Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Top 25 Most Iconic Nintendo Games - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 5

Episode Date: February 6, 2020

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What's up guys? Welcome to the Kind of Funny Gamescast. I'm Tim Geddes joined by the best hair in the business friend, Marabella the 3rd. Rotated my seat. I love it. Yeah, it's good. It's nice. The former and former Imron Khan. I'm in the same seat as always.

I feel like you haven't been here for a while. We haven't at least seen each other. Yeah, last week I wasn't here. There's like, it's time talking to myself right now. Oh, you heard that echo from the time. I thought Barrett was like watching Netflix. Oh, yeah, I was very confused. I was like, let's start a conversation going on the back.

Anyway, I feel like I haven't done a show with you in a while. Yeah, I was not here last week with the Xbox one. Yeah, yeah, it was a good show. Good show. Ryan McCaffrey. Yeah. Dude, that was... That's good stuff right there.

I felt like I couldn't really say anything because it's like, Ryan McCaffrey, you're Ryan McCaffrey in the Xbox side. Yeah, like, the Xbox man. That's not... The Xbox Man, that's what they call him. Yeah, yeah. And then you have like, Raynarviz, who's like, also like, oh, you're like, the Achievement Hunter.

I'm sitting here. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like here. I have an Xbox one. Who are you? You are blessing at Ayoia Jr. Yes, I am. What's up, guys? The new face of video games. The new face.

How are you all doing? Chill. Good, man. I'm ready to yell about some video games. I love how nervous Fran is. Fran is like literally just like... We're going over so many Nintendo games. Oh yeah, man, we are.

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The twist being, so we're also going to do the most iconic portable Nintendo games coming up. And because there's so many Nintendo consoles, we're going to move the switch into count as one of the portable ones. Because the show would last first. ever. Yeah. But before we get into the topics themselves, I want to go around the table like we did last week. What is our history with Nintendo?

Blessing, let's start with you. So my first console ever was actually the N64, which I guess will date me, you know, because I was born in 94. And so N64, I feel like, I feel like if I know any console, like, around and back, like inside out, it'll be the N64. That's kind of my jam. I love those games. Didn't own a GameCube.

did own a Wii. Owned an NES because my older sisters really loved Mario 3. And so I hadn't had an NES like during the S64 generation. And so like I have like a weird knowledge of that. Played a lot of Super Nintendo games. Might have emulated some, you know,

like because I didn't actually own own the console and had a, had friends that had Super Nintendo. So I have like a pretty good familiarity with Super Nintendo and then didn't have a Wii U. So like about half of the Nintendo consoles I feel like I feel very good about and then of course like Nintendo I feel like has a good reputation as far as even from being being on the outside looking in if we're talking about game cube I can tell you a lot about GameCube games you know you're not experiencing them first hand

and so like I I really enjoyed Nintendo I've I think I've described myself as a Nintendo fanboy before like I'm I'm like somewhere in the middle of like well today I'm like a PlayStation fanboy right Well, like, if I'm talking about, like, nostalgia and heritage and all this stuff, right? I'm, like, right in the middle of Nintendo and PlayStation. That's kind of my jam. The United. The Uniter, yes. Imran, what about you?

Let's see. I was, God. When Buzzings at his first console was the end of course before. That was the first console I paid for. Wow. But I was born to 85, which I think I had a NES when at the time I was three. Remember my parents brought home with Metal Gear and Ninja Turtles, which is a god-awful game. Yeah.

Like one of the worst games I ever played. It's classic, but I got the shredder once in my entire life. Wow. I've never been able to repeat it, even on emulators as an adult. I've never been able to get that far in the game. Real hard. Bullshit hard. Yes, I got an S&ES at some point.

I think the launch, or not launch game I got it with, but the game I got it with the Mario Kart. Uh, bought an NC4 at launch, bought a GameCube at launch, bought a Wii at launch, bought a Wii at launch. I was one of those five people at my best buy you pre-order one. Uh, Switch at launch. bought not every handheld at launch, but I do own every handheld.

I have a long history with Nintendo stuff. Like, I guess if you had to align me with some company, I like them all, but I guess I'm more familiar with Nintendo and probably the one I'm most willing to give the benefit than doubt too, and also the one I complain the most about. Yeah, yeah, you love it. Fran, what about you? What's your history with Nintendo? Where do I start? Probably should start with

I'm the guy that gave Mario Kart double dash 7.9. Just in case. You monster. You forgot about the truth that lies before you. Every day you wake up and you see it. But anyway, I have it out in front of my bed. I haven't bookmarked as usual. It's my homepage.

Oh, and you're burning in your retinas because people are angry. Anyway. Like karate kid like that thing. But yeah, I have pretty much owned every Nintendo console. I have. The NES was the one that came a little later. Not much. It just had to like twist my parents' arms to get me one

after the neighbors had already gotten them. So anyway, NES, S&ES, you name it, have owned them all, had a ton of games, borrowed games from friends, rented games. Remember that, kids? I loved running games. And then I got a job as a Nintendo editor, and I quit college to write about the GameCube, and then start doing video about GameCube, and then we started the video team. Interestingly, I would point out, too, actually right around that mid-2000s is when it was

harder to keep up with stuff on Nintendo because I was doing a ton of video stuff for IGN. But, I mean, I've just been here since NES. I mean, I would say that, no exaggeration, you are probably one of the most iconic Nintendo media people of all time. Yeah, that's why I'm super nervous for the show. I forgot everything. You've been out of it for a while, but it's like, you know, you were there, like, you were talking about the video stuff and all that, but like GameCube and all that. You were there when podcasts were first beginning to be a thing. Yeah.

You know, the, like, classic IGN Nintendo podcast moments. Yeah, probably some of the first let's plays, even where it was like recording off-screen footage E3 while playing, you know, maybe talking. talking, et cetera. It's cool. It's cool having you and having Ryan last week because Ryan, Ryan has been the Xbox guy

covering every Xbox console as it went on. Yeah, I'd say, it's funny, I probably had been in the game, you know, earlier than most Nintendo people still in the industry,

but obviously, Parr Schneider and probably him above all. Yeah, it's been the industry longer than anyone for Nintendo. So I obviously hate Nintendo.

Yeah, you're not known at all. You know, no, I, every, I've owned every single Nintendo console, my first console

ever was a Super Nintendo that was my own console. My dad had a Commodore 64. But I grew up with that, loved it. Kevin's sister had an NES, so I'd go over and play that all the time. I was lucky enough where being born in 1989 that by the time I really cared about video games,

like being five or six or whatever, the NES was dirt cheap and you can find it at a garage sale. For $14, I got an NES in 28 games. Holy! And it was just like, are you kidding me? That was just the greatest come up of all time. I actually didn't get an N64 until later because I was young and like my parents didn't have money. So it wasn't like even though I wanted it, it just wasn't going to happen.

And I had my Super Nintendo. I had Yoshi's Island. It was fine. Like I didn't need Mario 64 quite yet. Do you remember how late you got the system? I didn't get the N64 until 98 or 9. Yeah, like after. Yeah.

Like definitely after everything was kind of out on it. And then I got to go back and play the stuff. GameCube was day one. GameCube was the first console I ever got. on launch day. Yeah. Yeah, it was fantastic. Well, we didn't launch games,

can I see. What's up? Well, we didn't launch games. So my launch games for Nintendo GameCube, I've told the story before, or none. I had to wait 12 days to get Smash Brothers Melee.

Because they delayed it a little bit. It was December 3rd that came out, and the console came out November 18th or 15th. I forget which one's Xbox and which was in GameCube. But, yeah, I actually didn't have a launch title. I just had the system. But I wanted to make sure I had it for Smash Brothers. So, yeah, then I went from there.

And then we waited in line for 16 hours to get with Kevin, sleeping in the cold of coma on the streets. Oh, actually, I was at the launch party. I didn't wait in the corner. But I was at the launch day. I want to make that clear. You earned it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then the Wii U as well. I was somebody that pre-ordered because I didn't believe in it, but I believed in Nintendo. And here we are. Here we are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes it pays off. So let's start it off right.

Top five most iconic N-E-S games. What does iconic mean? You're right. You're right. You're right. Bless, bless you. We did this last week. And friend, you weren't here.

And everyone, you weren't here. So to reiterate, iconic, we're talking famously and distinctively representing something. Instantly identifiable in relation to Nintendo. Okay. Not necessarily about quality or sales, but they do factor in. You know? So it's not. necessarily like, oh, well, we'll just look

at the top selling games, that's the list. It's not necessarily because there are other factors that go into it. What are you think of this console? We think of this game. Yes, and quality doesn't necessarily go into it. It doesn't mean these are the best games, it just means that are games that people associate with it. Yeah, like that one a lot. That's a good one. It doesn't need to be exclusive to, but it does need to be tied to. So, it needs to have, you know, some

thought process, ownership of the console. Yeah, like this is a GameCube game. Some good criteria. When did this happen? Because I'm trying to prepare for you, Frank. Oh, no, no, man. It's like, you read my mind. I love all this. And now, now the last thing is,

it's not necessarily limited to one per franchise. So some are going to have some more iconic games than others. Like on the Xbox conversation, the first original Xbox had, I believe, Halo 1 and Halo 2. You can make the argument for both. Yeah, it's good you brought that up because that happens a lot on list. Sometimes people say you can only choose one, which changes everything. We're talking most iconic, so there we go.

It's good. Let's start, man. N-E-S. Let's start with the most obvious one. Super Mario Bros. Franchise. Which ones do we think make it no matter what? 3-100%.

Yeah. 3-100%. One, I think, is the most iconic version. Like, I never see Mario paraphernalia without Mario One stuff on it. Totally. Yeah. Like the Mario One Sprites.

Like, my wallet is Mario One's stuff. Yeah, yeah. Wallet. Yeah. But Mario 3 is great. I think it's a much better game for sure. Yeah, I boarded out three because it was just so huge, but I would

if I had to choose ranking already, I'd go one is more iconic, but see, I should be on the list. Starting the list here, I think both are on the list. Yeah. At least for sake of conversation. So I'm going to put them both down. You see we're doing five? Yes. We'll start by like adding all the ones that we think should be on the list and then we'll call it down.

Okay, so we start with this. There was an NDAS classic a couple years ago. Yeah. Should we just go where the games are on that thing? Sure. So NES classic had balloon fight, Bubble Bobble, Castlevania, Kassavina, 3. Donkey Kong, Icon Jr., Double Dragon 2. Stop there. Of those, do you think any...

Donkey Kong. ...make the list. I think Castlevania. Donkey Kong. On the N.S? I would associate more than Arcade. Yeah. It's a part of Nintendo history, for sure.

But back then... See, it's easy to forget, but I... I mean, I don't know what it's sold on Ness. I had to assume a lot. Yeah, but my thing is nobody thinks Donkey Kong and thinks about the Nintendo. They think about arcade. See, here's where I would argue, you know more

than the average person, Tim. And they just know Donkey Kong, and absolutely the arcade was the one to solidify it, but a lot of people, I think, think it was an N-E-S thing. All right, I'll put it down just for you, but it's not going to make the last. I'll put it in my two cents.

And when I think, like, OG Donkey Kong games on the early consoles, the earliest console I think of it is the Super Nintendo. Yeah, I don't think back to them. Well, Doggong Country, yeah. For sure. No, I'm just saying, I'm arguing against friends. It's an interesting one, though,

because it's just so huge, but anyway. So, Castlevania, though. Yes. Is there a specific one? I would say Castlevania 1 is more iconic than the other ones. Again, 3 is a better game. Mm-hmm. But one I think is the people associate more with Nintendo.

I agree. It's funny because me personally, Simon's Quest was the one that, like, totally. It sucks ass. It doesn't matter. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think Castlevania 2 has that like. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

So in, I just say personally. In the similar vein of the Donkey Kong conversation, Mario Brothers. Yeah. Original versus? I mean, it shipped. It shipped with the system. I don't think it's iconic. Yeah.

Because I'm with that, too. I think both Donkey Kong and Mario Brothers are arcade games. I think the irony of that actually is it shipped as a combo, you know, cart to N.S. Sorry, Mario Brothers and then Duck Hunt, right? No, wasn't that Super Mario Brothers? It was original Mario Brothers. Maybe they did both. All right, now I'm going to have to look this up.

It was Super Mario Brothers and Duck Hunt. Regardless, I was going to make the joke that I think Duck Hunt might be. Which Duck Hunt is actually, I didn't think about that. Because of the gun. It has to be. I mean, when we're saying has to you, there's a lot. Because I'm saying, No, they're going to have a list like 20 games.

But first Castlevania, I would agree. Dr. Mario, Excite Bike, Final Fantasy, 3, Gallagher, Ghost and Goblin, Gradius, Ice Climmer, Kid Icarus, Kirby's Adventure, the Legend of Zelda. Yes. Legend of Zelda. That's on there, for sure, 100%.

I also kind of want to, I'm leaning towards Kirby's Adventure. Like, maybe that's a final list, but that is a... I mean, I think it's iconic. It's a defining... Well, if we're narrowing down to five, Y'all gonna just breeze past excite bike, too?

I mean, I think... If we're narrowing down to five, I'm gonna breeze past it. Don't worry about the five yet. We had a couple of years. I think of side bites in the conversation. Juicy list for starters, right? Ghost and Goblin to hear about it. I don't associate with the NES. No.

Like, I did personally. He was getting to it. It was later in the last. Got it, got it, got it. But we can... Yes, Metro. Zelda we're all agreed on, right? Absolutely.

Oh, yeah. Mario Weather is Mega Man 2. Yes, Mega Man 2. Oh, man. A thousand percent. Metrolight. NES. tournament golf. You got my trade right.

Ninja guidance. Pac-Man. Punch out. Potential. Punch out, I'll put down. And punch out. For a conversation. Absolutely. Rivers City Ransom. He's Key. I didn't, I said Ninja Guiden. You're not going to put Ninja Guyton down? You know what? Actually, too be fair. I'm sorry. I'm going to apologize.

I'm getting very nostalgic. And it's mostly five iconic games and I don't think people think of Ninja Guide when they think it. Honestly, I think they do. I think they do. But five now it'll never make. That's my thing is I'm like, dude. I feel like this list is easy. So I think what is passed, the Smashwether's test. If you put the character in Smashwether's,

but then remember it from that NES game. That's a really good test. That makes a lot of sense. Is there anything more here? Yeah. Solomon's Key, Star Trek, Super Contra. So Contra 1, I think. Yeah, I was going to say the first Contra, absolutely.

See, Mario Weather's, Mario Brothers 2, Mario Writers 3. 2 and 3 should all be in the conversation. D.R. Kung Fu and Zelda 2. There we go. There we go. So there's like three, maybe four that I feel like are for sure on there. Which are?

Zelda. Mario 1 and 3. Or maybe one of those. It depends on what this conversation is. But one of the Mario's at the very least. And then, actually, I was going to say Metroid, but maybe we reserved that for Super Metroid.

I mean, so that's my thing is, two different consoles. But that's two different consoles. Also, it's not all that influential. That's the thing, is that I feel like there's some of these, like Kirby's adventure is a perfect example. When you think Kirby, it's like,

what is even the most iconic Kirby game? Superstar. right yeah I didn't get into Kirby more until yeah super adventure was the one that like really made Kirby the like the gameplay style it is of sucking up animation their powers

and like heavy aid normal platform on an NES it's not a bad it's also so late of an NES I had two others it was a really late game we skipped two big ones for me personally and that I do think are iconic because like depends on what you bought the system for

but Dragon Warrior and Bionic Commando I love Bionic Commando Bionic Commando was super iconic. Now again is it going to make a list against Nintendo games on the Nintendo platform? But it's worth putting on our big list to start. So we're going to

say, let him into Zelda 1 for sure. 100%. Zelda 2 I think is a debatable thing, but I don't yeah. I don't think that makes it. I actually really like that game, which is not... Yeah, it's not iconic. Zelda was a gold card. It has to make the list. So, let's... Mega Man 2.

has to make the list. I'm with you on the, yeah, like, I don't think it's the best Mega Man game, but like, it's iconic one for sure. The music, everything about two is like, that's what people think. Yeah, I feel like Mega Man got it people talking, but then by the time two came out,

everybody had to have it, and everybody did have it. So I would absolutely put it in the running for top five. I think Punch Out is, yeah? It needs a spot in the top five. Like, if it's iconic, it is a game people think about with A&S.

Yes. How many spots is that then? Because we're like seven already. It's fine. Yeah, we're going to go down We're going to go down and we're going to do the vote of like I agree with him on Punch Out To kind of like call it a little bit

We're going to go around and say does it have to be on the list Mario Brothers 3? Yes Yes Mario Brothers 1 Yes Donkey Kong No No

Yeah you're right Castlevania Yes I don't know I think it does I don't know about it I mean we're out here talking Punchout versus Castlevania

There's enough people saying yes to like to get it in the running sure so duck hunt yes yeah in the conversation with we're talking about every one member it's not the best game oh I know I'm I'm thinking iconic and not say it's the top five most iconic right now okay so we're not we're not saying like this this game is going to hang in the top five we're just saying like oh yeah this is one of the most iconic this is for sure going to be in the last round okay sure then duck hunt yeah Kirby's adventure I don't think so no yeah I can see you I mean not do.

Excite bike. What's the list again so far that we said yes? Mario 3, Mario Bros., Castlevania, Duck Hunt, Legends of Zelda. Mega Man 2 as well. And Mega Man 2. Which is how many? And Punch out. Yeah, I don't think it's...

We're already close to 10. It's fine. That's fine. That's good so far. I just think that Excite bike doesn't hang with... That's good point. Excite bite is iconic, but not on that level. I feel like that's tier 2.

Like if Duck Hunt we're saying is like tier 1 with these other games, I'm going to put Excite Bike. He's like Mandy Moore. The other ones are like Britney Spears. Do we say Metal Gear? Yeah, I feel like that's a retroactive thing. It was, yeah. It's not iconic to it.

It's hard to be to be to judge because it was like one of my first games. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that'd be like me arguing for Byron Commando over Metal Gear, right? Like, I'm not, you know, your point is valid. Like Dragon Warrior, for me, is so iconic to that platform. No, I would find you.

But if I look at the landscape of everybody, it won't make the list. What I want to add? Paperboy. Oh. That's a good one. Because it's another one. That although it was an arcade game, I tie it to N. I think it's absolutely iconic.

I think that's like a tiered like iconic. Because I think I'll put Paperboy in the excite bike tier. Yeah. But see, I think more people you can play Paperboy. I think so, too. And more people associate Paperboy with N. Paperboy was in movies. It was like a actual...

Get out of here with your Paperboy. Let's move on. You're not going to have Donkey Kong. You're going to argue for Paperboy. Paperboy beats Donkey Kong. It's not iconic. That's a personal thing. Being tied to NES?

100%. 100%. Donkey Kong's arcade. Donkey Kong, better game. Donkey Kong overall, more iconic game in the whole conversation of video games as a whole. I just think more iconic NES game. I'm going...

Iconic, instantly identifiable in relation to. Donkey Kong NES? No way. I just personally don't think people are as informed as you think they are, but I get your point. So, uh, Metroid. Yeah, I mean... I think Blisking's idea of saving a Metroid makes more sense.

Me too. Yeah. Not just to save it. It's just, I don't think. relevant, yes. Yeah. Well, neither, but my thing is,

up against these other ones. I think it is relevant because it's like, we don't, we, we were like, we definitely associate Super Metroid with Super Nintendo. Yeah. Do we associate Metro with Nintendo?

Yeah. In that way? Yeah. I think it's, like, that's what I think of that game. And I, and I feel like that wasn't,

like, that was definitely a moment of like, oh yeah, Metroid is awesome, but I don't think that was the moment that solidified Metroid is like, no, was the greatest video game franchise.

It was four, oh, come on. Four NES, Metroid is a monster game that tons of people associate with the NES. Like, I think if you challenge people, name, like, 15 NES games. They will name METROITs. I think if you challenge somebody. I think if you challenge people to name five NES games, I think Metroid is going to be one of them.

But I also think that's that might be because it's still relevant. Yeah, that's because Metro is still relevant. It gets the space. But, Tim, to finish the point, it's like, even I wouldn't argue it over, like, Punchout and Duckcom for iconic. Yeah. Yeah. So, well, maybe punch up. Ninja Guy.

It's not going to make the list for the other. It's iconic It's iconic. I just think that when you start thinking about like the third party games, like that level, Mega Man 2 is so much more iconic than it, that it's like, oh shit, okay, well, we're talking about, if we're talking about Mega Man levels, Ninja Guy, that doesn't, I don't think hits that. Totally agree. Compared to like even to Contra. I think Contra's more iconic than Ninja Guyton.

Yeah. I can see it. Totally. I'm going to take it. 100% agree with it. Ninja guidance off. So Contra. Contra is definitely iconic for NES.

Dragon Warrior? I feel like Dragon Warrior and Final Fantasy Both of them are like obviously beloved games on the NES I don't think that they're like From a very Western perspective I don't think we... Yeah But on the other hand like Dragon Warrior was the game

Nintendo Power gave away for free So a lot of people know it Just... Good thing on the criteria we didn't talk about Obviously we're talking global, right? It's assumed Like we're not saying Oh everybody in Japan would put Dragon Warrior on the list Like that doesn't matter

You know it's global. Honestly if we're talking global or Dragon Warrior 3 makes more sense. Dragon Quest 3. But the fact that like... And not icon of those... You know what I mean? It's like... That's the game where the rumor started about you can't release these games on weekdays

because people would just leave their jobs in school. Like that's... It's true, yeah. I mean, that happened into like the 2000s with that game. There's like Yaku's a side quest about that game. Dragon Warrior Sick Day, you know? Yeah, like Kid Icarus, I would say,

is more iconic to a global mindset than probably Dragon Warrior. No? Just me? I don't know. No. Kid I'm, again, retroactive. God, I can't honestly. I think that Smash Brothers made it.

It was not, oh, it was not at all. But I see that perspective as like newer Nintendo fans, et cetera. But I couldn't unhook Kit Icarus from the N-A-S in my mind. But that, probably very personal. It's definitely connected. It's just, I don't know, but as I call it, the other ones. Did we say ice climbers? We said it in the classic.

No one likes ice climbers. There's nothing about that game. That is a Smash one for sure. I'm with you. I'm with only Smash. Yeah. Keeping that thing. It's weird too, right?

Because, like, you know, again, I have a different perspective. It's me sitting in the room and classrooms with my friends playing these games, us giving each other. You take Kid Icarus. I'll take Metroid, whatever. And, like, that's, again, my perspective is a little different than, I think, what other people are. By on a Commando and Paperboy, the last two. I feel like both don't make the list. They're both great games.

I feel like there might be a conversation for Paperboy. I mean... I think there is a conversation for Paperboy. I think Paperboy has that thing about it that, like, It's not even just about sales numbers. It's about the amount of hands that cartridge touched. Like, I feel like the resale of it, the, like, the pass-along of Paperboy. Everyone had Paperboy.

Like, everyone had a copy of Paperboy. I know the tune of Paperboy in my head. And, like, I feel like for a lot of other these games, like, I couldn't, hmm. Actually, I guess I could with, like, Metroid and Zelda tell you the tune immediately. But still, Paperboy, I feel like sticks with people. All right. Well, key Paperboy. I'm going to throw two out there, and just this might be a thing that, like, no one else gets.

but NES baseball and NES Open hockey. Okay, I was thinking about a baseball game. That's good call. The sports stuff. I can't remember which one I played. But I was like, there was definitely an iconic baseball game on NES.

Yeah. And hockey is the one that I remember, like it had the Mario Sprites kind of thing. Yeah. I feel like with all those sports games, it's like we can be like, oh yeah, the sports games are iconic, but we don't know the names.

Yeah, that's the thing, too. It was just ice hockey, I think, right? So by Anna Commando, I'm going to take off. Everyone okay with that? Yeah, I'm fine with it. All right. So we have. We have 10.

We have 10 currently. So we needed to decide what are the five most iconic of these 10? We can separate Zelda immediately and be like, okay, this is for sure on there. Well, let's just hear the 10 again. So Mario 3, Mario 1, Castlevania, Duck Hunt, Legend of Zelda, Metroid, Mega Man 2, Punch Out, Contra, Paperboy. Which ones don't fit on this list? I think... Paperboy.

Yeah. And Punch Out. And Punch Out so iconic to me. It's hard for me But like I just don't Like punch out is not as iconic as Mega Man too They're used to a bar in town called Soda Papinsky's Tim I think it's easier to do the musts again

Don't you think of those 10? Yeah I feel like it's easier to separate the must have I mean because I think must have Because we're gonna only have like one space I bet I think it'll be easier to like figure out what's You know what I mean? Okay cool I bet you we'll all agree on like four So legend Zelda is a for sure

Yes Right yes Super Mario Brothers is a for sure The first one yes Mario 3, I really think is it for sure I think so too Even over these other ones I would put them over the other ones

The yellow box Like just the look of it Like how big and sprawling that game is Like let's put a pin in it as we go to the other ones Because if it's like two Mario games Versus like kicking something other Doesn't matter I think it's that iconic

Like I feel like these Mario games Are Mario 2 is fantastic It's not on the list They're distinct enough And notable enough To where I could easily I could easily see them taking two spots on the list for being two separate, different enough games that are both

special in their own way, that mean their own individual things. It's like the end of the life cycle almost, right? We're looking at six consoles, and I think each of those are going to have like two Mario games on it. That's just that way. I mean, I don't think I don't think it'll be like this, though. Like, when we get to Wii, I don't think Galaxy 1 and 2 are going to be on the list. No.

Like, both of them are going to be on list? No, they're not. There's so many other. Can't be on the list. Let's just, we know this one's got an asteris, but what I heard was three people were like, heck yes and everyone's like which to me is like sure let's keep going on see if there's ones that we all agree

have to be on it and that then they'll already to three so we're at two we're at Mario 1 and Legend of Zelda Yep that sounds good Duck Hunt I think Duck Hunt is more than Forget the rest of the list Pretty much any of these other games besides Mario 3

Yeah I'll agree on Duck Hunt honestly like Is this a working doc team? No it's just don't worry about it I'm trying to remember all that And as a reminder, someone in the chat brought this up, and I totally forgot about it. Like, Mario and Duck Hunt were packaged together at one point. Yeah. And, like, if that was, like, I feel like that was a big thing, especially in U.S.

Like, I remember an age thing for sure. Were they ever packaged separately? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I only remember them packaged together. The gun was super iconic as well. Exactly.

Yeah. It is super. So, now, I feel like this is starting to make it a little bit easier. When you're looking at Mario 1, Duck Hunt Legend of Zelda, like, that is like a top-tier level of like instantly identifiable shit that like what are these other games hit that like Castlevania is is I think a strong contender but it's not a slam dunk yeah Metroid is the same thing Mega Man 2 I think is on that list I think about Castlevania is a fight I'm having in my head right now I think Mega Man for sure I'd put Mega Man deaf and I think Mario 3

I think Mega Man's on the list yeah I'm not mad about either the choices that are both like two my favorite games of all time Castlevania Castlevania and Mega Man so here's where we're at we have Mario 1 Duck Hunt, Legend of Zelda, and Mega Man 2. So do we agree that, like, yes. Yes. Yeah, that was the top five, I'd be super happy with it. We have one left. That one spot goes to Mario 3, Castlevania, Metroid, Punch Out, Contra, or Paperboy.

We're going to do this like a vote. It's between Mario 3 and Punch Out. Put out the one that you think it is. It's between Mario 3 for me, but it's between that and Punch Out. Punch out. Yeah, it's Mario 3. Absolutely. All right. So then, ladies and gentlemen, the time.

Top five most iconic NES games are Mario 3, Mario 1, Duck Hunt, Legend of Zelda, and Mega Man 2. What if we did something controversial? Take off Mega Man 2, put on Punch Out. Anybody with me? Am I the only one here? Honestly? I think you're the only one. I think it's a fair case to me.

I like Mega Man 2 more. There's a reason why there's like, you know, 20 Mega Man's and a few punchouts. I mean, fair. I think that's great. I mean, that's not fair. You can't really do a whole lot with that phone. If you want to make the case that Mega Man, better game the Punch Out, 100%. I'm with you.

I agree. But more iconic NES game between Mega Man and Punch Out. Mega Man had multiple cartoons. Yeah, Punch Out, I guess, didn't have a cartoon. It's a really tough. Because it was about a refix. Wait, I thought he was in. We're not talking about Mike Tyson's punchout.

Whatever. Whatever. What's is they? Mr. Miracle? Mr. Incredible? Mr. Dream. Mr. Dream. Mr. Dream.

Oh, God. I love it. Super Nintendo, ladies and gentlemen. Moving on. I feel... Super Metroid. We're already done with that one. Yeah.

Mario World. My favorite... Link to the past. Super Mario World. Could I hold the classic list? Link to the past. I mean, I feel like those three are locked right. Yeah, there you go.

Those three are locked. Two spots left. Yeah. Super Mario World, Super Metroid. Street fighters two turbo. Yep. Yeah. Huge.

And then DogCon Country. We got it. We're done. Dang. It's amazing how much... Which DonCon Country is better. Here's the thing. There's a thing.

We're not done. There's a lot that goes in here. Those excellent picks. But Final Fantasy 6. Chrono Trigger. You gotta say six. Like he's, you know. Which is the better version of course?

Yeah, I know what I was talking about. Which version is the more preferable version of Chrone and Trigger between S&S and PlayStation? Between those two, S&ES? Yeah, Super Nintendo all the way. D.S. It shouldn't matter for this list. One to play now. Okay.

I mean, two is huge for me. Was Contra 3, Donkey Out Country, Earthbound, F0. Final Fantasy 6. Fire emblem, mystery of the emblem, Kirby Superstar, Kirby DreamCourse. Super Mario Kart and Star Fox, like, that's hard to go past. Star Fox on S&ES. Oh no, that was huge. I mean huge, but... Go for it.

Kirby Dream Corps, Legend of Mystical Ninja, Legend of Zelda, a link to the past. You got that all right. Mega Man X. Oh, fuck, dude. Yeah, it won't, it won't top off. No. So far, none of these games we named are of the tier of those four that we have. That's what I was saying.

I would put Mega Man X that tier. Really? Mario card off the list. Come on. Debateably. What? What? Get out. Yeah.

These are not the quality. Can't become transcendent until 64. Are you crazy? I don't want to sound crazy by saying it. No, dude. I'm before you're going to become iconic. Of course you are because of your age range, which is fine. Nothing wrong with it.

We're talking most iconic though, Frank. Not just good games that everyone loved. We all loved all of these games. I can't believe you all arguing against Super Mario. And it's not an age thing because I grew up with the Super Nintendo for years before I got an N64. So. All right. Panel Day Pond. Secret of Mana.

Star Fox. Star Fox, StarFox 2. Street Fighter 2 Turbo. 100%. Super Castlevania 4. Super Goals and Ghost. Super Mario Kart. Super Mario RPG. Super Mario World. Super Metroid. Super Punchout. Super Soccer. Super Shooter 2.

Yoshi's Motherfucking Island. Yoshi's Motherfucking Island is one of the best games of all time. I agree with you. It is the first game ever beat. It is probably my top three. games of all time. Is it the most iconic? No. If this was a top 15,

there is no other game in the world that looks like that. So when I think you look at that, you know that it's an absolutely for sure. But I can't argue it. We already have Super Metroid, Super Mario World link to the past. Yosh's Island's not on that level. Right?

No. And I think that of the rest of the games, there are other games that are on that level. Yeah, did we have, we had more of that Donkey Kong country on there already, right? Donkey Kong Country, I think, is on that level. Which one, though?

Huge. It's about iconic, so the first one. Yeah, I feel like it has to be one for iconic, not best. Best is two, undeniably. I can dig it. I can do with that. But when you think Superintet, you think Donkey Kong, like Donkey Kong, you see the first level of one in your head. Yeah, that's true.

Let me throw this thing. It's funny, I mean, sorry, Street Fighter 2 was huge. Again, it's a weird one because it was like an arcade thing, but like it was our access to it. But the thing with the arcade, and the difference between the Mario Brothers thing, where Mario Brothers is, oh, that's arcade. Street Fighter 2 is like That's an arcane game and it's a Super Nintendo game Like people associate it so strongly with both NBA Jam as well

Super Barman too See I don't think there's So far I've not heard of a game Yeah the multi-tapped game the probably best multiplayer game On the entire system I feel like I would associate it more with Oh dude yeah Balman or?

No too I'm just saying I feel like I associate Barman with the Saturn more than Super Nintendo 8 player with the weird kangaroo shit now the S and the S game. I mean, Super Balmer Man was a good, it is Super Balmer Man, right? It was, I mean, it's noteworthy.

It's noteworthy as NBA Jam was. That game was like... So, okay, we're going to do this again. We have the two spots left. Which of these games, and we'll just, we'll bold the ones that we think that are arguably on the same level as Super Metroid,

Super Mario World, and Link to the Past. Street Fighter 2 Turbo. Yes, 100%. I would put Super Street Drive 2. Super Street Drive 2 hyperfighting. I said that an Ashesis in that versus Again, iconically there's so many other, well, let's keep going.

Yeah, just the thing is, do you think that there's a chance that really belongs on a list? I'm going to say yes. A chance, absolutely. Donkey Kong country. Yes, 100%. Yep. Final Fantasy, 3 or 6. Yes. Or 2 even.

And Chrome trigger. Yes. Super Mario Kart. I say no. I say no. You guys are crazy. It's iconic, sure. but I don't it's not going to hang the top five but let's go in saying I wouldn't put Super Mario Kart along the ranks of a ranking Mario World and Link to the Past and Mortal Kombat too oh that's the Genesis game man that the no two was

two was the big one where it was like oh actually the S&S for Virgin's better I mean I think you're crazy for the first Mario Kart ever and a ton of people were all over that You can argue that it's more iconic, though, than let's say Chrono Shrater. Then Street Fighter? I'll say Street Fighter even. Really? Yes. I was a huge Street Fighter fan.

I was just like, I don't know that I would associate Street Fighter 2 Turbo because that's a quality and a time hours played thing. It's, you know, what I'd say is different. I played so much of it. But, like, iconically, asking all those Nintendo fans, like what they remember on SNS and what they would say was iconic, I don't know. Superbaric card's huge. I don't know why you guys don't feel that way. It's weird to me. I mean, I think it's huge, for sure.

It's huge. It doesn't even hit nearly to the level that Mario Card 64 did for its system. Yeah, but it's irrelevant to that. You just keep bringing up these. I'll be honest. This is where we're getting into criteria. You're like, that's Genesis. What does that have to do with this list?

There's nothing. Unless it's iconic. Instantly identifiable in relation to. If you see a game and I think, oh, Genesis, instead of Super Nintendo, that defeats the purpose. Yeah, but I feel like you're deep in your criteria there. I do get your point, but meaning Sonic, duh, yes, I know why you're talking about Genesis, but when you're talking about like, well, Mortal Kombat had blood and Genesis.

But, friend, it's the same thing as like, Call of Duty modern warfare. What do you associate that with? 360 or PlayStation 3? Yeah, 360. That's the point on me. It's like there's, you know, there's games that you do associate with one console or another, even if it's not exclusive. I know.

I know what's your point. I'm just, I'm thinking more about the system as a whole again, and I just, anyway. I feel even removing that criteria, I don't know. I don't think Moral Combat makes the list of top five most iconic. I put Street Fighter over it, but I like Street Fighter better. Yeah, and that's my thing is I put Street Fighter over it, and I like Moral Combat better. Super Barrier Cart probably won't make the list overall anyway, but, like, I had to make sure that it had its, you know, time in the sun here. So I'd keep it on the potential.

There are like two other lists I think it's going to make it on for sure. Then Star Fox. No. Let's wait a generation for them. Yeah, that's going to come back around. I brought that up because, you know, the FX. It is iconic for sure. It is very iconic what it did.

I'm fucking wearing a Star Fox t-shirt. There we go. Mega Man X. Yes. I haven't played. I can speak to it. I just don't know. I'm not even heard much about...

I mean, I feel like we're getting into quality of games. Oh, wait. Is Mega Man X the one where you're playing is like zero? No. No, but you meet zero. Dude, you would love Mega Man X. It's on Switch. You got to play.

I don't really think if you put a bunch of Nintendo fans, the most unformed and the most informed in a room. And like, Mega Man X is going to come out. I think we put a box in these other games. I think so. I think so. I don't think so. I don't think so at all. I think Final Fantasy makes the list before Mega Man X 100%. I think Final Fantasy makes the list 100%. I think final fantasy. I agree words. Tier-wise. No, he's going to name Mega Man X before they won't win Final Fantasy 3. I think a lot of people would. A lot of people would say. Global iconic mindset. Like, I feel like I've not heard people talk about Mega Man X that career, at least in that conversation of like most iconic. So, Fran, your argument for a man, too, included the words, they made eight more. of those. That was not an argument.

It was simply... I'm just saying. It was a little side dish to Nibelon. Right. At the moment. I didn't try to turn that around of me, but no. Super Castlevania 4.

I love... That and Contra, they're both great games. I don't think. It's a great launch game. Like, Act Razor also same place of, like, amazing launch game. Oh, yeah. I don't know that I put it on that list.

And then Yoshi's Island. As much as I love it, I just don't... It's one of the best games of all time. It's just... Yeah. I don't think I'll get to the support, but replace anything on that list. Now, one more that I want to throw out there

that I don't think actually makes the top five most iconic, but definitely makes the greatest single cartridge of all time. Oh, I had that read down. It's a RPG. I mean, RPG is good news. Have you willing to hear the argument for it?

I don't think there's an argument for it. I think the game's great. It's so great, but it's just like, when you're talking iconic, there's just, Super Nintendo just, that's what it is. It's an iconic game. It's an iconic thing. You know, the end of its life cycle as well. Yeah, that's what I know about it.

I mean, I might put also. Star is over like Donkey Kong. Super Mario All Stars is incredible. Super Mario All Star. It's not as iconic. I actually think it is, but I think despite the criteria, it would be hard. If people knew there was a list

of more than one, they'd already have named several Mario's and they'd probably be like, well, I think all those individual games are for sure iconic, just not necessarily that package. All Star has remade them, though. I think the work that Cartridge put into actually making those games come back around

and make them, like, I'm not going to say make them more interesting because they're already like those games are already perfect but bring them back and yeah quote unquote like I guess HD or whatever you want to call it I thought that I remember playing that cartridge at my friend's house being like yo this these games are amazing that was my first actual actual like interaction with those original Mario games I feel like that's that cartridge is probably like a lot of people's first interaction with those original Mario games I remember that first commercial like with the magician going like here's five games the S&ES and zero games of Genesis I'm like yeah that's a good point that is a good point

Just making a good point. Yeah. I think it's still just... It's making a good point. You know, I think just inherently, even then, people knew it was this compilation of stuff. And I feel like they would know Super Mario World before. Regardless, they'd be like, oh, well, Super Mario World would be the first off the tip of their tongue regardless, you know. Compilations can be iconic to the system.

But I still agree. I feel like that this one's... It's close, but no cigar with Mario Stars. No cigar. All right. So the list that put us that we have... Super Mario card. I took that.

No, no, no. The ones that are, so we have Super Metroid, Super Mario World, and link to the past, locked. So we have two spots left between these five. Okay. Street Fighter 2 Turbo, Donkey Kong Country, Final Fantasy 3,

Chrono Trigger, and Megamatics. This is really fucking hard. This is impossibly hard. Donkey Kong Country and Super Street Fighter 2, Turbo. Donkey Kong Country and Final Fantasy 3. I think Donkey Kong Country. Yeah. Don Kong Country for sure.

Amon, do we all agree? on this one? Yes. Okay. So, Don Kong Country gets in there. That's the problem is that, like,

I don't want to argue against any of this. Graphics are amazing in Don Kong Country. They're, like, they're like three graphics, but pixels. I don't know.

I never vibed with the art style of those games. They were really cool to see it. How everybody. Go into the other room, grab your Don Kong 64 cartridge and toss out the window. Yeah, everybody.

You don't know how to serve it. You know what I mean? No. Two looked great. I'm just saying, man. Art style was fun. I would argue. that that is exactly what made it iconic.

Like, everybody remembers, you're like, what? It's 3D. It wasn't, right? There was that weird time where they were like, let's make spreads out of SGI graphics and, like, Clayfighter until, like, that came out of it. Remember that? Remember that? Yeah. Remember that Clayfighter? The dog is on country, like, it caught so much.

So we have one more spot for most iconic Super Nintendo games, Street Fighter 2 Turbo, Final Fantasy 3, Chrono Trigger, or Mega Man X. Super Mario. All right. Four-way tie. What is that? Four-way tie. I can't like two things.

I know. I mean, honestly, it is a four-way tie, but I think looking at this list, it's Fawn-FASC-3. Yeah. You can make the argumentary fighter is more an arcade thing than the S-N-E-S thing. And like I said, I think it is an arcade thing, but I also think that it, like, it had such a home as, like, you can take that experience that's so popular in the arcades home. And, like, people fucking loved that with the multiplayer and all that. But Fompas-S-R-R-R-Memberable. But iconic.

big difference I'm gonna go Final Fantasy as well Plus Oh I can go Final Fantasy Like I would say Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo I remember the weight Leave your phone

Let's see where it lands out Remember the weight in my hand Picking that Final Fantasy 3 cartridge I'm going Street Fighter by it I understand the argument for Final Fantasy And I'm not gonna Like go hard against it I think that's reasonable

So the list is Super Metroid Super Mario World Link to the Past Don Kong Country and Fall Fantasy 3 That's a fucking list. Yes.

Yeah, I was just going to note, if you had any worries about Final Fantasy 3, I would argue, and I feel like three was just so, that was the one that started to transcend, like, everywhere across the globe that everybody started talking Final Fantasy. I feel like that's what happened and why it's deserving. We quit seven with being the beginning of the JRP boom in America, but six seeded the ground quite a bit. Yeah, big time.

Totally. Moving on to the end. Yeah, baby. Oh, I'm so excited. All right. First job. Mario 64 for an o'clock arena of 10. time.

Yes. Boom and those are the two obvious ones. No, we don't have to get a list of like in three, four games. But that's the thing. Like to throw out there to start this list growing a little bit. You gotta put two on my 64. Just put it on the list and get it down.

Mars 64 and Ocarina are on the list. Oh yeah, you got it. Yeah, easy. But just moving on to like get some here to start calling later. GoldenEye. Yeah, golden night was the next one. Can we just put perfect dark? Can we just play the Buck Bumble theme?

Perfect Dark's not going to hang, but we can type it down. I just play the opening to Buck Bumble. Star Fox. Buck Bumble. Uh, yes, Star Fox. I'm gonna throw one out there that might give me some looks, but Pokemon Stadium. Yeah, maybe, sure. I think it deserves a shoutout.

I don't think it hangs at all. Yeah, it deserves a shout out for sure. Smash Brothers, obviously. You wanna know. Mario Kart 64. The real, oh, that's gotta be a lock. Yeah, that might be a lock. Mario Party.

No coming. The real Pokemon game that deserves the shout. I just gotta get out of my system. Go for it. Pokemon Puzzle League. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's not icon.

How did none? you say snap. Yeah, Spockmon Snap is in the conversation. Dude, that was in like hotel rooms. Snap or Puzzle League? Snap.

I wish Puzzle League was. Dude, Puzzle League is great. I feel like for me, Puzzle League is legit. Quality aside. Torok. Sure?

That's interesting. Anybody say wave race yet? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a good one. The water. That's a real good thing. Y'all motherfuckers, I'm just going to do it.

Cruising USA. Oh, my God. This guy had to bring this arcade argument. It only keeps throwing out are arcade games. I mean, you're right, you're right that it is

tied more to arcade. While we're on this, while we're on this train of putting things that aren't going to make it, snowboard kids. Yeah. No.

No. It's not going to make it, but I just want to say the words. I just want to say those words together. Diddy Kong Racing probably isn't going to make it, but I feel like it's in the, it's in the conversation

more something like. Oh, wait, we're fucking up. Banjoo Kazoo. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I was going to say Banjo. You already said smash, right? Yeah.

episode one racer oh yeah arguable but this is the important one and since Greg's not here either which WWE game are we putting on this list? No mercy

no mercy yeah probably no mercy did we already did I say Mari party yeah you did you but if it's not there it should be there was that three it's not on it

Murray Party three one I would say two two yeah two is probably the one that people would yeah when it picked up most steam and is that the one where is he a cowboy in the front of that

I think I was three no two was the cowboy Was it? I remember the covers. On the cartridge? I'm pretty sure. It was the cowboy map and the wizard map. I'm looking it up.

Oh, you might be right. Yeah, two's the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's two. About 1080. Wow. 1080s snowboarding. I was going to say 1080P snowboarding. Oh, shit.

I wish it was. See, Tony Hawk's PlayStation. Yeah, that's PlayStation. Even though I first played Don't Ask Pro Skater on N-64. Yeah, I associate with N-64, so. So, wait, where is that puts? It puts us in a lot, but, like, looking at it. I still have more.

Jet is pointing out Majora's mask as well. Oh, yeah. Sure. I don't know about iconic. I don't know if it hangs. I think it's like one of those tier two, two, two, or three

iconic games, but top five, yeah. I gave it a 9.9, I think. Wow. Too cowardly to give it a 10. Once with you in 0.9. Might have been a point Aib. That could have been the first. Do we put perfect dark on that already?

It's on there. And you already got Mario Perk. 64. Right. Yes. Rocket robot on wheels. Heck yeah. I don't even type that.

I don't, that's what I think. it's a good game but shadows of the empire oh fuck yeah i remember buying it and being so disappointed but the hype is huge conquer is bad for a yeah that game exists what game's good hmm let's see i am i'm gonna missin a couple like who pilot wings oh i i i sort of two launch it's pretty iconic it's i mean that was it's not it's not gonna hang but it's worth mentioning uh what were you gonna see too rogue squadron we didn't even mention f zero we didn't even mention F-Zero.

I thought about it. It's not without those top five. Did we say Mario Card 64? I'm just going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say it, but it's not going to hang. It will not, yeah. No. That was a hot mess. Mickey's Speedway or whatever it was called.

The other rare. Beetle Adventure Racing. Fantastic. Dude, that game was so much fun. Yeah, but. So much fun. Turok was an interesting ad, Imran, because. I would have written it off first, but man, that was...

It's certainly iconic. Double 7, the world is not enough. Oh, God, fuck. I love that game. See, yeah, this is, again... In the spirit of, like, these are must-haves, which is going to go pretty fast. This is going to go pretty fast.

It's going to be Golden Eye, right, Ocarina... Right, Ocarrying. You're already at four. Yeah. And you're already on there, too. Doom 64? Paper Mario.

Paper Mario... Yeah, but... Yeah, we're going to get to... One of the best games on there for sure. Yeah. All right. I think we're in a good place to start going down there. Go ahead and separate.

We're going to go down and we're going to bowl the ones that were like, that definitely has a shot. Yes. Golden Eye. Yes. Perfect dark. No. I love it.

Yeah. That's one of those ones where my golden eye takes it and they both don't deserve to be there. Star Fox 64. Yes. Pokemon Stadium. Yeah. I wish, but I don't think it's going to say. I love it.

I love it, but it's just. It's formative. Those mini games, I feel like are iconic. Look at Tongue, dude. Yeah, the Liketong sushi. I was thinking about that yesterday, actually. Me too. Actually what the ass wrong? Maybe there was a tweet or something because I remember a tweet I remember recently thinking about Pokemon City

Are you guys on? Oh man, let me tell you the Licketong fan forum Yeah Smash brothers I'm gonna say I'm gonna say yes It has a shot not I come It has a shot yeah Mario Kart 64 yes yes yes yes

Pokemon Puzzle League no no no Pokemon snap no yeah yeah more so absolutely than stadium Yeah I guess yeah When Snap came out on the Wii VC, people were like, hell yeah, finally. That was the first, like, Pokemon Go practically. Turak. Torok, I feel like is close, but, like, it's not going to hang in the top five. Wave race.

It won't know. It's so good. Cruising USA. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Do you remember the answer?

That's my favorite part of that game. First thing, I was like, what's free for you? What about Mario Golf, Mario Tennis? The camera. Oh, Mario Golf. Oh, fuck. That actually. That's a good ad.

I'll put tennis that work off too. I would put tennis is great. I like those games. I don't know that they're most like that. Yeah, I don't think they make the finalist. Killer Instinct. No. No.

Snowboard kids. No. Did he con racing? It's the last section. Tier two. I don't think that's tier one. Banjo Cazooey. Yeah.

Star Wars episode one racer. No. No. No. Yes. No. Yes. If episode one racing isn't making it,

I'm sorry. I wouldn't put no mercy above episode one racing. They both voted so I put it there. There's no way this man. There's no way. Yeah, but there was not as good a wrestling game until then,

and there hasn't been as good a of a Star Wars racing game before episode one racer. A racing revenge, not that bad. No. On PlayStation 2? I take it back. Mario Party 2.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Major's mask. I don't think it's going to make it. I think it just came out so late in the system's life cycle that it's hard to say it's iconic with it

And it's hard to be like we're going to put Ocarina and Majores on the list I don't think that's going to happen Yeah exactly 1080 snowboarding No No Shows the Empire

No Congress bat for a day No Pilot wings Maybe Yeah only iconic Because it was a launch scene But it won't hang with the 5

You can't be An iconic game for being on the launch The N64 It was two games If you're not Mario 64 It was the entire launch Toys are Us is what made Mario cards

The Ars Pilot Wings And then Jet Force Gemini. No. No. So, okay. Even though it's one of the best games. The calling begins.

Wow, that list got really bad. Hey, don't you dare. Jet Force Gemini? I started trying to think that we're passing on. One of the early great third-person shooters of our time. I wanted it to be so good. The weird bug-eyed. We have two locks right now.

They're literally bug people. They changed the arts. Super Mario 64 is all the Occurine of Time. Yeah. So we have three open spots for eight games. Let's just argue about GoldenEy now. What do you think? GoldenEye is in.

There you go, see? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't see, I suspected nobody would argue against it. So, Goldman. Star Fox 64. Yes. I think it's in there.

I'm not sold, but I could be. I mean, I'm still thinking about Mario Car 64. The rumble pack, the voices, like, so many iconic lines of do a barrel roll. It's like, it's just, it's the whole package. The multiplayer was shitty, but everyone played it. And more of the point, it just associated with the XE4, more than any other game. To the point where every single Star Fox game since then

has been like, what if we just did this game over again? Yeah, just do it worse. We just think about all the other games. Yeah, I can hear the names of it. We'll keep it as a maybe there. Smash Brothers, I'm going to say, like, comparing it to Star Fox 64. It's the weakest Smash Brothers game. How dare you?

I mean, you're not wrong. How dare you finish that context? Obviously, to me, Smash Brothers was like my fucking, life and like I do associate it so much. That's me too. I played it on the N64. Oh yeah. And I played it hard. Yeah, no, I played the hell of that game. It just

when I think about that. And I would put it, I mean, I personally put it over Star Fox. If you gave me a list of every Smackin of the game to play, it would be maybe last or second to last. Yeah, but I feel like that's, that's just because, I feel like I could make that argument for Star Fox, Star Fox, if they made a good Star Fox game after Star Fox's before. That's the kind of thing. But I feel like that doesn't make it more iconic than Super Smash Brother 64.

Yeah. Actually, Super, I mean, Super Smash Bros. 64. Now I'm thinking about it. Yeah. It hit really hard towards the end. That was the first, like, crossover of that kind for Nintendo. And we all remember that commercial. They're all fighting on the brand.

Dude, I'd argue for it. Yeah, I'm going to argue for it. Mario Card 64 was so good. Yes. Yes. Yes. Pokemon Snap. I think it gets the cut at this point.

Yeah. In the top 10 list, it would be for sure. Pokemon was always, like, portable. Mario Party 2. I feel like if it comes down to smash Mario Kart and Mario Party, Mario Party's not making the cut. Yeah, it's a true... I've never really over Smash it before, honestly.

Yeah. But what... I mean, it's definitely not over Mario Kart. WF, no mercy. It's getting... I even put that over all those other games, honestly. What? What?

You're crazy. Y'all are wild. You would put that as one of the most iconic games over all of the other games. No mercy. No, no, not all those other... Oh, okay. All the other, like, the Mario Kart smash Mario Party. No, no.

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Fran? It's, I mean, I understand the argument, but I think people would have trouble remembering even what it was called, you know, no mercy. Like they'd remember W.B. They'd be like, yeah, but if first, you know,

first off top of their head, all those other ones would probably make the list beforehand. If I'm out of voted, I'm voted, but I think that's, that is one that I would keep on there for, I played the crap out of all this. Frank, it's like, we're voting that it's not on the list. What do you say? First, the others, no, it's not going to make my list.

So then Banjo-Kazooey. Yes. Yeah. It's the most iconic, y'all. I don't think it hangs on the top five. Bejio Kizui on an N-64 iconic list. Yes. It's on there.

I think it's like six or seven, you know? I don't know. Like, Banja Kizui, I might even put up there, I'll put up there above Smash Brothers, even though Smash Brothers is like higher on my favorite game list. Like, Smash Brothers, I think, is a, actually I don't even know if I'd say it's a better game, but Banja Kizuizu is definitely more iconic than the first.

This is like when I'm already for Casamania. I don't think so. This is a thing that was really important. me for that first system. Yeah. Like, Smash Brothers was way more important to me than Benjik Tzu. I only played Benjikizu for the first time in 2016, but I remember at the time, I remember being a kid and being like, my friends talking about Benjikazui

at school and me being like, this game with the bear? And then I go home and put Doggaw-Sy-4 and I'm like, yeah. All right, so here's what we're going to do. There are five games on the list. We're going to each go around the table, each one of us needs to pick the two that we think belong. Tim, can I throw one out there that someone brought it in the chat? Go for it.

Because even though it's one of the worst games of all time, Superman 64. No. Dude. Not iconic in the conversation. That's the right word. It's in the conversation. I don't know if I'd say it's in the conversation.

I think it is because it is so tied, but like not on this level. When you talk about games that are so bad that they're iconic for the console, I'm looking at E. Like, ET is part of that concept. And I think Superman 64 is like number two. But Superman 64 didn't affect the N-64. Like Superman 64 came out. I didn't know that was a bad game until I, like, grew up.

And I look on YouTube, like YouTube videos, like top 10 worst games all time that I learned about this remain 64. Like that wasn't a conversation I was having with my friends. We literally have a copy of No Mercy behind us. Right behind your head is no mercy. It's just fighting. That's because Greg Miller works here. All right now. Get Greg in here, but here's the thing.

We're going around the table. Out of these five games, you need to pick the two that you think make the list. Star Fox 64, Super Smash Brothers, Mario Kart 64, Banjo Kizui, Mario Party 2. Okay. That's easy. I forgot with the other four word. But if I'm choosing for that list. The other are Mario 64,

Ocreen of Time, Golden Eye. So you're picking the two more to fill out that list. Yeah, it was Mario Kart 64 and Super Smash Bros. for me. Hold on, one sec. I'm going Star Fox 64, Mario Kart. I'm going Mario Kart 64, Banja Kizui. It's funny. This is the Iowa caucus thing,

and we all have the same second choice. It's Mario Kart 64 for my second toy, and Star Fox is my first. You're right. Okay, so Mario Kart 64 is for sure on there. So it's Mario Kart and Star Fox. That's the overlap? Yep.

We all say Mario Kart, so that definitely made the list. And then Star Fox 64 was from both of us. Gotcha. That was the only other double. Star Fox over Banjo and Star Fox over Smash. Really? I love Banjo, dude. I just feel like global fans around the world.

Y'all were a kid when I was a kid. I remember, informed and uninformed people are making this list. That is going to shape the list. We don't think they remember We're at different levels of nostalgia for different things. I don't even have nostalgia for Beijing. I feel like the top 10 for N64 is really easy.

The top five does get just difficult. But again, I feel like once we make the list, it starts looking so much more like, all right, I buy it. Mario 3, Mario 1, Duck Hunt, Legend, and Zelda Mega Man 2. That's the Nintendo. Super Metroid, Mario World, Link to the Past, Donkey Hawk Country, Final Fantasy 3.

That's the Super Nintendo. Super Mario 64, Zelda Ocarine of Time, GoldenE, Star, Fox, 64, Mario Kart, That's his N64, dude. Solid list. It'd even be more than the N-S-4 if Andrew Guzouis on there. I'm just saying. Ladies and gentlemen, before we move on,

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Woo, man. Mario Kart double dash. We'll see. Why don't you get out of here? That's a we'll see. But it is, it is a will see. GameCube is very interesting because I feel like that's when Nintendo got really weird.

And I feel like you can make a lot of different arguments for a lot of different franchises in ways that, like, I don't think a Mario game is for sure on this list. Well, yeah, the Mario Game got to suck for her. Yeah, that's thing. Sunshine is actually a great game. It was adequate with you. It was adequate.

Even like the, like, I feel like for previous consoles, the Zelda game is like the number one pick, whereas here, like, the Zelda might make it. But I don't think it's the, like, easy, easy, easy, number one, the way that, uh, legend is Zelda super, um, or link to the past. Yeah, they're not as, you're like, the one. Like, the one that is easy. The one is the one. Oh, Super Smash Bros. Yeah, actually, and you're right. And Metroid Prime, yeah.

But Super Smash Brothers melee, I just can't imagine anybody would be like, no, that's not the list. It has to be. Animal Crossing. Or maybe. Pickman! We should have put Animal Cross. watching on the N64 list. But no one played on 94.

Luigi's Mansion. I'm put there. Soul Calibur 2. Ooh. I said it. Holy shit. That is a fantastic. Fantastic choice.

It's so associated with GameCube. The fact that it was on three systems and everyone wanted the Nintendo. That was the one that made me go like, dang it. Like I got the right of life. Of course, because you got to play his link. But that Link's iconic, not So Calvert 2. What?

Wait, wait, what? Yeah. Soul Calvert 2 is an iconic? Not on gaming. You're super wrong. You are crazy. I think you're wrong. You go play Dreamcast or whatever with Soul Calibur.

I had PS2 Soul Calibur. Dreamcast or one. I was upset that I got Hayachi. Yeah, and I was like, this game is excellent. It's one of my favorite fighting is all time, and it'd be just a bit better if I had Link. That's just instead of Hayashi. Then I played the game with Link in it. Then I played the GameCue version and I was like, this is a perfect video game.

This is a 10 out of 10 video game. All the other game-Q games, like I understand where it's coming from, but I just think you're crazy compared to everything else to South there. I mean, I mean, it's like, it's really more iconic. more iconic thing. It's way more... Soul Calvert 2 is way above Eternal Darkness. Nobody's gonna tie that. If you said... Nobody would tie that to GameCube. I'm sorry.

If you said... Wait, nobody would... What? Soul Calvert 2? Somebody put a fucking pull out right now on Twitter. Wait. If you see Mario Sunshine, they're like, okay, yeah, good point. What was just fed?

What were you guys, internal darkness? You were super wrong here. Wait, internal darkness? Is such a, like, most hours played or, like, I don't even know, but, like, out of... What? What? Hey, I don't even know what the...

I do like you guys are going back to my favorite games or whatever. No, it's actually true. It's iconic. It's people tied up. It's people that bought the game. Like, I'm weirded out that you don't think it's... I just don't. Like, I don't know it's in the top five, but I think it's definitely...

I just would tie some Calvert 2 to so many other, you know... Hey, so the word's perfect video game reduced there? Want to put the actual perfect video game, Resonable 4? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You guys got one wig around there? Yep. Well, I just put it there.

I love that's the one that show. took things up. So Cal. Oh, that was the last one on my list. Paper Mario, yeah. You did throw out Eternal Darkness, right? It's on the list. It's crazy. It's not going to make it. It's not going to make it. That's you guys.

It's a great game. But no way. Like Super Mario Strikers, great game. It's not going to make this list. Oh, yeah, that's a great game. Don't compare Eternal Darkness to Super Mario Strikers. For iconic, we're talking about iconic. If I go out on the street and ask anybody like, oh, do you know Super Mario Strikers? Who am I in the room with? They're going to tell me, well, by the way, bless me.

I honestly We need to channel the angry reg voice and the This is what you need Yeah Because I'm sweating right now I love this

This is such a weird thing What game cube games Are we missing here? We're probably a ton What do we associate Prince of Praterta with? See I go Xbox I go out of the way

I mean I loved it on GameCube Again something I just Would never It's too agnostic That I think it kind of muddles The message about Beyond and evil

I associate that gameCube But I also feel like It's a rogue squadron on here Oh Roak Choubages is a good one Rogue Squadron. Which one? Two. Probably, I just think the first one The launch game.

The launch game. Well, first one was N64. Yeah. Oh, sorry, sorry. So Roe Squadron 2 was the launch game. But what was the subtitle again? It's not going to hang. It's the road leader? I just want to shout it out.

Vuteville Joe. Yeah, Roe Reuterreter. Yeah, beautiful Joe. Totally. Bring it back. Not iconic, but amazing. Yeah. I'll put it there for the conversation.

I'm going to say these words. And I might get laughed out of the room. Go for it. Twilight Princess. And I, it's a weird one. I wouldn't necessarily. That's a Wii game. The GameCube version actually came out after the Wii version.

Did it really? Yeah. Trust me, I made a four-hour video project on Zelda. That's wild. I didn't know that. We were about to have a very similar argument about two consoles from now. Yeah. It came out like 13 days after the Wii version, and it's just like the weirdest.

But I get it because they probably wanted to sell more whys. I played it on Wii. No one associates it with GameCube. They associated it with. What about Tales of Phonia? No. I think it's iconic. Yeah, but I feel like that's a little too niche, where it's like, I agree with you.

Fantastic game and everybody loves it, but like, it's just, it's not going to. F-Zero DX. I want it on the list because it belonged. I played the arcade version. I saw. Holy shit, that thing is amazing. It's amazing. Like the street moves.

Tri-Force. Yeah. The Sega and AmCode Nintendo thing. Resonivor remake. Yeah, it's funny that I wanted to like throw that out, but I'm like, everybody's just going to think PlayStation. for Resident Evil. Remake, I think it's...

But the remake was pretty iconic, nonetheless. I do think it's... Melliger Solid Twin Snakes? Twin Snakes? Yeah, sure. I would put it on iconic list, sure. I should think we have a pretty solid

five to seven already. We have a pretty solid list. Are we putting one or two from a two prime? I'm gonna say one. One. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Okay, cool. We have a good list to go off of here. Shout out to Fire of Lumpther Radiance. It's my favorite. Yeah, my favorite of them, too. All right. Mario Kart double dash. Do we think it has to be on the list?

Fran? I don't necessarily think it does. What game? I'm sorry. Mario Kart. Compared to all these other ones now. Yeah. Honestly, like, it's probably my least favorite Mario Kart.

Like, second least favorite. Yeah, I don't think Mario Kart becomes iconic again until, honestly, Mario Kart 8. What? Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? No. Mario Kart Wii?

Yeah, we was a revolution. Oh, yeah, that's true. The Wii. We might be number two. Are you? You just said Mario Kart We was a revolution? Yes. You're a fucking psych.

Dude, they had that game in my school. Everything on the Wii was a revolution. The motion thing, man. 20 million extra people played the franchise for the first time is what happened. Okay, maybe I'm wrong in saying not iconic, but I do agree with the sentiment is that Mario Kart did not get good again until Mario Kart 8.

Yeah, 3Ds is really good. Yeah, 3DS is good. But also, I don't think we necessarily had to cut double dash yet. I feel like you'd like float around. Or we could just cut it. I feel like a lot of these games are going to be iffy. Me too. I think double dash is good.

It's funny, I feel like GameCube so far has the least, like, has to be it. Dude, that's what I'm saying is that once you get to get to GameCube, it's like, should be a fun on the internet, though. Super Mario Sunshine. No. Yeah. I think that's another floater. It's not going to be in the top five.

I think it's another floater. I feel like you guys are putting quality on this. Again, if people know five games on, well, I don't know. I see why you're bringing up some of these other three-d-figure. Like, Sunshine is compared to all the other 3D Mario games is obscure. It's also the only Mario game that never, like, reported or, like, remade in any way. If you ask someone, like, they're, like, really fast shot, you know, most iconic GameCube games, like, go.

Almost they always name Mario first in everything. Because that's the obvious thing you should have been named before sunshine. I say we're keeping sunshine for now. Yeah. Zelda Win Waker. Yes. Our file alone makes it iconic for. Metroid Prime.

Yes. Definitely. Smash melee. Yes. The only definite, it's on this list so far, I think, right? I think Prime is ready for Redmond before. Are too definite. Prime.

Or in four. Yeah, sorry, Prime and melee. Can we make a motion that they're on the list? Yes. Cool. Then, Animal Crossing. Oh. I think it gets the cut.

Yeah. I think it was huge for the GameCube. Yeah. I'd say, let's put a pin on it for now. Okay. Yeah, because I can see that. Pickman. Yeah.

I wish it was iconic, but. Yeah. They've never really been able to make Piping catch on. It's still done reasonably well, but it's just not like, Luigi's Mansion I'm gonna say I mean he's definitely I'm gonna say more so than the other floaters

I think Luigi's Mansion All right we'll keep Luigi's Mansion then Soul Calibur 2 Yes 100% Yes 100% I'm sorry about 100% But I'd say 100% is in this conversation

Yes It's iconic Like I think that's another floater Weirdos Eternal Darkness Yes Yes are you insane No I don't think so

Memorable and iconic I'm sorry It's a fine game It's just not. It's funny. France's perspective on this is interesting because I feel like you were so ingrained in in the Nintendo coverage at that point. Yeah.

Like your perspective is just different. It probably is in this case because I'm probably, yeah, thinking about the more informed people in this case, which I've argued against along the way. But I'm just like, I still think that people went to the store and, man, they just, whether they bought it or not, eternal darkness case. No, I'm not kidding because the maturity level of that game on the Nintendo system

brought so many eyeballs on it. Everybody knew about it. It was in every major first party advertisement because it was like a second party game from Nintendo. Like it was Nintendo's

top five promoted for a long period of time. So I think you guys are underselling the power of eternal darkness iconically, iconically. I think it was that iconic

that could have gotten what was it called Rise of the Eternal's? Oh, Rise of the Eternals? Oh, you're talking about their, yeah,

the spiritual sequel that they tried to kickstart three times and failed each time. Yeah, well, it moved around companies and they had a number of... And there's a pedophile involved in the other kinds of things going that are not great, but yeah. Video games are wild. Resident Evil 4. For sure. Dead.

That one's like definite. We all agree right now. Yeah, let's put that on the list. Yeah, see, that's why I was like, we're already at four with that one on the list, in my mind. That's three. Oh, I thought we had four. Prime melee. We're at Prime melee and Resident Evil 4.

Prime melee, RE4. Okay, I thought there's another one. Paper Mario 1,000 Year Door. Yes. I think I said a floater. Maybe a floater, but I think it's worth it. Because I don't know if I put that above. We don't have anything to put it above quite yet.

Yeah, well, when I'm thinking of floaters, right, does it make it above Mario Sunshine and Louise's Mansion? See, we got some floaters that... The floaters certainly makes sense to me. Rogue Squadron, I think it gets down. Yeah, that gets cut. It was such an amazing graphical showcase that launched. Like, it was a thing like, oh, actually it was worth waiting a year after the PS2

and missing all these amazing games because this game looks amazing. solid game too what do you think plus I'm fine with cutting it okay cool beautiful Joe I just wanted to shout it out I knew it wasn't gonna hang

but I just fucking love that game bring it back F0 GX amazing game it is iconic to some people it is the most iconic game game I don't think it's iconic overall

oh I know why I was thinking for because sunshine's still on my list that's why I'm thinking for but Resident Evil remake I don't think it's obvious it is iconic but I think R4 yeah on a list R4 R4RDFIS.

It's a kind of for the series, not necessarily to the game game. MetalGruSolid Twin Snakes. No, I can go. So, we have two spots left. MarioCard double dash, Super Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, sole caliber two, paper Mario 1,000-year door. Wind waker, I think, is...

Yeah, I'm with Wind Waker. Wind waker and Luigi's Mansion are the two most out of those. I put Super Mario Sunshine before that. The wind waker... I feel like we already have three. I feel like Sunshine is despite quality of the game. That's a good. I don't know, no, no, I think it's good too.

I just don't think it's like, it's not a 10, which Mario games usually are. It was like a eight. I just associate. Maybe a 7.9. How about? Did you really? I would have given it a 9.1 looking back. Wow, with the blue coins?

That game is padded. That game is awesome. No. I understand it had its issues, but... My question about sunshine. It was such a cool departure, actually. My, I love it. about Sunshine is what did that game and I know this yeah that was huge this

conversation of iconic kind of generally means like how many people know it but like you know we go back to that to the definition of iconic when we talk about tie it to the system or like notable for whatever whatever reason what did Sunshine do that was iconic besides be a Mario game it was the successor to Super Mario 64 in terms of a 3D Mario and that gets a lot of things up you got a lot of attention like it changed things up in a way like there was the Trinity of clean is better than games of Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, and Sunshine that were just like, hey, we have these established franchises, and they're all going to be radically different than what you expect.

Everyone expected Ocarena of Time. But I feel like within that argument, that then makes it less interesting. It's one of the main arguments about how disappointing Nintendo got during the GameCube generation was like they were rushing their games, clearly. And Winemaker had a bunch of cut dungeons. Mario Sinzhen was like not super polished, especially, and certainly didn't revolutionize like Mario 64 did. So I think that's...

Still a fantastic game. You get that kind of argument of like, this game is also iconic for how disappointing it was to a lot of people. Which is still iconic. Yeah, which you can, like, feed in there. Then you put Mario Card Double Dash on the list. And that's what we're talking about. I feel like there's nothing necessarily, like, interesting about Sunshine that really, like, puts it in that iconic, iconic conversation. Like, you can say it's a different Mario game, but Winemaker was a different Zelda game.

Double Dash was a different Mario Car game. And Luigi's Man. Here's the thing is Luigi's Mansion was a weird thing. was like the first time Luigi got the spotlight. Like GameCube is the only Nintendo system where I associate Luigi more to it than Mario. Yeah, I mean I agree with that, but I don't know if

Luigi's Mansion, I would say, is... We didn't have been to his... At the time, it was like, not great. I wouldn't put the Eternal Darkness Mansion above Silofer 2. Like, I'll still put Supercar 2 above Luigi's Mansion. I put Peter Mario above all of those. That would be my choice. Where are we... I can't

believe we're talking about not having Mario on the list because you guys didn't apparently... Peter Mario's a Mario? Or you were disappointed by... No, I was even... like disappoint. That's not even my argument for it or my argument against it. My argument, my argument against it is that there's nothing necessarily like noteworthy. I don't know, man, like the vibe of it, the island vibe of it, like the characters are introduced, it wasn't Mushroom Kingdom stuff. Yeah, but like galaxy was space.

Everyone hates beyond. Like, I feel like now, especially at this point, we're talking about 2020, looking back at the iconic games of generations, like, there have been so many different Mario games that I feel like Sunshine is just so like unnoteworthy. We're only talking about the GameCube, and it's most iconic. And I would still throw out. It doesn't matter about it. So we're going to do the vote again.

We're at Metroid Prime, Super Smash Brothers Malay, and Resident Evil 4. The rest of the floater list, very solid at 7. Mario card double dash, Mario Sunshine, Zelda Wind Waker, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, Soul Calibur 2, Paper Mario 1,000 Year Door. Each one of us, we're going to go around the table and vote.

Can you say them one more time? Yes. Mario Card Double Dash, Mario Sunshine, Zelda Wind Waker, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, sole caliber 2, Paper Mario, Thousand Year Door.

I'm saying Animal Crossing and Wind Waker. I think Animal Crossing should be on there. Respectable. Thank you. I'm going Soul Caliper 2 in Wind Waker. Not in that order. That's the same problem. I'm going to say

Wind Waker and a thousand door. Superbarra, Sunshine, and Winwaker. I was really hoping for the, like, a last second double-dash, like, heel turn. So, Winwaker's for sure on there. So Winwaker is on the list. Within those four games that we just mentioned. Yeah, so that's the thing.

Now we've got to go, hold on. There's some calculus in me going, like, maybe I'll go for Animal Crossing just to get on the list. Yeah, because that's my thing is, like, I was thinking Fran might just go with one of ours knowing that that will then solidify the list. But I'm glad you didn't. Because I feel like there's more discussion we had here, because Tim said Soul Calabry, too, and if I didn't say

Animal Crossing, I would have said Soul Cobber 2. Sol Ghalper 2, Animal Crossing, Paper, Mario, or Mario Sunshine. To me, it is between Zolkobber 2 and Mario Sunshine. For me, it's between SoulCobber 2 and Animal Crossing. For me, it's between Paper and Solaver. What's the current list? I'm so like... We need to choose one more of these four, to round out.

Metro and Prime. Metroid Prime. Metro Prime. Super Smash Brothers Melee. Resident Evil 4, Legend of Zelda Wind Waker. Which of these games belongs on that list. Soul Calibur 2, Animal Crossing, Paper Mario, or Mario Sunshine. So now we're going to go around again. Everyone's going to give their, like, give two that you think it could be. Can you say it one more time? Because I actually do want to hear a case for a couple of these.

Soul Calibber 2. What is the thing that makes Soul Carver too iconic? It's the fact that's a good, it's a damn good game. It's one of the best fighting games. So there's a historic context to it of like Sol Halber being the Dreamcast, huge game. It was the game that like put that system not necessarily on the map, but it was the major thing people bought that system. It was the one thing people that didn't own it were jealous of. Yeah, and then when that game got a sequel, and it was like, oh, it's coming to all these systems, and there'll be an individual character for each

system. And supposedly, it was supposed to be a cloud for PlayStation, but it was Hayachi instead because I couldn't do the last... What a loss of the dream. But Link was the one people were most excited about. So, suddenly became a thing of, like, fuck, I really liked this game on Dreamcast, and maybe I would get it on PS2 or Xbox, but Link. Yeah. And I

I think aside from that, like, the Link thing I think also it's like just a fantastic fantastic fighting game. Like one of the most amazing. Yeah like you were talking about the grand scheme of fighting games Soul Calibur 2 is probably top 10 like for me at least. Yeah. So okay we're going to go around it up those four pick your two.

Read the four again. Soul Calibur 2, Animal Crossing, Paper Mario and Mario Sunshine. I know I'm making this long but can I hear an argument for and against Animal Crossing? It is I mean it's one of Nintendo's most successful series now at the time it was like this really amazing thing of holy shit.

we have this like non-linear game where you just like build a, or build a town. Wait for your mail. Around your family. And like, you ever see that one like, what was a comic that was a person talking about how they played the game with their mom who had cancer? And when they played it after she died, they like found all the presents. She left them.

Yeah. Like that's the kind of game. When I think about Animal Crossing, that's the kind of thing I think of. And there was a, it came out in Japan on N-Sty-4 beforehand, right? So this technically isn't like the first, first, Animal Crossing, but it's the first one in the West. Yeah. Well, they were the same, right? But it was, they added stuff.

Yeah, they added. So, like, a clock is fairly important to animal crossing. But meaning they were like, what, a year apart or less or whatever. It was Animal Crossing, 64 upgraded, and had the clock. Yeah, we never got to put it to the memory. Is there then an argument against Animal Crossing? What's the reason why you guys aren't voting for it? My argument against Animal Crossing is that I just don't, I don't think.

Well, you guys didn't vote for it before. I don't think Animal Crossing is something that I associate directly with the GameCube, even though it was the first one in America and all that. I just think that... I'll be honest, I'm kind of torn now that I think about it. My argument would be maybe it's more like high... like more associated with other consoles, like 3DS and DS. Okay.

But... Yeah. Like newly... Also, GameCube One was the one that has the NES games, which is fucking awesome. Yeah. And a weird thing you don't see anymore. Does it being like the first game, like the first game to kick it off for us in the West, do anything for you guys? I do think it's a really solid argument.

I went from... Sorry, it wasn't on my list as much to the more I think about. I'm like, man. I do think about Animal Crossing all the time when I think of GameCube. I think of GameCube. Yeah. So, okay, going around the table of these four, choose your two. Soul Calibur 2, Animal Crossing, Paper Mario, Mario, Sunshine.

I actually think I've been converted a little bit. Two? I'm on Animal Crossing and Paper Mario. I'm on Animal Crossing and Soul Calibber 2. Fran. What was it again? Animal Crossing, Paper Mario, A Thousand Year Door. Sunshine.

Sol caliber 2 and Sunshine. Jessica, born in Illinois. Oh, and we're picking two. Mm-hmm. I feel like I'm forgetting something, but it'd be Super Mario Sunshine and Animal Crossing. So Soul Calibur 2, Animal Crossing, Paper Mario, Mario, Sunshine, and Animal Crossing. I feel like, Cobra Monster.

I feel like, wait, he's trickles. Well, that's why I wanted to talk about it because I wanted to understand more, like, where we're at with the actual games themselves. We're all just very easily influenced. Well, it's very easy to vote for, like, what you know, which is why I went, I've been going for SoulColter 2 is because I know it and I understand why it's iconic. But also, like, I didn't play Animal Crossing.

on the GameCube, which is why I wanted to know more about why you guys are voting for it or not voting for it. Because I know animal, like today I know what Animal Crossing is, but I don't, I wouldn't know the context of it coming out then because I didn't have a GameCube. That's what I was going to say about Animal Crossing was, I feel like there has been this lookback effect of like even if you knew about it. Again, something you definitely, if you were into GameCube at the time, I feel like you knew about it, whether or not you played it. And now that it's so popular. That was a GameCube game. You know, like I feel like you just know it.

Which adds some value. And I'm not one that, like, I don't necessarily think that, you know, it not being as popular at the time makes it not one of the most iconic games in the console, especially if we feel the ripples now. Like if everybody knows that Animal Crossing is now and it started on the GameCube, then I think there's a strong argument. Well, it's barely changed. The top of five, most iconic GameCube games are,

Metroid Prime, Super, Smash Bros. Melee, Resident Evil 4, Wind Waker, and Animal Crossing. For me, the most interesting stuff is like the ones where we have no discussion. Whereas like, oh, yeah, obviously it's going to be Metroid Prime. Like, no interesting what's like, oh, that's obviously the most iconic. Yep, totally. All right, moving on to the Wii. Yeah. We Sports.

Yeah. We Sports. Yeah, just about the board out myself. 136 million copies? Something insane like that? There's 110 something. Either way, it's insane. I mean, obviously, it didn't outsell the number of whee's, I'm guessing, but.

Yeah. Mario Galaxy. Well, one or two. I would say one is more iconic but two is a better game That's where I meant to Yeah me too I was gonna say I feel like I could make an argument for both But I really can't

Yeah Mario Galaxy won Oh yeah yeah Mario Cartwee Yes We didn't mention Warriorware for GameCube Fuck I just bought that game

We should play it Dude I'd be down to play it I thought like Wariaware was the DS iconic Yeah let's get the Gameboy Advance It's going to be like Oh yeah there's several Warriorware Oh sorry wait it was Gameboy advanced Yeah, Game Boy fans.

That said, smooth moves. It's not going to make it top five, but it's a great game. Yeah, surprisingly good game. Okay, so we have Wii Sports, Mario Galaxy, and Mario Kart We. Legend of Zelda, Twilight Princess. Do we want to do... Okay, so let's have it out right now. Certainly.

Oh, Twilight Princess. There was like a worst games list we were doing? Skyward Sword would be there. I throw out. I do not. I think that's insane. I hate that game. It's not worse, but it was not great.

I hate it. It's... Go back over here. How do you feel about Skyward's storage? I hate it. Oh, okay. I heard that. Zach and Wiki, Quest for Barbaro's Treasure.

That game was a fun 20 minutes. That was one of those games where it's like when the Wii didn't have much except for like mini-game collections. It was like, oh, this is actually a really good game. But I put in the same category as I put Eternal Darkness. There's actually a lot more. You guys are going to laugh. Wait till you see the comments. We're going to come after you.

I hope they do. You know what Chet's saying a lot right now and I kind of agree with them because you know what series got published on the Wii until this year? just dance. You stole mine. I was going to say it. Oh, you were to say it? I didn't think anybody was going to say it. How dare you?

It's a fair point. I didn't think anybody was going to say it blessed. Yeah, brawls. Calm down on those ciders. It's number five on my list. Now I've got to redo my whole list. I think I'll have blessing support on this one, but no more heroes. Oh, no more heroes for sure.

It's on my list. I mean, probably my favorite game on the Wii. I don't know if it's all my top five most. Which is all get blessings choices and say them first. I think it's definitely. I mean, No more heroes were so tied to the Wii. Because, again, like, the Wii just didn't have that many, like, real games, quote. But what we have a lot of real game just had a bad ratio.

Like, we fit is also. Yeah, I was about to. Like, I feel like there's a lot, there's, like, a lot of basic choices that might not strike us. It's like these were, like, the great games of the Wii. But we're talking about most iconic. It's like, we sports, we fit. It's like the boring answers. New Super Mario Brothers.

New Super Mario Brothers. No, Wii Fit definitely passes the Smash Bros. I'm going to say Xenoblade Chronicles. Yeah. I remember seeing that at GameSpot because I was like, or not GameSpot, GameStop, because that was a GameStop exclusive game. Yes, it was.

And being like, I didn't know these things existed. Yeah, that was weird. Boom blocks. Boom blocks. It's cool. Stevens Spielberg's boom blocks. It won't make it, but just want to give a shout out. Rayman, Raving Rabbids.

Redmond, yeah. Oh, wait. Oh, wait, were you saying rabbits or origins? Rabbids. Rabbids. Hmm. I don't think it's good. They were very cute.

No, but it's an interesting one to throw out there. Yeah. That was a fun game. Red steel. I feel needs to be in the conversation. Red Steel, too, actually legitimately good game. Just. Really? Really? Every one of the sequel?

More iconic. Every time about Red Steel, we got to talk about the conduit. No? Oh, yeah. Conduit's great, man. Did you ever see the Ending Conduit, too? I feel like I've heard, I'm not seen it because I never, I didn't get far in that game because it gave me motion sickness. The main character goes to a, or they see a time portal, it outsteps Abraham Lincoln and George Washington in the space suits. I'm pretty sure somebody told me this before and I didn't believe it. And they're like, the presidential force is here to help. That's awesome.

Or Space Force or whatever they call. Remember me? Metroid other end, baby. Oh. I thought you're talking about the game. Remember Me? But I don't know. And I was like, I don't think that was on the league.

All right. Do you want to start whittling down? I'm still calling through lists, but let's go ahead. Mad World. No? Mad World is fine. It's not even the platinum here. I think most people think about you.

I just think to your earlier point, like, iconic. There's a lot of those. We, the ones with we in the title make the list. We play. We play. We play. We play. We play, I don't think.

It had that same type of shit. It had the packing controllers. Yeah. It's a massively successful game. Yeah. How do we feel about Wii Sports Resort? I would put Wii Sports for the first. No, it was big, but, like, we Sports in general.

I think Wii Sports and we fit. Both make the list. And both of them are, those are the Wii games that get the. This might be a bit too niche, but Muramasa, the Demon Blade. I think it's too. It's great. Yeah. But yeah.

Not compared to all these other ones in a way. It's not going to make it. The last story. I really like that game. It was a good game. Of the JRPs on Wii, it was one of the better ones. Is there any argument that Super Mario Galaxy isn't a definite? Nope.

No. Okay. So our definites right now are WeSports, Super Mario Galaxy, and We Fit. Are there any other of these games that we think are definite? Mario Kart Wii. Yeah. That game sold 30, what was it? 3 million.

Yeah. I might have written it down. All right. So we have one more spot. I feel like it's between Just Dance and Smash Brothers Brawl. We sport Which is a weird I think I never thought

I split it. What are you doing tonight? JustDans for Smash Brothers. We sports, Super Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart Wii Fit. That's the four we have right now. We have one more space

for Zelda Twilight Princess, Just Dance, Super Smash Brawl, no more heroes, New Super Mario Brothers, ZenoBlake Chronicles, Red Steel. I would honestly

remove WeFit and put in Just Dance and Brawl. That'd be my motion. Just Dance was huge. man. I mean, I think Just Dance better represents what we're trying to get

with. Yeah, I agree. And Wii Sports has a thing. I buy it. Do you buy it, Fran? Replace WeFit with Just Dance? Yeah, I think so. Like, We Fit despite its popularity, too, is so much of a moment in time where just Just Dance was probably, you know. We Fit, I think we would have forgotten about if

We Fit Trainer was not in Smash Bros. I don't know. It was pretty crazy what was. It was a hell of a thing. All of the Wii is like an insane time in game. So it's one more, One more spot. Twilight Princess, smash brawl, no more heroes, New Super Mario Brothers, Zeno Blade Chronicles, Red Steel. I think it's between Twilight Princess and Brawl. I think it's between Bra on New Super Mario Brothers.

Yeah. We don't have New Super Mario Brothers on there, actually. But, like, that game also sold, like, 29 million copies. Yeah, that game sold like crazy, and I played that game with my sister. But my thing with the, with New Super Mario Brothers, is that there was so many of them in such a short time period, that I get that it was like how to get that sold, I get that this one was the first multiplayer, four player, all that stuff. but I feel like they all blur to people that it's like you wouldn't

They're all kind of the same Yeah, that's fair That I don't associate Like there's just too many new Super Mario brothers That I don't associate it with the Wii Yeah and the first version came out for what D S? Yes This was the second game

Yeah This was the one that like It blew up though I mean I guess Mario D S game did really well Yeah it did very well But like for it being co-op I think did a lot for it

So like the conversation around it That brings us down to the final three being Twilight Princess, Brawl, new Super Smash Brothers, or New Super Mario Brothers. I don't think Twilight Princess makes it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, this is the one Zelda. I think it's Brawl then. Yeah, I could, I could.

This is the one Nintendo generation where Zelda game is not. I mean, Twilight Princess is my second. It was such a weird moment in time. It's brawl. It's brawl. Like, brawl defined a lot of the way Nintendo's marketing has worked for the last two generations. Yeah. And, like, remember the reveal trailer.

when we get the Sonic reveal. Oh, and freaking Snake? Yeah, and Snake. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, brawl is definitely it. I don't even speak about it before I had that thing memorized. Subspace emissary. Like, yeah, come on.

All right, all right. We got the list. The Wii is Wii Sports, Super Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart We just dance and Super Smash Bros. Brothers Brawl. Here's what we're going to do, ladies and gentlemen. We're wrapping up the show now. We're going to do the post show

where we will do the top five most iconic Wii U games. Until next week. I love you guys.