Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - We Open Our 10-Year Video Game Capsule - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

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What's up everybody? Welcome to the kind of funny games cast for Tuesday. Caught myself. We're recording. We are going to something embargo that we can tell you about later. I think actually on our social media, we already should have up what we're doing, but now the details on what we're doing,

but we'll save it all for there. So it's actually Tuesday, May 13th when you see this, everybody. Hello, I, of course, and one of your host, Greg Miller, alongside Forbes 30 under 30, AKA the second best baby blues AKA the married one at Tim Getty Let's Tim host How you doing Greg?

I'm great Happy to be here You know This is day one back from PACs East Back from a long weekend with the fam Just trying to get out there And talk about some stuff Because I can't believe SGF is so close

We're in a crazy spot The switch is so close You've been in Boston for PACS east I was just in Los Angeles For the Tony Hark's first gator event For the last week So I haven't seen you in a very long time I haven't seen anybody. It's been crazy. So we're back here.

He saw Pete. Talk. Obviously, yeah, it's not our normal. It's a different, different group of people. But having to be at the table, talking about video games. It's nice, really happy to be back. I'm excited that you're back. But yeah, the, the conversations around SGF and the Switch 2 with everyone down

in L.A. It's like, oh man, fever pitch shit. Like, we are so close to like game changing. For me, life changing things. Having the Nintendo Switch 2 so close. A new Mario Kart, the first Mario card in 10 years? Like, oh, man. You say fever pitch

and you tossed in SGF. Do you feel there's a fever pitch for SGF Summer Game Fest itself? There's the, can't wait to hang out, can't wait to play stuff at play days, see what Jeff's got up his sleeve. But are you, were you hearing the rumblings? I was the biggest SGF of all time.

No, not at all. And yeah, I think that this year's SGF is, there's no reason to look forward to it more or less than any of the Summer Game Fest. Sure. the exception of that is the Switch 2. There's a new player on the courts. And I think that the potential for Switch 2 announcements is, I mean, it's inevitable, right?

We're going to get Switch 2 games to kind of fill out non-Nintendo ones to fill out the rest of the year. So I'm very excited about that. And in addition to that, like, I just, I'm excited for the industry. Like, I think that Xbox having a show, like Xbox is easily what I'm most excited for at this point. I don't expect we're going to get a Nintendo director around that time because it should be so fresh. Yeah. And maybe they'll have a Donkey Kong thing

or whatever. But I don't, I'm not expecting a big blowout. We just got that. And on the PlayStation side, like, who knows? Like, will there be a state of play around it? Probably. But the Xbox showcase, the last couple of years, has been incredibly banger after banger. I think last year's is potentially like one of the greatest showcases we've ever seen. And like the dominoes have been fallen. And a lot of those dominoes were shown at that showcase or maybe not for the first time,

but like we saw games like south of midnight again and got more information on that. And that was where we saw Expedition 33 for the first time. Crazy to think about now. Yeah, yeah. And here we're at now. And just now that the, we don't have any information about Xbox games on Switch 2. I think the Switch 2 launching and Xbox showcase happening at that time, very exciting for me. Like I want to see what that looks like because I think that Xbox.

is continuing to make really interesting moves that are, I don't want to say starting to pay off, but I feel like they're starting to crystallize in a way where I'm like, all right, cool, I see the vision or there's a vision coming together that was not the vision leading into this. The Domino's did not fall the way that they thought they were going to.

They thought they were going to happen. But I think they're falling in a very positive way, and I'm excited for the ride. So, yeah, I would say the fever pitch is just, I love game showcases, and I love when we're leading into one or a series of them in the case of SGF.

Yeah. That we, there are a lot of studios I want to hear from that we might hear from. There's a lot of like questions that I think we're going to get answered. We have most of the release dates

for some of the biggest games announced. We already know now when Metal Your Solid Delta is coming out. So it's not like we're waiting for the release date for that. But there are other games this year that I do think we're going to hear about that we've been waiting for. So I am excited. I'm excited about it as too. If you're excited about it, there's no better place to hang out than right here with Kind of Funny.

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Like it's not just a handful. And they usually come around each other. So it's like, it's not like we're getting these things. And all the Xbox here and the PlayStation here and the Nintendo here. Usually it's like Xbox and PlayStation launched together. And then it's another 10 years before we get that again. I remember the energy at IGN when all the PS4s came. Right.

And everyone was like getting them. Everyone's on Boscoe at the same time. Like that is like such a unique thing that I feel like the Switch one we didn't even have of having. I mean, here's the other thing. We, sorry. I'm rambling, but I'm about to make. solid point here. I love it. No one's mad. No one's mad. Kind of funny has not had a

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If so, then I want to claim your second one and I want to come with you to get that. I love it. Maybe bring a little Benny Boy. Let's do it. That sounds great. Let's have a party. Of course, we have a party. Like I said, all those things.

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2015, the 10-year anniversary of kind of funny. You mentioned it with the switch. You go back to that. That was 20s, 17, 17, 17, a different, we were in a different studio, the one above the comic shop, far fewer people here when this all happened.

A lot's changed since then. I think, you know, today, today as of recording, you know, we, of course had Jeff Grub on, Dan Reichert on, talking about Giant Bomb, going independent, and what a big moment it is, X, Y, and Z. I can't believe that this company is old enough, and you and I have been working together at it long enough that we can open up our own video game time capsule. It's kind of wild, isn't it? On May 13, 2015, that's right, 10 years to the day.

Where will gaming be in 10 to 15 years went up as kind of funny games cast, Episode 19, Part 3, starring a video viewer myself, Colin and Timothy hosting there in the chair. Kevin, of course, on the ones and twos, will Kevin make an appearance in a soundbite? Perhaps he will in a little bit. Wow. I produced this shit today. The episode starts easy enough for the part of the episode. because this is still topic by topic like the game over Gregory show was, which is kind of crazy.

You brought in a question from at Project Gartay, who said, what are your predictions and what will the video game industry be like in 10 to 15 years? To which you, Tim Getty, said, quote, that's a long-ass time. That's a long-ass time. And now you've lived it. We've lived it. And it was a long-ass time. So much has happened, good, bad, everything in between. Look at this picture or video right now.

20th anniversary PlayStation behind you we had freshly gotten that not too long before this and now we have the 30th anniversary PlayStation like that's there's just a lot of things

where time works the way it does and it's wild to be here right like this is I'm very excited to hear what we had to say then you haven't gone back and listen no no I have not so I don't know what we said

I'm sure that we were entirely off I'm sure something you'd be surprising how on we were even though not necessarily about the thing you thought you were exactly that's the thing It's like vibes and just generalities, sure.

But like the specifics, I'm sure we were totally off because 10 years ago was it very different time in video games in terms of even who the major players were and what we were talking about. We're talking about an era where, again, I don't know where we're going to this. I haven't even looked at the run of show for this. But like, PlayStation VR was looming. VR was the conversation we were leading into. You know what I mean? Like this was years before the cloud gaming boom even happened, right? This is before Stadia.

This is before, like we had remote play on PlayStation, but it was very different. So even just trying to think of, this is obviously a pre-game pass world where the game subscription service was very different. In fact, 2015, guess what, Greg? That was a pre-Nintendo Switch World, which means Nintendo was at an all-time low. Things were bad for you, boy. Oh, yeah, they were bad. And you get mad in this episode. Oh, I'm sure.

Not like you would nowadays where you tell us off. Yeah, Colin Doggy. Yeah, I'm sure you do. And you can see like, oh, fuck you guys. But you don't say that, which I appreciate it about it. There's a lot of different directions to go with this. You know, this is back when you hosted gamescast, so you very much throughout the questions,

me and Colin go back and forth, you come back and obviously peppering your own opinions here and there. But I was the first to jump on the grenade here of Project Garter, what are your predictions? And what will the video game industry be like in 10 to 15 years? My bullet points off the top of my head were prettier games for sure. I don't think that VR. will be a big thing.

And I mean, you know, I don't want to say nailed it, but you're right. Oh, no, I did. Yeah. VR isn't a big thing. Yeah. More than ever, the waters are running away from, they're receding from this. Yeah, I guess that's my thing is like, like, big thing is like, uh, what's that even fucking mean?

I feel like it's, it is not a big thing. It is not a big thing in the TM way, but like, I have direct quotes and I have clips I want to show this one was, I think worth it. But when I'm like a big thing, I think we actually go into a little bit of like, it's going to be around or whatever. is not. True. And with that overall,

yes, like here I'm just being a little devil's advocate just for the sake of conversation. But I would argue that the fact that

we even got a PlayStation VR2, sure, it wasn't a major success, which I think is pretty telling we got one. Yeah. Like,

that to me is like, hey, that was bigger than I would think that the Greg Mill in 2015 is implying. But also, I do think that

I'd give you the point here. Thank you. I want that point. This is where I think there's an interesting dual take from me. I said, and then I started asking a question,

I'm like, Are we to a unified console? This would always be the big thing. Consul's on their last legs. They're not going to make it, blah, blah, blah. And then I say this, has Steam won over? And is it now on TVs? And you're playing games that way,

indicating, of course, what I think would become much more ubiquitous with Xbox Game Pass, where they're at and all this stuff. And then I tossed out the question of, is it tablet and mobile-based? Which you can make some degree, it's not, but I lob it out there.

And I think what's interesting, let me finish before you go there. Because I lob it out, I think, very much in, And this is me in 2025 going back and listening to that. When I heard it, I thought I was saying, oh, well, like, Steam playing games on your TV, tablets and mobile, right? Again, Xbox Game Pass. However, I found it telling that when I said the, because it's like, are you playing games that way on your TV with Steam?

And then I go, is it all tablet and mobile base? Question mark. Colin immediately goes, no way. And I was like, oh, that's interesting that he didn't think it would be streaming. And then as you watched through the episode, no, it's very much Colin talking about tablet and mobile. based. So I think present 2025, Greg, was looping tablet and mobile into the TV conversation. I would do that too. When in fact, this was at the time 10 years ago a different conversation. It definitely is. And yeah, that's like you're so right about like the details, like the story being

there, but like the details are where it kind of splits. Because yes, there's the actual hardware side of it of tablets and mobile. And like, no, that is not where gaming is. It is there, though, in a very big way. And you can be a streaming or just actual dedicated hardware play a lot. a lot of games on many different mobile and tablet devices and many people do that. I think you take it a step further for the conversation though and you look at Steam Big Picture mode. That to me is a very mobile friendly console focused way to interact with video games on Steam games, computer games, on TV or on other mobile devices. At the end of the day, is a tablet based or whatever? Sure, not the number one way that the most people are playing the games that

is still consoles. However, the Steam Deck is a gaming tablet. It is closer to a tablet than it is to a laptop. And everything has merged and merged. So it's like, it's almost a silly distinction to make there

because it is running full operating systems. It's interesting you go that way with it, right? Later on in this episode, you present the question of, has Apple entered? Is Apple doing a console? And then from all of us, you know, are they doing a dedicated gaming device?

We all say, no, none of us think that's going to happen. My quote is, I think the time is come and gone for that in terms of where Apple was 10 years ago and what they were doing here. I do bring up, if they were going to do this, it would be your iPad or your iOS device, H-DMI into a TV, and you playing games that way, right? I think it's interesting, obviously. They've made such a big deal with the new phones, the new chip and the iPad, right? The ability to run death stranding, the ability to play Resident Evil.

You can play these games natively, and you can share them to your TV that way. I would have liked to believe, you know, times a funny thing and I'm not that tech guy. As much as I airplay right now from my phone, I would have imagined I could have done that 10 years ago, but I'm guessing I couldn't because you don't correct me on this. No, no, no, no, you wouldn't be able to airplay back then. I mean, but Google Chrome cast was a very new thing at that point. Like casting in general, that idea was so fresh and it worked surprisingly well. It was not perfect. It's way better today.

Still not perfect. Sure. I would personally, like on the grand scheme of things tech scale, I would put casting an air playing all that stuff as the 10 out of 10 strong success, it works. Sure. There are exceptions to that. There's exceptions to putting a disc in it playing on a CD player or like whatever. But like I think overall it is a tech that has matured enough to to count as a you should expect it to win instead of needing a backup.

Bringing the Apple into it in a different way. Like you brought up the Death Stranding and Resident Evil. And let me toss out my one thing off of this when I'm talking about the iOS or iPad, HD, my new TV, or whatever my quote is. and then kind of as a by-product, Apple's in the console space where they really aren't, but that what we're describing there is what I hope the NX is.

Because throughout this episode, we call the Switch the NX, because that's all we did. That was the rumor of it. It was the rumored name. There'd been rumors, maybe there'd be a way to take your games on the go. No, definitely not.

Really? No, no. The way we talk about it, it seemed like there was already rumors about it. Oh, really? Okay, maybe I'm wrong then. But I thought that that would have come way close. closer to that 2017 mark of like I don't my memory I wouldn't think that two plus years out from

the switch launching I guess two years uh we'd be talking about I feel like closer then you can give me all the points in the world Kevin if you want to put up clip number two all right this is coming off of a whole bunch of conversation throughout this we're talking about uh the power of the Wii you we get into dogging on the Wii you a lot blah blah blah blah I'm so sick of the whole like it does the power doesn't matter it does matter but that's the thing right now for what they're doing think about it, the power doesn't matter. Because, like, you're saying they're not known for powerful hardware, right? Which works out in the fact that every year, or every generation will say, PlayStation and

Xbox get meatier and beefier and do more and more. And they need, like, there's no way to put the Xbox one stuff guts into something I can take with me, right, and play the game somewhere else. If Nintendo's, like, going to do the whole thing, we're marching the beat of a drummer, like how the Wii didn't go to HD when the Wii came out. If they do something like that, then maybe there is that chance for parity where it doesn't have to be okay you're playing this Zelda RPG on your screen with your NX now you're leaving so Link gets into this thing and goes to a different dungeon you can only play dungeons on your

NX handheld without being connected to the device right if they boil it down to where it's a not a fucking not blowing your socks off but it's awesome games that can be on your TV can be on the go that'd be I hope that's not the case you might be right kind of there yeah yeah I mean okay so like that to me does imply that the rumors were there of having the conversation of it being a some kind of hybrid. There's a mention throughout of like some kind of hybrid. Which I mean, I think all of us for ever, we're like,

there's no fucking way. Like, it wasn't until I first actually took the switch off of the dock and put it back on and saw how seamless it was that it was like, oh my God, it's actually working like that. Real quick, going back to the Apple thing, because I just want to finish that conversation.

Where, yeah, they did not get into Apple with an Apple play or something like hardcore like that. They did continue to double down on the, the bigger ability to play games. but I think that's more of a tech showcase for how powerful the phone is as opposed to like a viable way that they're expecting people to play these games. But the rumors are now that there's going to be a new Apple TV coming out, the third iteration, I guess, of Apple TV coming later this year

and having those upgraded M-chips and what that could mean for having gameplay streaming apps on the Apple TV. Right now there aren't many of them. But if G-Force now, which is incredible, is on Apple TV, I think they're going to push that hard. Nvidia has its shield device that does the same thing currently, and those are competing products, but Apple, because of a lot of different factors, including the EULA stuff going on all the Fortnite and all that things, I think that we're about to see a very interesting future for

gaming using Apple devices that are in millions of people's homes already that are incredibly technologically advanced and able to run games, both streaming and potentially internally. but that's not this 10 years, right? We're still not quite there. Yeah, which is crazy, right? One of my other ones, when I was out of my questioning of the top of level, I go, the big change from right now is that online will work right out of the box. I think we'll figure out the social features that won't crash a game like Tetris.

You're talking specifically about Nintendo here, right? No, I'm talking in general at the very top level of what's going on. I'm hopping a bit around my own notes out here. That's like an introduction thing of make a hard prediction that I went through. I mean, that kind of goes back to what I was just saying about the casting where it's like, I'd say it did. Like, I'd say that online gaming does work. Oh, 100%. Compared to where we were here, where it was, you're trying to get all these cutting edge new things into games on a game by game basis.

But there was, I mean, like, imagine talking to these three about cross play, cross by. I know. You know what I mean? No, no. No way. Yeah. Absolutely. So yeah, I would say that like the online stuff did pan out that way.

Yeah, 100%. It worked. You asked us, Tim. will there be another PlayStation? We both say yes. Another Xbox. We both say yes. Although Colin goes out as far as to say, I think Xbox spins off for Microsoft soon. I don't think Microsoft wants Xbox anymore.

I think that's somewhat clear. I mean, interesting, like right to look at that to what it turned into. Earlier we were talking about the Domino's falling and how they're following the way that none of us could have expected. But I really think that what Colin was saying there is still true to this day. But I think that Xbox has fought back. I think that Xbox has really been like, No, we are worth it.

We're going to prove it to you. And I think that that is still being proven currently. But I think that there's a more coherent and believable path forward for them from a community standpoint and from a business standpoint. I think they still have a couple years left of figuring things out and getting all of their major acquisitions in line because it's impossible for a company to be able to manage Activision of Bethesda and all the Xbox things. and whatever else comes past that without a bunch of issues and we're seeing those issues. We're still living that.

And the moments of Xbox games coming to PlayStation, coming to Switch to, whatever, we're still not at that expectation point that every single game announced is going to be everywhere day one. I think we're very close to that.

But until we are, I do think that and until that strategy works and they're making all the freaking money, which they're getting to, yeah, Microsoft still has a weird relationship with Xbox and vice versa. Agreed. I think so much of this is reading the T leaves,

right? And it's evident by an issue. will there be another Nintendo and then there's a giant conversation that pretty much dominates the rest of the show of what is Nintendo anymore how close to Nintendo third party publishing are we this being this NX being their last gasp at being able to do this right and how do you cut away from innovation what is their legacy do they their games need to be the thing that drive forward not the hardware dot da da da da da and it is all so clearly a pre-switch world we're talking about absolutely to be here 10 years later and see

the numbers this thing's put up, the way that it is the hardware that has changed the game overall, right? Like, I want to get to Steam and Steam Deck, which we don't talk about specifically, but you'll see when we get there, right? But this is all spurred on by the success of the Nintendo Switch, which clearly, I would say none of us believe in, but you probably believe in me. Colin don't believe in it to it. No, I mean, here's the thing.

Like, I'll make no bones about it. Like, the Switch was not an expected hit. Like, I feel like it was looked at. I was like, okay, we'll see. I don't fucking believe it up until people were playing it on, playing Breath of the Wild on flights. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. And it was definitely that turning point. And obviously now revisionist, we can look back and see the success of the Switch. But to react to what Colin was saying there about Nintendo and it's, games not being as powerful and like all of them and never will be. Where we're at currently right now in 2025, weeks away from the Switch 2 launching, like, I haven't really had the space to fully go off and do this. And like, I want to like see some. things launch and I kind of get a bit more info before we like do a games cast about it or whatever fully.

But like I am so hopeful that the Switch 2 and its power level is going to be a awakening moment for so much of the industry that's like, hey, this is all that needs to be. We should stop chasing like going past that. And Nintendo's often kind of bend there. It's just they weren't fully there. I look at the Switch 1 in a game like Mario Odyssey and it's like, I'm not opinion this is all games need to be. Like we don't need to be going that crazy. I'm also a tech guy. I love the last of us. I want Last of Us 3 to be the most realistic looking thing ever. Like Death Stranding 2 looks absolutely insane.

But the budgets of those games are causing the state of the industry. Sustainable. Are they sustainable? And those games being in 4K 60, shit. You know, you're going to need a PS5 and it's going to have to fake it to be able to do it. Like Nintendo, Metroid Prime 4, 120 frames per second, 1080 on the portable device. Yeah. 4K60 on a TV.

It's like, yo, we're here. We can make this work. with the power levels we need. And again, at the bare minimum, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be more powerful things, but I think the game should be made at this level. And the artistry around it should back that up. And I can't believe we're here.

I can't believe I'm saying this about Nintendo right now, but I stand by it. And the Wii was not powerful enough. The Wii U debatably was powerful enough for what Nintendo was trying to do, and the switch definitely was for the time it was at. But for being a modern system, that is competing with the big boys. I think the Switch 2,

there's a lot of things holding it back, but I think that it's better positioned currently to just be a market leader. The idea of Nintendo going third party, what a fucking laugh at this point. That is never going to happen. We'll see, but more importantly, I want to talk more about that Wii U.

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and Colin is making valid points. The team being slightly mad as hilarious. I find it funny when these guys are mad at each other. I think I personally cross the line. Kevin, can we watch clip one? X and me he said NX, Nintendo Xbox? No, I'm sorry, clip one, clip one. This is clip later, I think, right?

Yeah, that's clip three. I need clip one. Thanks, Kevin. No problem. It sure is, my bad. I don't worry about it. No, I don't worry about it. I had them all lined out.

That's my bad. This thing sucks. You know? Except for the people that like it, in which case, they think it's awesome. Yeah, but you all drink the Kool-A. That's your fault. Yeah, I mean, like, like, every day. In 10 years, you'll look back

and be like, I can't fucking believe. I was saying that garbage pile that doesn't sink controllers for let's plays was so fucking good. And all that's just issues, but in 10 years, I'm still going to be looking back at the good games and the good experience. Yeah, you will. The games, not the console. Yeah, that's true, but like, still

like, when the games are made for the console and stuff, I tie it together. I don't. I mean, like, I think, like, the last thing. Oh, my God, it feels fucking good to be right. Fuck the we do you guys. suck. The Wii U suck. The games were fine. The games are good. I'm sorry. I'm not talking shit about the games.

The consoles suck. Okay, great. Congratulations. The console suck. No one likes the Wii U. the games got part of the Switch. We all love them on Switch. That's okay, good. I was right then. It's like the games and consoles are intrinsically connected and aligned. Like that's, no, the Wii you think people love on the Wii you, they love on the Switch because they're Switch games. And that's my point. Like, I was fucking right. The games on the Wii U were amazing. And time and time and time again, I was talking about the consoles, though. What the fuck does that mean?

The console versus the games? You can't do that. Taking away a console's library. You're not talking about the console experience then. The console itself, it's like, what the fuck? Like, so, okay, just talk about the consoles. When we talk about PlayStation 2, what are we talking about? A DVD player.

We're talking about the games you played on the PlayStation 2. Like, this is the most anti-Nintendo-ass argument. That's how the energy always was with this shit. Like, sure the freaking- He's always been like this. Remember the library joke? like exactly the vast library like hey here's the thing the wu i've said this a million times has such a better game library than the vita and here we are now with the switch like i don't give a shit

how you want to assign like console game whatever i'm not rocking for the wu uh for the as a console i'm rocking for the wu for the games on that console which is how i think back to generations the wu generation of nintendo had amazing games and i was fucking right because now they're selling of millions of copies on a re-release, getting critically acclaimed 9 out 10 here, 9 out 10 there, 8.5 here, 8.5 there. Boom, boom, boom. Not every single one.

Well, guess what? No consoles library has that. None ever. God, this is fucking validating. And I'm still getting the same shit now. Look, Wii U pro controller, a freaking abomination. You, Tom, you bitched about syncing it.

Who cares? Don't even want her to freaking use that stuff. You know? But like the dual shock three sucked ass too. But like we don't look at the plate, When we talked about PlayStation 3, we talked about them charted. Both of them did. Dual fact that it was fine. It was fine.

It was fine. It was fine. It wasn't good. Six Axis did suck, though. But when we talked about PlayStation 3, sure, we get to the point to talk about those things. But we lead with Tom on Metal Gear Solid 3. No.

Four. PlayStation 3. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Just help you. Yes. Yes. Yes. You were cooking the entire time.

No one's going to fault you for not sticking to landing. I don't want to. Honestly, this is so goddamn validate because talking about Nintendo forever. During that time, I was playing Mario Card 8 and Tropical Freeze and Mario 3D World and everyone's just like, oh man, the Nintendo Wii sucks. And it's just like, all right, y'all. We fucking are. Turned out had pretty good games. Turned out had some pretty good games there.

I did. And now I can play them with great controllers. Congratulations, Tim. Congratulations. I'm proud of you on that one. I thought you might like that. A little vindication. I do.

I really do. Then I thought this one was super fun. There's no clip for this one. But you asked basically about who else might, it would. anybody else enter the console market, right? And you specifically call out Amazon and Activision. That was the ones you wanted to know about. I said for Amazon, they for sure will.

They will for sure. Colin thought it might be imminent, but he was more hung up on the fact they were hiring, which of course turned out to be more for publishing slash developing games going out that way. But I was like, no, they're going to make their own thing. I thought it was going to go the Uya route of it exists and people don't really care.

And to some degree, you maybe could loop Luna in here. where it's like, we're doing Luna, but no, it's not rocking the boat. I mean, I would loop that in for sure. It was in a way that we weren't ready to understand with the cloud gaming stuff. But that was there. If we count Stadia as a console, Luna is too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Both Colin and I thought that nobody else would enter the console market from there and out,

which I don't know how you want to. I mean, Stadia did. Sure, sure. I was going to go with Steam, but like Steam deck, which is a PC, but it is a thing, blah. And more than anything, leads to more than anything leads to clip number three

which I think is an interesting conversation we're talking about Microsoft and Nintendo partnering and what would happen if Nintendo just

left and became a third-party publisher Kevin just texted me and he said NX Nintendo Xbox Oh if Kevin's right

everybody remember this episode now it's funny though you talk about two of the three failing I always thought it would be the three failing like I thought Steam had the right

idea and if I think Steam box could have been their first step towards putting everyone out of business, and it wasn't because they overcomplicated it. Well, they don't want to make hardware. Right? Exactly.

So here's 14 versions of a Steambox. I'm like, well, no, fuck, that's not what people wanted. I don't blame them. They need an easy solution. I'm just saying what could have happened. That could have been the unified platform. If you would have done it this time, put it in down, gotten people behind it, and then slowly built on it.

So that third generation is accessible and easy, and everyone can understand it. Yeah, I wonder. Yeah, Steam was. I think that's an interesting one of a conversation on what could, have been, but then also 10 years later, what will be? And I think it's extra fascinating to put ourselves in that time and place where to this day we bring up the steam machines, right? The steam boxes and all that stuff. That was happening right then. That was our last year at IGN, like covering that

stuff. Nine years ago, comment here, PC is the future past and present of gaming. Master Race. That was Django Fet nine years ago in the comments of that video. Zelda's champion nine years ago, PC will eventually be the unified council at some point. And now we sit here, we talk about Xbox Game Pass on PC. We talk about PlayStation bringing their games over to PC. And I think it's so interesting that I felt at the time

that they were out of the game because of how they handled Steambox, which was originally, conceptually, when it leaked or got rumored, was that Valve is going to make their own PC and it's going to be, you turn it on and you get to go play games and it isn't this. And then they put out a whole bunch of different skews and it was just, here's a bunch of people we've partnered with to make more PCs.

And now you jump 10 years here to where we are and is again, based solely on the fact that we argue throughout this thing of, if Nintendo needs to worry about iterating on hardware, don't worry about that iterate with games. The fact that we're talking about Steam in this way is because of the success of the NX, which becomes the Nintendo's which, which then leads to the Steam deck. I don't think it does. You don't think so? I don't think it's that. Like, real talk, like, the Steam deck is, I think, a bigger factor for this conversation in 10 years from now. Like, I think that the Steam deck is an incredibly important device and moments, and it's going to, over time, change gaming habits and the way that a big portion of gamers interact with their hobby. I think that the fact of the matter is Steam is more on the PC and Cloud side and the Steam.

and the Steam Library side and PCs becoming a lot more ubiquitous and easy to get a lot like you don't need an alienware top of the line dedicated PC you're buying to play games.

Any computer plays games. Even Macs have kind of made a lot of advancement there like laptops really really basic laptops can play most games via cloud services that can play any game. I think that the Steam deck is a very, very, very, minuscule part of that equation.

And that's going to change over time. The numbers are still there. We're talking about less than four million of these things in the wild. You add the Raj ally and the XYZ and all the other, the, you know, Lenovo's and all that stuff. I'm being incredibly and generous. We're talking about less than 10 million. The Wii at 13 million and we clown it the fuck out. Like that's not that big of a factor all things considered.

But you add on it being a way. to play Steam games in addition to PCs in addition to laptops like everything's a Steam box right? If everything's an Xbox everything's the Steam so I think that's where Steam kind of is the winner from that perspective and PC gaming has won out

because I think everything's kind of just become more PC at the bottom of it all. Interesting. Yeah I think you know I'm so skewed by my own personal preferences and what I see in the way my gaming habits have changed I think overnight's way too much because I've had the Steam deck for so long

but in the past year of using the Steam deck now having the ROG ally and being so addicted to it today like a telling, perhaps chilling moment in our lives here, kind of funny. That is true.

Where you walked in and you're like, hey, does your PlayStation have Expedition 33 on it? And I was like, I don't think so. I think I remember deleting it, but my Xbox should and I turned down my Xbox

at my desk and it did because I want to make sure I can game anywhere. So I have the Xbox Play Anywhere version of Expedition 33 on the Xbox and all my ROG allies so that I can take my save

back and forth. In the same way, I thought I was doing Outer Worlds but this conversation for a different time. And the same way, I have blueprints on there and all these things where it's like that ease of use, that ability to be linked up is more powerful to me than trophies are.

At least at this point my life. And trophies are like at this point, one of the final kind of factors on why you'd want to play on a, on for you PlayStation specific thing. Because even then I think another big enhancement for the PlayStation is the dual sense and what the unique opportunities that it brings.

And a lot of those things are now, you can plug your dual sense into a PC. So you could play these games on PC with a dual sense. You're getting kind of the best of everything except for the trophy support, which I do wonder if they're ever going to integrate in a cleaner way. And with PlayStation making such a big step into the PC side of things with literally porting their games, uncharted 10 years ago, we would have been like,

we would have laughed you out of the room if we're going to tell you that uncharted and last of us are on PC and God of War and Spider-Man. I mean, trophies already have. happening, right? So it's like, you know, you can get them on some games, right? Ghost was the first to do it, right? Correct me if I'm wrong. Comitur's not this. So I think eventually PlayStation has all that sort of that. But again, but for the third parties, that's what I'm saying. There are levels that we're getting to of like, I just don't know if we're ever like, even right now for as amazing as things are cross play, cross progression. Like it sucks that Tony Hawk 3 and 4 is coming out in a couple months and it's cross play and that's awesome. There's no chance it's going to be cross progression. Even though it's X, play anywhere or whatever. It's like, but I want to play that game on. I want the platinum for that. You know, and it's like such a silly, dumb little thing for me. But I am going to get that game on PlayStation because I want the platinum, even though I should probably get it on Xbox so I can play it on all of my devices.

Yeah, I understand. Yeah, it's interesting how I look down that line and it's like you bring up Tony Hawk 3 plus 4 and it's like, sure, you can toss the kid into the conversation how limited my free time is. but it's like, I don't see me get, I think you'll get, your next platinum will happen, your next platinum will happen before mine. Yeah, well, it'll be Tony Hawk. Huh? It'll be Tony Hawk.

Yeah. And that's the thing where it's just like, this year there's nothing, I mean, like, I guess Ghost, yeah, like Yote, I'd like, I'd like to platinum, but like, I'm a feeling I'll beat Ghost of Yote and I'll be out of the next review and the next thing and the whatever. And then I'll be on a trip and it's like,

well, I want to play what I want to play on the plane. I can't do that with Ghost, so I'll be playing with this. I know that this is a bit of a tangent, but just to kind of put a, and I do think that we have an embarrassment of riches right now when it comes to quality video games from small indies all the way up to the most AAA and an embarrassment of abilities and ways to play to suit your style and needs,

whether it is be the cloud on a remote play PS portal, the fact that advice even exists is crazy, whether it's Steam Deck, whether it's your laptop TVs and all of this and you have to make the choices of for each game what you want to do. I play at Expedition 33, majority on Steam Deck, otherwise on my TV via my beefy PC and that was an awesome experience.

But I don't think I'm going to complete all of the postgame stuff because I'm not getting trophies. And is that silly? Sure. But if this was on PlayStation, I'd be like pretty heavily considering if not actively pursuing that platinum. That's a personal thing for me. But I don't think I'm going to be alone in that of like certain things mean more to people about elements of these games. And I love that we're in a place where I get to make that choice as a consumer. of for Expedition,

it was more important for me to literally be able to take it on the go on the Steam deck. And I love that decision. You know what I mean? Like we're talking about like my game of the year right now. And I'm sure I didn't flatten it, but it doesn't matter. Like I was able to play this amazing game on the go and then play it in even higher settings at home. Like that flexibility is something going back to what we're talking about here.

For me, it's like that's the number one bullet point now where that bullet point, which wasn't even in 10 years ago. a thought, let alone now it trumps everything if I can just take it back and forth, right? It's back to doing this re-review of the Outer Worlds. Remember, of course, we're re-reviewing the Outer Worlds the Friday before the week of SGF so that you could, we can play it all month in May and then do that review and then be ready for the Outer Worlds to presentation at Xbox, right? But even though I was incorrect about it, it was the idea when I started, I'm going to start

New Outer World Save. I have it on PlayStation, but I was like, I'm going to go do Xbox because I thought, of course, I could do play anywhere. It's not a play anywhere title, but then it turns out I have the S and that travel screen, so I was all set. And so now it's at home where I'm either playing it on my giant TV or playing it with a remote play via the ROG, which I could do with PlayStation, but I didn't know the time, but yeah, yeah, yeah. But again, the idea of having that in Outer Worlds 2 is a no-brainer that that's going to be played on Xbox. Because I want to be able to get that everywhere. And again, I think even moving beyond that, beyond, you get into this conversation with me where it's like, I'm talking all the time now about, well, I'm playing it on the ROG with Xbox Play Anywhere, and that way I can, when I come home, home just turn on the Xbox and I'm ready to go in 4K or whatever, right?

We really are that thing of then, okay, cool, when do I just hook up the PC to the TV and forget about it? And then it's just, I'm playing it on Steam or Xbox or whatever, but it's not, Xbox isn't the solution. Play anywhere. It's just, I'm just playing my Steam games everywhere. I'm about to say something that people are going to be mad at me about. You?

I know. I'm mad at you. Absolutely. Crazy stuff. Have you heard of milk toast? We all say the same thing all the time. I stand by this as somebody that has the privilege and luxury of caring a lot about tech and having the most utmost

crazy experience playing video games and watching movies and all this stuff that matters so much to me and I am able to via sponsorships via my hard earned money via opportunities to get codes and consoles and stuff like combination of all these things I do have a home theater that I keep

up to date as much as I can and I'm invest in and I play games in a way that I have surround sound so I'm hearing and experiencing Dolby Atmos the way that these games are being mixed like There's just levels to this shit where it's like I don't just have a surround sound headset on it's a minute

It's like I am getting the developers You're their dream case Exactly and I know that that is like the slimmest percentage Of all this of gamers I have a beefy ass computer Beefy as hell It is not I don't have a 5090 I'm not that it's not the brand new cutting edge

This year but it's really really really really good I also have a PS5 Pro So I am the And I have a Xbox series X And I have a switch two preordered I have the ability and I have a Steam Deck OLED. I have the ability to do all,

and I have a PlayStation portal. Literally, it is like, he's got an embarrassment of literal riches here where I can play any game, any way that it could be played. So what choices am I making? And I find it very interesting of like when a game's coming up, like Doom, what am I going to play Doom on?

Expedition 33, what am I going to play that on? And South of Midnight, I've been really thinking about, like, what are my use cases and where would I go to different places when and why? and I've been making a concerted effort recently What's up? Tim, just be careful. Sometimes you make the choice

and you're like, this is the right choice and then suddenly it's the wrong choice and your version of the game is broken. Kevin's got really bad. A blueprints bug and he lost dozens upon dozens of hours. I can't even. But I've been trying to make the concerted effort of like what I just like you just said,

why don't I just hook my PC up to the TV, go full PC? Yeah. The Steam big picture modes there. Xbox play anywhere like all that stuff. this should be better and easier than ever and I'll have more options to tweak I understand the majority of them if I don't I have resources like Andy and Roger

God bless Andy. We can figure this all out and in my experience playing Expedition 33 it's like I love that I did that for the Steam next stuff I wish I played it on PlayStation otherwise I don't see myself switching over to the PC And that's why I don't either I like too many little issues I love my console because I turn my console on

and it plays the game and the best it can play it And Steam deck is the, all right, Andy, like, expedition where I handed it to him. Like, can you make this look as good as you can? He came back and handed to me and I was like, great. That's why I'm fine with that. And then I'm fine with a lesser experience in the handheld while I'm moving. And then, of course, when I come home, I want to play on the giant TV with the beautiful picture. But again, right now with that for me, turnkey, easy, easiest possible, lowest barrier of entry, it means Xbox.

Which is great. And I'm loving it. And it's crazy to be like super invested in Xbox all of a sudden. But it's a brave new world for me. Yeah. Again, very privileged place for me to be, but I do think that it provides a perspective that I, when all things are equal, and I can play it anywhere, where do I play it and why? And a big part of the why is, is it worth the hassles that come up? And for me, I still think I'm at a point. And I want to prove myself wrong. I want to push through this. But I'm still at a point that I prefer the console experience. Like, even if it's lesser than and all of that. Like, I just think that it's still presented in a way that, um, that. I would prefer to just get into the game and play. I want to bring in a few comments that we either need to take to task or pat on the back for being right on the goddamn money, all right?

Your first one comes from Otaku Crush, Crash, Otaku Crash. But they spelled Crash funny. I think in 10 to 15 years, this is from 10 years ago, with the rise of super fast Internet spreading more globally, gaming will be entirely online. This will allow devices to play games far far beyond their specifications by streaming from remote supercomputers.

This is what Squaranax is trying to do with Shinra. VR will fail, but normal gaming experiences will become more immersive. Mr. Otaku crushed it, right? This is exactly what is happening. Oh yeah, there you go. I wasn't even trying to play on the crush part. This is what happened.

And, you know, forever people are like, Tim, like you're a coastal elite, like you have good internet. What about the middle of America? and it's just like, well, the developers and stuff either don't give a fuck or it seems to be working out. Like, I get that for us, it's way better. Of course, yeah. We've been big cloud adopters and loving it

because we do have blazing fast internet. But I think that it is in a very real way. We see the numbers. We see the amount of different subscription services that have worked. So many didn't. Stadia did not work, right? We all know that.

But Stadia walked so that G-Force now can run so that Xbox, X-Cloud, all of that can run. Like they are running. They are very viable ways to play these games. I want to give a shout out to GForce Now Ultimate in particular. I don't know if you have experienced this yet, Greg. But like it's a pretty pricey subscription service. It's like $20 a month for GForce Now.

But it is just a cloud gaming thing. But you were running it on a essentially top of the line PC. Okay. And a lot of my time playing Expedition 33 was on my Steam deck via G-Force now. Oh, really? And whenever I had internet access, and even when I was at hotels and stuff,

and the internet wasn't perfect, I'm still getting, like, top-of-the-line-ass images from this game. The experience blew my mind. I can boot it up via my MacBook on my computer with my super ultra-wide monitor, and it was Expedition 33 running flawlessly. Wow.

And, yeah, you're making some concessions. There is still that, like, kind of, like, fuzzy barn door look just a little bit. Not everything is perfectly sharp. But I think that it is like more than worth it for how much frames per second you're gaining back and the resolution overall you're gaining back. I think an incredibly important thing to note for where we're at right now on May 12th, 2025 and where we're going to be May 12th, 2026th is the adoption of Starlink, which is the Elon back. So like obviously this is like not the way I'd want all this to happen.

Yeah. But that internet is an incredibly interesting development. of having these low orval satellites providing incredibly fast Wi-Fi everywhere. And as of two days ago, United flights are starting to adopt this. And like literally, Greg, two days ago, the first flights went off with it. And they're about to, over the course of this next year, get that on to every single United Flight. That's just where they're starting. I'm sure it's going to go to other flights.

Free Internet. You don't have to pay for this. Gate to gate. You don't need to wait until you get up to 10,000 feet or whatever. and the speeds are so insane, people are able to cloud stream games. Wow. On flights.

Think about the PlayStation portal on flights now. It's a game changer. And that's the type of thing of like, sure, is it going to work great out the game and all the stuff? It's like, I think we're at the point that, as I said earlier,

casting, it works. The idea of streaming a game on a plane is still, I'll believe it when I see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's check in a year from now. I think we're going to be incredibly surprised

at what Starlink's going to do for solving the issues of what about middle of America. Okay. Interesting. Extra Goddess 10 years ago left a comment. They throw out the VR idea, I'm sorry. They throw out the VR idea out the window right away, which is hilarious since every company is investing in that right now. Who's laughing now, Extra Goddess?

Who's laughing now? I like this one from Woj Josh. I think we might be seeing the first hints of games that use neural manipulation, to create whirls in 10 to 15 years. Wow. Right. That's kind of nuts that it's not entirely off, but it's a little darker than kind of expected there using the AI, right? And like AI based on neural technology to kind of simulate what they're,

what was talking about here. Yeah. I think he probably means word. You think that is that the neural manipulation you think this person's talking about? I think it's a little colonn A column. I'm sure they were just talking about like the neural implants and yeah and all that stuff. So like not not quite that. But I mean, we have seen a lot of different technologies that I would give them the point for on like think about that eye tracking technology that we've seen and all that stuff.

Like there's we have seen a lot of advancements in that and they're just implemented into gaming in different ways. And then the one I want to pull here is from DM 13 10 years ago wrote in and said in 10 years I think I've got I think I've given up on. I'm not a fan of where the industry has come, finding myself drawn to simpler times and hitting the retro scene. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I feel like everyone forever has always and will always fondly look back on how things used to be. But if you go back and literally can watch yourselves talk about how things used to be, some things, the shit we're bitching about is different, but we're bitching, you know? and I think that it's very funny

to look at where we're at now. The industry has never been in a worse place. It's also never been in a better place. It's like such a, it's not one to one. The things we're talking about and comparing. And I, you know, we don't need to go back to this. But the idea of the SWIT or the Wii U sucked, the Wii games were awesome.

What's that mean for the Wii? You know? And I feel like, yeah, the state of the industry and people being laid off and the consolidations and all this is absolutely fucking horrible. But amazing video games are coming. out every week on every level of scale. Like, it's, and then you can play them in more places than ever, like, in more ways than ever.

Yeah. Rough, man. I'm just giggling because you took this to such a serious place. DM 13 said, in 10 years, I think I'd given up on gaming. I'm not a fan of where the industry has come, finding myself drawn to simpler times and hitting the retro scene. I wanted to let you know that 10 years later, DM 13 has given up on modern gaming. DM13 Twitch streams and YouTube's and just does retro stuff.

No way. Their Twitch biorees streaming games from the 1980s through the 2010s. Before games were services and we played for fun. Come chat, we live memories, and discover forgotten gems. I appreciate your time and support. DM 13, you're a legend. That is absolutely incredible. The YouTube description is video games peaked with Xbox 360 and PS3.

Let's celebrate that. That's so fucking funny, man. All right, DM 13. I'm glad you're committed to your thing and you got a thing going on. I apologize if I'm being annoying about a lot of the points I'm making and connecting them and going in circles here. But I truly stand by the fact that there's something here. Them saying that games peaked in Xbox 360 and PS3. Clearly, that's not true in every single way possible.

But I do think it is true in terms of how far we need to push, sorry, where we need to kind of start the, oh, a game can be an all-time great in 2025 with. this level of technology. Sure. And I do think it's somewhere around there. If the last of us one can come out on PlayStation 3 and be remade 15 times in every generation, you can still go back to,

well, the game ran and was amazing and looked phenomenal and all of that stuff on the PlayStation 3. You look over to like where the switch is at, like all of that, that level of graphics, that level of, hey, here's our technical limitations, but can you make a banger? And the answer is yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

across so many different things. I think that there's a lot of just basic tech that has to be kept in mind like 4K, which is a standard of TVs at this point. So sure, you can't get that on certain consoles and whatever. But with where we're at now, with the Switch 2 entering the fray, with the Steam deck rising in popularity

and the ability to play Steam games in different ways, I think that the base level of game development is going to go back to a better place that makes me very hopeful that will see more expeditions, and 33s and we'll see more of these types of games that are scalable, but the baseline doesn't need to be pushing the PS5 to its absolute edge. You know what I mean?

No, 100%. I don't know if I'm making sense with this, but like... You totally are, and it makes sense to what you're talking about. And I like piggybacking off of this goofy question, not goofy, but you know, comment of like, what is good enough, right? What is good enough that this is where it is? And I think, you know, even for to tie it back to me in this episode from 10 years go starting it, right? The first thing I think,

prettier games for sure, right? Even then it was like, well, yeah, is there going to be a new, we, I forget how we phrased it, but it was, we have a conversation about like, they're not, what is, a new, what is there a new genre? Are the genre, you know what I mean? Like, what,

what can games do a matured platform, a mature, you know, diverse lineup of games? What does that look like? And it needs to be the ideas and the delivery method we're talking about really changing. And what's, It's so exciting about that. It's funny you say that. I remember this conversation to us.

I remember having it and us talking about like genres and like, yeah, that's the type of thing where if we're on that desk to come up with a new genre, we'd be millionaires. Like that is like such an insane thing. But we do look back at the last 10 years and like I think that those three guys would be very surprised at the genres that are the number one existing. Like the idea of a battle royale, you know? Sure. at that point maybe we were getting glimpses and hints of it somewhere,

but for how that genre or subgenre matured, right, the hero shooter. Like, yes, we might be talking about variations of something that already exists, but, you know, Mario was a 2D platformer. There was a lot of other 2D platformers that eventually turned into 3D platformers, but like they're not all the same. You know, there's like subgenres within to kind of like, kind of we joked, I mean, the time of us recording that video, I think was peak of what is an RPG?

RPG elements are just in everything. And I think that at a certain point, it's like, what is a shooter? Shooter elements are just in everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm blanking right now, but like there are, I think, a lot of new genres that did form.

I wouldn't even go as far as a genre, but even if we could go back in time, open that door and talk to them, like, if I could talk to myself then and be like, yo, you know how Bloodborn came out two months ago? That is going to, that is a vein that is going to be pumping out, hit after, hit after. It's going to win, in the next decade,

it's going to win game of the year. Some people argue it should win game of the year this year. Like, that is the thing, like, the obtuse, it's hard and it's punishing. People fucking are going to love that shit. I think about when Sam, this is such an old story, but I was, you know, running the PlayStation team freelance, at least, I forget, maybe Roper was still there, but either, whatever.

I remember when Sam Bishop filed his review for Demon Souls, Demon Souls and gave it a nine Or maybe a nine flat and maybe even higher And I remember like double taking when I got the copy I was like of this game we farmed out to freelance Is a nine like reading like what are you talking about? You know what I mean? Like the thing that nobody

Oh this seemed popular whatever Somebody go do it was like what is this? Yeah I mean and then rogue lights right? Sure There's just so many things where it's like okay Like they existed before 2015 But it's like not like this Not like where it is like a

A feature that if it's not like I don't know man it's like it's different the levels to the shit are just so damn different um but it's I'm incredibly impressed with the last 10 years of games and I think that uh an argument can be made that they they peaked before the this 10 years in terms of um what they need to be or whatever but I do think that the last 10 years in so many ways I'm like goddamn dude even if we're at the point like you it all goes back to what you first said games are gonna be prettier and they sure are like we look at PS5 in this generation and I know so many people are just like oh the PS4 was so much better than the PS5 whatever it's like I look at it I'm like I've loved so many PS5 experiences could I've also played them on PS4 yeah load times would it suck but that's just where we're at with this it's like what again just more flexibility on where and how you play the games and I love that I got to play God of War Ragnarok on my PS5 and it made my PS5 worth it to me yeah but it doesn't mean that PS5 has a

exclusive lineup. I think that the conversation about exclusives if we were to do this episode again now, that we would be talking about what exclusives look like on PlayStation and Nintendo and Xbox and Steam in 10 years. And we're already kind of at that point that it's already not the same. Well, it's funny you bring that up, Tim, because all this begs the question, where will video games be in 10 years? That's right. We are going to file another video game time capsule next week is a kind of funny game's cast. That way we can get everybody together. We can all come in here locked and loaded. You can think about it.

Of course, look for that on the schedule for next week. Probably, you understand SGF embargoes. There's a million things moving, but that's where I've penciled it in. I'm hopeful that that happens. But maybe it happens after SGF. Maybe not. We'll figure it out. It's coming.

Start thinking about what you think's going to happen. We'll get some questions out there maybe. Remember, you can always check out the kind of funny schedule for what's coming up. Joey Noel publishes it each and every Sunday, maybe Monday morning, on Patreon, but you can get it for free on YouTube, I believe, as well. over there as a post so don't worry about it. But Tim, congratulations, I'm making it 10 years. Thank you. Congratulations to you as well.

I mean, I'm filming that. I was like, there's no way. Like, you know, you do a question like that? You don't even think about your, I wrote down, you know, where it would you be in 10 years? And I put 2035 next to it. Yeah. To sit here and think about the fact that we'll probably be here in 10 years talking about where we're doing that. I'm sure we will. My 13-year-old son will be here to tell us what, you know what I mean?

Yeah, I honestly, I really do believe that. And I was given a thought to this recently. like how special it is for us that sure I was watching your um your packs east um panel panel with a with ben star um that as coming this week as a kind of funny podcast highly recommend everyone listen to it will be on the kind of funny podcast on thursday i think it's so special that you have all your i gen reviews that you can like go back to and look at it like clearly i read them and put you a place in time or whatever but the fact of the matter is from 10 years ago when i was till now and forever more, I'll be able to, at a later date, go back and watch a video of my thoughts

on Breath of the Wild for the first time, on Celeste for the first time. That's another one where it's like, that's my point, yeah. Where it's like, yeah, for this outer world's review, I'm excited to go back and listen to the games cast we did about Outer Worlds because I remember reviewing it when I was playing at home with,

I remember Lucy and Jen on the couch behind me while I was finishing it. So I'm excited to see what I thought because I don't, I mean, I remember, I know what I think of it now, but I don't remember what I talked about there. And then it's the same thing of the other, yesterday, right? I was talking to Jen about something Ben had said or done or whatever.

Oh, I pulled up. Jen mistakenly bought hot peppers for dinner, and so she thought it was a shish-shito. She did it. It was not. And so then I ate one in front of Ben because he was so excited to see me eat one. And it wasn't bad. So then I showed him the hot pepper gaming video.

And so many questions about this, why is dad in a bat suit? What's going? And it was that conversation. nipples hard. Exactly. It was a conversation of, man, like, you think about it, but now we're to the point where it's happening where it's like,

Ben can go look at video. I remember being obsessed with my parents' yearbooks. Yeah. To see them young. You try to understand that they had a life before me. And like, anytime Ben wants thousands of hours of nonsense to go fine. Love it. We'll find out, though.

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