this with Last List 2, the video game, right? Introduce us to Abby, have her immediately kill Joel, and then get us on Abby's side. That's like the entire mission of the game, and I think it worked for a lot of people,

but I think for a lot of people... But mediums are different, right? Mediums are different. Yes. And I know that's the point you're making. But I want to say, like, for... If this was just Neil making a show for the first time or whatever, I think what he's going to do, he's going to do.

Craig Mason is from the television world. The television world is cognizant of literally where everyone left the Walking Dead, right? Glenn gets killed. What's the Walking Dead? Glenn gets killed, right? Abraham, too. but like Glenn gets taken out and so many people were like

oh I don't like this I don't like that I don't want to be a part of this and da da da and whereas in the comic that was such a moment right where it was like I gotta keep reading I got to know more up blah for so many other people in television it was a turnoff

so I really do think for season two right you've got to have it be we have to understand Abby's motivations in a different way right like I don't know if it makes sense to is it bold enough that season two opens with Abby Moringer's dad, and that's where we start.

And then it's like, you know, then we're back to Joel and Ellie. You kind of forget about that. And then we see the introduction to her. My other argument with it, too, and this is like, you know, to add on to the exact point I think we're making here is, last part two is a video game, right? In terms of mediums are a different thing. I think part of what last was part two, the video game tries to do as far as getting us back on Abby's side or like trying to us, like, show us both sides of the story and get

at least identify with Abby to a bit, even if you don't end up blackneck. character or whatever it is. It is they literally put you in her shoes. They give you the controller and go, hey, you're controlling this character for 10 hours. Yeah. And you don't have a choice in the matter. I think part of what Last List 2 is doing is as a video game like, you know, critiquing what it means to like, you know, have access to these violent actions and when take out these violent actions as these characters in a story, you don't really have that same benefit of doing that in TV. So I think naturally you have to do it differently. I don't think you can do it beat for beat the same way that you did

in the video game. And I do think a part of, I think, helping out that, yeah, ease of, like, getting us there where it is, you know, Abby kills Joel and then we take off with Ellie on this revenge quest, is, I think, building it a bit more to a place where it is almost more of a gut punch where we get there. We're like, maybe we don't, aren't like this.

But, like, maybe a new audience is like, oh, I didn't expect this of Abby. I've known Abby for four episodes now. She wouldn't do such a thing, and then you get to where she kills him. You can't show Abby, though. Like, it needs to be a surprise. working in the chat. So the trouble is if you establish Abby's character, then the viewer will guess she will kill Joel. The impact will be completely flat

in the show. What if rather than we start with her in the hospital mourning her dad, right? What if it's the shot you saw there of her in a graveyard mourning her dad, right? And it seems like it's this weird one-off or whatever. The viewer doesn't understand that her dad got killed by Joel and Ellie, right? If you're a new viewer.

That's how you do it in the TV show. I don't know how it would play for people who've already played the game, but I think in a TV show where you said it, you're establishing this new character, and you know she lost her dad, and you don't exactly know how. And then the big buildup is that, like, oh, they found out the town where he killed, you know, that this guy is living in, and this is the guy that killed her dad and all this stuff.

And then, like, at the moment, if, like, we are doing the whole, if we're killing Joel episode, what is it, it's seven episodes this season? Yeah. Yeah. Episode six, episode seven. I think that's where the gut punch comes in, and that's how you overt a lot of people dropping off like they did the walking day. And see, I think one of the interesting things is if we're spitballing

this, which I love that we are. Episode one, we open, it's Abby mourning her father, we don't understand how he died, we don't understand what happened, it's whatever. Her setting off on her journey with her group of friends, right, looking because they want payback or whatever, maybe not even that much on the nose, but it's their daily life doing the thing for an entire

episode, right? And then yeah, at the end I think you could get to the thing where Tommy and Joel end up on their doorstep, come in like, you know, it's because we do. knock him out or whatever in credits, right? And then the viewer pieces together that that's what it was. Maybe even get a flashback to whatever of her finding your dad, dead after all of that kind of thing.

Then the next episode two is more in line with the game. That is we wake up in Ellie's shoes and we go find Dina and we're doing. We had a fight with Joel last night. We're out of time. You know what I mean? But you set it up that way to make us make the viewer understand what Abby's doing or why mad. We're on her side. This fucking sucks.

She seems cool. Oh, shit. It was Joel that ruined her life. I really do like the idea of. setting it up an Abby episode that is akin to the Bill and Frank episode where it is more staying alone. This is an Abby story. My pitch would even be maybe that could be your route of introducing the seraphites and have it be.

You know, you don't start off with Abby's dad. Maybe you start off with some kind of conflict between. You show how they get radicalized or something. Yeah. Like you show, you tell some story between the seraphites and the wolves. And maybe toward the end of the episode, that's when you get the reveal of like Abby's dad is gone. and like you have the episode on this very like you know dower note and then we don't see her until a couple episodes later or maybe the next episode where it is oh shit we learn as the audience that she's killed

or that Joel's kill her dad we'll also get a full ass dina episode you got to assume so that yeah so that adds like even more time to you know to sort of flesh out this whole season because I know six episodes if we are predicting that around maybe episode six or whatever or at least the end of the season, that's where we see Joel get that golf club, you know, the 360 yards down center landing on the fairway. Like, I, there's still plenty that they can kind of explore to fill out that time without a feeling like filler. I've not played the last was to you since last year's two came out. Right. And so, you know, I don't remember fully what that like intro sequence was before Ellie goes off to Seattle, but there was quite a bit in there, right? Like,

I remember there was the whole scene where Ellie and Dita like get lost in a place and smoke weed and all that shit. Yeah, it's like, it's a good, I would say two, maybe an hour and a half, two hour of buildup. There's a lot of going back and forth. What you're eating?

Oppositioned and chicken. Nice. Oh, wow. That's a great one. That's a great one. Bear, can you do me a favor and get the trailer back up?

One thing, I'm probably, I'm, I feel like I have not played the last of a Spartaned it. Uh-huh. But I don't remember the whole,

hoard we saw here of freakers running at them. I use days ago terminology. You know how I am. Boos are out there. Running and crushing the fence down on top of you or whatever. Yeah, that's when Abby's trying. That was a shot like recreated almost.

Yeah, that's when she's like, that's when Abby meets up with Joel and Joel saves her right here. Joel and Tommy save her. Yes. So they meet up with her. Okay. They don't know who she is. Yeah.

That's like a random person. Well, so here's my point, right? Like, I wonder if this is Ellie right here. No, that's Abby. Go back. Is it really? Yeah, I'm sorry.

I take back everything I was going for. I apologize. And then, yeah, you're right. Then it is the handgun of Joel coming in. Okay, cool, cool, cool. Hey there, kiddo. How buff do you think she is under that jacket? You think she does that the biggest biceps.

Big veins, yeah. The horrors before they get back in lunch, I guess, so yeah, I forgot that point. She doesn't even use a golf club this time. Was it that big of a hole? Bunches his head off. Yeah. I remember, I remember her going on the walk with her

X and then going on the thing. What happened? What happened there? She just dropped a bunch of water. He wasn't even like a spit tank. He just had a bunch of water fall out. I was like, what the fuck?

I didn't say a joke this time. I just thought back to Bob Happy again for some reason. And water just fell out. You just think about Abby punching Joel's head off. Calvis says the shot is new. Somebody else says it's newly. I remember just, I remember running from.

the zombies, but I remember them being unfrozen and popping out. I just don't remember it being that big of a group. It was a buttload, but they probably aren't. They're exaggerating here for television, artistic license. Yeah, more scary. I hate that when they take real offense. Yeah, dramatize them. Well, it's because the PS4 couldn't read it that many.

Of course. On the PS5 pro, that's how it would look. Of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, let's get some super chats in here as we're talking about what we want out of the last of us, period, as a franchise. We want to talk about part. we're going to talk about this season two. We're going to talk about the more seasons. I want to talk about multiplayer.

A bunch of different stuff is happening here, right? But Calvin says, Calvin Perez, can't stay, but the shot of Abby by the grave is similar to Ellie in the game. I love adding stuff like that. Then I like this one to... Mara writes in it says, The entire point of the story was to make you hate Abby first, then sympathize with her.

Doing it in reverse completely undermines the themes. I'm not... saying you're wrong. You remember when I said that earlier, you guys were like, say he's wrong. But it is the idea of like, television's different and would you want to stay, especially for as long as this is going to be.

You're going to break this into three seasons of television. If you're setting up that if we hate Abby by the end of season two and then season three is her perspective, it is going to be a bitch to get people excited to go watch that. Like you need to sympathize with her early, right? You need to care about her early. Yeah. I think I worry about.

if you were to, yeah, do that switch on like a season break and have people sit with that Abby hate for, what, two years before you get that next season and it starts off and you're just getting these Abby episodes. Like, it's dangerous. Yeah, it's a public safety issue. We were riding in the streets for two years. Yeah, like, I think it's like one thing to ask you in a video game, which I think was already a tough ask.

And I think, yeah, you lost a lot of people that way. But again, it's art. So maybe that is what you want to do. Maybe that's the story you want to tell or whatever. but I think even in a video game where you're playing it usually all at once, still a tough ask and they did it in a TV show where you might have two years to sit on that. It's tough. I think it comes back to it being a different thing.

I think you can capture a lot of the same themes, though. I think you can capture all of the same things you want to say. Even if there's just one episode of us sympathizing with Abby and then the reveal that she's the one who's going to, the person she's out to kill is Joel. I think she can kill Joel and we can sit there and be like, I fucking hate her for killing Joel, but I understand a little bit of what was going on for her. And then we continue to expand on that and go that way. I agree.

I tend to agree with that, yeah. All right. Good. Everybody's on my side. Just not more. Somebody else who went through there. That's okay. It happens all the time.

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Restrictions, details, and important safety. subscription required price varies based on product and subscription plan and we're back we're sitting here during the the commercial break and i noticed bless kind of scrolling through something on his laptop and i i look up and i just see his head and his body do like a a nod of it a nod like i got yeah and i was like oh what what's going on on blessings uh laptop maybe he's reading some big news or excited about something and it's sonic necklaces, sonic jewelry. First of all, it's King Ice, they're chains.

First of all, it's King Ice. And they've announced new Sonic collaborations. And so they're adding in some characters that are some deeper cuts that I really appreciate. They got Mecha Sonic in here. They got Silver the Hedgehog. I don't know who the gold one is. It looks sick as fuck. Oh, I know who that.

Come on, I know who that one is. Is that not just a gold silver? Who the fuck? Oh, wait, is that? It looks like a weed leaf. It kind of does, yeah. Who's the gold one, Chad? Who's the silver gold one looking?

That's a good point, though. Isn't it just a gold silver? Yeah. I also want to bring up the other day when Roger posted the Sonic Cross Justice League Kind of funny games daily news. Yeah. And the conversation back and forth

was just really, really fascinating because Roger says, Sonic not being Superman is fucking insane. And Blessing Adioia Jr. applies, but also makes so much sense that he's Flash and Knuckles is Superman. Sonic is a humble king. Also, Tails a Cyborg is fucking ill. And Roger replies, Knuckles is Batman, Shadow Red Hood, Sonic Superman.

And I just, like, have you ever been more ashamed to be associated with people? I wanted you to reply to your old conversation like, gross. Here he comes. Here he comes, everybody. Come on. Here, take my seat, Defender on. Roger Percorn, get in here. Nogles is to defend his.

Nuckles is not much to defend. It's just, you know, it's just kind of fucked up that people are trying to stop us from having a normal conversation. Yeah. A normal conversation about... Joe on Air says, bro, is not beating the allegations. Listen, Sonic, it runs fast. Yeah. Just like Flash does.

Okay, but they all run fast. That's like their whole point. But Sonic runs the fastest. Sure, but like... And like, Knuckles is strong and he punches hard like Clark Kent Superman. Oh, yeah, he's got to sell him. He's smart. He's techy, like cyborg.

Yeah. I just want to let you know. the blessing was scared of getting a PS5 Pro 30th anniversary edition because he thought that like if he brought someone over they would reject him for how nerdy he which is also the same reason why don't put Sonic shit shit in my house yeah he had his Sonic 3 poster but what if you roll up with a King Ice Sonic necklace

in the day he had a Sonic 3 poster of shadow and he just looks at me he's like I love this is cool I gotta throw this away I can't take this home it's not what I can do with it is there's a shadow poster that's just under my desk I work now and I'm like I don't know to do with this. Yeah, it's not that you can put in the streaming room.

Stop shaming us, Andy. Stop shame. I love them. Love you guys. I love you guys. I'm not saying it never happens. But like, people like us tend to pair up with people like us. Like, who are you thinking you're going to bring? What supermodel?

What heart surgeon are you bringing home who's like, I've never even heard of a video game is for children? Dating apps are different, man. Dating apps are different. I'm trying to find a CEO. Yeah. I need to get my money up. God does this job isn't going to get in San Francisco I'm trying to find a high earning

A fuck am I going to get a house here Yeah If you are a doctor out there Joey Rattstone You're just hanging out of the UCSF Yeah, the hospital You're in the cafeteria buying coax Have you heard of Sonic?

Joey Radstone Super Chat while we were in commercial and said I think Joel only makes it through two episodes because Pager was already filming Fantastic Four when they were still barely in a production of season two. Andy you mentioned this,

that you had heard what he only filmed a couple days or whatever? Yeah, this was going viral on Twitter when you see the notifications from whether it was discussing film or whether even it was somebody like Neil Druckman or something saying, Pedro Pascal has, you know, ended his filming you know,

That's a rap on Pedro. It's like, and everybody was replying, oh, yeah, we know why. That is all kind of obvious. And it felt like he was on set for about seven hours, maybe. Yeah, it was about it. A couple scenes. He's efficient. Get the fuck out of there, yeah. One shot.

We need you in the barn. We need you, Porsche. We need you talking to Catherine O'Hara, who looks like she's your therapist. Yeah. Get on that gladiator

slash Marvel diet, you know, get them workouts. And they call him one take, Pedro. Yeah, that's all takes. He's efficient.

He gets it, he gets out. Pop, Pop, Pedro. Speaking of season two, and part two, then maybe being season two, three and four.

The question I have is how long do you think this show will actually run? I'm saying four seasons. Yeah? Yeah. I think the show ends at the end of last was two.

And I think it'll take them three seasons to tell. So I'm going to say it ends to season four. I don't think we get a Las West three included in here. Okay. Andy? I just, it depends on what the episode lengths are for three. Because if they shorten it down to maybe like six and six for hypothetical season three and four, that would make sense to me.

But I just, we're getting to that point where, like, what is that? maybe 25 hours of gameplay in that sort of like second half of stuff maybe 15 to 20 or whatever um they would really have to kind of start siphoning for any sort of content for flashbacks and all sorts of things like that yeah i would hope it doesn't go for only for the fact that i don't want it to be extended for reasons where we go great season except this took too long except this development was like a slog and this could have been sped up pacing wise like i really hope we don't get to that point.

Do you think there's a possibility that Last of Us Part 3 gets anywhere close to coming out around the end of the season's ending for this? No. No. I go to Paul Tassie over at Forbes. Last of Us 3 is happening.

Probably not until next decade on PS6 that was his headline. Some editorializing in there. But the part he's breaking out is Notty Dog just released a two-hour documentary about the making of The Last of Us Part 2. A fascinating look at the controversial widely awarded video game. And of course, somewhere in those two hours

that some news was made. Neil Druckman says that he's figured out a concept for The Last of Us Part 3 because their quote is probably one more chapter to this story, end quote. He figured it took two years between the publishing of season 1

to now get to season 2, right? So 2023 to 2025, which if we wanted to stick with the same things, means season 3 could be in 2027, which means season 4 could be in 2030. 29. I were 39. I don't know. Yeah, I'd be a bit further out.

When do you think you could possibly see Last of Us Part 3? There's obviously been rumors Noddy Dogs working on something that's not Last of Us. So even if they are, I mean, Neil has an idea. Neil's also busy making a TV show and being all over the place. If I were to put an approximation on whatever the thing is they're working on right now, that is not the Last of Us 3, I would say 27. and then I would say Last of Us 3 probably

2031 God dang that's so far And that's where I'm at right Like I think if I'm Trying to not even be conservative about it Right maybe 2026 For a thing Yeah for the new thing

God by that point All the East Coast is underwater right Like yeah Florida just flooded over But then yeah like maybe 2030 2031 for Last Was 3 I think my thing I guess going back to the last was

Season part 3 being included in a TV show I don't think last just three won't get adapted to a TV show show, I think if it does, it might just be like a new show. I think you, I think you end with season two or you, not see, you end with part two in whatever season you're in. Yeah. And like, I think at that point, we're at a place where maybe you can't, you aren't able to coordinate like a last is part three story and what you have going on with the TV show and you go, all right, that's

the end of it. But we release last is part three. We let that sit for a second and guess what? We get to tease the return of the last was TV show. And it's not season five. It is just last was colon I don't know as game I might think I think it would be interesting of just not even having to put a colon on it

I mean why we don't do that with shows that I can think of off top my head I'm sure they're walking dead you're the last one but that's like a spoil yeah yeah but I'm sorry

what I'm on the precipice of saying is why not just whenever they're done with the story from Last of Us Part 2 and I agree that last of us part 3 will not be out by the time Last of Us part 2

finished or the last of us TV shows last of us part 2 story won't be finished by the time that's out But I would say just be like, yeah, we're done. And then the door is open. And then when they release the game, if there's still the juice and people can sign their contracts, yeah, come back and still just call it last of us.

Like, people would understand. It would be such a video game moment for a TV show, right? Of like, oh, shit, it's back. I would love for it to be a Game of Thrones thing where Craig Mason is like, we got to finish the show, even though the books aren't done. Even though the game, Last of Us Three isn't done. It's still in development. But we're going to make our own ending.

and then, like, you know, kneels over there, like, I'll finish the game one day, you know, who knows, who knows if my ending will be different, you know, they're taking their own creative licensing over there. I guess I think of it as more of a House of the Dragon

or what was the other one? Game of Thrones is House of the Dragon. Yeah. Lord of the Rings has a new show. Rings of Power. Prequel. Yeah. And I guess prequel might put it in a different place,

but I think about it more akin to that of, you know, with a, why not call it, just, you know, stick to the last of us and just, you know, make it last of us, season six whenever you're ready to do it.

I like the sense of finality, right? Like artistically, like being able to go and that was the show. I feel like we suffer a lot from people stretching things out in ways that they don't need to be, right? And I think being like, all right, we'll be back with another season whenever we're ready to another season, even if it's five years from now. I think we get into a weird waiting game of like people just getting impatient and being like, or the fuck is the next last season, when's it going to course how with the game?

I think you open yourself up to just too much, like, too much fan. in impatience and too many questions of when is this next thing going to happen, that it's easier to go, all right, we're done. And then whenever you're ready to come back with part three story, come back and call it something different. Or I guess you could call it the last list

and have it just be a revival sort of thing. I'm just not thinking of it as like the same continuous run of like these last was seasons, if that makes sense. See, in the same way we talk about Xbox is done with generations. PlayStation isn't, but they kind of are. You know what I mean? Like, who cares?

It's just Last of Us. Just pop when you see the Last of Us logo. You know what it is. I don't need a colon. I don't need some, you know, whoever lives journey. I don't come on now.

What do you want to see out of Last of Us Three of the game, blessing? Out of the game? We had this conversation before, I think, predicting. Once or twice, yeah. Yeah, predicting what they're going to do

with the game. I don't know. Like, I want to be surprised. I do, I am fascinated by what more story that we have. with Abby and Lev and so I'd love to see especially Lev's character I would love to see that come back I'd love to see what's going on

with Ellie even though I don't know if I need another solely Ellie focused story like I don't need Ellie to be a main character throughout a new last of this game but I'm sure there's still more stuff with that I know the conversation that we had a while ago that got me excited for a our fan fiction of a story was like what it was years and years into the future

and like we're following in older Lev and Lev meets up with like Ellie and or I guess Dina's child. Yeah, right? That's like around Ellie's child age, right? Like let's say a 14 year old. I forget what the kid's name is.

John or some shit? Is it JJ? No, I think that's JJ's. It is JJ, JJ, JJ. It is JJ, JJ. Yeah, meeting up with like a, yeah, like a younger JJ and it becomes maybe JJ and Lev they go off on an adventure and like have conflict around like

Oh, your mom beat the shit out of my mom or something. I don't know. I'd have to go back and listen to the podcast to get the exact details. But I think there's something there that you can do, maybe. I want to... I mean, right now the market is open for like a 5V5 arena shooter, you know? You get in there. Maybe there's like a hill control type mode.

Maybe there's like a hill-confirm type mode. Have like space sci-fi kind of vibes. Have like multiple characters that each have their own abilities. Yeah. That'd be sick. Yeah. Passive. Really neat.

I'm down for it. Do you have anything you want for real from a part three? Make it good. I don't know. Yeah, right. I mean, I trust that if they are even willing to make a part three, that they see it as a challenge for themselves to. Of course. Let's creatively challenge ourselves to find something awesome in here.

Otherwise, I legitimately don't think that they would make a part three. They didn't feel like it was worth making. I know there's a lot of money and a lot of like, well, somebody's got to make. make a part three, right? But part of me is excited by that team and those minds saying, we got to do something and we got to make it good. And we can do this because everybody looked at part two and was like, shit, they're going to make a part two. Really? Part one ended so perfectly. And when Neil said, there's more story to tell. It's like, all right, great. Hey, we trust you. So part two ended up being awesome. Make it good. Single player story. Same sort of stuff.

give me conflict, give me gray areas. I love all that stuff. You figure it's going to have a theme, right? Part one was love, second one, part two was hate, like third one's got to be forgiveness. You know what I mean? Acceptance. You figure, I figure, anger leads to hate.

Whether you're, I don't think you'll play as Ellie, but I think Ellie comes obviously to be a major side character, probably be a Joel type character. And I feel like part of her story is she got to put her demons away, right? She's got to have, I'm sure she, I see her as a dejected loaner, right? Like, I feel like she's more on track of becoming the bill of the story

than the Joel of the story. I guess Joel is in a similar boat, but at least he had, like, tests in the beginning, right? Fascinating. I'm fascinating, indeed. Co-op. You think so? Not a chance.

I mean, but, I mean, like, just give me the ability. I'm not saying it has to be co-op. I'm just saying if you're going to be rocking with an MPC character, let's be anybody else being there, you know? You and Nick play through? I'll be The only bricks Beins

I mean Nick will be dead by that At the time we get this Nick'll be dead Yeah Pulverizer goes through It says didn't Ellie forgive Abby At the end Or did she just spare her I believe she forgave her

To some degree But I think more importantly Is Ellie forgiving herself I think that's what I think season Part 3 would be for me In terms of love, hate forgiveness It's the forgiveness It's the forgiveness of I think

Ellie fucked up her entire life To head off on the journey she went on in part two, right? And you see her at the very end trying to play and she can't. She's lost even music, which was her, you know, one of her inspirations, right? One of her only outlets to have that gone as well. And the way she walks away and the way she leaves that guitar there, to me always spoke of how lost and alone she is now. I don't think she's shaking that off in my head in my head can in fan casting, whatever. Yeah. The part three. The playing of the music is the all the broken relationships, the hand with the missing fingers.

Like everything's just, you can't play that anymore. And, And you can't do a lot of other things in your life because of this just terrorism. Salty surprise points out, Ellie can't still play the recorder. Oh, she can't play record. That's right. Yeah. I think my thing with that is, are you able to tell that in a stay-in-alone game that is, like, you know, a part three that is also telling its own story across 20 hours or whatever?

Because I think to do a story that is themed after forgiveness, so much of it, would have to be about the events of part two. And I don't know if I want to play a part three that is all about reflecting on part two. Well, see, I think it would go this way where I think whoever, I don't think you're playing as Ellie. I think she's a side NPC, right,

that's doing the Joel thing. But I think, well, that's, I see what I'm confusing that. She's a side of character, right? Yeah. But I think she's the older reflection of whoever we're playing as, who is a person setting off on their current thing where if they do, it's very much,

I was going to record a country song. Nobody would know. Most people want to know. But it's the idea of like, All my exes live in Texas. it's the idea of like seeing her and like oh that's where that journey leads so seeing Ellie so bitter leads our protagonist and making the choices not to do that right to forgive whoever he's mad at they're mad at and then also her seeing that journey allows her

to forgive herself would be my way but I mean I'm not smart I go back to what you're saying I'm like I want to be surprised you know Neil and team are way more creative and way smarter than I am in any way I'm also back in a place where I was at after last part one where I kind of don't want to part three. I'm very satisfied with just having part one part. Part two took so much out of me that I'm like, all right, I feel good. I don't need any more of this last was thing.

If they make another last one of us, I guess my thing is I don't want it to be as dark and as fucked up as last was two. Yeah, I'm, you worry about them wanting to one up. Yeah. Those experiences. And like, you know, violence is one thing,

because I do, I like a violent video game. But even thematically in how much it was driven by hate and how much it was driven by revenge and like L.A. and I go back to you, and I guess this isn't spoilers, right? like Final Fantasy 16, there's a fight between the main character, Clive, and like one of the earlier boss characters.

And I loved how much they hated each other, right? There was like a level of like, damn, these guys fucking just want to tear each other's like guts out, right? And that's a different vibe because it's all like kind of anime vibes and shit. And like Ellie and Abby gave me that same thing. But the, I think the rated arness of it and the fucking like, we're going to fucking chop each other's limbs off. Like we're going to fuck up, fuck each other up.

That was just a bit much. combined with all, like combined with all of it, right? The killing of Joel, like, you know, the serfights and how they were clipping people's wings, like, all that shit just got to a point where I was, like, very last-west out by the time I finished that game.

And so for Elas-Sys III, I kind of would like to go back to Last-Sys one a bit of like, hey, this doesn't have to be the darkest world of all time. We can maybe tell a more personal story that might be about hope or might be about, like, I guess a lighter topping than how much, how hate-driven Las-Lis II was.

Again, with the forgiveness bit and again with Ellie, I wouldn't be surprised if it did end on a happy quote unquote note. I mean, it's not a happy universe, right? But a happier universe where it was like they do find someone else to do the vaccine or Ellie gives herself up to, or you know, I mean,

gives her life to benefit a whole bunch of people, blah, blah. I think, but I'm with you if you're going to leave it and walk away for good. Yeah. What does that look like? But for now, before we go,

of course, we have plenty of video games to stream here. Last of us multiplayer. Blessing, will we ever see it in the franchise again? Remember December 14th, 2023. In ramping up to full production, the massive scope of our ambition became clear, Nottie Dog said. To release and support The Last of Us Online,

we'd have to put all of our studio resources behind supporting post-launch content for years to come, severely impacting development on future single-player games. So we had two paths in front of us, become a solely live service game studio, or continue to focus on single-player narrative games

that have defined Noddyog's heritage. And you don't believe those words. just really makes you think that if they could do things over what would they do? Like the Monday morning quarterback type shit of like if we could have just gone back in time and told

Jim Ryan Firewalk or Jade Raymond Studio hey all hands on deck we're making this Last of Us game the IP is what's going to drive this as opposed to you know people may be buying into a new IP that they have no idea about

or have no attachment to this last of us multiplayer game is something that can bring in revenue for some time. I know y'all are working on your projects. You might get back to them one day, similar to Campo Santo with Valve. Hey, you're working on that

in the Valley of the Gods. We're putting that on hold probably forever. Because fuck you are. Come on our other shit, you know. Like, I would, you know, that's like ideal world for them to say, let's put all your projects on hold, all hands on deck,

let's get this multiplayer game going. Yeah. Because the next, class of us will take a long time to come out and we would love to have something in between then, you know? Yeah. Imagine the beginning of next year getting some sort of, you know, open alpha or whatever the hell, you know, like how amazing that would be for the brand and for the momentum of that name. Yeah, I think you, I mean, you're talking about Monday, morning quarterback and making it happen. Yeah, I think the would have been Jim Ryan at the time,

right, Herman running PlayStation Studios. But, being like, hey, naughty dog, you keep being naughty dog. Yeah. We're going to have this team, X-Dev, whoever, whatever, make a last of us multiplayer game. Give them access to all your assets. Oversee it. You know what I mean?

Let's get all the input. Let's have weekly check-ins and yada, yada, yada. But like, we're making a live service team or hiring one of these live service teams or giving it to Bungie or whatever the fuck you're going to do, have Bungie make up their own team that does this, and they're going to chase this because, yeah, people want to live in this world.

They want to play that IP. They want to do this, but that's not the right move for you. Does Nottie Dog want to let other people play in their playground in that way, though? Of course not. Yeah. I think that's the problem. But I think, again, like, there... I think that happens a lot, though.

Like, I, you know, after reading, press reset from Jason Schreier, reading it, by reading, I listened to it all of it. Dude, shut that counts, baby. It was a good read. Yeah. And, uh, talking about how the Halo devs were really anxious about this other studio working on Halo Wars and how much that was like, that's our baby. you can't miss with our baby. But that's the business and that's my biggest thing where it's like, and I,

you know, we don't know how much the tailwags, the dog or anything like that over there. I know naughty dog, obviously it's at the top of their game and they can do, assumedly what they want. And I'm sure Neil can say no and walk out of a room. I don't know how much of that's like,

well, we don't step on their toes versus what they can actually do. But at some point it would be like, listen, this isn't the kind of game you'd want to make. We want to make this. We own the IP. We need to do something.

We don't want to see Joel doing the, floss dance and fucking, you know, Ellie doing a gritty, you know. The best example I have is P-Sudio giving persona over to, who makes the Muso games, bless? Techno, how are we? Yeah, like, giving them persona for strikers, you know, it wouldn't have made sense for that team to make that game. And so I think there's a little bit of humbleness that needs to maybe be found if you

want, what Andy is talking about. I do agree with that, but I'm also, I'm also, I, I don't know if I'm looking at it to Noddy Dog for like the humbleness required to be like, hey, we've built up this franchise that is one of the biggest franchises of PlayStation, and we've done it by being all hands on deck and putting our passion, blood, sweat, and tears and full control over this thing. Now we're going to give a major entry into this franchise over to a studio that you formed a few years ago.

An unproven studio. I think of the firewalk thing of, I think we've talked about like, why not just, why did we end up getting Concord instead of that studio making a last of us. And I think the worry for Nottie Log might be well, what if that studio ends up concording last of us? Where it comes out, and it comes out to a thud. And now we have this major mark on our IP that we've built up that we've worked on, that we've done all this stuff on.

And they made an entry into it that just didn't live up to what we wanted it to do. We would rather in-house work on it ourselves because we've done lastless both players. So we think that we have the capability to do this, even if we don't. But we think we have the capability to make a good one of these. I mean, the thing that that bums me out about it is that I saw several tweets leading up to when that whole cancellation happened from, you know, even friends of ours that were working there and said, man, that was a really cool fucking project. And it's such a bummer. And it does seem like a lot of work was put into it, whatever those bones are. If you have, I'm just going to throw a number out there. If you have 150 people or 100 people working on this project, bring in whoever,

these studios are, Firewalk, Bungee, Jade Raymond's studio, I always blank on the studio name. Haven. Start, you know, adding more people to that project, pulling more people from Midi Dog off, and, like, kind of like, having the other studios take it home and get it fully 100% ready, as opposed to this project that seemed like it...

Pretty far on. It pretty far along, and it had the basis. It had the bones for a lot of people in these sweets saying, like, God dang, that was a really awesome thing we were working on. It sucks. It's not going to see the light of day, you know. Yeah. And so I don't think we'll ever see another

Laseless multiplayer thing, which makes my heart because I love Laseless factions. It's like on the PS3, probably one of my favorite multiplayer modes on that platform. Like it was incredible and I guess still is because they haven't taken down the online servers yet. Think about how much better the movement got.

Think about how much better all of the, the, the stealth. All the animations, the stealth, the contextual, like animations the characters had, diving through, diving underneath desks all that shit was just so fluid.

If you take all that and put it into yeah like the factions that we already have right and just take that format and go cool let's make another 4B4 survival mode or whatever you want to do for most player that shit would fucking slap. Like that shit would be so fucking sick which is why I think I'd come back to

I think the problem being that like there's probably not the right vision as far as like how you're going to monetize and continue to make like ongoing content for it because it's like, I think that stuff is very time consuming, and I think they fucking, yeah, misjudge that shit. And I think because of that, like, I think what it would take to make a full-fledged,

like, most player Lasvist thing is just too, I think it's too much for probably any studio to do. Because even for Notadok to go, hey, Firewock or, hey, Haven, like make one of these, I think that would still require, like, adapting the systems of a Laswis. But maybe because we're talking about, like, if we could have gone back in time and talked to them in every,

everybody right across the board. Maybe now that this has happened and you see rumors, hear rumors of like guerrilla making a multiplayer game, but also there being the, uh, the Guild Wars people. No, NC soft and C soft. And C soft, yeah. And C soft making a horizon MMO. Maybe if you see success in PlayStation IP being treated that way, that would open the idea of Noddy Dog one day being like, well, now that we know we can't do this, somebody else could go and make a division style last of us. Now again, I say all this and of course, live service. was met with a fucking thud and dud over here at PlayStation, right, with the exception of hell divers, but Concord, and I'm talking more of the reaction from the gamers and gamer

and gamer landscape of like, we don't want, we don't want a dozen live service games and they've dialed the back of that number. Concord, obviously, it was a huge disaster. What is that, do we actually ever see fair games? What is that marathons? A whole different question mark too. Like the, not, I think the, the honeymoon was over for PlayStation and live service games before it ever actually happened, which both sucks. because you would have loved to have seen the Lasos to be a part of it, but the fact that the last of us was like the first one to go down is a great example

of them being like, yeah, no, this isn't the future. There was the Spider-Man multiplayer thing that had like trailer that leaked earlier in the year. Like they, they had stuff that if all the stars aligned could have been fucking awesome between Elastas multiplayer game and Spider-Man multiplayer game and then marathon and

like all this shit. If all this shit aligned could be awesome, but I think the fact that it's not aligned is a sign that no, this is just this is not going to work to have your studios that are known and that are built to make these single player things, these prestige multiplayer, the single player titles, try to make these multiplayer versions of their games.

Yeah, like I, and that's another reason why I think this isn't going to happen to your point of the honeymoon. Did you say honeymoon? Yeah, the honeymoon was over before it started. Yeah, exactly.

The honeymoon's over, right? I, even if PlayStation wants to re-approach naughty dog and go, hey, let's get this to somebody else. Like, I don't even think they want to you. I think at this point, it's a, let's get past this shit. If we're going to do most player stuff,

we will, you know, maybe work with third party, and have them work on their own IPs or whatever. We're not going to make a PlayStation vertical for online service or whatever, or live service video games. I think that ship has sailed. I agree. Andy.

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