Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3+4 Review - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

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Welcome to the Kind of Funny Games cast for Monday, July 7th, 2025. I'm your host, Andy Cortez, and I'm joined by the Midwest McTwist, Blessing Jr. Whoa, I like that. Good day, Andy. Good to see you, Blessing. The joy on his face. Oh, yeah. Because I've been McTwisting it up this weekend.

I've been doing so many McTwist, so many 900s. Hell yeah. So many 900s. Oh, my God. And I failed him half the time. Like, fucking bailing left and right and I still keep doing it. And I'm like, that's a clear term. You were fine there.

It's like, I don't know where I'm going to end up in the turn. Yeah. Like I go up, I do the 900. I'm like, oh, fuck, I'm sideways on his bail. There's a couple of those moves where I'm like, I don't know. I still can't get the grasp of, am I going to be okay when I land? That's hilarious. Like, it's usually grabs.

Who's your best friend? It's usually the grabs, though. Like, when I'm doing grabs in certain ways with the board, it's like, my legs are in such a weird position. Oh, yeah. Am I coming down straight? I don't know. I don't know if I'm going to mess you up.

I don't know if I'm going to come down with this thing. I'm going to be alright. I'm also joined by the Bay Area Board Slider Tim Gettys. I love it. Some little nicknames. What a day to be alive, boys. It's going to be a good one today.

It is. Before we get into it, absolutely not the show to say this, but I have to say it somewhere because it happened to me this weekend. K-pop demon hunters. Oh, I saw a thread talking about you would like this. You too.

Required viewing. You have to watch this fucking movie. It's from the production company, Spider-Verse, right? It crossed the Spider-Verse. They did Mitchells and the Machines. Right. Oh, yeah, I love that.

What a joy. Yeah. Same kind of thing, but this is fucking awesome. Anime is all fuck. Final Fantasy is all fuck. Full on K-pop musical. Full on. I love that.

I thought it was, oh, maybe there's a song here or there. There's a song every five seconds. I'm texting the group chat right now. Is it getting you into K-pop to me? No, this feels like the nice level of like, arms reach tourist.

You know what I mean? Where you get to kind of experience it, and then like, you're right, I'm going to go back to my normal day today. I do fuck with the soundtrack, though. It's super good, but like the fight scenes are insane. And like all of fight scenes. Dude, the demon hunters.

Oh shit. I guess I hadn't considered that. You hung up on the gay box. It's so good. It freaking rules. Like I was the slightest bit let down by F1. Topkin Maverick, my favorite movie of all time. I was looking for that high.

Didn't quite get it. Great movie. Just didn't quite give me the like, oh, I'm obsessed with this. K-pop demon hunters. It's a slippery slip from here because this is how Alyssa got into K-pop was turning red. Oh yeah. I mean, very, very similar, similar things. I think this is a lot better. difference now. Very different point and all that. Okay. This is a way, this is more of a, this is such a movie. I have, I mean, I think it was last summer that I was obsessed with the LeSerafin.

And I just kept on playing that one damn song. Because TikTok just kind of, you know, takes over. It's just like, here's Lacerapid nonstop. And I just kept on playing that one song. And it was a great time. So I think I would enjoy it. I think I'd enjoy it. I'll say what I got. really, really into the weekend. The altars. Yeah. Oh, nice. That's so my shit. Yeah. It's really enjoyable. Really cool game. Super great with, I mean, it's just so my shit with inventory management and crafting and making stuff.

And then suddenly you got your clone back home being like, hey, should I work on this thing? And like, yeah, you know what? We were kind of antagonistic towards each other at the beginning, but now we're friends. Yeah. And yeah, you should work on that thing. I would love that. I don't think I'd have it. I made a beef with my clone. Because it's like, I know, I know where you come from. You know where I come from. We have like the share.

Like, why are we beefing? Right. We're the same. But I mean, the whole concept. The whole concept is that you are, you're cloning yourself. Like, very formative moments in your life that that clone took a different choice in life.

Yeah. So it's like, so that guy, you find out why he's such an asshole at first. It's like, oh, because you stood up to your dad and you didn't. Like your clone did, but you didn't. And you went off and you're dealing with sadness because you missed the death of your mom. But your clone was around for it because he chose to stay.

It's like, whoa, that's shit. Man, it's an awesome game. I'm really, really enjoying it. I played a bit more on my Steam Deck last night. Having a good time with it. I need to get back to it. I got real distracted by playing Don Kong Tropical Freeze. Ah, yeah.

Which I'm going to talk about, I think later this week. I think tomorrow, actually, I'm going to talk about it. And then also playing Tony Hawk's pro skater, three plus, four. But while we're doing the show and tell a segment, I over the weekend watched the bear season four, whatever the most recent, yeah, finish the last season of the bear, which I'm still unclear on whether or not it's supposed to be the finale season or not. I think they confirmed a fifth one or the season next year. Really? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. I really love the season of the bear. So season three like kind of took me out of it a little bit.

Like I still can't pinpoint what it was. I think there was something about like if you're too far from the sun. I keep saying this. It was the season three of the bear. It was too far from the sun. That's what happened. That's what happens. Do you know how to make Chicago beef? You know what I mean? Yeah, okay. Think about it, okay?

Putting words together. The premiere of season three just set the wrong tone. Way too artsy. It felt like, oh, we're doing something different because they're doing something different episodes of our favorites, right? They went too far. They did two different. This was like, hey, and I just feel like it kind of set the tone of like, I'm not here for this. And then they just kept trying to try it and like, it wasn't bad at all.

But I just feel like, for me personally, that's what ruined it. But yeah, season four so far, I feel. not fully done yet, but a lot better. There's something about it where, like, at every turn, it subverted where I thought it was going to go in, like, ways that surprised and delighted me, right? Where I'm just like, oh, man, like, I totally thought y'all were going to do this and they ended up not. And then also, like, I feel these characters, man.

There's something about when a show depicts a family so well and so strongly, especially a dysfunctional family, where it's like, you see how they don't get along, but you understand why they're still together. Oh, yeah. That shit. That shit hits, man. That shit hits. I hope that we haven't crossed that threshold

because I think maybe season three may have made it seem like to an outsider like myself that when more bear stuff gets announced it and it goes, oh, enough, dude, fucking end it, you know? But I'm hoping that four has kind of maybe turned it around and people are...

I would have been okay with this being the last. But also, the last episode kind of left on a note where I was like, I don't know if I'm satisfied. So knowing that there's another season, I'm like, okay, sure. I would want next season to be the last because, yeah, where it ends the season, bless? Like, I want to see at least a little bit of what that whole group looks like after this big decision at the end of the season.

Now, the show takes place in Chicago. Has there ever been a Chicago level in a Tony Hawk game? Their house. There has. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Because we're an 11-person business all about live talk shows. K of GD was.

I heard Greg just swore in up a storm talking about Xbox. Talking about capitalism. I think about shareholders. I think, though, we both got up in arms a little bit. Yeah, I got a little heated, and I get it. I totally understand. But this is the kind of funny games cast. Each and every weekday, we get together to talk about the biggest reviews,

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No. We'll talk about it. There was like the perfect segue. I thought it was a clear perfect segue. I was very surprised. I wouldn't have admitted that I would have just taken ownership over that plus. Just real quick, just so you know. Why can't I find the Chicago level? Tony Hawk 1 had a Chicago level. The first tournament level was in Chicago. But a proper Chicago level was in Tony Hawk 4. However, it's not in the remake because it wasn't actually a Tony Hawk 4 level. It was a Matt Hoffman's ProBMX2 level that was like a secret level in Tony Hawkman.

Matt Hoffman. This man has the knowledge. That's crazy. Dude. That's a wild. When I was all about that B3, Blades, bikes, and boards. Okay. On ESPN, learn about Matt Hoffman.

I'm so into this. I can't skateboard where the lick, but I'm really, really into this world. Sort of like Sonic earlier. I was telling you. Yeah.

I enjoy the vibe of Sonic. I just don't want to play the games, you know. I was thinking with skateboard. We'll talk about it. Yeah, we'll talk about it later. After this,

you are going to get Jurassic World Rebirth in review. I thought it was impossible to not be good. And it'd be as bad as all of you who saw it a week before I did said, do I still think that? You'll have to wait.

You'll have to wait and see. And after that, the goonin continues. in Dune Awakening with me and Nick. We're going to be back in Iraqis. We're going to be back. Nick moved into my house last night. I heard you paid his rent.

He paid your rent. He paid my taxes. He paid your taxes. Yeah. He went to Erikeen and was like, oh, I just paid my tax. He goes, oh, there's another charge here for like $6,000. And we're like, oh, that's funny. You got charged twice.

And then I went to go and I was like, I says I owe nothing. And he goes, oh, I probably paid your taxes. This is a good time. Good time. So he moved in with me last night. We're still waiting on Snowback Mike to maybe move in, but it seems like he's uninstalled already. He may have given up. Really? Yeah, if you're kind of funny, yeah, he, you know, he gets in his feeties. You know, he gets in his fifies. If you're kind of funny, remember today,

today's today's the day that Greg sees Superman. Find out what the excitement levels are. In today's Greg Way, thank you to our Patreon producers, Delaney, the Somm Twining, Carl Jacobs, and Omega Buster. Today we're brought to you by Shady Ray's, but we'll tell you all about that later. For now, let's start with topic of the show. Tots, Tots, Tots, Tots, Tots, Tots, Tots, Tots, Tos. Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 and 4. Antonio Hawk is back, Tim.

And let me just read a little quick, a little wiki, some. Even though everybody knows what this is. But Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 and 4 is an upcoming skateboarding video game developed by Iron Galaxy and published by Activision, similar to Vicarious Vision's predecessor, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2. It is a remake of Pro Skater 3 and 4, both from 2001 and 2002 with hand back to back I don't know they're pumping them out like that I don't realize that um you know what I realized recently um what I realized

what I realized what I realized recently they were like they really were like they really were annualized all the way through American wasteland that's crazy um you know how we always do the um we always do deep impact Armageddon volcano um Dante's Tatea podcast yeah of course that yeah yeah and it's always like these two movies that came out of the same time Gotcha. Yeah, yeah. Like movies that just kind of like right back to back, right? Friends with benefits and, um...

Oh, I know. No strings attached. No string. Yeah, that's the one of the two. That's a great question. It's one of the two, isn't it? I'm going to say no strings attached. Yeah.

I was thinking recently about the movie powder. Um, this guy has magical powers, bald white guy. He's like a... So his whole skin's just like powder white. Okay. He like bends a spoon in one of the trailers. was like, well, it was freak me out as a kid. And I was like, I always thought it was, you know, we don't talk enough about how powder

and Michael, the movie where John Travolta was an angel. Insane cast in this movie. Oh, no. Jeff Goldblum was in this stuff. Oh, nice. Sean Flannery plays powder. Yeah, yeah. It's a fascinating movie.

So it was that and Michael where John Travolta came to Earth and chat was like, no, Andy, you're thinking of a phenomenon where John Travolta had like magical powers. You've never sounded more like Nick than right now. And these were all around in the same. era and then I looked at the years. Powder came out in 1995 and in 1996, John Travolta was in Michael where he started an angel who came to Earth

and he also started a phenomenon in 1996. No way. John Travolta, you can't be putting out two movies like that. That's too close. So Tony Hawk came out, you know, been annualized, which is a pretty surprising. The game is scheduled to be released on Switch and Switch 2. PS4, PS5, Windows, Xbox

and the series, Xbox 1 and the series X and S consoles on July 11th. However, you can get the game. early on July 8th if you pre-order the digital deluxe or collectors edition they're doing early access tomorrow whole week early access fascinating the Xbox thing um we've all played some of this

yeah Tim you have played by far the most of this oh yes um bless do you want to let me know your thoughts first and how much how much time you have in Tony Hawk 3 and 4 uh yeah I play I played according my steam deck I believe I played about six hours

um which has been enough for me to I believe we'll unlock every level unless I'm like missing some hidden levels or something. But essentially I've gone through the career modes on both THP3 or Tony Hawkspo Skater 4. Okay. Yeah. Damn, you're so much better than me.

Oh, dude. I'm like five hours in and like was trying to do the completionist thing. And I'm just like so bad at the game and I just don't have that muscle memory. But man, the waves of nostalgia just hit me. You go to exactly where you were in that place in time of I was at my cousin's house playing. You know, like it's just it's so wild how to. nostalgic this franchise is. What I realized as I was playing, because I was, I was like, man, am I

worse at this game? Like, why is it so hard to get some of these goals? And then, like, I had a flashback to being a kid and just using every cheat code under the sun. I was like, as a kid, I was using anti-gravity. I was using unlimited balance on the rail, unlimited balance on the fucking manual tricks and all that shit. They're just game modes.

You go in, you can do all that stuff. If you put on settings that you can just checkmarked. So cool. It's required. Tim, how much time do you have in Tony Hawk 3 and 4? because you are the one to talk hoc. I am the one to talk hawk. That's what they say about me.

I'm about 20 hours into this, obviously. It's become my obsession. We all knew that was going to be the case. I have done the majority of things. I'm at a point right now that there are a handful of goals that I haven't done because I've tried. I just can't figure out their new goals. Don't know what to do.

So I'm going to need to wait for some type of, like, someone to tell me what's going on with like the, I think three that I have left. Just finding things or whatever. Or I'm just going to keep skating around until I eventually find it, because I'm having so much damn fun doing that. The score is an interesting conversation, because I do want to start there.

What would I give Tony Hawks Pro Skater 3 plus 4 on the kind of funny scale? I got to start by saying Tony Hawk's 1 plus 2 remake that came out a couple years ago that this is heavily, heavily based on different developer here. We have Iron Galaxy now. We had vicarious visions before. but it is essentially using the exact same style assets engine, all of that, which is why this game runs as great as it does,

looks as great as it does, and is available on literally every system known to man. It's kind of wild of how many places it's available. I played it on PC, which was not ideal for me. Obviously, Tony Hawk and PlayStation go hand in hand, still got to use my dual sense. Some of the haptics and things weren't always what they're supposed to be

because, you know, using different controllers on different systems and all of that. But all that being said, Tony Hawk's 1 and 2 remake is debatably my favorite game of all time. When I really stop and think back to what game do I enjoy, am I going to enjoy for the rest of time? Obviously, there's the Smash Brothers on a ton of different Mario games. But the Tony Hawk franchise, when it is the full moveset that I'm looking for and I'm just in the zone, it's the only game I would say I'm actually good at to any extent. And the full move set to me is Tony Hawk 4.

every game would add something. Tony Hawk 2 added the manual. Tony Hawk 3 added the revert. Tony Hawk 4 added the spine transfers and kind of balancing out when you're in the air so you can land better or even just like go up a pipe and then balance out so you can land on a grind better and go from there. To me that is like the move set totally fulfilled where it's actually additive to the combos. Once you get to thug, get off the board and all that stuff, great for exploring, great for a different style of game. But in terms of the arcadey feel of what Tony Hawk is, four was the peak. one and two remake used that engine and let you do all that stuff and because of that it is one of my favorite games all time um so looking at this tony hark three and four two of the highest rated games of all time tony hark three sitting at the number third highest metacritic ever at a 97 tony hark four at 94 so yeah a remake of those two games there's a lot of expectations i think for the most part they really pulled it off i'm torn here because on one hand this is easily a nine to me this game is something

I'm going to be playing for the rest of time. There's so much great quality of life stuff they've done. The levels are just as fun. The music's just as good. All of it is exactly what I want to be. The three new levels feel like old levels, and I mean that in the most complimentary way possible. I can't believe how naturally they fit in with the style.

Absolutely love that stuff. But part of me is just being pulled towards even giving it an eight because there's a lot of stuff missing. There's a lot of stuff that I question, like, why would they do that? or I wish they would just spend the extra money to license this song or this outfit in the game or these, this shoe brand or things like that. There's just a lot of times I'm questioning why they make this decision. And a lot of it I can understand why it's money, it's time. You're like, I don't want to rock Adidas.

I really don't. So there's a lot of things like that. And I just feel like there are enough weird emissions and enough things where I'm like, I'm not exactly sure exactly what I'm supposed to be doing right now with some of the goals, no matter how well I know these games. and I was just like, some of the creativity was a little lacking for me. So I think I'm going to settle on an 8.5. It is between the 8 and the 9 for me. You can do that. Yeah, we can do that.

That's what we're allowed to do here. But I do think that personally, despite loving this game, it's not perfect. I do think there's definitely a little tiny room for improvement here and there. But 8.5 from me. Lovely. Well, I want to dive deeper in after a word from our sponsors. This episode is brought to you by Shady Ways. Get ready for the season ahead with quality shades built to last.

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Mm-hmm. Because you mentioned in getting off the board and thug would have been great for one of those stat points on the suburbia rooftop. God, what a pain in the ass. That fucking mad. Fucking suburbia. I hate suburbia. How are you going to have a goddamn little cul-de-sac with just two little baby?

Ramsey to put something in there. Destroy all the pumpkins. Fuck these pumpkins. Get these pumpkins out of my face. Jesus. So I'd like to maybe start off with Bless and ask you what character did you start to Maine? What did you create a character? You know, were you doing all the customization?

Favorite levels? That sort of thing. Ooh, okay. I first start off with Tony Hawk, because I'm basic. You know what I mean? You give me a Mario sports game. I'm going to play as Mario. That's my, I want the person that's best all around. I don't want any weaknesses. That's all I think about it, right? No weaknesses. And for me, Tony Hawk

is the man with no weaknesses to him. Except for you know, street, but you know, yeah, no weaknesses. He's my Mario. I don't know. So I did the, I did Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3. What I was going to say with Mario with Tony Hawk? Also, I want to preface like my history a little bit, right? Because like this is my first time playing Tony Hawk's Pro Skater

4. I grew up, I played like a little bit of 1. I played a lot of bit of 2. I played a whole lot of bit of 3. 3 was like my favorite up until I eventually played Thug 2. And then I spent like, I just like, once I got to Thugty, I was like, oh, this is my thing. I love, and I know it's like, there's a conversation we had because I think three is

obviously more true to what Tony Hawk is because it is the arcadey thing. It is two minutes. It is, you're not getting off your board. It is more about the execution, all that stuff. I fuck with the vibe of Tony Hawk in general so heavy man in the games, right? Like, yeah. I like the edgy nature of it. I liked in Thug 2 hanging out with like the jackass crew and like these dumb storylines and like doing. dumb shit. My favorite objectives in Tony Hawk are things where it is like, all right, free the bull or like, you know, do like fucking bother somebody or like, you know, dunk somebody in the water or like one of the things that I missed in this game. Dump the snow on the bully. Yeah, dump the snow

on the bully. One of the things I missed in this game, even though it's not even an objective in the original, but in Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 in the Canada level, there's a guy who's like pissing off or like literally pissing. Is he still there? Is he still there? Yeah. No way. I've gone, I've like He's trying to find him multiple times. Yeah, he's like the, when you first start the level, like, you just go straight to the left. I'm pretty sure he's there. Like, is he on, like, the ramp that's at the end of the... Yeah.

I've not seen... I've, like, gone there, like, two or three times. I've not seen him. So I'm gonna check again, but... I could be wrong. Yeah, like, that was one of my favorite things in the K&L level, Tony Hawk is, like, being telling my friend's, like, yo, you see that guy pissing? Like, I fuck with that shit.

I don't know. Like, there's something that I think just brings me back to, I guess, my childhood and, and watching like bits of jackass or like feeling like I'm part of like the skater culture even though I'm just playing a fucking video game. And so I say all that to say, right, that like I'm coming into this playing three and like knowing three like the back of my hand and absolutely loving it and then hopping into the four levels and playing it like it's a brand new campaign for myself. And so, you know, play to Stoney Hawk during three, switch to a custom skater for four and just

played with a custom skater that way I can like mess around with the customization options and then also feel more ownership over to how I'm allocating my stat points and stuff. Customization options I thought were fine. I wasn't blown away or anything, but I got a character to look as close to me as possible. I was shot. I couldn't find any options for glasses or like facial accessories aside from like hats and stuff, which is maybe the first time outside of like fantasy games where it's like,

oh, I can't wear glasses. Like this is kind of weird. Yeah, you're going to break them if you skate. I mean, fair, but also I want to look like me. I think like fun too. I booted up last night. Like, I'm pretty sure that has glasses

I can put on my character. How'd you boot that up? Ah, you know, don't worry about it. Allegedly booted up. But yeah, did I answer all your questions? Terry said,

no nerd. Tony was like, put BAM in, but like, keep the nerds out of this pitch. Andy, what about you? I ended up,

I started as one of, a couple, was doing a couple levels because I didn't think how, I wasn't really thinking I was going to get into this a whole lot. Like, I thought, yeah,

all right, I have a code. I'll play an hour. hour maybe just to kind of, you know, grease the wheels, fly close to the sun. And then I just kind of kept on going. And I think that's the magic of these Tony Hawk arcade games is it's not only the nostalgia that's pulling me back, but it is the addictive cycle. It's that, you know, it's a really good, solid game design cycle of if you don't, you

miss that last letter in skate, got to go back and get it. And there's something so satisfying about checking everything off of that list. And it feels awesome to do so. And you feel yourself getting better. And then you see how the levels change. And you go, oh, shit, wow, this was like a really cool thing to do back in the day. Like, that's an awesome little change for this in that suburbia level to have that little. I remember that really scary axi mary.

I was always kind of freaked out by the suburbia level as a kid. But, you know, going on and then doing the Rio tournament. and I don't know, it's got such a great loop and it's no wonder why they are so highly rated. Can I say this is the, I think, first time that I've truly appreciated the objective design of Tony Hawk, like the Pro Skater series specifically, where I think one of the reasons as a kid

why I took to Thug 2 specifically is like it just felt like you're in an open level and like, you know, no restrictions, talk to whoever, do all this goofy shit, right? And I enjoyed it for that. Playing Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 plus 4 this time around and like really kind of like paying attention to the structure of all right like i'm going for the six six score and so like i'm

like rerunning this level until i get it but as i'm doing that i am seeing all these things along the way and being like oh wait the skate letters i think i know the route to like get all the game design levels yeah it's like and like you know getting that and then also on the way to doing that seeing some other objective and how they balance out really well hey we have a handful of like these collectible things but then like a handful of these unique things that like you're going to have to either stumble across or like kind of learn the level a bit. I was really impressed this time around, especially in Tony Hahn's Pro Skater 4, where I was like, oh shit.

Like I really, I had to like think about how you laid out this level for me so I can like get here and then get up down here and then do all that within a two minute run. Seeing it with a with a new lens, like seeing the deliberate choices, it's so sharp. Like, I don't know, it's just such a solid fucking game. Pretty smartly made game. Yeah. And so I ended up going with, I forget what skater, like I think she was from Brazil. And then I was like, no, I'm going to create my own dude.

And, you know, the mustache and the beard, not necessarily connected, but kind of disconnected. It was enough for me to be okay with it. But, yeah, the, you know, character creator, it's fine. Nothing special. You have a choice of around 25 faces to choose from. And then you can kind of, like, pick skin color from there and go with a hair. But customizing the board was fun. and I kind of remember the fun enjoying there.

Yeah, I want to talk about the customization a little bit because I'm very let down. And I was let down in one and two remake as well. But the Tony Hawk games were some of the earliest games to feature Create A Anything. And they really went overboard as the franchise went on of create a character, create a deck, create a goal, create a park, create all that stuff.

And a lot of that is still here and very, very fleshed out. The Creative Park specifically, I think, seems like a step up from one and two remake. but the creative skater, you're similarly limited to the to the way you were last time, but I feel like they have a lot less brands for clothing.

There's like no Nike stuff at all this time. There was in one and two remake? There was. Oh shit, okay. And there's just like a couple of bizarre omissions, like things like glasses. Like how is that not there? Like it just feels like there's entire verticals of options

that I would expect. And it kind of just feels that the characters aren't ever going to be that unique from each other. it's all just variations of a theme, which I understand, like, these games can be that way, but we've seen it before, they're not. Like, you're able to do so many different things in the earlier games customization.

And, like, there's little things like, the lack of jackets in this game is crazy to me. Like, how's it not a bomber jacket in a Tony Hawk Pro Skater game? Yeah, that is kind of nuts. And it wasn't one and two. Gave myself a purple hoodie with the monster logo in front. There's a couple of things on my,

oh, Andy, Andy said. He's got his outfits. But even with the decks, there's a ton of decks, which is awesome and a ton of secret stuff. But the secret stuff feels like they over-indexed on effects, where it's like, oh, like your deck's glowing now, your deck's shiny now, your deck's gooey now.

Your glider looks funny when you're falling in Fortnite or whatever. Yeah, it's like the little, like, sparkly star effects. And I feel like I would have definitely preferred more variation in terms of like, even just colors or in terms of like what you can customize. Like it feels like a step back in a lot of ways, which is a bummer for me as somebody that, like, took a picture of my damn face and used the network adapter to get it into Tony Hawk for, originally, you know. Yeah, I would have preferred some face sliders. Just, you know, I, I mean, it definitely isn't as limited as some other tiles I've seen recently, but it's, it was kind of a bummer. I wasn't, like, super stoked on it. Yeah. It feels limited for Tony Hawk, because I, if I booted up Thug to right now, allegedly, like, I feel like there's more customization options in, like, the classic Tony Hawk games than I'm seeing in this game.

especially with the fact that you can have like your skater be the dude in three and four and like that's a lot of game time to be playing as your special character that should be you or should be whoever you want to be represented by like it's kind of a bummer that uh that it was

as limited as it was but I yeah when when Tim said he played 20 hours again how bad I am at the game with Blessing saying he played five and like unlocked everything Tim saying that he played 20 I was like oh so he's maybe a little bit more than halfway but that's just on my math because of how bad I am at the game.

I mean, actually, I just got to the skater, or I unlocked Skater Island, but I was just doing an airport. Okay, cool. Are you like, oh, you're doing everything? Yeah, I'm like trying to do everything. I mean, it's so funny because, I mean, like, bless was saying, Tony Hawk 3 was like,

the fucking game. Like, I played that. I mean, to get the unlockable characters, which was always such a huge thing in those early games. Like, Tony Hawk 3 had Darth Mall and, um, was Wolverine and Wolverine and Wolverine? Yeah. Officer Dick.

Jango Fat, I think. think. Yeah, Django Fett. Maybe that was four. They got Django? Yeah, dude. It was crazy.

Anyways, to get those characters, you had to beat the game with every skater. And so you would replay the career mode of three over and over and over. And like, I remember getting it down to, I could beat the entire game in 54 minutes. I don't think that's impressive as like a speed run thing. But I was doing that.

I remember after school every day, I'd get home and be like, I'm going to play through one. It's going to take me about an hour. So yeah, I know that shit just so well. So, you know,

I was done with a Tony Hawk three thing and like, one very small sitting you know what you mean but it's it's so cool to see what they've done because like you haven't played four and have you played for it before yes I played up until Thug 1

but I definitely fell off around like probably four and Thug 1 like I was I'd say one and two are the ones that I put hundreds of hours into so four was the first one to kind of break the formula of how the game is played.

So it was open. There was no more two minute timer. And it would be in each level kind of felt a bit more like an open zone where you'd skate up to an NPC and they'd tell you, hey, my cat stuck in a tree. Go help me. You're like, there's combo letters. Get the combo. Get the skate. Get all that stuff.

So there's pros and cons with that. It allowed for some goals to be a little bit more extended and not have to fit into being able to do that and other goals within two minutes. So I feel like because the two minute. timer, like speed runs are based around getting all the goals in two minutes, right, in one run. Um, so that kind of limits how advanced the goals can be for because it didn't have to care about that allowed some of the goals to be like multi-layered like do this story beat, which then causes this thing, which allows you to jump over that and like it'd be like a lot more

in depth. Um, and just a lot more stuff. However, it also resulted in a lot of them just kind of being filler and a lot of of them not being that fun over time. And replaying four to me over the years doesn't have the same kind of like quality hit as I would think. But the solution for this game is just get rid of that entirely. Like they now have Tony Hawk 4 functioning and structured like Tony Hawk 3.

So it's just like the small little challenges in a two minute timer. You can change the two minutes to be pretty much however long you want. If you just want to just have fun and not be worried about all that stuff. and I think it works. I feel like it doesn't really make for a worse game in any way. And another thing is once you beat the game three and once you beat four, like all the first set of goals, you get pro goals.

So each level then has five more goals that are pro goals. Pro goals, yeah, which are a lot harder. That's where combo comes. And then a fun thing, it's skate, but it's C-O-M-B-O. And you have to do it,

get them all in one combo, right? A lot of fun. And it kind of allows, you to really learn fun lines in the different levels. Because four now functions like three, they're adding the pro goals. We're now getting combo in three for the first time. So we're getting like some of the four goals in three.

So even though by far not every goal in three in four is in this game, because I think there was like 190 goals or something in the original four. A lot of them are, the ones that matter are for the most part, I would say. And three now gets a lot of the best parts of four. So I think there's a very satisfying package in terms of content and goals in this game, but it clearly is not a remake of the original Tony Hawk 4. This is essentially think of it as Tony Hawk 3 with a whole bunch of new content, and then a four level pack, two, three, with some new levels as well that are bangers.

I didn't get to ask you, Tim, did you, I mean, you mentioned your issues with character customization. Were you also create a character, dude? I always said I was want to be Like at the end of it like that I have my character with my full set of special moves that I like and all of that Are you customizing move set? Oh definitely Okay

Oh yeah anybody try to create a park Very briefly just for the I didn't really cheap yeah I hopped into somebody else's creator park Okay just like see what you can do with it And their level pissed me off I was like never design a game in your life Hate this level This fucking love anybody play on Steam deck

I did Yeah all of it I so here's the thing is like I started playing I played like an hour on Steam deck and then I was like, all right, let me switch over to my PC. And then like the cloud save wouldn't go over to my Steam on PC. It's I was just stuck playing the full thing on Steam deck. Oh, okay. I played the entire thing on Steam Deck. I will say, hurt my thumbs.

The awkward game to kind of play with like the Steam Deck controls, I wish I was able to play on like my dual sense controller or something. Sorry, I just missed this. Were you saying that your saves weren't singing? Yeah. Yeah, I had that problem too. Okay. Which was a big bummer. Which is weird because usually when that happens, because this happens often with review codes where the sync,

save sync isn't on but it looked like it was on like here it would tell you that like your save is sync and like you can see the upload and then it just wasn't there yeah i've just been on their side i had that same same issue um which sucked because i played i essentially beat tony hawk three on the steam deck and then when i went to play actually on my pc it wasn't there and i was like ah fuck it started over on pc so and i just did everything from from then on on my tv via pc i i will say this i know this is you can, you know, don't tell Greg Miller about this, but you can probably catalog this under PC gaming sort of thing. But, like, being in the first couple levels,

Foundry in Canada especially, I was like, man, this game is like perfectly made. Not a dip. Getting, you know, 150 frames. It looks awesome. I think it's Unreal Engine, but I don't, I think it's like four, possibly still. I don't know if it's like Unreal Engine 5 that they're kind of working on. Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, because, again, this is still an Xbox one.

Yeah. It's PS4. Yeah. So with that being said, then when I hop into the Rio and Suburbia and Airport levels, getting like crazy dips in frame rate, like real bad stuff. And I'm, I got to assume it's one of those things where it's like, oh, just, yeah, that one settings fucked up. If you put that below, it's perfectly fine or whatever.

But I was having, you know, good high frame rates and then just like, boom, massive, like, hitch. On your Steam deck or on your PC? On PC. Oh, interesting. Yeah, like a massive hitch that almost, you know, looked like whenever you'd get crazy lag in a multiplayer game online or something. Like enough to where it was really, really, really bothersome. It wasn't just a minor thing that I'm midpicking about.

It was like, oh, this is like something's like fundamentally wrong here in the framework of what this setup is. And I know that the 50 series have had some issues with the Nvidia, but like I have a 4090 and I've largely been problem free for a long time, with a lot of these games. And yeah, for whatever reason, um,

it was, I was being hit with some crazy, crazy frame drops. I was playing on a 30-90, um, and I didn't have that experience at all. It was fucking insane. And again,

I've been playing a lot of one and two. And I've played one and two now on so many consoles, like Switch one, which was locked at 30. And you definitely feel that in a game like this. I played it on PS4, played on PS5 when we got the upgrades there. And then I've played a shit ton of it on PC as well.

And yeah, seeing those, the frame rate's like obviously the locked 60s awesome but playing on PC and getting that like 120 oftentimes was like nuts as well. You mentioning when you and I went to the Final Fantasy

concert and we hung out of that cool arcade bar before and you were mentioning how much how you've become addicted to the high frame rate life. How you never thought it was an issue. It's because of Tony Hawk. And now the

120 hurts. Yeah. Now you're seeing it, you're feeling it. And so that was like the majority of your experience was like, oh shit. Like I, oh, yeah. You are hitting the right button inputs at the right time. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I feel, I am so impressed with the quality of this game's performance. And people were asking in the chat about Switch 2.

Unfortunately, we have not played the Switch 2 one yet. We only, they only gave us PC codes. So far. Yeah. I definitely want to play it on everything just to see how it's, how it runs. But I'm sure it's going to run great because, like, these games are freaking optimized, man. Andy, earlier you asked about favorite level.

Did you have one? I mean, of the ones that I've experienced so far, I love the airport because of all of the grind opportunities. Like, there's just, it's just, it's just, it's the people movers. It's all, there's just so many opportunities to do there. But I, I don't know, there's, there's, talking about the nostalgia aspect of it,

my brain, just being time travel and portled back to, you know, 13 year old Andy and being like oh feeling like I'm in this tournament right now and I had a killer run and fucking Bob Bernquist got a fucking Bobby dude it's like it's such a cool I love the tournament level is probably the most like I'll like I just enjoy that competition and feeling like oh that's

goddamn Michelangelo from Ninja Turtles he came in first place what about you plus? Airport was like my OG like favorite level and I also love Canada but like I think this time around hopping into it. I may be partly because it's so fresh to me,

but also, like, living in San Francisco, the San Francisco level I fucking love to. Like, it's so good. It's really cool. Yeah, like, it's funny because I've never had it before where I'm playing a Tony Hawk game and I've, I'm like either in or I've been to the place that I'm playing, because I play this living in Champaign, Illinois. There was never a champagne level.

So, like, being in San Francisco and then playing the San Francisco level for the first time, being like, I feel like I recognize this area. Like, that was a crazy feeling in a Tony Hawk game. I love that so much. I mean, like that, my entire life has been, going place and being like, wait a minute, I know, I've experienced this. Like the balls in Los Angeles.

And I saw those. I was like, oh my God, they're real. Like, it's just so fun. But it is funny because three and four, like some of the most classic levels. I feel like that specifically like three added the revert, which allows you to continue your combos from Bert 2 Street. And because of that, the levels were designed around it. Like combos were so much crazier in three on. Like the level cap of like how many million.

you're getting like you could in any game get insane numbers but like getting a million in Tony Hawk one was fucking insane Tony Hawk two opened that up a little bit where getting a million was like you gotta be good but you easily could do it if you are good enough Tony Hawk three it's like 10 millions though like oh yeah try to get like that's just how high we scaled and it's because so much more combo opportunity but the levels are just designed so much better for insane um line sim you get a million really you get a million it's going to Oh, every run. Damn.

Not bad. I didn't realize you were like that. This whole conversation, I'm like, all of us are getting that. All of us are experiencing this. If I hit 20K, I'm like, fucking. Like, recently, like, for me, I thought I opened my third eye when I started hitting like 400K and I was like, dude, this crazy.

I'm doing combos off the specials and shit. This guy's getting a million on a regular run. It's so funny. Damn. Let's swing in it. Let's talk music. because I noticed that I don't remember

one, two, and three really sharing a whole lot of similarities in the soundtrack, but if like, are a lot of songs from just one and two in here as well? No? No songs repeated in the core games.

Fuck, I just think of like, CKY is all through... I was just three. And I think of... The A's in Space! I thought that was too. Are you shitting me? Like, I could have sworn that was two.

That's the intro song. song to three. I swear that's been like Tony Hawk one. But there are new songs in here as well. Yeah. So so here's here's I mean this. It's a I'm happy to be telling you guys about this game because I feel like we're getting into a lot of the fun conversations about this. Like something very special about Tony Hawk one and two remake and now three and four remake is it's not just taking the old game and making it prettier. There's a lot of love put into the culture side of it because like you were saying it's like you feel like you're part of skate culture like playing this game. I love that all the skaters, or at least the majority of skaters,

that were in the old games, the Tony Hawks and Bob Bernquist and Margaris and all of that, they're in it now, but they're the age they are now. Like, it's not like, oh, it's they're really cool. They're teenagers. It's like they are 50-year-old people, right? Or whatever they are, which is so fun because then there's also all these new skaters that are the new generation. There's this girl that won the Olympics for skating when she was like 13,

and she's in this game. And like, there's just so, so much more representation of, the current skaters. And just like the old games had the current skaters at the time choose the soundtrack, they do that now. So all the new songs are chosen by the new kids, which I just think is very, very awesome to like really continue what makes Tony Hot Games special these days.

So it's the nostalgia, but it's also like an understanding of, hey, we could do that again for another generation, you know? And I don't know that it'll ever hit exactly the same. But for skaters, I'm sure it's going to, right? Like there's just so much love put into. to it. So talking about the soundtrack is interesting because one and two,

they fucking nailed it. I think between Tony Hawk one and two, there's 25 songs total. And because those were PlayStation 1, so it was a much more limited space. And 22 of them made the jump to the remake. Only three of them

couldn't do the licensing issues. The Beatles. Skating out there to Abby Road. Then there was an additional about 25 songs. new songs added and I loved the one and two soundtrack like it was so damn good you mentioned the skaters getting older I just had to Google Eric Koston because I like whenever I

see him I'm like he looks like a cool dad but I wasn't sure if he's dead he is a dad confirmed hell yeah shout to you Eric Kosting Eric Koston he was always my go-to um yeah but uh this game is I love the soundtrack it is um it reminds me a lot of what I loved about one and two of Hey, here's a bunch of new songs that feel like classics that feel like the old Tony Hawk. And you can hate it if you want just because it's different. But to me, I'm like, hey, I have new songs added to my Spotify that'll be here forever. Like, I'm really, really having a great time with it. I am shocked at how much they missed the mark, though, compared to the one and two remake.

In terms of just bringing back the classics, there are so few original or Tony Hawk three and four songs in three and four remake. It's kind of shocking. I just looked it up. Yeah, it's only 10 returning songs between both games. Damn. And those games had significantly larger soundtracks than one and two. So that's kind of a letdown. There are some, like, fun caveats to that where a lot, in addition to that to what Barrett just said, a lot of the bands whose songs are cut are in the game just with different songs.

Oh. So like Iron Maiden had number of the beast in four, which are freaking loved. And now it has two minutes to midnight or whatever. Yeah, sex pistols has a different song. Instead of anarchy in the UK. Yeah. So there's a lot of that, which. I don't really know why they did that.

I mean, maybe this goes along with not having the Nike license. Maybe it was just like, we made a lot of money back on one and two remake and three and four is projected to be a little bit less. So let's spend less on those things possibly. I don't know. So that is, that's a bummer, but it doesn't get in my way because the soundtrack's great. Yeah. I mean, I was kind of bummed out, though, that, you know, when I brought up turnstile the other

week and Tim was like, oh, that's in the new game or in the new Tony Hawk. I was like, that sounds perfect because they are totally. a band that should be in Tony Hawk. And it's like, it's an okay song. It's one of their older songs, but it's like, man, there's so many better options that could have had from newer albums. There's like no more, like one of the most magical moments I've had

playing a video game, maybe ever, is kick push coming on. Yeah. Like kick push coming on while playing this game. I'm like, this is such a perfect vibe. It's such a perfect song, right? And I'm like, it's crazy experiencing two different intense feelings and nostalgia at the same time because I'm playing Tony Hawk while listen to Lupe Fiasco kick push. When that popped on,

I wish it was, there was like an open road. or an open room just like i guess you could turn the timer out maybe but like i don't know it just it kind of feels like i just it was the equivalent to driving down the coast in uh vice city with you know some 80s song playing you know again though like that is proof to me that like sure there might be some reason there's clearly reasons they couldn't get the things they would have done it if they could have right yeah um but tonyac one and two like getting the the the nostalgician style but still being like new they added a tribe called quest can i kick it which feels like that should have been in Tony Hawk to begin with, right?

And this one adding kick push, it's like, God, this just feels right. Absolutely nailed it. And like, yeah. Kendrick. Yeah, there's like a whole handful like collard greens, which is also in GTA5, which is funny.

Like Steve Lacey, C.U. Girl is in here. Vince Staples. Vince Staples, North Norfolk is on here. Like they got like a good handful of, um, really good songs. Like a lot of good variety too, right? Of like me hearing songs where I'm like,

oh damn, like this is bringing it back to Tony Hawk where I would not have heard the song if this game was introducing it it to me right now. Chat makes a good point and looking at the actual songs from returning bands that have different songs. I feel like some of these songs

definitely don't have the same level of notoriety as some of those original and I imagine because of that are definitely probably cheaper to license, right? Like Sex Pistols, the song now is Holidays in the Sun

which probably is a bit in terms of trying to figure out cost analysis, right? Yeah. Probably just cheaper. to do something different. Same but different. Yeah, which is fun.

Like there are a ton of bands, like obviously like you're talking about some of the more mainstream classic rock stuff. But there's a couple, like the toy dolls is one of the punk bands that like, I don't think you guys have ever heard of the toy dolls otherwise, right? Like there's,

I just know him from Tony Hawk. They have a new song and I'm just like, because they had a song called Dig That Groove Baby and four that I loved. It was a weird song. And now this one, I forget the name of it, but it's like,

oh, it's giving me the vibe of like, oh my God, I'm having this nostalgia hit for something I've never actually heard before. And I do like learning new music, even from older artists. Like, that's part of the joy of Tony Hawk. I want to get to a couple of super chats. We have one from Alec Bobco. Thank you, Alec Bobko, for your $5 super chat and asks,

what advice would you give to a newcomer to the Tony Hawk Pro Skater franchise? Didn't play much when I was younger, aside from on the PS1 demo disc and THPS2 on Game Boy Advance. Love that game. Love that game so much. My advice would be to go into it and think of it as a 3D platformer. Like it is, you're in a level. They want you to explore every nook and cranny of that level.

They put a bunch of fun things to collect. And don't get overwhelmed too much by like being good or getting good, any of that stuff. Just skating around and getting the things is fun. There's a lot of satisfying just like reward in this game. Like the sound design is impeccable. It really is. all of it's so good when you get your special meter up and the music like has that like reverb effect added to it like there's just a lot of fun here so just skating around i think is step one

like don't don't get overwhelmed because i think it's easy to get overwhelmed and all the mechanics and like learning it all i don't think there's any way for this game to teach you how to play it at a great level just because of how much is going on the tutorial though tries its best um so i'd say play the tutorial like learn the basics but don't feel overwhelmed and And yeah, treat it more like a Badger-Kazooie or a Mario 64 than escaped for sure. That's such a great call because it does, the feeling that I get from restarting a run who reminds you of restarting a run in Astrobot when I want to, I miss that one little thing at the end of the level.

I'm like, ah, shit, I should have gotten that. I got to start that again. And it's fun because it's just inherently satisfying to play. I think by the tip of all give is like the first time I remember playing Tony Hawk was at a friend's house. They had it on a computer and it was a demo. was for Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 and you can only play that level.

Hangar. And I fucking loved playing it and there are no objectives. It was not career mode. It was just like a free skate thing that was available. So I'm just like grinding. I'm like trying out like doing the alleys and doing the flips and stuff.

And like that for me was enough to just have a blast with it. And so like I think the thing I'd say is like going to free skate and don't even if you're going into career and you're like frustrated trying to find the things or doing the tricks or whatever like just go to free skate and just fuck around for. I would say if you were playing this game for the very first time, just immediately go in to, I don't remember where it is in settings.

It might be in game mods, but you can turn the timer to just an hour. Oh, yeah. I think that's the right play. Don't stress yourself out trying to get everything in two minutes. I think that that is a fairly antiquated form of playing in a lot of ways, but I understand why they have it here and the goals are designed around it.

But if you don't have the nostalgia memory of playing it 20 years ago, I think it kind of gets in the way. Just like set it to an hour and then just like collect the things at your leisure. Yeah. Another super chat from Guitar Hero Arrow with a $5 super chat. It says, here's my birthday tax.

Thank you guys for the hundreds upon hundreds of hours of entertainment up over the years. Happy birthday, Guitar Hero. Happy birthday. Let's see. Any final thoughts we want to get out there when it comes to like new stuff?

I mean, my final thoughts. I play there's the Doom Slayer. That was cool. The Doom music fits so well. Yeah, it's awesome. I really think. think that it's bullshit that it's all hidden behind the collector's edition stuff, but

like they made sure it was worth it. Like you get multiple doomed decks, you get two doomed characters. A lot of doom decks. The music is what goes the furthest for me. Yeah, Michaelangelo is a secret skater. Secret skaters are better than they were in Tony Hawk one and two, but definitely not what they should have been. Who were they one and two?

There wasn't any like fun ones at all. Yeah, it was just like there was a skeleton like Neversoft guy and then Officer Dick. But there wasn't any like Michelangelo or anything like that. That was pretty neat. I enjoyed seeing Michaelangelo there.

Yeah. But my biggest thing I want to say is like, I just can't believe this game is real. We've been saying that for a long time of like from announcements of this game now being something that I'm playing. I am just so happy that in a world where video games are fucked and the industry is fucked

somehow good news can still happen and projects can be saved. Like, Bicarious visions died and this game still exists. Like, This is such a insane. I would have never believed it. I feel like I'm in a different universe type thing because like how did everything play out

that I'm playing three and four and it's this good. Barrett? Sorry, I just because people keep asking about like a Switch 2 performance and all that stuff. I did find one review that reviewed it on Switch 2, which is from Nintendoworldreport.com. Quote, while online on Switch 2 ran great in my experience, the same can't be said for overall stability.

Visually everything looks fine docked and on handheld, but the game crashed back to the console's home screen close to 10 times over my 20 plus hours of gameplay. I haven't played other versions to know if this is just a switch to two problem, but even if there's a decent chance these issues you get resolved, as it stands as I write this,

it's shaky right now. Interesting. I don't, for me it's always tough, like talking about stability stuff on Steam deck because oftentimes like a lot of reviews will say don't review this on Steam Deck yet. We're not ready. So I don't want to make this like a definitive thing,

but also I did have crashes on my Steam deck but again don't take that as gospel for like how it runs on PC overall cool uh people in the chat are asking how the trophy is i'm in guys i'm just in such a bad place yeah why i i am i should be more embarrassed than i am to admit how much i literally begged them to give me a PlayStation code instead of a pc code and they're like we're sorry we gave you the PC and i'm like i know but please please but make it right i called

somebody and I was like please I was like I want a planet of this very bad and they're like we know Tim we know but you don't understand but they do understand they just are like we're sorry we had you guys on the PC side of just like I know but anyway so yeah I'm now 20 hours into the PC

when I'm I don't know that I'm gonna wanna I will probably yeah I mean you will no but I do think you know Greg was talking about this recently about like how he's giving up the platinum race and all that, you know, he's fucking Greg now. And I'm just like, I think I might have to take the hit with this one. Not just. I think I'm going to have to take the crown.

I thought you were going to like take over. No, God, no, no. And I only care about the games I care. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I got my Tony Hawk one and two that I worked really hard for. I got my Astro. I got all the insomnia.

You're not getting platinum's for ZJ the ball? I'm not. I'm not. But I definitely should be platinum in this. I don't know. I won't be saying that word for the rest of my life. It's, dude. Play the game.

Play it again. It's the magical world. All this is to be said, the one and two platinum I was bishing about for a long time. Like the final trophy was bullshit. And it was a grind that was simply not fun. And you just had to play a lot for to get to level 100. This game does not have levels anymore, which is great. The challenges in this one are a lot more clear and fun and worth doing.

Like I'm really, really satisfied with the amount of content and what they're asking and the challenge and all that stuff. having said that. Instead of tying it to the levels, there's one thing where they are now, it seems to me at least. I have a couple things I need to do first. I think you unlock solo tours after you do all the pro challenges,

which allow you to then go back and beat the game as every single skater. Oh my God. And they're asking me to do that. Oh my God. And you know what? I'm not doing that. I'm not fucking doing that.

He's going to do it. He's going to do it. Well, I'm not. And especially now if it's, I don't even have my PlayStation code. I don't know, guys. he's going to do it. I had one more question, Tim, because you mentioned this prior to us even coming down here when I was kind of building the dock and asking questions.

But you mentioned that Carnival and Chicago are not in four. Yes. So, yeah, we have two levels missing from what was originally in Tony Hawk's Four. Carnival, which was a bonus level in four, kind of regarded as one of the worst core, never soft Tony Hawk levels ever. So I'm not really sad that it's gone. No, it always felt undercooked And it was a bonus level So like a little weird

It's not here, but just for sheer completionism But like whatever And then Chicago was Matt Hoffman 2 level Because it was done There's like fucking it's here It almost felt like a tease of like There's other extreme sports games Yeah, you know

The universe is expanding Yeah They had a demo for like some snowboarding game On three I remember playing I forget which snowboarding game was I forget the guy's name Was Sean White? I don't think it was

10 is it's it was after a person no i feel like that was before son white got it it was funny after a while looking back at these extreme sports games because they they just put the athletes name in the same oval that tony hawk's name was in act as you know two yeah yeah they were do yeah it reminds you like nine eight nine sports were like you know they had all their sort of brands tony haw four had kelly slaters pro surfers oh shit yep and then oh tony hawk three had some motherfuggers pro wakeboarding No way. Swear to God.

Wait, Sean Palmer, I think is the guy. Sean Palmer. Sean Palmer. For the snowboarding game. There's a Sean White. Like,

having two snowboarding legends both named Sean with a you is kind of... Can't do that. It's kind of wild that happened twice. Yeah. They both got video games. That's one of those, like one of us is going to have to change our dressing. Yeah.

That's crazy. I do have one more question of what's next? Because I don't want this to be the end for Tony Hawk games. That is an excellent question. Look, there's a lot to be seen, right? Obviously, this franchise has had a tumultuous history, and I don't need to get into too many of the details here,

but there was the classic games, it got annualized, it overstated its welcome, then it kind of came back, it got gimmicky, there was the ride and shred where you're actually standing on the board, and like, you know, the franchise lost itself.

Yeah. Then they started putting out Tony Hopsprose skater HD, and then there's Tony Hopsrotspestrots, straight up cash grabs, horrible games. Robomoto was in charge of those. Like, that was straight up bad times to be a Tony Hawk fan

and it felt like there was no recovering. This is peak. This is as good as it's going to possibly get. So the question here is, is it possible for a new Tony Hawk to come out? And I think the answer absolutely is yes. The fact that this is on so many different systems. I think people are going to love this game.

It's on Game Pass. I think this is going to do incredibly well. One and two did incredibly well. So I think that the chances of a new Tony Hawk are very high. The fact that this features three brand new levels and they're as good as they are, I think is very important to looking at the future of these games. I would not be surprised if we don't get the Thug 1 and 2

or even just Thug 1 remake and instead they make a new Tony Hawk's Pro Skater. But also, if they take on the challenge of a Thug remake, I think they'd pull it off. Like I have full faith in Iron Galaxy based on what they did here specifically with the pinball, water park, and movie studio, which are the three new levels that are awesome. of our now are those secret levels are two of them in three and one of them is in four no so what's what's interesting is those they're not secret levels they're just levels pinball i guess is the only secret

level um and even that has goals but um they're they're set as tony hawk four levels okay um all three of them and uh a couple weird things um kona which was a full level with goals in tony hoc four that's a recreation of an actual skate park in hawaii which just super cool, but it also is a lot of people's one of their less favorite levels because it's so real and accurate to the real life location that it just like doesn't allow for like fun combos and stuff. So they turned that into a tournament level instead of a get the goals level. And they did the same to Zoo, which is kind of a letdown. And then movie studio is a tournament as well. Waterpark and pinball get full on all the different goals and the pro goals as well.

Very cool. Well, that's going to do it for us, everybody. I had a good time talking Hawk with y'all. Talking Hawk, everyone. I hope you all enjoy Tony Hawk when it comes out tomorrow for early access, and then the 11th for everybody else. And this game is available freaking everywhere. Freaking everywhere, man.

Cross play, which is cool. I think it's going to have a much more vibrant online community than one and two had because of that. No cross progression, which is a bummer. I wish they to figure that out. Well, I'm rooting for you and bless is Steam Cloud tapes to get rocking. Yeah, I think so. That'll be That'll be nice. Because this game's really, really pretty.

I was like, kind of blown away by some of the visuals in some spots with lighting and everything. That's going to do it for us here on the Gamescast. Everybody, up next we have Jurassic World Rebirth in review, followed by Dune Awakening with me and Nick. We'll see you all next time. Take care of yourself. Take care of each other. Goodbye, gamers.