Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Top Most Iconic PlayStation Games - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 246

Episode Date: November 11, 2019

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What's up everybody? Welcome to the first ever episode 246 of the Kind of Funny Games cast as always. I'm Tim Geddes joined by one of the coolest dudes in video games. Greg Miller wearing a new shirt. Jane Silent Bob's Secret Snash. Oh, Red Bank, New Jersey. I was there, everybody. I lived at Bucket. Yeah, I didn't believe it was real.

I know. But you know, here you are with the shirt. Thank you. It has to be real. I wanted to get the fat man on a Batman shirt, but in comical, ironic fashion, they didn't have it in XL. There you go. There you go. Kind of like when we sold Team Fat shirts, but they stopped at 3 XL.

and everybody's like, what the fuck. The former and former. Imron Kahn. Howdy? How you doing? I'm doing where I, like, I was cold when I walked in here. I was like, I don't need, like, ice or anything like that. I'm fine with my drink.

Like, the studio lights came out. I was like, oh, this is a terrible idea. We got a new fan? Yeah. I'm a big fan. Doesn't move. So far, blowing me away. Doesn't move.

Stop it. First off, he stole some of those from Kevin. Is that Holmes? We stole that from Kevin. Greg Miller missing the whole boat here. Kevin and I, comedic genius together. I had to come up with the fan part.

He came up with the mom. only away part. We made a promise to each other that forever, from here on out, to the end of time, we are fans of each other's jokes. I want you to know that I am Noah and I never miss the boat. I appreciate it. All right. I wish you know, I'd appreciate it, Tim. Good puns. You just missed one.

That's why, no, I heard it, and I appreciated it. You said that you were fans. Great. Oh, Greg said one? You missed the boat on that one. Thanks for playing board. Don't worry. And we have the best hair in the business. Fran Mirabella FM3 underscore himself. How are you doing? I'm doing well. Good. Yeah, nothing really exciting to say. that excited to be here everybody remember twitch.tv slash fm3 underscore for jokes like that it's so important it's so important that that's all he cares about not as not his friends i didn't even plug it thank you for

pugging not even not even as he wants to hang out of you and give you red chess rather than play games with me it's real cool Greg's we still haven't played borderland street together it's we never well yeah yeah we what wow this is the first time i've heard that that hits me right there was a lot of debate going on in the pre-show you can get the pre-show by going to patreon dot com slash kind of funny games You can also be a Patreon producer, just like Angel Gutierrez and James Hastings have done. Angel. Oh, yeah? I don't know. I don't know. We haven't come up with one for either of them yet.

Just making him the angel. It feels a little too on the nose. Bear, lean into your microphone and sing me. Just call me angel in the morning. Perfect. Just call me angel in the morning, angel. There we go. There we go. It's all good. If you go to Patreon, you can also go to YouTube.com. slash Kind of Funny Games to watch this show on Mondays.

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that. I want to start off with a death stranding update, ladies and gentlemen, last week at the end of our review, we took bets. Ah! I forgot! On what the meta-critic score would be. And we're playing Price's right

rules. I said that I said that multiple times. I argued about it and you said that's just what we do. At some point Andy went, and Andy doesn't count. Everybody's like, Andy said it's true. I'm like, fuck Andy. I get a fire or whatever I want. I refuted it. Andy agreed. We never settled on it.

Was that it? We settled on it because me and Tim are the same person. Settled. So here's the deal. We all place the bets. And it's been up and down a whole week if you've been paying attention. But that was by the time of the next games cast. So Andy said 72.

Yeah. Greg? No, that's wrong. Kevin said 78. Greg said 82. Fran said 85. I said 87. and Imron said 89.

It was very optimistic. Turns out without good reason to be. I've been there, man, where you're like, I'm going to be the outlier, clearly. I don't like this game, but everybody else will like it. And the Metacritic, as of right now, is 83. Meaning, Greg Miller's the winner.

Greg would have won regardless. So I feel good about it. I refuted it. Instead, I didn't want to do the prices right, but I would have lost anyway. Dun-da-da-da-da-d-bub-bub. Yeah, how do you feel great? I feel great, guys.

You know what I mean? Because for a while there, yeah, it was awesome. I was nailing it. And then I saw it go up to 85. It was up to 85. I saw 87 for a while. Here you know what I mean? And then other people came around, they took it down, and here we are.

On the nose, on the money. You know what I mean? What's took it next week. Yeah. Greg wins. I get the pizza party was the bet. So I need a pizza party. Square Pie guys does delivery.

I'm sorry, they do lunch now. I'm not being a pizza party. Well, you know what, Fran? You're probably playing on PC without us again. It's funny. Didn't I come up with the bat? Sorry, you're probably talking to your Discord friends. Didn't I?

I think I was, because I thought I remember making fun of, like, Andrea during it. I was like, oh, and Andrew will send you champagne. Didn't I say that? Anyway, could have been any time. I have no idea. I'm pretty sure that was it. Yeah, let us know. Who the hell cares.

Speaking of that's stranding, though. Have you guys been playing at all since last week? No. Non-stop. They shut the servers down. On and off. Yeah, they're on maintenance for the last two weeks. So today's the first day they're back.

You could still play it for clarity. Yes. But the chair. structures. So starting with you and Ron, have you had any interest in going back at all? I finished the game. I'm done with it unless there's some like big DLC or some huge update. I'm probably never going to go back. Finished up about 42 hours it was. 48.

Yeah. Have you had any means to go back? I played a little bit more. Like, so since, you know, I've talked about this. I don't know on shows, whatever, but a few different times. Just to bring gamescast listeners up to speed on what my week's been, right? We did the Death Stranding review, felt a weight off my shoulders. I was like Friday night I had Sean Crinkle

was going to come in for We have cool friends I was like I gotta get after party busted out before he gets here started it Friday that's when the week caught up to me

that one all-nighter and then the Halloween party and everything else and it started falling asleep during after party and I'm like well I like after party already I know that

the dialogue's funny I don't want to ruin this experience then it was extra life then I came back from extra life and slept all Sunday then Monday I started

playing games again and was in a weird mood because I'm very very very hyped right now for Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order based on our preview and like knowing it's close and we should get review code

at any second. So I was like, I did the wrong thing where I was like, I'm not going to start anything new because I don't want to, so then I started jumping around between games and like,

ah, none of this is hit in the spot. Played some Death Stranding there. Okay. And it was very much like, oh man, it's so good to be back. Like, I was really excited to be back to it, but I was in the mood for something a little bit like...

More action? Not even action. Just, I don't even know. I'm in the mood for being a fucking Jedi. And I was like, well, this is what I want, right? So I ran three or four missions, popped out of that,

played, probably the most I've played through things, there's Borderlands, right? I did Bloody Harvest stuff that I hadn't done in the retail unit. I'm working on my platinum trophy

there. Just chip damage on that. If people want more information on your thoughts on Borderlands, bloody harvest. First off, we have the Borderlands show that's out now.

You can go get it. YouTube.com slash Borderlands game. And then Franon and I did a, well, cool Greg and me, did Concrete Jeannie's the video game book club. Then Franon and I did Borderlands and we put them in one episode

that needs to go up on Patreon, as soon as I'm off of this show. Can I say that, like, that event is neat, but I don't, I feel like they should let it be toggled on and off. Yeah. Did you read the Forbes thing? No. Forbes put up an opinion piece the other day. It was the exact same thing.

I'm like, hey, it's cool, but, like, I'd love to turn off because now I'm just getting terror drops all the time. Yeah, I want to go do Slaughter Star because we need to finish that. It just, I don't want to do it when there's ghosts everywhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear you. For clarity, too, for video game club, if I'm a newer listener here. What does that mean? Patreon. Patreon.com, slash kind of funny games for $1.

$1.1. It's your exclusive show. It will not go live anywhere else. You'll have also a bevy of other episodes that are up already. Where you hear us talk about a million. Division episode. Anyways, then I jumped around in, but I did not get Jedi yet. So I've just been

like, I'm not going to start anything new. I'm like, fuck. I could have totally started something new. So I started modern warfare, and I've been playing through that and whatever. I was watching you play in the back, and I was like, I was laughing because you were aiming a laser at a car. Yeah. And like that could, like, summon the missile down to the car. Then you immediately just turned and like aim the laser right in the face to somebody.

I was wanted to see if I could. There was a guy who's, like, wounded over there, and he's, like, reaching for his, like, pistol. I'm just like, oh, fuck this guy in particular. Like, you know, fucking scud missile to the gut. So, death-strandy, though. Death-strandy, yeah, I played a little bit more. I can't wait to get back to it. Very excited this morning.

Woke up, turned on both PS-4s, my travel PS-4 and home-E PS-4, to finally sink my trophies to the thing. I got 63% and I was like, oh, this is a platinum I'm going to get. Yeah. Yeah. So one thing that we didn't get to last week in the review, Greg, is get it a real concise take on what is your Twitter review of this game? You want me to read it off Twitter

because I put it up. Oh, I mean, if you want it. You can actually have to go back. I tweet too much. I mean, my Twitter review of this game is like I love this game. I love Death Stranding. I totally understand why other people don't. For me, it was a game that hit at the right time

and hit in the right ways. Like, you know, for me it is very much like legitimately. People think I'm joking when I say this. I'm not because I've seen so many reviews and people be like, it's hard recommend Death Stranding Boat? And I'm like, I don't think it is at all. I think my, the test is very simple. Does hiking in the rain sound like fun to you? Like in a video game form? Like, does that sound like something you would enjoy? And it's a yes or no binary decision. Because for me, like, for real, playing that game and wandering over the mountains and

wandering through the grass and just listening to the rain and carrying my thing. And like the gameplay being of how do I balance? How do I climb over that? How do I map myself out? All of that work for me. Yeah, what are my upgrades? Where do I get them? I think I would have liked the game more if it were just that. If you like you took out the mules and the BTs and all that stuff and it was just walking through. Mules and BTs I don't mind. I like the I like how that shakes up what I'm doing. I like that little bit of like oh fuck I wasn't expecting this even though mules you see coming a mile away. It's more like we were talking about the thing of getting towards the end there and they start making it more metal geary where it is like okay now I'm fighting something

I wish I wish this never happened. I wish Norman was very much like I'm just doing anti-personnel weaponry that won't kill you or something like that I don't know which I played it but again it's rubber bullets. I think if they were If they caught you less often and you were able to escape from them easier. Without any, like, actual combat scenarios, that would have been a much better, like, kind of... You're talking about BTs? BTs. Oh, yeah.

See, BTs, I felt like it was so rare that I did fight. Even, like, yesterday, Andy was trying to... Andy, I know talk to you about something he ran into it. Yeah. He was talking to me about fighting him, and I was just like, oh, like, yeah, I never really did that. Like, up until you get... There's a way you eventually, like, you can sever things. And I'm like, oh, okay, that'll do because I'm not really fighting it.

Otherwise, it was like, there they are. I'm going to go around this way. I'm going to do this. But again, it's how you play. You've been playing nonstop, you're saying. You kind of did it in a way that you're like, ugh, about it. Is that inaccurate? No, no, I'm not exhausted.

I'm just saying the game is not over for me. That's my exasperation. It will never end for you. No, no, I'm enjoying it. There's so much to play. I'm now getting nervous about. Did you make story progress? Oh, yeah, so I went from about 40 hours, let's call it, to 62 hours now.

So since the last game's cast, that's exactly how much more. I've put in. I think I've doubled the amount of chapter progress. I've gone through major, major story beats, and I'm approaching the end. I get the sense that the way I'm playing on hard mode again, and I have a few things to share on that, that are not spoilery, that I've figured out, you know, about if you

want to play that way. But I think I'm like 15 hours out, maybe. Maybe 20. I was talking to Greg. Which is shocking, because he defeated it, you know, about 37. But I was playing on normal. No, no. So, review-wise, though, I definitely went from that initial like it was so much it was a lot to take in because I was surprised and there was a lot of like heavy story moments that You know, for me, I don't like sitting there.

I went through the same thing in Red Dead to PC. We might talk about that. And I'm just like, I just, I like the story stuff, but I like, I want to get to the gameplay. And this game started with a lot, you know, in the beginning of story. And then you start walking around. And the upgrade path is slow at first. It's brutal. So anyway, long story short, as I have gone back to it, I have totally found myself.

Yeah, immersed in the world. The smell of it, you know, the atmosphere. I'm loving it. And I go back and I find myself wanting to do menial size. missions. I see stuff lying around and I'm like, I kind of want to go pick that out. That was what was so exciting for me coming back to it for like the couple hours I did the other night where it was like, oh cool, I just get to do this. And I know that sounds dumb, but like when you're trying to review it and I was trying to run into the next story mission. I was trying to get through the next thing.

And it was like, it was like, cool, let's load up. I am going there, but then that is over there and I'll actually make the beaten path. Oh, I found this thing. Okay, cool. Yeah. And so like, just no spoilers. I'm like totally know exactly what to do. Right. And I'm like trying to B-line in a mission. And there's like a couple side mission things that are just, I've never finished since about 40 hours ago that I have not let go.

To show you how OCD I am about this. You can just cancel them and get rid of the likes. It's not a big deal. But I'm like, I know where I put my gear. Like it's in a post box. And so I want to go back and do that. But I'm like struggling to not do it

to keep pushing forward. So meaning I wants to, but for the sake of like how big the game is, I find myself pushing through. But I think that's a good side, right? I'm willing to go do stuff that I'm like, I kind of just want to get some, maybe some upgrades, some likes. So anyway, I'm really liking it. Why do I like this game? Again, I probably said it last week, but I'll repeat it. It is like bleak and lonely and desolate.

And that's like the whole point of this. And it is a survival adventure terrain simulator. Like Greg is saying, it's definitely got, you know, you can get in some fights if you want, or you run into these ghosts and things happen. But that's not the most of it by any long shot. boss fights even and that's again by a long shot that's not the most of it. As someone that doesn't care about the story what do you think of the story? Do you like it? I was thinking going in and I was going to be like I don't understand

the marketing, I don't understand the baby I don't understand Kojima was wrong like what's going on but now that I've played it I'm like oh it totally has like a basic narrative I can understand. It's a very straightforward story and honestly like it went I actually appreciate that

is confusing and weird as it seems at first you're like oh this is going on. And I understand now, and so I'm sort of tracking towards the end with, I pretty much understand the world, and I think I said it last week, too, like, it starts to feel real. That's how immersive the game is. I feel, as crazy as the story

is, I start to feel like, this is kind of real to me. I'll be your Bibi. Yeah. So what was your thing about Hardmovie? Yeah, so anyway, I really like the game. Not everybody's going to like it, like we said, but I like games with cargo and stuff. I brought up Rebel Galaxy Outlaw, and, you know, that's

a game about delivering cargo. Yeah, real deal. So anyway, I'm playing on hard mode. I would want to put it out there if you're going in or you're already playing even. Consider flipping it on. You can flip it off at any time. You just restart your mission. I think it only affects combat, right?

No, so I figured out a few things. It definitely, I was talking to Greg about this yesterday, and I didn't do the science on it. So I'm like, all right, let me take the five minutes and just do it. So timefall, as an example, is a thing in the game, but, you know, rain deteriorates your gear without getting too deep into it. And so I was like, I'm, I was like, Greg, when I'm out in the rain, I'm like terrified. I'm like running, trying to find a shelter, trying to, I'm bringing canisters of spray. Like, you have this spray to, like, heal it.

And I was like, are you going through needing it all? He's like, that kind of. I'm like, I could just tell the way he was saying it. He wasn't running into it like I was. So anyway, long story short, it does twice as much damage on hard. So you start to really get geared damage, but that actually only affects your likes. You're not going to lose gear unless you're out in the rain for a long time. So anyway, that's one thing.

Definitely enemies and bosses. are harder, but instead of, you know, I think here's the thing you think about if you want to play in hard mode, and you get more likes for it as far as I can tell. It just feels more real. But if you want to go through a few attempts at a boss fight, it's more like that. I feel like, Greg, based on, or just tell me, how many tries did it take you on most bosses? One. Exactly.

I don't think I was very rare, if at all. Like, maybe you had a quick initial, like, wait, what's going to? Okay. I think the only time I died, I ran up supply. so I just couldn't kill it. Exactly. So to me, that's a meter that I said, wait a second. I know that it's not about the boss fights,

but that and some other stuff, I think you might appreciate hard mode. Mules, I particularly, maybe because I'm impatient, I find very difficult. I think the AI is bumped up, that it can sense you a lot easier. I didn't realize until after I beat the game that there's like a shoulder check move,

that like, you know the mules that block all your hits? You just hit him with that, then punch them, and that's it. I've only thought so many mules because they actually are kind of hard. Like, the game doesn't tell you this. It's only in the tips, menu. Yeah, I read, there's so many tips in the tips.

There's like 200 tips. But anyway, consider hard mode. The anniversary of too many cooks today. But I really do genuinely recommend, like, why not try hard mode? If you don't like it, just change it. You know, like, why not? I did it in God of War, too, and I loved it because for me, it forces you to really start thinking about your loadouts and your gear in a way that maybe you won't necessarily

have to do normal. But it's going to take you while. So if you're worried, it probably does add, you know, I don't know if Greg was playing the way he did, maybe it would have added 10 hours. I don't know. I bet it would have. So something to consider. But anyway, I'm really digging the game.

Can't wait to finish it and hopefully share more on that. But yeah, I really like it. I'm excited to get back to it. That's my thing. And I can't wait to see structures appearing, hopefully, from other players. And really, because we played on a limited social network. And how is that going to change now? Yeah.

But it's out, you know, as of this recording tonight. Yeah. So is it stuff? Yeah. Moving on from Death Stranding. Normally we talk about all the games we've been playing and stuff. But there's a topic of the show that I've been wanting to get to since August 13. And I keep having in my notes, and we have been able to get there.

I feel like today is the right time to do it. Thank you very much, Barry. Can you bring this up to show the people? PlayStation UK tweeted out. Don't think about it. Just answer. What's the first game that comes to mind for each PlayStation generation so far go? Don't think about it.

That's tough. Now, here's the thing. Especially after you guys are answering. I want to take this and turn it into the podcast form, which is let's think about it. Let's disgusting. But I didn't want to prep you on this. I always like looking like a courses. Discussed to be here. Let's start with PlayStation 1.

Metal Gear Solid. Yep, same. Metal Gear Solid. Final Fantasy 7, I said. Bob Ness 7. Crash Bandicoot. Three. Warped. Where are, would you name?

Yeah, my quote. You're naming more than one? Well, this is the podcast debate, Fran. God, Fran. Besides, though, is there any other things that we would say are in? For PS1? I got a question for, yeah, you guys. What was that one?

I thought it was called one or something. something. It was a side-scrolling, like, shooter game that was really cool, but it was like it stood alone. It was called One or something. You guys don't remember this? No, sorry. Can't find him. You would recognize you saw it. I'm going to have to look it up.

It was called the name, like, one. I mean, it definitely isn't the answer to this question. A little Contra-esque. But no, but it was because it was around launch period, and I just remembered hopping into that, and I would have never played it otherwise. So, that one does stand out to me for whatever reason. But it was MGS, like, by far. Yeah, because I feel like, twisted

Unless it's on two, but... Two would be out there as well with that type of thing. Tech and three, that's a good one. I'm trying to, like, go through the place something classic in my head. I'm like, how do these games are great? Castlevania Symphony Night,

but I feel like that's a little bit too obscure. No, no way. I mean, it's great, but I don't... It's a famous game. Yeah, but I think compared to some of the other, like, I wouldn't say put that over any of the ones. Yeah, MGS Final Fantasy 7 would have been for me, like, by far. What about Resident Evil 2?

Yeah. Just putting that out there. Okay. Okay. All right, Barry. Boss baby coming through in the club. Any of the Resident Evil's, yeah. Yeah, best thing, though, are you one or two? In terms of just iconic for the thing?

Yeah. No, even one, man, because it was... I know. But, I mean, I was still raised with that, all that stuff, you know? Like, my stepdad had a PS1 and PS2, and I played a bunch of those games. Not all the way through, but those were the games that were stood out to me as a little kid from out of the era. I feel like Spiro's up there as well, but I would put Crash 3. I mean, it entirely is. Look at the sales, Greg. Yeah, I know Skylanders is. done real well. That's how it's Skylighters.

But I do feel like it is between Crash Warped, Final Fantasy 7, and Metal Gear Solid. Grand Treesmo for me as well, for sure. It never did much for me, and still doesn't do much for it. Yeah, but historically for PlayStation, right? Are we judging by Impact or, like, what we think is actually? I mean it was like, that what's the first game to come to mind for each PlayStation generation so far?

I feel like... Yeah, that answer begins and ends at Final Fantasy 7. Yeah. It's maybe not even my favorite game for that console, but it is the one that I think of most... Because that's the game I bought a PS1 for. I remember, specifically there was a game player's preview.

The headline was, it'll be the greatest game ever made, and it's only for PlayStation. I'm like, fuck my N-64 owning idiot self. Like, why do I not have this game? Fuck Conquers Bad Ferda. I don't need this shit. So I was like, oh God, I have to have this game, because it's going to be the best game of all time.

It's up there, for sure. That's a solid list. If we had to come up with... There's a lot more. If we had to come up with the top five. Okay. PlayStation 1. I'm just like, what five games defined PlayStation 1?

Oh, shit. I can't do that off top of my head because I just like, I mean, there's just like so many games. How do people? PlayStation period by now. Like, meaning I know we're already missing stuff. Of course. You're going to miss stuff. Yeah.

How do people feel about the Tomb Raiders? I'm not willing to do it because I, I, I mean, like, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Final Fantasy tactics. See, perfect example. No. Yes.

What? not saying best games. Okay. It's games that defined the console. I would say Furno Fentany Tactics defines that console. I would say that it's either seven or tactics. You go seven. Ah, by 100,000%.

And, like, Tomb Raider, absolutely. Yeah. Like, the fact that we missed that is a cultural icon. Yeah. But that game was demonstrated what PlayStation could do. The power of the way. Like, it looked, you know, because it did 3D, but unlike Mario, it was a very realistic look, right?

And at that time, that was a realistic look. really big deal. I mean, it came out the same month of the Mario 64, which was kind of not great for it. Because, like, it was this tank control platformer game versus Mario 64, which is not tank controlled. It was one of the very first examples

of, you know, direct analog movement. You're still cool, man. Yeah. But the camera was definitely so much worse in Tomb Raider. Yeah, trying to swim in Tomb Raider wasn't great. But that game, Team Rader 2 refined it to an extent that I believe that game is way better. Like, that was, I feel like the first Assassin's Creed 2 style jump

over a previous game. Two Raider, one had the mansion, though, with the freezer and the butler. Two did. Two? Yeah, okay, then two's the answer for Tomb Raider. Was two on PS1? Why are you locking them in there? It's fun, dude.

Why are you doing that? One, two and three were on PS1, four was on PS2. What was the name before? Angel of Darkness. I didn't like that one. It was a bad game. If I recall correctly, they cut half the game before they shipped. Like, there were several levels that were supposed to be in it, but I just wanted a sequel,

so they're like, we're going to do a sequel next year, so they just cut half the game out. then they never placed a sequel. Yeah. Yeah. What else you got, friend? No, I was just trying to make the list. I'm like, it's got to be Final Fantasy 7. It's got to be MGS.

It's got to be Tomb Raider. Periap. I feel like we have those three. What are the other two we're putting in the list? Crash 3, I'm telling you. I would put Parapa over Crash 3. Look at the sales numbers alone. If we're going by what defined generation, that was when Sony was weird.

And Sony being weird was Parapa. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. It's not just sales. It doesn't hold up. Is that just sales? But I mean, it's like, you can't think about PlayStation

without PlayStation 1 without Crash. Just culturally, right? Like, Parapa the Rapa, like, that comes up nowadays because it's funny and it was goofy and people. Like, Crash is still like a household date, man. Yeah, just saying. No, I totally. I think you're overestimating how much of the household name Crash is.

I never got into. I think you're, I think you're majorly under about it. That remaster sold well, but for a long time, that thing was in the doldrums. I'm not just talking about the remake, though. Like sales of the original crash. He's also the... But if we're just going by sales

and Grand Tarismo, it's like the top of his choice. What's another game that maybe had those... Because pre-rendered cutscenes was, like, one of the defining things of PlayStation. Was there, like, another game that did that? Square Nx was kind of... Like Tomb Raider and Final Fantasy.

I mean, not Square NX. Square was doing a lot of that at the time. But Resident Evil had pre-rendered stuff. I'm trying to think, is there something out. That was one of its biggest things, like, just cutting to, like, the realism of something.

Twist and Metal had the live action once. Silent Hill. Not pre-runnered cutscenes, but that's a game that I would use to define the PS1 generation. But I feel like with that, it's that or Resident Evil, and you gotta give it to Resident Evil.

What about? They're different enough games, but this is limited by us limiting it to five. Because I could stay here all day and list these are games that define the PS1 generation to me, it would be a list of like 25.

I think you're right that you should have fighter on there, but I don't know that it's Tekken, like which... It's Tekin 3. Yeah. It would either be Tech and 3 or Alpha 3. Which Street Fighters

were on that at the time, any good, you know? The EX games, which are now. And Alpha games, yeah, Alpha games were good. Oh, wait, did it have, well, Dreamcast had Marvel versus Capcom, did PlayStation. It had X-Men's versus Street Fighter. But it had the worst version. Yeah. Yeah, it's just Tekken

three, if we're talking, just, just fighters. I don't have anything against Tekken. It's just that, actually now looking back, it's kind of a shame that it was, again, nothing against Tekken, but when I think of, you know, the greatest fighters of all time, it tends to be a street fighter, a Mortal Combat Now. Fighting games were in a weird place there. Yeah, Tekken is always weird.

If we had a name Dreamcast, then yes, it would be Soul Calibur, but... Anyway, but yeah, maybe Tekin's on there because I bet you that had some of the pre-rendered. Absolutely. It did. Endings. Which used to be a saying that you'd buy a home video game version of an arcade game four. And actually, Grand Treesmo, like, that would be a pretty darn good list right there. Grand Tresma, too, I guess.

That was on there, absolutely. Let me pull up. I would have to bump Crash off. I would say Ray, RISR. There's no... Crash Bannacu is not getting kicked off of this fucking Lindengrid. I would agree with that.

No, okay. Hold on. Meaning if you had to make a choice because I'm not kicking off Grand Turismo, that absolutely is so defining for PlayStation. In fact, think of how many people bought it and the wheel.

See, but I would argue, I would argue that Grand Turismo 3 on PlayStation 2. It represents the PS2 more than Grand Trismo at all is for PS 1. And Grand Trismo 3 out of it. If we want to start talking about it. Three was when it was like at it.

It's pinnical. PlayStation 2 was, insanely, like insane. So you can't compare the two, meaning on PlayStation, though. You can, by definition of what we're doing. If you want to go look at sales, Grand Turismo, absolutely sold a crap ton.

If you wanted to argue, like, representative of the PlayStation brand, I personally, I don't know that I would give this, like, a overall objective thing, I feel like Ridge Racer, I align myself better. Ridge Racer. Yeah, it was the launch game, like the, I think of, like, Ridge Racer 3

as a more important place of the game. I totally think of the most. I don't like Sim Racereracerer. So Grand Treesend just never did it for me. Let's see. Got to get your license, dude. All right. So the list so far right now, just like games

that are potentially here that I want to break down. I want to get to this five. Crash Bandicoot 3, Final Fantasy 7, Grand Turismo 2, Resident Evil 2, Tomb Raider 2, Parapa the Rapa, Ridge Racer. Which one? Let's say three. Tech and 3.

Metal Gear Solid. Castlevania, I'll just put it on there. Yeah, actually, absolutely. It's crazy that Symphony Night was on, I would absolutely put it. Am I missing one there that we were talking about? That's why I'm literally looking at. How do we feel about Parapa still sticking on? I feel like it's like when you look at this, you need to kind of compare the things.

And then that's when it's like which one is more iconic. And it's like Parapa versus crash. That's not a question. In my head, I was going through the play shoot in All-Stars characters. I'm like, holy shit, this roster sucks ass. There's no one for the BASS. Why does it suck? Why does it suck? There's one a mission.

There were tons of emissions. There was tons of emissions. Isaac Clark, but they fixed it and eventually put it in there. They did. They did. The DMC. Dante was the one of it was clamoring for. So GTA 2 was that. No, they were a PC first, right? GTA did not hit big into, I mean, didn't have

relevancy. Get out of here, Framing. You're reading Wikipedia. No, I'm like double. No, I was trying to look. GTA2 was on me. It's not a Google Doc. I can.

You make it a Google Doc and share with me. I can see it while I talk? Yes. Yes, I can. Yeah, I feel like the list is pretty good there. Well, it is good, but we have to get it to five. I mean, that's going to take, like, hours just to do the PlayStation 1. We might want to do one generation of show to.

I don't think FM7 leaves that list, period. No. Yeah. In my opinion, looking at this, hold on, Greg, I want to send it to you. I was going to say Chrono Trigger was... It's at the bottom of this. Yeah, and Chrono Cross as well. The Chrone Trigger...

It relates to the PS-1 version. Was it on SNenest? first? Yeah, it was. It was a late S-E-S game, like 96? Yes, Snacks. Freddy. Sorry, kiddo. SNS is a very common term. No, it's not a... It's 100%. I'm sorry. Greg, you want to tell the kids? It's a common term, but people are wrong.

It is common, it's just a dumb way to say that. Yes, you know what I mean? S-N-E-S. How many, like, syllables do you want to get into here? I want to get into four. So is it okay to say N-S? It's weird. Yeah, that's a character in game. I say N-S. I say N-S. I say N-N-S. I say N-E-S. I say N-W. I say N-S. I think of that one game that he's from. Earthbound, yeah. Really left an impression on you. Help me out in the YouTube comments once it gets up there,

leave it. How many of you use that term? I use all the terms for that. I'm sure people use the term. I'm just like, they're wrong. That's why they should all be acceptable. And they're wrong. Language is fluid, but not that fluid.

Me just for us. I love friends. So, Greg, you're looking at this list here? Are we missing anything? Well, probably, yeah. Hell yeah. I'm sure we're missing a lot. I'm sure the chats wouldn't.

I noticed we didn't talk about wipeout, which technically... But you're back... This is why I fucking every time they'd be like time for a top 25 list of IG? I'm like, oh! Like, what are we trying to build? Are we trying to build our thing? Are we trying to say, we're putting this onto a gold-based and shooting at the space saying here's what the PS1 is?

I mean, like... The iconic PlayStation 1 game. See, that's the thing. There was an... There's an online outlet this week that put out their top 100 games of the decade, and they couldn't decide when reading that list whether it's impact or quality. So like the top 10 is a makeup of like, okay, I guess Fortnite and Minecraft are also like...

Dude, this is the most impactful games. This is such an easy list to make. This is impact. This list is solely going by impact. It's not quality. Impact can be defined on odd ways, but... Castlevania is Symphony of the Night. Metal Gear, solid.

Tomb Raider 2. Resident Evil 2. And Final Fantasy 7. That's your list. Metroidvania, what do you think the second part of that is? Well, I get that, but what was the first half. Symphony of the Night was like an incredible and... I mean, it's a top 100 classic game, so it's absolutely on the list.

All right. We'll do it this way. We're going through them, and we're going to see if it's a unanimous inn. All right? Castlevania Symphony of the Night. So what do you mean? You're picking five of his list here. Don't even say Ridge Racer.

I would say throw off Rapp and throw off Ridge Racer. Thank you. Let's just start cutting the fat. A lot of stake going on here, right? But I need to get the fat off this steak, and I need a roll in some seasoning. You know what I'm talking about? Give me that butter. So, middle gear solid.

Unanimous, come on. Unanimous, we all say it. Okay, so that's one. That's also easy, too, if you do that. And then obviously... I just realize it's also an audio podcast, so we need to actually say what we're voting for and not just raise our hands. Yeah.

So Miller, you're solid. Final Fantasy seven. Yes. Yes. Cool. Yeah, 100%. And here's where it gets tough now. And I would argue three slots left.

The next obvious one is Crash Bandicoot 3. Why three? Why not one? Because the answer is three. Like that's my thing, though. So now we're talking about iconic, though, right? Or an impact, right? Wouldn't Crash 1 have the more impact? No, because it was Crash. Fine, make it three. Are you going to vote at the table? Who's voting on Crash?

Here's my thing. It's like, I am definitely voting for Crash. Yes. Okay, that's only two people so far. Imran? I'm not. Thank you. Same votes as Cynthia in the night, Tim.

We're going to do money. But Barrett's the tiebreaker. Hold on. Oh, Barrett's voting. He's only tiebreaker. It's not about voting. It's not about voting. I'm trying to see what are the unanimous ones.

Okay. Okay. But that's what I'm trying to point out. It's not unanimous so we can come back to it. Yeah, exactly. I think from here and up, though, we've already got two. That's the last question. Do any of us fully think, like unanimously think,

Grand Charisma 2, Resident Evil 2, Tomb Raider 2, Teck and 3, Castlevania and... R.E2 and Teck and 3 are ones I would fight for them. I would say RE2, yeah. RE2, we should vote on. I fight for Tech and 3. So let's do Resident Evil 2 because I guarantee you that that's going to be unanimous, right? Or except for you.

I think he's easy to go to go to the office, man. But fine, let's see. Can we do our... You know, I mean... It's like an obvious one. He's afraid it's gonna knock off Crash. No, I'm not. There's no fear.

Crash is hitting. Like, that's so crazy to think otherwise. See, suck on it. But my bigger thing is, I think for me, it's either Ari or Tomb Raider. No way, it's both.

I would not separate the two. What do you mean? No. What are you thinking there, Barrett? I think they're both like, I think they're both type top five for most iconic for the PS1.

I hate this. I hate this. Yeah, this is already a shit. You know what? You're right, Barry. He is right. I would say Crash, Final Fantasy 7, RE2, Tomb Raider 2, and Metal Gear Solid. Everything except for Crash was spot on.

Grand Triismo, Tekin, and Castlevania are all iconic, but the others are more iconic. So Final Fantasy 7, Grand Chorresma 2, Resident Evil 2, and Tomb Raider, you're suggesting... Oh, no, no, no, wait, sorry. That's not all predom... Is anyone going to argue against RE2 or Tomb Raider making a list? No.

If I'd argue for either one of those? it would be R2 over Tomb Raider, but... And okay, so Rhee 2's a... So far, we all like those two, right Greg? Yeah, I'm good. Greg Miller. Tomb Raider 2. Yeah. Because I'm putting it in. I mean, again, so we're going by impact?

You can't say it where I'm iconic. I can't... Then yes. Then shut up, everybody. Fuck yeah. You can't me. Laura Croft was on fucking magazine covers. What do you got to get away from? This is back in the day when my fucking kids were playing with sticks and balls, and here comes Laura Croft, you know what I mean? That she was everywhere.

right to take issue with your criteria, which is on clear. You're saying impact, and then you're saying what's the difference? What is the difference between those? Because Impact, Symphony of the Night, absolutely is impactful. But iconic? Okay, not compared to Crash at the time.

Totally. That's at the time. I'm saying your criteria is. The question that started at all, Fran, is what's the first game to come to mind for each PlayStation? I know, that's Twitter is tearing us apart. See, you decided to do top five. By the way, I know I'm being super obnoxious. It's because I thought

that's what we're doing now. Oh, sure. Oh, yeah. If you didn't know everybody, this is just a character frame does. He doesn't do this with every fucking decision you make and then leave you on a fucking PlayStation 4 all alone with Borderlands.

What I was trying to get at, by the way, was if we stick to the original goal, like, are we all going to agree it's that Metal Gear salad? Like, we haven't even done the initial thing. What is the single game out of the list?

Not the top five. I mean, that's too hard. Oh, you need to make five, I see. I can easily say it's Metal Gear salad for me. If you have to choose just one out of that entire list we made.

You'd mind for that generation, it was mostly JRPGs for me. That was what I was just playing. I don't think it's easily Metal Gear solid. I think it's a really close race between Final Fantasy and Metal Gear and... I would also include Crash and Tomb Raider for that. Lara Croft, man.

She's on magazines. No, he's right. Crash Bandicoot. He danced and stuff. No, Tim, like, I'm with you on the Crash train. But I would say, like, yeah, Final Fantasy, way more iconic for that platform. I would even put a RE2 above Crash in that sense. I think Crash is definitely top five.

But I think that's true. Which remakes sold better. R2 or Crash? Crash. No. R.2. Just go play Mario Car already. Yeah, you already already rescinded your 7.0.

Yeah, we already call it. I love Mario Car. It's good. That sounds great. All right, cool. Teams like having a meltdown. I'm not having a meltdown. What are you talking about?

PS2 might actually be more contentious. So let's get into it. PlayStation 2. Metal or Solid 2. Literally. But you put slash 3 because I know I'm going to lose that argument probably. Devil May Cry. Grand Theft Auto 3.

Devil may cry. God of fucking war. Devil May Cry 3. God of War 2. Yeah, absolutely. Metal Gear Solid 2, God of War 2. Kingdom Hearts. Final Fantasy 10.

I would put 10 over Kingdom Hearts. Only. I put Kingdom Hearts 2. Pursona 4. See, I think more of Percent of 4 for... Vita. Of course. You're a man of culture and taste.

Yeah, I mean, again, these aren't our favorite games. Shadow of the Colossus. Yeah, you have to have on there. Yeah. Ratchet and clank? It still just doesn't hold a candle in terms of... Three. The impact to, like,

Metal year and Final Fantasy still, like, you know, so huge. I would say Ration and Clank to spin. That was a very important game. Which one? Up Your Arsenal? Which one you put on there? Yeah, I would say up your arsenal. That series was very important for kids my age to get really interested in the PS2.

I think that was like a big one. Metal Gear Solid 3 is legitimately one of the best games of all time. But I feel like Two is more iconic. Yeah. Two defines the PlayStation. I mean, there's been more big boss games than Solid Snake games at this point. Yeah, but still, like two was like a cultural phenomenon. You know what I mean?

Oh, it's monstrous. It's coming out, the people buying games just to play the demo of it. It's hard to argue, but really quality perspective. I think three is better, but that's not the question. Yeah, that's not our list. Exactly. To me, honestly, Metal Gear Solid 2 is like almost the easiest choice by far. Even like Final Fantasy 10 was baby, it's not Metal Gear Solid 2.

Are we putting a burnout game on this list? I'm just saying. No, because the favorites, absolutely. Once we get to PS3, I'm going to put a burnout game on there. Paris? Yeah. Looking at this list right now, to me, the ones that I'm like, there's no debating. Wait, right now the list is this.

And then you're going to tell everybody, right? Metal Gear Solid 2, Metal Gear Solid 3, Devil May Cry, God of War 2, GTA 3, which even there I was gonna say San Andreas I was gonna say Vice City or San Andreas. San Andreas would probably be the one I'd say Vice. Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy 10, Shadow of the Colossus in one of the worst

spellings I've ever seen from Tim. Whatever. Ratchet and clink up your Arsenal. Shadow of Teh Colossus. I think just like just try to yeah get pick one of the GTAs because it's got to be on this stop. San Andreas is the most like But again it's not our favorite.

it's like the most it's simple it's vice city it's the game that's sold the most I would say but I still think Vice City is the most yeah that's like PS2 Grand Theft Auto like GTA 3 was like it opened up a whole new world and Vice City was just like holy

This is on real and Tommy Verceding Totally exactly the 5 was so cool Everything about it I think Phil Collins Yeah Yeah I think that I was if I'm giving the GTA The Nod for the GTA slot I would say by City as well.

Remember the commercial. And I Of course. It was a good commercial. You're right, God of War II, man. I mean. The farewell. You know what I mean?

The farewell. The swan song for the PlayStation 2. PS3 was already there. Nobody was fucking buying it. So. The two that I've bolded are MGS2 and GTA Vice City. I want you to get off your ass

in bold God of War II. Yeah. Because I'll be dead in the ground before we do this list without a god for a woman. I agree on that. It's not going to make a list. I just want to shout out Tony Hawk's

Underground. Oh shit, yeah. Underground. I love you. Hell yeah. Oh my God. We skipped. Pro Skater 2. It's going back. It's going back. No, yeah. That's one. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2. I would argue with that, but

it was dream catch for me. So I was like that is such an amazing version of it. It's a PlayStation. I know, I know. It was. I put it on 864 first. I played it on 864 first. I'm trying to get you to put the crazy taxi for PS2 on the PS2 list. I thought of that, and I avoided it just for... I think compared to the other stuff, there's no question. But, yeah, so...

I feel like Kingdom Hearts goes above Fall of Fantasy 10. It was a more impactful game, for sure. Has such a rabid fan... Yeah, oh, yeah. I would put Kingdom Hearts. It was for a long-time square's best-selling game in the U.S. Yeah, my bigger question is, is do we put one or two? And I'd say one just because it's like...

One? I don't want to say sucks. It does suck, though. But you're not rating it. Two is a much better game. What was the height of the craze? Probably two. Because, like, I think, well, I don't know.

Two is better in almost every single way. In terms of craze, I think there was more craze around one, because there was too big of a gap until two came out. Yeah. And it was too late in the PS2? I mean, one was that like, oh my God, Phine and Disney went different things. Yeah.

But. It almost doesn't matter. I feel like either one of that. Two would just say straight up better game. Yeah. I would, I want DMC3 on there. D.M.C. 3 created the modern character action game.

Yeah, it did. But even then, I would say I'd say, I'm like, I'm like, one is more iconic than three, though three's a better game. They're different enough. One is very Resident Evil-like in nature. Three is, three created the actual things that we see in modern action games. I don't think we'd get games like, say,

modern God of War without DMC3 existing. Yeah. I don't think we would have got God of War without DMC1 existing. Yeah. I would fight for three. over one. But granted, it's also,

we're looking at one more spot. First, you got to decide if DMC's on the list at all. I mean. Yeah,

my thing is DMC versus God of War. Yeah, I can think it's... Yeah. It was big, but it was no God of War. Like, in terms of...

I mean, as a character action fan for me, DMC3 run circles around God of War. Yeah, but we're not rating them. You got to be, like, what was... If you put every PlayStation

fan in the room, this is what it is, right, Tim? And you just said, you know, cheer, what would be the loudest? It's like kind of that, right? Yeah.

The first thing, and you're like, I feel like DMC, it would be big, but then you'd say God of War. Kratos, blades of chaos, you need to cloned out, yeah. I just feel like it's a big difference. But I agree that God of War. You totally get cloned out. Trust me, right? God of War II was just amazing.

It was massive, like, at the time. There was tons of hype around it. So then, right now we have... MGS2, God of War, too. That's Franz Clause, too, isn't it? Is that God of War II? GGAVye, Kingdom Hearts. So we have one more spot.

What starts on the list? That I would give to Final Fantasy time. I would give the Shadows. I would go Shadow the Colossus. Art, Tim. Do you remember it? Yeah. It's a tough call.

Ten was absolutely like, you know. Final Fantasy 10. That's the one, Blitzel of Closses. Put them in a room of cheers. Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah. Yeah, like I love Shadow, but I feel like we're rating.

Yeah, we're raiding. It was impactful on game design and... What? 10? And artistic. No, no, no, shadow. Because 10, like, the only game at Ethan was 13 was 13 and 13 sucked. No, but 10 was just a monster at the time.

Absolutely, that was, it was like 10 as well. Like, it was just a big deal. I remember everything about it. The first PS2. And yeah, like, Wittsball. Like, absolutely. Yeah. I don't think Blitzball made any real cultural impact.

Like, I'm not going to rate the games. How dare you? Yeah, I'm not rating them. Put keeping the thing and then do Blit Jek shot every time. Cheers in the room. Exactly. I said cheers in the room. 10's going to win.

Yeah, I agree. And, like, looking at the other ones, it's like, Ratch and Clank, great game. and they're awesome, but like, that's where it starts to lose it. We're like, they didn't have that crash factor. Yeah, that's fair. And again, to illustrate it, I'd way rather vote for Shadow and play Shadow myself. Yeah. Not that I didn't like, you know, I liked what, Tim.

All right, let's see. What are we missing PS2 games? We're missing some, but I don't know how we, they would. Well, Resonimo 4 is a port. The Bouncer. It don't feel like. It would. I feel it more like a game.

It was a game to game. It was. 100%. Like, it did come out there. I'm going to throw this out here. This might be the wrong crowd, wrong system. Bully? Great game.

Bolly was talked about a lot. But I mean GTA. Yeah, that's fair. Yep. Like, there's a number of these games I have put on this list, or put on a list, just when we're doing it at five. I know. Yeah, you got to start drowning the children, you know?

Dron those fucking... Need for speed underground. I'm just looking at best selling PS2 games. Yeah. Wow, Simpsons hit runs way higher than I'd expect. Oh, I bet. On that list. Did well.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't fuck it with cool, Greg. That's really funny. All right. That was great. Interesting.

Yeah, okay. The Medal of Honor games were big then. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. They were big on PS1 though as well. That was when we started feeling like, oh God, World War II fatigue. Why is every game about World War II?

It turned out like, oh, God, now we want to get back to a little bit. Grand Trismo 3. Oh, yeah, yeah, you made a big deal with. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we probably should put that back out there. Three is one of the best-selling games in the PS-Dain. If not the best, I think. Grand Triismo 3 is one of those games

that everybody plays. played even if they didn't like racing games where like you at least rented it. Yep. To be like, oh my God, these fucking grapples. I had a copy of it out remember. Why? Smugglers run. I thought it's kind of fun. You dude, I think about that game. That was a launch game.

Matt in 2000. Was it called Fantasion? Is that the fireworks? Here's a question. Do you think we would get World of Warcraft without Final Fantasy 11? Yeah. I do. Wendy?

They must have been working. 11 came out 2003. You must have been working around the same time, right? So. But that's like, would you, I don't know. For sake of argument here. Without Warcraft and Diablo? And I want some, I want some arguments from you, Greg Miller.

Sure, what's that way? The six we have right now. MGS2, God of War II, GTA Vice City, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy 10, Grand Turismo 3. So we need to bounce one? One needs to get bounced. Bounce Final Fantasy 10? What are you thinking, around of those? Read them again?

MGS 2, God of War 2 GTA Vice City, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy 10, Grand Turismo 3 I feel like if you're going to It's similar to the elements we've had before It's either got to be Kingdom Hearts or it's got to be Final Fantasy 10 And the iconic next I'd leave up to all of you I remember starting Final Fantasy 10 to be like, I don't like this game

And I remember a lot of people, I thought not liking it Is it revered now? Yeah, people like it. I think it's tough but I do think what Kingdom Hearts did at the time and people thought it, I recall people think it would be impossible and wasn't going to work and it was just amazing and Drew and all these fans so I think it is iconic

like you're saying like the house is you're like wait kingdom arts that's when it started you're like yeah like I love Final Fantasy but I'm like I'd bounce it because of that like it was someone put a good recommendation in the chat and I'm just going to throw this out here I know we're putting the PS2 list together

who was? I should get credit I should get credit if you missed Tyler Wallace any of the guitar heroes oh shit Woo, that's a... Is that, was that on two or three? Here's my thing.

I would argue it doesn't make the list because I don't think anybody ties guitar heroes to a specific console. There's fair. Like, if you're gonna argue it for like games of the generation. Yeah, that's a fair point. Like, I feel like that's,

there's nobody that's like, oh man, PS2 guitar hero. You know? Yeah. My favorites were on PS2, but... I don't associate it with PS2, but if you ask me, where did you start playing guitar here?

would be PS2. But the start of that question is, what are games do you associate with PS2? I don't think it beats any of those on the list already. Yeah. Yeah. Either timed exclusives or exclusives,

which is why we, you know, we're not seeing Splinter Sal, you know, we're not seeing Prince of Persia, which are totally iconic games of those generations. Yeah, but Splinter Cell I'd give to Xbox. I do associate it. I do. Where do you associate Prince of Persia?

But that's my point. Prince of Persia, I think, is another one. I was agnostic. Same thing, yeah. For me, it was GameCube. For me, you know. Okay. And I think that Splinter Cell was only on Xbox.

That's correct, yeah. Yeah. It was a timed exclusive. Yeah, yeah. I was talking about PlayStation, so. Okay. Yeah, I would bounce Final Fantasy 10 personally of those two. I think that's insane, but this list is just so good.

I mean, over Kingdom Hearts, what are you going to do, Tim? I mean, that's the problem. What else would you do? It's like all of these are so. He's thinking about God of War II, isn't he? Get him, Greg. Oh, honestly. Oh, my God.

If I were personally making that list, I would have cut God of War II. Now, I guess. You would have two? Now here's things, like, Grand Turismo, to me, it's between Grand Turismo of God of War II. But I know how strong way you guys feel about God of War II. I would respect you more if you had decided

to cut Grand Triismo instead of God at War. For this. You've lost its respect. Not that I would. The finalist, right now. It's Y genre wise meaning. MGS2, God of War II, GTA Vice City, Kingdom Hearts, and Grand Turismo 3.

Now... I would have walked out of this fucking set if you cut God of War II. I don't know. I forgot about... ego. Let's go into... We know we brought up Shadow. I think it's Let's go in. Let's put you to bring it up. Hayes. Sure. Untold...

Hayes. Lair. I feel like... I have judgment. Let's... Put it on you right now. Sure. Miss. PS3 himself. Give me your list to start with. Okay. I mean, uncharted obviously. I would say two

slash three. I know. I would put two. Here's the thing is like, I'll just say two. We'll just be done with it. All right. We don't have to sit here. It doesn't mean you think it's better. Drag me through the fucking street. I think it's iconic. Well, I mean,

you know, the real fucking rub of it is that if just fucking Roper would have been a man and give an uncharted 2 a 10, it would have been fine. We all would have been happy. We all would have been a big deal.

I respect you. Yeah, I see what? You put uncharted 2 on there. I would say infamous. I'm just rattling things off now. Everybody don't start stab me in the face. Yeah, yeah, just start. Do you like one or two better?

Oof, that's a great question. That's why I respect you so much. Two is undoubtedly a better game. Mechanics-wise and Air Introversal. Infamous number one was just so awful. with the comic book story. Like I loved the panels and I love the way it told the story.

So I mean like, again, I think it's a GTA situation, kind of a toss-up. Do you want the gameplay or do you want the story to be how it is? But I really miss infamous one. I really wish they would. I'm just infamous.

For me, it's like the ice powers made to virtual so much better. Yep, no, totally. And that's the thing is I totally get it and understand it. And I like new Moray more than Empire City in terms of diversity. I forgot to do this before we jump to PS3.

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that doesn't agree that it should have two Nottie Dog games. I'm not being quiet because I'm like, I can't think of any. I'm like, I'm like, I'm just running through my head on what I want to Red Dead Red Dead Redemption at all? Yes, Red Dead redemption a thousand percent. Thank you very. Was that exclusive? No. No. See, I played it on Xbox. But like it doesn't resonate for me. Well, these don't have to be exclusive. They don't have to. Right now we're just

I don't feel like a. And this is also was GTA. Was GTA 4? GTA 4 and 5 were on this, but I wouldn't, like, I think GTA 5, like, almost transcends any console, like, specific thing at this point. I feel like, Grand Theft Auto lost its, like, console voice after the PS2. Wait, 5 lost on, I thought 5 was... No, it was 3? That's the end of the generation. I mean, that's on the list.

Yeah, I would put Red Dead 2 or Red Dead 1, like, more associated with PS3 than... I think it's crazy that it's this difficult to come up with. MGS4 is by far the most PlayStation game I can think of. Yeah, but again, here we are back to why I have such like a... A little big planet here. PTSD about this is like, I've for years fought to keep Metal Gear Solid 4 off of any top 25 pieces. No, I'm not saying it's a great game. I know, I know.

It's not top list. It's iconic list. It's associating. Even iconic, I feel like that's the one that like isn't. You don't know what I mean? It isn't, it isn't. It's such an argument, you know? Like, I bought my PS3 for that game, but that...

The gun metal. And like, I associate... Oh, it was hot. A gun medal piece four. We got a pretty good list, so. I don't think we do at all. Uncharted 2 and Last of Us, to me, they both have to be on the list. Could we just talk about that?

I mean, yeah. Because that'd be two out of five. I feel like they're so different. It's not our normal thing. It's not our normal thing. Like, there can only be one of like this thing. Would you say out of five on the list that they have, they both have to be on it? Yeah.

There you go. You've knocked out 40% of your list. I get that, but I feel like the last three. Modern Warfare. Oh. It wasn't PlayStation. I would not associate that. Yeah, that's a PlayStation 4 game.

I was just playing the other room. Also for, it was. It was a PC thing at the time. In my mind, it was iconically more PC. I don't know. I felt like that one kind of transcends all barriers. And everyone who had any of those consoles that could play the game was like, no fucking, yeah, modern warfare.

Yeah, but I would even say, like, I'm with you where it's like it transcends. But I can see an argument for it being a 360 game because Xbox Live. It's kind of hard to pull this away from like game in the general. Because now we're trying to get into a thing where the consoles were less defined. Yeah. So it's only by their first party software that they actually like. Right. And that's why I think it's different.

difficult to name games that are iconically tied to PSP. Right, because I don't want to be pulling like Heavenly Sword into this or something like that. You only got to name five. I think it's easy actually. But are we trying to do... Because like Dead Space, but I don't think Dead Space again is... Dead Space is agnostic. Dead Space was everywhere.

Dead Space is life. Yeah, I played it on Xbox. So it just didn't resonate as a PlayStation thing for... Little Big Flack. Yeah, I brought a little big plan. I brought him a little big plan. Yeah. Sack Boy was like, for sure, the mascot for a long long time.

Sony was very much trying to push it that way. Yeah. But it worked. They nailed it. Home. PlayStation Home. Long-lived Jack Beasner. Yep.

Did you ever watch that? We have cool friends that did with Jack Beaster? Oh, I didn't get to watch it. He brings you up a lot and, like, shit and all over you. I love Jack. Yeah, no, we love it. If we're going to go by iconic and not necessarily sales, demon souls.

Ah, that's a great poll. Great pull. Yeah, I was looking at Demon Souls. Because it wasn't that an exclusive? Yeah. Sony published in Japan, but then they declined to publish in America. See, I would put it on an influentialist. It's just not.

iconic though. It created an entire genre, yeah. Yeah, but that's not what people think of, exactly. Warhol. It has impacts. That's what the criteria gets. But like again, if you're going to name five games on PlayStation 3, like that's one of the most influential and important games, I wouldn't

argue it at all. What the fuck does iconic mean? So I mean, here's the thing though. Like, I feel like Cheers in the room. And I do think Cheers in the Room for Demon Souls. I think that it would get a shit ton of cheers. probably more so than...

Absolutely. Right. Like, look at... Even cheers to the room subjective. I'm just saying that in that quick instant what usually I would say

the marketing and your you know, your favorites win versus like... Heavy rain. Yeah, like this game... I just don't think that would measure compared to this other stuff. No, I wouldn't put...

Even like impact wise, like what was influenced besides David Cage's own games? Heavy rain was the first one to really start that. I think of the, hey, let's make a game that's just about talking

and choice and shit on place. station in terms of a console thing, right? I feel like that was a real big break, though. I think that definitely influenced the direction of Telltale, which then went a completely different direction off of being like the more hardcore adventure game to suddenly being like, oh, cool. People don't need to figure out how to put your phone in the light socket to make

bear go, ha-ha, you know what I mean? I can see the argument. No, I didn't put it in there. I didn't do it. Yeah, like same with Journey. Like, Journey. Oh. Many people's game of the year, but.

No, Journey. Yeah, Journey, definitely. Yeah, yeah. I won't know my 5, I don't think. Ratch and Clank are cracking time. Burnout Paragon. I'm just list things up. I feel like I love those games, but those are sequels.

It's such a third-party console, man. It's crazy. Wait, hold on. We're really coming to this place where it's like, oh, shit, like, there's not that much iconic things. Red Dead is, but you're like, well, I'd play it on Xbox, though. What is those were sequels mean? Huh? What is those were sequels?

Like, a lot of things they chose for sequels. I don't think they were as, like, big as what Ratch and Clank were on the PS2. You know, like, they're still, like, the crowd that love them. Yeah, exactly. As opposed to, like, the peak of iconicness. Yeah, I think MGS4 would win over Ratchet, you know. Yeah, no, for sure. MGS4 is regardless of what you think about.

It is iconic to the PS3. I mean, it feels like MGS4, the Last of Us, uncharted to GTA 5. To me, I don't. I would put four over five. I wouldn't put either of them on there. Because, again, I feel like they are the example of how this generation kind of lost that, oh, I associate this game with that. Yeah, I think you get our GTA 5.

I might argue Final Fantasy 13 actually. It is definitely the most triple A. It was on X, well, a lot of these games are on Xbox 2. Yeah, but I wouldn't associate 13 with PSC. Because it was that first war, like, shot in the war of oh shit, PS3 is losing the exclusive,

but PS3 version is probably still going to be better, so everyone's like pouring over individual pixel shots. But I mean, and I would almost argue that you would associate Final Fantasy 13 with Xbox more because it was the first one on it. When you think of Final Fantasy 13 and when you think about what made it iconic, it's the fact that it was the first one on Xbox.

Not the quality of the game. I disagree, but also the argument in general, like the fundamental argument of it's iconic to PS3. It's probably not as iconic as the other ones we're talking about. So I don't know that I'm going to fight that hard for it. So the list we have right now. Uncharity. Kill zone two?

Iconic for sure. Good way or bad way. And in great multiplayer. Yeah, it was. It was not coming. Did it end up being called Killzone 2 or was it called Killzone 3? That was Killzone 2. There is a Killzone 3.

Okay. In addition to Killzone 2, there was Killzone 3. I'm trying to think. Then Killson Shadowfall. Because I remember they were like the PSP game is Killzone 2. And then Killzone 3 is the PS3 game. No, no, no, no, no. That's not right.

Okay. Maybe. Killzone numbered ones are console. It might have been their own weird thing of like, oh yeah, we're totally against Halo 3 because our game also says 3. But maybe it's... Killedone mercenary was the Vita one. Yes. currently the list is

Uncharted 2 The Last of Us Little Big Planet Demon Souls Heavy Rain, Journey Metal Gear Solid 4 Kill Zone 2 Infamous

We have nine games We need to cut four of those I'd cut infamous It's a great game I completely agree I'd cut heavy rain Also cut every rain I agree

I think you need to bowl MGS 4 Yeah Is there been MDS in every one of these No As there should be Yeah Okay

I think I think PS4 is a very straightforward list. I think you drop Killson 2. Yeah. Really? It was a good. I wouldn't delete.

Because my thing about Killsode is like the character is iconic. The hell gasped? Yeah. Just the red-going eyes? The Jail guy? It's like that to me is more... More than infamous?

I don't know. I'll be what... Honestly, you could make probably a better... In terms of what we're talking about here, you can make a better argument for resistance than you could Killsone. The only thing I remember Killsone for

is being the lie game from E3, 2006. Killsone 2, 2006. I think it was a great first-person shooter, but it was never Halo and it was never whatever. It was something, everybody, including the PlayStation Corporation, and then the PlayStation consumers wanted to make a thing, and it never really was.

Which is why I think we're always talking about how great guerrilla was able to break out with Horizon Zero Dawn. At least now with resistance, insomnia gets it all the time. Are you doing another resistance? Do more resistance. Do more resistance. I'm not saying that you're on the list. I'm just saying that. Not to mention it was, Fall Man was a PS3 launch title, so a lot of people played Fallen. Yeah.

Demon Souls? Or Little Big Planet? I would personally go Demon Souls iconic again is what we're defining this loosely iconic Yeah a little big planet Like Little Big Planet had cart games

But Demon Souls like I'm with the planet man Little Big Planet like is sold in store Like the like you know Stack Boys are sold in stores and stuff Like that actually resonated outside of us They pushed it that hard I don't know that means it was like

Yeah it was a PlayStation first party I forget who was somebody Or exclusive I think it was either I can remember it was my cousin Or if it was a friend of Cones, but some teacher we knew talked about, like, the kids love him, the

sack boy. He's on bags, I don't know if they play the fucking game, but the people know. I'm kind of with you, Imran, but it took a while for the demon soul stuff to grow. Well, because they had to make more games. Yeah, and then Dark Souls came out on PlayStation 3, right? It came on PS3 and 316. See, I would say iconic-wise,

little big planet, influential-wise, demon-soul. Yeah. I mean, I agree with that. I actually think, What I was getting at is because of the way the cult following grew, so there's no way around, meaning it's hard to go back in time at the launch of Demon Souls. If you were to put launch-first launch, I don't think that Demon Souls would win.

But I'm actually agreeing with you to a point, which now that if you put those two in a room, I actually think Demon Souls would be quite out, because everybody, that's a Dark Souls fan, that they associate those memories with Dark Souls. Everyone's looking at like, what's Blue Point going to remake? They're saying Metal Gear Salah, they're saying, Symphony of the Night, they're saying Demon Souls.

Not a single fucking person I say Little Big Planet I don't think that's a good good idea I don't think that's an argument But it's in it I feel like Dark Souls is the The like iconic thing Demon Souls is like the

The influential thing that got there No you're right I think when you say Demon Souls Like there's probably even some Dark Souls fans That they were like Oh yeah I didn't play that one But I heard about it So tough call

So looking at this here then I mean a little Big Planet was everywhere You couldn't escape it So Uncharted 2, Last of Us, Little Big Planet, MGS4, Demon Souls, Journey. We just need to cut one. Demon Souls. I'd cut Journey over Demon Souls. I'm pretty in between on those two. Also, Journey's a PC game now.

I've cut Demon Souls. I think Journey was pretty iconic, so if I had to choose. Epic Game Store's Journey. Yeah, now. So this is the first actual vote, then we'll need five people for. Okay, Barrett, we're getting into this. All right, hold on. there we go

who votes that Journey should stay on the list we're pro journey okay then I've already lost this one I'm kind of bummed that demons didn't make it but hey it's

here's the thing it's a close six it was a slow vote not only are we all winners we're all losers with this a lot of things we all want we came in losers you can't win with now PSP Tim people right now are like you guys

I'm gonna make your job so easy with PS4. Go for it. God of War, Spider-Man, Blood-Born, Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted, Four. Boom. God of War, Spider-Man, Blood-Bor, Horizon Zero, Dawn, and what? Uncharted-four. And Uncharted-four. That's a good list.

God of War, Spider-Man, Uncharted-for, Blood-Born. Horizon. Yeah. It becomes a lot easier because, and this is what makes it so interesting. Now, as you see how Sony invested over the PS3 in their first-party studio plan. Death Stranding. Just what we're leading into with PS5, which is really interesting. But, like, you look at the...

difference. How easy that was. It's like, you know, with something that Nintendo has had for a long time as slow as they can be, but you're like, oh, Super Mario's 64, Occurian of Time, blah, blah, yeah. Dare it. And four. You didn't mention persona five? Five, yeah. If we're talking about iconic,

persona itself as a franchise, I would say is not nearly as iconic as those five games I just said. Hell no. Persona 5, one of my favorite games of all time, but we're separating. I would put it more iconic than Bloodbourne. Oh, hell no. Bloodbourne, is fucking huge.

Yeah, I'd put Bloodborn over persona. Yeah. I would say Persona as a franchise is more associated with PlayStation, more iconic for PlayStation? Oh, it totally is. Bloodbourne, which is...

But so is Final Fantasy, in general, you know, meaning. So I don't know that that are... I don't know, I associate with Nintendo, personally, but... I would definitely... I'm not a Souls guy. Like, I...

I fucked with BloodBorn for maybe 20 minutes, but I would say Bloodborn is way more iconic for the PS4 than Persona 5. Are we missing anything? I'm sure. Because those games definitely, That sounds like a solid list. It was very easy.

I was a fuck ton of games. Drive club. Destranding, do we want to count that? Just put on a list. I mean, absolutely. It's on the table. We've all played it. I mean, it's hard to say, though.

I think, I think by the, exactly. I think it's just too fresh to put it on the list and be like, yes or no in the long line. Actually, I think the easy. With the list. Norman Reed is iconic? Fuck yeah. Yeah, like, it's going to take a while before we realize if that's the impact is going to be. How many more?

Like, bloodbored times am I going to walk up a mountain? You know how many other games are working on my balance? I mean, well, having said that, though, Greg, like, looking at this list, if we were to, do you think persona 5 is on it? I mean, in the top five by the end of it? Yeah. Are you on the persona or Bloodborn train? Or both?

Just gut answer. I mean, I think they're both. And the problem is you have a great list of games. Yeah. But do you think, let me just jump to it. Uncharted 4 or Death Stranding. when all said and done what do you

I mean right now I would say let's just eliminate death stranding I think it's too too early and then it's not even out

it would pain me to say it right because then when we have to eliminate one more I mean I'm gonna throw in some more do we think that uncharted four is here that's where I'm at

that's what I'm at uncharted I love uncharted four obviously is a great finale of the series is a great sendoff for Nathan Drake I think of uncharted as a PS3 franchise

oh I disagree on that one as someone I think who fair point I've never been like PlayStation, you know, fanboy or anything. So your opinion doesn't count. No.

I have more objectivity towards what I'm saying. And like Uncharted 4, like totally. Like that was a game I'd been waiting for forever. Of course, of course. PS4 is one of the reasons I bought it. I knew that I would get it. Really to your point, Greg, because I knew about it as a PlayStation 3 series,

I'm like, can't wait for it on 4. And like, that's all I could think about till it was out. But for me, going back to the PS3, like Metal Gear Solid 4, which I freaking love, the reason I bought the PlayStation 3, it's only on the list to me because I think the PS3's list is so open. I think

PS3's list is like Metal Gear Solid 4 is I think the most associated with a console game I've ever seen. Were you on the internet when that game was like was a console war point? Those photoshops of a thousand Xbox 360 discs in the package Yeah. Like that said Metal Gear Solid

like that's the kind of thing that we're looking at. Fran I want to ask you, as Destiny Superfan number one. Sure. Do you Sony made the marketing deals for that game? do you associate it with a PS4 at all? No, I don't actually. Having played it exclusively on PS4 the whole time, I just wouldn't think about it as a PlayStation 4 game.

So what game? Destiny. Play Destiny. Oh, Destiny. And again, what I'd say about something, this is not our list of best games because if you go on PS3, you're going to go and put a tonic... Probably almost all third-party

games, like Boshawk, and who knows, on that list, you're not going to put Little Big Planet as the best in top fives. Don't tell me what I would. But last of us, you would. But you see what I'm saying. like that's what makes this list very different.

God of War, is there a question? No. No, absolutely. Spider-Man, is there a question? Absolutely not. No. Associated with that console so strongly. Horizon, is there a question?

Maybe. I don't know how much that, but I think it's huge. I think it earned its place. I don't know if there's necessarily four better games than it. Or for it. But again, it's like, I think it's in question.

Like, I would put on chart of four on there way before Horizon. Again, though, we're talking about iconic for the platform. Right. Like, not what we personally feel about the game. No, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, if you ask me, like, let's say, let's turn this around and say if it was an Nintendo thing. Would, just because of Zelda is out on the system, would it be the best, are fit for that?

And, like, no, there's some consoles where Zelda I don't associate it with. I don't necessarily associate Horizon with the PS4. This has nothing to do with the quality of the game. It's a fantastic game that looks amazing, but, like, I can think of other examples of games I associated with it, with the console. I get what you're saying, but I would argue. Is there any Nintendo console that came out? We're not doing Nintendo this one. I know, but I'm just using that you wouldn't put Zelda on the list.

That seems crazy to me. Now, what was that crappy Wii one they did? Skyward sword, which was a... Garbo. Let's fly this ostrich. 10 IGN. Fuck you, Rich George. We's a weird platform, but I still would absolutely...

I think that Horizon is on this list. I think A. Loe is a mascot or a face of PlayStation. I think she's definitely the face, well, on the Mount Rushmore of PlayStation 4 iconic things. I think it's iconic in the way that it was guerrilla coming back from Killzone, which that sounds weird but a franchise in a studio, so many people had looked over at that point. I think it was

crazy because I remember when we were reading articles about this, interviews where some PlayStation marketing person was like, oh yeah, we have so much plan for us and like the books and this, and it was like Jesus, slowdown is the game good because we'd seen so many people try to do that shared universe crap and fail. The fact that they actually delivered, they crushed it. It was awesome. People can't wait for

another one. It took Ashley Burch's career to another level, I think. And then She was already really a popular voice actress. Another level, though, I think, honestly. I'm not even, and I'm not being facetious. Like, don't me wrong. Yeah, she was great as Tiny Tina. She was great in Life is Strange.

I know her, I'm D. I think this is the one where I was like, holy shit. Like, here's a full-fledged AAA game that she's the lead in. Yeah, I didn't know her name until Horizon. And then I was like, oh, she did this other stuff, but I didn't hear that name until that. I buy that. Strong point.

I buy that. I mean, Horizon's huge. Absolutely. That was the game at that holiday season. I think then there's another one where. I don't know why you're waiting out. The game came out a month before Breath of the Wild. Like, a lot of the conversation was taken over by that point.

Yeah, but we're only talking about PlayStation, so it's in a capsule here. Okay, it doesn't matter. It really, it's irrelevant, given the criteria. It's like, I don't... Right, I'm just taking a exception to the game of that holiday season because holiday season was seven months later. It was a spring game. Oh, wait.

The conversation brings us to God of War Spider-Man Horizon being on. They're on. Leaves two spots left, uncharted for Blood-Born Persona 5. I would go, Blood-Born and Persona. five. I'd go uncharted four and bloodborn, 100%. I would agree our bloodborn and percent of five would be my choices. I don't bet you guys are hating on a charted four is a PS4

exclusive. Okay, I actually don't like a charted four if I want to get that out there. It's irrelevant, though. Yeah, but I mean like in terms of it's not even the biggest naughty dog game in the generation. Yeah, I just think you're adding things to the criteria. That's all. Meaning I thought Journey winning Game of the Year, I understood. I just thought it was way overhyped as a game of the year candidate versus what was out there. But I agree with it. it on this list. I just feel like your empirical

let's put it in a room and see what PlayStation fans cheer for thing. Kind of flawed. Of course it is, but you're like guessing what people would quickly like, if you go like Mario, Hollow Night, everyone's good like, hell yeah, Mario to Nintendo fans. The issue we're running into is that Nathan Drake and Uncharted have ascended through past a

past a generation, right? Where it's like you associate PlayStation with Nathan Drake. That's so weird. And I don't think it's for... I don't know. It's three to me. Well, yeah, like when... Here's the long and short of if I can have the four for one second. The winners here are Bloodborn and Persona 5. I think you take Uncharted

4 off the list because again when people argue about the best uncharted, it's rare that Uncharted 4 actually gets mentioned. It is an argument too undoubtedly and then like, oh, you want to fight for 3 Greg and I'm like, fuck off. That's the argument. I think like when I see Nathan Drake pop up in the commercial now for PlayStation just in general,

I see him and I don't go, oh, Uncharted 4 even though Grant DeNaguerre is a grappling hook. But I'm not like, oh, it's Uncharted 4, right? I'm like, oh, it's Nathan Drake. He's PlayStation. Of course he's going to be there. In the same way, I think you could drop Sackboy in that same ad that's going around right now and it wouldn't be like, are they announcing a new little big planet? It would be like, no, we understand that's what it is.

I think when people talk about Nathan Drake and Uncharted as an icon, they're thinking of Uncharted 2. There you go. That's a fair argument. God of War, Spider-N, Horizon, Bloodboring, Persona 5. Totally disagree. PlayStation 4 games. Well, I'm sorry, what are the iconic PC games, Fran?

It spans all of video game time, almost, Greg. That's how awesome PC is. That's right. Number munchers. One of them. Anyway, you can't go wrong with the list. Like, so everybody loses, everybody wins. I just, yeah, my only thing I wanted to say on that is, like,

you're like almost removing the possibility that Last of Us 2 could ever be on this list with that kind of commentary. No, I'm not at all. You're not. No. I feel like, anyway, it's weird to me. And also, I'd go back to our PS3 list and I'd be like, just remove little big plan and put uncharted 2 and 3 on it.

I might argue that uncharted 4 is not even the best uncharted game this generation. Yeah. What is that? Oh, Lost Likes. Yes. And the last thing I was it, this is actually. what illustrates why making topless is so difficult because

defining... Why making topless sounds like topless. Because defining criteria that the audience understands and that the people voting understand, it's so difficult. That's why Game of the Year is going to be fun. I rarely see it done well. We should also do Game of the Dec at the same time.

It's tough. I actually, I made a note to myself for a Game of the Decad and I was like, we should say that for next year when it's like the proper... Oh yeah, 2020 to 2010, you mean? Yeah. Well, I guess you can do it whatever you want. I mean, it's an extra year, but If I may. Just to get to something you said there. I don't think the criteria I laid out is going to disqualify Last of Us 2

from being a possibility of being a PlayStation 4's top game of all time or whatever. Because I think they're doing enough different there that actually feels a step forward. You figure we had the three Nathan Drake uncharted games on PS3 anchoring it in that landscape. Coming to PS4, it was more Nathan Drake, it was that it felt like a PlayStation 4 uncharted, which is what we all wanted, right? I really do feel granted it's just two hours of Last of Us, but I really do feel the fact that it was Joel's story in PS3 area. It'll be Ellie's story in PS4

in the way that gameplay stepped up, the way the graphics have stepped up, the way everything else, and, you know, world building mechanics and shit like that have stepped up. I feel like you're going to jump in and not be like, oh, cool, I'm playing a Last of Us that feels like a souped-up last. Yeah, and you've played it too.

But I get the point. I just, uh, yeah. I guess I'm very surprised. Yeah, I'm very surprised that on Chart 4 gets a lukewarm reception there, but. It's not lukewarm. It's not lukewarm. I love to Charter 4. I had a great time.

You know what I mean? I thought it was a great conclusion to it. That would have been one of the first games I mentioned on PS4. To the original question, that probably would have been the first thing I mentioned was on the In a better world until Donald would have been on this list. It would have been one of those three now I think about it. If I blurt it out, it would have been God of War actually had we done it the original exercise. First thing on PS4, best, the biggest God of War, boom, done.

Yeah. Drop the mic and leave. So those are our PlayStation list. Greg, what's your Vita list? Oh, yeah. Come on, persona for Golden. Spolonkey is way better. Way better.

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There's Nintendo games. You know what I'm talking about? There's Xbox. What? What, Barrett? I'm just a Nintendo? Fucking hell yeah. Oh, okay.

We should do the. actual generation because I really wanted to fucking yell out Arkham Asylum the entire PS3 one. We'll get, that's, we're building the list like Christiano, man. We're getting deep into 2020. GeoCorsi. Oh, that's too. That's too. That's too.

But yeah, it's going to be fun. It's going to be great. Until then. Love you.