Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - The Legend of Zelda Switch 2 Hopes and Dreams - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Episode Date: February 19, 2025

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Remember in the early days that kind of funny where we constantly would do movie casting episodes of Game of Reggie's show and we'd always try to find a way to get Steve Harvey involved. We gotta bring that back.

Who did we cast him for Middle Gear Solid? Decoy Octopus. Oh yeah. The DARPA Chief. Yeah. The DARPA Chief. Okay, okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. God, it's been about that. What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Kind of Funny Gamescast for Wednesday, February 19th. How is it this far in February? That is wild. 2025.

Of course, I am your host, Tim Geddes. I'm joined today by a very special crew of gentlemen. We have blessing at E.O.E.A. Jr. Who is Steve Harvey and the legend of Zelda movie? Tingle. I was going to say, Beatle. Okay, that's good, too. We have Barrett Courtney.

Midna. I like it. Sex and feel? I don't know. And round it out the group today, we have Andy Cortez. Have your birthday to me, guys. Happy birthday, happy belated birthday. Thank you. So you're like Mike now.

Every day is your birthday. Yeah. Look, the shortest month, you know. Okay. You got to help me. It's a day. It's a day. It's not a birth month.

Yeah. You gotta help me. And I feel like there's other things to celebrate within the month, you know. Yeah, like black history. Exactly. All right. It's been 18 days. Do not mention it once on this channel.

I mean, every time I always look. Happy black history. Every time I look at the plight of black folks in America, I'm always like, I'm in the shortest month also. I get it. You know what you guys are going to do. 28 is not enough. Sometimes. Still not.

Sometimes 29. Sometimes 29. I always tell the story, but my elementary school principal was born on leap year. So I always used to joke that she was like, hey, you're only like 10 years old or whatever the fuck. Kevin, it was funny. Shouldn't it be 29 days a year with the knuckles? What's the knuckles? What are we talking about?

You know, when you put your hands together, two, fists, no, not like that. Everyone's doing it wrong. Andy, show him. You know how. I'm trying to eat the... Yeah, there is. You know what you put your fist together? We all did.

Like, he said, not that way. You guys, I don't have... He's trying to eat a burrito right now. You can't even get the thoughts out of his brain. He's too focused on this fucking burrito. No, but like, it's so poorly wrapped. I, like, I actually want to go across the street and complain. Oh, wow.

I walk in. It was like 10.30 at the morning. I see a burrito on the kitchen table. To be fair to Kevin, he's got a like a weird schedule thing. I just love it. I just look as I looked at it and I was like, okay,

who's is this? I'm like, why am I asking that? He's coming out to show how poorly wrapped this burrito is. Let the people know. What the fuck happened here? Okay,

yeah, that is bad. What's happening here? I just unwrapped it. I'm sitting there confused and now you guys are talking about your hand? That looks more like a chili dog. That's weird.

Zombie infested burrito. Yeah. You know, it was the first burrito of the day While they were making it They were like, why the fuck are we making a burrito this early? That brito has got the dream scourge Fucking about Let's try and figure out this knuckle situation

So I think Please explain It's up here Well, there was an episode of Games Daily Where we were, Kevin was pitching to us How the year should be Divided So there's no short month or whatever

And then Kevin just said, you know, The whole like Knuckles thing And me and Blessing Have you no idea what are you talking about like, what are you talking about? And then he brought up the little diagram on Google images that showed something, how the days line up. I forget how... So where there's a knuckle, it's 31 days, and where there's no knuckles, it's like less or some shit.

30. 30. 30. 30. 30, or something like that. And June and July both have like 31 days or some shit. I don't know. And Sunday's always on the first of the month or something like that, right, Kevin?

Now you're mixing in the like, hey, we should move to 13 month. We all right, that's it. 13 months a year. A year, yeah. It works, guys. I like that we lost West for five seconds there. It works, guys. It's right.

Now, remember, this is the second time bless her this thing. I didn't believe me the first. I didn't even try it. This time I did the studying. Oh, man. It's proved it works. Everyone, this is the kind of funny games, guys.

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It's not just the smoke, it's hearing Kevin laugh from the other room. All of that was on purpose. I was like, I'm going to wait half a second and smoke. And have the camera cut so you only see one? I guess Jordan Dadan in chat says nobody tell less

about the nine's time tables tricks. I do. Do you guys know about when you times things by nine with your fingers? With your fingers? Yeah.

Yes. You guys know this. So tell me, ask me like nine times any other single day. Well first of all, first of all, guys,

he should be able to just do it on his own, but it's, you know. You put down the six finger. Failure of the school system that he has to use chance. Oh shit.

Yeah. So you can do that with any like single digit. So nine times seven. You get 63. I'm surprised. Pretty crazy, right? I mean, I can just do it in my head like a fucking adult. Well, here's the thing, because I could probably do that too. But like last night. Probably, I don't know.

Night's a big number. I've been doing this for so long. It's like I could do it too without the fingers, but only because I did it with the fingers for so long. Nine has an agenda. Nine is backed by the big school system here because like why do we learn so much about nine more than the other numbers? I mean, I feel like we learned equally about all. of them. What's 11 times 11?

121. Yeah, I did. That was not a hard one. That was not a hard one. But last night and I don't want to. I took statistics for fun in college. Like I don't want to be, I don't want to be mean to a child.

But I got to. I was watching, I was on TikTok and there was a clip from, it must have been America's Got Talent or X Factor, one of them ones, right? Like one of those talent shows. And there was a piece. parent with a child, he was probably like three years old. And the whole like talent was the, the parent brought out a whiteboard of the marker. And like, asked the judges, he was like,

all right, give me two numbers. And the judges would be like eight. And another judge would be like 23. And the parent would write down eight times 23. And the kid would do math. And I was his whole talent. And I watched that clip. And I was like, this is some bullshit. Like this ain't like, this ain't like America's got talent level of like. What does Simon Cowell say? They were so impressed. And I was like, I learned this maybe a couple of years after he did. Yeah, but like. Bless, the number kept giving and getting bigger. Because it's like, yeah, two-digit.

I cut off the clip out. Multiple. Easy. But you get to like eight. Blessing through his phone. I was so mad. I was like, why don't I don't know. I was a,

talent. I could do the same thing. Did you guys, there was a record broken of the fastest calculation of like four-digit addition where it's a hundred-four-digit numbers gets shown. And the kid adds them up in, like, 24 seconds or something. Crazy. Well, just adding?

Yeah, it's like 4,800 plus 3,000. I would say multiplication would be crazy, but like, you guys are, it's a hundred different four-digit numbers. Kevin's always remembering new numbers. Okay, I got you. It's also not like he's doing this in his head.

He's like riding out the math. I thought it was just two different numbers that were four-digit. I was like, that's just a fucking big. basic addition thing there, but if it's 10 different numbers, I'll give it to that child.

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Today we're brought to you by Built Rewards, Factor, and Stash. But we'll tell you all about that later. We got to get into it. The topic of the show. The topic of the show is the Legend of Zelda on the Switch 2. What are our hopes, bless. One of our dreams. Our dreams, Barrett.

Andy. What are our aspirations? Yeah, there you go. But to look at the future, I wanted to look at the past for just a second. And link it. Looking at the releases of Legend of Zelda in the last couple years, we've gotten a lot. Nintendo seems to really value this franchise. Who would have thought?

And they seem to be just putting more and more into it as we kind of got a, I don't know if I want to call it second resurgence, but definitely the biggest boom that the franchise ever had with Breath of the Wild kind of like pushing things forward. And I think even retroactively making the franchise even more relevant to modern gamers

in a way that it hadn't been for a while, even though it was still huge, it's now in a different level when we're talking about sales numbers, right? But since 2013, when Winwaker HD came out alongside a link between worlds, it's pretty much on a every two-year cycle that we're getting a Zelda, but it clearly looks like

their goal is getting a Zelda game out every single year. And that includes things like Majores Mass 3D, TriFororce Heroes, Twilight Princess HD, Breath of the Wild in 2017, Link's Awakening, 2019, Skyward Sword, HD, 2021, Tears of the Kingdom in 2023, and Echoes of Wisdom in 2024. So there's a balance there of brand new installments

in what we call mainline franchise with Breath of the Wildeers, The Kingdom. There's remasters for things like Skyward, Sword HD, Windwaker HD, Twilight Princess HD. There's remakes like Link's Awakening. And then there's the 2D games that are, you can call them spin-offs or just kind of like a fork in the road type thing with the echoes of wisdom.

and Tri-Force Heroes, I would put more in the spin-off category. Similar to the Four Swords Adventures games of your. With all that being said, not Tudy, right? Like just more of the old-school classic top-down. The multiplayer top-down, you're working together like competitive co-op,

I guess you can call it because you're like getting scored. 2D-like design from the days of old, right? Like a link between worlds being kind of like a mainline game. But like, I don't know. It's a weird one. Well, even that, so I would put that one in the category of echoes of wisdom. Yeah. Which, like, it is, yeah, that's the fork in the road.

Like, I counted as main line, but it is, it's, I mean, yeah, two D X is the way to put it. It's like, you know, we're waiting for the sequel for Mario Odyssey, but here's Mario Wonder, you know? Like, they're, I would say that, like, they're part of the main, like, releases. Yeah, I think it's very akin to Mario as far as there are at all, they all are mainline releases, but it's almost two franchises at this point when you talk about, or two series, maybe maybe not two franchisees. But when you talk about 2D versus 3D, right, echoes of wisdom, the links awakening are mainline, right? But also tiers the kingdom and breath of the water mainline in different ways. But like, and then you're talking about a third, like there's also like the third iterations of those spinoffs that you're talking about with like the multiplayer stuff. Yeah.

Spirit tracks. Triperous Heroes. Well, that's the thing too, Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks. I think kind of fall in an interesting position where I probably would put them in the same category as Echoes of Wisdom, where it's like gimmick. It is traditional Zelda, but it's so gimmick focused that it kind of like deserves its own category, even though there's not necessarily similarities between top down classic top top down gimmick. Yeah. I just knew, I just know the comments are going to roast you saying that like it's not a 2D game. How is it not a 2D?

It's just a top down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Top down. Fix camera or whatever. You're right. TwoD is not the way of say. What I do want to shout out that's not included on the Wikipedia page, right, is, um, what are the. The Dynasty Warriors type Zelda games.

The Hyro Warriors. The Hira Warriors. The Hira Warriors. The Hira Warriors and both are very well received. Yeah. And I think that goes in the conversation of you talking about how the cadence of what they're trying to do with Zelda games, right?

Cadence of Hirul. The cadence of Hirul. Yeah, like they're trying to hit these maybe once a year or so, maybe once every couple years. But you're not going more than two years without a Zelda game. Yeah.

And Purple Link in the chat, say, every Zelda is a mainline game except for something like Warriors game. we're not, I know people get sensitive about Zelda when it comes to like, what's canon, what's not, what's the timeline, what's mainline, it's like, we're not saying that way, we're just kind of defining what we're expecting to see on Switch 2. And kind of like how Nintendo treats it, you know? Yeah.

So with that being said, what do we expect from Zelda on Switch 2? With all those different categories, are there any that we think we're not going to see? When you say not going to see, are you talking about in a certain time frame or are you talking about just on Switch 2 period? Switch 2 period. Because I think we see it all again on Switch 2. Yeah. The one thing that I'm not confident in is that TriForce Heroes Four Swords Adventures type multiplayer

situation. I don't think that that's a slab done guarantee, but I also wouldn't be surprised. When did TriForce Heroes come out? 2015, I want to say. Yeah. Yeah. I think, especially with the reception to that game in particular, I remember being kind of wishy-washy on if people actually fucked with it.

And we haven't seen or heard anything in a decade about that. Like, I think that has kind of been abandoned. Yeah. I'm in a weirder spot with that because I think that this is comparing apples to oranges, but a story developer like from software, I don't know, we're saying, let's make a multiplayer,

roguelight, whatever, I could totally see Nintendo going, oh, what if we just did something like that in our off time in the while we're building the next big thing or we just release a big thing and the next big thing won't be for another two and a half or three years? What if we just do something

TriForce Heroes-esque in the meantime Rogue glide get abilities, multiplayer, whatever. It's a way to just join up with friends and play a Zelda game. I do think TriForce Heroes is a bit of an anomaly when you were talking about Zelda games because it very much feels to me like the end of 3DS life. Like this is pre-switch. To say it's desperate is kind of a reach, but it kind of had that feeling where it didn't feel like it mattered.

Even in a way that like Four Swords Adventures, when it first came out, was a mode in the re-release of Link to the Past on Game Boy Advance. Right. And that was because they were really pushing the link cable, the four-player multiplayer on Game Boy Advance. And then they made the GameCube game. But again, that focused on the gimmick of playing GameCube with your Game Boy Advance, right? So I feel like that was a different era of Nintendo. But I'm with Andy that I wouldn't be surprised if we did get a multiplayer Zelda on Switch 2.

But I don't think it would be a follow-up to either with those. I agree. No, same. Yeah, I think it would just be a random drop. That's the thing is, I think if we're putting these all into different buckets, right? If we're putting Triforce Heroes into the bucket of experimental, weird spin-off Zelda game, like, I don't think we'll get another Triforce Heroes, but we will get another weird, like, experimental Zelda game. And I honestly would take it as far as to even say, I think you look at Eldon Ring Night Rain,

a lot of those concepts would work pretty well for a Zelda co-op game if you wanted to do it. I think with the more, I think with the horse-pice, they're driving with now. A pony. To play, to play, to play, to have something in the breath of the wild sort of style world where it's all crazy physics-based stuff, but now you're going to have to implement more, you know, we're just brainstorming. If we're adding two or three more players to a play session, that's a lot more horsepower.

I think that that's something that could benefit if you are talking about the way explosions and the physics systems work and fire and ice melting and. and wind turned, you know, all that sort of stuff, I think could be a great playground for a lot of, for multiplayer friends to join up and kind of just play in that world. You could do some crazy shit in Zelda, especially if you, I mean, if you go the Eldon Ring route, Elder Ring Route, Elder Ring Route of, hey, smaller map,

we are dropping you into very specific areas, still like open world exploration. If we're going to take, they're not going to do this, but if they're going to take the one-for-one, circle closing. The white. Yeah, exactly. Comes in at a glider. I've done it before.

There is so many analogies we can make from the design of modern Zelda, like Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom, to the design of an elder ring where it is, hey, you're running around, you're collecting resources, you're crafting the thing, you are collecting weapons, and now, at the end of day one, it is you and two other. Oh, yeah, you and two other links fighting the bosses. It's not the thing closing in. It's the moon coming down. Oh, my God. I mean, I hate this entire last five minutes of conversation. nothing has depressed me more. You love night rain.

Yeah, but it just, like, it just feels like that's, I don't know. That's what I thought about Eldon Ring. That's what I thought about Eldon Ring. Yeah, but Zelda is different to me, and I don't hold Souls games nearly as to the height as you do. And I think for me personally, it's like, okay, who's working on that then?

Because I think to pull that off in like an actual successful way, you need the main Zelda team to do that. I don't want the main Zelda team to do that. And then if you're having a, like, a, like a different team work on it. I don't want the Splatoon team working on that. I don't want the fucking Tri-Force Heroes team working on that shit. Like, because it's not going to be good.

I'll be down for that. I'll play that. I'll play that. You have an engine. You have a framework. You have something to do with all ready, right? You know, and that's why I mentioned that this would, I could see them just throwing a random multiplayer experience together in between the big releases that you are doing. Yeah. And I also put this out here, right?

And I think this will drive into the larger conversation we want to have. have is the fact that Nintendo is extremely creative as a company, right? The people that work at Nintendo are extremely creative. The team that works on Zelda is extremely creative and inventive. And I even think back to the Zelda Breath of the Wild DLC, where you had, oh, man, the trials of the sword, which is like a bunch of challenge rooms, like, one after another. And, like, I love the trials of the sword. And I think I want to see that expanded out to the furthest extent of, hey, you have this game.

filled with systems and filled with like meticulously thought out system interactions and really cool things that you can do. The reason why I even would push for an idea like this, it doesn't have to be Eldering Night Rain, right? But an idea that is you and maybe friends like going in and just experiencing the systems for what they are and a more paredown thing is because I think the next big step for Zelda, excuse me, Zelda mainline might end up being something radically different, right? Like I don't expect us to be in the same high rule that we've been in for the last two games, which means I also expect us to maybe have different systems that aren't the same ones, right? Like, maybe we aren't getting like the elements as far as how fire interacts with

grass, how that interacts with ice. Maybe we're getting systems in a whole new way. And if we are, I still want the soul of Breath of the Wilde and Tears the Kingdom to live on in some kind of thing because I think there's so much value there that I don't want to get left behind. What are we looking at, Kevin? It's the evolution of Apona. Isn't it crazy that they shut down? I don't even remember Apona being. Swords, Adventures. Isn't it crazy? 2004 GameCube.

Yeah. They DMC had YouTube videos from Point Crow or was it a friend of the YouTube, the YouTuber, but who was just playing the co-op mod for Breath of the Wild

and they took down those YouTube videos. It wasn't an instruction on how to install. It was like, I'm playing this wrong, but I'm just with my friends, you know, and they took down just those having fun videos. And it. That's a sign of things to come. No, it's not. The tenters should

have some birthday parties that they fucking can. It doesn't mean that they're making a birthday party game. It's happening. Open your mind. I mean, they would, though. Yeah, so we're talking here about a potential multiplayer that I do think could happen potentially, but I don't think that that's a guarantee. What is a guarantee is more mainline Zelda

games. And looking at the last four releases or even five, going to Breath of Wild, we had Breath of Wild, mainline, links Awakening, remake, Skyward Sword, Remaster. Kingdom mainline and then echoes of wisdom kind of mainline top down right um slightly experimental so what is next it has it like i don't it doesn't have to be because nintendo is weird and they'll do whatever throw up the uh wndes in the chat um we got to get wind waker and twilight princess

at some fucking point like those games have been in the rumor circles for like i was at ig n when that was starting right and i think it's crazy that they have not popped up on Switch 1, like, whatsoever. So it makes me think, okay, maybe they are holding something like that for a Switch 2, whether it is like Nintendo online where they add like GameCube, which I don't know if I would love for Wind waker and Twilight Princess is because then we have to deal with a little bit of like the OG control systems that I think like the HD versions like definitely fix.

I would love to do something more like the Mario 30th anniversary, 35th anniversary, collection, something like that, for the HD versions. But I feel like that's got to be the next step because we just got echoes of wisdom. The main tiers of the kingdom, Breath of Wild team is going to have to cook for a little bit. So I feel like it's an easy win for the first year or two of the switch. Yeah, my read on those remasters is just more of a timing thing than anything. If I'm to believe Jeff Grub, which I do most of the time, right? like Jeff Grub stands on the fact that like dude those are ready to go like they've been sitting on

it like you know they're they can release it whenever and it's our Ubisoft games cast topic yeah yeah I think that's no that's actually the perfect way to put it yeah because for audience listeners right we had the Ubisoft topic the games cast topic of where did Ubisoft go go wrong and every meeting there's always like a either an embargo something that pops up or something that pops up or a better topic and so we're like we have to punt the topic we take we take it the topic we take the where did Ubisoft go wrong, gamescast topic, and then we move it a week forward.

That's been happening to the point where like, I think a few weeks ago, I was like, can we just delete it? Because we've already had the conversation on games daily, it's a million times now. So we're like, should we just delete it? And we're all like, ah, we like the bit. We like a bit.

Just for us. Yeah, a bit just for us. It's like the placeholder headline for us now. I mentioned that they're going to get it right and we have to like, we really got to do the topic before they get it right. And I think maybe that's the similar thing

with these where maybe they've been sitting on it for years, but you look at the, you look at the calendar and it is all right we don't want to release them maybe on top of each other because we want to give them space the amount of time all right we got links awakening so we'll hold it for next year uh we got scoward sword hd okay cool then we'll have these for next year uh here's the kingdom's probably gonna come out in 2020 oh damn okay it got delayed it in 2020 23 well beyond that too just to add it's like what you're talking about is them looking at it not just Zelda games them looking at their content library coming out and like switch has been delivering back to back to back Nintendo published games like like pretty much the entire generation. Yeah. And so I think it's been tough maybe to find the space where it makes sense to drop the

Winwaker and Twilight Princess remasters because they want to give, like, I think Nintendo right now at this stage is pretty good about loading their shots and like waiting for the right time to fire. And I think it's just been an awkward and awkward in a good way for Nintendo of not having the right time to fire yet because you have either content that's already taking up the slate or you have Zelda games that can already stand like, make, um, put down. that Zelda flag for the year, right? Last year was Echoes of Wisdom. Years before that was

the Years of the Kingdom, right? And I think I'm with Barrett as far as, I think the next thing we see from Zelda probably is those remasters. And if it's not, I imagine that it's, yes, some other project from Zelda that just comes out of nowhere. It's the Silk Song sort of thing. It has to happen sometime. Yeah, I mean it doesn't.

It's just because at least Silk Song got confirmed at one point. Like that is a real tangible game. The HD ports of Winwaker and Twilight Princess have never been like Nintendo has talked about, we're bringing them to Switch for a day. It's not officially confirmed, but I firmly believe there's no way they ported every other fucking WiiU game to Switch.

These games were made for WiiU and like the Winwaker. There was so much loving care put into that and they know. I mean, the numbers are all here. Like we see how WiiU game sells and then we see how the same game, even if it's a remaster of an older game, sells on the Switch. Because of all that, like I feel like these are not going to be Switch 2 games. Like I think they're going to be Switch 1 games that are playable on Switch 2. And that's totally fine.

My bigger question is because I agree, I think those are next up. But I don't know necessarily that I think that they are a bundle pack. I don't think that they're even necessarily released at the same time. It's weird. Like all the stuff Andy was talking about with just like how they hold on the games and stuff. Like thinking about Metroid Prime. Like we heard about that for so freaking long. And it just happened.

Metroid Prime won. Remastered. It was just like they had that. They were just sitting on it. Metroid Dread. And Metroid freaking Dread. like unbelievable shit man but yeah i think that uh i wouldn't be surprised if this year we we end up seeing um at least one of the zelda games coming to come you think there's a do you think there's a

oh it's been too long like we can't release the switch one game at this point type thing because like say you do say we get to the switch two launch and they're like all right winemaker we're releasing it it's a switch one game but you can play it on switch two boom it works how far how long can you go before being like, ah shit, we got Twilight Princess, we got to drop this shit. They're putting a... We're not going to release a Switch one game in 2036. On Amusha 2, which I understand like very different scale here,

but I'm going to Mishah 2 is coming out on PlayStation 4. Why? Because that makes sense. They don't need the PlayStation 5. And I think this is another example. Like these games came out on Wii U and correct me if I'm wrong here, ran flawlessly. Like those were running 1080P 60, right?

When they were actually Wii U was always docked. Yeah. So I'm pretty sure, correct me if I'm wrong about that. But it's just like, if that's the case, it's like, I think that they never stop with these things. Like, why would they? When there is like, when the Switch is going to probably end up being the highest selling console of all time. Right? I mean, make that money.

Yeah. Yeah. Especially when like, we're talking about two games that these versions are stuck on a console that only sold 13 million units life. Do we think Zelda, Winwaker and Twilight Princess are both out by the end of 2025? No. Now that Tim's brought it up, no. I don't think both. I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't think.

I really hope it's Wind Waker. I can imagine. I imagine we'll get Winwaker first. I think Winwaker will be this year, and then I wouldn't be surprised if Twilight Princess is next year. Do you think that happens if there's another Zelda game coming next year? Maybe not. Because that's my thing is I think I would love for it to be Switch 2 launch.

You have a Winwaker or Twilight Princess, either one, and then you tease it for later in the year of, And this fall, we're coming out with this remaster. I feel like that's the easy win. Because as much as we are hyped here sitting at this table for a winemaker and Twilight Princess thing, I don't know if that's a thing that you want to like stretch and make something. Like, I feel like that's something you can get out the door easily. But I do think that it's the type of thing that Zelda is one of the rare franchises that is

generational. Where similar to a Pokemon, there's always going to be kids that are like, that was my Zelda. and as they get older, their nostalgia for that is going to fuel sales and I think create their own marketing beats in a way that not every franchise has the luxury of. So I think that being able to separate Wind Waker and Twilight Princess,

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And we're back. I don't want to get fully into the Ocarina of Time remake talk yet, but I bring it up just because I feel in my soul, feel in my balls, boys, that they don't want Twilight Princess near Ocarina of Time. like there's just something about the visual styles of those games and like twilight princess really kind of being a edgeer correction to like the response to the initial response to wind waker yeah um so i could see them putting out win waker and i i it wouldn't surprise me if

twilight princess is kind of just stuck in a limbo for a yeah i was gonna say do they just take that file and just drag to their cycle bin at some point no damn i think it comes i think that I think that there's no world in which Winwaker HD and Twilight Princess HD don't eventually get put on the Switch family of consoles to some extent. But I do think that there might be some weird shit where it's like, we

hear about Winwaker and we don't hear about Twilight Princess and we're all like, when are you going to talk about it? But I can see Ocarina potentially getting in the way of that some way, somehow. Aberbert, you want to talk a little bit about tears and breath. Yeah, so before we get any of this stuff,

this exciting future, I think the first thing I really want for Zelda on Switch 2 is for those games to run at like like a solid 60 the entire time. With 4K ray tracing? No, no that stuff. But just like I really hope and maybe maybe like I don't know what the specs are for this thing yet

and maybe Andy you can speak to some of it of like are we confident that this new console is going to be able to run this kind of these kind of games at least like a bit more stable. There is no world in where this won't run out of 60. Okay. Like, even if I'm in the, what is it, the Lost Forest. Oh.

Yeah. No, I'm not saying you won't get a, I don't, you know, I think frame drops happen all the time with certain pieces of hard work. Do you think I'll be 45s frames per second in Lost Woods instead of 15? I think you'll be, I think you might have some dips into 48 and 52 and then go back to the 60 kind of immediately. I don't think there's a world in which this, those games do not run well enough. And again, with this whole, with all of the.

sort of upresing and AI upraising that's going to happen with the Nvidia chip set, you're going to be running at it at 720, probably at its core, and then using the AI to upres that to 1440p or something even higher than that. But yeah, I don't think there's a world in which this doesn't get, like, because they have so much time to optimize on this piece of hardware, the, um, looking at how quickly emulators and stuff were able to kind of get these things running at a high frame rate, and that's just fucking Joe Schmoe in their basement working on,

you know, ROMs in part-time or whatever. Like, I think that there's no world in which these games do not get some sort of upgrade and make it run really well and look good. I think that you being so sure about the 60 is the one place that I don't necessarily agree. Like,

I want to believe. And I agree with you that, like, no matter what, these things are going to run better, like, substantially and noticeably. But, I mean, Nintendo, no man. Like the day that like we're just getting constant 60 from them for switch games. We'll see. But they did. There was an era where they cared about that.

I don't, I don't think that they put out this hardware if they don't care about that. I don't like, I think 60s still is higher than their, their level of like needing to care. Like they put out 30 FPS games like even when they're premium stuff when they can run better than that, when they do have the power to make them run better than that. I just, in my mind, comparing a PS4. Pro like chipset and we I say that not saying that they're just taking the goddamn piece of hardware from the

PS4 Pro it this is something of similar power but much more modern still it comparing that to a Android tablet that was already two years out of date when it came out like it came on 2017 and this chip set was probably in development

like 2014 or something like that that is so so old and you know, there's moments here and there where Link's Awakening will go to 60 and then he'll drop to 32 for a lot of the time, you know, the Link's Quaker remake. I firmly believe that there's no way this game does not get... You saying that out loud really puts it into perspective of like

I always forget that like the hardware for the Switch one was like even when it came out was on dated like Android like tech and shit. And just like yeah, comparing that to a more modern power usage of like a PS4 pro chip set to makes me very, very excited. And again, just to reiterate, hell yeah. I don't think that the only reason I'm confident about that is that they don't put out

this hardware if they don't care about seeing their babies looking and running better. Better, yes. I'm with you there. What is the comparison? I don't want to put down until we see some stuff. Because the bigger question is, what's this even look like? Like, is this a new skew or is this going to be a patch for the old games? Is it paid?

Is it not? That's the other thing that I worry about is like, you know, if you already own it, here's a $10 upgrade path. Or it's like if you just put it in and just because it's on better hardware, does it naturally just kind of run better or whatever? I don't know. Because that's the thing. If it's not that, then I do think that the no shit release this year is at minimum

Breath of the Wild again, you know? Damn, that depresses me. That makes me sad. I also don't think we get both of them. You know what I mean? Like. I love when you do that too. You sprinkle that salt.

To run better on Switch 2, then we're not getting fucking Wind Waker for years, man. Yeah, I mean, that's... Well, that's a conversation. I don't know if we're ready to switch gears talking about the future feature. Because, like, I think there is the question of,

is it Ocarina? Is it something new? I have an article here that I pulled from 2023. I believe this is right after Tears of the Kingdom came out. This from Kotaku, the title of the report, is that Tears of the Kingdom director already has plans for the next Zelda.

This is written by Ethan Gotch and it reads, six years after the legend of Zelda, Breath of the Wild, its direct sequel, Tears of the Kingdom is finally in the hands of Switch owners. So obviously, there's no better time to start asking about the future of the series.

We've already gotten our first official tease for. What should we call it? Tears of the Kingdom 2, Breath of the Wild 3, Zelda 16. The smallest inkling of Nintendo's next Zelda comes from... Inkling, Splatoon.

Whoa. Comes from a flurry of new interviews, published today with director Hitamaro Fujibayashi The Go! And producer Aji Awoomah. Quote, oh, and it seems likely that Fuji Baiashi already has

plans for the next Zelda game, though he hasn't even told Awanuma about it yet, tweeted Zachary Small, a contributor to the New York Times who recently spoke to both developers. And that's kind of where the article cuts and they just speculate. But like, already, it seems like

there's a seed of an idea in the brain. A corroxy. A coroxi. I do think that it's important to note that these conversations are happening simultaneously with conversations about Zelda getting a theme park attractions and a Zelda movie coming out. And when we see the success of the Mario movie and we see how Donkey Kong's design looks like so far in Mario Kart that is a bit more in line with that OG slash movie look. I do think that we should expect that there's going to be a lot of it.

influence going forward of that. And we don't know much. We don't know anything really about the, is it West Ball? Zelda movie. Like, is it going to be its own thing? Is it going to be based on Ocarina? Is it going to be based on Breath of the Wild?

I feel like those are the three most likely outcomes. I have a really bad feeling that in about six months we're going to hear that West Ball is dropping off of the movie. I really hope not. I really hope not. When he he directed the recent Apes movie, right? Yeah. Okay.

Which is hopefully going to win a shit ton of awards. for how good like he's gonna kill this. It rocked. It's gonna be awesome. But the thing is is whatever is a new plot or a new story or world that then the next mainline game is using. I'm not sure when the most recent Aounuma interview was that talked about. Yeah.

You all don't like all this freedom. I love this freedom. I love having all these tools. I love having all these abilities. Very shortly after Tears the Kingdom came out. Yeah. So, you know, him mentioning, I don't want to go back to the old style. That's cool that you all want to.

onto and maybe there's a place for that still in our catalog but I love having all these random elements and things to sort of play with in this big playground that we've created. So I continue to see that for the future of what ever Zelda is going to be. 100%. But can we still

kind of go more for those old sort of structured I think because I think the big, a lot of big criticisms I remember when Tears of the Kingdom came out was because of the freedom in terms of where you could go and this is similar to Breath of the Wild of like you get kind of the same story beats over and over again.

I do wonder if they think about that a lot of like, okay, here's this big open world, but, and maybe we can still design it to be free where you tackle dungeons in any sort of way that you want, but let's maybe try to structure it where we can write the game in a way that doesn't feel like you're just going over the same plot points over and over again.

Because, yeah, I know a lot of people want to, want them to kind of go away from the kind of freedom stuff, but like honestly breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom I think are most like the original vision of the legend of Zelda and I think they want to kind of stay with that because they were able to strike gold with like oh shit this like really

is the core premise of the series which is just get lost and explore caves and we've kind of recreated that accidentally in a way that people really enjoy so yeah I do want a bit more of like a

item based stuff though like bring that back a little bit. So here's what's really cool about what you're saying is earlier I was saying like that Breath of the Wild kind of represented this like the biggest boom we've seen in Zelda at a long time. What was it before that? Ocarina of Time.

Yes. Right. So if the original Zelda, the original vision for that was realized with Breath of the Wild, can we now get that Ocarina of Time level up for the next thing, right? Where you compare Ocarina to the original Zelda games and you totally see the DNA

and it totally makes sense. It is just top down translated to 3D. But there was a much larger emphasis on the story. And there's a much larger emphasis on dungeon design being part of the world. And I don't need to explain Ocarina to you guys. You get it. That's what I want to see from the next game. It's as open and stuff in terms of like design, but not in terms of you can go anywhere, do anything.

You can solve a puzzle in like a million different ways. I want that from a gameplay perspective. But I wanted to be a little bit more guided because I, feel that Breath of Wild specifically Tears of the Kingdom were at their best when they were trying to tell a story. And when there were story beats, including Breath of Wild actually, like with the

Divine Beast and stuff, getting all those cut scenes and story beats before you go into what were essentially dungeons, right? Like, that was some of my favorite stuff that wasn't just the magic, holy crap, I can't believe this actually worked, moments of breath and tears. So I kind of want to see the

Ocarina of Time glow up of tightening the game design. a bit more, but while keeping all of the physics and the kind of like the gameplay explore. Keep the exploration in the gameplay as opposed to having it be the most open-ended thing ever because I do think that is unanimously besides weapons breaking, probably the biggest criticism people have of the modern games is that the story is either eh or just like, not presented well. It's presented in a very awkward way where you need to find these like kind of bonus things. You get the same retelling of

the plot kind of stuff in each corner of the map and tiers of the kingdom over and over and over again. And it is very much like, what? There's nothing different here. I think you can improve that stuff a bit, but I don't think you can have your cake and eat it too as far as marrying,

I think, how solid of a story and a solid of an adventure you're delivering an ocarina of time in terms of like delivering moments and everything feel intentional and designed, combining that with, how open a Breath of the Wild and Tears I would disagree

and specifically from the point of terms of openness in terms of doing whatever main dungeon or whatever in whatever order you want because I think that's the thing that affects telling story the most in these games I would disagree with you there because of a link between worlds which does nail that

is that you can do like once you get past like the tutorial dungeons whatever you can do any of those dungeons in any order that you want and it doesn't do it doesn't run into the problem that Tears of the Kingdom runs into. So I think they can have their cake and eat it too. I hope so.

But yeah, I still do think, I still do find it tough. Right? Like I think there is, we're talking about this stuff like it's very simple stuff. That's my thing is like I think when you're talking about Breath of the Wild and what that and Tears the Kingdom do as far as openness,

as far as exploration, as far as like legitimately you can go anywhere, right? You can, you have like overall objectives. You can tackle any of them. You can tell your own story, right? To go on your own adventure.

I do think that. that, like them going all the way toward that side of the spectrum has allowed them to deliver a breath of loud in terms of the kingdom, which I think even though we identify these things as flaws or whatever, still 10 out of 10 video games,

some of the most critically acclaimed video games of all time. Like I look at that and I'm like, don't change the thing. Continue to level up on this, right? I think for me, the solution here is to have those two lanes. And I think this comes back

to what we're talking about with remasters and possibly remaking O'Carina time, which I'm somebody who, yeah, like I think after a while I'm going to, start to miss the traditional 3D Zelda. I'm going to start to miss the ocarina of the Twilight

Princess. I won't say Skyward Sword. But like I think... Because we just recently got it, right? Yeah, I never play Skyward Sword. Well, that's a lie. I play like 10 hours of Skyward Sword and I dropped off. But like, I want that kind of thing to make a return. But I think it really is the balance of, hey, if you're going to bring back arc arena, I think you go full ocarina, right?

Like, I think you make that game what it is and don't try to translate it into the Breath of Wild and Tears the Kingdom style game. I think you keep it as that. And for whatever the next new mainline 3D Zelda is, if you want to continue to make the sandbox kind of thing, make it the sandbox thing. Yeah. I definitely think if you try to mess with any of the Ocaryana formula,

I don't think, I think it would not only piss off a lot of people, but I don't know if that's what I'd want even out of an O'Reina remake. Like I wouldn't mind seeing... Oh, we'll talk about, like, updates for... Yeah, like, I don't know if I would want the exact one-to-one, because obviously I would want the lock on system be better. And I would want, you know, just modern

sort of quality of life things brought into the game, but I think as soon as you implement weapon degradation and all of that stuff, it's like, oh, I don't want any of that, you know? And yeah, you got to keep the sandbox stuff because like Tim was saying, like Zelda is generational, and

a lot of kids think of Zelda as Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom and nothing beforehand. And those are the games that have sold like fucking hotcakes. So it's like you've got to kind of keep with that stuff. But yeah, Like, if we're going to bring stuff back and go through the nostalgia play, like, yeah, we can't mess with like, all right, here's, yeah, weapons breaking an ocarina of time and all this stuff. But can we, can we, can we talk?

Yeah, let's talk about the ocarina. Let's start with you. Because this, this whole headline spurred from the conversation of like, Ocarina of Time, what we, what we want from a remake. And I remember, I forget on what show, the idea of implementing more like Breath of the Wild and Tehran, of the Kingdom design elements into Ocarina of Time, which I agree with Andy. I think you lose the soul of what Ocarina was if you start to do that.

If you make the Hyrule field, like, way big and like all this stuff and super explorable, I think what you need to do. I wouldn't mind that. See, but again, I just, to me, you got to keep almost one for one, but update stuff that makes the experience feel modern. So, Accurion of Time 3D.

but further than that. The Silent Hill remake of the Final Fantasy Seven Reimagining, but like I was watching, I rewatched one of my favorite videos on the internet, sequelitis from Aaron Hansen, on Ocarina of Time. I don't agree with everything he has to say

about his criticisms of that game, but one thing I do definitely agree with, especially like going back to Ocarina of Time as an adult, is that there is so much goddamn waiting in fights. And like I would love for the battle system to honestly be reworked into, and this is because I'm playing Dark Souls 1,

because Bless is playing Dark Souls 1, into something similar, not full, crazy hardness of, but something where you implement a bit more of, like, stamina. Now we're cooking. Enemy design is a bit more active, because a lot of enemy design in Ocaryana of Time is just them putting their shield up.

You're waiting for them to take their shield down. You hit them, and then you repeat the process over and over again. lock on and indulge a lot already. It's already heavily there, man. It's there, and I think that would then create something that's a more engaging battle system in a game that is a lot about active, like, battling, I think would make the interactivity of that world much more engaging and interesting in a modern era. And then art style, you just make Twilight Princess prettier kind of vibe.

Ooh, see, I think it needs so much more color. Like, I feel like it, like, it did. I think you could have the variation. Like you don't need to do like the Twilight Princess color palette, but something that's like not that much bloom. Yeah. See, I think that the where they, and I want to be clear, I love Twilight Princess. Like I adore that game. I do think though that that art style was in a lot of ways the wrong direction, like specifically when you look a lot of

the character's faces. Like I never liked those. But that was that grim dark. Like we're going so edgy here. Like I feel like it was chasing what at the time they thought Ocalf. I'm a little look like in the future. But now that we've seen that Nintendo art magic so many different times, so many decades later, you look at Ocarina and you're like,

oh, this isn't a realistic game. Like, this has a style to it that I want to see them kind of honor. And I keep bringing up the 3DS remake. It's, they nailed it. Like that is the art style. It looks like the concept art of Ocarina. So it's already there. So I do think that the easiest answer for them is do a Winwaker HD of

Ocreen of Time 3D. Ocreen of Time 3D HD? I don't, yeah. I don't, I don't want, I want to keep that art style. I don't, I would love to just see that done in a modern time where we've seen the cell shading a whole bunch with, with, yeah, I don't want them to just like remake Ocarion of Time in that engine. Yeah, it's like, again, you start to lose what Ocarine of Time. Yeah, the 3DS I look is, I think, incredible. I love the 3DS look of, of Ocreen of Time. remake or whatever. And if we could just get that up-res with, you know, model sort of touch-ups here and there, right? There's still going to be some crazy, jaggy mountains that are, like,

made up of four polygons. Like, obviously, I would want to see those touch up a bit with the same sort of spirit of the art style. But, you know, I... At what point do we get to the not great looking Unreal Engine 5 recreations? I don't think, I don't think that happens because they, they have their way of... Because I think, instead of just, like, upraising and stuff, like, I think they're probably, if O'Rean of Time remake is real, they're probably cooking up something that I think is not a one-to-one, but think about like Link's Awakening and Echoes of Wisdom, right, of how they looked at what the Game Boy kind of art style was,

and they're like, how do we, like, what's a fun way to modernize that? And I think they're probably looking at Ocarina of Time in the same way if they're working on a remake, right? Not just like, let's keep the same art style. How do we reimagine this art style for modern times to make it look cool as shit, but not pigeonholed to what it always was, which then comes across as like,

okay, if it looks the same, it's probably going to play the same. We talked about this on a games cast like a week ago or two weeks ago where it's like, you know, we brought up the, I purposely was like bringing up these Unreal Engine 5 looking things because I hate the way these things look

and I know that Nintendo would not want that because I've seen the way modern Nintendo games look and I've opened up that brand new Mario Party jambriot. It's like, God, this art style, their colors the way that they deal with like shading and shadows and lighting I love the way that their games look and if you could just put more

fucking engine underneath the hood that shit's gonna look incredible Madagnik 96 in the chat says I don't want to bring bad vibes too late you've already did but Nintendo did just release an HD version of Donkey Kong country uh what is it uh returns maybe on the 3DS version

maybe the Ocurean of Time rebake is a port of the 3DS version god damn I mean that's not even again I don't I don't mind that I don't think that's the bad thing. I think that's the easiest thing. I don't think that's what's going to happen, though. I firmly believe based on no evidence or anything, well, I guess there's some evidence, but like no real knowledge of anything.

I think the O'Rean of Time remake is going to substantially change Ocaryne of Time. I don't think everyone's going to be happy with it. I think that it's going to be the plot of the movie, and I think that they're going to really lean into trying to create some type of balance of importance of Occurion of Time and Breath of the Wild links as these are Legend of Zelda to us. Ocarina of Time, the movie of the game. I think the, whoa, like Ratch and Clank. That's crazy.

And then Dark Souls' combat. I do think, I'm, I think I'm half with Tim, but then half with the idea of, if they don't do what Tim's talking about, then it will be a port. I think you either, as Nintendo, if I am looking at my options, I am either porting the 3DS version of O'Cree at a time, HD, and, like, you know, making it pretty, making it a worthwhile, like, port. But, yeah, we're not going to touch it, because guess what? Ocrate at a time, I think is a scary game to touch.

It's the way that we talk about Sonic Adventure, Tim. where you're like, they're not going to love this. Only you two. Only you two talk about it that way. There's the way we talk about Sonic Adventure. Where Tim's like, yo,

Steck is not going to touch Sonic Adventure 3 because it's too sacred. And I think awkward at time, I think Ocredit Time is one of those sacred games where the more you touch it, the more you upset people. They would never read this blasphemy on this show. They would never remake Schindler's list

in the same way that I tell Tim, like, they would never remake Biodome. Same thing. And I think if they do, I think the purpose of it is exactly what Tim's talking about. Hey, we are trying to take Ocarina and reintroduce it to the new generations, right? It's not just for us. It is for the kids.

It is for a growing amount of people. What the fuck are we watching right now? Thanks for bringing this up, Cap. This is a, uh, there's a YouTuber that, like, does a lot of, like, recreations and, like, styled things. And, like, this is them. They did Ocarina and you can actually, it's in Unreal Engine 5. And there's a bit where he's, like, actually walking around Castletown and it looks more

like gameplay. Yeah, it's very, like, Ghibli. but that like also just inspired just like seeing in the 3D. It reminds me of, um, Nino Cooney. Nino Cooney. Yes. Yeah. Um, but yeah. So, so, so it would be good. I think if they go the route of we are bringing back Arcorina and we are ground up, remake, modernizing it, introducing it to the new generation and like making this,

you know, not literally canon, but we're making this canon Zelda. Like this is what Zelda is right now. I think it, I could see it because you guys are having the conversation of art style. what I think they do in that case is do the Link's Awakening to Echoes of Wisdom thing where whatever art style they bring back Ocarina 4 for a ground up revamp of it ends up being the same art style they use for like a brand new

iteration in the Zelda series and like would you say like that's what they use for their open world stuff or do they keep that for something that's like let's do old school style I think that's kind of with Barrona I don't know that it I'm with you but I don't think for the like big open world like the biggest mainline Zelda but I do think that like there could be a world where we get a

if there is an Aquina of Time remake of the different art style a sequel like Majores Mask but like an echoes of wisdom of that like it's all gimmick based like that that's the gimmick based 3D dungeon based an echoes of wisdom a link between worlds can you imagine getting an ocarina sequel that isn't

Majores mask like I'd be so madden this well I'm asking this honestly in a good way of again like I look at echoes of a wisdom as, I guess not a literal sequel of Winks Awakening because it's a different story, right? But like... But link between worlds to link to the past. They've done it before. Yes. Yeah.

I'm talking pseudo-s sequel slash, I guess, successors is what I'm meaning, right? Like, if they put out a new Ocarina that maybe we're calling it just a remake that might be more faithful, another spin-off in that world. Like, let's say they do Ocarina, they do Majoras and they do a third one. And you know what the third one is? Because now I'm just getting into my fucking Zelda lore, fucking Duffy shit, is we get... the timeline where Link no longer exists. So it's pre-Wind waker because Link goes back in time as the kid and that's what leads to Majora's mask.

But what happens to the timeline where like he no longer exists as an adult and then we play as like the next iteration of Link in that pre-wind waker. See, I was going to drive it to you. Another thing that I wanted to bring to the conversation is like are we going to get a big Zelda game where you're playing his Zelda? That was one of the things that we remember we speculated about a bit after Tears of the Kingdom before they even announced that goes of wisdom. And then, yeah, I mean, new DIY Zelda, her name's in the title. But yeah, like a Post echoes of wisdom, hey,

we're testing the waters with what we can do with Zelda as a character. Now, let's go all in and make a 3D Zelda where it is the sandbox thing. But you, instead of Link's powers, Zelda, who is like the magical person, right, in this whole scenario, it is you using her magic powers.

I don't know. I feel like if anything, that would be maybe that happens, but I still think that that is more in the spin-off realm than their next big main step. But I do think that like whether it's the next big main step or an Ocarina remake to some extent,

like I do think the idea of Nintendo trying to create a new canon for Zelda is going to be their step. I think they're doing it with Mario, getting rid of Charles Martinet as the voice. I think that they're just kind of in this stage right now where they're looking at their games as

IP in a completely different way and they want to define that IP. And we're talking about Zelda, which even if Breath of Wild was the big jump in sales and stuff, you cannot deny that Hot Topic sold NES controllers on everything and TriForces on everything. Right? There's brand power to Zelda that I think that they are just finally able to tap into across every market from gameplay all the way to just merchandising and having the synergy there. So I think you're on to something with that. a weird left turn, but just to go back to the follow-up to tiers of the kingdom.

One other thing I want from that, we need a new high roll. Different length, different Zelda. And so, like, you know, keep it, all this stuff. But that was another, like, I remember criticism tiers of the kingdom that I didn't necessarily share, but people were like, ah, it's just the same high rule. Obviously, it was very different. That's what made it cool to re-explore. But I think it's like, it's time for a different high rule.

I hope they don't stay with this, like, this version of those characters. I definitely disagree with those criticisms in the same. sense that I think being able to revisit an open world like Breath of the Wild's Hyrule five years later when everything's different like it's such a cool cool and like a thing that you can do a lot with and I think they did do a lot with in terms of revisiting the same locations it's the way we talk about how in yakuza games right like it's cool to be a fan of that when you're able to go back to the same areas and revisit the same establishment same people and having stories move forward that said I don't want them to do that again like I'm

tears the king gave in my fill of like revisiting that same high rule I think that's fucking awesome for that game. But now I want new. Is there anything they could do with revisiting, you know, the sort of dream world of Link's Awakening? I think if they ever did that, it would be...

In a 3D way, you know? Yeah, I don't... Like, this is the high rule for this game or whatever, you know? Yeah. Low rule. Ah. Like that. Yeah.

And they've, like, done little, like, teases, like, there's the whole underground in tears that came to the boat. We never got, like, what's it called in Link to the Past, not low rule, but... The dark world, yeah. Something like that, I think, would be cool.

Or if it is the same link, yeah, him going to a different part of the world or something to explore. I think that there's a high likelihood. We do not return to the Breath of Wild High Rule again, which is good. I think it'll be a different world, Termina or something. I don't know. Who knows? I imagine it'll be something new, but I do think the next main line. I think it could just be high rule again, but just a different iteration.

I do think the next mainline game still features these characters. because again, I think that they're trying. I think that the Breath of the Wild and Okerina links are going to be Nintendo's links. Like, I think that they're going to push these characters as more important than the other links. I feel like you're changing the franchise then. But I think that

that's what they're doing. Yeah. I don't know if I like that's where I'm out. But they've already been doing that with Tears of the Kingdom, right? Like, they're already like doing this lore stuff that has kind of like gotten away from like their canon timeline stuff that like, you know, Tim and I have gone back

back and forth on for hours and hours at this point after years, it's like it definitely felt like in retrospect like they kind of accidentally fell into that and... You can look at the logo. Yeah. Right? The Zelda logo is now the Breath of the Walt style. Right. And I think it's... I guess I view that as

like a generation thing of that is what Zelda is for this era. This era, right? Like I would hope that when you hop into the next generation on the switch to, you do redefine that. Like I do want new logos. So like I think one of the exciting things for Zelda for me is saying what this version of Hyrule looks like now.

Look at that font. Yeah, yeah. Like, give me the good font. What are you doing this, Jen? Because for me, is Zelda Breath of Wilde to Tears the Kingdom is the same as like Ocarina to Majores mask, right? Like N-64, that is what defined this, right? Then we hop into GameCube.

GameCube was weird because Twilight is different, very different from Winwaker, even though Twinwaker had Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass as well. Yeah, like I think being able to curate generations of Zelda and like even having multiple products within those generations that feed off of each other. Like, I don't know. I get really excited when we hop to the next one. So I don't really, yeah, I don't really know if I want them to keep with the same Zelda. I'm not saying I want it.

Yeah. I'm saying. I very much see it. Sorry, I just had another thought where you just have me thinking about like a follow-up to Majoris Mask if they do this like whole remake thing. If like, what if instead we do the child link post-majorist mask and we see him get that cool armor that we see in Twilight Princess where he trains Link. There's a skeleton bless and sick-ass armor that trains Link and gives him a bunch of moves. And it turns out that was the last legend that was the last hero

I played Twyperincery. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know You know that's one of my favorites. I know the guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know the guy. So like, what if we get that story of him being an adult and like being like lost and forgotten and doing like one more adventure that like nobody ever has heard of. That'd be so sad. We got a bunch of super chats that I want to get through here. Crono rig says my favorite part of tears was the cave system. Would love to see them expand on that and more costumes. Also link in high school. CW style. Absolutely not. a really cool super chat from

OMGLX who says Tony Dollar Super chat by the way, thank you. Who says similar to kebabs, but I want the TriForce allocation fully remix. Zelda with courage, the protagonist, Ganadorf with wisdom as a sort of sinister tactician who forces power on Link turning him to the dark side.

That would be so fire. Oh no man, we're fucking up the sacred word. It'd be so fine. That's like when somebody writes a new book in the Bible. It's like, well, no, there's a different religion now. That to me, sound, we'll get that after we finally get a Pokemon game that the starters aren't fire, grass, and water. You know what I mean? To just preaching right now.

Some things are sacred. Admiral Redbeard says, I want to get this in ASAP. This will be my last super chat for a while and I think it's appropriate today. As I found out yesterday, I'm going to be a dad. Congratulations, Admiral. What's more important, though? Funding us or diapers? Think about that. Yeah, I appreciate the last

one before. The diaper apocalypse happens. Cabob says, I want Zelda the lead, but with normal combat. Yeah. With normal combat. Give Zelda a fucking sword. Why are they so scared of getting Zelda a sword? See, I like that better. Why give her, like, the fucking copy mechanic

that's, like, not that very interesting, and makes dungeon design just kind of, like, conflicting with, like, the freedom, but traditional, fucking, give her a sword. If you're going to make her a main character, make her a main character in a main Zelda game, fucking give her sword. Why do I have to summon Link's powers to fight? Yeah, exactly. Jesus.

I mean, for me, it's back to the Triforce thing. Zelda got its current, or not Zelda, sorry, Link courage. Courage, how do you display that? A sword. Wisdom? You do smart things, you copy of things. Talk yourself out of situations. Give you skill checks.

Also, bring back the Triforce. It's teased in those two games. Bring that back in... That's a super chat from Joshua Barnett. $5 super chat says, bring back the Triforce. I agree. That'd be awesome. Bring it back into an important part of the story. It's teased in the world of...

You hated it in TriForce Heroes. Now you want it back. I don't think that's what people hated about That is the type of evidence that I'm like I don't think we're done with the characters of Breath of the Wild. Like I do think there's more Zelda story to tell there Like Zelda lore story to tell there And I thought it was gonna be tears of the kingdom that did that right?

Like you know them bringing in Gannon The blight being like reddish And then like the you know nature being green Representing Link and then the Zonite, not Zonai but the cheek attack being blue And all this stuff like you see it in the world all represented, but yeah, it's weird that it's not like the text. Bring back the dungeon theme song from Link to the Bass.

God, that song just kicks so bad. Nick from Co-op 64 says, just had surgery. Thanks for entertaining while I'm on bed rest. I think Nintendo wants something Zelda every year. 2025 will be the remakes. Damn, get better. Good luck, man. Yeah, hopefully things went well and hopefully they continued to.

Jay says happy birthday Andy Thank you Happy birthday month Cozy Bear says next Zelda really needs to step up its narrative chops both breath and tears Had cool isolated story moments But told underwhelming stories Underwhelming stories overall

It's a weird thing where it's like I think that they well specifically tears I think tears told a great story Overwall Why can't I say it? Overall But I just don't think that it told it well That's the problem

But like it was great And like I will never forget the ending moments of that game because of the story adding up with gameplay. You know what I mean? For me, the way that everything played out was like as pitch perfect as it could be. So I am firmly against your points, but only because I happen to do things in a certain order that worked out great for me narrative. And then I think about all the other people who just had this in a much different way, super out of order. And like, oh, that would have been a bummer. It's the repeating for me.

Like, it just shows that they didn't have a solution. And they're just like, we're going to just have to repeat. We're going to show this, like, same cutscene, but from a different character's perspective, that adds nothing new to the story. I'm so hyped it with the music. Yeah, and by the time you get to the fourth time, you're like, oh, my God, like, I fucking get it.

Did you have anything new to add to the story? No, all right, let's fucking move on, man. I disagree, because on my third time, I'm like, this is a third time, and I'm still hyped. See, I can't believe I'm still hype. The music is so good here. I think in terms of, like, actual, like, writing, I would love for the Zelda stories

to kind of bring back, like, sort of... David Fincher. Yes. In terms, like, more kind of, like, existential themes, like, Akarina and Majors, like, Mask did. Because, like, there's some really good fucking writing in terms of, like, character stories throughout those games that I don't feel the recent games since, like, Skyward Sword have really done on that same level. So I do agree in some terms. Like, I disagree on Tears of the Kingdom being not a good story because, yeah, I think it was incredible. But, like, give me some of that sadness back.

I don't think is fucking sad. You just find a way to have the tears, like, be in a, a. linear order. Like you can find them anywhere, but still give us the cutscenes or something. That was a criticism I had on Zelda in review. It's like, okay, you have all these teardrops and like, yeah, the specific

locations give specific memories. Don't do it that way. Give it in a specific order when you find them. Yeah. God. Do better. I like non-linearity. I mean, I might be because I'm playing out of wiles right now. And you also just watch Memento. And I also did watch Memento recently. Great movie. But I Oh, to watch a cutscene from like two

prior things and you're like, oh, that's why this. I love that moment in a video game. That's why I don't want it linear. I'm so, I get what you guys are saying. My problem with it is the story isn't good enough that it's memento. It's not like they're dropping stuff where you're like, oh man, this is out of order. I wonder how we got here. Yeah. Like when you,

the order I got these things in, it was just like a little like anticlimactic because I got some of the better stuff. Even if you got it in an order, do you think it would fix that for you? Because for me, like, I think in order or out of order with the tier the tiers discovery would have hit exactly the same for me. I think having it would have hit harder. Really. I think be like I guess the

seeing Zelda go on that arc of my brain. Seeing Zelda go on the arc of like her believing more in herself and her powers with the the tier that she gets and stuff. I think would have played better actually seeing that build up rather than I agree with him. Like I think the the story structure or the story itself doesn't really hold up the structure of seeing it in any sort of way. But obviously from this conversation it's to each their own. You guys are playing the game wrong, man. You should have went east first. You found story number six before tier number three.

Steve Jobs saying, it's different, man. I mean, I'm sure it does. David Flores says, I want another Capcom Zelda, but 3D traditional with the Dragon's Dogma Combat. It wouldn't be too different from the sword skills in Twilight Princess. David, you're fucking cooking there. That's crazy. Can you say that again?

I want another Capcom Zelda, but with 3D traditional style with Dragons Dogma Combat. It wouldn't be too different. different from the sword skills and Twilight Princess. Gotcha. Dude, honestly, I love this. Get weird Nintendo. Give big teams like Capcom or Sega again IP to try something.

You know? Like, we've seen so much success with that. Like, I, and that's not even my head. That's just so sick. I can't think of any bad time they did that. Let me know. When they partnered with another.

Yeah. It seems like every time it's, I would say like, I think Hyrule Warriors, the first one, people were kind of like, yeah, it's fun. But people fuck with age of calamity.

And so that's another thing Like we haven't brought up Of Zelda on Switch 2 It's like, what's her face? Batty Oh yeah Oh it's like right Is Pira?

No Perra? No The grandma who is young And then gets back to the normal age I get her name It's like when your friend shows you like Here's my grandma When she was like 30

And you're like I'm like whoa I see how you got here How many times does that happen Do you Andy? A handful I think Nintendo Go to

Go to Team Ninja. Have them make Zelda other Z. Oh, my Lord. Oh, that's actually, that is a good example of it not working out. Yeah. Other M? Yeah. Other M?

Yeah. Yelcing says, Next big Zelda should have co-op. Lincoln Long. Thank you for that. No, Link and goo ink. Like gooigi?

Oh, yeah. There we go. Garrett Reddin says, I want something similar to Twilight. Big dungeons, more detailed than Gothic art design. Dark, but hopeful. narrative. Twilight's

Dungeons are fucking undefeated. I want them to get bad and that's what we were saying earlier about like the next iteration of their big open world stuff

like I want that level of fucking dungeon design. I would know I'd love to play it. Oh you haven't played Twilight Prince? Oh you would fuck with Twilight Prince is so hard.

No, I owned it at one point and then ended up repawning it back to the store but it was on the game it was on the game cube that I had like you know bought from a pawn shop that game

sold me on the Wii moat. I guess I was already sold because I'd played me sports. But like, playing that game on the Wii for some reason. I was already sold. I'm kidding. I love that thing. I love my Wii mobo. But yeah, playing Twilight Princess with the Wii moat. Like, I don't know, man. I like that.

That shit was good. It's fucking running around. Play that with a controller. Like a normal. Tudder boy. Tender boy says, I got filtered out by the beginning. Yeah, like, Twilight Princess and Kingdom Parts, too, will go down in history for me of like just the worst open. opening three to five hours ever.

And then bangers after that may be why I sent Selden back to the Monshop. Yeah. I think about doing those first five hours though and just like swinging a wee moat back and forth. That'll get you through it. Melofello says screw stamina and climbing. Give me back the hook shot.

Yeah, that was a big omission. That's the thing that I struggle the most with of trying to figure out how to Ocarina of Timeify, the Breath of the Wild format is how can you allow climbing and still have items that allow you to progress and do different things. Like, that's on y'all intended to figure out, blow my mind.

I literally don't think you can. And for that Ocarina of Time remake, I want stamina. Because again, I want like the, like, again, not full dark souls, don't freak out, but like something closer to that where you're actually thinking about everything that you're inputting. And I think having a stamina,

maybe just purely based for combat, not like other activities that you do outside of combat, I think would be really interesting. I think the hook shot could just be a cool down item. Like, it could be a main thing in addition to climbing and you were hookshodding as high as you can go to then climb on the wall to then get to the next spot.

Think about the game you guys played yesterday. Yeah, with a game we just streamed yesterday, Lost Skies, I believe. Yeah. Fuck, that game is awesome, man. Like, it's just straight up, your grapple hook is a Spider-Man swing, and the way the physics worked was incredible.

But I think you made a great point before we even started this games cast. Wait, I don't know if we talked about. When did you ask Kevin about Eternal Strands? Oh, that was that before the show started. before the show started. Okay. It was the commercial break.

Eternal Strands, I would love if eternal, like, when you play Eternal Strands, it deals with the elemental sort of things and lighting things on fire and ice, you know, or using fire to melt the ice and all that sort of stuff. And climbing gigantic enemies, it's like, dude, if they just had more, if they just included all of the stuff that I loved about Dragon's Dogma inside of a Zelda game, With Zelda mechanics and Zelda polish, Nintendo Polish, this game would be so incredible. Because I had such a fun freaking time, either shooting the weak spots or using my gravity to lift up a rock and toss it and hit that weak point that then, you know, makes the armor fall off. And then now the arm is exposed to weakness.

Such an awesome freaking fun time. That idea, Immortals Phoenix Rising. Hey, man. Hey man. Nintendo polish. Yeah, it goes a long way. God, Andy, one day you're going to play Twilight Princess. one of the dungeons you get dual hook shots

Oh shit There's only two How many walls are there So many god dude That that fucking boss fight where you're swinging from towers to fight God damn Twilight Princess is good Like the day you play Twilight Princess It's gonna be one of those like

Oh man like there are other games That are better in the franchise But this is like my person I think you were gonna fucking adore I'm pretty sure I was on summer vacation when I played Twilight Princess So I didn't have shit like shit else to do Get this off the screen. Like, if you ever play Twilight Princess,

just like, you know, calling sick to work for a couple weeks. Weeks. But also stream it at the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tim, I'm sick. I'm streaming 12 hours. Joshua Bonnet says,

birth to while and tears are amazing, but I need them to add real dungeons and finding unique items that bring the almost Metroidvania element that's missing. We talked about that. Mirage says, could the gang predict

what the future Zelda slate year by year? It looks like. We kind of did that as well, Andy. I just wanted to say, I don't, I've never been the person that hates weapon degradation, but I wouldn't mind if they replace it with something else. If they replace it with a different sort of, you know, I love the, I love opening a treasure box and finding like, oh shit, this is a brand new thing that I can replace my old thing with. I, I didn't mind breaking weapons and I didn't mind sort of having a

long sort of list of things to sort through. It was kind of a pain in the ass, obviously, but there's better ways to go about it. But I wouldn't mind a, you know, especially with the freedom of builds that we've seen through something like Avowed recently where, you know, when you play a Souls game, it's all very limited. It's like, no, that weapon has to be for your class.

I love that avow. It's just like, hey, whatever you kind of fuck with, go with it, you know? And they can get really creative with how cool and awesome their weapons can look. Yeah. I actually do like the weapon degradation as it works and usually I don't like it but in Zelda Tears Kingdom Breath of the Wild I think it works

but like to your point I think it could be cool to have more unique weapons that don't degrade right like because there are some weapons where I collect and I'm like oh I fucking love this thing I'm never going to use it never use it. I'm going to put it in my I'm going to like frame it in my house yeah and like just leave it there I'm never going to use this thing CJ splits on says idea old link like howl's moving castle oh man just like I was say and you play as link's child and they talk It's weird. His name is...

Like that, why would you speak to me? Yeah, Link still doesn't talk but the kid does. And his name is... Kid never learned how to talk. Seven past ten says, I wish the next high rule

would feel more lived in with more villages and more people, more density. Could we ever get like a non-postapocalyptic high rule? Yeah. We've gotten plenty of those. We've gotten it before,

but like... Let me see them with the highest economy ever. Yeah. I want a thriving high rule. I want to see a best buy next to a fucking dick sporting goods. I mean, maybe that is a way... It's a way...

It's a way that they could do the same high rule, but like completely different or it's like 10 years later. And like everything is like rebuilt in ways that we could not have imagined. Yeah, one of busts on high rule. Yeah. I like that. Tadisius says, I'd love to see them

explore the lore and history of the four sword in the same way they did with the master sword, but with modern 3D Zelda gameplay. I mean, that would be interesting if the pitch that lesson Andy had earlier of like a multiplayer game. If it did also have story beats and things that like add to

the lore, but... And then I can get along costumes. I pay money. Give me the... Red Nintendo... A Mario glider. Oh, man, an amoebo glider? Oh, shit. I'm doing like a Kid-Icarus glider. Can you ask just all of us grappling around a big enemy? Just grapples. We can do that in so many other...

Let's taking down a dragon. Like one of the dragons are flying around. Let us know in the comments below what you would want to see from the next legend of Zelda. On the switch... Oh, man. Come on. We have... a full day of fun stuff like I was saying Greg and Mike are about to stream a little 66

and stay tuned to the kind of funny in review podcast feed or YouTube for the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man and Cobra Kai screencast. Until next time I was also pre-order skins. Oh man oh man. Go on man

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